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Welcome to America First with our special guest host, the political analyst I trust,
People's Pundit, Rich Barris.
And thank you, Dr. Gorka.
In for Dr. Gorka in America's First, I am Rich Barris, the People's Pundit, guest hosting again.
Last time it was the day of New Hampshire.
Today's the day before South Carolina.
So that's good.
That's my wheelhouse.
Let's do it.
Let's talk about it.
All right.
Tomorrow we are going to get into the what is probably going to be the last contested battle.
At least we always say this.
Of the Republican nomination.
This has been, in truth, and we talk about this because media love the headline, but we talk about this as if it's been a contested nomination contest when in fact this has been the least competitive non-incumbent primary in our lifetime, folks.
So tomorrow is South Carolina.
No candidate Has ever been taken seriously in a nomination process if they lose their home state.
Earlier this week, Nikki Haley vowed to stay in the race regardless of what happens tomorrow.
And I'm going to tell you what we expect first.
I'm going to tell you what we expect to happen tomorrow.
Pretty much immediately when those polls close, you could expect that they will call this race.
Now, it is possible Nikki Haley does a little bit better than her polling suggests, but here is the difference in a In less than a minute, here is the difference between South Carolina and New Hampshire for those out there who are wondering if there's going to be a monumental polling miss.
Nikki Haley is trying to get Democrats and behavioral Democrats to vote in the primary.
I have the pictures to prove it.
I have Democratic friends that are bombarded every day, every two days with a mailer, every couple of hours with a text message, regardless whether or not they hit stop.
But who is she calling?
The people she's calling, the people she's mailing, very different than New Hampshire folks.
New Hampshire, the Democratic base, is very white, very educated, and very wealthy!
And that is not the case in South Carolina.
In South Carolina, the Democratic base is primarily African-American, more than 60% African-American.
They are not as wealthy all around the rest of the state.
And they're not even as, they're not, I don't even know what category you'd put this in, but they're not even as Trump-Haiti as, you have Trumpy and Trump-Haiti.
They're not even as Trump-Haiti as New Hampshire, which is the state.
Where if there's going to be some kind of meddling or some kind of surprise, it would happen there.
So even if we gave Nikki Haley the benefit of the doubt and gave her the same numbers and same performance with a favorable electorate with what South Carolina has to offer, she would still lose by about 20 points.
Even if you gave her the exact electorate, it would be about 18.5%.
So don't expect any big surprises.
But unlike New Hampshire as well, South Carolina has winner-take-all provisions on both the at-large, which means the statewide delegate count, and the congressional delegate count.
There are three delegates per district, and it doesn't matter if you win that district with 49.9%, or you win it with 50.1%.
You still take all three of those delegates.
So the winner of the statewide vote will take all of the delegates that are at-large, which, by the way, are 29.
And then there are seven districts, three per district.
That's another 21.
Nikki Haley could potentially, potentially win South Carolina 6.
That would be a district where we could expect her to have the strongest performance.
But again, this is the South, and it's a little different.
And in the urban areas where they are super Trumpy, in Horry County and elsewhere, it is not the same as New Hampshire, where there are large chunks of white, educated, very wealthy Democrats who hate Trump so much, they're willing to vote for her instead of Joe Biden.
So even in urban areas, she's going to struggle, and we'd expect her to struggle.
In Charleston, which is Nikki Haley's home base now, her adopted home base, she would need a big, big margin there to even look like she's putting up a fight.
About 17% of the vote, a little less than 1 in 5.
And again, polling shows that the former president's actually doing very well there.
Last three polls that came out showed him leading.
And if they broke it down by congressional district, like Florida did, Florida Atlantic University, she wasn't even ahead in that district.
She was close, but not close enough for a polling error.
In Richmond, where Columbia is, that has an urban Democratic vote center.
However, again, it's not predominantly white.
It's predominantly black, and it's only about 2% of the statewide vote, or what we expect.
Horry County, which is Myrtle Beach, is going to be Trump country.
In fact, outside of Horry County, do we have the B-roll where we could show people this rally today in Little Rock?
At about 11 o'clock in the morning, I got a text message with somebody who was at this rally, and it was already huge.
This is not that text message, but for those on radio, I know you can't see it.
Line upon line upon line, Of people.
I mean, red hats, red shirts, as far as the eye can see.
The last time President Trump put on an event like this in South Carolina was Pickens, and the sheriff of Pickens and the fire marshal were having a heart attack because there was apparently more than 50,000 people who showed up.
This is going to be, again, a monster rally.
Nobody can do this like Trump.
South Carolina is not the state it was when Nikki Haley was the governor there.
It is very, very different.
10 years is a long time in politics.
10 months can be a long time in politics.
When Florida is not the same state it was in 08 or 2012 when Barack Obama won it and then barely eked out his re-election there.
Tons of people, working class Republicans and even upper income Republicans have poured into places like Horry County where Myrtle Beach is.
and even other areas of Charleston, Beaufort, areas like that where people
would expect Nikki Haley to do better.
These are people who left blue states not to bring blue state policy with them,
but to run the hell away from it.
And that's where they are in South Carolina now.
So it isn't even the state that looks back at Nikki Haley and views her time as favorable
because a huge chunk of them, third to 40%, have no idea who she is.
They weren't even, many of these voters who will come out and vote tomorrow
and already have voted, don't remember what it's like when Nikki Haley governed.
And then Allendale, by the way, is another area where Nikki Haley
can build up some kind of a margin.
It's Black Belt County.
It's a Black Belt County for those who don't know what that means.
This is like the old Southern Democratic kind of county where Democrats once dominated because black people weren't allowed to vote and they didn't let them vote.
And then the aristocracy of the slave class Now is basically the upper-crust Democrat.
That is the white, upper-crust Democrat.
There are, though, however, large shares of African-American voters who are Democratic voters.
She would need to not just persuade those white ancestors of the aristocratic, Democratic, you know, slave class.
She would need African-Americans to come over with her as well.
And this was a great article by Mark Caputo on his Substack bulwark, which is basically Committed to reporting on all things MAGA movement.
It's just not going to happen.
Black voters are put off, to say the least, by how many text messages that they get and they opt out of and she just keeps blasting away.
Look, Trump's going to win.
He's going to perform the best in the more white and more Republican counties.
But unlike other states, these votes are Concentrated in urban areas where normally we see Democratic votes.
And then again, he's going to crush it in the northwest part of the state, which is the Piedmont and the upcountry.
He's going to crush it there.
Haley once, she started, this is kind of really funny, she started her political career
in Lexington County, actually.
You'll hear her tell the stories about how she was such an outsider
when she first got there.
The fact of the matter is the Lexington County GOP endorsed Donald Trump.
So there's not, we're supposed to be looking at this state like it's her home base,
but it looks like it's Donald Trump's second home.
So again, what does this mean?
She vows she's going to stay in until at least Super Tuesday.
If you listen between the lines, that's what she really said.
But the fact is, this is a political death knell.
When you lose your own home state, ladies and gentlemen, she's humiliated in Nevada, losing to none of these candidates.
She's going to be humiliated in her own home state tomorrow.
All right, stay tuned.
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Or text it back to Jeff.
You know, but, um, oh no, I think Jeff.
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Let's get some thoughts here.
What do you think?
Should Nikki Haley continue doing this?
Uh, she made the case that this isn't the Soviet Union.
I don't know what that means.
But that's the case she made.
And, uh, that only a few states have, uh, have voted.
You know, I gotta give it to- And then, mics are on, on Rumble, right?
Uh, yeah.
And real quick, your first guest is on the line if you wanna talk to him real quick.
Um.
Okay, yeah, let's do it.
And you want the mics on or off?
Uh, let's prep him.
Keep him on.
Yeah, let's prep him.
Alright, mics are hot on Rumble.
Hey John, mic is- The mic is hot on Rumble, brother.
How you doing?
I'm good, Rich.
How are you?
You know, I'm having fun over here.
I gotta be honest.
I'm having fun.
I mean, today is basically just, I haven't started on Joe Biden yet, Nikki Haley's first, but you know, you got your own primary coming up.
Ken Paxton, Attorney General Ken Paxton, your buddy.
He's got a lot Not riding on this.
We'll talk more, of course, when we're outside of the break, when we come back from the break.
But I'm really happy you're here to talk with us about this.
Voting is, you know, it's not Election Day anymore, brother.
You gotta get on, you know, as you well know.
I saw your emails, I read your emails that you guys had sent out over there.
You know, it's a proxy fight.
There's no doubt about it.
Right.
No, 100%.
In fact, I just got something from a supporter that a PAC, that one of the PACs that was leading the attack against Brandon Gill, you know, the Trump-endorsed son-in-law of Dinesh D'Souza, they just sent a mailer attacking me now, too.
So, I've got their attention.
But, yeah, it's the Bush, you know, Never Trumpers versus the America First all the way.
Yeah, I saw a local Fox affiliate.
Uh, basically run a segment on this about you and Ken Paxton and that is, you know, which is kind of good.
It's good for you.
That's how they portrayed this.
That is how they portrayed it.
It is the old Bush guard and the, which runs the state house against MAGA and Ken Paxton and his allies in MAGA.
So that's a, that's good.
I mean, the more the media does that, the better because you, you know, you know, the district, you know, the state.
I mean, they tried with this already with Ken, it didn't work, which is why the impeachment was just so ridiculous, John.
I mean, and we've talked about this.
This is a law in Texas, is there not?
Impeachment wasn't even legal.
There was just an election.
50 seconds.
Yeah, no.
Yeah, there's, it's called, it's Texas Code 665.
You cannot impeach somebody for facts that were known to the public prior to an election.
Yeah.
Um, yeah, we got less than 50 seconds, so, you know, keep you, Stan, I wanna, I don't wanna blow all the good stuff, you know, for, before we get back on the segment here.
30 seconds.
But, uh, 30 seconds.
Okay, and I know you've had Nikki Haley out there, too, trying to get some money.
It's insane.
It's insane.
Alright, there's that.
I'm gonna go.
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Should Nikki Haley stay in no matter what happens tomorrow?
Should she, you know, carry on until Super Tuesday?
I want to hear your thoughts or whatever else is on your mind.
It's Friday, so let's freewheel it.
I have a guest joining us right now from Texas, where there's a huge proxy fight that is about to get underway, early voting and everything.
But it's been going on where the forces and allies of MAGA, America First and Ken Paxton, the Attorney General, have been going up against what is the old Bush Rove machine that still runs the state out.
So with me now is John O'Shea.
He's been endorsed by Ken Paxton.
Actually, the two of them have been friends for many years.
He's running in Texas 12 for Kay Granger's seat.
And how you doing, John?
Thanks for joining us.
Oh, I'm doing great, Rich.
Thanks.
In fact, I actually picked up another big MAGA endorsement last night from General Flynn.
So I was happy to meet him and receive his endorsement.
You preempted my first question, which is what I was going to bring up.
I mean, I was just saying during the break, I watched a local Fox affiliate segment on your race was highlighted because it's a congressional race.
But of course, there were undertones about the endorsements that Ken Paxson has made in the statehouse.
Very much pitted it as a proxy fight, pitting MAGA against the Bush, you know, which is incredible.
I mean, John, would most people find it funny to hear that the Bushes generally still run the statehouse in Texas?
Yeah, no, I mean, look, it's egregious, candidly speaking.
I mean, we've got, for those who are listening for the first time, and Rich and I have discussed this on his show before, but The Texas House has 150 members.
Currently, there are 86 Republicans to only 64 Democrats, and yet the House is run as if it's a Democrat-controlled institution.
Texas Scorecard, an independent grassroots journalist outfit down here, did a documentary called The Texas Heist.
And in it, they named the Dirty Dozen.
It's basically the leadership.
And they are all backed by the Bushes.
And they are the ones who, as a bloc, vote with the Democrats.
And then they only need to pick off a couple of other Republicans, all with the threat of, either you join our bloc and do what we say, or you're not going to get your legislation passed, you're not going to get key committee assignments.
We're going to support people running against you with the leadership fund and the campaign donations.
So yeah, it's been awful, but it's not the only place.
It kind of reminds me, it's reminiscent of the McCain faction in Arizona.
Senator McCain's been dead now for a while, but they still attack America first there fiercely, and they're just not willing to let go.
It doesn't matter what the populace wants.
Yeah, that's a key point, though, John, because the higher the turnout in a district like yours, for instance, in a primary, the better it's going to be for you.
They rely on low turnout.
They rely on traditional older Republicans to dominate primaries.
And that simply can't happen anymore.
And you very clearly, I see it all the time, images, pictures of banners with your name on it hanging from the top of overpasses.
I mean, you have these volunteers who go out and that's the only way you're going to change the dynamic of a normal primary electorate and get these people out.
And you have what appears to be a nice ground game.
I mean, How do you feel about the energy?
Not too many people have that many people volunteering for them, John.
They just don't.
No, and it's been truly humbling.
You know, I mean, and you know, you actually do know.
I imagine.
Because you're the one who did the polling.
Yeah, that, you know, here in Texas 12, which is mostly Tarrant County and then two thirds of Parker County, but 70% of the voters reside in Tarrant.
Tarrant's the largest red county in the country.
And so it is where there is a lot of attention.
There's a lot of Democrat money that comes in here.
There's a lot of never Trump money that comes in here trying to purple it up.
It's not.
It is a very ruby red area.
And, you know, your numbers showed that three to one, it is America first, you know, Republicans here.
And surprisingly enough, the demographic that showed the highest percent of, you know, kind of MAGA were the Hispanic and Latinos, which, you know, you polled at 80 percent.
And that's just what I'm feeling.
You know, The money from the establishment is lined up against me.
In fact, I just got a text from a supporter showing me that there's a PAC that's just sent out the first attack mailers against me, which, you know, I'm kind of flattered.
It lets me know I'm over the target.
But I don't care what amount of money they spend on mailers or TV commercials.
I don't see any other candidates that have, you know, four or five electioneers at every polling location telling people, look, here's who all the grassroots organizations are supporting.
You need to consider this guy.
You need to vote for this guy.
While I've been at the polls and these volunteers are talking to him, they've been able to persuade multiple people that, hey, the guy that you thought you were voting for really isn't conservative.
He's part of this dirty dozen cabal.
And so, yeah, you're right, it was necessary, but it was very organic.
I mean, even those bridge brigades that you mentioned, I had no idea that they were ordering those banners.
They did that of themselves.
And the t-shirts that they're all wearing as volunteers, they designed them, they bought them, they distributed them amongst the team.
We've got group chats going on morning, noon, and night.
Frankly, it's very humbling, and I'm very blessed that they've heard my message and believe it's genuineness that I really just want to serve and bring a restoration of our Republic.
Oh, it's that, it's the grassroots, it's that, it's the energy, and what, you know, your message, because you go to these forums, I've seen some of them, you go to these forums, versus what they think is name recognition, money smears attacks, and Listen, he was an ally, your opponent, Craig Goldman, your main opponent anyway.
They actually threw someone else in that race to try to split votes with John.
They did that.
I mean, that's a very typical Bush move, Karl Rove move.
They do that a lot.
They did it to the Tea Party.
They're trying to do it to MAGA candidates now.
But Goldman is the ultimate goal for them.
And he was a Dade feeling sycophant, was he not?
I mean, when they were impeaching Ken Paxton.
Where did Mr. Goldman stand on that?
Well, not only was he a vote for yes to impeach Ken, but as Ken alluded to at a fundraiser that he threw for me, and we've got it on video.
It's one of the text blasts that we sent out.
Ken says point blank that the night before the vote, they were bringing all the Republican House members into Dade's office, and it was Dade feeling the Speaker of the House.
It was Charlie Guerin, the party whip, and it was Craig Goldman, the caucus chair, and they all three were pressuring people to vote as a bloc because they didn't want it to be the Democrats with a handful of Republicans.
But it really was the Democrats who had led the impeachment effort.
It was just Dade Phelan's way of appeasing them and giving them a bone while also getting rid of somebody who rubbed him wrong as well.
Let me ask you, John, you know, from people who don't know John's background, yeah, we're getting really close.
I mean, the other day we crossed that $34 trillion mark.
When you get in Congress, I mean, unless we elect new people, is there any end to this flood of debt that is just impossible to pay off at this point?
I mean, where do you stand on this?
I mean, we need big change here, don't we?
I mean, we can't just continue to go along and get along.
No.
Well, and in fact, and that's kind of where I'm also like a lot of other MAGA candidates.
I'm a first-time office seeker.
I'm an outside business person.
I've spent 20 years in community banking.
In the last 10 years, running a group of family-owned businesses.
And, you know, no household, no business can operate this way.
Yeah, that's what I was just going to say.
Nobody would balance their own checkbook like that.
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I'd be happy to.
Guys, we could do that, right?
We got that for another segment.
There was just a couple more things I wanted to throw in there.
Hard breaks on radio, John.
Hard breaks on radio.
You know how it is.
Sorry, I didn't hear the music start up.
Yeah, that's all right.
Can you hear when they give you a couple of seconds?
Like 30 seconds, 10 seconds?
Can you hear that?
I mean, I'll stop you.
I can hear the producers, yeah.
Three and a half minutes until we go back on air.
It sounds good.
While we're at this though, I'm going to come back to that when we come back from the break, so I don't want to get too much into that.
Ten years ago, 20 years ago, even when President Trump was elected in 2016, obviously took office in 2017, there was a sense at some point we could grow our way out of this if we did spend, if we stopped the spending, if we did responsible.
It would take a while, but if You know, if the sky was the limit and we could really grow the economy, not with this kind of garbage, you know, not with the new normal, but the way it was under the second and third year of Donald Trump, that we could grow our way out of this.
But I'm starting to wonder if that's even feasible.
Not to sound like a Debbie Downer here, John, but I'm starting to wonder if this is even feasible anymore, or if we are headed for what are necessary cuts that are going to be unpopular with people.
Well, and I think we're getting ready to see another round of bank failures unless the Fed intervenes and steps in again.
And this one's going to be a hard pill to swallow.
So they're actually going to have to let some of these institutions take gas.
That's what I want to do.
When we come back from the break, that's why I was trying to tee up what you did for people who don't know.
Because we have this debt coming.
The Fed is a one trick pony.
Inflation was red hot again last month.
They didn't expect that.
Let's be real.
They had no idea that was coming.
And it didn't even come from food and gas.
Shelter, John.
Shelter was punishing last month.
So all they could do is raise the rates.
All they can do.
They have nothing else that they could possibly...
Well, you know, was it a Harvard study that said... Let's get into that when we come from the break.
90 seconds.
Okay.
Okay.
Go ahead, finish though.
We'll bring it up when we come back.
Oh, I just said that, yeah, I saw that there was a Harvard study that just came out that said 60% of runners right now can't afford to run.
Yeah.
Hey, Rich, can we get a quick five count from you?
Yeah, one, two, three, four, five.
I don't think so.
You're good.
Yeah, it was breaking up for a second.
Your feed froze for a moment, then it came back.
So we're good.
Ooh.
Yeah, I'm hardwired.
Let me make sure there's nothing unnecessarily running here.
No worries.
One minute.
Uh... Not really.
I gotta keep mail open.
You know.
Uh, one minute.
I'll give you a break, John.
We'll come back after the break.
Okay.
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I'm speaking with John O'Shea, who's running in Texas 12 to replace Kay Gerringer, who ran for her life after John announced he was going to primary her.
And ever since, it's been nothing but team Bush games against John in Texas 12, who has the endorsement of the great Ken Paxton, the attorney general down there, who is You know, fighting to take your state back, John, and you're obviously in the fight to take the country back.
And before we went to break, I started to get into your background a little bit because, of course, banking and finance is your wheelhouse.
You have a great deal of experience there.
And I wanted to bring up, because we talk about this a lot, inflation was red hot last month, brother.
People did not expect that report again.
Shelter was, of course, the number one reason for that index spiking the way it did.
We're used to food and gas.
I want to ask you this.
You know, we're at a point where the Fed's hands are their one trick pony and they're going to be tied.
You know, first of all, what do you make of that report and what do you make about what the Fed's going to do and then what we could expect from that if they do hike the rates as people expect?
They will.
Well, you know, we're getting ready to see very quickly just how nonpartisan the Fed actually is, because you're right.
Those reports were shocking and really dismaying, I'm sure, for them, because they had been signaling that they were actually going to let rates stay or actually even go lower to try and support economic growth during a presidential election cycle.
And now their hands are tied.
So they're either going to be doing the bidding of the Bidenomics and trying to continue to tout that narrative, And actually keep rates where they're at or lower them against the interests of the actual public wealth being or they'll be forced to recognize that inflation is just still, you know, burning hot.
I mean, look, I, you know, again, I'm running around between polling places right now.
And so I went and stopped and grabbed just a meal at a fast food place.
And it was 12 bucks.
And I mean, you know, that didn't break the bank or anything, but I just kind of stopped and thought to myself, you know, a combo meal at this place.
You know, not not three or four years ago would have been five or six dollars.
So, you know, if how can people afford that?
And in fact, there was just recently a study that came out from Harvard that said that right now, 60 percent of people who are tenants cannot afford the rent.
So, you know, this economy is really careening towards a cliff and, you know, something's got to be done about it.
But I'm afraid there just aren't enough adults in the room.
The last time we did see the Fed try to do something, John, they hiked the rates thinking inflation would ease off.
They had really no choice.
But when you do, you increase, of course, the cost of borrowing.
And there were some banks out there, Silicon Valley Bank and others, historic bank failures that didn't get the media coverage they deserved.
Do you think we'd be in for another round of those if the Fed did hike rates?
I mean, which, like you said, there has to be an adult that does something, but there
is a potential negative to that.
Well, the only way that they were staved off from being dominoes to kind of topple the
banking industry in general was the fact that the Fed opened up their discount rate window
and allowed banks to take their federal treasuries.
Now, understand this.
These banks are upside down, not because they've made bad loans.
These banks are upside down because they're supposedly risk-free investments.
Their treasuries and federal bonds are underwater so badly because of the shock of interest rates.
So they're taking a bond, let's say, that's worth $10 million, and they're going and pledging it at the Fed and getting $10 million back out in liquidity, when maybe the market value of that bond is really only $0.25 on the dollar.
So, you know, that runs counter to the whole rising or raising interest rates because that's quantitative easing.
You're injecting more money into the system, which, again, has a further depressing value on the dollar, which leads to, again—I mean, this is basic econ 101.
It's not like Jerome Powell needs somebody—needs to have us come in here and lecture him.
It's, are you going to be concerned about the American people and try and get inflation wrangled in once and for all and maybe let some of these, you know, banks topple and not bail them out with taxpayer money?
Or are you going to be more concerned about trying to support the current person in the White House?
Yeah, you know, I don't want to be a Debbie Downer here, but between inflation and $34 trillion in debt, you know, real quick in less than one minute, John, you know, when Trump was first elected back in 16, took the office in 17, there was a general feeling we could still grow our way out of this thing if we did have responsible cuts and we put the economy on all four cylinders.
We need dramatic change here, don't we, to course correct and give you about the last 40 seconds.
Yeah, no, 100 percent.
And the biggest way that he was going to go about accomplishing that and what he continues to tout was that we weren't just energy independent for the first time in my lifetime.
We were energy dominant, meaning we were exporting.
And you see what this current administration is doing.
That's a true source of new taxable income.
And so, you know, but it's a two-sided equation.
You have to get spending under control back to pre-COVID levels, and then you have to increase tax revenues.
And you can only do that through sound government policy, not through this juicing of the system.
John O'Shea, ladies and gentlemen.
O'Shea for Texas.
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Stay tuned.
We'll be back after the break with more.
Thanks, John.
I appreciate it there, brother.
I slipped your website in there at the last minute, but for people on Rumble, tell them where they can follow you real quick during the break.
Yeah, if they can come to O'SheaForTexas.org.
We had, in fact, talking about the campaign volunteers, we had a volunteer actually redesign and revamp the website, so it's a Whole new website, too, that is getting rave reviews.
But yeah, it's O'Shea, O-S-H-E-A, the number four, Texas.org.
Well, thanks, John.
As always, my brother, all the best.
You know, I'll talk to you soon.
As always, give Ken my best and keep up the good fight over there, man.
I'll do it, man.
You give my love to Laura.
Always, always.
Right back at you.
Okay.
Okay.
John O'Shea, everybody who was watching on Rumble, John O'Shea, go check him out.
That's such a huge fight.
Texas is the biggest red state in the country.
You hear what he said, by the way?
You know, I gotta leave this for radio, but...
I should leave it for radio, but I'll just repeat it.
80% in that district who said they were Republican, Republican-leaning voters, 80% of Hispanics said that they were America first.
More white people, or the Anglo vote, as they call it in Texas, certainly said they were America first over traditional Republican, which is a change from that district, by the way, over the years.
But Hispanics, the most The fastest growing demographic in that state and in that area is the most America First.
Is the most America First.
Those are calls, huh?
Ooh.
Yep.
Ooh.
Let's do, can we do, what, how long is the next segment?
Six, or no, eight minutes.
Eight minutes.
Eight minutes.
All right, cool.
You know what?
Let's jump back in because a lot of these are about politics.
Well, they are.
One's about Arizona.
One's about Pennsylvania.
The other one's about West Virginia.
Yeah, I mean, if we can, if we get people, if we get that many people on the line, you know, then like toward the end of the hour, if there's somebody not on, because we have guests, you know, in the next two hours.
So I guess we'll do them now.
Alright, cool.
Real quick, we also got a super chat on Rumble for you, Rich, from BigPenguinPolling for $2, says, Hey Rich, a coworker of mine is 63 years old and she believes everything the media says.
J6 and stuff.
However, she said she won't be voting at all because of inflation and the economy.
Thoughts?
I think there's going to be a lot of people like that.
You know, that's that prime age.
There's been a lot of talk about Democrats, Biden in particular, doing better with seniors.
She's just below that level.
But there is this feeling among those, and we've actually isolated it at about 65 to 74.
And then you get some of those older people, super seniors that do believe Exactly.
that the media is corrupt and lies all the time.
But that age group, something about it.
They're myth believers through and through.
And if they can't, a lot of them probably won't bring themselves to vote for Trump,
but they're not going to vote for Biden.
They're not going to give their stamp of approval for the guy.
So, you know, a vote that stays home and doesn't vote for Biden is a vote for Trump anyway.
Exactly.
All right.
20 seconds.
So, thank you so much for joining us.
Thank you.
And welcome back to America First with our special guest host, Rich Barris from Big Data Polls.
Thank you, Dr. Gorka.
That's right.
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Let's go to the phones.
We've got some interesting questions on the phone.
Let's do that.
Let's bring up Dave, who wants to talk about Maricopa County.
I get this a lot.
You got Dave on the line, guys?
Appreciate it, Mr. Barras.
Mega war room dittos from Maricopa County Center for Election Fraud in the country.
Really in the world.
Save this for a joiner for Dr. Gorka, though.
Is this your Wally Pipp moment for him?
I loved your show.
I appreciate that, Dave.
I really do.
Worry over Maricopa County is not unfounded.
I did, for people who don't know, I did testify on behalf of Carrie Lake in her trial, which was a really, you know, sad close out to that trial because I could tell that judge was looking at me.
I'm usually a pretty good reader of people.
He believed us.
He believed what I said.
He believes what the expert witness said about the image dimensions and everything.
I'm not testing them appropriately.
I will say this, and I always feel like I I mean it's incumbent upon me to say that Todd was like thrown under the bus by Stephen Richer and company because in order to testify I had to read this prep booklet and Todd and his team put a lot of work into trying to get Maricopa to to vote you know without a hitch and then something
Uh, when, when arrived behind his back, that's what I really do believe happened.
But you heard the president the other day on Laura Ingraham.
I do think that Maricopa is going to be a problem.
Fulton is going to be a problem.
Milwaukee is going to be a problem.
Philadelphia is going to be a problem.
You can't stop them from doing what it is they do.
That was just an indictment in Atlantic City, New Jersey.
They've been doing this forever, filling in votes that don't belong to them.
You can't stop them from doing it, but the president, finally, has the right idea.
You can swamp them, because there's this mistaken, this concept that's incorrect, that they can just keep feeding as much as they want through the machines.
They can't.
They're hoping for low turnout, because that increases the pool that they can play around with.
I'm trying to be in general terms here.
High participation reduces that and limits the amount of things they can do, if you guys
catch my drift.
So the president said, we're not going to stop them, but we can swamp them.
And that is the right attitude.
And that's why Republicans really have to change their views on even early voting, because
all it took was them to throw one little wrench into the spoke of the machine on election
day and it hurt Carrie Lake really bad.
Another 35 minutes of in-person early vote, and she would have overtaken the now-governor, Hobbs.
And that's something they have to avoid in the future.
Nancy, we got time for Nancy?
Want to talk about Pennsylvania?
Or from Pennsylvania, sorry.
Talk about Nikki Haley.
There we go.
Hi there.
You asked for people to call in and express their opinion about Nikki Haley.
And I can express my opinion about her in two words.
Nikki who?
That's so funny, Nancy, because a lot of people think, you know, the U.N.
ambassador job is some great level of experience and puts you on the world stage.
But, right, Nicky who?
It's a very easy job.
It's a job that people, the president will give to somebody when they want to get rid of them.
For people who don't know the background, he didn't like Nicky.
She didn't like him.
She endorsed Marco Rubio in 2016.
Her endorsement meant nothing.
Trump crushed him and her machine.
And he liked McMaster and he wanted McMaster to be the governor.
He loved that guy.
So we sent Nikki off to New York.
And the only people who got to know Nikki during her time in New York is the worst of
us, the political class, the foreign policy blob.
Her job really consisted of going to lunches and having people shower her with stuff and
building up a Rolodex for in case she ever wanted to run for president and could be the
military industrial complex candidate.
But Nancy's right.
The regular voter doesn't know who she is.
Even the polls in South Carolina right now do not show that everyone universally knows who she is.
She was governor 10 years ago.
It's not even the same state it used to be.
We got time for Todd in West Virginia real quick.
Awesome man.
I'm glad you took the call.
Thank you.
Mike, I have a quick question.
Dennis had mentioned this earlier, and I was hoping to get John on the phone with you, Rich, to see both of your opinions, but I'll take yours gladly.
What do you think about increasing Trump's odds by having a black running mate, especially a female black running mate, and who would that be in your opinion?
And what do you think about Candace Owen?
If she's not built for that capacity, what about Candace Owen as Yeah, I mean, Candace is, there's going to be, let me just say this, there's going to be a lot of knives out for Donald Trump if and when, because it's likely he's favored at this point.
I don't think anybody can say he's not.
There's going to be a lot of knives out for him and there's He's going to have to be protected in a way he wasn't when he was the president in 17 in his first term.
So, you know, Candace goes back and forth.
I don't know her personally, so I really can't give my opinion about that.
But I think she was, you know, very, very, very favorable to Ron DeSantis and then went to Vivek.
I mean, I would find somebody that was a loyalist to be in those inner circles.
I really would.
And it's not because you want sycophants around you, it's just They're going to come for him.
They're going to come for him a lot harder than they came for him the second time, the first time.
But I do think that Republicans, like when I see comments like I saw from Ron DeSantis the other day saying, they're only 10%.
We don't want them to have this seat at the table or some outsized voice, you know, in Trump's ear.
That stuff bothers me because This is a guy who is expanding the tent in the Republican Party at a level we just have not seen the Republicans be able to do, and to say things like that is just dumb.
Of course you want—we're going to have, on the next hour, we're going to have a great guest.
His name is Gavin Wax, and he wrote a book, and we'll talk about that a little bit, but he's really from New York, and there's kind of like a right way There's a right way, Todd, to, you know, take it, I don't want to say take advantage of identity politics, but to let people know you represent them without pandering.
And again, in the next segment, stick around and listen to it because, or in the next hour, Gavin and I are going to talk about this.
They did it the wrong way in New York.
And I think that Trump can do it the right way here.
I love Dr. Carson.
I'll tell you right now, I really do.
I love Dr. Carson as an option.
Tim Scott's a great guy.
I'd like to see somebody with a little bit more oomph, I guess a little bit more fire, but we'll see.
I don't want to presume to tell the president what to do.
He's usually really good at this stuff, actually.
So again, you're watching America First with Rich Barrison for Dr. Gorka, who's down in CPAC.
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Call in, let us know your thoughts.
And we'll see you on the other side of the break.
And I'll tell ya, I'm stoked about it.
I haven't been able to get them on my show.
And, uh, just, you know, some hours are different too, but, um, I would look, I'd jump on the, I, I'd jump on the chance to get on Dr. Gorka's show before mine if I had to choose.
I'm sure he has a bigger audience.
But him and I have a shared philosophy on the urban-rural coalition because Listen, the suburbs are what they are, and they've played this huge role in presidential politics for the last almost hundred years.
But things change.
Nothing stays the same.
And when you have the opportunity to slice five points off of urban margins and Democratic strongholds, you do it.
Because Fulton County, that's a ton of votes.
Milwaukee's whiter.
You know, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, you can get to 45%, it's game over.
If you get to 23 in Philadelphia, game over.
Republicans win 13%.
Trump gets in the high teens.
If he just got a little bit higher into the low 20s, game over.
In New York, his biggest games are in Kings and Queens County.
Again, You may not win this state, but game over.
If you're doing that in these key states, especially where there are non-white votes.
I don't think it's wrong to pick people in your inner circle that don't look like the majority of the party.
I don't think that's wrong.
I, you know, it's not, there's a difference between pandering and then telling people, you know, we're going to represent you, you know?
So, um, I wish there was a, I wish there was a bigger pool of people to choose from when Trump looks around and says, who can I pick for VP?
Who can I get to do this?
I wish there was a bigger pool.
You know, that's why, I mean, I'm all about Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson running in North Carolina.
Oh, that just tickles me.
Are you kidding?
That is exactly what I want to see happen.
Exactly.
Another super chat, by the way, once again from BigPenguinPolling for $2.
Thanks, Rich, for answering.
And one last question.
A little bit of Columbo there.
With the RNC getting new leadership after SC, even if Haley doesn't drop out, will the new chairman go ahead with naming him the nominee anyway?
Even if she doesn't drop out, I mean, they'll really have no choice because he's going to clinch.
Whether Nikki Haley wants to stay in and cry in the microphone all, you know, every day, uh, it's gonna, he's gonna clinch it, uh, by March 19th, the latest.
That's a great one.
By the way, BigPenguin, miss you on Twitter.
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And thank you, Dr. Gorka.
Yeah, I'm Rich Barris, the People's Pundit in for Dr. Gorka on America First.
Well, he kicks it off at CPAC.
You know, I was like batting back and forth whether I was going to go to CPAC.
I'm kind of one of those people I guess I fall in the line of you've been the one, you've been to the mall, and then really if you want to sit and watch the president speak, it is really early, get up, no choice, you have to get through Secret Service.
I'll tell you what though, one time, me and James O'Keefe were late, and I don't know how we did it, but James was just like, just follow me.
And I saw people like Eric Bolling and God, there were so many others that were being turned away because they couldn't get in in time to get through Secret Service.
So they were turned away.
And like James O'Keefe, like a rock star, was just like, follow me.
And we just got in.
So I was able to see the speech.
And with or without a media pass, that's going to happen to you.
You know what?
Since it's so close to the four o'clock hour, I was going to get into South... I have a ton of stuff.
Great.
You're a great host.
I enjoy it.
By the way, I'm a registered Democrat.
I think Byron Donalds is really the right person.
He has the personality and the projection.
I'd like him to lose some weight.
which is Robert in Hartford, Connecticut.
Yeah, great.
You're a great host.
I enjoy it.
By the way, I'm a registered Democrat.
I think Byron Donald is really the right person.
He has the personality and the projection.
I'd like him to lose some weight.
I happen to be a physician.
But other than that, I think that he speaks very well.
He's very commonsensical.
He doesn't have that overreactivity that we're seeing, uh, from the other fellow.
Also, I think that that, uh, uh, Lieutenant Governor from, uh, what is it?
West Virginia?
No, Virginia.
Uh, she's she's pretty good and solid, too.
So I think either of those would be great choices.
You know, that totally slipped my mind.
She totally slipped my mind and she's a bulldog, too.
I'll tell you that.
And you know, Robert, it's funny you said that.
I'd like to see him lose some weight.
I'm the same way.
And sometimes I may offend people, but I don't think that like when I think I'm getting I'm putting too much weight on, I have no problem telling that about myself and teasing myself.
And I'm in the I'm in the process of that right now.
Yeah.
I mean, health is important.
Those are both great picks.
I'm not sure I can argue with you on either one.
Byron Donalds, I'll leave it to the lawyers to hammer it out.
It's usually a very easy fix.
Cheney had the same issue with Bush.
Being from the same state, somebody may need to declare that they're from another state.
But the Cheneys, everyone associates now with Wyoming, but the fact is Dick Cheney just used the state of Wyoming to get around that.
But yeah, I can't say that I would have an issue with either one of them, historically.
I think he needs to do something very different this time.
All right, we'll see you in the next hour.
Stay tuned, we've got a ton of great guests for you.
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So much to talk about.
I'm thrilled, elated to bring on my next guest.
Now we have to add author to that title, one that I've read and love and can't wait to get into it with him.
But also the man at the New York Young Republicans, Gavin Wax.
Thanks for joining me, brother.
Really appreciate you being here.
Thank you for having me on, Rich.
I'm looking forward to our discussion.
Me too.
Me too, Gavin.
And we just were kind of getting into it a little bit in the second hour.
For people who don't know what I'm talking about, Gavin and Troy together wrote The Emerging Populist Majority.
And you should absolutely check it out.
This is a book that had to be written.
Let me just say that to you, Gavin, like this book had to be written.
Everyone obsesses Over the suburbs.
And before we get into New York specifically, I want to bring this up.
Everyone obsesses over the suburbs and I think they're missing the moment.
You want to tell everybody real quick what the general thesis of the book is?
I think they need to check this out.
Yes, absolutely.
Yes, absolutely.
My book that I co-authored with a good friend of mine, Troy Olson, who's also a big fan of you and your work.
It's called The Emerging Populist Majority.
It's kind of in the similar vein as the 1960s The Emerging Republican Majority and the failed thesis of the early 2000s The Emerging Democrat Majority.
But we take obviously a different approach, but we look into the history of electoral politics in the United States and this sort of Ascendant and emerging populist coalition that's taking over not only the Republican Party, but, you know, the electoral landscape as a whole.
You know, we talk about the past, but we make some predictions for the future.
Obviously talk about, you know, the changes in the dynamics that have happened.
You mentioned the suburbs, but also the changes in dynamics in rural America and urban America, all that have really been accelerated with the rise and the rise of President Donald J. Trump.
And it basically sort of smashes a lot of the notions and orthodoxies of the establishment and their consultant and donor base, their donor classes, the consultant class who have been leading the Republican Party astray and have been really dampening our potential electoral wins over the last few cycles.
Gavin, what drives me nuts about those people you were just talking about, and I said this on Twitter before, I'm going to say it now, in its genre, this is the only book in recent memory that is worth reading.
It is.
Because you have Teixeira, the emerging Democratic majority.
You have, of course, from good old 1969, he just recently passed away, by the way, Kevin Phillips, the emerging Republican majority.
And nobody's come up with anything in between or explaining what you could take good that was right from both of those theories and explain why both of them fall short at some point.
And Texera was right if the white working class And if minorities did not continue to shift to a Republican
candidate like they have to Donald Trump.
And that is what really threw that's what screw.
It was like a cog that screwed up the whole machine, Gavin, you know.
But what drives me nuts about these people?
Oh, go ahead.
Go ahead.
No, I was going to say, I mean, just to touch on the point you just brought up, they were
predicting a state like West Virginia would still be a solid Democrat state in there.
You know, you know, hypothetical emerging Democrat majority.
I mean, they were basically keeping all the trend lines, all the current voting patterns exactly the same and in sort of a stasis.
And honestly, they probably would have had more credibility if the Republican Party continued to produce the types of candidates that predated Trump, and the Republican Party failed to evolve into a more populist party as it is slowly becoming.
Obviously, you know, individuals like yourself or myself would like that to be accelerated, but we could have gone the way of the Tories in the UK.
and really gone off a cliff.
And then, you know, the Texera hypothesis certainly would have been proven, at least in the interim,
to be correct.
But it just goes to show that even going back to the early 2000s, that, you know, they've
really made some horrible predictions.
And it kind of plays off this sort of end of history type of philosophy that really
guides a lot of the neoliberal globalist Western elites.
And they just sort of assumed that their ascendancy was inevitable, that they were at the end
of history and basically progressivism has conquered and championed overall.
And the Republican Party will be vanquished to become a regional party, when in fact,
you know, if we play our cards right, we really could see the Democrat Party becoming really
that regional party that honestly it deserves to be at this point, given trends and given
the direction of the country.
Well, that's really a great explanation, too, for why they think the way they do.
They're all from that period, the right after the Cold War, the end of history kind of mindset.
It also helps explain why they obsess over the suburbs the way they do and have this, everything that informs their thinking and their theories.
It's based on this idea that demographics don't change, political coalitions don't change, suburbs don't look differently four, six years later, eight years later.
What drives me nuts about them is that, and especially on the Republican side, is that And this is what your book does.
It really lays this out.
After 2012, they spent God knows how much money on that autopsy.
And what they really are saying in that autopsy after Romney lost is that you need a party that has an appeal like the one that you and Troy are outlining, the one that Donald Trump is building right now.
You would think they would be over the moon, ecstatic about the shift in Queens.
I'm ecstatic about how you can see that in so many other areas of the country, and they don't get it.
Why are they not happy that Donald Trump is building this coalition that they claimed, in an autopsy, they wanted?
I ask this question myself regularly, especially dealing with a lot of these nincompoops and local and state politics, especially, and we're going to get into specifics soon, you know, with, say, the Mozzie-Philip race in New York 3.
But, you know, I think a lot of it is ego.
I think a lot of it is just they're really dated.
They just don't have a pulse on the direction of the country.
They're very just out of touch.
They're isolated.
They're insular.
They're surrounded.
Uh, not really by the demographic that's really reshaping the party and they're just living in another era.
And, you know, a lot of these consultants, they're one trick ponies.
I know in New York, a lot of them really haven't won any races since, you know, Pataki and the state has completely changed in the last 20 years.
I mean, it's a completely different state.
It's a completely different city.
Uh, and they really haven't changed their messaging, their rhetoric, their style and substance.
And when they lose, instead of having a little bit of a, you know, introspective moment, instead they double down.
And, you know, I have it on good authority that when Mozzie Phillip lost, uh, you know, the chairman out in Long Island basically said, Oh, it's because, you know, Nassau County doesn't like a black woman rather than actually saying, Oh, she's a horrible candidate.
You ran a poor campaign and, uh, you're not understanding the trends.
I mean, for, at the end of the day, they ran a, they ran a gay black woman in George Santos anyway, and he's still one.
Joking aside, but...
It just goes to show also that they don't understand the suburbs, and that's really their bread and butter.
But it wasn't purely a suburban district.
This extended into Queens, and I think there is a certain obsession with the suburbs in Republican circles, maybe because it has a certain socioeconomic appeal to them, you know, the country club, that mode of Republican politics.
But it's very hard to understand how irrational and clueless they are, you know, and how they continue to lose and not realize the fault in their strategy and approach.
You know, outside of the electoral strategy point of view, right?
This is why I think one of the reasons why I have and do still argue the Urban Rural Coalition, just from a society standpoint, I wonder if you agree with this, just from, you know, right now in our politics, it's us against them.
This one against the other, black against white, rural against urban.
If the rural and urban coalition was created, would it not?
You know, I mean, and then the suburbs are just going to have to find, you know, decide what side they come down on.
Would it not make for a more stable society, Gavin?
Oh, absolutely.
I think this reverse FDR coalition is really what the Republican Party should be trying to build up and embrace, you know, run up the numbers in the rurals and fight on the margins in urban America.
I think the suburbs, you know, there's going to be some reversion in the suburbs.
I don't think they're completely lost.
It's also, you know, geographically based, you know, not all suburbs are created the same.
But the focus and the obsession they have is really holding us behind.
I think we have a lot of ground to make up, even in rural America.
I mean, there's still plenty of places that we haven't maxed out to the same extent that Democrats have maxed out some of their urban cohorts and demographic groups.
So we have a lot of work to do there.
And I think we also have a lot of work to work to do in the cities.
I think the Republican mentality of giving up the city is not fighting for it is extremely flawed.
Yes, some of these markets are more expensive from a media perspective, but you move the needle a few points in Queens or in the five boroughs, all of a sudden, you know, New York State as a whole looks competitive when you're getting 33% in the city.
So, something to consider.
Yeah, that's exactly right.
And stay tuned, we're going to have more with Gavin.
I'm going to get into more with New York, but you're watching America First with Dr. Gorka.
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Um, and there's this crazy, Gavin knows, there's this crazy like obscure law in New York, which they take advantage of.
They just don't need a primary.
They just don't need a primary, right Gavin?
They can just pick whatever the hell they want.
Well, yeah, they, you could get around it.
It's a pain in the ass, but you know, it costs money and time, but we'll see what they can pull off.
All right.
Three minutes.
So this guy.
This guy really donated.
I'll get back into this when we get back on air on the radio, but this guy really donated to Tish James.
Yeah.
In 2022, when she was running on, you know, Get Trump and, you know, she was already opened the investigation.
I mean, the guy is out there.
This is one and they wonder why they don't get the turnout, you know, that they could get otherwise.
I have this interview from a voter.
She was Queens, actually.
Fifty four year old female in New York three that we asked why she didn't vote.
So when we come back on air, I'm going to I'm going to give you her answer, which I'm sure you're going to laugh.
I mean, you know, it's New York.
She's such a New Yorker.
Like this woman made me miss New York.
Um, because it's just people get right down to it, you know, and then they
always leave the best of their arguments for last, which is hilarious.
Like, oh, you know, number one, uh, she's a Democrat.
Number two, uh, you know, we.
All right, cool.
Number two, she said she wouldn't support Trump if he was convicted, and we know he's going to be convicted.
Somewhere they're going to find some judge, some jury in a liberal area, they're going to convict him.
But number three, Who the hell do you think you are?
We voted for George Santos.
You know, this woman was hilarious.
Textbook New Yorker.
That's funny.
You know?
Yeah.
And by the way, she's not a Republican voter, but she voted for Santos in 22 and has a robust vote history.
So this is someone that you would expect to come out and vote all the time, even in a special.
And she didn't because she said she didn't want to condone their behavior.
So it was a bad precedent what they did to George Santos.
And by voting for Massey, Jim, basically you're condoning their behavior.
They'll do it again.
You know, so you have to kind of like teach them a lesson.
And I just wonder how many of those.
Yeah, I mean, I wonder how many of them there are, though, Gavin.
A lot, probably, you know, a lot.
I have an anecdote I'll share when we when we touch on it.
I think there are a lot to answer your question.
45 seconds.
Forty-five.
Yup.
Good, good.
I'm gonna go off camera here and do what Laura hates.
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Rich Barris from Big Data Polls.
and Yep, this is Rich Barris, back with People's Pundit, in for Dr. Gorka on America First, and we're also back with author Gavin Wax, who, along with Troy Olson, wrote what I'm seriously calling, I kid you not, folks, in its genre, the only book worth reading.
Very much in the mold of Kevin Phillips, the emerging Republican majority, and also Texas Ayer's Democratic majority, emerging Democratic majority, but the right one for this time.
Gavin, I want to just read you this real quick, because of course, New York 3, big disappointment.
They blamed you for, they blamed you and the New York Republican Club for, New York Young Republicans for, which I had to laugh hysterically, and as a pollster, we go back and post-interview people.
54-year-old female from Queens is white, by the way, I forgot to mention that, is white.
She gave us three reasons why she did not vote in the special election.
The first one was that Republicans chose a Democrat.
And did not give them a chance to vote in a primary or anything like that.
The second one was that this Democrat said she would not support Trump if he was convicted and that they expect him to be convicted.
So what would that mean?
You're essentially voting for a never Trump Democrat anyway.
And then number three, she said it was a bad precedent and that like basically said, who in hell do you think you are?
We vote for who we want.
You should never have removed George Santos.
And if we, if I was to vote for They're handpicked replacement.
We'd set a bad precedent and let them think they can do whatever.
So we just had to let them lose this time.
How many of those voters do you think were in New York three and why on earth would they blame you for the loss?
Well, that's a good question and great points from this voter.
Well, to answer your question first, I think there are a lot of voters who felt the same way.
I mean, if you look at some of these Republican bastions, let's say in Queens, for example, Mazi either lost them or barely won them.
And the latter case was an example in Whitestone, Queens, which is a very hardcore Republican area.
She barely won it.
I mean, she just wasn't getting the turnout.
In the places she needed to get the turnout in.
Even in the Nassau portion, you go down to the Levittown area, very Republican area, the turnout wasn't there.
You know, what a sea of red was in past elections turned into a sea of light blue on many of the maps that you and I would be looking at.
So I think there were a lot of voters who really weren't impressed with her, who weren't motivated by her.
And the party apparatus out there, you know, they feigned, they faked this sort of enthusiasm.
They have a very strong political machine, a lot of patronage.
I respect it.
But they kind of got high on their own supply, so to speak.
They did these little rallies for her.
They'd get a few hundred people out there.
But all those people were because they had county jobs and they wanted to be on the good graces of the local party bosses, not because they were actually enthusiastic for Mozzie Phillip.
No one was really enthusiastic for her.
And for the reasons you listed, the party registration thing was a big one that they underplayed.
You had Representative Peter King, former Representative Peter King, going on local radio saying, oh, who cares?
No one cares about this.
You know, he sounded like Baghdad Bob when they were invading Iraq.
A lot of people care.
That's why you had a massive loss.
You know, he was doing a spin job of all spin jobs.
And then obviously I with with the Santos thing, I was speaking to a very well-to-do crowd in Manhattan, a very, you know, upper middle class, upper class Republican donor kind of group, not the kind of group that necessarily likes my politics or your politics or even George Santos.
And I was posed the question about Santos.
And I made it very clear.
That I think it's it's horrible precedent to remove him, regardless of what you think.
And the whole place was was applauding.
So I do think it's, you know, anecdotally, I think there's a lot of voters that fall into that, that fall into that box.
And I think because of all these reasons and more, she lost a very winnable race.
And even if it wasn't winnable this cycle, it should have been close.
And Tom Swasey, an institutional Democrat, if there ever was one, ran to her right on issues such as immigration and crime and other things.
And she just got completely blasted out of the water.
On messaging, meanwhile, she's putting out pressers and statements on Trump and bleeding support.
I mean, at the end of the day, the establishment has to understand that everything you're doing to win over this elusive, college-educated, upper-middle-class, suburbanite wine mom, everything you're doing to win that woman over, that voter over, you're losing 30 people like this woman in Queens that are probably MAGA diehard supporters.
They could just stay home.
They don't have to vote for you.
They'll just stay home.
And turnout is key in these races.
Yeah, 100 percent.
They act like everything happens in a vacuum.
And when you go and, you know, pander to one group, it doesn't hurt you with another.
So you want to look like you're not, you know, a Trump loyalist so you can win over the Valium wine mom?
Right.
And what is that going to do to some of these other groups that Republicans have been doing so well to bring into the camp in the Trump era?
I'll tell you, they don't learn because they're doing this again with the Senate.
And let me just bring this up.
It's like the Nassau County, they touted the Nassau County operation.
And from what I hear, it is a good operation.
But what does that matter if you don't have a good candidate?
So they're like the Tammany of all, only they don't win like Tammany used to.
At least Tammany would win.
Gavin, right?
So they have the same kind of patronage system set up and the same kind of like almost mob-like
rule that they, that they, how they run it over there and they don't even deliver the
results.
And here we go with the Senate.
Tell people what they're up to, picking their Senate candidate and this guy is like doing
the same thing over and over again.
Expecting a different result.
It's crazy.
It's, it's the definition of insanity and you said it right with the Nassau machine.
I mean, it really is very mob-like.
And look, they've had some wins in electoral success on Long Island.
I think they exaggerate.
To the degree at which they are responsible for it.
I think Long Island has always traditionally been a Republican stronghold.
It went to the left, mostly because of Republican corruption and mob-like behavior from former county executives and party bosses out there, many of whom went to jail.
And then obviously it was regained in terms of Republican control, mostly because the
Dems went so far left and lost moderate support, but also because there was a realignment,
national realignment, new trends, things that were ushered in both by President Trump and
also Lee Zeldin.
They took advantage of that.
Do they get some credit?
Absolutely.
Do they get all the credit?
Certainly not.
And I think, you know, I want to build machines.
I want to build patronage as well, if it means we're going to get real successes and conservative
populist wins.
But if we're just putting up candidates like Mike Sapricone, Sapricone, Sapricone, whatever
his name is, we're only going to lose.
So this guy was nominated by a hundred old geezers up at Binghamton at the most poorly attended New York state convention in the party's history.
The party goes back to the 1850s and they've never had a smaller attendance for a convention.
He was nominated there by the party insiders.
Nassau has a lot of weight.
It's a weighted vote with proxies and delegates and all that.
With Nassau and the Nassau chairman wants, that's what they get.
They basically de facto run the statewide party because everyone's scared of them and defers to them for a variety of reasons.
So they're pushing this new candidate down everyone's throat, I think partly because they cut a deal with him because he initially wanted to run and be the Mozzie Philip of New York 3.
They said, no, we'll push you for Senate.
Then it started coming out all the dirt on this guy.
He has a long, interesting history with the New York Police Department, including multiple lawsuits that the city had to settle, some, you know, Gentlemen that was wrongfully imprisoned and being up a lot of weird stuff is coming out and will begin to come out But I think more importantly was his donation history.
I mean this guy has never given a single cent to President Trump I don't think he's barely given anything to Republicans but he is a six-figure a recent a recent six-figure donor these donations are were all within the last few years to a variety of Democrat
causes, over $150,000 worth of donations.
I think he gave $90,000 to the Nassau Democrat Party to buy his, to potentially, supposedly,
maybe buy his wife a judgeship out there.
He gave $40,000 to Tom Swasey, who just beat Mazi, an interesting donation there.
He's given money to Andrew Cuomo.
He's given money to Todd Kaminsky, who is the architect of the disastrous bail reform law.
And then it was just revealed he has also given money to Letitia James, Tish James, who was trying to imprison and bankrupt Donald Trump.
He did this during her race where she ran on this, ran on getting Trump and bankrupting him.
It's absolutely disgusting.
He's going to get destroyed in a primary.
I wish I had another two segments with him, folks.
Gavin Wax, go check him out.
The Emerging Populist Majority.
I'm Rich Barris, The People's Pundit, in for Sebastian Gorka on America First.
The time is flying.
We got a lot of great guests coming up.
A lot of great stuff.
Thanks to my guest, Gavin.
See you on the other side.
Mic's back on.
Cool.
That was, I wish I had another two segments with him.
That was gold.
I mean, John Lutz, not this, he's the next one.
I just sent you three things you can talk about with him if you want.
All right, cool.
All right.
Yeah.
He's coming up right after this, right?
After this segment.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, after this segment.
This segment, which is a six minute segment.
And then he's the following segment.
Okay.
So there are two.
All right.
Yeah.
He's just one segment.
And speaking of two though, we got two more super chats from a different user.
JamesYotter11 for $2 asks, from an entertainment perspective, who do you want to see shred Kamala in the VP debate?
Oh man, could you imagine?
Could you imagine Vivek or Tucker?
I mean, just destroying Kamala Harris, this simpleton that she is.
I mean, because she is.
I love Mark Robinson, from an entertainment perspective.
I love him, but I want him as my governor.
So I want to keep him right here, you know?
Um, I, I, I, so wait, I do, I can't take that call when we come back, right?
Because I got John after the read, right?
Just to make sure.
No, you'll have a six minute segment by yourself.
Then after that.
Yeah.
So you can't take callers this segment.
Yes.
Okay, cool.
So I'm going to do that.
I think there's, uh, no, I got to Robert.
So we got, uh, Rick, you're coming up when we come back, Rick, if you can hear me.
And then the second super chat, also from Jamesyotter11, for another $1 says, it's Scamany Hall.
Corrupt but can't win or get anything done.
Scamany Hall!
I'll tell you what, that is good.
Right?
That's way better than just, you know, akin to Tammany.
And again, because at least Tammany won, right?
They successfully stole elections.
They stole the mayoral election in 1905 from William Randolph Hearst.
That's right.
I just watched you, uh, you guys ever see, um, Mysteries at the Museum?
I'm forgetting his name already, but he reluctantly, to be the mayor of New York, he was a judge, he reluctantly sides, uh, with Tammany, and then he turns his back on them and stopped, he, he won't name people to post they want him to name.
Yep.
Anyway, uh, he was wound up shot and assassinated.
No connection was ever made to Tammany, but he did unfortunately pass away, and he said his last words were, tell the people I'm sorry.
Sad, right?
Tragedy, yeah.
Alright, 80 seconds.
So, yeah, another read here.
Yeah, I'm just gonna scan this.
Yeah, a read at the top here, and then, um, and then callers.
Right, okay, cool.
Let's do the read.
I'll just do version 2 of it, and roll with that.
Um, looking at this map, looking at this harassment by the ATF.
Unbelievable.
Just unbelievable.
Well, it's not unbelievable.
It's just...
Terrible.
The gun trace program, yeah.
50 seconds.
Oh yeah, Trump polling his rally in South Carolina now, in Rock Hill.
He's gotta be rockin' it.
That turnout must have been huge.
We got any estimates for that turnout?
Anybody see any estimates?
Not yet.
Oh, also predictions, I guess, for the margins Trump's gonna win by.
Polling has him right now like around 62%, give or take.
Yeah, I think she'll get higher than expected because she's going to get some of those Democrats, but she's going to lose by 20 points at least.
I wouldn't be surprised if she did lose by 30, but...
I'm not sure if I'd be surprised if she did lose by 30, but...
I wouldn't be surprised if she did lose by 30, but...
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All right, yeah, we're back.
We got a lot more great guests to go forward here.
We have a real quick segment.
We can take some calls, which I love.
So let's go to first, let's go to Rick, who's got a, I see this, I see this, Hey, thanks for taking my call.
There, obviously, we have a very deep bench and we can actually, you know, we can't lose with a bunch of those people, but the only person that I believe is just as feisty or feistier and is going to continue the Trump policies would be Donald Trump Jr.
as his vice president.
I'll tell you what, Rick, I can't even blame you for saying that.
You know, the part of me, of course, you know, put my pundit hat on, would say, like, that would be a lot for Americans.
But, I mean, if it was me and I get where you're coming from.
Who could you trust more than your son, who's a lot like you?
You know, the thing about Don Jr., that a lot of people, you know, you had Ivanka, and of course you had Jared in the White House with him, but Ivanka always made him look a little, you know, sharpened his rough edges, and that certainly helped him, but she didn't represent the MAGA base, not like Don Jr.
does.
Uh, let's be real.
I mean, let's, let's be honest about that.
But there's something else about Don Jr.
He has really good instincts.
Don Jr.
is a guy who did not, you know, he was not raised with the wooden spoon, you know, came from the street and had to work his way up.
Of course, he was raised with a lot more than most Americans get, a lot more than most of us get, yet he still Hung around with the average guys.
I mean, when you look back and see the old footage of Trump with his son, you know, walking around construction areas, you know, kicking it with the normal guys, it was Don Jr.
That must have had an impact with him because if you have ever seen him in a retail setting, few are better and few understand with like in their gut Uh, what the political reaction of normal Americans are going to be to somebody.
So I would, um, I know that they've hit him and they've hit him hard and try to hurt his image, but I'll tell you what I wouldn't.
I think that under the right.
direction.
Trump Jr.
could be a governor of a state, you know, one day, easy, and be the leader of a movement.
I do.
And I know that that a lot of people might be surprised to hear me say that.
But that's there's, it's all about connecting with people.
And he's really good at doing that really good at doing that.
Let's see Kevin from Austin, Texas.
This is a loaded question.
But let's Yeah, let's bring them on.
Rich, thanks for taking my call.
Congratulations on Susan Sebb's chair.
Doing a great job.
I'm a fan of yours.
I'm a People's Pundit.
So I like to talk about ideas, not necessarily just money.
And the question I have is, what do Republicans need to do now as far as to prepare for November?
So we're going to get past the primaries, the family fight is going to be over, and then we're going to be looking at actually winning, not just on Trump, but also down ballot all the way.
Even in blue states, what do they need to do?
Yeah, that's a really, that's a great question.
So look, and I was part of this talking with Gavin before.
If I had another two segments, I would have gotten to this with him, but because he knows, he sees it too.
Republicans have a unique opportunity this cycle.
I don't think I've ever seen, I don't think, I know that I've never seen this before in polling or any time, you know, syphology.
Republicans have We used the word targets.
It's not a great thing to call people, but it is typically the case that Democrats
have the adult population just filled like a gold mine with people that they could turn out
and they could register to vote.
And Republicans now are the ones who have that opportunity.
And that is something that's totally different.
So start local, you get 10 people in your own circle, whether whatever, maybe you don't have to door knock
if you don't want a door knock, but you get 10 people, sign them up,
get them on that permanent list, make it easy as possible for them to vote.
And then these third party groups are the ones who are going to have to take the reins.
Turning Point stepped in to fill a void because there's a void there.
The Republican National Committee is just not in a position.
It's music to my ears when I hear someone like Laura Trump say what she did the other
day.
She seems to get it.
But, again, people have to be willing to do that body of work.
So do it in your own backyard.
All right, stay tuned.
We'll be back on America First with Sebastian Gorka.
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I do, man.
Uh, so this is the 62nd, right?
Before Dr. Locke?
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Then you just start talking over the music.
Alright, cool.
And then, um, Hello?
Oh, great.
Thanks for having me on.
I always appreciate it.
Alright, and then I got two segments with him. Two segments with him. Alright.
I think so, yeah. Or it might just be one, but you can ask him if he wants to do two.
We're connected.
Oh, okay.
Hello?
Hey, how you doing? Thanks for joining us!
Oh, great! Thanks for having me on, I always appreciate it.
So, uh, have to do two segments if you want.
Alright, yeah, let's, uh, let's see if we can't do that.
I think we have the time for it.
I'll tell you what, just between us girls, I don't know anyone else I've read more when it comes to Second Amendment stats than you.
I'll be honest about that.
I mean, I've read a lot of your work.
A lot of your work!
Well, that's gratifying to know after all the hours you put into something that people read it.
I greatly appreciate that.
It's actually started to get around the world.
I was just in Ecuador for four days testifying before their legislature and meeting with ministers and things like that.
And they're actually starting to make some of the changes with regard to concealed carry and stuff.
In South America, I'm going to Argentina in May and Chile and Brazil in August.
So, I mean, it's starting to spread around the world a little bit too, so that's good.
Yeah, that's great, because we're always being compared to the rest of the world, like I don't, like I ever want to be or care.
But, you know, it would be nice if some of these other countries did, you know, have the same philosophies and understanding when it comes to self-defense that we do, because it made us unique in the beginning.
But, you know, going back to some of the stuff that you, this work that you've done, you know, any time you try to do this, you know, Yeah, I remember the article.
It was by a woman.
I don't remember her name.
People have come at it from the same way, I guess, and then it was astonishing years
ago reading an article from FiveThirtyEight, which spent six months attempting to skew
statistics.
It was just a ... Do you remember this?
Yeah.
Yeah, I do.
I remember the article.
It was by a woman.
I don't remember her name.
But so much of the international comparisons are just bogus.
Yeah.
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Rich Barris, The People's Pundit, while he's at CPAC.
All right, we have a great guest I can't wait to bring on now.
So much I want to talk to him about because of this.
For those watching Inside the Numbers, you know we do those segments.
So if we can't bring him on, John Lott, to discuss several of these stories that I've been reading.
And nobody, if you ask me, would be the best one to bring on to talk to you about this.
So I want to thank him for joining us.
Welcome to America First.
Thanks very much for having me on.
I appreciate it.
I'll tell you, it's a great honor to have you on.
I don't think I could have you for two hours and that would be enough, but let's stay with some stuff that's pretty much in the media and press.
I wanted to ask you first about this story about the Biden administration really harassing large firearm dealerships.
John, what's interesting to me as somebody who does what I do is some of this doesn't even make sense to me, even if Uh, you believed it.
So let me just lead it off by saying that basically the Biden administration continues its push to put gun sellers out of business.
And what they're basically doing is it's really simple.
If there's at least 25 guns traced to a crime over a year that were purchased within the past three years, then it's known among law enforcement, the lingo, time to crime, and the ATF does this gun trace program.
But somebody who loves statistics like me, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
Could you shine some light on this for people, what exactly they're doing?
Well, I mean, this is in the context of their zero-tolerance policy, where if you make a tiny paperwork mistake, anything over like the last 16 or 17 years, even if it's just transposing two letters once on a form, they're taking away licenses.
Even cases where, you know, the Obama administration had looked at them and said, these are trivial things, you know, just a trivial paperwork mistake.
They're reopening those cases to take away people's licenses, and this is just another example of that.
So here, they're defining a firearms dealer as problematic, is that these sales over a
three-year period of time can be—were traced to a crime in any way.
It doesn't even have to be a gun that was necessarily even used in the crime.
They may arrest somebody for anything, anything from a misdemeanor that's nonviolent all the
way up to a violent felon, and he had a gun, and they confiscate the gun, and they just
go and trace that.
And so, the problem here is that about 5 percent of the gun dealers account for almost 95 percent
of firearm sales in the United States.
And so you have dealers that maybe in any given year maybe sell 10,000 or more guns, And they are saying if 25 of those guns that had been sold over a three year period end up getting used in a crime or be connected with somebody who is involved in a crime,
Then we're going to label you as a problematic dealer and impose all these additional regulatory costs on you.
And, you know, it makes no sense to just look at the total number of guns.
If somebody sold 25 guns and they had 25 problematic guns, then, you know, you want to take a closer look at it.
But if somebody sells 10 or 12,000 guns, And they have 25 in a year, and they have 25 of these cases.
You say, well, you know, they're in an urban area.
It's not too surprising that within three years some percent of these guns may either be, you know, owned by somebody who committed a crime or be involved in a crime, possibly.
They won't even tell you the percentage of these 25 guns that were actually used in a crime.
Uh, you know, it's a very different story and what they're trying to do is essentially just impose a large enough regulatory burden on these stores.
So they said, look, we just don't make enough profits from selling these guns.
We're just going to stop selling these guns.
The other thing is by putting out the names of these different, uh, sellers like, uh, you know, Cabela's or, um, Bass Pro Shops or whatever, uh, you know, Then they want to go and try to put media attention and try to cow them into not be able to go and sell guns.
So, I mean, you can imagine these are dealers, as I said, may say 10 or 12,000 guns a year and.
You can't find even one tiny paperwork mistake?
Could you imagine if you were to hold government agencies to that standard?
What happens if we would say, if a government agency makes any tiny paperwork mistake, no matter how tiny, no matter how trivial, over a period of, let's say, 16 or 17 years, we're going to put the federal agency out of business.
How many government agencies would we have in business?
Well, this sounds, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I mean, it sounds discriminatory towards larger dealers anyway, because immediately, again, this is why I've flagged as somebody who loves statistics, it makes no sense to me that a larger dealer, of course, is going to have a lot more sales.
Their percentage of overall traces could be 10%, John.
and a smaller dealership could be 70 or 80%.
It just doesn't, why would you look at the total number instead of percentage overall?
But the reason why they're doing it, I mean, your sense is right.
The reason why they're doing this is just to try to go after large dealers.
I mean, you may be talking about hundreds or thousands of a percentage point in terms of problematic—you know, sales that are problematic out of all the sales that they make there.
And it's not—you know, Biden wants to talk about rogue gun dealers who are selling their guns Right.
out of the back of their stores to criminals.
If that's really the case, then there's no paperwork.
Then there's no tracing back to those stores about that.
And so, obviously, they're not even trying to go after those.
And if they did have evidence of that, fine.
Go after something like that.
But here, they're talking about dealers.
We'll stay with us one second.
We're up against that heartbreak, so just stay with us.
We'll be back in a couple of minutes with more with John Lott.
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Call us, let us know your thoughts on this Friday.
No worries. Mic's on. I've heard of those once or twice before myself. I bet. But let's...
I didn't hear any bumper music or anything there.
I guess I kind of tried to listen to that, but maybe it was just me.
Anyway, yeah, I'm not sure if you can on your end.
I hear it.
I'm not sure what you hear in your end, but I'll let you know.
That's all right.
It's okay.
I want to pick that up though when we come back because I just think that's, you know, just Completely ridiculous.
It doesn't make sense.
And I guess, you know, let me just ask you your opinion about this.
Is it just easier for the government if you, if you hate the Second Amendment or you just oppose it and you want to give gun dealers a difficult time, isn't it just easier for the bureaucracy to do it this way?
You know, so they don't have to do the extra work of even calculating percentages of crime.
This is not like higher math.
Right, right.
And they just have a record of how many sales there are.
They have this number, 25 or whatever that they have, and they just divide one by the
other.
They could put percentages on this.
It's just arbitrary that they don't do that.
I mean, it's just another way to try to drive people out of the business.
And you know, the irony is, at the same time that they're driving all these thousands of dealers out of business, they're about to institute these new rules that make everybody who transfers a gun have to be a licensed dealer.
You know, they put out something last year for public comment, which was like a hundred and some pages.
Uh, there was a leak recently that indicated that they had, after the public comment, they had expanded the rules to like 1300 pages.
And so if you, they have all these rules.
So for example, if I sell you a gun and even talk to you about selling a second gun, then I have to be a registered firearm stealer.
If I sell one gun and I keep a record of how much I paid for the gun and how much I sold it for, then I have to be a licensed firearm stealer.
So, they're basically making it impossible for most people to be able to go and get guns.
Yeah, that's it. And I'm going to come back to that when we come back on the air,
because I think that really is the key people need to know.
And the other thing, you talked about what's the point of having this trace,
and they claim it's to stop crime, but I can talk about that too.
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Let us know what's on your mind.
Anything from Nikki Haley, the primary tomorrow, should she stay in?
Anything we've been talking about today or anything that's Might just be on your mind.
But we're back with Dr. John Lott.
And he was saying something before we went to the break.
And I want to come back to it because I want to ask you, John, I mean, essentially, and you even said this during the break.
I mean, this isn't difficult math to figure out the percentages instead of the totals.
So it's discriminatory against bigger firearms dealers.
So Because it's not exactly difficult for them to change this and do this in a way that makes more sense, we have to conclude that the idea is really just to go after larger dealers because they want people to own less guns.
I mean, obviously.
Right.
Look, they're just trying to make it more and more costly, more and more difficult for people to be able to get guns.
And they're doing this in all sorts of ways.
I mean, as we talked about, under this so-called zero tolerance policy, they put thousands of dealers out of business, and there's just no other way of doing it.
But there are other things that they're doing.
They have new rules that are going to be coming out soon that would basically classify anybody
who transfers a gun or sells a gun to anybody else as a licensed dealer.
The original rules that went out for public comment last year were like a hundred and
some pages long, and they had rules in there that would say, if I sell one gun and talk
to you about selling a second gun, then I would have to be classified as a licensed
firearms dealer.
I'd have to go through the fees and the paperwork and everything there.
If I sell one gun, just one gun, and have written down someplace how much I paid for
the gun and what I sold it for, then I'd also have to be a licensed dealer.
And the irony is, at the same time that they're making it impossible to stay in business to be a licensed dealer, they want to go and force everybody, if you're going to be able to transfer a gun, to be able to be a licensed dealer.
And the Biden administration claims that the reason why they're doing all this is it's important to essentially create a national registry, and they've been doing that.
About two years ago, it was discovered that they had collected data on almost a billion transfers of guns over many decades and computerized it.
There's a federal law that says that they can't actually put together a national registry, but they're saying they're not actually violating the law because they haven't actually used the computer database.
And until it's actually used, of course, then what's the point of putting it together?
They're not actually violating the law.
The claim is, is that if you have a registry, You can use it to solve crimes, and that's simply a lie.
You know, in theory, if a gun is left at a crime scene, and it's registered to the person who committed the crime, you can go and trace it back to that individual and solve the crime.
The problem is that that never happens.
Well, we got 10 seconds.
I gotta cut you off there, but thanks so much.
It's crimeresearch.org.
He's a wealth of information.
We'll see you on the other side of the break.
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We're in now, the last and final hour.
Time does fly when you're having fun.
I got a great guest now I want to bring on, though.
He's the author of Borderless by Design, and of course, Congressman in Texas, Troy Nels.
Thank you so much for joining us, Congressman.
I appreciate it.
Rich, good to be with you.
What an honor it is to step in for Seb.
Big, big shoes to fill for you there, Rich.
Huge!
I'm flopping around over here, but I'm trying.
I'm doing my best.
He's certainly a great patriot.
By the way, as are you.
People should definitely check out your book, Borderless by Design.
This couldn't be a better time to talk to you.
I'm seeing these numbers from CBP and struggling to find a legitimate reason why 21,000 Chinese nationals would come across the border in the San Diego sector like this.
Oh, I think I have a pretty easy answer for you.
Well, obviously the Bidens have built a strong personal relationship with the Chinese.
They're all over here so they could spend some time and party with the sun.
Don't you think?
Don't they want to come over here and hang out with the sun?
I'll tell you.
Come on, everybody can see Hunter loves the party.
What do you think, these Chinese just sit at home and all night long?
No, no.
They're coming over here.
They got a personal relationship with the Biden family.
Hunter, they're pals.
They're pals.
They're coming over here to hang out with Hunter.
It might as well be the explanation because there really isn't another one to give.
The president comes in, wants to be the un-Trump, and un-Trumps everything when it comes to not just immigration, foreign policy, how he's going to withdraw from Afghanistan.
Afghanistan.
But, you know, when you really just posted this on X not long ago, we heard the president say that, you know, yesterday, there's, you know, nothing he can do here.
Republicans aren't giving him the tools.
And the truth is, I mean, you wrote on X, you said you want to fix the border crisis at the southern border, revert to successful Trump era policies, period.
Why is the president looking to Congress When we know that the prior president had the border the most secure we've seen it in our lifetime at this point, you know, since we've had this crisis at the southern border.
Why are they looking to you?
Why is he looking to you?
Politics, no?
I mean, he just needs to do his job and enforce the law.
Well, the truth is the dishonest media, the greatest threat to this country, is in bed with this administration.
Now, the American people know that the border is the most serious issue in America, even over the economy, according to the latest poll.
He has a 33, maybe 36 percent approval rating.
So what Joe is doing, he's getting the media to spread this misinformation, downright lies, to say, I can't do anything.
I need Congress to do it.
And it's the Republicans that don't want to secure the southern border.
Joe Biden could do it.
He could do it right now while we're on the phone by reversing, going back and just do the MPP, the Migrant Protection Protocol, which is the Remain in Mexico.
But he's not going to do it.
Joe Biden, there's not a Democrat out there that wants to do a damn thing to secure our southern border.
It's all by design, and he's going to get the dishonest media to try to confuse the American people and put the blame on Congress.
Joe, you can fix it today, but you choose not to do so.
Period.
And even when at least the lower chamber, at least the House, the people's House, tries to hold him accountable, they have his back, the media has his back, they have Schumer's back.
I can't imagine, you know, and I want to ask you, what it would look like if a Democratic Congress impeached, you know, the equivalent of Mayorkas, right?
And a Republican leader, whether it was Mitch McConnell or somebody else, just decided, I don't think I want to take up this impeachment.
You know, so you're talking about the Democrats.
I mean, you know, the media having the Democrats and the Presidents back on this.
I don't think we've ever seen anything like this.
Has there ever been an instance of the House kicking up an impeachment to the Senate and the Senate telling the House, if you do this, I will not take it up?
Has this ever happened?
I think those could just be words.
I think what he's going to have to do, he's going to have to follow protocol.
I mean, this is early.
Second time this has ever happened.
I think the other one was in the 1800s.
But he's going to have to do something.
When the managers, the 11 members in the House, walk these articles of impeachment over, I think what you'll see Chuck Schumer will get them and he'll do an immediate A motion to dismiss, in my humble opinion, because he don't think that these impeachment articles are legitimate.
He thinks they're all political.
So he's going to do everything he can to not bring any credibility to what the House of Representatives did last week before we leave, and that was impeach Mayorkas because he's a liar.
He's a disgrace.
He misleads the American people every time he gets in the camera and looks them in the eye.
He misleads.
He lies.
And they know that, though.
I mean, you represent a district.
You're in the heart of the storm.
You guys down there, I mean, every state, it seems like, is a border state, especially with the fentanyl crisis.
I just had a friend, or 19-year-old son, thought he was, unfortunately, having friends, took a Percocet, and it was fentanyl.
He passed away.
It's just tragic.
He's not even a partier.
So I understand all states are border states, but you're really in the thick of it.
Americans aren't buying this, right?
I mean, this Democrat, all of a sudden, newfound support for, you know, being a border hawk.
They're not going to buy this.
Well, the American people, I believe, are starting to pay attention today.
And when you look at the polls in Ohio and New Hampshire, I think the border was number one issue.
It's because what the southern border governors, what they did is these states, southern states, They started busting them to the, you know, to the New York City and Chicago and to Martha's Vineyard.
And now all of a sudden their constituents, the mayor Eric Adams got constituents.
They're saying, Hey, what the hell are you doing?
And what are you complaining about?
Well, we keep sending them up there and we should continue to send them to all these sanctuary cities, continue to send them up because now the people in those cities are starting to complain and they're complaining to the mayors.
And now the mayors are saying, wait a minute, you can't put them up here.
We've been having to deal with this in Texas for decades, as well as the other southern states, and I applaud the efforts of the governors that have taken initiative to send these individuals up to some of those northern cities and states.
It's a good thing, because now America's paying attention, finally.
If they don't see it, then they don't have to recognize it, and it's not a problem for them.
So you make it their problem, and they have no choice.
I gotta ask you this real quick before you go.
A lot of people, all my viewers, followers, watchers, they ask me, how does somebody like Jim Biden, how does this always work with Democrats, where they can get in front of the House and claim they can't remember the way they do?
They have these sudden lapses in memories.
It frustrates people.
It really does.
What would you say to that?
For what they have, Rich, they have shyster attorneys.
They have shysters for attorneys that say, don't answer this, don't answer that, don't worry, we'll protect you here, plead the fifth, do all that other stuff.
You know what I've noticed is my time on Judiciary, whether it's inter-questioning Mayorkas or Christopher Wray or even, you know, the DOJ, They all claim, uh, we can't talk about that.
It's a personnel matter.
Can't talk about this because there's a current active investigation.
So you really don't get a hell of a lot out of these committee hearings because they just don't ever want to truly answer the question and they hide behind the, I can't because it's a personnel matter or it's an active investigation.
So whether it's Garland, Mayorkas, Christopher Wray, or any of them, you're never going to get the skinny.
We don't have the DOJ.
You need a president.
You need a president that cares about this country, loves this country, puts America first, and Donald Trump's going to do that.
Help is on its way, but it's 10 months away.
Yeah, 10 months can be a long time.
When we're looking at the numbers that we're seeing coming across the border like this, it's unbelievable.
It really is.
Let me ask you, if it looks like, and it does look like, that Donald Trump is going to be elected again, should we expect a ramp up at the border of people who think, I better get in while I still can?
Oh, they'll do everything they can in the last probably 60 to 90 days.
Or certainly right after the election, before January 20th, they'll probably be coming up in the tens of thousands.
I mean, how many more can we hold up here?
So yeah, you're going to see that.
They're going to look at the polling.
They're going to look at the temperature, I guess, in the United States as it relates to whether it's Joe Biden or Donald Trump.
But if we want to save our country and we want to protect America and not hear any more stories like you just shared, With a young man taking a substance that ended up fentanyl and taking his life.
You got to bring Donald Trump back.
He's the only one, in my opinion, that can save this country.
He loves this country more than just anybody I know.
So God bless Donald Trump.
The American people are paying attention and he will be the 47th president.
Again, the book is Borderless by Design.
It's just a great title.
Obviously, you're a warrior when it comes to this issue, but it takes a lot.
I mean, it's big business.
People should understand.
I'm sure you can tell them better than anybody.
For Democrats, it's about votes.
It's big business with these lawyers, immigration lawyers and groups.
It's difficult.
It's a difficult problem.
And without the White House, it's going to be very, very tough to get it under control.
Would you agree?
Yes, and that's what the Borderless by Design, the book, I interviewed Donald Trump, but it talks about European migration from early on, and it explains why I say it's by design.
It's not by accident.
This administration knows exactly what they're doing.
They're trying to get the naturalization mills you saw with Boss Tweed.
We had him up there in New York City back in the 1800s.
This is all by design.
It's all about one-party rule.
I think Elon Musk Must have read my book because he talked about one party rule, the pushes and the pulls, what brings people in and out of these countries.
So it's a great book and it's on Amazon.
Borderless by design.
Check it out, folks.
We're going to cut us.
Thanks, Congressman.
We'll talk to you soon.
Stay tuned.
We'll have more America First with Seb Gorka in a bit.
Thanks for watching.
See you next time.
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Let us hear your thoughts.
Speaking of which, because we just had Congressman Troy Nelson to talk about the border.
What a great segment.
He was on fire.
Let's bring on Mike from Detroit, because I think that's a relevant comment.
Let's bring that on.
Mike, can you hear me?
Oh, yeah, I can hear you.
Great.
Thank you.
You know, when it comes to the border, too, you know, you you've got, you know, you got Biden.
There's a couple of things.
But Biden becoming a new borders are, of course, relates to the upcoming election.
But also, you're talking about California, their prize pig, you know, and when this when this disaster they've dumped on the red states start hitting California, it seems like they're singing a different tune now.
And I wonder, does that have much of a factor, you think?
You know, Mike, I think the polling looks so bad for them on this issue.
I think that that, of course, matters.
And then I also think that when they get calls, you know, Congressman Nels just said something that was really important.
He said, I applaud people who are busing these border crossers.
over to areas like Martha's Vineyard, over to areas where they're going to see it, they're
going to feel it.
A lot of the, you know, whatever you want to call it, the ruling class in this country,
they don't take some of these issues seriously because it doesn't impact them.
They live in gated communities.
Their kids go to schools that are private schools.
So they're not feeling the pain that this overburden has on the social welfare systems,
health care systems, the schools, education.
They're not feeling that.
When you make them feel it, then donors may pick up the phone and make calls to the lawmakers that they support and say, hey, enough is enough.
So I think it's probably a bit of a combination of both.
We just had our national poll and immigration and inflation were the two issues where President Trump was just clobbering Biden when you asked, who do you trust more to handle this issue?
And because he could be a drag on the ticket, and that's what we started to see evidence of.
this month that we hadn't seen before.
You know, we had President Trump basically in the last couple of months beating Biden,
you know, maybe two points here.
Last one was six, which is a big lead.
But even when it was two, Democrats were still performing fairly well down ballot.
Now it's starting to hurt them as well.
So I think that plays a role.
You know, polls do move politicians, there's no doubt.
But also, so do donors when they pick up the phone.
So it's a good, it's a really good question, really good call.
Can we get, speaking of which, because what can they do if that's how they end up?
Can we get Cut 3 with Dean, with Dean Phillips on the Chad Hartman radio show?
Wouldn't all your listeners be more compelled by maybe Nikki Haley and Dean Phillips getting together on a unity ticket and actually doing for the first time, perhaps in our country's history, what most Americans really want, which is cooperation, collaboration, participation, decency, common sense, leadership.
So I'm going to turn the question that way because there's no way Nikki Haley will become the nominee in the GOP.
And the fact of the matter is right now the Democratic Party doesn't want competition and seems to want to coronate Joe Biden.
I double-dog dare you.
I triple dog dare you to do that.
There's a lot of talk about this No Labels.
I think, without a doubt, the minute Nikki Haley is eventually out of this race, whether that's Sunday, whether that's Super Tuesday, she will be meeting with the No Labels people.
Dean Phillips, same thing.
But you heard it in that, in Chad's voice right there, in the words that he chose to use from somebody who polls public opinion like I do and studies public opinion.
Nobody who is a Trump voter.
Or would-be Trump voter is going to use the terminology that Chad just used.
And, you know, Dean Phillips, his response was interesting.
We don't have time to play it all, but they're not going to run and go vote for Nikki Haley and Dean Phillips over Donald Trump.
That would only hurt Joe Biden.
But what if Joe Biden is not the nominee?
And we've talked about this a bunch of times.
I personally think they're stuck with him.
But let's bring in Ray on that thought.
Let's bring in Ray because Ray from Boston, because he is an interesting Um, idea on who would replace Joe Biden, which you don't hear often, so I'd love to bring on Reign.
Let him talk about it.
Great job there, filling in for Dr. Sepp.
First time caller in America first, and this is basically, if you notice, it's been very quiet.
You know, the question here, from this part of the world, where's Waldo?
You don't hear very closely, and I think that I have an idea what, what, if Gavin Newsom ends up not being this, the selector, the crown, A former Massachusetts governor, Deval Patrick, might be the one.
That's why he's been so quiet and you don't see him or hear from him at all.
He hasn't been doing any of the media tours or circles or filling in for anybody.
Remember that he went to the same school as Barack Obama?
They have the same ideology.
They even shared the same campaign victory speech that Obama had when he became governor of Massachusetts.
He's young.
He's still quite a bit younger than Biden.
He's black.
So he has everything they need.
And if Michelle doesn't want to run because she's too cozy and too comfortable and living the good life, they have a candidate there.
And that's why they have it so quiet.
So you heard him.
I'll tell you what.
I'll tell you what, folks.
First of all, thank you for that call, because that's a breath of fresh air.
I mean, we hear the usual suspects all the time.
That is a breath of fresh air.
And, you know what?
It's not someone that's... He doesn't have a lot of buzz around him, but...
Uh, that's somebody that has a name.
He certainly in that area has a name recognition.
He checks the boxes as Robert said, you know, but, um, not even, you know, name to the point where pollsters like me would put him in there.
We've pulled Gavin Newsom.
We've pulled Gretchen Whitmer.
We've pulled Michelle Obama.
We've pulled Bernie Sanders.
Hillary Clinton have not pulled.
And of course, you know, I already said Gavin Newsom, but we have not pulled of all Patrick, that's interesting.
I think that is somebody who's on the bench going forward, but I'll tell you who won't be.
Nikki Haley, do we have time to play Cut 2 with Van Jones?
This is just delusion.
I'd love to hear this stuff if we have some time.
Let's, uh, yeah, let's do this.
But I think it's good to have a Republican not just sticking up to Donald Trump, but sticking up for some principles.
You got Ukrainians who are fighting and dying and now losing.
Navalny is dead.
Democracy is on the ropes.
And you need somebody in that party with a national platform to keep that candle alive of just basic American commitment to democracy and freedom around the world.
That shouldn't be so weird.
But apparently now it is.
And so I don't know that she's doing herself much good in terms of future for the party.
She may be branded as somebody who tripped up Donald Trump at the finish line.
Who knows what her future is.
But I'm telling you, the future for democracy is on the line this year.
And she's become a champion for that.
I think it's good.
He doesn't give two you-know-whats about Navalny or anything he just talked about.
This is a guy who was at CPAC when Donald Trump was president, talking about how terrified he was that Republicans under Donald Trump have stolen the banner of criminal justice from Democrats.
He couldn't care less about any of that.
Van Jones is looking at the polls and he's looking at the declining support with Joe Biden among African Americans.
He's looking at Donald Trump repeatedly in the 20% mark with African Americans and Hispanics and others.
He's so full of it.
This isn't going to end up how Nikki Haley thinks it's going to end up.
She's going to end up like Charlie Crist.
Goated on by Van Jones and big donors.
We saw it in Politico the other day, but she will end up like Charlie Crist.
No home, no political home, no voters who think highly of her or trust her or see her as what he just characterized her as.
What a total joke.
Anyway, you're watching and listening to America First with Dr. Gorka.
I'm Rich Barris, The People's Pundit, in for Dr. Gorka.
Stay tuned.
We'll be back on the other side of the break with more.
We'll be back.
Van Jones is a good actor.
A real good actor.
He's one of the best.
He's all over the place.
I mean, again, I remember they let him on the stage at CPAC one year because suddenly he was, like, in favor of criminal justice reform and now he's back to saying this crap.
Yeah, and look, I get opening your arms and, you know, trying to invite new people, but Van Jones is never going to come over.
He was there to play a role.
He was telling Democratic strategists, you got to do something about this because they've taken the criminal justice issue away from us and we have to get it back.
So he was there doing his due diligence.
You kidding me?
We have Greg Jarrett on the line.
Three minutes.
He's on the line and the mics are hot.
Awesome.
Thanks for joining us.
I'm really glad you could do this, especially last minute.
I know it was last minute.
Anytime, Rich.
Happy to be with you.
So, I'm dying to ask you about old Fanny.
That's really where we're going.
Three minutes.
I just can't, I mean, I honestly can't imagine, and I'm not a lawyer, you tell me, you know, but I cannot imagine her being allowed to continue Brian Kemp appointee or not.
So, interested to hear your thoughts.
Well, the latest is that they appear to have been lying on the witness stand about their relationship.
The defense has now come up with geolocations based on cell phone data that show that Nathan Wade visited Fonny Willis' condo 35 times, long before they claimed their sexual affair began, some visits in the middle of the night, some visits throughout the night.
They insisted, oh, we never slept together at the condo.
Well, the geolocation would seem to suggest otherwise, unless he was out on the couch.
And get this, they made over 2,000 voice calls and exchanged roughly 12,000 interactions Um, before he was hired by her in November of 2021.
Now, what does that tell you?
It tells you perhaps Robin Yerte, uh, was, uh, testifying accurately when she said, yeah, look, their affair, I saw it happen long before he was hired, which puts a lie to both respective testimonies on the witness stand under oath.
I hate to ask you to repeat all that when we get back on the radio, but that was golden.
I mean, you know, and just for me, and I'll ask you it again, but I mean, this is serious, is it not?
I mean, this is, she could get in a lot of trouble here.
Oh, sure.
Perjury.
You know, I mean, that's pretty serious stuff.
And she's already under investigation by the Georgia Senate and the Fulton County Commission.
So yeah, she's in a world of trouble.
I know that people are always used to things, you know, being dual, you know, two-tier here, but this just seems so overt and so bad.
I don't want to get people's, you know, hopes up for people to- How many seconds?
What do we got?
40.
40, okay.
Yeah, I don't want to get people's hopes up, but this just seems to be too in your face for her to skate.
Yeah, I mean, you know, look, I don't think any sentient person would believe the stuff they were peddling when they both testified last week.
You know, it was a lot of nonsense.
And, you know, the thing about technology today is they can, you know, we can find everybody's whereabouts at any given time.
Looking forward to this.
All right.
Okay.
Welcome back to America First with our special guest host, Rich Barris from Big Data Polls.
I'm going to go ahead and close the video.
Welcome back to America First with Rich Barris, People's Pundit, filling in for Dr. Gorka.
Oh, man, this is going to be a good segment.
Listen, I want to just bring him right on and talk about this.
I've been waiting two and a half hours to discuss this.
Everybody is looking at this new information with Fannie Willis, and we have Greg Jarrett to come on to explain it, break it down, and, you know, tell us what we can expect from here.
Thanks for joining us, Greg.
I really appreciate it.
Always happy to join you, Rich.
Can you give us a rundown real quick?
It's the geolocation data.
What does it mean?
What the latest development is in this case?
Well, you know, Fannie Willis and Nathan Wade said, oh gosh, we had a platonic relationship all the way through the time I hired him in November of 2021.
And Wade said, gee, you know, I only visited her condo a couple times.
I never spent the night.
Well, the defense has come up with cell phone geolocation data that shows that, in fact, well before he was hired, Nathan Wade visited Fonny Willis' condo 35 times.
Again, long before they claim their sexual affair began, some of the visits literally in the middle of the night, some of them throughout the night.
On top of that, Wade and Willis made over 2,000 voice calls together and exchanged roughly 12,000 interactions in the year before he was hired, in the months before he was hired.
What does that tell us?
It tells us that perhaps Wade and Willis were lying And that her former friend Robin Yurti, who took the witness stand, was telling the truth when she said, Are you kidding me?
They were having an affair long before Willis hired Wade.
And, you know, perjury's pretty serious stuff.
And, uh, especially when you're the district attorney.
Uh, you know, you're supposed to be putting people behind bars.
Well, she could end up behind bars.
She was already being investigated.
I'm talking earlier about this.
She was already being investigated.
Now this is perjury.
Greg, she didn't have to get up on the witness stand for this, right?
Am I incorrect on saying?
Why did she do this?
Because Nathan Wade was such a Three Stooges train wreck on the witness stand.
He was Moe, Larry and Curly all rolled into one and, you know, let's toss in Shep as well.
So she sprinted to the witness stand, having resisted the subpoena and arguing to the judge she shouldn't have to testify.
She waved it all because he was such a mess, which only goes to show that lawyers make hideous witnesses.
And then, you know, she begins with this tantrum On the witness stand and, you know, I don't think a lot of people were buying what she was selling.
You know, I reimbursed him for all of the expenses on the taxpayer time by giving him cash.
Where'd the cash come from?
Well, it was kind of magic money.
You know, it just appeared.
So, you know, this is going to be a tough decision for the judge.
To me, it's a no-brainer.
They admitted the affair, which regardless of when it began or ended, That's a severe conflict of interest, an obvious impropriety, a violation of the canons of ethics, and it merits absolutely disqualification.
And then what does that mean overall for the case?
Because I think that some people are just at the point now where they, and this is sad, but it's a sad state of where we are, but they just don't expect anybody to do the right thing at this point when it comes to the justice system.
Let's say the judge, and he's a Brian Kemp appointee, let's say he does do what is a no-brainer.
I mean, you and others have said, where does it go from here then?
Well, you know, she has absolutely destroyed her own case by her own misconduct, because however the judge rules, it'll be appealed, which means that any trial gets delayed inevitably for who knows how long, but I don't see it happening before the election.
And if the judge determines that her misconduct And that of wage is so severe that the entire prosecution has been tainted.
You can either dismiss the charges or ship it off to another DA's office, and that if that happens, I promise you, Rich, new prosecutors will look at this and surely realize that this is a legally unsound case that does not remotely support racketeering under the law.
Well, this is, you know, I imagine you have to be somebody like her to come up with a case like this.
I don't know why any of us would be surprised by her behavior.
But stay tuned.
We're talking to Greg Jarrett on America First.
Rich Barris in for Seb Gorka.
Other side of the break, folks.
I got this theory, Greg.
I got this theory that you have to be a crook to bring a case like this against Donald Trump.
This is the most investigated guy in the history of American politics.
And nobody, you know, Mueller didn't find anything in the Southern District.
You would have to be, you know, You'd have to be somebody who's unethical to make up these novel cases and try them for RICO or indict them on RICO charges or try them for a hush payment.
There has to be something wrong with you.
I have this theory.
I wonder what you think about it.
It's not a bad theory because, you know, there is, Rich, a common denominator here.
You know, Letitia James in the civil fraud trial, which was absolutely a joke under the law.
And Alvin Bragg, who still hasn't identified the underlying crime, even though his trial is fast approaching, because there is no underlying crime.
And then, you know, Fonny Willis, who brought this cockamamie racketeering case and is now self-destructing, hoisted by her own batard.
You know, so the denominator is that they're all You know, progressive Democrats with Trump derangement syndrome, they, you know, all seem to have campaigned on getting Trump, which is selective prosecution.
We are targeting a guy we hate for political reasons, and we're going to spend whatever it takes to find a crime to pin on him.
Now, that is a violation of the ethical rules that govern prosecutors.
But they don't care because they're in liberal jurisdictions with liberal bars that don't give a damn if they break the rules.
Yeah, I worry because of that.
I worry they came at him in so many different directions.
Are we asking too much of the Supreme Court here?
It's not their job to deal with this, right?
Well, it is their job.
Their job is to police bad decisions.
And, you know, there are a whole host of bad decisions.
And, you know, you toss in the whole crazy, you know, kick Trump off the ballot, which any first-year law student could easily resolve.
And, you know, that should be a unanimous decision.
So, no, it's the job of the Supreme Court.
You know, they're the best and the brightest, and, unfortunately, Uh, district attorneys and judges at the trial court level ain't.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And yeah, you're right.
I mean, sometimes I, I think I have my political hat on where I think how Roberts looks at this one minute.
Okay.
I think about how Roberts looks at this, and I wonder if it's like asking him too much because he always cares so much about the image of the court, but you're right.
It is their job, and that shouldn't be his primary concern, correct?
I mean, really.
Yeah, that's a fair assessment.
I mean, you're right about Roberts.
He is obsessed with the image and integrity of the Supreme Court, and he's willing to bend his views of the law.
Yeah, five seconds.
you know prop up the court and uh... that to me it's fundamentally wrong you see that
in some of his decisions
uh... but you know i think even roberts in the ballot case for example
obviously recognized during the hearing that this is a slippery slope that
cannot be allowed yeah
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Life is a highway.
Mine certainly has been, that's for sure.
We're back with Greg Jarrett.
We're talking about the latest in Fannie Willis' case.
Really, it's her case now.
You know, Greg, maybe I'm wrong here.
Again, I'm not a lawyer, but every case she's tried here, Is this going to hurt cases that she's presided over in the past because her behavior has been so egregious?
Could there be others?
And I mean bad, you know, obviously other people who deserve to be charged with different crimes.
Could there be others who come forward and ask for their case to be reexamined because of what she's done?
Has she jeopardized that?
Well, it's possible, but I think this case was unique because she suffers acutely from TDS, Trump Derangement Syndrome, and that's what drove her decision to take the racketeering law and to twist it into a pretzel and do this legal pirouette that required her to mangle the facts and the evidence.
In order to bring a completely specious case.
And, you know, she's, as I said before, she's ruined it.
But, you know, she and Wader are in deep legal trouble.
She's facing two other Georgia probes over misappropriation of funds, fraud, other improprieties.
Her staffers hate her so much, they're lining up to testify against her.
And which tells you that there's other instances of impropriety that are going to come to light.
Those could affect other past cases.
She could be removed from office, even face, as I said before, legal jeopardy.
And Wade appears to have lied during his divorce proceedings.
He swore in documents he never had an extramarital affair, even though he now admits he did.
But he claims, well, that affair didn't really count.
Because, you know, my marriage was broken, even though I didn't get a divorce until recently.
Well, you know, Wade, good luck with that defense.
He's in trouble.
You know, during the break, I was bringing this up and I just want to kind of let the audience hear the rest of this.
You know, I'm always worried.
And again, it's my political hat.
I'm always worried that Roberts, you know, cares more about the image of the court than what, you know, doing what's right.
But when we did see Colorado go before the Supreme Court, even Ketanji Brown Jackson had some of the most You know, the stiffest questions for them about throwing President Trump off the ballot in Colorado.
And it did make me think that perhaps these justices do care about what happens to the office of the presidency when long after Donald Trump.
I mean, it's hard to read them, but did you get that sense from them as well?
Oh, absolutely.
All of them, including Roberts.
And, you know, he's always sort of, you know, the bellwether that you pay attention to because he's the chief and he tends to slide left and right.
He is obsessed about the image of the court and its, you know, reputation, its integrity.
And sometimes he'll ignore the law and vote with liberals just because it looks good.
But here, he warned an open court.
If you strike Trump from the ballot, Republicans are going to strike Biden from the ballot.
And this isn't just a slippery slope.
This thing is lathered with Crisco grease.
And there's already a movement by one jurisdiction to kick Biden off the ballot, depending upon how the Supreme Court rules.
So, you know, that, as I said to you off-air, it's a no-brainer.
A first-year law student could figure it out.
Yes, pretty easy case, should be unanimous.
Are we, you know, I guess then, am I wrong to say that judging by their, you know, their posture towards these arguments, and really they did seem, again, to protect or want to protect the presidency in a post-Trump era, are we wrong to think that bodes well then for him when it comes to the immunity cases or the immunity arguments?
Because I know And maybe you can explain this, what they just filed when it comes to the documents case now, and the Mar-a-Lago case, also with immunity.
Yeah.
Is that too big of a leap?
The immunity is a tough argument because both sides went too far.
Trump said absolute, complete immunity.
The other side, the special counsel's side, said no immunity whatsoever.
The answer lies somewhere in between.
uh... qualified immunity it seems to me anything that he is done during the
course and scope of your duties as president of the united states
you should be immune both civilly and criminally and then the question becomes
were his actions uh... pursuant to his duties as president some
obviously were Some, arguably, not.
And, you know, it's up to the courts to decide that.
But the fact that it has now been raised in federal district court in Florida, in addition to Washington, D.C., now incentivizes the Supreme Court to say, hey, wait a minute, we've got to take this case, we've got to put this to bed once and for all.
And in the case of Georgia, though, because if that does happen, it looks like these cases are falling apart one at a time.
And in the instance, or at least in the situation with Georgia, What happens here if they do?
I mean, obviously, she's destroyed her credibility.
The Attorney General now will have to figure out what to do with this case moving forward of the state.
Is that how this works?
Well, that's what I would do if I were the judge.
I'd kick it to the Attorney General's office for a complete review of the validity of the case and the conduct of the district attorney that brought it.
Regardless of how the judge rules, though, his decision will be appealed.
And I suspect that a higher court is going to take a very dim view of the conduct of Willis and Wade, but any trial will be delayed as a consequence, as I said before.
So that's where this is going right now.
I don't see that case ever coming to trial, given the disclosures of the misconduct of Fonny Willis and Nathan Wade.
Well, we know Democrats want to slap the label of felon on the former president.
So, you know, just given everything we just discussed, does that really leave Alvin Bragg with the... I mean, if you're President Trump, I guess, you know, the most because it's moving forward, right?
So if you're President Trump, that would be the obstacle you have in front of you.
And if you're the Democrats, you're relying on Alvin Bragg.
Is that really where they've come after all this?
Yeah.
And the last person you ever want to rely on is Alvin Bragg.
Who apparently slept his way through Harvard Law School.
And that case is laughable.
He should be a stand-up comedian.
Greg Jarrett, everybody.
Thanks so much, Greg, for your time.
Really appreciate it.
We'll be back on the other side of the break.
Thanks for watching.
I'll see you next time.
Bye.
That even helped me.
I'm serious.
Yeah, he's great at explaining this stuff.
I could listen to him talk for a whole hour on this.
He's awesome at that.
I mean, that was like, he broke it down so I could understand it.
So, and then that, I mean, honestly, right in that moment, it dawned on me that you have all these, the J6ers are going to get their day in court very soon.
The Supreme Court's expected to eviscerate, uh, that part of it, which will take out half of Jack Smith's case.
He's left to defend against immunity.
So that leaves Alvin Bragg.
All of this.
Two minutes.
Yeah.
Not, not the warrior.
Especially these days now, he's really got egg on his face with, oh, illegals are out beating cops in the streets, but I'm more concerned about Donald Trump.
Unbelievable!
Unbelievable.
Yeah, I mean, being from New York, to me, it's just crazy what they're doing.
I mean, I remember the Black Hand to death, he was a serial killer.
I remember Gotti, who we were all rooting to go free anyway, but I remember Gotti.
These guys didn't have a quarter combined of the indictments that Donald Trump Has.
And that's just how, you know, just ludicrous it is.
Even if you don't know anything about the law, it doesn't make any sense.
You know, nothing whatsoever.
I started watching the Netflix series, Get Gaudy.
It's pretty good so far.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, that's good.
I love the mafia stuff.
That's fascinating.
That's my favorite genre of movie.
I love documentaries about it.
So great.
It's great.
It's, I'll tell you what, like, listen, I know everybody loves Rudy, but I'll tell you what, Rudy, it seems to me you took out the mob and the government just replaced them.
I'd rather have the mob back.
You went after the wrong mob, yeah.
I know, and ironically, they charged him with Rico like he charged the free, the, the, um, the commission.
Yep.
The bosses of the commission.
This isn't, it's just, It's not even irony.
It's insane.
It's insane.
30 seconds.
Alright, again, this is the final segment.
It's 3 minutes 50 seconds long.
Oh, not that long.
So I want to try to get more into South Carolina.
What was that one?
I got that clip I wanted.
They're gone.
There's no callers left?
Okay.
They're gone.
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I'm gonna wrap this up.
You know, again, tomorrow is the South Carolina Republican primary.
It'll be a defining moment in this nomination process, which, as I said at the open of the show, is the least competitive primary with a non-incumbent in modern history that we've ever witnessed in our lifetime.
If we could get a cut with Sununu real quick, I just want to prove a point.
People confuse the party with Trump.
It's Trump's party.
That's right, that's the point.
It won't be his party forever, right?
It just won't.
At some point Donald Trump won't be here or whatever, you know, one way or another.
We all have our time.
We do, we do.
So I'm very optimistic about the Republican Party.
I'm very optimistic about where we're going as a country.
I'm not one of these, if you're one of these people that think democracy is getting eroded and the institutions are crumbling, stop.
It's not.
We went through 9-11.
We went through a pandemic.
The institution stood strong.
Let me put it a different way.
F***holes come and go, but America is here to stay.
You know, that's funny because I don't personally know Chris Sununu, but everyone I know who does uses that very word to refer to him and his father.
They are the most arrogant people you will ever meet.
And his home base was Salem.
For people who don't know this, in New Hampshire, they were totally humiliated.
Donald Trump won 70, almost 70% of the vote against Nikki Haley in his backyard.
So, at least he was honest, intellectually honest enough to acknowledge that it is Donald Trump's party, because it is.
But then to go on and on, like a ruling class family member you would expect them to do, pretend like we're not witnessing the complete destruction of institutions in our country right before our very eyes.
We were just talking.
to Greg Jarrett about this.
It's unbelievable a Supreme Court would even be burdened with hearing cases like this, novel legal cases
to try to attack your political opponent, to use the law to destroy your political opponent.
I don't know what else Governor Sununu would call that, but I have to compare him to somebody else
who started off not supporting the president, somebody like a Tim Scott, who on the other hand,
and completely in contrast to, people call a nice guy.
And the only reason he didn't support at least his additional run and he ran is because he believed that maybe some of the talk about the president was true and that he would hurt the party's brand.
When the facts changed, especially among minorities and the voters that he's bringing to the fold, when the facts changed, At least Tim Scott had the character and the brains to change his opinion with those facts.
Somebody like him, if that's the future of the Republican Party, they don't have much of a future.
So that's it.
Looking forward to tomorrow.
Again, hope I gave you some tidbits.
Thanks to Dr. Gorka for, you know, letting me fill in.
It's always a great honor.
And I'll be back sooner than you know it, probably.
Rich Barris to People's Pundit.
Thanks, folks.
All the best.
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