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April 23, 2024 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Biden praises both sides of October 7th

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	Why is Mike as Jordan?
	Why does he not have a criminal conspiracy investigation from Fonny Willis in Georgia to Big Tish James in New York
	City?
	the Justice Department Why have they not been sent letters, preserve your documents?
	Why have hearings not gone on?
	Why have they not broken these things up?
	You know why?
	Because they don't really have Trump's back.
	They want MAGA to go away.
	They want Trump to be defeated in November.
	Yes, yes, I know.
	I said the quiet part out loud.
	We don't play a lot of cuts from my old boss, Steve Bannon, do we, Eric?
	You don't have a lot of... I go on The War Room every Thursday, but we don't always have cuts from Bannon's show, do we?
	We don't play nearly enough, in my humble opinion.
	Oh dear, I asked the wrong guy, didn't I?
	Oh, if I had asked Alex, it would have been even worse.
	You want me to have, like, simulcasts from Steve's show, wouldn't you, Alex?
	I'm a fan.
	I'm a fan of Mr. Bannon.
	That's okay.
	So that's really interesting.
	I made a comment about Jim Jordan.
	What was it, Jeff?
	Two weeks ago?
	When did Jim Staff get all excited and say, oh, what's Corker doing?
	Can we get him back on the show?
	When was that?
	That was two Friday nights ago.
	Two Friday nights.
	Are they going to get Jim back on the show to explain himself?
	I think they are.
	They were rather receptive to our email back.
	All right, so I'm going to stop laughing, because I don't know if Steve timed this, if he can see through my show notes, or whether he knew who I had a meeting with today.
	The individual will go nameless.
	He's a good guy, and he has declared war on the Deep State, but quietly.
	And, um, the name of Jim Jordan came up in our discussions, who I like personally, but here are some questions, a la Bannon's little, um, diatribe.
	Why isn't the Chairman of the Judicial Committee standing up for the J6s, who are political prisoners?
	Eric, do we have a good answer for that?
	Why is Jim Jordan, Chairman of Judiciary, not standing up for the J6s?
	That's a good question.
	Honestly, the fact we even have to ask that question is indicative of the problem in and of itself.
	Okay, here's the next one for Alex.
	We were told that the FBI wouldn't get billions of dollars at a new FBI headquarters.
	They got one.
	Do you think Chairman Jordan has a good answer for that?
	No.
	I think you're probably right.
	And then how about this one?
	Deep State.
	Deep State is real.
	We had 51 former CIA directors and intelligence officers just before the last election call the Hunter Biden laptop story Russian disinformation.
	Have any of them been subpoenaed?
	And what about criminal referrals?
	Congress can bring civil actions even if Biden's Department of Justice refuses to act upon criminal referrals from Jim Jordan or Chairman Comer or anybody else.
	Congress, there's nothing stopping them.
	Hiring some aggressive lawyers.
	I'll tell them where to find them.
	Maybe they could ask the Heritage Foundation.
	They've got some rather fine individuals there who could bring actions, bring cases against corrupt officials who are still in government.
	Or, hmm, how about this?
	This is a really interesting one.
	The NGOs Who are working with the Deep State to undermine the fabric of our Republic.
	For example, all the NGOs that funneled the $420 million Mark Zuckerberg pushed into the last election to privatize it, to take control of the election, to provide drug boxes in predominantly Democrat districts, or to bring cases about corruption under the color of law against key members who targeted President Trump His associates, his campaign, and innocent Americans, such as Andrew McCabe, such as Mark Elias, Democrat strategist, such as Peter Stroke of the FBI, such as John Brennan.
	Why has that not happened?
	How long have The Conservatives?
	Well, I won't use that because that's not who they are.
	The Republicans had control of the House.
	How long have these individuals, with hours after their name, been in chairman positions?
	Where are the results?
	Could you imagine if they committed the amount of resources and time To this issue that the Democrats did for their fake January 6th committee.
	I just got these figures from my meeting.
	Any idea how much The Democrats spent on the January 6th committee.
	Eric, do you remember how long was the January 6th committee?
	Like a couple of months?
	Maybe?
	Two, three months?
	I think it was a full two years before the Republican majority post-2022 finally got rid of it.
	No, no, no, no.
	The actual hearings.
	Oh, the hearings.
	The January 6th, maybe six weeks, something like that?
	Give or take, yeah.
	Okay.
	They spent Hold on to your horses.
	Sixteen million dollars of our money.
	Sixteen million dollars.
	After we took back the House, instead of creating a separate weaponization of the state as a political tool committee, what did they say?
	Jim Jordan said, you don't need a committee.
	We'll just squish it under Judiciary and we'll make it, you know, a subcommittee under Comer.
	Which means what?
	A fraction of the resources.
	They've spent maybe two or three million with how about this?
	No new full-time staffers.
	No full-time investigators.
	How are you going to investigate the seven-year targeting of President Trump, of his deputies in the White House, of his campaign?
	Jeff, how are you going to target seven years of deep state activity without hiring one investigator or any extra full-time staff?
	It's impossible.
	It's a joke, right?
	You're not serious.
	You don't give a damn, right?
	Especially because the Democrats will have a huge law for him to defend himself.
	Oh yes, they will have lawyers volunteering to work for free working pro bono just to hammer conservatives.
	So, here's the conclusion after my discussion today.
	It's what I was starting to think.
	Comer is actually a good guy.
	Hasn't been given the resources.
	Not a tier one communicator, but his heart's in the right place and he wants to fight.
	Can we say the same about Chairman Jordan?
	Well, let's just look at the results, or lack thereof.
	And if you're listening, staffers for the Chairman, as you were two weeks ago on Friday, the mic still stands open for your boss.
	And we welcome him to come on the show, but he better have an explanation for the egregious lack of results under his chairmanship and since Republicans took over the House.
	Because this is a war, and they are using every weapon in their arsenal.
	And we don't even seem to be on the battlefield.
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	So only six weeks worth of hearing?
	It wasn't more than two months, was it?
	I honestly don't know.
	No, it was.
	It was spread out for like eight months.
	But it was on very few hearings.
	But if you actually add up.
	Three hearings.
	And then you have to do a lot of work to get it right.
	And I think that's a really important point.
	I think that's a really important point.
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	But I do appreciate the branding there.
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	I will be trying these out maybe later today.
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	So don't go anywhere, David.
	Don't go anywhere, Todd, Sean, and the rest of you.
	But first, we have to talk to a man who's Stepping into the arena in a state that wouldn't seem too friendly to conservatives, I recently traveled to the Clackamas County Lincoln Day Dinner to be his guest, and we're excited to get him on the show.
	Brent Barker, welcome to America First.
	Wow, thank you.
	Thank you, Dr. Gorka.
	Thank you for your staff, Jonathan and Jeff.
	I really appreciate you getting me on here today.
	Yeah, we need to get the word out that we have an America First candidate in the state of Oregon.
	I'm running for Oregon Secretary of State.
	It's a big position.
	It has a position of holding the power of the audit and We have a big hurdle ahead of us, but I believe that we have the vitality and the energy to pull this off.
	It's going to be a grand experience.
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	So we have a big hurdle ahead of us, but I believe that we have the vitality and the
	energy to pull this off.
	It's going to be a grand experience.
	I did see your Alaska cruise, and I'm going to look into coming on that.
	That's a tremendous opportunity.
	During your stay in the White House, in your position in the White House as deputy, I was working in the Office of Advance with President Trump over those four years.
	I first met him in, what was it, 2003 at a Trump University learning about real estate and I asked him
	at that time I said sir why are you doing this where are you teaching us
	about real estate this was in Phoenix Arizona and he honestly just said Brent
	I just have I've had a great life and I have to give something back
	That never left me and to this day I've been a supporter of his.
	I'm unequivocally the only America First President Trump supporter in my race for Secretary of State.
	My name is Brent Barker and I'm running for Oregon Secretary of State.
	This isn't some commercial.
	You don't have to read a script.
	This is a little chat and an interview.
	The web page is brentbarkerfororegon.com.
	You can follow our friend at brentbarker2024 on Twitter.
	I have to say, I said this in front of the hundreds of people Who are at the Lincoln Day Dinner.
	You and your colleague who ran that event.
	Stunning.
	Absolutely stunning.
	One of the best I've ever been to.
	Just full of warrior spirit.
	A very spiritual event.
	A lot of faith, patriotism.
	I'm so impressed with the Clackamas County Republicans that I met.
	You did say something interesting in your speech, Brent, and you said it in the break before we came on live, that you're not just talking.
	To Republicans or Libertarians in your state.
	How are you talking to the Democrats?
	What's your pitch?
	What's your angle, Brent?
	Well, first of all, I do believe that Democrats, they have a lot of great ideas.
	I'm not going to discount that because everyone's voice is worth being heard.
	But currently, there's a huge segment of voters, predominantly the conservative voice, that do not believe that their voice is being heard.
	I want to be the voice for all voters All people, all citizens, the entire state of Oregon.
	And in doing that, I think we have to look at our election rolls and discuss those.
	And there are some inconsistencies.
	And instead of doing a cost-prohibitive audit and all this nonsense, because it's way too expensive and it's fallible, reset the entire cast voting record to zero, re-register people, get some IDs.
	Hang on, stop there, because you said this during the dinner and this is very interesting.
	So explain this, because this could have application in many other states of the union.
	Explain the reset to zero.
	Well, resetting the cast voting record to zero eliminates all voters being registered to vote.
	They then go out to register to vote, like going and getting your driver's license.
	And I'm also proposing, I've got a lot of policy proposals, and as being a place where you can champion these ideas, is having a statewide holiday for Voting.
	All federal and state employees have that day off, of course.
	And I do believe this cancels out the argument where it says, well, some people just don't have the opportunity to vote.
	Well, this cancels out that idea as a way in which to work with the majority party.
	I find working with the majority party delightful.
	As a student of Law Dispute Resolution at Pepperdine University, we discuss how to work with adverse groups, bringing them together, having choices, caucusing, committee work, bringing people together because we really do need to unite this country and we need to unite the state of Oregon.
	Being divided and falling apart is no way to move the Republic forward.
	So I am a Republican.
	I am an authentic Republican.
	I'm currently running against a person that runs as a Republican.
	However, he denounces President Trump.
	which is fine, but he has other conflicts of interest and things like that.
	And, you know, I believe that the Republican believes in decorum.
	We believe in following the rules.
	I personally believe in transparency.
	And I think those are the things that we should focus on in our campaign in working with the
	other party.
	I'm working with the — I spoke with the Urban League and the Democrat contenders.
	The other Republican was not there.
	The League of Minority Voters, I'm speaking to them.
	I believe that they need to be heard and their enterprise zones and things like this need to be discussed again because it's kind of lost traction since Newt Gingrich some years ago, which I just absolutely adore.
	Follow him at BrentBarker2024 on Twitter.
	Candidate for Secretary of State in Oregon.
	And the website is BrentBarkerForOregon.com.
	Please give my respects and regards to all those wonderful patriots I met at the Clackamas County Lincoln Day Dinner.
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	Slump and 7%.
	Good.
	All right.
	All right, title for that one.
	Uh, that's just Vimeo.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	Why I'm running for, uh, Secretary of State.
	Oh, Jeff, are you there?
	Yeah.
	He's putting his headset on.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Um, we need to get Dave...
	you you
	Do you condemn the anti-Semitic protests on college campuses?
	I condemn the anti-Semitic protests.
	That's why I've set up a program to deal with that.
	I also condemn those who don't understand what's going on with the Palestinians and how they're being...
	Oh, so you're on the side of the Palestinians as well.
	I guess October 7th was just what?
	Quote-unquote resistance?
	Biden's latest gaffe.
	Unlike President Trump's where he condemned the extremists on both sides in Charlottesville.
	And Biden can't do that because he needs the votes of the Jew haters across America like Ilhan Omar's daughter.
	What was that very heavy beat you played for us, Alex, coming in?
	What was that?
	I think it's from Eric's favorite movie, if I haven't mistaken myself.
	Why are you playing Eric's favorite movie soundtrack?
	Eric?
	What day is it today, Eric?
	Today is April 23rd, 2024, which is the five-year anniversary of when I started working at a little place called America First with Sebastian Gorka.
	Oh my gosh, and what does it feel like?
	Does it feel like you've been here for ten years?
	Yeah, it feels like a lifetime, it really does.
	In a good way, right?
	In a good way.
	I believe the remark I made to you at CPAC when we were waiting backstage to meet with the President, as I said, Seb, five years ago I was an intern.
	Yeah, you got to meet the President, didn't you?
	Yeah, yeah, courtesy of my boss, who's a pretty good guy.
	And Mr. G, do you think he was excited about that as well?
	Well, that also means that five years ago today is when we met Trump in the Oval Office.
	Because that was Eric's first day.
	Yes!
	But we don't want to remember that day, do we, Jeff?
	Sure, we can remember it.
	It was a good day.
	It was a good day, except for the nosebleed, right?
	Seasonal allergies.
	Seasonal allergies.
	His nose started bleeding as he sat down at the Oval.
	He was so mortified.
	He was like, I couldn't care less.
	I don't think the President cared.
	But he was like, oh my gosh, I'm meeting the President!
	Of course, it wasn't nerves, right, Jeff?
	It's too much nose spray.
	Okay, got it.
	All right.
	Happy anniversary, Eric.
	Let's go to your calls.
	Line 2, David, Scottsdale, Arizona.
	Hi, Sebastian.
	How are you?
	Good.
	It's been a long time, buddy.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I listen every day.
	Oh, good for you.
	Thank you.
	Listen, I got a question for you regarding the current Trump trials in the courts.
	Yeah.
	And Sebastian, maybe if you can answer it, if you can answer this question, Let me ask a couple of your great lawyer guests, either Kurt Schlichter or Greg Jarrett, who was on yesterday.
	Yeah, Greg Jarrett.
	Can President Trump sue the people who have brought these lawsuits against him, you know, if these trials find him not guilty?
	Can Trump sue them for defamation and get some of the money back that cost him?
	It's really hard.
	Ever since the Supreme Court decision in, what was it, New York Times versus Sullivan in 72 or 73.
	If you're a public figure, It's almost impossible because you have to prove malintent at the point at which that action was taken by that private individual.
	And how do you do that?
	You can't crawl into somebody's brain six months ago or a year ago.
	You know, David, you know what the revenge will be?
	The revenge will be if we do our part and he's re-elected president on November 5th.
	That's much sweeter than any victory in any defamation case, don't you think?
	I do.
	Right.
	Got it.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Let's stay focused on that, David.
	OK.
	Bye now.
	God bless.
	And thanks for being such a loyal listener.
	Todd, Atlanta.
	Yes, Dr. Gorka, I appreciate your emphasis on Jim Jordan looking at other areas, and I'd like him to look at the Obamanista at the UN, I believe her name's Andrea Pope, that's orchestrating this illegal alien invasion, and perhaps looking into George Soros, the way he's funded these anarchist DAs across the country, and these NGOs that are trafficking illegal aliens and telling them to vote for Biden.
	And I had a bit of praise for Biden and the Democrats.
	You know, when you are a party that has Occupy Wall Street communists, Antifa fascists, BLM bigots and Hamas supremacists, that's the best example of DEI that I could ever imagine.
	Yeah, they do believe in DEI.
	Thank you, Todd, for your recommendations.
	We need to see some results.
	But again, I would say to you, the focus is, of course, November 5th, November 5th, November 5th.
	We can't do anything until we take back the levels of power in the federal government.
	Even then, we're going to have people inside the wire.
	Fifth columnists, subversives.
	Don't forget, we had people inside, in uniform, like Milley, like Vindman, who didn't care what the American people thought.
	Couldn't care less who got 64 million votes.
	They thought they got to decide the future of the nation.
	So we need good men to route out the subversives, the fifth columnists, and then we have a shot for four years of draining the swamp.
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	A dueling narrative has emerged with student protesters saying the anti-semitism is not coming from Columbia students.
	Excuse me?
	Um, Jeff, the anti-semitism isn't coming from the students.
	Where does she think it's coming from?
	Her network.
	I was wondering, you know, if they're gonna, like, Photoshop in somebody with a MAGA hat.
	Oh, look!
	It's from the MAGA hat cartoon.
	That's gonna be... Oh, look, look, look!
	It's MAGA!
	It's amazing.
	Amazing, the people that called conservatives anti-Semites for years.
	They are the Jew haters, but no, these are not the droids you're looking for.
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	We've got the latest news from the Wall Street Journal that will be deciphered for us by our friends at Key City Capital.
	Let's put it up on the screen.
	We have a housing market slump at the same time as mortgage rates top 7%.
	What does it all mean?
	Let's talk to our good buddy Stephen Patterson.
	Stephen, welcome back to America First.
	Thank you so much, Dr. Gorka.
	What is happening to the housing market?
	Because I thought it was a seller's market, especially where we live around, you know, northern Virginia, Washington, D.C.
	Are the mortgage rates just putting pressure on buyers?
	What's going on?
	Yeah, no, it has.
	You know, the bottom line is that mortgage rates have now crossed 7.1 percent.
	It hasn't been this high in 23 years and home prices haven't come down because guys like you and me and your listeners all refinanced at 3% and so we're not selling.
	We're not willing to sell.
	So there's a very very short supply out there with a demand On top of a high interest rate.
	And let's talk about the high interest rate right now because I think this is particularly poignant for your listeners.
	We're spending a trillion dollars.
	We're adding a trillion dollars to the deficit every 90 days.
	Let that sink in.
	Every 90 days.
	So if you want to know why inflation's out of control, you have to look no further than the guys in Congress and the guy in the White House that's passing this spending.
	And how it affects your listeners and how it affects our fund is in April of 2020, The median mortgage in this country was $1,480.
	$1,480.
	Today, April of 2024, that same median home, $2,750.
	Hang on, hang on.
	A 1,300% increase?
	That's an 86% increase in four years, Dr. Gorka.
	April of 2024, that same median home, $2,750.
	Hang on, hang on.
	That's an 86.
	1,300% increase?
	That's an 86% increase in four years, Dr. Gorka.
	Wow. Four years.
	86%.
	So how, given that's a kind of market that's locked, those who refide like I did or bought a new home at like 3.2% when we're not selling, so how do you guys step in?
	How do you meet the need for people to have homes or have places to live?
	Listen, the inflation and these interest rates are what is causing large sell-offs right now in the market.
	The S&P is off 5% in the last five days.
	We're all seeing it reflected.
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	Let's see how many calls we can squeeze in.
	Let's start with Sean, New York City.
	Dr. Gorka, two things I'd like to discuss with you today.
	First thing, the Jew bashing at Columbia.
	Secondly, the Republicans.
	You know, I come from a background where my mom is a Christian.
	My father, my late father, was a Sephardic Jew.
	I can speak on this subject and I'm hoping and praying that this Passover is going to be an exodus for the Jewish people in the sense that they will no longer vote 70% Yeah.
	for the Democrat Party.
	Therein lies a big part of the problem.
	Why would you vote for your executioner?
	Why would you vote for your enemy?
	The self-hatred is unconscionable.
	So I think that's- Second point.
	Second point, Republican Party has proven to be merely controlled opposition.
	And until we take control, until patriots take control of the bureaucracy,
	that includes the FBI, the CIA, until we have our people in there.
	They're not going to stand up because they're too afraid.
	Well, yeah, but that's not controlled opposition.
	Controlled opposition means you're doing the bidding and you work for the other side.
	I think in most cases they're just cowards.
	I think they're just cowards.
	But I'm prepared to be convinced that it's worse than that.
	Thank you, my friend.
	Let's go to Jeff in California.
	Hi, Dr. Gorka.
	Yes.
	Hello.
	I have two points for you.
	One, which maybe you can pass on to the Trump campaign.
	Is that there's a I'm fully aware that the steal is already going on.
	And I know that because my wife was registered Republican for 25 years, got her ballot three days late, and it had her down as a libertarian.
	And Donald Trump was not on the ballot.
	My thought is, if the National Sheriffs Association is engaged, And they deputize, or they arrange through the deputies throughout the country to deputize all of the poll watchers, which will give them legal authority to remain on the premises of the counting stations and the polling stations, along with the hotline.
	So if in fact they were to view or become aware of any irregularities, They would be able to get that information out to the local sheriffs immediately and also question the problem as it's occurring.
	But why the sheriffs?
	What jurisdiction do sheriffs have over elections?
	Well, the county sheriffs have jurisdiction in terms of If they deputize a poll watcher, for example.
	But deputize them as what?
	As a deputy?
	As a deputy.
	They can do that.
	All right, stay on the line.
	I want details.
	I'm unfamiliar with sheriffs deputizing civilians to work inside polling stations, because usually it's the secretaries of state that provide the officials and the individual municipalities.
	So if you've got examples of that, please share them with Jeff, because I want to hear them.
	Stay on the line.
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	you you
	you We have more police presence here than anyone's ever seen
	for blood.
	You can't get near this, Torres.
	And you have nobody up at a college.
	We have very radical people wanting to rip the colleges down, the universities down.
	And that's a shame.
	But it all starts with Joe Biden.
	The signals he puts out are so bad.
	And I can tell you, he's no friend of Israel.
	That's for sure.
	And he's no friend of the Arab world either.
	You take a look at what he said.
	He's no friend of... He doesn't know what to do.
	He doesn't know what to do.
	He wants to take like a middle ground.
	And often times that doesn't work.
	But it's certainly not working here.
	But what he's done to Israel is abandon them.
	And he's trying to be as nice as he can to the other side.
	Call it the Arab war over.
	But that's not working either because they get him.
	And he's an incompetent man.
	A peace will never happen with a guy like this.
	So I just want you to know that that's taking place in front of an extremely crazed judge
	He's the most overturned judge in New York State.
	He was overturned four or five times on that case alone.
	You know who it is.
	I don't have to mention names.
	I want to be nice.
	I want to be very nice.
	But a thing like that, a thing like what's going on right here should never be happening.
	It's a very, very sad day in America.
	I can tell you that.
	I'm going to be a good boy.
	Yes, sir?
	Greetings.
	This is a video of the game's first release.
	It was released in the early 2000s.
	It was a game that was released in the early 2000s.
	So, I just want you to know that that's taking place in front of an extremely crazed judge.
	He's the most overturned judge in New York State.
	He was overturned four or five times on that case alone.
	That's, uh, you know who it is.
	I don't have to mention names.
	I want to be nice.
	I want to be very nice.
	But, uh, a thing like that, a thing like what's going on right here should never be happening.
	It's a very, very sad day in America.
	I can tell you that.
	President Trump this morning talking from outside the court in Manhattan where they maybe will be gagging him.
	His social media posts Alvin Bragg also wants to shut down his campaign website as well.
	Let's talk to a man who knows what it's like to stand there being assailed by politically motivated overzealous prosecutors.
	He's a very good friend of the show.
	A fan favorite, the author most recently of an epic tome, The Political and Strategic History of the World, Volume 1, Lord Conrad Black.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Thanks very much, Sebastian.
	Are you having any kind of jitters, any deja vu when you see the former president and what he's being put through by an American court?
	I do.
	I do.
	And it is aggravated by the fact that He is probably the most famous person in the world since the death of Queen Elizabeth II.
	And they can do it to him.
	I mean, I'm just a foreigner.
	Now, I could defend myself better than most because I had lots of access to the media and was a reasonably well-to-do person.
	Here you have the former president, the person who all polls now show as the likeliest person to be returned to that office in November, and of course he's an extremely wealthy man apart from that.
	And they can do it to him.
	And I say it should frighten every single person in that country.
	Now, you have the benefit of examining, looking at these issues from where you are in Canada.
	You're also a member of the House of Lords in the UK.
	I'm curious, with your background in international media, as a mogul of international media, is this reson... I mean, are people in the international media market Are they seeing this for what it is, or is the mainstream narrative here being picked up by others abroad?
	It varies.
	In general, it must be said, President Trump is not especially popular in the world.
	It's too easy to caricature him as At least on his previous form, not today in my opinion, but the Trump that the world knew as president, as a sort of an ugly American type, you know, rather a boastful man and so on.
	You and I who know him know that that is not a fair description of him, but it must be
	said that at times in the past he has played somewhat into the hands of people who would
	want to underestimate him and disparage him as a bit of a blowhard, you know.
	And there's a bit of that in the world.
	Yes, you know, Sebastian, there's a great deal of envy of the United States in the world.
	And in general, in my experience, unless they're just knocked off their feet by them, foreigners
	tend to try and disparage the American president anyway.
	They thought Eisenhower was a funny daddy.
	They were seduced by JFK, but they didn't like LBJ.
	They thought Nixon was capable, but dishonest, and Ford and Carter weren't very smart, and Reagan was an actor.
	George Bush Sr., they sort of liked up to a point.
	They liked Clinton.
	He sort of seduced them too.
	So if they can take a shot at a president, they will.
	In the case of Trump, it was easy to do.
	But coming back against that, you have a growing number of people who do see that, as they knew anyway, there are real problems with the American justice system.
	And so I'm sorry to give such a long-winded answer, but let me finish by saying this, that I think that, as we've discussed in previous programs, to a substantial degree what's going to happen in this election is a referendum between those who are more outraged at the perversion of the justice system and its utilization for partisan reasons than they are averse to the return to the White House of President Trump.
	Those are the two contending factions in the referendum.
	That in the world, but it's it's it's a month behind that naturally, since there are foreigners who weren't directly affected by the American election.
	Do you get a rising number of people in Canada and Britain and continental Europe, informed people who follow American events, alarmed at the state of American justice?
	This sort of nonsense could happen.
	And so I think in the end, we're going to Get a kind of uniformity of opinion throughout the West.
	And hopefully it'll be millions of Democrats as well who wake up to this reality, especially when they hear the analysis from fellow Democrats and legal scholars.
	This is Jonathan Turley on Fox News just skewering Alvin Bragg's pseudo case, Cut 10.
	What is clear is, in this case, Trump is right.
	I mean, this is an embarrassment.
	I mean, the fact that we are actually talking about this case being presented in a New York courtroom leaves me in utter disbelief.
	I mean, the arguments today did, in fact, capture all the problems here.
	You know, you had this misdemeanor under state law that had run out.
	This is going back to related to the 2016 election.
	And they zapped it back into life by alleging that there was a campaign finance violation under the federal laws that doesn't exist.
	Does any of that, do the facts of the matter actually pertain, Lord Black, in a city that voted 70% for the current incumbent who President Trump could displace in November?
	I think so, because if you hammer it hard enough I'd say two things.
	First of all, he's still got 30% of the vote and he only needs one juror to say, no dice, I don't buy it.
	And it's a hung jury.
	So if he gets 30%, then that'd be four jurors out of 12.
	But apart from that, I think some of the others, probably partisan Democrats, quite likely dislike Trump.
	But I think when they're confronted with the absolute enormity of this distortion of the law, this pretzel of a twisted confluence of implausible allegations aggregating up into something alleged to be a felony, And clearly thrown out at this stage for the most obvious partisan motives that are supposed to have nothing at all to do with justice.
	I think you'd get even some people who don't like Trump saying, wait a minute, we can't, we just can't have this.
	And then, of course, we have this moment that I wish to play every single day on my show.
	This was last Tuesday after President Trump left the court, went to the bodega in Harlem, where that man protected himself against an attacker, and then this spontaneous chant just erupted.
	Let's play that little clip.
	I love you, Trump!
	I love you, Trump!
	We love Trump!
	They thought January 6th was the end of it.
	They'd never hear him again.
	And then, when he was clearly resurfacing, they pulled out the Carried up their sleeve, as Peter Strzok said, you know, in the famous correspondence with our email with Lisa Page, you know, as we said, and Andrew, whatever it is.
	Andrew McKay, Peter Strzok, the backup plan, the plan B. We can always go after this guy legally.
	And so they trotted this one out and, you know, put out the four indictments.
	And it's not working.
	I mean, it absolutely is not working.
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	We'll be back with Lord Black in a moment.
	Thanks for joining us.
	She's gonna be on the show after you on Thursday.
	Yeah.
	But did you have any contact with anybody, you know, in the Trump camp on just how they think this trial is starting out?
	Are they pleased with what's happened so far?
	I've discussed other cases, but not this one.
	And I will be talking to Alina off-air when she comes on the show on Thursday.
	So if I get an update, I'll fill you in.
	Thanks so much.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It's just, I mean, the thing is, it can't be measured on a metric of logic and rationality.
	I mean, you just look at the paper trail, the fact that the chief investigator for Alvin Bragg was a former advisor to Obama, he's a 15-year Democrat operative, he magically disappeared from the federal Department of Justice and then appeared in Alvin Bragg's office.
	The whole thing is a stitch-up, you know, orchestrated from DC.
	No question.
	Yeah.
	Jeff, do we have that new cut from the Palantir chap, Eric?
	Yes.
	Can you just play it?
	I am not a legislator, but I am running one of the coolest companies in the world, and I'm telling young people, you are breathing the vapors of a dangerous, new, fake, and self-destructive religion when you are sitting at your elite school pretending because you watched TikTok twice and got an A-plus on some crazy paper because your professor couldn't get a job anywhere else, that you actually understand the world.
	And you're not welcome at my company.
	Alex, what was his name?
	Craft?
	What was the first name?
	Alex Carp.
	Carp.
	Carp, sorry.
	It was at the Reagan Library where he said that.
	And then I need the We Are Hamas cut for Lord Black.
	I have that again.
	Okay, good.
	Two minutes.
	Right, and then play Jesse Waters for Lord Black, cut 12.
	Their argument, are you ready, is that Trump should have used donor money to stop a woman from shaking him down and then file the ransom with the FEC.
	That's a great way of protecting your family.
	No one would ever find out.
	This wasn't campaign business, this was personal.
	Campaign finance law specifically states candidates cannot use campaign funds for an expense that would exist anyway, even if it benefits the campaign.
	His lawyer paid Stormy, and after the campaign was over, the money was reimbursed and booked as a legal expense.
	You can't use campaign funds for personal matters, and now you can't use personal funds for personal matters during a campaign?
	I guess the real crime is that Trump ran for president and beat Hillary.
	That's the best 50 second explanation.
	Yeah, who was that?
	That was brilliant.
	Jesse Waters from Fox last night.
	Oh yeah, good.
	Yeah, we'll play that for you next time.
	Oh, did I send you, did you get a copy of Katie's book?
	I have not, no.
	I thought I mailed it to you.
	Eric, will you kill the mics again?
	Mic.
	I'm going to kill the mics.
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	We're back with Lord Conrad Black.
	I played this for him in the break.
	It is from Jesse Waters, one of the few good guys left at Fox.
	I think it's the best 52 second explanation for what President Trump is accused of and why the whole thing is utterly absurd.
	Their argument, are you ready, is that Trump should have used donor money to stop a woman from shaking him down and then file the ransom with the FEC.
	That's a great way of protecting your family.
	No one would ever find out.
	This wasn't campaign business, this was personal.
	Campaign finance law specifically states candidates cannot use campaign funds for an expense that would exist anyway, even if it benefits the campaign.
	His lawyer paid Stormy, and after the campaign was over, the money was reimbursed and booked as a legal expense.
	You can't use campaign funds for personal matters, and now you can't use personal funds for personal matters during a campaign?
	I guess the real crime is that Trump ran for president and beat Hillary.
	Isn't that the real crime, Lord Black?
	That's it.
	That's it.
	The unthinkable happened and somebody came in to shake up the back-scratching, log-rolling, you know, uniparty operation in Washington and the proof that the United States is not a decadent country.
	It's the fanaticism with which the tired old establishment, which lost the capacity to govern well, is defending its position.
	I mean, they've turned the judicial system into an adjunct to the dirty tricks division of the Democratic National Committee.
	They're completely incompetent at administering the government of the United States, but they're fearsome defenders of their incumbency.
	If they were degenerate, they'd just roll over like France in 1940.
	Let's switch topics, given the fact that you've run massive corporations like the Hollinger Group in the past.
	The CEO of one of the most successful companies in America, Palantir, We are Hamas!
	You're Hamas?
	intelligence community, said the following, before I play the cut from Alex Karp, just
	Wow!
	a little flavor of what he's talking about.
	This was on the streets of New York, outside Columbia, a couple of days ago.
	This is an American student.
	We are all Hamas, one of the Columbia students.
	And then asked about these students and about the workforce applying to his company, the CEO of Palantir just said this, Alex Karp.
	I am not a legislator, but I am running one of the coolest companies in the world.
	And I'm telling young people, you are breathing the vapors of a dangerous, new, fake, and self-destructive religion when you are sitting at your elite school pretending because you watched TikTok twice and got an A-plus on some crazy paper because your professor couldn't get a job anywhere else that you actually understand the world.
	And you're not welcome at my company.
	It's nice to hear such an outspoken statement from a CEO like that.
	You're not welcome at my company.
	Lord Black is somebody who's hired thousands of people over the years, who's just written a book on what seminal kinds of things these youngsters should know.
	You're in a perfect position to theorize about what effect will this have now, in 10 years, in 20 years' time, when those who really have been indoctrinated into anti-Western hatred have to find a job and have to be employed?
	Well, they're just going to have to adjust to the realities, having not had much of an introduction to them prior to that.
	You know, I'm an older person.
	I remember as a very young person, I used to come home early from school to watch the McCarthy hearings on television, Senator Joseph R. McCarthy.
	And many of the people my age grew up and then fell victim to that whole, you know, the whole Vietnam protest thing, you know.
	And it was nonsense.
	And you had large, I mean, millions of Young Americans not only aggrieved at the thought they might be called upon to go and fight in a war they didn't believe in, but just generally in a state of upheaval.
	But they got it all sorted.
	But there's a big difference.
	Back then it was anti-war.
	Now these people are protesting.
	I mean, that young woman was saying, we are all Hamas.
	They're on the sides of the terrorists, Lord Black.
	Sure, but look, they were anti-war, but they were basically taking the side of Ho Chi Minh, a totalitarian communist dictatorship.
	And my point is, they were stirred up, hostile, you know, the status quo within the country, very aggrieved.
	But I forget which of the Chicago 7 ended up as a stockbroker and did quite well at it.
	People adapt, and when these people Finally figure out that what their parents have spent them $300,000 getting them through university To achieve a degree in a subject that they can't possibly make a living from you know gender studies or some rubbish It's going to be a cold shower for them, but they're just they're just gonna have to sober up and they do I mean people tend to survive and they'll they'll
	Yeah, they'll get a crash course and a bit of realism, you know.
	And their antipathy to the incumbent president because he's not being tough enough on Israel, will that play into the November 5th elections?
	I can't believe that people as deranged in their judgment as that are as numerous enough to influence very much.
	I have to say it takes people as silly and fatuous as that to put me solidly on the side of President Biden.
	He is absolutely not a genocidist.
	I would defend him to the death on that charge.
	Yeah, he's trying to walk a tightrope, but I don't think he's going to be able to if you look at what's happening in those heavily Muslim areas.
	Over 100,000 uncommitted in one primary.
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	Mr. Jeff Younger, welcome to America First.
	Thank you, I'm glad to be here.
	Now, we were talking in the break with my staff.
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	Tell us about your two boys, Mr. Younger.
	Well, you know, I had twin boys.
	They're not identical twins.
	They're fraternal twins.
	One of them almost died in childbirth.
	That was Jude.
	James is the eldest by about five minutes.
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	And then when I shut all this stuff down, she filed for divorce and used her relationships with licensed care providers, forced me out of the house.
	And then my son, just after his third birthday was at my house, which is just a mile away from them at that time.
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	And I took the first iPhone video I'd ever taken.
	If you go up to YouTube and just search for mommy says I'm a girl, it's gotten half a billion views.
	And it's just my son telling me in a bone-chilling video that his mother says he's a girl, and my son was starting to believe it.
	And the saga began there.
	So, I have to ask, she's scaring your son, saying the monsters only eat little boys.
	What triggered this?
	Was she part of the transgender mafia, or was this just some individual mission she was on to pervert your child?
	So there were just a number of things that I learned after I got married to her.
	So she told me that both her children were adopted.
	It turns out one of them was actually from a sperm donor.
	I probably wouldn't have married her had I known that.
	It turns out that her mother was a Lutheran minister who had championed gay rights in the Lutheran movement.
	But it was strange because, you know, she went with me to the Republican convention here in Texas and was a voting delegate at that convention.
	She appeared to me for a long time to just be a normal conservative, but apparently her family just didn't have those credentials.
	And I think she just kind of slipped back into leftism.
	And she used every dirty trick in the book in the Texas courts.
	And I gotta tell you, you know, one of the things about my son is he never presented as a girl with me.
	He only presented as a girl with his mother.
	My son presented as a girl with his mom because she wouldn't love him if he was a boy.
	She would only love James if he was a girl.
	And so, you know, every little boy wants his mom to love him.
	But he never presented as a girl to me.
	Hold that.
	We'll talk about why you're having to move to California.
	This is Jeff Younger, father of a son who is being transitioned, being mutilated by his ex-wife.
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	His name is Jeff Younger.
	The website where you can support him so he can save one of his sons from the transgender mutilators is savejames.org.
	Mr. Younger, so your ex-wife took your son, was transitioning him in secret, and then won her battle in Texas, then took the children to California.
	You're having to follow them to fight the good fight.
	Can you share with us You said something that made me go, OK, I need to talk to this man about your discussions with politicians who you asked to help you.
	How did those conversations go, Mr. Younger?
	Terrible.
	So I spent six years and hundreds of thousands of dollars of my own money just to outlaw the sexual mutilation of children in transgender surgeries and the chemical castration of children in Texas.
	The Texas Republican establishment fought me every step of the way for six years, to the point where they even supported my Democrat judge to re-elect her, because I went after her in re-election, after she gave all the parental rights to my ex-wife.
	So I won a 2019 trial that gave me 50-50 custody and a check on all the parental rights.
	But the corrupt judges in Dallas County transferred into another court with a judge with a gender-expansive child, and she took away all my parental rights and ignored the order.
	So I fought the Speaker of the House, Dave Phelan, in Texas.
	Yeah, but he's a Democrat, really.
	He's a fake Republican.
	He is.
	Right?
	He's a fake Republican.
	He is, 100%.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, here's the basic problem in Texas, and I think it's true in a lot of states.
	The Republican Party has a fundamental structural problem.
	The donor class are primarily Northeastern liberals, and the voting class are right-wing conservatives and socially conservative.
	The largest donor to the Republican Party is Paul Singer.
	He founded the Human Rights Campaign, which is the largest transgender lobby group in the world.
	So the transgender movement has mainly been funded and pushed by Republican donors.
	So you get the Governor of Texas, you get the Speaker of the House, you get the Lieutenant Governor, and how do they make that work?
	What they do is they pass laws that seem conservative, and they leave loopholes to please the donors.
	So like a lot of people think we outlawed abortion in Texas.
	We haven't stopped a single abortion in this state.
	It's still legal for mothers to kill their babies chemically with pills.
	They poison their fetus.
	Planned Parenthood actually makes more money on those abortions than the surgical ones.
	It's still legal.
	They left that loophole.
	They did the same thing with the transgender bill that I passed.
	They took out one key sentence which would have classified chemical castration of minors as child abuse.
	And what that would have done is it would have prevented parents from taking their children to other states to have them castrated and bring them back to Texas.
	They did that to please the liberal donor class.
	You mentioned this video that went viral of your son who is being secretly transitioned by your former wife.
	Let's play a little bit of this clip from James Younger.
	You're a boy, right?
	No.
	I'm a girl.
	Who told you you were a girl?
	Mommy.
	When did she tell you you were a girl?
	Because I love girls.
	Oh, I see.
	So Mommy told you you were a girl?
	Uh-huh.
	Does Mommy do anything else like with a girl with you?
	Uh-huh.
	Like what?
	Like dresses.
	What does she do?
	She puts dresses on me.
	She puts dresses on you?
	Oh, wow.
	And what else does she do?
	She buys my headbands.
	Uh-huh.
	And she gives me hair clips.
	Oh, hair clips?
	Okay.
	What else?
	Some microphones.
	What else?
	Like a skeleton.
	Does she do anything with your fingers?
	Yeah.
	What?
	She paints my nails.
	So why does she do that?
	Because I love my nail polish.
	Oh.
	So mommy puts you in a dress and puts nail polish on you?
	Mm-hmm.
	And what does mommy tell you?
	She tells me I'm a girl.
	Oh, OK.
	Do you think you're a girl?
	Uh-huh.
	You do?
	Is that why you wear this, so that you can have long hair?
	Mm-hmm.
	OK.
	How old was your son when you filmed that, Mr. Younger?
	Just past his third birthday.
	So brainwashing a three-year-old is what your wife was doing?
	Yes, indeed.
	And that's exactly why the Texas courts stripped me of all my parental rights.
	Because what happened was, I just said, you know what I'm going to do with this boy?
	I'm going to just show him how great it is to be a man.
	So, you know, when I was young, I used to hunt rabbits up in the panhandle of Texas with a Apache throwing stick because I was too young to have it gone.
	So I taught him how to hunt, track rabbits.
	We went out and we'd hunt rabbits.
	And we'd go out shooting.
	They really got into air guns.
	James is a very talented boxer.
	He was even being farmed by coaches to get on a state team here in Texas.
	My son Jude is a very talented wrestler.
	And he just started rejecting a female identity.
	And he told a state appointed counselor that he wanted to be a boy.
	She threw him out of the office and initiated a CPS investigation against me Because my son wanted to be a boy, and that's when they took away my parental rights.
	We're out of time, Sadie.
	I want to get you back for a longer discussion, but I want you to reprise what you said to my friend Vince.
	You said you kind of decided you're going to go after the Republicans' donor class because you're fed up trying to convince someone who says they're a Republican that it's wrong to castrate young boys.
	Did I summarize you correctly, Mr. Younger?
	That's exactly right.
	God bless you.
	This is the most morally obvious question since slavery.
	Yeah, it is.
	There's just no excuse for Republicans not acting on this.
	Federal Republicans should have acted long ago to take away prerogatives in the states to abuse children.
	I want to talk to you about what you're doing to go after the donors who are facilitating the mutilation of living children.
	In the meantime, this man deserves All of our support, savejames.org, savejames.org, and go to this man's substack, jeffyounger.substack.com.
	We are praying for you and for your children, Mr. Younger.
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	That was so touching.
	In the break, he says to me, oh, and thank you for supporting all those conservative companies.
	I just ordered some dish towels from Mike Lindell.
	I mean, he's got more to worry about than conservative companies.
	But Eric, wasn't that sweet of him?
	That just shows the kind of man he is and the character he has.
	And that's why his story is all the more painful to listen to.
	Jeff, how horrific was that story?
	That's unbelievable.
	And the fact that it happened in Texas, too.
	That's even worse.
	I want to hear his plans for how he's going to go after the woke, fake Republican donor class.
	This guy is on the warpath politically, and I can't wait to have a longer discussion with him.
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	Too late to save that director of photography who was killed by Alec Baldwin.
	He really does have a temper problem.
	Where was this?
	I guess this was in a coffee shop in New York, Jeff, right?
	Yeah, New York.
	And you had to edit out the naughty words, right?
	Yes.
	Okay, so this woman sees Alec Baldwin.
	He looks like a hobo.
	Dude, does he need to go on PhD?
	Man alive.
	That ain't Jack Ryan.
	And she wants him to say nasty things about Israel, and he's not having it.
	Play cut.
	Alec, can you please say free Palestine one time?
	Why did you kill that lady?
	You killed that lady and got no jail time?
	No jail time, Alec.
	No jail time, Alec.
	You're putting innocent people in jail, Alec Baldwin.
	Free Palestine, Alec, just one time, and I'll leave you alone.
	I'll leave you alone, I swear.
	Please say it.
	One time.
	That was like a, that left hook, boom!
	I don't know if it hit her in the face or just the foot.
	Were you impressed with the speed there, Jeff?
	That was like, lightning!
	That wasn't bad, but he was very angry, that's why.
	You can always go faster when you're angry.
	You mean the adrenaline dump?
	Yeah the longer clip I cut about 15 seconds of him sitting there and he's trying to ignore her but he just can't let it go and he's getting angrier and angrier and angrier and then it happened.
	So what's the latest?
	Has she filed charges for assault?
	Do we know?
	Well this guy's a multiple repeat offender with doing that so he might as well do that.
	He does it all the time with cameramen.
	Alright, so what's the right thing?
	He killed that woman.
	Do we relate to him because she was pestering him or do we just say he's just an aggressive moron?
	I don't like him, but that was kind of funny.
	Of all the people to harass, if you're a loony, this is how loony the left is, if you want to harass somebody to say F Israel and Free Palestine, you probably shouldn't do it with a guy who got away with homicide.
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	The former senator from Illinois who rose to the highest office in the land, he came here as president 2008, the same year I arrived in the United States.
	Maybe I was blinkered, but I didn't see great political and racial divide.
	Now, 16 years later, things are very, very different.
	Can we do something about it?
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	He's been on the show once before, but now for a special one-on-one in studio, we're delighted to have from Brave Angels, John Wood Jr.
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	Sebastian, it is a pleasure, brother, and I appreciate the invitation as always.
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	Okay, so let's start with Brave Angels.
	It's from the first sentence on the website.
	It's very clear that you recognize that there is too much division.
	There's far too much partisanship in America.
	Why is the case?
	Let's start with a diagnosis.
	Why are we where we are today?
	Well, you know, like anything that is big and significant, there are a number of different elements to it.
	I tend to break it down into a few different pieces.
	Part of it is technological.
	We are living in the most peculiar moment in human history insofar as we have these platforms, we upload our consciousness to the digital system, suddenly we have access to millions and millions of people around the world but the nature of the communication is such that We are put in touch with people, but we aren't really seeing people.
	We aren't really connecting with people in a whole kind of holistic sort of way.
	We are digital abstractions reduced to text, reduced to images, reduced to AI recreations that we really don't even know whether they're real, whether they're fake, right?
	These things sort of distort the landscape and baked within that, of course, you've got all sorts of incentive To divide people, to throw out all sorts of things that sort of traffic and demonization, demagoguery.
	We build up our social media empires on the basis of that.
	There's a lot of incentive to do that.
	That's thing number one.
	Thing number two, you go back in time a bit, used to be during the much lionized era of Walter Cronkite and so forth.
	Anything you look in the rearview mirror at through rose-colored glasses isn't going to be wholly correct.
	But there used to be this idea that back in an era where everybody was watching ABC, CBS, NBC, back in an era where everybody knew who the heavyweight champion of the world was and what song was number one on the pop charts, that Americans had something of a shared frame of reference for understanding what was going on, even if we disagreed about the implications of that.
	But eventually you get CNN, you get the 24-hour news cycle, you get all of these sort of different ways of articulating the narrative of reality in terms of what's going on in American politics, and you get the echo chamber effect.
	Suddenly we're not speaking the same language, we don't have as many points of connection.
	There's another part to it, though, that I think needs to be highlighted.
	And actually, this is sort of two-fold in and of itself.
	On the one hand, you have the increasing demographic diversification of American society.
	Immigration in the 1960s, people of color, sexual minorities rising up in the institutions in American life, bringing different sort of narratives on American history, politics.
	But what begins to dissolve beneath all of that Is a common moral frame for understanding our society, our culture, our history, which I think you can attribute largely to the dissolution of the shared religious context for understanding who we are as a nation, what our history is trailing behind us.
	Which would be okay if it weren't for the fact that along with that dissolution comes the evaporation of any sort of language for being able to have a deeper conversation about morality, about virtue, about the sort of society we want to strive towards.
	One thing I've talked about a bit in some of my writings, some of my speeches, is the fact that you go back to the 1960s, the two major movements to come out of that period of time.
	With the civil rights movement on the one hand, most in mainstream, most specifically sort of recognizable under the banner of leadership of Martin Luther King Jr., and the conservative movement, which has a number of origins, but which I and others would trace back to the publication of The Conservative Mind, authored by Russell Kirk.
	And the interesting thing about Russell Kirk and Martin Luther King Jr.
	is that these were two men who were polar political opposites of each other in terms of their policy prescriptions.
	And yet, if you look at their overarching moral values, if you look at the overarching philosophical frame of understanding, the animated philosophical conservatism, the Kirkian tradition, and nonviolence in the Kingian tradition, Each started with the idea that we live in an ordered universe.
	Each started with the idea that there is a greater power that anchors human beings in a sense of virtue, whether it's goodwill, prudence, wisdom.
	Each believed in the imperfectibility of human nature, that we are born in sin and we have to keep that in mind as we strive towards improving society.
	Each believed in a sense of community that transcended atomic individualism or big state collectivism.
	Each was deeply skeptical of the impact of materialism on the social and political culture of the United States, and each was also deeply skeptical of a broader sort of culture of imperialism that obviously was very relevant during the years of the Vietnam War and afterwards.
	And so what this meant was that in an era where these two movements came into collision with each other, there still was perhaps a pathway towards a greater reconciliation, at least insofar as when Dr. King spoke about the beloved community, tied that to a vision of the idealism of the Founding Fathers, of the Judeo-Christian tradition that animated Dr. King and many others.
	Even as Dr. King's politics were well to the left, there was a moral spiritual language that invited Americans
	from each end of a wide spectrum into what ultimately could be a shared conversation with a
	shared goal.
	Can that be summarized with the statement that one doesn't...
	because you're talking about moral framework that are shared by all Americans,
	that this isn't a nation where you have to be a Christian to be an American,
	but the values the nation was founded upon are Judeo-Christian values.
	I think it is fair to say that.
	Now, I would also say, I would also echo Dr. King in saying this,
	that Dr. King talked about the foot soldiers of the civil rights movement, the nonviolent movement.
	And of course, it was initially born out of the black church and then saw the participation of many college students and activists, not all of them black, of course, many white, many Jewish, etc.
	And Dr. King pointed out the fact that there were some who were non-believers, but that the commonality they had in the movement, even if they were atheists, was that they still believed in overarching power of agape, of non-violence, what Dr. King would have framed as Christian love, to affect the conscience of the opposition, right?
	Richard Dawkins, who recently made statements that confused people a fair amount, he said that... He was one of the horsemen of the atheist apocalypse, he said.
	I don't want Britain to be a Muslim, because I miss the hymns.
	I would miss the... I'm not a Christian, but I miss the hymns of my youth.
	It was a kind of strange statement.
	Professor Dawkins, why is it that you like Christian context?
	He can't quite answer that question for himself.
	Well, yeah, I mean, Dr. Dawkins was identifying himself as a cultural Christian, even as he doesn't buy the metaphysical arguments and mythologies, so to speak, of the Christian Bible.
	But he does, he just won't admit it.
	I mean, we know why he said that, right?
	There's a reason why he says, I don't want the UK to be a Muslim country.
	Well, why not?
	I mean, Islam, the muezzin, the songs and poets of Islam, he's making a statement that really speaks to the cultural values that he values, but he can't say he's a believer in God, I think.
	Here's the thing I would want to stress, though, because for me as a Christian, we can say Christianity, and that can mean a number of different things to different people.
	I think that the thing that matters is embodying the virtue of Christianity.
	The virtue of Christianity.
	And what does that mean?
	We can have a bigger conversation about that.
	But for me, everything you need to know, on a certain level, about the moral fortitude of Jesus Christ, you learn on the cross, when as people are lacerating Him to death, He says to His Father, Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do.
	He prays for those who are literally in the process of murdering Him.
	Right?
	Hold that thought.
	We'll expand upon it.
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	So let me just continue with the question of diagnosis.
	And because you say your organization is trying to get over the political divisions in America, let's just start with those divisions, because you're a very astute observer of the culture and of politics.
	What is the political environment we live in today?
	Because we've kind of transcended Republican and Democrat.
	In 16 we saw really two battling populisms, the populisms of the Bernie Sanders type vice, the America first MAGA populism.
	What is the political environment today?
	Is it, to be very very blunt about it, the globalists who don't like America versus those who believe in economic populism?
	If you had to take a snapshot, what is the Right, yeah.
	Well, I think that it's not an unfair approximation to say that while left-right polarization is still our predominant way of talking about things and still has validity as a way of understanding what's going on, that there's also this establishment populist divide which transcends the traditional party categories, right?
	Now, on the left, I think you can argue that the populace lost when Bernie Sanders lost.
	But that energy is still very much there.
	And in different ways, you saw it sort of blow up in the form of Black Lives Matter and in a very different, non-racially focused way it was in Occupy Wall Street prior to.
	But we live in a moment in time where, on the one hand, Political identity amounts to personal identity in a way that it did not in the mid 20th century.
	Is that a function of identity politics?
	Or what is that a result of?
	That it's broken down?
	Yeah, what my historical take on that would be that, yes, I mean, function of identity politics in so much as in the aftermath of the Civil Rights Movement, yet a couple of things happened.
	I mean, for reasons we can go back and forth on historically.
	Black voters congregated in the Democratic Party that up until then was more heavily represented in the Democratic South.
	Democratic voters congregated in the Republican Party.
	Civil rights issues but also religious issues tended to create cultural dividing lines along the lines of party affiliation in ways that weren't necessarily the case prior to that.
	I mean, it used to be in the past that in one way or another you could be a liberal Republican, you could be a conservative Democrat.
	Me knowing what party you were doesn't necessarily tell me anything much about your religious values or your larger sort of perspective on maybe civil rights or what have you back in the pre-civil rights era.
	There's some danger in that because it means that we are content to not listen to one another in the course of a given conversation.
	does have a big part to do with that.
	And so it's been lumped up into who we are as people, to differ from each other as political parties.
	There's some danger in that because it means that we are content
	to not listen to one another in the course of a given conversation.
	Everybody has a history we're trailing behind them, right?
	And part of the hope I have for populism is that if we can get past the culture war side of things
	that keeps us from being able to see beyond the sort of pre-molded Republican versus Democrat way of
	talking about things, we can recognize the fact that, A, there's a long history,
	I would argue, Of disenfranchisement and marginalization in America, visiting both poor African Americans and poor white people in this country.
	Something we can trace back to the colonial era through the Civil War and onward and onward.
	As well as there being in the broad lineage traditions of the American people, again hearkening back to Martin Luther King Jr.
	and Russell Kirk as examples, but ways of understanding ourselves as Americans, ways of understanding our society, tapping into the better angels of our religious traditions.
	Let me just push back on that for a second.
	So you're trying to get beyond the very powerful pull of the culture war divide today.
	And I have to ask how?
	In an age where one side promotes transgender surgery of children and then writes multi-thousand word articles in the Atlantic talking about the browning of America and why we have to celebrate it, but if a conservative commentator says there is a replacement theory being implemented by the left to call a conspiracy theorist, You know, the culture war memes, if you will, have been fully embraced by both sides of the political divide.
	So how do we step beyond that?
	What is the transmission belt to say, sorry, we need to go beyond that?
	There's no stepping beyond it.
	There's no stepping beyond it.
	We have to move through it.
	Okay, so what does that look like?
	Well, that's exactly the question.
	In the work we do at BraveRange, so let me say a little bit about our organization.
	We are a membership organization, 14,000 or so members across the country, a few thousand active volunteers.
	Work that we do in congressional committees, state and local governments, but we are principally grassroots.
	College campuses, about 100 strong across America.
	About the same number or so of local bipartisan alliances.
	What we do is we give people the opportunity to engage in relationship building with each other through in-person workshops, through Zoom-based debate structures, showing people how to think about each other beyond the stereotypes, how to build relationships of trust and empathy, of patriotic empathy across the divide.
	How to debate and fiercely challenge each other on the issues while also maintaining relationships of goodwill towards each other in ways that reflect the better angels of our nature, the higher angels of our moral and religious traditions.
	And in so doing, give ourselves the opportunity to challenge each other while staying in relationship with each other.
	Because the thing that I keep coming back to, Sebastian, is that regardless of what happens at the end of this election cycle, we still have to live next to each other tomorrow.
	So I'm not here necessarily to offer you an end point in terms of where the debates and the arguments are going, where the policy is going to land.
	What my concern is about, what Braver Angels' work is principally about, and I'll give you whatever opinion you want from me in terms of my personal view on things, but in terms of what our movement is striving towards, we're striving towards revitalizing a culture of debate, discourse, and relationship building among the American people that can allow us to be neighbors, even in the face of the depth of some of these disagreements.
	Because without that, we don't have a country, regardless of who wins in 2024 and beyond.
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	Now, to have that dialogue and to have people engage in what you're trying to do, John...
	Look, you're the rare guest who can wax philosophical, probably for the next couple of hours, on the differences and similarities between Martin Luther King Jr.
	and Russell Kirk.
	I met you at a celebration of Russell Kirk's influence on the conservative movement.
	But one of my greatest concerns, which I would deem a massive, almost insurmountable
	obstacle to what you're trying to do, is the across-the-board, left and right, dearth of
	critical thinking.
	Not just the dearth of critical thinking, but a skepticism that has led to cynicism
	and which truly, from, you know, QAnon to BlueAnon, drives conspiracy theories every
	single day, especially on social media.
	Are you not concerned that America is in such a place that the mental decrepitude of critical thinking is going to negate a capacity to have meaningful discussions?
	I'm deeply concerned about it, and it's funny because precisely what you just laid out, Sebastian, is exactly what I hear from folks on the left side and on the blue side of the aisle.
	This overarching concern with our inability to think critically and also the proliferation of misinformation, conspiracies, etc., etc.
	I do think, however, that the mistake we make in focusing on that as the primary matter lies in the fact that if you've got all of the right information on the board, and if you are as intelligent as you are and as your listeners are, and there are smart people all across the country even today.
	But if we are in a place of assuming on the basis of whatever our political affiliation may be that we are, especially as neighbors and family in this country, meaning ill towards each other, if we distrust each other, it doesn't matter what your arguments are.
	We are all basing our arguments largely on the basis of information that we are gleaning from institutions and third-party sources.
	that we think are legitimate wellspring of information for us to be able to base our
	critical deductions on.
	However, if I'm getting my information from CNN and you look at that as just a straight
	up sort of Marxist outlet, and there's no reason to trust their intentions, there's
	no reason to trust the integrity of the information.
	If I'm getting my information from Dr. Sebastian Gorka, the Salem Media Network, and folks
	on the other side are saying, well, they're just a bunch of fascists to begin with, can't
	trust anything that they say, well, then there's no point in attributing any credibility to
	any of my claims.
	But, on the other hand, get beyond the politics for a second and dig into the history and the experience and the psychology here a little bit.
	If we remember that, even in the depth of our errors, again, we're all fallen, we're all born in sin here.
	But if the worldviews that we are encountering in the political arena arise from some depth of human experience that is least worth understanding in terms of coming to grips with why your MAGA uncle thinks the way he does or why your woke niece thinks the way that she does, then again, In terms of the American people being neighbors and family and community members with one another, we can at least establish a context of interpersonal trust to say that I may disagree with what you say and I may not really trust your sources, but I know you mean me well.
	Right.
	Therefore, let's reason together.
	There's some space for us to reason together about the particulars of our disagreement.
	But you're calling for reasonableness.
	How do you make people reasonable?
	I don't see how you make people reasonable.
	This takes us right back to why we need Jesus.
	And let me just put it to you squarely.
	I really appreciate the opportunity to talk about Jesus a little bit, because for me, that's at the heart of it.
	I don't always get that opportunity on other networks and platforms, so it means a lot.
	But the thing about it is, and this harkens back to Martin Luther King Jr.' 's philosophy of nonviolence.
	Dr. King believed that agape love was a spiritual force that could affect social transformation, right?
	He said that Christ supplied the spirit, and Gandhi supplied the method.
	Go into the history.
	But it really does require something courageous, and this is why we are braver angels.
	There was originally better angels in Harkin, and David, and Lincoln, and braver angels kind of grew out of that.
	But frankly, Sebastian, those of us who have the spiritual courage to do it, we have to be willing to go first, in some sense, in signaling to folks on the other side that not only do I think what you say is wrong, but I might even think it's having an evil impact in the world.
	However, I still love you.
	Because you are a creature made in the image of God with imbued human dignity, and I still feel a moral obligation to you to speak the truth to you, but to also listen to what you have to say to me in return.
	I may not like what I'm hearing at first, but I have a moral obligation to hear you just as surely as I hope that you hear me.
	And it is only in the opening of those gates of listening, those gates of understanding, that we can create a cultural norm.
	that allows us to get back to the sort of discussions that we've lost.
	I'm not going to do justice to your answer to that question.
	So I think we have to get you back for a whole hour just to talk about that, how we realize
	and we implement agape.
	Before we do that, I've got one more question that I want to ask you.
	So before we can, or maybe in addition to showing that willingness to respect the other
	and thus initiate a discussion with them.
	Let's put that to one side for a second, John.
	Let me ask you about, as a man, as a young man who's very intelligent and forthright, it is clear from just the statistics on dating in America, on marriage in America, to the incredible popularity of a mild Canadian professor called Jordan Peterson, that we have an utter complete crisis with manhood in Western civilization.
	Where do we begin with that?
	Let's put the political stuff aside, braver angels crossing the aisle, getting to talk to each other, listen to the other.
	Where do we begin to go beyond the make-your-bed argument of the great Dr. Peterson?
	And somehow help these men, these young men who seem Damaged at the level of the soul without ever having gone to war.
	These aren't people who came back from Okinawa or liberated the death camps, but they seem cut to the quick in their soul because of, I don't know what, feminism, critical theory.
	Where do we begin to help young men in our civilization so we do that before we get to the political stuff?
	I wish we had a lot more time to talk about that.
	I'm sure the answer is what?
	Jesus, right?
	I suspect that we have.
	Well, I mean, I do think that... Can we do something for secular young men?
	I do think that Christ is foundational.
	But to your point, because everything can't be put in religious terms, I do think that we have Reigniting a language of virtue in American society is key, right?
	In the sense of the ancient Greeks?
	That kind of virtue?
	Well, in a broad sense, including that, right?
	I think that there's a degree to which we have attributed... I've been looking at Andrew Tate on Twitter and so on and so forth.
	There's a degree to which I think an era of time in which masculinity has been deemed toxic and sort of pushed down has given rise to some reactive expressions of masculinity that have been wild and undisciplined.
	What really, I think, a deep understanding of virtue reminds us that masculinity is captured in service, in self-control, in stoicism even, when it is called for.
	And an ability to master yourself so that you can lift up the people around you, right?
	To be able to demonstrate power in gentleness, right?
	Galatians says that the fruits of the Spirit are in love, joy, kindness, long-suffering, gentleness, self-control, right?
	Are you in control of yourself?
	Can you make space for other people by virtue of the gravity that you bear in your own character, your own dignity?
	Your own behavior, right?
	The most, the crudest form of masculinity is the sort of wild outletting and so forth.
	Viciousness and aggression that we are sometimes tempted to celebrate, particularly in response again to sort of the suppression of masculinity.
	But women and men need for men to be in control of themselves, to hold themselves with dignity.
	in a way that can allow them to shoulder the burdens of life in society.
	And I think that Jordan Peterson, who's been a big influence on me, and there's a lot that I could say about Jordan Peterson in different directions, but I do think that he's been a monumental figure in reintroducing a way of talking about masculinity and virtue that begins to get at some of these qualities.
	But again, We need to be in touch with history.
	We need to be in touch with our philosophical and our theological traditions.
	And then beyond, you know, celebrated authors and speakers, that's not enough.
	So who are going to be the transmission belts of this?
	Is this church leaders?
	Is it community leaders?
	One author is not enough.
	One author is not enough.
	Part of what I'm trying to do in the work that we're committed to in Braver Angels is, again, to create cultures of community, but also structures of interaction that give us the opportunity to embody these virtues in front of each other.
	And so, Sebastian, if you're confronted with an individual, you know, in this chair, not me in this case, but say you're confronted with a man in this chair who's a Marxist, who has sort of wild-eyed, kind of left-wing points of view, But you can tell he stands on integrity.
	You can tell he stands on honesty.
	You can tell that he's somebody who's willing to sacrifice for his neighbor or stand up and confront a bully if called upon to do so.
	These are traits we can respect in one another as men, right?
	And again, if through our examples, through our platforms, and through the structures that we innovate, we are able to channel and embody the higher virtues of what it means to be a man and what it means to be a human being, Right?
	Then we have a cultural foundation that can begin to absorb some of the deeper dissonance of the issues that makes everything seem so intractable today.
	The issues are complicated, but if we were righteous, it wouldn't stop us.
	Do you see anybody out there who's picking up the baton from Peter's and giving us the next iteration?
	Oh, boy.
	Well, that's...
	That's a tough one right there.
	I wish I had a good answer.
	There's not many to pick from.
	It's definitely not for lack of smart people.
	And it's not for lack of good people.
	Although again, we're all fallen and so forth.
	Am I good?
	I leave it to others.
	But I do think that In the absence of a language of virtue, we simply don't have the vocabulary to surface these issues.
	And so, insofar as we can help spark some of this awareness in our conversations, you know, that's the service I'm hoping we can provide.
	But I do believe others are coming forward and will come forward, and we have to wait to see how the Spirit brings that to light.
	Yeah.
	And we look forward, of course, to Jordan Peterson's next book, which I think has the working title, For Those Who Struggle With Jesus, like he does, which is going to be a very, very interesting story.
	I think it's We Who Struggle With God, I think.
	Yes.
	We Who Wrestle With God.
	We Who Wrestle With God.
	Working title.
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	Okay, this has left me with far too many questions I still have to ask you.
	We'll have you back to talk about how we get to that agape that we can listen to the other person.
	We even want more.
	Yeah, I know our listeners across the nation are going to want more.
	Give us some homework.
	You're talking about three and a half million people across the country who may be looking for not just inspiration for themselves, but for their children or their grandchildren.
	Give us some homework beyond, you know, Kirk, of course, maybe the speeches of MLK Jr.
	If one wants to dive headfirst into this issue and make a difference and begin to speak the language of virtue in such a way that others can internalize it, where should they begin?
	Well, you mentioned King, you mentioned Kirk, we mentioned Peterson, who I do think contemporaneously is a worthy source.
	I would encourage people to go back to the classical Greeks, to return to Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle.
	That's hard to do without a guide.
	I mean, I studied those in college.
	I studied philosophy and theology.
	By yourself, it's not that easy.
	That was my pathway to God.
	On another occasion, maybe we can talk about that.
	Because prior to studying classical philosophy, I would have called myself an agnostic.
	It was actually in traveling through the canon of the classics.
	Precisely.
	It was through that that I set out on a pathway that ultimately led me to Christ.
	And so it's its own story.
	But, you know, those thinkers provide the roots of Western reason, but Western ethical reasoning, right?
	The good.
	Right.
	Of course, Russell Kirk himself is expounding upon a larger conservative tradition and the thoughts of people like Edmund Burke and John Adams and John Randolph of Roanoke and many others, which expand the frame through which we can understand the language of virtue.
	And Russell Kirk said that conservatism, contrary to the way many of us engage with it, is not an ideology.
	It is a philosophy and a cast of mind, something that recognizes the permanent things in our history, right?
	May I jump in there?
	An incredibly brave man, former cavalry officer who served in the Trump administration, Robert Reilly, who wrote one of the best books on Islam called The Closing of the Muslim Mind.
	He once so enlightened me to what conservatism is and what the difference between ideology and conservatism is.
	Everyone else has an ideology because ideologies are distortions through a prism of reality.
	Conservatism isn't a distortion of reality.
	It is an appreciation of what works, what is true, and what always has been true.
	So I owe a massive debt of gratitude to Robert Reilly.
	I feel like we've been talking for three minutes and it's already over.
	We shall continue.
	I think, Jeff, we find the next guest for our Manhood Hour.
	We can talk about that for so much more time on that occasion.
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