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You know what?
My family fought in Europe.
They bled in Europe.
Many of our families did.
They didn't fight in Europe so that this generation of weaklings and cowards surrenders all of Europe to Russia?
What the hell is that all about?
And yet this... I'm very concerned about this.
I know I'm in the minority.
And I know you're in the minority.
That doesn't mean we don't speak out.
The truth is not a question of majorities or minorities.
The truth is the truth.
And you have been a champion of it for so very, very long.
The website is themarklevinshow.com.
Catch him every day on radio for three hours on Fox and The Blaze.
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♪♪♪ When was the last time we did a cold open like that?
Just come straight in?
Uh, I don't know.
I don't know.
Come in with the, um... The first Levin cut.
The... I'm sorry?
Well, we used cut 2, right?
Oh, you want to use the cut of him.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Alright.
Play me cut 6 again.
And cut 7.
But could foreign autocrats, I mean, they look and they target.
You said he's a good target.
Could they look at him and think, ah, he's a good target.
He owes tons of money.
He's got to liquidate assets.
He may not even have it.
Yeah.
I mean, I think this is one of the demonstrations why Trump really is not fit for office.
He is consumed by these troubles.
His family is consumed by them.
And I think foreigners will try to take advantage of it one way or another.
They may be doing it already.
Let me tell you this also, because I was there throughout this entire time.
Iran became more dangerous during Donald Trump's presidency.
They came closer to a nuclear weapon during Donald Trump's presidency than they ever did during Barack Obama's presidency, and that is a huge cost to President Trump's approach to these matters in the Middle East.
Why is Shannon Bream having that?
Is that guy still a senator?
I think so.
Cut nine?
Nine.
And it sends a chill down the spines of many European leaders, obviously.
They feel, as never before, the threat from Putin.
and the idea that America's next president might be somebody who will seek to do a deal with Putin
that's advantageous to Putin at Europe's expense, I think is just, you know, they dread that.
A title for that?
Ummm...
The third thing he said was really good.
Also for Larry.
It's worse... 90 seconds.
Mark Levin on the isolationist... On the isolationists.
Yeah.
And Shrykert?
We've got the globalists on the run.
nice well miss oh Oh good, thank you.
40 seconds.
coming in with the first cut.
I don't know if you can actually... I'll send it as an email.
Hopefully you can get it up.
get it as a cut.
Thank you.
You You
You Looks like our friend Vladimir Putin
and...
The leaking is, is building technology to put nuclear weapons in space.
In space, nuclearized space.
This is why we can't have useful idiots all over the place, telling us Putin's okay, that we are the imperialists, we're the colonialists.
We America firsters are really America lasters who are provoking this guy and so forth and so on.
He is in many ways very evil and a madman.
He assassinates his opponents, whether they're journalists, whether they're in business, whether they're in politics.
He's a KGB guy.
He learned from the history of Stalin and Brezhnev and the others.
That's who he is.
It really shouldn't be that complicated.
Thank you, Mark Levin.
He has an incredible, incredibly busy schedule.
He's going to be on air the second we finish, so thank you for opening the show today.
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Let's go.
First up, Dave, Line 1, Arizona.
Thanks, Dr. Gorka.
Hey.
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That is a lot of dittos, but thank you.
Yeah, appreciate it.
So I have to respectfully disagree with you.
What?
Hang on, Jeff.
Who allowed this man onto the show?
Jeff, a respectful disagreement?
Is that permitted on a Monday?
Of course.
Okay, good.
Carry on.
It's free speech Monday.
Sure, of course it is.
Free speech Monday.
Carry on.
So I think we need to disentangle ourselves from all the establishment class wars.
I mean, if you look at the establishment class, they walk around Kiev.
There's no damage there.
Victoria Nuland can- Hang on, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
This really pisses me off, Dave.
Okay?
How much damage was there in Washington, D.C.
in World War II?
Does that mean you're not at war?
I mean seriously, seriously, how much damage was there in Paris?
It was freaking occupied by the Nazis.
Don't start with that.
That's a really dumb talking point.
Okay?
Do you know the size of Ukraine?
Ukraine is a flipping large country.
Just because people are being bombed out of their homes in the east doesn't mean the capital in the northwest has to be bombed out as well, does it?
Does it?
No, of course not.
Do you think Putin doesn't want to take the seat of power from... Yeah, but he's got a crappy army!
And he can't get there.
We were told by Mark Milley, Kiev is going to fall in 72 hours.
This isn't the Soviet Union of yore.
They should have taken Kiev, but it's so corrupt, and the Kiev government has managed to mobilize people to defend their homeland.
It's always much easier to defend your homeland, Dave.
You know that, right?
Of course, sir, but the challenge is you assume that they'll roll through Kiev, which they haven't done, and then they're going to roll into Poland and they're going to take all... Well, there's one big difference.
There's one big difference, right?
Nuclear weapons, correct?
Right?
Why does Kiev not have nuclear weapons, Dave?
Do you remember?
Was that part of the 2014 color revolution?
No.
You shouldn't, you know, come on a show to talk about geopolitics and national security without doing the basics.
In 1995, the American president, the British prime minister, the government of France and the Kremlin said to Kiev, which at that time had the second largest stockpile of nuclear weapons in the world, thanks to the dissolution of the Soviet Union, said, Oh, Kiev.
You know what?
We don't like nuclear weapons.
Why don't you give them all to Moscow?
All of them!
And we'll make sure you're never invaded.
That's called the Budapest Memorandum.
Are you familiar with that, Dave?
I am, sir.
And I know that NATO continues to encroach.
Hang on, hang on.
Encroach?
You're using KGB Russian language.
Encroach?
What do you mean encroach?
We didn't invade Poland or Hungary.
I was in the Hungarian government.
I was in the Defense Ministry in the 1990s.
We applied to NATO.
It is a club of free nations.
When we met the standards to meet, we were allowed in.
Should NATO's membership be vetoed by people who are on the outside, Dave?
How logical is that?
Should your membership in a club depend upon what people outside of the club say about you, Dave?
Who's vetoing Ukraine's membership?
Russia says they shouldn't be members of it.
Why are you using language of encroachment?
Is it wrong for people to want to join the most successful alliance in history?
I mean, you know we created it in 1949, you know that, right?
Should other countries not be allowed to join?
Well, why does Russia get to say who's allowed to be in NATO?
Isn't that a little weird?
Well, wasn't that part of the 95 agreement?
Was not.
Had nothing to do with it.
Zero.
Absolutely nothing.
I mean, Dave, this is... God bless you for calling me.
This is... This is what we have to fight against.
You mustn't.
Everything you hear must be checked, double checked and triple checked.
You've come on my show in front of millions of people and recited literal Kremlin scripts that you weren't aware of were talking points.
NATO encroached.
Right?
No they didn't.
It's a free club of democracies.
You're allowed to join.
And then you said that you didn't know what happened to the nuclear weapons.
That we told them to get rid of, Dave!
We said you will be safe, Ukraine!
Could you imagine if Ukraine had nuclear weapons today?
Putin would never have been invaded.
Dave, God bless you.
Thank you.
That couldn't have been the better That couldn't have been any better by way of illustrating what we are fighting for.
The truth.
Not spin, not Kremlin, DNC, Biden talking points.
Thank you Dave.
Stay on the line.
he gets to pick whatever he wants from the website.
Hey Dave, you there?
Jeff's talking to Dave Rolfe.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He can choose.
Right, so we've done both Levins.
Yep.
A lot of cuts today.
I want to post that.
Okay, give me that.
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Alright.
What did three say?
I'm the only one who what?
And then he dropped.
Jeff?
What was the caller 3 gonna say?
I'm the only one who what?
Oh.
I guess he didn't listen to Mark, right?
Oh, he did?
He does that all the time and hangs up.
I'm the only one who what?
He's a MAGA that supports Ukraine.
Oh.
I guess he didn't listen to Mark, right?
No, he listened to Jack Passovei. He mentioned him.
Oh, he did?
Yeah.
Jack...
Jack...
Ugh.
Wish we had a lot more calls like that.
That was superb.
And it ended well, it ended cordially.
Yeah, no, I mean, you know, he's hearing staff, he doesn't check it out.
That's really our big problem, not the malefactors like Jack, but the people who hear staff.
Don't know how to check it and then they, you know, they just take it as fact.
We should ask if any truckers are doing the New York City boycott.
Ooh, yeah.
And I want to play, actually, um, I'm going to play 16 after my pillow and then, and you're certain he deleted it, right?
Yeah.
I watched the video where he explained why he deleted it.
God.
I'm going to ask you to explain that.
Yeah.
And then we'll go to Jerry.
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There's nothing wrong.
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Eric, what's the problem with going on a show to say the president is mentally okay?
What does that really mean?
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
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Basically says that those who say they don't have a problem, like, no, no, I don't have a problem, I don't have a problem, it's more likely that they do have a problem.
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Okay, truckers for Trump.
After the decision, was it Friday?
Was it Thursday?
I mean, time flies.
More than $300 million worth in damages to victims that don't exist.
Banned from doing business in New York for three years.
So what does Chicago Trucker do?
He posts this on Instagram.
And I want to hear from other truckers out there.
This is Chicago Ray, cut 16.
Hey, folks.
You're all about Chicago Ray.
Uh, I've been on the radio talking, talking to drivers for about the last hour, hour, 15 minutes.
And, uh, I'm talking to at least 10 drivers going the other way.
I'm heading down from South Wisconsin.
And, uh, they're going to start refusing to load to New York City starting on Monday.
All right?
Uh, I got about three drivers that I drive with.
They already vibrated the boss and told him they ain't going to New York City.
He's got a Trump hat on.
He's saying, I don't care what the boss says.
I'm not delivering anything to New York City.
That went viral.
I posted it on my Twitter, on my true social.
Jeff, you got some bad news, right?
What's the update?
Yeah, he deleted the post and then he put a new video up that didn't really make a lot of sense.
He said that he took it down because it went viral and his grandson saw it on TikTok and it caused some problems.
And he's not the leader of a movement, he's his own man.
Yeah, okay. I want to hear...
Where's Franco? We need our truckers.
Do you agree with Chicago Joe before he deleted his tweet?
Because that could be a big deal.
Let's go to your calls. Jerry, New Jersey.
I know it's been a long time, but I've been busy, you know,
working because I have six grandkids, so I worry about them.
Good!
That's why I haven't heard from him in a long time, but I do have quite a few things to say.
Well, you've only got time for two.
Go ahead, Jerry.
What would you like to share with us?
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Not that I know of.
How is he?
Is he a loony?
Eh, up and down.
Yeah, actually.
Okay, two and a half minutes.
Oh, that's right, Solomon cancelled.
A lot of callers seem engaged today.
Yeah.
We're excited.
Wish I've been able to open the show for us more often.
Get ready with the, uh, the dump button.
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the The law-abiding and rule-following New Yorkers who are business people have nothing to worry about because they're very different than Donald Trump and his behavior.
Can we just put that back on the screen and just like freeze that because that's really interesting.
That's the governor of the state of New York who had to make a statement about what?
If you're a business person in New York who's brought in millions or, I think in the case of President Trump, probably billions in the last 50 years, don't worry about the decision last week.
Relax!
Relax.
This isn't about you.
Okay.
So what does that mean?
Oh, the governor of New York just admitted that this was a targeted prosecution like the E. Jean Carroll one.
Okay, stop for a second.
The governor of New York said, oh, please don't leave New York.
Don't take your businesses away.
We're just going after one guy.
Oh, so it's not about the law.
It's targeted.
A targeted prosecution.
Which is interesting because, do you remember the E. Jean Carroll case?
There's a statute of limitations on sexual assault.
So after a certain number of years, you can't bring it.
So how does E.G.
and Carol get to bring a case against Donald Trump almost 30 years after they're alleged to have met, based upon the plot in an episode of Law & Order?
Oh, the state of New York, you know, HOKL, retroactively extended the statute of limitations for only one category of crime and they did it for just 12 months.
Meaning they opened the aperture to make it possible to prosecute President Trump for an alleged crime the statute of limitations had already expired upon and then everybody else couldn't go to hell because that extension was rescinded.
Which means what?
Oh, they're targeting him again.
Selectively.
Just one man.
Why?
Well, because... Oh, do you have that thing I sent you, Eric?
Do you have that data?
So these are polls.
This is a CNN poll.
I wanted to show it to the caller who dropped off.
This is from Interactive Polls, a great Twitter site.
It's at IAPolls2022.
President Trump is currently beating Joe Biden, the incumbent.
49 to 45.
So if the election were today, he would be the next president.
If you do it against the other candidates, Biden, RFK Jr., Cornel West, President Trump is beating all of them.
All of them.
41 for the president, you know, 45.
35 for Biden, 16 for RFK, and 4% for West.
And what was it that caller who called?
Jeff, what is it?
I have a theory.
You know how, um, what's that meme?
AOC just wants to date me, right?
You know that meme?
I'm still gonna... Yeah.
Okay.
I think that the left-wing callers who call into this show, they just want to date you.
They're infatuated with you, Jeff, because the only person they get to talk to is you.
Because the second I start the show after the break, They drop off.
What is going on?
That's the thing, too.
Not only does he drop off, but he waits through the entire break where you're just about ready to go to him.
Then he drops off.
And could you share with us what that caller said to you?
That Trumpsters are idiots and Trump is the only one that can't beat Joe Biden.
Trump is the only one that can't beat Joe Biden.
Yeah, correct.
So, like, Doug Burgum could beat him.
Well, he's not going to be on On the polls, on the ballots.
So let's put those polls up.
According to the caller, only President Trump could lose to Biden, except according to everything that Americans are telling the pollsters.
That the only person who can beat him is Joe Biden.
So here's the question, thank you guys.
If that were true, please call back.
I'd love to have fun with you live on air.
Don't worry, Jeff would have his finger on the dump button in case you do something that is FCC non-compliant.
But please call back.
Because I want to have fun with you.
Because you're a clinical cretin.
You're an imbecile.
Because I have one question to ask you.
If President Trump is the only person who couldn't beat Joe Biden, why'd you have to remove him from the ballot?
I'm confused.
Why do you have to charge him with non-crimes?
Because, let's be honest, I can go through all of them, from Atlanta to Jack Smith, but, you know, New York is the best example.
What is President Trump accused of in the New York case under Judge Englerod?
Fraud.
Because he overvalued the property valuations for real estate he received loans on which would be a crime kinda if he lied to the banks and then defrauded them which he didn't because what the banks were not only paid back handsomely with interest
The banks actually testified that they want more business from President Trump because he was such a good client.
So, over $300 million in fines, $4 million and $3 million, I think, for Don Jr.
and Eric Trump, and then they're banned from running their own businesses in New York for three years.
If President Trump is the only one who'd Lose to Joe Biden?
Why do you have to bring a patently transparent attempt to court to make it impossible for him to run and to bankrupt him?
All the other cases, E.G.
Carroll, From Engron, Jack Smith, Fannie Willis, Letitia James.
They're all about one thing, we know that.
There's not one victim and one crime.
Even Adrian Calley.
You know what President Trump was quote-unquote found guilty of?
Not rape.
The jury said no, there was no sexual assault, never happened.
President Trump had to pay her 80 million for what?
Saying he didn't rape her.
Because that made her look bad and she lost her job as a columnist.
Excuse me?
It's now a crime to say that I didn't rape you?
When did that happen in America?
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And I don't think he agrees with that Democrat who called in but didn't have the, I guess the testosterone to actually stay on the line because I guess he's lost him as well.
Here's Charlemagne Thagard on Slow Joe.
Well, he's just an uninspiring candidate.
There's nothing about Joe Biden that makes you want to listen to him.
That's why he should be leaning on his vice president, Kamala Harris, who's way more charismatic than him.
He should be leaning on other surrogates like You know, Gavin Newsom, you know, Shapiro in Pennsylvania, like he should be leaning on people who have are more inspiring than him, who are more charismatic than him.
And he should just be, I guess, if you want to call it the brains of the operation behind the scenes.
Like, that sounds crazy that we're saying that about a president of the United States of America.
But he he has no main character energy at all.
None.
The funniest thing about... Eric, he just said Biden should be the brains.
The brains.
The brains behind it all.
Did you catch that?
Biden should be the brains.
I missed that.
I mean, yeah, if that's not a backhanded compliment to both he and Kamal at the same time, I don't know what is.
Oh, that's too good.
We're going to have to post that on social media.
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What's your comment?
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When I was six, my dad explained guns and politics to me.
He told me guns were tools, and that's how I've always felt.
Why don't we teach kids and people that guns are tools to assist in our lives to be better?
Well, that's what we try to do, but the left says that you're not allowed to have them, because then only they have them.
What's your second point, Kathleen?
And the second point, my dad, he was an old cowboy.
When I was six, he explained politics to me.
And he said the federal government doesn't have the right to tell us what to do and that we should always vote for the people who believe in states' rights.
It's pretty good, but you know, there are more things than states' rights out there, so not every issue is boiled down to that.
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You know, when you think about Donald Trump, for example, pledging retribution, what Vladimir Putin did to Navalny is what retribution looks like in a country where the leader is not subject to the rule of law.
And I think that we have to take Donald Trump very seriously.
We have to take seriously the extent to which, you know, you've now got a Putin wing in the Republican Party.
I believe the issue this election cycle is making sure the Putin wing of the Republican Party does not take over the West wing of the White House.
The Putin wing of the Trump administration?
You mean the wing like ours where we killed 300 Russian mercenaries in four hours when we found out they were running around the Middle East?
Liz Cheney needs to have like a mental health check at some point.
She, that woman, although I have to admit I think I was following her in my car last week in Northern Virginia because I lived near her papa's house and I didn't realize it was her and I honked my horn because she was going about two miles an hour and then I realized it's got Wyoming plates.
Oops!
I think, oh dear, Liz, you need to learn a how to drive and stop lying.
Hour two.
We started with the great one, Mark Levin.
And now we're going to go with the man I trust for data on elections.
He is the People's Pundit.
He's Rich Barris.
Rich, happy Monday.
Happy Monday, Dr. Gorka.
How you doing?
I'm very good.
I'm super good.
I'm very excited to have you on the show because you've gone all interactive on me.
You sent me this tweet last week that I immediately reposted with a very exciting map.
Trump consolidates... I guess that's bad news for Liz Cheney.
Trump consolidates Republican primary voters in February.
And you can find it on my Twitter feed.
It's an interactive map, right?
I mean, you've gone really high-tech, Rich.
I'm trying.
I tell you, I want people to have a better, higher standard for pollsters when they release these polls.
I mean, it can't be, you know, the Biden plus twos anymore, Gorka, the Trump plus threes.
You have to explain.
We've done such a terrible job.
You have to explain to people, you know, what's behind the data.
And we're trying to show people all of the interview details.
Every single interview we conduct, you click on that locator and it'll pop it up and show it to you.
Right so help me out here to help somebody else because I was on Newsmax earlier today and they played me I'm sure you've seen the clip.
Nikki Haley gave an interview where she said the next president of America will be a woman and it's going to be me Or it's going to be Kamala Harris.
Now, I'm not a pollster.
I don't have the grasp of data that you do.
But I'm sure that it's hard to become president or even nominee of your party if you can't win one's primary in one state.
Am I missing something there, Rich?
This is the joke of it.
There have been several polls, and she recites three, four-month-old polls to say that she's beating Biden by 17.
That comes from a Wall Street Journal poll that was conducted like five months ago, Dr. Gorka.
I'm not kidding.
Even when it was, we pushed back on it because those are methodological flaws.
Nobody is leading by 15, 17 points.
That's because at that time, she was a largely unknown person and she was going against somebody that's an unpopular president.
Once people got to know her, then that would always vanish the same way we saw it happen with Governor DeSantis.
And honestly, that's the truth of that.
But secondly, it's interesting in the poll and the press release that we just put out for that poll.
What was probably one of the more significant findings of the primary is that Trump's base is consolidated more behind him than the Democratic base is consolidated behind Joe Biden.
Explain what that means, because, you know, consolidated, what does that mean?
So, a lot of people like Nikki Haley and others said, you know, if we could just get him one-on-one, it's a crowded field, he's not as strong as he looks, if we could just get him one-on-one, then, you know, he wouldn't be able to benefit from a factored field and we'd be able to beat him because a majority of Republicans want to move on from Donald Trump.
That was never true and now that it has winnowed down and we're talking about Two candidates.
We can see where the base really supports.
And it's there behind Donald Trump.
So about 8 in 10 Republicans are voting for Donald Trump in the primary.
Only about 7 in 10 Democrats say that they back Biden.
Huge chunks still say they want someone else other than Biden or Dean Phillips.
And then another 13% or so are undecided.
So what does that mean?
When we get into the general election matchups, a candidate has got to get to about 90% of their own party in a general election to win.
And Trump is much closer than Biden is.
And by the way, we see it when we do.
When we asked about the general election, Trump was at 91% of the Republican vote, and Joe Biden was only about at 84-85.
So that weakness in the primary is showing, and that's why the argument that she makes is just ridiculous.
Because if you can't win a single primary, you don't appeal anywhere to a majority in any state to a majority of your primary electorate, then you're going to be a weak candidate.
And what that would mean, Dr. Gorka, for the general election is that if Nikki Haley was the nominee, you would have probably 30% of the Republican base sit home.
Maybe a bunch of them, they tell us they will, would write Donald Trump's name on the ballot.
She would get smoked.
Let me just say this very, very clearly.
Nikki Haley has zero chance to win the presidential election.
Not just because she can't win the primary, but because even if she did win the primary, it would be what happened in Mitt Romney on steroids.
The case of the missing white voter, it would be the case of the missing white working class voter, plus the case of the missing non-white working class voter.
I mean, it would just be a mall session.
Explain, explain, because I think I know what you're getting at.
For example, we see these figures that if they pan out, a huge 20% of the black male population are going to vote for President Trump.
Are you saying it's like all of that stuff disappears if Nikki Haley is the candidate?
Gone!
Gone.
You know, dust in the wind.
They'll go back to low single, mid to low single digits among black voters.
Hispanics, Nikki Haley would probably get 27, 30 percent of the Hispanic vote if she's lucky.
She'd get creamed.
And those voters are not even trickling down ballot yet to other Republicans who will be running on the ticket with Trump.
So the generic ballot, generic House ballots and Senate ballots, they're not really ready to vote just for any old Republican, even if Donald Trump is the man at the top of the ticket.
There's a lot of work Republicans have to do there.
This is a Trump-only phenomenon.
And I know people don't like to hear that.
It breaks their brain.
But that's the truth.
This is a Trump-only phenomenon.
Well, I want to explore that a little bit more, that Trump-only phenomenon, in the next segment.
But there's a poll I used in the last hour that I said I wasn't going to use in this hour, but I changed my mind.
So Eric, this is a CNN, a CNN SSRS poll.
What do you think of this?
Trump still wins.
If we have Biden, RFK and West up on the ticket.
Is RFK Jr and Cornel West, do they factor into any of this stuff?
It's funny, because when we asked the head-to-head, Trump's up about six points.
Very close to what they found, actually.
Very, very close.
Almost identical.
The more candidates that you add to the ballot, it's true that it does hurt Biden more, because at a certain point, Trump's vote share just refuses to fall, and ours is a little bit higher than CNN's.
We at about 43-44%, Trump's vote just does not fall anymore.
That's his floor and he won't go below it.
But Biden does have a lower floor.
So especially with West and with Stein, it really hurts Biden.
There are some states where RFK hurts Trump.
That's just true.
Like Pennsylvania, for instance, That seems to hurt Trump a little bit more.
But it doesn't matter if the rest of them, like Jill Stein, is the Green Party.
She will be on the ballot.
So they're not going to succeed in throwing her off.
So that's going to counter it.
And the bottom line is, the more choices you give people, the more that will benefit Trump at a certain point.
Because his base is with him.
His voters are with him.
And they're not going to leave him.
So you may get him down from 48 to 44 with a more crowded field, but he will not fall below that 44%, 43%.
Because what you're saying is collectively, the more candidates, the more that the incumbent Biden loses, correct?
That's right.
And I'll tell you what, if you're a Republican supporter, you hope they go and convince Liz Cheney and Manchin to go run as a No Labels.
I dare you to do that.
I heard from former Governor of North Carolina, Pat McCrory, giving a No Labels pitch over here, my neck of the woods.
He seriously thinks that they could win the state of North Carolina with 33% of the vote.
And I'm just laughing in the audience because Trump is not falling below 45% in North Carolina.
I dare you to do this.
Go recruit him.
Knock yourself out.
I take back everything I said in the last 15 minutes, Liz.
You're great.
We love you.
Please, would you please, please run?
I didn't mean any of it.
It was just too much.
It was just a joke, you know.
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This is what I've been kind of thinking myself or trying to grasp and it's like we have a
candidate that seems sui generis and when you know prior trend lines with other candidates
kind of like he defeats all of the prior cases so I'd like us to unpack why it's such a unique
candidacy and why that could you know what could could be the reason for that.
Yeah, I mean, you want me to start now?
Well, we can chat because the Rumble viewers are watching.
So, yeah, let's start the discussion.
Yeah, I think, you know, in 2016, the uniqueness that Trump offered back then, even going that far back, he did pull some non-whites into the coalition, but it's like almost first he needed to take the Obama coalition in places like the Ohio Valley area, and then parts of Wisconsin, Wisconsin 3, Wisconsin 7, Where, you know, Obama won these areas and he won them twice.
31 counties in Iowa alone, Donald Trump flipped.
I think he needed to take that coalition first.
And those people socially still share the same circles with other non-white working class people.
And over time, you know, his shared interests start to align.
And I think Especially when it comes to African American voters.
They made him into a martyr with these indictments.
They did.
They made him into a martyr.
We hear this all the time.
What is that cut we have from Friday?
Don't we have that?
The Jesse Waters guy on the street thing?
Yeah, let me see if I can get it.
Let's do that.
No, this is going to be good.
It was epic.
Yeah, I mean they've been dealing with this for a long time and I think that they know it when they see it.
They know it when they see it.
You know, they feel like a shared, I don't want to say a kinship, but they have some kind of shared suffering.
They can relate.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Simple as that.
And then their lives are better.
You know, this is just what we hear all the time.
I had more money, especially younger African-American men.
I had more money when Trump was the president.
I need Trump to come back.
Yep.
I'm not seeing it.
Maybe it was, was it Newsbanks?
No, it wasn't Newsbanks.
No, it was either Wednesday or Friday.
Wednesday?
Maybe Wednesday?
Let me look.
It's like a man on the street thing.
Still no?
I think I found it.
Give me a second.
Oh, did the email come across, Geoff?
No, I'm not getting it at all.
What?
Annoying.
Are you airdropping?
Because it should get a thing right away.
I'm not getting it.
No, I'm not airdropping.
You want it airdropped?
Yeah, airdrop it.
I have it.
Play it.
Can you come in here with your phone?
Is it Joe Biden or Donald Trump?
Yeah, Trump.
He's got the best person in the world.
Alright, I'll tee it.
I'll tee it up.
Just 30 seconds?
Yeah, until we go live.
Well, this cuts to 43 seconds, but we have 20 seconds until we go live.
It's alright.
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We're back with the pollster I trust, the man who's got all the information at his fingertips, Rich Barris, the founder of Big Data Polls, peoplespundit.locals.com.
Rich, I gotta go to this thing called CPAC on Friday.
Gotta give a speech.
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Alright, let's do that.
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I think the last time... What did you think, Eric?
How did he do last time?
Was he not too shabby?
Oh, this guy did very well and the Rumble audience loved him.
Alright, don't let it go to his head.
You could have said, it was okay.
Okay?
It was okay.
We're gonna give him a second shot, a second bite at the pie.
They did love you on Rumble, alright?
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Alright, so we're trying to unpack, because I'm not the expert, but I saw this that you confirmed for me.
There's something just sui generis.
Something unique about this candidate and how people relate to him and how it kind of breaks polling trends in the past.
Maybe, I don't know, it might have something to do with this kind of reaction that he garners on the streets of America.
Joe Biden or Donald Trump?
Trump.
He's not the best person in the world, but better than who's in office right now.
Donald Trump.
Why?
Because he keeps it real.
Even though if he hates people, he's going to let you know, but he still won't get the job done.
I love Donald Trump.
Bring back Uncle Trump.
Bring him back?
Yeah, we need some more stimulus.
What do you think about Joe Biden?
He's tired.
What has he done for us so far?
We're in inflation.
He calls it shrinkflation.
Oh, where's it shrinking at?
How are you going to say that you're going to do this and do that for all the people, and then you go back on your word?
How is Joe Biden doing for the country?
I love the nasal snort from the grandma.
How's Biden doing?
And then the other girl saying, bring back Uncle Trump!
Rich, I don't think these are anecdotal, do you?
What are you seeing?
I tell people that all things like that, all data is anecdotal, but it is representative of what we're seeing.
Number one, what we heard is he's really done nothing for me.
Bring back Uncle Trump, especially from younger generations.
I had more money under Donald Trump.
And I think that There's no doubt we can't ignore the part about the indictments either when it comes to non-whites.
I feel like we hear this more often than not that they made him relatable in whatever way.
So the billionaire, despite being the billionaire with skyscrapers with his name on them, the fact is they see the judicial system going after him unfairly and then that's a point of relation.
That's right.
And then all of a sudden, that matters.
And I hate to bring someone up, but it's a good example.
So Snoop Dogg, the Raptor, right?
He knew about that pardon with his friend from Death Row Records, but they weren't there yet.
The media had still said horrible things about Donald Trump.
They had nothing else to compare it to.
Donald Trump wasn't being persecuted the way that he's being persecuted now.
Now, all of a sudden, You know, Snoop Dogg has a very different tune.
I mean, maybe people don't remember in the audience, but this is a guy who wrote a song that was very vulgar toward the former president, and he did it on purpose.
Now he has nothing but high praise to sing about the guy.
Why?
Because you made him feel like he is akin.
You know, you made him feel that they have something in common.
And that goes a long way.
It really does.
When they feel like you're like sharing in some kind of suffering, that's all human beings.
That goes a long way for people.
And again, it's like it's a modern Grover Cleveland situation that we've never had to deal with in this country.
Meaning two non-consecutive terms.
That's right.
Fresh in our minds, Dr. Gorka.
They know how Trump was as president.
The media, chicken little, the sky's gonna fall and he's gonna round you all up.
Didn't happen, right?
And now their lives stink under Biden.
Everything's out of control.
The media and Democrats tend to think people are stupid.
They're not stupid.
They're just busy.
That's good.
I like that.
They're not stupid, they're busy.
Alright, let's talk about the other side.
We've got a couple of minutes left.
We're talking to Rich Barris.
He's going to be my guest host on Friday!
Can't wait for that.
I'll bring the three-piece back.
Okay, we've got to see the vest, the three-piece, and everything else.
What about the other side?
I found this really interesting.
A Democrat congresswoman saying that her voters should not vote for Joe Biden in the primary.
Cut 12.
We don't want a country that supports wars and bombs and destruction.
We want to support life.
We want to stand up for every single life killed in Gaza.
I want you to think of Al-Shamma.
I want you to think of Rima.
I want you to think of Sidra.
I want you to think of all of the amazing young children and the people, again, lives
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This is the way you can raise our voices.
Don't make us even more invisible.
Right now we feel completely neglected and just unseen by our government.
If you want us to be louder, then come here and vote uncommitted.
By the way, in English, Rashida Tlaib, it's Gaza, okay?
It's not Gaza, okay?
So, you know, political communications 101.
What does that mean when a Democrat congresswoman is saying vote uncommitted against Biden?
This is an effort, and Bernie Sanders is involved in this.
This is huge, and this is serious.
I saw some people on X basically say that it's not that big of a population, the Muslim population, so this rift is not that big of a deal.
It is a big deal.
Biden's entire margin in the state of Michigan can be explained away by the number of registered voters that are Muslim in that state.
So this idea that this isn't going to have an impact is ridiculous.
It is.
And it's going to cause more—because someone's not going to get their way here, right, Dr. Gorga?
Somebody's not going to get their way.
He's either going to cave and act more according to them, which will upset some other people in the Democratic coalition, or he's going to ignore them and sacrifice them and they'll stay home.
In this month's poll, normally Muslims are about 65-35, Biden-Trump, you know, liberal to Republican or Democrat to Republican.
This month it was about 55-45.
Some of that is people who changed their mind and then the other part is others just saying, I won't vote for Biden.
Forget it.
Forget it.
Biden is no better than Donald Trump.
I might have to tune into the show on Friday just to listen because we've only just begun and this is fascinating.
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Welcome back.
Hey, thanks for having me back again.
So much to discuss what's happening in your campaign.
An interesting tweet about a former colleague of yours that you tried to warn the Bureau about, but of course they did nothing.
We'll talk about that in a second, but first things first, got to get your reaction to What happened in New York last week?
$300 million fine for a crime without victims?
How does that happen?
That happens when you politicize the justice system.
And if there's not a bigger reason to vote for Donald Trump and to clean this mess up, I don't know what is.
I don't know what it's going to take for people to change the course in this nation.
You know, I got to tell you, one of the things that Really bothers me about the FBI these days is that we're co-mingling counterintelligence cases along with criminal cases.
And we are now, and what I mean by that is... That's a very technical... Can you explain?
Yeah.
That's crim and CI.
You're co-mingling counterintelligence and criminal.
Explain what that means and why it's not good.
And it's important for people to understand this, because the FBI needs to be cleaned up.
You and I both know that.
We've talked about that extensively.
And Donald J. Trump, when elected, has vowed to clean up the intelligence community, and specifically the FBI.
And I hope, I hope, hope, hope, that he surrounds himself with people that really understand the organization.
He got rid of James Comey, as we know, which was a great first start.
But you've got to go much deeper than that, and you've got to have people that understand the organization, because most people don't.
The FBI, if most people don't understand, is really two things.
It's a criminal investigative organization, a law enforcement organization, and a counterintelligence organization.
And it's important to understand... Meaning it catches spies.
Yes.
As well as catching federal criminals.
Yes.
Right, but that's two separate and distinct missions.
And in a nutshell, the cliff note version of this is, a criminal investigation starts with a crime.
That's important.
There's a crime, which you did not have.
A kidnapping, a bank robbery, right?
A complainant.
A crime was committed.
A victim.
Which you do not have in New York.
And with that, then you do an investigation to either prove or disprove that a person... After the crime happened.
Exactly.
A counterintelligence case, on the other hand, is very different.
You're looking at spies, you're looking at espionage cases, things like that.
And you can make inferences in intelligence cases that you would never make in a criminal case. For example, you can say, Sebastian Gorka,
you know, this could happen.
It could happen. It didn't necessarily happen, but it could happen. And a guy like Sebastian
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Money that he was supposed to be giving them as sources?
Yeah.
You have to have two pay...
Whenever you do source payments in the FBI, most agencies, you have to have two agents that were there.
And it was very, very clear to me that he was not...
I mean, he would always ask the other agent to leave halfway through the payment,
and you have to witness that.
Right.
And there's a lot of other stories about this guy.
We all knew there was something up with this guy.
But I was the only one that actually went to my boss and I said, look, this guy's on the tape.
And I got reprimanded for that.
Like, how dare you question the integrity of a fellow agent?
Are you questioning the integrity?
I said, listen.
All I'm telling you is he's, at a minimum, not following policy.
And your job is to follow up on that.
And they didn't.
And I told my boss at the time, I said, well, look, you need to understand I'm going to document this.
And I did.
And later, after he retired and I retired, he went on a scheme.
You'll have to read the article about it.
You can write a book about it.
It's crazy.
It's William Roy Stone.
Yeah, Bill Stone.
So what was he bilking retirees out of?
No, no, no, no.
What he was doing is, this is crazy, he was going around finding women, down and out women that were addicted to drugs and maybe had psychiatric issues and he was telling them that they were under investigation from the DEA and then he was, they were now going to be sources And he was going to monitor them on behalf of a judge, but they had to pay him a daily salary, his travel expenses.
What?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They were on probation.
And this went on for years.
They claimed that he almost got about a million dollars doing this, until one of the women actually went to the probation office to find out when she was going to be off probation.
Oh my gosh.
And the Texas DPS did a case on him.
Wow.
And he'd been doing this for quite some time.
That's crazy.
So they ended up doing an undercover operation and arresting him.
He was working with another guy.
But he was shady.
And the FBI, the FBI is such a mess.
It needs to really have a deep scrub.
Well, I don't think it's salvageable, personally.
I think Trump needs to dismantle the organization and start over.
And I'm very serious.
And that's one of the things I'll do in Congress, is really push for that to happen.
I just hope he surrounds himself with people that understand this.
And who understand the organization.
But check out the articles on this guy.
It is crazy.
I'm going to do a full list.
I actually do, I mean I do love him, but I didn't...
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Mike, we'll get back to the question of whether or not the FBI is salvageable, but we were talking in the break about this unbelievable story you have on your Twitter feed.
Guys, I just retweeted it.
You can find it on mine as well.
About somebody called William Roy Stone Jr.
And I think this case, or what the FBI did when he first found out about this individual, kind of tells us about the institution.
So, who is this person?
What was he doing when you knew him in the Bureau?
And why did he just get eight years in prison?
It's an amazing story, and his name is William Roy Stone, and if you haven't had a chance to Google it, it's almost make-believe, this story.
Unbelievable story.
And when I went to my first field office, it was, this should be the clue, right?
The clue of the lack of leadership that was going on at the time in the FBI, and maybe even now.
You get to the office, and they give you the tour of the office, and they say, well, here's your car, here's the men's room, here's your desk, and oh, by the way, stay away from this guy.
He's a problem.
And this was from the beginning I got to the office.
And, you know, years went by, and I ended up on a squad with this guy, and the rumor was just don't work with this individual because it's shady, nobody really knows what he does, and there was a lack of accountability.
There was a real lack of accountability.
So he was doing what?
So you have confidential sources, informants, who get paid money, cash, you don't write them checks.
And what's the rule for when an informant is being paid by the Bureau for information?
What's the rule?
Well, you have to have two agents.
And you have to visually see that the money is being paid.
Right.
So it's verified.
Oh, I paid him!
Don't worry, I paid him!
Go on home.
Two agents have to say, oh yeah, here's $500, here's $1,000.
And this guy was saying what to his client?
What he was doing was, what he did to me, and I'll tell you what happened, what he did to me was he said, hey look, we're about halfway through the payment, you go on home now.
You live in this area, this part of town, go on home.
And I just thought, no, there's no way I'm not going to do that.
He was very insistent that I just leave.
And I knew, I knew that something was going on with this guy.
So when it was done, I ended up going back to the office and I went and I told my supervisor at that time, who has since retired, and I said, listen, this guy's on the take.
I absolutely believe this guy was on the take.
And when I reported that to my supervisor, I got a lecture about questioning the integrity of another agent.
You know, how dare I do that?
So you were in trouble for knowing this guy's breaking policy?
Yeah, I wouldn't say trouble.
It was just, you know, you need to think long and hard about this.
And you know, of course, this isn't something that you do every day as an agent, question the integrity of another agent.
But what I told, and nothing was going to get done, and I told the supervisor, hey look, I've made the accusation, at a minimum, you have a responsibility of going and checking up on the guy.
Well, that didn't happen, and so I ended up writing a memo, it's called an electronic communication in the bureau, and put it into a file.
And after I retired, long after I retired, I was called by the Department of Justice, and I was interviewed a couple of times, and I told the story, I told the details of the story of what had happened.
And eventually Bill was arrested.
Well he had already been arrested by the time I got here.
The story is here.
It's in the Dallas Morning News that this individual with his partner in crime bilked a woman out of $700,000.
Saying that she, a recovering drug addict, was on double secret probation and had to pay him daily to make sure that she didn't get in trouble again.
So that's the kind of person the FBI said you can't question their integrity.
Which brings us to the larger question.
We're talking to Mike Van Meter.
He's running for the 11th Congressional District in Virginia.
The website is vanmeda4virginia.com.
God willing, you get in.
We do our part.
God willing, President Trump becomes the president again, the chief executive.
The FBI.
Is it, as somebody who's been on the inside, who's tried to help, you know, fix it, is it redeemable and salvageable, Mike Van Meda?
I think it would take a lot of work.
I really do.
I really do think that the counterintelligence portion that we talked about needs to be broken apart.
Given to somebody else.
They can't work together.
They can't be spies as well as cops.
Right.
You can't be one and the other.
Look at all of the issues that we had with Peter Strzok, Andy McCabe, and the others.
These were co-mingling of cases, and we need to split those apart.
But it's going to take a lot of determination, and it's going to take people from the inside of the organization that really understand the organization working with The next administration to make that happen.
I think it can be done, but it would be very, very difficult.
It's going to have to be a monumental effort.
By the way, it's not just the FBI.
I think some of the other agencies are too.
But Donald Trump has said from day one he's going to work on these agencies because I can tell you...
Even if you want to believe that the FBI is not corrupt, here's the problem, and I know this from being on the campaign trail, the American public thinks it's corrupt.
Yes.
And for Christopher Wray, if you're listening right now to me, that's a problem for you, sir.
That's a problem for you.
It's a real problem, and we need to fix that.
Ten seconds left for a new FBI or replacement agency.
Any suggestions as to who could be the director?
Who would you like?
Who's out there who you trust?
That's a tough question right now.
There's really no one on the horizon that I would trust to do it right now.
But I am sure that the future president, President Trump, has someone in mind.
But I do know that it's not who we have in office right now.
I think Kash Patel would be a good choice.
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You know, when you think about Donald Trump, for example, pledging retribution, what Vladimir Putin did
to Navalny is what retribution looks like in a country where the leader is not subject to the
rule of law.
And I think that we have to take Donald Trump very seriously.
We have to take seriously the extent to which, you know, you've now got a Putin wing of the Republican Party.
I believe the issue this election cycle is making sure the Putin wing of the Republican Party does not take over the West wing of the White House.
I really wonder whose payroll she's on.
Maybe she's working for the disinformations arena as was.
Remember the Government Disinformation Board?
Tina Yankowitz?
Well, if you want to understand how bad the disinformation game has become and how censored you have been by the Department of Homeland Security and others working for Biden, Mike Benz has been unraveling that story here on America First for us in several long-form interviews.
Here's just one little clip.
Mike Benz, former head of cyber for state in the Trump administration, cut 17.
censorship technology capacity developed by the Pentagon and our intelligence services, primarily between 2014 and 2016, although it goes back a little bit before that, when the Pentagon got this brilliant idea that they could use AI speech analysis techniques to censor foreign terrorist groups who were recruiting on Twitter and Facebook.
This is at the time of the ISIS scare.
This is when Obama wanted to put boots on the ground in Syria.
And there was a big sort of PR campaign about the threat of ISIS recruiting U.S.
citizens on social media.
And so a really cute, clever technique to aggregate the words that people speak and to create these vast linguistic lexicons of the kind of diction that social movements or religious believers or terrorist groups use as a hallmark of their own language that differentiates them from other communities online could be micro-targeted and proactively censored so that you wouldn't even need humans to do it.
This was under development again from 2014 to 2016 by the Pentagon.
And then when Trump won the 2016 election, through a process I can maybe describe another time,
it was all brought onto the U.S. homeland to go after Trump supporters and rolled out around the world
to kill any form of populist sentiment, mostly right-wing but also left-wing populism as well,
that might challenge the D.C. uniparty consensus or might lead to an election victory of a candidate
the State Department didn't want to win.
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Recidivism is a nasty word, is it not?
It depends.
If it's criminals, yes.
If it's return guests for the Manhood Hour, well, there's a reason for that, because they are exemplars of what we celebrate here and what we need to bring back to American culture.
And today, we are delighted to have in studio the man who made sure our armed forces were ready for war and then made sure our veterans were treated properly He's now a distinguished fellow with the America First Policy Institute and the man who, he has this strategic chair, if you will, at Newsmax, our good friend, the Honorable, former Secretary of Veterans Affairs, Robert Wilkie.
Welcome back.
Thank you, sir.
My grandfather told me that honorable title and 60 cents would get you right on a New Orleans bus.
It might be a little bit more than 70 cents.
That's right.
Thank you for using it.
I try to eschew politics on the Manhood Hour, but I can't leave geopolitics out of the equation, because... Well, I'll give you a metric.
I was in Oxford for a debate on President Trump's return.
And it was 11 minutes that I had.
And the last sentence is the one that seems to have resonated with so many people.
There's over a million views on YouTube on the Oxford Union.
And that sentence was, when President Trump was in the Oval Office, our friends felt safe and our enemies were afraid.
I kind of borrowed that line from the Marine Corps, but I use it to juxtapose what we are witnessing today.
Last week, the leader of the opposition, as was, who was arrested sitting in a Siberian gulag, the day after he was seen on a video call, absolutely healthy, Mr. President, just a quick follow on the same theme of consequences.
You said just now that you spoke to him a lot about human rights.
What do you say would happen if opposition leader Alexei Navalny dies?
I made it clear to him that I believe the consequences of that would be devastating for Russia.
I'll go back to the same point.
What do you think happens when he's saying it's not about hurting Navalny, all the stuff he says to rationalize the treatment of Navalny, and then he dies in prison?
I pointed out to him that it matters a great deal.
Well, in parenting, I'm sure you're aware of, where you say to your son, if you pull your sister's hair again, there will be consequences.
And he does, and there aren't any.
There's chaos.
Now, it sounds like an oversimplification, but doesn't that hold for geopolitical statements of promises?
Absolutely.
And look at the history, and we'll start with Obama.
How many red lines were crossed?
of announced red lines in Syria and nothing happened.
And there's a reason Putin endorsed Joe Biden for president.
He said he's predictable.
Well, he's predictably weak when it comes to the Russian Federation and the dictator.
Nothing will happen.
This is another empty threat.
And you know the contrast between Mr. Obama and Mr. Biden and Mr. Blinken with Donald Trump.
At most, you got one warning with Mr. Trump.
The second time people disappeared, and this sounds like some sort of mafia exercise.
No.
Wagner mercenaries disappeared.
The head of the world's largest terrorist network disappeared.
And two of the three great malevolent actors on the planet went into a hole.
Empty threats make America look weak.
It makes us look ripe for the pickings.
And I believe we are in what Churchill would call an hour of maximum danger.
And that hour will stretch for another nine months while this president and his secretary
of state and his secretary of defense are up.
I'll say one other thing about the gangsters' timing.
Today is...
Meaning Putin.
Putin.
You mean, what happened, the news on Friday.
Well, yes.
I'm not surprised, and I would not be surprised if, when there is an after-action report done, that Putin timed this for the Munich Security Conference.
Explain the significance of the Munich meeting, the Wehrkunde.
So, the Munich Security Conference is held in Munich for a reason.
Most people forget why, but it's held there because Munich was the site of the most notorious act of appeasement in history.
As Churchill said before Mr. Chamberlain signed away and Deladier signed away the life of Czechoslovakia, you had a choice between war and dishonor, you have chosen dishonor and you will get war.
The peace in our time, waving the piece of paper.
So Munich has a very special meaning and it was really the guiding force For an entire generation of presidents, starting with Mr. Truman, certainly Eisenhower and Kennedy, Nixon, Johnson really, yes, he did play lip service to it through Vietnam.
So it's an important symbol.
And this is where heads of state and defense secretaries meet annually.
But who's there representing the United States today?
And you know Putin knows it.
Someone that all the intelligence chiefs on the planet have already told their bosses.
This person is more incompetent than the President of the United States, and that is our Vice President.
She was sent.
I don't know to do what to shore up her credentials, which are so thin they're darn near invisible.
Well, probably to discuss Venn diagrams.
Venn diagrams.
And talk about the two-state solution, which is another calumny that this administration
has imposed on America's friends.
And she gave a couple of canned paragraphs on this death and then went on to things that
this administration cares about, placating Iranians, placating Iranian proxies, trying
to get rid of Netanyahu.
People forget, Barack Obama spent a billion dollars of taxpayer funds trying to undermine Benjamin Netanyahu.
He sent his campaign advisers to advise the opposition in Israel how to remove the incumbent prime minister.
That's right.
And that tells you what these people are about.
There's so many wrong sides of history that they're on that it's actually hard to enumerate them.
But this is, Churchill, I don't use it lightly, this is a moment of maximum danger.
And you see individuals like Biden and Blinken who are so cowed by Mr. Putin.
They've got Putin in their head.
And it sort of reminds me of something that, forgive me for getting obtuse.
There's a great scene in the first two days of the ferocious Battle of the Wilderness.
Grant's up against Lee for the first time, as Bruce Catton said, the clash of titans.
And in two days, both of his flanks have caved in and his center's about to go.
And he's got nothing but generals saying, Bobby Lee's gonna do this and Bobby Lee's gonna do that.
And he had come from the West, where he'd been successful.
And he said, look, I'm tired of hearing about Bobby Lee.
You think he's gonna do a double somersault, land in our rear and on both flanks.
Why don't you start thinking about what you're gonna do to him?
Bring up some guns.
It was magnificent.
And this is what is in the mind of the so-called leaders of our nation, that Putin's going to somehow pull a rabbit out of his hat and blow the entire world up.
One other thing, this nonsense about the panic over Oh, can we hold that?
Yeah, we can hold that.
The next segment, because we actually have a cut exactly on that issue.
We talked to the former Secretary of Veterans Affairs, the Honorable Robert Wilkie.
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REPORTER 2 How concerned are you about the anti-satellite capability that Russia is developing?
And what is your administration planning to do in response?
First of all, there is no nuclear threat to the people of America or anywhere else in
the world with what Russia is doing at the moment, number one.
Number two, anything that they're doing and or they will do relates to satellites in space and damaging those satellites potentially.
Number three, there is no evidence that they have made a decision to go forward with doing anything in space either.
So what we found out, there was a capacity to launch a system into space that could theoretically do something that was damaging.
Hadn't happened yet, and my hope is it will not.
My hope is that it will not.
It hasn't happened yet.
We're told there is no nuclear threat from Russia because that's weird.
They have thousands of warheads and I don't think they're targeting Vanuatu or Trinidad and Tobago.
That was the alleged commander-in-chief on Friday after 72 hours of hair on fire on Capitol Hill about a new threat from Russia from space.
If you try to imagine, Secretary, All the things not to say in public about a potential threat, I couldn't imagine a better exemplar of what not to say.
So let's go back to the question you asked at the beginning about President Trump.
This was precisely the reason that the President insisted, over the objection of many in the Pentagon, to create a space force.
Yes.
He came into office and he knew that the Chinese Had shot down a disintegrating satellite.
And he believed that the Air Force, because of its dual mission, space and the thin air, that there needed to be a component that focused solely on space.
By thin air, we're meaning the stratosphere.
And fighters and bombers, conventional air force.
And that's why the Space Force was created.
Not heralding what we knew the threats were and what was to be.
And when I left the cabinet, they were on a trajectory to counter and actually, without going into too much detail, address this threat.
I have absolutely no doubt That this administration has fallen on its face on this issue, just as it has on others.
They're so worried about provoking.
Well, okay, Putin has been provoked and he's lost 350,000 people in Ukraine.
Yet he keeps winning the psychological battle.
And if I can paraphrase Napoleon, In modern times, the psychological is to the physical is three is to one.
And this president is the one.
Putin is running circles around him.
I'll say this, and we have to look at history, which I know Biden and Blinken don't understand.
One thing has not changed in Russia.
I can't remember if it was Dostoyevsky or something, they called it a prison of peoples.
But even as different regimes had come and gone, the one constant, if you look at the
Romanovs, it was the Okrana, their secret police.
Just brutal.
And then comes Iron Felix, Dzerzhinsky, and the Cheka.
And then Beria and the NKVD.
These were the most sophisticated murderers on the planet.
And then KGB and then drop-off.
And now SVR, FSB.
With Putin.
The economies may collapse, what have you.
This is the one constant.
And they are playing games at a level that the likes of Joe Biden, Anthony Blinken, in your former country, David Cameron, the current foreign secretary and former prime minister, are not capable of grasping.
And Putin is winning that battle.
Well, can I ask you, I have to address how that paucity of understanding is also reflected amongst putative conservatives in the MAGA camp, but how do all the people you've listed, let's start there for a second, It's not possible to forget this, because the Cold War wasn't exactly a thousand years ago.
So, why is the fact that Russia is run by a former KGB colonel, who was also cross-accredited to the Stasi, which is just as bad, the East German equivalent, if not worse.
So, how is it not understood by people who have the policy-making power That this matters, who your adversary is and what they did to their fellow citizens, is a factor.
Do you have any theory as to how its memory holds?
Well, you know, if you look at the history of the Republican Party, in reaction to Woodrow Wilson and his excesses, they retreated behind two oceans.
And that was the mindset right until Pearl Harbor.
The isolationists.
Right, the isolationists.
After World War II, they came back with a vengeance.
And there were people in this country who were so afraid that Bob Taft, who was the Senate leader, and the odds on favor to win the Republican nomination, would be elected and would tank NATO and tank everything that Harry Truman had done.
That all of a sudden, some very smart people said, we need Ike.
And Eisenhower comes.
Nixon is his right-hand man.
Former Supreme Commander of Allied Forces.
Right.
He understands.
He told a great story about awakening to the Soviet threat.
He was having a polite conversation with Zhukov at the Berlin Victory Parade in 1945.
That's the General of the Red Forces.
The Marshal of the Soviet Union.
who'd saved Leningrad and Moscow.
And Ike was just perplexed.
How did your tank divisions get through those minefields that were 10 miles deep?
And Zhukov said, oh, it's very easy.
I sent many divisions of infantry in ahead of my tanks.
And Ike's eyes got this wide because he then realized what he would be facing and what America would be facing in the future.
That's lost on this crowd.
But, you know, since the beginning, we've had people who are deceived by cultural issues that impact America, and they transpose them on other cultures.
The most glaring being the place of the Russian Orthodox Church.
The Russian Orthodox Church, for the most part, at least the leadership, And I'm sure there are many good priests in there.
Has been part and parcel of first the Romanovs, then the Communists.
It's a junior partner in the state.
In orthodox countries, if you've been to an orthodox country, the mayor walks into the church with the orthodox priest.
Why?
Because there is no separation of church and state.
There is not.
And most of the orthodox patriarchs, the metropolitans, have been on the payroll of Soviet secret police, Russian secret police.
Putin uses them as stooges.
We know what their backgrounds are.
People have criticized Zelensky for cracking down on some of the Russian churches because they're hotbeds of sedition.
Uh, but that goes to another problem that you pointed out in your question, that people, if they knew history at all, they've certainly forgotten it.
Hold that thought.
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Now, let's drill down on this issue just for three minutes, if I may, Secretary Wilkie.
Because you talked about transposing cultural questions from our milieu over to other countries where they don't
actually translate.
Here's a clip from Tucker Carlson after his interview with Vladimir Putin.
Play cut.
The average person cares as much about abstractions as about the concrete reality of his life.
And if you can't use your subway, for example, as many people are afraid to in New York City because it's too dangerous, you have to sort of wonder, like, isn't that the ultimate measure of leadership?
And that's true.
By the way, it's radicalizing for an American to go to Moscow.
I didn't know that.
I've learned it this week.
To Singapore, to Tokyo, to Dubai and Abu Dhabi.
Because these cities, no matter how we're told they're run and on what principles they're run, are wonderful places to live that don't have rampant inflation where you're not going to get raped.
So, to say that Moscow is a wonderful city because there's no crime and the subways are clean, I understand that transposed to San Francisco or Los Angeles, but there's something special about Russia.
People don't die in prison because they were leaders of the opposition and don't get poisoned as former SVR agents because they said something bad about their former boss.
I'm trying to make a connection here.
Please assist me, if you can, How is it that conservatives who love this country, who are horrified at what happened to, let's say, January 6 protesters, who may have committed a misdemeanor trespass and then are held in prison for two years before a bail hearing, and they don't make the connection that that's just a mirror image of what Putin does in Russia to the opposition, so the Biden DOJ is using tools similar to Putin's justice system?
Is that a difficult comparison to make?
Well, his comparison is just nonsensical.
Go back to what I said earlier.
Russia is a prison of peoples.
People are dragged out of their beds.
People are dragged out of university classes.
There is no dissent.
There are gulags in existence, almost on a Soviet scale.
Only matched by the Chinese version of the gulags in the People's Republic.
Sure, you can have order, the Putin type order, but that means that those things that Americans prize don't exist.
Right.
Free association, free speech, freedom of religion.
But this isn't brain surgery level analysis.
No.
This is pretty prosaic.
Right, and this is cloud cuckoo land.
It's like the Paul Robeson line.
When he went to Moscow in, I think, 1932 or 1933, he was palling around with our ambassador, Joseph Davis, who wrote this horrible piece of propaganda called Mission to Moscow.
Yes.
Which somebody made into a movie.
Yes.
And they both said, well, we've been to the future.
We've seen it.
They were only allowed to see what they were allowed to see.
Yeah.
And the cocktail parties that the likes of Walter Durante was holding.
Absolutely.
And I mean, Lenin was right.
We're going to win because the West is full of dupes.
You know, in Britain it was the Cliveden set with Lady Astor and all of her friends, and George Bernard Shaw, all of the Bertrand Russells of the world.
The useful idiots.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm so glad there's somebody out there who sees that we are in an effective time warp, that the useful idiots have returned, or maybe those who are just willing propagandists, for a regime that is using the tools we are lambasting Joe Biden's Department of Justice for using against President Trump.
If you're horrified But what President Trump is going through at the hands of the Department of Justice, how can you be America first and pro-Putin?
It makes no sense at all.
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We're talking to Secretary Robert Wilkie, formerly of Veterans Affairs, and God willing, if we do our part, I think I know where I want to see him after January next year.
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All right, as ever, this is flying by far too quickly.
We are so grateful to have your regular support, Secretary Wilkie.
You want to talk about the Secretary of State?
Oh my gosh, absolutely.
So, I couldn't believe this report.
You showed it to me in the green room previously.
This is from National Review.
National Review has the memo that our Secretary of State was working on as Americans were dying.
In the Middle East, and it's obvious that his priorities are right on.
Let's read the headline.
Put it up again, Eric, and I'll read it for the listeners.
Exclusive.
Blinken, Secretary of State, cautioned the State Department staff against, quote, misgendering and using gendered terms like father in official cable, including, you read it to me, it's offensive now.
To use the phrase, ladies and gentlemen.
And this was born... Don't start your speeches with ladies and gentlemen.
This was born the day after our troops are killed in Jordan.
Don't use father and mother, son and daughter.
Do not use brave men or even brave women.
Because that will offend people.
And that you should not use those terms in the presence of others.
Now you wonder why the door is slammed on this Secretary of State.
In conservative societies.
The places where we need to have a presence.
Right, where no one in the Middle East wants to talk to him.
That's exactly right.
And this is destroying, it's eating away at our Pentagon.
It is making us objects of ridicule.
Another thing, so you mentioned at the beginning Putin taking advantage of Biden and his empty threats.
Remember what this Secretary of State said after the Americans were killed in Jordan?
That we would have a sustained campaign.
Yeah, right.
Two hours.
Two hours of response.
A hundred and sixty attacks.
Well, it was in the 170s by the time they responded that one time.
Right.
And then we respond with a couple of hours.
Right.
There's been no sustained campaign.
And the Hooties managed to cross the Gulf of Aden because, I'm sure, the rules of engagement for the United States Navy said you can't sink them when they're coming across.
And now they bracket the Gulf of Aden and the Red Sea from both sides.
I'm going to say something that may sound a little bit cynical, but you were the man responsible for making sure all of our armed services were ready to go to war.
You were in the Pentagon responsible for readiness.
I have a strange kind of feeling that with things like that, the memo, don't say ladies and gentlemen, you can't say mother and father, that's actually really good because It leads to non-political individuals waking up to the insanity.
But also, there will be such a backlash that, if God willing what happens happens in November, once you and others like you are there to assist President Trump, Isn't there going to be such a desire to just set things straight?
To use the phrase from popular culture, they've so jumped the shark that they're going to want you and the president to fix this.
Well, this is a repeat of that great speech that Nixon gave in 1971 that has been so misunderstood.
When he talked about, he said, I'm speaking to you, the great silent majority.
Of course, after that speech, his popularity was at 68%.
No president since has ever hit those heights.
Sustained.
Why was he not misunderstood?
Because people thought he was talking about racial issues in the South.
Well, no, they didn't think that.
They deliberately.
What he was talking about were people responding to anti-American protests in the street.
He was talking about American citizens standing up to the wave of crime that was hitting Democrat-run cities.
Yeah.
This is 53 years ago.
And when he said that, it resonated.
He won 49 states the next year, and his popularity was at 70-something percent.
And he vanquished the Blinkens of that time, the Bidens of that time, George McGovern and the rest of it.
So this will be a redux of that?
Yeah.
Speaking to that silent majority.
Is it fair to say, you always bring the historic perspective, is it fair to say that the left is, fact is more insane than they were?
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely, because if you look at the Democratic Party at the time, and there's a fascinating book, book two, One is called 1968, The Year That Broke Politics, where Lyndon Johnson comes to the realization that half of his party's nuts.
And then Buchanan's books, Nixon's White House, where you have the President of the United States, Richard Nixon, and his friends in the Democratic Party.
Humphrey, people like that who are saying, we can't allow George McGovern in the White House.
Mr. President, is there anything we can do for you?
Well, if I may, because this is massively important, people don't understand what the White House Watergate tape is really about.
It had nothing to do with the break-in.
What he said to the FBI can't investigate this issue.
was the Democrats who were making donations to Nixon's campaign.
And he didn't want to embarrass them.
Nixon had no idea about the plumbers or the break-in.
The missing tape and the don't tell the FBI was to protect the identity, for totally gentlemanly reasons, of Democrats!
That's right.
People like Hubert Humphrey.
Yes!
And Ed Muskie.
Yes!
Those people who realized the danger And they helped Nixon.
But now, the analog of those people do not exist on the left.
Is that fair to say?
That's right.
That's exactly right.
There's no sane Democrat in a position of power.
Right.
No.
I mean, look at the President and Vice President.
Yeah, whatever you think, and of course, you know, morally, we know what he is.
But Bill Clinton wasn't insane.
No.
He would never surrender.
He was a very practical politician.
Practical politician, yes.
He was.
And if he were around today, he'd reign in the loonies.
Right.
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You're not supposed to do this in radio or on TV, but I do it when there's a reason to,
especially in terms of the reaction garnet.
So, as I said, I flew to Oxford to give a speech on—the motion before the House was, this House fears the return of President Trump.
I was, of course, arguing against the motion.
I had 11 minutes to speak.
Here is the last two sentences of what I had to say, which resonated with people.
Because, to quote the Marines, when we were in the White House, our friends felt safe and our enemies were afraid.
Thank you.
I got 140 kids in the heart of darkness, the heart of wokeism, in Oxford to vote for President Trump.
So I'm happy.
I'm happy.
Never again for king and country.
Let me ask you, it resonated because that's what we did back then, that's what you did in the cabinet.
How much harder is it going to be after the preceding four years If God willing, we win and the President comes back in.
Because, you know, we did it under Reagan after the Carter years.
Can you give us a sense of how doable the fix is?
Well, I think the cultural fix can come quickly.
Meaning the DEI and that kind of thing get jettisoned right away.
It's going to take a little longer To restore a sense of team, physical fitness standards that meet the rigors, the intractable demands of combat.
And a budget that's realistic.
A budget that doesn't spend $14 billion on climate change and DEI and whatever.
And getting Grant Sharps, who is the current Defense Minister of the United Kingdom, and he said a lot of silly things, particularly when it comes to diversity.
But he did say one thing.
He said, we're now in a pre-war phase.
And I agree with that.
And I look at the U.K., where, you know, they have the smallest Navy since the reign of Charles II.
Yeah.
And there are more active duty troops at Fort Bragg than there are in the British Army.
Or another example is there are more soldiers in the Alabama National Guard than there are in the Canadian Army under Trudeau too.
And this is what President Trump was talking about.
And I think Brit Hume hit it.
The rhetoric that comes when President Trump addresses an issue, but he was right about the Europeans.
They're not pulling their weight.
And when you see things like Canada, when I was born, when you were born, Canada had the fourth largest army in NATO.
It was a two-ocean power.
And you talk about punching above its weight because it's a relatively small country, given the fact that it's the second largest landmass on the planet.
We spend more on dependent health care at the Department of Defense than Germany and France spend on defense combined.
I just remember when we were in the White House and Chancellor Merkel was visiting with her National Security Advisor.
And this is unclassified.
And they were trying to berate us, saying, what do you mean we don't pull our weight in NATO?
And then my colleague Steve Bannon said to the job delegation, you do understand the president's about to sign an incremental increase in the U.S.
defense budget that is larger than your total defense budget.
The conversation ended at that point.
Well, think about the Balkans.
We had to put one German brigade on trucks because they didn't have transport to get from Germany.
To the then Yugoslavia.
It's an olive drab Meals on Wheels program.
I'm going to get in trouble for saying that.
But it's true, because their generals are saying it.
They can't fight.
That's a British reference, Meals on Wheels, by the way.
And when you remove the greatest economic power in Europe from the equation...
A country where only the U.S., China and Japan are larger economies.
And then the French, who are somewhere at sixth in terms of their economic power.
That's a massive gap.
And what Trump is saying is the same thing that my former boss Bob Gates said, what Jesse Helms would say, what Ronald Reagan would say.
Enough with the freeloaders.
Yeah.
They've lived under the shield.
It can be fixed, but only if we have the likes of Secretary Wilkie back in those poll positions.
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