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	Good morning.
	I'm here today to answer at a public hearing any legitimate questions Chairman Comer and the House Oversight Committee may have for me.
	I'm here today to make sure that the House Committee's illegitimate investigations of my family do not proceed on distortions, manipulated evidence, and lies.
	And I'm here today to acknowledge that I've made mistakes in my life and wasted opportunities and privileges I was afforded.
	For that, I'm responsible.
	For that, I'm accountable.
	And for that, I'm making amends.
	Yeah, it's not how it works, Hunter.
	You're under a congressional subpoena.
	You don't get to decide how you fulfill that subpoena.
	You don't get to decide whether it's behind closed doors or in open session, which means you're giving a press statement, yes, One of our listeners pointed out that wasn't a press conference because he didn't take any questions.
	That was a press statement.
	You giving a press statement outside Congress means you are in breach of that congressional subpoena.
	And what happens to people who are in breach of congressional subpoenas?
	Your daddy had something to say about that just a couple of years ago.
	You know, slow Joe, Beijing Biden.
	Cut one.
	What's your message to people who defy congressional subpoenas on the January 6th committee?
	I hope that the committee goes after them and holds them accountable.
	Do they get prosecuted by the Justice Department?
	I do, yes.
	Yes, I hope the Department of Justice holds them criminally liable and goes after them
	and they should be prosecuted.
	Interesting!
	Let's post that video on all my social media platforms.
	Let's make sure you have access to it and share it with your friends or maybe your Democrat relatives.
	Joe Biden thinks if you do not surrender to a congressional subpoena, you should be arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
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	James Comer, he's very angry.
	He's written a letter to the DOJ.
	Not sure a letter to the DOJ is, um, Gonna cut it!
	But here he is on Fox News.
	Chairman Coma Cut To.
	Let's start with Hunter Biden defying the subpoena.
	He did it in a typical Biden fashion.
	He showed the world the amount of arrogance and entitlement that he believes he has because he's a Biden.
	I mean, he doesn't think the rules apply to him.
	We issued him a lawful subpoena.
	We've spent 10 months building a case of corruption against the Biden family.
	We have their bank records.
	I think everyone in America knows by now, even the people that are all in for Joe Biden,
	that the family was influenced peddling.
	We wanna now bring him in and ask him what exactly he did to receive the tens of millions of dollars
	from our enemies around the world.
	It's really the most important question.
	Strangely that Hunter Biden didn't address.
	The narrative has, of course, been modified over time in the last three years.
	What were we told first?
	By the current incumbent of the White House?
	The man who, let's just be clear, was a politician for 47 years before he ran for the presidency.
	Was incapable of truly campaigning, stayed at home, campaigned from his basement.
	And we are led to believe, meant to believe, that that old white career politician, who was labeled by members of the Obama cabinet, as being wrong on every important issue for more than 30 years.
	That's Robert Gates.
	He's no Trump supporter.
	That man garnered more votes than the first black president.
	Uh-huh.
	Right.
	When the first evidence was collected from the Hunter Biden laptops.
	That, by the way, we know are real, whatever the 51 former CIA directors and officers stated in the public letter organized by Mike Morrell, the then-deputy director of the CIA, Was not Russian propaganda, because you know what?
	When Hunter Biden's attorneys demand the laptop hard drives back from the repair shop where Hunter Biden left them and signed the ticket that he was leaving them there, you can't get that back, which was never yours.
	So we know they're real.
	All the evidence, the hundreds of SARS suspicious activity reports that American banks sent to FinCEN, sent to the Treasury saying this Hunter Biden, his bank accounts, they're getting an awful lot of strange transactions from Ukraine, from Romania, from Kazakhstan, from Communist China.
	Or the text messages to Hunter's daughter from Hunter, in which he says, I hope you never have to know what it's like to have to give half of your income to your father.
	Well, Hunter Biden only has one father.
	He wasn't adopted.
	That father is Joe Biden.
	So Hunter Biden's giving half of his income to his daddy.
	What?
	When he was vice president?
	When he was senator?
	Or when he's president now?
	And income generated from what, pray tell?
	What is Hunter Biden good at, exactly?
	You've seen the photographs, you've seen the videos.
	He's good at fornicating with prostitutes.
	He prefers them from Russia, by the way.
	And snorting coke off their backsides.
	Smoking crack on camera that he takes photographs of.
	What are his other qualifications?
	Oh, being kicked out of the Navy because he's a drug addict.
	Crashing a rental car in which was later found his dead brother, Beau Biden's Attorney General's badge.
	Hey, Hunter, why are you driving along the roads of America with your dead brother's Attorney General's law enforcement badge?
	Oh, oh my gosh, how can I forget?
	Oh, and they found his crack pipe in the car as well.
	Attorney General's badge and crack pipe.
	Isn't that interesting?
	So what exactly were you paid $83,000 for every month by Burisma, one of the most corrupt energy companies in Eastern Europe?
	Why did the National Bank of Communist China give you and your company a $1.4 billion with a B dollar deal?
	Why did the widow of the ex-former corrupt dead mayor of Moscow give you three million dollars?
	Why were you given diamonds by Chinese businessmen?
	And why are you facing nine federal indictments for tax evasion that you've confessed to?
	What were you paid for?
	What was the service that you provided?
	You drug, adult, reprobate.
	And who's at the center of it all?
	Because you know it's not Joe.
	He's not too bright.
	His former boss?
	That's another matter.
	Obama, the trails all lead to him.
	He's the one who made Joe the point man for Ukraine.
	He's the one that authorised Operation Crossfire Hurricane.
	Wow, we've only just begun.
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	All right.
	Mic's on.
	Question.
	Yes?
	Title.
	Yeah, title for that and also for Chris.
	So what did Hunter do for all that money?
	Mm-hmm.
	Mm-hmm.
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	Oh, Joe's on the line.
	Mic's on.
	Greetings, sir.
	Greetings.
	Merry Christmas.
	How is the Yuletide season treating you so far?
	Very, very well.
	How is your lovely bride?
	She's fine.
	She sends her best.
	Likewise, likewise.
	All right, we have to we had to grab you and get you on to talk about the Supreme Court decision, the staying of the Chudgan case and the the Hunter Biden lack of compliance.
	All set.
	Do you have remote control lighting, Mr. DeGenoa?
	I do.
	I am very impressed.
	I don't even have remote control lighting at home.
	Well, this is Florida, the land of the free.
	I am impressed.
	I'm impressed.
	I'll have to find out more about that.
	I'll have to talk to the guy that built my studio.
	Any plans to come to The Swamp in the new year?
	We do.
	We do have some plans.
	We're trying to finalize them right now.
	We'll make sure you know, so that if possible, we can come in studio.
	Super, super, super, super.
	Angel Tree.
	Yeah, Angel Tree.
	Play me the audio again, please, Alex.
	It starts with the gift, but it's not just about the gift itself.
	It's about the presence of ministry.
	Angletree is the best way to go, because the children are the future.
	Angletree not only serves the future and the generation, but it also brings hope.
	I'll tee it up and then you can play it.
	Sounds good.
	And while we're playing it, play the b-roll, not the static website.
	Right, so I'm gonna play, what do I... I'll play the other Hunter with Joe.
	Cut 11.
	Then, what else have we got?
	I'll probably play Colbert in the next segment.
	Three or four?
	Four.
	Alright.
	Did you mention a book about fatherhood?
	To who?
	On the show.
	Did I mention one?
	Yeah, someone said they did and they want to figure out which one it is.
	I don't remember you.
	Fatherhood?
	No.
	I want to write one about fatherhood.
	Could have been any one of our Manhood guests.
	I know, um... Who have we had on Manhood?
	Holden has a book on that, Making a Man.
	Yeah, Holden.
	Chuck Holden has a book.
	Yeah, but this was recently.
	Oh.
	Who else have we had on Manhood?
	Kendall Qualls...
	Let's pray his book.
	It wasn't a prodigal project.
	Prodigal project.
	What's it called?
	Prodigal Project.
	Mic's off.
	Angel tree at the top.
	America first.
	Man, that's a lot of trees.
	Magnificent.
	I love that.
	Louder, louder Alex!
	To you and your kin, we wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
	Sorry, Rumble listeners, I guess you're not allowed to hear the music.
	I'll just sing along when I get in the mood.
	I used to like carol singing.
	I was in the choir when I was a young boy, talking of young boys.
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	We've heard from the children who have been graced by your generosity.
	We've heard from some of the volunteers and also the CEO of the fund that gets Christmas gifts to girls and boys who are missing a parent this Christmas because they are incarcerated.
	What about one of the fathers, former inmate, part of the Angel Tree program, Jermaine Wilson, explaining how much of a blessing you, dear listeners, can be.
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	I feel like I'm back in the Trump administration.
	Everything is moving at the speed of Trump, especially breaking news from the vote to begin the impeachment investigation against the current incumbent, to the refusal by his son to comply with a legal congressional subpoena yesterday, and so much more.
	We wish he and his bride were in D.C.
	for a longer discussion, but we will grab them in January right now.
	Let's check in by remote to our good friend, former U.S.
	Attorney for the District of Columbia, Jody Genova.
	Merry Christmas.
	And Merry Christmas to you, everybody there.
	All right, so we've played one clip of yesterday's press statement.
	It wasn't a press conference.
	Here's the other half of the explication and the justification for why Hunter Biden is in contempt of a congressional subpoena.
	Cut 11.
	For six years, MAGA Republicans, including members of the House committees who are in a closed-door session right now, Have impugned my character, invaded my privacy, attacked my wife, my children, my family, and my friends.
	They've ridiculed my struggle with addiction, they've belittled my recovery, and they have tried to dehumanize me, all to embarrass and damage my father, who has devoted his entire public life to service.
	I don't recall any of that happening.
	I don't remember Republicans on the floor of the Congress ridiculing Hunter Biden's serious addiction problems.
	But, Joe, there are some important questions that Hunter Biden doesn't address there, aren't there?
	Oh, there are an endless series of questions that Hunter Biden did not address.
	This was a PR move designed to distract from his obviously contemptuous conduct yesterday.
	He was up on Capitol Hill, but he did not go to the House side.
	He gave his little press briefing.
	It was not a conference.
	It was an opportunity to say something but not be asked questions.
	He said things that simply were not true.
	Now, he was given that forum on the Senate side of the Capitol by Eric Swalwell, who got him the permission to be out on that part of the Capitol Plaza to give his oration.
	Hunter Biden is very, very good at this.
	This was a design tactic to win sympathy.
	But it did not address the simple question that he had a subpoena to appear in a deposition.
	He did not appear.
	He is now in contempt of Congress.
	And my understanding is that the committee will issue a report, move to hold him in contempt, send it to the floor of the House, and it will be voted.
	Then it will be sent to the Department of Justice, where I assume that Merrick Garland will do nothing.
	But if he does so, he will be violating all the standards of the Department of Justice, because they did this to Steve Bannon, they did it to Peter Navarro, under the same circumstances in each case.
	So we shall see.
	We shall see.
	What does this mean?
	I mean, you are the expert.
	You ran DC.
	You're a practicing attorney.
	If he is held in contempt, if Congress votes to hold him in contempt, if that information is forwarded to DOJ and DOJ does nothing, where are we at?
	What situation has been created?
	Well, what has happened at that point is that the responsibility for enforcing Congress's power at that point will be in the
	hands of the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia and the Attorney
	General for a criminal contempt proceeding. Now Congress can go to court and seek to
	enforce its subpoena by filing a civil action in United States District Court, which will be productive,
	in my opinion.
	Hunter Biden is going to lose any litigation in United States District Court.
	So, we shall see.
	But once Congress has passed the resolution authorizing the impeachment inquiry, they have the full authority of Congress to issue subpoenas to anyone and everyone, including the President of the United States and his family.
	We shall continue.
	In the meantime, this man has been fighting the politicized DOJ and the FBI himself, along with his bride.
	Please support him.
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	Hi, I wanted to tell you that on the National Defense Appropriations Act that it's limiting the ability of the
	executive to withdraw from NATO. And it's also... Who told you that? I heard it
	on a show last night and they were talking about the provisions in that bill and
	they referred to a Michael Tracy on Twitter who was discussing the bill.
	Yeah, what show is that?
	Because that's fallacious.
	That's wrong.
	It is?
	Yeah.
	Frank Marano.
	So, it was on WABC on Frank Marano last night.
	Yeah, it's wrong.
	There's no such provision.
	You can't stop a nation leaving NATO.
	Okay, well, can they limit President Trump's ability to do things in NATO?
	No.
	It's a voluntary alliance.
	Okay.
	I don't know this Frank Murano trap, but it's wrong.
	Okay, then the other thing was that the Pentagon can initiate its own operational directional activities without the consent of Congress.
	Well, we do all kinds of things without going to Congress beneath the level of war.
	You do know that, right?
	We kill terrorists, we do all kinds of things.
	I'm not sure this Moreno chap has much national security background.
	Okay.
	Well, I was concerned about, you know, they know Trump's going to win, so I was concerned they're trying to hogtie his executive abilities.
	Well, forget about hogtieing his executive capabilities.
	They want to put him in prison, my friend.
	Well, I don't think that's going to happen.
	And I know he's going to win.
	Well, no, no, no, no, my dear.
	It's up to us to make sure that he wins.
	Okay?
	Thank you for your call.
	Thank you.
	Bye.
	Thank you.
	Thank you. Bye bye.
	Let's talk about the Supreme Court decision, Joe, next and then we'll let you go.
	Bye.
	Whatever.
	Thank you.
	Come in with the cut four.
	for Colbert. Yeah. Alright, 90 seconds. Title for Chris as well. Oh, for Chris. Yeah.
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	We are.
	We're having everybody here for Christmas Day and Christmas Eve.
	How's your daughter-in-law doing?
	She's doing fabulously.
	Fabulously.
	Good, good, good, good.
	Thank you for asking.
	Forty seconds.
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	As happened, we just found out that as of this taping right now, House Republicans have voted to approve an impeachment inquiry into President Biden, even though they admit there is no evidence to impeach him.
	House Republicans who support the impeachment insist that launching an investigation into a crime with no evidence is totally normal.
	Well, it is if you're a Democrat, if you're Nancy Pelosi, and if the person you're trying to indict in the Senate and first the House with an impeachment is Donald Trump.
	I think that's the funniest thing Colbert said in about five years, but I don't think he realized that it was, in fact, funny.
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	yesterday was not a good decision or a good day for Jack Smith the insane prosecutor who
	is going after President Trump, nor was it a good day for Judge Chutkan.
	Certain decisions regarding some statute 1512c paragraph 2 being taken up by the Supreme Court, who Better to explain it to us than our good friend Joe DeGeneva.
	Joe, what does this analysis or this taking up of these charges by the Supreme Court mean?
	Because these charges have been used to jail more than 300 people related to January the 6th.
	How significant is this Supreme Court re-examining?
	Very significant.
	The Supreme Court has decided to take up this case of one of the January 6th protesters and determine whether or not the application of the statute you just referred to, the new obstruction statute, which was passed after the Enron case, and it's a new obstruction statute that theoretically involves the destruction of documents, papers, and objects.
	Jack Smith has used it, however, against some of the rioters and the protesters on January 6th to say that they violated that statute, and very long sentences have been issued under this statute.
	Let me just reiterate what you said, because this is the crux of the matter.
	This statute was brought to bring charges for massive companies like Enron that were,
	for example, shredding evidence, not for people who were walking around Congress when there
	was a session occurring inside.
	That is the theory of the misapplication, correct?
	That is exactly right. And they've now taken up that issue in this case.
	This would be a tremendous blow to Jack Smith, because it is the theoretical underpinning of everything that he has been doing, no matter what the actual criminal charges are.
	He has been saying that they have obstructed an official proceeding by everything they did that day, because that's what that statute punishes.
	It punishes the obstruction of an official proceeding.
	If the court rules that that is a misapplication of the statute, all of those convictions must fall.
	And that means he loses the theoretical underpinning of all of his prosecution.
	Can you explain what this phrase referring to Judge Chotkan's proceedings means for laymen and women, that the proceedings have been stayed?
	Is that putting on ice?
	What does that mean technically?
	Well, because the Supreme Court has taken up this issue, which is central to all of the cases pending in front of them, and because the Supreme Court has taken up the immunity question, which Jack Smith has asked them to take up on an expedited basis.
	In other words, President Trump is claiming that he is immune from prosecution because these were official acts that he's being prosecuted for.
	The Supreme Court has agreed to listen to an argument from both Jack Smith and the president as to whether or not the consideration of that question should be expedited.
	If they decide that they want to hear that and they want to expedite it, that will put this case off well into 2024 and will probably change any possible trial date.
	Now, if they rule the president is immune, then the federal criminal trials against the president will all be dismissed.
	But even if they don't, if they issue some partial ruling, it's going to make it impossible if the Supreme Court takes up the case for there to be a trial in March when Judge Chutkan now has it scheduled for.
	So what she did was, she said, I'm staying all proceedings until we see what the Supreme Court does on these issues.
	Well, I knew I was asking the right man.
	We have to dissect in more depth when you and your bride are back in the swamp.
	In the meantime, follow them at Vic Tunsing on Twitter and support them at givecentgo.com slash degeneratuntsing.
	Merry Christmas to you, Joe and Victoria.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	All right, we'll get to Judy and Antoinette in E. Judy's back.
	Judy's back, yeah.
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	It's Pittsburgh.
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	It is?
	It's not Brooklyn?
	Oh, it's Pittsburgh!
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	Oh, play me cut ten again.
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	Is that what it includes?
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	All right, so a friend of ours, Julie Kelly, texted or tweeted yesterday that yesterday was not a good day for Jack Smith.
	Talk to her right now!
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	Julie, why was it a bad day for this lunatic special prosecutor, Jack Smith?
	Well, for two reasons, Seb.
	Number one, the Supreme Court Finally, after a long-awaited day for many J6ers, agreed to review the Department of Justice's use of 1512c2, obstruction of an official proceeding, a post-Enron statute passed in 2002, never used before the way the DOJ is using it now against more than 320 January 6th defendants, criminalizing political dissent, claiming that their alleged interruption of the counting of the Electoral College vote on January 6th
	Represented Obstructing an Official Proceeding is a felony punishable by up to 20 years in prison.
	I believe more than 100 defendants now have been either convicted at trial or taken plea deals.
	Some sentenced two years in prison, four, five, six years in prison, depending on the other charges involved.
	So this was a very gratifying day for a lot of J6ers.
	I was getting a lot of texts with mixed reactions.
	Some people telling me they were crying, they were so relieved this day finally came.
	Others outraged and infuriated that the DOJ has used the statute, weaponized it this way.
	I have to ask you, look, I think it's great news, God willing the Supreme Court will do what has to be done, but why this case and why now?
	Do you have any theory as to why we had to wait three years and why this one case was heard and not 300 others?
	Well, because this was really the first appellate court ruling on this matter, came down in April of this year.
	And what happened, Seb, in that case, you had a three-judge panel render what one judge called a splintered ruling, where you had three judges basically with three different opinions as to the interpretation of the language in the statute.
	So really, it had no other outcome except to get to the Supreme Court.
	Now, we were waiting earlier this week to find out if they were going to take it up.
	It's been delayed at least one other time.
	So everyone was pretty despondent.
	It looked like they were kicking the can to January, but then a miscellaneous order announced yesterday that they would be taking this up.
	So we expect oral arguments in March or April and hopefully some sort of decision by June.
	But the reason why this affects Jack Smith is because this represents two of the four counts in his indictment against Donald Trump for January 6th.
	Let's have a listen to the president who had something to say about this in Iowa and about Jack Smith.
	Cut six.
	And you know, now they're saying, let's rush it to the Supreme Court.
	We gotta rush it, rush it, rush it.
	They could have started three years ago.
	Everything, nothing changed.
	They could have started three years ago, but they didn't.
	They started just recently with this crap.
	They started just recently.
	They could have brought this lawsuit, Brenna, three years ago, right after I left.
	It's been three years.
	But they didn't do that.
	And now they're saying, we have to go immediately before the Supreme Court.
	This thing would have all been over with two years ago.
	But they waited, and waited, and waited, and then they saw I was running, and they waited, and then they saw I was hot, and they filed lawsuits.
	These are very dishonest people.
	That's called election interference.
	And now they're fighting like hell because they want to try and get a guilty plea.
	From the Supreme Court of the United States, which I can't imagine because you have presidential immunity, but strange things happen.
	But they want to get that because that's the only way they're going to win the election.
	It's a very sick thing.
	But think of it.
	They waited and waited and waited for years.
	In fact, nobody thought, everyone was saying they're never going to bring any charges.
	So this statute that was used for hundreds of J6s, what's the application and relevance to the president's case?
	Well, for his case, the indictment alleges that he is the one who inspired the quote-unquote mob to attack the Capitol, which resulted in the suspension of the proceedings that day.
	So even though he wasn't there, and of course other defendants have been convicted who weren't there either—I'm thinking of Enrique Tarrio, who was in Baltimore, the head of the Proud Boys—he was convicted of this charge.
	You didn't have to be there or even go inside the building.
	And you could have been there after the joint session recessed at 2.20 that day.
	People who walked inside the building at 3 o'clock had been charged with this.
	So that is why Jack Smith.
	Now, recall, Seb, this is the 1512 C2 obstruction count that Representative took up about half of the Robert Mueller report.
	This was the obstruction count that Andrew Weissman wanted DOJ to charge Donald Trump with.
	for firing Jim Comey and some other things tied to the bogus investigation into — not
	the investigation — into bogus Russia-Trump election collusion.
	So they've been wanting to nail Donald Trump with this count for a very long time.
	And, of course, this also produces all these other — this case law now,
	defendants who have been convicted or taken plea deals on it.
	We've got a couple of seconds left.
	You literally wrote the book January 6th.
	Everybody needs to get it.
	In 10 seconds, you followed this so closely.
	What is your expectation?
	Is the Supreme Court going to do the right thing?
	I think they'll do the right thing on 1512c2.
	Not so sure what they'll do with the presidential immunity matter if they do decide to take it up early and bypass the appellate court.
	Not sure what will happen there.
	All right.
	Well, in the meantime, follow this lady on Twitter at Julie Kelly, Julie underscore Kelly 2, and her substack, substack.com, at Julie Kelly.
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	He's putting his headset on.
	I don't know, it just started working.
	It's weird.
	But she said she was about to do something. I'm just curious what it was.
	Um, titles for that and for Joe?
	For that... The Supreme Court can blow up the Jack Smith case.
	And for Joe?
	Could.
	Could blow up.
	No, that's for Kelly.
	That's for Kelly.
	Yeah, and for Joe.
	And for Joe, um...
	All the January 6th prosecutions are in trouble.
	Mm-hmm.
	Thank you.
	Not coming up with anything here?
	I don't think so.
	Okay.
	Well, I'll mention Merchant Cruise probably.
	All right.
	I'm going to go to sleep.
	Good night.
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	We've got three ladies on the line.
	We're going to get through all of them in the next 180 seconds.
	Judy Pittsburgh, what's your question?
	Uh-oh.
	Okay.
	My question is, um, I saw an interview, Cass Patel, and it's regarding why... No, just ask the question!
	I said we don't have a lot of time.
	Ask the question.
	Why won't the Speaker of the House call the Sergeant-at-Arms and have Hunter Biden arrested and kept in the jail that's underneath the Capitol for that purpose?
	Good question, because it should be the job of the Department of Justice and the FBI.
	He's going to ask them first because that's the procedure.
	If they refuse, then we go to the Sergeant-at-Arms if we have testicular fortitude with the Speaker.
	We shall see.
	Great question, Judy.
	Let's go to Wendy Louisville.
	Yes, I have a couple of movies to watch.
	Very quickly, give me the two names of the movies.
	Okay, Rudy.
	Yes, we said we're going to do Rudy.
	Somebody else suggested it.
	I love Rudy.
	What's the second movie?
	Okay, Babe.
	Babe?
	The kid's movie about the pig?
	Yes.
	I'm not sure, maybe.
	Maybe if we get into the 2000s, but we're sticking to the 80s, 90s and older.
	Thank you, thank you.
	Oh, Antoinette!
	It's Thursday!
	Line three.
	Hi, Dr. G. Good afternoon.
	Quickly, I will say two things.
	First off, we want to say that those that live in the shelter of the Most High will find rest in the shadow of the Almighty.
	And the Lord replied, my presence will go with you and I will give you rest.
	There's so much going on in our world today.
	We must say blessings to Christmas and blessings to our country and for those little children that are being taken away from us.
	At the Planned Parenthood and the women that are being trafficked and we're going to have to add new signs as we're out there protesting and protecting these little children.
	If you're being trafficked young ladies, please let us know.
	I don't know.
	We're going to have to figure out a sign and they drive away and take the license plates numbers.
	But we're noticing that more and more due to the illegal immigration.
	Of course.
	Illegal is horrific, Dr. G. We're trying to not be sad in our hearts.
	Well, I have to say this, Antoinette.
	You sound sad to me.
	I've never heard you so sad except when you had that health issue.
	I'd like you to think of all the people who love you when they hear you on this show and all the babies you have saved.
	Don't be sad, Antoinette.
	You are a hero and you are loved.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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	America First with Dr. G. Welcome back, dear friends.
	Hey, Eric, when did that bartender say, when did she begin saying that the end of the world was 12 years ago, or coming in 12 years?
	When was that?
	Oh, I think 2018 when she first got elected.
	2018, so the world's gonna end what?
	I've never been good at math, but like seven years to go or something?
	Yeah, seven years.
	I guess 2030 is gonna be the end of time.
	Has she adjusted it?
	Has AOC said, SEVEN YEARS?! !
	I don't think she ever corrects herself.
	I think she always, you know, never backs down on predictions.
	Well, you'd need to have three brain cells to do that.
	What is the latest state of play at the insane fake religion that is environmentalism?
	Well, let's check in with the man who's taught me everything I know about this false god that is environmentalism.
	He is the man behind Climate Depot and a slew of superb books.
	Let's put them up on the screen, Eric.
	We have Green Fraud.
	Oh, it's AOC.
	Why, the Green New Deal is even worse than you think, and my favourite, the one that taught me so much, the politically incorrect guide to climate change, and his latest with some blurb from some chat called Gawker, the Great Reset, Global Elites and the Permanent Lockdown.
	Mark Marano, welcome back to America First.
	Oh, are you there?
	I'm here.
	Yeah, I heard you.
	Yes, thank you very much, Sebastian.
	And yes, you wrote the foreword to The Great Reset, an excellent foreword.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	Well, I want to ask one thing.
	The last time I spoke, we were texting and DMing back and forth.
	You were at the COP, this, you know, the high temple of environmentalism where Greta goes to hang out, this time it was in the Middle East.
	I just, I have this, before we get to what you've witnessed there amongst the grandees of this fake religion, I want to know how Mark Morano gets invited to events like that, because that would be, you know, akin to, you know, Sebastian Gorka getting invited to the meeting of the squad.
	So how do you, a truth teller, end up at the, the cop environmentalist temple?
	Well, it's a great question.
	We do it with a lot of sub-diffusion on some level.
	What happens is you have groups like Rebel News in Canada who can't get credential because the UN likes to keep the media.
	So we go in as an NGO, non-government organization, and even going in as an NGO, we're official observers.
	I have all these strict rules of what I can and cannot do.
	We've actually been banned before for violating their internal rules.
	When I had a cardboard cutout of President Trump, not making this up, I was in Marrakesh 2016, two weeks after Donald Trump won.
	I showed up with a cardboard cutout, a paper shredder, and a copy of the UN Paris climate pact.
	Went to the media tent, started shredding it, and I was immediately escorted away by armed UN climate cops.
	Literally, I had to wander the desert.
	They threw me out of the car.
	Hang on, because you committed the crime of shredding paper mark?
	Yes, well, they claim it wasn't properly, you know, permanent that I could do.
	And then people have been doing protests all week, but no one had done a protest against the UN itself.
	So they had to wander the desert.
	It was only 50 yards of wandering, but still, then the armed cops came back, seized the papers out of my briefcase, my press release, and then I was banned.
	And the following year, we had to petition to be reinstated as observers only.
	And I had to go meet with UN officials and promise not to be naughty again and pledge with a letter saying I would follow to the letter all of their rules and regulations.
	So the answer to your questions is I'm actually allowed in, but just barely.
	So I just want to know, Marrakesh, last week you were in Dubai.
	Why are these events not held in, I don't know, Kabul or Somalia?
	Why?
	I mean, I thought these people care for the little guy.
	They've had them in Cancun, Buenos Aires.
	My favorite of all time was in Malaysia at, what's the resort there?
	I want to know.
	I've never been.
	I don't have a Gulfstream jet.
	Well, they had them and literally I stayed when I was at the U.S.
	Senate.
	It was a $15,000 round-trip business class ticket.
	Stayed at a five-star oceanfront resort in Bali.
	And we literally, in Indonesia, we literally had luau's every night.
	This was on the State Department tax, you know, budget.
	They pay your ticket when you work for the U.S.
	Senate.
	Were they low-carbon footprint luau's?
	No, they were full with flames and emissions and everything.
	I mean, this was, this is the reason.
	And by the way, this meeting in Dubai was the most attended UN climate summit ever.
	It doubled last year's attendance to the one in Sharm el-Sheikh down or Sharm el-Sheikh.
	Was this the one where the global warming resulted in the freezing of the private jets at the airport?
	That was in Germany.
	Reportedly, a lot of the private jets couldn't take off on time to make it.
	Let's stop having fun.
	No, it's too much fun.
	We will continue.
	So, what did you learn at the latest environmentalist COP meeting?
	Was Greta Thunberg there spouting her new anti-Semitic, Zionism will be crushed?
	What did you learn, Marc Marano?
	Let's start with Greta.
	Are you ready for this?
	Greta is a persona non grata at the UN Climate Summit.
	You know why?
	She's become too radical for even the socialist UN dictator-loving officials.
	Greta has condemned the UN Climate Summit As nothing more than greenwashing and a waste of time and corruption.
	And by the way, this is one area where climate skeptics can agree with Greta when she's talking about the U.N.
	So Mark, are you going to have to smuggle her in next?
	Maybe put her in a Trump disguise or something?
	Well, she did go two years ago, but she stood outside and condemned the UN, and she was replaced.
	Last year, she was replaced by what a lot of people refer to—I hate to be a Me Too movement here—but a hot Greta, a world named Sophia, who was 20 years old, who had her picture taken with the UN Secretary General John Kerry.
	She's some kind of fashion model, it appears.
	But let me get this straight.
	She was PNG'd.
	She's persona non grata.
	Not because of the reasons you've been PNG'd, but because she says that the UN temple to the climate is not hardcore enough.
	Is that why?
	Yes, exactly.
	She doesn't think the U.N.
	is—in other words, if we face the climate emergency, the U.N.
	would do nothing about it.
	And she's right about that.
	She's condemned the U.N.
	as basically too weak.
	So she's gone off on all her other extreme directions.
	She can't even go to a climate march without screaming about Palestinians and fellow climate activists pulling her off the stage because they say, we're here for a climate rally, not Greta Thunberg's left-wing politics.
	All right.
	This is just so much fun.
	Follow this guy right now at Climate Depot on social media.
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	That's what they call it.
	We've got a couple of minutes left.
	Mark, what's the latest development that's serious?
	Let's forget about the tiki torches and the luau's.
	What's the big picture?
	Here's what happened.
	Kamala Harris shows up, opens the conference, pledges $3 billion to the U.N.
	Climate Fund.
	The U.N.
	Climate Fund, which I call the U.N.
	Climate Slush Fund, will literally go to African leaders, South American leaders, who are best able to keep their citizens locked in poverty.
	We're going to give money, U.S.
	taxpayer money, filtered through the U.N.
	They both condemn coal and call for the end of global coal.
	going to ensure their re-election, build monuments to themselves, and crush the economics and
	development of their own citizens in order to keep themselves within net-zero climate
	goals.
	That was point one.
	Point two, Al Gore shows up, John Kerry shows up in a private chat.
	They both condemn coal and call for the end of global coal.
	They both call for the end of gas.
	Then you have the global sustainable fashion events.
	They had three different events.
	I'll be your official fashion correspondent for the Sebastian Gorka show.
	I went to the event.
	They had a red carpet event.
	They had a sustainable fashion.
	And I asked the keynote speaker at this event about this whole push by Mayor Bloomberg
	with corporate sponsorship of Google and Ikea about three new items of clothing per person per year
	limit by 2030.
	And the UN doubled down.
	The spokesman said, absolutely, but it depends on what kind of clothing.
	If you buy say organic hemp or cockroach infused clothing, you can buy more than three,
	but if you're buying animal or synthetic, no.
	They did all that.
	The other thing they did is right before this conference, 200 medical journals called for climate change,
	petitioned the WHO and the UN to declare climate change a public health threat.
	They want to COVIDize climate change and bypass democracy and have it in the realm of public health so that they can impose bans on car, bans on travel, all the while the same time during this, one last key point, CNN, feature article about how we need carbon passports to limit people's travel.
	When you exceed your carbon limit, you're no longer able to fly, starting with internationally.
	This was all going on during this conference.
	Except if you have a private jet, of course.
	All right, we need to break this down in studio for a whole hour.
	In the meantime, follow this man, Mark Marana.
	If I only get three items of clothing, I'm going to make sure that they are Chris Christie suits, because then I can make a whole wardrobe out of them.
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	Her name is Sophia.
	I could send you I mean, I got into legal trouble because she goes I don't want to say this.
	Well, she wears very skimpy outfits.
	So I put I found her personal Twitter and I posted her sitting next to the Secretary General in a very skimpy skirt.
	I got banned on Twitter.
	I got a legal letter from Twitter saying my tweet was taken down.
	I got a legal letter from her lawyers telling me I had to take the post down on my website, even though it was on her publicly available site.
	But she was not happy with me.
	What was your transgression?
	her re-posting a shot of her in a very skimpy skirt sitting next to the lecherous old UN
	Secretary General Antonio Gutierrez. And the claim was it was a private photo from her own
	Instagram account and I had no right to repost it. So we actually did take it down.
	It's called social media.
	I know, but Twitter's lawyers sided with her and Twitter banned the site and they were
	causing all kinds of problems and they were going after my website. So, you know,
	According to my lawyer, we had to give in.
	Is she Swedish as well?
	She's American.
	No, she's American.
	She might be of Iranian descent or something, but if you look her up, Sofia Kanani, she's got a whole thing.
	Oh, his photographs of her with the Pope.
	Wow.
	Yeah, she's been with the Pope all over the UN climate summits.
	People do call her Hot Greta because she goes around like she's going out clubbing at a nightclub dressed like that.
	She's very attractive and about the same age as Greta now.
	Maybe a little younger than Greta now.
	That was superb, Mark.
	Alright, thanks a lot, Sebastian.
	Thank you, buddy.
	Bye-bye.
	Merry Christmas.
	Alrighty, so we got two minutes while we're on the break.
	Let's pound through some super chats actually.
	Yeah!
	A couple of donos from previous days I neglected to read because of hectic business, hectic days and whatnot.
	Jules15 for $5 a while ago said, I hope everyone buys as many firearms as they can before the election year cost to them occurs.
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	a while ago, said California State Capitol Christmas tree lighting canceled because of
	pro-Palestine protests.
	Attacks on Christmas tree lightings like Rockefeller Center prove these are anti-Judeo-Christian
	protests.
	Yep.
	And then today, Scooter McDuder for five.
	Jack Smith losing?
	What else do you expect from the man who gives a press conference in Star Trek cosplay?
	Thank you all so much for the massive support.
	We appreciate you.
	Merry Christmas to all of you.
	Scooter McDuder.
	I did think it was weird when he did that press conference wearing like what like purple
	and black or like, or no, what was it?
	Who?
	Smith.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	Or maybe that was like a, he was at a graduation ceremony or something, and his gown was, like, purplish, and it just looked really weird.
	Maybe.
	Yeah.
	Um, title for Mark.
	Um.
	And also for- Move over, uh, anti-Semitic Greta, make room for Hot Greta.
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	So, I was listening to the local station in DC this morning, as is my wont, And there was a news item about drug prevention and drug deaths in Maryland.
	Now, let me just look it up on the fly, because this is live radio.
	This isn't a massive state, or at least Maryland isn't a massive state.
	Oh!
	Six million people.
	That's half the size of London.
	Not exactly a big state.
	And the news announcer said something that just made me stop in my tracks.
	It's a very very effective way of communicating.
	The news announcer on this broadcast said there will be two and a half thousand empty chairs this Christmas in Maryland.
	What do you mean empty chairs?
	People traveling?
	Are they working overseas?
	Are they in the military?
	No, there are two and a half thousand human beings who are dead, who died this year in Maryland from overdoses such as fentanyl.
	Let me repeat that.
	In a state of just six million humans, two and a half thousand ceased to breathe.
	Are buried, are cremated because of drug overdoses.
	And then they went to some interview with some, you know, state politician or official who said, and we are doubling the budget as a result for the Maryland Overdose Advisory Committee.
	Sorry?
	The Maryland Overdose Advisory Committee?
	That's gonna save lives.
	Really?
	In the state next door in Virginia, another story of fentanyl-laced gummy bears being distributed in a fourth-grade classroom in a public school.
	Fourth grade.
	Fentanyl-laced gummy bears.
	And then it all connects to a tweet I saw yesterday from Carrie Lake, good friend of the show.
	Actually, one of our guest hosts.
	We need to get her back.
	The woman who should be the governor of Arizona.
	She texts a story, tweets a story from the Carolinas.
	On Sunday, North Carolina deputies pulled over a tractor trailer for a traffic violation.
	A search of the vehicle discovered enough fentanyl to kill 27 million people.
	27 million people.
	This WMD, oh and she's right, it is a weapon of mass destruction, this WMD had come in through the Mexico border just 48 hours previously.
	The open border policies of the Democrat Party allowed this poison into our country.
	And underneath she has the photograph of the story of the interception.
	Two and a half thousand dead in Maryland in one year, 110,000 killed across the nation, and enough poison to kill 27 million Americans found in one tractor trailer.
	Why?
	Because they don't give a damn about you.
	From Biden, to Kamala, to Alejandro Mayorkas, to Christopher Wray, all of them.
	To that ugly man in a dress who's supposed to be... What is he Eric?
	Health something blah blah blah.
	Who's Richard Levine?
	What is he?
	Some health position with HHS I believe.
	Right.
	He's more interested in ridiculing women and pretending to be one, an ugly one.
	It's an act of war.
	It's an act of war by China, from whence the precursors are shipped to Mexico.
	It's an act of war by the cartels against America.
	And it is an act of war that this administration is aiding and abetting.
	Where's that brave Attorney General?
	We had one on yesterday from, what was it, Missouri?
	Where's that brave local sheriff who wants to do some justice and arrest these people, the Americans who are making it possible?
	Why are there two and a half thousand empty chairs this Christmas at family tables in Maryland?
	Because this government and this party They only care about power.
	They don't care about you.
	They don't care about your nephew who OD'd.
	They don't care about the women being trafficked across the border.
	They just don't care.
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	It's an act of war and Biden's on their side.
	We have 1700 people on Rumble today.
	Whoa!
	What's that about?
	Yeah, we peaked at almost 1,900 yesterday.
	Wow.
	What was the title yesterday?
	Title yesterday was... I think it was Hunter-related.
	Uh-huh.
	Today's was about Vivec, by the way, so we want to play that at some point.
	Yesterday's was... Yeah, Hunter Biden Defies Subpoena.
	Finally I'm getting some some of the imagery from Oxford.
	Oh!
	So how long was it?
	How long did the whole thing last?
	The whole thing?
	Yeah.
	Not long.
	I mean it was ten minutes for each of us six debaters.
	So that's an hour.
	And then questions from the floor.
	But you had to have a formal dinner beforehand.
	Right.
	Then the photographs and then... So I was thinking the actual like the debate itself properly.
	Yeah the debate was like under two hours.
	Yeah maybe about two hours.
	Gotcha.
	Alright, we've done the crews, pod, and merch.
	Oh, we didn't mention the president's website.
	MyPillow will go to calls with Ray.
	Oh my gosh, I need to, um, do one of these CNN hits.
	Oh, goodness, those... Vivek?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	They're longer cuts, too.
	I know, I know, I know.
	Because friend is D. Ooh, yeah, um... Alright, um...
	Maybe do nine here?
	I'll do nine here.
	Yes, that's right.
	I'll flip it.
	I'll flip it.
	Flip it!
	It's crazy.
	I posted that video and it was rather popular.
	I was telling Jeff to keep an eye on Twitter yesterday, the Simp Corner.
	Because Trump was doing his rally in Iowa.
	Some of them were unironically saying, oh, Trump just encouraged everyone to go vote.
	That means he's scared.
	He knows that the polls aren't real and he's going to lose Iowa.
	He's urging them to go vote.
	I'm going to ask you a question.
	I'm going to ask Mr. G a question.
	Eric has been on the mic.
	Eric, Steve's gonna be phone, because he's...
	Phone?
	Okay, I'll get a picture.
	Oh, and what is it you say he said?
	Did he tweet something, Jeff?
	Can you send it to me and Eric?
	Yeah, but he deleted it.
	Are we off?
	Yeah.
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	Mute the mics, Alex.
	Yeah.
	I know Sebastian well.
	Listen to him.
	He's with us.
	Thank you, Mr. President.
	Somebody else who's with us is, of course, Mike Lindell.
	And the left hates him for it.
	He's a successful businessman.
	He's a Christian.
	He's a patriot.
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	I always wonder if people live in very segregated communities.
	Jeff, given the certain demographic that listens to radio, do you think the people who listen to the show also follow me on Twitter or not?
	Some do, but I bet it's largely different audiences.
	Yeah, they probably, they probably, um...
	Follow me on Facebook, but Facebook, I can't post certain things on Facebook because there are a bunch of flipping Nazis.
	And maybe they missed this thing.
	We'll get, oh, I see Ray's on the line.
	We'll get to Ray in a second.
	But I saw this video yesterday.
	I didn't even realize Ron DeSantis was at the town hall.
	When was that, Eric?
	Like two days ago, Ron DeSantis was on CNN or something, right?
	Yeah, I was seeing it with Jake Tapper, I believe.
	Nobody knew it was happening.
	Well, everybody knows about Vivek and he was on CNN yesterday because I played I posted a clip, it's a five minute clip, and it's got one and a half million impressions in less than a day.
	What's it about?
	I just said I'd like to report a murder.
	CNN is dead.
	And this is how Vivek killed them.
	Listen to the reporter.
	Her name is Abby Philip.
	We'll just play a couple of minutes of it and then we'll get to your cause.
	But this is how it is done.
	Where is the evidence that the government had a plot, an inside job, to fire, to foment violence on January 6th?
	I'm not going to let you put words in my mouth.
	I'm going to put my words in my mouth.
	And I'm going to tell you what I mean by that.
	Where is the evidence that the government was involved in planning or executing January 6th?
	Where is that evidence?
	I'm going to give you hard facts.
	And if I may, Abby, I know this is going to be a little uncomfortable, but we're going to go through this and you can push back on that.
	And you can push back on that.
	And let's do this fairly.
	Why did they suppress footage of now what's been released?
	200 hours of footage of shooting rubber bullets into that crowd.
	Shooting tear gas into that crowd.
	You didn't see that before.
	You saw what the response was to that.
	Now you see footage coming out of actually rolling out the red carpet for Capitol Police allowing people in.
	Mr. Ramaswamy, again.
	The vast majority of the footage shows police officers being overrun by violent rioters.
	That's what the vast majority of it shows.
	Mr. Amashami, the vast majority of the footage shows police officers being overrun by violent rioters.
	That's what the vast majority of it shows.
	You can't cherry pick.
	I'm not cherry picking.
	You can't cherry pick examples.
	You can't cherry pick examples and say that that is what happened on January 6th.
	The government cherry picked 12 hours of footage when there was 200 hours of footage.
	Cherry picking was the government, not me.
	Release the whole thing.
	And let me just finish one thing, too.
	Because this is super important as a topic.
	I think this is a civil libertarian issue of our time.
	Gretchen Whitmer's kidnapping.
	I want to be really clear on this.
	Because it's the same issue in the same FBI.
	Same even part of the FBI.
	Three people who are in an alleged plot to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer.
	Were acquitted at the end of trial because it was entrapment.
	That is, government agents put them up to do something they otherwise wouldn't have done.
	They gave them credit cards with spending limits of up to $5,000, encouraged them to buy munitions, planned something they weren't otherwise willing to plan.
	So much so, and I want people at home to know this, especially CNN viewers to know this, is that one of the jurors went to those defendants and apologized afterwards, gave him a hug, Apologize, seeing what the government had put a poor guy up to, who had to go to some Mexican restaurant across the street to get hot water.
	These people were exploited with credit cards up to $5,000, FBI agents putting them up to a kidnapping plot that we were told was true but was entrapment.
	Same thing with the Capitol Police, people letting them in freely.
	Many of those people have been charged.
	The government cannot put you up to do something and then charge you for it.
	That's wrong.
	That is how it is done.
	I texted Vivek and I congratulated him on that amazing performance and he said the following.
	We need to educate the public.
	My goal is to make the unspeakable truths mainstream so they can't be ignored anymore.
	Nicely done, sir.
	Let's squeeze in Ray from Livermore.
	Line one.
	You've got 38 seconds, my friend.
	Oh my goodness.
	Merry Christmas, brother.
	Merry Christmas.
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	My point is Yeah.
	the green energy, the so-called green energy idea cannot be built out. It is completely
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	involves raping the planet. They need to build hundreds, hundreds of nickel mines and lithium
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	Often using child labor.
	You are absolutely right.
	Thank you, Ray.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	It's all a con, my friend. You are absolutely right. Thank you, Ray. I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	By the way, the DeSantis Town Hall had 622,000 watch.
	Trump's was 3.3 million.
	When he did that one.
	Wow.
	In the summer.
	Um, can you get the Kyle Seraphine, send, give, send, go on the Chiron?
	Yeah, one moment.
	Did we play cut six on the show?
	We did, yeah.
	With Julie Kelly, yeah.
	I'm gonna use Cut 7 here with Steve.
	7, alright.
	Want the mics on?
	For him?
	Uh, no.
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	you you
	you On the side of the U.S.
	Constitution, America first.
	Breaking news, Jeff.
	I need your reaction to this.
	Developing Governor Chris Sununu has deleted all mentions of Ron DeSantis from both his personal and official government accounts.
	You know, he's not even important enough.
	Nobody's even gonna care that he tweeted about him in July, though.
	Nobody cares about that endorsement.
	But doesn't it mean that Ron's in trouble?
	If a big, big ol' useless rhino like Sununu is deleting his tweets about Ron?
	They know it's over with Ron now.
	Now their only chance is they think, oh, if we all get behind Nikki Haley, maybe it'll work.
	It's not gonna work.
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	Alright, he's worse than Sununu because he actually had a real job for once.
	But man, he doesn't look good.
	I guess he's forgotten how to shave.
	And is he angry?
	Here's former Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan.
	Trump's not a conservative, he's an authoritarian narcissist.
	So I think they basically called him out for that.
	He's a populist authoritarian All of his tendencies are, you know, basically where narcissism takes him, which is whatever makes him popular makes him feel good at any given moment.
	And he doesn't think in classical liberal conservative terms.
	He thinks in an authoritarian way.
	And he's been able to get a big chunk of the Republican base to follow him because, you know, he's the culture warrior.
	And so I think Adam and Liz stepped out of the flow and called it out and, you know, paid for it.
	He's a populist, authoritarian, and not a conservative.
	Hey Jeff, is Paul Ryan a conservative?
	No, I don't think so.
	Look at what he's done to Fox News.
	Oh, I forgot.
	He's on the board of Fox News.
	And the other point is, he keeps saying this authoritarian, authoritarian.
	Have you ever heard Paul Ryan give any examples of the authoritarian things Trump did?
	Yeah, and a lot of the left doesn't even do that anymore.
	Anything we say about Biden, we can rat off four, five, six things right after that.
	It's all fear tactics.
	That's all it is.
	All right, but he has gone, but there are rhinos still on Capitol Hill.
	Have they agreed to allow the government to spy on you again?
	It's called FISA.
	It's the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.
	Somebody who's very outspoken because he knows how it can be abused is one of the brave whistleblowers from the Bureau.
	Steve Fred, welcome back to America First.
	Great to be here.
	Thanks for having me.
	All right.
	What is the status of play?
	Is Pfizer alive?
	Is it going to be renewed?
	Tell us the truth.
	Well, it appears that they've packaged the Pfizer renewal with the NDAA, which will extend it into April.
	For those who don't live in D.C., that's the National Defense Authorization Act.
	So the money's to run the Pentagon.
	They've smuggled this espionage tools renewal under that.
	Sorry.
	Carry on, Steve.
	Yes, it's very typical of what we see around Christmastime.
	We always get the omnibus budget package.
	They did the same thing with the NDAA, and they have now put the extension for FISA into that, and it's going to extend it into April of next year.
	And from what I'm reading and understanding, they're going to extend it then beyond that, probably another 12 months into April of 2025.
	And why is that a bad thing, Steve?
	Well, what people don't have to understand is that, especially when it comes to Section 702 of FISA, that is a counterintelligence tool.
	It is used to look at state actors when they are outside the United States.
	Think of it as a spy working in Russia while in Russia.
	But it's not useful to an agency like the FBI, which is supposed to be doing law enforcement.
	And as a result of that, the FBI is doing collection and then doing reverse targeting on American citizens and using the FISA Section 702 as its tool to do that, collect information, buy on Americans, and then once they have that information, open investigations on those people.
	It's a complete bastardization of what we expect from what we ordinarily would have from a functional federal law enforcement.
	Because this tool was designed to surveil and collect intelligence on Soviet spies, North Koreans, Cubans, Iranians, or later members of organizations like Al-Qaeda and ISIS.
	Not Americans who go to school board meetings or who are the national security advisor for the new president.
	That's correct, and here's the best comparison I can think of.
	Say you and I are roommates, and I am under investigation, and there's a search warrant of our residence, and the authority sees a laptop that's in a common area, and it comes to find out that it's your laptop.
	Well, the FBI is now gonna say under 702 that they have the authority, they lawfully collected that laptop, and they're gonna go into that laptop and look at you now, even though I am the subject of the investigation.
	So that's sort of a criminal comparison And they can try to put lipstick on this pig and say that they're using Section 702 to combat the cartel at the border, but that is not what it's intended for.
	It's solely intended for counterintelligence, and those are people that are abroad trying to gain our national secrets from an intelligence perspective, not necessarily trans-organizational criminal enterprises like you have at the border with the cartel.
	And if we don't renew FISA, Steve, will Americans be more vulnerable?
	They're certainly not going to be more vulnerable to anything that's being advertised to them because, in effect, this tool, for as much as they want to say they have it, and they use examples of failures on their part to combat counterterrorism or to combat significant crime that's going around the country, and they say that they need 702 to do that.
	Well, they're not using it now as it's presently constituted.
	Instead, it's going to be used to gather intelligence on American citizens,
	and despite what Christopher Wray can stand up in front of the Senate and say
	that they've implemented certain reforms, the FBI has abused it in the hundreds of thousands of times.
	We have been talking to the author of True Blue.
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	Merry Christmas.
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	How they use FISA warrants against American patriots.
	And the warrants.
	Mm-hmm.
	Ugh.
	You can block.
	You can block.
	All right, so, oh, I like the Israeli ambassador there.
	Do, do, do, do, do.
	Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
	Play cut three quickly.
	Here's the thing, Hunter Biden said that he's more than willing to answer questions.
	I'm gonna tee up Cut 6, and then I'm gonna tee up Cut 10.
	6 and then 10.
	6 Trump.
	No, no, no, sorry.
	Five.
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	I used to read the Financial Times, especially the weekend edition, the fat Saturday edition, which had lots of extra supplements.
	I don't think I bought it in, I don't know, three years, because of people like Edward Luce, who is their senior American correspondent, and here he is on MSNBC demonstrating why I don't buy the Financial Times anymore.
	The fact that there is no there there probably doesn't bother the likes of Jim Jordan.
	I think Representative McGovern got it right when he said, when Trump asks them to jump, they say, how high?
	And they're now jumping for Trump.
	This is his retribution.
	And it's a PR, a PR, very cynical PR driven attempt to besmirch Biden without any evidence.
	There's no evidence, no evidence at all, none.
	Not even Biden saying that I extorted the Ukrainian government to fire that prosecutor because he was investigating my son and held up a billion dollar trade deal because of it.
	Who is Congressman McGovern, Eric?
	I mean, oh, Congressman McGovern is right.
	Who's that?
	For a split second I thought he was talking about George McGovern.
	Yeah, right!
	I don't know who that is.
	I'm quoting somebody nobody's ever heard of because I'm a fake journalist and I work for the Brits at this paper that is just garbage.
	Somebody who's actually worth listening to in the UK is the Israeli ambassador and she tells the truth about the quote-unquote Palestinians.
	This is Tzipzi Hotoveli on Sky News.
	I think it's about time for the world to realise the Oslo Paradigm failed on the 7th of October and we need to build a new one.
	And in order to build a new one... But does that new one include the Palestinians living in a state of their own?
	Is that what it includes?
	I think the biggest question is what type of Palestinians are on the other side.
	That's what Israel realised on the 7th of October.
	The answer is absolutely no and I'll tell you why.
	Well then how can there be peace?
	No, I'll answer you.
	The reason there is no peace is because the Palestinians... Without offering a state to Palestine, how can there be peace in Israel?
	Israel knows today and the world should know now.
	The reason the Oslo Accords failed is because the Palestinians never wanted to have a state next to Israel.
	They want to have a state from the river to the sea.
	So the two-state solution is dead?
	Why are you obsessed with a formula that never worked that created this radical people in the other side?
	Why are you obsessed with that?
	Think about it.
	Is that normal to carry on with a solution that never worked in the past?
	The Palestinians kept on denying and now it will create another terror state.
	Israel is not interested.
	No.
	Two-state solution is impossible.
	She's right.
	Why?
	70% of Gazans agreed with the massacre on October 7th.
	70%?
	Yeah.
	Who publicly agreed?
	Is it 90% in private?
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	you you
	you They say in Washington, D.C., if you want a friend, buy a
	dog.
	Is there any honor left in this stinking cesspit that is colloquially known as the Swamp Inn?
	What does it mean to be a man of honor?
	Because shouldn't conservatives have honor?
	We've been told for three years now that there was a quote-unquote insurrection on January 6th.
	And it was the Vice President who saved us.
	I just want to remind everyone what the then President of the Senate said 48 hours before the events of January 6th.
	Here's the then Vice President Mike Pence about his role as the man who would verify the Electoral College results.
	You know, I know we all got our doubts about the last election.
	And I want to assure you I share the concerns of millions of Americans about voting irregularities.
	And I promise you, come this Wednesday, we'll have our day in Congress.
	We'll hear the objections.
	We'll hear the evidence.
	But tomorrow is Georgia's day!
	We will have our day in Congress, we will hear the evidence and if necessary send the results back to the states where we had the strange reversal of results after counting was summarily suspended.
	That never happened and of course sadly the rest is history.
	What is the status of honor in politics and what is the future of the conservative movement.
	I want to welcome a guest to the show who impressed me mightily at a recent event celebrating among the short list of great conservative thinkers, perhaps the top of the pile, the great late Russell Kirk.
	Welcome to America First from Braver Angels, John Wood Jr.
	Sebastian Gorka, it is a pleasure and an honor to be on with you.
	As I said to you when we met, you know, I've certainly benefited from being able to catch your show now and again, but you are a hero of my father's in particular.
	He's somebody who, unfortunately, he's moved to Palm Springs, so he no longer gets the radio signal.
	We've got to get an affiliate out in Palm Desert.
	But he told me when I told him I was coming on your show, he said Sebastian Gorka is one of the great men of America and so he's thrilled that we're speaking and so am I. Well, you're too kind.
	I am sending copies of all three of my books to Mr. Woods Sr.
	We'll have to show him how to use that wondrous thing, the internet, to check out the podcast.
	But in the meantime, I want to talk about what you did at that event.
	We love Annette Kirk.
	It was a stunning, stunning event in DC.
	The first of its kind with a ballroom Full of young patriots, young Americans, and your speech was the best of all.
	We'll get to that in a second, but for those who aren't familiar with your organization, you are the national ambassador for something called Braver Angels, braverangels.org, which also has a podcast as well.
	Would you just introduce who you are, what your background is, and what the mission of Braver Angels is?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Well, Sebastian, I appreciate that invitation.
	So yes, John Wood Jr.
	Once upon a time, I was a nominee for Congress way back in 2014.
	I actually ran against Maxine Waters in that election cycle.
	Wow.
	And you survived?
	Well, I survived.
	I actually did better than any Democrat or Republican who'd ever run against Congresswoman Waters.
	I lost by the smallest landslide of any of her opponents in the history of her, I think at this point, 60-year career in office.
	But you know, I grew up very much sort of a liberal activist.
	I was somebody who Just as an annoying high school kid, campaigned very hard for Gore and then for Kerry, was an activist against the Iraq war, was very much inspired by Barack Obama's campaign in 2008.
	I felt at the time that it was an effort to move beyond race and partisanship, try to win conservatives over to that cause, made an effort to study conservatism and sort of wound up converting myself in the process.
	That's a longer story.
	But one of the things that I would say to folks on the campaign trail, because running in the California 43rd Waters District, it is predominantly left and black and brown, but they're Pockets of of conservatives, white and Asian conservatives predominantly.
	So whether I was speaking to a black democratic leading church in south central LA or a white tea party, predominantly white tea party club in south bailey county, people would say what did your age qualifies you to be able to represent a district diverse as the 43rd?
	And I would Answer people by saying, well, I have an interesting family background.
	My mother is a liberal black Democrat from inner city, LA.
	My father is a conservative white Republican from Tennessee.
	I grew up explaining my father to my mother and my mother to my father.
	And that's why I can represent all of you.
	So it was a line that was good for a laugh, but gave people some insight into who I was because in an age where You know, Democrats and Republicans increasingly see each other not as fellow Americans with disagreements, but actively as the enemy.
	For me personally, Democrats and Republicans are, at the end of the day, mom and dad, right?
	And so, Braver Angels is America's largest grassroots organization.
	that is equally red and blue in its leadership, its sources of funding,
	dedicated to the work of political depolarization.
	But all that really means is reviving a spirit of community and neighborliness in our politics.
	We do work with members of Congress.
	We do work at every level of government.
	But we are concentrated on college campuses, in local communities.
	We use art and music as well as models for civil discourse to actually bridge some of these divides.
	And, you know, I think the last key thing to say about that, Sebastian, is that it's not about getting people to moderate their political positions or come to the mushy middle, so to speak.
	It's about holding the fullness of your convictions but still being able to engage in respect.
	Right?
	It's still being able to engage in a way that dignifies the other party in the conversation.
	Again, as a fellow American and as somebody who we have a human obligation to.
	And so that's the spirit of our work at Braver Angels.
	And that's a little bit about myself.
	Right.
	Well, I have lots of questions I've been scribbling down with regards to that mission.
	And this is the luxury of having the long form interview.
	We'll get to those.
	I presume when you went up against Maxine Waters, you weren't primarying her as a Democrat, you were running as a Republican?
	That is correct, yes.
	So let's talk a little bit about that journey and how you ended up at this celebration of Russell Kirk's The Conservative Mind.
	So what was it that took you from, you know, the left-wing activists to the celebrating Russell Kirk in Washington D.C.
	with academics on the same platform?
	Sure.
	Yeah, by all means.
	Well, it's a long and winding road, and I don't know if I've ever been asked to explain it in precisely the way you just asked.
	So I appreciate that.
	As I mentioned, I very much was Inspired by the Obama campaign, by this idea that we are not red states or blue states, but the United States of America, that we're not a black, white, or Latino America, but America made up of all groups.
	I undertook A process of study to allow me to sort of more fully understand where conservatives were coming from, again, as a means of bringing people into this hope and change movement from the right.
	Now, I had Republicans and people who were more traditionally conservative in my family, so I had some understanding, but not as much as I would gain after going through a journey reading books that I had never read before, things like Wealth of Nations, Adam I started studying African American history from a much more conservative vantage point, and that impacted me greatly.
	And something that was happening simultaneously, not really as a result of my political studies, but I think in God's design sort of concurrently, was I was experiencing a religious I had grown up really sort of thinking of myself as an agnostic.
	I had certain experiences.
	But I met a woman from a traditional sort of black Baptist background back when we were both doing fundraising for the Democratic Party.
	Who challenged my worldview in a pretty, pretty powerful way.
	Up until that point, I had been somewhat anti-organized religion and I had a really sort of an anti-Christian disposition.
	Not that I was anti-Christians as people, but I was opposed to what I Thought was true about Christianity.
	And so I'll just tell you this very quickly.
	I said to this woman at one point, I said, you're so smart.
	How can you believe in a book of fairy tales and superstitions and racism and misogyny and so forth?
	If the Bible is real, it's got to be about higher vibrations and enlightenment, positive energy.
	Love, to which she responded by saying, That's right, for though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become a sounding brass and a clanging cymbal.
	If I have knowledge to understand all mysteries and faith to move mountains, if I have not love, it profits me nothing.
	If I give my body to be burned and my goods to feed the poor, if I have not love, I am nothing.
	I listened to her say that, and I said, that's beautiful.
	Did you write that?
	To which she responded, no fool, that's from 1 Corinthians.
	And so, I took the next nine months of my life, Sebastian, and I read from chapter 1, verse 1 of Genesis, all the way to the end of Revelations, and without going into too much more detail there, came out on the other side of Christian.
	I would marry that woman.
	She joined the military.
	We moved from Los Angeles to Colorado Springs.
	So, you know, very progressive LA to a military town.
	All of a sudden I'm in church.
	I was actually in a synagogue.
	It was worshiping initially at a Messianic Jewish synagogue near Fort Carson.
	So suddenly my friends are religious people, soldiers, different environments.
	I'm married.
	I'm looking at the world a new way.
	And somewhere in the midst of that, I eventually come to discover the conservatism of Russell Kirk.
	Hold it there, hold it there.
	I want to drill down on Russell Kirk and his writings and their effect on you.
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	So we left the story of your journey from left-wing activists to expert of conservatism to Christian, the journey with your wife's assistance.
	As I said to you the first moment I met you last week, I said, dude, are you a pastor or something?
	Because you have the gift of the gab, as they say.
	You have kissed the Blarney stone, my friend.
	And we left the transition.
	With Russell Kirk.
	And that's why you are on the stage to celebrate this man, the late Russell Kirk's, the anniversary of his book, The Conservative Mind.
	I think, what was it?
	70 year anniversary or 60 year anniversary?
	Incredible.
	So, talk to us about the role of his writing in your intellectual journey.
	Indeed.
	Well, in discovering the conservatism of Russell Kirk, I think I found myself coming into contact with roots of a conservatism that managed to connect to my own Deep conviction that within man there is an interior experience in which is housed the conscience, in which is housed the soul, and that the order of civilization kind of springs outward, if you will, from sort of the nature of the human soul, the human conscience, and the bridge to God that we all share.
	Let me ground that a little bit.
	As I said to you, I experienced a bit of an intellectual conversion to conservatism alongside a religious conversion.
	These two things happened in parallel to each other, and I appreciated the fact that the conservative movement has always stood for the importance of religion as an institution in our society and stood fast in terms of preserving our memory of the Judeo-Christian heritage of this country.
	But there's a difference between believing that religion as an institution is valuable and knowing that, you know, we have this Judeo-Christian heritage, which doesn't mean that everybody has to identify as a religious Christian, but it is something that informs our values.
	But there's a difference between knowing that, on the one hand, And embodying the virtues that are taught in the Gospels, embodying the virtues you mentioned earlier in the show, Dr. Gorka, this question, is honor still a thing in politics, right?
	There's a difference between understanding that religion is important as an institution and living life that actually bears witness, I think, to that sort of
	mode of being.
	It wasn't until I came to Russell Kirk that I found a conservatism that was anchored in
	this idea that to truly be not just conservative but somebody who is nourishing the roots of
	civilization in your own experience, you have to walk in accordance with virtue.
	It's not a matter of your political litmus test.
	It is not a matter of voting Democrat or Republican.
	Fundamentally, it is not a matter of your policy opinions on taxes or spending.
	All of these things might be important.
	Being a person of honor is more important.
	Being a person of courage is more important.
	Being fair-minded is more important.
	Being prudent and wise is more important.
	And, of course, these virtues lead into the way we engage politics, inform the way we vote, and all the rest.
	But without that foundation of virtue itself springing forth from the soil of faith, We cannot be sufficiently anchored to the wisdom of our ancestors and to the inheritance that comes to us really through the mind of God thinking out the American experiment in real time.
	We can't retain a connection to those things in a way that allows us to resist sort of the uprooted changes and radicalism that flows into the American experiment from all directions when we forget where we came from.
	And so I have a very sort of spiritual relationship to conservatism, as you might hear, in that way.
	I'll say one other thing, just to sort of, you know, put a funny kind of anecdote here in the mix.
	So my name is John Randolph Wood, Jr., right?
	I ran for Congress as a Republican 10 years ago, so on and so forth.
	When I ran for Congress, I was only beginning to become acquainted with the work of Kirk.
	It wasn't until a little later that I started to read through Russell Kirk some history about John Randolph, John Randolph of Roanoke, who of course was the father of Southern conservatism.
	It turned out I was named after John Randolph.
	I didn't really understand that.
	My grandfather, who was a major record industry pioneer, back in the 50s, he owned Dot Records, which some listeners may remember.
	That was Pat Boone's record label, Lawrence Welk, etc.
	His name was Randolph Claywood.
	His father named him after Henry Clay and John Randolph, right?
	The great orators of the Senate.
	I didn't know anything really too much about that history.
	It was just a name that I carried.
	It wasn't until after I started to read Kirk that I started to reflect on my own naming and wonder a little bit, sort of, you know, is this the guy who I'm supposed to be sort of named after?
	And lo and behold, I've To our friend Jeff Nelson and Ned Kirk, I've been John Randolph of South Los Angeles ever since.
	Names matter and words matter.
	I think there is no accident why he is doing what he is doing today.
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	So, Brave Angels, it's apolitical, it's bipartisan, it's about community, about your fellow man.
	Here's my challenge to you.
	John, if I may, you can try and bridge the gap, build community, as long as everybody wants to do that.
	And I think of what happened A year ago in Philadelphia, in that historic city of brotherly love, where Joe Biden, the current incumbent of the White House, stood in front of historic Liberty Hall, drenched in red light, flanked by Marines, and labeled half the nation MAGA extremists and fascists.
	So 64 million Americans were deemed to be, you know, beyond the pale.
	Can you achieve what you wish to achieve?
	Or can we achieve what we wish to achieve?
	If one side of the political aisle seems to want to dehumanize us and label us, if we go to Latin Mass in Richmond, Virginia, the FBI says we're domestic threats.
	Or if we go to meetings of the school board and want our children not to be taught bigoted concepts like Critical race theory that we're we're a threat.
	Can your mission be successful given those conditions?
	Well, I think that there's two things I want to say to that, Sebastian, and I do want to take it back to Kirk as part of framing my response here.
	Part of what Russell Kirk wrote, part of what he taught, and part of what I believe is that there can be no genuine conservatism Without an understanding of the fact that man exists in a state of sin.
	Right?
	We exist as fallen creatures.
	And so, you know, certainly it's not to say that every exchange has an equal distribution of guilt or innocence and that we're always equally right and wrong and this perfectly parallel split.
	But What's also true is that whether you're talking about Joe Biden, whether you're talking about Donald Trump, whether you're talking about Sebastian Gorka, and certainly if you're talking about John Wood Jr., you're talking about sinners.
	You were talking about people who fall well short of the standard of righteousness that I believe God wishes to call us towards.
	Why is that an important place to start, just philosophically?
	It reminds us that there is a need to be humble, I think.
	When we engage people, certainly people across the aisle, and when we think about what it's going to take to actually hold this country together in a way that allows it to sustain the tremendous differences that exist between us ideologically, the work Braver Angels does not require everybody to buy into it.
	It does not require most people on both sides of the aisle to suddenly say, you know what?
	Let's reflect on our positions.
	Let's be willing to empathize a little bit more.
	Let's do what we can do to tamp down the heat and stop demonizing one another.
	It only requires that minority of people, that smaller percentage of people who are willing to go first, and we do need these folks to come from left and right, but they exist left and right.
	People who are willing to go first in saying, you know what, I don't agree with what you're saying.
	We may not ever agree on the outcome of the last election or what we want to happen in the next election, but what we do agree on is that we want our children and our children's children to be able to live alongside of each other as neighbors.
	And if our children are going to be able to live with each other tomorrow, you and I have to begin respecting each other today, right?
	If even a small percentage of Americans are willing to live according to that standard and set the right example, others will follow.
	And at the very least, the heart of our society will be resilient.
	That's a lovely message.
	We will discuss those polarizing winds momentarily.
	in the time to come.
	A lovely message.
	So we don't need any more.
	We need the right.
	That's a lovely message.
	We will discuss those polarizing winds momentarily.
	Our guest is John Wood Jr., National Ambassador for Brave Angels.
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	I moved to America in 2008, thinking I was going to leave socialism behind in Europe.
	And I don't think I was naive.
	I don't think I was blinkered.
	And I arrived to an America where, you know, 2008?
	I didn't see racism.
	I didn't see systemic racism.
	And I look today, 15 years later, and I see a nation where race issues, if not real, are constantly being engendered and exploited.
	So, will you talk to us about the reality of race in America, the phenomena of Black Lives Matter, and the Interesting and I don't want to force you to get political but the recent polling is fascinating that 20% or more of the black community are polling that they will support President Trump despite the establishment trying to label him as a racist.
	So what have you witnessed in the last 15 years and what are your expectations moving forward?
	Yeah, well, thank you very much for the setup here.
	I already wish we had more time.
	But let me say this.
	I think that there When it comes to the realities of race in America, I think that there's two things, two frames that we initially want to look at this through.
	On the one hand, there is, and by the way, has long been, I mean, I think you can go back to Booker T. Washington making claims along these lines, you know, there is and has long been Something of an industry of race aggravation, you might say, that empowers certain folks in ways that suggest that if the problem of racism were ever solved, they would be out of a job and therefore might not really be so interested in solving the problem that they profess to solve.
	Of course, that's a phenomenon in much of politics, you know, generally, generally speaking, you know, profiting from the conflict that is the problem rather than actually trying to move to solve it.
	It definitely exists in a major way when it comes to race in America.
	What's also true is that, now I have to speak from the African American experience here, most particularly when it comes to the Black experience in America.
	There have been many things that have happened, not just in the long history of Black people in America, but in the shorter history of even the most recent 55 years or so, post-civil rights movement.
	That have led us in a place where you have a portion of the black community that has actually done very well, that has been integrated into middle class and suburban America, that has found its way to the universities, to major corporations, and has been sort of chief beneficiaries of the gains of the civil rights movement.
	Whereas you have sort of tens of millions of other Millions of other African Americans who have been more deeply ensconced since the end of the civil rights movement in inner city poverty, in gang violence, incarceration, in the underperformance of the educational system, not to mention the health care system and so on and so forth.
	And so, you know, I wrote a piece for The Wall Street Journal A few years back, I guess it was during the summer of 2020, where I talked about the differences in the Black experience.
	I'm married to a Black woman, the same woman who I mentioned earlier on, who essentially brought me to Christ, really.
	She grew up, however, in the Jordan Downs projects in Watts, historically the most violent neighborhood in the state of California.
	I grew up in multicultural, middle-class Culver City, California.
	And the piece that I wrote was about our differing experiences of the L.A.
	riots in the early 90s.
	We were both five, six years old at the time.
	I remember the riots as just a faint consternation in the background of my mind.
	I remember my parents walking around sort of nervously looking at the news.
	Something was wrong.
	I didn't quite understand it, and I didn't think about it after it ended.
	But 15 minutes and 15 miles away, after Rodney King was beaten, my wife, as a four or five-year-old little girl, was laying on the floor trying to avoid gunshots as they pierced through people's windows.
	Sirens blaring, the smell of fire and sulfur in the air, people running around and screaming, and looking up and seeing the clips of Rodney King being beaten just blocks, maybe not blocks, but not more than a couple of miles from where she lived.
	My wife had her first formative American experience in a literal American war zone at that time.
	The Black experience in America over recent decades runs along a spectrum that sort of leads from sort of my Black experience on the one hand to my wife's Black experience on the other hand.
	And the reality of this, Dr. Gorka, I would say, explains something of the confusion that permeates so much of the racial conversation.
	Because you'll have some folks who will say, you know, racism is not a problem in American life, at least not in the way that it was.
	And you can count any number of examples of black people who have succeeded in a major way.
	And for me, racism has never been a problem for me.
	Now, in the context of a Black experience such as what my wife has lived, what is true is that for people growing up in the projects, for people growing up in much of inner-city America, their only experiences with white people are with Overworked bureaucrats at the welfare agencies, overworked and stressed and sometimes low-performing public school teachers who are having to exist in harsh environments, or with law enforcement, with police.
	And, you know, for the most part, your experiences with police are not meant to be fuzzy and happy feeling and warm, right?
	So, you've got a lot of people who are just coming from an earnestly different stream of the black experience in America.
	A version of it where for many millions of African Americans, from slavery all the way down to George Floyd's summer of 2020, the American dream has never actually shown up for this particularly 20 to 30% of multi-generational poor Americans locked in our starving inner cities.
	I say starving.
	I mean, starving for opportunity and social capital.
	So, you know, what do we make of that?
	I would argue that American culture has become interpersonally less racist, that the social shifts pushed by Dr. King and the civil rights movement, the mainstream of the civil rights movement, the nonviolent movement, led to enduring changes in the conscience of America.
	But that along class lines, There is an enormous percentage of black people in America for whom the American dream has never actually shown up.
	And so when people make arguments along the lines of systemic racism, I think that the error there is in the implication that this suggests that the white people who exist at every level of society are part of a grand racist conspiracy to subdue black people.
	If that's the argument of systemic racism, I don't think that holds.
	I think that leads us into trafficking into stereotypes that allege prejudice where it frequently, if not most of the time, does not actually exist.
	But what I think is true is that for poor black people in America, as well as many poor white people in places like Appalachia, And elsewhere in this country, the systems and institutions of our society, the way our inner cities are governed, the way our public policies roll out, the way our educational system operates, even ways in which the marketplace function, do not necessarily allow for people to succeed materially in the way that they want to.
	And so they feel trapped by a society in which social mobility is not as much of a reality for some people as it is for others.
	I think if we lose the class dimension of that, we lose our ability to make sense of the racial dimension of that, because it's not necessarily strictly a racial issue.
	But because so many Black people in America, for reasons having to do with historic racism, are also poor and locked in these particular circumstances, That would seem to define the Black experience in the eyes of people who are experiencing it that way, as well as in the eyes of people who are looking at it from the outside, maybe looking to capitalize on that in different ways, or otherwise just responding to that.
	So, it's complicated, Dr. Gorka, but that's my analysis.
	And in terms of where it's all going, look, I think that I think that part of what Donald Trump has done well, to his credit, is being willing to engage the black community more directly than have previous Republican candidates.
	And I think that there is a raw material sort of working class reality and set of values that that elites in both parties and certainly cultural elites
	on the left have completely lost touch with that President Trump and many of his supporters
	are seeking to build a bridge across.
	There's a degree to which sort of university blackness doesn't speak to the black experience of people
	who are in the sorts of conditions that I just laid out, right?
	But I also think that there's a larger complexity to the black experience of America
	that explains some of the zeal that went into Black Lives Matter.
	Take the Black Lives Matter Foundation and Alicia Garza and, you know, comments against the nuclear family.
	Take all of that out of it for a second.
	Just that raw feeling that there's still work to be done.
	in terms of achieving the full realization of the American promise for black people.
	I think there's a reason why the death of George Floyd triggered a resurgence in the idea that there's still work to be done, because there is still work to be done, I would say.
	That's why we have Braver Angels.
	We're talking to John Wood Jr., National Ambassador, BraverAngels.org.
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	We're going to have to continue this fascinating discussion.
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	We've got literally two minutes left with you, John.
	I'd like to ask you to provide a message to the broadest possible audience out there.
	The white, entitled, student, On the Ivy League campus who's protesting on behalf of BLM and the person living in the inner city who's black, who is without a father.
	What is your message to those who believe that we are living in an age of victims and oppressors?
	What do you say to them if you just had a minute to talk to them?
	What would you say to them?
	Well, Fairness is certainly not an intrinsic quality of human existence.
	And it is true that oppression is a fact of human history.
	It is true that inequality, even inequality of opportunity, is a fact of life and a fact of American life.
	And it is also true that we have both a moral and a practical obligation to move society in a direction to where genuine opportunity for all people is increasingly a reality.
	But what I would also say is that The struggles of human existence are universal insofar as if you were born breathing on this earth, you are going to feel pain.
	You're going to feel isolation.
	You're going to feel rejection.
	You are going to feel that your life, at certain times, does not matter.
	Right?
	And this is why having a grounding in God's design and purpose for us is necessary in part for our being able to understand the fact that we all have a vital role to play in existence.
	We all have a vital role to play in this country if we choose to accept it.
	And that when you are confronted with somebody who is very different from you and whose ideas might even be repulsive to you, it is worth remembering that even that person may yet be redeemable.
	If you have the capacity to be your best self and appeal to their conscience, because indeed you too are redeemed if you have the blessing of being able to live life in a way that allows you to be in touch with your own conscience, your own better self, and with the Spirit of God that has given us all life.
	And so in the brief amount of time that I have, Dr. Gorka, I would simply say that faith, hope, and love are powers that can overcome all ills with time.
	Beautifully put.
	It shall be continued.
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