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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Left reveals the coup plot for 2024
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I have a dream. I have a dream. I have a dream. I have a dream. I have a dream. I have a dream.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its dreams.
Bye.
We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal.
I have a dream that one day on the Red Hills of Georgia, sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners
will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.
I have a dream that my poor little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color
of their skin but by the content of their character.
I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places
will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed and
all the blacks shall see it again.
There are few moments in modern history that are more beautiful than this.
That are truly world-shaping.
That everyone knows.
The this day will live in infamy speech.
Churchill's we will fight them on the beaches.
Or the I have a dream speech from MLK.
Really just a handful and that tells you how few true leaders there are.
Martin Luther King who we remember and we celebrate today.
A man who as I posted on social media earlier today would be rejected and would be canceled by the left.
Why?
Because the left are bigots.
They're racists.
They want you to be judged on the basis of your skin color.
Martin Luther King believed in the opposite.
Somebody else who is suffering today from actual cancellation for different but related reasons is a good, good friend of me and the show and all patriots.
This is a little audio I received on Friday from the great Mike Lindell.
Hello, everyone.
I've got some very disturbing news.
Fox News just canceled my pillow.
This is disgusting.
Because I have spoke out to help secure our elections since January of 2021.
This has been going on.
First, the box stores, the shopping channels, and now Fox News.
Now, I can only say, gee, why did you not want my face on your network?
Because I'm so branded with our real President Donald Trump?
Is it because we added Lou Dobbs to Lyndale TV this week?
And we don't know yet.
But I just want to let you all know, Fox News has canceled my pillow.
Thank you.
We know what happened to Fox after they called a Nevada for Joe Biden in 2020, after Paul Ryan took over at the board, and after Rupert Murdoch handed it to one of his liberal sons.
But really?
Look, I'm no businessman, but I thought the color of money is green.
Really?
You won't take one of your best advertisers' advertisements?
Well, Mike, thank you, Dawn, for the Texas, graciously taken his Fox ad and decided to give it to us.
Here it is.
He's celebrating 20 plus years of MyPillow and now with his new blankets you will get free shipping.
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So let's support a man who's done so much for America for the 45th president and who God willing will be the 47th if we do our part.
And let's ask him what Fox did.
Mike Lindell!
Happy New Year!
Welcome back to America First!
Well, thanks for having me back on.
Well, thank you for the amazing deal.
You know, if Fox doesn't want your ads, we will take your ads here at Salem.
But in all seriousness, everybody who's listening, go right now.
How about American products made in America by Americans?
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It is 800-829-8468.
But I know our listeners are going to want to know, what on earth is Fox doing, Mike?
Can you explain?
Before I tell you that too, remember to use that promo code GORKA because your whole order, I'm going to cover shipping on everybody's order today.
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This happened last Wednesday.
You know, I don't deal with Fox directly.
I have a media buyer that has been with me for about 15 years now.
The box reached out to us.
It was kind of suspicious this fall and said, hey, we're going to take your 12 week line of credit and bring it down to eight weeks, 60 days.
And I'm going, OK, why?
We haven't done anything wrong.
We've always been on time.
We spend about a million dollars a week.
But I went ahead and complied with that.
We bought our ads all the way through December.
And up to now, we're well within our credit limit by better than we have any time in history, actually.
And last Wednesday, we went on there, we were going to test the new ad with the blankets that you see there.
And what we do is we always give them money for an ad test, like a couple hundred thousand dollars or a half a million.
And we said, here, Fox, we want to test this ad.
And they said, no, we're not taking your money.
Now, that was a, you know, I took my media guys called me and said, hey, I think, you know, they're not taking our money.
I said, well, they're cancelling us.
I said, I, I figured something might happen when we brought Lou Dobbs over.
Remember, Fox fired Lou Dobbs, and I brought him over to my Lindell TV network on Monday, and his first interview was Donald J. Trump.
And I don't know if it's because we drew so many people but I do know that they are out of the blue this game for no reason and and you know I gotta ask you let me just ask you this so you are an incredible it's such a successful businessman you know you built my pillow by yourself over 81 million just pillows sold I gotta ask you this have you ever seen in business A CEO aboard being so suicidal that they'll let politics get in the way and they'll just cut off their nose.
I mean, okay, they fired Luz Dobbs, who's a great patriot, a good friend of this show, but this is advertising, Mike.
I don't understand it.
How stupid is Fox?
Yeah, and I don't understand, you know, also they get rid of Tucker, their number one host, and you put him on the bench and now you're number one advertiser.
I don't care what the media is telling you out there.
Oh, my pillow owes money.
No, this is all over some agenda that's a very strange agenda.
You know, Mark Zuckerberg did this to me with Facebook in 2020.
Right before the 2020 election, I couldn't do any Facebook ads.
If I was in the ad, I was so branded with Donald Trump, they said it would be a political ad.
So we had to scrub all of my pillow ads to get rid of me in the ad.
And so here, maybe Fox does not want me on.
They don't like Donald Trump, you know that.
And maybe they don't want me in their ads all the way up to 2024.
I don't know, but I know that there's a—you've got to have a different agenda when it doesn't make sense.
This doesn't make sense.
I have reached out to Fox.
I want to—I actually want to meet with Susan Scott there.
Let me tell you from personal experience, there's a thing in Washington DC where people constantly get promoted because they're incompetent.
Susan is one of those, okay?
Susan runs from real decisions.
Having worked at Fox, You don't need to talk to her.
You need to talk to the people who tell her what to do.
But here's my bottom line.
As somebody who's grateful for your support in the tempestuous last five years of me doing radio, I know you will go from strength to strength.
I know our listeners are going to go right now to my pillow.
We're going to react to the ad you were going to put on Fox.
Get the free shipping today for the blankets, whatever you want to order.
But I've got a minute and a half left and I gotta ask you because you're a survivor, Mike.
You're a businessman.
Fox can't survive if they take decisions like this, can they?
I would think so.
By the way, our ads in December were the lowest conversion rate that they've been in quite a while.
What I mean is the lowest return on investment.
And that's usually because of places.
It's all about what you get charged, but their viewership must be way down.
I don't know this for sure, but for them to attack an employee-owned company like MyPillow, It's disgusting.
And I wouldn't think that people are going to put up with in the country.
And they've always, when we were, when we were canceled by the box stores and the shopping channels and so on, everybody helped us out and just bought direct.
So I, your audience has been great and supported us.
And that's why we're giving free shipping.
And you know what?
Everybody take advantage of that on the, on the beds.
We make a hundred percent, the USA, the mattress toppers and the, my pillow 2.0.
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We'll be back in a moment with our good friend Natalie Winters.
We'll be back in a moment with our good friend Natalie Winters.
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All right, good music today.
We have to go back to just the OG library.
Tears for Fears, good stuff.
All right guys, I was talking in the break to Mike Lindell.
He's going to give us that free shipping deal.
For like the whole of the month.
Don't tell anybody, but if you're listening to my show, where the only promo code in the world is G-O-R-K-A, you're going to get free shipping for the whole month.
If you buy one of his beds, a bed, they're going to ship it for free, guys.
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Fox cancelled him.
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All right, she's always working.
She's got her head down on her phone, ordering something on my pillow with my promo code.
Natalie Winters, co-host of The War Room.
How are you doing on this Iowa primary day?
It's such an exciting day.
I feel like we've waited so long for this.
But I have to ask, Are you bringing your beautiful new puppy on your Alaska cruise?
Because I feel like he would do great there.
You know what I will do?
Because I did it once when Katie was working.
I bought Killian.
Before we even had Leia, I bought the OG Killian, the Terhuren, into the studio.
Jeff, do you remember that when I bought Killian into the studio?
Didn't he behave himself really, really well?
Yeah, that was the old studio.
That was a while ago.
Right.
He'd just sat in the corner for three hours.
But I could have like Titus just walking across my table.
The ratings would just explode because he'd have this little... He's just a little fluffball.
He's just an amazing fluffball.
Or I might have to do that.
In the meantime, something almost as cute as Titus This is the latest line of products you are providing.
Do we have a she's so right dot co?
Yeah, we do.
There she is.
She hired some model and the T-shirt says, but daddy, I miss his mean tweets.
I don't want to stare at your bosom so closely next time.
So can you like increase the font, please?
Unless that's the point.
So people have to like really stare at your chest to read it.
I saw some other ones.
I don't have them memorized.
Give us some of the other cool phrases that you've got on your gear.
Low social credit score, misinformation, spelled M-I-S-S, got more insecure than the border, a little bit conspiratorial.
But you know my background is in Chinese Communist Party infiltration.
They're all about subtle and subversion.
So that's sort of the, I would say, guiding principle of She's So Nice.
I love Ms.
I'm the one doing IP theft now.
I love misinformation and I love more insecure than the Biden border.
Do you think of all of the, or did these come up from, from War Room listeners, from the posse?
So I joke that the She's So Right clothing line is really just a glimpse into my brain because I just think every day in ironic humor and little sayings that I want to tweet out, but I don't share all of them because that would just be constant notifications from me.
So no, these are all thought of, designed, the whole thing, even working with the factories, schlepping things around, driving everything around.
No, I'm not joking.
I've seen the footage of her with the cardboard boxes of, you know, tank tops.
So go to She'sSoRight.co.
She'sSoRight.co.
All right, we're going to get to your cause next.
Don't go anywhere, Ray, Jo and Brent.
But you have this mind-blowing story.
It's not enough that she's spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on, I don't know, what was it, executive jets?
And flower arrangements and Botox injections.
But the RNC with Rona Romney McDaniel give us the latest unbelievable headline, Natalie.
This is a mind-blowing story, and I'm sure your audience knows my background is in Chinese Communist Party infiltration, but even for me, I think this is one of the most ridiculous stories I've ever broken because it shows direct collusion between the RNC and the CCP for over a decade now.
And I'll walk you through this story because we can get super granular here
and the more details you get, the more your head's probably gonna blow up.
But there's this organization, this entity called the US-China High Level
Political Leaders Dialogue.
And this isn't just put on by some, you know, Chinese Communist Party influence group,
though those are involved.
This is directly put on by the Chinese Communist Party.
To be specific, it's their international department of the Central Committee.
So sort of the top dogs, the upper echelon of the CCP.
And this annual event brings over a bunch of American thought leaders,
or I'm using quotes, so-called thought leaders, to really kind of give the Chinese Communist Party insight
into where the American political landscape is going.
So during the 2013- So this is the Davos run by the commies of China.
Thank you.
Yes, that's a perfect way to put it.
And believe it or not, since 2013, several RNC chairmen, including Ed Gillespie, Jim Nicholson, and Robert Duncan, have all participated in these.
But the most damning piece of evidence is that the treasurer for the RNC, who served under Ronna Romney, McDaniel, While he was in that position, in other words, while you guys were diligently writing your checks and supporting the RNC, the treasurer, the man who was the steward of those funds, was meeting with the Chinese Communist Party.
And from these documents that I obtained, it shows that he was discussing campaign strategy, as well as sort of pre-gaming what the Trump administration's approach to China, how they would handle it.
Stop.
Why would he be doing that?
Why would a Republican National Committee member Be sharing strategic insights on campaigning in America with communist Chinese officials.
There's absolutely no answer, but it goes back to what I think the brunt of my reporting has always been, which is that when you say, oh, so-and-so or this candidate is bought off by the Chinese Communist Party, we do a disservice to what the Chinese Communist Party is doing in terms of influence operations here, because the campaigns that they are running are systematic and come from a multi-billion dollar political warfare department called the United Front Work Department, and they target what is the Achilles heel of the United States.
They find these spineless, whether they're Republicans or Democrats, Right.
in these high and powerful institutions like the RNC, and whether it's money, honeypot, you name it,
they find a way to compromise them.
And I think the RNC is already full of spineless Republicans
to begin with.
Of course, none of these people were hardcore Trump types, but it just shows you, I think,
the breadth of Chinese communist.
to the Chinese Communist Party foreign influence operations.
But as I always say, we can't just blame the CCP because it takes two to tango. And the Chinese Communist Party's
influence operations only work if we have a treasonous ruling class here in the United States and treasonous
political leadership who don't believe that America is worth defending or fighting for. So they're willing to sell
us out to communists in China.
All right, we're out of time. Where can people read all the details of this shocking news story, Natalie?
Go to forum.org to read the story, familiarize yourself with it, and call your RNC leaders.
And we gotta stop this and demand change.
Warroom.org and her company, She's So Right.co.
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Welcome back, Rumblers.
Wax on.
By the way, for those who were curious, the previous poll on the website about who will be Trump's running mate.
Yeah.
Final results before we move to the next one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ben Carson, 51%.
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
Ben, 51, yeah.
Lee Zeldin, 27%.
And Vivek, 22%.
Okay, nice.
Alright, let's do the poll at the top here.
I'll do... I'll do a Patriot Mobile at the top here.
Then I'll go to calls.
You can block the calls.
Oh, and we haven't played the ad yet, right?
The trumpet?
No, we have not.
That's a good one.
Yeah, that's longer, so... I'll tee it up.
No response from Matt.
I haven't heard anything on it, and I assume Jeff stepped out, so I think he's still on that.
Title for Natalie?
Hang on a second, let me just text him.
I love, by the way, her cover image on Twitter is on X, is still her with you.
Dawn and Steve from War Room CPAC last year.
Oh, good.
What, the header?
The header image?
Yeah, the cover image over the profile, yeah.
And actually, I think the misinformation first came out from, again, when Steve was there at CPAC with her.
He had her wear, like, the Beauty Queen, like, sash that said Miss.
Oh, I didn't see that.
Yeah, I didn't see that.
I was there.
I remember taking a few pictures of that because that was beautiful.
That's where that came from, I think.
So I don't know if she came up with that or Steve did.
Ms.
Information.
That's clever.
Alright.
.
Oh, but she's made it in black and white.
That's funny.
Oh, why did she use the Getty Images one?
There's a much better one of ours in color from the side.
Oh, that's cool.
That's cool.
I think I am going to bring Tidus in.
You should!
I will.
Tidus is going to run around the studio.
Oh my goodness, he's going to play the toys.
Oh no, no, no, no.
Alright.
Yeah, 90 seconds.
So you said Patriot at the top and then you'll tee up the ad.
Patriot, then the ad, and then I'll go to calls.
That ad really is one of the best, I think.
Perfect.
And the fact that it's Tucker talking is icing on the cake.
where you said patriot then you were going to mention the website poll and then
i'd read one minute
Somebody's walking above me, what's that?
Like a floor above you?
Mm-hmm.
I hate when I can hear that in my apartment building.
Oh, yeah.
Whoever's above me loves to do some hammering every now and then on the weekends.
Stop the hammering!
I didn't realize- Stop that.
That was an actual behind-the-scenes leak.
I thought that was him talking about like Trump
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Have you voted in our new poll?
We have the question, how many points will President Trump defeat his Iowa caucus second place loser by?
30, 40, or 50 plus points?
That is the question at SebGorka.com.
We have the results from the last survey.
Who should be President Trump's running mate?
Ben Carson.
51% is the winner.
Lee Zeldin with 27 and Vivek at 22.
We shall see who he announces imminently.
Let's go to your calls.
Let's go to Ray in Livermore.
Happy MLK Day.
Greetings to you, my friend.
Likewise.
Indeed.
And then I called about global warming, but... It's snowing here!
What do you mean?
It's snowing in DC.
I'm going to get to it.
I'm pacing myself here.
I didn't get in the VP poll, but I have a suggestion, and gosh, I hope I get his name right.
I think it's Byron.
Byron Donalds.
Yes.
Yes, he's great.
The only trouble is he lives in Florida, so one of them would have to move.
Yeah, well, Trump has houses all over, so he can easily, you know, pick up and change address.
That's not a problem.
Now, you were talking about folks getting out to Iowa, and the news is reporting Arctic weather.
And I know what Arctic weather is like.
I spent time in Alaska, courtesy of the U.S.
government, and Arctic weather is a serious thing.
Now, this is where we have to be thankful for global warming.
They said it's going to be 40 below zero.
Wind chill.
Not really, but wind chill.
Right.
But there it is.
I want to thank Global Warming, because if we didn't have Global Warming, it could be 50 below there, and I've been in 50 below, and that's serious cold.
40 below?
Eh, not so much.
So do we have to say thank you to Al Gore, Ray?
Yes, we're going to say, you know what?
We're embracing global warming.
It's doing its thing.
It's keeping it from getting to 50 below, which in 50 below, if you walk outside with uncovered skin, you can get frostbite in a matter of seconds.
As a man who wore the cloth of the Republic, as a man who knows which end of an M16 the bullets come out of, give us a tip, Ray from Livermore, about being in Arctic conditions.
Give us one practical tip.
One tip is, For those of you who are trying to save the Earth, the Earth is trying to kill you, OK?
And 50 below will kill you very fast.
It actually sucks the air out of your lungs.
You feel like you're in an oxygen-free situation for about a minute until your lungs sort of climatize to 50 below.
The Earth is trying to kill you.
Quit trying to save the Earth.
I love that.
I think we might have to make a liner out of that.
Alex, let's make a liner.
What's our lesson learned from Ray from Livermore?
The Earth is trying to kill you.
Stay on the line.
Let's give Ray one of our new t-shirts.
Let's give him the Israel map.
Let's give him the, from the river to the sea, Israel will be forever free.
If he has got one already, then he can give him one of the other ones.
That's so good.
I love that.
Joe, Illinois!
Hey, G. Hey.
You know, the American population is quickly becoming non-white.
Who's going to pay for all these benefits, you know, after that happens?
And it's coming quick.
And who's going to pay for all the benefits when the people, the millions, the literal at least 16 million who've come into this country in the last three years aren't actually paying taxes or paying into social security, Joe?
That's the question.
When they're coming in and saying, oh, I'll do Jose's job for 50% cash under the table, who's going to be paying Joe?
That's why, as President Trump said at the weekend, I think I posted on social media, day one, we're going to have the biggest deportation program in American history.
We need to have America for Americans.
Whether you're an immigrant or not, you have to be here legally.
Thank you, Joe.
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Fox News have banned their biggest advertiser Mike Lindell, I guess because what?
He's too conservative?
Because he's associated with President Trump?
Insanity.
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All right, we've got a new guest coming on who we've never had before.
Super exciting.
But first, I've got to share with you Tucker Carlson voiced a... I don't know if it's an official campaign ad.
I found it online for President Trump.
And man, he nailed it.
Play cut.
Millions of Americans sincerely love Donald Trump.
They love him in spite of everything they've heard.
They love him often in spite of himself.
They love Donald Trump because no one else loves them.
The country they built, the country their ancestors fought for over hundreds of years, has left them to die in their unfashionable little towns, mocked and despised by the sneering halfwits with finance degrees but no actual skills who seem to run everything all of a sudden.
Whatever Donald Trump's faults, he is better than the rest of the people in charge.
At least he doesn't hate them for their weakness.
Donald Trump, in other words, is and has always been a living indictment of the people who run this country.
That was true four years ago, when Trump came out of nowhere to win the presidency, and it's every bit as true right now.
Trump rose because they failed.
It's as simple as that.
If the people in charge had done a halfway decent job with the country they inherited, if they'd cared about anything other than themselves, even for just a moment, Donald Trump would still be hosting Celebrity Apprentice.
But they didn't.
Instead, they were incompetent, and narcissistic, and cruel, and relentlessly dishonest.
They wrecked what they didn't build.
They lied about it.
It's not just that they're incompetent and reckless.
The first part of that ad is important.
President Trump is the only one out there who loves working Americans.
Great campaign ad.
All right, let's talk to a man who I've admired his content since it was pushed my way by those dastardly algorithms.
He calls himself, a very simple bio on Twitter, a free thinker.
You can follow him at MattAttack009 underscore and also MattKimPodcast.com.
Matt Kim, welcome to America First.
Sebastian, thank you so much for having me.
It's a pleasure.
And of course his pinned tweet at the top of his account is just a very cool intro from Tucker Carlson himself.
So you must be doing something right.
Matt, I want to have you on the show.
I've been thinking about this for a while.
A longer interview.
We do a deep dive in the third hour with a guest for a whole hour.
But I wanted to get you on today because of something you shared with the world.
You're on the campaign trail and something happened to you at an event for Ron DeSantis.
Will you share that with our three and a half million listeners live right now?
Yeah, I mean, it was wild.
So, I live in Georgia, and when I heard that this Iowa caucus was happening, and a friend of mine said, let's go to Iowa, let's go be a part of it, I got interested, and I want to go for a journey, and we drove 14 hours here, through the blizzard, through the snow, barely made it alive, and it's been exciting, it's been great.
We attended the Trump rally on Sunday, and we found out that Ron DeSantis is having a town hall in that evening.
So I signed up for it via the website and then maybe the next morning they called me and they say, Hey, we're trying to speak to Matt Kim.
Are you going to be attending the event?
The event's supposed to be at 8 30, but because of weather, we're going to move it till 7 PM.
We just want to make sure if you're going to be there or not.
I said, yeah, I'd love to attend.
I got your text message because they have the automated system to text.
I'd love to be there.
And I showed up on time.
I walk in the door, and as soon as I put two feet in the door, security comes up.
You gotta follow me.
I'm like, I don't understand what's going on.
What do you guys want?
They said, there's been someone here.
There was someone at a previous event that looks kind of like you.
That house caused some trouble, so we just need to make sure if it's you or not.
I've never been to Iran.
I'm not overly a political person.
I'm not involved in any political efforts.
I'm here because I enjoy the process and I want to learn.
Is this a racist thing because you're Asian and they said you look like somebody else?
I don't know.
I didn't take it that way, but it's weird, isn't it?
It's such an odd thing to say.
And I literally said to him, really?
Because it didn't comprehend.
We are in Iowa at Iran.
It's not a huge, diverse crowd.
Um, I don't think that if there was other people protesting or causing problems, I feel like the news would have heard about it.
Someone would have heard about it.
So what happened?
You know, they checked if you're coming, you'd pre-registered, you step in, the security comes and intercepts you.
What happened then?
And they're like, and they're asking me questions like, who are you?
I give my name.
And then while he's talking to me, we have to make sure if this is you or not, he takes a picture of me, sends it to some guy, I guess.
And then 15 seconds later, sorry, you got to leave.
This is a private event.
I said, no, I have a ticket.
You guys confirmed I was coming and you guys actually called me.
And they're like, no, actually it's a private event.
And if you stay, this is trespassing.
I said, this doesn't make any sense.
You guys asked me to be here.
And he said, no, it's a private event.
We can make this a problem.
We can call the police, but really you got to go.
So I'm not trying to, I'm not there to cause problems.
So I left, I went to the restaurant next door that's attached and the security guard says you can't be here either because we're the same building and if they don't let you in we can't let you in and they kicked me out of there.
Unbelievable.
It's unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
Alright, would you come back for a longer discussion of the things you've found on your trip and what you do with your podcast?
Of course, I'd love to.
Right, because he's right.
This guy isn't a political beast.
He just asks really good questions.
And that is the art of good content provision.
So check him out right now.
The Twitter account is MattKim009, and the podcast is MattKimPodcast.com.
All right, stay safe out there, my friend.
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Listen to him.
He's with us.
Here's a question.
Let's go to the second quietest person on my team.
A very polite individual.
Mr. Alex, are you there?
Yes, sir.
Here's a question for you.
Should a president always be presidential?
Or, when the situation is so dire, Can he use salty language?
Yeah, I think so.
All right.
Here's the president in Iowa who loves America and loves this city, Washington, D.C., and, well, he just spoke truthfully about it.
Cut 13.
I'm also going to indemnify all police officers and law enforcement officers throughout the United States to protect them from being destroyed by the radical left for taking strong action on crime.
We're going to stop crime in our country.
And we will take over the horribly run capital of our nation.
Horribly run.
We have a capital that we all love.
Right now it's a rat infested, graffiti infested, Yeah.
Harsh, but fair.
And if you look at what happened at the weekend, this is incredible.
We have the fence line of the White House breached by pro-terrorist, pro-Hamas demonstrators.
How is this not an insurrection?
So when it happens and President Trump is in the White House, it gets laughed off.
But when Biden is in the White House, it's what?
Doesn't matter?
Does matter?
Because they're Democrats?
Let's go to Brent, our friend in Los Angeles.
Greetings great MAGA Musketeer Gorka!
MAGA Musketeer, I like that.
Alright, give us your contribution for today's program on MLK Day.
Well, while Republicans, conservatives, and godly Americans all honor and respect Martin Luther King today, All rabidly racist KKK, Antifa, Hollywood, Harvard, BLM bigots are loudly and proudly, posthumously lynching Reverend Martin Luther King by voting for Biden's democracy of barbarians, which has currently butchered over 19 million black American babies at their Margaret Sanger Democrat death camps, three times more than Hitler's Holocaust.
And history and humanity will identify 2024 Democrats as the true heart of darkness, hate, and horror, which Christians and Jews for centuries have been working so lovingly to cancel.
Yeah, we need to remember this every single day.
One more statistic, my friend.
Four out of ten, Of every black birth in America, four out of ten black babies are killed in the womb.
Who are the bigots?
Yeah, you named it.
The people building the Margaret Sanger Planned Parenthood genocide centers.
God bless you, Brent.
It is MLK Day.
What are the lessons for true manhood, for leadership on this day?
That's next on The Manhood Hour.
With me, Sebastian Gawker.
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We'll be back after these messages.
Thank you for watching.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and be a better place.
And that we will live out the true meaning of its dreams.
you We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.
I have a dream, that one day on the red hills of Georgia, sons of former slaves and sons of former slave owners, Will they be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood?
I have a dream.
My four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.
I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, and every hill and mountain shall
be made low, and the rough places shall be made plain, and the crooked places shall be
straight, and the poor of the Lord shall be revealed, and all the saints shall see it
again.
It sounds a little trite.
Cliched, but I think it is justified, especially on this day, to ask the question, where are the great men?
Where are the leaders?
Is it simply a crisis that is required?
Will hard times create great men?
I'm delighted to have a good friend of the show who is with us always every Friday to discuss national security issues, foreign policy issues, and has been a loyal friend of the show and personally, who during our discussion on Friday said, you know, we need to go a little bit deeper into what the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr.
It's great to be with you.
And you know, it is a great day to talk about what makes for great leaders and why do they bring about transformational change and what makes them unique and important.
Barnaul Institute. Jim, welcome. It's great to be with you and you know it is a great day to talk
about what makes for great leaders and why do they bring about transformational change and what makes
them unique and important and how do we distinguish them from the fraudsters and the grifters.
Let's start with that.
As a graduate of West Point, let's do the basics, the 101.
What do they share with you?
When you're there, you're a young man.
Where do the basics, the 101 of leadership begin?
Well, you know, the first thing that I always try to get folks to really focus on is the difference between characteristics and character.
Okay.
And so many people think great leadership is about The flamboyance of it.
The patterns.
Because he has pro handled things.
Obama because he's debonair.
MacArthur because he had a corncob pipe.
The trappings.
And these are very superficial things.
And they're important if you're watching movie characters or whether you like a Beyonce concert.
But they don't tell you about what makes a leader great.
Part of what makes a leader great is character.
And that's not characteristics.
I remember in the army, people would say, well, I'm going to be a great leader because I'm going to emulate this general or that general.
And what they're emulating is kind of these superficial things.
And not to get political, but when you see like a Vivek Ramaswamy on the campaign trail, and he's, I'm going to be great.
So he kind of emulates Donald Trump.
Well, that's kind of very superficial.
Right.
Because those are characteristics.
It's not, it's leadership doesn't come from style.
Right, and so it makes for a great leader.
And when we talk about the element of character, it's very simply, it's doing the right thing for the right reasons.
And if you think about this hierarchy, if you want to start with national leadership, it's, you know, what's best for the nation, you know, what's best for, you know, things.
And then as you cascade my political party, my presidency, my goal, the last thing on the list is What's best for Sebastian Gorka?
Right?
And it is, the truly great leaders are selfless leaders in the sense that they are putting
them all out there.
Now there's lots of people that say that, but they're not really practicing that.
When Taylor Swift says, I'm there for my fans, she's not really there for fans, right?
She's really there—I mean, she doesn't hate her fans.
You know, when they had a big concert and it got super hot and everything, she canceled the concert, got people water or whatever, right?
OK, but that doesn't mean she's there—that's OK, because But that's about her image, right?
She's not there for the fact.
And so it's this distinction between characteristics and character that matters so much.
And so Martin Luther King's a great exemplar.
You know, we listen to the speech and the soaring rhetoric and, you know, the kind of preacher-like attitude and we say, oh my God, that makes Martin Luther King this large.
But no, it was the underlying character of My life, my marriage, my congregation, my friends, my family, my children, everything is subordinated to this greater mission of serving all Americans, right?
Because dealing with the issue of race in America was not just about So black people could sit at a lunch counter.
It was healing all of America, serving all of us, leaving us all better off.
And so it's that underlying character that really distinguishes true leadership.
And let's talk about the 25 years you had in uniform.
How does that translate in practice?
Beyond, you know, you're the officer, so you're the last guy in the chow line, and you make sure your guys eat first.
Talk to us about how that translates in practice.
You know what?
So, for example, at West Point, when they said, well, we have an honor code, you don't lie, cheat, or steal, right?
But why do people lie, cheat, or steal?
Well, it's to better themselves.
you know, get myself out of trouble, right?
And it's just beating that basic thing of, no, no, no, no, no, it's not about you, dude.
It's about the people that are ahead of you.
So yeah, so for example, watching Band of Brothers, okay, and everybody knows the famous first episode
And everybody knows the famous first episode of Band of Brothers with the guy from Friends,
of Band of Brothers with the guy from Friends, right?
right?
David Shriver.
David Shrimer.
Right, who played, well, what's really interesting is if you're watching it as a guy
Well, what's really interesting is if you're watching as a guy who knows the basics of
who knows the basics of leadership, One of the interesting things is,
leadership, one of the interesting things is watch the number of scenes where all of
his soldiers are in helmets and backpacks and uniforms, and David Shrimer's wearing
a leather jacket and a garrison cap, right?
So a leader is going to be in the same clothing as his men.
He's going to do the same things as his men.
So these are all kind of symbolic of this notion of underlying of selfless service,
which I do think is the mark of great leaders at all levels.
I've been working on this thing.
If anybody hasn't read this, you should go over.
It's the death of Captain Wasco.
So this is an incredibly famous piece that Ernie Pyle wrote during World War II of the death of an obscure captain that nobody had ever heard of on the side of a mountainside in Italy.
But it captured all this attention because When they brought Wasco's body down from the mountainside,
the soldiers that walked up to the body to touch it or pray or speak to it, because Wasco was the real thing.
He had commanded these men from training camp in the United States all the way through North Africa in the Italian
campaign, and he was a beloved officer.
He was competent.
But he always looked after his men, including one time he threatened to cook with a .45
on Thanksgiving dinner if he didn't show up with turkey and cranberry for the troops.
I've got so many questions to ask.
When you're studying this, how do you learn this?
Is it by seeing other people lead?
Is it case studies?
Is it history?
Is it in practice?
What have been the most effective ways you absorbed the lessons of others' good leadership?
Yeah, you know, I think that is a great question.
And, you know, of course, at West Point, you know, we spend an innumerable amount of time teaching leadership.
And I really think, you know, it's like most things is you can have an educational knowledge and somebody can tell you something, but until you live that in real life and that is put into practice, it doesn't really bang, you know, really make sense to you.
So there's so many things at West Point that people would talk about, and I would go, oh yeah, and everything, but really for me, It's when you pair that operational experience with that kind of, whether it's a educational grounding or a faith-based grounding or teachings from your parents or whatever, when you pair those kind of, the teaching and the doing together, that's what really brings life lessons home.
And so for me, you know, it's easy to say selfless service, get all that other things, but watching leaders in action.
and which ones moved the ball and which ones didn't and what made the difference.
I worked for two generals who were both hated by most people because they were really hard
guys and they were tough on me.
But I worked close with both of them personally.
We'll hear about the two tough guys, leaders you worked for.
We talked to Jim Carafano, Senior Counsel to the President of the Heritage Foundation.
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When you enjoy some kind of intellectual product, a TV show, a book, a radio show that goes
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It's to meet the person behind it, right?
When I finally met One of the greats, one of the men I looked up to, Colin Gray, who as a Brit had worked in the Reagan administration in the National Security Council.
That for me is, you know, once you get to ask your own questions in person, then it's much more fun than just somebody whose books you're reading or whose voice is coming out of a radio.
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So you were saying you worked for some tough gentlemen, some tough generals.
It takes me back to my time.
I was in the same school for 14 years, which is pretty unusual.
And the teacher I look back on most fondly was my Latin master, who was the strictest guy in the class.
But did we study and did he get us squared away?
Yes.
So tell us about the people you worked for.
No, that's the point.
It's delivering.
The most important generals in my life were two of the most difficult bosses I ever had, but they were just fantastic.
And they actually... Describe difficult, because some people may think they're ornery or whatever.
I mean, they were just... I remember one time this guy was briefing at this staff meeting, and the guy who was a colonel was just hammering this guy with questions, and the guy got so flustered He fainted and fell through a... An officer?
Yeah, he fainted and fell through a glass cabin and actually cut his arm while they were going to the hospital.
Because he was just being asked questions he didn't have answers for?
The point is, if you can't handle the pressure, that's not somebody that's going to work for me.
But the interesting thing is, I worked with another guy for them who wound up becoming the Army Chief of Staff.
who was also an incredibly extraordinary leader.
The nicest, kindest, gentlest man you'd ever want.
But the point was, okay, he was a kind, gentle, honorable man, and he was incredibly effective
These guys were Darth Vader.
But the fact is, in their core, they all shared the same thing.
They put the needs of the nation first, they put the needs of the serviced first, they put the needs of the unit first, and they put themselves last.
The other thing that I think where we get this wrong is this notion about somehow great leaders have to be godlike, right?
And perfect, right?
And part of the... When have they ever been?
That's absurd, right?
artificiality of this kind of Obama-esque thing, for example, which is it's all, it
is literally all fairy dust and paper, is not only is he not a great leader and far
from perfect, but this intense effort to disguise all the flaws, because somehow that makes
him a better leader, if we just hide this from you.
Isn't it true that some of the greatest leaders, like Churchill, were behind the scenes flawed
men?
Exactly.
We are all flawed.
Some of us in serious ways.
You bring up Martin Luther King.
I mean, Martin Luther King's actually a very good example.
He had personal flaws, including he was not faithful to his wife.
And that put a lot of hardship on his wife and his family.
And it also put himself at risk to things like blackmail and other things, including from the U.S.
government.
But this is the reality.
You know, famously had, you know, lots of affairs.
I mean... Is there any magic formula?
Because, you know, you've been inside the Beltway long enough.
Is there a kind of, okay, as long as they produce for all of us what they do, you know, after dark, behind closed doors, is there some kind of, you know, caesura, where you just separate this from that?
No, I mean, I think... Is there a formula?
Well, first of all, I think people have to be held accountable for their...
Yeah.
But do we care about what Bill Clinton is doing with an intern in the Oval?
Is that a mark of character that should matter?
accountability for that so I mean it was an issue in let's face it that FDR never really faced because it was never
exposed because it was an open secret everybody knew about nobody cared
same thing with with JFK it was just but but the reality is is if they were held to account for that do you take
accountability for that instead of saying I never had sexual relations with that
woman Bill Clinton obviously didn't and the other thing is which
is which is important is do you do you pervert your your job right to cover up
right so do you like did Martin Luther King steal money from the church funds?
That's kind of beyond the pale.
But I do think you also held accountable.
I mean, look, let's be honest.
I think particularly men in power, if you're having sexual relations
with other people outside of marriage, particularly if you're a person of power,
the fact that you are a powerful person, That cannot but help to impact that relationship.
The notion that Bill Clinton having sex with an intern, even if the intern was perfectly willing, the notion that that could be a fair... This is wrong.
That's not a partnership of equals.
Right.
I think we all do things that are wrong.
If you're caught, man up and be accountable for what you do.
And also, when you're doing wrong, understand the consequences of what you're doing.
Can I live with that?
So there are things, I think, that are beyond the pale.
So yeah, but it's the reality of the world in which we live.
But I don't think anybody gets a pass for doing wrong.
But if your notion is a great leader is somebody who does no wrong, then nobody is going to be great.
That doesn't mean you don't strive for greatness and to deal with human weaknesses and failings as best we can.
I mean, Winston Churchill, for example, was a functioning alcoholic.
It's not a moral flaw.
It was an addiction.
It's an addiction that he had, but it's an addiction that he never let get in the way of getting the job done.
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Now, what was it?
Until recently, you could graduate from West Point with an engineering degree or a history degree, right?
So, when I went there, we had something called the core curriculum, which was you had to take kind of a little bit of everything.
Nice, good.
So, you didn't actually rely to like have a major.
Oh, right.
So, that's a... That's when the Diplodocuses were roaming the earth, right?
Right, right, right.
A fair time ago.
Yeah, so now, it's more like a traditional college in the sense that you can have majors and...
Nevertheless, you have written numerous works of history, so let me ask you a question of historical context to the Manhood Hour, to MLK Day, and to the question of, where are the great leaders?
And we'll talk about the fraudsters next, but here's my question.
There are these theories, the great men theory, then there's the question of, or the theory that we've had it too good, we get too soft, and it's all about me, me, me.
Where do you stand on the paucity of leaders?
Especially in this city.
What's Jim Carufano's theory on why we are where we are today?
Is it because we won the Cold War?
What is it?
Yeah, it's like do men and women make the times or do the times make?
Well, so this is a great thing and then the Martin Luther King Day is a perfect time to discuss that because You know, the speech that you played at the beginning of the hour, this iconic speech on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, which literally I think every American alive today would instantly recognize that speech.
And so the question is, why?
And this gets to the point is, leadership is about Rhetoric and action.
It's talking and walking the talk.
There's a reason why that speech is unforgettable.
Because he led a movement that changed America and led to the success of the Civil Rights Movement in the United States.
Nobody would remember FDR's speech about the Day of Infamy if we hadn't gone off and won and fought World War II.
Nobody would remember Reagan's speech about tear down that wall if the wall wasn't torn
down.
Obama made a very important political speech in, I think it was Egypt, you know, speaking
to the Islamic world.
Nobody in America could tell you the date, the content, or a word from that speech, because
it was all just talk.
Nothing happened after that.
And so this is— So it's a match of the two.
Right.
I think that's right.
And they're historic, right, but they also—they deliver.
And that, I think, is really a true— So to try and force you into answering the question, is it
because, therefore, leadership has devolved into looking good and packaging?
Well, this is a problem with Washington, D.C., right?
Having somebody who's been in the city for decades, most people that come to Washington, D.C.
morph into whatever the city wants, right?
What is that?
Explain what that sentence means.
It's whatever gets you to the cocktail parties.
You've got to fit in.
There's very few people, and those are people who don't really know why they've come here.
Why are you in Washington D.C.?
Because I got to be rich or whatever.
There's people who come here And there are already people of character who know who they
are and what they're trying to do.
They don't change. They're the same people that they were when they came here.
And Washington usually doesn't like them.
Right. You know, I'm thinking like, you know, you know, Rand Paul, who I don't agree with on lots of things is a
great example. I think Rand Paul is an extraordinary principled person of character because
he came here with a mission. He's maintained true to that mission. He doesn't morph into what the city
wants. He's the guy that did that.
I think it's one of the reasons that attracted Donald Trump to a lot of people. It's, you know,
people would say, oh, well, once these are people who actually don't know Trump at all. Well, once
That's the.
Once they pick a candidate, Trump will move to the center.
Once he's elected, Trump will... Well, no, of course not, right?
Because Trump has always been authentically who he is and never shifted from that.
Who else?
I'm curious.
Give me some other names.
Would you put Newt Gingrich in that category?
True to himself.
Give me some other names of people who didn't get infected by the swamp.
Yeah, well obviously Ronald Reagan is probably the penultimate example of somebody who came here as a person of character and never shifted and never changed.
It's not just about politics.
It's also, for example, in the military.
Are you the same leader of character when you were a second lieutenant than you are when you're a three-star general?
Or in the business world, are you the same person of character that you went when you started a startup and now that you're a multi-billion dollar country?
The other thing about leadership, and this is really important, is leadership is actually not about the leader.
It's about a relationship between a person and the person who is going to work with other people to get things done.
And I think this, and this was kind of part of the training at West Point, which I think was maybe the most profound, that this notion that this is a, this is transactional, right?
So how do you do that, right?
Is it about just giving people what they want, which is truly being a populist, right?
Which isn't really leading.
No.
It's about wanting something that nobody else is gonna do, right, so you're this kind of lone voice.
Okay, that's not leading either, because you're just a...
On the fringe.
Or is it about mobilizing people to get things done in the common good?
And that's real leadership, and it is different, right?
And this is, so it's interesting, you can be very...
Hold that there, hold that there.
I've got some big questions regarding that.
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I support the President's decision.
Do you have regrets about their withdrawal or how the withdrawal occurred from Afghanistan that cost the lives of 13 of our service members?
I don't have any regrets.
You don't have any regrets.
Secretary Austin, this is very telling.
Secretary Austin, has there ever been any accountability for anyone within the Department of Defense for the deadly, botched, and embarrassing withdrawal from Afghanistan?
Any accountability?
Hey, listen, our troops evacuated 124,000 people off that airfield.
Has anyone been held accountable?
If a Navy captain grounded a ship, what happens immediately?
Typically, that captain is removed.
That captain is removed.
Has anyone been held accountable for what happened in Afghanistan?
To my knowledge, no.
You don't regret it?
No one's ever been held accountable?
Mr. Chairman, this is why this Republican majority must provide the accountability that this administration wants to sweep under the rug with what happened in Afghanistan.
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Jim, when we discussed this, so we've just finished the segment talking about what it means to be a leader, not to get sucked into what this city wants from you or what.
What the blob, the swamp wants from you.
And then I played that clip for you.
You got very, very head up on Friday.
And then when you opened at the beginning of the hour, you contrasted what it means to be a leader and a great man.
You used the phrase, the fraudsters.
Talk to us about the fraudsters.
Where are the men of honor?
What happened?
Talk to us about that Secretary of Defense saying he has no regrets.
I think this is a good point, because this is where people often get tripped up.
Because since leadership is transactional, it changes from environment to environment.
So there are some people who are brilliant leaders.
It doesn't matter where you put them.
You put them in business, they're very successful.
You put them in the military, they're very successful.
You put them in educators, they're very successful.
There are some people who are Awesome generals and then there are horrible politicians or they're terrific businessmen but you put them in government and they're just a mess, right?
So that's, you know, different skill sets, different things.
But it's this notion of this transactionality of how do I get people to the right place to do the right thing where you can really get tripped up because it gets back to the issue of character.
It's what are the right thing and how do I get there?
And for some people it's just too easy to make compromises.
And the fraudsters and the grifters, and I'll just be frank, and I'm not a political person, I'm not a Democrat, I'm not a Republican.
Joe Biden is a grifter.
Joe Biden has always been about Joe Biden, and it's always been about making money for Joe Biden.
And he's one of these—he's almost a hoarder.
He's a hoarder of cash and power, right?
He wants to be comfortable.
He doesn't want to pay for anything.
He wants life to be easy.
And he has convinced himself in his brain that public service is his path It's something for him.
And that...
It's something for him.
Right.
But the fact that there's actually no public service in his public service.
That his public service is really about him and his world.
And his...
He's ingrained in his belief to this.
But this is the Faustian pact, right?
That maybe 40 years ago he thought he was doing good.
I'll give you another good example, which is a really interesting case, which is George Wallace, right?
George Wallace didn't start out as a raging racist.
George Wallace started out as something very different in politics.
His path to power was in making political alliances with the radical, racist parts of the state and his path to power.
And it even brought him into a presidential campaign.
But if you look at At George Wallace, late in life, he recognized that he has sold his soul to the devil, and he did much to try to recant much of that, right?
And that's the part where, you know, here's the thing I always say is, whether you know if you're ethical or not, Your ethics are really... when you listen to that little voice deep down inside, is this right or wrong?
And if the little voice deep down inside says, it's wrong, Seb, then you have reached a moral crossroad.
Or if you're, not to be crude or anything, but if you're like an Obama or an AOC, they're way past that.
They'll never have that moral dilemma because they don't have that capacity of self-evaluation and self-listening.
People who are morally grounded are going to know if they've done something.
It doesn't mean that you won't do it.
But you're going to say, you're going to acknowledge, I will be held accountable for that regardless of the consequences.
Or you're going to say, I know this is not the right thing and I'm not going to do this.
And that's just the reality of it.
And it is this.
It is deep down inside.
I go through all this time with young people that come to me and say, hey, I got this job.
I got this other job.
And my advice is always the same.
Listen to the voice deep down inside because that's the honest voice.
And of course, I don't know if you did this deliberately, but for those who aren't familiar, because it has been memory hold since the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr.
The man who killed him, James Earl Ray, was of course a George Wallace campaign volunteer, so there is a connection there.
So the lesson here is, unless you are, I mean, a clinical psychotic, that voice inside, you need to listen to that voice.
Right, and this is where I think the responsibility of the teacher, the parent, the faith leader really comes in because that inculcates the foundation of who you are.
I mean, when I went to West Point, I used to laugh, they had duty honor country, I'm like, And because that was my household.
That was the way I got it.
I didn't learn duty on a country.
That's what I went there and they say duty on a country.
I'm like, yeah, what else?
I got that from my parents.
But this goes back to the response.
This is why when you say what's wrong with people in the screwed up times is when you have a teacher who
is inculcating you with a political agenda as opposed to forcing you to think
and to look at fundamental questions and make choices.
Of course you're going to be screwed up.
I mean of course you're going to be a debt case and you're going to think that crazy wacky things are just fine.
But that's why the role models are so very important, the mentors, everybody.
Everybody who I know who's successful has that mentor, has that role model, doesn't matter whether it's a football coach or a certain teacher at school or an uncle, these things are absolutely crucial.
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Jim, you know...
You have that historic perspective.
I don't want to put you on the spot, but have we become so soft, so self-centered, so me, me, me, me, me, social media, the fraudsters, the grifters, as you say.
Is it going to take a wall for us to come back to some kind of sense of values?
So, we all kind of look back to the greatest generation, and we say, that's the gold standard, right?
These are the most incredible people that did unbelievably amazing things, not only during the war, but then, remember, they came back and built the world's premier economy, they put a man on the moon, I mean, they just did unbelievable things.
They dealt with really difficult issues, like race relations.
I mean, truly a successful generation, if ever there was one.
So when I was reading a lot of diaries and letters and stuff of guys that fought in World War II, the interesting thing is right after Pearl Harbor, many of the first thoughts of many young men and women who volunteered for service was, can we do this?
Because their frame of reference was World War I. I said, OK, that was their parents.
They hadn't been at war.
Most of these kids grew up in the Depression.
They lived through terrible times.
America was a horrible, terrible place for a lot of them.
And they were like, are we up for this?
There was enormous self-doubt.
And I think it's kind of hard for us to wrap our heads around that many of the people like the Band of Brothers, these were not guys, oh, yeah, we're going to go off and win this.
They had a lot of self-doubt.
So I think every generation has the potential to be great.
I mean, I look at, I think, post-911, where look at the number of people that knew they
were going to war, without a doubt, stepped up and volunteered to go fight in very, very
terrible places.
Look at Ukraine.
Or look at the people in 9-11 who knew they were going to die, who ran into buildings.
Yeah, but look at Ukraine.
Look at a country that has the odds.
Nobody in Vegas has given them odds, and people that threw a uniform on.
And what do they all have in common, and the difference between them and people like in Russia where they drag people out of prison and send them to the front, is they have freedom.
And at the end, if you've inculcated with a basic level of freedom that people do have
the capacity to make these choices about, not just about how they can flourish in good
times, but how they can deal with adversity in bad times.
So I am optimistic.
That's the lesson.
Our liberty gives us the option to show the world what our values are.
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