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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: WhatIfAltHist on the Future of the West

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	What's going on, Dr. G?
	How we doing?
	Doing great, doing great.
	What are you working on?
	Um, all sorts of things.
	I just, uh, filed a big story on, there's a memo that there's a billionaire investor guy, uh, who wrote that he is predicting, uh... Oh, uh, small, actually.
	Small investment, eh?
	Yes, sir.
	Alright, so, yeah.
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	that most people involved in this attack on migrants We're going to be back in a minute.
	Well, listen, I've been saying this over and over again.
	The national government must do its job.
	This is not a responsibility that should be placed in the lap of all of these big cities.
	We're seeing what's taking place in Chicago and Denver and Boston.
	All across our country, big cities are having to do the national government job.
	And those migrants who are here because they want to be part of the American dream, That's, we say, yes to that.
	But those who are breaking our laws, we need to re-examine the laws that don't allow us to deport them because they're doing violent acts.
	We cannot create an atmosphere where you're going to bring violence in our city.
	But they broke the law when they crossed the border, you moron.
	I don't know about anyone else, but the mayor of New York, why are you wearing a handmade three-piece suit, you know, with a vest?
	And you've got an earring in your ear.
	Who do you think you are?
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	All right, what's happening in the swamp?
	What's happening with MAGA and what's happening with the crazies on the other side?
	We'll talk to the man who knows.
	He is the Washington Bureau Chief for the conservative juggernaut that is Breitbart.com.
	Happy Thursday, Matt Boyle.
	Dr. G, always a pleasure, great to be here.
	Alright, I got two big questions you can help me with in this first segment.
	Number one, what on God's green earth does Senator Lankford think he's doing?
	It beats me.
	I don't understand, and I think he's paying a significant consequence for pursuing this nonsensical immigration deal.
	Now, the latest news just now, just as we were coming on here, Dr. G, is that they're teeing up a Senate vote on this deal, the first of a series of votes, as soon as next Wednesday, so a week from yesterday.
	But the deal that Lankford says is cool because it will make the Republicans agree to 5,000 illegal immigrants every day.
	That deal?
	It's totally insane.
	And so, and by the way, it's worth noting, they are planning a vote on this in less than
	a week in the U.S. Senate, and they have not released the text of the deal to the public.
	So literally what's happening here is, I mean, we should call him James Nancy Pelosi Lankford.
	I mean, do you have to pass the bill to find out what's in it?
	Like, why can't they release the text of this?
	Even if they don't have it all done, they should release the text of what they have right now, so the public can see this before this U.S.
	Senate tries to jam it through in the dead of night on Wednesday and Thursday next week.
	It's totally disgusting, and everybody should be ashamed of anybody that votes for this thing.
	Lankford's out there blaming what he calls, quote, Internet rumors.
	He's accusing conservative media and others of spreading, quote, Internet rumors.
	I saw another establishment Republican senator... Well, then release it!
	Right, exactly!
	I saw another establishment Republican senator, Mike Rounds, from South Dakota, out there, Dr. G. He's blaming, quote, Russian disinformation.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	Is that a Republican senator?
	Yes.
	He's blaming the Russians?
	Yes.
	Okay, what is this person's name?
	Mike Rounds.
	He's a senator from South Dakota.
	Wow.
	That is incredible.
	It's insane, right?
	These people are totally off their rockers.
	It's like they've become so committed to this swamp process of doing this stuff.
	That they're gone.
	The good news is there's a lot of good conservatives fighting back, right?
	Like, so, you know, guys like Senator Mike Lee, Josh Hawley, even Marco Rubio, who was bad on immigration in 2013.
	I think he learned his lesson after the 2016 election.
	He's fighting back against it.
	Rick Scott's fighting back against it.
	Marshall Blackburn.
	I heard a clip from her there during the commercial break that you were playing.
	She's great on it.
	So there's a lot of good senators who are going to fight this.
	And the Speaker of the House, I've got to give him credit on this one.
	I've been a critic of his a little bit on certain things.
	But I think that Speaker Mike Johnson, his mind is right on this.
	He says this thing is dead on arrival if it comes to the House.
	So we've got to hope that Speaker Johnson holds the line and people need to keep... I'll tell you this.
	People calling their lawmakers is the most important thing you can do on this thing right now.
	I can tell you right now, I talk to senators and congressmen all the time.
	They listen to the calls.
	They understand it.
	They feel the heat.
	I've got to do this because I can't believe you said this.
	We did a live fact check on my friend Matt Boyle.
	This is stunning.
	If you're from South Dakota, you better write to this guy.
	You better send his office an email.
	You better write a letter.
	Quote, this is from Twitter, Republican Senator Mike Rounds says Russia is behind the attacks on the border deal.
	Quote from the senator, I suspect that a lot of the internet rumors are very well coming from overseas, where they would love to shut this deal down.
	A Republican senator is doing Russia collusion hoaxing right now in favor of a deal that would permit 5,000 illegal immigrants every single day.
	It looks to me, Matt, that the rhinos are quite alive and well.
	Yeah, not only that, they're working with the Democrats, so there's not much of a difference between them anymore.
	And I got to give a huge shout out to the great patriots in Oklahoma, right, like where James Lankford's from.
	The state party there formally disavowed him.
	So the state Republican Party in Oklahoma formally disavowed Senator Lankford said they will not support him anymore if he continues down this path.
	So I hope that that's having some kind of an impact.
	But I mean, again, these people have just like committed to this nonsensical insanity, right?
	Like, why do we need this?
	And by the way, that's not even to mention all this immigration stuff that we're talking about.
	Not even to mention the fact that this is another $61 billion to war in Ukraine, which Where the heck did all the last money go?
	Have we had an audit of it yet?
	This is a historic amount of American taxpayer dollars going to a war of which we are not a party.
	Where is all our money going?
	I didn't even get to my second question.
	That's why we have to hold him over.
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	I'm the establishment guy.
	Total establishment guy.
	Unbelievable.
	So, yeah.
	Yep.
	It's pretty amazing, right?
	Like, I mean, the Russians are behind it, man.
	Unbelievable.
	That's something that, like, Adam Schiff would say.
	Like, you know what I mean?
	Like, it's, you know, he belongs in the other party, right?
	I'm gonna tweet that at him.
	Yeah.
	I feel like we're listening to Adam Schiff talk about Vladimir Putin or something.
	I'm asking him, are you the new Adam Schiff?
	God, what a bunch of shysters.
	Incredible.
	All right, let's see if he reacts to that.
	Okay, good.
	Someone enables them.
	Well, somebody's paying them.
	All right, cool.
	Let's talk about the border and how it's affecting the left.
	What other... Oh, I need to hear five in full, please.
	Five.
	And John, we're obviously in an election year.
	We know China tried to influence the 2022 election.
	What do you make of China's capability for that and how likely is it that China is willing to interfere in this upcoming election?
	Well, President Xi supposedly told President Biden that China was not going to interfere in the 2024 election.
	The Chinese have a lot of capability in that digital environment.
	They could engage in information operations as a way to favor some of the candidates, not just in terms of the presidential election, but also the congressional election.
	They're very close observers of the U.S.
	political scene.
	Also, Oval's confirmed that you can do 2C as well.
	Okay, good.
	And then 7?
	Last night, while most Americans were fast asleep, a House committee voted to advance the absurd effort to impeach Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas.
	The Republican House majority is moving forward with the sham impeachment effort, despite producing no evidence that Secretary Mayorkas has committed any crime.
	House Republicans have not shown that he has violated the Constitution.
	House Republicans have failed to present any evidence of anything resembling an impeachable offense.
	A sham impeachment?
	Oh really?
	That's interesting.
	What House Republicans are doing, by advancing the sham impeachment effort, is denigrating our Constitution.
	All for the sake of appeasing one person, and one person only.
	Donald Trump.
	He's a little low energy, isn't he Matt?
	Schumer's a little low energy there.
	I think so.
	I think Schumer is starting to feel the heat as we enter election year here, so.
	I think he's worried about the election.
	Things are not going well for the Democrats in the Senate.
	Do we have a chance in the Senate?
	Oh, I think so, very much so, yeah.
	West Virginia's already fallen, right?
	Yeah, that puts it 50-50 right there.
	Yeah, that's 50-50, and then all you need is Ohio or Montana or the White House, right?
	Ohio probably is most likely, I think.
	I think that's right.
	Depends on what happens in the Montana primary.
	I'm feeling very bearish on Montana.
	Yeah?
	Yeah, I have a friend there who's a lifelong Montana and she says that, yeah, Tester is a tough nut to crack.
	Unlike any other red state Dem you've ever seen.
	If it's she, he has a good chance.
	Alright, come in with KJP 6.
	Cut 6, super short.
	Alright.
	20 seconds.
	and I'll see you next time.
	Bye.
	For years, they have refused to heed the President's request for action on much-needed funding for border security.
	Oh!
	Oh, it's the Republicans' fault now!
	Oh, I see.
	Three years in, you finally admit it's a crisis, but not because you opened the border, Corinne Jean-Pierre!
	I don't think so.
	We're going to continue our discussion analyzing what this has wrought for the Democrats.
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	So Matt, you have good connections on both sides of the aisle.
	So I'm curious what you're hearing.
	We've had three years of, there's no problem, there's no problem, there's no problem, and then suddenly, oops, there's a crisis, New York is being destroyed, stop sending us illegals, we have to do something to staunch the flow.
	Can they really gaslight everybody or is this a sign that this will be the key issue or one of the top issues that hurts the Democrats most in November?
	I don't think they're gonna succeed in gaslighting people, but they're gonna try.
	So you hear Biden saying, he came out the other day and said, I'll shut the border down
	in a second.
	The Senate sends me this deal that they've made.
	I'll shut it down.
	By the way, he doesn't need a deal to shut it down.
	He can shut it down right now with the stroke of a pen.
	That's what Speaker Johnson has said.
	But the fact is that they're going to try to trick Americans into believing this, but I think the American people are too smart for them to succeed.
	I saw a poll the other day.
	I think it was a YouGov poll.
	I'm not sure which outlet did it, but there was a poll that said, Does Biden bear responsibility for the border crisis?
	Is he responsible for the migrants coming in?
	And 60 something percent, I think it was 61 or 62 percent said yes, that Joe Biden does.
	Only 29 percent say he doesn't have any personal responsibility for it.
	So two-thirds or nearly two-thirds of Americans think that Joe Biden is responsible for this and less than one-third of Americans think that he isn't.
	So I think that that is a blowout level numbers against Biden on this and that's why you're seeing the shift in tone from the Democrats on this.
	However... But it's more than a shift in tone.
	So here's my question for you.
	Is there a plan for the next 10 months just to say, oh, it's the Republicans' fault?
	Or is there some point at which they say, oops, we made a mistake?
	I don't know if we'll ever get to acceptance.
	We're talking about serially deranged people on the Democrat side.
	So I don't know if we'll ever get there, but the fact that they're doing this is an admission that this is a major issue, and I don't know if they'll ever admit that it's their fault.
	I don't think they're capable of that.
	Emotionally, mentally speaking, right?
	Like, of admitting that they made a mistake.
	They're literally snowflakes and incapable of self-introspection.
	But, I mean, this is definitely a major development, and I think it's a sign that they're worried they're losing, right?
	Like, look at the poll that came out the other day that shows Trump leading in all the battleground states against Joe Biden.
	Everywhere from Pennsylvania to Michigan to Wisconsin, et cetera, right?
	I mean, Arizona, Georgia, right?
	Like, Trump is leading everywhere right now.
	And he's on track for an electoral romp against Joe Biden.
	And major investors are literally, the people that are investing millions and billions of dollars on Wall Street, are literally planning for Trump to win.
	And they are noticing that as Trump takes the lead in the polls, that the stock market is booming.
	I just saw a billionaire investor, this guy named Scott Bessing, did a big memo today And I just wrote a story about it, it should be up on Breitbart shortly, that literally walks through this.
	I mean, the people with the money know, the smart investors understand that Trump coming back to the White House means a major economic boom, but even on the way there, as people are expecting him to defeat Biden, that investors are benefiting from the expectation even.
	And an interesting little tidbit I got just yesterday.
	A lot of the people who worked in the first Trump administration who haven't really been very supportive or have been rather quiet in the last three years when it comes to supporting the president are suddenly calling up all the important places saying, ooh, can I work in a second Trump administration?
	Even the cowards see the writing on the wall.
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	Eric, was it this week?
	Time just goes too fast.
	This definitely is a week that flew by.
	Yeah, it was earlier this week.
	That's nuts.
	Because of a phone call that was recorded between her and the chairman of the GOP in Arizona who was trying to bribe her Not to run for the Senate because she's too MAGA, too close to the President, and when she said, no, you can't buy me not for a billion dollars, why don't you go public with this bribe attempt you're being forced to peddle on me by the rhinos?
	What did Jeff, what is it, DeWitt say?
	He said, oh, I can't do that.
	If I went public, next time I got in my car and turned the ignition, it would go boom.
	Really?
	That's interesting.
	Hmm.
	Arizona politics.
	Well, he has resigned because he's scum and who has taken up the baton to fix the grand old party in Arizona.
	Must be a brave person.
	Must be a bit of a warrior princess as well.
	She is brand new, newly minted, the new chairperson of the Republican Party in Arizona, Gina Svoboda.
	Welcome to America First.
	Thank you so much, Sam.
	It's an honor to be with you.
	Are you ready to clean house?
	I am.
	I've already started.
	So, I am working on a budget.
	We, for various reasons, didn't have one over the last year.
	I have... Oh, I love that.
	For various reasons, we didn't have a budget.
	That's rather telling.
	Yes.
	Trying to be polite in my hat, my new hat, to gather everyone together.
	And we're just going to land this plane, and when we land, it's going to be on the other side of victory.
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	All right, so I have a guest who's quite regular.
	He goes by the nom de guerre of Razorfist.
	He's an Arizona resident.
	He's an amazing political analyst, and he just says in his videos on YouTube when he comes on the show, You ain't got no idea how corrupt politics is in Arizona, even on the side of the alleged good guys.
	So, um, how bad is it?
	Uh, what are you going to do if another Jeff DeWitt comes along from some other part of the party and tries to bribe you like he tried to bribe Carrie?
	Well, I have, I'm one of these people that's, um, I'm, I'm a wonky, nerdy, I love compliance.
	I am like a hall monitor without a badge.
	It frustrates people in my life.
	I remember when my daughter came to visit with me and she was using her mother-in-law's password for Netflix.
	And I didn't like that and I made her log out because I said that's not our Netflix account and we're not using that account.
	And I still get grief about that to this day.
	I'm pretty sure that people in Arizona know that about me.
	I'm also a very kind of blue collar person the way I was raised so when If people try to make some kind of inference, it's going to go right over my head.
	So the reaction would probably be me saying, I don't understand what are you trying to say?
	It would probably sound quite similar to what Carrie said.
	Are you saying this thing?
	And I have to believe at this point that no matter what people plan to do, given the situation we're in, they're not going to do that again.
	But yeah, I also cannot be bought.
	I've developed more discernment throughout my life as I've gotten older.
	When I was I'm from New York City, actually, I've been in Arizona 30 years.
	So I heard the tape about the guys back east.
	I was once a Democrat like President Trump and President Reagan.
	That's over 16 years ago, but I just, we're going to win and we're going to do it ethically and honestly by securing the election.
	We can't fight to secure the election if we're doing the bad thing ourselves.
	So that just won't happen with me at the helm.
	But you think you can fix it all by abiding by the Marquis of Queensbury rules when others are trying to cut your legs off from under you?
	Yeah, starting in 2020, in the 2020 election, I was President Trump's director of what hang on hang on we lost you there we lost
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	say that again gina i was his director of election day operations in 2020 in arizona
	thank you so that means that means you're ready well that means i've been in a knife fight with adrian
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	no one is coming So this cycle, we already have litigation going on now so that when we get into the election, the judges don't say, oh, that's latches.
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	And that's what the left has done.
	That's what Mark Elias did.
	In 2020 and in 2022, they're changing the rules of the election a year in advance and people are asleep at the switch.
	Political campaigns don't gear up until, what, April, May, June of the election year?
	You've got to get ready now.
	I'm glad you have that experience.
	I'd like you to keep us updated.
	Follow her at Gina Svoboda, S-W-O-B-O-D-A, the new chairwoman for the Arizona GOP.
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	We have really tough, tough differences.
	We really go at one another.
	Remember.
	Let's remember who the hell we are.
	Yeah, it's always good to invoke hell.
	You know, where Satan lives at a prayer breakfast.
	That's what Joe Biden just did.
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	Line one, New Jersey.
	John.
	Dr. G. Yep.
	Quick, quick, uh, suggestion for the president.
	If we can get him to start calling Democrats, Oh, maybe Oh, Oh, Biden crats.
	Um, I'm dating a woman who voted for him.
	I changed the settings on her cable box, so when she turns on her television every night, the first thing that comes on is Newsmax.
	Nice!
	I can't tell you how many times I've come home from work and she said, hey, your guy's on TV, and she's sitting there watching it.
	But why should he call them, oh, Biden-crats?
	It doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.
	Well, because I think people that are Democrats, if it sounds like a pejorative, I think the President should actually be reaching out and saying, we want America-loving Democrats to vote for us, too.
	Yeah, I like that.
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	Keep hacking her cable and see how far you get.
	Thank you, John.
	Let's go to Klaus in California, line 2.
	Hey, Dr. G. I'm surprised I didn't get screened.
	Well, there's a reason for that.
	I can't go into that right now.
	But carry on.
	We trust you.
	We recognize you, Klaus.
	So keep it clean.
	All right, quickly.
	So I have to disagree with Matt Boyle.
	I think he's full of crap when it comes to the question of, are people going to be gaslit?
	I still believe people are and will be.
	You mean on the border issue?
	Correct.
	Yeah, I really do.
	You know, you look at You look at San Francisco, and there's, you know, feces and needles everywhere, and the residents bitch, moan, and whine about it, but they will die first before they vote for a Republican.
	So, unfortunately, and you know, Dr. G., on the top of your show, you were talking about what is a society when you can just beat up police?
	Right.
	Okay, what is a society, a good society?
	What is a society that kills the unborn?
	What is a society that doesn't protect?
	Totally, but we never show the footage of what a real abortion is.
	I've posted the footage of those police officers being beaten up.
	So, you know, let's play them at their game and use the information at hand.
	Thank you, Klaus.
	I think I do agree with you.
	Stand with the President.
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	Okay, statement from the President of the United States.
	You know, 45.
	Not the rotting bag of oatmeal in the White House, as Dan Porgino calls him.
	From the day Joe Biden surrendered American dignity in Afghanistan, the world has gone to hell, because everyone knows that the occupant of the White House is weak, incompetent, and corrupt.
	The surrender of American strength and deterrence under Crooked Joe has caused massive death, horrific suffering, and untold turmoil around the globe.
	Three brave American Army Reservists are gone today, leaving behind their grieving families, because Crooked Joe enriched, emboldened, and empowered America's enemies to unleash chaos and terror onto the base in Jordan where these patriots were so savagely murdered.
	More than 40 other incredible service members were injured.
	Many will never be the same again.
	And since Joe Biden has our country hurtling straight into World War III, the carnage he is creating will only get worse.
	Never has it been more clear that Joe Biden simply cannot be Commander-in-Chief.
	For the sake of our safety, security, and indeed our survival, the American people must fire crooked Joe Biden and his entire failed administration this November before they can destroy any more precious American lives.
	And before it is just too late.
	What a statement of clarity.
	There is literally nothing in that brief paragraph that anyone living in the real world who loves America can disagree with.
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	All right, we'll go to your calls momentarily, but I need to rant again.
	I ranted at a congresswoman earlier this week who had a stupid idea and I got this letter today in the mail.
	A real letter!
	It's even got some stuff written in ink at the bottom and it kind of blows my mind because it's well-meaning but it has such a wrong-headed grasp of the world that I have to talk about it.
	I won't use the person's last name.
	He may be listening.
	He's from Worcester, Mass.
	Maybe that's the problem.
	And his name is Tom.
	I'll call him Tom.
	The International Criminal Court can indict Biden for crimes against humanities.
	I don't know what that is.
	Crimes against humanities?
	Bit confused.
	Starting with Afghanistan and the murder of our finest.
	Thousands of American citizens have died because of drug-related causes, thanks to Biden's open-door policies.
	We have lost thousands and thousands of Americans in this civil war.
	If the general public are sick and tired of the way this country is running, but a letter written by the millions of people could change the World Court's mind.
	Our Supreme Court remains useless.
	What affects the United States affects the world.
	A couple of million of letters to the World Court could make a difference.
	Um, here's the problem with that.
	The International Criminal Court is part of the globalist system.
	If you're interested in learning more about the study of the human brain, please visit the website at www.science.nl.
	If you believe in America, why the hell would you ask their help?
	That's like saying, Biden's bad.
	Let's ask Klaus Schwab of the World Economic Forum whether he can help us or the European Union.
	Seriously?
	Can we have some clarity of thought?
	Why are we here?
	Why is the left destroying our country?
	Because they hate it.
	Why do we have a movement called America First?
	Because we believe in our sovereignty.
	Not supra-sovereign entities on the other side of the world.
	Think!
	Think!
	Before you try and come up with solutions.
	And no solution you come up with should gainsay the sovereignty of the nation.
	That's why Trump.
	That's why MAGA.
	That's why breakfa- break- breakfast.
	That's why Brexit.
	That's why Maloney.
	It's about America!
	Not international institutions that don't give a damn about us.
	Please.
	Try harder.
	America first.
	Let's go to your calls.
	Dave, Arizona.
	Ultra-mega-war-room-cadre-dittos.
	Say hi to Admiral Bennett for us in Hour 3, sir.
	Thank you kindly, thank you kindly.
	What's your comment?
	What's your question, Dave?
	I have to respectfully disagree with you.
	It's not President Biden Puppet's fault about the open border.
	It's our fault.
	We the people and we the states should defend our sovereignty.
	And if the federal government refuses to do it, I've been screaming this for three, four years, we should do exactly what Abbott does, but not in a performative art way, actually physically close all the borders.
	We know all the other gates are open down there.
	Right, so why aren't the governors doing it, Dave?
	Well, the governors are weak, and if they won't do it, we the people should do it.
	Physically.
	We should physically do it.
	We should defend our sovereign state.
	What do you mean?
	The militias, or who?
	Yeah, militias, whatever label you want to put it on.
	Citizens, patriots, all of us.
	Yeah, but somebody has to organize that, because, you know, I'm one guy.
	I can't just go down to the border and secure it by myself.
	That's a little hard.
	Somebody has to organize it.
	So who's going to organize it, Dave?
	The only person I could think of that used to be in the administration would be General Flynn.
	I would think that he would have the ability to pull people together.
	And if you and Admiral Bannon would talk about it, I think we could get a good turnout down to Yuma and Eagle Pass this weekend, and maybe we'll start our own revolution to take back our Republic, sir.
	Well, I know General Flynn is traveling the country, speaking engagements very often.
	I think I think, Dave, you should find out when he's next in Arizona, and you should raise it with the good general.
	Can we, as Americans, secure our own borders?
	Interesting question.
	We don't want a civil war, but we want to be safe.
	Thank you, Dave.
	Let's squeeze in one more call.
	Let's go to the Windy Sea.
	Tom, line two.
	Hi, Dr. Gorka.
	Hope you're having a good day.
	I am.
	Dr. Gorka, I'm a couple years older than y'all, and I grew up in Chicago.
	Not one of the hardest sides of Chicago, but the south side, rough enough.
	And we got in enough trouble with the cops, and not big stuff, just being stupid kids.
	If one of us had been getting arrested, the idea of the other friends assaulting the police like happened in New York, I can't even think of something like that.
	I just have a quick question for you.
	What do you think the outrage would have been if one of them cops would have pulled their revolver and shot a couple of MSOBs?
	Well, look, have you seen the video?
	It's on my Twitter feed.
	Have you seen it, Tom?
	Yes.
	So, did you see anything that looked like their lives was in mortal danger?
	I mean they were being beaten by fists and feet, but was anybody about to drop a concrete block on the police officer's head?
	Because you're talking about using lethal force.
	Well, Dr. Gorka, they're getting kicked from behind.
	My statement would be, I don't know, because they're getting kicked from behind.
	How do they know what they're up against?
	Right, but if you're familiar with the training these officers receive, there's a concept of escalation of force.
	And if I'm being punched or kicked, I can't immediately pull out a gun and blow your head off.
	You know, that's why they have batons, that's why they have tasers, that's why they have, you know, special holes they're told to use to incapacitate people, and that's why they carry pepper spray.
	So, look, but to your question, Tom, if they'd shot one of them, the police officer would have been charged by one of the left-wing prosecutors and DAs in New York.
	We know what would have happened, Tom.
	The point is, this cannot be sustained.
	Thank you, my friend.
	Stay safe.
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	From yesterday, I think.
	Eric?
	Yes?
	I need to hear the Veljkovic cut from yesterday.
	Uh, from yesterday.
	Okay, give me a moment here.
	The full cut.
	Hold it.
	Let's see which one it was.
	Oh, yeah, this one.
	The reality is America has a capability to deter Iran, and groups like Qatar and Hezbollah, so that it doesn't happen like this again.
	And we should.
	We should start with it, with strength.
	Not just in our words, but in our actions.
	And frankly, the top of this administration doesn't seem to understand terrorist groups very well.
	I mean, who at the government right now actually has real experience successfully combating these Iranian-backed groups before?
	Because I don't recognize anyone at the top of this administration who understands how to deal with them or went up against them in Iraq or Afghanistan.
	And I've said it time and time again, Iran is at war with us, and they've been aggressively activating their proxy groups globally to target Americans.
	And we don't seem to be at war with them or have any real cohesive campaign strategy to stop them other than to just say, hey, please don't do it.
	And that's not working.
	They keep getting away with it.
	And these recent drone strikes are the consequences of that weak foreign policy, and it's going to get worse.
	I mean, how many more U.S.
	soldiers need to die before this administration wakes up?
	Alright, I'll dial him right now.
	Alright.
	you you
	It's a good thing.
	Is the president currently actively considering potential attacks inside Iran?
	We are not looking for a war with Iran.
	We are not seeking a conflict with the regime in a military way.
	And as I said in the opening, we're not looking to escalate here.
	We're not looking for a war with Iran.
	We're not looking to escalate.
	But they're killing our servicemen and women.
	What kind of a cretin are you, Kirby?
	Kabul Kirby.
	They're killing our warfighters.
	What is the right response?
	And why isn't it coming from this administration?
	I think our next guest has an answer to that.
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	My buddy Chris Plant gets up very, very early.
	And he watches TV at 5 a.m.
	and two days ago he saw this rather superb summary of the state of war today.
	Let's hear from somebody who knows a little thing about drone warfare.
	Play cut.
	The reality is America has a capability to deter Iran and groups like Qatar and Hezbollah so that it doesn't happen like this again and we should we should start with it with strength Not just in our words, but in our actions.
	And frankly, the top of this administration doesn't seem to understand these terrorist groups very well.
	I mean, who at the government right now actually has real experience successfully combating these Iranian-backed groups before?
	Because I don't recognize anyone at the top of this administration who understands how to deal with them or went up against them in Iraq or Afghanistan.
	And I've said it time and time again, Iran is at war with us, and they've been aggressively activating their proxy groups globally to target Americans.
	And we don't seem to be at war with them or have any real cohesive campaign strategy to stop them other than to just say, hey, please don't do it.
	And that's not working.
	They keep getting away with it.
	And these recent drone strikes are the consequences of that weak foreign policy, and it's going to get worse.
	I mean, how many more U.S.
	soldiers need to die before this administration wakes up?
	Do they understand what they're doing and how many more of our warfighters need to die?
	Let's ask that man, specifically.
	Brett Velikovich, welcome back to America First.
	Thank you for having me back.
	So, I think you were making a rhetorical statement there, because this administration has been supporting the regime in Tehran, so when they say they don't want to go to war with Iran, I think there are good reasons why they say that, no?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	But the fact of the matter is, Iran keeps getting away with it.
	Americans keep dying.
	And look, no one wants war.
	We don't want a war.
	But if the option was to just hand out flowers and pass out gummy bears and write nice letters to stop this, that's what we'd do.
	But that's not an option.
	That's not an option for this region.
	They don't understand anything other than strength and power.
	And Biden has just looked away For years.
	He telegraphed our responses, which is what he's doing already.
	You know, he's targeting empty locations.
	It only helps Iran's strategy.
	They have zero respect for the U.S.
	at this point with him in charge.
	And frankly, he's already signaling, you know, the administration's responses.
	And that's why we keep hearing about Iranian bases and facilities in the region being evacuated.
	And it's just it's tiring.
	I mean, they've made billions of dollars selling oil without any repercussion.
	own administration who's paid them, they invest those billions in their nuclear program, they're
	funding terrorism, and they want the world to think that this nuclear program is for
	peaceful purposes, and sadly we just let them do it, and they continue the status quo.
	When is it going to end?
	Because they just keep killing American troops until we strike them where it hurts.
	So let me ask you as somebody who's been a targeter, who understands drone warfare, what
	What is the significance of what happened on Saturday?
	So I've worked very closely with the Jordanians, I trained members of their military, of the 31st Battalion and others.
	It's our best ally in the region, or partner in the region, after Israel.
	What is the strategic significance, Brett, of an Iranian drone Killing our troops on a base inside Jordan.
	Right.
	Well, there's a lot of strategical and tactical significance.
	One, I do think we need to look at a little bit closer at the technology that was involved protecting that base because just some initial reports indicated that the anti Drone anti-rocket defenses that are typically surrounding our soldiers thought that it was a U.S.
	drone that was coming into that location.
	Coming back, right?
	They misidentified it.
	They misidentified it, which frankly, I don't even understand how it's possible.
	I don't want to get into classified arenas, but you've got to have like the equivalent of IFF transponders, which identify your drones to be friendly or foe, no?
	Exactly, and that's why I don't necessarily buy the argument, because I've been at plenty of bases where we've been flying Reapers and all kinds of aerial assets, and for this particular Iranian drone to penetrate our defenses like that, it just doesn't make sense.
	But even in other cases where we have seen uh air defenses shoot down ronnie and proxy group drones some of them still make it through so we really need to get a hold of our own technology and start defending uh defending our our troops and and civilians overseas a bit more that are in these higher risk areas you know i spent a lot of time in ukraine and they're starting to protect a lot of these major sites pretty pretty well with different layered defenses
	But that didn't occur here.
	And so somebody should be asking a lot of questions about what took place.
	So strategically, you know, it is, you know, it is a big issue what happened because, you know, there's also a lot of questions about who, frankly, authorized the strike.
	because you're seeing that, you know, they're attributed it to Qatar,
	as well, a group that I've been, you know, very, you know, frankly, very familiar with in both soldiers who have ever
	served in Iraq.
	In that area, we're familiar with that group because they would attack us pretty regularly.
	But at the same time, it almost seems like Iran is doing what they typically do, where they get to pretend that it's
	not them.
	It's these proxy groups.
	And so they get to have a little bit of standoff distance from saying that they had their finger on the trigger.
	But the reality is that they created these groups and they need to answer for doing that.
	I went out of time.
	We've got a congressman coming on next, but I've got a specific question that I want to ask you on the Rumble video feed in the break, so please stay on the line.
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	♪♪♪ Again, just on the low side.
	What do we know about, I mean that's a lot of, that's three people dead, 40 injured.
	Is this a big drone with a big payload or did it hit something that was combustible?
	What do we know?
	Those Iranian Shahid drones are brutal.
	They are brutal.
	I've seen them myself.
	So they're big?
	They've flown over me in Ukraine, downtown Kiev.
	And when those things impact, I mean, they can destroy massive buildings.
	That warhead on those Shahid drones are just huge.
	And the destruction they cause could have easily hurt that many troops.
	And they keep making those drones more and more powerful and being able to send them longer and longer distance.
	I mean, they're shooting these things from inside Russia and they're being sent hundreds of miles away.
	And so...
	Don't we have the kind of stuff the Russians have to just microwave them out of the sky?
	It's a difficult problem, Seth.
	Whoever created the Iranian Shahid drones really knew what they're doing.
	And because it has multiple fail-safes on it, in terms of not being able to jam it with electronic
	warfare...
	You know, a lot of people, the only way to really stop it is to shoot a bunch of bullets in front of it, so it happens to run into them.
	You know, it's, it's a difficult, it's just, you know, it's such an interesting aircraft with how it's been developed and it keeps getting stronger and stronger as they learn these things from these strikes.
	And so it's this cat and mouse game when it comes to drone technology, counter drone technology occurring all around the world.
	And I think at some point the US is going to have to deal with it on our own turf.
	And that's what I really fear.
	Hey, Brett, do you, do you have a podcast?
	I don't.
	You should.
	Well, thank you.
	I appreciate it.
	I'm with Fox now, so I can't really do too much.
	Oh dear.
	That's why I left those guys.
	They want to own your soul as well.
	All right.
	If there's anything I can help you, you know, you're in a very specific competitive age with what you know, so keep doing what you do.
	Thank you, my friend.
	I really appreciate you.
	All right.
	God bless.
	Stay safe.
	Thanks.
	Thanks, bye bye.
	We haven't had him before, have we, Congressman?
	No, his Skype doesn't show up.
	I'm trying to call them to see if they can call us.
	You're listening to America First with Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to President Donald J. Trump.
	What a fascinating niche area.
	I don't, I think I've only seen him, I don't think, I haven't seen anybody apart from Brett Velikovich who can talk meaningfully as a former drone targeteer about what's happening in Iran, in Jordan, in Russia with this stuff.
	Fascinating.
	Well, for a national security wonk like me.
	It's part of the news.
	It's very viral.
	We haven't touched it at all.
	But yesterday there was a hearing in the Senate about social media and the rash of suicides it has resulted in amongst minors.
	Not just cyber bullying, but also the sexually inappropriate stuff that apparently Mark Zuckerberg and his colleagues are doing very, very little to counter.
	We love Marsha Blackburn.
	It's been a while since she's been on the show.
	And she did not pull any punches with Zuckerberg yesterday.
	Cut for the great Marsha Blackburn from Tennessee.
	Mr. Zuckerberg, yes, there are a lot that is slipping through.
	It appears that you're trying to be the premier sex trafficking site in this country.
	Of course not, Senator.
	Senator, that's ridiculous.
	No, it is not ridiculous.
	You want to turn around and tell these people that- Of course we don't want this content on our platforms.
	Why don't you take it down?
	We do take it down.
	We are here discussing- We do more work to take it down than- We need you all to work with us.
	No, you're not.
	You are not.
	And the problem is we've been working on this.
	Senator Welch is over there.
	We've been working on this stuff for a decade.
	You have an army of lawyers and lobbyists that have fought us on this every step of the way.
	You work with NetChoice, the Cato Institute, Taxpayers Protection Alliance, and Chamber of Progress to actually fight Our bipartisan legislation to keep kids safe online.
	And that wasn't enough.
	God bless Marsha Blackburn, Josh Hawley.
	I haven't seen this before in the Senate.
	At least not this kind of drama since maybe the 50s or maybe the HUAC hearings.
	He got Mark Zuckerberg to stand up And apologize to the families of those who were present in the gallery, in the Senate chamber, whose children had committed suicide because of what they'd experienced on social media.
	The second half of it is hard to hear because he literally stands up, Zuckerberg stands up, turns around away from the microphone to apologize to the parents, but quite, quite a momentous result.
	Not something you see often in the floors of Congress.
	Let's play that cut.
	You haven't compensated a single victim.
	Let me ask you this.
	Let me ask you this.
	There's families of victims here today.
	Have you apologized to the victims?
	Would you like to do so now?
	They're here.
	You're on national television.
	Would you like now to apologize to the victims who have been harmed by your product?
	Show them the pictures.
	Would you like to apologize for what you've done to these good people?
	I'm sorry for the situation we're all in.
	It's terrible that no one should have to go through the things that your families have suffered.
	And this is why we invest so much in our own community, doing industry-leading efforts
	to make sure that no one has to go through the types of things that your families have had to suffer.
	I think the lower third that you wrote there, Eric, is...
	It's very appropriate.
	He was humiliated.
	Zuckerberg was humiliated.
	I just don't know what difference it makes.
	I know children who were humiliated in this way.
	The sexual content that's hard to recover from.
	Family members as well who were bullied in this way.
	I'm curious, Alex, do you think a hearing like that makes a difference in the long term?
	I would sure hope so.
	You think having a CEO grilled like that could change their policy?
	Again, I hope so.
	Yeah.
	So do I. So do I. It's so easy to get inured to the vacuous, superficial nature of politics and to think that it's all just a veneer and nothing really makes a difference.
	Social media.
	Such a boon on one hand and such an utter scourge.
	I wonder if there's anything really in terms of knowledge that we've learnt.
	Maybe you can access so many books all in a nanosecond.
	But the cost?
	The cost of everything else?
	The filth?
	The degeneracy?
	Well, we shall see.
	All I know is if you have children, protect them.
	I'm so proud of mine when I wanted to send them something on social media and they said, oh, we deleted our apps.
	We don't have social media.
	When your kids realize, yeah, it's time to pay attention.
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	Apparently, our new guest, a congressman who is going to tell us what's really happening on Capitol Hill, just revealed to me that He's a patriot too, telephonically as well as politically.
	Welcome to America First!
	Congressman Andy Ogles, Tennessee's 5th Congressional District.
	Is it true your phone is connected to Patriot Mobile?
	It is.
	I mean, anytime I can do a business with a company that loves America versus hate America, I'll take that opportunity.
	And Patriot Mobile, you know, I saw the ads, quite frankly, on one of your episodes, and I was like, well, I need to give those guys a shot.
	And so here we go.
	And I've had great service, not a political ad or a commercial, but it's the truth.
	I've been with them and they're great.
	And again, like you said before, you've got all these companies, they dominate the market and they literally are working against you, whether it be the abortion issue, killing babies or taking away your guns.
	Which is one of the reasons why myself and Thomas Massey are leading a letter to the Speaker.
	We have 75 co-sponsors, making sure that some of the kind of the shadow or the gun control things that they're trying to slip through Congress, that we put a block on those, like the undetectable firearms issue.
	So, but with that, you know, you've got to be on point, you've got to be on guard, because we are under attack, the Republic is in jeopardy, and I appreciate all that you do.
	Well, that's so kind.
	I will send a clip of this show to Glenn and the rest of the Patriots at Patriot Mobile.
	All right, let's talk about the things we wanted to get you on the show to discuss.
	First things first, we love Marshall Blackburn from your state, the great senator.
	What the heck is going on in the House and the Senate?
	Why are there some Republicans who want to agree to a border bill that would actually codify 5,000 illegals every 24 hours?
	What's happening, Congressman?
	Yeah, well, fortunately, we have true patriots like Marsha Blackburn, like Ted Cruz, like Mike Lee, like Rick Scott that are holding the line on this kind of nonsense.
	So think about it for a minute.
	Under Joe Biden, you've got you've had now 400,000 people coming into this country illegally per month.
	I mean, those are absurd numbers.
	And now their solution for fixing the border is to legally, I don't even know how you do this, legally allow 1.8 million people to come to this country illegally.
	I mean, this is nonsense.
	And the danger with that is because you're giving these individuals a status and it's an expedited process, they can't be deported.
	And so you know what it is?
	It's amnesty.
	You can call it what you want, but it's amnesty.
	And this is something that is going to destroy this country.
	And there's an ulterior motive of why Joe Biden and the left and the blue mayors want to do this.
	Because if they can turn Texas, Arizona, New Mexico forever blue, they think that they'll own the electoral college.
	We've got to fight back.
	And keep in mind, we didn't have this problem under Trump.
	The Republican Party needs to rally around Trump.
	We need to get to business.
	We need to get to work and we need to elect Donald Trump.
	Your team approached me.
	I've just followed you on Twitter.
	I've just reposted one of your tweets.
	It's like 24 seconds long where you say, Mallorca shouldn't be impeached.
	He should go to prison.
	I've been saying, I've been saying that he should be arrested by some patriotic sheriff for the last three years.
	So God bless you.
	Follow this man right now on Twitter at Rep Ogles, O-G-L-E-S.
	That's Rep Ogles, Tennessee's fifth congressional district.
	Let's talk about national security, the consequences of October the 7th.
	You've been very, very outspoken on this.
	There's an article from Breitbart we have where you are calling Well, and so, you know, I hate to scare your constituents and your audience, but, you know, we have caught in this last year roughly 250 terrorists at the southern border.
	here and how serious the threat is, Congressman?
	Well, and so, you know, I hate to scare your constituents and your audience, but, you know,
	we have caught in this last year roughly 250 terrorists at the southern border.
	We have caught individuals at the southern border with IEDs or explosives.
	And we know that we have terror cells operating on United States soil.
	We also know that we have Iranian assassins with a hit list on United States soil.
	So it's time to go on the offensive.
	It's time to start deporting people who don't love us, that wish you and I harm.
	And the reason why, let's go back to this border issue as a whole, because The illegals come in here, the terrorists come in here, the fentanyl that's flooding our streets that our kids are overdosing on.
	If you and I went to the southern border, and you and I just assisted 12 people, Coming across the border.
	Maybe they were in danger, but you and I facilitated them coming across the border.
	You and I would go to prison.
	Yeah.
	But Mayorkas, he lets 8 million people in, there's nothing happening.
	Joe Biden, he lets 8 million people come in and nothing's happening.
	Every murder, every rape, every bruglary, every carjacking at the hands of an illegal is at the hands of Joe Biden.
	And it's time for justice, which is why we have to impeach him, which is why, again, I said it once and I'll say it again, Trump is the only candidate that can fix this country, and it's time to rally around our president.
	Well, I like what I heard.
	Gentlemen, let's put this individual on the re-invite list.
	Thank you for speaking the truth.
	I'm not surprised you're from Tennessee.
	In the meantime, please follow this man at RepOglesOgles.House.Gov.
	Keep doing what you do.
	And please, would you be a guest again on the show, Congressman?
	Absolutely.
	All right.
	God bless.
	Keep doing what you're doing.
	Say hi to Marsha if you see her.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	Don't impeach my orcus stop arrest him Sorry one more time
	Don't impeach Mayorkas, period.
	Arrest him.
	That's for Ogles, all right?
	Yeah.
	And Velikovich?
	Oh, I thought I gave you one.
	We ran out of time before you could give me one.
	Uh...
	What shall we call it?
	Uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh...
	...
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	Give me an idea.
	What's the right response to Iran or something like that?
	The right response to Iran?
	Indeed.
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	Kind of apology, but even then, incredibly, he had prostate cancer.
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	I want you all to know why this happened.
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	And you didn't want to tell anybody?
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	Next up, the one and only What If Alt Hissed.
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	you Well, because there are lots of very interesting, intelligent people out there.
	Don't get me wrong, live radio with breaking news and seven, eight-minute segments is all well and good and very important, especially in a new cycle the likes of which we've been living in since President Trump arrived on the scene.
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	That's why we do one-on-one.
	And today...
	I caught one.
	I've been trying to reel him in, I think for a year now.
	My son introduced me to him first.
	He's probably one of the most intellectually exciting, I hate the phrase, content providers out there today.
	Despite the vapidity of social media, YouTube included, his site, what If alt-hist, what if alt-ternative history?
	If you're not subscribed to it, I promise you, you are having not as intellectually exciting a life as you could.
	And that's why I, as host of America First, I'm very excited to get Radyard Lynch on the show today.
	Radyard, welcome to America First one-on-one.
	Sebastian, you flatter me beyond recognition, and thank you so much for having me.
	Well, I'm just glad that after I approached you, I think it was about a year ago, to come on this show, you said, no, no, no, no, I don't do interviews.
	And then recently I saw a friend of mine interview you, and I said, aha, he has come out from behind the curtain, the wizard of what If Alt Hist is prepared to do interviews, so we're super excited.
	I want to talk about you and your background, but let's save that for later.
	First, I'm just going to start with the big question up front.
	You analyze civilization.
	You analyze the difference between civilizations, and you talk about the truth of what the West is.
	One of your most recent videos is Superb, which puts a juxtaposition between the West and modernity and explains the tension between them.
	We'll get to all of that and we'll geek out together.
	But first, if you had a crystal ball, given everything you know and have read, give me a prognosis.
	Give me a probability out of a hundred concerning the imminent demise of the West.
	Does the West exist today?
	And if it does in any meaningful sense, is it long for this world, Radhyad?
	What I say is that when you do civilizational analysis, the boundaries you create in some ways are arbitrary, where you could say Latin America is part of Western civilization, you could say Japan and China are the same civilization.
	But that doesn't stop there from being fundamentally important differences.
	Western civilization is clearly not Islam or India.
	And The video that Sebastian's talking about that I just released, I claim modernity is a different civilization from the modern West.
	And what I mean by that is, if you look, there's about 10 different things you can measure a civilization by.
	It's religion, it's architecture, the ethnicity of the people involved, it's legal code.
	And what I generally found is that There have been enough changes over the last century to warrant the creation of a new civilization rather than the West and this has been masked and we've never really thought about it clearly as a society where if you look at our
	I'd compare California to, let's say, Poland.
	Poland is part of old Western civilization in Europe.
	And California, they're redesigning the legal code.
	They are trying to get rid of English as the language.
	It's a post-Christian society.
	The architecture is completely different.
	And across all those different metrics, you've seen something new develop.
	I frankly do think the West will survive, because if you- I took an hour to explain this in the video, so I can't do it all right now, but as I analyzed this, what I found is that modern civilization is based upon fundamentally short-term assumptions that don't have any fun- that don't have any real rooting into the world, and so I've seen it Effectively, I see it effectively burning out, and that's something I can explain in more detail if you'd like.
	But I think the West will still be here centuries from now.
	It went up a week ago.
	It's one of your longer videos.
	I warmly recommend every single listener, all three and a half million of you who are tuned in right now, after the show to go to YouTube and plug in What If Alt Hist and the video entitled Understanding Modern Civilization.
	Let's just, you know, walk around it, let's tease it out a little bit.
	You mentioned Poland.
	Now, my parents originally, my family was originally from Poland, my parents were Hungarian, who'd escaped, the family had escaped Poland in 1848 and ended up in Hungary.
	And one of the things about Poland, shockingly, during a communist dictatorship, it was one of the nations that ...resisted and culturally maintained its identity more than any other.
	You look at Ember Hodges' Albania, you look at Romania under Ceaușescu, even Hungary under Goulash communism, and one of the differentials, clearly in the case of Poland, is the strength of the Catholic Church that never bowed to the communist state in entirety, despite a great deal of pressure to do so in actual murder of priests for political purposes.
	You mentioned the word Christian.
	Is that the yardstick that separates California from Poland?
	Is it the loss of the historic Christian values that is the best indicator of those parts of the West that have fallen by the wayside?
	The short answer is yes.
	I could make a complicated argument where Ethiopia or Russia are Christian, but they're not part of the West.
	But as it exists in our civilization, the decline of Christian values is the thing that translates from Western to modern civilization.
	And one of the things I really do dislike about the modern Way we write history is we treat cultural factors and religion as if they have no value.
	But the reality is religion is one of the most important factors of how a society operates.
	And so when you pull religion out, you pull out all the assumptions attached to it.
	You pull out the entire culture and the entire civilization.
	And so with the decline of Christianity, we've seen the West transform into something that Bears very little resemblance to what it did before and just as a couple examples Once you remove the idea of a dignity of the human soul You will allow mass atrocities like the Nazis or the communists once you remove the idea of truth then ideologue sees control of the Academy whether the Nazis communists are wokes and so Once you remove this Christian framework the entire society changes so let's
	When you say this fascinating answer that you're optimistic because it seems as if there could be a new civilization, is it a new civilization or is it a recrudescence, a rebirth of the West informed by Christianity?
	What are you positing in an optimistic view of the future for the West?
	You're really asking great questions.
	Most of the interviews I go on don't go this deep, if I'm honest.
	These are the kind of questions I like to answer.
	I think that the West will, when I say new civilization, I'm talking about modernity.
	And I think modernity is fundamentally short term.
	And the reason I say that is that It's based upon assumptions that can't exist in the long term.
	For modern civilization, as an example, they always need to have progress and always need to change.
	There's no reflection upon why we need to study history or why we need to have shared values and any of that stuff.
	And so because of that, modernity shoots itself in the foot because it can't think clearly about the world and There was an author named Oswald Spengler who wrote around a hundred years ago, and he predicted a lot of really good, he predicted a lot of brilliant stuff.
	He said around the year, and again he was writing this in World War I, he said around the year 2000, so a hundred years later, the West would be suffering through a period of nihilism and Caesarism, and that's basically our reality.
	But then with Spengler's historic cycles, what he said is that at the end, This society reverts back to a new religiosity.
	And so we predicted by 2100 that the West would be a fundamentally Orthodox Christian civilization again.
	And I do think that we'll see a major resurgence of Christianity over the next century for a couple different reasons, one of which is the birth rate.
	One of my friends jokes it's impossible to get an urban atheist to have a grandkid.
	And so religious people are the only educated people who have kids.
	Secondly, the serious issues our society has around moral degeneracy, around collapsing social trust, around—our society is just nihilistic.
	It has no way in the world.
	And these are issues that over history are only solved by religion.
	And so I don't see a way we don't have a religious resurgence over the next century, if I'm being honest.
	Most people just look at the 20th century when they understand history, but if you look over the entire direction of human history, you find that basically every single society in history is religious, and the 20th century is a bizarre exception because it was such a ridiculously Wealthy and prosperous and growing society that for a couple generations people could believe that they didn't need God.
	But if you look back across the entire previous part of history, religion was seen as the fundamental building block of every society in the world.
	Right.
	Right, all right.
	I'm adding question upon question.
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	Now, I hate the phrase devil's advocate, and I'm not deliberately doing this to, you know, just test you, but what you said about the inevitability of a new civilization or a revivification of Christian values in the West, well, because everything's so nihilistic and young kids aren't having babies, okay, so why can't that rot?
	Just get worse and worse and worse for centuries.
	Why does it necessitate a positive rebirth?
	And because you write and produce so many fascinating videos on war and conflict, it is my contention, and maybe it's because I've been doing national security for 30 years, that the history of mankind is the history of war.
	Let me put this to you.
	That rebirth and that rediscovery of the West's real values is hard to posit Without a sizable war.
	One of your recent videos was about would the U.S.
	win a war with Iran?
	Everybody watched that as well.
	Let me put it to you.
	That rebirth may necessitate something as horrific as the World War I, which actually brought upon us the nihilism of the last hundred years.
	What do you think of that scenario?
	Okay.
	My take is that, actually let me backtrack a little bit, where the number one mistake people make when they try to predict the future is they project what happened over their lifetime for another lifetime.
	And the reality is that that never happens.
	And a great example of it was In the 60s, I saw this poster from the 60s, Soviet cities on the moon.
	And that was a reasonable estimation because if you were in 1960, the things that happened before you were the growth of Russian power and the advancement in aeronautical space technology.
	But those were things that stopped right then.
	And the thing that's much, much more likely is that the next generation is a reaction to the one before it.
	History and the natural order and countries are living things.
	A nation is a group of people with emotions who react to the environment.
	And so you have all of these natural feedback loops in the ecosystem that is global politics.
	And nihilism can't keep going because we're burning through it so fast that we're going to remove the previous... A society goes in a certain direction, things get too bad, and the pendulum swings back.
	And As of now, no industrialized country has a sustainable
	birth rate.
	You're seeing mass, you're seeing declines in every single metric of, I just call it civilization.
	You see rising crime, you see breakdown in social mores, you see marriages collapsing.
	You see loss of faith in nations.
	Every single social bond that other eras would have used to hold themselves together is dying now.
	But the problem there is that That can't go on for another 10 years.
	We're already so close to degeneracy that we're just, if we go for another 10 years, we can't survive as a society.
	But the good news is that over the generations, as we continue to see these problems, there will be a selection pressure towards people who don't have those traits.
	And so, as an example, religious people are one of the very, very few who have children.
	And so, What will inevitably happen is religious people have children, they build strong societies who hold each other together, then their children have more children, then their children have more children.
	And what you've effectively done, and a point I'd like to throw out, is that over history, cities have never had sustainable populations where Over no period in history, even the Romans, the Greeks, ancient times, have cities able to sustain themselves.
	And so your society's demographics are basically the rural population, where rural populations are the only ones that are able to replicate themselves and are the only ones that are able to replicate themselves.
	And So that's going to be the demographic future with rural religious people.
	My researcher did a project on this where he researched what factors do you need to have a sustainable birth rate.
	And it's basically you need a rural religious population.
	Those will replicate and then in 70 years you'll see a demographic compounding effect where they're the entire most of the population.
	And this is what you've seen over history.
	It's why over history rural religious people are the vast, vast majority of the human race.
	You said a lot of good points, Sebastian, so it's taking me a second to go through all of them.
	That's fine.
	But do you think war is a likely catalyst or precipitator?
	I was getting there.
	Yeah.
	I mean, if you look over history, you find that over a single lifetime, you can bet on peace.
	But then over a hundred years, there's no chance your country will have peace over a hundred years.
	And I like what you said is apt, that the history of the world is the history of war.
	Today we have such a profound amnesia and disforgetting as a society where we don't look at the historic precedent at all.
	And so because of that, we say silly things because we don't have the wisdom to know what's going on.
	In our society, the fundamental ideal of modernity is that we're special.
	None of the lessons of history matter, but that's mad.
	And so I think we're definitely going to have a war.
	Because the current elite and social structure we have is so entrenched that it has to reset in the same manner World War I or the Napoleonic Wars reset Europe, where each new age – I'm actually developing a theory of history that you have 100-year ages over the modern world, and each one is bisected by a war.
	And so because of that, I definitely think we're going to have a major war, and that this major war will set into effect the cultural patterns I talk about.
	A theory of history.
	That sounds like a superb idea for a book.
	I've been needling him for months.
	Ever since my son introduced me to Rudyard, I think a book would be a superb idea.
	In your latest video, and one of the nicest things about your videos, you're not even on the screen.
	You have superb visuals, you intersperse them with, you know, texts that act as footnotes.
	We've got a fascinating map of what modernity is, or how limited the scope of modernity is.
	Then you have your chart of what progressives posit, or is the evolution of progressivism, of course, all of it fallacious.
	One line in your latest video that I loved is you said, we have the worst elite in history now.
	I've always said we are in this perverse age where, never seen before really, where our elites hate the civilization of which they are the elite.
	That is unsustainable, is it not, Rudyard?
	Yeah, that's a great question.
	And I said we have one of the worst elites.
	Sorry, you said one of the worst.
	Yes.
	I mean, like you, there are ways where the Roman slave owners or the medieval nobility or whatever, or I put Stalin's Russia ahead of us right now.
	But the reason I say that, and I want to backtrack this with every era has a bias towards their era of history as they study it.
	And that's because we have to live in our time period.
	So we make up stories that justify having to deal with the lives that we do.
	And we actually live in a pretty tyrannical society, but we don't think about it.
	And petty regulations is a great example.
	In some neighborhoods, you have to get the zoning board to approve your interior decoration.
	You have to get the zoning board to approve the fly screen on your back porch.
	Your kids go to school for many, many hours a day where they basically have no liberty.
	We work in giant companies where we're cogs in the machine.
	And so on an individual basis, we're a remarkably unfree period in history, even if 300 years
	ago you had a monarch, but you control the affairs inside your own village or inside
	your own household.
	And there are several ways in which our elite is not good or very bad.
	One is, as you said, they are completely divided from the population.
	I say in the video that our world has an elite who are fundamentally a different religion and a different entire civilization from their subjects.
	And so what that means is that they view the majority populations of the countries that are under them with complete contempt.
	Yes.
	In America, and this is also true of China and Europe, the values and the things that the population care about are seen as moral bads to the elite.
	And so because of that, there's—it's not that they—they are both unaware of our interests, and they don't care, and they hate them.
	And so that's a remarkably unresponsive population.
	I think due to the wealth of the post-war period, we live in what I call the—we live in an upside-down world, where everything is the opposite of what it should be, and the elites are trying to break all of the social codes in order to basically— Tame the population and completely dominate them. This is
	why they're trying to destroy the culture trying to destroy the religion trying to destroy
	All of these different things they're bringing millions of immigrants to replace to replace the indigenous population
	And we have things like the World Economic Forum actually Openly saying you will own nothing and you will enjoy it.
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	We are back with What If Alt Hist, a man whose channel was introduced to me by my son Paul.
	I am forever indebted, anything that comes up on my feed from him I watch because it is that Good.
	When I found out how flipping young you are, I was shocked.
	Let's talk a little bit about Rudyard Lynch.
	Who are you?
	Where did you come from?
	And most importantly, how many books are you reading at the same time?
	And how many books do you read in a year?
	Because you must simply, you know, touch the book to your forehead and absorb it osmotically, because I think you read more than anyone I know.
	Thank you.
	So for some backstory, I'm 22 years old and I'm from an hour outside Philadelphia and I went to college for a single semester because I started my YouTube channel age 13 when I was bored and I just did it as a hobby and what I did originally is alternate history.
	Like, what if the South won World War II and what if the Nazis won the Civil War?
	And with that sort of thing, I did it for seven years and then I I realized, I view it almost now as if, how do I phrase this, as fan fiction for real history.
	And so I learned those skills and now I apply it to the topics I do, like geopolitics, anthropology, history, philosophy, that sort of thing.
	And my channel took off in my first semester of college, so I dropped out.
	I lived as a digital nomad in a bunch of places.
	where I lived in Mexico, lived in Peru, spent a couple months in California, spent a couple
	months in France.
	And so I lived in a bunch of places and now I live in Texas.
	And to answer your question, I read about, I read 60 books this last year and I read
	80 books the year before.
	So I do read a lot, and it's just something I love to do.
	It naturally gets me into the flow, and so when I'm bored and I don't know what I'm doing, I just read.
	Athletes talk about instinctively exercising, and that's what I do.
	Where did you get that from?
	Was it innate?
	Was it a teacher?
	Was it a relative?
	Because that is so incredibly rare today, especially for a 21 year old to actually read a book.
	Thanks.
	Both of my parents are very avid readers, but they never really pushed me to read.
	I just had books in the house and when I was 11, I I've had a couple neurological breakthroughs like this.
	When I was 11, I looked because I had never read a book before age 11.
	Then I looked at a book and I realized if I read every page here, I can do this.
	And I've continuously read ever since then.
	And it was just a decision.
	If I can do this, I can do this.
	And that's the kind of attitude I've had for life, where after the end of high school, I walked 600 miles on the Appalachian Trail by myself.
	And the reason, when I had to convince myself to do it, I thought, just put one foot in front of the other.
	And so much of life is like that.
	I just did the channel.
	I just dropped out of school.
	And most things in life Don't require that much thinking.
	You just have to actually put one foot in front of the other.
	In an age of social media and TikTok and pathetic book sales, you are the oddity.
	You are the outlier.
	Does knowledge have any value in our society today, Radhyad?
	Depends what you mean by value.
	If I'm being honest, for most guys my age, we are not a meritocratic society.
	Where most big comp- I'm really glad I became a YouTuber, because if you're a 22-year-old white man, it's very hard to get hired, irrespective of whatever you do in life.
	That's something that's really horrible, and I never imagined in our society And I don't think as of now knowledge is rewarded in our economy.
	What's rewarded is credentialism But if you want to improve yourself as an individual and fundamentally Your life is determined by who you transform yourself into an individual you will wire your mind through so many habits and That those habits become who you are.
	And I think knowledge is, it pays you back in understanding the world and not being fooled and being able to change yourself and in wisdom.
	And fundamentally, I believe that the most important skill you can have in life is to be aware of who you are, what your surroundings are, Wow.
	I think that's going to be a clip we're going to be putting on social media.
	We're talking to, he calls himself a content creator.
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	Rudyard Lynch.
	He is the man behind the What If Alt His channel.
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	Right, I am desolate that we're almost out of time.
	A couple of big questions left for our special guest Rudyard Lynch.
	As one of my team members said, what a cool name.
	Who's called you Rudyard anymore?
	Excellent.
	That by itself is a Tick mark in the right direction.
	A question from my son who introduced me to your channel originally.
	It's not all about the West.
	It's not all about us.
	It's also about the difference between civilizations.
	So you've analyzed the cultural shifts and the different developmental tendencies of not just the West and America within the West, but also Russia and China.
	Watch those videos, guys.
	But for those who are listening right now, What do the trend lines you seek, especially demographically, what do they vote for the future between, for example, Russia, China and America?
	Who has the best equations?
	And if there is going to be conflict, who between?
	I'm really glad you brought that up because the civilization videos are actually the ones that I'm most proud of.
	I think that's the videos where I put the most skill in.
	And of the people watching, I get the impression most of you would probably like my politics videos, but if you want to see the videos where I feel as if I put the most knowledge and Ideas into it's my playlist on civilizations where I've covered I covered 13 different civilizations and their strengths and weaknesses whether the Mesopotamians the Greeks and the Romans the Chinese Southeast Asia India Russia, and I really want to finish off the other civilizations but
	I actually think Russia and China are much weaker countries than America, and I think America will remain the world's dominant power for the next century.
	And because fundamentally of that, despite everything we've said about the elites, the bi-coastal elites, the vitality of rural America, correct?
	Yeah, definitely.
	And actually, that's a great point to throw in because The biggest reason Russia and China are failing is that fundamentally their leftist elites gutted out their country.
	If you look at Russia or China, or Russia, Russia before the communists was wealthy, technologically advanced.
	It was a cultural powerhouse.
	It was militarily powerful.
	70 years later, it was none of that.
	China under Mao got gutted too, but If you compare Russia to America and America to Russia and China, what I find is that America leads in the biggest variables that determine national success.
	Ironically, we're younger than both countries.
	We have a stronger birth rate, and I think the birth rate is going to kill Russia and China.
	China's economy is absolutely horrible now.
	They have 50% youth unemployment.
	Russia's economy is They're dependent on exports, and they don't really have a value-added economy.
	They're not really industrialized.
	Or they are industrialized, they don't make anything.
	And Russia and China are fundamentally low-trust players, which no one is incentivized to work with.
	Both of those countries' only allies are poor dictatorships where they need cheap money to keep their unpopular governments in power.
	I think due to all of these factors, China and Russia will have revolutions in the next couple years.
	And when you look at our civilization, is it fair to posit a connective tissue between America First and MAGA, Brexit in the UK, Maloney in Italy, and so on and so forth?
	I know it's derisively and pejoratively called populism, but it's really about national sovereignty, a reassertion of Westphalian concepts of the nation-state, It can't be an accident that these things are happening almost concurrently across Western Europe.
	No, that's obvious to me.
	I don't know why populism is derisive, because I always assumed our society believed in the public, it believed in responsiveness to the democracy.
	And so the fact that people use populism as a negative word, that sounds like something King George would say.
	Well, but if you're a member of the elite, and if you look down on everybody else, then it becomes pejorative.
	Yeah, it's just ironic we've gotten here as a society.
	Yeah, they're all part of the same process because people realize that fundamentally the elites don't have their best interests in mind.
	And so you've seen a rebellion against that, and it's a rebellion against elites in general, even vis-a-vis the previous conservative establishment.
	And so it's all the same process of effectively trying to get rid of modern civilization.
	And before we started the interview, we were talking offline about the left, and we were in agreement that there's this strange paucity or weakness amongst them, because they have no heavyweight intellectuals anymore.
	The Bertrand Russells, the Karl Marxes are long gone and they're dead, so it seems to be an ideologically homogenous hive, but without any creative big thinkers.
	Does that mean that they are condemned to an imminent collapse because they don't have the great minds?
	I think the left is going to lose.
	I think they're going to get wiped out.
	And I say that for a couple reasons.
	What Sebastian said is accurate, where before the call, before this interview, I compared it to imagine a war band wins a battle, they start feasting, they start drinking, and then They just it's 2 a.m.
	They're all drunk.
	They're all their bellies are full and they can't fight anymore and the left to seize control of all the major institutions in society and thus because of that they.
	They don't have to actually try.
	There are no major leftist intellectuals anymore.
	The left is throwing away everyone reasonable from their faction.
	It's a big trend on YouTube, or in politics in general, to see people who used to be moderate left-wingers be part of the rights coalition, like Shoe-on-Head or Russell Brand or Joe Rogan.
	Yes.
	Because the left throws away reasonable people, and they're this fanatical cult that just keeps on eating their own members.
	And so Reason one they're not going to survive is they've grown decadent.
	Reason two, they can't think clearly because they're losing intellectuals or free thinkers.
	Reason three is they're fundamentally nihilistic.
	The left wants to kill their own societies.
	They don't believe in children.
	They don't believe in the nation.
	They don't believe in the continued survival of anything in the world.
	They don't believe in art.
	They don't believe in God.
	They don't believe in beauty.
	So they're nihilistic, reason three.
	Reason four is they can't Yeah.
	incentivize anyone to fight for them.
	If there were to be a civil war, young men lean two to one conservative.
	There is no reason for a young man to fight for the left because the left hates masculinity.
	And so they're incapable of doing that.
	And their value system is fundamentally, it's fundamentally lazy.
	They think standards are bad.
	They think hierarchy is bad.
	They think discipline is bad.
	They think using force is bad.
	It's fundamentally—the modern left has three selection pressures.
	Those are femininity, conformity, and status-seeking.
	Those are not strong traits.
	It's funny that you mention, I'm a big fan, although it might shock my listeners, of June Lapine, who is otherwise known as shoe-on-head, who's a leftist, but who's said the truth about transgenderism, for example, and has just excoriated his persona non grata amongst the left.
	On the right, you can be an isolationist, you can be an interventionist, you can be a libertarian, and you can be part of the tent.
	And here I might gainsay myself, but I'm curious what you have to say.
	Whilst there might be a dearth of intellectuals in the left for the last 40, 50 years, do we have greats amongst the right?
	Do we have big thinkers?
	Or are we having to resort to what was said by von Mises and by, you know, Churchill?
	And do we have to dig back and, you know, revivify them?
	Do you see any big ideas on the conservative side?
	I think we're a fundamentally non-intellectual society.
	I think in 2,000 years and people think of great thinkers the 21st cent, in a hundred years and people think what were the great thinkers the 2010s, they'll really struggle to find any.
	And this is one of my recent videos where I talk about our society's decline in intellectual standards and education.
	And so Jordan Peterson, I think he's a really strong thinker.
	I think Balaji is a strong thinker, but he's more he's libertarian.
	Not right.
	I think there's there's a handful more, but we live in an era of profoundly very few new ideas where.
	The ideas that my father grew up with 40 years ago are fundamentally the same political ideas, and wokeness isn't an idea.
	Wokeness is this vortex, this blob, that thinks, that doesn't actually think, and it's just constantly consuming.
	And so, when I talk to right-wingers, and I'm a big person in right, I talk, I know a lot of people in right-wing world, you're right, they do go back to Mises, they do go back to Burke, and we just live in a profoundly uncreative society.
	Yeah.
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	I've got to ask you the question because I was saddened when I asked you a while ago whether
	you'd come on my show and you said, uh, not quite ready.
	And then I saw you give an interview a couple of weeks ago and I said, oh, something's changed.
	So let me ask you, if I may, a personal question.
	Why is Rudyard Lynch coming out from behind the curtain of What If Alt Hissed?
	I'm a very young guy, and so To be honest, a couple years ago, I just didn't want to make a decision because the way I see the world is you, I, I am probably going to make a mistake in my early twenties.
	And, um, and so I was, I was more cautious back then than I am now, but now I came to the decision that I should just go for this and life is short.
	Um, and I also just think the political climate's changed a lot over the last couple of years, um, where I can't be a coward.
	No one gets canceled anymore.
	And that was a worry I had a couple of years ago.
	And I have grown more mature and more solid in my political beliefs since then.
	I love it.
	I think we have the title for this hour.
	Eric, note it down.
	It is going to be, I Can't Be a Coward.
	I love it.
	Any last words of wisdom?
	You may be young and you are, but you are one of the most sagacious young men I know.
	Any words of wisdom for the young men and maybe women who Listen to my show, listen to your, watch your show on YouTube, who are trying to navigate, I think you're right, I think cancel culture is collapsing around us, but they're still trying to navigate their way.
	They're unsure of what Western civilization, you know, its chances are.
	What advice to give for young people who are finding their identity in today, today's West?
	What I would say is that our society is fundamentally trying to trick you and hurt you, where if you listen to the advice your society gives you, it's fundamentally advice that will hurt you.
	And that's everything from finances, dating, political identity.
	Their best interests are not your best interests.
	And what I would say is you You should develop your own sense of personal agency and also relationship with the divine, because if you can have that rock of both of those, you are capable of being able to weather the really difficult and just crazy times we live in through being able to internalize your own sense of direction.
	He's worried about making mistakes.
	I'm not so sure he should worry that much.
	If anyone at his age, what is it, 21 you are, Rudyard?
	22.
	22.
	If anyone at the age of 22 can give the advice that make sure that you have your own sense of agency over your life and establishing your relationship to the divine.
	That could be Aristotle, could be Plato, or could be a carpenter from the Middle East.
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