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	A vote for Crooked Joe is a vote to turn the United States into a hotbed of jihadists and make our cities into dumping grounds very much resembling the Gaza Strip.
	Have you been to the Gaza Strip?
	A vote for President Trump is a vote to secure the border and it's a vote to keep radical Islamic terrorists the hell out of our country.
	On day one, I will immediately restore and expand the Trump travel ban.
	Remember when they said, oh, that's so vicious, but it kept us safe.
	And it passed in the Supreme Court of the United States.
	They sued me in every different court.
	You wouldn't believe it.
	But on entry from terror-plagued countries and halt all of the refugee settlements to the United States.
	They want to come in.
	They want to bring the same people that are shooting rockets at Israel.
	They want to come into the United States.
	I don't think a lot of good things are going to happen.
	And I will implement strong ideological screening of all immigrants.
	If you hate America, if you want to abolish Israel, if you don't like our religion, which a lot of them don't, if you sympathize with jihadists, then we don't want you in our country, and you are not getting in.
	Right?
	It was the beginning of my White House career.
	Having to roll out the reasons, the justification for the travel ban from seven states that could not tell us who was coming to America from their territory and whether they were terrorists or not.
	Seems like such a long time ago today.
	Welcome, dear friends.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First.
	We have an amazing three hours for you today.
	You don't want to miss a second of the show.
	We're going to connect the dots.
	We're going to reprise something that you may have missed from last week when we had some transmitter errors, a little technical difficulty.
	It was a letter I wrote to my family.
	We'll talk about that and how to keep your family safe later this hour.
	But first, why is your family in danger?
	It's happening out in the Middle East, right?
	The war has nothing to do with us, really.
	Well, to answer that question, you need to listen to Nathalie Sandanjali, who survived the attack in Israel and was returning to New York.
	Is she happy to return to New York as a survivor of the assault on the people of Israel?
	Let's listen to her.
	Cut to.
	As if it wasn't enough to have to go through that attack in Israel to come back to New York that's been my home my entire life and to see all these protests and to see people calling for the genocide of the Jews and to see so many misinformed people in the streets thinking that Hamas is for the Palestinian people, Hamas' agenda is to free Palestine.
	It makes me sad and honestly a little scared.
	Could you imagine being that woman?
	Could you imagine being Natalie Sanandaji?
	Survived the terrorist attack on Israel and now she has to return home to New York where people openly on the streets are calling for the genocide of the Jews?
	Is this just a one-off?
	What does it matter to you if you're not Jewish?
	Well, this video appeared on my feed yesterday.
	It's from an organization I'm not familiar with.
	It's called Campus Camera.
	And it's a film of two young girls at Boston University on the campus.
	What are they doing?
	They're pulling down posters with the photographs of the children who are still In captivity.
	The Israeli toddlers, young kids, who were taken hostage by jihadis, who in many cases had slaughtered their parents and their grandparents.
	Listen to the whole video, because what she says halfway through... Well, it's shocking.
	Play cut.
	Are you defending terrorism, Bridget?
	I guess we already put it through, isn't it?
	Yes.
	It's coming back up.
	I'm afraid it's not going to work.
	I can cover it.
	You should be ashamed of yourself.
	You should be ashamed of yourself.
	These people are killing innocent civilians.
	They killed friends of ours.
	Families.
	People here are affected directly.
	And you guys are denying it.
	Taking them out.
	Spreading hate.
	Preparing anti-Semitism.
	Dude, you literally know I'm Jewish.
	Like, I've been- That's not true, that makes it much better.
	No, but I'm saying, like, you have no right to tell people that their beliefs are wrong, or that you're supporting- It's not a belief that someone getting kidnapped, that baby's getting beheaded, that 85-year-old grandmother's getting kidnapped, it's wrong.
	That's not a belief, that's not an opinion.
	And if it is, of course I don't respect it.
	Why are you filming?
	Because- What's your point?
	What?
	To show where all of the hate is coming from in this campus.
	Most Jewish students don't feel safe because a lot of other students are doing it and the worst part is that there's Jewish students like you, unfortunately, who, like, encourage them to continue doing this and they get validated by it.
	You don't know what... Look, you are reading into propaganda.
	Tell me what I don't know.
	Sure.
	Yeah!
	Tell me, tell me.
	You're supporting occupation.
	And illegal occupations have been happening for 75 years.
	Did you read the poster?
	It's about Hamas and the...
	And atrocities and all of the war crimes they're committing.
	It's not about anything else.
	You're not condemning terrorists?
	What is she pulling down off the wall?
	Let's put an image up of the children.
	These are the children who are still being held hostage by the murderous jihadis of Hamas.
	Look at them.
	Some of them are tiny.
	And just one of them is dead already.
	The autistic girl with curly hair.
	Her body and her grandmother's body has been retrieved.
	She's already been murdered.
	I saw that.
	Posters of these beautiful children are being taken down because she says Israel occupied Palestine 75 years ago.
	Excuse me?
	Israel was a nation thousands of years ago.
	If anybody occupied anybody, it was the Arabs.
	But even so, who cares?
	Who occupied who?
	Posters of children who have been taken hostage by jihadis?
	Who murdered their parents?
	Slaughtered over 1,400 people?
	And you're taking it down because what?
	It's my belief?
	Stop for a second, dear friends, and ask yourself this question.
	It's the only question that matters.
	If a human being here in America can do that, can justify that action when it comes to innocent infants, what do you think they can justify doing to you if you politically disagree with them, if you hold the wrong religious or political beliefs?
	This is getting to a point at which millions of people have become so amoral, not immoral, they are without any moral compass, that they can justify anything, even the denial of the rights to life of children.
	Forget the unborn in the womb, little children.
	If they can justify that, What can they justify doing to you?
	Think about it.
	How do you keep your family safe?
	We will discuss that later in this hour.
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	Lots of people in the Rumble chat asking for your thoughts on apparently Gates is supporting Ember.
	I haven't seen any proof of that yet, but everyone's saying it.
	They say he has not posted anything on Twitter yet, so I don't know how anyone's getting that.
	That he supports Emmer, if he hasn't said so.
	Kill him, Mike, for a sec.
	Mic's off.
	Welcome to the WS 113.
	Welcome to the WS 1113.
	As a first responder to this, what was done to these people of southern Israel?
	Well, I don't want to get people scared from what I'm saying, but I saw beheaded bodies, I saw body parts.
	There is one of my friends who was in Kfar Azzam.
	He told me that he found in one house a husband and wife and two children.
	They killed the husband first.
	They took his eyes out.
	I saw the body by myself.
	They took the eyes out.
	And they cut the breast of the woman.
	And they cut the leg of the girl.
	That's the family that I saw with my own eyes.
	Moshe, thank you for providing these details.
	It's so important that people remember what happened here.
	The atrocities and the massacre that took place in southern Israel, you're hearing from a first-hand source, not from reports or from what people say.
	This is what took place here, guys, and it just gives you a small piece of the massacre.
	Israel shouldn't have had to do what it did yesterday.
	It took a group of international journalists to a private theater and showed the footage from the body cams of what was found.
	The remains of what was found and the horror of what happened two weeks ago.
	There's Trey Yingst telling you what they did to just one family.
	What can we do about it?
	Well, until we have leadership in the White House, not much as a nation.
	What can you do about it?
	You can do a lot.
	You can support those who are survivors.
	You can support the people of Israel as they defend themselves and they try to feed their families.
	We have partnered almost immediately with the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews and they're on the ground and they're getting aid to the people suffering in Israel.
	If you want to make a difference, if you want to help the families who just want to live in peace, Please call this number 800-241-7771 and make a blessing, make a donation today of relief supplies.
	That's 800-241-7771 or just go to my website sebgorka.com and click on the Israel at War banner to make a donation of relief supplies.
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	How does this matter to you here?
	Are we in more danger as a nation?
	I'll give you details of a letter I wrote to my wife and my family last week on how they can be safer.
	Let's talk to a man who knows about the ramifications of the war in the Middle East when it comes to securing our sovereignty and our border, former Commissioner for Customs and Border Protection.
	Welcome back.
	It's been far too long.
	Mark Morgan to America First.
	Thanks for having me, Sebastian.
	It's worse, isn't it, Mark?
	The situation's worse.
	It is.
	And, Sebastian, there's a lot of important things that we should serve as a wake-up call for us with respect to the terrorist attacks committed against Israel.
	There's two fundamental ones that should serve as a wake-up.
	One is that global terrorism is alive and well.
	The second is that this was clearly a colossal intelligence failure.
	I don't mean that for attribution.
	That's just reality.
	to Israel, their commitment is unwavering to bring that same level of harm to our homeland.
	The second is that this was clearly a colossal intelligence failure.
	I don't mean that for attribution.
	That's just reality.
	And we will look at our own intelligence.
	As good as it is in this country, it is not infallible.
	And I'm telling you, we have wide-sweeping intelligence gaps in our own intelligence here in the United States, and we should be worried.
	Well, let's, you know, drill down on that thread.
	It's not just wide intelligence gaps or potential failures.
	We're not screening these people.
	I mean, you know, when you can pre-clear yourself on the DHS app while you're sitting in Mexico and everybody's being allowed in as an asylum seeker, Do we know, really, who these people are and what they've done when they're coming through?
	I mean, those are the millions who've come through, quote-unquote, legally, but then we have millions who are the gotaways, correct?
	So this could be thousands of people who are a direct threat to America, could it not?
	Sebastian, yes, and you're right on two fronts, right?
	So those that we apprehend, are we able to vet them?
	That's the first question.
	The answer is an absolute no.
	This administration is lying every single time that they say we're vetting these individuals.
	Let me give you a quick example.
	A 30-year-old single adult male of military age from Lebanon illegally enters our border and we apprehend him.
	Think about that for a moment.
	And we ask him, oh, by the way, hey, do you support?
	Are you a Hezbollah sympathizer?
	Oh, of course not.
	And then what are we going to do?
	Then we're going to reach out to Lebanon, to the government there and say, hey, by the way, is this guy OK?
	Ah, no, he's OK.
	He's not a terrorist.
	Go ahead.
	Let him in.
	It's OK.
	I mean, that's what's happening.
	Every single day.
	That's absurd, Sebastian.
	And then the last thing is what you said.
	In the past 34 months under this administration, there have been 1.6 million known gotaways.
	We know we've apprehended over 280 aliens on the terror watch list.
	We know we apprehended tens of thousands of special interest aliens that come from countries that we know facilitate, encourage, and harbor terrorism.
	I mean, so it's not a matter of if or when the threat is coming to our country.
	Sebastian, it's already here.
	Your former colleague, former vice president of the Heritage Foundation, who's a real straight shooter, not a bomb thrower, he said on our show several months ago, Jim Carrafano said, it kind of shocked me because he's such a straight shooter, he said, the next 9-11 will be significantly bigger and it's not a question of if, it's a question of when.
	Mark Morgan, it sounds like you agree with Jim.
	I do.
	I get asked this, obviously, since September 7th about that threat, and I've said it.
	But, Sebastian, you and I have talked about it before.
	I've been saying it for the past three years.
	We could have a sleeper cell already in the United States planning the next terrorist attack.
	We don't know.
	Now, look, we still—there are gaps.
	Is it going to be a large-scale, like Jim said, or is it going to be a smaller scale carried out by one or two or multiple HVEs here that have been inspired by the recent events?
	Look, you know, you study this.
	I'm not informing you, but But to go from ideology to radicalization to action, that's the continuum.
	And we've seen on display in our own country, not just ideology, but what I think we've seen is radicalization right before us, of living color across the United States.
	And real quick, here's what I mean by the intelligence gaps.
	If you ask our intelligence community right now, How many aliens on the FBI's terror screening database are among the 1.6 million known gotaways?
	Their answer is, I don't know.
	If we ask them how many special interest aliens from countries that harbor terrorism are among the 1.6 million known gotaways, they will say they don't know.
	If I ask, can you definitively tell us that there's not a sleeper cell that came in illegally a part of 1.6 million known gotaways in the United States planning a terrorist attack right now, our intelligence community will say they don't know.
	Yeah.
	He's Senior Law Enforcement Expert for our colleagues at Newsmax.
	We're going to continue the discussion with the former Commissioner for Customs and Border Protection, Mark Morgan.
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	We'll be back with Mark after these messages.
	Do not touch that dial.
	It's a good thing.
	Can you do a quick Skype for Eric Bowling Show?
	This Friday?
	Yeah.
	27.
	Uh, yes, I can.
	All right.
	Jeff, Mark's in for Friday.
	Okay.
	Great.
	Got a title in mind for that monologue?
	The monologue, um... Yeah, the student, Boston U. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Do you want me to ask Freeman, because he said that he was free on Friday, but he couldn't do Thursday?
	Yes!
	Totally, yeah.
	Put him in the A-block.
	Put the ambassador in the A-block.
	for the monologue how can a Jewish student be pro-hamas question mark
	really beggars belief It's stunning.
	It's the same as like, I guess like, for that matter, you know, like, white Americans who support BLM, like it's, you know, It's literally the meme of like, you know, chickens for KFC.
	You know, I've seen those memes going around.
	And we need to stop calling these pro-Palestine rallies.
	These are pro-terror rallies.
	Pro-Hamas, exactly.
	Yes, yes, yes, yes.
	Okay, let's have a cut here for Mark.
	Maybe the Netanyahu one?
	Just destroy Hamas?
	No, I'm going to save that for Lord Black.
	OK.
	Oh, Jean-Pierre, maybe?
	No, let's do Jenna Ellis.
	Oh.
	Let's come in with Jenna Ellis.
	Yeah, Chad also asked me about that as well.
	Yeah, good.
	I'm curious for your thoughts.
	All right.
	40 seconds, Mark.
	We have all the intelligence that we need.
	We have it all.
	Okay, good.
	Let's get started.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I believe in and I value election integrity.
	If I knew then what I know now, I would have declined to represent Donald Trump in these post-election challenges.
	I look back on this whole experience with deep remorse.
	For those failures of mine, Your Honor, I have taken responsibility already before the Colorado Bar who censured me, and I now take responsibility before this Court and apologize to the people of Georgia.
	That was Jenna Ellis pleading guilty to that fabricated garbage case against President Trump and 17 other co-defendants.
	Why did she do that?
	And more importantly, what happened to the $200,000 she raised for her defense fund when she was only fined?
	What was she fined, Jeff?
	$5,000 by the state of Georgia and she has to write some cringing apology and do community service?
	Correct.
	And I think some probation.
	Yeah, five years of probation.
	But I think that's a question we have to ask if we're going to be fair in our coverage.
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	We've spoken a lot in the last two weeks, Mark, about intelligence failures, Israeli intelligence failures, U.S.
	intelligence failures, because we spend, you know, so much more than they do intelligence, and we didn't see it either.
	You said something very interesting to me in the break.
	About identifying and neutralizing the threat and whether we have the requisite intelligence capacities.
	Would you share that with the millions of listeners right now?
	Yeah, look, one of the things, Sebastian, we talked about Israel definitely is, is I'm sure they had some level of intelligence, but they failed to connect the dots.
	That was the same failure back in 2011, 2001 for the United States.
	That's always a persistent issue for the United States.
	There's always going to be stuff that we don't know.
	But, Sebastian, here's what we do know.
	May of this year, Director Ray of the FBI as part of his congressional testimony, articulated that Hezbollah
	is continuing to be committed to a long-term strategy and commitment to do harm to the
	United States.
	Number two, just a few days before the October attacks against Israel, Biden's own DHS released
	an intelligence assessment that said, our open borders represent an opportunity for
	terrorists to exploit.
	And then this week, just a couple of days ago, CBP's Office of Intelligence from their San Diego sector said that foreign fighters, inspired by the actions that happened in Israel, could and probably will exploit our southwest open border to do harm to the United States.
	So, Sebastian, we have the dots.
	There may be a lot of stuff that we don't know, but that's what we do know.
	And what we also know is this administration is not heeding those warnings.
	They have not changed course one bit.
	Every single day, we have potential individuals on the FBI's terrorist list Coming to our border.
	Every day we have special interest aliens.
	We have no idea what their ideology is, what their allegiance is, what their intention is with respect to come to the United States.
	And every day we know that those same individuals are getting away and call the United States home now.
	We're going to continue the discussion on Eric Bolling's show.
	I'm guest hosting for him this Friday.
	Be there on Newsmax.
	We'll continue with Mark, but last question.
	We've got 60 seconds left and I have to ask it because I ask it every time.
	Can we deport all the illegals if the right person wins and President Trump, God willing, is back in office?
	How do we do that, Mark?
	Yeah, we start with one at a time, Sebastian.
	And I'm not trying to be flip, but we could do this.
	We're going to prioritize, obviously, the worst of the worst.
	We're going to get together with a whole-of-government approach, get a task force together that's going to focus on anyone here that's illegally.
	Prioritize those that are most violent and criminal, oppose the most significant national security threat, and we work our way from there.
	How do we do it?
	One by one.
	And hopefully with Mark in charge.
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	Jihadi threat in America, colon.
	We can't connect the dots.
	Alex, put the Skype up.
	We're doing a test with Ashley Lucas.
	Up.
	We're up.
	I put the mics down to rumble then, Alex.
	I'm going to be doing a lot of talking.
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	Alright, well go to your cause, but first I have to share with you a letter.
	I wrote to my wife, to my children last week, after the events of the last two weeks in the Middle East.
	It's now an article on Breitbart.
	You can read the whole thing.
	You can share it with your friends.
	It's called Gorka, a letter to my family to keep them safe.
	After the horrific events in Israel, the protests here in Israel, and the occupation of Congress last week, this is a letter I wrote to my children.
	It is my plan to protect them, based upon my more than 30 years of experience in national security and counter-terrorism.
	Please listen and share.
	Terrorists want you to be afraid.
	Don't be afraid.
	Be wise.
	Be prepared.
	Given what has happened in the last two weeks, I expect the war in Israel to escalate.
	With the jihadi murder of a teacher in France and the two Swedish tourists gunned down in Belgium since the Hamas attacks, plus our embassies being surrounded in one set ablaze in the Middle East, the spread of violence to America is sadly inevitable.
	As a result, we need to make ourselves harder targets for those who may want to hurt us simply because we are Americans.
	The nature of the threat.
	For us, living outside Washington, D.C., and with business there every day, the threat is the highest, given the symbolism of our nation's capital and the number of attractive targets for terrorists.
	Since I am licensed to carry a concealed weapon, I am armed at all times.
	As the saying goes, it's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
	For those of us who don't have a concealed carry permit, now is the time to get certified and apply.
	Once you are qualified, train, train, and train.
	A weapon is of no use.
	In fact, it is a deadly liability if you aren't comfortable with it or cannot use it proficiently and are unclear where you can deploy it legally and legitimately.
	In the meantime, until you are certified and comfortable, you should be carrying the best defensive CS or pepper spray out there.
	For those of us living and working in states and municipalities which have heavy restrictions on what you can and cannot carry, there are still many options open.
	Outside of the capital, the level of threat is thankfully lower.
	Instead of a sophisticated terrorist attack by multiple perpetrators, the most likely scenario for violence is a sole gunman or knife attack, as in France, or an anti-Israeli or anti-American protest that unexpectedly gets violent.
	As a result, in addition to mace or pepper spray, I suggest that you start carrying a backpack that you know the one I sent you after the last jihadi attack when you are out and about.
	The one with the Kevlar ballistic panel.
	Make it your standard bag for the next few weeks or months.
	Today, Kevlar panels are light years ahead of those bulky ones from years ago.
	Super light and super thin, and they will stop multiple rounds.
	Don't worry, I've tested them myself.
	The best scenario, of course, is not to be in harm's way in the first place.
	To that end, I suggest we all avoid unnecessary exposure.
	That means large crowd events that are attractive to assailants because of the number, the concentration of innocent victims.
	It also includes visits to symbolic locales, like New York.
	Whenever you do go out, remember what I told you years ago.
	At the mall, in a restaurant, always note all of the exits.
	For example, if an attacker comes in a restaurant, people will automatically rush the door, likely moving right into the kill zone.
	But every store or restaurant has a rear entrance, and the kitchen or the rear storeroom exit is your safest avenue of escape.
	So, whenever you walk into a store or sit down to eat a meal, the first thing you should always do is note and internalize alternative exits to the one that you came in through.
	If an attack does happen, and you cannot fight or escape straight away, understand the difference between concealment and cover.
	They are not the same.
	Ducking behind a chair is concealment, but will not stop a bullet.
	Hiding behind a structural column or beam that goes all the way to the roof will, for example, as they are made of steel or concrete.
	We will not live in fear.
	But for the next few weeks or months, Let's make it as hard as possible for the bastards who hate America and our civilization to hurt us.
	You are the most precious thing to me and your mother.
	I love you all.
	Dad.
	That letter I sent to my children last week and to my wife.
	I put it on my Substack.
	You can read it for free.
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	Share it.
	It's what I've told my loved ones to do.
	Have a plan.
	Don't live in fear.
	Because that's what the terrorists want.
	And where you can, carry a gun.
	But only If you are capable of using it and are willing to do so.
	The front line in a civilizational war is your front door.
	Don't be in a position where you cannot protect your loved ones.
	Be ready, be prepared, but don't be afraid.
	Okay.
	Next segment, I promise, we'll get to your calls.
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	Yeah, now Rumble's asking again about Gates and Ember and also asking about Jenna Ellis.
	Mm-hmm, what are they asking about Jenna?
	Um, let me scroll back a little bit, because the conversation moved on.
	I got something that's amazing, because I just went on her Give, Send, Go.
	Yeah?
	There's like 10 people that have donated in the last few hours.
	Not only is she still getting donations, why would anyone donate to her now?
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	First of all, thank you for everything you've done for the country and for myself.
	You've given me courage to stand up to the left-wing and the radicals out there.
	When I go to church, I always pray for an end to abortion, and recently I've been praying for the Jewish people and whatnot.
	And the priest took me aside saying, you know, your public prayers during weekly mass, because you can talk, you can pray out loud, because there's very little in attendance, he says, really makes our church look extreme.
	You know, if you don't stop that, I'm going to have to fire you from the church.
	I looked at him straight in the eye and he says, you can't fire me from the church.
	I have every right to be here and pray as I choose.
	I said, you can't determine how I pray.
	I said, I'm not afraid of you.
	I said, if you don't have the guts to throw me on, if you do, I'll fight back like you've never seen before.
	And he looked at me like, he just looked at me and from now on, I just keep praying the same way.
	You have a priest who wants to kick you out of church in Chicago because you're praying out loud to stop abortion?
	Yeah, and I also pray for the Jewish people.
	He says I'm divisive.
	And I also pray for Donald Trump and his health.
	That's incredible.
	Stay on the line.
	I want to know which church that is.
	Tell Jeff if you would, because that's absolutely shocking.
	Victor, line two, Silver Spring.
	Hey, Sebastian.
	Hey.
	I feel especially vulnerable now.
	You know I'm blind, and I can't see my surroundings.
	I've been told, don't go out alone now.
	I always have somebody with me when I go out.
	And I try to stay out of businesses that brag about being a gun-free zone.
	And that's what Massachusetts is going to turn into.
	All right, Victor, you've got to listen to what I said.
	I commend you to take somebody out with you, but you must not be afraid, because that is what the bad guys want you to do.
	Let's squeeze in one more call.
	Nancy, Philadelphia, you've got to be quick.
	What's your question?
	What's your comment, Nancy?
	Hi, Dr. G. Certain presidents had a policy of peace through strength.
	The Israeli peaceniks had a policy of peace through love.
	Yeah.
	Biden and Kamala's policy is peace through don't.
	You are a wise lady.
	Yeah.
	Peace through love doesn't work and this administration doesn't want Israel to defend themselves.
	I love you, Nancy.
	Great contribution.
	Stay on the line.
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	First, there's one condition.
	One condition for anything that could happen and the good things that could happen once this war is over.
	And that condition is that Hamas must be destroyed.
	Hamas must be destroyed.
	Very succinct to the point.
	That is, of course, the Prime Minister of Israel, Bibi Netanyahu.
	Can it be done?
	Are we on the verge of World War III?
	I don't think so!
	And hopefully my next guest, regular guest, a fan favorite, will back me up.
	He is the author of numerous works, all worth your time, including the most recent, Donald J. Trump, A President Like No Other, also presidential works on FDR, Champion of freedom and also Richard Milhouse Nixon, a life in full.
	Lord Conrad Black, welcome back to America First!
	Thank you, Sebastian.
	Thank you.
	So in your latest piece for the New York Sun, you are not only saying that we're not on the brink of Armageddon, it's quite a positive version of events.
	Walk us through what your analysis of Israel's delay in the ground war could mean, and what a long-term scenario for the region could look like.
	Sure.
	First of all, I want to express my delight that, amongst his other talents, B.B.
	Netanyahu, whom I've known for a great many years, appears to be a classical scholar, because Hamas must be destroyed, as you would know as a well-educated classicist.
	It's effectively a direct paraphrase of the elder Cato saying, Delenda Est, Carthago.
	You know, Carthage must be destroyed.
	I hadn't even thought of that.
	Carthago, Delenda Est.
	Yes, indeed.
	Indeed.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it was an outrageous policy at the time.
	Carthage at that point was not a fending Rome at all.
	But on the point you asked me about, Look, I don't want to be flippant about this.
	The horrors of October 7 and subsequently are terrible, and every civilized person in the world would agree with that.
	And no war is anything other than, as General Sherman said, hell.
	General MacArthur himself, who received every combat decoration for bravery with an enemy in foreign wars, including the Congressional Medal of Honor, said that nothing to him could be more revolting than war, and as he put it, few other men now living have known it as I have.
	Now, with all that said, war has been forced upon Israel.
	And in my opinion, it was an act of desperation, not of strength, for Hamas to conduct what amounted to a suicide mission, because it had to know that the response Israel would give would be an extremely thorough and dangerous one.
	But the puppet masters in Iran told them to do it out of desperation, and everyone seems to agree.
	That it was the only way to interrupt a rapprochement between Israel and Saudi Arabia.
	And it seems to me that the delay, and of course I have absolutely no standing to comment on the tactical or logistical matters that are involved, but every day Hamas becomes weaker.
	It's being blasted.
	It's precision bombing.
	It looks from the Newsreels that we see that it is just that the Israelis are just plastering Gaza the way the Russians occasionally, or indeed often do, the cities of Ukraine.
	Not the case.
	They are targeting individual buildings because their intelligence tells them that legitimate enemy targets are there.
	And, you know, the Hamas must by now be on very short rations.
	Very few of them would have had a proper sleep in the last two weeks because of the harassment
	from the air and elsewhere that has gone on, where the Israeli forces are completely organized,
	well-rested, properly, you know, receiving full rations, obviously.
	And the correlation of forces is—Israel has approximately 500,000 trigger pullers
	with the full 360,000 reservists, Golan.
	has a very formidable Air Force.
	It has a complete army, heavy vehicles, tanks, everything of the highest quality.
	And its opponents, Hamas and Hezbollah together, have about under 125,000 fighters.
	Now, I'm not disparaging their courage or their training.
	They're evilly intended, but they're capable warriors.
	But they don't have anything else except rockets, and they have almost no mobile launch sites.
	Hezbollah can have its 100,000 rockets, but the Israelis know where they are, and they know where the launch sites are.
	And they're not going to be firing these rockets for very long before the launch sites are absolutely blown to pieces and the stockpiles are blown up.
	And Israel has four times as large an army, much better equipped, and just as well trained, if not better.
	So the whole idea Of things getting out of hand on the ground, on the borders of Israel is rubbish.
	It won't.
	Israel will do what it needs to do, and if it has to do it on two fronts, it will.
	Iran is, in these matters, a paper tiger.
	They don't have a serious air force.
	Their army probably has some competent divisions, but they have absolutely no way of getting anywhere near Israeli forces.
	And so it seems to me that Israel is choosing the time, choosing the method, choosing the exact locations of where it strikes, and it has an absolutely overwhelming military advantage, as well as, despite the scurrilous and outrageous demonstrations that have gone on, an unquestionable moral advantage.
	And so I think this is the—it's not what anyone wanted, and certainly not anyone in Israel.
	This is a blank check for Israel to completely exterminate one of its most determined and irksome adversaries.
	I mean, they're murderously irksome.
	And I think doing that is an advantage to Israel in itself, but it also changes the
	whole equation of trying to puzzle through to some kind of lasting settlement in that
	area, because at some point the Arab militants have to understand that they are absolutely
	not going to succeed in exterminating Israel.
	And they are going to have to accept Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state.
	And at that point, Israel has repeated many times over the last 20 years, it is prepared
	to accept a Palestinian state, but not one that takes so much out of Israel that it's
	no longer a viable country.
	But at that point, I think you can, I don't agree with those who say a two-state solution
	is dead, because when the British, while the Turkish still controlled the whole area, said
	in 1917 that both the Jews and the Palestinians could have the same territory.
	It's like you or me selling our house to two different people at the same time.
	That was always going to be the solution.
	I mean no one could have foreseen it would take so long and be so difficult, but that is the solution.
	I think we're getting closer to it.
	As you detail in your latest piece in the New York Sun, that this delay, which many have seen as a bad sign and which was complicated by Biden flying into the region, has been an opportunity for Israel to master its forces.
	You know, they're now well fed, well rested.
	However, doesn't that calculus all change It is difficult, but again, I think, and I don't, again, I don't want to be, I don't want to sound flippant about this.
	This isn't Fallujah on steroids, is it not?
	This is the hardest type of warfare known to man, where it's not just building to building,
	it's going to be tunnel to tunnel as well.
	It is difficult, but again, I think, and again, I don't want to be, I don't want to sound
	flippant about this.
	I mean, as a very great general and a great statesman, Dwight D. Eisenhower said, and
	he was constantly being advised as president by the Joint Chiefs to do some warlike act
	And he said, look, you don't enter into wars like that.
	You enter into it, if you have to, prayerfully and with a full knowledge of what you might be getting into.
	So I don't want any of your listeners to think I'm being glib about this.
	I'm not.
	But in fact, I think that since contrary to Hamas's efforts to dissuade them from doing so, Seventy or seventy-five percent of the population of northern Gaza has followed Israeli advice and fled to the south.
	You thereby reduce the chances of civil casualties very appreciably.
	Secondly, this isn't a Stalingrad in the tropics because Israel isn't trying to occupy Gaza.
	It's just trying to destroy an enemy in Gaza.
	And as soon as it detects that a building has some legitimate enemy target in it, it'll blow the
	building up.
	And these buildings in Gaza, as you can see from just what's on the news these days, one
	explosion and they come right down.
	They have no structural steel in them.
	So they, I mean, it's not like bombing buildings in New York City or something, where you'd
	have to, you know, you'd have to fire, in the Rockefeller Center, you'd have to fire
	all the artillery of the Battle of Verdun to knock the building down.
	But that's not that's not what these buildings are like.
	And so it you know, I think they'll move through relatively quickly and they know more or less what they're trying for the tunnels.
	We're talking to... ...find the openings and then you either you put throwers into them or gases that put people to sleep.
	I don't mean gases that'll kill people.
	Right.
	Or sewage or you suck the air out, but you don't have to go in there all through them.
	You can flush people with it otherwise.
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	I'll read the latest pronouncement from the president.
	I saw his denunciation of Hammer.
	He sent that to me.
	Oh, good!
	And I agree with him.
	I don't think Hammer is a good candidate.
	The only one I know, I don't know any of them personally, but know from television is Byron Donalds.
	I think he's very good.
	He would be great.
	I'm a big fan of Donalds.
	Big fan.
	Alright, I'm going to read the President's... Oh, I'm going to send you this statement from the President.
	Eric, while I'm reading it, you can put it up on the screen.
	So you have a good comms channel with the boss?
	Yeah, I do.
	I obviously will want to see how these court cases go, but he's looking better every week, I think.
	Well, yeah, except for Jenna Ellis doing her crocodile tears today.
	I didn't hear anything about that.
	Play the cut for Conrad.
	This is Jenna Ellis in the court this morning.
	I believe in and I value election integrity.
	If I knew then what I know now, I would have declined to represent Donald Trump in these post-election challenges.
	I look back on this full experience with deep remorse.
	For those failures of mine, Your Honor, I have taken responsibility already before the Colorado Bar who censured me, and I now take responsibility before this Court and apologize to the people of Georgia.
	So she was fined $5,000.
	She's just throwing herself at the mercy of the prosecutors in order to get a free pass.
	I mean, that's the evil of the plea bargain system.
	It's a disgrace.
	Correct.
	That's extorted testimony.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	She got away with a $5,000 fine.
	Yeah, well, you know, which was probably blown to her by the prosecutor who, which would be a, you know, peanuts to him for the kickbacks he gets from various people at Intimidates.
	I mean, that's unfortunately how U.S.
	criminal justice works.
	Come in with the yinx cut and then I'll, I'll, I'll ask you to pot it down near the end.
	Oh, you do?
	Oh, good.
	Then just play that.
	Yeah.
	Alright.
	And then I'll read the President's...
	Yep.
	70 seconds, Conrad.
	I mean, Sebastian, do you know, because I do, that all these arch-Democrat commentators
	are saying, you know, we have a real problem here.
	Trump would hammer Biden in an election.
	They're starting to.
	Remember, only two months ago, they were saying, well, he beat him before he can do it again.
	I mean, I keep writing this, you know, every month or two, that these people are just not
	I mean, Trump gets steadily stronger and more probable as the winner of the next election every month.
	It's like a freight train.
	Keeps on chugging along.
	All I had was the phony indictments and then Trump's turning the election into a referendum on a corrupt justice system.
	Correct.
	That looks good to me.
	So far, so far it does.
	Yes, stand by.
	Mmm.
	Mm.
	As a first responder to this, what was done to these people of southern Israel?
	Well, I don't want to get people scared from what I'm saying, but I saw beheaded bodies.
	I saw body parts.
	There is one of my friends who was in Kfar Azzam.
	He told me that he found in one house a husband and wife and two children.
	They killed the husband first.
	They took his eyes out.
	I saw the body by myself.
	They took the eyes out.
	And they cut the breast of the woman.
	And they cut the leg of the girl.
	That's the family that I saw with my own eyes.
	There's an Israeli emergency worker being interviewed by Trey Ingst on the horrors of what occurred in that country at the hands of Hamas.
	What do we do about it?
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	So we have a speakers race We had a vote behind closed doors in conference.
	Somebody who is unfamiliar to the population at large, called Tom Emma, has come out as the nominee.
	He got 120 votes in conference.
	Now it will go to the floor.
	However, we have some breaking news.
	I put it at the top of my Twitter feed, my Truth Social feed, and I'm very curious to hear the reaction of our regular guest fan favorite, Lord Conrad Black, from Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States.
	I have many wonderful friends wanting to be Speaker of the House, and some are truly great warriors.
	Rhino, Tom Emma, who I do not know well, is not one of them.
	He never respected the power of a Trump endorsement or the breadth and scope of MAGA, Make America Great Again.
	He fought me, All the way and actually spent more time defending Ilhan Omar than he did me.
	He is totally out of touch with Republican voters.
	I believe he has now learned his lesson because he is saying that he's pro-Trump all the way.
	But who can ever be sure?
	Has he only changed because that's what it takes to win?
	The Republican Party cannot take that chance because that's not where the America First voters are.
	Voting for a globalist rhino like Tom Emmer would be a tragic mistake.
	A rather forceful non-endorsement from the 45th President, Conrad.
	It is indeed.
	I commend the former president on his frankness in saying that one of his reasons was that he didn't place adequate importance on an endorsement from Donald Trump.
	I mean, some would say, you know, that shows an unseemly degree of egotism.
	I think it actually shows a commendable degree of frankness.
	But look, in fairness, I don't know much about Him, except the president's office sent me the same message that you just read.
	I mean, the ex-president, likely future president.
	But the fact that I never heard of him really tells me that he isn't that distinguished a person.
	I mean, Jim Jordan and Steve Scalise were famous, accomplished people.
	So was Kevin McCarthy.
	They all were and are.
	It seems to me the only one of these people who's running that I've seen enough of to have an opinion is Byron Donalds, congressman from Florida, who I've been very impressed with whenever I've seen him.
	Now, no doubt some of the others are good, but, I mean, again, you're a historian, Sebastian, you know what happens in a That kind of an election.
	I go back to the Holy Roman Empire of all places.
	They elected the emperor.
	And if the head of one of the big jurisdictions like Bavaria or Saxony didn't have enough votes, they would go to the opposite end of the spectrum and find somebody no one had anything against.
	And elevate him, but usually you've got not a terribly competent emperor.
	The reason no one had anything against him was he hadn't done very much.
	Well, I think that may be where we're getting to.
	My idea, not that anyone has paid any attention to it, was that what should happen is McCarthy, Scalise, and Jordan should agree between themselves each will serve eight months.
	Like, you know, an Israeli grand coalition?
	Yes, yes.
	I think that way, you know, something like that I think would work better.
	But on the other hand, maybe they can come up with something better.
	I assume that that message from President Trump torpedoes the Emma candidacy, and so they're going to have to start again with, you know, candidate number four.
	Well, when you talk about the various scales, somebody who very much got in bed politically with Kevin McCarthy so she could get back on committee was Marjorie Taylor Greene, and she has posted the following.
	Today I voted against Tom Emmer on all rounds of voting.
	He voted for Democrat gay marriage, voted with Democrats to overturn President Trump's transgender military ban, voted for every penny of Ukraine funding, and at one time supported the Soros national popular vote scheme and certified the 2020 Biden election.
	What happens if he is the Speaker?
	What will happen to the loyal Trump voters in your measure?
	Hey, well, look, on that, you know, I mean, I sort of enjoy Ms.
	Green, when I see her sometimes, but I mean, she's a bit much for me, but of the criteria she enunciated, the only one I don't agree with is Ukraine.
	I would have voted for Ukraine, too.
	I disagree with my paleo-conservative-isolationist-Republican friends on that one, but on the other things, I think she's right, and so I can't really imagine this guy could win with the Trump people so hostile to him, but if he did, in your hypothesis, I think you'd have a wishy-washy house where Jeffries would really be the most important person in the house, the Democratic leader, and we'd, like in so many other respects, we'd just be sleepwalking to the election until we get all these issues resolved.
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	Outro I mean, Trump killed him.
	I guess that text from Trump...
	See what influence we have.
	That's us, that's right, that's on us.
	We're so good.
	Well look, I mean, Trump killed him.
	I mean, they're not electing anybody that Trump is that hostile to.
	Alright, Alex, you've got to come in with the breaking news intro, alright?
	Sebastian, you should now for the rest of the day claim that you and I killed his candidates.
	Right, right!
	And then who do we pick?
	We are endorsing Byron Donalds, right Conrad?
	Let's do it.
	Byron Donalds.
	Look, I love it.
	I love it.
	Super fun.
	Good stuff.
	Good stuff.
	Thank you Conrad.
	The Booker T. Washington of our time.
	Indeed.
	Why not?
	Alright.
	Thank you.
	Bye bye.
	So good.
	He really is the kingmaker.
	He really is.
	Without a doubt.
	They should just get Donald in there at this point.
	I think he's... I mean, again, if... I'm gonna pick one who I think could get the broad support, Stefanik, but I don't think she's the person for the moment.
	I mean, I know Trump likes her, but... Yeah.
	That is fun, eh?
	Oh, he's the majority whip?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, he's in leadership.
	That's why he was kind of being thrown around for a little while.
	Looks pretty good, can't even whip the votes for himself.
	Alright, you're gonna make that comment on air, Geoff.
	That's good.
	Alright, what have we not played?
	We need to play... We did BB... The other Trump cut.
	Oh, the other Trump cut.
	Which one did we play?
	We played the wrong one.
	We came in with 8.
	Oh, we haven't played Jean-Pierre or Colbert.
	Jean-Pierre... Oh, we didn't do Comer, right?
	We have not done Comer yet.
	Play, is six just b-roll?
	Six?
	No, sorry, eleven.
	Eleven?
	No, eleven has audio.
	Or, play it real quick.
	Play.
	Bunch of chants.
	That's hilarious. 90 seconds.
	90 seconds.
	Thank you.
	That is hilarious.
	I'm so sorry.
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	What did we say?
	We read out on air President Trump's denunciation of Tom Ever, the anti-MAGA choice of the Congress Conference of the GOP behind closed doors.
	And what's the breaking news?
	Eric, would you like to share the breaking news?
	Right after winning the nomination after Trump nuked him on Truth Social, Tom Emmer has dropped out of the Speaker's race.
	Wah, wah, wah.
	That is shocking.
	What does that mean?
	Jeff, help me out there.
	Because he's the majority whip, right?
	Yeah, and he's so good at it he can't even whip the votes for himself.
	The power of the Donald, right Jeff?
	Exactly.
	Stunning, stunning, stunning.
	Tom Ever was called anti-MAGA by President Trump moments ago and he has already dropped out of the speakership, which means James Comer is going to be a little bit sad.
	Why?
	Cut 10.
	Listen to the man who's not happy now.
	We've wasted three weeks.
	And, you know, this was a dumb move by those eight members of Congress.
	Many of them are on my committee.
	I like, you know, at least six of the eight.
	But at the end of the day, they had no plan.
	They had no plan.
	And, Larry, this could stretch out another two or three weeks.
	And, you know, it's limited the ability of the committees not only to meet, but my committee to do subpoenas and things like that.
	So, you know, this isn't being productive.
	We got started a month late with subpoena power.
	I didn't get subpoena power until basically February the 1st because we went through all this in January with the Speaker's race.
	So February, you got subpoena power.
	We've been arguing now in October for a new speaker for a couple of weeks.
	So remind me, Jeff, what did that guy do between January and October when he was the chairman and he was so powerful?
	He failed to subpoena Hunter Biden, which is the first thing he should have done.
	He didn't?
	But the whole thing's about Hunter Biden.
	Yeah, I know.
	We're leading up to that, I guess.
	All right, what happens now, Eric?
	What do you think's going to happen now?
	Look, let's do it.
	We did it in the break with Conrad.
	What do you think?
	I think this show should endorse Byron Donalds.
	What do you think, Eric?
	Absolutely.
	I think he is the best possible pick at this point for Speaker.
	And they'd have to vote against a black conservative.
	Now, the Democrats, they're used to doing that from, of course, Justice Clarence Thomas on down, but yeah, I think of all the possible people.
	If Jim doesn't want it, hey Jim, you got my vote for all that it counts, but Byron Donalds, that would be exciting.
	Still, they're stumbling about in the White House when they ask the question about the explosion of anti-Semitism, the kind of gas the Jews' commentary from U.S.
	campuses.
	What does the press secretary of the Biden regime say?
	This is Karine Jean-Pierre.
	Cut seven!
	I know John Kirby addressed the protests on college campuses, and I appreciate that the President respects First Amendment rights to protest, but does the President view anti-Israel protests and sentiment on college campuses as anti-Semitism?
	So look, I'm not going to get into what's happening across the country at different universities, not going to get into the specifics.
	As the Admiral said, the First Amendment right, right?
	That's what something, a peaceful protest, is really part of our democracy.
	Yeah, and then what did she go on to talk about?
	Oh, Islamophobia.
	But the question is anti-Semitism.
	Why did you flip to Islamophobia?
	How stupid are these people?
	Well, here's a video from New York.
	I'll read to you, keep the volume down a little bit guys, so I can read to you the banners of the pro-Hamas demonstrators in New York.
	This is cut 11.
	Queers for Liberated Palestine.
	This is from Andy Ngo's Twitter feed.
	That's the banner they're holding at the front of the demonstration.
	Pro Hamas.
	Gays for Gaza.
	Hey Eric, what religion is Hamas?
	I believe it's Muslim.
	And what do fundamentalist Muslims like Hamas think about homosexuals?
	I believe it involves taking them up to rooftops and then doing something very unpleasant.
	Testing if they can fly, right?
	The law of gravity, yes, except with people instead of apples.
	And so New Yorkers are saying gays for Hamas?
	I mean, it might as well be the meme of chickens for KFC, right?
	Chickens for KFC.
	I think that is right.
	That is the meme.
	How stupid are these people?
	They're this stupid.
	This is Fox interviewing some of these pro-Hamas protesters.
	Listen to what the first woman says instead of Palestine.
	It's rather amusing.
	Cut 12.
	If we call for a ceasefire, how are we going to defeat Hamas?
	That is a separate question.
	Hamas bombed their own hospital.
	That's not the truth.
	The United States is beyond complicit.
	It is enabling Israel's genocide of Gazans and Palestinians.
	Are you proud to be an American?
	No.
	So are you leaving the United States?
	No.
	I'd love the Palestine.
	What's Palestine?
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	Bush didn't.
	Like, Clinton didn't.
	None of them did.
	No.
	Yeah.
	Usually the presidents kind of stay out of these things.
	So cool.
	I love it.
	It's gotta be Donald's, man.
	I mean, who else?
	That would be so good.
	Jordan or Donald's.
	It'll never happen.
	Donald's?
	No.
	Alright, so who's it gonna be?
	Some weird person.
	Stefanik, probably, right?
	After that guy, Majority Whip, got fried.
	They're not going to let someone in there that's mega.
	Especially after this whole thing happened.
	The establishment's not going to let you throw them out and then... It's going to be revenge time, right?
	Yeah.
	Oh boy.
	What have we not played?
	there's still the other trump cut Would you believe what what's happened to the USA in the
	last three years years.
	But I will immediately reinstate all sanctions on the murderous Iranian regime.
	You have to do that.
	So we have a deal.
	If you will not enforce sanctions against Iran, then you do not stand with Israel.
	It's that simple.
	It's all about Iran.
	It's not about these others.
	It's all about Iran.
	They know everything that's going on.
	They probably laid out the game plan.
	And Joe Biden won't do it.
	I wonder how much money he's receiving from Iran, do you think?
	Gets a lot from China, that we know.
	That's from Derry, New Hampshire.
	It's a great question.
	If you're getting money from Ukraine, from China, from Romania, from Kazakhstan, if we've got Iranians and pro-Iranian activists working inside the Biden State Department as Chief of Staff for the Assistant Secretary of Special Operations of the DoD, it's a great question.
	How much money is Biden getting?
	How much is Jim getting?
	Oh, we didn't even talk about that story.
	What was that, Jeff?
	That story about Biden's brother and the gay dating app?
	That wasn't just a joke, right?
	No, that wasn't.
	He said that the picture was him, but he said that he's been hacked.
	Oh, the old, the picture was me.
	But the picture was, you know, BDSM Gay, right?
	So that means that's a real picture of him.
	I guess, yeah, I guess it is.
	Right, you said something in the break, we've got to share it with the listeners out there.
	So, Eric was impressed, as was I, that President Trump steps in, Emma Majority Whip is just fried, he's toasted, doesn't even go to a floor vote.
	Who's it going to be next?
	And we were saying, hey, Byron Donalds, or maybe Jim, if he wants to come back.
	And your response was, your cynical Jeff response was... The establishment will never let that happen.
	I like Donalds, but they're never going to do it.
	They're not going to let a MAGA guy in there after they threw their guy out, and then give you a MAGA guy.
	They're going to drag this out, and it's going to be some no-name guy.
	So you think even after that guy got fried, they'll do it again?
	Um, I think so, yeah.
	Or just put somebody in there we don't know anything about, but who deep down is anti-MAGA.
	Yes, or they could go that, what were they trying to do, the temporary speaker, remember last week?
	Yes, yes.
	They don't care, they would love to do that because then they can get the budget done and have all the spending set up for next year.
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	We'll talk to a former military intelligence officer who knows a thing or two about terrorism.
	They're different from the rest of the non-Muslims, from the rest of those human beings who live their lives as animals, bending any rule to fulfill any desire.
	In this respect, the Qur'an describes the atheists as cattle.
	As cattle, as those who go to the crop.
	That voice, it's a little bit hard to hear, is an individual who is calling those who aren't Muslim non-human and calling atheists cattle!
	Humans that are animals in his estimation because they're Jews, Christians or atheists.
	That man, shockingly or I guess maybe not shockingly, is a show host on MSNBC.
	His name is Mehdi Hassan.
	How did the ideology that sees other human beings as non-human So permeate the world that isn't just subscribed to by jihadi organizations like Hamas or Al-Qaeda or ISIS, but that quote-unquote American media personalities actually subscribe to it today.
	Let's unpack the deep story behind the events of the last two weeks in the Middle East with somebody who I think it's hard to argue he's probably the most Educated man on the topic, the most credentialed, so much so he ended up as ambassador for the coordination of counter-terrorism messaging in the U.S.
	government.
	I count him as a personal friend.
	Alberto Fernandez, welcome to America First.
	Thank you.
	It's a pleasure to be on with you.
	So let's start backwards for a second, if we will.
	What we're seeing occur in the Middle East Or even around the Western world, we saw what happened outside our embassies last week and so forth, on the streets of Belgium, in Paris with that teacher being stabbed to death.
	This isn't just a phenomena of faraway desert lands, is it?
	If we look at the ideology, we have to understand for the last, what, 100 years since the birth of the Muslim Brotherhood in, what, 1924, this is a truly international phenomena, is it not?
	Yes, political Islam and its various iterations, what we call Islamism, Jihadism, Salafi Jihadism, you know, are modern phenomenon.
	There's something that annoys me when people talk about political Islam or these crazies you see in these videos and stuff like that.
	They think it's like The ideology of 7th century Arabia, that's actually not quite true.
	This is a modern interpretation of what they think the Islam of the 7th century AD was.
	So it's a very modern thing.
	And what's happened... And it's modern because these people say, we lost what Islam was.
	Yes.
	And we need to recreate what it looked like under Mohammed with, you know, the riding across the Hijaz, the wars against the infidel.
	It's their attempt to recapture what they deemed to be the 7th century.
	Yeah, and they recreate this kind of embroidered or mythical version of the past, you know, and so that's what you need to follow.
	And of course, what's happened is this ideology, which is very much a 20th century or late 19th, 20th century ideology, has been married with Our globalized world with the technological world.
	Right.
	So let's jump straight to that because you are the vice president of an incredible organization.
	I use it all the time when I was teaching our military how to understand groups like Al-Qaeda and ISIS.
	It's the Middle East Media Research Institute memory.org m-e-m-r-i memory.org.
	How important is the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood back in the 20s and 30s didn't have Twitter, didn't have YouTube, didn't have Telegram.
	The people who believe in modern jihad have more tools in their pockets when it comes to digital media exploitation than is imaginable for those who started this ideology.
	Yes, I mean, they've been early adopters.
	There's a friend of mine in the region who calls them, he says they practice a dark creativity, which means that terrorist groups or extremist groups, they look about how can they use the latest tech.
	Uh, in their way.
	And you saw that.
	You saw that with the rise of Al-Qaeda.
	Al-Qaeda, people forget this is kind of crazy.
	We look at it now.
	Al-Qaeda in the 1990s first tried to establish a news agency in London.
	Yes!
	That's where they first kind of thought they would start.
	And in fact, Bin Laden's first declaration of war against the West in America came from that news agency in London.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Which it never really got off the ground, but they had that idea.
	Because what had happened, of course, we'd already in the 80s and 90s, we'd seen this thing where Arab regimes would repress these extremists and they would go to the West.
	And the West, they were freer and then they would start off Propagandizing, etc.
	and all that stuff.
	So that was Al-Qaeda.
	You go a few years later and you have the rise of ISIS, of the Islamic State, 2013, 2014.
	These were guys on Twitter with 10, 20, 50,000 followers.
	They would post snuff videos.
	Like Jihadi John.
	Exactly.
	All of these guys.
	And it was only in late 2014.
	I was still in the government.
	It was only in late 2014 that social media companies embarrassed by the reaction.
	And this month is the 50th anniversary of the birth of James Foley, the American journalist who was beheaded and killed by the Islamic State.
	And so they...
	You know, they learned how to use the technology against us.
	And that's why you had all these bizarre phenomenon of not just them radicalizing people, say, in Tunisia or wherever, but people in their bedroom in the United States or in... Jihadi Jane in Pennsylvania.
	All these people kind of being virtually radicalized.
	And what do they believe?
	Let's do like, you know, the 101.
	What do these groups, whether it's Sunni groups or Shia groups, what do they think about other Muslims who live in Western nations?
	What do they think about Muslim states that aren't fundamental?
	So the difference between Jordan and, let's say, and Iran or Saudi Arabia.
	Ambassador, what do they think about Christians and Jews?
	Well, that's a big question, because there are different groups and there are different iterations, right?
	There are different nuances.
	They are all, if you talk about Al-Qaeda, ISIS, if you talk about Iran, they're all Islamic supremacist groups.
	So they believe in the supremacy of Islam against others, against the other, the non-Muslim.
	But they all believe in the supremacy of their type of Islam.
	So you have this bizarre situation.
	I mean, you know, we can say, and we should say, that they look down on Christians, they look down on Jews, they look down on non-Muslims.
	That's certainly true.
	But the bizarre thing, for example, if you talk about the Salafi jihadist groups, Al Qaeda, ISIS, is that they regard the majority of Muslims as not really Muslim.
	Because they don't agree with their fundamentalist version.
	So if you're, you know, living in Jordan or you're living in another Muslim Arab state and your daughter goes to school, doesn't wear a hijab, You're as much of a problem to the Salafists than a heathen, a Christian, or a Jew.
	Or you might be even worse because you're a Muslim who should know how to live.
	Exactly.
	It's called the nullifiers of Islam.
	If you don't follow this way, for example, if you don't hate Christians and Jews, not be like Ambivalent about them.
	If you don't actively, this is Wahhabism and this is Salafi Jihadism.
	If you don't actively hate Christians and Jews, therefore your Islam has been nullified and you're not really a Muslim.
	You can't be a bystander in Jihad, right?
	You have to be active against the infidel.
	Yes, you're either with us or against us.
	Now, there are very many iterations.
	So, for example, there are Salafis in the Middle East and in the West who have extreme views, who don't believe in Jihadism.
	They're called Quietus Salafis, and they're extreme.
	But, you know, they're extreme in the way, say, An extreme Christian or Jew or whatever would say, you're a bad person, you're going to hell, whatever.
	But they're not going to kill you.
	They're not going to do anything to you.
	Like Chowdhury in the UK.
	They preach that you should die, but they don't kill anybody.
	Exactly.
	So there is a type of kind of quietus Salafism as well.
	But each of them believes in kind of a divine duty to rule the world, to conquer the world in some way, shape or form.
	Until Islam is supreme.
	That's where the supremacy is.
	Exactly.
	Now each of them, as I said, have their different versions of what that means.
	We'll dig a little bit deeper of what it means for Israel and the immediate vicinity.
	Our guest is our Ambassador Alberto Fernandez of the Middle East Media Research Institute.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	We've seen the worst of humanity on display, Howie, really.
	The worst that could be done to humans was done to these Israeli civilians.
	Women, children, people who were peaceful people slaughtered in their own homes.
	We watched as bodies were piled into the back of a pickup truck outside the Sderot police station.
	The very minutes after this took place, as the attack was unfolding, we were the first crew down here in southern Israel at an evacuation point.
	And we watched as mothers pulled their children out of the backs of their personal cars, trying to push them into waiting ambulances and get them any sort of help they could receive.
	That is, of course, Trey Yingst, war correspondent for Fox in the region, talking about families being slaughtered in their homes.
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	Ambassador, can you give us, can you put the events of the last two weeks into historic
	So, as a child of the Cold War, it's easy to get kind of inured to the terrorist threat.
	Back in the 1780s, it was PLO, it was hijackings, it was hostage takings.
	Then we get to 9-11, the shock horror of 3,000 murdered in one morning in New York, in Washington, in Pennsylvania.
	So there's a kind of constant drumbeat of Salafi jihadist violence here in America, in the Middle East, across the globe.
	But what we witnessed on Saturday two weeks ago is different, is it not, in terms of the scale and the coordination of the attack. So many incidents across Israel at the same
	time. Talk to us about how qualitatively different this incident of terror was. Well this incident,
	I mean yes you can go back you know decades, you can go back 120 years when terrorists in the
	west were actually eastern European. They weren't Muslim at all. You know anarchists and communists
	at the turn of the century, turn of the 20th century. But you have to go back for this for the
	Hamas attack. It really is born of a vision that Iran has of
	of its place in the world, its hegemony in the world, and marrying its worldview with the cause of Palestine.
	As you mentioned, you know, the cause of Palestine has had various iterations.
	If we talk about 50 years ago, the popular guys in the cause of Palestine 50 years ago were Che Guevara, were communists, were... Political revolutionaries.
	Yes, they were not Islamic, Islamist, Islamic at all.
	They had more to do with the leftists of the 1968 revolts in Western Europe, in France, and, you know, Batter-Meinhof gang, of course, went and were trained with the PLO.
	But Yasser Arafat is not bin Laden.
	No, no.
	These are political actors who are fighting for quote-unquote self-determination, not for global caliphate.
	That's right.
	They're nationalists.
	They're largely secular nationalists.
	They use the language of Islam because it's a popular thing to do, but they're, you know, they're similar to, you know, people in third world countries that fought Sometimes they were communists, sometimes they were leftists, sometimes they were okay so-so, sometimes they were mass-murdering maniacs, you know?
	So that's the kind of the national liberation hat, you could say, of the Palestinian movement.
	But Hamas is different.
	Hamas is an Islamist movement.
	It comes out of the Muslim Brotherhood.
	Ironically, its roots?
	Are actually not with Israel at all.
	It starts in in the early 60s.
	What becomes Hamas later on in Egypt ruled Gaza.
	When it was still under the Egyptians.
	We forget that, you know, Egypt ruled Gaza from 1948 to 1967.
	Like, Jordan ruled the West Bank.
	Before that, it was a British mandate.
	Yes.
	But they, you know, almost 20 years.
	And of course, neither Jordan nor Egypt went around and established a Palestinian state.
	How strange that is.
	Kind of odd.
	It would have been just the time to do it.
	And by the way, that also included East Jerusalem also.
	So they held that.
	They lost it.
	They never established a Palestinian state in doing that.
	So it begins under Egyptian-ruled Gaza.
	The Egyptians gave a little space to Islamists.
	Later on they would crush the Nasser regime and others would crush the Islamists.
	But that's where it starts.
	And so it's a kind of an Islamic A religious-based version of what Arafat was doing.
	Arafat's a secular nationalist.
	These guys, Islam is the answer and stuff like that.
	So that's where it starts.
	But over time, it hooks up with Iran's regional agenda in the Middle East, which is about its supremacy over Arab states and its supremacy over Israel.
	Let's stop there for a second because this is important.
	Iran as a Persian theocracy, as a Shiite theocracy, their domination over Arab Sunni states.
	Yes, yeah.
	You know, for Iran, the flag of Palestine is the, you know, kind of get out of jail free or the, you know, good housekeeping seal of approval for everything they do.
	People joked, I remember Syrian opposition guys joked, when Putin and Iran and Assad were bombing the hell.
	I don't know if you can say hell.
	You can.
	Yeah, they were bombing the hell out of the northern Syrian city of Aleppo.
	They claimed that this was somehow in the cause of the liberation of Palestine.
	Bombing a Syrian city is in the interest of liberating Palestine.
	Yes, there's also the famous old story which is true in the 1970s when Palestinians joined up with leftists in Lebanon to fight the Christians of Lebanon.
	The famous line they had was that the road to Palestine goes through the city of Juni which was the So again, they're kind of very flexible about where the enemy is and what they're going to do.
	So Iran uses this thing as a kind of ideological fuel for its effort to dominate the region.
	Very, very opportunistic.
	We're talking to Ambassador Alberto Fernandez, a former coordinator for counterterrorism communications in the U.S.
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	Now we could write a PhD on this, but I'm going to ask the question anyway because it should be asked.
	We have a Shia nation of Persians in Iran that is helping, arming and training a Sunni terrorist group called Hamas.
	Can you just in a couple of sentences explain the difference between these two versions of Islam and are these just strange bedfellows who eventually will want to dominate each other if we look at Sunni and Shia?
	Well, if you're talking about Sunni and Shia, there's a long history, and it goes back to the early, the first decades of Islam, and it's complicated, but I'm trying to make it as kind of neat as possible.
	For Sunni Muslims, which is the majority of Muslims, about 80% of Muslims are Sunni Muslims, many different types of Sunni Muslims, but overwhelmingly, Government or leadership is based on the best man for the job.
	For the Shia, the Shia are the party of Ali, Shi'at Ali, who believe in kind of the hereditary descendants from the family of the Prophet, that those people are endowed with special blessings, special insights.
	It's more dynastic.
	Yes, and that they're to be followed and they're to be emulated.
	And of course, in Shia Islam, there's also a tradition which exists, there's something similar to that in Sunni Islam, but the Shia, this idea of the end times and the false prophet, a false Christ that will come at the end of the world.
	A more apocalyptic vision.
	Yes, and with the Shia, you know, they believe that there's this This imam which will return at the end of time.
	The hidden imam will reappear.
	An imam who disappeared magically and will occlude, will come back.
	Yes, he was in occultation since the 9th century and he will come back.
	This is part of the end times.
	As I said, Sunnis have their own version of the end times.
	It does include the hidden imam.
	So that's a basis for it.
	That's the best summation I've heard in three minutes ever.
	And eventually, can they coexist or are they supremacist towards each other?
	Well, it depends.
	I mean, obviously, there are many occasions where Sunni and Shia get along.
	I know people that the wife is Shia, the husband is Sunni.
	People are normal in most cases.
	However, the ideology that rules Iran, the so-called Wilayat al-Faqih, the rule of the jurisprudence, believe that their type of Shia Islam and their type of political Islam should rule and should rule over Sunnis as well.
	And they encourage the conversion of Sunnis to Shia Islam.
	Now, Hamas is a special case.
	Because Hamas is, I mean, there are no Shia Palestinians.
	So, if Iran wants to play in the Palestinian pond, it has to make alliances with Sunni Muslims.
	It's just, for example, Hamas is also, I mean, excuse me, Iran is also the address of where the remnants of Al-Qaeda are to this day.
	The leadership of Al-Qaeda.
	Another Sunni terrorist organization.
	Exactly.
	Now, would they prefer that, you know, Saif al-Adl and the remnants of Al-Qaeda were Shia?
	Probably.
	But they're looking at realpolitik.
	These are tools for them to use.
	Al-Qaeda in Tehran is a tool for them to use.
	Hamas is part of this network which they have of militias and terrorist groups encircling Israel from the north.
	East and South.
	You know, you have Hezbollah in the North.
	You have militias and the Syrian government in Syria.
	And you have Iraqi militias flowing into Syria and into Lebanon.
	And then in the South you have Hamas.
	And ideally what Iran would like to see, of course, is Hamas or Palestinian Islamic Jihad in the West Bank as well.
	So Israel would be surrounded with its back to the sea.
	These are all their proxies, this way for them to influence the region through violence without the nation of Iran having to go to war.
	We're talking to our Ambassador Alberto Fernandez, Vice President of the Middle East Media Research Institute.
	Please follow them at memory.org, that's M-E-M-R-I dot O-R-G, and the Ambassador at AlbertoMiguelF5 on Twitter.
	Drake Sullivan, please.
	And what we said is we want to depressurize, de-escalate, and ultimately integrate the Middle East region.
	The war in Yemen is in.
	It's 19 months of truce.
	For now, the Iranian attacks against U.S.
	forces have stopped.
	Our presence in Iraq is stable.
	I emphasize for now because all of that can change.
	And the Middle East region is quieter today than it has been in two decades.
	That is unbelievably the Biden administration's national security adviser, Jake Sullivan, who a month ago said, yes, Middle East, it's fine.
	It's been, you know, settled and so stable for the longest time in decades.
	These are the people who are running the U.S.
	government.
	I use that clip, Mr. Ambassador, to To ask you a question that really is apolitical, because when I was in the Defense Department, you served in the U.S.
	military as well before you became ambassador.
	The biggest problem we have in many cases is knowing the enemy.
	In this case, we have administration, we have a political coterie that Doesn't believe in the influence of religion, doesn't understand the influence of ideology, doesn't like to use the word evil.
	I saw this so much under the Obama administration, but even under other Presidencies.
	There was a distinct paucity of understanding who these people are and what they believe.
	Now, Memory has done amazing work.
	We have the b-roll of a video from Memory that went absolutely viral last week.
	I think you've got five million views of an individual from Hamas taking responsibility for the attack.
	If you haven't seen it, go to memory.org, watch the video with the translation, How big a problem is it across administrations, within government, within the intelligence community, that we don't do what memory does enough of, which is to listen to what the bad guy says.
	I think it was Simon Wiesenthal who said, with regards to the Holocaust and the Nazis, when a group of people repeatedly says they want to kill you, sooner or later you should pay attention to them.
	Isn't this one of our biggest weaknesses?
	Yes, when somebody says death to America, it's not symbolic or metaphorical.
	They actually mean it.
	And of course, there's always death to America, death to Israel, death to the Jews, etc.
	So, we should respect them.
	You know, we in the West have a problem.
	We think people want to be like us.
	We think people are like us.
	And when somebody says to you, I was in Afghanistan in 06, When you hear members of the military, well-meaning, saying, well, that tribal leader, that Hazard or that Uzbek says he wants to be my friend.
	And then I'm the cynical civilian who says, you know, he might not mean that.
	He might be lying.
	We just expect good faith from the other far too often, don't we?
	Yes.
	I mean, I know in the region, some people like that about the American character.
	I've heard people say, we like Americans.
	You're very direct.
	You're very open.
	You're very welcoming.
	Trusting.
	Very trusting.
	That all sounds great, and you know, indeed those are not bad qualities, but you're being played.
	Yeah.
	And by the way, it's not just Middle Easterners.
	I think it's a way of seeing the world that exists in older cultures.
	that exists in countries where there's a civilization which has endured in societies by the way also you know this and I know this in countries that have been under dictatorial rule where you learn to say one thing and mean something else you know Hungary Cuba it's that type of thing people survive by saying what they need to say it doesn't mean they're to survive Yes, and then here comes an American diplomat and sits down with a communist bureaucrat or an Islamist and kind of gives the most positive spin to what they're saying.
	They don't really mean that.
	You know, memory was founded, our boss says this thing, and I think it's true that the origin of memory was the idea that there was a difference between what people, what leaders, what you know, talking heads were saying in Arabic and in what
	they were saying in English.
	Well, Arafat was famous for this, wasn't he?
	He'd say, peace, peace, peace, peace, peace in English, and then to his audience in the Middle East, he'd say, you
	know, let's fight these bastards.
	Yes, he was confronted by Mike Wallace using memory material on 60 Minutes,
	you know, a long, long, long, long time ago, because there's this disconnect.
	So you say, for example, in English, you say we want peace and all of this.
	And in Arabic, you'll say something like we want to drive them out or eliminate them or whatever, or kill the Jews.
	You know, sometimes translations will be like kill the Israelis, but the language actually will be kill the Jews.
	You know, so there's a kind of change in the language which is used.
	So yes, there is a kind of disconnect that we have with the rest of the world.
	Also Americans, even Americans who may be religious, there tends to be a kind of playing down the importance of faith.
	And not just religious faith.
	We're a cynical people in some ways.
	You know, we're superficial in some ways.
	The idea of being, except we're seeing it now on university campuses, the idea of being a revolutionary.
	The idea that for the sake of your religious faith or your ideological faith, you're willing to risk everything.
	Or just the idea that for some political or religious purpose, you're prepared to blow yourself up.
	It's very hard to believe in a post-modern secular society, isn't it?
	That's right.
	That's right.
	And so we're kind of a little lost when we hear this extreme discourse because our automatic kind of default mindset is to discount it.
	Well, they don't really mean that.
	They're just frustrated.
	Or to dismiss it as crazy.
	Yes.
	As illogical.
	When it's not illogical, it has its own transcendental logic.
	That's right.
	From their point of view, it's perfectly logical.
	If you think you're going to heaven, if you think you're going to guarantee the salvation of your dearest ones, your loved ones, by blowing yourself up as you kill Jews or Christians, why would that be illogical if you believe it?
	Yeah, and especially if you believe, for example, that we're the good guys and you're the bad guys.
	That is why the work of the Ambassador and his colleagues at MEMRI is so incredibly valuable.
	I can tell you that because I've used it to train the U.S.
	military, police, federal law enforcement, intelligence community.
	Just go today, educate yourself.
	You can read my book for a little praise of what I did in the government.
	It's Defeating Jihad.
	It's basically what I taught the Green Berets for almost 20 years.
	It's available at sebgorkastore.com.
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	That's Defeating Jihad.
	That's my first book that propelled me to the White House.
	And the ambassador is at m-e-m-e-r-y dot o-r-g.
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	Will you come in with the Cornell professor?
	Come in with that for the last segment.
	Look what they're doing!
	It was exhilarating!
	It was fantastic!
	And if it weren't exhilarating, by this challenge to the velocity of violence, by this shifting of the balance of power, then it would not be good!
	I found it exhilarating!
	To your point, Ambassador, that this is everywhere, it's on campuses in America.
	Last week, there was a professor from Cornell University saying, witnessing the attacks on Israelis, on women, on children, on families, was exciting and, quote, exhilarating.
	Lest you think we're talking hyperbolically, no, it is actually witnessable through your own eyes.
	Last question and we could continue for hours.
	I learned so much.
	It's so invaluable to our millions of listeners and thank you Ambassador for your continued service to America.
	Can this war end?
	Can there be stability in this part of the world without dealing with Iran?
	No.
	Iran is the main factor of instability in the region today, in the Middle East today.
	There are many others.
	And there are injustices and there are problems that are not Iran's doing.
	But the single largest uh... source of instability of extremism so-called axis of resistance which is an axis of terrorism axis of revolution is the islamic republic of iran that regime has to go doesn't mean we need to have a war we need to go and do it the best of all worlds would be the liberation of the iranian people by the iranians themselves absolutely overthrowing the mullahs and establishing a post post uh...
	Post-Müller regime.
	An ancient, ancient Persian civilization.
	Proud and a great civilization.
	Is it any accident that what we're witnessing now did not occur under President Trump's four years?
	I think that they were clear about President Trump.
	They were afraid of him.
	You may remember when this happened in late 2019, early 2020, the Iranian militias killed an American at a camp in Iraq.
	We responded by airstrikes.
	They responded by attacking the U.S.
	Embassy in Baghdad.
	And we took out Soleimani and al-Muhandis.
	Soleimani, who was the commander for Iran in terms of proxies and operations across that region.
	He was the puppet master who created this spider web of terrorists, militias, and, by the way, according to some, he was also an originator of the strategy that Hamas used on October 7th.
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