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May 21, 2024 - Sebastian Gorka
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Mark Davis LIVE: As Dr. G attends Trump trial, covering the latest from the trial and campaign trial
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So, I'm going to go ahead and get started.
I'm going to go ahead and get started.
I'm Sebastian Gorka, and this is America First with our very special guest host, the voice of Dallas, Mark Davis.
Thank you, Dr. G. Mark Davis with you from thriving DFW, where I'm the morning host at 660 AM, The Answer.
And as I always say, whether I'm doing Prager, Gorka, anybody, whatever, except Hewitt, which comes before my show, there's no prep for doing the Gorka Show like doing my own program this morning.
And boy, did I.
And doing a morning show, that gives me the honor of being the official Trump walking into the courthouse talk show, where we stop down even with that crappy audio from 40 feet away.
It's not like they got a malt box of microphones set up there.
It's almost like it's designed to be echoey in order to disadvantage him more.
But you can understand him.
You can absolutely understand him.
He can be heard.
He can be heard every day going in.
He can be heard every day coming out, describing the level of Corruption, I think today he called it complexity.
Corruption, just the abject shame that drips off this entire trial, which gets me to why I'm here, and Dr. Gorka is not, because he soon will be.
If you've been keeping track of trial coverage today, you know exactly where Dr. Gorka is.
He's standing behind Donald Trump, figuratively and literally, in the courtroom as we speak.
And I think it was in the morning or the midday break, they just sent, the team just texted
it to me.
It's this wonderful shot with the Fox News graphic all around it and all their running
live blog stuff over there on the right-hand side.
And there's Trump pontificating about the rank unfairness of what's being done to him.
Dr. Gorka deposited completely conveniently and inspiringly, photobombing him as only Dr. G can do in a wonderful way, showing his support for the boss.
So here's what we're going to do is we're going to talk about some of this today.
A lot of trial stuff, but a lot of other stuff as well.
I think there are a few things in the news.
I do this for a living so I could talk about all of them with you.
The ridiculousness of the International Criminal Court.
What even is that?
Engaging in the worst kind of both-sides-ism, the worst kind of moral equivalency, with arrest warrants for Hamas, yes, but also arrest warrants for Bibi Netanyahu, who has essentially told them where they can place them.
Also, the commencement address that will not die, the Harrison Butker remarks, just loved it, loved it, and I love in particular just the heads exploding across the spectrum of the left in reaction to a conservative Catholic offering remarks at a conservative Catholic school.
Wow, who could have expected that?
And campaign developments throughout, you know, here we are under 200 170 some days to save the country.
How's that all going to go?
It appears that one of the impressions that is gathering some steam about this trial
objectively is that the result, I mean the result's important, Trump is either a convicted
felon or he's not, I know that would make a big difference to me, but
politically it simply may not matter.
And isn't that a kick in the head?
Isn't that the complete ultimate testament to what a complete... I was gonna say it's a box of nothing, or it's a zero, it's a cipher, it's meaningless, but it's way worse than that.
Because if something is meaningless or a zero or nothing, if it's nothing, it's nothing.
This is a net negative.
It is a stain on America's judicial history that this is being done.
Alvin Bragg is a cancer on the judicial scene, as are some of the other persecution prosecutors, you know, the Fonny Wilders to the Jack Smith.
So it's a net negative. It's terrible what's happening. Yet if there is a silver lining,
it is that we're going to make it not matter. The court of public opinion is in session all the way
to the November 5th. Our jury deliberations will take all the way to November 5th. And the verdict
that we deliver on the 5th of November will be, excuse me, a massive middle finger to all of
these people who are doing this to him.
We're going to make them not just irrelevant.
We're not going to make them a zero, or a cipher, or a puff of smoke.
We're going to identify them as the scourge that they are.
So, the plan for today, our first hour, lots of open season.
I got some, clearly I have some thoughts to share, and I'm already underway, so isn't that great?
We also have the phone number 833-33-GORKA.
833-33-GORKA. 833-33-GORKA, which is 833-334-675-7000.
675-424-3215.
I want to hear from you.
In the first hour, lots of latitude to stretch our spread our wings and talk about some stuff.
Anything that I brought up, how you think this trial is going to go, whether the pendulum may swing.
I mean, can we ride this train indefinitely of the trial, not only not hurting him, but in that uniquely Trumpian way, helping him, solidifying the
base, energizing the base.
Is that ice that can crack?
Or is this just the way it is?
833-33-GORKA.
I have, I wrote a number of places where you can find my writings.
I crank stuff out for Newsweek on the Newsweek.com opinion section and also in the Fort Worth
Star-Telegram and along the McClatchy chain of newspapers, the Kansas City Star, Miami
Herald, Sacramento Bee, The State in the great state of South Carolina, various other things
The most recent thing I did was what I consider to be the definitive column on the Trump vice presidential selection.
Those who know aren't talking, and those who are talking don't know, with one possible exception, and that's Dr. Gorka.
I think he might have a pipeline that's a little more reliable than the average Joe.
But I have what I've sort of called my Fab Five, and they fit within the following just within the following realm, the following description.
There's a lot of discussion over what the Trump VP pick ought to do. Should it expand his
appeal as if his appeal needs expanding?
Black folk, other folks of color, women folk, all kinds of people, not traditional Trump supporters,
not even traditional Republicans, are starting to gravitate toward him.
Because if you have eyes to see and a brainstem to process, you can see that the Biden presidency is an unmitigated disaster.
I just keep going back to this NBC camera crew that went to like a barbershop in Queens, nothing but young black guys sitting around, and they all said, they were like 22 to 28, and they said, listen, we remember two presidents, Biden and Trump, and with Trump we had money.
Well, so did we all, to a better degree.
Anyway, so it's, oh, by the way, Thursday, Thursday night, If you're in the South Bronx, first of all, be careful, but
there may be one really safe and wonderful place you can go.
The Trump Rally in the South Bronx.
I think 6 o'clock local time on Thursday, so look for a video on that everywhere, but
MSNBC.
Speaking of coverage, on MSNBC and CNN, they have been just desperately trying to cobble
together some way for this case to make sense.
It is an ultimate fail.
Anyway, all right, MyFab5 and then we'll hit the break and then you can add to it, subtract from it, whatever you want to do.
I don't know if we're going to know before July the Republican convention, the one without
riots, that'll be in Milwaukee, but I have two Floridians, DeSantis, because I think
they've made nice, and Byron Donalds, Congressman of Florida.
Trump would have to move his residency to New York, but wouldn't that be delicious
if he did?
Wouldn't it just be great?
Listen, New York acquits him or whatever, or convicts him, and he moves there anyway
for election purposes.
To Arkansans, Tom Cotton and Governor Sarah Huckabee Sanders, and, completing my Fab Five, Senator J.D.
Vance of Ohio.
Add to the list, or subtract from it, whatever.
Mark Davis in for Seb.
833-33-GORKA!
833-33-GORKA. Be right back.
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you It is America first with Dr. Sebastian Gorka, but not today.
Mark Davis filling in, but I've buried the lead because when I'm here it means Dr. G is not, except he's going to be.
When he comes out of the courtroom, which could be the end of our second hour together or the beginning of our third, he promises, and we're going to hold him to this, That he will join us and regale us with stories of what it was like to be inside Judge Marchand's den, inside that frozen foods warehouse that is that fetid little courtroom where President Trump is forced to be shackled metaphorically instead of being out campaigning.
But the thing is, he campaigns going in and going out every single day, and the media culture is just forced to carry it.
Anyway, let's hop some calls.
It could be about Trump's VP choice.
It could be about Middle East.
It could be about developments going on today, etc., etc., etc.
Got just pretty well free reign of whatever y'all want to do here on America First.
Mark Davis joining you from Big DFW, where I'm the happy morning host at 660 a.m.
The Answer.
We are starting out in the fine capital city of a state that's been ruined by the left, and that is Sacramento, Line 3.
Brian, welcome.
Mark Davis in for Seb.
How are you doing, sir?
Good, Mark.
Thank you for sitting in for Dr. Gorka.
As far as the Hashmani case, I was listening to a conservative show which carefully went
through the credentials of all the jury.
I'm positive there's a handful of them in that jury that are professionals, and they
could see this through as a political in nature case.
And also the sham of the witnesses, the stolen Daniel and then the corrupt attorney that
lied and cheated and stole.
It should be obvious that he could be, President Trump would be acquitted.
And as far as the VP, I have my heart set on DeSantis, because it has to be somebody
that could be a president as well.
It's somebody ready on day one.
Listen, President Trump... Brian, thank you very much.
President Trump may outlive us all.
I'm 67.
He may live to be 112, never hitting a treadmill and eating nothing but Big Macs.
He has something going for him.
It's just that Trumpian energy that doctors may never be able to figure it out.
But, in all honesty, he will turn 80 The year after the inauguration.
Right?
June 14th, birthday.
So, you got that.
Which is, by the way, why we were just talking off the air with the team about some folks.
You know how much I love Dr. Ben Carson?
He's 72, and I don't think we can come at America with two septuagenarians.
So, that is why I think my entire Fab Five, which does contain DeSantis, which does contain Byron Donalds, which does contain Sarah Huckabee Sanders and Tom Cotton and J.D.
Vance, I mean, they're babies!
They're whippersnappers, but they've all put something on the table in a pretty short amount of time to make them not just ready to be president on day one, if God forbid it should be necessary during this second Trump term, but it also sets them up to be the standard bearer of the party moving forward.
We're talking about somebody who may be president Until what, 2037?
I mean, because here's 2024, and then the person would run, would presumably run and be the probably odds-on favorite for 2028, and then would run for re-election in 2032, coming out by constitutional necessity in 2036, and so inauguration day of 2037.
I mean, let's say that, let's say it is Senator J.D.
Vance of Ohio.
who's what, what is he, 39?
He'll still be young by the time he finishes being VP and two of his own
terms, if that's what, if that's what he winds up getting.
So it's so youth and it's funny, just as for Biden, the number's not his problem.
B was 82.
His age is not a problem.
William Shatner is way older and he's still sharp as a tat.
Chuck Grassley still has his marbles and he's 90.
Bernie Sanders is a communist who's wrong about everything but seems to have the energy and the functionality to do it.
The number is not the problem.
When it comes to choosing somebody who is Whatever we'd want to call young enough.
It's not somebody who has to be in their 30s or 40s, just probably somebody who's not in their 70s.
And I got to tell you, so there's Dr. Carson, and I can already hear you just yelling at the radio, your friend and mine, Larry Elder.
Listen, whatever Larry and Trump are doing, we should all be doing it because they both appear to be at least 20 years younger.
Let's go to Brooklyn.
Always a good idea.
Line four, no sleep till Brooklyn.
Judy, Mark Davis, in for Sam.
How are you?
Hi, you know what?
I want to address this whole trial thing and what you were asking.
At this point, I think President Trump is in a win-win situation, okay?
Because if he's found guilty, God forbid, this is New York, let's put it this way with no fairness over here, it will anger so many people at the sham of a trial with this rogue judge and his daughter which has a whole business Lined up just to, you know, whatever.
And plus, you want to talk about hush money?
Let me tell you, New York Democratic Congressman Dan Goldman, it was just discovered a few days ago.
I think it was like Friday.
There was a reporter said that she found out that he also he sent like a few hundred thousand dollars to this rogue judge's daughter to her private home address.
OK, not to her normal place of business.
And he also Uh, kind of did not write the firm's full name supposedly because she felt that he's trying to like hide from the FCC because there's some sort of uh, you know, hush money kind of thing.
You got to figure out what's going on over there.
And then if he's found innocent, then for sure it's a win.
So I kind of think he's going to win no matter what.
No matter what, you know?
Judy, that is astute analysis.
If he is acquitted, that's a great day for Trump.
If he's convicted, he may win 40 states.
And I'm not even really kidding.
Last thing with you, as an astute plugged-in New Yorker, a couple of names are on the possible Trump VP list.
Lee Zeldin, Elise Stefanik.
How do they grab you?
You know, something is so hard to tell because you want you want to have a ticket where you can get the most electoral votes and the most, you know, where everyone you've got, you want to attract as many people that normally wouldn't, you know, vote for one place, the other.
So it's a hard call.
But you know what?
I at this point, you know, all these names you brought up, I think are great.
I was a little bit shocked with DeSantos, but the truth is he is a great governor.
But I don't know.
We'll see what happens.
That's for sure.
Judy, God bless.
Thank you very, very much.
Appreciate it, appreciate it.
And I know there was, it got a little tense there between Trump and DeSantis.
But gee, when's the last time you heard desanctimonious?
I think that's been put on the shelf.
Why?
Because DeSantis is now all in for Trump's re-election.
It was always, Kind of odd, at least to me.
I mean, I know why a lot of folks in the MAGA base, for them, DeSantis was the competition.
So you have to dispatch the competition.
To Trump, he was competition who had to be dispatched.
And guess what?
He was!
So is everybody else!
And so now, everybody I guess except Nikki Haley, who I believe absolutely will full-throatedly support Trump and endorse him at the convention, if not sooner, With Trump, I'm in Texas, right?
Ted Cruz was running against Trump.
Now Cruz is fine with Trump.
Rick Perry called Donald Trump a cancer on conservatism and then turned around and served in the cabinet.
If there is anybody who is a master of the transactional repair of a past chilly relationship, it's Donald Trump.
So I don't think Trump or DeSantis have anything, any problems with each other anymore at all.
Doesn't mean he's gonna pick them, we'll see.
Mark Davis in for Dr. G, back in a moment, stay here.
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It is America First on a Tuesday, 21st day of May.
Mark Davis in for Dr. G who is slated to join us in, let's call it the third hour, as he emerges from a day of being there in person in support of President Trump.
Can't wait for that phone call.
More of your phone calls coming in just a second.
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All right, let me thank some folks for some calls.
Let's go to Line 3, Livermore, California.
Ray Mark Davison for Dr. G. How are you on this Tuesday?
Welcome.
Doing great, and it's great to have you, Mark.
If we can't have the doctor, you're definitely our first choice for a fill-in.
Thanks for being there.
Thank you very much.
You bet.
And while we're talking about VPs, I want to shoot this in real quick.
Harris is already beginning the nudge out.
I saw an article in Red State that said she's willing to run For governor of California, which means they have given her a deal.
They're trying to move her out of the way, and Joe will be moved out of the way also, but that's not what we're talking about.
Okay, it might be now, but go ahead.
PP picks.
They keep telling Trump he's got to pick a woman, a black, a moderate.
He's got to balance the ticket.
I think those are the wrong things to look at.
We need to look at who is presidential in the event that Trump is no longer able to be president, God forbid, and who is MAGA.
Who is MAGA?
And out of that group, You mentioned Larry Elder, definitely MAGA.
But I think Byron Donalds is our pick.
If anything, he's more MAGA than Trump, if even possible.
And he has from the bonus column, he's black.
So I don't think we should pick someone because they're a woman or because they're black.
But in today's politics, that's what we have to do.
We're forced into this this situation, so to speak, by how the media gauges
everything.
Well, it's funny. It's not that we have to, but there's no denying that it probably helps,
and it may not be a terrible thing that it helps. I mean, I don't mind, because for example,
I've got Byron Donalds and Sarah Sanders on the list. It wouldn't kill me if it were Joni Ernst.
You know, Kristi Noem was fine before she put a bullet in the dog's head and committed suicide by
But any woman that I put on the list, or any person of color that I put on the list, that's not why they're on the list.
They're on the list because they have the right mind, the right heart, and the right spine.
If they happen to be female or happen to be not white, hooray!
And if that helps, then great!
It'll be an interesting calculation that he makes in that regard.
Ray, thank you.
Appreciate it very, very much.
A quick theory as we get to our next break and come back and return to your calls.
Again, 833-33-GORKA.
I don't know anymore if a black running mate brings you the black vote.
I think the Trump track record brings you the black vote.
I don't know if having Sarah Huckabee Sanders or Joni Ernst or Elise Stefanik, I don't know if that brings you women.
I think Trump's record brings you women.
I think women with a brain who realize how terrible the Biden era is.
Brings you Trump votes.
I don't know if geography even matters anymore.
Just picking somebody from an Arizona or, you know, Governor Yunkin in Virginia, let's mention, who I think would be great.
Does that bring you Virginia?
I don't know that it does.
I think Trump, through the force of his record, brings you Virginia, if they have the eyes to see.
Mark Davidson for Dr. Gorka.
Be right back.
Thanks for watching!
you you
Bye.
Thank you.
Thank you.
It's the Christy Noem theme, she's gone.
Sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
She's a lovely woman, has a great future ahead of her somehow, and a good governor and a decent person, but wow, just wow.
Doing a little Trump VP talk, who's on the list and who's decidedly not.
And a number of other things, obviously keeping track of the trial, developments in that regard.
Mark Davis in for Dr. Gorka.
Who will join us?
I'm thinking.
Think of it at the beginning of the third hour, if not a little earlier.
By the time we get to the third hour, we should be deep in the recollections of and the testimony, you might say, of Dr. Gorka from the courtroom where he has spent the day with Donald Trump.
A room where he simply should not be.
Every time going in and going out, it's kind of funny, it's become sort of standard fare, which by the way is genius navigation of the gag order, the completely unfair unconstitutional gag order.
The president comes out and he just has a stack, like somebody's got a printer, the sheets are probably still warm, coming off some Hewlett Packard printer of everything that Jonathan Turley has said, everything that Andrew McCarthy has said, everything that Mark Levin has said, everything that that Alan Dershowitz has said. Not everybody is a
conservative Republican in that analyst field that knows what a complete sham this is. And he just says,
hey, here's what somebody else said, here's what somebody else said, here's what, might not be
me saying it, here's what they say.
But then he does say, and it's funny, I've had people ask me, how can he just slam the judge
like that when there's a gag order? Because the gag order doesn't involve the judge.
He can't go after Stormy Daniels.
He can't go after Michael Cohen.
He can't go after the witnesses, also known as the people who have smeared and slandered him.
He's not allowed to say one word in reply.
It's insane.
If there were a gag order that said, look, everybody shut up, I think that's still a constraint on their free speech, but at least it would be even-handed.
This is neither, and it's a complete aberration.
But no judge wants to ever come across as saying, hey, here's a gag order, you can't talk about me.
Because that makes the judge look like he has thin skin.
Yesterday, Judge Marchand looked like he just had a large, or at least a medium-sized, psychological meltdown, clearing the courtroom with Costello as a witness.
What?
You know, it was very De Niro.
Are you talking to me?
Are you looking at me?
Are you rolling your eyes at me?
It's like, what is the deal with this guy?
People have noticed in some of the rulings on Judge Mershon, from Judge Mershon, that I think it's like nine, there have been like 10 total things, and nine of them went the prosecution's way, and one of them went the defense's way.
One thing that decidedly did not go his way is the testimony that we will not hear from a gentleman named Brad Smith.
Got time to do this?
Yeah, let's do it.
Then we'll hop to a call here.
Brad Smith has history with the FEC, the Federal Election Commission.
The same FEC that took a look at all of this nonsense and decided, eh, we're good here.
Chose not to pursue it, but Alvin Bragg did.
Gee, I wonder why.
So what Brad Smith would have done is describe the nuts and bolts of actual election law.
And what his testimony ultimately might have revealed is that the payment to Stormy Daniels, which was due at some late date in October, was not due to be reported until after the election anyway.
So this intent to deceive, this dark conspiratorial plan where Trump was trying to just make sure that nothing came out that might adversely affect him before the November election.
It wouldn't have been reported until after the election.
Anyway, the entire thing is moot.
The entire thing is ridiculous.
The entire thing is a stain on America's judicial history.
All righty, let us roll to... Line two is in Minneapolis.
Sharon, hey!
Mark Davis in for Seb.
How are you?
Hi, Mark.
This is Sharon.
I just don't understand why people aren't putting General Flynn's name at the top of the list.
He's been loyal to Trump.
He has integrity.
He's a man of action.
He knows the intelligence community, defense, and the Pentagon.
He has world experience.
He knows the players.
He knows the landscape, and he's not intimidated.
I think he's perfect.
Completely correct.
completely correct on all the above, but the question you asked is a good one, is what
keeps him off the list.
Two things put you on the list.
One is stuff Trump says about you.
If he's ever said, hey, I think Sharon in Minneapolis would be a good running mate,
bam, you're on the list.
The other one, I guess, would be probably conservative media speculation.
And there hasn't been a lot about Dr. Flynn, fairly or not.
And Trump hasn't mentioned him either, so that's probably why.
But I share your glowing review of his credential.
Sharon, thank you.
Let us head to Pittsburgh.
Boy, let's see if this is on the birth certificate.
Blaze, welcome to the show.
Mark Davison for Dr. G. How are you?
Oh, that's on the birth certificate.
I'm not Barack.
But anyways, I'm the best.
I'm telling you, this guy, I'm 62 years old.
Colonel Allen West.
is a true patriot of this country.
He loves America.
He doesn't look at a person's color and sees them for the color of their skin like the Democrat Party does.
The guy is just somebody to take over the reins once Trump is done being president.
And it's somebody that he'll draw the black vote because he's an upstanding, uh, he served his country.
He's just everything.
He's quick.
He's knowledgeable.
Everything about the guy is all-American.
He's the all-American Trump's VP.
I always put on True Social every day, Colonel Allen West, you know, for our VP, hoping that Trump will see it.
You'll get some love there.
And you've identified a perfect example of somebody who you don't pick because, hey, he's black.
You pick him because he's Colonel Allen West.
And the blackness is just a bonus.
And Blaze, I appreciate it very, very much.
Thank you.
A word or two about Colonel West.
Friend of mine, neighbor of mine.
And you know what gig he currently has right now?
Just a few miles east of the studio in which I sit, Allen West is the freshly elected chairman of the Republican Party in Dallas County.
So in a blue county in a red state, Colonel West is going to try to do something about that.
And I would not bet against him.
Let's, rather than, we'll hop back to calls.
I don't want to give anybody short shrift.
Let us take, let me give you another 45 seconds.
Again, the gentleman said that he would, quote, bring the black vote.
Maybe, I don't know.
Most black folks hate Clarence Thomas, but love Bill Clinton.
Which is proof to me, and I know that's a very broad brush, which is most, right?
Which is proof positive, and this is a good thing, that race just doesn't matter that much anymore.
That it's not even about skin color anymore.
It's about ideas, it's about politics, and I'd rather have stuff be about politics than about skin color, quite frankly, wouldn't you?
So let's get our last break in here, come back, take a final call or two, and see what happens after that.
Mark Davis in for Dr. Gorka.
Happy Tuesday, glad you're here.
You're welcome.
Happy Tuesday.
Bye.
Welcome back to America First with Mark Davis.
But just for today, in for Dr. Gorka.
And I'll tell you, if Dr. G can't be here in the chair, there are two things that are like the next best thing.
One is welcoming his bride.
Katie will be along with us for a segment next hour.
She and Jennifer Horne have a wonderful podcast you need to know about.
And if Dr. Gorka can't be here as your host, the next best thing is welcoming him as a guest on his own show, which we will do as soon as he comes out of the courtroom with Trump where he has been.
He'll join us.
Look for that in the third hour.
Before I get into my topic, I'd love to weigh in on the VP sweepstakes.
Dave, thanks sir, appreciate you waiting.
Nice to have you on.
Mark Davison for Sabbah, how are you?
Yeah, before I get into my topic, I'd love to weigh in on the VP sweepstakes, if you
don't mind.
Of course.
Sure.
So, if I had the ability, and I don't, to influence whom President Trump picks, I would
ask him to make sure that they are not a neocon.
And lots of the people you put on that list voted to send endless pots of money to Ukraine.
I don't really think it matters.
Like who?
Tom Cotton.
I don't think he's a forever war acolyte, and J.D.
Vance certainly did not.
But I understand.
If that's a bright line for you, I totally understand, and I don't totally disagree.
Go ahead, who else?
Yeah, thank you.
No, again, I don't think anybody has ever voted for a VP.
I don't think it matters.
And President Trump, at age 80, can run circles around me, and I'm 54, so I don't have any issues with that at all.
Indeed so.
Right.
My topic was I wanted to shout out to Dr. Gorka.
Saw him this morning on Bannon's War Room and I'm so proud that he's standing in the
gap and I've asked myself this for, what is it, three years now.
How come we don't have any members of the gullible Republican Party doing that for our J6 political prisoners?
And why is it there's only, pick a number, ten Congress people that go there?
And they just started this the last week after Admiral Bannon called them out on the airwaves.
And unfortunately, you know, Dr. G is another Breitbart guy.
They're standing in the gap for us.
But where's the rest of the conservative media?
And again, where's the rest of the gelded, old, pathetic GOP party?
I'm sick of it.
I'm glad we're changing... You know the answer.
Because they perceive that there's a cost to that.
They perceive that by showing up and simply saying, you know, if these people broke a law, okay, let's punish them.
Let's have a proper wheel of justice turn at its normal speed, deliver some consequences so we can all get on with our lives.
But they know that they'll instantly be branded as insurrectionists and will probably be invited to fewer Georgetown cocktail parties.
You know the answer to that, Dave.
So with that, I need to scoot, but I appreciate you and thank you.
Appreciate everybody in your involvement this first hour.
In the next hour, we have guests to welcome.
More of your calls to entertain at 833-33-GORKA.
You may go ahead and place those on Trump in Court, VP Derby, anything else you want to do.
I'm here for you.
Mark Davis in for Dr. Gorka.
And Dr. G will join us in the third hour, fresh out of the courtroom.
So lots more to come.
Stay here.
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I I'm Sebastian Gorka and this is America First with our very special guest host, the voice of Dallas, Mark Davis.
Thank you, Dr. G, and we look forward to you joining your own program.
I'm thinking about an hour from now.
Why am I here?
I know listeners across America asking, why is the Texas talk show guy in for Dr. G?
And the answer is that Dr. G is doing maybe the one only other place that he'd like to be other than here, and that's in court with Donald Trump.
Been there, in support, got his back, standing behind him figuratively and literally.
can only imagine in particular what today has been like.
The judge and the attorneys have been talking about jury instructions which
are usually just a mind-numbing dull exercise by rote. We all know it. Let's
get to it. But not in this case because the jury instructions may be the first
time that the jury actually hears what some of the facts in the law are with
regard to this mysterious second crime that has to be established by the
prosecution in order to have any of this from Alvin Bragg even stick.
So I got a lot of things to say, but what a wonderful stroke of timing that we have right here.
Because one of my favorite guests on America First with Dr. Gorka is also one of my favorite guys who is writing one of my favorite books in the 2020 campaign, author of A President Like No Other, straight out of Canada, the great Conrad Black is here.
Welcome, sir.
Nice to have you.
Thank you, Mark, and thank you for your flattering introduction.
For a while, I was wondering who you were speaking about.
Is there someone else in the room?
Is there somebody else on the line?
No, sir, it is indeed you.
For the unfamiliar, let's sort of go chronologically.
Take me back to 2020.
What was it, from your perspective, led you to write A President Like No Other as the 2020 election season dawned?
Well, it actually started when one of the publishers, Regnery, invited me to do something for the midterms in 2018.
So I did, and then I updated it to 2020, and it looked to me like Trump would be re-elected.
And frankly, I'm not a conspiracist, but in an election where there were 81 million unsolicited ballots sent out under substantially obsolete I mean, there were always a huge number of people moving or, you know, dying or entering on to the voters' rolls or something, you know, so it's never really exactly right.
And where you had 81 million of these ballots sent out and no verification procedure and no scrutinization as they were just dumped into drop boxes after Election Day, or after the polls, the authentic polls had closed, In an election 50,000 votes switch in Pennsylvania and two other states, you know, you can't be sure who won the election.
That's the most moderately I can put it.
But on election night, it looked like Trump had won.
And then all of a sudden, we had these colossal returns coming in in Mr. Zuckerberg's drop boxes at four o'clock in the morning in rural Pennsylvania and so on.
And, you know, the whole thing was dodgy.
But the fact is, Trump had an excellent record.
people are now looking back on it and recognizing that it was an excellent record.
He was harassed all the way with what we now know to have been absolutely unprecedented
and completely illegal disruptions of his campaign in 2016 and his presidency, where
the leaders of the national and central intelligence agencies and the FBI collaborated in putting
what they knew to be a farrago of lies commissioned and paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign
and the Democratic National Committee into the public record as authentic intelligence
and therefore not requiring journalistic follow-up to check it, fact check it.
I mean, and then these, you know, the phony Russian collusion business and the fake impeachment and so on.
You know, I thought this was an uplifting story where, you know, I understand some people
find the public personality of Donald Trump abrasive or tasteless even.
But a president who has delivered, done well, done what he said he would do in very difficult
circumstances, made gratuitously difficult by his opponents, and in a way with no precedent,
And then all of a sudden he didn't win.
And your listeners know as well as you and I do what's come afterwards, but it is a compelling story.
I mean, the fact is, I don't want to be dramatic, but are you a constitutional democracy or not?
And that is a question that is, I think, in the minds of a great many people as we watch this preposterous case in New York coming to an end.
An absolutely ludicrous, spurious indictment.
A rabidly partisan district attorney.
A rabidly partisan judge.
Both of them doing things that, frankly, in Britain or Canada... I'm a citizen of both countries and a member of the British Parliament, as you can tell from my heavy English accent.
Of course.
Like your heavy Texan accent.
Exactly.
In Britain or Canada, the judge and the prosecutor would be disbarred.
And, you know, the system is straining the guardrail.
So it's a very important time, not only because of the stark difference in policy between
the two apparent candidates, but because the U.S. has got itself to a point where there
is a legitimate question about its standing as a fully functioning constitutional democracy.
It's got a criminal justice system where the conviction rate is 98%, 95% without a trial.
It's a country with 5% of the world's population and 25% of its incarcerated people.
And, you know, it's a great country, and it's a democracy, and Americans can run their country any way they want, but these are These are real alarm bells ringing, and we've got to see how it ends up.
Personally, I always have confidence in the U.S.
I think it'll be a happy ending, and some of the worrisome aspects will recede.
But this is a very crucial time.
Well, it seems like there'll be a happy ending politically, no matter what.
If Trump is vindicated, that's a boost to him.
If he's convicted, he wins 40 states.
And I may not be kidding.
We were talking about that sort of just before we went on the air.
Describe to me the phenomenon by which a trial which was perceived by his tormentors as a guaranteed albatross, an anvil tied around him, has backfired so spectacularly.
Yeah, it's a fascinating process.
And in my opinion, a very reassuring one, because what has happened is Look, I don't want to oversimplify it.
I don't want to say what's happened.
It's a terribly glib thing to say.
Obviously, an election in a country of a third of a billion people is a very complicated business.
But the Trump that Trump haters hate isn't really there anymore and has been replaced by a Trump who, even though he's an ex-president and a billionaire, uh... is fighting for his life against what most people can
see is very unfair persecution
and fighting with energy and courage and and even a good sense of humor still
and people identify with that i mean you can't take that everyone likes an
underdog fighting for a good cause
and um...
and the other side of it uh... is that uh...
this lawfare campaign is so outrageous it is so egregiously obvious
as to the uh... the perversion
of the justice system to turn the Justice Department and some of the state attorneys
into effectively arms of the dirty tricks division of the Democratic National Committee,
that the election is in part turning into a referendum between those who, whatever they
think of Trump, are more appalled at this perversion of the justice system than they
are by any reservations I might have about Trump.
And on the other side, those who are simply so antagonistic to Trump that they will endorse even this terrible malformation of justice To keep him out of the White House, and fortunately, and to the credit of the country, it seems that the first group is steadily pulling away from the second.
There are fewer and fewer people who can't stand the idea that Trump is president, and more and more people who either like the idea on its own, or prefer Trump as president with a rejection of this corruption of the justice system.
to the alternative candidate.
And so I think the U.S.
is in a way giving itself a referendum, but it's winning the referendum from the looks of things.
The phenomenon you describe, I just keep going back.
It's been a couple of more than a year.
There's a podcaster and writer named Jason Whitlock, who is sort of 50-50 on Trump policy wise, you know, mostly a sports guy, but lately more of a culture and topical guy.
And I think he was a guest on Tucker Carlson.
And he said, Tucker, It was on the day when this indictment came down.
He said, I'm about halfway on Trump.
I'm for him on some issues and against him on others.
And I have no idea what I think about him personally, but tonight I am hardcore MAGA.
And he said his reason was because this just shouldn't happen to people.
This just should not occur.
And listen, we've got about 35 seconds before we break.
The good news is we got more, another segment with Conrad Black.
So let us come back with this fine gentleman and some more of his thoughts on the trial in particular, the debate that looms large, boy does it, and various other things in the passing parade of events.
Conrad Black with us, Mark Davis in for Dr. Gorka, who will also join us once he emerges from the courtroom.
Trump may come out of the courtroom here in just a little bit, we'll have audio of that eventually, but Dr. Gorka with his testimony as we progress on this Tuesday on America First.
Stay here.
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It is America First with Dr. Sebastian Gorka, but today with guest host radio guy Mark Davis from 660 AM, The Answer, in Dallas, Fort Worth.
And we are in the great company of Conrad Black.
And listen, if we're going to plug a book he wrote four years ago, President Like No Other, we probably ought to plug one that's out right now.
And it's a shame he can't do anything ambitious.
It's the Political and Strategic History of the World, Volume 1, the first of three.
Conrad, tell us what's in Volume 1.
As far back as you can go in history in the Middle East, India, and China, and have it authenticated history.
Occasionally I make reference to folkloric things, but basically I'm not going to speculation and legends, just what we can authenticate.
And from there, take it up in all three places.
But basically the West, and that volume gets us to the death of the first Roman Emperor Augustus in 14 AD.
That may seem ludicrous, it would take one big volume to get through that, but believe me, by the time you get through the Persians, the Greeks, the Egyptians, the Jews, half of the Romans, Syria, Babylon, as well as India and China in that period, it's an awful lot of history.
And surprisingly interesting history in places.
By the time you're finished with this, what do you think will be the lesson, the ways in which our current historical and strategic illiteracy will have ill-served us with regard to Russia, China, Ukraine?
Take your pick.
What do you think, what do we have to learn most from your perusal of that?
What Henry Kissinger used to say, you've got to know something about the history and geography of the other important national groups, and then you know what they're, historically, what they really aspire to, and how much you can give them and keep them reasonably happy.
And what the dangers are, I mean, just depending on the institutional system they built up, of them getting into really sociopathic hands.
I mean, nobody could have predicted that the culture of Goethe and Beethoven could be taken over by the Nazis.
It was an impossible thing to believe until it actually happened.
It is not the case, unlike what Arnold Toynbee says, that history always repeats itself.
Countries rise, plateau, and fall.
That is not the case.
There are similarities, but they don't always repeat themselves.
And the United States is not in decline.
I mean, it's plateaued at this point, but it may rise further.
But all this glib talk by people who don't know anything about it, comparing the U.S.
to the late Roman Empire, is absolute rubbish.
I mean, in one sentence, the reformers in the Roman Republic, I'm sorry, the late Roman Republic, the reformers in the Roman Republic, Tiberius and Gaius Gracchus, they were like the Roosevelt's
and the Kennedy's, they were murdered.
They weren't given a chance to reform the system, to keep it popular.
They were murdered, and then every time Rome was challenged, they had to rely on a great
general to save them, Marius, Sulla, Pompey, and then Julius Caesar.
And they did save the country, but the loyalty of their army was to the generals and not to the system.
And so you had a kind of system of juntas.
Now, the United States is not remotely in that position.
the Constitution is still functioning, and the military still take their orders from
the civilian leadership.
And the United States isn't at this point anywhere in the world where it's not there
by invitation.
You know, it's not like the British Empire, which did a good job of it, but ultimately had no business occupying most of Africa and South Asia and a lot of other places.
I mean, nobody's demanding that the Americans leave the way Gandhi demanded the British leave India, and it isn't in decline.
It was only in decline if, for some reason, the people keep elevating leaders who don't Do their jobs well.
Now, I'm afraid that is something, I don't want to be provocative here, but that's a statement that could be made about the incumbent.
But he and possibly President Carter are the only ones in my lifetime, going back to Roosevelt, of whom that could be said.
I think all the others were from competent to outstanding.
There is something that I'm going to do in these last couple of minutes that completely outweighs every other question that I was thinking of asking, and it's because you have awareness of life under the British crown.
It's a complete left field out of the ether question, and I just want to throw it to you because I can't think of anybody better to do it with.
Fire when ready, Ridley.
Well, that is precisely the analogy that's proper here.
There are, I believe, we're up to five American tourists.
Facing up to 12 years in prison in Turks and Caicos for having a bullet in their luggage.
What manner of anti-gun lunacy, born of the British crown, makes that happen?
I don't think you can blame that on the British Crown.
That is some local nonsense.
I speak as someone who has at times had a bank account in Turks and Caicos, and it is in fact, you know, it's not an independent place.
It's the British Empire.
It's governed by the United Kingdom.
It's not like the Bahamas, for example, which is an independent country.
And that is just some local prosecutor who's flipped his cork.
And if those people have any kind of counsel, they should raise that with the British Embassy in Washington, because that's nonsense.
Well, I tell you what, having dealt with the conciseness that I needed, it gives us a couple of minutes to kill, so let me have you handicap, if you will, the June 27th mano a mano of Trump versus Biden.
How does this look on paper?
Well, I think it is an advantage to Trump that they're cutting the mics for the person who's not speaking.
Because I think his problem in the first debate he had with Biden was he, he, I think Chris Wallace was very partisan, but with that said, Trump appeared to be bullying Biden and interrupting him too much.
I mean, you know, the idea of a debate is both, you know, both parties speak and they both have a right to speak.
Now, with that said, I don't know anything about what the medical profession can do to torque up a person who does have some sort of attention deterioration.
And I'm not being snide here.
I mean, we all have people in our families and so on who go through this.
At a human level, I feel for it.
I mean, I may get there myself, but on the other hand, that person should not, in my opinion, Seeking re-election to the world's greatest office, and one that has been occupied by some of the greatest statesmen in the history of the world.
But if they can torque the President up so that he's absolutely alert and articulate, I still think Trump will win.
But if they can't do that with President Biden, it is going to be a disaster for him.
Because, you know, I assume that he's in You know, reasonably good form and well-rested when he goes out and speaks with a teleprompter in front of him to his partisans, and often that comes to grief, you know, it becomes absolutely incoherent, and the public don't have to see too much of that before they conclude, look, he may be a fine man, he may have done good things, anything of that may be true, but he's not the man for this election.
And I think they only accepted the debate because they're really scared that somehow Trump offends people.
Something had to change the narrative.
Conrad Black, go get the book now, Political and Strategic History of the World, and make sure you download The Scholars and Sense, a magnificent play on words offered by, apparently, Bill Bennett, who is a part of that, along with Victor Davis Hanson and our guest, Lord Conrad Black.
What a pleasure to talk to you, sir.
Thank you so very, very much for your time.
We will take our bottom of the hour pause and then come back and wedge a little content.
If Trump pops out, we'll listen to it.
We're just moments away from hearing Mrs. Gorka, Katie, and her podcast partner, that we'll learn something about.
And maybe 30 minutes away from Seb, fresh out of the courtroom.
So stay here.
Thank you.
Shh.
Thank you.
It is America First with Dr. Gorka, and Dr. Gorka will indeed be joining us.
That is his promise.
I expect to hold him to it as he comes out of the courtroom.
Trump himself may come out of the courtroom here in a bit, and we'll either live or on very recent Memorex have that there for you.
And then Dr. Gorka will join us with his testimony of what it has been like to be in the courtroom with Donald Trump today, which is why I'm here.
And what an enormous pleasure it has been to join you today.
Lots more to come, including the Mrs., Katie Gorka, with a wonderful podcast that she has, and she and her co-host will be with us here in just a few minutes.
And of course, your calls are welcome at 833-33-GORKA, 833-334-6752.
As we get back into topical matter, let me hit a pause button with you for just a second, and I want you to think about summertime when you were a kid.
How carefree and how wonderful was it?
You would just vanish into the ether, you know, see at dinner time, mom, and off you go.
It was if it was the kind of carefree existence that I had, you were blessed indeed.
Now I want you to think about some kids who are in a very different situation.
Kids who have a parent in prison so chances are life's gone off the rails in some way already there in their particular homes but then you take the notion of the struggle of you know being six or eight or ten or twelve and and dad's in jail or mom's in jail i mean the challenges just mount by the day
That's why I want you to take part in Dr. Gorka's annual campaign to help do something life-transforming for kids in this particular situation by joining with our friends at the non-profit Prison Fellowship to send these kids to Angel Tree Camp where you don't just get camp and being outside and being with friends and having some semblance of normalcy but you also get Some faith-based exposure, some scripture, some Bible, some Jesus.
It's just the greatest thing for these kids.
And the greatest thing you can do is help it happen.
Go to SebGorka.com.
SebGorka.com and click on that Angel Tree Camp banner.
Can you do that, please?
Your help is urgently needed as we hear from Angel Tree's Betsy Wright.
We have so many kids out there impacted by incarceration, and we have so many willing camp partners across the United States.
We have camp partners in 49 states this year, and that's the first time we've been in that many states.
So we're hoping to get so many kids to camp this summer, and your listeners have been so So faithful over the years to give and we couldn't do it without your partnership and those faithful listeners who give every year and maybe this year we'll have a lot of new first-time donors for this and we know that God will bless that gift and multiply that gift.
So now my question is, what are you going to do if this has touched your heart at all?
Please go to SebGorka.com, click on that Angel Tree Camp banner, or if you'd rather do this by phone, 888-206-2794.
That's 888-206-2794.
Together we can make this the best Angel Tree Camp year ever and do something for these kids who need our help so urgently.
Dr. G thanks you.
I thank you.
Ultimately, it is these kids who will thank you most.
888-206-2794 or sebgorka.com.
All righty, as we await Mrs. Gorka and a segment featuring the podcast that she is a part of in our next segment, let's do some quick Middle East because, hey, that's still happening.
First, let's do President Biden.
Let me be clear.
to sound tough, try to do something, something that seems supportive of Israel as this joke
of an international criminal court issues arrest warrants, yeah, for Hamas, but also
for Prime Minister Netanyahu, the Biden reaction, cut number one.
Let me be clear.
We reject the ICC's application for arrest warrants against Israeli media.
Whatever these warrants may imply, there is no equivalence between Israel and Hamas.
And it's clear, Israel wants to do all it can to ensure civilian protection.
But let me be clear, contrary to allegations against Israel made by the International Court of Justice, what's happening is not genocide.
We reject that.
We will always stand with Israel and the threats against its security.
Just wow.
Can we have the debate tomorrow?
He's getting older by the day.
You do know that, right?
What will they amp him full of to have him get through sentences in the English language on June 27th?
I don't even know.
We will always stand with Israel, he said.
Really?
Let's go to Bibi Netanyahu on GMA this morning talking about his view on this notion of arrest warrants for him.
Cut number three.
Well, I think this is absurd.
This is beyond outrageous.
He said that we deny water.
He's making a totally false accusation here and everywhere else.
We are supplying now nearly half of the water of Gaza.
We supplied only 7% before the war.
So, this is completely opposite of what he's saying.
He's saying that we're starving people.
You know, we have supplied half a million tons of food and medicine with 20,000 trucks.
This guy is out to demonize Israel.
He's doing a hit job.
I'm gonna make this really clear.
No administration that sends somebody to Israel every week to try to talk them out of winning the war can be said to be supporting Israel.
Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka on America First.
We'll be right back.
So, um...
I'm going to go ahead and end this, and I'm going to go watch a movie.
I'm going to go watch a movie.
Well, you're going to be glad you happened onto the show right now, because your timing is awesome.
Coming up, first of all, Dr. Gorka, obviously not here.
The reason I'm here, Mark Davis, your Texas talk show buddy, from 660 AM, the answer in DFW is because Dr. Gorka is doing the Lord's work.
They're in the courtroom with Trump, and first we'll get Trump coming out.
Might have some audio of that here in a bit.
And then Dr. Gorka himself is going to call us and tell us what it's been like to be in the courtroom.
But you know what?
You know what the problem is with this show so far?
I've loved it.
It's been great.
Too many dudes.
We have got to even this out a little bit.
So let us welcome Mrs. Gorka, Katie Gorka and Jennifer Horn, who are there to bring you the Happy Women podcast.
And those look like happy women.
Welcome, ladies, if I may still say so.
Great to have you here and welcome.
Great to be here.
Thanks, Mark.
So Katie, you and I have something in common.
We are both big fans of your husband.
And so it's just, it's great to have you.
So, so how did this, and then I'll talk to Jen about this as well, but how did this whole podcast thing come together?
So Jen and Sebastian have known each other for a long time, and then it sort of eventually led to me and Jen talking to each other on a regular basis on her radio show.
I don't even know when we started, but I am a huge Jennifer Horn fan.
I just think she is one of the greatest broadcasters that we have working today.
And she and I had so much fun talking to each other.
We said, let's figure out how to do more of this.
And so we decided to create the Happy Woman podcast.
And Jennifer and I have a lot in common in terms of, you know, hello, radio station service.
Tell everybody some of the outposts where you've been and some of what you've done.
And then we'll talk about what you guys are going to do in the podcast.
Yeah, so I am happy as people listening here know because Dr. G is so nice and welcoming me around.
I host The Morning Answer with Grant Stinchfield in Los Angeles on AM 870, AM 590 The Answer and so because of that work I met Dr. G and of course Katie and I. We were talking about how there's really a hole in The culture for programming developed kind of for women, but also, you know, we're not man haters, Mark.
We love you guys.
So we want everybody to take something from this podcast.
We love to feature people who are active, who are getting involved in the political process.
We love to feature some incredible stories.
And then also talk a little bit about pop culture, about academia, about some of the big issues that I think a lot of us sit around our kitchen table and talk about.
Well, let me ask you guys, because there's a lot of conflict and controversy there shouldn't be over what makes a happy woman.
Harrison Butker delivered some thoughts about what makes women happy, and that doesn't mean that's true for everybody.
But what do you guys make of the savagery that's been pointed toward him for saying, hey, professional exploits are great, but being a wife, being a mom, that's more of what life's about.
And so, of course, he must be destroyed.
Well, yeah, we actually Go ahead, Katie.
Oh, no, go ahead.
So we just did a whole episode on that because we think it's such a compelling conversation.
We actually both loved his speech, you know, and I think if the haters were at all reasonable, they might have simply said, hey, let's acknowledge that not all women necessarily want to live that way, or not all women are meant to have kids, or not even necessarily all women are meant to get married.
But is the left ever reasonable?
No.
And so the poor man must be cancelled.
But I thought he had a great statement.
And, you know, a big part of what we think also makes for happy women is women who are engaged in their communities and making the world a better place.
And so that's a big part of what we do.
We highlight those stories.
Well, Jennifer, let me ask you, because this is a weird thing.
People presume, they presume things racially, like all the people of color have to vote Democrat.
Women are going to decidedly lean Democrat this election, but it might not be 80-20.
So what do you say when someone just delivers the broad brush thing, uh, women hate Trump?
Well, the conservative ones don't.
Please expound.
And please, I have loved President Trump since I saw him come down the escalator.
I mean, I've been talking about the appeal of Trump for a long time.
But I will tell you, as a woman in Los Angeles who is a Trump supporter, rabid and a rabid conservative, like, you know, I'm not afraid to shy away from commentary.
I mean, you get called all sorts of things.
You must be doing that because your husband tells you to.
I mean, it's like, you know, going back to Harrison just for a second, because I think it all is related.
It used to be that feminism was just about uplifting women, but now apparently it's only about uplifting certain women.
So no matter who we vote for, no matter what we say in life or make our choices based on whether or not we're going to focus on family, Or career.
Or both.
We should all be uplifting each other.
I mean, it's just so crazy to me that only certain groups of people get a voice and everyone else must be silenced.
Well, so many of these women's issues really are human issues that I, even as a man, I get to have an opinion.
Katie, for example, wouldn't you say that one thing that would make women happy is no longer having to compete against men in athletics?
Oh, that is a subject I am so passionate about.
I was a college athlete.
I was a beneficiary of Title IX.
And I just cannot believe the way the Democrats have gone and erased the gains for women.
And now this crazy, the crazy new rules for Title IX are going to erode those rights even further.
So yes, we need to get back on track on that.
Let me ask you guys both.
Jen, you first.
If you were sort of in the close advisory circle of Trump, maybe he's already doing it.
Maybe the fact that women have a brainstem and a set of eyes and ears to hear and they see society crumbling.
What would you like Trump to do to give him a better shot at a higher percentage of the women's vote November 5th?
I think he's going to shock you, Mark.
I think he is going to shock all of us.
I think he is going to do extremely well with black men.
I think he's going to do extremely well with Latino voters.
And I actually have faith that he is going to do a whole lot better with white suburban women.
And the reason that I know that is because if you can tell me one woman who is happy with Joe Biden's economy right now, I mean, I'll give you a million dollars.
I don't even have it.
But I know there's not going to be one person out there who's going to say this economy is stellar.
Give me more.
They know what President Trump did.
They know what they were paying for groceries.
They know what they were paying for gasoline.
You stick to those issues and it doesn't matter anymore about the personality.
Joe Biden's not burning it up either.
They're going to vote for someone who is going to make them have an easier path moving forward.
And Katie, last thing, because there's Jen in California, there you are in Northern Virginia in the D.C.
suburbs, liberal enclaves.
And by the way, congrats on the gig there, the Fairfax County GOP.
Describe to me, as a conservative woman in enemy territory, how do you plow through that challenge?
Oh, you work it!
And it's actually really exciting.
I am surrounded by incredible people of all stripes and all ages, all races, all ethnicities, all economic classes.
People are really fed up.
And whether it's simply because of the ideological stuff that's going on in the schools, or whether it's because of the state of the economy, Or the fact that we've gotten embroiled in all kinds of foreign entanglements and the world seems to be falling apart.
I see huge support for Trump here.
And as one colleague said to me the other day, he even thinks the establishments are coming around.
I am one happy man.
Glad to point you to the Happy Women podcast.
Katie Gorka, Jennifer Horn, be right back.
Thank you.
Welcome back to America First with Mark Davis.
But just for today, but just for today, Dr. G is coming back and Dr. G is on the show next hour, or so we were told.
Now there's some logistics at play here.
Donald Trump came out of the courtroom just a few minutes ago.
Dr. G visible directly behind him.
We always love that.
There's There's motorcades involved, there's logistics, there's probably no small amount of schmoozing as both Trump and Dr. G, known to draw a crowd.
So as soon as he can break free and call us and tell us what the day has been like, I think that's a call we can take.
Meanwhile, there are calls we can take from you at 833-33-GORKA, 833-33-GORKA, which is 833-334-6752.
We've done some Trump VP Derby.
Who do you want?
43 Gorka, which is 833-334-6752.
We've done some Trump VP Derby.
Who do you want?
Who do you not want?
What do you make of the fact that this trial is failing so spectacularly?
I know that it's depressing as an American to see our judiciary tainted like this, but if the silver lining is Trump wins 40 states because everybody's so hacked off about his victimization at the hands of the persecution prosecutors, On balance, I'll take it.
Here's some other things we'll take.
An opportunity to take a look at Trump in court.
I think this was yesterday with one of the golden quotes.
If there's a montage and an endless loop of Trump quotes as he has held court in the courthouse lobby, Cut 11 is one of them.
I'm not even being charged for it.
They didn't know what to judge me.
They haven't even charged me with the crime.
You know what the crime is?
I beat Hillary Clinton.
That's what the crime is.
They don't want me to beat, on behalf of I think 200 million people, they don't want me to beat Biden.
The only thing I did wrong was beat Hillary Clinton.
Indeed so.
And if there's other courthouse audio and video we ought to take a look at, it seems like we ought to see Dr. G there on the ground in the key location this morning.
His whole life on the line for the American people.
When he came down that escalator, he probably had no idea that he was going to be called to be the man in the gap to stand up for Americans.
And he's standing up for you, even if you don't know it.
I don't know who's next.
Would a member of the ruling class be facing 730 years in prison?
What a pathetic question.
730 years in prison, and he's a member of the elite?
That's pathetic.
You're not a journalist.
That's such vintage Dr. G. By the way, that is a clip that contains two, count them two, personal friends of mine.
Dr. G, of course, you know who that guy was up front?
If you don't know him, you should.
That is the Lieutenant Governor of the great state of Texas, Dan Patrick.
Our Lieutenant Governor, And Trump are like this.
It's inspiring to see.
In fact, listen, our governor, you know, listen, when I'd sit there and make this video, there's only one reason why our governor, Greg Abbott, another friend of mine, wasn't on my immediate Fab Five list of running mates, is that Governor Abbott has shown like zero interest.
He's been so great on the border, clearly has to be considered as a possible net plus for Trump in the running mate slot.
All righty, let's see how quickly can we get Dr. G on the phone next hour.
But you're there in the meantime.
1-833-33-GORKA.
Be right with you.
you. Mark Davidson for CET.
Thank you.
I'm Sebastian Gorka and this is America First with our very special guest host, the voice of Dallas, Mark Davis.
Why thank you, doctor.
Appreciate it so much.
And I look forward to hearing his voice not on tape so graciously left for me and thus for you, but also live from New York from the motorcade, from a hotel lobby.
I have no idea.
Dr. Gorka is in New York where you spent the day in the courtroom in front of Judge Mershon and this jury.
And what in the world was that even like?
Well, he will tell us apparently in just a little bit this hour.
So that gives us the opportunity to do a few things in anticipation of Dr. G's visit to his own show.
First of all, Mark Davis.
Hi!
Morning show at 6.60 a.m.
The Answer in Dallas-Fort Worth, where we are just heavily festooned with hot topics every morning.
And this morning a lot of it was about the ongoing ridiculousness of this trial.
In fact, let me lay out some of the topicality that's already in my head and give you the opportunity to weigh in, if you're so inclined, at 833-33-GORKA.
833-33-GORKA, which is 833-334-6752.
You can follow me on Twitter, or the old ex, or whatever you're calling it, at Mark Davis.
Appreciate it very, very much.
And as we take a look at a number of things, here's just sort of the topical You know, Mount Rushmore for today.
The ongoing trial and its ridiculousness.
It is simultaneously terrible that it's happening and yet wonderful the way that it's backfiring.
Which one do you think rules the day once we get to an actual verdict?
Do you believe?
Here's if there's anything that this trial The trial itself has rolled out to me, going into the trial.
Remember, we're all sitting around talking about, I think I did this show as the trial was beginning, sitting in for Seb and on my own program and said, look, this is just going to be terrible.
What did we all say?
You can't get a fair trial on the island of Manhattan.
It's a Trump-hating enclave.
There's no way in the world.
The fix is in.
And I believed that.
And by the way, that may ultimately be the case.
Or, or if there's one heroic juror, if there's one man or woman in there who says, guys, I may not have a higher opinion of Trump than any of y'all do, but that's not what this is about.
That's not what we're about.
This is about whether the prosecution has made its case.
And they simply have not.
I can not vote to convict.
We need one juror to say that.
And he walks.
If the trial ends in a hung jury or, and listen, I dare we dream, an acquittal, wouldn't that be something?
That would be sweet vindication for President Trump and certainly a boost for him on the campaign trail.
If he is convicted, he may win 400 electoral votes in 41 states.
And I'm not really kidding.
I'm about half kidding, but only half.
And by that I mean, there are people, I keep making the Jason Whitlock observation, a guy who's about 50-50 on Trump, politically and personally, but said on the occasion of the arrival of these sham charges, he said, tonight I'm hardcore MAGA.
And it's not because I've suddenly turned into a complete advocate for everything that Trump stands for, but I'm completely an advocate against what's being done to him.
And I think there's been a lot of resonance as President Trump and a whole lot of people like Seb and like me have said, if they can do it to him, you know they can do it to you.
If the system, if the swamp, if the judiciary, if our institutions can be weaponized against a guy who was president of the United States and who's trying really hard to get that gig again.
It's the easiest thing in the world to take out a radio guy.
It's the easiest thing in the world to take out a mom.
Who's an activist at a school board, because this is why these jackals cannot be allowed to win.
This is why they absolutely must be thwarted in this attempt.
And so there we are.
And I have a feeling this is going to be a very, very interesting couple of weeks, this week and next, as we see what the jury actually, actually does.
Let's take a look at some of the cuts that the staff has given me.
Jeff has given me such wonderful, wonderful stuff about what people say, what people say on the right, what people say on the left.
And some people, you know, you got your Bill Maher, who was on with Gutfeld last night.
That was kind of fun.
And you got your Jon Stewart.
Jon Stewart is a dyed-in-the-wool lib, but loves veterans causes and stuff like that.
And unlike a lot of people on the left, does seem to be actually funny every once in a while.
Cutsex is Jon Stewart talking cancel culture. A fascinating barometer is do
you think cancel culture exists? It's an obvious yes.
The left is obviously doing it.
So what is it that gives you a clouded vision of this like the otherwise fairly astute Jon Stewart?
Roll it.
But contrary to conservatives' victimization complex, there is no organized cancel-culture conspiracy where even the slightest misstep can 100% get someone on the right canceled.
Actually, there is one.
Congresswoman Liz Cheney gets kicked out of Wyoming's Republican Party for opposing Trump.
Yeah, as irony would have it, it turns out that when it comes to cancel culture, the ones who smelt it, dealt it.
There is someone cancelling people on the right.
But the only one cancelling people on the right is Donald Trump.
Uh-huh.
Liz Cheney got exactly what was coming to her.
That was a marketplace consequence that happened to Liz Cheney because she is a turncoat and a traitor.
And I don't mean a traitor to Trump.
Personally, I don't care if she likes him, doesn't like him.
It was an abandonment of conservatism.
She got exactly what she deserved from the political marketplace.
Cancel culture is when somebody is Unfairly, unduly robbed of a platform usually a show, a gig, a twitter feed just for something they said that the
The Keepers of the Keys didn't like.
You know, the people who manage your platform didn't like you, so they kicked you out.
Or the people who run your network didn't like you, so they kicked you out.
That's what cancel culture is.
Having invoked Bill Maher, this is Cut 7.
I think this was him on Gutfeld last night.
The thing about Bill, if you catch Real Time on HBO every Friday, it's fairly remarkable watching a guy who absolutely does remain an old-school liberal Admitting some conservative things.
In this particular case, though, he's just got to admit something that you could almost say is medical.
Cut seven.
I mean, look, he's almost the same age as Biden, but Biden presents as old.
Yeah.
Ancient.
Yeah.
That does not look old.
No, it doesn't.
He does not present as old.
Yeah.
I mean, he he's he's like he's like Kiss.
He puts on the wig and the face paint and it's 1976 all over again.
Those were the days.
I can't not like the guy.
I will tell you that in that appearance on Gutfeld, the thing that has endeared me to Bill Maher and a lot of other conservatives is over the years, first of all, he had a show called Politically Incorrect and got fired from that show for having discussions that were politically incorrect.
It was weird.
He's a free speech advocate.
He is against woke culture.
I think Bill Maher knows how many genders there are, so congratulations, congratulations, congratulations.
But those of you waiting for Bill Maher to be Trump's running mate will have a little bit of a wait, because the appearance on Gutfeld last night, which I'm really glad happened.
I'm an enormous fan whenever there's sort of cross-pollination of liberals going on conservative networks and vice versa.
You know, when MSNBC calls, CNN calls, I am in.
I've had a lovely, lovely time, and largely, funny, treated with respect when I show up.
Don't know why that is, nothing magical about me, but I think it's a good idea when there is dialogue.
But on that segment with Gutfeld last night, he said, listen, Trump is like a danger to democracy.
The biggest story in the world, the biggest story in the country is that he never conceded in 2020 to which Gutfeld said he left.
Conceding is packing your stuff and leaving the White House.
Not conceding is come drag me out of here with tanks and armored vehicles.
He didn't do that.
What I guess Bill Maher means and what everybody else means when he says that Trump didn't concede is it means that he did not Admit that 2020 was properly found.
He does not admit that Joe Biden is the properly, legally, numerically, reliably determined President of the United States.
And huh, that is a view of, I'm thinking, at least 70 million Americans.
And you know what?
The earth still turns on its axis.
The Constitution still functions, even as ugly and nasty as January 6th was there for a few hours, and that was not good.
Within a few hours, the process was working again.
Insurrection, my foot.
Alright, let's see if Dr. G is soon on the horizon, or maybe you are, at 833-33-GORKA.
We can welcome everybody!
Mark Davis, in for Seb on America First.
You You
When will we hear Dr. Gorka again?
And that answer is right now, because the reason I'm here is he's there, as in the courthouse, where he has spent the day with Donald Trump.
Dr. G, welcome to your own show.
How you doing, sir?
Thanks for having me on America First and you're doing a great job as usual.
And thank you, Mark, for making it possible for me to be here with the president all day.
Take it chronologically, the motorcade in what were the what was the imagery as you walked into this refrigerated hellhole?
Well, we started the day nice and early at Trump Tower, meeting the president and then moved in the motorcade across New York blasting through the red lights with the police escort, then we arrived here, and it was just unbelievable.
Think of the worst horror stories you've heard about this court, about the corrupt judge, and then just multiply that by a thousand.
That's what we witnessed today.
One of the many things I can share with you is this document that I received from the president's team.
It's on all my social media, on my substack.
This is a 40-page federal document from the Southern District of New York prosecutors.
These are federal prosecutors, and it has one subject.
The subject is Michael Cohen, and it lists in detail all the crimes this man committed.
Not just perjury, but everything else.
Theft, larceny, you name it.
And this document, which is a federal court document, was presented as evidence, or proposed to be such, by the president's defense team, and Judge Murchan suppressed it.
He said, you cannot enter this federal document into this trial.
Why?
Well, maybe Judge Murchan has something to hide.
Maybe it would adversely affect his daughter's multi-million dollar business, Through which she has raised more than 91 million for the Democrat Party.
What is Judge Merchant hiding?
This afternoon the jury was excused.
We came back to watch.
Just a show trial, a Kafkaesque argument between the defense and the prosecution in front of the judge as to what instructions will be given to the jury, because the bulk of the trial has ended.
Now come closing arguments with the judge's instructions.
Of the multiple, we were there for hours, arguing, passing words, what this charge should read like out of the dozens.
...of things that the sides proposed, only one was accepted by the judge from the defense and dozens were accepted from the prosecution.
It's as if, to quote one of the team members here, Judge Murchan is wearing the team jersey of Alvin Bragg and the prosecutors.
It was a show trial, Mark.
It was just a political show trial.
Part of the ridiculousness of this is the degree to which Judge Mershon has made clear his biases.
There was this gentleman, Brad Smith, who would have delivered testimony as a Federal Election Commission guy that there really wasn't even going to be a campaign violation because the reporting on the $130,000 wasn't due until after the election.
All kinds of things that simply make this case collapse.
Describe to me the difference between watching it collapse on TV,
watching it collapse by keeping track of the coverage, and watching this spectacle in the room.
Well, on this point of Brad Smith, the leading expert on federal election law,
that man, when he was proposed as a witness for the defense, The judge said, no, no, no, he can't come in here and talk
about his expertise.
If you want him, he can come in here and read the federal statute.
We'll allow him to read the statute, which is, of course, the opposite of what an expert witness does, because anyone can read the law.
You bring them in for their expertise.
That tells you everything you need to know about Judge Mochan.
What was it like to sit there?
It's a sad day for me.
You've got to remember, Mark, I'm an American by choice.
I'm a legal immigrant to what I consider to still be the greatest nation on God's green earth.
And to see election, it's not election interference, it's election theft.
What's happening right now is the stealing of an election before even the first ballot is cast.
That's what we're witnessing.
Look at the polls.
Look at the children in Harlem shouting, we love you, Trump.
Look at what's happening across the nation.
The firefighters in New York, as he delivers pizza, saying, save us, Mr. President.
100,000 people coming out.
Where?
In Texas?
No.
In New Jersey, in a Democrat state.
They know that they are going to lose the election if it is fair.
As a result, they want to put President Trump in prison before the election, or worse.
What did we just hear about the raid on Mar-a-Lago?
The authorization, not by that clown Merrick Garland, he's a meat puppet, he's a nobody, but of course by Lisa Monaco, Obama's former counterterrorism advisor, who is really the Attorney General at DOJ.
That woman authorized the use of deadly force on a raid, but documents in a former president's home that is guarded 24-7.
By the Secret Service.
What were they expecting?
A shootout between Secret Service and the FBI?
We have arrived, Mark.
We have arrived.
This is a show trial that is being used to steal an election before the first vote has ever been cast.
Let me ask a last thing, born of your experience, your eyes and your ears being there.
If it were permitted, you know there would be 75,000 MAGA hat-wearing people ringing that courthouse where you're standing right now.
Describe to me how close supporters can even get, and what kind of hermetically sealed environment is it going into and out of that courthouse, where we see him hold court every day.
Look at the barricades.
Look at the barricades for block.
This is the courthouse right behind me.
For blocks around the courthouse, we have barricades.
You can't get close to it.
Even the press is behind a barricade.
They know that if New Yorkers who want New York and America back were allowed to come here, they know that they would be here in their tens, if not hundreds of thousands.
That is wrong.
This should be televised.
And people should be allowed to come here.
But no, Eric Adams and the Democrats are doing the orders of the people in Washington, D.C.
Well, last thing, got about 60 seconds.
I've been mixing it up with your listeners and we'll do another half hour of it as well, right on the heels of our conversation.
Do you feel like this is a narrative that will continue?
That if he is acquitted or if there is a hung jury, that will be a boost to his fate.
But if he's convicted, he may win 40 states.
Yeah, I don't know who said this analysis first, but they're absolutely right.
Whether he's convicted and it's quashed on appeal or whether he is found to have a hung jury and at least one person says, no, this is insane.
He wins either way.
Either way, it looks utterly transparent that this is a goat rope.
This is insane.
This is political.
Or they say what?
The persecution is out of control and saying a Democrat come over to President Trump.
So either way, the Democrats have screwed the pooch on this one, Mark.
Well, this is the part of the show I look forward to the most, to have Dr. G on his own show.
Thank you so much for the privilege of being here and for the audio and video here on Salem News Channel of seeing you there.
Safe travels.
Had a great chat with Katie, by the way.
She's awesome, but then you know that.
So, thank you so much again.
You spoke to the boss.
Thank you, Mark.
God bless.
And thank you.
I did, indeed.
When Seb talks about the boss, is he talking about Trump or is he talking about Katie?
Well, I'm talking with you next.
Grab a line.
833-33-GORKA.
Home stretch of you and me here on America First.
I'm going to be a little bit more specific, but I'm going to be a little bit more specific.
I'm going to be a little bit more specific.
Dr. Gorka just joined us.
How awesome was that?
You heard it, you saw it here on the Salem News Channel.
That was great.
A little phone video from right there by the courthouse.
How did that strike you?
What are your thoughts?
833-33-GORKA, 833-33-GORKA on Trump's continuing court adventure, on his VP selection.
Who do you want on the list?
Who do you not want on the list?
And various other things in the news are ready to talk about all of those with you.
833-33-GORKA.
For just a second, let me talk to you about something very, very special that Seb wants me to share and that I'm glad to share as well.
Here we are springtime heading into summertime.
And I don't know about you, but when I was a kid, I'm riding bikes and I'm playing with my friends and I'm playing baseball and just doing all that carefree stuff in the golden era before anybody ever dragged our lives into the world of cell phones.
And it was just a really idyllic and fantastic childhood that I was blessed to have.
Maybe you were too.
I hope so.
Let's spend a moment talking about kids who have been dealt a really, really horrible hand.
Because through no fault of their own, they are without one parent, maybe both, because one parent, maybe both, are behind bars.
So clearly, something bad has happened.
There's already a challenge.
It's not the kind of Ozzie and Harriet childhood that you might otherwise envision.
Is there something we can do for these kids?
Turns out there is!
The Prison Fellowship is a magnificent campaign that we engage in every year and Seb has an annual campaign to do something life-transforming for the child of a prisoner by joining with our friends at the non-profit Prison Fellowship to send kids to Angel Tree Camp.
It's camp.
It's something like they've never had the chance to do before.
It's just a, even a momentary respite, a vacation from the hand that they've been dealt.
And I want you to listen to a lady who works with the whole Angel Tree operation.
Here's Betsy Wright.
We have so many kids out there impacted by incarceration, and we have so many willing camp partners across the United States.
We have camp partners in 49 states this year, and that's the first time we've been in that many states.
So we're hoping to get so many kids to camp this summer, and your listeners have been so So faithful over the years to give and we couldn't do it without your partnership and those faithful listeners who give every year and maybe this year we'll have a lot of new first-time donors for this and we know that God will bless that gift and multiply that gift.
So did you hear Betsy talk about the first-time donor?
Hmm, is she talking about you?
I would suggest that she is.
And let me make another suggestion.
Go to SebGorka.com, click that Angel Tree Camp banner, and let's give these kids a rest.
Let's give them the Word of God.
Let's give them the out-of-doors that God made as an opportunity to lift them up In their tough times.
So can we do that please?
SebGorka.com.
Click that Angel Tree Camp banner or give them a call.
888-206-2794.
888-206-2794.
Together we can make this the best Angel Tree camping year ever.
And that's SebGorka.com to do that.
Thank you.
All righty, so right before we were talking to Dr. Gorka himself outside the courthouse, guess who came out and had a few words inside the courthouse?
That would be the boss, the other boss, Donald Trump coming out of the courthouse moments ago.
I just want to say that he thinks that this case is a collapsing of its own weight.
This case is a disgrace to our country, to the state of New York.
Never said anything like it.
Stephen Calabresi, it's an outrage that the district attorney brought this case and that the judge did not declare a mistrial.
For how disrespectful.
Stephen Calabresi.
It says an outrage that the district attorney brought this case and the judge did not declare a mistrial.
And everybody's saying it.
In one form or another.
Andy McCarthy.
What they have, this kind of a case, is that the federal prosecutors in my old office, the Southern District of New York, wouldn't take it in the first place.
They would not take it.
The Southern District turned down this case.
And the case that Cy Vance looked at and wouldn't take it, and the case that Branko himself looked at in 2022, they shut it down.
And this is what we've been wasting all this time on.
So, not to interrupt the president, but let me ask you something on the heels of what he is, what he's doing going into and out of court every single day.
It has resulted in, we have the spectacle inside the courtroom that only those who have been allowed in there can see, like Dr. Gorka, so thankful for his testimony.
Just once again, I mean, I'll give this speech once an hour every day of every show I have.
It is insane.
That there are no cameras in this courtroom.
It is the public's business being done in there.
And whether or not those cameras would lift up the side that I care about or not, it's the public's business being done in there.
Can you imagine how conversant we would all be if we could see this sham in daily video?
We're talking about it with you.
A number of other things, too.
833-33-GORKA.
Mark Davison for Seb.
We'll be right back.
Thank you.
Mark Davis filling in from 660 AM The Answer here in Dallas-Fort Worth.
A little sweet Dallas skyline behind me, if you're wondering.
It's the Nation's Bank Tower, festooned in green so planes don't hit it.
Anyway, what we have here is an opportunity to, here in the world of conservative talk radio, obviously there are a couple of things that we can do, and everybody does their shows differently.
But one of my favorite things is, of course, to welcome views that I agree with.
Obviously, calls that agree or disagree are all welcome.
833-33-GORKA.
If you want to hop in here in the final couple of segments of the show, 833-33-GORKA.
But in terms of looking for audio and looking for video and things to play, say, hey, look what this person said.
Sometimes it's something inspiring that a conservative says.
Sometimes it is the abject pain and panic of a Democrat.
Welcome to the latest from James Carville.
Now, this is not James Carville from 1992.
This is not the guy... Remember the D.A.
Pennebaker documentary, The War Room?
Remember that?
Because there's young Stephanopoulos.
What was he, 14 at the time?
And Carville...
Who I guess at that point was in his 40s because he's in his 70s now.
Speaking of people who just are not holding it together well and maybe the stresses of the gig are getting to him.
Carville is realizing, a little earlier on we played Bill Maher on with Gutfeld on Fox last night saying the whole age thing is not working well for Biden.
Here's Carville saying the same thing and he's got a little more skin in the game.
Go.
I hear this a lot.
They're frustrated.
And I do think the president has to deal.
The age issue is suffocating him and he needs to bring up that he's only four
years older than Trump and Trump had his goons steal his medical records out of
his internist office in January, 2017.
Um, I hear this a lot.
People lamenting Biden's infirmity, his senility.
And then they say, as James just did, he's got to do something about this.
What exactly is an octogenarian in full mental decline supposed to do about the sorry status quo?
Is there a meeting that they can gather together to suddenly make him seem like he is more lucid and coherent?
Obviously, as they did for State of the Union, they can shoot him full of something.
Oh, oh, oh, oh.
You want a lightning round talk show topic?
Here we go.
833-33-GORKA.
Let's do this real quick.
833-33-GORKA.
Drug test for the debates.
Insane or fantastic idea?
Trump literally, and I don't know if he was kidding, I don't think so.
I'm not.
I think it's a great idea, even if it's just political theater.
Trump should submit himself, just open his veins to every drug test they want to give and call on Biden to do the same.
One of two things will happen.
Either he will refuse, which will look weird, Or he'll do it, meaning they will not be able to give him whatever potent cocktail they gave him to get him through the State of the Union.
The debate ain't gonna be the State of the Union.
Ain't no teleprompter at the debate, at least that we know about.
Ain't no earpiece at the State of the Union either.
They need to do something about that.
But again, debate night drug test.
Good idea?
Bad idea?
And do you think it's even remotely possible that it will happen?
833-33-GORKA.
I'd love to take just a quick walk through some of your thoughts on that here in these closing minutes.
The reason that it's just sort of sad and futile as people say these things, another thing they say is what Joe Biden needs, you know, with the narrative as crappy as it is for him, what the president needs is some exciting, bold, new initiative.
What's that going to be?
Open the borders more?
Rape our economy more?
Betray Israel more?
Even though the college kids and AOC might like that.
What in the world is he supposed to pull out of some orifice to suddenly improve his lot in life?
What can the guy do?
Especially when, and you know, I take I don't take pleasure in this.
I really don't.
It's the president of the United States.
The worst thing I ever want to say about a president I didn't vote for is, wow, that guy's wrong about everything.
And he is.
Cut 9.
I don't ever want this to happen.
Here is Biden at the White House, and he's trying to pay tribute to someone being held by Hamas.
It doesn't go well.
Watch.
My administration is working around the clock to free the remaining hostages, just as we have freed hostages already.
And here with us today is Hersh Goldberg-Poland, and still, he is not here with us, but he's still being held by Hamas.
It's like, wasn't there a member of Congress who they called, who he said, who he recognized, who was like killed in a car crash a couple days earlier?
Yeah, I see dead people.
I see dead people.
This is bad.
This is really, really bad.
All right, tell you what let's do.
Let's hop to some calls.
I asked for them, so let's go ahead and do this.
We are in Cleveland, Joseph.
Hi, Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka.
How are you?
Can you hear me good or should I take you off the speaker?
You sound fine.
Go for it.
Okay.
I just wanted to say something about the whole Israel and Palestine thing.
Actually, what we should be saying is Israel and Hamas.
What those cowards did on October 7th, there's no justification for that.
I don't care what you've been through, what's been done to you or your people.
You don't kill innocent people.
You don't kill women and children.
You just don't do that.
Wait, wait, wait.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
What are you referring to?
As to what they did on October 7th.
But in the same sense in my heart, you have to say what Israel's done.
I mean, come on now.
That's where I sensed you were going.
What exactly has Israel done that is so terrible?
I think they've done what a lot of militaries have done throughout history.
That's where I sensed you were going.
What exactly has Israel done that is so terrible?
I mean, you know, Israel, I think they've done what a lot of militaries have done throughout
history.
They're not the first.
Of course.
It's where you believe that what you have to do supersedes human rights.
The fact that... Just let me finish this thought, that's all I want to do.
I'd like to say something about this idiot we have as president, if you will let me, after this.
All I'm saying is this, is that militaries have done this for eons, as long as there's been war.
Right.
Okay, so if Hamas is using Palestinians as human shields, okay?
That's sad.
But then you don't just say, well, those women and children, you know, they're just as guilty because they can't flee.
Nobody is saying that.
I sense there was a little bit of a disconnect here.
And Joseph, thank you.
I do need to scoot.
But for your benefit or anybody else's, do you know who killed a lot of women and children before I was born, before you and I were born?
The United States of America did.
It was called World War II.
In every just war, there's going to be noncombatant death.
There's no such thing as a war we have fought or will ever fight where there's no loss of life for the innocent noncombatants.
Israel has tried, has bent over and contorted itself in so many ways to minimize noncombatant death.
You gotta know that.
They have a right to defend themselves.
They have a right to defend themselves.
We'll be back.
Thank you.
you you
you welcome back to america first with mark davis
Mark Davis.
I'm going to go to sleep.
Thank you, Dr. G, and the long train that is this show is running into the final station.
Let's do some lightning round.
Got some folks on the phone.
Brevity will serve us all well, and then we'll get on out of here.
We are in line two is Salt Lake City.
Gordon, welcome.
You're on America First with Mark Davis in for Seth.
Okay, that's God's way of saying going to Cleveland.
A lot of favoritism in Cleveland.
Now, Tom, on line one, welcome.
You are here on America First.
Nice to have you.
Okay.
Brevity is the soul of wit, as the master said.
And you sat in for him for a number of years.
And you know what?
Kudos to you.
So, moving on, I think instead of just the candidate and the sitting whatever he is, do a drug test.
I think all of Congress should do a drug test.
In the industry, in America, if you fail a drug test, you might not get the job.
And I think we should know if our representatives are compromised.
Well, it's a nice thought, and it's tempting, and I don't think there's a way to do it, because we don't drug test people against their will.
If everybody agreed to it, I mean, if I go to work for a place and I know they do drug testing, that's me consenting to do it.
I wonder, if we were to drug test 435 members of Congress right now, how do you think that would turn out?
What would those results look like?
I don't think it would go well for them.
That's my opinion.
And, one other thing.
I want to slip this in.
Seb doesn't do t-shirts anymore, but I've got one.
If it's a cult, I'm in.
Trump 2024. Hey, very, that's it. Don't ever deprogram me.
Trump 2024. Tom, thank you very, very much. Appreciate it. Appreciate it enormously. Here's
something you'll appreciate. I always, there's so many good clips. Here's Gutfeld from last night.
And if there's anything that's just crazy in this world, a long list of things that's crazy,
the notion that white supremacy still reigns. Gutfeld has a thought on how to disprove that right
away. You know, if he wants to get rid of the of the poison of white supremacy, he could just
resign and let the black lady take over.
I wonder how the crowd would have taken that.
There were so many things that he said that were just so wrong.
When he said black men are getting killed, who's killing them?
You know, it's like everything he said was like, well, that's either wrong or what are you not saying?
Well, there you are.
So, look, if this looks like it's fun to do, you're completely right.
Whether Seb is doing the show, he's having the time of his life, so am I doing my gig here in Dallas in Fort Worth at 6.60 a.m., the answer.
And, of course, the Republic hangs by a thread.
And, of course, there are things to be upset about every day, but the joy and the privilege of trading opinions with all of you, there's just nothing like it.
And when I get to, you know, come upstairs here in the building here to the world of television on the Salem News Channel and work with Jeff and Eric and Alex and Guy, it's particularly great.
And speaking of the Salem News Channel, go to snc.tv where you can watch like this hour again and dial it back about a half hour where Seb joined us from the courthouse.
It's a moment not to be missed.
All right.
I will see you next time.
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God bless this great country.
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