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	As expected, what happened two days ago in the Colorado Supreme Court was not a bunch of crazies in one Supreme Court.
	As expected, what happened two days ago in the Colorado Supreme Court was not a bunch of crazies
	in one Supreme Court. It is spreading across the land. It was a trial run for making it possible
	to block Americans from choosing the de facto leader of the opposition and vote for him
	after more than three years of a disastrous Biden presidency.
	How do I know this?
	This woman is Eleni Kounalakis, Lieutenant Governor of California.
	Not Colorado.
	California.
	And she made it official on CNN.
	Cut to.
	You know we are in uncharted territory in our country and the decision out of Colorado is a very significant fact.
	When the Supreme Court of Colorado determines in an examination of the facts that Donald Trump is an insurrectionist and therefore is disqualified from being on the ballot, certainly here in California we have to look at that information and make the same determination here.
	We have to make that same determination.
	Not A jury, but judges unilaterally.
	Remember, President Trump may be facing four sets of indictments, more than 700 years in prison, but no one has even charged him with insurrection, let alone found him guilty.
	No, no, no, no.
	Just a handful of left-wing Democrat judges have said, he is an insurrectionist.
	When I was a child, growing up in England, there was a very popular comic book character.
	The comic book was 2000 AD, and the most famous character, you may have heard of him because Sylvester Stallone made a very bad movie under this title, a much better one was made by Carl Urban not too long ago, was Judge Dredd.
	Judge Dredd was set in the future, in a dystopian megacity where there were no courts, There were no judicial separations of power.
	There were only police officers called judges.
	And the famous thing about this system was that the police officer was both judge and jury, and when necessary, executioner.
	You've heard me discuss in the last three weeks the normalization of assassination.
	What Victor Davis Hanson has called assassination porn.
	What that very sober journalist Molly Hemingway has called assassination info prep.
	Preparing Americans for the idea of assassinating the leader of the opposition.
	When you have the editorial board of the New York Times on the same weekend as a whole issue of the Atlantic is dedicated to President Trump, the dictator, and the Washington Post publish a 5,300-word article by Robert Kagan, who, if you're not familiar with him, I am not surprised, but Robert Kagan is celebrated as one of the great brains of the left.
	His wife being none other than Victoria Newland, a propagator of the Russia hoax and a chief engineer of the orange color revolutions across Central and Eastern Europe.
	When Robert Kagan, the son of Donald Kagan, the historian, writes a 5,000 word piece on Donald Trump's second term as dictator and calls him Caesar, Well, we know what happened to Caesar, don't we?
	You don't have to be Victor Davis Hanson or Donald Kagan.
	You don't have to be a classicist, a professor of history.
	Caesar, perhaps one of the greatest leaders of the Western world, yes, albeit in antiquity,
	on the 15th of March 44 BC, in the Senate, by his fellow politicians, was stabbed 31
	times.
	The Democrats have made it quite clear what needs to happen to President Trump.
	The summer of our first term in the White House, God willing, if we do our part, Shakespeare
	in the Park, the theatre company from New York, showed the play Julius Caesar by Shakespeare
	every night for months.
	How did they dress the actor playing the Roman Emperor?
	He wore a solid blue suit.
	Not a toga.
	There was nothing historic about it.
	It was a modern rendition of the play.
	He wore a solid blue suit, a white shirt and a red tie.
	Oh, and if you weren't clear, a blonde wig.
	They made him look like the then President of the United States.
	And every night, He was stabbed 31 times, covered in fake blood, and the people cheered.
	Conservatives in the audience filmed the ecstatic paroxysms, the orgasmic cheers.
	As an effigy of President Trump who was sacrificially assassinated night after night after night and twice on Saturdays.
	What we've witnessed in the last seven years, to use a legal term, is a fact pattern.
	From Operation Crossfire Hurricane, the first tri-agency secret operation to surveil a presidential campaign, to the Russia Steel Dossier hoax, to the Mueller probe, to the assaults on the civil rights of Mike Flynn, Pat Carter Page, George Papadopoulos, Stephen Bannon, Peter Navarro, to Impeachment 1, Impeachment 2, the raid on Mar-a-Lago, the Alvin Bragg indictments, the Fannie Willis indictments, Judge Chutkan, Special Prosecutor Jack Smith, Judge Engeron, and now the Colorado Supreme Court.
	Wow!
	Just think of that one chain of events I just listed for you.
	What is all of that about?
	Donald Trump wasn't a dictator.
	He's already been president!
	He didn't deploy the FBI to Obama's home to ransack it like they did at Mar-a-Lago.
	We didn't send out agents of the state to arrest deputies to Obama at Reagan Airport, put them in leg shackles, strip search them, and then put them in Hinkley's old cell at FBI headquarters.
	Biden did that!
	Merrick Garland did that.
	Christopher Wray did that.
	If there is an authoritarian regime in America, it is now, and you are living under it.
	Hundreds of people arrested for what?
	Walking through the velvet ropes on January 6th.
	A police officer guns down an unarmed woman, a 14-year Air Force veteran.
	Her name is Ashley Babbitt, and he gets an award?
	We are living in a police state, and they want to keep it a police state.
	And how do they do that when President Trump is trouncing the incumbent in every poll across the nation, when he's 57 points above any challenger on the right?
	They remove him from the ballot.
	Or they do worse.
	Mark my words, my friends.
	You thought 2023 was insane?
	It's gonna get a lot worse.
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	It's politics.
	Do we talk about it before Christmas?
	We have to!
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	It's the conservative juggernaut Breitbart and their Washington bureau chief, the one, the only, Matt Boyle.
	Merry Christmas!
	Merry Christmas, Dr. G. Glad to be here, as always.
	So let's do a little bit of a review.
	As a political observer, as a writer of the best analyses on what happens on Capitol Hill, as a conservative, what would you say about, let's talk about the Speaker first.
	We had this shock to the system, Matt Gaetz dropped the Speakership, hand grenade, now we've got Johnson.
	How do you think MAGA voters look at the new speakership of the last couple of months.
	Well, look, I think that to start on this, MAGA voters want to see results, right?
	So that is the most important thing.
	And thus far they've been scant, right?
	So changing who the Speaker is didn't change the vote math.
	Now, in that you've got a slim Republican majority and the Democrats have the Senate and the White House.
	But the fact is, is that I do think there's a lot of hope for Speaker Johnson.
	going into next year. So a lot of what had to happen at the end of this year has been cleaning
	up the mistakes and whatnot of the past. So, you know, they had to get the government funding thing
	lined up, then they had to do the NDAA. And so there's a lot of hope going into next year
	that maybe he starts, as he gets kind of his sea legs a little bit here in the position,
	that maybe he starts throwing his weight around as the Speaker of the House and really sticking
	up for the working class folks.
	I have this interesting story that I just put up on Breitbart earlier today that walks through all these different coalitions and caucuses in Congress and all the median income in all their districts.
	And it's really interesting that the swampiest of the swampiest, right, like of the, you know, the Bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus or the Establishment Republican Tuesday Group or the Democrats, the New Democrat Coalition or whatever, those guys all have the highest median income average across their congressional districts.
	And the lowest ones are like the Anti-Woke Caucus, the Republican Study Committee, and the Congressional Black Caucus and the Congressional Hispanic Caucus.
	Interestingly, Speaker Johnson's district is one of the lowest average median incomes of any congressional district out of all 435 in America.
	I think it's like in the bottom 10, right?
	Like of all across the country.
	So this is a guy who's kind of had to get used to the position.
	So now okay, he's been in there for a couple months, we've seen how it's gone.
	Hopefully now when we turn the corner and we go into next year, he's had enough time in the position that he really starts aggressively delivering.
	And I think there's a lot of hope for that.
	But again, at the end of the day, people are going to measure it based off of the results or not.
	And thus far we haven't had many.
	Let's talk about those results.
	If we haven't had enough, what will the MAGA base, because it will be a presidential election year, what will they be expecting in 2024?
	We look at the eight months before Johnson and the Hunter Biden results are incredibly pathetic letters.
	Nothing much more than that.
	Letters fired off to the DOJ, to the White House.
	Then under Johnson, what do we have?
	What was it last week?
	Was it last week?
	I think last week or this week.
	Hunter Biden gets a lawful subpoena and what happens?
	He's in breach of it.
	He actually admits to committing a crime on the steps of Congress and says, no, I will not comply with this subpoena and holds a press statement over it.
	So what do you think will be the minimum That whether it's oversight, whether it's weaponization, what will these committees have to produce for Trump voters to say, okay, finally the GOP gets it?
	Yeah, look, I don't think anybody is under any illusion that they would expect that the U.S.
	Senate would convict Joe Biden on an impeachment that the House would pass.
	So what they need to do is they need to do what the left did to us, right?
	Like for the last several years, they need to use the process and the power that they have to inform the American public.
	Look, the big tech in the media covered up the Hunter Biden laptop in the lead up to the 2020 election.
	We know that now.
	We know that people's votes would have changed had they known these facts that were on it.
	So what they need to do is they need to use the process of impeachment.
	It was very positive to see them do an impeachment inquiry vote, right?
	So that was a good thing and it passed unanimously with Republicans in the House.
	That's a good step.
	Now they need to use the process here.
	So on the Hunter Biden question, There needs to be a criminal referral.
	That's what they did to Steve Bannon.
	That's what they did to other people for totally ridiculous subpoenas.
	This is a totally legitimate subpoena of Hunter Biden.
	Where is the criminal referral to the U.S.
	Attorney for the District of Columbia for the failure to comply with a lawfully issued congressional subpoena?
	Right?
	And where is the criminal prosecution for that, right?
	So those are steps that I think we need to see.
	And then as for the deliverables, look, I've been a little bit encouraged over the course of these immigration slash Ukraine negotiations, in that I do think that the Republicans are trying on immigration, and I'll give them a little bit of credit, and I saw a move by Speaker Johnson today, where he finally brought the heat directly to the President, and he laid out several steps that President Joe Biden should be taken.
	They don't need to be negotiating with Mayorkas or with Democrat senators.
	They need to go negotiate directly with Joe Biden.
	That's Speaker Johnson's job.
	He's the Speaker of the House.
	He needs to go directly to the President, right into the Oval Office, and say, Mr. President, This is what you're gonna do, right? Like and he needs to
	go right at the guy and if he does that He's gonna be successful. So it was a little bit of a
	promising move today. So it's not all bad news with Speaker Johnson
	There's some good there's some bad and I think there's some learning on the job here
	So I think that hopefully as time develops here and moves on he's gonna get better at this and he's gonna learn how
	to do it And again, knowing where he comes from in that very poor Louisiana district, I think is going to keep that in mind, Mr. Speaker.
	Don't get surrounded by the swamp too much.
	Don't let the swamp creatures whisper in your ear.
	We're talking to the Washington Bureau Chief of Breitbart.com, following him at Truth Social at Real Matt Boyle.
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	Yeah, definitely.
	And then we'll talk a little bit about Colorado first.
	Yep, definitely.
	I've got her two most recent books, Dr. G, so I've already got that image.
	What's the other book?
	Let me give you a second...
	Sponsored books...
	Black Eye for America...
	No, we'll just do the other one.
	She wants to push that one, The Adversity of Diversity.
	Copy that.
	And then come in with...
	Cut seven.
	Come in with cut seven.
	Copy that.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	I'll I'll
	I'll I'll
	Right.
	I'll come in with seven.
	I'll do my pillow.
	Then I'll tee up Ron DeSantis.
	Cut four.
	Cut four.
	And then we'll get Matt's reaction.
	Copy that.
	Play me cut 8 again.
	I'm going to go ahead and close the app.
	...anti-democratic actions that were taken against the United States of America since Fort Sumter.
	And the very people that continue to support that insurrection and promise us if Donald Trump's elected again, he's going to jail his opponents, he's going to assassinate generals, he's going to ban media outlets that he disagrees with, these are the people that are now preaching about anti-democratic Uh, uh, amendments to the Constitution of the United States as they fall on their fainting couches and are triggered that somebody may actually apply the Constitution to the facts at hand on an insurrection that Donald Trump inspired, that he led, that he was responsible for.
	And again, so many of these people are serving jail time and Donald Trump's not for one simple reason.
	Because unlike Donald Trump, they are not rich and powerful.
	Oh, do we have the long version now of Tucker?
	Yeah, that's what I was just brought in, sorry.
	Yes, show me the second half.
	Look, I believe he incited the insurrection.
	There were big questions around Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, and the Colorado Supreme Court has weighed in, in a very loud way, making themselves clear.
	Frankly, we've never had a president try to steal the presidency and engage in insurrection ever before.
	So Trump's actions are unprecedented.
	The Colorado Supreme Court confirmed that the district court got it right, that he did engage in insurrection.
	I think Section 3 of the 14th Amendment has to apply to the presidency because if not, it's a get out of jail free card.
	And in a country of laws where no man is above another, we can't have one office be able to do whatever they want when it comes to rebellion and then be able to be seated in office again.
	None of this seems very American.
	All of it looks like the actual end.
	I need Tucker again.
	I need the original cut and then her.
	I don't think you downloaded the right one.
	My pillow.
	Yeah.
	Let's be clear here.
	The Colorado Supreme Court did not kick Trump off the ballot.
	The United States Constitution kicked Trump off the ballot as conservative judge.
	As conservative judge and constitutional expert Michael Luddick said, the 14th Amendment is a valid provision of the Constitution.
	It has to remain enforced.
	That's what the judges in the Colorado Supreme Court have done.
	Yes, the 14th Amendment says, if you try to destroy our democracy, you can't come back and try again.
	Well, the amendment also says you have to be found guilty of it.
	You can't have a random judge or judges decide that.
	I remember when Stephen Colbert used to actually be funny.
	That's meant to be comedy.
	And they're whooping and cheering.
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	It is the most perfect example of an imploding political campaign.
	Of course, the governor of Florida.
	Let's analyze with our good friend from Breitbart, the Washington Bureau Chief, Matt Boyle.
	Matt, the Colorado decision is horrific.
	Hopefully it will be overturned in January by the Supreme Court.
	But the reaction from other candidates, except for Vivek, has been rather Poorly, and sometimes really quite stunning.
	This is cut for Ron DeSantis, his reaction.
	What they don't want is to have somebody like me who will make the election not about all those other issues, but will make the election about the failures of Biden, the failures of the left, and how we're going to be able to turn the country around.
	If that's how the election's framed, we will win.
	He's gonna win if we ignore what the courts are doing to the man who's 57 points ahead of him, Matt.
	This is a fundamental misunderstanding by Ron DeSantis and his entire operation, not just him but all the people that work for him and his super PAC and whatever, and this is why everybody's resigning, never back down, because none of them get it.
	The fact is, is that The idea that if Ron DeSantis were actually a threat to Joe Biden, don't you think they would do the exact same things they're doing to Trump to him?
	Look at what they did to George Bush back during his presidency, right?
	And George Bush was a total globalist, right?
	So the point is that they're never going to let any Republican or conservative get near the White House.
	So look, again, while I think he's been a good governor in Florida, I just don't think... We need to stop that.
	He's been a good governor of Florida.
	I don't give a crap about Florida right now.
	I want to save the Republic.
	I want to save the Republic.
	So no, I'm with you 100%.
	So the point is that the guy's just been a terrible presidential candidate.
	He's totally missed the moment.
	He's off base on all of these things.
	And then by the way, he's also saying he won't step Right beside, like Vivek is doing, right, like I saw this the other day too, I think that was in the same commentary, a different clip than what you just played, where he wouldn't, where he wouldn't say that he would, Vivek said he would step off the ballot in Colorado.
	No, he wants his name to be removed from the ballot in Colorado if they remove President Trump's ballot as well.
	So we've got a minute left.
	You have the best connection.
	I've got to ask you, Jeff Rowe, the man behind, quote unquote, the Yankin success in Virginia, resigned with quite a public statement on Twitter this week from the never back down DeSantis super PAC, quite an ironic name.
	What's going on there?
	Because he said in his statement that he couldn't be associated with what was going on in that super PAC.
	Have you heard anything about what's been going on there?
	Yeah, well look, first off, the big thing is that there are major battles between different personalities and staff over who has control and who's to blame for what went wrong and so on and so forth.
	And that's the superficial level of it.
	But again, if Jeff Rowe had any confidence in Ron DeSantis winning the Iowa caucuses, which is what they keep saying they're going to do, he would have just stuck it out for a few more weeks and then took credit for it at the end of it all.
	So his decision to leave and the timing of it is a vote of no confidence in his own candidate for president.
	He does not believe that Ron DeSantis will win the Iowa caucuses or the New Hampshire primary or get even close to
	the Republican nomination.
	That's the truth.
	That's what we always get with Matt Boyle.
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	The scandal will not let up.
	Institutionalized bigotry, antisemitism at the Ivy League.
	Only one president was forced to be removed from her office at UPenn.
	MIT still there.
	And the president of Harvard, President Gay, is still in her position after saying the following in Congress.
	Here's a little reminder.
	Cut 10.
	And Dr. Gay, at Harvard, does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Harvard's rules of bullying and harassment, yes or no?
	It can be, depending on the context.
	What's the context?
	Targeted at an individual.
	It's targeted at Jewish students, Jewish individuals.
	Do you understand your testimony is dehumanizing them?
	Do you understand that dehumanization is part of antisemitism?
	Genocide is contextual.
	That was at the beginning of the month and she's still in office.
	Despite the fact, I have an article here from the Daily Wire, that scholar allegedly plagiarized by Harvard president scorches the university.
	Who is that scholar?
	Let's talk to her.
	Dr. Caroline Swain.
	Carol Swain, welcome to America First.
	Thank you.
	So, Dr. Swain, there is your thesis, your work, your books, your articles that have popped up in President Gay's work, in her PhD.
	The latest article from the Daily Mail is shocking.
	In it, we find out there are additionally 40 instances of plagiarism associated with Claudine Gay.
	For those who don't have PhDs like you and me, can you explain how this woman got to be a president of the most famous university in the
	world, having plagiarized.
	And also, here's another shocker.
	I don't know how many articles you wrote.
	I've written literally hundreds of articles, often in peer-reviewed journals.
	This woman wrote a total of 10 articles before she became president.
	How is she the head of Harvard?
	Well, first of all, I have to say that I don't know how she got tenure at an Ivy League institution
	when I earned my tenure at Princeton University.
	I earned it early because I had a path-breaking book that won three national prizes, was cited
	Supreme Court, was named by Library Choice magazine as one of the outstanding books of 1994.
	The work was considered seminal in the area of minority representation.
	My research was funded by the National Science Foundation.
	I did real research for my PhD and my early tenure.
	When you look at Claudine Gay, and I'm not calling her Dr. Gay, because as you know, to become a doctor, you have to have an original idea in your thesis.
	Then you have to defend it before your committee.
	If your thesis is plagiarized, then it seems to me that it would make that doctorate null and void.
	How is she the president of of Harvard University because she went through the elite system for world-class education.
	She attended Phillips Exeter Academy, a boarding school, and then she attended Stanford and Princeton for her undergraduate, graduating from Stanford, winning a prize for her senior thesis, and then on to Harvard for a PhD where she won another prize Now we know that that Ph.D.
	had many places of plagiarism in it, as well as her early work.
	And so, how is she the president of Harvard?
	Because of DEI.
	It favors certain kinds of minorities who help the progressive left advance their radical ideas about America.
	All right, let's put the latest work by this true scholar up on the screen.
	It's The Adversity of Diversity, How the Supreme Court's Decision to Remove Race from College Admissions Criteria Will Doom Diversity Programs.
	It's the perfect segue to the question, what happens if this woman, Dr. Swain, remains president?
	What does that do for Harvard and all of the other institutions that likewise promote the D.I.E., diversity, inclusion and equity mantra of the left?
	What happens to these entities?
	Well, first, it harms every young person in America, whether they're a child or a college student.
	And then there are professors and other people that look to Harvard.
	And so it sends a bad sends a bad signal when Harvard University, rather than
	doing the right thing and dismissing Claudine Gay or asking her to resign quietly, when they dig
	in and decide that they're going to redefine plagiarism for her, and they're going to give her
	an opportunity to do a do-over, to go back to some of her papers and make corrections, they
	haven't figured out how she's going to do a do-over for her dissertation. It harms
	American education at the college and university level, as well as K-12, because if Harvard
	lowers the standards for plagiarism, it will impact everyone. It was woke when I was there in
	the 1990s, and it's only gotten worse.
	If you went to one of these schools, don't give them a penny, don't give them a dime, and tell them that they must get rid of people like the president of Harvard, President Gay.
	In the meantime, find out the true level of the rot by ordering our guest's latest book, The Adversity of Diversity.
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	Here's the larger thing of what the left and the media and the Democrats are doing.
	They're doing all this stuff to basically solidify support in the primary for him, get him into the general, and the whole general election is going to be all this legal stuff.
	And look, it's unfair.
	They're abusing power 100%.
	But the question is, is that going to work?
	And I think they have a playbook that unfortunately will work.
	And it'll give Biden or the Democrat or whoever the ability to skate through this.
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	Get that ready.
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	Have we turned a corner in the Biden versus Trump competition?
	Very interesting minute of analysis from our friend, one of the good guys, one of the few good guys left at Fox.
	Just listen to what Jesse Waters has to say.
	In 2016, if you were for Trump, you were ahead of the curve.
	You were edgy, you saw it coming, and Hillary was terrible.
	So, then 2020 happened, and you had COVID, and Trump was just getting slaughtered in the media, and there was a lot of psyops, and everybody was disconnected, everybody was home.
	And then you get twenty twenty four rolling around and Joe just doesn't have the cool factor.
	Kamala doesn't have it.
	The cities aren't cool anymore.
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	In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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	In Him was life, and that life was the light of men.
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	The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.
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	Every day we read from the Bible to remember the reason for the season.
	This guest, in studio no less, I've been waiting to get here for months on end.
	He is a legend among the cognoscente on the right.
	He's a person who, without whom our movement, well, it would barely be a movement today.
	We are honored to have in studio the man who really invented political marketing, the man who Helped us through the years from Goldwater to Reagan and today, the legend that is Richard A. Vigory.
	Mr. Vigory, welcome in studio.
	My pleasure.
	So I want to talk about what you've done for us as conservatives.
	We've got this book, Go Big, we're going to discuss and how, you know, your political marketing helped the conservative movement and places like Hillsdale just become these giants.
	But I was shocked by what I just heard when you came in studio, that you are In which decade of your life, Mr. Vigourie?
	I'm in the ninth decade of my life.
	I just turned 90.
	At age 90, Sebastian, I go 12, 13, sometimes 14 hours a day, five and a half days a week, never on Sunday.
	Love every minute of it.
	Been blessed with good health and Well, I'm not sure I believe that you are in your 90s or you've hit 90, but you've got a book here that will tell us the secrets of how you did it.
	Let me just read it.
	How Conservatives Can Outlive Liberals, a Recipe for All for a Long, Healthy, Happy and Meaningful Life.
	And the subtitle is 90 and Going Bigger.
	I want people to ride the book.
	It's a perfect Christmas gift, so get out there and buy it.
	But give us a little pricey, a little hint.
	Give us some clues as to what it takes to be someone who outlives the loony leftists.
	First thing you got to do, Sebastian, is take charge.
	My wife and I married in 1962.
	A year and a half later, the first child comes.
	After a little while, she has boils all over her body, 10, 15 at a time.
	Every doctor, specialist couldn't do anything for her.
	We're in a bookstore one night.
	I'm in a political section.
	She's just a kid, 22 years old.
	Goes to the health section.
	And picked up a book by a giant at the time, Adele Davis.
	And Adele Davis was such an authority on alternative medicine.
	She read about the boils and from the index there.
	Bought the book at 22 years old.
	Didn't go to bed that night.
	Stayed up all night.
	Went to the drugstore.
	Went it open at 8 in the morning.
	And bought several bottles of vitamin A, a liquid capsule.
	Broke the capsules and put them on each boil.
	Put a band-aid over it.
	Gave our daughter Renee major doses internally.
	36 hours later, every boiler went away and never returned.
	Wow!
	And so, we confronted the doctors with this and they said, yes, sometimes a deficiency in vitamin A causes a boil.
	They never told us that.
	So at that moment, we said, we are in charge of our health.
	Not the doctor, not the pharmaceutical companies, not the president, it's us.
	And it's made a huge difference taking charge of our health.
	Are you therefore as shocked as I am by America's response to the bureaucrats like Fauci and just taking their word for it that masks work, that you must take the vaccine, that both boosters are essential?
	Instead of your principle that you take charge, you talk to your doctor, you listen to your doctor, But instead, so many of us seemingly just seem to believe what somebody said thousands of miles away in Washington.
	They were like sheep.
	But I think a lot of people have woke up now.
	I have sometimes, Sebastian, what I think of maybe as a Marxist attitude.
	I go to a little Catholic church out in the country, Rappahannock County, And everybody knows my politics there, and they'll come in after mass and tell me, Richard, did you hear about this outrage, this terrible thing?
	My response always is, great, glad to hear it.
	Because worse is better.
	When the water starts boiling, the frog jumps out at us.
	So maybe when things are getting so bad and we have such a terrible thing... Then you have to fight.
	Exactly.
	They're waking up.
	People are waking up.
	I like that.
	My wife knows that I love conflict.
	I embrace conflict.
	Because then you have a chance of winning.
	If you're not fighting, you can't win.
	It's a very simple rule of warfare.
	Could you give us, with your decades and decades of experience, from Goldwater on down, where are we?
	As a movement.
	Trumpism arrived.
	The president is back.
	He's 57 points ahead of anybody else on the right.
	The left are trying to put him in prison.
	But underneath that, the conservative movement is still riven by establishment figures, people who don't want to fight or even know how to fight.
	Could you give us your diagnosis of where we are as conservatives in America today, Mr. Vickery?
	Great question, Sebastian.
	Harry Jaffa.
	I don't know if you... Professor Harry Jaffa, a giant of a man, intellectual giant, the equal of Russell Kirk.
	In 2014, from Claremont Institute in California, he said, Western civilization survives because of America.
	Then he said, America survives because of the conservative movement.
	I've added, conservative movement survives because of a few hundred leaders and activists out there, like yourself.
	And I tell people when I speak and write, don't look to the Republican Party for leadership.
	Look to us.
	It's you.
	Stop looking for somebody out there.
	We all need to become modern-day Paul Reveres, rushing to the sound of the guns.
	That day in Lexington and Concord, April 19th in 1775, Nobody was in charge.
	Every patriot grabbed a musket and ran to the South.
	Because they're in charge.
	Every single one of them is in charge.
	Exactly, exactly.
	So I urge conservatives today.
	We're in bad shape.
	We've lost the leadership of every single major institution in America.
	No exception.
	Higher education, lower education, big business, Wall Street, unions, organized religion.
	It goes on and on.
	Even our own government is coming after us.
	The FBI, the CIA, Department of Justice, the Army.
	And the one thing they haven't gotten total control of is the citizens.
	We're still a 50-50 country.
	And we've got the opportunity to turn everything around.
	We're talking to the author of numerous works.
	The most recent is Go Big, The Marketing Secrets of Richard of Vigoury.
	Also the book How Conservatives Can Outlive Liberals.
	And I think we have one more we can put up on the screen.
	What's the other book we have?
	We will read it to you right now.
	No, we had that.
	Go big.
	What's the other one?
	Takeover!
	I want to talk about this in the next segment.
	The hundred-year war for the soul of the GOP and how conservatives can finally win it.
	Did you ever think, given what you've seen, that we would live in a time where not just this country, but the West, because we see this elsewhere, these countries are being run by people who hate their own country.
	Did you think that that was even possible?
	No, never, never, never, never.
	You know, when I'm a 12, 13-year-old boy, I'm playing cops and robbers with the kids in the neighborhood.
	I don't tell anybody I'm not shooting robbers, I'm shooting commies.
	I just came into this world knowing this is bad people.
	But the idea that our own government would be arrayed against our views and values is shocking and disappointing and totally frightening.
	I was, uh, where was I flying to?
	I think I was flying to California not too recently and, uh, somebody got on the plane with a t-shirt that showed Ronald Reagan and it says, I smell commies.
	We're talking to Richard Vigery, pioneer of political direct marketing.
	The website is americantarget.com.
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	We'll be back with Mr. Vigary in a moment.
	I believe I'm here now because I've got a purpose for my life.
	Of course.
	It's like the book, um, uh, Man's, what is it?
	Man's search for meaning about the Holocaust survivors from the camps.
	In that he says, in the beginning, the people who died in the camps were the people who gave up.
	If you gave up, if you thought there was no surviving the death camps, then they would wither away.
	They would just lose the will to survive, and those who never gave up, those who had a purpose, would even survive the death camps.
	I say that my role model is Moses.
	Deuteronomy 34, verse 7.
	And Moses lived to be 120.
	His eye was not dimmed, nor his vital forces abated.
	And he lived his life in three 40-year compartments.
	40 years in the house of Pharaoh, 40 years in the wilderness, 40 years leading the Israelites.
	And so, you know, 99% of what we know about Moses was after he turned 80.
	And so, I've got a lot of... You've got a long way to go.
	You've got a lot of work to do for us.
	Alright, let's...
	We've played that cut.
	I might play the build bar cut here, but I'll probably put it down early, guys, if I get to it.
	Copy that.
	We've played Jesse Waters.
	Angel Tree.
	Angel Tree, right.
	Angel Tree.
	Can you come in with Newt Gingrich, then I'll do Angel Tree, and then I'll go to Mr. Vigrie?
	Cut one Newt?
	Yep.
	Cut one Newt.
	Copy that.
	So you're saying a new version is coming out of GoBig?
	No, the health book.
	When I turned 90 I updated it.
	I send a memo to 10,000 conservative leaders every month and have for years telling them If you're doing ABC, stop doing it.
	If you're not doing XYZ, start.
	From a marketing standpoint, I'm the last person standing who was there at the beginning of the conservative movement.
	I'm 002.
	Lee Edwards is 001.
	But he's an academic.
	I'm the political person.
	I've been there.
	I've seen that.
	I know what to do.
	Oh, thank you.
	Sign this to me.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Did we use the Reagan and Goldwater images?
	No, we didn't.
	Alright, I'm going to mention them again, so as soon as I mention them, you can put up Reagan and you can put up Goldwater.
	Did we use the Reagan and Goldwater images?
	No, we didn't.
	All right.
	I'm going to mention them again.
	So as soon as I mention them, you can put up Reagan, and then you can put up Goldwater.
	Copy that.
	Staying home for Christmas?
	I am.
	My wife of 61 years, unfortunately had a stroke a few years ago, so she's, mine's fine, but has assisted living, so she's paralyzed on the left side, so we'll be together with the family.
	Three kids, six grandkids.
	People say, how many grandkids, Richard?
	I say two answers.
	First answer is six, second answer is not enough.
	You can't have too many grandkids.
	My wife is very eagerly awaiting.
	I promise you that's when life begins.
	Grandkids.
	Grandkids. 20 seconds.
	20 seconds.
	20 seconds.
	They'll let you try to find them."
	Flawed freighter.
	Essentially the world in your hands that fits the great scheme that's in really much
	like the guarantee scheme that's going to be in your inventory during this changes who
	their patrimonial heritage is going to be.
	I think this is a potentially catastrophe.
	1,360,000 Coloradans voted for Donald Trump in the last election.
	Four lawyers want to block him from being on the ballot.
	That means, basically, for every 340,000 Coloradans who voted for Trump, one lawyer is stopping him.
	That's a system of establishment arrogance that's not sustainable.
	The last great effort like this was the ten states that refused to put Abraham Lincoln on the ballot in 1860.
	The American people are not going to tolerate, and I hope the Supreme Court fully understands this, the American people are not going to tolerate being told that they're not allowed to have a choice for who they want to have as President.
	This is not Venezuela, it's not Nicaragua, it's not Cuba, and I think the Democrats are dangerously close To causing the kind of confrontation that would be truly disastrous for the country.
	One of the greatest political minds in America, former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich, reacting to the Colorado Supreme Court decision.
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	But I have to have you respond to what we heard Speaker Gingrich say.
	The arrogance of the left from Operation Crossfire Hurricane, the Mueller probe, Impeachment 1,
	Impeachment 2, the raid on Mar-a-Lago, the indictments in New York, the indictments in
	Washington, now the attempt to remove him from the ballot.
	You were there at the creation.
	You were seminal to the Goldwater movement, Barry Goldwater, that made, of course, Ronald Reagan's presidency possible.
	I have a maybe impolitic question to ask you, Mr. Vigorey.
	How did conservatives allow the left to get away with this level of political persecution?
	Sebastian, I could talk the rest of the day on this one subject.
	One of the problems is, quite frankly, the conservatives have, most conservative leaders,
	and I know most all of them, low energy.
	The left has so much energy on their side, you cut with a knife almost.
	Not so our people, I'd say 80, 90%, just low energy.
	But one of the things we have to recognize, we're in a spiritual civil war.
	We're in a spiritual civil war.
	We didn't recognize, Sebastian, we were in a cultural war in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and we lost it.
	You're not likely to win a war you don't know you're in.
	And we have to recognize we're in a war, and we need lots of things.
	Number one, above everything else, leadership.
	When I went to 1961 to run the Young Americans for Freedom in New York, we needed leadership then.
	Sixty-two years later, we still need that leadership.
	The left has so many major leaders.
	John Podesta, Eric Holder, Obama, you know, they go on and on.
	Why do we not have them?
	Because I know the great Morton Blackwell is training youngsters and has done for decades.
	Are they not being given opportunities?
	Do the people in place block them?
	Why is there this deficit of energy?
	One of our very, very, very best is what you just had on the screen there, Newt Gingrich, of course.
	He used to come to my home every Wednesday evening with about 14, 15 conservative leaders.
	We'd plot and plan.
	to the extent there was anything that could be Hillary Clinton's vast right-wing conspiracy,
	Yes.
	that would have been it.
	We did that for about ten years at my home there for breakfast and dinner.
	But I think as a general rule, the best and brightest of our people go into the private
	sector.
	And the left government is like a religion.
	It's a religion to them.
	And their best and brightest go into the non-profit sector.
	As general rule, our best and brightest go into the private sector.
	And we need lots of things.
	Number one, leadership.
	You can provide it at the national level, do so.
	The state, the local, your community, provide that leadership.
	How significant is it that you say the best and the brightest go to the private sector?
	How significant is it that President Trump came from the private sector and had never been in politics?
	Exactly.
	He self-described himself in 2008 as a community organizer.
	So the left has about 20,000 single-issue organizations, conservatives about 1,500.
	Each of these organizations needs a president, vice president, media person, a media organizer, press person, etc.
	This is all young people, mostly, learning how to be a leader.
	So they've got 20,000, 6, 7, 8 people in each non-profit.
	That's 130, 150,000 people learning how to be future candidates for school board, legislature, Congress.
	Obama, as a community organizer, becomes President of the United States.
	But I'm asking about President Trump, that he came from the private sector into politics.
	How significant is that?
	Oh, it's awesome, and I would hope other business people would take that lesson.
	You don't have to have permission from anybody to do it.
	I urge people, pick yourself to lead.
	Donald Trump did it.
	When I came to Washington, I had all these ideas and this energy, nobody asked me my opinion or anything.
	So I started calling meetings, and people came.
	And they invited me to their meetings.
	I learned a secret early on to have important people like Newt Gingrich and other congressmen come to your meetings.
	Serve good food.
	They'll be there.
	And he still has the energy.
	It is radiating off this man right now.
	There's a reason he is the legend that he is.
	Richard Vigory, the pioneer of political direct marketing.
	Can we hold you over for one more short segment?
	90 years old.
	Is that what you'd ask?
	I want to ask you to stay for one more segment.
	Oh, I can.
	Absolutely.
	Love to.
	One more segment because I want a little bit of a tip on how we do this magical marketing thing that you're an expert at.
	Let's put his books up on the screen.
	Go Big!
	The Marketing Secrets of Richard A. Vigery and The 100-Year War for the Soul of the GOP.
	That book is takeover.
	And the one I have here, it's inscribed to me.
	I'm really excited.
	I'm only 53 years old.
	I'm a little spring chicken.
	How conservatives can outlive liberals, because I plan to outlive them all, at least the ones who are destroying my beloved country right now.
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	We will be back with Mr Vickery after these messages.
	That's fine.
	So, where were you doing those meetings with you?
	We had a lovely large home in McLean, Virginia.
	And Pat Buchanan down the street, Al Hagen in front of the street.
	So what did you have to serve?
	What was the good food that you had to serve?
	We had a living chef there.
	And he'd cook up just wonderful dishes every evening.
	And we had breakfast too.
	Two hours with Paul Weirich, Ed Fulner.
	It was 8-10.
	It was the giants of the conservative movement.
	And then who would run the agenda?
	Basically I would.
	There was my home.
	And was it focused on marketing or legislation or what?
	Building the movement, building the movement.
	Wyrick had accidentally gone to some liberal meeting and figured out, we reversed engineered them, we studied everything that they did, we began to study it.
	And the Heritage Foundation came into being about that time.
	All that Warwick was doing and ALEC and State Policy Network, etc, etc.
	But we just sit there and brainstorm for two hours.
	Somebody asked me in an interview, I think it was today, where are our George Soros's?
	Where are our... We don't have one.
	We don't have one.
	Not one.
	But why is that?
	I don't know.
	We've got generous people but people who will give to the movement.
	We need 50 million dollars for this.
	We don't have those type of things.
	The left has all the Jeff Bezos and Zuckerberg.
	I mean the fact that these people drop tens and sometimes hundreds of millions on operational funds.
	Exactly.
	Nobody does that.
	We don't.
	We have literally zero.
	We appreciate the Koch brothers and that they do this and that, but they do their own thing.
	They have their own ideology.
	Exactly.
	No, we lack so much.
	It's the grassroots.
	Without that, we don't have anything.
	I'm going to read this, and then in the new year, the next time you're coming into town, could we have you on for a whole hour?
	Sure.
	That'd be great.
	It's really important, Goobie.
	The Left outraises us 700%, 700% more money from 700% more donors.
	They have about 21 million unique individual donors.
	We have about three and a half million.
	We used to own grassroots.
	I told, I used to, I was I was just crucified almost, I hate to use that word, in the 70s as attack, attack by New York Times, NBC, ABC, regularly, all the time.
	All of the criticism stopped within a few hours.
	Aha!
	That's what Viggory's been up to, election night, November 1980.
	And the left had relied on unions and taxpayers and foundations for their money.
	They had not done a grassroots operation.
	So I told Fulner and Wyrick and everybody, don't worry, it's taken me 20 years to do this, it's going to take them 25 or 30 years.
	I'm smarter than they are.
	Not so.
	They did it.
	Within five years they caught up with us.
	They built it.
	And they run Circus Venice.
	Have you done an analysis of that?
	Oh yeah.
	You have?
	Yeah.
	Alright, we'll discuss that next time.
	Alright, six minutes.
	Come in with my pillow.
	And then we've done Newt.
	So anything else that applies?
	Bye.
	you you
	you oh
	Merry Christmas to the rolling thunder on the right, Dr. Sebastian Korka!
	Here's looking at you, Snowflake!
	America first!
	That's one of our callers.
	Or is it Santa Claus?
	I don't know.
	Thank you, Deep Voice Don, for saying that.
	We need a conservative movement that is serious.
	We don't even take seriously supporting conservative businesses.
	Could you imagine if we didn't buy stuff from Jeff Bezos on Amazon?
	Made in China.
	How about if we just started there patronizing conservative businesses like Mike Lindell's MyPillow?
	It's an easy place to start, even if you have his pillows.
	He's got more than 200 other items on his website.
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	Mr. Vickery, everybody needs to read your book, Go Big.
	They need to learn the marketing secrets that made you the pioneer of political marketing in the United States.
	But give us a little tease.
	What is it that conservatives have forgotten or never learnt that is essential to political marketing?
	Start by just volunteering, doing something, getting out there.
	You know, I just stress this so much to conservatives, put the energy out there.
	God says don't be lukewarm, be hot or cold.
	He can take Saul and make Paul out of him, you know, but if you're not doing anything, so put that energy out there.
	Call some of your neighbors together and talk about whatever the issue, the school board, safety in your community, you know, but come together and begin to Put a dream together of going forward.
	And that's, by the way, how people become conservative activists.
	The RNC attracts very few people.
	Hilary Rodham, in 1964, is a Goldwater girl.
	Yes.
	Five years later, she's a hardcore leftist, having nothing to do with the DNC, Democratic National Committee.
	Had everything to do with one issue, opposition to Vietnam War.
	So, people are normal, Sebastian.
	They don't go out on Monday night for meetings, political meetings, or Saturday morning to rally.
	But there is one issue, sometimes two, maybe even three.
	The Second Amendment maybe.
	Maybe it's safety in their community.
	Maybe it's their schools.
	Education.
	That they'll come out and get them involved on that one issue, and it's a short step to become a movement activist.
	This is so important because this is true.
	You may not believe this.
	You may never have heard this before, but Hillary Rodham, who became Clinton, was a Goldwater gal.
	Then she became an Alinskyite.
	Think of that, an anti-Warolinskiite, because they gave her what?
	Purpose.
	Energy.
	They recruited her.
	What are we doing?
	There's another problem as well I'd like to address with you before we finish today, but we will get you back.
	He's promised for an hour-long discussion.
	The issue of honour.
	Let me play a clip, a fresh clip, from somebody who served in the Trump administration like I did.
	He was in the Cabinet level.
	He was the Attorney General, and he's now attacking his former boss over the issue of immigration.
	Bill Barr, cut 12.
	I'm offended by it because it has racist overtones.
	I actually feel, as you say, we have to control the border and a lot of people coming across the border from anywhere in the world, we don't know where they're coming from.
	But at the end of the day, the fact of the matter is that the Hispanic Americans that have come up from South America have made great citizens.
	So we have the former Attorney General calling President Trump racist because Hispanic Americans are great Americans, but we're not talking about them.
	We're talking about eight million illegals in three years.
	So here's my question to you.
	Why are there so many people who seem to lack honor in politics on our side?
	I get it from the left.
	Power, power, power, power.
	But it seems as if there's also an honor deficit amongst conservative politicians.
	It drives me nuts.
	You know, I say all the time in speeches and writing, Nancy Pelosi has never lied to me.
	Chuck Schumer has never lied to me.
	They say they're going to raise more money for Planned Parenthood.
	They're going to increase the spending.
	They're going to go into debt here.
	They keep their word.
	Republican politicians at the national level lie, lie, lie.
	They say they're going to balance the budget, they're going to cut Planned Parenthood funding, whether it's Mitch McConnell or Kevin McCarthy.
	They all lie to the conservatives.
	So what I say is, I paraphrase James Carville from 1992.
	Remember he said, it's the economy stupid?
	So I tell the conservatives, it's the primaries stupid.
	That's how you change Washington, is the primaries.
	The most important election is not in November, it's in March, April and May.
	Primary these Rhino Republicans and bring some principled conservatives like Chip Roy and Bob Good and Ted Cruz and these others out there.
	That's how we change Washington, in the primaries.
	And get active and get engaged in your local community.
	Richard Vickery, we will invite you back for a longer discussion, but right now in front of three and a half million people, I want to salute you and thank you for what you've done for our movement.
	My pleasure.
	Thank you, my friend.
	Thank you, sir.
	The book is Go Big, and also the one I'm going to read over the Christmas break in my hand is How Conservatives Can Outlive Liberals.
	Follow him at americantarget.com.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First.
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	Boyle, do you remember anything from that?
	No.
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	I don't remember.
	You're listening to America First with Sebastian Question Gorka, former strategist to President Donald J.
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	Oh my God, I feel like such You know when you realize, oh my gosh, I'm not crazy.
	He just reinforced everything I think about the conservative movement.
	I'm depressed because he's right, because they haven't got a fraction of his energy at 90, but at least somebody's confirmed to me that I'm not insane.
	Oh my gosh, Jeff, what about all the stuff he said about Republicans being incapable of leading and not having energy?
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	They're still trying to take over your healthcare.
	We mentioned Obama.
	Obamacare's still out there.
	They're trying to nationalize it, turn it into the disaster that I lived through in the UK of the NHS, National Health System.
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	Waiting patiently.
	Line one.
	Is it Thursday?
	I think it is.
	Antoinette!
	Merry Christmas!
	Merry Christmas, Dr. G!
	Oh my God!
	That guy, Mr. Vickery.
	Wasn't he amazing?
	Oh my God, and he's so true.
	As you said, it breaks my heart because you're not crazy, I'm not crazy, but he's absolutely
	correct.
	Energy level needs to be up.
	But before I forget, I have to thank you from the bottom of my heart for your extra love
	and prayers and all your listeners, Dr. G.
	Someone very, very, very close to me was critically ill.
	They're on demand and thank you guys for the prayers.
	Then we had another miracle happen.
	As our group, I Am for the Voiceless, we have an awesome opportunity.
	We saved this young girl, Crystal.
	She had her baby boy.
	Her parents, as well as her boyfriend, wanted her to get an abortion.
	Well, she ended up having the baby.
	We've been praying, and we're actually, the end of January, we're going to have our first Baby shower?
	Our pastor, Larry DeSimone, the one that did the research on fetal tissue with the vaccine, he's gonna let us do a baby shower after Sunday service, the end of January, and have a baby shower.
	It's our first ever, and we're just so grateful.
	What's the name of Crystal's baby that you saved?
	What's his name?
	Uh, his name, it's an unusual name.
	It's O-Z-Y.
	Ozzy?
	Ozzy!
	Okay.
	Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy.
	What a beautiful story.
	We are so grateful that your friend is recovering.
	You've reminded me that I got some news, health news, from one of our team members, John, who was rushed to hospital because of something I've suffered through.
	It's bad.
	It's called kidney stones and they're keeping him in hospital.
	But, you know, it's painful!
	But let's keep him in our prayers as well.
	Thank you, Antoinette, for the amazing news.
	And I want to see photographs of the baby shower.
	That's amazing.
	Another life saved by the voice for the voiceless.
	You are doing the Lord's work.
	Merry Christmas to you, Antoinette.
	Let's keep it ladies night.
	Let's go to Wendy, Louisville, Kentucky.
	Hi!
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hey.
	Hi.
	Yes.
	I have a couple of movie suggestions.
	Oh, okay.
	Yes.
	What would you like us to review on Making Movies Great Again?
	How about the original Planet of the Apes with Charlton Heston?
	Oh, it goes without saying.
	I think Planet of the Apes, I think Jeff can confirm this, was the first movie poster I bought for our studio.
	Is that right, Jeff?
	It's one of the first, right?
	Yep, that's the original hallway that has about 30 of them in there now.
	Well it does now, because it was a really boring grey hallway.
	But I have the French Planet of the Apes, the Planet de Singes poster on my wall.
	Why do you like that movie, Wendy?
	I love it, it's part of my childhood.
	But why do you like it?
	I like the very end when Charlton Heston sees the statue.
	Yes!
	Oh, don't give it away!
	Because there might be somebody who hasn't seen that 60 year old movie.
	But the end of that movie is the ultimate, ultimate shocker ending.
	Genius.
	The geography is a bit weird because that statue couldn't be where it is even after a nuclear war.
	But yeah, damn you all to hell.
	That is great.
	That's the line from Charlton Heston.
	Wendy, I guarantee you right now, that film will be reviewed by me and Chris Coles.
	Good.
	Now I want a couple others, OK?
	Yeah.
	Mr. Smith goes to Congress.
	Yes.
	Hang on.
	Mr. Smith goes to Washington.
	Absolutely.
	Go ahead.
	I'm writing these down.
	Mr. Smith goes to Washington and then Planet of the Apes.
	And I'll let you have one more.
	Give me one more, Wendy.
	OK.
	Okay, okay.
	Catch me if you can.
	Why?
	Why?
	I mean, after great suggestions like those two, why that Tom, Tom Hanks potboiler?
	Why?
	Is it Tom Hanks?
	No, it's a it's a DiCaprio.
	Why?
	Why are you recommending that one?
	Because it was interesting.
	I mean, well, okay, I'll give you another one.
	If you didn't like that one, I'll give you another one.
	Yep.
	National Treasures.
	Oh my gosh.
	It's a little bit out of our time range.
	It's a little bit modern but I love those movies so and Nicolas Cage I've got
	a soft spot for Nicolas Cage so Wendy I promise you Planet of the Apes
	national treasure and we'll smuggle in just because it's you a Mr. Smith goes to
	Washington what a great what great three suggestions from one lady
	Merry Christmas, my friend.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	You're listening to American First.
	I love the calls, the recommendations for movie reviews.
	The last one we did was It's a Wonderful Life.
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	We have done 40 movie reviews.
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	Oh, um... If Colorado doesn't work, um, they want somebody to kill him.
	Did you ever do your series that you got?
	I did not!
	I'm gonna send it to you, and I will... Actually, I promised them I'd do it today.
	Right, um...
	Okay, I'll do it.
	Did you say, hold on, you said if Colorado doesn't work, they want to kill him?
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Jeff, I want you to react to this theory.
	All right.
	We'll see you in a minute.
	Thanks, Gary.
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	Knee deep in the swamp.
	All right, an hour of national security with a former member of the Trump cabinet next here.
	You don't want to miss it.
	We'll take a call from Jerry in a moment, but I want to test a theory I received from my good buddy Chris Coles this morning.
	He's been burning the midnight oil.
	I want Jeff's reaction because the first time I heard it, I said, nah, that's not so.
	But now I'm not so sure.
	Say we do it.
	Say President Trump wins.
	He comes in.
	He closes the border.
	He says, Iran, no more billions of dollars.
	He gets serious supporting Israel, stopping the war in Russia.
	And then, somebody does a terrorist attack in America, but it's a fake one.
	It's not a real one, but the terrorist attack that is meant to look like ISIS or Hamas, is done by people here, and then they blame President Trump's new policies for that attack, and we have violence breaking out across America, and they want to force him to use the National Guard, to use martial law, so they can say, oh, we told you he's a dictator!
	I thought, that's a bit, Tom Clancy, that's a bit crazy.
	But after what they've done for the last three years, Mr G, do you think the left are so insane that they could even fake a terrorist attack to force the president's hand?
	I'm not sure about that, but I wouldn't put it past him.
	But the one thing is, I think the summer of 2020 was to try to get him to force to do that, to call him a dictator.
	That's why Chris said it, right?
	That's why it makes sense.
	And they can't do it the same way.
	It's got to be a different way.
	Yeah.
	And that's why I think, oh my gosh, that's crazy.
	But then I think back, that's what they were goading him to do.
	Chris is going to do a video about it.
	I can't wait to see the full analysis.
	Scary times ahead, my friends.
	Scary times.
	Be prepared.
	Jerry Chicago on the Colorado Supreme Court, line three.
	Dr. Gorka, thank you so much for taking my call.
	I'm a first-time caller.
	I love your show.
	Thank you kindly.
	You've got 90 seconds.
	What's your theory?
	Okay.
	Okay.
	This insurrection clause that they're hitting Trump with, it states in there that if you aid an enemy... Yes.
	Yep.
	of our country, you're taking part in an insurrection.
	Joe Biden gave $6 billion to Iran.
	Iran is our enemy.
	So can't you say that Joe Biden is taking part in an insurrection too?
	Mark Milley was helping the Chinese military.
	Absolutely right.
	However, and here's the big however, the clause also states they have to be found guilty of doing that, which is somehow missed by the Colorado Supreme Court.
	So we would have to impeach Biden in the House and convict him in the Senate of aiding and abetting our enemies.
	But yes, what's source for the goose is source for the gander.
	Thank you, Jerry.
	First time caller, stay on the line.
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	9 Well, to save our souls, to re-establish the covenant between His Father and us, the created humans here on earth.
	A man, a God-man, who took all of our sins upon Himself when He didn't have to do so, and so ensured for us our eternal salvation.
	We celebrate Christmas, but of course it's the Gregorian calendar, so it's also the end of a 12-month period, which provides us a perfect perch from whence to review the year ahead and maybe...
	Ask some questions about, uh, review the year that has passed and ask some questions about the year ahead.
	You know me, guys.
	I'm a national security wonk.
	Uh, if I could do three, four, five hours of, uh, national security foreign policy every day, I would.
	I'm not sure it'd make for the best talk radio, but you never know.
	But now I'm going to indulge with our very good friend, former cabinet member in the Trump administration, served this nation in two different service uniforms, rising to the position of Secretary of Veterans Affairs, senior strategist for Newsmax, Secretary Robert Wilkie.
	Welcome in studio, and Merry Christmas.
	And Merry Christmas.
	And thank you for saying Merry Christmas.
	Well, hang on.
	Alex, have you got that audio from his old boss and my old boss?
	Can you grab your hands on that with regards to this time of the year?
	Let's just play because I can't get enough of it.
	We're saying Merry Christmas again.
	We are saying Merry Christmas again wherever we go.
	And when you say it in public, when you say it to other people in shops and stores, you see this kind of, oh yeah, we can say that now.
	It's a lovely thing to do.
	OK, let's start with something less lovely.
	Let's start with something actually horrific.
	You informed me as you arrived to the studio today that, like myself, I did it in Congress.
	You did it at the embassy.
	You have seen the unedited footage.
	Witness is the appropriate word.
	cell phones of what happened on October the 7th.
	I want to do a strategic analysis of the last seven weeks since the massacre of the innocents,
	but I'd like to give you an opportunity to reflect upon what you witnessed.
	Witness is the appropriate word.
	All of us who have seen that bear witness to a savagery that is, in many respects, unmentionable.
	I was thinking about what the Germans had done.
	You're a much better scholar of World War II than I am, but when the Einsatzgruppen were in Poland and in Russia, they did everything they could to cover up their crimes.
	And the stories were that the German soldiers who participated in the massacres would drown themselves in alcohol.
	Correct.
	This was barbarism with no shame.
	I've never seen those who destroy others revel in that destruction, in the butchery.
	Young children, the elderly, shooting those who were defenseless, mutilating bodies.
	There was one scene where a gangster shot a family, used the mother's cell phone to call back to Gaza.
	To his parents.
	His parents, and asked them to thank him for doing God's work for killing Jews.
	I wish every miscreant on every American campus be forced to see this.
	Of course, they would write it off as some AI bot.
	And the clowns who are the presidents of our most prestigious universities sit there and chain them and make them watch this.
	If we do not stand up to this, and I've written about this, I've spoken about it, just gave a speech in North Carolina last month about it.
	We're next.
	Britain might be in between.
	It's the triple hatred that we see, and this goes into so many different aspects of the threats that we face, that Israel, Britain, the United States are the great Satans.
	They're the great Satans to the academic left.
	They're the great Satans to the real triumvirate of evil.
	And if we don't stop it now, it will spread like a cancer.
	So this point is very important.
	You see the celebrating of the murder, when the bodies, the hostages are taken back to Gaza, people defiled, ululating, honking horns, taking photographs of the dead and the abused.
	Douglas Murray has likewise very eloquently pointed out that at least the Nazis try and hide what they were doing, these people celebrated.
	There's also, down from that utterly satanic aspect, there's also an utter callousness Or a kind of casual nature to the massacre.
	I'm thinking of two moments.
	The first is, there's a darkened room at some IDF base somewhere.
	And you see two young IDF female soldiers hiding under a desk.
	Right.
	And then the jihadis walk in, find them with their flashlights, and they're talking for about a minute.
	Right.
	And one says to the other, just shoot them, just kill them.
	And you can hear these girls sobbing under the desk, and the guy just pokes his AK under and just fires it, and then you know what happened.
	And it was this kind of, yeah, just kill them.
	And the worst of it all, in terms of just this Utter soulless, soulless casual attitude to massacre is right at the beginning.
	The young father who tries to save his two boys.
	The two little boys.
	Who hide in a shower block.
	The Hamas terrorists throw in a hand grenade.
	Father falls out dead.
	Boys come out drenched in blood.
	They pull them back into the kitchen.
	The little security camera is filming them.
	One of the boys has a large black hole in his skull, where his eye used to be.
	And the other brother's going, can you see?
	Can you see?
	And he says, no, I can't see.
	They're crying.
	They're screaming that they killed dad.
	As the terrorist goes to the fridge and just pulls out a soda bottle and starts drinking.
	This is when you realize most people in our country, in our civilization, have no idea.
	No.
	No idea.
	And you have to go back in living memory to those few who are still alive from the cataclysm of World War II.
	Those who survived the camps.
	And if you don't think that this is real, I also tie this into what the Biden administration is not doing on the border.
	Thousands of these people are coming in.
	No registration.
	No acknowledgment as to who they are.
	We know who they are.
	If you look at the streams of people coming to the country now, they're not Mexican.
	No.
	And they're not from Central America.
	No.
	They're from Africa.
	Asia.
	The Middle East.
	Asia.
	There is a dagger pointed at us.
	And we are in a very, very dangerous situation right now.
	Enhanced by the fact that this is all down to feckless, irresponsible, lunacy on the part of this president and his national security team.
	I want everybody to do something.
	John McCain was many things.
	One of the things he said was that I don't oppose presidents' nominations because the president won and he gets to choose who he wants to be surrounded with.
	He made one exception.
	For the current Secretary of State, he called him a danger to every man, woman, and child.
	In this country.
	And he stood on that floor and he said things that I never thought I would hear on the Senate floor about the current Secretary of State.
	And we're seeing that made manifest now.
	And Blinken's one of those characters who believes that only Israel is not allowed to win a war.
	Correct.
	Yeah, the fighting force that is most scrupulous, actually telling people where they're going to bomb and warning them, the civilians in advance.
	We are reviewing the year past and looking forward to whether we can bring back glory and safety to our nation.
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	I have such a long list!
	1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10... Oh!
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	What better encapsulates Dickens' great saying that after the transformation of Scrooge, he was filled with the milk of Christian kind?
	Yes.
	Yes, indeed.
	And I don't think anything better describes what you all are doing with Angel Thank you.
	Let's help all those tiny Timbs.
	Let's send gifts to all those tiny Timbs.
	I have such a long list of things I want to get through with one of our favorite guests and yours here because it's the important stuff.
	It's the big stuff.
	Let's try and wrap up as much as we can the prior topic of Israel.
	Give us your take on the last seven weeks.
	I see one thing that's missing, and I know it takes time, a lot of intelligence gathering after Munich, it took months and months and months, but I think when it's counter-terrorism, you have to degrade their capacity to hurt you, but you also have to degrade their will to want to hurt you.
	And the best way to do that is to hunt these people down across the globe, to go after the Iranian commanders like we did, Soleimani in Iraq when he was visiting there, and just send out the hit teams to take out the leaders.
	Netanyahu's done that.
	But talk about your assessment of the last seven weeks.
	So the last seven weeks, I've actually been, even for the IDF, surprised at how much How much they've gained in terms of territory and how much they have degraded the leadership of Hamas.
	They've done something in terms of propaganda value.
	And when I say propaganda value, the antidote to the UNs and the Blinkens and the Sullivans, when they got the director of the biggest hospital, let's say, Yes.
	We are a weapons cache.
	We are the shield for Hamas.
	They use this hospital.
	Plus the video.
	So they have certainly given their case to the world, not that the world is listening.
	I do expect that by the beginning of February, Hamas will have been destroyed in Gaza.
	I think it's going to take them another six weeks or so.
	Given that there's now a very small sliver of Gaza that they have not degraded.
	And let's go back to what you said, 1973, Golda Meir signs the order, we're going to kill everyone involved in the massacre of the Israeli athletes at Munich.
	It took them 20 years.
	It's not going to take them 20 years.
	They know where these guys are.
	And I think the Arab leaders in whose countries these individuals hide will be snickering when they're eliminated.
	We know Egypt, we know Jordan will.
	That's right.
	Qatar maybe not so much.
	And that is the message that will be sent to Hezbollah.
	The great conundrum here, the great trap is The Israelis are once again, in my view, on their own.
	The West has retreated.
	The so-called CNN effect has infected all of the leaders of the West.
	You see that even with the inability of this administration to stand up.
	Forget Israel for a minute.
	American forces have been attacked over a hundred times since October 7th.
	Let's just repeat that figure.
	Since the attack in Israel, seven weeks, more than a hundred attacks in theater against US troops.
	against American troops and the response is to blow up an ammunition dump at four o'clock in
	the morning when you know the bad guys aren't there. And real quick, talk about a misreading or
	a negation of any historical knowledge. When the Iranians stepped out of their box on Reagan,
	he destroyed their oil industry.
	That's where young Lieutenant Colonel Mattis cut his teeth by sending teams to destroy the oil platforms in the Persian Gulf.
	They backed off.
	When they got too close to American troops, when you were advising President Trump The word went out, stop it.
	They didn't listen.
	Soleimani disappeared.
	And in the meantime, 300 Russians went with him a couple of days later.
	And there was nary a word from the Kremlin.
	That's right.
	So the history of our engagement with Iran is if you punch them, they back off.
	Bingo.
	Because what are they going to do to threaten two carrier battlegroups?
	All right, I'm gonna have to move on to the next topic in the next segment.
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	All right, I remember a time not too long ago, you and I are both Cold Warrior We think back fondly to the Cold War.
	I remember a time when conservatives, patriots, the likes of JFK as well, thought dead Russian soldiers was a good thing.
	We have some people in our midst who call themselves conservatives, who have a strange isolationist attitude to the events in Ukraine.
	Will you give us your strategic analysis of what we've witnessed in the almost two years since that occurred?
	Well, I'll just say what we're witnessing now is the winter stalemate.
	I think the West, with its very short attention span, is now forgetting Ukraine.
	We see ammunition stocks dry up.
	And let me also say, regardless of what Biden says, there's still enough weapons in the pipeline that they have not delivered that will maintain Ukrainian forces.
	But we can't forget it.
	These people have destroyed 90% of the Russian army as it existed on the day that Putin launched his invasion.
	This is a staggering feat.
	The notion that Putin is a threat to NATO.
	is right now nonsensical.
	The problem is letting him reform and regroup and once again become a forceful junior partner
	to the Chinese triangle.
	I'm just amazed that some on our side think that because Putin stands next to
	the stooge metropolitan of the Orthodox Church who was first on the KGB payroll and now he's on
	the FSB's payroll, that he's somehow standing for traditional values.
	Yeah, so the idea that any conservative can peddle that a former KGB colonel who persecuted Christians during the Cold War is somehow a champion of Christian civilization, I mean, you really have no sense of history.
	That's exactly right.
	And that's the kind of nonsense that needs to be hit, and hit hard.
	Zelensky has some time.
	The winter is coming.
	The Russians proved they couldn't operate very well in the summer.
	But remember what the Russian steamroller is.
	They are willing to sacrifice ten of them to get one of you.
	And that is still a threat.
	And we shall see.
	I think it's also up to Europe.
	And had we had a leader like Mr. Trump, I think the Europeans would have been falling into line.
	Well, it wouldn't have happened, but if we get President Trump back in the White House, what's the best that we can expect?
	Would it be a frozen conflict like Transnistria?
	Is Crimea a write-off?
	I can tell you what I think the president would do.
	Putin, you pull back or I give them everything they want.
	Bingo.
	He said that.
	That's it.
	Right.
	That's very simple.
	Right.
	And that puts Putin on the back foot.
	On his petard.
	Right.
	Because what's he going to say to his people?
	Right.
	Right.
	You know, the empty chairs are sprouting throughout Russia at a greater rate than they did in Afghanistan.
	Yes, yes.
	And remember that one of the key points for perestroika, for glasnost, for the communist Gorbachev trying to reform communism was the pressure that was finally brought to bear by the mothers, by the grandmothers of the conscripts who were brought home in caskets, in aluminum caskets from Afghanistan.
	Now, the number is far, far greater over a far shorter period of time.
	We're talking to the former Secretary of Veterans Affairs in the Trump administration, the man who was responsible for all readiness of armed forces in the Pentagon prior to that, Robert Wilkie.
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	I know you have very strong ties to Fayetteville, Vietnam, Fort Bragg.
	I have to ask you about these cultural assaults. I mean, what is the name of the statue
	in Arlington Cemetery?
	Isn't it the Statue of Reconciliation?
	Yeah, it is the Confederate memorial, but it is a statue placed there...
	To bring Americans together.
	William McKinley began it. Teddy Roosevelt pushed it.
	Let's put the article.
	It's based on a speech you gave.
	It's from the American First Policy Institute.
	No more signs on Bragg Boulevard.
	We have the renaming of the base.
	We have the tearing down now of a statue in the most sacred, hallowed piece of real estate in America.
	Why are they doing this, Secretary?
	Well, let's look at Great Britain first, real quick.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	If you want to know about how a nation had traditionally honoured its past, Whitehall, the engine room of the British Empire, one end of the street standing guard over Parliament is Oliver Cromwell, the Lord Protector.
	The other end of the street is the monarch, Charles I. Oliver Cromwell chopped his head off.
	Right, right.
	It's quite a juxtaposition.
	That's right.
	Both sides honored.
	What we see here is an assault on the meaning of America.
	The Confederacy is the low-hanging fruit.
	And by the way, that monument is also a Jewish Would you explain who's there?
	The sculptor was a man named Moses Ezekiel.
	His family was instrumental in the founding of B'nai B'rith.
	In fact, his most famous statue is in Philadelphia.
	It's called Religious Liberty.
	And it's about tolerance and the acceptance in the new world of the Jewish people.
	So I don't think it's lost on me that what is happening on our college campuses and what have you.
	Because what happened two days ago is a judge went out to Arlington and those who were, I think it was descendants of the sculptor, said, you can't remove this.
	You're desecrating, you know, the burial sites.
	And the judge said, oh, no, no, no, no, no.
	Nothing will be disturbed.
	Well, you can't.
	You have to disturb it because his headstone is right up against the statue.
	But what is the issue here?
	The issue here is not peace and reconciliation.
	Remember, I spent—this is about destruction and division.
	Right.
	It's about people who fundamentally despise this nation and all of its history.
	I spent three years at VA trying to keep Nancy Pelosi from ripping Abraham Lincoln's words off of the hospital, because the great emancipator had the temerity in a speech he gave in 1865, not to mention Democrat Party interest groups.
	What was she trying to do?
	Tell our listeners what she was trying to do.
	When you were secretary of the VA?
	When I was secretary.
	VA has, on its headquarters and all of its hospitals, the last paragraph of the most biblically righteous address ever given by an American president, the second inaugural, with malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see that.
	Let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his willow and orphan, and secure for us And these words were deemed offensive?
	These words were deemed offensive?
	Because they didn't mention anyone other than soldiers and orphans and widows.
	But you're the Veterans Affairs.
	And it's a connection to arguably the greatest of American leaders.
	And he's the one who created VA in a very nebulous form in 1865.
	But that is cultural masochism on a grand scale.
	George Orwell, I think it's called the Peers of Wigan.
	Yes.
	He talked about... Wigan Pier.
	Wigan Pier.
	He talked about why the resentment.
	He said it's not because the left loves the poor.
	It's not because the left loves the downtrodden and the dispossessed.
	It's because the left despises success.
	The left despises tradition.
	It despises religion.
	And to control the past, you control the narrative here.
	That America, Britain, and its junior partner in Jerusalem are the great Satans.
	And we are witnessing the destruction of our inheritance.
	And if we don't stand up to it, it'll be gone.
	And as I said, the Confederate issues are the small ones.
	They've already ripped down, as I mentioned, Lincoln.
	They've taken down Washington, Jefferson.
	Let me ask, we have 30 seconds in this segment, but what happened to those words on the hospitals?
	They're gone.
	They're gone?
	They're gone.
	Yeah, they're gone.
	Incredible.
	Lincoln, the misogynist.
	Yeah, yeah, the great emancipator.
	We talked to the Honorable Robert Wilkie, former Secretary for Veterans Affairs.
	A sobering discussion and probably will be more sobering until we get leadership back in the White House.
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	I would probably enjoy it.
	Not sure if Salem would allow me to do that.
	But, um, given your pre-Cabinet position, let me ask you perhaps one of the most beyond the cultural assault on... But I think that's the key to the answer.
	That is the key.
	That is the key.
	But I just read this from the Post-Millennial.
	U.S.
	Armed Forces miss recruitment by 41,000 troops.
	What's it going to take, if God willing we do our part to fix things, how long will it take to turn around?
	Well, on the superficial level with President Trump back in saying that America is a force for good, And patriots rally round.
	That will be the temporary fix.
	But the long-term fix has to come from our communities, our localities, taking back the school boards, taking back education, restoring the centrality of the family within the American tapestry, and proclaiming the very goodness of America.
	As I describe it, and I've said this in Israel, I've said this in Britain, the only country in the history of the world to offer a helping hand to all the peoples of the world,
	including its enemies.
	The greatest... and I'll end with General Powell. A platoon of United States Marines
	has done more for the peace of the world than all the UN agencies, all of the self-serving
	celebrity telethons, and all of the virtuous in Hollywood and academia will ever do.
	Powell said that?
	Powell said that.
	He wasn't even a Marine.
	No.
	But he said, well, he was chairman of the Joint Chiefs when he said that.
	Right.
	So he was ecumenical.
	But you could apply it to soldiers and sailors.
	Yeah, of course.
	Of course.
	But it's going to take, we have to, it's going to be a struggle to come back.
	The fact that they haven't cashiered the president of Harvard.
	Yes, tells you.
	Tells you exactly what this is about.
	Masochistic self-loathing.
	Yeah, I think we have the title.
	I wrote it down when you said it.
	I think we have the title for the segment or for the hour.
	The Cultural Masochists Who Are Our Enemies.
	Perfectly put.
	That's why we love having the Secretary on the show because he understands that he served for the nation.
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	If you want President Trump back in the White House, if you want us to be safe and to prosper,
	well, tell the world who you are.
	I do it every day.
	I've got this yard sign outside on my front lawn.
	It says Trump 2024.
	It's got his booking photograph from Atlanta.
	Right now we've got it in a bundle with a mug and with the beautiful I stand with 45 Trump 2024 flag.
	After what they did in Colorado the day before yesterday, It's very simple.
	The dividing line is not Republican versus Democrat.
	It is a dividing line, a tectonic dividing line.
	You can take that image down.
	Between what?
	Those who love this country, like you, and those who hate this country.
	It is quite that simple.
	It's time to step up to the plate.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker, this has been America First one-on-one.
	Wherever you are, whatever you're doing, keep your head on the swivel, watch your six, hold the line.
	Never give up.
	Never give in.

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