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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: President Trump's attorneys live on AMERICA First
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So, I'm going to go ahead and get started.
If they can do this to me, they can do this to anyone.
These are bad people.
These are, in many cases, I believe, sick people.
When you look at our country, what's happening where millions and millions of people are flowing in from all parts of the world, not just South America, from Africa, from Asia, from the Middle East.
And they're coming in from jails and prisons, and they're coming in from mental institutions and insane asylums.
They're coming in from all over the world into our country.
And we have a president and a group of fascists that don't want to do anything about it.
Because they could right now, today, he could stop it.
But he's not.
They're destroying our country.
Our country is in very bad shape.
They're destroying our country, they are fascists, and if they can do that to me, they can do it to anyone.
President Trump early today from Trump Tower after yesterday's historic and outrageous decision.
We will be devoting all three hours to what this means for the fabric of the Republic for November 5th and beyond with very special guests.
Law Professor Emeritus from Harvard University, Alan Dershowitz, Alina Haber and the man you saw for five weeks standing like a pillar next to President Trump during those press conferences when he was gagged talking about the trial.
We are honored to have him on the show.
Todd Blanche, the President's Attorney.
Welcome to America First.
Thank you.
It's good to be here.
Thank you very much.
Before we get to the substance of our discussion, I have to say I salute you because I know what it means to be a man of the law and to brave having President Trump as your client, given what the establishment will do to you afterwards.
So thank you for taking this decision.
You don't have to thank me for that.
It's a pleasure.
It is an honor every day.
It's been an honor and a pleasure every day since I had this opportunity last April, so it's something that I will always be grateful for, for President Trump giving me this opportunity, so for sure.
Well, we saw you there every single day.
I saw you in the courtroom last week.
Please tell our millions of listeners across the country what happens now after yesterday's verdict.
It was great to see you last week, by the way.
There was a lot of supporters of President Trump that came to trial every day and it meant a lot to him and it meant a lot to all of us to have folks there that Just standing next to him inside that courtroom.
And what's next is the fight continues.
The judge scheduled a sentencing July 11th, just a couple days before the Republican National Convention, when President Trump will be officially nominated to be the Republican candidate for president in November.
And what we're going to do between now and then is we have a bunch of motions to file, asking the judge to set aside the verdict.
We have a sentencing And can you talk about what your impression is of yesterday's decision?
Under no circumstances should President Trump spend even one second in prison, and we're
going to fight tooth and nail to make sure that that doesn't happen.
And can you talk about what your impression is of yesterday's decision, the idea that
we had these peculiar instructions from the judge, the lack of a need for a 12-jury unanimity,
the lack of the instructions being read to them by you, or the legal aspects?
What do you think of the position that the jurors were in for the last 48 hours?
It's a great question and everybody you know out Mr. Dershowitz is going to talk about this sounds like a little bit I'm sure and this was a very confusing case whether you're whether you're an experienced Supreme Court litigator like like Alan Dershowitz or whether you're just a school teacher like like like like some of the jurors were and it was a confusing case because it should have never been brought and so you had a misdemeanor crime that became a felony because of the alleged involvement of another misdemeanor state crime, and the misdemeanor state crime that was the second crime, you had to find yet a third crime, and they didn't have to be unanimous on that crime.
So just me saying that out loud shows you how confusing this was to the jury, and you knew they were confused because the judge read it to them on Wednesday, and the first thing Thursday morning they said, read it to us again, we're confused.
And it's a very difficult system in New York because the jury instructions do not go back
to the jury while they deliberate.
They just have to hear them in open court.
And I don't know what role that had on the jurors' decisions, but it shows you how really
tough this case was.
And not just tough, but seemingly absurd in that the business filing for an expenditure occurred in the January after the election, and we're supposed to believe that an event that occurred after the election somehow was tampering with an election three months previously.
It seems to require a time machine, Todd.
A time machine and also the tampering is a misdemeanor conspiracy violation of state law.
So what does New York State have to do with a federal election?
And that's something we're going to be appealing, but it just flies in the face of what we all expect from our federal laws, which govern what happens in a federal election.
And you're right, you're right, that the crime actually, the supposed crime, occurred after the election, supposedly to influence the election.
We're talking to the Attorney for President Trump.
You saw him every day at the presser and standing next to the 45th, and God willing, if we do our part, the 47th President of the United States.
Todd, would you tell us what it's been like, what kind of mood the President is?
I find him, even as a man who worked for him in the White House, hard to credit how indefatigable he is, how he just never gives in.
Can you tell us what the mood is today in Trump Tower?
He lifted everybody up around him every day of that trial.
He was determined and he fought every single day right with us.
Like I said earlier, it was an honor to represent him, but even beyond that honor, it was great to work next to him the past six weeks.
yesterday, every day before that, he would come down the stairs at his apartment in Trump
Tower just ready to fight.
And he was engaged all day, every day.
And I stood there watching him.
And it becomes obvious to know why he was such a great president and why he will be
a great president again, because he's going to wake up very early in the morning and go
to bed after most of us are asleep.
And then he's doing that to help the country.
And that's what he did during this trial, too.
Well, it's great to see you there with all of our friends, with Alina, with Boris Epstein, every single day supporting the President.
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Todd, final question for you.
What is your message?
You're talking to voters across the nation, patriots, regular Americans.
What do you say to those who've lost faith in the judicial system?
Well, I say don't lose faith.
I don't think that this entire country needs to go down because one jurisdiction made a
horrible mistake.
And we're fighting, and we're going to fight every single day that we can.
But the judicial system in this country is supported by amazing men and women and law enforcement officers and core security officers and prosecutors and lawyers who do their job.
And just because we have a district attorney in New York who did not do his job doesn't mean that we should lose faith, and that's why we need We need to do everything we can to make November 5th the most important day.
The president said it yesterday, and it's true.
The verdict was not yesterday.
The verdict is November 5th.
And that's when we can fix whatever's wrong with our justice system.
And I think President Trump will.
He just stole my thunder.
I wanted to say that.
He's absolutely right, Todd Blanche, the President's Attorney, what the President said yesterday.
The verdict wasn't yesterday.
The verdict will be in the hands of the American people, and they will bring it on November 5th.
God bless you, Todd Blanche.
Say hello to the boss and the whole team that stands for truth and justice and the American way.
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Price Wines What is your reaction to the news that you've been
following? I'm sure you're going to be your reaction tonight.
Do you respect what the jurors have had to say in their verdict?
No, I don't, and I think it's part of the jury's fault, but it's really at the fault of Judge Marchand.
His jury instructions were ridiculous by many legal scholars who examined what he gave the jury, and they never saw anything like this.
You have a situation where... Congressman Byron Donald saying the jury instructions are unlike anything seen before.
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Thanks for having me.
Before we get to your strategic response to what we witnessed yesterday, could you speak specifically to that cut we had from the congressman about the jury and the jury instructions and how complicated this all was for them?
Well, this jury would have convicted no matter what, if there had been no evidence and no jury instructions, if they had just gone back to deliberate.
Once this jury was picked, Upper West Side Democratic voters who will do anything to prevent Trump from being elected president, the die was cast.
And yes, the instructions were convoluted and wrong and may very well provide the basis for a reversal.
But let's not fool ourselves.
Jesus, Muhammad, Moses and Abraham Lincoln could not have won this case.
There's no lawyer who could have won this case with this prosecutor, this judge, And this jury, it's important to have the law on your side.
It's important to have the facts on your side, but it's much more important to have a biased jury on your side.
This jury didn't listen, didn't take seriously the instructions.
They went in there with a disposition to conduct just the way the judge did and just the way the prosecutor did.
Let's remember, the previous prosecutor, Cy Vance, refused to bring this case.
Yes.
refused to bring this case.
The Justice Department refused to bring this case.
The Federal Election Commission refused to bring this case.
And Alvin Bragg initially refused to bring this case because everybody knew it wasn't the case.
You know, we all remember the statement that Lavrentiy Veria, the head of the KGB, said to Stalin, show me the man and I'll find you the crime.
This was worse because Bragg tried to find the crime.
He ran on a campaign to find crimes, but he couldn't find the crime.
So in the end, they had to make one up. Totally make a crime that doesn't exist.
Let's talk about the judge.
I was informed this morning I was on a Twitter space debate by a left-wing attorney out of New York that it's completely common To reverse the final statements to the jury and to have the prosecution go last.
However, she couldn't defend this idea, these instructions from Wan-Mu Chan, that the idea of unanimity from the 12 jurors wasn't necessary.
If four of them agreed on one charge and then another four agreed on another charge, he would take that as if it were unanimity.
Could you talk to those instructions?
Sure.
Well, first of all, as far as I know from the verdict sheet, we don't even know which alleged crimes the jury found.
One was more ridiculous than the other.
One was that he intended, Trump intended, when some bookkeeper went down a menu and listed it as a legal expense, he intended then to take it as a deduction two years or three years hence when he Took his returns.
The judge said, you don't have to believe that any crime was actually committed.
Well, you have to believe that in the recesses of his mind, he, when somebody else made the entry, the bookkeeping entry, he intended to commit some crime at some undesignated point in the future, including possibly tax evasion or including election fraud, even though he wouldn't have had to list So, one crime was more ridiculous than the other, and the judge said, you don't have to agree on the crimes, you don't have to find them beyond a reasonable doubt, you don't have to find that any of the crimes actually occurred.
This is just Alice in Wonderland injustice.
That's why any first-year law student should be able to win this appeal.
But I predict they won't win this appeal if it's taken initially to the appellate division, because the appellate division judges are going to be just as afraid as the jurors were or Judge Marchant was to have to come home and face friends on the Upper West Side of New York or the East Side of New York, where I live.
Who would point to them and say, my God, this is the man who allowed Donald Trump to become our next president.
You know, people don't talk to me.
They don't talk to my wife and my children.
They have totally canceled all of us because I had the chutzpah once to defend President Trump from an unconstitutional impeachment in front of the Senate.
No judge wants to have that happen to them.
And that includes judges from the appellate division.
So my suggestion to the lawyers is to try to skip the appellate division, try to go right up to the New York Court of Appeals, remind the Court of Appeals what they ruled in the Harvey Weinstein case, that you can't just start introducing evidence of things that are not criminal, like a sexual relation with Stormy Daniels, and then threaten to allow even more evidence to come in if he takes the witness stand.
This is a slam-dunk reversal under the Harvey Weinstein case.
But wouldn't the same things apply at that level that appeal to the appellate level?
You can skip—there is a provision in New York for allowing— No, no, but I mean that the ideas are being ostracized by fellow New Yorkers.
That would happen more in New York and Manhattan, where the appellate division sits, than it would in Albany.
Where the judges are from all over the state.
Got it.
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My understanding, and of course I'm just a lame man, is that the appeals process has to go step by step.
For example, you can't jump from, you know, first instance to Supreme Court.
So how in New York do they jump over the intermediate level and go to the supreme level of the state?
There is a provision for that in certain kinds of cases, but it's discretionary with the Court of Appeals.
But the Court of Appeals may well grant that because They so recently rendered the decision in the Harvey Weinstein case.
Remember the Harvey Weinstein case, the appellate division affirmed the conviction unanimously.
And then it was a four to three decision in the Court of Appeals.
What is the reputation of the Court of Appeals in New York?
Split.
Um, you know, there are partisans on it, and there are people who are less partisan, so he has a better shot.
The best shot, of course, is the United States Supreme Court, but that's also discretionary.
That's what I'm going to ask you about next.
Can you play cut 14, please, Eric? 14.
Obviously, this is totally unprecedented, and it's dangerous to our system.
I mean, we've all discussed this before, and y'all talk about it all the time.
This is diminishing the American people's faith in our system of justice itself.
And to maintain a republic, you have to have that.
People have to believe that justice is fair, that there's equal justice under law.
All right, I'm going to mention him, Eric, as I'm talking to the professor, so use that as B-roll.
I'm going to mention Speaker Johnson, and you can just play it as B-roll, okay?
14, okay?
And then show me 15 and 16.
So what I'm going to argue to you, which sounds crazy but I believe it to be true, if on November 5th Trump is elected, and who knows what's going to happen in this election, if that happens, and he is the president, he has a debt to Alvin Bragg. Alvin Bragg is a kingmaker. He made Trump
president by making his entire party coalesce behind him. These two men are bound in
history forever and Bragg, it's an unintended consequence, made Trump president. That's what I'm
going to argue. Now it may sound crazy and an unintended consequence. Do you plan to request
a prison sentence?
Donald Trump's multiple violations of the gag order that was in place to factor in the
cover festival. The judge scheduled a sentencing for July 11th.
We will speak in court in that time.
He also set a motion schedule.
We will speak in our court filings as we've done throughout this proceeding.
Okay, and then, which cut from the present did we play?
19 or 20?
We played 20.
20, okay.
So coming with 21.
And then pillow.
Play me 17.
17.
How can you defend a client if you don't know what you're defending him against?
I actually love that you asked that question.
The one thing I just learned was that... Oh, we did that.
We did that with Kangor, yeah.
With Kangor, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Good.
Thank you.
All right.
Okay, good.
20 seconds, professor.
Thank you.
I'm the leading candidate.
I'm leading Biden by a lot, and I'm leading the Republicans to the point where that's over.
So I'm the leading person for president and I'm under a gag order by a man that can't put two sentences together.
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Professor Alan Dershowitz, let's talk about the Supreme Court in a moment and your recommendations.
But first, can you give us What is the practice with gag orders and who are they usually meant to protect?
Well, they're meant to protect only the defendant.
There is no constitutional right that the state has or the prosecution has to a gag order.
Only the defendant has the right to a fair trial under the Constitution.
And yet it's been weaponized now by Judge Marchant turned against Donald Trump to protect his daughter, and to protect the members of his staff and to protect
witnesses.
There's already a statute on the books that makes it a crime to intimidate a witness.
And so there was no need for a gag order, but Judge Trot decided to have one,
and he's probably going to impose some punishments for violation of the gag order now that the trial is over.
You mentioned the daughter.
In my debate this morning with this liberal attorney out of New York, she said, there's nothing wrong with the judge's daughter working for the Democrats and raising money off the trial.
Could you speak to what the regulations are with regards to six degrees of separation and people profiting from a case?
Yeah, there is nothing wrong with a daughter making money, but there is something wrong with the judge presiding over the case if his daughter is making money.
The standard is the appearance of justice, and the very large percentage of Americans worry and wonder legitimately whether a judge who loves his daughter and who knows that his daughter would profit enormously from a conviction and from rulings that were against Trump should be sitting and presiding over that case.
I mean, we saw with our own eyes, we saw Michael Cohen lie to the jury when he said he doesn't stand to profit at all from a conviction.
He was dancing a jig yesterday when this conviction came down, because he may very well get his TV show, which will make money for him.
He may sell more pictures of Donald Trump in handcuffs.
He's made a whole career and profit And I think a similar thing is probably true of the judge's daughter and the appearance of justice.
And there's something else.
Apparently, this judge was picked for four cases in a row involving Trump defendants.
And they're supposed to be picked randomly from the wheel.
And that doesn't seem likely.
And I would hope that the congressional hearings would be held as to how Marchant got picked.
Remember that we live under a system of checks and balances.
Usually the jury is a good check on abuses by prosecutors and judges, but not in this case, because the jury was of the same mind as the judge and the prosecutor.
So we need a check, and the check now comes from the House of Representatives, which is the only institution of government today which is controlled by Republicans.
And they should be holding hearings as to how this judge got selected and the relationship between the judge and the daughter.
These are all very appropriate things for Congress to be inquiring into.
We have less, literally less than 60 seconds left.
The Speaker of the House was on cable news this morning saying the Supreme Court has to get engaged.
Doesn't all the appeals levels in New York, don't they have to be exhausted before SCOTUS can get engaged?
30 seconds.
Yes, but they can move to the Court of Appeals, ask for an expedited appeal, and try to get an appeal within a month, and then take the case to the Supreme Court on an emergency basis on the theory that this is election interference, that the scheduling was designed to have an impact on the election, and therefore the defendant has the right to have himself vindicated by an appellate court before the election.
Thank you, Professor, for taking time.
I'm sure your counsel is sought day in and day out now.
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So we're going to be appealing this scam.
We're going to be appealing it on many different things.
He wouldn't allow us to have witnesses.
He wouldn't allow us to talk.
He wouldn't allow us to do anything.
The judge was a tyrant.
And you got to see that with Bob Costello, a fine man.
I've never seen anything like it.
And neither has anybody that was in that courthouse where he demanded that the courthouse be cleared.
Now, the good news is most of the people in the courthouse were the media.
And anybody that was in the media of your affair, you'll say, wow, that was anger.
That was crazed.
He was crazed.
He was crazed.
Well, let's talk about that man.
That was the president this morning from Trump Tower.
I just want to say thank you to everybody at Newsmax, at Salem, to Jeff, my whole team, the president's team for making today possible.
From Todd Blanche to Alan Dershowitz, now we have the redoubtable, the unstoppable Alina Haber.
Welcome back to America First, Alina.
Thank you.
Thank you for having me.
How are you?
Uh, I don't know.
I go, I'm kind of schizophrenic today.
I go between, um, I've arrived in a police state like the one my father escaped from, uh, in 1956 to saying, uh, the other side are so fascistic that they don't realize that they've just got my former boss reelected.
So I'm vacillating between those, those two feelings today.
You are the perfect person to ask with regards to what the president just said about the judge.
I was in the courtroom last week.
I never thought I'd see the like of it.
From the jurors, the way the defense team were treated by the judge.
What can you say about what you witnessed and what do you and the president do next?
Well, what we do next is the easiest question to answer.
We file an appeal immediately, and the team is working very quickly on that.
There is so much reversible error in this trial that's come out that it will be quite simple, frankly.
The first reversible and most obvious error was the fact that we should not have been in this venue, we should not have been in front of this judge.
This judge, and this is one thing that unfortunately I cannot speak about because of another reversible error, which is our First Amendment unconstitutional gag order.
The judge should not have been sitting on this for numerous reasons, which your listeners can look up.
But his political motivations were very evident in every decision he made, every objection that he didn't sustain for us, and every ruling that he made, evidentiary rulings that he made prior to us coming into that courtroom.
And I think that's important for the American people to understand.
We might have had a jury with alternates, but that jury was only given selected information.
And when you give them selected, censored information, including his inability to show
that there was no tax crime, his inability to call witnesses, to call experts that actually
understand campaign finance rules, when you don't show the jury all the facts, which is
frankly the same thing that has happened to me now time and time again in New York representing
President Trump, you're not going to get a fair shake.
And when you have jury charges that give you a menu of options as to the underlying crime, and say, you could have intent, but you could have intent for any of these four options, and then you're good.
I've never heard of anything like that.
So the question kind of is answered, one and the same.
We'll win on appeal.
I have zero question about that, and we'll do it quickly.
So, I was only there for one day, but what I witnessed beggared belief.
So, please explain to me how these two things happened.
When I was there in the morning last Tuesday, I was told by the defense team there was a 30-page federal court document from the SDNY, the Southern District, which listed all of Michael Cohen's crimes, not just perjury.
which you wanted to submit as evidence which was suppressed.
How did that happen? Under what justification?
And then the former chairman of the FEC, no better expert to say why no crime was committed
with regards to the election by President Trump or his team.
He was disallowed by Juan Merchant.
I have to ask you, I'm sorry it's a naive question.
On what basis was that evidence about the lack of credibility of Michael Cohen suppressed?
And under what basis was the best expert with this available not allowed to plead his case in front of the jury?
As for the SDNY charges, I've used them.
I used them in the Attorney General case.
I was not part of why that was suppressed here.
I'm not sure, to be honest.
Credibility is obviously an incredibly important thing.
I think the judge believed that the jury charges would have solved that, which they frankly did the reverse.
As to the expert, I was in court that day and what his basis was was that the expert was going to opine on a legal conclusion and the only person that could give a legal conclusion to the jury was the judge himself.
Again, another example of how you have a judge that should have recused didn't.
And now we have a jury being tainted by his philosophies and what he lets them know.
Having a finance A campaign finance expert, a person who literally ran that division, come speak to the jury would only educate them further, but he put it under the guise of, we can't have a legal conclusion by somebody, so you're not allowed it.
The fact is very simple, Sebastian.
You're going to try and understand rationally how these things happened, and there is no rationalization because it is all political.
Professor Dershowitz, who is a New Yorker and is a Democrat, just said a few moments ago in front of our millions of listeners that the appellate level in New York will be just as bad as the Merchant Court.
Yeah, we'll see.
They're okay.
I mean, yesterday I got a great decision out of the First Department.
I had a hostile bench, obviously, jabbing me with a lot of questions last week when I appeared on The First Department, and we won unanimously.
So, you know, I think that they do have some tendencies to be fair when they need to be, but we'll see what they do here.
Obviously, we have the Supreme Court decision, which is incredibly important coming up, but, you know, we'll sit tight.
Like I always tell the American people, this is a process.
We have to be patient.
We have to wait through the process, but we will be okay in the end, and most importantly, in November, we'll be okay.
Well, as the president said, November 5th is when the real verdict is brought by the American people.
Alina, we've got a minute left.
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Talk to us for a moment about the president and how he's doing.
He was on great form when I saw him last week in the court.
Tell us about the last 24 hours.
It's honestly been great.
It was a wave of shock.
You're breaking up.
We're breaking up.
So how's he doing?
He's doing great.
He's honestly doing great.
He's resilient.
He always is.
And if anything, it just motivates him and motivates everybody that wants to fix the country.
Yeah, as he said on Tuesday when we were there in the corridor in front of the cameras, I'm not doing this for myself or my family.
I'm doing it for 300 million Americans, and we know that's exactly why you're doing it.
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Two minutes.
Ummm...
Play me nine.
Nine.
Here's what I fear about the coming months.
If you think about the Trump presidency, he undermined the American media, calling the news fake, calling real news fake.
What he's doing now is calling real law fake, right?
He's calling it a sham, calling the system rigged.
In the same way he undermined the media, he's undermining the rule of law and the justice system.
and that's going to have very unpredictable consequences in the months and years to come.
it.
Eight.
Fifteen.
People are using politics?
No, no, no.
Oh, sorry.
Eight, fifteen, and twenty.
Thirty seconds.
Uh, come in with twelve.
Come in with twelve.
Truth from the President's Attorney at Alena Humber.
It's un-American to use the judicial.
Well, if the case won't stand up on appeal, why was it ever brought in the first place?
Why was a judge, whose family has gotten rich off of Democratic Party fundraising, allowed to preside over this thing in the first place?
And Republicans, Jesse, we cannot just sit on our hands.
We can't just complain about it, as important as all of that stuff is.
We have to be willing to fight back.
We need to be subpoenaing Judge Marchand and his daughter.
We need to understand what are the connections between big Democratic money and this sham prosecution. Did George Soros ever talk to Alvin
Bragg about using his power to go after Donald Trump? We need to
get to the bottom of it and when we find wrongdoing
we need to be willing to actually punish it. That is the only, again, the only
language that I think these people are going to understand.
Vance being considered for vice president for a member of the Trump cabinet at least, saying that we need to do what?
Subpoena Alvin Bragg.
There are reports that Jim Jordan is going to subpoena or has subpoenaed... Sorry, that was Juan Mochan he was talking about.
Jordan is going to subpoena or planning to subpoena Alvin Bragg, the prosecutor.
Jeff, we're five months from an election.
I like J.D., but at this point, it's pointless, isn't it?
I like the fact that he mentioned Soros that no one will actually mention anymore.
Right.
What is the connection?
Is there some hidden connection?
Well, it's not hidden.
We know that Soros' foundation funded Alvin Bragg.
Maybe he had something to do with Merchant and his daughter.
But yeah, good for him for saying that.
But right now, in the last five months, do we expect anything from Congress?
No.
I mean, Jim might find some more information out for us to get him.
He's good at getting the information.
Oh, the information.
Yeah.
We might get some more information.
In the meantime, what is Biden doing?
Again, we might need a translator, maybe a four-year-old that mumbles can help us.
A very short clip earlier today regarding the situation in the Middle East.
Cut five.
Hamas no longer is capable.
Carrying out another October 7th is one of the Israelis' main objective in this war.
What was the end of that, Jeff?
Respond Israelis responsible for?
What was that?
He was trying to say, I think, one of Israelis' main objective in this war.
I gotta double check that.
Can you play that again?
Hamas no longer is capable.
Carrying out another October 7th is one of the Israelis' main objective in this war.
Again, not good to be speechless on radio.
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People are using politics in the legal courtroom.
It cannot happen anymore.
I have seen it.
I have been in court since October.
Trial after trial after trial for 15 years.
I have been practicing law.
I have never seen anything like this in my life.
And that judge intentionally wouldn't even allow in pretrial proceedings that the court will not report.
They would not allow us to bring up that President Trump didn't even take deductions.
He didn't do anything wrong.
His CFO, him, the Trump organization, the family, nothing.
But that evidence was kept away from the jury and it is intentional.
This is not America.
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I was listening to a friend's radio show this morning, and a law professor from Colombia, of all places, not the college, but the country, called in, a Canadian, and he said, you know, we have to understand what happened yesterday.
It's not just one guy.
It's not just one election.
What was broken yesterday was the compact between the state and the citizen.
And millions of Americans will have lost faith in the judicial system that has power over them.
And this very wise professor said, I don't know how you fix that.
Are we in that enormity scale of challenge?
And if so, raise a fist.
What do you think we can do about it?
Yeah, this has been a long time coming.
I did a video many, many moons ago that was germane to this topic.
I stole the title shamelessly from the great Michael Savage.
It was called The Stench from the Bench.
And it kind of presaged a lot of this that was happening.
And look, if people like me were noticing it, then there's other people in the public who were noticing it.
But I mean, just looking at this, I don't know about you, but I sleep the sleep of the seraphim, knowing the very fate of our republic rests in the hands of the same legal system that acquitted O.J.
Simpson of double homicide, then threw the book at him for stealing back his own property.
Right?
I don't know about you, but hey, look, Donald Trump now has the chance to be the first president to ever be elected in a courtroom, so that's fantastic.
Well, this is exactly where I wanted to jump off from.
So first I want you to tell me whether you agree.
I just played as B-Roll in the background.
He's another sagacious Canadian, Mr. Wonderful Kevin O'Leary, who likes to appear on Fox a lot lately.
And Kevin O'Leary said, literally, in the last few hours, he said, Alvin Bragg, we should congratulate Alvin Bragg on being America's new kingmaker, because he literally got President Trump re-elected yesterday.
Now, if that is the case, I want to take that analysis to the next level.
Okay, God willing, He stays alive, he's not incarcerated, and, you know, the good guys win, and President Trump is sworn in on January the 20th next year.
However, and this is where I want your analysis, I don't think that fixes anything.
I mean, even if we clear out the deep staters, DOJ and CIA, if you've got, I don't know, 60, 70 million people who say, the justice system, we ain't got one, what do we do about that?
It's a structural thing.
I mean, you can start with the Supreme Court.
I've said this before, but in that video, I mentioned there were ways, like, so for example, we have an impeachment process for Supreme Court justices.
Here's how well it's working.
It's happened once in the entire history of the country.
We've had Supreme Court justices who have been on the take.
We've had Supreme Court justices who have openly admitted to being activists and subverting the Constitution.
And somehow the only guy to ever get impeached was somebody who basically pissed off absolutely every individual in Washington, D.C.
That's how he got impeached.
And he didn't even wind up leaving office, right?
So you could probably—and the problem, of course, is Congress has to initiate those proceedings, and they don't want to shoulder the political burden of that.
So there is one way you could possibly get around that.
Maybe you could make an amendment so that the president couldn't necessarily initiate those proceedings, but he could recommend them.
And then the president could be the one to absorb that political hit, because the president's the one who gets dumped on from dawn to dusk anyways, right?
Right.
And then that gets handed off to the Senate, and then they decide if the person's going to be impeached.
Maybe that would expedite it.
That's just one possible solution.
But the current mechanism is not working in terms of judicial review at all on any level of courts, by the way.
We had Louie Gohmert on the show a few months ago, and I love Louie, and he's a former judge.
And he said, well, you do realize Congress can even do that with regular judges.
Judges are appointed to act in good faith.
And he says if they're not acting in good faith, Congress can actually do something about that.
What about that idea?
Well, that's the problem.
I think we've all seen in the aftermath, you know, Republicans immediately doing their standard rigmarole of, okay, boys, brandish your ballpoint pens.
It's time to write all those sternly worded letters, you know what I mean?
Like, I just saw Jim Jordan wants to convene the old Trey Gowdy hearings, the fruitless hearings that go nowhere.
We respectfully request your attendance, Mr. Bragg, he says.
The FBI went from stunned to kill when they were raiding Mar-a-Lago.
It just emerged this last week.
Meanwhile, we're mailing them valentines.
You know what I mean?
This is the problem, really, is our body politic is poisoned.
And so the mechanisms wouldn't be functioning anyways, because the people in office wouldn't be inclined to use them.
I'm not sure he answered the question.
I might try one more time, because we've got him on here for another 20 minutes.
Okay, sorry!
I may have gone off on a tangent there.
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You did diagnostics.
You didn't do curative responses, but I'm going to hold you to it.
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It's a convicted, convicted felon.
Thank you.
you Then 12 he said.
Well if the case won't stand up on appeal.
I didn't hear the cut number.
Uh, 10.
10, okay.
Donald John Trump is guilty of 34 felony charges.
Okay, lunatic.
Alright.
And... What else?
Oh, play me 13.
It's interesting you mention branding.
What hit me yesterday when I heard the 34 guilty verdicts was that from here on in, Donald Trump, the ultimate brander, the guy that gave you Little Marco or Lion Ted, is simply branded Convicted Felon Donald Trump.
In the most simplistic way, from here on in, the other side has the ability to take the great brander and brand him in the most simplistic term, Convicted Felon.
I'm going to use that.
At the top here we're going to do car 15.
Okay.
Did you hear the Jory Behar one?
Yeah, I'm not going to use that.
That's unbelievable.
She pissed her pants or, you know, are you kidding me?
I mean, play it again.
Cut number six.
You should have the sheet in front of you.
Cut six.
My reaction was I was at Costco buying, you know, ten boxes of Keurig coffee and my watch started to buzz and I got so excited I started leaking a little bit.
It's like, what?
Seriously?
I'm not even gonna play that.
I'm not gonna play that.
So, you said you'll use 13 at the top?
I'll tee it up after I do car.
Oh, okay.
So, I'll tee it up for Daniel, and then you can play it.
Okay.
90 seconds.
And I need titles for everything.
Yes.
Dershowitz was great.
That line he said, Jesus, Mohammed, and Moses, even they would have been found guilty.
Oh, they would have, no, let's shorten it down.
They would have found Jesus Mohammed and Moses guilty.
Then for Todd Blanche, what should we do for that?
do for that was the best thing of Todd's just president Trump's attorney on
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President Trump's attorney on America First, that's good.
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I'm going to be so magnanimous it shocks me.
I'm going to give you even more time to think about what answer you're going to give us to fix the system, Daniel, while you're cogitating at the back of your cerebellum.
I have to get you to react to this.
I still don't know.
I've been doing this show for five years, five and a half years.
I still don't know who Donnie Deutsch is.
But I'm going to play a clip from him on MSNBC about... They want to think that they're winning the narrative.
I'm not so sure.
This is somebody called Donnie Deutch, Deutch whatever.
Cut 13.
It's interesting you mention branding.
What hit me yesterday when I heard those guilty, the 34 guilty verdicts, was that from here on in, Donald Trump, the ultimate brander, the guy that gave you Little Marco or Lion Ted, is simply branded convicted felon Donald Trump.
He's, in the most simplistic way, from here on in, the other side has the ability to take the great brander and brand him in the most simplistic term, convicted felon.
Now, those two things are, you know, clearly factually correct.
President Trump is the arch-brander, and we know for the next five months they will be, you know, 24-7, convicted felon, convicted felon, convicted felon.
But here's my take.
I'm glad.
Because that's how you get 100,000 Democrats in New Jersey going to a rally.
That's how you get 30,000 at the Bronx.
That's how you get the majority of Hispanics supporting President Trump right now.
Am I missing something?
Or have the Democrats so lost touch with what's happening in the real world?
They're completely out of touch.
They're even out of touch with their own advisors.
I mean, it just came out this last week.
There's a bunch of really, really key, like, winning Democratic advisors from the Obama campaign that have been kind of shut out, right?
I think what they're sort of misbelieving here is that they have created a label for Trump when, in actuality, they have stepped into a pre-made label that Trump has made for himself, which is outlaw president.
And in that sense, he joins the ranks of notorious outlaws George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton.
I don't want to be flipped, but you've actually stolen my thunder, or we've had a Vulcan mind meld.
I don't know who made this point on my show, but I immediately scooped it up.
I think we discussed it last time.
America has a very unusual culture.
I mean, every culture has its own quirks.
But there are very few cultures where the rebel is the quintessence of the hero, right?
I mean, we're going to review Dirty Harry for Clint's birthday.
And you look at Dirty Harry.
He and I share a birthday, by the way.
Oh, happy birthday, young man.
Happy birthday.
So, you know, that Dirty Harry is the icon of Americanness.
That the cowboy and the outlaw are the quintessential American heroes.
Shane, right?
The guy who walks off into the sunset.
I know I live in the real world and my job title in the White House was strategist, so I try to think logically.
But if there's one thing you do not want to paint your opponent as in American culture, if you want to win, is the absolute Apotheosis, the ultimate, the zenith of being an outlaw.
And haven't they just done that?
They have, and they've done it with a guy to whom portraying himself as an outlaw has been a unique strength.
That's how he rose ahead in the Republican primaries in late 2015.
It wasn't so much because of his merits, as much as I think he has a lot of merits, it was the lack of merit in the field, right?
He looked so much more shiny Because of how dingy the rest of the Republican field looked.
You know what I mean?
He very much was that.
And so the more he portrayed himself as the renegade, as the iconoclast, the more he seemed to rise in estimation.
And he, after a while, just started to steer into that skid.
And that's when Donald Trump gained his superpowers.
So, what they're really doing here is they are putting Superman under the yellow sun.
That's what's happening here.
And isn't it doubly ironic that not only with yesterday's decision, and the documents trial, and Georgia, and Jack Smith, that they've reinforced this thing that he's preternaturally good at doing, which is broadcasting the outlaw identity, that they've also done this.
And this just beggars belief.
If there's one issue you don't hand him on a platter, it's immigration, because that's how he won the first time.
And not only have they handed it to him on a platter, they've done it times eight million illegals.
I just can't get my head around, if there's one issue the Democrats should have steered away from for four years, it's opening the border.
But they did the opposite, raise a fist!
They have no answer on the economy, and they have no answer on immigration, and those two things are kill shots right now in this election cycle.
Because, look, the ready rebuttal to anything Biden says on the economy is a grocery bill.
You can't go into a grocery store today without it costing Thrice as much as it did the last time, right?
Like, a grocery trip in 2020 was whatever.
If it was $100 then, it's closing in on $300 now for the same amount of groceries.
It's just, that's become it.
And the same is true of immigration.
And when I reference the Democratic strategists, Obama strategists, who are lamenting the fact that they've been shut out of this campaign, these are all the same things they're saying.
He can't continue to own the economy or else Trump is simply going to reverse engineer him.
Absolutely, he's going to be like, hey guys, look at your receipts.
Look at your grocery receipts.
There's my rebuttal.
Next question.
Do you have a theory as to, is it just they Maybe it's how insular the Biden White House has had to become in order to protect the old man.
watching the woke garbage on Netflix.
Do you have a theory as to how they are that disconnected?
Maybe it's how insular the Biden White House has had to become in order to protect the old man.
I mean, you see this guy doing the night of the living dead shuffle out of Air Force One,
and they have a phalanx of secret service now between him and reporters just to protect him
from even being seen while he's walking across the lawn.
That is emblematic, that's microcosmic of what's happening in the Biden White House in general, I think.
And so because of that, I think a lot of avenues that possibly could paint the way, not necessarily toward victory, but at least toward being more competitive, are being shut out as a result.
It's interesting because there was a similar kind of idea happening in the Obama White House with Valerie Jarrett kind of playing goalie and keeping critics away from the president and whatever.
It's even worse with Biden, I would argue.
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We'll be back with RazörFist in a moment.
There's Hall and Oates out of touch is what we're getting out of here.
Don't break my heart.
I used to like those guys.
What a bunch of petty pricks.
I mean, really.
Oh my gosh!
The recent news about them.
They won't even be in the same room together.
How long was it?
Like 50 years they played together?
How pathetic.
How pathetic.
How do you let it fall apart at that point?
It's like, how many number one hits?
What's your problem?
All right, I'm going to play all of the one to three cuts right after each other.
I'm going to tee them up, I'm going to go bam, bam, bam.
Then I'm going to go to a razor to get the answer for what we do after November if we win.
But you'll like still introduce each cut?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
All righty.
And then car 15 at the top.
Yeah, still need titles for Paul and for Alina.
For Alina Haber, what was her best point?
I think we did do a show with...
We did, we did Dershowitz.
Yeah, we did.
So for Haber... Here, how do I get my camera to work?
There we go.
It was, it's all about Hello sir, can we get a quick audio check from you?
Yes sir, can you hear me?
Can you give me a 5, 10 count?
5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
4 to 1. All right. Perfect. Thank you.
All right, we're gonna call you back.
Bye.
Alright, okay.
Sir, can we get another 10 count from you?
.
Sure.
1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.
Do you have any headphones or a microphone that you could use?
Or maybe coming closer to the camera?
Or closer to the microphone?
Yep, I can do that.
Alright, can you give me another 10 count?
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10.
Still cutting in and out.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
One, two, three, four, five.
How about that?
There we go.
One.
I'll see you next time.
Okay.
Alright, we will call you back when it's time for your interview.
Great.
Thanks.
Car at the 5-6 minutes.
Thanks.
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All right, in a few minutes, RazörFist is going to solve the Deep State for us.
Very, very easily, I'm sure.
But before we do that, I just want to play these cuts because I think we need to put ourselves back in a good mood.
It's less than a minute.
The first one is 16 seconds.
This is from the most, what shall we say, ethnically interesting part of America.
Cut one!
I love you Trump!
We love Trump!
We love Trump! We love Trump! We love Trump!
That epic visit to the bodega in Harlem with the little black kid says we love you Trump.
And then all the grownups join in.
Then I'm going to jump to cut three.
Oh my gosh.
The black university professor at the Chick-fil-A.
I don't care what the media tells you, Mr. Trump.
We support you.
We love you.
OK, 4pm.
We've been 4pm for a while.
Come here.
Let me give you a hug.
I don't care what the media says.
We love you.
I can't wait to tell my mama.
And then the one that's the most powerful of all.
Pop this up.
President Trump delivering the pizza pies to the firefighters in New York after a day in the court.
And what does one of those firefighters say in the most Democrat city on the planet?
cut to. Save us please. Save us.
Save us please. Save us.
Save us, Mr. President.
Wow.
Okay, raise a fist.
They've made him more powerful than he's ever been before, just like Ben Kenobi warmed Darth Vader at the end of the OG Star Wars.
Say he survives, and then he romps home with a massive victory in November, The Democrats, Antifa and BLM failed to burn down all of America by January 20th.
What happens then?
Because it's not just an electoral college victory that would have swept him into power.
It's the love of the working class, the firefighters, the black kids of Harlem.
Now that's a mandate.
So what is the minimum you would suggest to the 47th president, God willing, of the United States?
Before I say that, I have to congratulate Biden on turning Trump into Tupac, crying out loud.
But I've actually recommended this.
Would you be opposed to this?
I know I wouldn't.
Trump taking, I don't care if there's fire raining from the sky, if Trump devotes the first month in office to holding panels of experts who actually know what they're talking about with regard to the deep state, to literally hold deep state auditions for all the alphabet agencies.
And they'll sit down and give their evaluations and have them all lined up by category, right?
Okay, what is this?
Do these guys handle national security?
Do these guys have a crime lab?
Do they have this?
Do they have that?
What do they handle?
And compile their reports and they'll sit down and basically just hold auditions under the presumption that every single alphabet agency has already defaulted the ability to exist given their recent actions.
So they have to audition to continue to exist.
So justify that they actually have a right to exist.
And yes, I'll tell you exactly what that'll do.
They compile the report.
Trump is a numbers and patterns guy.
They give the report to Trump.
These are, of course, people that he actually trusts and can trust.
He reads those reports.
And what Trump's going to do, because this is one of his superpowers, is, oh, The NSA and CIA do the same thing here.
Okay, we can get rid of that function.
Okay, we can get rid of that.
We can get rid of that.
He'll stop making his cuts!
Hang on, hang on.
Come on.
You can't say that we don't need 17 intelligence agencies, RazörFist.
Really?
Right?
And state-level Bureau of Investigation.
Yeah, all of that stuff.
That to me is what, and I would not object to Trump taking it, devoting an entire first month of his term to doing that.
Don't even worry about the economy.
We'll deal with it a month later.
Look, I agree the first 30 days are the most important.
If we don't grip the python in the first 30 days by the throat, forget about it.
Should those be open hearings, like some kind of truth commission?
Ooh, well, I tell you what, if you livestream that, put it on pay-per-view, as far as I'm concerned.
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Hey, let's watch the ATF and FBI explain why they don't do the exact same thing.
All right, how about this?
It is Friday.
I've got to talk guns next with a very special guest.
Why don't we do this?
Why don't we do an audition for how we'd run that?
Why don't we talk about that next week for a whole hour?
What do you think?
Let's give the president his music sheet.
What do you think, Reza?
Oh, I love that.
I love that.
We go agency by agency and here's what they do.
Here's what these guys do.
Hey, look at all these redundant functions.
Yeah, let's do it.
Let's do it.
Let's do it.
Let's prep the battlefield.
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Well, I didn't get to go to the NRA convention this month, but I did go to SHOT Show a few months ago, where I got to meet a man I've been communicating with quite a bit over the years, buying his incredible weapons, especially the G36 line, and he had something new to unveil, Tommy Bostick of Tommy Built Tactical.
Welcome back to America First.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you, appreciate it.
Now, before I geek out completely on your latest announcement, it is well known in the
gun community that perhaps the sexiest machine gun or submachine gun ever is the MP5 as used
by the SAS in the Iranian Embassy siege.
Prior to that, the Tommy Gun, pretty cool, especially if you're in the mafia.
The Uzi, you know, a heavy hunk of metal, but the MP5 was exquisite.
It was a Hector and Koch product, and then along came something even sexier.
Even smaller.
Something that individuals at Dev Gru at a certain SEAL unit took to war with them after 9-11.
Tommy, would you tell us about the MP7 and your special relationship to it?
Uh, you know, I mean, it's probably the most iconic, um, civilian sought-after firearm platform that we've never been able to have.
Uh, it's been in, you know, every video game, movie, you know, it's, it's, everybody knows what it is.
That's a, that's a gun guy for sure.
And, uh, we have been able to make this happen.
Um, you have a small manufacturer here in, uh, in Florida and, um, we wanted to bring this to the table.
For many reasons nobody else has over the years, and we've been working on it on and off for three or four years, and we finally have broken the code.
All right, let's look at it.
Look at it.
He's got it in his hands.
This isn't some grey import or from the HK Grey Room.
It is the T7.
It is Tommy Tactical built.
It is his version of... Yeah, you're right.
It's the most sought-after weapon you simply can't get your hands on.
So how did...
What did you do?
Is it like magic?
Is it voodoo?
How did you do it, Tommy?
A lot of work.
You know, the MP7 is only, you know, it's designed as a PDW machine gun
and there is not really a semi-auto version of that.
So we had to kind of take the basic platform and change it to make it a semi-auto platform.
We are offering it as a pistol.
This particular one I was holding up there is an SBR, of course, with a stock and the flip grip on there.
We'll have a standard pistol version and then of course the SBR version.
But we kind of had to reinvent the system essentially so that it could be just semi-only for our market here.
And make some other changes to kind of bring it up to speed.
I mean, the gun's been around since, you know, the late 90s, really, they created it, the platform.
And, you know, we wanted to kind of bring it up to date here
and change it a little bit.
I didn't want to copy exactly what HK had, but, you know, kind of move it on to more of a platform
and celebrating what it is and what it would be, you know, what it could be today.
So we moved forward with doing M-LOK on it and keeping the same iconic look and size.
And we made a few other little changes, but all in all, it looks and feels and shoots
pretty much like the original, other than it's not a machine gun.
And tell us why, I mean, you know it so implicitly because you've built it here in America.
Why is this the sexiest thing since ever?
You know, it's just, I don't know if it's that mystique because you just can't have one.
You know, HK doesn't, you know, they sold them in very small numbers.
They still, you know, have them available to LE agencies and such, but it's, you know, it's a strange round.
It's a 4.6 millimeter round, similar to like the 5.7 size, if you're familiar with that.
And it's the only thing really that shoots it.
So, you know, that in itself is super unique.
And it's being a PDW, the design, You know, it's just, it kind of has its own little niche.
It's not something that every department would necessarily want for normal stuff.
So it just, it's never really kind of ran away, but also HK doesn't really sell like dealer samples.
So it's just kind of one of those, you can't get it sort of things.
I mean, post sample guns have sold anywhere from, you know, 45,000 to, you know, there's one on Gunbreaker right now for 105,000.
You mean one of the original submachine guns for over a hundred grand?
Yeah.
And this, of course, requires a law letter, you know, that says you're going to do a demo and you have to, you know, do a real demo on the gun if you get it, if you're an 07 SOT.
So, you know, they're just so few and far between that they just hold this ridiculous value because you just can't get your hands on them.
So there's that mystique in itself.
And then, of course, there's never been anything like it for sale here.
You know, I mean, nobody's ever made a semi-auto.
Well, I have to say, I have I think three or four of your G-pattern weapons, and they are superlative, so I can't wait to get my hands on one of the T7s.
But in the meantime, you're wearing a t-shirt that Talks to me.
It's an X-Wing fighter from Star Wars.
In the last minute we have with you, we've got a couple of pictures of the other things you do in all your spare time.
I literally think this man does not sleep.
What is your thing with Star Wars and what kinds of things do you make that are life-size?
Well, that's the X-34, Luke's land speeder.
I mean, I make a lot of Star Wars stuff, a lot of droids.
I'm a 501st member, a Rebel Legion member, droid building, you know, member.
So I've kind of, you know, I'm in all the different groups there, do a lot of charity events and that sort of fun stuff.
But for me, the building of these things and creating of these different things is fun.
I'm going to be on the spot now.
Building unobtainium HK weapons or Star Wars vehicles.
If you had to choose Mr. Tommy built.
It really depends.
I mean, if I could build a full size Falcon, you know, I mean, I would take that.
But, you know, I mean, a full size Falcon, that's, that's a, that's a tall order.
My gosh, I've only got one from the 70s that I couldn't afford when I was a kid.
I bought one to put in my studio, one of the original Hasbro's.
But a full-size one, you are talking straight to my heart.
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about the colors you're doing you're doing sand you're doing black
My next question is, what color?
So we're doing black, and then this color is the German green-brown, as they call it.
It's called R-E-L.
Thousand is the color code.
And when they debuted the A2 version of this, when HK did a few years back, they debuted it in this color.
And so in the MP5, I think it was the 50th anniversary, I believe is what it was.
Might have been longer than maybe the 70th anniversary.
Whatever it was, they had an MP5 in the same color as well.
So it just became like, everybody has to have that color.
So they did the MG4, the MG5.
Are you going to do other stuff like digicam and all that cool stuff you do?
I mean, we could.
We've done a couple already painted in Flecktarn, German Flecktarn and some other stuff.
We could coat them in whatever, but as far as building in color, I'm doing the traditional, you know, the RAL8000 in black on this first run of guns.
Is that a B&T can on it?
It is, yeah.
You know, they made the factory suppressor, you know, for it.
And this is one of theirs.
They actually did this one special for me, because we're obviously doing the color.
So they did this hand Cerakote Nari Alta Max.
I'm going to bump.
I've got to be live in 40 seconds.
All right.
Superb.
That was amazing.
Thank you, buddy.
Yes, sir.
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Let s support Miku in chatting So what I'm going to argue to you, which sounds crazy but I believe it to be true, if on November 5th Trump is elected, and who knows what's going to happen in this election, if that happens and he is the president, he has a debt
To Alvin Bragg.
Alvin Bragg is a kingmaker.
He made Trump president by making his entire party coalesce behind him.
These two men are bound in history forever, and Bragg, it's an unintended consequence, made Trump president.
That's what I'm going to argue.
Now, it may sound crazy, and an unintended consequence it is, but I believe history will look at it that way when examined years from now.
The one and only Mr. Wonderful Kevin O'Leary, who's getting more and more coverage in the conservative media, saying what?
Alvin Bragg, congratulations, you're the kingmaker for President Trump.
Well, we've got five months to go, so here's my salute, here's my request, here's my cri de coeur to all of you listening right now.
You don't have an option.
Really?
A lot of you say, I'm sad, I'm worried, you know, I'm fearful.
Stop it!
Stop it!
Those emotions are understandable, but they're utterly and completely useless.
Don't be.
Take action.
And I'm deadly serious about this.
If you're not politically engaged, every day except Sunday, I'll give you Sunday off because it's the Lord's Day.
I keep having to remind my wife about that.
She's a bit of a workaholic.
She's now got her fourth job in retirement as chairman of the Republican Party for the biggest county in the Commonwealth of Virginia.
So I'll give you six days a week.
One off.
But you need to be working to save America.
And you can choose how you do it, okay?
If it's too late to run for local office, something really important, like the local school board, then get engaged otherwise.
Become an election officer, a poll worker.
Become somebody who's knocking on doors for the candidate, who's writing postcards, somebody who is actually helping to mobilize the vote.
Every single one of you has a role to play.
Why?
Well, let's listen to the American people.
Let's listen to that lovely lady in that Chick-fil-A cut three.
Let's listen to that little boy in Harlem.
Cut one.
I love you Trump!
I love you Trump!
We love Trump!
We love Trump! We love Trump!
Break the internet again.
Right now.
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Go right now to donaldjtrump.com.
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Understand the enemy.
Read Katie's book, Next Gen Marxism.
And, well, listen to one of the biggest experts on communism next.
One on one.
you you
you someone very profoundly once said many years ago that if
fascism ever comes to america it'll come in the name of liberalism
of liberalism.
And what is fascism?
Fascism is private ownership, private enterprise, but total government control and regulation.
Well, isn't this the liberal philosophy?
The conservative, so-called, is the one that says, less government, get off my back, get out of my pocket.
Not just one of the greatest presidents our republic has ever seen, according to that, A prophet as well.
When fascism comes to America, it will come under the guise of liberalism, with complete government control of your life.
Conservatives believe in small government, because as the aphorism goes, bigger government, smaller citizen.
Have we arrived at a Rubicon yesterday with the leader of the opposition convicted, quote-unquote, of 34 felonies by a judge who illegally donated to the current incumbent?
And by a prosecutor who campaigned on putting President Trump behind bars, will America ever recover or have we become a police state?
I can think of few better to spend the next hour here on America First than a man who has proven himself as perhaps one of the greatest cartographers of communism.
He's the author of numerous works, my favorite being Dupes, How America's Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century, but also A Pope and a President, St.
John Paul II and Ronald Reagan and the End of the Cold War, and The Devil and Karl Marx, the new, well, relatively new, editor-in-chief of The Spectator, Professor Paul Kengel.
Welcome back to America First.
The Cartographer of Communism.
I have to put that in my bio.
I love that.
That just came, you know, spur of the moment.
That's the crazy thing about doing these things unrehearsed.
As long as you give me full credit for giving you that new moniker, you can use it at your leisure.
I shall.
I am now the cartographer of communism.
Well, look, there are poet laureates, okay?
We know that, but you're far more important than just a poet laureate.
You are the cartographer of communism.
We've lost Pipes, we've lost M. Stanton Evans, and we have at least your sage cartography to guide us through these dark, dark times.
Oh, well, thank you.
Thank you, sir.
I'm going to give you my take in a moment that I've been sharing with our listeners for the last two hours across the nation, but as somebody who implicitly, who viscerally, who just knows What state control has looked like in other countries, who charted what Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan, St.
John Paul II did to defeat fascistic or communistic states outside of the United States.
Could I have you, from your historian's perspective, qualify what we witnessed yesterday afternoon in that courtroom in Manhattan?
Well, yeah.
In fact, I'll throw everybody a curveball.
As a biographer of Reagan, I'm going to quote a Kennedy.
I'm going to quote a Democrat.
In fact, I'm going to quote RFK Jr., who is so independent that he's actually not running as a Democrat for president, but he's running as an independent for president this year.
And he tweeted out immediately, he said this, Seb, quote, the Democratic Party's strategy is to beat President Trump in the courtroom rather than the ballot box.
And then he said, this will backfire in November.
Even worse, it is profoundly undemocratic.
Now keep in mind, right, these are the people that are always saying, democracy, democracy, right?
Trump's a threat to democracy.
And then Kennedy said this, America deserves a president who can win at the ballot box without compromising our government's separation of powers or weaponizing the courts.
Now, right there, folks, he's talking about Joe Biden.
Yeah.
He's not talking about Donald Trump.
And then Kennedy said, you can't save democracy by destroying it first.
The Democrats are afraid that they will lose in the voting booth, so instead they go after President Trump in the courtroom.
Now, that's RFK Jr.
who's saying that.
And by the way, one of the reasons that Kennedy knows this so personally and so acutely well is that the Democrats and Joe Biden, Team Biden, have been trying to keep him off the ballot in all 50 states.
Well, and not only that, most egregiously deny him Secret Service protection despite the fact that both his uncle and his father were assassinated.
Well, and the very law that's created to provide Secret Service protection for presidential candidates during campaigns was created because of the assassination of his father, RFK Sr., in June 1968.
And so here, of all things, I mean, as Kennedy has pointed out, again, these people shout, democracy, democracy, democracy.
But they are weaponizing the courts.
They are trying to keep him off the ballot.
They're trying to keep Trump off the ballot.
And really, my take on this whole thing, I think we saw immediately after the verdict what they want to do, all right?
This is basically twofold.
And by the way, I'm writing a piece on this right now for the American spectator.
So we'll probably have this posted tomorrow at spectator.org.
They are trying to brand Trump, and they're trying to brand people who will vote for Trump.
How are they gonna brand him, right?
With Trump, you saw it right away, a criminal felon, right?
Yeah.
Convicted felon.
Convicted felon.
And the take will be, this guy wants to run for president when he was found guilty unanimously on 34 counts.
He's a felon, all right?
So that's branding number one.
Then the second branding will be to the people who want to vote for Trump.
They'll say to those people, how could you vote for somebody who's a convicted felon who was convicted unanimously by a jury of 12 and 34 counts, right?
So that's the sort of double branding strategy that's going on here.
And Democrats and liberals who are listening to me right now, you might say, well, we honestly think that Trump is guilty of this, and that's why we pursued him in the courtroom.
Okay, all right.
Even if I take you a word on that, but you know damn well, all right, that the big benefit of this to you is that you want to be able to brand him and tarnish him this way so you could defeat him in the courtroom.
And then of all things, Seb, right, the actual sentencing by the judge, I mean, how's this for Damocles hanging over his head?
It's going to come, what, three or four days?
Four days before the Republican convention, Paul.
It's just astonishing.
I mean, why not do it the morning of the convention?
In fact, maybe they'll come up with a way to delay it and announce it the morning of the convention.
So if that's not at least unintended election interference, right?
Trump uses that phrase.
I mean, it definitely is election interference, whether intentional or not.
So, what we're seeing here is really quite a spectacle.
And you and I talk all the time about totalitarian systems and so forth.
And again, liberals, listen to what many of us mean by this.
A show trial is a trial where the verdict is predetermined.
And pretty much everybody who's a Trump supporter knew that as soon as Alvin Bragg decided to pursue that case where he was, just like the woman who got Trump for Attempted rape.
What was her name?
Jean?
Eugene, uh, Jean Carroll.
E. Jean Carroll.
E. Jean Carroll.
All you gotta do is get a courtroom in New York and he's done, he's toast.
That's it.
All you have to do, I mean, it's kind of like the Moscow church trials, right?
You just get the guy into the courtroom in Moscow and the verdict's predetermined, right?
There's no need for witnesses.
Cohen could have, they could have gotten Trump on exhuming and clubbing the corpse of his dead mother if they wanted to, to this jury of 12.
And around the country, the rest of the 99% of America, they don't like liberals in Manhattan.
They don't trust them.
They don't think like them, even though they provide the food for everybody that eats in Manhattan and all those restaurants and what we grow out here in the hinterland and ship across the interstates on our trucks.
But everybody just suspects that this stinks and it doesn't seem fair or just.
Yeah, it feels strange for me to do this as the son of a man who actually was the victim of a show trial in communist Hungary.
But, you know, those regimes, when you had to survive, they had the darkest of humor to help the persecuted survive.
And there was a classic Hungarian joke.
It was day one of the trial, a political trial.
And the prosecutor stands up and gets out a piece of paper and says, and we find the defendant guilty.
And the judge says, uh, you're reading the verdict, not the charge.
Can you read the charge first?
Right?
So that's, that's day one.
That is the definition of a show trial.
And when you have a prosecutor like Alvin Bragg, who actually campaigned On putting President Trump behind bars years ago, there is no other label than Show Trial for what we witnessed.
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I text them, and one of them is our guest, Professor Kengor, who actually reads what I write, because he's a man of letters.
And in the break, you mentioned the piece I wrote about my trip to the Trump trial last week as a guest of the President.
It's called my time inside the Trump trial and let me just share a few of those details because perhaps you can then reflect on them in historic context with regards to other authoritarian regimes so number one The psychological effect on the leader of the opposition that we're in this truly dingy, cracked paint, garbage pails full of trash, broken power sockets, anti-room.
You know, we have to wait with the president in this room that's right out of some dingy cop movie from the 1970s with, you know, Roy Scheider.
So first, that kind of oppressive behavior.
Then the press isn't allowed to do a proper press conference with the president.
He is shuffled into this dimly lit neon corridor next to the courtroom.
There's no proper microphone stand.
The press is 30 feet away.
The sound is echoing off the walls.
So again, another psychological effect.
And then most shocking of all, I can talk about what I saw in the faces of the jurors and what have you, but in the afternoon when the jurors were excused, Paul, Was the final arguments between the defense and the prosecution on how the judge should use which terms to instruct the jury before they retire.
And the defense had one of their requests out of 20 accepted with a kind of, I'll think about it by the judge.
And the prosecution had all, dozens of their requests rubber-stamped by the judge with no question.
At one point, Paul, the defense attorney was about to stand up, because you have to stand up to address the judge, and speak into the microphone.
And in front of us, the jury had gone, but we were there, the president's guests and witnesses.
And he said, sit down.
I don't want to hear from you.
As if suddenly the Constitution had been rent asunder and didn't apply to defendants in Judge Mo Chan's courtroom.
So from what I witnessed, could you put that into a political historic context?
Well, yeah.
I mean, it's just blatant bias.
I mean, obviously.
You know, one of our writers at Spectator, Bruce Bauer, wrote a piece today called Twelve Angry Men, right?
About that famous movie.
But from what you described, I think you said it was eight angry women.
Yeah, no, I counted in all the twelve, plus the alternates.
In total, there were eight women, and they were in their thirties, and they were white, and they were from New York.
Which, you know, I think I have pretty high certitude who they voted for.
Yeah, but yeah, we're the people of color, right?
Liberals are okay with the group.
So eight white New York women from Manhattan, I mean, you could demographically based on voting patterns, you could predict that easily seven out of eight of them Probably voted for Biden, and probably all eight.
Yeah.
And then what about this that we heard the day after I left the court, that the judge not only made sure the prosecution had the final word and couldn't be rebutted by the defense, as is normally the case, but then he said, you know, that thing about 12 of you agreeing, we don't need that.
If four of you agree on a charge and then the other four agree on another charge, I'll take that as unanimity.
I mean that's Kafka isn't it?
Yeah, I mean it should be a movie.
I mean people really need to be able to see it.
I mean it ought to be on videotape.
People should be able to read the transcript word for word and see what exactly happened.
I mean a lot of people kind of suspect that that sort of thing happened,
but you really need to read about it.
And I don't think it should be left to guys like me and you who are historians to read about it in a book 20 years from now, right?
I mean, you know, this is something that we ought to be able to read about right now.
And again, go back to this has been going on for over a year now.
There was the E. Jean Carroll cases.
And you know how those are going to turn out?
Remember also last fall, there was the Georgia mugshot.
Liberals all wanted that mugshot really bad.
And I got to warn them, and this is what RFK Jr.
I think was saying too.
I mean, if you follow the poll numbers, Donald Trump has been leading Joe Biden since about October.
And in 2016, Trump never led Hillary.
In 2020, he never led Biden.
And in both cases, all he needed to do was come within about 2% of Hillary or 2% of Biden to win the overall Electoral College.
And that's what he did with Hillary.
If he ends up winning the popular vote by 2% outright, this will be an Electoral College landslide.
I mean, he'll win the Electoral College by probably 100 electoral votes.
And the fact that yesterday, I mean, according to his press conference this morning, he said in five hours he raised $39 million.
I mean, it's as if the establishment class doesn't know the effect they're having on the American people.
No, I don't think they get it.
And also a friend of mine, Kyren Skinner, who you know, she's a great Reagan scholar.
And she's a black conservative, been with the Hoover Institution.
Now she's at Pepperdine.
She worked in the Trump administration with you.
In fact, she had the George Kennan seat of all things, a very prominent foreign policy seat.
And she told me back October and November, Seb, here at Grove City College.
And she told me, she said, Trump could very well get 20 percent of the black vote.
And I was incredulous.
I'm like, oh, come on, 20%?
Reagan never got higher than 14%.
That would be the highest since Nixon.
And she said the way that the black folks are seeing Trump being, in their view, unjustly treated by the legal system, and black people have been through that themselves.
That's why you get 100,000 Americans in New Jersey at a Trump rally.
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Professor Kengor, language like that Is that inflammatory, that I will be your retribution?
Or are we at a point where we have to energize Americans to understand that the system, the political system, is broken at its core?
Well, I think liberals overdid it by going after Trump in the way that they have.
I honestly wasn't convinced that Trump was going to run again two years ago.
I really believe, Seb, that over the last year or so, with the way that they've really gone after him and everywhere they could try to get him—Georgia, New York, wherever—that it's really fueled his desire to run again for a kind of retribution and vindication.
And I mean, Joe Biden talked about being this great unifier.
I really do wonder that if Joe Biden, two or three years ago, had invited Donald Trump to the White House.
And look, you and I have known Biden for years, right?
The guy was on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
He had this oily, oozy politician's Bill Clinton sort of quote-unquote charm, right?
I mean, he was really good at getting you in a room, putting his arm around you.
Hey, buddy, right?
I mean, he'd stick a knife in your back, but he was really good at doing that.
I thought that if Biden had tried to do something like that with Trump, like 2022, He might well have cooled Trump off and might not even be running.
I mean, at one point I suspected, boy, maybe there's some Machiavellian chess being played here by Biden.
Maybe he wants to run against Trump, right?
Then at that point, maybe he did, because at that point maybe he was three or four points ahead of Trump.
But now, ever since they've gone after Trump, it's only moved Trump up in the polls.
He's been leading Biden since October.
And now I think Biden, I don't know, he might regret what they've done.
But now they've got their label, right?
Convicted felon.
Convicted felon.
Unanimous.
Unanimous.
34 counts.
34 counts.
They're going to be pounding that drum from here until November.
But it might backfire.
At the end of the last segment, You had mentioned 100,000 people in Wildwood, New Jersey, right?
And I'd been to that beach in Wildwood.
It's a gigantic beach.
I mean, it's really long and flat.
You go there in July, you better be wearing shoes.
I mean, your feet will fry on that sand.
I mean, you could fit a lot of people there.
I can't imagine 100,000 people there at a Trump rally.
My hometown is Butler, Pennsylvania.
That's where you get Trump rallies like that.
But the other one about a week ago, this time, I think the Bronx, it was Saturday
night, right?
Right.
Yeah, that's right.
It was in the Bronx.
And the day after I was actually in New York City and I talked to a young man who
had been at the Trump rally in the Bronx and I said, wow, no kidding.
What was it like?
And he said, well, he said, well, first of all, I've never felt like such a minority in my life.
He's white, in his early 20s, Jewish.
And he said, he said, I was completely surrounded by black people and Latinos.
And I said, well, I said the pictures that I saw, of course, from the AP and everybody, right, the corrupt media, they look like MAGA people from the Midwest, right?
He said, oh, no, no, no.
He said, I was surrounded by black people and Latinos, and he said, let me give you a great anecdote.
Hang on, hold it, hold it.
I want to tease the anecdote.
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I want to share with you something I've been cogitating over since I heard it this morning,
Professor.
My friend Chris Plant had a great caller this morning, a law professor, who said, yeah,
it'll go to appeals.
I get it.
But appeals are there to correct mistakes that were done in the first instance.
There were no mistakes in this trial.
Everything that happened was on purpose.
There is a broader issue, not about correcting mistakes, There is a compact that has been broken between the American people and the system that has power above them.
And he raised this very interesting question.
The caller was called Blaze.
He said, I don't know how you fix that, because when millions of citizens lose faith in the system that can incarcerate them, that is not fixed with an election, Professor.
Don't you concur?
Well, the very basic bottom problem here is it just comes down to liberalism, right?
And I remember seeing you, Seb, in Dinesh D'Souza's movie about the mules, right?
And you made a comment in that roundtable where you said, you know, if I was convinced that Donald Trump was Hitler or a Nazi, I'd be taking extreme measures, too, to try to keep him from being re-elected, right?
So they kind of whip themselves into believing these things, right?
Into believing that Trump is Hitler.
In fact, that rally I was talking about, that Bronx rally, the young man that I talked to— Oh, sorry, yeah, finish the story.
So, young 20-year-old Jewish guy at the Bronx rally, I think it was Thursday before last, and he feels like he's surrounded by other minorities.
What was his experience?
It relates directly to this point.
He said, the only white person that I saw was a middle-aged white woman.
I mean, maybe somebody from the jury in Manhattan, right?
One of the eight angry women.
Was a middle-aged white woman holding a sign that said, Trump Nazi.
And three black guys came up and ripped it out of her hands and threw it on the ground and started shouting, four more years, four more years.
So the blacks from the Bronx have had it with the white liberal females.
That's right.
And the problem, to get back to your question, they whip themselves into these ideas that Trump really is a Nazi, that what happened on January 6th really is equivalent to Kristallnacht, to another 9-11.
To Pearl Harbor, as Chuck Schumer and all those people said, right, that day.
I mean, it was one thing to call it an insurrection.
I remember hearing that.
You and I are foreign policy guys, right?
I mean, our PhDs are in international relations.
An insurrection.
I mean, an insurrection is like, you know, Castro's rebels, right, in the hills.
It's something even bigger.
But insurrection.
But then, of all things, to hear them saying, another 9-11.
I mean, where they crashed jets into the Twin Towers and into the Pentagon.
Are you out of your mind?
But they're people.
And it's something about the emotional response of liberalism.
They look at that and they don't think like, well, you know, this is kind of overheated propaganda on our side, but I guess I'll take it maybe if it helps.
No, they're like, wow, another 9-11 terrorist!
Hitler!
Right?
So they really convince themselves of this.
And so the point is, as long as you try guys like Donald Trump in towns, in cities where you have people that think like that, They don't have a snowball's chance in Hades of getting off.
So it's a real problem with our judicial system when, where you decide to try somebody, For alleged crimes, basically seals the verdict or predetermines the verdict.
I think that's a big problem that nobody's really talking about.
So where do you find a truly neutral jury and judge in a situation like that?
Because liberals, I mean, think about this, right?
You wouldn't like it if your guy, some liberal president, was being tried, you know, in the heart of somewhere in the Bible Belt.
Right.
By, you know, 12 Baptist guys, right?
I mean, we really do want fair juries.
I want that.
You want that.
I look at what happened and I think, well, maybe I don't know enough.
Maybe if I was in that room and I saw all the evidence and everything, you know, maybe Trump really, but I don't know.
All I know is I can't trust Twelve liberals in Manhattan and a liberal judge to deal with Trump and this issue fairly.
That's the only thing I really know.
That point I made, I learned from my former Salem colleague Larry Elder.
And you just have to stop for a second and ask yourself this question.
If you have been told for eight years that a politician is A Nazi is a white supremacist, then how are you going to react in a jury?
What are you going to think of it?
If you've literally been told 24-7 for almost a decade, he is the reincarnation of the Austrian corporal, Is there any way on earth that you want to give him a fair trial or fair hearing?
Of course not.
And that's why you have the footage I played earlier today of these demented older white women in New York writing guilty 34 times on the pavement on the sidewalk in Chalk.
That's a dementia.
That's a cult where, you know, you are writing on the sidewalk 34 times in big letters, guilty, guilty, guilty.
That's not a functioning human being with critical thought.
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What happens if, God willing, the good guys win and President Trump is sworn back in as the president next January 20th?
Because we look at other totalitarian regimes and ones that didn't have a reckoning with the past, whether it was Nuremberg Or whether it was truth and reconciliation, or whether it was the lustration of Poland.
If you didn't deal with the crimes of the prior regime, then you just ended up in a mess again with a weak democracy.
What needs to happen after January if President Trump is vindicated?
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Well, this is why 2024 is going to be even more fascinating.
Now, we have to wait a week.
We're going to see the poll numbers in a week.
Right now, if I'm looking at real clear politics, Trump is up by 0.9 over Biden, which is really down for him.
He had been leading Biden by about 2.
In a five-way race, he's leading Biden by about 2%.
So this time next week, if he's gone up even more, then this will have really backfired on the Democrats.
They'll really have shot themselves in the foot.
We probably won't know until we have numbers about this time next week.
And then if he wins in November, all hell is going to break loose.
And this is where you're going to see incredible hypocrisy because you're going to see January 6 like scenes from liberals all over the country.
Well, like the Summer of Love in 2020 with BLM and Antifa.
Right.
I mean, they're going to go nuts.
And you're going to have a lot of people on the right saying, you know, why are these people getting arrested?
They're tearing down statues.
They're vandalizing.
Why are they getting away with this?
They will go absolutely bonkers through November.
And the one thing with, if Trump wins, the country, even if you're a liberal, maybe if you're a moderate, I hope that if Trump wins in November, it'll be at least comfortably 100 votes in the Electoral College.
Because if it's really, really narrow, and this becomes a December, Florida, Gore v. Bush kind of thing, then it'll get really crazy.
But it's going to be, I mean, hold on to your seats.
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