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	So, we're going to go ahead and get started.
	Alright, let's do this.
	Alright, let's do this.
	So when babies are born, the doctor looks at them and they make a guess about whether the baby is a boy or a girl, based on what they look like.
	And most of the time that guess is 100% correct, there are no issues whatsoever, but sometimes the doctor is wrong.
	The doctor makes an incorrect guess.
	When the doctor makes a correct guess, that's when a person is called cisgender.
	When a doctor's guess is wrong, that's when they are transgender.
	So, I'm a man, but when I was a baby, the doctors told my parents I was a girl.
	And so, my parents gave me a name that girls typically have, and bought me clothes that girls typically wear.
	And until I was 18 years old, everyone thought I was a girl.
	And this was super, super uncomfortable for me, because I knew that wasn't right.
	Well, it is, because you are a girl.
	It's called chromosomes.
	It's non-negotiable.
	You can take testosterone, you can pretend to try and grow a beard, but you're still a female.
	How did we get here?
	That is a first grade teacher.
	That person has responsibility over the most vulnerable minds in our society.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker and we have a very special Three Hours for you because its theme is courage.
	Three individuals who in their own spheres say, damn it, I'm just going to tell the truth.
	One man who has mapped modern Marxism in its veiled form, that is critical theory, done more than anyone else to document the truth about what is happening in America, in our institutions, in our schools, in our universities.
	and refuses to be silent.
	Then a medical practitioner who's trying to save the children from the transgender extremists and likewise will not hide the truth because that is the wrong thing to do.
	And then a politician who fights for the truth and was the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom Liz Truss will be in studio.
	I'm honored to know people like this and to be able to share with you what they have to say, which is the ammunition with which we will save our civilization if we too have the requisite courage.
	First guest in studio, Likewise, someone I like to call a friend is the author of a seminal work originally that was cynical theories about critical race theory.
	And now his latest work, I have my My pre-publishing copy in my hand, printed out, but it is already out for you.
	The Queering of the American Child is the founder of New Discourses.
	We're delighted to have him in studio in The Swamp.
	Dr. James Lindsay.
	Good to see you, Seb.
	Good to be back in The Swamp.
	I'm not sure you mean that, but we'll take it at face value.
	You're here to meet some friends of ours and do some interviews.
	We're delighted to share this tug at opportunity to have you in DC.
	I'm going to take full, full credit for the authoring of this book, although I had nothing to do in writing it.
	When your Cynical Theories book came out, there was half a page, a paragraph, On queer theory.
	And I can remember, I think I was at a Turning Point conference with you, and I said, James, this paragraph is the most important part of the book.
	We need more on this.
	We need a whole book on this paragraph.
	I'm sure I'm not the only one who said that to you.
	It is out with your co-author.
	I'm so excited to discuss it.
	First things first, what is queer theory?
	There's a number of ways we can define it, Seb.
	Queer theory is a Marxist theory of normalcy, is the easiest, most direct way.
	So what do I mean by a Marxist theory?
	Page 1, Chapter 1 of the Communist Manifesto, Karl Marx says that in a word, he says, history moves according to a struggle of classes, which in a word can be described as oppressor versus oppressed.
	So there's a system.
	Classical Marxism says there's an economic system.
	Some people are oppressors, they oppress others and exploit them and steal their value, alienate them from who they really are, yada yada.
	And the solution to this is to abolish private property and to seize the means of production of economics, which means to seize the means of production of mankind, because our souls are forged in our economic conditions.
	Because everything is material.
	Correct.
	Everything's material.
	Sociologically material, metaphysically material, all the way material.
	So Queer Theory takes this exact same architecture straight out of the Communist Manifesto and it updates it.
	It says there are certain people who are privileged by the fact that they consider themselves normal.
	And society accepts that they're normal.
	And they have a set of values called normativity.
	That it's better to be normal than not to be normal.
	And so... Which is actually the definition of the word.
	Normo.
	Yes.
	Right?
	Yes.
	It means according to the norm.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, exactly, which is a statistical term.
	It means it's what most people or things happen to be.
	And so, yeah, so they say that people have arbitrarily decided we're the normal ones and the other people are the weirdos, the kinksters, the abnormal, the perverse, the degenerate.
	And they say that's a system of oppression in a word.
	It's oppressor versus oppressed.
	So they want to seize the means of production of normalcy so that they can abolish, in their own words,
	the normal and the legitimate, which they feel like those dominate people who
	fall outside of those scopes.
	Now, what you do in your books, from critical cynical theories
	on down to this one, is you don't just extemporize and give your own opinion.
	You quote the authors of these theories.
	That paragraph on queer theory on your prior work, I can't read it on air because it's full of foul language.
	These professors, in their written academic work, are stating that we have to, quote, F with the concept of normal.
	We have to F with the mind of our students, of everyone, so they don't know what normal is.
	It's anarchic sabotage at an intellectual level, is it not?
	It is, yeah, that's right.
	I mean, there's another term, gender effing, where you're supposed to mess with people's minds about the concept of gender itself, whether or not it relates to their biological sex, which that was bad of me.
	There's no such thing as biological sex, it's just sex.
	Sex is automatically biological, and when you say biological sex, you imply maybe there's another kind.
	This is where gender comes in, right?
	This is where gender comes in.
	Can you explain The gender, the genesis of this concept, and how also it's tied into the likes of Kinsey, of Mani.
	Give us a little bit of a historic overview.
	Yes, well, there's kind of two pathways into the study of gender, or what was called in the feminist circle, sex roles.
	We can lay that on the feminist philosopher, Simone de Beauvoir, who was also kind of a neo-Marxist.
	She wasn't purely Marxist anymore.
	And Simone de Beauvoir said that, here's the deal, People, women, aren't born as women.
	They're born as female, but they become woman.
	And that's... Because of social... Because of social... Torrents forced upon them.
	Correct.
	They call it, it is called the socialization theory, or the theory of, what is it called, social constructivism.
	And so, people, women are constructed by the patriarchy to be women in a particular way, and they need to break free of that prison.
	That's Simone de Beauvoir's idea.
	Later, that was 1949 and the second sex.
	A few years later we have Kinsey, the zoologist, and we have John Money working.
	John Money was at Johns Hopkins.
	And they were coming up with this new idea that gender, in fact, is this separate entity to sex.
	Sex is what gametes your body produces.
	It's what reproductive organs you have and what, I should say, gametes they would produce
	under normal and healthy development.
	It's expressed in chromosomes for human beings, but not necessarily in every animal.
	And so Money believed particularly that this is actually separate from who you think you are.
	and he created the concept of gender identity.
	All right, hold that thought.
	We've only just opened the Pandora's box, the latest book, The Queering of the American Child.
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	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First.
	I have such a long list of questions.
	I'm so excited for today.
	These three incredible guests all in studio.
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	Yeah, so much.
	What did I write?
	Maybe the Trump angle, that she endorsed Trump.
	Yeah.
	Let me think about it.
	I'll try and decipher my thing.
	So how does this work when they order it?
	Is it like a print on demand?
	Yeah.
	And then do you have somebody who does that for you?
	It's a company called IngramSpark that does it, yeah.
	Everything works out well?
	So far so good.
	Love it.
	It's slow for wholesale.
	Right.
	So tell me about your co-author.
	He's a dad.
	He's just a regular guy from Wisconsin.
	Two young children.
	They're not in kindergarten yet.
	And when they started doing their family planning a couple years ago, him and his wife, he started looking into what was going on in the schools, was horrified, and started reading queer theory all the time.
	And so he read Cynical Theories, and he decided that he heard the call for the book.
	And so he started writing a draft of this book to explain it for parents and teachers.
	To lay out what it is.
	He's a great guy.
	I don't know what his professional qualifications are, academic background.
	He's a good writer.
	He's a dad and he's a good writer.
	Fabulous.
	Oh, I like this.
	The Queer Cultists.
	It's a cult.
	Yeah, it is a cult.
	Let's talk about that as well.
	well. Let's talk about that.
	Play the second cut.
	Cut 21.
	21, yeah.
	Kids as young as three and four are actually aware of their gender identity, even if they don't have the language for it.
	So very aware of who they like and who they don't like.
	Heterosexuality is pushed on our kids on a daily basis at a very young age.
	Media, through books.
	The first Disney movie that you saw.
	To say that pre-K through 3rd grade are not ready for such topics is actually internalized homophobia and transphobia.
	They're very much ready for these topics and are way more accepting than adults when it comes to discussing these topics.
	Talk about gender, gender assumptions, pronouns, all the things.
	And it is child development appropriate and age appropriate.
	Literally created as just another means to other queer people.
	Basically say that us existing is not normal.
	A little bit of 18.
	18.
	He's very effectively doing this split screen and he's He's the candidate, he's telling America, he's the candidate of normalcy, a return to the normal, the traditional.
	And they are the radicals, and they are the people who are crazy, and he's not.
	And these split-screen differences... Remember, he was at the rainy wake of an NYPD officer while Biden was leveraging... I'm going to tee that up quickly.
	I'll do Cruz, I'll tee that up, and then we'll go back to James.
	Crews VDH in the back. Yeah. Yep Mhm. Yeah.
	Mhm. Yeah.
	Mhm.
	you you
	Making sense out of today's nonsense, here's Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
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	OK, we don't rehearse these.
	Can you tell?
	Can you tell we don't rehearse these three hours every single day?
	We just have free-flowing discussions.
	Even when President Trump comes on, we don't clear our questions to him in advance.
	You want to have real, genuine discussions.
	And in the opening segment with our good friend James Lindsay, He talked about the attacking of normalcy.
	That queer theory, that critical theory, is about attacking forever what it means to be normal and making the abnormal the new standard.
	It's a great coincidence with what the wonderful Victor Davis Hanson just said.
	He's very effectively doing this split screen and he's he's the candidate he's telling America he's the candidate of normalcy and return to the normal the traditional and they are the radicals and they are the people who are crazy and he's not and these split screen differences when remember he was at the the rainy wake of an NYPD officer why Biden was leveraging 26 million dollars from movie stars and campaign contributions.
	Then he hit it again at Chick-fil-A why Biden had at the White House these stars with their girlfriends glitzy dresses as if they were at the Oscars.
	And if he can keep doing that it really shows you that he's redefining the Republican Party and maybe America as a party of middle-class people as class starts to substitute Race.
	People are identifying more in common with their economic status than they are with their tribal affiliations.
	From the Chick-fil-A to the bodega in Harlem, where the kids, the kids, I can't stop playing it, shouted, we love you, Trump.
	James, we're celebrating your new book, The Queering of the American Child, which really is the heart of the radicalism that is infecting Western civilization.
	Have you divined, what is the end state?
	Because from this, I mean it's truly bile-filled.
	It's Maoist, it's Marxist, but it is fueled by hatred.
	But when you say you're destroying the concept of normal, for me it seems like just anarchy.
	Is this just a new version of anarchy?
	Well, almost.
	The answer is sort of.
	First of all, let's just be real clear, it's not going to get to an end state.
	It cannot get to an end state.
	Because it's not a logical thing, right?
	Correct.
	It's a negative.
	That's right.
	It's a constant subtraction into nothing.
	And so it can't get to the end state.
	But anarchy is close.
	The right answer is actually given to us by one of the most famous incidences of queer theory in the public eye that's happened, period.
	Which is when Senator Marshall Blackburn caught Kentonji Brown Jackson and said, what is a woman?
	And Kintanji Brown-Jackson, who, while I haven't examined her myself, I believe is a woman, could not answer the question.
	Because she said that she's not a biologist.
	This got big laughs.
	Everybody paid attention.
	But what she really said is, I'm not an expert.
	Yes.
	Which means, when there is anarchy created by the queer theorists, the queer theorists themselves become like gurus that tell you what is and is not valid, who really is a man and who really isn't.
	If you leaned into this microphone right now, like at the opening of the show, we had this woman saying that she's a man, and you leaned into the microphone right now and said, for the rest of the show, Sebastian Gorka's a woman, they would come and say, no, it doesn't count, you're mocking us, you're making fun of us.
	Because they know when it's real and when it's not.
	So you have to turn to them.
	They become the cult leaders.
	But when Dylan Mulvaney mocks all women with his parody of what a woman is, screaming and running around, that's not a parody of a woman for them.
	He's a hero.
	Correct.
	So they know when it's real, when it's stunning and brave, and they know when it's fake and when it's mockery, which means they get to decide every time.
	Now we talk about that with Dylan Mulvaney and you and me and whether or not we have to defer to this woman as a man or whatever.
	Now imagine doing this to a six-year-old.
	This six-year-old has not created the concrete ability to understand categories in the world, like male and female, to develop the capacities for reasoned understanding of the world around them.
	They are not ready for this.
	So it's just massive confusion.
	I'm sure you were traveling and you didn't catch it, but on the show on Monday, I shared this fresh story.
	I went to get my hair cut on Saturday, and this very famed man was sitting in the waiting area of the barbers of the hairdressers.
	And I thought, a man can't cross his legs like that.
	If he has something between his legs, he can't do that.
	And I thought, is he gay?
	And then he talked to his seven-year-old son, who's sitting on a high chair getting a haircut.
	And I thought, maybe he's just strange.
	I don't know.
	And then the kid has his haircut, gets off the high chair, the father sits down for his trim, and he hands his phone to the child.
	in public who watches, as I can hear loudly, a cartoon In which one of the characters says to another character, within my earshot, I'm not comfortable with the pronouns she and her.
	I am they and them in public.
	Now, what does a six-year-old do with that, James?
	That's just indoctrination.
	It is.
	It's actually indoctrination into confusion.
	It's straight mismatched categories.
	So their ability to develop the understanding of the world, the ability to understand
	who they are, where they fit in, what other things are, without having to ask a guru, is obliterated.
	So what it creates, you said, does it create anarchy? No, it creates complete
	dependency on the people that the cult doesn't know about. Docile individuals, lemmings who can be
	controlled because they must appeal to an authority figure.
	If this was Soviet Union or Mao's China, we would say you have to go ask the commissar what the right answer to the question of are you male or female.
	And the commissar is, for example, the first grade teacher with the blue hair who we played at the beginning of the show who says that there's no such thing as, you know, it's an accident at birth whether you're a male or a female and a doctor guesses.
	That's the commissar.
	Correct.
	That's the commissar and of course that's complete nonsense.
	All right, we have so much more to uncover.
	The book is out now.
	It is published by New Discourses, The Queering of the American Mind, How a New School Religious Cult Poisons the Minds and Bodies of Normal Kids.
	I want to delve, dive into that concept of this being a cult.
	You can get it at newdiscourses.com and be sure to follow our friend at Conceptual James.
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	We'll be back with the great James Lindsay after these messages.
	Thanks for watching.
	Bye.
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	Uh, can you provide a definition for the word woman?
	Can I provide a definition?
	Yeah.
	I can't.
	You can't?
	Not in this context.
	I'm not a biologist.
	And you want to be on the Supreme Court?
	Katanji Brown, you're a woman.
	It's very, very simple.
	Adult, human, female.
	Yeah, it's that simple.
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	A couple of times in our discussion of your new book, The Queering of the American Child, we've used the word cult.
	It's actually in the subtitle of the book.
	Why is that word applicable to critical theories and especially queer theory?
	Well, basically for about every reason possible, but you have to be indoctrinated into it, for one thing.
	It's not natural.
	You cannot discover it in nature.
	It's not possible, actually, to be a queer person, because queer is a political stance.
	You can be a queer political actor or activist, but you can't be a queer person, because queer is defined by David Halperin, as we document in the book, as an opposition to whatever is normal, legitimate, and dominant.
	That's a political position.
	It says that it refers to no positive truth or stable reality.
	What happens if they win?
	Because then do they have to delete themselves?
	If they have to be in opposition to that which is the norm?
	If queer is the norm, then they're in trouble, right?
	Well, that's a whole thing within queer theory.
	There's papers called Queering Queer Theory.
	Because it's become too normalized already and too rigorous.
	but this is true.
	But it's a cult because it has to be indoctrinated into, it's a political stance, and then it starts to cut you off
	from people who don't believe it.
	They're transphobic, they're homophobic, you can't be around them.
	Your parents might not like it.
	You've gotta be protected from your parents.
	You gotta be protected from people who would try to stop you
	from understanding your true inner self, which is what we're revealing to you.
	This is all cult language, and it's being brought to these children in particular,
	because adults are not so susceptible to it most of the time.
	It's being brought to children through cult techniques, not just indoctrination, but what's called trauma bonding.
	So in the book, we document a queer educator named Kevin Kumashiro, who wrote a paper in 2002
	called Against Repetition.
	It means against repetition of the existing normal society.
	So we need a new, not normal society.
	And so, to achieve this, he says, the process of queer education, and education for social justice more broadly, is to lead children into personal crisis.
	And then structure the environment around them so they resolve the crisis productively.
	That's trauma bonding.
	That is a cult technique.
	You put the children into psychological injury and then you coach them through it, out of it.
	It's hazing.
	It's also like, what is that economic theory that was propagated in the 70s by two left-wing economists who say, you have to shatter the economy.
	You have to bankrupt the economy.
	Cloud Piven.
	So you create anarchy economically, and then we can come in and create socialism.
	So it's the same thing, but it's at the personal level.
	You create crisis for the young person, they're shattered, and then you come in and say, let me answer your questions.
	You think you're a boy?
	You're actually a girl.
	I mean, it sounds demonic.
	I think that's a great word for it.
	I'm not quite sure what demonic means, given my religious proclivities, but I use the word demonic to describe this.
	It's patently evil.
	It's completely a destructive cult that's based on sex that overwhelmingly targets children, but that, by the way, has very little to do with gay people.
	In fact, it uses gay people.
	It hides behind them like human shields to be able to do its very radical act of Well, and there are those who say it's an attempt to disappear gay people, right?
	If you take a young boy who's a feat, who likes makeup or what have you, and you say, no, no, no, no, no, no, you're a girl, you're denying his homosexual identity.
	and as a result you're actually distorting his reality.
	Yeah, they sometimes call it trans the gay away.
	Trans the gay away.
	But what you have is, again, the paragraph in the book, the book is called Saint Foucault,
	holds up Michel Foucault, the evil postmodern philosopher and pederast, as a saint.
	And then the paragraph where they define queer as whatever is opposed to the normal and the legitimate,
	the beginning of the paragraph starts with, unlike gay identity.
	Because they say gay identity is based in positive object choice, a positive truth, reality.
	They don't know why necessarily, they make no claims as why people are gay, but they
	say it's a fact of reality.
	They say queer is not.
	It's different than that.
	For those who aren't classically trained, a pederast is a pedophile.
	Michel Foucault, one of the greatest left-wing thinkers and cultists, did like to have sex
	with young boys in North Africa.
	Look it up.
	It's just a statement of fact.
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	Outro Music Which of those cuts do you want to...
	Uh, let's...
	They're all over a minute long.
	I know, I know.
	Play me cut 9 first.
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	Give it to me.
	The places where we are prone to disagreement, say politics and religion.
	Well, as it turns out, not only does Wikipedia's model work there, it actually works really well.
	Because in our normal lives, these contentious conversations tend to erupt over disagreement about what the truth actually is.
	But the people who write these articles, they're not focused on the truth.
	They're focused on something else, which is the best of what we can know right now.
	And after seven years of working with these brilliant folks, I've come to believe that they are on to something.
	That perhaps, for our most tricky disagreements, seeking the truth and seeking to convince others of the truth might not be the right place to start.
	In fact, Play the log one, play eight as much as you can.
	I started by talking about the idea of free and open as some of our founding principles, sort of free and open source coming from the idea of the open source community.
	Well, I have come to the opinion and the perspective that free and open was a way of looking at the world that was inherently limited relative to what we were trying to achieve.
	Free and Open has the best of intentionality, but in the end, what Free and Open often ended up doing, particularly in the case of Wikipedia, was really recapitulating many of the same power structures and dynamics that exist offline.
	You guys have the My Truth, Your Truth one?
	Is that the second half of the TED Talk?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I think we do.
	You prefer that?
	I can run with it, but I can do whatever.
	Now, that is not to say that the truth doesn't exist, nor is it to say that the truth isn't important.
	Clearly, the search for the truth has led us to do great things, to learn great things.
	But I think if I were to really ask you to think about this, One of the things that we could all acknowledge is that
	part of the reason we have such glorious chronicles to the human experience in all forms of culture
	is because we acknowledge there are many different truths.
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	suspended before he resigned a certain individual in NPR who spoke out about
	the cult at NPR the right think you must obey and it's interesting that
	this woman who runs the public broadcasting corporation, the radio angle
	of it Katherine Ma was formerly at Wikipedia
	and she gave a TED talk that fits perfectly into our discussion today with
	Dr. James Lindsay Just listen to what she thinks the truth is.
	Cut 10.
	Now, that is not to say that the truth doesn't exist, nor is it to say that the truth isn't important.
	Clearly the search for the truth has led us to do great things, to learn great things, but I think if I were to really ask you to think about this, one of the things that we could all acknowledge is that part of the reason we have such glorious chronicles to the human experience in all forms of culture is because we acknowledge there are many different truths.
	And so in the spirit of that, I'm certain that the truth exists for you and probably for the person sitting next to you.
	But this may not be the same truth.
	This is because the truth of the matter is very often, for many people, what happens when we merge facts about the world with our beliefs about the world.
	So we all have different truths.
	They're based on things like where we come from, how we were raised, and how other people perceive us.
	So truth is a merging of facts with beliefs, as long as it's not Christianity.
	It can't be that belief.
	And there are many truths.
	If there are many truths, surely there is no truth.
	I'm a little bit confused logically, James.
	I mean, the joke is, of course, that when somebody says that to you, you say, how do you know that's true?
	Is that true as a matter of fact?
	But what you're seeing there, just to throw out the big fancy cult terms, you're seeing dialectical Gnosticism, the blending of fact and Explain Gnosticism, because this is really at the heart of all of this.
	Gnosticism, which is a religion, predicated what?
	Secret knowledge.
	On secret knowledge, called Gnosis, and the idea that they don't want you to have it, whether it's a spiritual they, or whether it's the powers that be, or the bourgeoisie, they don't want you to know the truth about reality that's being hidden from you.
	And you're in prison in your own life because of that.
	And the goal is to break you free of that prison by awakening your consciousness.
	Listen to all the language they talk about.
	Consciousness this, woke that.
	It's awake.
	It's all cult language.
	So you asked earlier how it's a cult.
	Well, there you go.
	And what did we start with?
	A clip of a woman, that's the truth, saying, I knew in my heart that was wrong.
	Secret hidden knowledge.
	Yes!
	About her own identity that just so happens to be false.
	But what it is is a fact mixed with a belief.
	Right.
	Which is exactly what I was saying.
	This is this is a cult belief system.
	You have secret knowledge.
	A video like that, that TED talk, that would have been a parody a few years ago.
	Like that Monty Python skit of the the Palestinian resistance fighter who wants to have a baby but he's a guy.
	That would have been a joke.
	These people That woman is earnest in what she said.
	She's not afraid.
	She actually believes that garbage.
	Oh yeah.
	Further on in the talk, she talks about how truth is effectively operational.
	She doesn't use that word.
	But Kelly Oliver, a feminist theorist in the 1980s, in 1989 wrote a And she said that we don't need to worry any longer about true or false theories because we have to worry about strategic theories, strategic operational theories, which borrows from the same ideas from George Soros and his idea of reflexivity documented in the Alchemy of Finance.
	How does George Soros manipulate economies, manipulate countries?
	Why does he do all the things that he does?
	Well, it's this concept he talks about called reflexivity.
	What is reflexivity?
	Well, it's this idea that you can get feedback loops going.
	And how do you get feedback loops going?
	Well, exactly what this lady said.
	He said, it's alchemy.
	He called it, it's called the alchemy of financing, and he said, where the scientific method is concerned with truth, alchemy is concerned with operational success.
	That's a direct quote from George Soros in the middle of that book.
	Exactly back to the documents I used to use to teach the genesis of the Cold War, especially George Kennan's then classified telegram about how the Soviet Union works.
	This is 1946.
	It was declassified, or rather turned into the article, The Sources of Soviet Conduct, pseudonymously published in the Foreign Affairs.
	And he says at the beginning, sitting in Moscow, understanding the culture intimately, he said,
	you have to understand that for the Communist Party, truth is that which enables us to maintain power.
	Utterly plastic, utterly changeable from one day to the next.
	Truth has no constant content.
	It is that which is useful to us.
	This is just another iteration of that, is it not?
	That's the same definition they give on the Marxist.org.
	Marxist.org has a huge glossary.
	Anybody should go read how they misuse words.
	They tell you themselves, and their definition of truth they say is close to, they say there's empirical truth, which is, you know, evidence-based, and
	there's logical truth, which is reason-based or rationalist.
	Then they say it's utilitarian, whatever works is true, and they say that's the closest to Marxist truth.
	But with Marxist truth, it has to be whatever is true is what advances communism.
	Absolutely stunning.
	It boils down to one thing.
	Acquisition and maintenance of power.
	Whatever it takes to acquire and then hold on to power.
	This is absolutely mandatory reading.
	If you're not familiar, With what James has unearthed for us, with his co-authors, with his team at New Discourses, you're just walking blindly into a trap of a cult that wishes to destroy everything you hold sacred, including the innocence of your children and your grandchildren.
	The latest book available at newdiscourses.com is The Queering of the American Child, how a new School, religious, cult, poisons the minds and bodies of normal children.
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	So today was full of little.
	Happy gender euphoria moments.
	I got called Mr. Micah a lot today.
	Well, completely femme.
	And that was really heartwarming that the kids just got it.
	But my favorite reaction, and it sums me up so well, I feel like, is I was in a new classroom and I took off my mask to blow my nose and I just hear a kid loudly whisper, oh, she's a boy.
	I was like, yeah, you got it, kid.
	You totally got it.
	There's a problem with that.
	She can't be a he and he can't be a she.
	It's called biology.
	We have only a few minutes left with the author, the co-author of the brand new book, The Queering of the American Child, Dr. James Lindsay.
	Follow him at NewDiscourses.com.
	You use this acronym in the book, James, DQSH, Drag Queen Story Hour.
	I just want to bring this all back home and give us a little bit of a positive Close to our first hour.
	My wife hates politics.
	I told her for a decade that she should get involved in it because she's temperamentally suited.
	She said, no, that's insane.
	When they held Drag Queen Story Hour in our local library, she came to me and she said she's running for local office.
	She won.
	She became the chief election officer.
	And as of two weeks ago, she is the chair of the GOP for the biggest county in Virginia.
	Is that the positive power of Drag Queen Story Hour, James?
	Yeah, this entire phenomenon of throwing queer theory in front of children has awakened the sleeping giant of parents who will always protect their kids and will protect the kids of other people who see this madness attacking their kids.
	Drag Queen Story Hour is the perfect reason.
	We saw the horrifying videos for years.
	The last two years, just constantly in front of kids, people doing sexual, provocative things, dressed as the opposite sex, mostly men dressed as women.
	And it turns out they have a paper.
	They have an academic paper.
	We quote it extensively in the book.
	And it's called Drag Pedagogy.
	And they tell you right there what it's about.
	They say, first of all, that it's not about LGBT empathy.
	They say it's about something else.
	They say the empathy, the caring about gay kids, that, they say, is a marketing strategy.
	They say that explicitly in the paper.
	They then say that its real purpose is to awaken queer, would say gnosis, I guess, but queer understanding.
	Secret knowledge, the cult membership.
	In your children.
	And then they say, and I quote, that Drag Queen Story Hour, they say it's family friendly, right?
	This is nearly, it's in the first paragraph of the conclusion, they say, Drag Queen Story Hour
	is family friendly, kind of in a wink, wink way.
	What they say is, it's not so much that it's good for families and their kids, but it's more of a,
	they quote, preparatory introduction to alternate modes of kinship.
	And then they say the family and family friendly when they advertise it that way means family as in the old school queer code.
	That means the other queers you meet on the street.
	Their cult.
	Their club.
	We have so much work to do.
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	You heard his promises.
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	Bye.
	If you're cis, I want you to message the trans person in your life and ask them what is one thing that you can do to lighten their load this week.
	Whether that be grocery shopping, folding laundry, doing dishes.
	Ask the trans people in your life if there's a task or something that you can offer them.
	to help with the burden that we're carrying because we're having to deal with all of this stuff right now while having to deal with all of the life stuff that we regularly deal with.
	And the regular life stuff that we deal with is life stuff and then there's transphobia and living as a trans person in the world and then there's what's going on right now which is all of that combined.
	And then send that trans person five dollars so they can get themselves a treat.
	Sounds like the trans cult James Lindsay has so eloquently charted for us is struggling.
	They want us to do their laundry now and then send them $5 for a frappe.
	I'm not sure you can get one at Starbucks for $5.
	Seriously, we have to take the threat very, very seriously.
	Why?
	Because it's about our children and it's about the mutilation of healthy children.
	What a day!
	We're doing three one-on-ones, back-to-back.
	We just had Professor Lindsay.
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	Let's go from the theoretical, the philosophical, and the historic.
	To the professional and the scientific with, perhaps, I think it's fair to say this, the bravest doctor in her field when it comes to the mutilation of our children.
	And a lady who's prepared to tell the truth about it.
	She's the author of this fantastic work.
	I have my dedicated copy in my hand.
	Lost in Transnation.
	Very, very clever title.
	A Child Psychiatrist's Guide Out of Madness.
	And we are honored to have her in studio.
	The one and only Dr. Miriam Grossman.
	Dr. Grossman, welcome to America First.
	I'm thrilled to be here finally.
	Thanks for having me.
	So I think we like saw each other from a distance in one of the congressional hearing caverns.
	You were actually testifying.
	I snuck in before the show to catch a little bit of your testimony, but this is the first time we actually get to talk in person in studio.
	It's far too easy, I must admonish myself, far too easy to make fun.
	We find these videos that Libs of TikTok and others have posted of just risible individuals, the blue-haired lunatics who are talking about the cisgender oppression.
	But I want this next hour to be about the serious aspects of all of this that is a cult and that is hurting
	our children.
	Let's have an update.
	Where are we at right now since we last spoke, since you last testified in Congress?
	Is there an awakening across America?
	Is something good happening with regards to this phenomena?
	Can you give us some good news to start off the hour?
	You know, Dr. Gorka, I was going to give you good news even if you hadn't prompted me like
	you have, because there is good news.
	And the good news is that we are winning and the tide is changing.
	It seems like almost every day, I mean, at least a few times a week, There is positive news either from Europe or from within this country.
	For example, just a few days ago the CAS report came out.
	Hilary Cass, a pediatrician, a very prominent pediatrician in the United Kingdom, was charged with reporting, investigating and reporting on
	what was going on at their large gender clinic, the Tavistock Gender Identity Service
	in London, which was shut down because of the dangerous practices that were going on
	there and putting young kids directly on the path toward medicalization without
	sufficient mental health evaluation.
	And the CAS report came out a few days ago after four years of
	of research and analyzing the data.
	It's almost 400 pages long, but Dr. Gorka, I will save you the trouble of reading it.
	Please.
	It said that so-called gender-affirming care has no evidence of benefit.
	And from now on, in England, there will be no puberty blockers,
	cross-sex hormones, or surgeries for minors.
	Yeah, this is amazing news out of the UK that at least minors are protected.
	What adults do is another issue.
	Let me jump in at that juncture.
	We can talk about other good news in a moment.
	The fact that that had to be stated That there's no medical evidence that it helps, which is the argument that psychologically it helps, it makes people happy.
	Life-saving.
	Life-saving, because if you don't do this, your child will commit suicide, this emotional blackmail that is done with the parents.
	If there's confirmation that there's no evidence, as a scientist yourself, as a medical practitioner, I still can't understand how in one field of science The decision was born to do this.
	Because if there aren't trials, if there aren't blind tests, if there aren't placebo tests as well, you don't do a new treatment, quote-unquote, if there's no demonstrable positive change in the patient.
	So how in this one area of child psychiatric health was there, what, a decision to suddenly use castrating Lupron drugs On children and people said well we're not going to do any tests so let's just do it.
	Okay because gender medicine does not follow the rules of medicine.
	I mean, we have a history in my profession, in the medical profession, of doing harm.
	It has happened more than once.
	And for that reason, we have certain rules.
	For example, we need good evidence, we need the preponderance of the evidence, especially on children, and especially on physically healthy children.
	They have nothing wrong with them biologically, physically.
	They have an emotional issue.
	But in gender medicine, all these rules have been bypassed.
	Now, can one map how that occurred?
	Was it medical associations, activists inside medical associations?
	Was it rogue doctors saying, I'm going to do this and nobody stopped them?
	What was the transmission belt for these bad ideas?
	Well, I go into that quite a bit in the book, but basically, yeah, there was a transmission belt, and it was activists who, you know, feel very strongly about their agenda, and they kind of steamroll their agenda through the associations by taking control of the committees or the workgroups that are charged with making decisions on these issues.
	Like those responsible for the diagnostic manual?
	Correct.
	The DSM, that's right, about 10 years ago, the American Psychiatric Association, a small group of a committee within the APA, decided to get rid of the name gender identity disorder and call it gender dysphoria because they were stating that the disembodiment, the unhappiness with one's body is not a disorder.
	That was the decision made at that time.
	So yes, it is activism within medicine, and people have to understand that there, especially in gender medicine, there is incredibly aggressive politics and activism, which is affecting every family in this country, or has the potential of affecting every family in this country, because if it's not your own child who comes home with this Bombshell announcement that I'm not your daughter.
	I'm your son.
	I'm not your son.
	I'm your daughter Then maybe it's your niece or your nephew or your neighbor or someone else You are a child psychiatrist and you have Jordan Peterson writing the foreword to your book Lost in Transnation.
	I want to echo what he said and want you to verify it for me.
	There's no other mental disorder, there's no psychiatric ailment that we affirm.
	If somebody comes in, if I came in and said I'm Napoleon or I think I'm a dog, There's no condition where the psychiatrist says, yes, you are Napoleon and here's a funny, you know, tricorn hat to wear.
	So what you're asking me is how do we deal with delusions?
	Yes.
	In psychiatry.
	And I agree with you that people who sincerely believe that they are born in the wrong body and that they are the opposite sex do have a delusion.
	Now, these people need a lot of help, and they need compassionate help.
	Yes, but they don't need affirmation in the delusion.
	That is correct.
	That doesn't help anybody.
	That is correct.
	If you're bulimic, if you're anorexic, you don't say, yes, you are fat, you should vomit more.
	And what's interesting is that in this CAS review that I just, the CAS report that just came out, they actually not only said that the medicalization, the hormones and the surgeries were harmful and not a benefit, they said the social transitioning, the names and the pronouns are not found to be helpful either.
	In fact, they are found often to be harmful.
	We're talking to the author of the essential book, Lost in Transnation, a child psychiatrist's guide out of the madness.
	It is, of course, Dr. Miriam Grossman.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	shh shh shh shh Yeah, my gosh.
	Um...
	Uh...
	Seven...
	Eight...
	Um...
	Eleven...
	We did eleven the other day.
	Oh, we did?
	Okay.
	Then... Oh, 13.
	And...
	Oh, 18.
	Oh, 13.
	Oh, 18.
	That's enough.
	Seven.
	I wonder why Joe Scarborough thinks America's doing just fine.
	We're doing just fine.
	What do you think, question mark?
	Eight.
	This is the head of NPR who just suspended the truth teller Yuri Berliner.
	It's URI.
	I know.
	Listen to what she thinks about her own civilization.
	I wonder why she hates it.
	And then 13.
	Joe Biden's latest tall tale.
	His uncle shot down and eaten by cannibals.
	What is he going to be next?
	his trip to Uranus.
	The Cass report, that's separate from the...
	Oh, 18, sorry. Once again, Victor Davis Hanson nails it.
	Oh.
	Voting for Trump is a vote for returning to normality.
	That's different from the documents that were released.
	Yes, those are called the WPATH files.
	The WPATH.
	Can we talk about that a little bit?
	Yes, of course.
	Still need titles, by the way.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we'll do those later.
	And those were leaked by somebody, right?
	The WPATH files?
	That was Michael Schellenberger.
	Schellenberger, right.
	That's UK as well?
	Is that UK as well?
	The WPATH files?
	No.
	It's American?
	That's an international organization.
	Right, right, right, right, right.
	I mean, I had some of that in the book, but he got a lot of attention because he's on the left, so he got a lot of
	attention for it.
	Let's come in with something.
	Still have a few others.
	We used 24.
	We haven't played 25 yet.
	21 or 22.
	Yeah, come in with 25.
	25.
	If I don't use at least half of these, Geoff's gonna be angry.
	21 or 22.
	Yeah, come in with 25.
	25.
	If I don't use at least half of these, Jeff's going to be angry.
	45 seconds.
	All right.
	Do your child's choice of clothing make you uncomfortable?
	you Does your non-binary child want to wear one type of clothing one day and the next type of clothing the other day?
	And by type, I mean stereotypically male or female.
	If this makes you uncomfortable, here's what I want you to do.
	I want you to go to a store.
	You can even buy it online.
	Buy something returnable.
	That is what you would consider opposite gender to how you experience life.
	Buy it.
	Receive it.
	Try it on.
	Do some private if you want.
	This is a very intimate, vulnerable experience.
	And stay with the vulnerability.
	How does it feel for you?
	To be wearing that dress, or skirt, or chinos, or suit jacket, or vest, or button-down, whatever the article of clothing is, right?
	No judgement.
	I wonder why Libs of TikTok is so hated by the left.
	All she does is repost.
	What the lunatics put on social media.
	That's a parent encouraging other parents to cross-dress their children.
	Which used to be something British politicians did in private.
	Now they're doing it with children.
	And I think it leads to abuse and eventually to mutilation.
	The woman who tells the truth about it from the medical perspective of somebody who believes in protecting the children is our in-studio guest, Dr. Miriam Grossman.
	The book is Lost in Transnation.
	Protect yourself, your children, and your grandchildren today.
	Foreword by the wonderful Dr. Jordan Peterson.
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	Dr. Grossman, in addition to the cast report, which you have read for us, but I will check out as well, we have the WPATH files that were leaked recently, in which you have doctors.
	One of the key selling points for the transgender socialization, then the hormones, and then eventually the surgery, is you want to do this for your child, otherwise they might commit suicide.
	This incredibly cynical, emotional blackmail.
	In the WPATH files, we have doctors ridiculing the parents, making fun of the parents, saying, oh, these idiots don't understand medicine, and we can do whatever we want.
	How does that happen in the profession?
	When did ideology inject itself?
	Do we have to go back to Kinsey and to money?
	Because you're inside there, you're fighting inside the system.
	Is it a more recent phenomena?
	It's certainly gotten worse.
	You're talking about a certain arrogance of medical and mental health professionals saying that they know the child better than the parents.
	And this is an arrogance that is dangerous.
	And it takes place, for example, when parents of adolescents are in the doctor's office and the pediatrician asks the parent to leave so that they can have a few minutes with the child, with the adolescent, speaking about sexuality and gender.
	Now, I tell parents that they have to carefully vet their pediatrician and otherwise they should not leave the child alone with the doctor because the doctor has been instructed, you see, by the professional organizations to say to the child things like, Are you having sex with boys, girls, or both?
	What do you feel like you are inside?
	Do you feel like a girl inside?
	Do you feel like a boy inside?
	So they are leading them on with these questions and introducing ideas that the child may never have thought of before, which you don't want.
	We want to protect our children's innocence.
	We don't want them coming into a doctor's office or a guidance counselor's or principal's office at school and hearing ideas that they've never heard of before.
	In fact, I just read a very powerful essay by a parent who There's a substack, Dr. Gorka, called Pit.
	Parents with inconvenient truths about trans.
	Incredible, incredible substack that everyone should be reading.
	So the one that came out today is an essay by a woman who describes how her adolescent son was introduced to the idea of transgenderism by a teacher at school was pulled into it, went on to take estrogen,
	was estranged from his family, because his family, his parents, would not agree to it,
	would not use the new pronouns and the new names.
	He was on estrogen. He became more and more depressed.
	He came home. He decided he wasn't a girl.
	He seemed to be fine. He committed suicide.
	Now, the schools have to be held responsible.
	And what I'm asking is, how bad does it have to get for our Congress
	to investigate this and to have congressional hearings and put those people, those organizations,
	those heads of the organizations, on the hot seat and ask them what they need to be asked?
	I was listening to an interview the day before yesterday on a friend's show with a father from California, I believe, whose wife is about to castrate their son.
	And he's trying to stop it and the passion in his voice is reflected in what you just said.
	When is the political leadership going to say the castration of healthy boys for ideological reasons or the sterilization of young girls is wrong?
	Let me explain.
	You're talking about Jeff Younger.
	Yes.
	Jeff Younger is now living in California, moved from Texas.
	His ex-wife, a pediatrician, has been so-called transitioning their son, one of twin boys, and this boy has been living as a girl, and now that he's 10 or 11 years old, she wants to arrange for him to go on to puberty blockers.
	Now, when you say castration, people are thinking of actual surgery, but what we're talking about here is chemical castration.
	Because the puberty blockers are going to prevent the natural, organic process.
	In this boy's system of the release of testosterone, which will masculinize all of his systems and will lead to him being able to produce mature sperm.
	Turn him into a man.
	Turn him into a man, exactly.
	And it may also, going through puberty, often solves the whole issue.
	Yes, because the transformation or the identity confusion or the uncomfortableness is dealt
	with by arriving at that final destination naturally.
	We're talking to Miriam Grossman.
	The book is Lost in Transnation.
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	The ex-wife moved the family to California because it would be easier for her there to do the blockers, so he's also moved to California.
	His voice on this radio interview was... Well, he's fighting for his son.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Because some judge in Texas gave the mom full custody, I think.
	Yeah, some judge helped her out, right, right.
	Right, my pillow at the top.
	And then I'm going to use one of the mark cuts in D, but not here.
	Okay.
	You want to use another one?
	We have two left of the trainees.
	No, no.
	One of the things in the WPATH files was the doctors admitting that these kids can't give informed consent.
	And even the parents sometimes can't give informed consent.
	And they're realizing that.
	They're discussing it.
	And now I've seen these moves in various Democrat states to limit the statute of limitations to two years so these doctors can't be sued because they're worried.
	Okay.
	Which is interesting.
	They should be worried.
	Yeah.
	Which means they know the jig is up.
	If you're trying to limit the statute for malpractice, then they're on the run.
	It can take years for these young people to get to the point of realizing they really made a mistake and to have the strength to admit it to themselves and to the world.
	Are you finding allies in your field?
	Yes.
	A lot of them have to remain quiet and they talk to me from their cars.
	Gosh.
	Yeah.
	They don't want to be identified.
	But yeah, I'm being fed information about what's going on in hospitals.
	We're in the midst of this incredible medical calamity, medical scandal.
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	Dr. Grossman, Two things we don't talk about.
	Sadly, I think many have no idea this is going on, especially if you just listen to the legacy media.
	You think, oh no, children having their breasts cut off?
	Boys being castrated?
	That doesn't happen in America.
	We know it does.
	You've documented it.
	The WPATH file leaks have documented it.
	But even for those who know, there's this even darker aspect of it that isn't Broadcast from the rooftops that a the children who go through this and the adults, but the children especially are sterilized for life will never have sexual pleasure because what is done to them in the transgender surgery and also the inordinate proportion of Autistic children who are targeted.
	Can you verify that for me?
	Oh yes, that's all correct.
	I mean, not every single individual is going to be infertile or sterilized, but many of them, especially if these treatments are started early, before their bodies have a chance to produce mature eggs and sperm, then yes, they may be It's an atrocity.
	It is an atrocity.
	And to remove the healthy breasts of young girls is also an atrocity.
	that you're sterilizing healthy children.
	It's an atrocity.
	It is an atrocity.
	And to remove the healthy breasts of young girls is also an atrocity, absolutely.
	And then this idea that autistic children who have issues of being comfortable in general,
	relating to others, reading social cues, these are the children we should target for transgenderism?
	Yeah, they are especially vulnerable.
	And families that do have a child who's on the autism spectrum, and you may not even realize it, so families do need to go and explore what that means to be on the autism spectrum.
	Because sometimes they may just consider their child to be a little bit quirky and different, but actually they are on the spectrum.
	And why this is important, why these kids are so vulnerable to this social contagion, Is that these are kids who, because of their autism, have trouble reading social cues, have trouble fitting in.
	You know, middle school and high school is all about fitting in with your peers.
	So they're not fitting in anyway for other reasons, and then somebody sells them this bill of goods.
	You know why you're not fitting in?
	It's because you're in the wrong body.
	That's right.
	And they say the solution to your anxiety and to feeling socially awkward and all of that is really to live as the opposite sex.
	And to, you know, just try it out and see what it's like.
	And in the meantime, if they do that, they are just love-bombed, you know, 24-7, which is something they've never experienced.
	How brave you are.
	Yes.
	We love you.
	You're so brave.
	You're so amazing to be your authentic self, to take this step.
	And anybody that doesn't celebrate you as this new identity is not a good person, doesn't love you.
	And if your parents don't accept it, then they are transphobic.
	They don't love you.
	Correct.
	And they don't love you.
	Right.
	And your home may not be safe, they're told.
	And the role of social media in all of this?
	Well, of course, it's massive, the role of social media, because kids, and like I say to parents, I have a whole appendix on the need to be in control of your child's internet use.
	Because if you don't do that, trust me, there's many people that are just waiting for your child to come online so that they can groom them and influence them.
	I can't remember who said this.
	Apologies to the person who said this.
	I saw this on social media on a podcast a couple of weeks ago.
	The Internet, social media, isn't giving you access to the world.
	It's giving the world access to you and to your child.
	If your child is on social media, everyone on the planet with an agenda, with a cult-like ideology, suddenly has access to your child.
	That's how you have to think about the internet, and that's how you have to think about things like TikTok.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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	Ah, yes.
	I dedicate the book to the parents.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I saw that.
	So you're going on Prager Show or doing PragerU?
	I'm going to do a Prager... Oh, fabulous!
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	That's funny.
	Yeah, he's a good friend.
	I'm Catholic, but I call him my rabbi.
	Yes.
	A very sagacious man.
	Yes.
	Only been doing radio for 42 years.
	Who, Dennis?
	Really?
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	He started on Sundays with a show nobody thought would be successful.
	Religion.
	Yeah.
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	Yep.
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	Okay.
	I never got on Mark Levin.
	You tried to help.
	Really?
	Yeah, I never had him.
	Oh, I'll ping him again.
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	I'll send him this.
	That's the best thing.
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	Oh, Jeff, can you quickly find for me for the e-block a short version of the Monty Python, I Want to Have a Baby, from Life of Brian?
	Oh, that's a good one.
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	You are a woman of science, you are a medical practitioner, but I want to take you into my former realm.
	You are a woman of science, you are a medical practitioner, but I want to take you into
	my former realm, my first degree was in philosophy and theology, and try and get to the heart
	of this issue, which is really the denial of truth, the denial of what is patently obvious
	and demonstrable.
	There's been a kerfuffle at NPR over the last few days, that one of their editors said this is all groupthink here, you have to be left-wing to work here, you have to push the agenda of the left.
	That individual, Yuri Berliner, was suspended by the CEO of the National Public Radio, funded by us, and he has since resigned.
	His boss is Catherine Marr.
	Who used to work for Wikipedia, interestingly.
	Not exactly a font of the truth.
	And here she is talking about, well, how you need to understand the concept of truth.
	Katherine Maher, who runs our state broadcaster NPR, Cut9.
	The places where we are prone to disagreement, say politics and religion.
	Well, as it turns out, not only does Wikipedia's model work there, it actually works really well.
	Because in our normal lives, these contentious conversations tend to erupt over disagreement about what the truth actually is.
	But the people who write these articles, they're not focused on the truth.
	They're focused on something else, which is the best of what we can know right now.
	And after seven years of working with these brilliant folks, I've come to believe that they are on to something.
	That perhaps, for our most tricky disagreements, seeking the truth and seeking to convince others of the truth might not be the right place to start.
	In fact, our reverence for the truth might be a distraction that's getting in the way of finding common ground and getting things done.
	No surprise she's a fan of Wikipedia, which is a cesspit if you're a conservative.
	Look up her Wikipedia page about a fellow conservative and you'll see what I mean.
	But isn't it telling?
	Isn't this all part and parcel of the same adage?
	Don't be distracted.
	The truth, the search for the truth, Dr. Grossman, that's the problem.
	Well, you know, as Dennis Prager likes to say, The truth doesn't matter to the left.
	The truth just doesn't matter.
	And the examples that I have from my field of this is, for example, we spoke about the Cass report coming out and how it just is a scathing You know, analysis of gender-affirming care.
	It doesn't work.
	We shouldn't be doing it.
	The kids need psychotherapy.
	Do you think that organizations like the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, etc., etc., do you think that they have anything about this on their websites?
	Have they made any acknowledgement that this huge, groundbreaking report came out from England?
	Of course not.
	So parents going to those websites for help, parents going to their pediatricians and therapists, are not going to hear the truth.
	So what is the answer then?
	We've seen the UK ban transgender interventions for minors.
	Is it legislation?
	Is it the states one by one, such as Florida?
	Is it more books like yours?
	How do we solve this?
	Let me put it thusly, because you're inside the profession.
	Can the medical profession be salvaged?
	Because what happened to the Hippocratic Oath?
	First do no harm.
	There are moments In which I would say no, and that we just need to create alternative organizations.
	That's not an easy thing to do.
	You mean medical associations that actually believe in the truth for example?
	Correct.
	Because now there's so much groupthink and so much intimidation that even all of those
	pediatricians and psychologists and psychiatrists and social workers and everyone that doesn't
	believe, surgeons who are against all of this are intimidated.
	And they're not able to speak up, even if they are courageous enough to do so at the
	annual meetings of these organizations and in their journals, etc.
	They're not given the microphone.
	They're not given the opportunity to say, hold on a minute.
	We are castrating children.
	Maybe there should be some debate over here.
	I asked you in one of the breaks whether you have any friends in your profession.
	It was very telling.
	What was your response in front of our millions of listeners?
	What did you say?
	I have many friends, but they're all hiding in their cars when they speak to me.
	So they call you on their cell phones, not from their surgeries, not from their clinics, but hiding in their cars because they don't want any of their colleagues to know.
	They don't want to risk being discovered.
	Yes.
	Well, that's not good enough.
	That's the level of intimidation.
	That's like the Soviet Union type of intimidation.
	And it's extremely scary.
	But parents need to understand that they have to get educated on their own.
	And they can't run with their child to the gender clinician.
	They can't go to the website of these organizations that are not going to provide them with the truth.
	That was one of the purposes of my book.
	To reach parents and to educate them so that they know what this is all about.
	Not only parents who have a child who has distress about their sex, but any parent whose child might end up or whose neighbor or niece or nephew, you have to understand what this is all about and you have to protect your family.
	It's about our families, the building block of our civilization and protecting our children.
	We're talking to Dr. Miriam Grossman, author of the book Lost in Transnation.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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	here I've got an idea.
	Suppose you agree that he can't actually have babies, not having a womb, which is nobody's fault, not even the Romans, but that he can have the right to have babies.
	Good idea, Judith.
	We shall fight the oppressors for your right to have babies, brother.
	Sister, sorry.
	What's the point?
	What?
	What's the point of fighting for his right to have babies when he can't have babies?
	It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression.
	symbolic of his struggle against reality.
	I'm going to be back in a minute.
	Thank you.
	Here, I've got an idea.
	Suppose you agree that he can't actually have babies, not having a womb, which is nobody's fault, not even the Romans, but that he can have the right to have babies.
	Good idea, Judith.
	We shall fight the oppressors for your right to have babies, brother.
	Sister, sorry.
	What's the point?
	What?
	What's the point of fighting for his right to have babies when he can't have babies?
	It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression.
	Symbolic of his struggle against reality.
	Eric Eitel in that clip from The Life of Brian.
	He's corpsing.
	He's about to crack up laughing and he's just sitting there as the Palestinian jihadi whatever separatist who wants to have a baby of being a man.
	That's when this stuff was funny.
	That's when it was a comedy.
	Now it is...
	It's the devil's work.
	It's targeting our children.
	It's obscene.
	We need to prepare ourselves.
	We need to protect them.
	Your book, Lost in Translation, is dedicated to the parents who are struggling for the truth to protect their children.
	We've only got two minutes left.
	I want to ask you a very important question.
	You're like a voice in the wilderness.
	You're not calling somebody hidden from inside a car.
	You're out there publicly taking slings and arrows.
	Why, Dr. Grossman?
	This is so extreme, Dr. Gorka.
	This is so awful that I don't even feel I have a choice.
	You have to stand up against this evil.
	You have to stand up against the lies that are being fed to children and families.
	They're just simply lies.
	Male and female is established at conception.
	When the egg and the sperm unite, you have a new life.
	That new life is either male or female.
	There's only two options, and that will never change.
	And to mislead kids and parents to think that You know, that if emotionally a child might feel uncomfortable with their biology, and that those emotions should be honored and celebrated, and biology be denied, is very, very dangerous.
	You can't deny biology without paying a price.
	It's like trying to deny gravity or the need for humans to have oxygen.
	Both of those things are very dangerous.
	We cannot deny the truth.
	We salute you, millions across this nation, parents, brothers, sisters, grandparents, uncles and aunts.
	We salute truth-tellers, brave, brave.
	Warrior Queens like Miriam Grossman.
	Follow her right now at Miriam underscore Grossman.
	The website is MiriamGrossmanMD.com and the book, dedicated to parents across the world, is Lost in Transnation, a child psychiatrist's guide out of the madness.
	From a brave man to a brave doctor and now a brave female politician.
	I'm very excited about this one.
	She is the only third ever female to be Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.
	She's in studio, and she's going to tell us why she loves President Trump and why we need him back.
	Liz Truss.
	This is America First with me, Sebastian Gorka.
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	What a crescendo moment for our third hour, our in-studio guest one-on-one after a whole hour with the man who has mapped for us the critical theory destroying our civilization, Professor James Lindsay, to Dr. Miriam Grossman, one of the bravest doctors out there, to a woman who's, um, Stood on the battlements, representing her nation, and now has a book from my publisher, Regnery.
	I'm very proud to announce that.
	She's known formally as Mary Elizabeth Truss.
	Her friends and patriots across the pond in the UK know her as only one of three female prime ministers, the fairest sex from 10 Downing Street, the one and only Liz Truss.
	Liz, welcome in studio.
	Great to be here.
	And we are here to celebrate this.
	It is hot off the presses.
	You literally arrived in the United States yesterday, ten years to save the West, leading the revolution against globalism, socialism and the liberal establishment.
	I'd love to go straight in and talk about your experience, what you're doing today, why it's ten years, but can I just, as a former subject of the Crown, who was born in West London, grew up under Maggie Thatcher, one of the greatest leaders the West has ever had.
	Can I just geek out for a little bit and ask you what it's like, what is it like to be Prime Minister?
	Well, it all happened very, very suddenly.
	I was expecting Boris Johnson to go on for years.
	Regrettably, he was pulled down by the Conservative Party.
	So I went into a full-throttle leadership campaign, and then was on the threshold of number 10.
	And it was a tremendous feeling, because I felt there was so much that needed to be done.
	That Britain wasn't going in the right direction, our economy was stagnating, that we needed to do more to be tough on our adversaries like Russia and China.
	And I felt this sense of opportunity and destiny.
	And it's a great regret to me that I only was able to stay in the job for 49 days because I still feel there's unfinished business and so much that needs to be done.
	When we think of the people who've served, I think they've only been 56 or 57 prime ministers.
	I was 56.
	You were 56, so there's only three of you who are ladies.
	We played Churchill, perhaps one of the greatest leaders the West has ever seen.
	How much of his spirit, of the indomitable bulldog British spirit, is still there?
	When you walk into 10 Downing Street, does it still echo With the greats?
	With Maggie?
	With Winston?
	Or have we been driven?
	Have we been ground down by the globalists?
	I still think it's there in Britain.
	It's there amongst the British public.
	There still is that spirit.
	There still is that spirit.
	But too much of the power that used to reside in Number 10, that used to reside in our democracy, has been spread out.
	and has been taken on by unelected bureaucrats, it's been taken on by an increasingly activist judiciary
	and legal system.
	So I don't think the full extent of what we can do is taking place at the moment.
	I think that politicians have become neutered in the current political environment, and that's one of the things that I tried to change, and I believe it was why I was pushed out of office so quickly, is I tried to take on that establishment, because we have an establishment in Britain that does not fully back Britain being great again, to coin a phrase.
	There's unfortunately too much of an undercurrent of undermining our way of life and that is what I wanted to take on.
	And who did you threaten and what was it that you did that so threatened them that within a matter of a month and a half you had to be disposed of?
	I took on the economic establishment.
	So what I wanted to do was cut taxes, hold down public spending, get on with supply-side reform like fracking.
	I know you think energy prices are high here in America, but they're twice what they are.
	they're twice as high in Britain.
	So the British people are struggling because we have things like net zero legislation.
	We've got all of these restrictions on we can't frack.
	We've got a windfall tax on oil extraction.
	So I wanted to take on those vested interests that were stopping things like that happening.
	And what I found was when I put forward the mini budget when the chancellor put forward the mini budget the Bank of England you know our central bank should have been there backing the policies up.
	But they weren't.
	They were actually undermining the policies.
	They sold £40 billion worth of government debt the night before the mini-budget.
	Which makes it harder to finance what the government was doing.
	And to please who?
	Why were they so keen to sabotage your programme?
	Who were they pleasing?
	Well, there's a groupthink in Britain at the moment in the economic establishment.
	What these people believe in is big government.
	Keynesians.
	They're Keynesians.
	They believe in big government.
	They believe in high regulation.
	They believe in staying aligned with the EU.
	So even though we voted to leave the European Union in 2016, we still have all the EU laws on our statute books.
	So the same rules and regulations.
	They don't want to They don't want to do different, and they don't want smaller government, and they also want high immigration, because they believe that without more immigration, the British economy can't grow.
	Now, I believe the way you grow the economy is make energy cheaper, make housing cheaper, cut taxes, so that businesses... I'm a supply-sider.
	I believe that people, when people given, you know, keep their own money, then they go out and
	do great things.
	That's what I believe. So, but this group of people who work at the, you know,
	the Bank of England, the Central Bank, they work in the Treasury, they
	fundamentally don't believe that Britain can be that dynamic, fast-growing
	country. What they're basically about is managing decline.
	Wow. Which is very depressing as you say for the country of Churchill.
	And we had this before, Sebastian, we had this in the 70s.
	Yes, yes.
	We had the same attitude.
	The winter of discontent.
	Which is, it's not worth trying, we're just going to have to put up taxes because we can't compete in the world.
	But then we had Margaret Thatcher.
	Then we had the first female Prime Minister.
	We did.
	Then we had Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan and blessed Saint John Paul II win the Cold War and the Keynesians should have been dead and buried.
	A stake should have been driven through the heart.
	What is your explanation?
	They were only sleeping.
	They were only sleeping.
	Who revivified them?
	I think what happened is we got complacent.
	We thought we'd won the argument.
	Conservatives thought they'd won the argument that the USSR had disbanded, that communism was over, that we could stop spending money on defense, that we could just enjoy the fruits of prosperity, and we didn't really have to try very hard.
	And meanwhile, the left We're putting all their arguments forward.
	So whether it was the eco-extremists, the anti-capitalists, the people with the woke agenda who believe that men are women and women are men, all of those leftist forces were galvanising.
	And they weren't just trying to fight us at the ballot box.
	They were influencing our institutions.
	So I was a student back in the 1990s and I heard all this nutty stuff at university like Foucault and critical race theory and all this.
	I thought this this is claptrap I'm never going to hear again.
	But now, I discover it's in the civil service.
	It's even in the corporate sector.
	We need to unpack the recipe to fix it, to fight it.
	The book is Ten Years to Save the West by our special in-studio guest Liz Truss, former Prime Minister of the UK.
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	Where there is error, may we bring truth.
	Where there is doubt, may we bring faith.
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	To those waiting with bated breath for that favourite media catchphrase, the U-turn, I have only one thing to say.
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	Be pleased to inform Her Majesty that the White Ensign flies alongside the Union Jack in South Georgia.
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	What happens next?
	Thank you very much.
	Just rejoice at that news and congratulate our forces and the Marines.
	Of course the chairman or the president of the Commission, Mr Delors, said at press conference the other day that he wanted the European Parliament to be the democratic body of the community, he wanted the Commission to be the executive, and he wanted the Council of Ministers to be the Senate.
	No!
	Call me biased if you like.
	I was born in 1970.
	I grew up under that lady's prime ministership.
	And it was the best of times.
	Oh, how we miss you, Margaret Thatcher.
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	Liz, if I may, the Bright Honorable.
	I don't know if your mic was hot as we were playing those clips.
	She went up against everyone.
	The Soviet Union, the unions back home, the Argentinian junta, the crypto communists in Brussels.
	She was fearless.
	And you made a comment as we were watching that clip of the party conference, it may have been in Brighton, and she said, the lady's not not for turning this classic line and it panned to these
	old white conservative politicians who did not look very happy and you said under
	your breath yeah the same people I had to deal with today they're still there
	what is it is it it seems to be a self castration a lack of courage
	That woman stood up to everyone.
	What has happened to conservatism in the UK and here?
	Because I've said it when I was in the White House.
	I said it when I left the White House.
	Donald Trump won despite the establishment Republican Party, not thanks to the establishment conservatives.
	So can you give us a diagnosis for what has happened to our organizational conservatism?
	What I think has happened is the establishment has drifted to the left.
	So to be popular at London dinner parties, to have friends who are part of the inner circle, the elite, You need to have a particular set of views now in Britain.
	You need to believe in, you know, wokery.
	Things like the idea that a trans woman is a woman.
	You know, you need to be obsessed with climate change and net zero.
	But is it just for popularity's sake, really?
	Because this stuff is absurd.
	I think this social impact is very important and I have seen MPs start in the House of Commons with very sound Conservative views and I've seen them drift to the left over time.
	And they don't want to be unpopular.
	They have tons of leftist activists on social media telling them they're evil, telling them they're bad for being conservatives.
	And they want to be thought of as nice people.
	And they're not prepared to make the argument.
	I think there's a lot of money in being on the left.
	So if you want to get a job working in industry or you want to get on a corporate board these days, having those views is helpful.
	So I think there's a lot of pressure on people to move in that direction.
	That's what I've seen happening.
	So the likes of yourself or the likes of Maggie, you're the anomalies?
	Yeah.
	I mean, if you remember, Margaret Thatcher had 364 economists write that her economic policies were wrong.
	Now they turned out to be right.
	But you need You need to stand... and what I think has happened is she broke that.
	She broke the mould.
	She took on the British establishment.
	If you remember the Big Bang when she liberated the city and all the old stockbrokers who had been living a cosy life found themselves, you know, there was lots of new people, new opportunities and the old establishment were taken on.
	We've now got this new left-wing establishment.
	Which are very different from the old establishment we had in the 70s and 80s.
	But they fundamentally don't believe in the values of our country.
	They don't believe in patriotism.
	They're slightly ashamed of being British.
	They don't believe in some of the They don't believe in the country's economic success.
	They think it's more important to virtue signal about climate change than whether or not Britain can produce steel.
	We've just closed down our last virgin steel mill in the whole country because of net zero.
	So that is what is going on.
	But what about the British people?
	Here we have a little clip of a celebration of a historic event.
	17.3 million Brits voted for this, the biggest vote ever.
	Cut three, play the cut.
	Four!
	Three!
	Two!
	Now, that's Brexit.
	uhh...
	The British people want a Great Britain.
	They want national sovereignty.
	So are we just talking about an elite that is completely disconnected, or are the people losing faith as well?
	We are talking about a disconnected elite.
	If I go out and meet voters in my constituency, they tell me what they're bothered about.
	They're bothered about illegal immigration.
	They're bothered about how high energy costs are.
	No one is raising these other issues, the obsession of the They're not demanding for transgender votes.
	No, they're really not.
	Literally nobody on the doorstep has said there's a hundred genders and that's what we need to vote.
	So all of these things are happening.
	In our country, and I'm pleased that we've now banned children from taking puberty blockers, but these things were happening in our country despite the fact the public didn't want them.
	MPs didn't even want them.
	It was activist groups pushing these things and the problem is that too many politicians weren't brave enough to stand up to them.
	And as you see, people voted for change.
	In 2016 they voted for change.
	They voted again in 2019 when they voted for Boris Johnson.
	They gave him a huge majority because they wanted things to be different in Britain and they didn't want to be told what to do anymore by the liberal establishment.
	The problem is, Seb, the liberal establishment is still there.
	Yes.
	That's the problem.
	They're still there and Donald Trump is fighting them here in America.
	We're talking to the Right Honorable Liz Truss, author of 10 Years to Save the West, ElizabethTruss.com.
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	in a moment.
	We faced an establishment that never even wanted to listen to us.
	An establishment that never wanted that referendum to take place.
	An establishment that has tried for three and a half years to frustrate the will of the greatest democratic mandate ever seen in this country.
	We will leave the European Union!
	He's having fun in media.
	Nigel, why did you have to make your show on air scheduled the same time as mine?
	You keep asking me to be your guest.
	I got three hours of radio to do, but we need you back in politics, Nigel, the man who helped make Brexit possible.
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	We are back with Liz Truss, author of the brand new book.
	This is her first interview in the US.
	Ten years to save the West on this book.
	I want to talk about the broader phenomena, the connection of Brexit to the Trump phenomena, MAGA, the future of conservatism in general, but can I ask about The Brexit phenomenon, what happened afterwards, because that should have led to a sea change.
	Afterwards, we see UKIP, the Brexit Party, reform, all kind of founder and just not gain traction.
	Are the entrenched parties, the non-conservative conservatives and the elitist Labour, are they there forever or can something be done to push them out?
	It's a very similar situation to America.
	The Republicans and the Democrats.
	Very, very difficult to dislodge either of those parties.
	What we need is we need a conservative party that is going to deliver on Brexit, that is going to get the EU laws off the statute books, that is going to deal with illegal immigration, that is going to take on the vested interest and the establishment and the unelected
	officials.
	That is what the Conservative Party needs to do.
	And what...
	The public have been very clear about what...
	Well the public have been, I mean it's the biggest vote in UK history right? 17.3 million.
	Exactly and when the vote happened one of my constituents said to me,
	it wasn't just about Brussels.
	They said we put two fingers up at London.
	Yes, it was the elite.
	It was about being fed up with the way the country was being run.
	And not only that, just like with President Trump, it was cross-class.
	Northern Labour voters said no.
	No, did they not?
	I mean you saw across social economic strata, you saw this rejection.
	We certainly saw it across the country, but what we have, we do have a class of people who work in the public sector, who work in the big corporates, who work in the media, who are completely divorced from most of the general public who have to earn a living.
	And what is the spirit of those who live in the real world, for whom the price of gas is a factor?
	Has their spirit been broken?
	No, they're just frustrated. They are frustrated.
	Because as someone who's born in the UK, who served in the British Territorial Army,
	I couldn't believe it when I saw members of not just the Commons, but members of the House of
	Lords and billionaire barristers saying, we don't care about what the Brits voted for,
	we're going to stay in the EU.
	It was anti-democratic, open subversion.
	Yes.
	These people are still there?
	Yeah.
	Well, some of them have left Parliament.
	Some of them left Parliament.
	And Parliament, we have left the European Union.
	Yes.
	The problem is, we haven't changed the bureaucratic establishment.
	And we had a bureaucratic establishment that looked to Brussels.
	That's what they looked to for guidance, for permission about what they did.
	And now, they're still looking in that direction.
	We call that the deep state.
	We call that the permanent bureaucracy.
	It is, it's the permanent bureaucracy, it's the deep state, it's the administered state.
	We call it the quango-cracy.
	Quango-cracy, quango, quasi non-governmental.
	Yeah, we've got these quangos like the Bank of England, the Office of Budget Responsibility, the Environment Agency.
	Ofcom.
	Ofcom.
	And these organisations are taking decisions that should be taken by politicians.
	Well, who are representing constituents.
	Exactly, exactly.
	I'm so excited.
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	Why is it that so often it is the women Who show the fortitude that men should on the political platforms of the world, whether it's our good friend Marsha Blackburn in the Senate, or whether it's our new friend here in studio, author of Ten Years to Save the West, former Prime Minister of the UK List Trust, who recently said this on Fox News.
	Well, if you look at what's happened in Ukraine, what's taking place in Israel, what's happening with respect to the Chinese regime, the only thing these authoritarian regimes respect is strength.
	And the fact is the West has shown too much weakness.
	Taking the sanctions off Iran, trying to renegotiate a nuclear deal, I believe that was the wrong strategy.
	And actually, the free world felt safer when President Trump was in office, because those leaders were afraid of what Trump might do.
	You must be very alone as a leading political light, saying that President Trump kept us safe, which is just a statement of empirical fact.
	You feel a little bit like Churchill in the 30s, you know, telling us about, you've got to watch out for that Hitler chappie and we need to stand up to bad countries like, you know, Trump did for his four years.
	Are you alone?
	You'd be surprised how many Trump supporters there are in the UK.
	They're secret Trump supporters.
	Really?
	But there are a lot of people who understand that President Trump projected strength.
	And what we're seeing now is disastrous for the West.
	And I believe this election in 2024 is vital for the future, not just of America, but for the future of the free world.
	Because if that weakness carries on being displayed, we will see democracies lost.
	And we will see an advance of these appalling regimes that want to undermine our way of life.
	This is a frightening title for your book.
	Ten years to save the West.
	What is it that keeps you most concerned?
	Is it the rise of China, Russia, Iran and so forth?
	Or is it the internal self-sabotaging and loss of liberty inside our countries from our own domestic radicals?
	Well, it starts with the internal self-sabotage.
	Because of our weakness, that is what has encouraged and emboldened our adversaries.
	If we were strong countries that were economically successful, growing fast, showing self-confidence, projecting that we believed in ourselves, Then it's much harder for the likes of China to try and undermine us.
	But it's the fact that there's all this questioning, questioning of our history, questioning of what we've done in the world.
	The UK, I say in the book actually, that the US was Britain's greatest invention.
	Some of the ideas come from Magna Carta to the Bill of Rights to the American Constitution.
	But we have given the world Democracy, liberty, free speech, all of these ideas were fulminated in the United States and the United Kingdom.
	And yet we have people who don't believe in these ideas protesting on our streets, protesting in favour of terrorists, saying that basic biological facts don't exist, saying that we should somehow be ashamed of You know, what's happened in the past of our history?
	We should be proud of our history.
	So I grew up in West London, born to refugees from communist Hungary.
	And I went to an incredibly heterogeneous, eclectic school, to Ealing Abbey, to St.
	Benedict's.
	And I had one guy out of 600 at the school who could prove that he was English through and through.
	Everybody else was Polish, Pakistani, Indian, Jamaican.
	But we all looked at each other as British, and we were all proud to be British.
	Does that exist anymore?
	Yes.
	Really?
	It absolutely does.
	And by the way, people from Eastern Europe understand what communism is actually like.
	They understand what not living in a free society is actually like, which makes them some of the strongest patriots in the world today, because they understand what the threat is.
	And yes, British people are patriotic.
	They are patriotic.
	The problem is that their voices are not being heard enough in parliament, in public faith, in the media.
	So there's a total disconnect between what the media are saying the public think
	and what the public actually think.
	And I think here in America, there's more development of new media,
	there's more ways of reaching people.
	I think that public voice has developed.
	More opportunities.
	Yeah, and I think in Britain, you know, we've got a great channel called GB News.
	Oh, we know it well.
	Which is fantastic.
	And that is much more connected with what... But the permanent bureaucracy is trying to sabotage that as well.
	Yeah, they are.
	They're trying to say that it's not right that they have politicians on the channel, even though some of the other media have Labour politicians... Of course.
	...on their channels.
	So, of course, The establishment is trying to cancel these votes.
	My view is that Britain will be OK in the long term because you cannot gainsay the people.
	Ultimately, when people want change, and they've voted for it twice and it still hasn't been fully delivered, they will keep pushing.
	What my book is about is about saying Conservatives need to be brave.
	We need to harness the energy from those people to get a bigger bazooka.
	Because what I faced was, you know, I was there.
	I didn't have enough support.
	I didn't have enough backing.
	And I had a massive establishment force that essentially crushed me.
	But it doesn't mean the ideas are finished.
	No.
	I can't wait for Media Matters to clip this segment of the show and say, Liz Truss says we all need bigger bazookas.
	Well, this is America.
	You know, it's called the Second Amendment.
	The book is 10 Years to Save the West.
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	This is her first interview across the nation.
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	We are talking to the author of 10 Years to Save the West.
	56th Prime Minister?
	57th?
	56th.
	56th Prime Minister of the UK.
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	Liz, if I may, I'm going to play that every day.
	Just the kids of Harlem, black kids, white kids, shouting at my former boss, we love you, organically.
	That has to have the left, the elitist, terrified.
	But it would be remiss of me if I didn't ask you your reaction as a former head of state, as a person who understands the rise of populist representative government, the revitalization of representative government.
	The current leader of the opposition in America is facing 730 years in prison.
	Your reaction?
	It's pretty astonishing.
	I mean, we look at it, I don't know the details of these various court cases, but it seems extraordinary that they're all being brought close to an election.
	Yeah.
	And there are so many of them.
	Yeah.
	And I don't know how the American judicial system works or the justice system works, but it is very, very odd, to say the least.
	Are you optimistic that the good guys on both sides of the pond will prevail?
	I presume you're not leaving politics anytime soon, Liz Truss?
	Certainly not.
	Certainly not.
	We have to prevail.
	We have to prevail because what's the alternative?
	The alternative is our societies are undermined and we get end up being run by China.
	That's the alternative.
	That's how bad it is.
	What is your message to those listening because we have a global audience in the UK here who think it's all done for, I can't make a difference, they don't care about me.
	What's your message?
	My message is we Conservatives have to fight.
	The left are virulent.
	They are aggressive.
	They're trying to cancel us.
	They're trying to stop us saying anything.
	They're trying to stop us doing things.
	But we know we can win.
	I won the leadership election and became Prime Minister.
	We won the Brexit vote.
	President Trump won the election.
	And I believe he can win again.
	But you need to be on the pitch.
	And there are a lot of silent supporters of the policies we believe in.
	They go to work and they don't actually like the left-wing orthodoxy, but they don't dare speak out.
	So my message to people is you have to be brave.
	You have to be prepared to speak out.
	You have to have the courage of your convictions.
	And every person is important because this is going to be a ground-up movement.
	It's a grassroots movement.
	It's not going to come from the top.
	Nobody else is going to sort this out for you.
	If not you, then who?
	If not now, then when?
	You gotta be on the pitch or the sports field to win.
	If you're not in the arena, you can't win.
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