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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Murdered American soldiers remain unavenged

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	So, I'm going to go ahead and get my laptop. I'm going to go ahead and get my laptop. I'm
	going to go ahead and get my laptop.
	I'm going to go ahead and get my laptop.
	you And what's the message to Iran?
	Don't.
	It was very important to send a very clear message to anyone who might seek to take advantage of the conflict in Gaza to threaten our personnel here or anywhere else in the region.
	Don't do it.
	What is your message to Hezbollah and its backer, Iran?
	Don't.
	Don't, don't, don't.
	I've already delivered the message to Randy.
	Now I'm not to do anything.
	I've already delivered the message to Iran.
	They know to not do anything.
	Is that why our troops, America's troops, have been attacked more than 165 times in the last three months in the Middle East?
	And why three of our servicemen are dead thanks to an Iranian drone strike and 40 are in hospital?
	That's why?
	This is the cost, the real cost, in terms of human life, of having people who hate America running America.
	It's really that simple.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First.
	We'll be examining all of what that bodes for the next ten months with a former member of the Trump cabinet momentarily.
	But first, let me unburden myself with you, if I may.
	Jeff, I know you've got a Twitter account.
	What do you think of social media?
	I like it for the most part.
	Is it dangerous?
	Sometimes.
	I want to share a story from this morning about What our side gets wrong.
	You know me.
	I'm a former strategist to the president.
	And the art of strategy begins with prioritization.
	You must be able to know what is more important than something else.
	What comes first.
	What actions must occur before other actions.
	What things need protecting over other things.
	Let me demonstrate to you the spirit of the left.
	We don't wish to replicate them because they have no morality.
	They're a godless bunch of evil people.
	But they play politics to win.
	Here we have a man who sadly was a Marine, allegedly.
	And this individual is talking about how they must treat President Trump for the next 10 months.
	James Carville.
	Cut 16.
	I would tell the president and his campaign this, we got your back, dude.
	We're going after him with a meat cleaver, okay?
	You cannot let him up.
	You can't normalize him, you can't let him off the canvas, not for one second.
	And it might not be the most fun thing to do in a campaign, it might not be what I want to be doing when I'm in my 80th year, but it's what's necessary.
	We don't get to do what we want to do, we get to do what we gotta do.
	And that's where we are right now.
	We gotta keep the foot on this guy.
	Right on his neck.
	Take our heel and twist it.
	And never let it go.
	Use a meat cleaver against President Trump.
	Put our boot on his neck and twist the heel.
	What, like Derek Chauvin?
	It's weird how Democrats are allowed to talk about using meat cleavers against their political opponents.
	Anyway, that's just a flavor of the left's seriousness about politics.
	Here's an example from our side.
	I won't mention her name.
	If you're really curious, you can go and find it.
	But this morning, a congresswoman who I like officially decided to nominate President Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize.
	I like this woman.
	And I retweeted her nomination with the following comment.
	Why?
	The Nobel Committee is a garbage woke entity.
	Remember, they gave Obama his Peace Prize for doing nothing.
	Then, as I'm preparing for the show, and for my Newsmax show, this Congresswoman starts texting me at home.
	And she tells me, she responds that I'm being illogical.
	Trump deserves it.
	And I say, no, you're being illogical.
	Either the Nobel Committee is woke, Or it isn't.
	And if you agree with me that it's woke, why would you want to award the president with something from a woke entity?
	And then she texts, I'm working, please don't engage with me now.
	And I called her up and I said, Hey, Claudia, you texted me.
	Okay, Eric.
	Our side has no sense of priority, really.
	We've got 10,000 people crossing the border illegally every day, President Trump facing 730 years in prison, and you want to nominate him for an award from a bunch of clowns?
	Should I have just shut my mouth, Eric?
	I think you're right on the money with that.
	If there's one of many things that President Trump proved, at this point just by existing, just by running for president as he did and getting in the political scene, He exposed how meaningless all of this is, the World Economic Forum, the Nobel Prize.
	I said that!
	I said, would you want to nominate him for a W.E.F.
	award?
	I told her!
	And she's like, oh, Alex, should I just have shut my mouth?
	I mean, I don't see any meaning in it.
	In what?
	Both engagement and the award.
	It's like, but doesn't it tell you that our side just doesn't understand what's at stake right now?
	Jeff, tell me, was I right, was I wrong?
	I need the unvarnished Mr. G opinion.
	Mmm, I might be on her side on this for a little bit.
	Explain.
	Alright, here's the only reason.
	I don't know if she was going with this.
	This is the type of thing that I would do.
	If she wanted to nominate it and then make a big deal about it, about how woke the Nobel Peace Prize is, the fact that Jen make the case that he deserves it because he actually did something that promoted piece but he would never get it because of the
	fact that he's a conservative. If she wanted to do that and she was trying
	to make that a kind of something that would help out win the campaign because
	it is a campaign year I agree with it but I'm not exactly sure that's where she was
	going with it.
	Well it's very official I mean, look, she actually put it on her letter-headed paper and issued an official nomination, so it's not like some, you know, throwaway tweet.
	But my point is this, Jeff.
	Is this really what, even if it's her staffers, is this what we should be spending time on as conservatives ten months before an election?
	Does that make any sense?
	We know they're a bunch of woke clowns.
	Should we be spending a millisecond on this?
	We do.
	People that follow the news every day know that, that are conservatives.
	Your 20 or 30 million people that'll probably end up voting for Trump don't know that.
	That's, if somebody like Matt Gaetz did it and he made a big deal about it and was going to make interviews and keep talking about it over and over again, I think it would bring back to the issue.
	Now, Claudia, I don't think she was getting ready to do that.
	I don't think it's the worst thing in the world.
	Guy, are you on my side or Guy, or on Jeff's side?
	No pressure.
	Yes, sir.
	My thought is we are all running in a circle.
	And right now, that organization is woke.
	But maybe 50 years later, it will align with our side.
	So we are all running in a circle.
	All right.
	I like that.
	A little bit of Asian philosophy there.
	We are all running in a circle.
	Let's run in a straight line towards the enemy with our meat cleavers ready a la Carville.
	What is his name?
	James Carvel.
	How does the left get away with talking about meat cleavers in political context?
	Because they just don't care.
	Because for them, politics is warfare.
	For us, it's about what?
	Nominations for Nobel Peace Prizes?
	All right, let's move on.
	Too much to discuss.
	We will have our first guest in studio momentarily.
	Mayorkas is going to be impeached, it looks like.
	Joy Reid has had her brain hacked yet again.
	Not a difficult thing to do.
	E. Jean Carroll has proven once more that she's absolutely Froot Loops.
	And, um, my reaction to what's happening in the Middle East.
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	I'll use Richard Haass.
	Cut one.
	I'll use Lloyd Austin.
	There's another one.
	And then... What else is good?
	One.
	Two.
	Did I use... I used the montage, right?
	You came in with the montage, yeah.
	Okay.
	Do you know what you want to send the cast here yet?
	Yes.
	The 10, 11, 16.
	10, 9.
	We'll do the text in the next break, alright?
	Can you play me... Cut six.
	I think Biden's doing, I mean, you know, I think he's doing really well.
	I mean, he's engaged.
	He's on fire.
	Now listen, he's not running sprints.
	I mean, again, he's older, and you see it when he walks out there, he's owning that, but he's old there.
	And he's fired up, and he's ready to go.
	He just gets really focused and fired up and he knows what he wants to do and what he wants to do politically is he wants to pummel Donald Trump.
	He wants to destroy extreme MAGA politics.
	Alright, come in with that and then right after that I'm going to do the Joy Reid and then I'll do the Cruz and go to the secretary.
	Come in with six, then you'll tee up Reid.
	Cut.
	That was... which cut was Reid?
	Oh, 18.
	18. All right.
	this I think Biden's doing, I mean, you know, I think he's doing
	really well.
	I mean, he's engaged.
	He's on fire.
	Now listen, he's not running sprints.
	I mean, again, he's older, and you see it when he walks out there.
	He's owning that, but he's all there, and he's fired up, and he's ready to go.
	Just gets really focused and fired up and he knows what he wants to do and what he wants to do politically is he wants to pummel Donald Trump.
	He wants to destroy extreme MAGA politics.
	Our guest in studio was saying, who are they talking about?
	Who's all fired up?
	And I said, it's actually the current incumbent in the White House.
	The only way he's fired up is if he falls into the barbecue pit.
	That is, of course, Joe Scarborough.
	I think the lady doth protest too much because what do they really think about Biden?
	There was an infamous hot mic moment yesterday for Joy Reid, the homophobe who has a very strange Hitler youth haircut.
	I don't think she realized the mic was on as she was talking about Joe Biden.
	Over the weekend, President Biden said he's ready to take action if Congress is serious about solving the border issue.
	If that bill were the law today, I'd shut down the border right now and fix it quickly.
	And Congress needs to get it done.
	That and starting another effing war.
	She spent the rest of the program apologizing, talking about how she tries to have a PG-13 show.
	Yeah, but at least now we know what you think about the person who you pronounce hagiographies of for every evening that you have your show.
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	but so much discuss which is in his wheelhouse former Secretary of Veterans Affairs the man
	who was responsible for all readiness of our troops during his time in the Pentagon prior
	to that Secretary Robert Wilkie welcome in studio. Good to see you. So let's just do
	kind of a 101 strategy.
	The man who, you know, besmirched the naval uniform he once wore after the death of three of our servicemen and women in Jordan had this to say.
	Cut to 10.
	John Kirby.
	Is the president currently actively considering potential attacks inside Iran?
	We are not looking for a war with Iran.
	We are not.
	Seeking a conflict with the regime in a military way.
	And as I said in the opening, we're not looking to escalate here.
	We're not looking for a conflict with Iran.
	How many of our servicemen and women can they kill, Mr. Secretary?
	So, rhetorically, they're already on the back foot and have been since, well, even before October 7th.
	We don't want a war.
	We don't want to escalate.
	Well, in the meantime, they have been appeasing the Ayatollahs.
	Blinken is a master at this.
	He's obsessed with bringing Iran into the brotherhood of nations.
	As a result of that, they have dispatched tens of billions of dollars to the Ayatollahs and allowed them to dispense that to every brigand and terrorist outfit on the planet.
	In the meantime, over 161 attacks.
	And looking at it— On U.S.
	personnel?
	On U.S., just U.S.
	personnel.
	And looking at it from just a tactical perspective.
	You have ceded the operational tempo to the bad guys.
	They decide.
	They decide where they want to hit because they know what you're going to do.
	Even in those six times that they acted and told the Hooties we were coming.
	So move your people out so they don't get hurt.
	Right.
	It's tit for tat.
	It's not even that exalted, because 161 to 6 is not exactly a fair equation.
	So, in the meantime, deterrence is shot.
	The second busiest waterway on the planet is essentially closed off for business.
	The Saudis, the Jordanians, the people who look to the United States for leadership, don't know which end is up.
	And let's just be clear here, Jordan, after Israel, is perhaps our closest ally in the region.
	Absolutely, it has been.
	And the idea that this murder of Americans is occurring on Jordanian soil, that's... We have to pay attention.
	We do have to pay attention, and Jordan's always shaky.
	I mean, the majority of Jordanians are Palestinians.
	600,000 refugees.
	And they've been there since 67.
	At one time, the King's Arab Legion under the current king's father kicked the PLO out.
	It's interesting.
	PLO has been kicked out of every place on the planet.
	The Egyptians got rid of them.
	The Jordanians got rid of them.
	The Lebanese, when they had a functioning state, got rid of them.
	The Tunisians got rid of them.
	Now their progeny is the Palestinian Authority in Hamas.
	But we are at a point now—and I've used this story before, when the hostages were
	taken.
	I was at a junior varsity football game, and I've told you this before, I heard history professors, teachers, in front of me talking, and one said, after the hostages were taken, under Jimmy Carter, anybody who wants us can have us.
	And that's exactly what's going on.
	This is what we're returning to.
	We are returning to it with a vengeance.
	And let's be clear, this isn't just the administration, it's their coterie, it's their fellow travelers.
	This is Richard Haas, who I think until recently was the head of the Council on Foreign Relations.
	This is him actually trying to explain away the murder committed by the Iranians against U.S.
	service members.
	Khatwan, MSNBC, Dick Haas.
	We're thinking of the idea of a response as a single action.
	What it really is, is going to be a sustained set of actions.
	Could be in different places, could be a different source.
	I thought it could be a week or more.
	And they'll be messaging with Iran.
	Again, what to me is so interesting is that the drone strike that had this tragic effect was not fundamentally new or different.
	And so it'll be really interesting that the Iranians, who probably didn't count on this result, So a suicide, explosive-laden drone on Jordanian territory targeting a U.S.
	base is not what the Iranians were planning, apparently.
	It's not fundamentally different.
	That only can come from someone who's never put a uniform on.
	But it's shameful.
	I mean, it's being a propagandist for our enemies.
	Right, exactly.
	And that's what we're experiencing with this administration.
	It has been, since day one, determined to cut a deal with the mullahs, who view it as weakness.
	You know, if this were Donald Trump or Ronald Reagan or, let's say, Truman or Roosevelt or Eisenhower, what would have happened is that first thing, that Iranian spy ship Former Russian trawler would have been at the bottom of the Red Sea.
	And then every other Iranian vessel in the Red Sea and the Persian Gulf would have been gone.
	And also key leaders as it was under Trump would have been assassinated.
	That's right.
	The missiles would be going through the windows.
	We're going to continue.
	We're talking to the former Secretary of Veterans Affairs and Trump Administration, Secretary Robert Wilkie.
	He is our senior expert at Newsmax, also with the America First Policy Institute.
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	We'll be back with the Secretary after these messages.
	Thanks for watching.
	It was very important to send a very clear message to anyone who might seek to take advantage of the conflict in Gaza to threaten our personnel here or anywhere else in the region.
	Don't do it.
	What is your message to Hezbollah and its backer, Iran?
	Don't.
	Don't, don't, don't.
	I've already delivered the message to Rand.
	And they know I'm not telling anything.
	I'm not telling anything.
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	The Avengers.
	Who was Emma Peel before Diana Rigg?
	Yes, and before that, Mission Impossible.
	And, but do you, I'll give you a trivia question.
	Who was Emma Peel before Diana Rigg, actually her name was Kathy Gale.
	Oh, that was Pussy Galore.
	Yes.
	What's her name?
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	He knows his cultural trivia.
	The champion of the gherkas.
	Yes, absolutely.
	Stood up for the Gurkhas when the Brits kind of left them out to dry.
	Right, we have to get you back for a longer discussion.
	Let's get the Secretary back for an hour next time.
	We've got a few minutes left.
	This is just... Alright, this is October.
	Sorry, September of last year.
	This is allegedly the man who bears the title of National Security Advisor of the United States talking about the Middle East.
	Cut 12.
	The war in Yemen is in.
	It's 19 months of truce.
	For now, the Iranian attacks against U.S.
	forces have stopped.
	Our presence in Iraq is stable.
	I emphasize for now, because all of that can change.
	And the Middle East region is quieter today than it has been in two decades.
	Now, Tony Blinken, who lately looks like he's in a hostage video when he speaks, had this to say about the same region.
	Cut 13.
	Very important to note that this is An incredibly volatile time in the Middle East.
	I would argue that we've not seen a situation as dangerous as the one we're facing now across the region since at least 1973 and arguably even before that.
	I'm confused, Mr. Secretary.
	Is it the most peaceful it's been for 20 years, or the most dangerous it has been for more than 50 years?
	Well, they're incoherent.
	The difference between now and 1973 is when the Soviet-backed regimes, particularly in Syria, but also to some extent in Egypt, although Sadat was pushing them out, And that was the beginning of a great change in the political landscape in the Middle East.
	Israelis. He mobilized the fleet and told Brezhnev, keep out. And that was the beginning of a great change in the
	political landscape in the Middle East. Probably if you go back, probably Joe Biden opposed
	the dispatch of the Sixth Fleet as he opposed President Ford's attempt to
	destroy the North Vietnamese army when it was out in the open after it
	violated the Paris Peace Accords. But no, this is the the most chaotic
	it's ever been. It's because this president began his administration, one,
	by giving the Ayatollahs everything they wanted.
	Two, by disgracing, and that's not hyperbole, disgracing this nation, losing 13 brave young people, and pulling out of Afghanistan.
	And then, after the horrific attacks on October 7th, we know He's been pressuring the Israelis to hold back.
	Right.
	At the same time that our people are killed.
	We only have a few seconds left, but I don't want to paint the devil on the wall, but if Iranian murderers aren't made to bleed and die soon, we will see more attacks.
	Oh, you've just hit it.
	Every day that an attack goes without response weakens deterrence.
	And don't count on this administration to do anything more than a glorified version of what they've been doing.
	Just sending missiles, just like Clinton, just like Obama, into the desert when nobody's around.
	I know you're incredibly busy.
	I know Newsmax relies on you, as does President Trump.
	Can we get you back for an hour, maybe sometime?
	Oh, absolutely.
	Anytime.
	All right.
	God bless.
	Senior National Security Analyst for Newsmax, also with the America First Policy Institute, our good friend, Secretary Robert Wilkie, the Right Honorable.
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	Gorka, former strategist to President Donald J. Trump.
	What is the lifeblood of America?
	It's the people who build America.
	It's the people who actually make things for a living.
	It's actually the Majority of the economy, which isn't Walmart, which isn't Amazon, it's these small to medium-sized businesses.
	They're the real lifeblood of the nation.
	And if you don't pay attention to what's happening on Capitol Hill...
	Well, they can get hurt very, very badly.
	To explain the latest devious ploy from those who have the big lobbyists and who can get what they want done on Capitol Hill, we have with us next the Executive Chairman for the Electronic Payment Coalition, Mr. Richard Hunt.
	Mr. Hunt, welcome to America First!
	Hey, Dr. G, thank you.
	Great to be on your show.
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	All right, Mr. Hunt, tell us, what is the Durbin-Marshall credit card bill?
	Yeah, Dr. G, it's a bill that's going to cause a lot of pain on the American consumer.
	This is an attempt by those two senators, politicians in Washington, trying to tell small businesses how to operate the credit card system in this country.
	They tried to do this in 2010, and it didn't work on the debit card, so now they're trying to do it to the credit card.
	And what this will do, in fact, a lot of pain on consumers.
	Look, we all rely on our credit card.
	We rely on it for access to credit for safety and convenience and for security and For millions of Americans, they want to get their reward points as well.
	So we have no doubt the unintended consequences of this bill would eliminate the millions of points your listeners receive on a daily basis.
	I know you use your credit card several times a day.
	It is so convenient to use.
	Fifteen million people just last year used their miles to travel across the country via airlines.
	So think about it also how many people use it for hotels and rent-a-cars as well.
	This is just a big buyout, a big assistance for Target and Walmart and Home Depot.
	2012 they tried to do this on the debit card.
	Home Depot at least they told the truth.
	They said, Dr. G, we're going to keep the money.
	We're not going to give the savings back to the consumer, to the tune of some $30 million.
	So Marshall and Durbin are back again.
	Look, the credit card is the lifeblood of America.
	As you just mentioned, it is something we use on an everyday basis, and they want to disrupt that just so Target and Walmart can save a few dollars.
	So explain what the bill proposes.
	Is it aggregating points away from small businesses or doing away with them?
	What's the gist of it and how will small business users and just customers suffer?
	So the way we process credit cards right now, Visa and MasterCard have invented, originated a rail system that provides safe and secure methods for your payment to transact.
	So when you go and swipe your card, you've got about 100% confidence rating that that transaction will go through.
	And the merchant, the business person also knows they're going to instantaneous payment.
	What Roger Marshall and Dick Durbin want to do is mandate That companies that do not exist will now be able to use their own rail system to transact that Visa and MasterCard processing.
	So here we're going to go find companies that do not have the capability, do not have the tons of money to produce this, all because it would supposedly lower interchange rates for the merchant to choose.
	So the merchant, Home Depot, Walmart, will probably choose the lowest cost vendor That vendor will not have nearly the security rewards points to help us out and will hurt our safety and security.
	So it's Washington, D.C.
	politicians who think they know best for the American consumer.
	I did not work in 2010.
	The Congressional Research Service just came out and said there'll be no savings.
	And the Federal Reserve Board of Richmond said there were no savings passed along.
	Anytime Washington says we know how to run small businesses, Dr. G, run for the hills.
	Yeah, and of course it's beneficial to the big boys and detrimental to the real businesses that drive America.
	All right, I have a personal question because since I worked for the Defense Department, I bank with a credit union.
	How does this affect those who are with credit unions and not the big banks?
	Yeah, look, there's some 4,000 credit unions and 4,000 community banks.
	They're all, in all 50 states, are doing grassroots to oppose this bill.
	Now, look, Roger Marshall got really creative and said, we're going to exempt those banks under a certain amount.
	Don't buy it.
	The Community America's Credit Union, led by Jim Nussel, does not buy it.
	He's one of our fiercest advocates on Capitol Hill opposing this bill.
	It was a cute ploy to buy them off, but it did not work.
	Every bank Would be affected just like they were in 2010 under the debit card bill as well.
	Alright guys, if your credit card, your debit card is important to you, if rewards are important to you, if you hate the big companies, the Walmarts, the Amazons and so forth, please listen to this man's warning and go to handsoffmyrewards.com.
	It's very simple, handsoffmyrewards.com.
	We need to get that Congressman on the show as well.
	In the meantime, we've been talking to the Executive Chairman for the Electronics Payment Coalition, Richard Hunt.
	Thank you for joining us.
	Everybody, look, he just said it.
	I mean, I was going to say, how do you know how many times I use my credit card?
	Of course he's right.
	Everybody uses their credit card multiple times a day.
	If you do too, go right now.
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	you You're listening to Dr. Sebastian Gorka, a man who's taken down Eastern European governments with just the sound of his voice.
	And some good TV theme tunes.
	Keep playing it.
	Nice and loud.
	Alright.
	If you know which TV show that was the theme tune for, you have exemplary taste.
	Okay, we... where did that hour go?
	That's absolutely crazy.
	We'll be with Lord Black momentarily.
	An old friend will be joining us, a blast from the past as well.
	And a very, very astute, conservative strategist.
	Who goes into the lion's den on CNN with regularity as a black Republican.
	You don't want to miss the third hour here on America First.
	But, until then, let's talk about two female politicians who really, maybe allegedly from different parties, but they're rather connected.
	First, it's hard to hear, but I'll translate for you.
	Nancy Pelosi.
	I think, Eric, she was leaving her home, right?
	This was outside her place in San Francisco?
	That's what it looks like.
	San Francisco, right?
	Yes, that's her house.
	Okay, so some of her fellow Democrats were demanding a ceasefire in Israel and she wasn't happy and got quite racist.
	Cut 14.
	Both of your constituents want a cited.
	Stop the genocide.
	Stop the holocaust.
	The Democrats want a ceasefire.
	So the protesters, as she's getting into her armored limo, say the Democrats want a ceasefire.
	And she says, go back to China to your headquarters.
	Eric, isn't that racist?
	I actually kind of like that she told them to go away.
	Like, I guess the broken clock is right twice a day, right?
	But Democrats who want a ceasefire work for the Chinese?
	I'm confused.
	I'm confused.
	I don't know.
	All right, let's go to another left-wing politician, Nikki Haley, who was on my colleague Hugh Hewitt's show.
	Not making a lot of sense.
	Cut 17.
	Well, first of all, I think that, you know, there will be a woman president in America.
	It's either going to be me or it's going to be Kamala Harris.
	And I don't want a Kamala Harris for president.
	So the first thing we have to understand is, Trump cannot beat Biden in an election.
	That's a fact.
	We know that.
	Look at Iowa.
	Look at New Hampshire.
	He doesn't win independents.
	No one can win a general election if you don't have independents.
	He doesn't win suburban women.
	He has lost some Republicans who don't like his style.
	Not only that, 75% of Americans say they don't want a rematch between Biden and Trump.
	The majority of Americans disprove of Trump and disprove of Biden.
	Both of these men put us trillions of dollars in debt that our kids are never going to forgive us for.
	And are we really going to say that our only choice is to have two guys in their 80s?
	We can do better than that.
	You look at all those general election polls, he does not beat Biden.
	You look at those same general election polls I'm in, I defeat Biden by up to 17 points.
	What, in the polls that you wrote in crayon?
	How about this crazy idea?
	How about the American people choose their nominee, not the elite?
	What do you mean we can do better?
	It's not up to you, you fake conservative.
	This is America First.
	stay on this channel.
	Bye.
	continues the momentum he just got in Iowa and let's say he becomes the nominee and let's say that he wins a big
	election and we pick up the Senate and we expand our margin in the House.
	The question then is, are you prepared for the next two years to take on the left, which is going to go crazy?
	I mean, they will see this as Armageddon.
	In their world, this will be literally life and death.
	And they will do anything they have to to try to stop a new Trump administration.
	They don't want to make America great again.
	That's the exact opposite of where the left's head is.
	They want to drown America with illegal immigrants.
	They want to shrink America inside international organizations.
	They want to eliminate American history.
	and they want to raise a generation that despises its own country.
	Thank you.
	you you
	you I think I think the border is a very important issue for
	Donald Trump and And the fact that he would communicate to Republican senators and congresspeople that he doesn't want us to solve the border problem because he wants to blame Biden for it is really appalling.
	But the reality is that that we have a crisis at the border, the American people
	are suffering as a result of what's happening at the border, and someone running for president
	ought to try and get the problem solved as opposed to saying, hey, save that problem, don't
	solve it, let me take credit for solving it later.
	So I think that's a really good point.
	Thank you.
	Not yet.
	I'm going to order it from Amazon soon.
	We're sending it to you.
	You don't have to order anything.
	It's on its way.
	Oh, and I need a mailing address for you because Katie's new book has arrived back from the printers in review copies.
	I wanted to send you a copy.
	I'll email it to you later.
	Perfect.
	All right.
	We're going to have some fun.
	So much to discuss.
	Let's discuss the border deal first and then the events in the Middle East.
	You saw the piece I wrote.
	Yes, I have it in front of me.
	It just doesn't say where it was published.
	Was it in the Sun or the Epoch?
	In New York Sun.
	The Sun.
	Okay, good.
	All right.
	We will mention it.
	Okay.
	All right, 30 seconds.
	Come in with Romney.
	Come in with Romney, yes.
	Oh God, must we?
	Just for old times sake.
	What's that?
	Hmm?
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	I think the border is a very important issue for Donald Trump.
	And the fact that he would communicate to Republican senators and congresspeople that he doesn't want us to solve the border problem because he wants to blame Biden for it is really appalling.
	But the reality is that That we have a crisis at the border, the American people are suffering as a result of what's happening at the border, and someone running for president ought to try and get the problem solved, as opposed to saying, hey, save that problem, don't solve it, let me take credit for solving it later.
	Oh, and now we know.
	What a relief.
	It's President Trump's fault.
	Eight million illegals that we know of.
	Up to 12,000 a day.
	Cities being destroyed by the influx.
	And it's the former president's fault, not the current incumbent and his Department of Homeland Security.
	I think that is the definition of gaslighting from the disgrace that is Mitt Romney.
	We will discuss that and the latest events in the Middle East with the author of the latest work, a true masterpiece, the political and strategic history of the world.
	Volume 1, From Antiquity to the Caesars, 14 Anno Domini.
	Lord Conrad Black, welcome back to America First.
	Thank you, thank you very much.
	And thank you for using Anno Domini on the cover of your book.
	None of that BCE and CE garbage.
	That's absolutely rubbish.
	And thank you for introducing me in such sepulchral tones.
	You sounded like, I don't know, the clerk of the Roman Senate or something.
	Well, thank you.
	Five years of radio.
	I think I'm getting there finally.
	Not so much of a neophyte.
	Five years.
	January 1st is our anniversary.
	Lord Black.
	Are you familiar with the 1944 movie with Ingrid Bergman that she made?
	The next big movie after Casablanca called Gaslight.
	Are you familiar with that film?
	Vaguely, yeah.
	I remember it.
	I have seen it, yes.
	So, I didn't know the term gaslighting.
	In modern usage, until recently.
	And then I thought, OK, what's the etymology of it?
	And I decided, OK, I'm going to watch the movie from whence the phrase comes from.
	And it's this black and white film, very spooky film, about an evil man who marries an orphan and tries to convince her that she's going insane so he can steal her inheritance.
	It is the attempt to convince the other that their own faculties aren't functioning and they have to question their own sanity.
	And that is exactly what is happening with the border crisis right now.
	Whether it is a rhino like Mitt Romney or whether it is the whole institution of the left, including the mainstream media, who are well exemplified by the likes of Joe Scarborough, who
	says it is the Republicans who are to blame for the crisis at the border.
	Cut five.
	You've got these clowns going up there saying he's traitorous.
	You've got Hugh Hewitt, who was for it, but now he's against it.
	J.V.
	Last wrote an article about this.
	He was for it, but now he's against it, because Donald Trump's against it.
	Newt Gingrich goes on Fox News last night and says, this is the worst thing that's ever, ever, ever, ever happened.
	It's the dumbest, stupidest, this, that, the other.
	All because Donald Trump one day, they all liked the bill, and then Donald Trump said, Don't pass a bill that might hurt me politically.
	A bill which by the way would permit 5,000 illegal immigrants to be let into the nation by the current administration.
	Lord Black, what is the political significance three plus years into this administration that suddenly we're told there is a crisis by the establishment and suddenly it's not the fault of those running the country but an ex-president and the Republicans who aren't in control of the executive?
	The significance is the desperation of the administration that has finally discovered, just from looking at the relentless polls, that their policy, which every sane person warned them was the case from the outset, is a disaster.
	And the attempt to dump this on Trump is just preposterous.
	I mean, the fact is, the Republican leader in the Senate, McConnell, the absolute apogee
	of the Never Trumpers, of the RINOs, in fact, which seems a strange thing to say for a Republican
	officeholder, but it threw in with the White House and the Senate leader, Schumer, and
	tried to prevail upon his colleagues in the Congressional Republican Party in both houses
	to support this preemptively.
	And the Speaker of the House, Johnson, said absolutely not when among a few aspects of
	the proposed settlement were revealed, including the one you just mentioned.
	Up to 5,000 illegal aliens a day, just let them keep coming.
	This is five times as many as Obama's Homeland Security Secretary said caused a crisis, and they have no way of calculating the exact number.
	So even at that level, it's 1.825 million of these people pouring across the border each year, and this is supposed to be a settlement.
	It's just suicide at a slightly reduced rate of speed to what we're on now.
	And Trump didn't kill the bill.
	The Republicans said, we're not having it.
	The official Republican position is to close the border and have all legal immigration,
	ample legal immigration, but all legal.
	And all of a sudden, the congressional leadership in the Senate, the Senate leadership, defected
	from that position.
	And when the whole thing blew up in McConnell's face and the speaker told him to take a hike,
	the Republican speaker, Johnson, the default page for all of them, from Joe Biden, when
	he can make himself understandable, to Joe Scarborough, who even though his diction is
	clear is never very understandable either, was to blame it on Trump.
	You know, if they stub their toe, it's Trump's fault.
	If it's raining outside, it's Trump's fault.
	Well, our ludicrous attempt at putting across a solution that merely aggravates the problem but at a lower rate of speed, Uh, blows up in our faces.
	That's Trump's problem.
	Well, it won't fly.
	I mean, unless the American people have suddenly transformed themselves into a nation of outright idiots, no one is going to believe this nonsense.
	But what of the fact that a senator who doesn't have, you know, quite the obvious rhino credentials of a Romney or a McConnell, Senator Lankford, who's being censured by his own Republicans in Oklahoma, is prepared to put his name to such a bill that would... I'm shocked.
	I don't know much of him, but every time prior to this that I've seen him on television, I've been rather impressed with him.
	He's articulate and, as far as I knew, sensible.
	But he's... You know, obviously, I don't know what happened, but I guess McConnell sold it to him on the basis of some career enhancement for himself.
	Maybe he moves up within the Senate leadership or something.
	But it's mad.
	I mean, he's on a suicide mission.
	So, is there any way, given this absolute reversal, That the establishment, the Democrats, the administration can, like Pontius Pilate, wash their hands of this issue in any meaningful way that anybody will believe in the next ten months?
	No.
	They can't do that.
	They can come up with a serious reform proposal and take credit for it and try and live down the fact that The last three years have been a catastrophe in that area, as in some other policy areas.
	That they could do.
	If they suddenly produced a serious proposal that was a genuine solution, I think everyone would say, well, you know, that's good, let's support it.
	And then they could try and fight their way out of the corner they boxed themselves into
	with three years of simply an open border with masses of people from all over the world
	pouring in, like the fifth century in the Western Roman Empire, where masses of people
	just flooded in, not arriving as immigrants did under the Statue of Liberty pledged to
	become Americans and embrace the American system and learn the English language, but
	just people who would rather live in what happens to be the United States and where
	they are, but don't give a damn about the United States and the jurisdiction.
	You know, I think anyone who actually, if the administration and its allies in the Congress produced a serious proposal to solve the problem, it would pass and they'd get some credit for it, and they deserve some.
	But this rinky-dink operation of a phony solution that is no solution, supported and fronted by Republicans who are anti-Trump, Uh, and then when it blows up, which it was bound to do since they had no chance of passing it, dumping it on Trump and claiming that he is sabotaging
	It is the definition of gaslighting.
	solution. He who built the wall and then had eliminated illegal immigration, that
	he's the problem. Look, shrimps don't fly, pigs don't sing, and rocks don't fall
	upwards. It is the definition of gaslighting. His latest piece is in the
	New York Sun. The book, The Political and Strategic History of the World, Volume 1,
	is a must-read.
	His website, ConradMBlack.com.
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	...magnitude in such a short space of time.
	Neither can I. Because you can try to tweak things, you can try to, you know, over time repackage, but to go from saying there is no problem to saying it's a crisis and it's Trump's fault in a matter of a week is shocking.
	And, you know, I'll be interested to see the polls in the next week.
	I mean, I can't believe that I mean, leaving partisanship out of it, I just can't believe that the average reasonably informed American will buy any of it.
	I mean, I understand a partisan Democrat who, for his own reasons, wants the Democrats re-elected.
	That's fair enough.
	I can see they could purport to think this is a good idea, just for partisan reasons.
	Nothing wrong with that.
	You know, uncommitted, reasonable people observing the scene and conscientiously wondering about how they're going to vote on election day and weighing the alternatives and so on.
	That they could be, you know, hornswoggled into believing any of this.
	I'd just be astounded.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Fascinating to watch.
	Fascinating to watch all the furious backpedaling.
	No, look, I think the whole thing is falling apart.
	I mean, look at this fiasco with the district attorney in Colton County, Georgia.
	I mean, it's hilarious in a way.
	But I see Cori Bush is now being... Look, we have the presumption of innocence, and you keep it in place, certainly.
	But I see she's being investigated now criminally for siphoning taxpayers' funds off to her husband.
	Yes.
	No, as I say, you know, that doesn't mean she's guilty, but the fact that there's evidence of it indicates, well, it doesn't, just indicates there's evidence of it, that's all.
	Well, she didn't look very comfortable today when she was giving her impromptu press statement on the steps of Congress.
	She looked rather flustered.
	Yeah, and that's her specialty, isn't it?
	To stand out in the steps of the Capitol and to claim like Lincoln on his second inauguration or something.
	But yeah, she was a little less peppy, didn't she?
	Yeah.
	All right, so let's come in with John Kirby.
	Eric, then I'll... Oh God, you're testing my stomach.
	I know, I know.
	I think he's a good man, I just think he's hopeless.
	I think he's an honest, decent man.
	I mean, you know that he is just winging it when you see his lips move, but he hasn't a clue.
	No, no.
	I'd come in with Kirby, I'll do the cruise, and then I'll go to Conrad.
	And then, what was the other thing I wanted to discuss?
	We'll talk about Iran.
	Uh, maybe if we have time.
	Maybe if we have time.
	Alright.
	Forty seconds, stand by.
	So it's Iran this segment?
	Uh, Iran for the beginning, yes.
	Okay.
	Yep.
	Oh, it's got ten.
	Uh-huh So
	So So
	So Um
	So So
	Is the President currently actively considering potential attacks inside Iran?
	We are not looking for a war with Iran.
	We are not seeking a conflict with the regime in a military way.
	And as I said in the opening, we're not looking to escalate here.
	Well, that's very strange, because they are looking to escalate.
	They just did.
	More than 160 attacks on US troops in the region since October 7th, and now three of our service members murdered by a drone attack.
	As a certain communist once said, you may not be interested in war, but war is most definitely interested in you.
	That is Kirby, Kabul Kirby, as he is known by many.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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	Lord Black, we talked about the gaslighting on the question of the border and how it may provide a political opportunity or be of a benefit to those who wish to have national sovereignty once again prior to the election.
	What of the recent events in the Middle East?
	We have statement after statement that I warned Iran, I warned Iran, I told them not to take any action from the lips of the president.
	Now three service members were killed in Jordan of all places.
	If a swift response is not taken in an obvious fashion, will this also, will this lead to a political cost being paid by the current administration?
	The current administration, yes, I believe so.
	For a moment I thought you said the Carter administration.
	The parallels, the parallels.
	I see your point.
	By the way, what scares the hell out of me about Kirby is that he's apparently an admiral.
	Correct.
	He's a quartermaster admiral or something like that.
	But look, I don't want to be disparaging.
	He may have been a fine officer, but he's He's got a difficult job to do, and he's not making a terrific job of it.
	But look, you have this situation where they say, we will not escalate.
	On the other hand, we will retaliate at the time and place of our choosing.
	Well, if you're going to retaliate, and it isn't going to be an escalation, it isn't going to be much of a retaliation.
	Right.
	Insights further outrages.
	And as we all know, and there's absolutely immense historical precedent to show this, if you appease an adversary who is provoking you, he will just escalate the provocations.
	So if you're ultimately not going to be able to put up with it, the sooner you stop him, the better.
	And the military imbalance between the United States and Iran is on the power of a hundred or a thousand to one.
	I mean, there are an endless number of means available to the United States military power to deal a severe lesson to Iran without a great deal of violence and collateral damage, without, as I say, killing or hurting a lot of civilians, without giving Iran any just cause to Do anything other than rethink its policy of insolent provocation.
	They're all manner of policy options.
	And I am sure that the general staff of the armed forces has produced a great many of them.
	So I and I think it's quite in order that they're waiting a couple of days.
	But to say we will retaliate.
	They will pay for this.
	We will teach them.
	But we're not escalating, and we don't want a wider war.
	It's like saying yes and no at the same time.
	They're trying to suck and blow at the same time.
	It's just talking.
	That's why these provocations keep happening.
	And Lloyd Austin returned to work yesterday.
	He was seen at a meeting, and he is a shadow of his former self, reading from notes in front of him.
	This is what he said about Iran.
	Cut for the current Secretary of Defense.
	My outrage and sorrow for the death of three brave U.S.
	troops in Jordan and for the other troops who were wounded.
	The President and I will not tolerate attack on U.S.
	forces.
	And we will take all necessary actions to defend the U.S.
	and our troops.
	Well, you have tolerated them 161 times since October 7th.
	The best defense is to wipe out the offense that is invoking your defense.
	We had a cut from Newt Gingrich that I didn't get to yesterday.
	I'd like to share it with you and get your reaction on what we can expect in the next 10 months.
	This is the former Speaker of the House.
	Play cut.
	Let's say that Trump continues the momentum he just got in Iowa, and let's say he becomes the nominee, and let's say that he wins a big election, and we pick up the Senate and we expand our margin in the House.
	The question then is, are you prepared for the next two years to take on the left, which is going to go crazy?
	I mean, they will see this as Armageddon.
	In their world, this will be literally life and death.
	And they will do anything they have to to try to stop a new Trump administration.
	They don't want to make America great again.
	That's the exact opposite of where the left's head is.
	They want to drown America with illegal immigrants.
	They want to shrink America inside international organizations.
	They want to eliminate American history.
	And they want to raise a generation that despises its own country.
	Conrad, what do you think of Newt's estimate of the situation?
	I agree with every word he said.
	Every now and then, Newt, in my judgment, gets a little carried away.
	I remember when Peggy Noonan, when Newt was a candidate for the Republican nomination back in, I think, 2012, wrote, he's a human grenade with the pin pulled.
	It was a hilarious cartoon with that.
	And sometimes he is.
	But on that occasion, I thought that was an excellent summary.
	I thought it was very concise and completely accurate.
	Yeah.
	I would have been honored to say the same thing myself.
	What will they stoop to?
	Well, we have 10 months to find out.
	They'll do everything.
	On the other hand, You're closer to the scene, obviously, now.
	Tell me if you think I'm talking through my hat here.
	But I get the impression that the Trump haters, who were doing a dance of celebration for years after the last election, particularly after January 6th of 21, are now not only panicky, but demoralized.
	I'm not sure they have the same reservoir of energy, of hateful energy, to be as obstructive
	as they were in Trump's first term.
	Now am I dreaming?
	I think, no, I think you're right with regards to the Trump haters on the right.
	They're never Trumpers like the Lincoln Project who are now largely irrelevant.
	But the hatred of Trump on the left?
	I think that knows no bounds, but we shall see.
	The latest book, you must order it right now, is The Political and Strategic History of the World, Volume 1, by our regular guest, Conrad Black.
	The website?
	ConradMBlack.com.
	Thank you, Lord Black.
	Next up, your calls here on America First.
	They become irrelevant.
	And No, but when you say, on the right, who are we talking about?
	Well, the Bill Crystals, the National Review haters.
	Yeah, I mean the former right.
	I think those guys have just walked into the wilderness.
	No one listens to them anymore.
	Yes, correct, correct.
	But the hatred of President Trump on the left, I think that's as strong as ever.
	Oh, it is.
	But isn't it that desperate frantic hatred of the cornered party, the outnumbered party?
	They'll fight to the death, but they know they're going to die.
	I don't know.
	I think they might just be, you know, marshalling their forces.
	What about these?
	Are we on the air now?
	We can be off.
	I killed the mic.
	you you
	you title for Lord Black.
	Um...
	It's about gaslighting in the border, or... The Ultimate Act of Gaslighting.
	Alright, we've played a lot of cuts.
	What have we not played?
	We haven't played seven.
	2 is interesting because that's the reason why I played it.
	No, yes, of course it's not.
	I've already delivered the message to Randy.
	They know I'm not going to do anything.
	Can you continue bombing the Houthis if the attacks don't stop, sir?
	Say that again?
	Can you continue bombing the Houthis if the attacks don't stop?
	Will you continue with the strike, sir?
	We will make sure that we respond to the Houthis if they continue this outrageous behavior, along with our allies.
	That's the President of the United States.
	That's incredible.
	Absolutely incredible.
	More Americans are going to die.
	It is really that simple because he's the president.
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	Cut to.
	And Bibi Netanyahu is not Joe Biden's friend.
	And Joe Biden knows that.
	And politically, he's certainly not his friend.
	And the groups that I think the president needs to worry about are young voters across the country and Arab American voters in Michigan.
	Yeah, Michigan, a state he needs to win, a state where Arab American voters are a big and influential voting bloc, and they are not happy with President Biden right now.
	What do you think of that, Jeff?
	Is that a big deal, the Arab voters?
	Is Robinson on to something?
	Well, how about the fact that that's even in consideration?
	I'm sure it is, because you know there's all the talking points on the inside of it, but we can't respond at all because it might mess up a Michigan vote, a little block, a sub-block of it.
	I mean, it's incredible that he would even say that.
	It is incredible.
	But we have the proof, don't we?
	It's another cut we didn't get to yesterday.
	Eric, do we have the... I don't think we've played... Did we play the Ilhan Omar cut of her waxing lyrical speaking in Somali?
	We have not played it yet.
	All right, so start playing it and you can pot it down, you know, pretty quickly and I'll just read the subtitles of what she's saying because you need to hear this.
	This is an alleged American.
	We know the issues with her naturalization ceremony and who she married, but she's a member of the US Congress and listen to what she says about another country.
	Play it.
	My answer to Somalians was that the U.S.
	government will only do what Somalians in the U.S.
	tell them to do.
	They will do what we want and nothing else.
	They must follow our orders.
	We Somalians must have that confidence.
	We live in the U.S.
	We pay taxes and we have a voice.
	The U.S.
	is a country where one of your daughters is in Congress.
	For as long as I am there, Somalia will never be in danger.
	Its land will not be stolen by Ethiopia.
	The U.S.
	would not dare to support anyone else.
	Sleep in comfort knowing that I am here to protect the interests of Somalia, From inside the US system?
	Excuse me?
	What?
	You are inside Congress?
	To realize the interests of another country?
	Well, that's not exactly treason, because Somalia isn't technically an enemy of the United States that we are at war at.
	It's against your oath of office because you swore an oath of office as I did on more than one occasion to serve the interests of America and the U.S.
	Constitution.
	It's very easy to conclude what after that?
	The enemy is inside the wire.
	If we have people with security clearances on foreign affairs committees saying that they are there to do the bidding and serve the interests of another country and it's not America, a country that is a hive of terrorism Yeah.
	There you have it.
	There's your proof.
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	But we found her.
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	Stephanie Hamill.
	It's been a minute.
	It has.
	It's so great to see you.
	I miss our segments that we used to do together back in the good old days.
	The good old days before Biden.
	All right.
	Well, it's good to have you back.
	We're testing you out to see if you're as good as you used to be.
	You were very annoyed that I didn't get in touch with you earlier.
	But hey, it's crazy, right?
	It's Biden's America.
	We've got to fix it.
	Your beat is news, it's politics.
	Everybody needs to follow you right now.
	It's Steph M. Hamill.
	Steph, she has to do things differently.
	Steph, with a PH, M. Hamill.
	But I want to do a kind of...
	Cross pollination now.
	I want to get you to do your political analysis in the culture domain, in the media domain, because I can't get over this clip.
	We played this clip yesterday.
	I kind of ranted about it.
	I don't know if I posted the rant, but there's this show called, what is it, Law and Order, Eric?
	Is that right?
	Right, like Law and Order Special Victims Unit, which is about sexual crimes.
	And they actually did this in their newest episode.
	So the story is about a young white woman who's raped by a young black man.
	And the message, if you thought woke isn't real, sit down and listen to this clip.
	Play clip, Eric.
	But Natalie, Jay Watson raped you.
	Do you think I forgot?
	How could I?
	This entire trial has been an exercise in reminding me.
	And this is your chance to do something about it.
	I am going to.
	Believe me.
	Because I can.
	I can afford therapy.
	I have that luxury.
	And maybe, one day, I'll be okay.
	But if that teenager goes to prison, It may not be.
	Ever.
	I don't want that.
	So can you be my sanity check, please, Steph?
	So we're having mainstream fictional TV programs go so insane on identity politics that if you're white and if you've got money and you're raped by a black man, they shouldn't be prosecuted because, uh, reasons.
	Can you help me out and understand that?
	Because, uh, systemic racism, of course.
	I mean, Unfortunately, I hate to share this with the audience who probably aren't tuning into these shows, but this clip that you just played isn't an anomaly.
	It is the norm.
	This is the garbage and propaganda that they are pushing on television every single night
	to unsuspecting people who are just sitting there like drones watching this,
	consuming this type of propaganda little by little and not even realizing it.
	So yeah, I mean, it is totally preposterous and astounding that they are promoting an agenda in the show
	and it's clear here, the victim in this case, the scene was there was a smash and grab
	and then the young black man went and raped a woman who was in a dressing room in a bathing suit.
	And apparently in the storyline, she actually saw his face, but because she was worried about him being oppressed
	by the system, she decided to not come forward and then they ended up just slapping him on the wrist.
	Now, if you actually think about it, there have been a few cases of this
	in the news in the past few years.
	I don't know if you remember there was like a story out of Brooklyn There was a social justice warrior Black Lives Matter supporter She was a white woman and she was actually killed by a black man and like the family was you know They actually didn't really want to go forward with pursuing charges against the man So this this isn't even really like a fictional story.
	It's real life and there's dozens of these stories by the way so but but my question is Who do the writers, the producers, the people who fund these things, who do they think is going to agree with them?
	White women can now be raped because if it's a black person that rapes them, it's okay.
	Do they actually think that's going to resonate and people are going to say, ah yes, social justice.
	It's so contrary to their dueling narratives, right?
	It's, we believe all women, no matter what, even if they don't have evidence from 20 years ago, you should be prosecuted to the fullest extent.
	Of course, that's if you're the former president or a white male or whatever.
	But then also then they have this other narrative that, you know, black men are oppressed by the system.
	There's systemic racism.
	So apparently this is higher on their totem pole, if you will.
	So they're going to push this narrative in the show.
	And, you know, I bet that there are people who view the show and probably agree with it.
	There are other people who are just watching it and don't even realize what they're consuming.
	And then there's other people like me who it's my job to watch these shows.
	And I'm just like grinding my teeth.
	Just trying to understand how and why.
	But the Hollywood writers always seem to go in one direction.
	It's like rarely ever will they not have some sort of like sympathetic social justice type warrior story plot.
	Right.
	Well, I think that's a good reason to get Stephanie back.
	She can watch all that crap I don't need to watch and tell us just how bad it is and what the impact is politically.
	In the meantime, check out her webpage, stephaniemhamill.net.
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	Hey, Guy, does that sound like a woman who was raped?
	Your microphone.
	Sorry, sir.
	No, sir.
	I hope that $48 million is good enough to buy a table at Dorcia for her.
	Because that doesn't sound to me like somebody who's been traumatized by rape at all.
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	Does that clip make your skin crawl like it does mine?
	Which clip?
	That clip of the woman that you just played.
	Yeah, it does.
	I think she's a lunatic.
	It's creepy and it makes my skin crawl.
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	I like that.
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	We've got 60 seconds left.
	You said you had another point, Rick?
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	James Carville, to me, is the very definition of a wretched, despicable human being.
	And that clip that you played earlier, I think he is broadcasting here's what the Democrats are willing to do to keep Trump out of office.
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	Too much of what's happening in our country today is not normal.
	Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic.
	They call us the threat to democracy.
	They call us the fascists.
	It's strange.
	I don't remember my former boss standing outside one of the most historic buildings in America, in the city of brotherly love, bathed in satanic red light, flanked by marines in their dress uniforms, calling the other half of the nation extremists.
	Hmm.
	That's what Biden did.
	The man who promised us unity and respect for all Americans in his inaugural speech.
	We have a very special in-studio guest who's gonna help us understand all of the strange goings-on of the last three years and what it bodes for us in this election year.
	He braves the lion's den with regularity, He walks into studios with the initial CNN emblazoned on the screen and he gets in trouble because he speaks the truth.
	Show Michael Singleton!
	Welcome to America First 101.
	Hey Doc, thanks for having me.
	It's good to be back.
	It's great.
	Last time we talked about guns with your colleague.
	We had a lot of fun with John Keyes as well.
	Just got back from Vegas where I saw John for SHOT Show.
	We searched for you high and low, but you were doing some caucus things.
	I was here talking about the primaries.
	Yeah, politics.
	Far less important than guns.
	Alright, we can talk about that later just to have a little bit of fun.
	But first things first.
	Let's put that comment in context from Liberty Hall.
	You are a professional political strategist.
	You've served as a former deputy chief of staff in one of our departments here in DC.
	Is the quality of politics today significantly different?
	Because we hear all this, you know, it's so divisive, etc.
	And then you go back in time, you look at the 60s, the 70s, Nixon, so forth.
	But I don't remember any president calling half of the nation extremists.
	Remember, there was once upon a time where members were getting into brawls on the floor of the House.
	They were having gun battles and duels.
	But they didn't insult the voters.
	Here we have a very strange setup where the person who's in the White House is insulting voters with irregularity.
	Give us your snapshot of the political environment we're in right now.
	I think it's a lot of conjecture when people say that things are far worse than they've ever been.
	I don't think history proves that to be true.
	I think most people, and this is just my personal opinion and my empirical observations, most people go to work with a lot of different types of people, racially, religiously, maybe gender, political persuasion.
	They hang out with those people.
	Their kids go to school with those individuals.
	I think more often than not, Dr. Gorka, those of us in Washington, particularly in the political class, and this isn't, I think Democrats to a perspective, I think even Republicans to a perspective, most Americans don't view, in my opinion, their fellow Americans as enemies.
	They may say we have differences.
	This is your guy.
	This is my guy.
	I don't like your guy.
	You don't like my guy.
	But that's okay.
	That's what being an American is all about, having that freedom to have disparate views about the political process.
	But at the end of the day, we come together because we recognize being an American is far more important than those political wedge issues.
	And so oftentimes, I saw that comment live when the president made it, and I understood the politics.
	There is a percent of voters in his party that are sort of moved by that rhetoric.
	And so I get that.
	But again, I just don't think it speaks to where most people in this country are.
	When you think about the history of our country, it's very complicated, whether it's race, whether it's women's rights issues, segregation.
	I mean, I can go through all of the things in the past.
	And while there's things we can still improve, we have come a far, far away.
	When you think about, you and I couldn't have this conversation 60 years ago, and yet here we are, right?
	And this is a beautiful thing, and it will only continue to get better.
	And so, I would argue that the President's remarks, in my opinion, are not truly representative of where most people in this country are.
	All right, well, let me ask you then the strategic question, because you are a political strategist.
	Isn't it just dumb politics?
	I mean, you're in an election year.
	You shouldn't piss off voters.
	Well, this is what I think.
	I think elections, Dr. Gorka, are about the present and the future.
	And people are concerned about what Can you do to address the problems that I am facing today so that the future is better, not only for me, but for my children?
	So is that the economy?
	Is that immigration?
	Is that our status in the world, particularly as it pertains to foreign conflicts?
	Is it the status of education?
	Is it the status of our overall infrastructure?
	That gives me the confidence in knowing that the next generation or two will be better off than my generation.
	That's what people seek, and I don't think That the politics of today, even in how it's covered, to be quite honest with you, really sort of addresses that problem.
	We're not focused on the past.
	We can't do anything about what happened.
	There's that old saying, it's water under a bridge, if you will.
	Tell me what you're going to do today about tomorrow, not what happened four years ago.
	All right, so let's talk about what you were doing while we were having fun in the desert at SHOT Show.
	This is quite an unusual primary.
	I mean, if you look at... Is it really a primary?
	I mean, I hate to say that.
	I'll ask the questions here, Show Michael.
	You look at the fact that Iowa, really a purple state, and then you have this old canard of, oh, the women hate him and the mean tweets, and then more women vote for President Trump in a purple state than men do.
	And then you look at New Hampshire, which really is not an ideal primary state for President Trump.
	Yeah, not at all.
	And then he breaks the prior record, which was held by Bernie Sanders.
	So is this even... I'll throw back the question to you.
	Is this a primary?
	Is he the candidate?
	When the former president announced, was it November of 2022, I think?
	November, yeah.
	And I remember going on air, and I was asked, what do you think about the announcement?
	And I said, he is going to be the Republican nominee.
	And people sort of laughed at me.
	They said, oh, come on.
	All these other people are going to jump in.
	And everything that he's gone through, it's not possible.
	And I said, you guys aren't understanding the crux of the situation.
	And that is simply this.
	The Republican base wants to give the former president another opportunity.
	And we don't have to get into the weeds of what happened in 2020.
	There's a lot of opinions on that.
	But nevertheless, people believe he deserves another shot.
	It's the sense of unfinished business.
	It is.
	And I think that even with that...
	You see a lot of people, if you ask them questions and focus groups, what do you think about the economy during the first two years, before COVID of course, and people will say, look, I think it fared better.
	If I'm an entrepreneur or business person, I thought things were really booming.
	And again, I focus on the first two years because under COVID, any president, regardless of political party, would have had an issue because that was just a once in a lifetime scenario.
	And I think we handled it as well as we could have.
	But with that in mind, people ask that question.
	They look at immigration and say, well, you know, under Trump, this really wasn't that big of a deal.
	Or they look at the international conflicts.
	We weren't on the brink of a potential war.
	People don't want any of those things.
	The appetite isn't there.
	And so when you compare those things, I always say to people, we're not looking
	for a priest or a pastor, and I'm a religious person, to lead the country.
	Or we're not looking for someone that makes me feel good inside.
	I want to know, most people want to know, are you going to just do the job,
	the business of handling this country and managing it well?
	And when you ask that fundamental question, I think there's a reason why, when you look
	at most national polls, Donald Trump is ahead, you know, four, five, six percentage points
	in the margin of error.
	And people say, well, how is this possible?
	What about all of these things in the comments?
	I say, guys, that stuff's baked in.
	People don't care about that anymore, Doc.
	I think there was a moment in time where people were a little frustrated because of everything that was going on, and now they look at four years and say, man, the economy sucks.
	Yeah, okay, you can say inflation is coming down somewhat, but wages haven't superseded that.
	Right, so it doesn't really matter.
	Access to afford in a home is non-existent.
	If I'm a college graduate in a big city, I can barely afford rent.
	You look at the SPM, the Supplemental Poverty Measure, that has gone up 2.7%, the highest it's been since 2010.
	Essentially that means more Americans are on the brink or in poverty than they were in 2010.
	Think about that.
	Household incomes nationally are at their all-time low in the past over 10 years
	That's another issue that that real Americans that are going to work every single day or dealing with these things
	They're asking themselves Do I want someone that I necessarily like or do I want
	someone who's going to do the job?
	And people want someone who's going to do the job. I'll put it to you like this. I was reading something
	By a professor at Harvard of all places and he was asked Michael Sandel is a philosopher
	And he was asked to explain the Trump phenomenon, if you will, to make America great again.
	And Michael Sandel essentially stated, or wrote, he said, Remember a past where their status in life was more secure.
	And so the idea of Make America Great Again is to actualize that security.
	Some people bring up the racial stuff.
	I don't get into that.
	I think people are saying once upon a time, you could work for 30 years, retire, and live the rest of your life comfortably.
	Once upon a time, you could buy a home and you could actually afford it.
	Once upon a time, you could put money to the side and put your kids through college if that was indeed your choice.
	That's not the case anymore.
	The gaps between winners and losers have only expanded.
	This idea of meritocracy, which is if you go to school and get all of these degrees, you will somehow win and succeed, that hasn't Play it out.
	That's not the case.
	In fact, we've seen the winners, if you will, sort of look down upon the losers.
	We call these folks elites, the proverbial elites.
	It's this level of hubris that we sort of see in the coastal parts of our country compared to everyone else.
	And it's not, in my opinion, it's not just white Americans.
	I would argue it's poor Latino Americans.
	Yes.
	It's poor black Americans, which is why, and I said this on one of my appearances, I said if I were advising Donald Trump, With all of the things that, you know, has gone on politically, the best advice I could give to him is to try to build a multi-racial populist movement.
	All right, we'll talk about that.
	Advice for the boss momentarily.
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	Right, so let's talk about this fascinating diagnosis you just gave us.
	I haven't heard it before, this yearning to have that security of status, and not in the pejorative sense that I'm higher than anybody else, but that my place in life is solid, that my job prospects are positive, I can work to own a home, and that when I do better myself, whether it's education or so forth, that it is recognized in a meritocratic fashion.
	I see that diagnosis as leading to America First, as leading to President Trump, but also as a kind of international phenomenon.
	Whether it's Brexit, whether it's Modi in India, whether it's Maloney in Italy, there is this kind of recrudescence of, hey, we liked what we had and things were more solid, more dependable way back then.
	As a result, I see a very dangerous fissure in politics today whereby what you've described and what I've just repackaged is utterly, completely ignored by the quote-unquote elite.
	They never discuss it.
	They never discuss it.
	Michael Moore may have ten years ago, right?
	But he's not at Brookings.
	He's not at CSI.
	He's not at, you know, Rachel Maddow.
	Those people They don't think there's a problem out there if you're a working-class American.
	You know what's so fascinating?
	When I'm on cable news, anytime I'm asked about the former president and the support, I always try to intellectually explain this unique phenomenon, because I think it's incredibly important.
	What I have found And I travel the country is that people are yearning for, as the German philosopher Hegel said, recognition.
	People are yearning for recognition.
	Hegel argued that if you were to peel back the layers of the onion, if you will, and you were to sort of crystallize why people behave the way they do, why they take upon certain actions, it's at the crux of it.
	The foundation is for recognition.
	And so I say that to say that hard-working people of every ethnicity, what I would call put in the category of the losers compared to the meritocratic winners, the folks at the very top, What they're saying is, we are the backbone of the country.
	We are the laborers of the country.
	Maybe some decide to go off and get degrees, but maybe some decide to get other physical skills.
	But the reality is, not everyone can be a technocrat.
	We have a lot of technocratic elites, but the reality is... Not everyone's job can be sitting in Starbucks with a laptop.
	It's just not possible.
	The economy would not be able to sustain itself with those individuals alone.
	And so this is why I've made the very, I guess, interesting argument that you don't hear a lot, is that the vast majority of people are very frustrated with the traditional political system and establishment, generally speaking.
	It's not just Republican establishment.
	It's not just a Democratic establishment.
	It is the entire system.
	And people are saying, these individuals who look down upon us, these individuals who view themselves as well-educated, well-pedigreed, well-traveled, well-versed, and I would even say well-cultured, yet they don't appear to have their pulse on what the average American culture is at this moment.
	Are saying we seek someone who is going to speak a level of recognition that we no longer have.
	And I think that is why Donald Trump, in my assessment, as I sort of analyze why he's been so popular for so long, still has a substantial amount of support, which is really unique in a political process.
	But I would say that there are also other Americans with a very similar yearning.
	It's why you mentioned Bernie Sanders.
	It's why Sanders almost shocked everybody and became the nominee.
	Well, until he was kneecapped by the special DNC superdelegates.
	Right.
	And so you see this same phenomenon on the other side.
	And so is it hard to believe, Dr. Gorka, that if not now, someone at some point in time, perhaps very soon, will realize that, wait a minute here, there's a lot of similarities across groups.
	In terms of the frustration, the distrust, the anger, the anxiety about their status.
	You mean Bernie Bros voting for Trump?
	I think with the right message, and I'm not a predictor, but I think with the right message and articulation, you can say, is your Latin life better now than it was before?
	And the 20% of the black population who say they're supporting Trump, that could be a game changer.
	You know, you and I have talked about this.
	I'm waiting to see if there's going to be a direct communication and outreach to black men and Latino men.
	And this is an interesting phenomenon, Doc.
	You and I have texted about this.
	Even the mainstream media has talked about this.
	Because it surprised everybody.
	Like, wait a minute here, a lot of Latino men, black men are saying, hey, we're open to voting for Donald Trump.
	And so I think with the right outreach and the right message centered around financial freedom, I think the right message centered around education, and I don't mean necessarily getting a college degree, but perhaps returning trade back to our high schools to give men the ability to be competitive as women are now superseding most men with college degrees now.
	If you can talk about those things and provide a legislative path that people can say, okay,
	this actually benefits me as men, I foresee a bunch of men, a multiracial group of men
	saying, you know what, economically, this is more my concern.
	And I think most men, you're a man, you would probably agree with me on this, we're concerned
	with being able to provide for our families, to be able to provide for ourselves.
	A sense of security, I would say, is a very masculine feature.
	And any person who can speak to that issue, I think is someone who would probably do well with men.
	All right, we're going to talk about what that message could be in more detail with our good friend.
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	It was the first of the primaries.
	Then it was New Hampshire.
	What did the corporate mainstream media do?
	Here's a little reminder from Rachel Maddow.
	At this point in the evening, the projected winner of the Iowa caucuses has just started giving his victory speech.
	We will keep an eye on that as it happens.
	We will let you know if there's any news made in that speech, if there's anything noteworthy, something substantive and important.
	The reason I'm saying this is Of course, there is a reason that we and other news organizations have generally stopped giving an unfiltered live platform to remarks by former President Trump.
	It is not out of spite.
	It is not a decision that we relish.
	It is a decision that we regularly revisit.
	And honestly, earnestly, it is not an easy decision.
	But there is a cost to us as a news organization of knowingly broadcasting untrue things.
	Unless, of course, it was Russian collusion for the last seven years, dear Rachel.
	Show Michael Singleton, how dangerous is it when you have corporate media?
	I know they have a tiny viewership.
	It's like a sixth or a seventh of our audio viewership here on radio.
	No, not a joke.
	It's like 500,000 people on a good night.
	This is three and a half million listeners plus all the video.
	But how dangerous is it when people who pretend to be journalists Literally cut the feed to the guy who's winning the elections.
	Isn't that true fascism?
	I mean, look, it doesn't bode well for trust in the media.
	I think there's a reason why you're seeing a growth in people going to alternative sources for their media, mostly digital.
	There's a reason why most of the traditional outlets have struggled with viewership.
	It's because people question what they're watching.
	They're questioning what they're hearing.
	I'm not surprised by that.
	I mean, the media was once upon a time the third estate, if you will.
	The days of Walter Cronkite of just presenting the objective facts and allowing the viewer to sort of make the determination for themselves is no longer there.
	And I do worry about this, Dr. Gorka.
	I do.
	And I worry about it because not that I don't want people to get their news from other outlets.
	I just want to make sure that those outlets, those entities, those individuals are presenting well-researched information to people.
	And that's where I get a little worried.
	But again, this is the reality when people turn on whatever particular outlet and say, you know, I don't know if I can actually trust this anymore.
	And so people are going to other places.
	And I think we're going to see the continuation of this, particularly as X, for example, sort of builds out its digital It becomes a media platform.
	You're going to see more of that.
	There are people on YouTube with millions of followers.
	I mean, there are some folks that I follow that I just look at because I think their presentation style stylistically is unique.
	Some of them are averaging a million views.
	Most cable shows are lucky if they can get close to a million views on any single night.
	In a very specific demographic, a very limited demographic.
	So to that question, is it good?
	I don't think it's helpful.
	And I don't think it's helpful if the media, generally speaking, wants to maintain trust.
	And I also think it's why, when you look at some outlets, they're sort of reshuffling.
	And I don't want to call out any particular outlet, but you're seeing some outlets say, okay, wait a minute here, we need more balance.
	Yeah.
	And our coverage.
	We need a diversity of thoughts and opinions.
	And the individuals are bringing on to talk about politics, to talk about culture, to talk about the news.
	Because they're starting to recognize the reality is that putting everybody in this one box doesn't bode well for ratings, it doesn't bode well for advertising.
	It's not good for business.
	It's not good for business is what I'm trying to say here.
	It's just not good for business.
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	If I were Biden, I would stay hidden, and I'll tell you why.
	He doesn't inspire confidence, and he's not a great messenger for himself.
	about a communist about the next 10 months for a count Biden if I were Biden
	I would I would stay hidden and I'll tell you why he doesn't inspire
	confidence and he's not a great messenger for himself he has done a
	tremendous job this economy union members union leaders have are racking
	up win after win They should be put forward.
	There are clean energy executives in red states that are putting people to work in solar and everything.
	There's something wrong with this campaign where we're somehow expecting Joe Biden, who frankly he did during the last campaign, to come out now and be Flash Gordon and say that this is his own campaign.
	How you can put Joe Biden and Flashcord in the same sentence, Van Jones, uh, yeah, quite remarkable.
	So, um, Schoenmichael, they're gonna hide him in the basement again!
	I'm not sure I'll see it... I know he's right, of course he's right.
	But the question I want to ask you as a political strategist...
	Because you hear all these things about, oh, Michelle is going to be parachuted in, or Gavin Newsom's going to... I guarantee you it's not going to be Michelle.
	But can they run this guy?
	Or are they going to do like... They're going to.
	They're not going to get rid of him in the convention?
	I see a lot of this stuff on social media.
	That's not how this works.
	And I want to just tell the audience that, trust me, that's not how this works.
	But even if they know they're going to lose with this guy?
	It's going to be him.
	I promise you, doc, it's going to be him.
	Okay.
	In order to change, he would have to step down.
	I don't see that happening.
	At convention, the delegates could say we don't have confidence in the president, we're going in another direction.
	Doc, that's not going to happen.
	But as you said, he's losing the polls ten months out.
	He is.
	It's not going to happen.
	I'll give this analogy.
	President Biden, to Van Jones's point, I think he was spot on.
	Very eloquent.
	It's like sitting around a campfire.
	Initially, it's warm.
	You got good feelings, good vibes.
	Everybody's having a good time.
	But eventually, the zombies come.
	The flames start to dim.
	Uh-huh.
	People get a little cold.
	It's not as fun anymore.
	Mm-hmm.
	And then people say, all right, this was cool, but I think I'm gonna go ahead and go inside now.
	Right.
	And that's what's happening.
	People are saying, this was cool, but I'm not feeling this.
	I'm going inside, Doc.
	And so what you're seeing, a lot of demographic groups that Biden really relied on in 2020 are saying, we're not excited about the But they're going to stick with him?
	The party is going to stick with him?
	The party is going to stick with him.
	I'll give an example.
	I'll just say this.
	It's just like some Republican just said, we think the party should move in another direction as it pertains to foreign president Trump.
	That stuff just doesn't happen.
	It's not going to happen.
	A party isn't going to remove the person who is perceived as the leader of the party, whether it's Donald Trump on the Republican side.
	They're trying with Nikki Haley.
	But that's not going to happen.
	Nikki Haley doesn't have a path, and I'll just say quickly, Donald Trump has had 50 points in South Carolina.
	Come Super Tuesday, which is March 5th, most of those states are winner-take-all or winner-take-most.
	Donald Trump is going to reach 12-15, which is what you need to become the nominee.
	Even if Haley were to magically win two or three states, she would still play mathematical catch-up.
	So for anyone who's listening to the show, that's not going to happen.
	With that said, though, Doc, if I could really, really quickly.
	If people are wondering how this could potentially play out, and I just talked about this on CNN a week ago, and everyone for the most part agreed.
	People say, well, Donald Trump doesn't have a path.
	That's not necessarily true.
	Georgia appears to be back in his corner.
	Nevada, Arizona appear to be states that he can also win.
	You win those three states, all three he won, or lost rather, by less than 20,000 votes.
	If he went back Pennsylvania, a state that he lost by 80,000 votes, so Biden essentially won on the margins.
	Donald Trump won in 2016 on the margins against Hillary Clinton.
	If you can win back those four states, that will get him back to 270.
	Now I will say this.
	If he doesn't win back some of those states, then there isn't, looking at how he's currently ranking in the other swing states, there isn't a path.
	So the campaign, if I'm advising them, Georgia, Arizona, Nevada, Pennsylvania, those have to be their main focuses.
	All right, so it's going to be Biden versus Trump.
	Oh yeah, of course.
	Let's talk about what you mentioned earlier.
	You've mentioned the key states that he has to win and where he does have a shot.
	What has he to do differently, especially when it comes to minorities?
	I get this, he needs to go to the ghettos, he needs to go to the barbershop.
	You've actually worked out a plan.
	Give a little inkling of what the president, content-wise, has to do differently.
	Going to certain places, I think, matters, but at the end of the day, I think people are more principally concerned about, what are you going to do for me?
	We've had this conversation, right?
	I think the former president needs to talk a lot about economics.
	And I think, I told you this, and I've been very honest about this, I'm not convinced that having a message to a lot of women of other groups in general is going to yield any significant marginal or statistical success.
	I'm not saying ignore anyone.
	I want to be clear on this.
	But I'm just being honest as a strategist.
	I think the message is more palatable to men in general.
	And so I would focus on some of the issues that I raise, particularly communities of color.
	Black men, Hispanic men, Asian men.
	But when you say economics, what is it?
	Is it small business?
	I would say it's supporting small businesses.
	I would say that it's focusing on a plan to teach men certain skills to be competitive in the marketplace.
	I would say that it's about providing opportunities for those who want to be risk takers, i.e.
	entrepreneurs, and talking about what that could look like under a Republican administration.
	Those things concretely.
	I would also say having a plan that speaks to the health disparities of men in general.
	As men, we don't always talk about our health.
	I think having some policy positions that address some of those things more concretely would also be important.
	And then I'll add this, I think a part two to the Criminal Justice Act that was passed, I think would be important.
	I think talking about giving Recently passed incarcerated men of nonviolent crimes.
	I want to be clear on this.
	Not violent, nonviolent crimes.
	The ability to be a part of the political process and voting again, I think is also important.
	So there are some tangibles that I think are there that could lead to some movement in some of the battleground states that I just laid out.
	Where again, you're talking about 12,000 vote difference.
	in a place like Georgia. For folks who don't understand what this means, that means you're
	talking about a county or two where people said, you know what, this is just crazy, I'm
	staying home. Or I'm going to try it with the other guy. We try it with the other guy,
	I'm not really happy with this, so what do I do? And so if you're looking at that layout,
	if you will, then you have to say, alright, you have Robert F. Kennedy, you have Cornel
	West, you have Jill Stein.
	Those individuals are likely going to take votes away from Biden.
	Yes.
	So then if I'm on the Trump campaign and I'm looking at what I did in 2020, I need to figure out if Biden is somehow able to see a decrease in numbers, where can I see an increase?
	And that's when you start talking about those small marginal things as it pertains to men, particularly men of color, that I think may be open to saying, all right, I'm going to give Donald Trump A second shot or I'll give him a first shot if it's their first time voting for him.
	It seems to be moving in the right direction.
	We're going to get these messages to somewhere.
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	What's it like to be a black conservative in the media and talking about politics?
	Because you worked in the Trump administration.
	You worked for that blessed man, Dr. Ben Carson.
	Is it hard to be a black conservative in the media?
	Not really.
	For some people, I will say.
	Some black conservatives that I know.
	Right, that's why I'm asking.
	I was at MSNBC, anchored a show on Peacock, where I was a conservative and liberals and we would debate politics and culture.
	No, I mean, do I get criticized sometimes from people?
	I do.
	But that's with anything.
	You know this.
	You get criticism as well.
	But Biden said if you don't vote for him, you're not black.
	So you don't get that kind of garbage?
	No.
	People know what my positions are.
	But you know what, Doc?
	I think the reason people respect where I am, even if they vehemently disagree with me, I know why I'm a conservative.
	I can intellectually go through all the loops and bounds of every philosopher you can think of, my undergraduate degree is in political theory, and tell you why I believe what I believe.
	I've written about it in quite a few well-renowned newspapers.
	I've done the academic publishing work.
	And so I think people will say, alright, you know, we don't necessarily agree with you, Michael, but the guy knows his stuff.
	And people respect people who know and can defend why they believe what they believe.
	Well, reasonable people do.
	Others feel intimidated.
	Yeah, that's true.
	But even the intimidated ones, though, I think arrive at the conversation saying, well, I probably can't beat him in a debate, so I'll let him have it.
	I mean, it is what it is.
	The guy knows his stuff.
	I just happen to hate what he knows.
	And that's okay, too.
	But for the most part, I don't really have too many issues.
	Outside of the Twitter trolls here and there, like, oh, you know, you shouldn't be, you're too smart to be a Republican or a conservative.
	You should come over to the Democratic side.
	Come back to the plantation.
	But outside of that, people, for the most part, respect my positions for what they are.
	And I will even say, there are even a lot of black people on social media who will say, look, I don't always agree with Shermichael, but he's thoughtful.
	And you have to respect that.
	People are open-minded, Doc.
	One sentence.
	If I'm President Trump, and you could whisper in my ear, what's the one thing you'd say for the next ten months?
	Focus on the economy and immigration, not 2020.
	Okay, good.
	You heard it.
	That's my advice.
	Our guest in studio has been Sher Michael Singleton.
	Next time we'll talk about guns with his buddy John Keyes.
	He's a political strategist.
	Follow him at SherMichael underscore on... Okay, I'll say X. I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	You've been listening to Merck First One on One.

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