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So many things to discuss with a friend who, well, it's been far too long since he's been on the show.
He's the author of seminal works about the deep state, the plot against the president, and the permanent coup, the first of which was turned into an amazing film by our friend Amanda Milius.
Lee Smith, welcome back to America First.
Sebastian Gorka, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and thank you for inviting me on today.
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So much to discuss with you, Lee.
Let's start with This went viral yesterday on Monday.
This is Moby, who I had no idea had a podcast.
As Eric says, he should stick to doing new versions of famous James Bond themes.
But this quote-unquote electro musician interviewed the president's son, who had a very unusual take on what we have been learning of late about the Biden clan.
He's Hunter Biden on the Moby podcast.
They are trying to, in their most illegitimate way, but rational way, they're trying to destroy a presidency.
And so it's not about me.
In their most base way, what they're trying to do is they're trying to kill me, knowing that it will be a pain greater than my father could be able to handle.
So, President Trump is facing 730 years in prison.
He had his home raided by armed FBI agents.
But Hunter Biden's the victim, Lee Smith.
We have to laugh, but I have to get your reaction because you literally have written the books on this corrupt cartel that is the Bidens.
Yeah, I mean, the self-pity, I guess, is not that surprising, given the character not only of the first family, but of the Biden administration.
The idea that somehow they're under attack.
They're the ones who are really up against the wall.
And also, look, I'm not a psychologist.
I'm not a therapist.
But the idea that self-pity certainly plays a role in addiction.
And in different and different other issues that Hunter Biden is facing.
And so we're talking about a we're talking about a man in his early middle age or early, early older age who is still not taking responsibilities for the things that he's done.
For the way that he conducts his life and, frankly, the laws that he's broken.
And why should he take responsibility if he has a father and powerful friends who are always getting him out of trouble?
So it comes as no surprise that this is his personal understanding of what's happening here.
It's not really about the bad things he's done.
It's about someone who's trying to hurt pops.
There's also, as you said, there's this angle, this psychometric angle we have to tackle just for a moment because, you know, I've seen the contents of the Hunter Biden laptops, and they were numerous laptops, and there's records of texts between him and his father because this guy saved everything, not just the photographs with the prostitutes and taking cocaine, but you know, also the voicemails with his daughter saying, if you had to give half of your income to daddy as I do, you'd know what it was like.
And there's one text where he's done something for Joe, you know, some money has been wired from some, you know, business overseas or some government.
And he asks his father, is this going to be enough for you to love me like Bo?
And the response, of course, Bo is the brother who died, who was meant to be the scion, who was meant to be, you know, the heir to the Biden political legacy.
And the father responds, Lee, he says, no, that would be impossible.
The father says to the son, you will never be as good as your brother.
So this idea that he's saying, hey, if they kill me, quote unquote, my daddy could never survive.
Isn't that also an infra dig against his father?
I mean, look, I get some heat for this, but I have to say I have a little, um, I have a bit of a soft spot for Hunter Biden insofar as he's
a very damaged guy, he's a very hurt guy, and you want to see someone like this,
who has this tremendous amount of opportunity, get help and do well with what's
been given to you. I mean, you're blessed with all the different opportunities you've had.
And of course, he's done nothing of the sort. He's used this to make himself and other
people wealthy around him. He's wasted his money, he's wasted his time, he's wasted his
energy, he's wasted his life.
The reason that I have somewhat of a soft spot for him is because
It's about Joe Biden, right?
And they've made Hunter Biden walk out there.
He's the bag man.
It's about Joe Biden.
It's about Jim Biden.
It's about the Biden family.
But for some reason, they've all made this damaged, corrupt guy walk the point for all of them and collect all the money for all of them.
Where are the investigations of Jim Biden, right?
What about the president?
And another thing that no one talks about, let's remember, That so much of this corruption happened, right, both Ukraine and China, when Barack Obama was President of the United States.
And frankly, I think that the Republican-led Congress has failed on this count.
I think there was an opportunity to go after Obama's records, to go after different documents and find out what role Barack Obama played in this.
The idea that the President of the United States had no idea what was going on with Ukraine or what was going on with China is preposterous.
Well, I know.
Why has there been no effort to find out what Obama knew?
In fact, a good question is, Barack Obama, given your knowledge of Joe Biden, why did
you put him in charge of these different files, these very, very important files, as it turns
out?
So, Hunter Biden, the guy that walked the front.
I know Dan Bongino is a big fan of yours, and he's been saying since the get-go, this
isn't about Hunter.
It's not even about Joe.
This is about the boss.
This is about Obama, the man who was the president when Crossfire Hurricane, the man who was
the president when the joint FBI, CIA, NSA operation was okayed in the Oval Office against
President Trump or candidate Trump.
It all goes back to Obama and the fact that he's not even mentioned in any of these investigations I think speaks to the paucity, the weakness of the Republicans.
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I don't know if you were surprised, Lee, last week during the increasingly irrelevant GOP presidential debates because the guy who's actually 50 to 60 points ahead of all of them wasn't on the stage.
There was a moment where the phrase deep state was used by none other than Vivek Ramaswamy.
Let's have a reminder.
I think the real enemy is not Donald Trump.
It's not even Joe Biden.
It is the deep state that at least Donald Trump attempted to take on.
And if you want somebody who's going to speak truth to power, then vote for somebody who's going to speak the truth to you.
Why am I the only person on this stage, at least, who can say that January 6th now does look like it was an inside job?
Now, I like Vivek.
We had him on the show yesterday.
He's outspoken.
He's not a politician like President Trump.
He mentioned the deep state.
He said, excuse me, what about January 6th?
What about the FBI being incapable of telling you how many undercover agents they had disguised as quote-unquote protesters that day?
With that, with somebody else Using a national platform, to use the phrase Deep State, with the indictments last week.
Nine indictments, including three felonies of Hunter Biden for tax evasion.
Are we finally... I'll ask this with a heavy heart.
Are we finally getting somewhere?
Has all your work finally paid off, Lee Smith, or should we remain cynical?
Well, first of all, it's not just me.
There's a number of other people.
Not to say January 6th.
I mean, Seb, you know this as well.
I mean, Julie Kelly, the stuff that Julie's been writing about January 6th.
I mean, her work is so important.
It's a historic contribution to our understanding of the particular time we're living in.
Look, I mean, it's something you and I talk about all the time.
I mean, this is not about getting across the 50-yard line and that's it.
Yay, it's all over.
The good guys win.
We have all of our liberties and freedoms back.
No, this is a long fight.
This is a fight that I believe, I'll speak for myself, but it will certainly last longer
than my lifetime.
Our children will inherit this fight.
So, no, I don't believe that it's over.
But I am cheered that Vivek said that.
I mean, I have mixed feelings about him, frankly.
But one of the things that I like is that he's responding to what Americans are talking
about, right, to what Republicans and conservative voters are talking about.
None of the rest of these people.
And, you know, I mean, I respect Governor DeSantis an awful lot.
Some of the other folks on there, I don't respect an awful lot.
This is what voters are talking about.
This is what people are anxious and angry about, right?
Seeing your neighbors arrested by the FBI, whether this is, you know, or spied on by the FBI.
It's what people are talking about.
It's what people are furious about.
So the fact that VIVC is actually listening to what voters are saying, what their concerns
are, and one of the main reasons why Donald Trump is leading the field by 50, 60 points,
as you say, is that he's not only listening, he's been targeted by them.
So the idea that no one else is talking about this is telling.
Not just that they're out of touch, right, but that their strategies are opposed, right?
They are opposed to those of the Republican base.
So, good on Vivek for doing that.
It would, however, be remiss of me, as a national radio host, to have somebody of your caliber say, I have reservations about Vivek, and then not to ask you what those are.
So, please, in front of our listeners, tell us what your issues are.
Well, my concerns are that he's listening to some parts of the Republican base on things that are important, like about January 6th.
He's listening to other parts of the base, and he's mistaking different obsessions for actual interests, right?
When Israel's When Israel's war against Hamas broke out and as pro-Palestinian, pro-Hamas supporters on campus started to make a lot of noise, Vivek was really leaning over to a side that he believes, you know, the people who are always talking about, you know, a forever war.
Right, and Americans are right to be worried about our political and military leadership regarding conflict in America's place in the world.
But this has become a rather facile convention, right?
Forever war, permanent war, right?
The United States has real interests.
Right, the point being that if for 20 years we've had forever stupid wars, doesn't mean that all wars are stupid, right?
Right, this country still needs a foreign policy.
What we need is, we need serious people to manage that foreign policy.
And Seb, you were there, you worked for the man who did.
I believe that Donald Trump was one of our greatest foreign policy presidents.
All across the world.
Anyway, so my problem with Vivek was, in that particular case, he's listening to a marginal, to a marginal, maybe not by numbers, but I think a marginal faction of Republican and conservative voters, right?
Again, I can understand why they're angry.
The neo-Buchananite isolationists.
Look, it's very easy for people to say, neocon this, neocon that, warmonger this, warmonger that.
Look, the problem is that the people who have been managing American foreign policy, and a lot of these people who complain about the neocons, I don't think they exactly understand who Donald Trump was as president.
Right?
The kinds of things—how strong he was as a foreign policy president, right?
Trump was not afraid to use force.
Trump is also emotional, right?
There was a time when he contemplated hitting Bashar al-Assad.
He talked out of it by then-Defense Secretary James Mattis.
What motivated Trump?
Trump saw pictures of what Assad had done to Syrian children, right?
That's the kind of foreign policy president we want.
Someone who's actually moved.
Someone who has a moral core.
This is massively important.
Conservatives, at least, need to know who their president was, and God willing, if we do our part, who he will be again.
He's not an isolationist.
He said no stupid wars, but he was prepared to use force where it was necessary.
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Lee, we were talking about national security, the fact that President Trump isn't an isolationist
and he brought a moral clarity to our foreign policy.
You've written a supreme book on the Middle East called The Strong Horse Power Politics and the Clash of Arab Civilizations.
We focused here, after the death of Dr. Kissinger, on what I saw as his culpability for turning China into a superpower But you want to talk about this moral aspect of foreign policy and also his impact on the Middle East.
Yeah, because I think that he is actually the opposite to Donald Trump.
And also, Henry Kissinger injected what I see as a European worldview into American foreign policy, and that applies to both China and the Middle East, right?
In foreign policy, Kissinger's idea was that there has to be some sort of balance.
It was all based on, you know, all based on Europe, seeing it in terms of small states.
It's like the MetaNicht, the Bismarck, the balance of the jigsaw puzzles.
Right.
Exactly.
So you're playing one person off another.
You're trying to figure out how to balance different people out.
But this is not Europe, right?
We're not France next to Germany.
We're not Ukraine in between Germany and Russia.
We're not Poland in between Germany and Russia.
We're a very big country.
Our neighbors are generally friendly.
And on one coast and on our coast, we have fish.
Right, so we have a very different situation.
It's a very big country and a very powerful country, right?
The way that our national interests should be pursued in line with our national character, not as chess players.
But as poker players, right, that's our parlor game.
And what you do when someone's drawing aces from their shirt sleeves is you make them get out of the room or you shoot them, right?
And, you know, this is not meant to be like, this is how the United States should operate.
And it is how Donald Trump operated.
It's a big power.
We don't have to make deals with weird people.
The Kissinger bid is important in terms of 1973.
What happened was in 1973, there were two American diplomats who were assassinated.
In Khartoum, yes sir, Arafat was responsible.
They were killed by Palestinian terrorists.
Kissinger did nothing.
Kissinger warned against doing anything about it.
He kept Nixon and then Ford from doing anything about it.
Why?
Because he saw a larger play, that somehow the Palestinians might be a useful card to turn against the Soviet Union.
That started the trajectory of what we've seen for half a century now, right?
That maybe the Palestinians will be useful in this way or that way.
No.
It was in 1972 when we should have said, wait, Yasser Arafat just murdered two of our diplomats?
Okay, they're not friendly, and here's how we're going to deal with them.
Right?
But he didn't.
And so that turned into an American habit.
Donald Trump was the one—again, this is going to sound like an advertisement for Donald Trump, but the reality is he saw it through clearly, right?
Because it was in terms of American interests.
He said, OK, look, I think I can make a deal, get the Palestinians their state.
They showed no interest.
He said, forget it.
Then here's what we're going to do.
We're going to create a structure around the region promoting American interests by tying American allies together.
And that's what the Abraham Accords is.
The Palestinians didn't want any piece of it.
Donald Trump said, fine, we can actually have peace in the Middle East without the Palestinians.
But for half a century, people believed that the Palestinians were central.
This is so important, this idea that you've got to balance everybody.
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for the last two years.
As far as I'm concerned, we need that more than ever.
I'd like you to react, because I think the deep state understands he's the only person who can do something about them.
But we can be for last.
It's as if the central committee They issued their official talking points from the Kremlin, from the DNC Kremlin, and we had the editorial board of the New York Times, we had the Washington Post, we had the whole issue of the Atlantic, we had Liz Cheney saying it on television, we had Ann Applebaum saying it on television, and then we had Robert Kagan write a 5,000-word piece for the Washington Post about how President Trump must be stopped
Because he will be the next Caesar.
And I am reminded of the Shakespeare in the Park, summer of 2017, where every night the left portrayed Caesar as Donald Trump.
They dressed the actor in a blue suit, in a red tie, a blonde wig, and he was assassinated every single night.
I'm very concerned that this language, these unified talking points of the dictator is coming whilst we live in a dictatorship, is preparing somebody to try and do what that assassin tried to do to Justice Kavanaugh, traveling across the country with a gun and a knife and zip ties to tie up his family and murder them.
Am I reading too much into this, or is the left out of control?
Well, I mean, when I started to see all these all these articles popping up at the same time, I said, what's going on here?
This is quite clearly coordinated.
So, you know, I've been thinking it through.
But certainly, you know, some of our friends and colleagues like Sean Davis and Molly Hemingway at The Federalist and Congressman Matt Gaetz, I mean, they're calling this the assassination prep op.
So certainly people are concerned and the right to be concerned because there's a lot of I mean, when we see what the special counsel has done, we've seen the amount of energy spent.
Trying to destroy Donald Trump and that they're framing this, they're framing him as a dictator or something.
But it's important to keep in mind they've been framing him as un-American, right, since 2015, right?
And that was the whole Russian operation.
Oh yeah, he's not really American, he's disloyal, he's not like us, and therefore all of his supporters aren't American either.
So that's part of the larger piece.
Is it specifically about something, about calling for violence against Donald Trump?
I think people are right to be concerned about it, and I think that people are right to talk about it and say, you know, if this is something—this is something that we need to talk about what that side is doing.
So I certainly think it's fair.
I just wanted to say something about the clip you played with retribution.
I agree when Donald Trump says they're not—they're coming after me, but I think the other side is also true, and that is, They are coming after him, and one of the moving things is to see supporters, not just Donald Trump supporters, but other Americans, and we've seen it on social media, surprisingly, people are saying, you know, I'm giving Donald Trump a second look.
So there are a lot of people who are also coming to his defense, right?
So while he's protecting Americans, while he's—our retribution, as he puts it, there are people who are coming to his defense as well.
And it's important for all of us to remember that, all of the people who have, you know, who have Who have jumped to his defense, who stand by him.
Do you have any theory as to... I mean, I look at Ann Applebaum, who, yes, is a hardcore Democrat, but she wrote one of the best books on the Gulag system in the Soviet Union, and now she's talking about sabotaging President Trump's campaign.
What happened to these people, Lee?
Well, you know, she, she was, I found out researching Plot Against the President that she devoted, she, as a columnist, she devoted more column inches than anyone else to Russiagate.
Yeah.
Right.
It's an important thing that a lot of people don't see that the two, actually, the two main players in Russiagate in the press were the New York Times and the Washington Post.
It wasn't a lunatic like Rachel Maddow or Ken Delaney, and it was the Post and the Times.
And of course, Applebaum is a columnist at the Post.
Right, it's very sad.
The number of people who threw away their reputations having done serious work as either scholars, historians, journalists, and they lost their mind over Donald Trump.
And I'm sure you, I'm sure, you know, there are a number of people, Seb, that you knew in Washington, as I knew, people who just went crazy, people who had done decent work before, or even very good work, and they just fell apart with Donald Trump.
And it's something more than Trump derangement system.
It's the entire network It's a network, it's money, it's poisonous interest, and it's the poisonous community.
In many cases, that is Washington DC.
So yeah, it's horrible.
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Can we drain the swamp, if President Trump, God willing, if we do our part and he wins?
Is it doably, after what you've seen?
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Top people, right under the Attorney General, put him into the District Attorney's office.
Also put a man into the State Attorney General's office, Letitia James' office.
Happened to be the same man.
This is coming right from the White House.
This is a disgraceful situation.
The country's never seen anything like it.
But this expert witness, highly respected by everybody, with a resume that few people have ever seen before, said there was no fraud, there was no accounting fraud, there was nothing.
And this is what we're doing here while people are being murdered right outside on the sidewalks.
The streets of New York, where people are experiencing horrible violent crime of levels that nobody has ever seen in this city before, this is what the Attorney General is spending all their time on.
So just to put it violently, he's going to continue to testify, but I don't imagine he's going to be changing his basic statement.
His finding is that there was no accounting fraud whatsoever.
The statements that we put in were very conservative.
They were the opposite of what they said.
The accounting fraud and the fraud was on behalf of the judge and the attorney general who took assets and made them numbers that were fraudulent.
As an example, Mar-a-Lago.
As an example, Doral in Miami.
in Miami. As an example, Forty Wall Street and others, where they cut the values to a
level that nobody has even imagined. You take a look at Dural and look at the numbers that
we're talking about for Dural. But the most obvious of all, because of the fact that people
know it, is when you value a place like Mar-a-Lago at $18 billion, when it's worth anywhere
from 50 to 100 times that amount.
We had an expert witness in the other day.
He's the biggest broker in the country for luxury properties.
I guess he's the ultimate expert, actually.
He evaluated Mar-a-Lago at over a billion dollars.
And the judge evaluated it at $18 million.
The judge doesn't know the value of Mar-a-Lago.
And the attorney general is the one that convinced the judge to say that.
It's a fraud. The whole case is a fraud.
What they've done is they've weaponized justice.
And this is coming from the White House.
Because I'm being bitten by a lie.
And this is coming right out of the White House.
You know it. I know it. And they know it.
So, just to end this, the expert witness...
They've weaponized justice.
And this is coming from the White House.
Could there be a better summation of the reality President Trump is living in today?
Let's break it all down in the latest developments with Jack Smith and the Supreme Court with one of your fan favorites, Lord Conrad Black.
Welcome back to America First.
Thanks very much, Sebastian.
Lord Black is somebody who has suffered at the hands of overzealous prosecutors, understands the paucity, the weakness, and how politicized or perverted the American judicial system can be.
It's hard from the outside for us to read why it happened, but the I don't know if it's historic but the unusual news yesterday that there will be an expedited hearing in the Supreme Court potentially of Jack Smith's argument that a president does not hold executive immunity with regards to this president.
What do you make of that and what does it bode for that case and the others the president is facing?
This, as you know, is a murky area of the law, and the development of it is altogether contemporary.
We're in uncharted water.
I don't believe there's ever been a case like this, because one of the guardrails, traditionally, of American constitutional democracy is you don't legally harass ex-presidents.
Uh, that, uh, we've seen that many times, including in the case of Mr. Nixon, for example.
And I, which, which has undoubtedly has now been accepted by everybody, a wise and just decision by President Ford.
There is no evidence now, even now, after 50 years, that Mr.
Nixon himself committed any crimes.
It would have been a terrible thing to charge him, generated by the atmosphere in which
he left office.
Well, here we have a quite different situation, where the former president was, from the day
he left office, the prime candidate to be the next president, and we—the Justice Department
and some local officials waited until the most opportune moment to disrupt his campaign
until the most opportune moment to disrupt his campaign to be reelected president,
to be reelected president, to lay these charges, most of And the Justice Department and some local officials waited
to lay these charges, most of which have been described by objective legal experts who are not
Trump supporters, such as Alan Dershowitz and Jonathan Turley as nonsense, unfounded,
outrageous, and precisely, in effect, what President Trump called them on that citation, that
lengthy citation of him you just had on before we came on together.
I mean, it is clearly a political move by what is supposed to be an impartial, non-political agency.
And if you're going to politicize the media, you are going to destroy democracy.
And so, with all that said, I think what it shows is First of all, Smith, the prosecutor, is desperate to try and amplify the chances of a conviction of the ex-president before the election.
But secondly, he is so desperate, he is trying to bypass the appeal process and go directly from first instance to the highest court in the country.
Which, as far as I know, is practically never done, and certainly I never heard of it.
And I can't imagine that he has any conceivable grounds for requesting it, other than his own political convenience, which is not supposed to be a factor.
And in addition to that, I don't think it's any great testament to his confidence that he has a winning case, in that he appears to think that That he is for certain going to be dragged up to the Supreme Court anyway, so he wants to get there quickly.
So I would say that it is another egregious example of the attempted utilization of the justice system for illegitimate political purposes, but also no show of strength by Trump's enemies.
It raises the You know, it escalates the war and makes it perhaps even more nerve-wracking than it is for the ex-president.
But it is no show of strength by his opponents, and they're now asking the Supreme Court to approve what, as far as I know, there is no precedent for and no justification for.
You make it sound as if this is an act of desperation, likewise with his political opponents who aren't wearing judges robes in your last piece yesterday for the New York Sun.
You discuss how the left, starting with Hillary Clinton and others, are using the label of fascist or even comparing President Trump to Hitler.
We had four instances last weekend.
The New York Times, the Washington Post, the whole issue in the Atlantic, and 5,000 words from Robert Kagan, where they seem to be using the same talking points.
How dangerous is it when they impute that choosing the next president democratically will lead to a dictatorship?
Well, I think it's dangerous to their political fortunes, because I don't think any significant number of Americans And I accept there's scores of billions of Americans who don't like Trump.
I understand that.
Nothing wrong with that.
But I don't think any significant number of Americans actually believe that a comparison with Hitler is remotely justified.
Now, unfortunately, they're exploiting the ignorance of history, including, in many cases, by themselves.
That is to say, their own ignorance, by bringing Hitler into this.
But you, with a European background, know that they're referring to a man Who murdered 12 million people in death camps, plunged all Europe into war for completely illegitimate, aggressive, German, racist reasons.
A war in which tens of millions of people died.
And that is what they are comparing Trump to?
I mean, arguably the most evil man in history, the most satanic, evil, Man in history, responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of innocent people, much of it in a genocide expedition against the Jews, but six million non-Jews in the death camps also, and millions more in that aggressive war which he lost and ended with every square inch of Germany being occupied by its enemies, upon whom Germany had made war.
And that is what they have the effrontery to compare this president to?
I mean, even the most sparsely informed American on the subject of the history of World War II and its prelude will not buy into that.
I mean, even the scores of millions of people who don't care for Trump as a president would defend him against the charge of being in any way reminiscent of Hitler.
It's just insane in my opinion.
It will hopefully boomerang.
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I had the distinct displeasure of seeing the unedited footage of what happened on October 7th.
So we'll use that as the apropos for your Epoch Times piece.
Good.
Look, am I missing something, or is this the final desperation shot of the Democrats here?
Well, the trouble is they have another 11 months.
Yeah, I know, but they're surely not going to sell the idea that Trump equals Hitler.
I mean, that one won't go down, will it?
What are they coming up with if we're a year out, almost a year out, and then they do that, and they say that he... I mean, the thing I wrote in my latest piece that I'll send you is, this has antecedents.
The summer of 2017, when we had just been in office for a few months, What was it that they played in Central Park every night?
Shakespeare's Julius Caesar with the eponymous emperor dressed to look like President Trump in a blue suit with a red tie and a blonde wig.
And every night he was starred by the members of the Senate.
That was 2017.
And now Robert Kagan writes a piece about Trump.
He actually uses the word will be Caesar.
Is there anything more they can come up with?
I mean Molly Hemingway I deem to be a A very sober individual, not an intellectual bomb-thrower.
And when she comes up last week with the phrase, assassination info-prep, the information preparation for socializing the concept of assassination of the president, when Molly Hemingway does that, Conrad, then you just have to sit up and take notice.
Speaking from our side, though, I mean, she's warning that these people are in effect attempting to incite an assassination.
Yes!
But by the way, we can't allow...
The reference to Hitler can be assimilated to one to Caesar.
Julius Caesar, on balance, was a distinguished leader.
He wasn't a bad man.
You're being factual and historic.
These people don't care.
They see this useful phrase of dictator, whether it's Hitler or whether it's Caesar, the message is clear.
And they bragged in Napoleon, too.
Well, whatever may be said of him is not in the least bit comparable to Hitler.
He didn't go about murdering people in large numbers, and his governments were quite benign.
But I take your point.
They're just grasping for figures of abusive authority in the past, much mythologized.
And indeed, the bard Shakespeare was the greatest figure in the history of our language, but as a historian, he took outrageous liberties.
But you're right, of course, the average person would say, all right, he's just saying Trump's a tyrant.
But I don't think that's going to fly either.
We had four years of Trump and what kind of a tyrant was he?
I know, I know.
That's the problem.
They're saying if he gets re-elected.
Well, he wasn't sending the FBI to raid Obama's residence.
Eric, would you come in with Cut 2?
Then I'll do the angel tree read and then we'll go straight to Conrad.
I'll see you in a minute.
Bye.
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Trump campaign and they're honest about what they want to do and they're pretty clear about it.
And you hear members of the Republican Party saying, well, we're just, you know, we shouldn't take any of that seriously.
Where's the disconnect there?
Because the Trump campaign is pretty clear about what they want to do.
Yeah, I don't understand how they're still getting the benefit of the doubt when it's so clear what they want to do and they're advertising it.
Molly John Fast on MSNBC saying that the Conservatives, the Republicans, the Trump supporters are advertising what they wish to do and it is a dictatorship.
Which is peculiar because when we were in the White House we didn't raid Obama's home.
We didn't arrest former assistants to the President at Reagan Airport and put them in leg shackles.
That has only been happening under the last three years of the Biden administration.
If anyone has Latent or less than latent authoritarian tendencies, it is the current administration.
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Washington DC and I've never seen so many black SUVs and police cars in my life except
outside of a presidential convoy.
The Ukrainian president is in town not getting a A joint session of Congress and the Senate to address, but meeting with members of the House and the Senate.
Your latest piece in the Epoch Times out today addresses both the conflict in Europe and the Israeli-Hamas war.
Is there any prospect for an administration that is dogged, for example, by failure in Afghanistan to have a positive role in the next 11 months?
Could some kind of It's possible.
hobbled together by an administration that seems to have vacated the international theatre?
It's possible.
I'm not sure they have the personalities to do it, but it is possible, because the little
noted fact in all of these things, it seems to me, is that both those wars, and of course
wars are terrible things.
Awful things happen.
I'm not making light of that.
By definition, one of America's greatest generals, William Tecumseh Sherman, said war is hell.
And the only people who think it is a chivalrous, valorous business are those who've never seen a battlefield and heard the groans and shrieks of the wounded.
But it is hell.
But that said, Israel clearly is going to exterminate an enemy of everybody except Iran.
That is to say, Hamas, for whom the Arab powers have, despite their theatrics, have no more use than the Israelis do.
And they are going to do that, and that is going to improve the chances for a durable, just peace based on the recognition of Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state and the right of Arab population of the area that have some sort of a state
of theirs.
And in Ukraine, for 5 percent of the annual American defense budget, we are completely
innervating the Russians, who are, you know, putting themselves out as a strategic challenger
and adversary.
And Russia has, in fact, been humiliated by Ukraine.
Putin appears to have put forth his conditions for peace, which are essentially to settle where they are now, which would still leave A Ukrainian state of 35 to 40 million people in manageable borders, including part of the Black Sea shoreline around Odessa.
And if that's what the Russians end up with, it is basically a victory for the West, but not so humiliating a defeat for Russia that we can't then Gradually attract the Russians back out of the arms of China.
And it appears, for all we can see, that in one to two months, Israel will have won a complete victory in Gaza.
These are good things for the West.
Now, I don't see anyone in the Biden administration, certainly not the president or vice president,
probably not the secretary of state, but I don't see anyone who could really broker a peace
in Ukraine and believably take the credit for these strategic victories
as they likely will be for the West.
I think the secretary of defense, Austin, is the strongest person in the administration.
And I think the CIA director, Burns, is a capable man.
And so is the national security advisor, Sullivan, although he's steep to the eyeballs
in the chicanery of the Clinton campaign.
But I don't see them stepping forward to play that role.
I mean, we are all still observing with sadness the death of Henry Kissinger.
If there was anyone like that, or George Shultz, or James Baker, or indeed the presidents whom they served, I think I think it would be happening.
I just don't see the personnel to do it, but the situation is there.
We only have a minute left, but it would be remiss of me if I didn't ask you, how much of a sign of desperation is it that this flagging administration is allegedly, if the reports of yesterday are to be believed, pulling in Hillary Clinton to help salvage the Biden administration and his campaign?
I'm trying to think of the equivalent of people in a lifeboat capsizing the lifeboat, but I can't quite think of the right metaphor.
I mean, when you are in trouble, you reach for a winner, not someone who has already
been rejected by the person in favor of the person whom you're bringing her back to help
you defeat.
I mean, what they imagine Hillary Clinton can bring to the party, I don't know.
I mean, if it was Bill Clinton, it would be sort of understandable.
But I — unless she is making herself a desperation shot to come back as Secretary of State or
Well, it could be leaked exactly by her for that purpose.
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Right, so she's the Democrat governor of Arizona, and she made a kind of hostage video that doesn't portend well for Biden and the Democrats.
Let's have a little listen.
Cut nine.
This week, I sent a letter to President Biden demanding the resources and manpower to open this port of entry, and we announced Operation Secure to step up state support for local law enforcement.
But Arizona can't do this alone, nor should we have to.
We're asking the federal government to reimburse us for the cost to Arizonans.
For far too long, Arizona has borne the brunt of federal inaction on our southern border, and I'm tired of it.
Now is not the time for partisan politics.
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A left-wing... governor?
She wants Biden to help her out secure the border.
Jeff, I'm curious, why is she grinning in that video?
Is she play-acting?
What's the grinning about?
She's saying, gotta support the police, secure the border, give us money, Joe.
Why's she grinning?
Because she could care less, but she realizes it's becoming a problem in her state, so she has to act like she cares.
So she's just faking it?
Absolutely.
And what about the fighter pilot jacket?
Is that supposed to make her look really hardcore?
Yeah, it's supposed to make it like she's down there, she's working, she's trying to, you know, figure out a solution.
We gotta post that.
People won't believe that she's actually grinning as she's talking about the open border and Joe having to fund some kind of closing of the border.
Unbelievable.
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George!
Columbus, Ohio!
Greetings!
Hi, Dr. Thorkin.
Nice to talk to you again.
Greetings.
What do you want to chat about?
What's your comment?
What's your question?
Well, first, I just wanted to say real quick, Donald Trump should sell all of his properties that he owns because he lives rent-free in Chris Christie's head.
And that's a very luxurious cranium.
There's a lot of room in there, right?
It's almost as big as Mar-a-Lago.
He can fit Mar-a-Lago in there because it's empty, it's spacious.
Hang on, let's have some fun here.
George, will you hold on the line?
You mentioned Krispy Kreme, and for some reason my colleague Hugh Hewitt had him on his show.
I don't know why.
And this is what the failed governor of New Jersey said about great patriots like my Trump administration colleague Kash Patel.
Cut eight.
Look, the guy who can't answer that question is Donald Trump.
Because 40 of his 44 cabinet-level people have said not only that they wouldn't work for him again, they wouldn't vote for him.
And so, who's he going to bring in?
Is this going to be the Kash Patels of the world?
The Jeffrey Clarks of the world?
The Michael Flynns of the world?
Are going to be the people who are going to populate the next Trump administration?
A bunch of deranged sycophants who will just do whatever the masters tell them to do, regardless of the law and the Constitution?
Deranged sycophants.
I'm curious, George.
Do you think Chris Christie would be using that language if he had been given the job in the administration that he was so desperate for?
Oh, Chris Christie.
A politician who truly knows about corruption.
Bridgegate?
Can I recall Bridgegate?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
But the reason why I was really calling is because... You got 30 seconds.
Sorry I cut you short.
I just wanted to play you that clip.
What's the real reason, George?
I think the Democrats are telling us something.
Donald Trump will not leave the office if he ever takes the presidency again.
Will Joe Biden hand over the presidency when Donald Trump wins again?
Ooh, that's good.
Oh my word, George, that is excellent.
They're saying President Trump will be the dictator and never leave the office.
Well, he did.
I was there at Andrews Air Force Base on January 20th, 2021.
He got on his plane and he flew to Florida.
But will Biden leave the Oval Office?
George, that's excellent.
Stay on the line.
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So, for some reason, I don't know why, maybe it's because I've got friends there, or maybe when you're behind enemy lines, you're just, you're tougher, you're harder, but I've spent a lot of time in California lately and I've met some amazing people.
I went to Various Lincoln Day and Reagan dinner events, and one of them was in San Mateo at the call of one Anna Kramer, who is running for the Congressional District just south of Nancy Pelosi's, it's Congressional District 15, and we're delighted to have her on the show.
Anna, welcome to America First!
Thank you so much for having me on your show, Dr. Gorka.
So what is it about conservatives in California?
You guys are, like, tough.
We have to be.
We're way outnumbered, so we have to really have thick skin and know how to talk to them, because they think that Republicans don't exist in San Mateo County.
So tell us about your county, who you're running against, how you have a chance to eventually beat the Democrats.
Tell us about the makeup in your electoral district and how you might have a shot, Anna.
It's true, we are a very blue county.
57% of the registered voters are Democrats and we only have 14% Republicans registered and about 27% no party preference.
But the reason I have a shot is I already made top two.
So there's only two competitors going into the November race.
but the demographics are in my favor because 26 percent of the voters in 2020 were Asians,
and 21 percent were Hispanics, and two percent were Blacks, and so that's about 48 percent of
our county is composed of minorities, and with my outreach there are so many businesses
that are minority businesses that are just embracing me.
So you're of Asian background yourself.
So tell us, I want to hear from you.
What it is these people are telling you, because I saw this in the Commonwealth in Virginia during the 2020 election for the governor.
There were people who, a lot from the Asian community, who came up to my district captain who said, I know nothing about politics, but I'm breathing.
I've got a pulse.
Can I help you?
Tell me why you are hearing things from the minorities that could make you the victor.
Well, first of all, they can identify with me.
A lot of Asians can identify with me.
I'm from Taiwan.
I do speak the language, which is a plus.
I speak Mandarin.
That is the primary language of the Chinese here.
And I have many Filipino friends.
That's another makeup of San Mateo County.
And with Hispanics, even though I don't speak Spanish, They like the fact that I'm a minority and that I represent a segment of the population that's not seen in government.
And they don't understand politics and government very well.
But when I speak to them and I tell them that I'm a businesswoman, they are very happy.
And they're happy that I'm Asian.
And we also share a lot of traditional values.
We love the family.
We like to eat.
There's so many commonalities that I can relate to them as human beings and I've really been embraced.
I've been just so welcomed by all of these groups.
And what are the issues that they're raising with you that get them finally interested in politics Anna?
Well, it's really business that, you know, during COVID, they were all shut down.
All the small businesses, which is really all of the minorities, were shut down and the large business businesses were open.
So I think they understand that government isn't really on their side because these are the mandates that happen.
They get to shut down while Costco and Target and all of those big businesses, you know, are open.
And then on top of it, I've met so many Christians that are just very upset that they had to go to Zoom, you know, and it shouldn't be a mandate.
Church should be open, especially in times of crisis.
Yeah.
We're talking to Anna Kramer, candidate for California's 15th Congressional District.
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the number for Congress we've got a minute left Anna what is your message to
those who love America but as Californians think that's it we don't
have a shot what's your message to them? We absolutely have a shot never give up
I have been out there I I have been in the streets talking to people.
People want change.
People know that things are not right.
And all of the indoctrination and censorship, people kind of sense that.
They don't really know what's going on, but they want change.
They don't like what's happening.
Everything's so expensive.
And we really need to vote for people that are not in politics.
I am not a career politician like Kevin Mullen is.
He's 10 years in the state assembly and now, you know, freshman congressman.
And he's only been a legislative aide.
He's not been in business like I have.
40 years I've been in business.
From legislative aide to state rep and then now running for the 50.
That is the definition of a swamp creature.
That alone is why everybody needs to get their purses, get their wallets, get their checkbooks out.
Support this lady AC Kramer for congress.org and follow her on social media Anna CK the number four congresswoman.
We're out of time.
Anna, will you keep us updated on how things are going?
Will do.
Thank you so much.
God bless.
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Everybody wants to talk about Katie Hobbs.
Oh, except Tim.
We'll get to Tim in a second.
Quickly, Rick and then Greg.
Rick.
Hi, Dr. Grosha.
I just want to remind everyone that the hypocritical Arizona government, Katie Hobbs, as soon as she got into office, worked feverishly to tear down the wall that our previous Republican governor, Doug Ducey, had put into place.
And now she wants to have money from Biden to secure the border.
Thank you, Rick.
Greg on this topic, Chandler, Arizona.
Yeah, not only did she tear down the wall, she welded open the doors specifically here.
But yeah, she's just gone to the Kirsten Sinema School of Politics out here in Arizona.
How to distance yourself from the National Republic or National Democrats to make believe, make the local Democrats believe you're moderate when she's actually not moderate at all.
She welded the doors open?
They're welded open.
Yeah.
You cannot shut them physically.
It's impossible.
They're welded open.
Unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
Thank you, Greg.
Every day I learn something from our listeners.
Let's squeeze in one more call.
Tim, Michigan, line five.
Hi, Dr. Gorka.
Hey.
I have a fear.
When Obama was in office, he wanted to start his own private army.
I think they may have imported his own private army and are training those people up somewhere that would have no allegiance to the United States or No, no issue with attacking the regular American people.
There's millions of military age people that have been led in this country.
We don't even know where they went.
And so I'm afraid that they've got training camps and that they're doing this kind of thing.
Yeah, there's no evidence that the millions across the border are being organized centrally by Obama in training camps, but your concept of a heightened threat is justified.
I'm going to open the next hour with... I spent 49 minutes in Congress today watching the unedited footage of what happened on October the 7th.
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It was a logistically challenging day so far.
We've got another hour of radio to go.
But we had to rearrange my schedule because of an opportunity I had been provided by the Republican Jewish Council and the Israeli Embassy.
Earlier today, I went to Congress, and in a room with about 50 other people, most of them surprisingly young, which I was glad to see.
I presume they were mostly staffers or people from the media.
I was shown 47 minutes of footage, all from October the 7th.
Footage from Israel.
From the homes of Israeli families.
From the Nova Peace Festival.
From kibbutz homes.
Before I joined the White House, I had an unusual job.
I traveled the country Teaching our military and our police and the intelligence community how to understand groups like al-Qaeda and ISIS.
Part of that job meant watching, reading everything the jihadis wrote.
From bin Laden to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the head of ISIS, to the founders of the Muslim Brotherhood, Saeed Qutb, Ayman al-Zawahiri.
And then watching all of their propaganda materials.
When the Department of Justice asked me a long time ago to be an expert on the Boston bombing trial, they provided me access to the hard drives of the surviving Tsarnaev brother, which was full.
I printed everything on the hard drive off, and it was huge, foot-high stacks of material, jihadi material.
He didn't speak Arabic, so it was all in English.
And I read it.
And my job was to watch the propaganda videos as well.
All of them.
The Jordanian fighter pilot burnt alive in a cage.
Daniel Pearl being beheaded on camera.
Not the edited, not the shortened versions you understand.
Not the pixelated, blurred versions.
The original ones.
Seeing a man slowly beheaded by an individual Not with an axe or a guillotine, but with a knife, with a hand knife.
So I thought I'd be prepared for today, for the less than an hour long footage of CCTV camera film, of dash cams from the vehicles Israelis were driving as they were slaughtered, and from from the body camera footage of the Hamas terrorists and the social media video they posted of their mass murder using the phones using the phones using the phones of their victims now I understand the theology of our Jewish brethren
How we don't desecrate the bodies of the dead.
We bury them as soon as possible.
They are sacred.
But if I were the government of Israel, with the permission of their surviving family members, and especially if there are no surviving family members, I would show the world what I saw today.
I would show Hamas using a blunt garden hoe to attempt the decapitation of a man who's still alive.
You can tell he's alive because every time this Hamas Arab Jihadi strikes him it fails to sever his head and he strikes him again and again and again.
And every time he flinches, his body reacts.
I'd like to have the world see the footage of young women inside, you know those portable plastic toilets that you have at concerts and building sites?
There's a whole row of them, there's about 30 of them, with signs on the outside in Hebrew and then English saying women.
And the Hamas animals walk down the row of these polymer plastic toilet cubicles and fire their AKs into the women's restrooms.
Is there anybody in there?
I thought, do they know if there's anybody in there?
Well, of course, the IDF found the footage.
Of the women cowering inside those restrooms.
Two young girls inside one toilet hiding on the floor until their bodies were perforated and they died.
Or the footage of senior citizens standing at a bus stop mowed down One by one.
Or the footage.
At the end of the film, it's kind of divided thematically.
At the end of the film, charred body after charred body.
Blackened human beings who've been set ablaze.
Often alive.
There was one woman on the floor who you could see they'd just set fire to her body.
Her clothing was burning.
There's one first responder whose body cam footage kind of struck me the most.
And he says as he walks into the concert arena in the middle of the desert, I have dead people.
I have dead people.
Dead people everywhere.
And he shouts, anyone alive?
He comes up to the edge of a bar, looks over the edge of this impromptu bar under a tent, and then suddenly he just sees dozens of dead young people, mostly women, you know, the waitstaff.
The thing that struck me again and again and again is you saw bodies in positions of contortion that are just not natural.
Human beings can't be in those positions.
Or the three IDF women, who are shown in the dark, hiding under a computer desk.
And the Jihadi says, kill them.
And his colleague goes under the desk with his AK and fires it.
And kills them.
unarmed women.
Beyond those instances Thank you.
Here are the last two that mean the most.
Babies.
Lots of babies.
One child.
Maybe one and a half, two years old.
Couldn't recognize its face because it had been bashed in.
in a cute little Mickey Mouse pyjama set.
The IDF Soldier Bye.
Thank you.
Killed.
Who I had to watch have his head cut off with a knife.
Very slowly.
And then the Hamas soldier picks it up with the helmet still on it.
As a trophy.
A human head.
a human head.
But the most important of all, and I think Douglas Murray has made this point adequately by himself,
but others haven't.
you When the hostages and the dead bodies in the back of the pickup trucks are taken as trophies into Gaza, into the market square, the cheering, the ululation, the screams persistently of Allah waqbar, God is greatest.
Again, the imprecation to their God as they are killing, raping, and killing children.
The Nazis tried to hide what they did.
These people, they're happy and they celebrate it.
I will never stop talking about what I saw today.
And I have one message for the Prime Minister of Israel, for the IDF and every Israeli.
Kill.
Them.
All.
Every.
One.
Of those bastards.
Every rapist.
Every grandmother killer.
Every baby murderer.
Kill.
Them.
All.
I'm Sebastian Gawker.
You're listening to America First.
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Yep.
Yup.
On a nicer note, it appears we have the Kyle Serafin in chat on Rumble.
Welcome, Mr. Serafin.
Oh wow.
Good for him.
Welcome.
Ask him if he wants to come on in the d-block Thank you.
Oh, I'll ask him.
Yeah.
Mic's on.
Close Dave up.
Yes, sir.
Professor Bratt.
Hey, how you doing, Zeb?
Did you break your computer?
Yeah, I got a talent.
My whole Gmail crap went down.
It's everything screwed up.
It's so calm.
I got crap left for my campaign.
You know, and it's like, stuff is just buried under all these different dot net.com, whatever.
It's unbelievable.
Gmail is buried under like five layers.
What should we talk about?
Well, just the basic fact that inflation, just say inflation is flat.
Prices are still up 20%.
Okay.
Go ahead.
And then the big stat is CBO has productivity and GDP growth at one and a half percent for the next 20 years.
CBO and inflation.
All right.
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But let's... There's that phrase, right?
Lies, damn lies, and statistics.
How about this one?
Lies, damn lies, and inflation statistics.
What's the truth about the Biden economy?
Let's ask the man who knows from Liberty University, the Dean of the Business School, former Congressman from the state of Virginia, Professor Dave Brat.
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So, this word, inflation, is thrown around every single day, and how should we understand it?
Because there seems to be so much jiggery-pokery and lies that it's not increasing because it didn't go up for the last 30 days.
What's the truth?
Because this is a form of implicit taxation.
Yeah.
The American people know the answer, right?
But if you haven't explained what is inflation, after listening to the mainstream media or any economist that's on TV, it's a war for just common sense.
And so the basic answer is inflation has pushed prices up 20% over the past four years.
So that's the basic fact.
Your prices, it's not imaginary.
You're feeling real pain.
Because prices, especially food, you know, bacon and meat and all that kind of stuff.
Forced your budget through the roof.
And so how do you think about this and explain this to other people, right?
So let's just say you have three years of inflation at 10% and then 5% and then 5%.
So then the news media makes it sound like, well, it's going down.
Inflation is going down, right?
10 to 5 to 5.
That's true.
But what does inflation mean?
Inflation means you have a 5% prices going up still.
Right.
So prices went up 10, and then they went up 5, and then they went up 5.
If you add those together, that's the 20% prices up.
That's the pain you're feeling.
And that's what is left behind in the conversation with the American people.
And it's simple.
But it's never explained by anyone.
And don't we usually count inflation in a 12-month cycle?
Isn't it a yearly thing usually?
Right, that's right.
So I just simplified it over three years, 10, 5, 5.
But you could do it over four years.
And over four years, prices are up.
That's the main point, 20%.
And the mainstream media doesn't get this.
And so, you know, everybody needs to write op-eds.
In your papers and your major regional papers.
You need to shoot this stuff out to list.
That's how I won.
I won an election against the guy who was going to be Speaker of the House.
I won with no money.
Because a bunch of decent people got on the Internet and spread stuff through their list.
And now the secret sauce, if you really want to get great on this stuff, is all you people listening.
You got a bunch of smart young kids in technology.
Encourage them to see if they can get that story that you wrote in the paper to go viral.
And there's your super new sauce to save the country.
Right.
Right.
Op-eds.
Put the thoughts down.
Email lists.
Great.
Shoot it to your church groups, your sports groups, your bowling leagues, whatever.
But the new secret sauce is these kids.
Put them to work.
Getting things to go viral and they have clever ways of making stuff look real fun and real cool.
That's the answer.
We're talking to the Dean of the Liberty University Business School.
Follow him at brateconomicsliberty.edu.
That's getter at Brat Economics.
In the break, Professor, you said something shocking about the Congressional Budget Office predictions.
Would you share those with our millions of listeners right now?
Yeah, well, I think everybody knows some of the basic facts, right?
The government is now $7 trillion a year, and we're deficit spending $2 trillion a year, which means the right hand is going to a bank and taking out a loan from your rich uncle, $2 trillion loan, shoving it over here in the government sector and calling that economic growth.
Right?
I think everybody understands that is not true economic growth.
Right.
So that, and this is all at CBO, the Congressional Budget Office, kind of the boring, you know, eyeshade people.
If you go out there, you'll find that our debt in 10 years will be $50 trillion.
And so right now, the debt's $34 trillion.
And then we're adding $2 trillion in additional debt every year.
That's called the deficit for 10 years in a row.
So you're over $50 trillion in debt in 10 years.
And so the American people are optimistic.
Right?
That's what's great about America.
The Judeo-Christian tradition is always hopeful.
It's looking forward toward a positive end to this story on Earth that's not always positive.
And so we want to be positive.
But the CEO is saying for the next 20 years, economic growth, GDP per capita, and productivity are all going to be only 1.5% for the next 20 years.
For the next 20 years, we're going to have, it's not a lost decade, but it's a very, very low growth decade.
Unless the American people want to really get back to old school solutions, right?
It involves pain and discipline and eating your spinach.
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Well, it's just so unimaginable.
I mean, I haven't led a life that prepares a person for politics.
As I said, I don't think I have any horrible skeletons or anything.
It's not that.
It's just that that's not how my brain works.
I've never done anything like that.
I can't imagine spending time with politicians.
I'm a total sucker for Trump.
You know, personally, I get along with Trump really well.
The closer I am physically to Trump, like, if I'm with him in the room, I always love Trump.
And I think it's impossible not to, and you know the experience.
He's just charming, OK?
And he's funny as hell.
And he's brave in his way, I think.
So I really appreciate that, and I agree fundamentally with his views.
You know, maybe fewer wars, maybe have a border.
Like, those are not crazy things, and I support them.
And I'm appalled and terrified by the use of the DOJ to rig an election, which is what's happening now.
factors make me kind of psyched to vote for Trump.
But serving in politics with anybody, I mean, that's just, that's a, it's a lot for me to think about because I just
don't think I'm really suited for that.
Next one.
It's not about fitness.
I think he's fit to be president.
It's should he be president.
I don't think he should be president.
You know, I thought he was the right president at the right time.
I agreed with a lot of his policies.
The problem is, you see, our country is in disarray.
Our world is on fire.
And you can't defeat Democrat chaos with Republican chaos.
And Donald Trump brings us chaos.
So it's not about being fit.
It's just I don't think he's the right person to be president.
How long did she serve in the Trump administration?
Four years.
I don't think it was four years.
Well, who else was the UN ambassador?
Let me check that.
I thought it was only about one year.
Give me one year?
She was in for only one year, yeah.
Who took over?
She was succeeded by Kelly Craft.
Kelly Craft?
When and what year?
She was from January 27, 2017 to December 31, 2018.
Wow.
Play me Scarborough.
Oh, no, no, no.
Five.
Give me five.
Five.
I didn't expect to ever interview you, really.
You voted to impeach your own party's president.
You were high in the leadership of the Republican Party in Congress.
Now you've been embraced by Democrats for really a courageous stand for what you believe is the rule of law and preserving the Constitution and our democracy in the face of an existential threat.
And I'm curious, what is this Moment like for you to be embraced by the people who vilified you and your family really for so long Well, I don't think about it that way And you know look I think it's weird Certainly it feels a little weird to me too.
I'm sure. It's going around.
Yeah.
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Line 1, Los Angeles, Palabo.
Hey!
Hey!
Just a little reminder to you.
Are you on a speakerphone?
Could you repeat that?
Are you on a speakerphone?
I'll push you on.
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Use me.
So listen, uh, Zelensky's in town begging for money.
Yep.
And I have so little money for him and his little Democrat money laundering operation in Ukraine.
The money is already there.
There's $16 billion.
I'm the person that called you up the other day and said, let's claw back the money.
Let's have Congress demand that we claw back the money that Biden was sending to Iran and give it to Israel and Ukraine.
That solves two problems with one stone, and it also cuts off the terrorists that initiated that That massacre, that ordered the Hamas massacre, of course that's the people in Iran, right?
There's only one problem.
I mean, I like the idea, and you're not the first caller to suggest the idea, but the fact is this isn't technically our money.
It was monies, it is monies that were frozen in international accounts.
The Biden administration is unfreezing and allowing it to go to Iran.
So it is technically the regime's, but it's a murderous regime.
So the monies were frozen.
The idea of giving it to another regime might be a little complicated, but thank you for the repeat suggestion.
Let's go to Glenn in Ohio, line two.
Dr. G, how are you doing today?
Not too good after the footage I saw on October the 7th.
I understand that.
I'm a police academy instructor and a police officer in Ohio, and I just taught that topic today from my cadet class there.
I want to let you know there actually is a website that can be accessed.
It's hamas-massacre.net.
If any of your listeners want to check it out, there are the Israelis that put that out there.
Thank you.
Hamas-massacre.net.
Yeah, hamas-massacre.net.
We'll check it out.
Thank you.
What else would you like to share with us?
I'll also concur with you about Doug Murray.
I saw his conversation with John Anderson.
I used that as well.
Talking about the Nazis and Hamas and everything.
Doug's spot on with that.
So that one's also available on YouTube.
Yeah, I posted the whole interview.
I actually wrote an article about it for AMAC.
Douglas Murray is doing the Lord's work.
Thank you, Glenn.
Let's go to John in Los Angeles.
Yeah, I just had a simple point about how they calculate inflation.
So when you have a 10% inflation the first year, that's what used to cost $100, now costs $110.
So when you have a 5% increase in the next year, it's over the $110 price.
So it actually goes up.
You don't just add the 5, you multiply by 1.05.
Right.
It all goes up.
It's like compound interest.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Are you an economist by training, John?
No, but I taught math.
But don't you know that math is racist?
I was beginning to learn that at the end of my career, yeah.
So you're retired from teaching?
Yes, I am.
And what do you think about the state of America's schools today, John?
you know i i i i don't know how many with the so i actually was uh...
you know witnessing a lot of it a few years before the rest of the country was
noticing what was going on in it used to just like shock most of the people in the room
like a with when we had a training on uh...
c r t and uh... now it's like the younger teachers are just
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Can you play me cut 3?
After the gates were breached, first of all, they sit there and they have this wall, this security wall.
And it's broken down, and again, they get through there.
At about that point, N.Y., you know, P.D.
cops would be there.
And, like, it would be all over.
Instead, they let them run across Israel for 7, 8, 10, 12, 13 hours, raping women and killing grandmothers, burning little children.
They do nothing.
They do nothing, Willie.
Can you find that whole segment and send it to me, Jeff?
That one?
Yeah, because that's just... I want to hear how he justifies that.
The fact that I hate Netanyahu that much... It's the stupid New York Times thing from like two weeks ago that they knew about it for a year.
Right, right, right.
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Do we have some of those polling figures, Eric, that we've got to share?
I didn't mention them in the interview, but Conrad mentioned them in the break.
So, we have some striking, striking polling.
I think one of them is from CNN.
There's another one Breitbart posted.
When you've got them you can just put them up on the screen because it may explain the desperation of the left and why they're talking of impending dictatorship?
Calling President Trump a fascist?
Pulling in Hillary Clinton?
Hillary Clinton to save, quote-unquote, Joe Biden's re-election campaign.
Maybe somebody should remind Joe and his campaign managers, or maybe remind Hillary that she lost to President Trump.
CNN.
Quote, headline, Trump leads Biden in Michigan and Georgia as broad majorities hold negative views of the current president.
I don't know.
I didn't grow up here, Jeff, but help me out.
Georgia going for President Trump?
That's important, right?
Yeah, especially because since last time, they lost it, supposedly.
Michigan is huge, especially being up 10 points.
He's never let him polling there, even when he won it in 2016.
And then Eric, what is the data that Breitbart Reposted?
What is that, like, youth data?
Well, Breitbart had that.
The 538 aggregate polling shows that Biden, at this point in his presidency, is the most unpopular president in modern history, even lower than Trump's approval ratings than anybody else.
So that is a big deal.
But then the youth voting, what you talked about, the CNN poll, in Georgia, Trump leads Biden among young voters, 50 to 40.
And in Michigan, Michigan, among young voters, Gen Z millennials, 49 to 38, an 11 point margin.
Okay, 39 to 40.
Okay, Eric, you're young, okay?
I don't get it.
I thought we've been told now for nigh on a decade that the Millennials, the Youngsters, the Gen Z, they're all uber woke, they hate America, they're pro-communism, they're pro-socialist.
Can we believe any of these figures?
What do you think's going on?
That poll is the biggest white pill for me in a long time.
The fact that it's coming from CNN of all places, it's not like this is Rasmussen or, you know, a more conservative-friendly pollster.
CNN is saying that Trump is beating Biden by double digits among younger voters.
Initially, when I saw initial polls saying that, I was a little skeptical, because there's no question young voters don't like Biden now, because they think he's not radical enough on Israel or whatever, but to see them now consistently in polls showing they're willing to vote for Trump over him, That's huge.
I think that means, if anything else, even with the fraud, a Trump, relatively speaking, landslide in 2024 is definitely within reach.
But do you have any theory, because you're a bit of a domestic politics expert, what could be the dynamic there?
Is it just anger at Biden over Israel?
Because that doesn't make any sense, because President Trump is the most pro-Israel president since 1948.
So do you have any theory as to why they're going to Trump?
One of two things I can think of there.
Either it's purely a protest vote because they're so mad at Biden, they're basically signaling to the Democrats, we want you guys to get more radical, more left-wing, or else we will literally vote for Trump just to get you guys out.
We'd rather have Trump in there than a moderate like Biden, quote-unquote.
But usually, if you're young and it's a protest vote, you'll vote for, you know, RFK or somebody else, or you just don't go to vote.
What's your other theory?
Right.
Other than that, the only other theory I can think of is that the economics of their situation, with taxes, property rates, everything, inflation, is becoming so much of a reality they can't deny it anymore.
Like, oh yeah, Trump, mean tweets, but man, everything is just so much more expensive now.
All right, talking about the economy.
Have we had Steve from Florida already, or is this a second caller on inflation?
Let's go to Steve, line one.
Hello.
Yeah.
Hi, Mr. Gorka.
Hey.
I'm a longtime listener, and I can't stand it when I get a math teacher quoting the wrong math.
A math teacher quoting the wrong math.
All right, well, educate us, Steve.
Okay.
Um, I don't know if you've noticed, but the dollar stores have gone to $1.25.
Yes.
Or more.
Or more.
Right.
Okay.
So, 8% inflation, as Biden said, has arrived at by dividing 100 by .92.
Yep.
That's $1.25.
as Biden said, is arrive at that by dividing 100 by 0.92.
Yep.
That's $1.25.
It's not 8% added to a dollar.
Alright, so you're multiplying it.
You understand that the value of the previous dollar is only 92% of what it was.
Thank you, Steve.
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I took English, German, and physics in school at A-level, and then I ended up doing political science for my PhD.
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When the adults are more invested than the kids.
Look at him, look, he's got his dukes out.
What is going on?
I get parents getting a little bit excited, but reps fighting each other.
The people who aren't supposed, that's representative of our elections right now,
the people who are supposed to be the most unfair.
Moderators are the ones most invested.
I can't even remember the last time I did this.
I think I was 16 the last time I did that.
Kyle in the chat, by the way, says my Lib brother is in the Trump camp purely on his economic situation.
Ooh.
So your theory might be right, Eric.
My second theory, yeah.
One of those two.
I mean, because, yeah, you're right.
Protests, votes for Biden.
The last thing they would do is vote for Trump.
Right.
They'd just stay at home.
Or vote for Cornell.
Who's that Green Party lunatic?
Jill Stein.
Jill Stein.
Or Cornell West or RFK.
I think older Democrats who don't support Trump or don't support Biden might vote for RFK, but not younger ones.
Younger voters do not like RFK.
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I'm not sure if it would make the best radio.
But, you know, I would love to do more than 11 minutes on what I witnessed today.
That's, you know, the longest segment we have here, the A Block, the monologue.
I'd like to do three hours.
I took copious notes.
We were told, because of the, you know, indifference to the families of those who were killed, We had to leave our cell phones outside.
No photographs, no recording.
So I made, you know, about five pages worth of handwritten notes of what I witnessed of the October 7th footage.
I will talk about it again.
I've already posted the video on social media.
My reaction right out of coming out of the screening.
Why do we have to do this?
Because of people like Joe Scarborough, incredibly a former congressman.
What did he say about October 7th on his show this morning?
He said the Israelis let it happen.
Cut three.
After the gates were breached, first of all they sit there and they have this wall, this security wall.
And it's broken down.
And again, they get through there.
At about that point, N.Y., you know, P.D.
cops would be there.
And, like, it would be all over.
Instead, they let them run across Israel for 7, 8, 10, 12, 13 hours, raping women and killing grandmothers, burning little children.
They do nothing.
They do nothing, Willie.
They do nothing, Cho, really.
Like that idea of soldier, female officer, at the training barracks, who saw the Hamas terrorist cell break in to the compound.
Just a training facility, just, you know, parade square.
And told her new privates and new charges to hide as she grabbed her Tavor rifle and engaged, saved most of their lives, while she was murdered, desecrated.
That's doing nothing.
You're a piece Of dog crap, Trescabro.
You are filth.
You don't deserve even the three minutes of this segment to say Israel wanted to happen what I witnessed today.
Babies burnt alive, men decapitated, women raped and then shot at a concert or taken hostage.
I don't know what's worse, the people who do the massacres or the people who make excuses for them, like you.