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	This is an assault on America.
	Nothing like this has ever happened before.
	There's never been anything like it.
	Every legal scholar said this case is nonsense.
	It should never have been brought up.
	It doesn't deserve anything like this.
	There is no case.
	And they've said it.
	People that don't necessarily follow or like Donald Trump So this is an outrage that this case was brought.
	This is political persecution.
	This is a persecution like never before.
	Nobody's ever seen anything like it.
	And again, it's a case that should have never been brought.
	It's an assault on America.
	And that's why I'm very proud to be here.
	This is an assault on our country.
	And it's a country that's failing.
	It's a country that's run by an incompetent man who's very much involved in this case.
	This is really an attack on a political opponent.
	That's all it is.
	So I'm very honored to be here.
	Thank you very much.
	It's an assault on America.
	President Trump earlier today in New York outside the court where the NDA, not hush money, the NDA trial is beginning.
	A trial that This is legally nonsense.
	The Federal Elections Commission said there is no crime to prosecute and of course the people bringing it are convicted perjurers like Michael Cohen.
	The great legal analyst Jonathan Turley is no Trump supporter.
	I think he's actually a registered Democrat and this is the best 49 second Explication of what is happening today in New York.
	Cut 11, Jonathan Turley.
	Yeah, everything about this case is, in my view, legally absurd.
	You know, this case is basically a state misdemeanor that had run out under statute of limitations.
	And Bragg was forced, after he declined for a long time to bring this charge, to do so.
	His predecessor rejected it.
	And so they took a dead misdemeanor and bootstrapped it into effectively trying a federal crime.
	But the federal crime here under election law was rejected by the Department of Justice.
	They didn't feel that this should be charged.
	So you have this crazy case that's going to go forward and it's going to turn on the testimony of people like Michael Cohen.
	And Michael Cohen just recently had a judge call him a serial perjurer.
	And he's going to appear as the center of this case.
	Legally absurd with a serial perjurer as the start witness.
	Right, we will share with you developments as and when we have them.
	Today's Monday, of course.
	Welcome to America First with me, your host, Sebastian Gorka.
	We have a very special guest for the manhood hour, a very courageous individual, an immigrant like myself.
	The second hour we will have one of the best Analysts of Miss and Disinformation in Studio, the great Ryan Macbeth, you don't want to miss that.
	But of course, we have to speak for a moment about what we witnessed over the weekend.
	First time ever that from more than a thousand miles away, the theocratic dictatorship of Iran launched a direct attack against the miniature state of Israel.
	Hundreds of drones and cruise missiles, incredibly killing no one, wounding one young girl, but a historic marker point.
	How did we arrive here?
	And what is the connection to Joe Biden and the MAGA movement?
	Because there is one.
	It's very easy.
	For four years, we had somebody as Commander-in-Chief who loved America, And who reassured those who liked America and struck fear into the hearts of those who hate America.
	That man was my former boss, President Trump.
	Today, we have a Democrat Party that loathes America.
	That subscribes to nonsense propaganda like the 1619 Project, that sees America as neocolonial, as based upon bigotry and slavery, and sees America as the world's problem.
	It is a very perverse time we live in, that the Democrat Party, which runs America, hates America.
	Just for a second stop, And analyze, for a second, what the phrase MAGA means.
	MAGA is, of course, the slogan that swept President Trump into the White House.
	MAGA is an acronym of Make America Great Again, but it's shorthand for what?
	It's shorthand for a diagnosis, a statement about the past, and a prescription for the future.
	Why?
	Because MAGA, Make America Great Again, implies what?
	That America once was great, is not great now, and should be great once more.
	That's the opposite of what the left believes.
	The left believes that America is racist, that if you're white, you're an oppressor, if you're black, you're the oppressed, and that we are the source of all the evil in the world.
	That is why America must be, to quote Barack Obama, fundamentally transformed.
	Look at the tools of the modern left, from 1619 to Black Lives Matter, an organization that is predicated on dividing America along racial lines.
	Look at the acts of this administration in the last three and a half years.
	Literally dismantling our national sovereignty, allowing millions of illegal aliens into our country, and what's more, funding our enemies, funding Iran that calls for our destruction every single day to the tune of billions of dollars.
	When you are run as a country by those who hate that country, Other nations notice.
	Nations that hate us, that see our principles of liberty, of freedom, of market democracy as antithetical to them and a threat to them.
	Putin doesn't want democracy in Russia.
	Sorry, Tucker!
	He's not a great leader!
	He's a murderer!
	He's a former KGB colonel!
	Wake up, you panderer!
	Likewise, Lil' Kim in North Korea and the murderous mullahs of Iran.
	They don't like democracy either.
	It's a threat to them.
	So when they see an elite that hates America, ashamed of America, running America, that's when they realize now's the time to strike.
	Now's the time for China to harass our vessels in international waters.
	Now's the time for what?
	For our enemies to make hay.
	For Russia to invade Ukraine again, like they did under the Obama administration.
	Again, a man who hated America.
	And then, of course, October the 7th.
	Now's the time to slaughter the innocents in their hundreds.
	President Trump loves America.
	Why else would he be prepared?
	To run again after four years of constant assaults, smears, calumnies, facing what, 730 years in prison?
	Why on earth would he do that again?
	Because he loves America.
	Why are our enemies taking action right now?
	Because they also know the polls show that President Trump is winning.
	And they have an ever-shortening, tighter window of opportunity.
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	you the president believes that
	what happened Saturday night was an extraordinary military success and that it proved Israel
	is not alone and it proved that Israel has a military superiority it can be proud of
	and that they ought to think about what that success, the message that that sends to Iran
	and to the region itself.
	He's also been very clear, Kate, that we don't want a war with Iran, we don't seek to widen and broaden this conflict, we don't want to see things escalate.
	Can you just put that back as b-roll, Eric?
	I've never seen anything in my life like that.
	Jeff, Eric, Alex.
	Has anybody ever seen a tie with one stripe in the middle?
	What on earth is that?
	Is that like a leftover from a thrift store in the 1970s?
	What is that?
	Is the knot green?
	The knot's green!
	And then half of the tie is grey and half of it's blue.
	Has anyone, please, has anyone ever seen anything that bad?
	That looks like it's straight out of a modern art museum.
	It's horrendous.
	Jeff, I know you're a big tie wearer.
	You love to wear ties every day to work.
	Have you ever seen anything like that?
	That is absolutely ridiculous.
	I'm glad you picked that up because I saw it too.
	Good, good, good, good.
	Did you catch the end of that?
	He said, the president doesn't want a war with Iran.
	It's incredible.
	We're America.
	Are you afraid of Iran or something?
	Are you inviting a war by saying you're afraid?
	Okay.
	What role do you have to play in pushing back on the left?
	It's very easy.
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	He's the former publisher of the Jerusalem Post.
	Far more important than that, he was my colleague in the White House.
	He's a dear friend.
	He's off to Israel imminently.
	Tom Rose, welcome back to America First.
	It's always a pleasure, Sebastian.
	Alright, I feel really bad.
	You were on my show yesterday on Newsmax, and I forgot to mention your Twitter.
	So now in front of three and a half million people, Tom Rose Indy.
	I-N-D-Y.
	Tom Rose Indy.
	Follow this man right now.
	Tom, we'll talk about what happened at the weekend in a second, but I have to...
	Kind of blows my mind, as an immigrant to this nation, I'm watching the news, we always have the news on quietly in the studio while we're broadcasting, and to see, you know, protests on the streets of LA, protests on the streets of New York, the Golden Gate Bridge literally shut down because of people who support Gaza are waving two, I saw two flags today, I saw the Palestinian flag and I saw the Antifa flag being waved side by side.
	This just hours after hundreds of drones and cruise missiles landed on Israel.
	Your reaction as a fellow American, Tom Rose?
	Death to America.
	That is a chant that Hamas supporters are now Echoing across the country, and these are the people that are being courted by President Biden.
	This is what Biden and Blinken and Jake Sullivan betrayed Israel and America for?
	These people?
	Joe Biden decides to abandon Israel over pressure he's getting from those who can with complete impunity?
	I saw a headline yesterday, I think it was, about the event in Chicago that you had referenced, and every single subsequent story about it I saw carried the same headline.
	Anti-war protesters do X, Y, and Z. No, these are not anti-war protesters, Sebastian, as you know well.
	These are anti-American, anti-Israel, anti-Semitic, war-mongering sons of a you-know-what.
	That's what they are.
	And the fact that the president is now shaping U.S.
	policy to appeal to them is something I don't think we've ever seen in our history before.
	Well, let's actually show that meeting.
	This is leftists planning for these protests in Chicago.
	And what are they chanting?
	Cut 15.
	Hands off the run!
	There's something truly perverse that Americans, I mean just take politics out of it for a second, that Americans in America are chanting hands off Iran, but I haven't seen anybody on the left chant hands off Israel after October 7th.
	Isn't that perverse, Tom?
	And this is, it's not only perverse, it's Bizarre, almost in an Alice in Wonderland kind of way.
	They're screaming hands off Iran as Iran is launching the most extensive, sophisticated, combined arms, cruise and ballistic missile and drone swarm attack in the history of warfare at Israel.
	Can I make one thing?
	Can I just make one point?
	You may, you may, you may, you may.
	Let me just say one thing here.
	Not that it matters, because Iran has no respect whatsoever for diplomatic institutions, but Israel did not bomb the Iranian embassy in Damascus.
	This is very important.
	This is very important.
	So what did Israel attack in Syria?
	People are saying, oh, the embassy, the consulate.
	What in fact did they target, Tom?
	The Israel Air Force targeted a four-story commercial office building in Damascus, the bottom two floors of which were leased by the IRGC, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, where its generals were meeting.
	These generals, these military officials, who again were in a commercial office building, We're not diplomats.
	They did not have diplomatic status.
	They were terrorists and they were targeted as terrorists.
	The whole thing is absurd because Iran has shown nothing but contempt for 40 years for diplomatic institutions.
	Does anybody remember the US-Iran hostage crisis in 1979 or Iran's Targeting for destruction, blowing up with a suicide bomber, the Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires in 93.
	Correct.
	These are the people who are responsible for funding and training Hamas, who were responsible for the slaughter of the innocents on October 7th, and long may they rest in hell.
	We're talking to Tom Rose, follow him right now at TomRoseINDY, former publisher of the Jerusalem Post.
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	It's hot.
	Why would you design that let alone buy that tie?
	That is... I didn't even notice that until you pointed it out and I'm just like... You gotta pay attention.
	You gotta pay attention to these things.
	Well, it's Kirby.
	I focus more on just how terrified he perpetually looks.
	He does.
	That is quite a library you have behind you, Tom.
	Oh, you're talking about... Yeah, I guess so.
	If he would resign, that would have such impact and power, but he would never do that.
	He's a disgrace.
	He's an utter, utter disgrace.
	I'm gonna play the cut from President Trump here.
	Cut 19, the long one.
	19, the long one.
	I'll do my pillow first, then I'll tee that up.
	Still need a title for Klein.
	Oh, for Klein.
	Something about...
	The lie that Biden said he's pro-Israel?
	No, he's not.
	He's a 501c3, so I don't want to make the headline political.
	That's true.
	Something about the importance of understanding Zionism, because you talked a little bit about that.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	the truth about Zionism.
	Mm-hmm.
	Do you stay with family when you're there, Tom, or do you have a place?
	I've got a place.
	Not a very nice place.
	I heard it was only one casualty.
	Has that been confirmed?
	Yeah, it was an eight-year-old Arab girl, Palestinian girl, who was hit by... Who?
	Shrapnel.
	Was in one of the shrapnel debris fields.
	Oh, wow.
	The idea that they're doing this literally, On the streets of New York, in San Francisco, hours after the attack.
	These people are soulless.
	They're completely soulless.
	And shameless.
	Victor Davis Hanson, I saw this morning, say that this will be the tipping point.
	Do you believe that?
	I'm not so sure.
	Tipping point for who?
	For the Americans to wake up and read.
	No, no, no.
	If October 7th wasn't... I don't buy this, and you probably know better, I don't buy that, you know, millions of secular Jews woke up after October 7th either.
	I don't buy that either.
	No, they might have, but then they went back to sleep on October 10th.
	Yeah, right, right.
	Trump was absolutely right.
	Any Jew that supports Joe Biden should have a taste.
	Actually, that's the most charitable thing he could have possibly said.
	Yep.
	I mean, I said it about Bibi, and he said, no, no, no, they don't hate Bibi, they hate Israel.
	That's right.
	All right, 50 seconds, standby.
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	Mega-nificent.
	Stunning.
	Just watching this footage live from New York, from San Francisco, from Chicago.
	And they're carrying these watermelon balloons, because I looked it up, because the watermelon has the same colors as the flag of Palestine.
	Oh, how cute.
	So cute.
	Forget about the murder of the innocents.
	Just carry a watermelon balloon.
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	We're back with our good friend Tom Rose, former publisher of the Jerusalem Post, and my colleague in the White House.
	I have to get your reaction to President Trump's announcement about what happened over the weekend.
	This was from his rally in Pennsylvania.
	Cut 19, please.
	Before going any further, I want to say God bless the people of Israel.
	They're under attack right now.
	That's because we show great weakness.
	This would not happen.
	The weakness that we've shown, it's unbelievable, and it would not have happened if we were in office.
	You know that.
	They know that.
	Everybody knows that.
	But America prays for Israel.
	We send our absolute support to everyone in harm's way.
	This is an attack that would not have happened.
	I mean, to think about what we have to go through and the things we put up with, with the border, With no energy independence, with all electric cars.
	Would everybody like to buy an electric car for the rest of you?
	But we will return the world to peace through strength, and it'll happen very quickly.
	I will revive American strength abroad, and we will restore American strength at home.
	We were respected four years ago all over the world.
	Today, we are considered a joke.
	It's not going to be for long.
	Believe me, it's not going to be for long.
	Isn't that first point so trenchant and also so tragic and poignant that none of this need have happened, Tom?
	It never does need to happen, and the proof is in the pudding.
	It didn't happen.
	You were there.
	I was there.
	It didn't happen.
	Something did happen.
	You and I were texting about it yesterday that I think is unprecedented.
	The White House, the State Department, even our Defense Department, coordinated with Iran and with Israel and France and Britain and our allies in the region over the timing of the Iranian attack, over the types of missiles, Even Iranian pre-strike propaganda?
	The purpose of this was to ensure that the assault could be defeated in order then to pressure Israel into refraining from response.
	As we talked about in the earlier segment, Sebastian, this was the most extensive, the most severe Combined arms use of missiles both cruise and ballistic together with drones in the history of warfare that Israel in the US and France and Great Britain and Jordan and the UAE apparently were able to intercept and destroy 99% of those incoming projectiles.
	Doesn't Mitigator change the fact that Iran's purpose here was to inflict devastating damage upon Israeli infrastructure, Israeli civilians, Israeli military institutions?
	And the White House followed it up by complaining that Israel didn't coordinate its hit on the commercial office building in Damascus on April 1 that took out Seven leading members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps command that was based in Syria.
	So you've got this whole thing that's turned upside down.
	We had scheduled a Security Council meeting before the first drones and bombs had hit, that is the United States.
	There were talking points already and the White House had leaked before the first bombs fell or were hit from the sky, destroyed in the sky, the White House had leaked that Biden was already pressuring Netanyahu not to respond.
	Yeah, absolutely stunning.
	Instead of making sure it didn't happen, allowing it to happen and just God bless the IDF, the systems put in place that defeated these missiles and these drones and also our military that were in the air doing as best they could with this Commander-in-Chief enabling, enabling our enemies at home God bless you, Tom.
	Can't wait to hear from you once you are back in the Middle East.
	Please follow him right now at TomRoseIndy.
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	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	67.
	Bye.
	Biden knew they were going to attack Israel.
	Biden knew Iran was going to attack.
	Was going to attack.
	You can put the camera on, guy.
	All right.
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	If I want evidence of bad people doing bad things and getting away with it, I only need to turn on the news.
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	All right.
	So, okay, I'm gonna use 18 here.
	18.
	Oh yeah, that's a good one.
	Chachachachachoo We've done 12.
	We've done 12.
	I'll probably do 13 as well.
	18, probably 12.
	Or you've done 12 already.
	We've done... We've done Chicago, 15.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	Chicago we've done.
	Of course we did all the first few for Klein.
	Did those already.
	Are you gonna reuse any of those or no?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	Just making sure.
	Clear them out.
	Can you play nine?
	Nine.
	Is it not fair to say though that there have been moves by this administration that have opened up cash and other opportunities for them which we know are fungible in ways that are not helping the Iranian people but are benefiting the elites and people there who chant death to America.
	You and I have had this fungibility argument before.
	I obviously take a different issue, I take an issue with that characterization.
	The sanctions relief that has come about, or it's not even sanctions relief, but the additional funds that have been made available to Iran due to a sanctions relief program that the Trump administration put in place, can only be used for humanitarian goods.
	It doesn't go to the regime.
	And the idea that the regime was somehow felt like they were freed up to support these proxies because of that, it just doesn't comport with the facts.
	They have been supporting It comports with their language though, saying we will use this money in the way that we want to use it.
	They can't.
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	But let's continue with a man who has the worst taste in ties known to man, the disgrace to the U.S.
	Navy, who is John Kirby, who, I guess he doesn't know how money works, and probably doesn't know what the word fungible means.
	Cut nine!
	Is it not fair to say though that there have been moves by this administration that have opened up cash and other opportunities for them which we know are fungible in ways that are not helping the Iranian people but are benefiting the elites and people there who chant death to America?
	You and I have had this fungibility argument before.
	I obviously take a different issue, I take an issue with that characterization.
	The sanctions relief that has come about, or it's not even sanctions relief, but the additional funds that have been made available to Iran due to a sanctions relief program that the Trump administration put in place, can only be used for humanitarian goods.
	It doesn't go to the regime.
	And the idea that the regime somehow felt like they were freed up to support these proxies because of that, it just doesn't comport with the facts.
	They have been supporting these proxies for many, many years.
	And it comports with their language, though, saying, we will use this money in the way that we want to use it.
	They can't.
	It's money.
	He admits it's funding.
	Jeff, how do you stop Iran when you give them another $100 million or another few billion?
	How do you stop them buying guns and ammunition?
	I'm confused.
	Is Admiral Kirby going to be standing there and say, you can't buy that.
	You can only buy this.
	No, it's easy.
	Just say don't.
	Oh, hang on!
	You mean like Biden said on Saturday to Iran about bombing Israel?
	He did say that, didn't he?
	He said, don't.
	Yeah, don't.
	And they didn't, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	It sums it all up.
	Just don't.
	That's a great message.
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	But in the meantime, quite the ad from the Trump campaign about lawfare.
	They want to take away my freedom because I will never let them take away your freedom.
	It's very simple.
	They want to silence me because I will never let them silence you.
	They want you silenced.
	And I am the only one that can save this nation because you know they're not coming after me, they're coming after you and I just happen to be standing in their way and I will never be moving.
	On November 5th, 2024, justice will be done.
	We will take back our country and we will make America great again.
	Thank you.
	God bless you all.
	Thank you.
	Thank you very much.
	Great job.
	What do you think of that, Jeff?
	What do you think of that ad?
	Should he be talking about that or about the economy and the border?
	I like that ad because it ties it all together.
	Because it's just who the Democrats are?
	Yeah, and it's just a joke that they're going after him, and it also shows how he doesn't really care about it.
	Yeah, and what do you think of this trial, this coverage?
	A friend of mine, a very smart guy who's been a guest a lot on this show, we had dinner yesterday and he said this trial, you know, this stupid Stormy Daniels, Michael Cohen thing, this could win it for President Trump.
	What do you think of that, Jeff?
	I think so, because think about it, too.
	The people that are upset about inflation, they're spending more money.
	You're thinking they're doing all this time and effort on this nonsense, when nothing's getting better at all with inflation.
	That's going to hurt them.
	Eric?
	I absolutely agree.
	And I think, especially with regards to that ad, why it's so powerful, most other campaign ads would be like, oh, you know, inflation under Biden has gone up, blah, blah, blah.
	That ad plays like a movie trailer.
	It's intense music.
	It tells a story.
	That is way more effective than conventional campaign ads.
	They're running a great campaign.
	All right, first caller of the day, and it's the one, the only, from Brooklyn, Judy!
	Happy Monday, Judy!
	Hey!
	Hello, how are you?
	I'm actually very well, I'm very well, thank you.
	Thank you for asking.
	I'm so glad.
	You have to be well.
	We count on you, okay?
	You're one of the voices out there, very important.
	You know, I wish I was a juror today in New York.
	No, but you'd have to hang out with the other jurors who are all lunatics.
	Judy, could you behave yourself?
	I don't think Judy could behave herself.
	But for the sake of the country, for the sake of President Trump, I can.
	Absolutely.
	I want to tell you something.
	I would never want to be a juror, but this time around, I would love to.
	All right, listen, moving on.
	First of all, by the way, there should be daily calls for releasing the Hamas hostages, okay?
	That should be the counterprise.
	We still have American hostages.
	It's incredible.
	The administration, the mainstream media, they never talk about it, Judy.
	Dr. Gorka, listen, shame on bad man Biden.
	That's what I have, a nickname for him.
	Bad man Biden, that's it.
	Now listen, why aren't the FBI arresting all these people calling for death to America as terrorists instead of parents, huh?
	Because they're working for the people who hate America, Judy.
	I think you know the answer.
	Who's paying them?
	Who's paying them?
	We are.
	We are.
	We pay for the G-Men.
	No, I know.
	Alright, that's FBI.
	That's Eric Holder's FBI, by the way.
	Yes.
	Eric Holder's FBI.
	He's the one that hired these left-leaning FBIs.
	They're not the same FBI from before, alright?
	They're long gone.
	But you know something?
	Hmm.
	No.
	Who's paying these lunatics that are doing this?
	They don't even know to find Israel on the map.
	We will be discussing that with an amazing in-studio guest next, but if I had to guess, it's probably the likes of George Soros.
	It's probably the people who hate America, who have far too much money and are trying to destroy it.
	A great call.
	We got through three topics with Judy.
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	And on the media saying things like, you know, Donald Trump, uh, was doing such a great job of deterring Iran.
	Here's some quick reminders.
	Okay.
	We killed Soleimani.
	Good job.
	I actually give Trump credit for that.
	That was a good hit.
	Iran responded by launching a whole bunch of missiles at a U.S.
	base in Iraq.
	A hundred soldiers were injured with traumatic brain injuries.
	Remember Donald Trump said, oh they're just some headaches?
	Yeah, not to those people.
	It's serious.
	How did we respond to that missile barrage against our base?
	We did nothing.
	Eric, who is that?
	That would be Adam Kinzinger, the disgraced former congressman.
	And why is he sitting there looking really unwell wearing a t-shirt with a massive CIA emblem?
	You got me, unless maybe he's trying to send a hidden message that he was a CIA agent all along, maybe.
	Who knows?
	I don't know, unless he's just trying to LARP us, like, oh, I'm intelligence.
	You know, kind of like Malcolm Nance, like, oh, I'm actually, like, super-secret intelligence kind of thing.
	So he thinks President Trump appeased Iran, especially when we killed General Soleimani.
	Let's ask somebody who probably knows a little bit more about the situation.
	This is the descendant of the last Shah of Iran, Reza Pavlavi, with a slight Slightly different take, Cutty.
	Well look, when you release money to a regime and give it more means to finance its proxies and use brutality at home, basically appeasement has proven that it only emboldens the regime.
	Yeah.
	It's very simple, Adam.
	And I think he knows.
	Jeff, I hate playing clips of Bill Maher, because I think he's a scumbag.
	I think this clip proves it.
	What's your take on Bill Maher?
	Aren't you a bit surprised that he said what he said in this next clip?
	I can't believe that he admitted it.
	And he acted like it was just no big deal.
	All right.
	Is this going to be the last thing we play from him?
	No, he'll do something stupid between now and the election, I'm sure.
	And is he just saying it to shock people, do you think, or does he mean it?
	No, he means it.
	Bill Maher is just human excrement, he truly is.
	And he said something about abortion, and it's not what you think he's going to say.
	This is the left-wing elitist Bill Maher, cut 13.
	I scold the left when they say, oh, you know what?
	They just hate women.
	People who aren't pro-life, pro-choice.
	They don't hate women.
	They just made that up.
	They think it's murder.
	And it kind of is.
	I'm just okay with that.
	I am.
	I mean, there's 8 billion people in the world.
	I'm sorry, we won't miss you.
	Bill Maher just said abortion's murder.
	And he's happy about it.
	Because there's too many people on earth.
	So kill the baby.
	That's the left.
	That's who these people are.
	We need to get them out of power.
	We need to re-elect President Trump.
	Get the yard sign.
	Get the t-shirt.
	Get the mug that says it all.
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	Dr. G is ready for anything on America First.
	It's a twofer today!
	You're gonna have my colleague, my good friend, fellow immigrant to the United States, Dinesh D'Souza, for the third hour one-on-one.
	It's the manhood hour, but because so much is happening around the world geopolitically in just the last couple of hours, we're going to have a special in-studio guest for the whole second hour.
	Somebody I have learned so much from and Continue to learn from every single day.
	But before we get to him, I need to share with you.
	I've just received this exclusive video of the incredible high-tech drones being used by Iran against Israel.
	Play the footage, Eric.
	Here, a big one came here.
	That was on my feet yesterday.
	It was somebody who took a toy plane, put some lights on it and said, this, this is the drone, the level of technology Iran has.
	And it might be actually close to the truth because of the hundreds of drones and cruise missiles that were fired this weekend against our friends in Israel.
	All of them practically were shot down.
	Only one injury, an Arab, an eight-year-old Arab girl, a Druze girl, is in the hospital.
	But God bless the IDF, God bless our US forces that were involved as well, and also the Jordanians.
	What is The truth?
	How do we separate fact from fiction and more importantly from disinformation?
	Delighted to have in studio a man who understands disinformation in warfare.
	He is, well, let's just say first things first, the important stuff.
	He got the memo about the summer suits.
	Ryan Macbeth, welcome back in studio to America First.
	Sebastian, thank you so much for letting me come back on your show and talk to your audience about the important topics of the day.
	I think you strive to make sure your audience is well informed.
	Well, with you, it makes it all the much an easy task, especially when we have somebody who comes with gifts.
	Last time it was cigars.
	This time it's his favorite adult libation, Angel's Envy.
	You are a scholar and a gentleman.
	First things first, I've got multiple clips to share with our great listeners across the nation and our viewers.
	Let's start with just the basics of warfare.
	Disinformation and misinformation.
	You'll explain the difference between the two, but this is from one of your freshest videos, Cut4.
	Could Iran invade Israel?
	And that is an opinion that a person can have, but there's not a lot of strategic depth to it.
	The fact is that neither Israel nor Iran could invade each other.
	million, you do the math.
	And that is an opinion that a person can have, but there's not a lot of strategic depth to it.
	The fact is that neither Israel nor Iran could invade each other.
	Neither country has the logistical ability to do it.
	I mean, what good is having 41 million citizens fit for service if you can't get them
	to where they need to fight, and once you get them there, they can't sustain?
	There's really only four and a half armies in the entire world that have expeditionary capability.
	That's the United States, Great Britain, France, Russia, and China's trying to get that capability.
	Iran has a handful of amphibious warfare ships, but if they tried to leave the Persian Gulf and actually transit to Israel to do a landing, there would be no more Iranian navy.
	And trying to move through Iraq or Syria by truck?
	Well, you get the idea.
	So just speculating on the idea kind of tells me that Jackson Inkle has no capacity for strategic thought.
	Don't get your intelligence from Jackson Inkle.
	Get it from a guy who drinks whiskey in his bathrobe.
	Cheers.
	While smoking a cigar.
	Now that account, Jackson Hinkle, is a well-known Russian propagandist.
	He's constantly pro-Putin, shoving out disinformation.
	But just a cursory glance at a map tells you that Iran, Tehran, is a thousand miles from Jerusalem.
	The idea that, oh, yes, Iran's going to take Israel.
	How prevalent is that kind of misinformation or disinformation, which just takes a moment to fact check?
	Is it effective?
	I think it definitely can be effective.
	I think the reason is that it's what you might consider emotional truth.
	I've called it truthiness before.
	Stephen Colbert kind of came up with that term.
	But emotional truth might be a better term, where emotionally you want something to be true beyond what the facts can actually support.
	And on a piece of paper, if you had two columns, here's Israel, three million, here's Iran, it's got four 41 million people for military service.
	You would say, well, in a fight, most likely the organization with 41 million people will win.
	But when they're separated by 1,000 miles... And you have to get them there.
	And to get them there, you need to take trucks, you need to take planes, you need to take ships.
	And Iran has around seven amphibious landing ships, most of which were made in the 70s and 80s.
	God knows what level of repair they're in.
	You know, once you actually get into the logistics, and oh my goodness, I should tell you my story about chicken sandwiches and logistics.
	Oh, would you like me to tell you the chicken sandwiches?
	We have the time for that?
	So I was in Egypt, right?
	This is how I realized the true power.
	Was this when you were in the army?
	This was, correct.
	I was in Egypt, and we found these chicken patties, these breaded chicken patties, at the back of our freezer.
	And we would rotate out these cops, these combat outposts, and so each combat outpost had a site cook and they had a freezer, and we'd relieve this one unit, and there were these breaded chicken patties that were stuffed in the back of the freezer, and they were about to expire.
	Now, the New Zealand contingent would actually go around to each cop and make sure that you were doing okay, and if they found expired food, you'd get like a demerit, right?
	Well, I didn't want to get a demerit, so I said, well, why don't we just cook all these chicken patties?
	We ate chicken patties for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
	For like, a day straight.
	And then I was like, well, my God, I don't want to throw them out.
	So I decided to give them to the Egyptian border guards who were right across the street.
	So I went over with a little bag of chicken.
	I'm the kind of man who speaks a little Swahili, and they can speak a little English, and from that, they're like, this isn't pork right now, it's chicken.
	And they were so happy.
	And I found out that they only got, every day, their first sergeant would stop by with a bag of rice and vegetables and drop it off.
	That was their breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
	Wow.
	And they only got meat when they rotated back in to their main base.
	I guess that meat was meat that had been rejected by their equivalent of the USDA.
	Wow.
	So you can imagine what that meat was like, right?
	And it struck me that our army is powerful, not because of our M1 tanks and our Patriot missiles.
	It's powerful because we can get more breaded chicken patties to Egypt than we could possibly eat.
	I have a story like that, an analogous story.
	So I was working in Garmisch-Partenkirchen, where we have a base, a US base.
	And I went to the PX my first week there as an instructor.
	And Garmisch-Partenkirchen is in the heart of Bavaria.
	This is, everything is green, cows with their cowbells, it is dairy land.
	And I walk into the PX and they have gallon jugs of American milk.
	And I'm thinking, now I know what a superpower is.
	We are in the heart of cow country in Germany and we're flying in fresh milk from America.
	That's the same point.
	It's logistics, right?
	It's logistics.
	Right.
	And amateurs talk strategy, professionals talk logistics.
	And amateurs talk on Twitter, apparently.
	Now, you said something very interesting in the reaction, the analysis of Iran.
	You said, emotion.
	You said something in your video today, that if what you read is eliciting an emotional response, it might be disinformation.
	Is that a correct quote?
	That's correct.
	People ask me all the time, Ryan, how do I detect disinformation?
	Well, you could be like me and have no life, work between 13 and 16 hours a day and read everything to know, ooh, that is disinformation.
	Or, if something makes you feel emotional, That might be a good time to pause and stop and think and go, alright, am I being manipulated here?
	Emotions are weird things, you know, and it's so easy, it's so easy to spread misinformation or disinformation and there is a difference.
	Oh, explain the difference.
	Absolutely.
	So, misinformation is getting the facts wrong, usually unintentionally.
	It's the same root of the word.
	You just made a mistake.
	Misinformation.
	No, absolutely.
	Mistake.
	Very good.
	That's an excellent way of putting it, to tell the difference between the two.
	So I might say, oh, Iran fired 400 drones at Israel yesterday.
	Well, it was more like 350.
	Honest mistake, right?
	You don't really know.
	It was around that number, right?
	But disinformation is intentionally designed to deceive.
	I'm going to craft a narrative.
	That I know is wrong.
	That I know is wrong.
	And I want to have an effect.
	Absolutely.
	To guide you to an opinion that I want you to have.
	Right, so think about it thusly.
	Misinformation is a mistake-based information provision.
	And then disinformation, which this man is the expert on, is a disingenuous.
	It is designed to deceive you.
	D. Design.
	M. Mistake.
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	I have a pair of those for special occasions.
	These are the ones that you could just buy in a little Navy store in the E.E.I.
	There was a guy, I guess he was like the Undersecretary of Defense or something.
	I met him at the Shelby's back room in D.C.
	and he was telling me, I guess he used to go on President Trump's plane and he said that President Trump would come back with a bag of Oreos.
	I just offer Oreos to everybody.
	Like, hey, does anybody want an Oreo here?
	Like, that's... that is... He'd eat Big Macs.
	I mean, we had to make... That's leadership, right?
	Like, I want to make sure my guys are fed.
	Oh, yeah.
	We had the Navy mess on Air Force One, but he'd order in Big Macs.
	It's like, you know, and the funny thing that people don't realize, so the first time I flew in Air Force One, I was hungry, so I ordered from the Navy Mess some fish tacos and a Coke.
	And 30 days later, I'm in the White House, and I get a bill from the Navy Mess.
	You have to pay for your food in Air Force One.
	Even though I work for the President as a deputy, you get a bill.
	Here's 14 bucks for your fish tacos.
	Yeah, I guess that makes sense.
	That just popped into my head.
	I know that there have been plenty of stories about Air Force One and I think one fascinating thing about it is the level that Air Force One is actually hardened against the electromagnetic pulse.
	A lot of people don't really realize how important this plane is and how much money was invested.
	And what you can do from it.
	What you can control.
	Absolutely.
	And from what I understand, after September 11th, it was President Bush who was like, I want to address the nation.
	I'm like, we can't do that.
	We have no facilities for that.
	And so after that, there was an effort to, like, how do we get a recording studio on here?
	And apparently, like, the White House Communications Office has this whole thing about how the president's supposed to look and the number of pixels and the framing and so on.
	So they had to get some kind of special equipment for the studio.
	I have to say, it's...
	As a vehicle, it's even cooler than the movies.
	It really is quite something else.
	And to be able to call your kids from Air Force One, and then they dial your kid's cell phone, and my 14-year-old daughter picks it up, and the operator says, I have a call for you from Air Force One.
	That's where dad gets very cool.
	That's where dad is super cool.
	That's absolutely amazing.
	I'm sure you have so many stories from that time.
	Oh, totally.
	We have that over cigars.
	Absolutely.
	I'm going to tee up cup four here.
	Four?
	Yeah.
	We played that already.
	No, sorry, my four.
	Twenty-one.
	Twenty-one, got it.
	How many cigars do you smoke every day?
	Honestly, not that many.
	I think some of it's a shtick.
	I can't smoke that much.
	Usually I'll have one.
	I'll typically go running and then I'll have a little one with lunch.
	And then at night I'll have a Toro size or bigger.
	But I can't have that thing hanging out of my mouth all day.
	I got stuff to do.
	Yeah, I tip. 21 PhD at the top.
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	I met our guest not long after my son introduced me to his amazing YouTube channel, Ryan Macbeth Programming.
	And since then, he has skyrocketed.
	He's famous now.
	He is wanted as a contributor on Newsmax.
	And this is how his average day is when certain scary things are happening in other parts of the world.
	This is a summary of an average day for Ryan Macbeth, Cut 21.
	Well, Kelly, Iran is like a homeless person on a New York subway, except they're carrying a ballistic missile and they want more than spare change.
	You know, Todd, this might be the end of it.
	Iran got to respond about the embassy attack.
	We got to farm XP last night.
	Everybody wins except me because I've been up since 4 a.m.
	yesterday and all I wanted to do was drink beer and watch Fallout.
	You know, I gotta tell you, Bob, to quote General Ulysses S. Grant, fighting Iran is like bringing a spoon to a knife fight in a salad bar on Mars.
	You know, Chuck, Iran is like Andrew Tate at a pie-eating contest.
	All right, you know, facing Iran in battle is kind of like teaching a fish to juggle.
	It's confusing, it's slippery, and best left to the experts, or maybe the fish.
	I've been up for 28 hours between this Iran attack in Australia, the walls are melting, and I'm carpooling in the official pace car of the apocalypse, but I definitely think we're going to see President Biden stand strong with Iran in favor of National Ice Cream Day.
	I'm sorry, the stuff you're injecting, the humor, I just love it.
	A pace car for the official Apocalypse NASCAR, just absolutely hilarious.
	Are you enjoying the fact that everybody wants your analysis, Ryan?
	Yeah, I am very grateful to Newsmax for inviting me on.
	I actually shot that after, I think they asked me to do a 6am hit, you know, after I had been up all night.
	Because I was on the show, I had to go do something for another employer and then come back on at six.
	All right, yeah, I got you.
	I'm very grateful that they trust me to give them accurate information, but you got to inject some humor.
	You must, you must, and we love it.
	You said something in your latest video that kind of, you said it and then you moved on, because you pack a lot of information in on your YouTube channel, Ryan Macbeth Programming.
	You said, truth isn't good for engagement on social media.
	And that was such a damning observation, and I think absolutely on point.
	Can you expand on that really heavy statement?
	Absolutely.
	So we lie every day, right?
	I'm 5'9", although sometimes I'm 5'10", right?
	Depends on whether I'm talking to a girl or not, right?
	So we lie all the time to make our lives more interesting.
	But sometimes on social media you need that extremism.
	You need to lie a little bit and you get a little bit of engagement because your lie worked, your lie tricked people.
	And so now, okay, you get that, you get the person who issued the lie, they get a little, they get that funny feeling.
	Oh wow, I'm important, I'm somebody.
	People like you.
	Because he got the clicks, got the likes.
	He got the hearts, he got the likes, absolutely.
	And then he got the replies.
	And I'm not immune to that either.
	I love it when I go on YouTube and people tell me, oh my goodness, Ryan, you're so smart, you're so amazing.
	I love that.
	Who wouldn't love that?
	So I think that behavior kind of tilts you toward saying more and more extreme stuff.
	And if social media companies clamp down on that, you're going to have a boring social media.
	If everything's super factual, nobody's gonna get angry and excited!
	Absolutely!
	And people, you know, get angry, get mad.
	Hey, buy the Lexus, buy this kind of makeup, get angry some more, buy this other thing.
	People like to get mad.
	So what's the answer?
	Just to have more Ryan McBeths?
	And let the platforms do their thing?
	That's a good question, because I do believe in freedom of speech.
	Although, when you're on a social media platform that is a private company, they can do whatever they want.
	I do not like the idea of the government monitoring speech.
	I don't like that idea one bit.
	I actually think there are two things that could actually probably help.
	One would be to use AI to detect certain kinds of misinformation.
	For example, look at this explosion.
	This explosion killed 200 Palestinians.
	Well, AI could easily look at that explosion and go, oh, this is actually from 2015.
	Right.
	This is an older video, and it's just being exploited.
	That's something that could be implemented now.
	You could also use AI to detect videos that have been generated by AI.
	AI can be pretty good at detecting AI.
	Are you worried about AI as a disinformation weapon?
	Yes.
	I am.
	In terms of generating false images, false narratives?
	Here's a video of President Trump crying in court.
	How dare you do that?
	How dare you?
	But the technology is there right now.
	You said something also fascinating about the fact that the San Francisco Bridge is being blocked now by pro-Hamas protesters.
	And you said, they're out there to make sure that America isn't shipping weapons to Israel.
	What's the problem with that argument, Ryan, geographically?
	Well, California's on the other side of the globe.
	If you were going to ship weapons to Israel, you would do it from the East Coast.
	You'd railhead those, do it from the East Coast.
	You could take a tanker or a transport And send it through the Panama Canal.
	But they have record drought right now.
	Water levels are really low.
	It wouldn't make any sense to do that.
	And this is a weapon.
	Information.
	Information is a weapon, but information can be used as a weapon to do something like shut down a bridge.
	In the old days, if we wanted to destroy a bridge, we'd have to send a cruise missile, have to send a bomber.
	Well, now we can radicalize people on a platform like TikTok and send them to shut down that bridge.
	And it's the same effect.
	Now, granted, you'd have to rebuild a bridge with a bomb.
	No, but you've shut the bridge temporarily.
	We've just shut the bridge down, which we used to have to do with a cruise missile.
	The power of information, disinformation, misinformation at Ryan Macbeth Programming on YouTube, RyanMacbeth.com.
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	♪♪♪ Yesterday, I think I was on four times.
	Well, I was on four times.
	In a way, I'm honored.
	They don't have to do that.
	I don't mind the money and I don't mind like in a way like I'm say I'm honored
	but like they don't have to do that you know and for some reason I watched
	Fox yesterday my former employer and they had nobody who was had any military
	And they started asking, and I like her, she's nice, but she's famous because of COVID.
	They asked Dr. Nicole Sapphire about her opinion on the war.
	And it's like, she's an MD.
	It's like, value added.
	I mean, so I talked about this before, that one advantage that Newsmax has, and people have, so I have some fans who are on a different side of the political spectrum.
	And some of them have gotten upset that I work for Newsmax.
	And I said, you know, look, I don't do politics.
	In the intelligence community, you can't get into politics, because if my company, Velocity, said, hey, we're going to do an intelligence assessment for AOC, I'd be the first one there.
	I would give her the best drawn assessment I could give, because she's going to make decisions based off of that.
	So, I've never been that big into politics, just in general.
	No, the amount of veterans.
	Yeah, the amount of veterans.
	So at Newsmax, I think I calculated it out at 15%.
	CNN has none.
	That's incredible.
	Fox News is a little bit better.
	I forget the actual number.
	I'm trying to do this from memory.
	But MSNBC has like one.
	It's like 2%.
	And I think I talked with you about this.
	The New York Times.
	The New York Times.
	In a magazine or in a newspaper of 8,700 employees, 28 were from the military.
	And not all of them are reporters.
	Some of them are janitors.
	And I think one advantage that Newsmax has is that you look at Carl Higby.
	You look at you.
	You look at Oh my God.
	Chuck Colton.
	You look at all these people, and what does that give you?
	That gives you a baseline level of understanding.
	It's a sanity check.
	Yeah, it's going to be really tough to pull the wool over Carl Higby's eyes when you say this is an assault weapon.
	This is a machine gun.
	I think he knows a little bit about machine guns.
	Right?
	Right.
	But we need to go shooting.
	We can go shooting.
	We need to go shooting.
	Absolutely.
	I remember we discussed that last time.
	Absolutely.
	So, when you...
	Sorry?
	You want to use cut 17 here?
	I'll tee it up.
	Yeah.
	One minute.
	Yeah.
	And it's just, you know, it's a check on saying dumb stuff.
	Absolutely.
	And now that doesn't mean, you know, a food critic has to be a chef.
	No.
	No.
	But you should have some people who know the topic.
	Who know a little bit about it.
	Right.
	And actually, the Washington Post is a little bit better out of all the newspapers.
	That's probably because people retire.
	And they're in D.C.
	And they're in D.C.
	Geography.
	Pillow at the top?
	Yeah, pillow at the top here.
	Yep.
	All righty.
	Welcome to the final episode of the series.
	I'm your host, Chris.
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	World War III is just around the corner.
	Cut 17.
	We need you to come into work.
	Why do you need me to come into work?
	We need you to come into work because Iran fired missiles at Israel.
	Yeah, but they do that every day with their proxies.
	We need you to come into work because they're firing them from further away.
	Yeah, I don't see... I was gonna watch Fallout.
	Yeah, you can watch Fallout here, only it'll be real Fallout.
	And by the way, you can't have your phone and no one will ask you anything.
	Why am I going to sit in a room if no one's going to ask me anything?
	We need you to do it because of the disinformation.
	Yeah, Iran is shooting missiles.
	I think that's just regular information.
	We need you to do it because we can bill you out at a really high rate and we're going to give you like 10% of that.
	Your tax dollars at work, man.
	Having been a contractor many moons ago and having worked for the Defense Department and the White House, that isn't just humor, that is very trenchant observation.
	Are you kind of fed up, Ryan, with the World War III is about to begin crowd?
	Because this has been a drumbeat for months now.
	So I'm actually of the opinion that World War III began two years ago.
	Oh, OK.
	It began when Russia invaded Ukraine.
	Interesting.
	Expand.
	Absolutely.
	So, I could even go back even further and say that it probably started in 2014 when President Obama did not stand up.
	To the Crimea invasion?
	To the Crimea invasion.
	Absolutely.
	Are you basing that on the fact that it's a nuclear nation that invaded another country?
	I don't mean World War III in the sense that I see nuclear combat.
	I think that one of the issues of nuclear weapons these days is that they're not that useful.
	Because it's the last resort.
	It's the last resort, but also back in the 1950s, 1960s, if you had to drop a bridge.
	We need to take out this enemy bridge.
	Well, back then, using a nuclear weapon, a tactical nuclear weapon, that made a lot of sense.
	Because you didn't have to be that surgical.
	You look at how long it took the U.S.
	and Vietnam to destroy the Thanh Hoa Bridge.
	It took us, I think, seven years.
	We've got thousands of tons of bombs on that bridge.
	We finally took it out with an early laser-guided bomb, one of the first laser-guided munitions ever.
	So I think that when you look at nuclear weapons, they're not that useful because you can do so much with smart weapons now that they're not useful.
	So what definition of world war are you using then?
	Where you have the forces of good against the forces of evil.
	I would say that's kind of the difference because we have two paths we can go down.
	We have the path of darkness.
	We have a world that's controlled by Russia, by China, by Iran, by North Korea.
	I mean, are we still the world's greatest democracy?
	Right?
	If we are, then we need to act like it.
	And part of acting like it is maybe not giving $10 billion to our adversaries.
	That might be one thing.
	That one comes up a lot, although Iran does.
	That's actually a good one when people talk about, we gave $10 billion to Iran.
	Well, unfortunately, they provide a third of the power in Iraq.
	So, let's talk about why doesn't Iraq have enough electricity generating capability.
	I think we might have to get him back for another hour.
	I want to discuss this World War III has already begun and I hope he is going to drop some videos on that as well.
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	Think it is the case I think that, you know, isolationism, I've said this before, I made it a quote.
	Isolationism is, you know, you're building the walls of your fortress so high that you can't see over to the threat outside.
	Right.
	And sooner or later something will hit you.
	If we had stood up to Russia in 2014, maybe this wouldn't have happened.
	If we had given Ukraine the weapons they need, I don't want to live in a world where Russia and China control the narrative.
	And my argument to my fellow conservatives who are isolationists is very simple.
	We would not be a free nation today.
	If George Washington hadn't been assisted by the Spanish, the Dutch, and the French.
	Without France, this is still part of the Commonwealth.
	I'm sorry.
	You're absolutely right.
	And this is Ukraine 1776.
	You're absolutely right.
	We owe a lot to the French.
	A lot of words in the military are French words.
	Casson, Bivouac.
	Ball!
	Ball is the French word for bullet.
	Lafayette trained us.
	We owe a lot to the French for our freedom.
	And the idea that you can just ignore the world.
	It didn't work in 1941.
	It didn't work in 9-11.
	Yeah, I mean, I kind of feel like, and I think I said this on Newsmax last night, that we have a president who's trying to watch the game.
	Hey, hey, I ran.
	I'm trying to watch the game!
	Leave me alone!
	Like, I mean, how many times has the President addressed the nation?
	Like, twice?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Three, I think?
	Twice, right?
	Right.
	And, you know, one was when Israel was invaded.
	Or not invaded, but it was after, yeah, one was after that.
	But I can tell you that it didn't happen after Ukraine, and he never made the case.
	He never stood up there and said, you know what?
	This, once Ukraine is taken, then we have Latvia and Estonia.
	Lithuania, and then Poland.
	Right.
	And Putin has been saying this for 20 years.
	He's been saying, it's not just Ukraine, he says the Baltic states are illegitimate.
	Poland is illegitimate.
	The idea that we triggered this, he's been saying this for 22 years.
	Eric, add the breaks.
	Okay.
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	No, not me.
	The most awesome voice in talk radio.
	No, not me, Dr. G.
	Stunning just watching the live footage.
	President Trump is going back into the courtroom today.
	The leader of the opposition, the State Department, just sent a demarche, I think, to Venezuela or Costa Rica, saying, you shouldn't try to imprison the leader of the opposition.
	How ironic, don't you think?
	Our guest in studio, it's been very remiss of me to not mention, he also has a substack, Ryan Macbeth.
	I love what you do, Ryan.
	I've been a huge fan of yours.
	I'm so excited that you're on Newsmax as well.
	I'm not going to push back on you.
	So if you want the real nuts and bolts analysis on disinformation, misinformation, ryanmcbeth.substack.com.
	I love what you do, Ryan.
	I've been a huge fan of yours.
	I'm so excited that you're on Newsmax as well.
	Can I, I'm not going to push back on you.
	I'm going to make an addendum to something you said in one of your recent videos, if
	I may.
	You said that the aim of disinformation is for the listener to doubt their government.
	I'd say yes, but I'd also add another, even more pernicious form of disinformation, where it's not doubting the institution of the government that the citizen is in that you're targeting, but targeting the very concept of truth.
	I look at the motto of Russian television, RT.
	And their motto, their tagline for years, and this is funded by the Kremlin, this is the stuff that Americans watch.
	Blows my mind that Americans watch RT, and they say, oh that's interesting.
	Their tagline for RT has been, question more.
	Meaning, everything's a lie.
	Doubt everything.
	Whatever you're hearing.
	So it's not just, they're not just attacking the US government, or what the DOD says, or anybody else.
	They're trying to Mess with your concept of truth in and of itself.
	Do you think that could be an extra kind of meta level of disinformation?
	You know, you must be a bigger thinker than me.
	You are the doctor, right?
	I think you could be right.
	I have never thought of that before, to try to get you to question everything.
	That might certainly be a tactic.
	Because I see this with a lot of conservatives, sadly.
	That, you know, everything, everything is a lie.
	And once you believe that, it's a dangerous place to be.
	I think it is good to have something like skepticism in some circumstances.
	But not cynicism?
	Not cynicism.
	When you look at something like science, people talked about code.
	They said, trust the science.
	All right, well, we should trust Science, but when you say THE science and you're putting a definite article on it, well, who's science are you trusting?
	Right.
	Who's narrative?
	Right.
	And one of the deals with something like science is that it's always moving, right?
	Like, it's always advancing.
	What we know about physics today, for years we used Newtonian physics, right?
	Well, as we get closer to the speed of light, we can't use Newtonian physics anymore.
	That doesn't make Newtonian physics invalid, it just means we've gotten more science and we go, alright, as we get closer to the speed of light, we need to use a different kind of physics, right?
	We need to use special relativity.
	So when you look at it, it is good to question things.
	And you could also say that information changes over time.
	For the longest time, I've always said that, look, Russia does things a certain way.
	They're very good at doing certain things a certain way.
	And over the past two years, if you look at some of my old videos, they're not valid anymore.
	Because Russia actually adapted.
	So if someone were to come to you and say, hey, Russia actually does, they do push logistics because that's what Ryan McBeth said two years ago.
	Well, now they don't necessarily do that anymore.
	They use a different method of logistics.
	So in some ways it might be good to question everything, but when you start to question everything, depending on your tone and the severity, you kind of just turn into a jerk.
	And talking of jerks, we don't rehearse our interviews even when we have President Trump on, we don't have talking points, and I haven't cleared this with you, but I just want to commend you because, not just because of what you do qualitatively, But you stand up to those who attack you for political purposes.
	So, you know, you are now associated with Newsmax, you come on this show, and this phenomenon that people attack you because you're apolitical, but you'll go on somebody's show.
	How do you deal with that, Ryan?
	I guess I just don't care.
	At the end of the day, I'm still making my mortgage.
	I'm still making my car payment.
	And I've met some amazing people.
	There is a guy, his name is Destiny, Stephen Bottle.
	I will be debating him this week.
	That is fantastic.
	He's a great guy.
	He is a fantastic guy.
	And his fans are some of the best fans I've ever met.
	And I think that you can talk to people who you might not necessarily agree with.
	And my experience, you know, speaking with Destiny, you better study because he's a smart guy.
	I'm sure you're gonna do fine.
	He's a smart guy and he checks his sources.
	And the fact that talking to somebody like that would elicit The tax is just... What does that say?
	It says you're closed-minded.
	I think it says we're closed-minded.
	We have more as Americans that we hold in common than we do that keeps us apart.
	I'm from Northern Ireland, and my family came here because they had to leave quickly, and I can tell you that I've never had to worry about walking down the street.
	I'm an Irish Protestant.
	I've never had to worry about walking down the street in a Catholic neighborhood and getting beat up or killed, and that's not something that some people who grew up in Northern Ireland can say.
	And that is an amazing thing about America.
	I have another friend of mine.
	He's Indian.
	Came to this country a couple of years ago.
	I worked with him as a software engineer.
	He moved down to Texas.
	Now he owns a gun, wears a cowboy hat.
	Talks about the border crisis.
	What's amazing is that we come here and people say America's a melting pot.
	I actually don't think it is.
	I think it is a giant fruit salad where everyone kind of keeps a little bit of their home culture and it's great because I like Indian food and I also like tacos.
	But we all mix together and we can kind of pick and choose what we like.
	I like Indian food too.
	Tacos as well.
	A fruit salad, not necessarily a melting pot.
	We're talking to Ryan Macbeth, my colleague at Newsmax.
	RyanMacbeth.com is the website.
	The substack for the deep dive is RyanMacbeth.substack.com and his YouTube channel.
	Seriously, he's doing funny stuff now.
	The shorts are superb.
	The deep dive analysis on disinformation is absolutely sterling.
	There is no one out there doing quite what he does.
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	It was back in the 60s.
	Oh, quite recently.
	Oh, wow.
	Yeah, this story was told to me once, and I was never told to ask about it again.
	Back then, there was Protestant-on-Protestant violence, and my dad made somebody mad and left the country.
	And for what?
	My aunt said, it was like, okay, well, here's your citizenship, and here's your draft notice to Vietnam.
	So that's kind of an interesting thing.
	Was he just a name for Truman or what did he do?
	He actually ended up working on Radar.
	Is that where you got your techy side from?
	I mean, I guess, yeah.
	I mean, I don't know, I got my techie side from working in, not working, I was in middle school and there was a girl I really liked who was in the, yeah, that's like the story of my life, in the computer club.
	And I just wanted to be, and I started doing computer stuff, like basic programming.
	I'm like, wow, I like this.
	And that's actually how I ended up in the army.
	So you started your MOS doing that stuff straight away?
	No, so for me, I was in high school and my dad wanted me to be a carpenter.
	He wanted me to be a carpenter.
	And to him, he managed a warehouse.
	And that was like the next, like, oh we have a trade, right?
	And I did the carpentry thing.
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	You've had a kind of, I don't know, when did we first connect?
	Maybe a year ago.
	It's been meteoric for you.
	I remember back then you had this programming job.
	You were quite happy.
	Then YouTube exploded.
	Now you've got four jobs.
	You're at Newsmax as well.
	What is your advice to those, because everybody wants to be an influencer, everybody wants to be a content provider.
	I know you work very, very hard on your YouTube channel.
	What is the thing that you learnt that surprised you or is most important to your success that you'd advise others?
	Boy, I think the one thing that surprised me is how much work it is.
	I work between 13 and 16 hours a day.
	But if there's advice I have, it is make good content.
	Make good content.
	Make the best content you can possibly make and learn how to edit, learn how to do things really well.
	And you will eventually gain interest if you have a good quality product.
	Yeah, the quality in and of itself will get you noticed.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	I mean, look, I'm almost 50.
	I'm not an influencer like some really attractive guy in his 30s or a woman who's lifting weights, right?
	How on earth is a guy who looks like me an influencer?
	At least an influencer in the intelligence space?
	Well... Content.
	Content, right?
	Content.
	It's certainly not my looks.
	I'm not lifting weights on camera.
	Right?
	It's content.
	But isn't it also quite damning and an indictment of the content universe that, right now, as far as I'm concerned, you're kind of a unique sui generis.
	There aren't a lot of Ryan McBeths doing a lot of content on disinformation.
	Isn't that a sad thing?
	It's good for you!
	It's good for me!
	You know, there aren't a lot of Ryan McBeths, but there are people who work hard every single day.
	Preston Stort is a good example.
	He is an excellent example at an officer who kind of takes an officer's perspective at geopolitics and intelligence.
	And I encourage people to look at his stuff as well, because we complement each other.
	There's enough cake for everyone to eat.
	He kind of gives the officer perspective, I give the NCO perspective.
	The pie.
	We always make it bigger.
	It's the American way.
	And now I have another channel to follow, Preston Stewart.
	In the meantime, Ryan Macbeth programming on YouTube, ryanmacbeth.substack.com.
	And don't forget, you can catch him, like, multiple times a day, sadly, if there's conflict in the world, on Newsmax.
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	This has been a very special one-on-one.
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	you you
	you do you remember the bill of goods we were sold a few years
	ago by a former senator from illinois who strangely i don't think he loves this nation because um well he made a
	promise about changing it gravely We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.
	Fundamentally transforming America, why would you do that?
	Do you love something that you wish to fundamentally change?
	And what did he do to those who tried to resist him?
	I want to use this hour to showcase an example of true manhood, a man who doesn't want to transform this nation because he loves it.
	He's an immigrant to this nation, a naturalized citizen like me, and he stood up to those who hate this country, like Barack Obama.
	I consider him not just a colleague here at Salem, but also a friend.
	Dinesh D'Souza.
	Welcome to the Manhood Hour.
	Thank you, Seb.
	Really appreciate it and thanks for those nice words.
	Well, I mean them sincerely, because you were targeted by that man once he became president, so much so that you're one of the first victims of the deep state actually being convicted of really not a serious issue of a crime, just some kind of campaign financing misdemeanor, and you spent time in prison as a result.
	Let me start with your story, Dinesh, because it's such an illuminating and stimulating and inspiring one.
	You weren't born here, so why do you love America so much?
	I came to the country at the age of 17 with $500 in my pocket.
	And it was a time when currency was restricted.
	So they were not allowed to bring any more money outside of India.
	And, you know, normally if you're going on vacation, that's okay.
	But I was coming for a year as an exchange student.
	And as it turns out, I then stayed on to go to college and made my life in America.
	So that $500 was kind of all I had.
	And so I was starting in that sense at the bottom.
	I mean, I even found it expensive to eat at McDonald's because it was going to, you know, sort of dilute the small capital that I had had with me.
	And I discovered in America not only the opportunity to start at the bottom of the ladder and make my way up, in other words, to achieve the American dream in a materialistic sense, But more importantly, to do things with my life that would have been really impossible, almost inconceivable, if I had stayed in India.
	So for me, America became that place where you get to be in the driver's seat of your own life.
	And a lot of my politics is really based upon that original understanding.
	And it wasn't just a theoretical understanding.
	I experienced the American dream in my own life.
	And when you hear individuals, politicians who rise to the White House saying that America is fundamentally racist, flawed, an oppressive state that needs to be fundamentally changed, how do you react to that as a man who chose to become a citizen of this nation?
	Well, I think from the founding all the way through the early 20th century, America was based upon a common understanding.
	Very interestingly, if you look at the debates, even that led up to the Civil War, both sides appealed to the founding.
	Both sides claimed the founding.
	Both sides professed to revere the Constitution.
	Of course, they disagreed about the correct understanding of the Constitution, but nevertheless, the Constitution was their guiding star.
	It wasn't until the emergence of the progressive movement in the early 20th century, starting with Woodrow Wilson, … than escalating with FDR, more so with LBJ, that we began to see an attack on the founding and a definition of a new ideology, progressivism, that measured itself by the distance that it created between itself and the founding.
	This is what Obama means.
	We need to move away from the founding, and that is what we call progress.
	Yeah, yeah.
	A very strange definition of progress.
	When we talk to our guests on the Manhood Hour, we try to ask each one of them a handful of key questions, common questions.
	You are probably best positioned to answer one of them, which is the ideological one.
	When we see the assault on masculinity, the assault on classical concepts of virtue, Judeo-Christian value systems, the concept of the Westphalian state, sovereignty, on and on and on, where would you put the epicenter of that ideological assault.
	Is it the media?
	Is it the colleges?
	Who is driving this un-American, anti-American ideological assault the most?
	Is it a coterie of unelected members of the elite?
	If you had to identify the true epicenter of that assault, where does it generate from?
	It generates from a certain rebellion of the soul.
	Because I think it's wrong to say, some people would say that it obviously begins in academia.
	It's baked in academia and then transmitted and promulgated by the media and Hollywood and the political actors.
	And I think in chronological order, that may be true.
	But again, the sort of activism that motivates The professors in academia is the same activism that motivates the ideologues in the media and in Hollywood.
	It's just that academia perhaps gives this ideology its most kind of Elaborate formulation.
	It creates, if you will, the indoctrination manual that is then popularized by the others.
	But ultimately what you have here is a fundamental division in the soul between two kinds of human being.
	One is the human being that the American founders envisioned and said, we want to make, we want to sustain, we want to preserve this kind of manhood, this kind of human being, and then a very different idea.
	So in some ways, it's not even quite right to say that Obama hates America.
	He hates the masculine idea of America.
	He hates the traditional idea of America.
	He hates the founder's America.
	He would like to create another America to which he would then happily salute.
	And are we losing that fight?
	Or is Trump an example of America waking up?
	If you had to take a snapshot right now, how do you feel about the future of the America you came to love?
	I would stack it up this way.
	I think that this is a center-right country in which, if we were to take a sort of poll in the original position, by the original position I mean prior to any kind of indoctrination, it would be 60-40 or 65-35 on our side.
	So the natural instinct of Americans, I think, is center-right.
	However, the big megaphones of the culture, the powerful institutions of the culture, the ability to propagandize and manipulate, that is heavily dominated by the left.
	So there's kind of good news and bad news.
	I mean, the good news is that even though we are getting walloped by these institutions
	day in and day out, normally you'd say that they should be winning every single election
	overwhelmingly because they have such control on the levers of power.
	The fact that we come out as well as we do 50-50 is amazing.
	But on the bad news side, we have a lot of work to do that goes beyond the 2024 election
	in either building our own institutions or effectively countering their institutions.
	I don't think we can win long term if we don't do that.
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	People have been beaten down so long and they feel so betrayed by government.
	So it's not surprising then that they get thinner and they cling to guns or
	religion or antithesis or what people want like that.
	And a way to explain their frustrations.
	The infamous Fondry's iPhone video of Obama saying, too many Americans, they just cling to their guns, their religion, they cling to their Bibles.
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	We like to ask our guests on the Manhood Hour when they faced really tough times in their lives, Dinesh.
	You had this ridiculous infraction to do with campaign financing.
	The Obama administration came after you, guns blazing.
	You had to do time.
	Was that the toughest experience you'd had to face in your time on this earth to date?
	Or was it a breeze because you knew you were on the side of the angels?
	It is pretty funny, Seb.
	Right before I went into confinement, I was chatting with a friend of mine and I said to him, I go, you know, I'm a little anxious about what this is going to be like, only because it is just something I've never experienced before.
	I don't even know what to expect.
	And the guy goes, he goes, oh, Dinesh, I mean, you'll be fine.
	You grew up in India.
	So it was his advice that I should not worry about it because there was nothing in there that I hadn't already seen.
	You know, I think for me the most dismaying aspect of all that was not the incarceration or the the kind of idiotic mandatory psychological counseling or any of that.
	It was that prior to that, I lived in a world really defined by Washington DC.
	I thought of myself as a sort of conservative intellectual, and I actually believed that I had more in common with, let's say, liberal intellectuals, people who are on the other side, because they read the same books as me.
	We published sometimes in the same journals.
	If I went to Trover Bookstore in Washington, I'd see, you know, E.J.
	Dionne from the Washington Post.
	I knew these guys.
	Now, very interestingly, several of them came up to me When my case first developed and they were like man Dinesh, I mean you're really getting the shaft I mean, I really feel bad for you and so on and I would be like, you know I really appreciate your saying that but right now it's only people like Megyn Kelly people who are right-of-center who are coming to my defense and
	If you said what you actually think, what you just told me in the Washington Post or in the New York Times, that would be really helpful to me.
	And then I realized this kind of awkward silence, and I realized that that was never going to happen.
	And so it was an eye-opening experience for me to realize that many of these people, some of whom I considered acquaintances, but others friends, We're really not, my friends.
	And they were ideologically beholden to Obama.
	And even if Obama had locked me up for 20 years over this trivial kind of technical offense, they would have been okay with it.
	They would not have said one word.
	It was very eye-opening for me in my whole understanding of politics and also of America.
	How did you get to be that conservative intellectual as you saw yourself?
	Because today, you know, you're constantly making incredible documentaries, you're writing a book every three weeks, you've got your Dinesh D'Souza podcast.
	For those who aren't familiar with the backstory, after you arrived here from India, would you walk us through that journey for us?
	Yeah, when I was in college, I fell in with a group of students who were right-of-center conservatives, and they were reading all these books that I'd never heard of, and they were having all these animated debates, and I was like, wow, I mean, what are you guys even talking about?
	So I began to read, you know, Hayek and Solzhenitsyn, and we were under the mentorship of a professor, Jeffrey Hart, who was a close associate of Bill Buckley.
	So I began to read the National Review, By the time I graduated from college, you know, the big question in my mind is, do I want to be more like William F. Buckley or like George Will?
	So I very much aspired to a sort of conservative intellectualism.
	And even when I came to Washington in the Reagan White House, I saw myself as someone more from the world of academia, the world of think tanks, bringing some of those ideas to government.
	In the second phase of my career, which is really since my case, I see myself very differently.
	I now see myself more in the general fray of things.
	Yes, I do try to explain and articulate and dramatize concepts and bring them to the big screen, but I'm less interested in trying to persuade the kind of unconvinced liberal intellectual.
	I don't have much confidence in that guy.
	I think that that guy is a bit of a fraud.
	And I would much rather use my talents, such as they are, to educate the ordinary American who may not have gone to Dartmouth or whatever, but wants to learn about the American founding and the Civil War and the Lincoln-Douglas debates and what is the relevance of all that today.
	I would much rather talk to that guy.
	So are we saying that you're targeting the apolitical center more today?
	No, not so much the apolitical center, although I am always trying to convince the guy in the middle.
	I'm also trying to educate and converse with, if you will, through the podcast and other ways, the right of center, ordinary guy, the guy in the Republican Party, the guy or the family guy.
	Not necessarily the guy who would read the old magazines that I once subscribed to.
	At one time my diet of reading was the New Criterion, the New York Review of Books, Foreign Affairs.
	So I lived in a world where it was a small group of people but we all read those magazines and those books and talked to each other and that's no longer my audience.
	I don't really care about that audience.
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	Where does that courage come from?
	You're indefatigable.
	You're made of Teflon.
	You won't let these bastards grind you down.
	Who are your role models?
	Where do you get inspiration for just continuing to fight the good fight?
	That's a good question, Seb.
	I don't really know the answer to that.
	I think I've come to the view that the safest place to be is on the front line.
	And not only that, but that the right attitude in this is not so much that I am summoning up unbelievable reserves of courage or rather that I am making fantastic sacrifices, but rather the fight is fun.
	I think this is actually Trump's view.
	We used to joke when we were at Dartmouth.
	It's also my view as well, but carry on.
	Yeah.
	It's the sort of notion that taking on Trump is like wrestling with a pig because not only does it get everyone dirty, but the pig likes it.
	We have to learn to like it.
	And I think you do, Seb, and I do.
	It makes part of what we're doing so enjoyable, even though the other side is ruthless.
	In some senses, we're outmatched.
	But nevertheless, by being creative and resourceful, we can throw some javelins of our own.
	I'm curious because for me it's a temperament thing.
	My wife has learnt it over time.
	She came from a very Episcopalian, wasp background.
	Her family never discussed anything conflictual ever.
	Then she meets me and my parents and it's like... Most people don't understand Hungarians.
	Imagine, you know, Italian slash Irish slash Jewish.
	I mean, no emotion was kept beneath the surface for more than a nanosecond.
	She's come over more to my side, not quite fully.
	That would be a little bit of an overstatement.
	But is it a temperamental thing for you as well that this, you know, because I revel in it.
	I don't I don't run from the conflict.
	I actually, OK, bring it crazy leftists.
	Bring it for you.
	Is it a temperamental thing or something acquired?
	You know, interestingly, it is in my case, I am not that way in person, but I am that way in my persona.
	So, for example, as you know, Indians in general temperamentally are the opposite.
	They're more reserved.
	They back away from conflict.
	And I'm generally at conflict avoiding in my personal life.
	However, you'd never know that if you follow me on X.
	Or you watch my films, or you watch me in a debate.
	So I think I have cultivated a public persona that is, you know, it's harmonious with my private persona, but I'm much more bold, aggressive, combative, and actually relish the fight in the public domain.
	On the other hand, if you and I got into a private argument, you would discover a very different Dinesh.
	Yeah, hang on.
	We hung out with each other for several days in Israel.
	And I've seen, not in argument with you, but I've seen behind closed doors, when you get that little twinkle in your eye, that mischievous little, you know, de Souza twinkle, and you are, I can see you're reveling in the moment.
	So I've seen it myself, Dinesh.
	All right.
	Yes.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Well, I was going to say it must be a part of my personality, otherwise I wouldn't be able to call upon it in the public sphere.
	So absolutely, I do think that it is.
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	Dinesh, where do we go from here?
	Because I think you kind of intimated that the greatest problem we have in dealing with this ideological assault on the virtues we hold sacred, the virtues of manliness, courage that built this republic, Is simply the lack of that courage.
	We see so-called conservatives who buckle, who aren't prepared to step into the arena.
	We see the great success of one man, Jordan Peterson, with his 12 rules and the tidy your bedroom, but it's a start, it's not enough.
	So where do we go from here, especially when it comes to the culture?
	You're one of the handful, literal handful of people, who are conservatives making cultural content.
	So give us a roadmap for clawing back our civilization.
	The roadmap is the creation, broadly speaking, of our own America inside of America.
	And that requires a step-by-step secession.
	From the existing institutions.
	Now, I recognize that that can't be done overnight.
	And I also recognize that we're going to have, you know, children and grandchildren that want to go to Disney.
	And there are certain places we have to shop at.
	And we're still going to be tempted to send our kids to schools that have big reputations because that often is a form of getting credentials to get jobs.
	But I think long term, our goal is very clear.
	We need our own schools.
	We need our own universities.
	We need our own movies.
	We need our own stand-up comedians.
	We really want to create our own America inside of America.
	And the reason for that is quite simply because it's too difficult to take back the institutions that have been lost.
	Can we possibly take back the media?
	No.
	Can we take back Hollywood?
	No.
	Can you take back 800 universities?
	No.
	And so you've got to use technology and use the kind of new environment that we find ourselves in to convince people and to build.
	I think what happens is many of us are doing our own thing.
	Tucker's doing his own thing, and then you're doing... We each are operating in silos, but if we can create a consolidated force In which we are offering people a kind of a way of life inside of America that is the founder's America, but now it's not the only America, then I think a lot of people will choose our America because it's just a better place to live in.
	Do you have an explanation?
	I mean, I totally agree with you.
	You can't fix Harvard.
	You can't fix... I mean, unless you fired everyone and then actually put some patriots in place.
	You can't fix... These institutions have a culture.
	So, you've made, you know, dozens of films and published dozens of books.
	Why is it that patriot billionaires Don't understand that this is the most important thing.
	That it's not, you know, a campaign ad for this candidate.
	It's building a TV studio.
	It's building a film studio.
	It's, you know, the fact that we've got one Hillsdale is insanity.
	I mean, we should have, by now, we should have 50 Hillsdales.
	You are getting funding for your projects.
	So tell me, Dinesh, why is it that the conservative billionaires don't seem to get why the number one thing, as Andrew taught us, Andrew Breitbart, is to get the culture products out there so the politics can flow out of them?
	What is their obstacle mentally?
	I think the obstacle is that they have not been properly indoctrinated by people like you and me.
	And what I mean is that the leftist billionaires have come to accept and understand.
	They've been tutored by the left to see that culture is critical.
	And what the left says is that if you do the things that we're telling you to do, we do have some cultural prizes that we can give you that are important to you.
	So, for example, it's very important to your wife to be on the board of the Lincoln Center.
	Well, we can arrange that.
	It's really important to be seen at the Democratic National Convention, let's say, sitting right next to Obama.
	Well, we can arrange that.
	So the left, because they've got these cultural trophies that they're able to hand out, We'll see you at the Oscars and so on.
	And these billionaires, they crave that.
	Because once you have a certain amount of money, having another dollar has a very low marginal value.
	Now you want to convert that money into being cool.
	I mean, look at Jeff Bezos.
	Why did he buy the Washington Post?
	Because he wants to be cool.
	But also because he has now been indoctrinated to recognize that that is a very powerful weapon in society.
	It's a way for him to advance his beliefs.
	Well, the conservative billionaires are not even close to being there yet.
	So they're used to, I make money in my business and then I do some sort of philanthropy.
	And they don't see philanthropy the way I think they should, as a massive investment in shaping the country that is a bigger legacy for you than whatever business you're involved in.
	But isn't there a chicken and egg situation there or a paradox that we'd have to create that ecosystem in the first place because the Oscars, the Kennedy Center, these are all left-wing institutions so we can't reward conservative billionaires with the wonderful gifts of these institutions because they're already woke.
	Wouldn't we have to produce our own in the first place?
	To some degree, yes.
	But to another degree, you know, the beautiful thing about having, once you begin to deploy resources in the way that say Soros does or others do, and there are people who have that wealth and more on our side.
	Yeah.
	Once you begin to deploy those resources, you can create those institutions
	because those institutions themselves are the product of a creative kind of enterprise building.
	So we can build those institutions.
	The problem is that we're not used, we have not created a culture of investment
	in those institutions on our side.
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	We had him on the show on Friday.
	Our good friend Nick Circian is in that movie.
	It's the latest from Dinesh D'Souza.
	You have to watch it.
	The Police State, jointly with Dan Bongino.
	SalemNow.com and PoliceStateFilm.net.
	Dinesh, we've only got a couple of minutes left.
	I don't want to end on a downer, but given that you've done that work, you've been concentrating so much on Really, the persecution of conservatives, not just yourself, but all the January 6th persecutions and so forth.
	How worried are you that we are on the precipice, if the right person doesn't win on November 5th, that the police state will be embedded in the structure of our government?
	Well, I think it's a high likelihood that we will go further down that road.
	And as I say in the film, we're not there yet, but on a scale of 1 to 10, we're probably at a 5 or a 6.
	And we could very well be at a 7 or an 8.
	And that imposes real suffering, real danger, real peril to the ordinary American family.
	I think from the left's point of view, if they can get a hold of the Supreme Court, and if they can win the House, then they've got it all.
	And so now the mechanism is in place for the full unleashing of tyrannical power.
	It's going to be very terrifying to watch and to experience.
	You're a very successful podcaster, filmmaker, documentarian, author.
	What is your message to those who are listening across the nation, about three and a half million people who think that their role in saving the Republic is nugatory and minimal because they're not national personalities like you or I?
	Well, I would say that we all have, particularly now in an age of communication, a pretty large sphere of influence.
	And by that, I mean not just the people, for example, who we can reach on social media or various networks of that sort, but also things that we can do.
	You can become a poll watcher.
	You can become a poll judge.
	You can run for school board.
	There are a lot of ways to extend your influence.
	Most of us use only a tiny fraction of the influence we have.
	So ask yourself, what is the most I can do within my sphere of life?
	Do that, and then you have done your part.
	Just like my wife and my muse, Katie, who hated politics and is now the chair of the GOP county organization for the largest county in Northern Virginia.
	If Katie can do it and she hates politics, nobody listening has an excuse.
	Thank you for being an inspiration and a role model.
	Please subscribe today to the Dinesh D'Souza podcast.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	You've been listening to the Manhood Hour.

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