Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Police state in America
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You The words of officer Fanon and Liz Cheney are somber and
they're somber for a reason because the house republicans may elevate someone
Who indeed plotted an insurrection against the Republic?
And I think that we have to put into context this moment, because it's not as though McCarthy really was any better.
McCarthy is the one that covered for Donald Trump after January 6th, who stood up the impeachment of Joe Biden, who refused to cooperate with the J6 committee.
So McCarthy's an insurrectionist as well as Jim Jordan?
Oh my gosh, you've got to have a sense of humor.
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Your host for the next three hours here on America First on the Salem News Network across the nation.
Help me out here, Eric.
Who is that loon on MSNBC with Joy Reid?
Oh, I remember this from my college days.
So David Jolly is a thankfully former congressman Who made waves in 2014 when he won a special election for Florida's 13th congressional district.
It was seen as a bellwether for the midterms later that year because it was an even seat.
And his Democrat opponent, a woman named Alex Sink, had been the nominee for governor of Florida in 2010 when she barely lost to Rick Scott.
It was seen as kind of leaning her direction but then he ended up winning and it was seen as a big victory for Republicans and a sign of good things to come in 2014 and a lot of people had high hopes for him.
He was talking about running for governor at one point and of course now he's stuck on MSNBC.
Jeff, I've never heard of David Jolly, former congressman from the Republican Party before.
Is it true that's because I don't watch MSNBC?
He's like MSNBC's version of Adam Kinzinger's for CNN.
He's the former Republican that pretends he is one and then he just disagrees with anything that Republicans do.
Unbelievable.
What about this Brad Sherman chap?
When I saw this last night, I thought this was AI.
The AI, the fake videos are getting pretty good.
And I'd never heard of this congressman before.
I thought, no, that can't be real.
Listen to, I think he's a Republican, Brad Sherman's recommendation for the speakership of the House.
Cut to.
Would be an improvement over where we are now.
I could see President George W. Bush serving as Speaker of the House.
He could come back and, you know, and obviously I'm not a real fan of how the Iraq war went, but I would think that any reasonable Republican would be somebody that Democrats could work with if it was part of a system where you didn't have... Jeff, is that the most out of touch, Now that Romney's no longer relevant, that has to be the most out-of-touch politician in the whole nation.
George W. Bush as Speaker?
And he's not joking.
As if anybody would want that.
I mean, it's unbelievable.
How could he even get 10 votes?
But just the idea that you even say that in public, on camera!
I agree with that, but, I mean, it doesn't surprise me though.
All right, well, the first vote did not succeed for our friend Jim Jordan.
Here's my prediction.
Well, look, anything can happen after 2016.
Anything can happen.
Steve Bannon has this idea that we have President Trump for 100 days as Speaker to clean house and get stuff done.
I'm not sure.
If you can't get Jim Jordan voted in on the first ballot, I'm not sure President Trump is going to have much more success.
But I think they're just making Jim sweat.
I think it'll take two days of voting, maybe three, but I think by the end of the week we will have a Speaker of the House and his name may be Jim Jordan.
All right.
In the meantime, let's get back to international news.
We will be talking to Lord Conrad Black.
We'll be talking to our friend Mike Duran, one of the best experts on the Middle East and the role of Iran, and our good buddy from Breitbart.
It's been a while.
My former colleague, Joel Pollock, who has an amazing piece on the reality of what has to happen with Hamas.
But to give you a little clue, here's Jesse Waters, one of the few good people left at Fox.
He gets it cut for.
I don't think we can have a Palestinian state at this point.
I've had it with the Palestinians.
I've given up on the Palestinians.
If I was in Israel, I wouldn't be talking about a Palestinian state right now.
I don't think Joe Biden should be talking about a Palestinian state right now.
And I don't like how people tried to Differentiate between the Palestinians and Hamas.
To me, I see people with guns.
That's Hamas.
The people without the guns are the Palestinians.
They believe the same thing.
The Palestinians hire Hamas to run their government.
You poll them, they all love killing Jews.
It's in their charter.
They say they believe in suicide bombings.
Every time a Palestinian refugee goes to another country, it doesn't work out so well for the other country and for those Palestinians.
No one wants them.
You don't see Egypt opening up their doors.
You don't see Jordan opening up.
You don't see the Saudis.
Why don't they want the Palestinians, Dana?
I think we all know why they don't want the Palestinians, and it's not working out, having these Palestinians and Hamas right next door to the Israelis.
It may be politically incorrect, but that is of utter irrelevance when you're talking about geopolitics and strategy.
Hamas governs that part of the world.
They haven't had an election there in years.
It is run like an Islamist dictatorship.
But a dictatorship where the majority of the populace, more than two-thirds, agree that Israel should not exist.
And listen to what Jesse said in the middle there.
Perhaps the most telling of all.
I tweeted it out this morning.
If we don't want illegals, if we don't want quote-unquote... Am I seeing my... Are my eyes deceiving me?
David Petraeus.
David Petraeus being rolled out on Fox.
The man who said, just last year, Why, why are we leaving Afghanistan?
20 years was not enough.
We need to spend as long as it takes in Afghanistan.
That cretin, that man who was having an affair with the journalist who was writing his biography and giving her top secret information as he was the director of the CIA.
That disgrace.
Oh my gosh.
That tells you everything you need to know about Fox.
Where was I?
Ah, yes.
If we don't want to accept refugees, quote-unquote, into America, we're racists, we're bigots, right?
But what do you call it when Arab nations don't want to accept any, quote-unquote, refugees from Gaza or the West Bank?
They've already said it.
Egypt has closed down the Rafah gate.
Jordan says no way.
Syria, not interested.
Saudi Arabia, which probably has a, you know, dollar or two to spend on refugees, Saudi Arabia doesn't want them.
So what do you call it when Arab nations refuse to accept quote-unquote refugees from quote-unquote Palestine?
Not bigoted?
Not racist?
No, it's because they know who lives in Gaza, who lives in the West Bank.
They know that they would be importing a destabilization, a literal ticking time bomb into their communities.
So they don't want them?
Bibi, The Prime Minister has to do what has to be done in terms of destroying Hamas.
And as Jesse said, Hamas lives in the water of the people of the Gaza.
Just like we were told by a certain insurgent many years ago, the population is the water in which the insurgent fish swims.
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Thank you.
Pollock.
To answer your question, you call Egypt and Jordan the Islamic face of white
supremacy.
Ha ha!
That's right!
The brown face of Islamic supremacy.
That's so true.
I can't believe they rolled out the trays.
Peace.
Who was the host there?
I missed it.
Shannon Bream?
No, Martha McCallum, right?
I think they're just rolling out any type of national security people.
You know what I mean?
Because it's all... But him?
He has no dick control?
Top spy that gets caught in an affair?
Yeah, the great conservatives who's schtupping the woman writing his biography.
Mike's on or off?
Off.
Mic's off for Mr.
Mr.
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We've seen the worst of humanity on display, Howie, really.
The worst that could be done to humans was done to these Israeli civilians.
Women, children, people who were peaceful people slaughtered in their own homes.
We watched as bodies were piled into the back of a pickup truck outside the Sderot police station.
The very minutes after this took place, as the attack was unfolding, we were the first crew down here in southern Israel at an evacuation point.
And we watched as mothers pulled their children out of the backs of their personal cars, trying to push them into waiting ambulances and get them any sort of help they could receive.
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When your wife tells you, hey, I was listening to your old colleague on Breitbart on the
radio and he had this great guest on talking about what's happening in Israel.
And you text your buddy and he says, hey, who was it who was talking about Hamas and
And he says, it was me.
Then you know it's time to get him back on the show.
Senior editor for the conservative juggernaut that is Breitbart.com, my former colleague, Joel Pollack.
Welcome back to America First.
It's good to be with you.
The big issue, beyond the intelligence failure that clearly was the attack on Saturday before last, you've written a piece at Breitbart on the delay of the ground invasion, which now is going to be piled on by the current incumbent of the White House as he flies to the Middle East, because you can't have a ground invasion when Air Force One is landing at the airport in Israel.
Give us a summation of why we think it's taken so long for the actual ground operation to begin.
Well, one reason is humanitarian.
Israel is trying to move as many civilians out of northern Gaza as it can, or it's telling them to move, it would like them to move.
Hamas is preventing many of them from moving, but there has been some movement of civilians
south from the northern part of the Gaza Strip, which is the part that is most dangerous because
it's closer to Israeli population centers.
And that's where Israel apparently is going to invade first, and they're moving to the
south.
So it may take some time.
Israel gave them 24 hours, but then it told the international media, we understand it
will take more than 24 hours for people to move.
So they're waiting for that.
There's also the problem of Lebanon.
The Lebanon border has been active with Hezbollah firing at Israeli posts using anti-tank missiles
several times a day.
They've killed several Israeli soldiers and wounded several more.
Israel has returned fire, but only at those posts.
They don't want to widen the conflict and draw Hezbollah into a war on a second front.
But Israel has delayed the ground invasion into Gaza, some say, because it wants to make sure its forces are fully deployed along that northern border so that it doesn't have to divert forces from Gaza to the north.
And then there are other reasons.
The arrival of President Biden could be one of them, although Israel denies that.
And the waiting for some of the U.S.
aircraft carriers to arrive in the region.
Remember, we've deployed the USS Ford and the USS Eisenhower to the eastern Mediterranean as a deterrent against Iran.
It's possible that Israel is waiting for those to be fully in position.
But I do think that Israel has said from the beginning, President, or excuse me, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said to his own people, I know everyone is very eager to go, but we have to take time.
This is going to take a while to do properly.
So, Israel is settling in for what could be a war that lasts several weeks or even months.
You've mentioned the Prime Minister.
He is a combat veteran.
His brother died in combat against terrorists.
What is the measure of Bibi's resolve?
Is there a consensus that he will do what has to be done?
Destroy Hamas and salt the earth?
Or are there questions?
Are there issues with tensions inside Israel after the Supreme Court Prime Minister office battle for the last nine months?
What's your measure of his capacity to do what needs to be done?
That's a great question, and the answer is that politics seems to have disappeared entirely from Israel.
As people are telling me that I'm speaking to there, there's no more left, there's no more right.
It's simply one country fighting a war together.
There are political questions.
There are some Israelis who feel outraged by the fact that Hamas was able to infiltrate.
Now, that may not be Netanyahu's fault, and already the head of the secret service inside Israel, the Shin Bet, the spy service, and the head of military intelligence, they've all accepted responsibility.
Nobody's resigning.
They're saying we have a war to win and we can figure out what went wrong later.
But people have acknowledged there was a massive intelligence failure, and there's a lot of anger toward the Israeli government, but people are putting that aside and they're uniting behind Netanyahu.
I think People might have preferred a different prime minister, according to the opinion polls, although I don't know if the polls can really be accurate in the middle of a war.
But Netanyahu's support, which was very strong a couple weeks ago, has just collapsed.
I think people are reacting simply to the shock and the outrage at the war, and they're looking for someone to blame.
But I think many people are also acknowledging that Netanyahu has been around so long that he has longstanding relationships with all of the world leaders who are now arriving to visit Israel in solidarity or with whom Israel needs to have a relationship.
Netanyahu spoke, by the way, to Russian President Vladimir Putin in the last couple of days, and he did so because Russia is closely tied to Iran.
They're working together in the war against Ukraine, and it's possible that Russia has allowed Iran to train on the drones that Iran has supplied to the war against Ukraine, and it's possible that that's part of the way that Hamas used drones to take out some of the Israeli observation posts in the initial invasion.
So Russia is on the wrong side of this conflict, but they still have an open channel of communication to Israel, and they are a player in the Middle East, like
it or not. Although, if you don't like it, you can blame the Obama administration, which
allowed them back in. But Netanyahu's been there for so long that I think Israelis are at least grudgingly
accepting, even if they don't like him or they're angry at him right now, they're grudgingly
accepting that he's the one to interface with the world leaders.
He has formed a national unity government with one of the leading opposition parties, Benny Gantz, a former general who leads the Blue and White Party, agreed to join the government and he has five ministers now in this new emergency national unity government.
And together, the government and the opposition are very, very determined to get rid of Hamas and I don't think anything is going to stop them this time.
All right, get more details in the break.
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We have a photograph of a Janney the Sixth political prisoner, Rachel Powell, who was sentenced today by Judge Lambert, and we have with us some very special guests.
We have Cynthia Hughes who's been a champion for the January 6th political prisoners and we also have Rachel's daughters Rebecca and Savannah with us.
Thank you ladies for joining us today.
Cynthia, will you tell in short the story of Rachel?
What she quote-unquote did on January 6th and what happened today in court?
Yes, thank you for having me, Dr. Gorka.
So, Rachel Powell is from the Pittsburgh area of Pennsylvania.
Um, young mother, she has eight children, uh, four grandchildren, three are with one on the way.
Um, you know, very politically passionate, um, wonderful mother, uh, homeschooled all her children.
Her children are amazing.
They're a very strong, very loving family.
I have been connected with the family for more than two years now.
Uh, we, we helped Rachel with her lawyer and, um, Rachel went to the Capitol on January 6th.
She briefly went inside, threw the door, came right back out.
She was involved with a group of people who unfortunately broke a window, but that's it.
So she didn't assault a police officer, injure anybody, steal anything from Nancy Pelosi's office?
Nope.
She didn't do any of that.
She was involved with a group that broke a window.
Yes.
She has no criminal history, which the judge acknowledged today, acknowledged how wonderful of a mother she is, acknowledged, you know, how great her children are.
As he sentenced her to?
And then he sentenced her to 57 months.
Custodial sentence.
Not suspended.
57 months in prison.
And I'll tell you, what's to me more egregious, well there's so much that's egregious, but one of the things that really stand out to me, is she's been on home confinement she has been on house arrest for almost three years now and she has not even been allowed to walk out her front door that will not count of course in the 57 of course it won't these are political prisoners before we we turn to Rebecca and Savannah Rachel's daughters I want to say I want to commend you
For actually coming on air today.
God bless both of you for having that courage.
Will you just talk to us what the last two plus years have been like for your families?
They've been a lot.
Especially for our younger siblings because, I mean, we still have minor siblings.
So my mom's still going through the process of homeschooling them.
So I think it's been especially hard on them.
It's just difficult because she's also missed a wedding and a birth of a grandchild and my sister's pregnant so that'll be another one that will be missed too.
So just a lot of big family events happening that she hasn't been able to be a part of.
You're talking to about three and a half million people from California to D.C.
across the nation right now, more than 300 stations.
Do you have something to say to those Americans who are listening who say, this has nothing to do with me and this could never happen to me?
Well, I was just talking to other people we know and We were talking about the fact that they entered in as evidence things from our home.
So once, when the FBI raided our home, um, they confiscated things to use as evidence.
So for instance, there was just a box of broken phone screens and phone parts from my dad and I. We used to repair people's phones for them, repair our own phones.
Um, that, and then, you know, a lot of people like to do the, it's kind of a hobby.
The survivalist thing where you have, like, go-backpacks and that sort of thing.
Yeah, go-bags.
Right.
Yeah, all my brothers are into that sort of thing, and they use just dumb stuff like that as evidence against her.
Like, it's in all of the court paperwork.
Broken phone screens from when you were repairing phones, and supplies from a go-bag were evidence.
Is there any way we can support you guys?
Is there a website?
Is there something we can do for you?
My mother has a GoFundMe.
Do you have the details?
It's a GiveSendGo, actually.
Okay, so if we look for Rachel Powell on GiveSendGo, we can find it?
Yeah, she also has her website.
It should be RachelPowell.org.
Okay, RachelPowell.org, and I haven't got an image of it yet because she's just pressed it into my hands.
We have the book, Due Process Denied, by Cynthia Hughes as well.
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Absolutely horrific, that story.
I commend them.
Those young ladies who did that interview, nervous but they stood up for the truth for their mother who was sentenced today to 57 months in prison for hanging out with people who broke a window on January 6th and I just want to share this photograph with you that Cynthia provided to me
These are the sons of Rachel Powell sentenced today being met by who?
Of course the president who is on their side fighting political persecution and the police state in America.
The police state which is a perfect, perfect topic for a film.
A film that is about to be released.
play cut.
you We want the subject to be on display, doing the walk of shame, full visual impact.
Any questions?
Are we becoming a police state?
Government told American citizens they couldn't go to church on Sunday.
For the first time in my life, I say to myself, am I going to get a knock at the door?
Come to the door now!
The Patriot Act and FISA were used against Donald Trump.
These individuals have commissioned the biggest propaganda play in U.S.
history.
They don't go after the people that rigged the election.
They go after the people that want to find out what the hell happened.
We don't need to have a crime.
What we need is a person to look at.
And then we go find out what crime you did.
A lot of familiar faces, true patriots like Kyle Serafin, FBI whistleblower, but the man behind it all, my colleague, my friend, a great American patriot, Dinesh D'Souza.
Welcome to America First.
Hey, great to be with you and thanks for having me.
Do we live in a police state, Dinesh?
Let's just cut to the chase.
We do.
We're not in a full-fledged police state, because in a full-fledged police state, I couldn't make this film.
But we have been moving with surprising rapidity in the last couple of years.
And all our basic freedoms that we once could take for granted, freedoms that the founders put into the Bill of Rights because they were not supposed to be open to political negotiation, things like free speech, freedom of conscience, Right to petition the government, freedom of assembly, equal rights and equal justice under the law.
All of these basic rights are now seriously imperiled.
Tell us about the movie which will be out, I believe, in a few weeks' time.
It's PoliceStateFilm.net.
Tell us what stories you tell, what real stories you tell in Police State.
Yeah, I should mention that the film is just days away.
It comes out next week, October 23rd and 25th.
We've bought out hundreds of theaters and we're selling tickets on PoliceStateFilm.net.
There's also a virtual premiere on Friday, October 27th, so the end of next week when you can watch from home.
In the film, there are two types of people.
The first is basically police state whistleblowers, informants, people who have a very good inside knowledge of how this kind of evil sausage-making factory works.
And so we want to show the police state and how it's organized and how it operates.
The other type of person is ordinary Americans, typically just going about their life, going about their business, concerned about certain issues, active in school, challenging school boards, worried about what their kids are learning in school, pro-life activists, and yet they find themselves face-to-face against the police state They experienced what Orwell called the bootstamping on a human face.
And I wanted people to see firsthand what this looks like.
And because I don't want people to have a false sense of security that, you know, they think it won't happen to me.
I'm not Trump.
And I didn't go inside the Capitol.
I pay my taxes.
Well, it could happen to you.
It is happening to a lot of people like you.
I don't know if you chose October 23rd on purpose because it is a day after my birthday or because it is the anniversary of the 1956 Hungarian Revolution against communism, against a de facto police state, but is it true that you're also going to have a special showing with my former boss at Mar-a-Lago?
Yes, November 1st, and you're invited.
We have a red carpet premiere at Mar-a-Lago.
And that's because Trump is front and center here.
You know, he's the primary target.
He's, you know, if they had gone after Trump on one thing and they said, look, he held onto these classified
documents.
He was very stubborn.
He never gave them back.
So we're, regrettably, we're making a criminal charge against him.
We could look at it.
But when you have 90 plus charges, I mean, a clear shotgun approach.
If we can't get him in D.C., we'll get him in Florida.
If we can't get him in Florida, how about Georgia?
If it's not Georgia, it's New York.
We can't get him on the criminal case.
We'll wreck his business.
I mean, the promiscuity of these allegations and the obvious attempt to jail Trump before the 2024 election, this is classic police state thuggery.
You have written a veritable library of books from The Big Lie, The Nazi Sources of the Modern American Left, The Death of a Nation, and of course 2000 Mules, which I was honored to be a part of.
You've suffered at the hands of political prosecutors yourself.
Hand on heart, Dinesh, has it ever been this bad in America as an immigrant?
Has it ever been this bad?
Well, certainly not in my lifetime, certainly not in the time I've been in America.
Even when my case with the Obama administration came up in 2013, this was for supposedly—well, not supposedly, I did exceed the campaign finance laws.
But I saw my case as a kind of a one-off.
Like, I made a movie about Obama.
He's a vindictive narcissist.
I upset him.
I should have seen it coming.
He unleashed Eric Holder and his attack dogs on me.
But what I didn't see is that my case was a sort of an early precursor to what would happen later to Carter Page, Papadopoulos, Michael Flynn, of course now Trump.
I think it's fair to say that Dinesh D'Souza May have been the canary in the coal mine.
That's the significance.
He is the host of the Dinesh D'Souza podcast.
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Who's President Trump talking about?
Who are the enemies of Western civilization?
Well, how about this?
A professor from Cornell University called Russell Rickford, who was excited about the attack on Israel.
Cut 5.
It was exhilarating.
It was exhilarating.
It was fantastic.
It's been more exhilarating than when it was challenged in the laboratory of violence
by this shifting of the balance of power than you would not be able to do it.
I found it exhilarating.
Cornell professor Russell Rickford found the attack, the slaughter of Jewish innocents
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Look, I'm the only guy that ever got indicted.
I got indicted more than Alphonse Capone.
Did anyone ever hear of Al...?
Al Capone, if you looked him... If you looked at him the wrong way... He was seriously tough, right?
Scarface.
You know, they call him Scarface.
Had a little scar in there.
I'm sure it was a minor accident.
But he was Scarface.
But Al Capone, if you looked at him in the wrong way, if he didn't like you, you looked at him a little bit askance, he blew your brains out.
He was only indicted one time.
I've been invited... I've been indicted...
Four times.
It's quite remarkable that was the President in Iowa, cracking jokes about being indicted more times than Alphonse Scarface Capone.
Let's discuss that and so much more as we wait for the second round of voting for the Speakership in the House with one of our regular guests, one of your favorites, he is the author of Donald J. Trump, a President Like No Other, co-host of the podcast Scholars and Sense with Victor Davis Hanson and Bill Bennett, Lord Conrad Black.
Greetings.
Greetings to you, Sebastian.
You've been through the mill when it comes to overzealous, corrupt prosecutions here in America.
Is it essential, like the President, to maintain a sense of humor?
Because I find it quite stunning that he's facing 730 years in prison and at every event he's still cracking jokes about it.
Yeah, look, I think it's a great testament to his You know, his resolute character, and as well as his comedic talent.
I mean, you know, he could make it as a stand-up comedian if he didn't have other skills, you know?
But, look, I think it is certainly necessary to maintain some sense of humor about it as best you can.
But it's not a funny thing, you know, when you haven't It's broken a law, and you're accused of things you would never in a thousand years dream of doing.
It's quite sobering.
Now, in his case, he is so prominent and supported by so many millions of people, it would buoy his morale, but that doesn't take anything away from his resilience as a character.
It takes great presence of mind to turn a thing like that into a A comic joust with an audience as he does and he's very good at it and it is very amusing comparing himself to Al Capone.
Is both funny and politically smart.
It's so absurd.
Let's talk about the latest development with regards to his travails.
Not only does he have a gag order already in place from one of his court cases, Hunter Biden's former legal colleague, Has the judge Chotkan has also imposed another gag order on President Trump stating he cannot make comments about Jack Smith or the DOJ despite the fact that he's in the midst of a presidential campaign bid.
Yeah, again, I defer to others who are more knowledgeable on this aspect of American law than I am, but, I mean, I saw, for example, Sol Weisenberg and David Shone, who defended, successfully defended President Trump, I think, in the second impeachment case on television last night with Laurie Ingram, and they both made the point that this is absolutely outrageous and completely illegal, and they expressed confidence That this would be overruled when it got to the Court of Appeal.
I mean, apparently it is the case that accused people are supposed to be cautious about what they say about witnesses.
But there's apparently well-established jurisprudence, ample precedent in the U.S.
that accused people can say anything they want about the prosecutors.
And of course they can comment on the judge if they want to.
But to say that a person can't, any American citizen or any citizen of anywhere, being taken through the court system in the U.S., can't do that is outrageous.
But to say it of a former president, a likely future presidential candidate, quite possibly, even on the current polls, slightly probably, the next president, And in any case, one of the most famous people in the world cannot comment on prosecutors, especially in these absurd cases.
It's just...
A couple of years ago, you wouldn't have believed this was possible if the fact situation was put up.
And if we remember the very strange press conference that Jack Smith himself gave, the special prosecutor, that press conference was riven through with political statements.
So it seems as if the DOJ can make political statements about a case that's sub judice, but the person on trial cannot.
Look, it's trying to poison the wells with the jury pool, the pool of people from whom the jury will be selected.
And I believe, for what my opinion's worth, it's a violation of the Sixth Amendment, which promises an impartial jury.
I mean, the prosecutor was just trying to prejudice the jury in advance.
before the jury is chosen. But in a case like this the prosecutor is seen by
very likely everyone ultimately impenaled as a juror in that case.
You made a comment before we came on air concerning the speakership race, how a
replacement for Merrick Garland could be the current chairman of the Judiciary
Committee. Give us your measure of Jim Jordan as Speaker of the House.
I think they'll make him sweat for a couple of days, but I think he could make a very effective Speaker.
I think he would be a very strong speaker.
Now, I must say, I opposed the removal of Speaker McCarthy.
I thought he was doing the best he could in a difficult situation, and I thought that was a personal grudge match by Congressman Gates and some of the others.
But I have always been impressed with Jim Jordan, every time I've seen him.
And, in my opinion, he'd be a wonderful Attorney General in the event of a second Trump administration.
But in the meantime, I think he'd be a very effective speaker.
Now, I know that he offends the moderates in that party, the so-called moderates, but the fact is, all indications, polls and other things, show that the majority of Republicans now, both in the Congress and in the public and in the states, are essentially Trump supporters.
They're in the Trump party rather than the Bush-Romney-McCain party.
And Jim Jordan is the wave of the future for the Republicans and for the country.
There's no question about his intelligence, efficiency, and articulation.
He speaks well, has a very good legal mind, and I think he'd be an outstanding speaker.
Somebody who's not a fan, an erstwhile Republican congressman, who seems to crop up down again in our discussions, is Joe Scarborough, who had this to say this morning about the chairman of the Judiciary Committee.
Cut 10, play cut.
Oh, I most certainly assure you, it can get far worse.
You don't think it can get worse in Washington D.C.
with Kevin McCarthy as Speaker of the House?
Mike Barnicle?
We may be about five hours away from the Republican Party selecting a guy that conspired to overthrow the American government.
Jim Jordan.
I didn't know Jim Jordan conspired to overthrow the government.
Did you follow that event, Lord Black?
I must have missed that one.
I must have just been asleep when that happened or something.
I mean, you know, this is illustrative of just why 85% of Americans don't trust the media.
Yeah.
I mean, what on earth does he think he's saying?
I mean, you know, that is no one No substantial person has ever been accused of that.
I mean, I know a few lunatics have been accused of it, but no officeholder has ever been accused of that.
Not even Aaron Burr, for example, when he was persecuted by Thomas Jefferson.
But just to routinely say, as if you were saying Jim Jordan, who rarely wears a jacket
on television, you're saying Jim Jordan, who, as everybody knows, conspired to overthrow
the government of the United States.
I mean, if people are going to speak like that, the media will not be believed by anyone.
And the overwhelming preponderance of people who don't believe a word of it will be right
not to believe a word of it.
Who could believe anything uttered by a person like that?
I've been on his program once, and I will say he was perfectly courteous to me, but I can't think of anything good to say about him except that I like...
I liked his late father-in-law, Zbigniew Brzezinski.
I knew him well.
Well, I think we have to be grateful to President Trump for popularizing the phrase, the fake news, and Joe Scarborough embodies it perfectly.
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Well, I'm glad the President's going there.
I wish him a successful visit.
It complicates matters for Israel though, given the ground offensive will have to be put on ice.
Well, I hope Biden doesn't.
talk himself into this position where on the one hand Israel has an absolute blank check
to defend itself, but on the other hand it can't harm a single civilian or occupy a square
inch of Gaza.
I mean, you know, you can't suck and blow at the same time.
Well, or wagging his finger in his first speech at Bibi saying Israel must abide by the Geneva Conventions.
I mean, you know, when did Hamas... As if the Geneva Conventions... As if Israel didn't.
It always does.
And as if its opponents did, you know?
They never do.
Yep.
Yep.
Let's use the audio here, Alex, of the Fellowship CEO, and then run that over the B-roll, Eric.
I'll tee it up.
I'll tee it up.
And then we have something to record, right?
Yeah, we do.
Okay.
For C... I don't think so.
Because I need to do Mehdi Hassan.
That'll take some time.
But we've done Capone.
Actually, no.
We didn't play six, did we, right?
No.
We'll do that in E.
Oh, wait.
Six is what?
The president.
We have not done that one, no.
OK.
All right.
Sebastian, did you know that on the day after Pearl Harbor, President Roosevelt drove to the Capitol
to deliver his Day of Infamy war message in Al Capone's car?
No.
They wanted an armored car for the president.
The only one they had belonged to Al Capone, so they borrowed it.
Oh my God.
So hang on.
The government had possession of Capone's armored car?
Yeah, yeah.
But he still owned it, but they actually had it.
That's hilarious.
Is that in your book?
Yeah, and he had his assistant write Capone a letter.
I mean, he wasn't going to write it himself, but he thought it was the right thing to do.
What a story.
That's fabulous.
That's fabulous.
Standby, 40 seconds.
I think Gerardo found the letter.
So you said you'll come in and do the read?
Yeah, I'll tee it up.
fellowship. Yep. Yep.
Oh that's good.
I'm going to go get some sleep.
The blood-soaked kibbutz, the women being dragged out of vehicles, the hostages, the burned bodies.
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The most relevant of all is President Donald Trump, a president like no other.
Your latest piece, Conrad, in the New York Sun, talks, opens with regards to the war in the Middle East, the new conflict, with an illumination of the distressing and contemptible noises of relativism.
How is it that within a couple of days of the horrific pictures we're seeing moral relativism rear its head already and also very thinly veiled anti-semitism across the globe just veiled in anti-israeli sentiment?
It's It's distressing, and it's particularly distressing, in my opinion, because the Arab powers, unlike the quarrels that Israel had with the Arab powers between the founding of the State of Israel and the Sadat era, when relations warmed, the Arab powers are not supporting Hamas.
I mean, some of them being fairly judicious about what they say, and regretting the victims and so forth, and making cautionary noises, but they are not making seriously anti-Israeli comments.
And yet, on the campuses of America and some other Western countries, and in the media
of the West, there are these noises and positions that you just referred to.
And some of it, I suppose, is the anti-Semitism of the overseas Muslims, I mean, the Muslims
in the West.
And some of it, I suppose, is the traditional imperishable anti-Semitism based on these
fantastic myths about the commercial customs and ancient origins of the Jewish people and
I mean, that is, you know, that's sort of protocols of Zion stuff.
It's nonsense, but it's out there.
But the short answer is, I don't know.
I mean, as far as I can see, there is more.
Demonstrative hostility to Israel at Columbia University than at the main university in Cairo.
I mean, I just don't understand it.
We played a clip from a Cornell professor, a shocking video, at a demonstration where he's on the microphone, on the stage.
This is Russell Rickford of Cornell University, not Arab, he's African-American, who called the attacks on Israel, quote, exciting and exhilarating, Conrad.
I don't understand it.
I suppose, and this would take some analysis to be confident of it, but I suppose Israel has become symbolic to a lot of people of Western abuse of more vulnerable countries and more vulnerable peoples.
And you have underdog sentiment on behalf of Muslims and Arabs That withstands even this incontrovertible evidence of beastly, barbarous behavior by Hamas, and the Jews become the apogee of Western presumption and abusiveness in the minds of these uneducated or bigoted people, or both.
Uneducated bigots are, I suppose, worse than educated bigots.
But I think, in a way, Israel is just momentarily A focal point for everyone who is antagonistic to the West, Western values, Judeo-Christian values, all of that, it suddenly pops up like a pikestap as the most prominent lightning rod to attract hostility, which is fundamentally hostility to Western civilization, including, you know, unfortunately, a substantial number of people who live in and benefit from Western civilization.
We have a minute left.
Given your sense of 20th century and 21st century history and strategy, what is your expectation?
Will Bibi do what needs to be done?
Will this be a matter of weeks or months or even longer?
I think not longer than months.
I think he will do what needs to be done.
I do not profess to be competent to know exactly what the Israeli strategy will be in Gaza.
As everyone has said, it's a complicated thing.
They're crammed in like sardines there, and house-to-house war in an urban area is a specialized kind of war.
But I have great confidence in the IDF, and I believe Israel has been so severely provoked that it has, amongst all thinking people and all unbiased thinking people everywhere in the world, a mandate to do the necessary to assure themselves, as much as can be done, that this does not happen to them again.
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Wow, that's, oh my gosh, that's so easy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, keep us posted.
We'd love to get you back in studio whenever you come.
I'll tell you when I'm coming.
Good stuff.
Okay, well, we'll speak next week.
All the best.
Bye-bye.
Yeah, bye.
Maybe a better night.
Tied off with that one.
Um...
Give me an idea.
Well, we've talked enough about Israel, so maybe something more about the speaker race?
Yeah.
A Trumpian speaker or you said that in the break, didn't you?
Thank you.
See, he didn't mean to be the most like Trump.
Oh, was that in the break?
I think that was.
Oh, that was in the break.
I think that was, yeah.
Post the first segment alone.
Oh, okay.
Jim Jordan, colon, the best possible speaker.
Alright.
Best possible speaker.
Come in with cut six, and then I'll do my pillow.
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Oh look, it's our favorite fake conservative.
What a disappointment.
Apparently John James voted against Jordan, which I don't understand.
Who's that?
That guy from Michigan, the black guy who was like the Senate nominee twice in a row, then he ran for the House and finally won.
He voted against him?
Yeah, he voted for Scalise, I think.
I don't understand some of these people.
We should probably think about getting that rabbi on.
Not the rabbi, the director of the hospital that was so grateful.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
The one who DM'd you?
Yeah, because he's a former head of medicine for the Israeli Navy.
Barclay?
No, that's the rabbi.
Oh, sorry.
That's the rabbi.
70 seconds.
.
. . .
Who's Jimmy Filer, Jeff?
Fox News.
Is he the comedian guy or no?
Could be.
Easy like a personality?
I've never heard that name.
Host Fox Across America.
Let's see here.
Is that a Fox Nation thing?
Could be.
Let's see which one I'm thinking of.
seconds.
Thank you.
Thank you.
They want to take away my voice.
A judge gave a gag order today.
Did you hear that on speech?
Which I believe is totally unconstitutional what she did.
A judge gave a gag order.
The judge doesn't like me too much.
Her whole life is not liking me.
But she gave a gag order.
You know what a gag order is?
You can't speak badly about your opponent.
But this is weaponry all being done because Joe Biden is losing the election and losing very, very badly to all of us in the polls.
He's losing badly.
But what they don't understand is that I am willing to go to jail if that's what it takes for our country to win and become a democracy again.
When has a politician said that?
Guys, when has a politician of any party said, I'm prepared to go to prison to save our democracy?
And I know it's the Republic, okay guys, don't rumble, calm down.
When has a politician done that?
I'm pretty sure the last time any American politician or politicians were willing to go that far, it was a group of gentlemen known as the Founding Fathers.
Jeff, can you think of any Republican who said, I will go to prison to save America?
No, I'm trying to not even anything close.
Right?
It's stunning.
I mean, that's the difference.
That's who Donald Trump is.
All right, let's talk about a lunatic who wants to put all of us in prison, if we're especially Christians or Jews, or maybe do something worse than that to us.
Let's have a little, um, illumination on who MSNBC's Mehdi Hassan is and why he's blaming people like me for the murder of a six-year-old Muslim child.
Yeah, no, actually that's what he did on television.
Cut three.
Stabbed him 26 times.
A six-year-old boy.
What kind of hate makes someone do that?
It's not hate you're born with, Joy.
It's hate you're taught.
And I do not believe it was a coincidence that NBC News is reporting tonight that this alleged killer was an avid listener of conservative talk radio.
We have heard some vicious and vile anti-Palestinian rhetoric.
Right.
It's true that that happened, but Jeff, have you seen the photograph of the man who did it?
Yeah, I heard Chris talking about it.
I actually went and looked him up because of that.
Will you get the photograph and send it to Eric?
Because people need to understand who killed that six-year-old boy, which is a tragedy.
He's going to go to heaven because he's innocent.
We pray for him, his soul, and for his family's soul.
But to blame conservative talk radio?
For that, maybe we should blame the murder of Jews and Christians, like 9-11, like the Pulse nightclub, the Boston bombing, and the carnage, Saturday before last, on people like Mehdi Hassan, who is a Muslim, and in this video, which he has tried so very, very hard to scrub from the internet, dressed in traditional Muslim garb, Well, listen to what Mehdi Hassan thinks about people who aren't Muslims.
Cut 11.
They're different from the rest of the non-Muslims, from the rest of those human beings who live their lives as animals, bending any rule to fulfill any desire.
In this respect, the Qur'an describes the atheists as cattle.
As cattle, as those who go into crops.
The non-Muslims are animals, according to Mehdi Hassan.
You can kill animals, right?
And he says the atheist is like cattle.
You know, like where you get your hamburger from.
Your ribeye.
So Mehdi Hassan thinks if you're not a Muslim, you're just an animal.
And animals can be killed, right?
So who's actually promoting the dehumanization of your fellow man based upon religion?
I can't think of any conservative who said you need to kill Muslims on radio.
I don't think any host has said it's time to kill six-year-old boys.
But I have heard an MSNBC host Say that non-Muslims are animal, are cattle.
That's the truth of who he is.
Wouldn't it be fun, we should invite him to a debate.
What do you think?
Should we invite Mehdi Hassan on a debate, Jeff?
Yeah, he'll never show up, you're right.
But he's written, don't you know, he's written a book on how to win debates?
No, he did?
No, he did!
You didn't know that?
How to Win Debates by Mehdi Hassan.
No, no, I'm not joking.
But if he wrote a book about it, then he shouldn't be afraid, should he?
Oh, he should really want to do it, then.
It should be easy for him.
Will you reach out to him, Geoff?
Reach out to his people.
Okay.
Let's reach out to his people.
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Alright, we found the photograph.
This individual who stabbed a six-year-old boy.
Yeah, he looks like your average normal conservative radio listener, right?
Not a mental patient.
But for Mehdi Hassan, who thinks if you're a Christian, if you're a Jew, if you're an atheist, you're cattle.
Yeah, he'll make politics out of it.
I wonder why Mehdi Hassan has tried.
So hard to get that video deleted from the internet.
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It's the transgender lunatics as well.
We have to stop them, those who are mutilating young children and also destroying the sports careers of young women.
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In the background, we've got American cities burning And the lies of BLM and Antifa, okay?
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And how can people watch American Anarchy?
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Israel does have a right to self-defense.
I think what we need to take a look at in this situation is if collective punishment qualifies as defense, if the blockade on water, food, electricity, if the dropping of white phosphorus which is an indiscriminate weapon, qualifies.
So I do believe that there's a discussion to be had here.
I don't believe that an either-or approach is what is necessary,
but we should identify what our goal is, which is the cooling of tensions.
The go is not the cooling of tensions you cretin.
The goal is to kill all the terrorists and rescue all the hostages.
Jeff, do you remember that weird interview AOC did way back when, when she'd taken off her barmaiding pinny and became a congresswoman, and somebody asked her about Palestine and Israel, and she said, I'm not an expert on geopolitics.
Do you remember that?
It was kind of like that first she talked in circles for about a minute, and then she knew she was making zero sense, and then she just went into, I'm not really an expert, yeah.
So I guess now she's an expert, right?
No, it looks like she hasn't gotten any better four years later.
Because indiscriminate weapons, or should use indiscriminate weapons, because Killing people at a desert disco, not indiscriminate!
Or launching dumb missiles that have no, no navigation, no GPS, nothing, they just land in urban areas, that's not indiscriminate.
And I wonder, those things you talk about AOC, like cutting off water, cutting off electricity, I wonder, I wonder why they're happening.
Could it be because 1,400 Israelis have been murdered by people who came from the areas that are now being besieged?
What a strange idea that maybe you shouldn't send killers from the Gaza to massacre women and children, you know, grandmothers, infants in the cradle, and expect that Israel isn't going to do something about it when you go back to that same territory from whence you launched the attack.
There is no moral equivalence.
One side is the epitome, the embodiment of evil, satanic in what they did to the Jews Saturday before last, and the other side They're trying to protect their people as they've tried to do for 4,000 years.
The great thing about Israel, even without our help, they will do what needs to be done.
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We were struck Saturday by an attack whose savagery I can say we have not seen since the Holocaust.
I mean, we had hundreds massacred, families wiped out in their beds and their homes, women brutally raped and murdered, over a hundred kidnapped, including children.
They're even worse than ISIS!
Even worse than ISIS, brutality we haven't seen since the likes of the Holocaust.
That's the Prime Minister of the State of Israel, Bibi Netanyahu.
What happens now?
We're going to spend the next hour one-on-one with one of the preeminent scholars of the region, a man who's actually made policy.
Great to be here.
the National Security Council and in the Pentagon on this region.
He is the author of Ike's Gamble, senior fellow with the Hudson Institute.
Michael Duran, Dr. Duran, welcome to America First One-on-One.
Great to be here.
Thanks for having me.
Thank you for joining us.
Can we just move through the key questions and then we'll get to your prognosis for the weeks ahead.
First things first, lots of theorizing about how this could occur, an attack which proportionally is far greater than September the 11th, given the small size of the Israeli population.
I don't believe that there were no signals.
Intelligence, as you know, is a function of reading the signals correctly.
Could you explain what your theory is for how such a concerted, coordinated attack across Israel could occur, whilst Mossad and also, seemingly, the United States, that spends far more intelligence than Israel does, also missed it?
Thanks.
As you know, a mistake of this magnitude is many different levels of mistake.
I'll just name two or three off the top of my head, the main ones.
Number one, the Israelis and the Americans were duped by Hamas on a strategic level.
Hamas Convinced everyone that after the last round of fighting a couple of years ago, that it got out of the business of mass casualty attacks, that it was interested in growing the economy of Gaza, that it wanted a quiet life, and that, you know, that it had essentially changed course.
And they did this on purpose.
It was a multi-level, multi-tiered deception operation, and they convinced everybody that that's the direction they were going.
And everyone, including the Israelis, put their guard down.
A second reason appears to be—we'll wait for the experts, you know, the real experts
on this kind of thing to weigh in, but I think it's pretty obvious.
There was an over-reliance by the Israelis on high-tech surveillance techniques.
Hamas, and perhaps behind Hamas, Iran, did a very, very serious job of understanding
all of the mechanisms by which the Israelis monitored the border, and also the mechanisms
by which they responded.
And this attack—we shouldn't be confused.
The attack looks like—it looks simple on certain levels.
The technology used in it was relatively low-grade technology.
The barbarism makes it look like a bunch of animals were just released from a cage.
a pen, from a cage.
But this was actually, everything was calculated, including the barbarism, to achieve a certain
effect.
They combined together a number of different kinds of attacks simultaneously.
Well, first of all, they blinded the Israeli first line of sensors, and then they combined together a number of attacks—paragliders with drones, with missile barrages, with an assault on the ground—so as to confuse the Israeli decision-makers or the command center about what kind of attack was happening and how to respond to it.
And they basically surprised and then discombobulated the Israelis.
One of the things that we don't have a good answer to, and I'm sure it'll be a long time before we learn because the Israelis aren't going to want to advertise this too much, Is where was the rapid response capability?
How come there were no boots on the ground that, OK, once you've been surprised and these things are happening, why did it take so long to mop up everything?
It took it took them, you know, the better at least two days, maybe even a little bit longer to get rid of all of the terrorists in their midst.
And that's just amazing.
And in the worst affected areas, you know, you had people who were hiding for eight, 10 hours.
This is unthinkable on Israeli soil.
What do you expect?
We've seen the mobilization at the end of last week.
More than a hundred thousand troops in the first mobilization.
Now they've been added too.
The challenge here is that the people you're looking for are hidden in urban areas in the Gaza Strip, which is an irregular warfare challenge.
It taxes the best of the best in special forces.
Is the goal of Hamas To extract as many civilian casualties as possible.
Talk to us about the strategic logic of doing this.
Because if you're killing babies, if you're killing people at a music festival, raping and murdering women, you know that the response will be of a magnitude that requires huge force.
And if you're hiding in urban areas, Civilians are going to die.
So, is the goal to have Israel look bad?
Put us into the mind of Hamas for just a moment, if you will, Mike.
Well, you certainly hit on one of the main points right there.
But let's start from the strategic goals and then why these tactics are going to achieve them.
The strategic goals, I think, there are four or five of them.
And really, when we think about the strategic actor here, let's start with Iran, the strategic enabler of Hamas, rather than Hamas, which is basically the tool of this.
Iran wants, first and foremost, to weaken the American alliance system and to weaken Israel.
Which is the greatest threat to its, the greatest regional threat to its nuclear program.
And it's been in a clandestine war with Israel for a long time.
So, you know, we can look at this as Iran sicking its rabid dog on the Israelis.
If we were in Benjamin Netanyahu's office on Thursday or Friday morning, even Saturday morning before the attack began, and we heard the intel briefing that he got He was getting a briefing about the Iranian nuclear program, Iranian activities.
That's not the briefing that he got on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, all the way down through all of last week.
You know, his attention is now focused exclusively on—or nearly exclusively on Hamas.
That's the strategic goal of Iran.
Iran also wanted to foil the Saudi-Israeli normalization process.
Iran wants—and this is where it intersects directly with Hamas's own individual answers—Hamas—Iran wants to elevate Hamas to become the dominant actor inside Palestinian politics.
It wants to supplant Abu Mazen, the head of the—the president of the Palestinian Authority.
And it wants to displace Fatah, his organization, inside the PLO.
And Hamas, of course, shares the same thing.
And then lastly, they want the Palestine question to be at the top of the agenda in regional politics, and a major agenda item in international politics.
They figure that that will weaken the United States in general, and it will strengthen the Iranian alliance system.
in the region overall.
So the attack was designed, the Hamas attack, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, let's not forget them.
They're not just a proxy of Iran, they are in Gaza, they are an organic extension of Iran.
They planned this attack, I'm sure, in direct, with the direct assistance of the Iranians.
I'm sure of that.
I mean, I don't have a smoking gun for that, but all of the fingerprints of Iran are on this, in terms of weaponry, tactics, concepts of operation, etc., etc., etc.
They planned it not just to murder a lot of people, but they also … sought to take hostages, so they sent out different kinds of teams.
They sent out murder teams, and they sent out hostage teams.
Yeah.
The hostage teams sorted through people.
They took high-value targets.
For example, they claimed to have taken an Israeli brigadier general.
The Israelis have not denied that.
I haven't seen it confirmed.
But Hamas had pictures of him being taken in his underwear through the streets.
So, I'm assuming, until proven otherwise, that that's actually true.
But they also wanted mainly young women, especially young female soldiers.
But young women, they want young women because people are more sympathetic to them.
These are political tools that Hamas is using.
And it's the classic tactic.
tactic of the terrorist. You want to instill as much fear as possible and
these are perfect perfect victims for the propaganda war.
We're talking to the senior fellow of the Hudson Institute Dr. Mike Doran,
formerly senior director of the National Security Council. Follow him at Doranimated on
social media at Hudson.org. Mike, the next big question I have for you is
what should we expect next?
We have, I believe, the right man in the Prime Minister's chair in Bibi Netanyahu, but we've seen a pattern of reaction to such outrageous terrorist attacks in the past where there is Unity, there is determination, but after a few weeks and a few months, the cracks appear in the unity government, the pressure from the global community that sides with the jihadists, that sides with Iran, that sides with the Palestinians, brings force to bear, and Israel loses steam in having to do what needs to be done.
Given the magnitude Of what occurred on Saturday before last.
Is this different?
Will this administration finish the job when it comes to proxies like Hamas?
Well, I certainly hope so, but we have to watch it closely and it's our job to try to convince people to support Israel.
I'm already seeing signs of the pressure growing on Israel to stop its campaign.
Very serious signs.
The Hamas is winning the YouTube war, unfortunately.
It's hard for a lot of Americans to believe that, because Americans have been presented with the evidence that Hamas carried out unspeakable atrocities.
Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad carried out unspeakable atrocities, and we believe the reports that we have heard.
Many people throughout the world don't believe those reports.
They think they're lies.
And they are seeing the picture of Israel—or the picture that Hamas and Iran's propaganda is picturing, is presenting, is Israel is making a war on Palestinian babies.
The cost to civilians in Gaza of the Israeli assaults is going to be high, of course, and Hamas and Iran and Russia and others are there.
to take the most heart-wrenching images from the losses of civilians and present them all over the world and present them as the goal of the Israelis.
So for a lot of the world, the left in the United States and Europe, a lot of the Islamic world, a lot of the adversaries of the United States, China, Russia, and so forth, the picture is one of Israeli aggression against innocent civilians in Gaza.
And that's having a real impact around the world.
Incredible.
Truly, truly incredible masters of propaganda.
How much is the response beholden or hostage to the instability, the rancor, the confusion of the last few months in Israel over the argument, the tension between the Supreme Court and the judicial reforms of the Prime Minister?
Will this complicate the response, or would it be fair to say that maybe Israel is over that domestic issue for now?
I think it's pretty obvious that they're not over it.
One doesn't want to say that, you know, because you want to be supportive and you want to say they're uniting.
And there's a lot of signs that, you know, the average person wants unity, and there's a spirit of unity.
About in the land, for sure.
There's a conviction that this time has to be different, and this time this threat needs to be completely eliminated.
But among the elite, there's still tremendous tension and fighting.
That was obvious, and they finally did form a national unity government.
What was it?
Maybe last Wednesday, I think it came together.
In the negotiations for the unity government, all of the divisions between Netanyahu and his rivals were present.
I've seen videos of prominent Israeli, right-wing Israelis, including a government minister, being screamed at and being blamed.
The left wing is blaming the right for this intelligence and response failure.
Some of that would happen for any government that was in place, but it's clear that the anger is an outgrowth or an extension of the anger that we saw on the streets over the last year.
Personally, just to put in a personal editorial note here, Uh, while I, you know, I think the the sitting government deserves responsibility when something like this happens.
There's no doubt about that.
But the level, the magnitude of the failure that we see.
is really something that goes way beyond this or that policy of a government.
This is a systemic failure on the part of the Israeli security elite.
So if you had to surmise how long before those tensions resurface?
Are we talking weeks or maybe months?
Can the bulk of the work that has to be done militarily be executed before that tension resurfaces?
Well, I think the tension is going to... I think it's going to be running through everything that happens from now until the Until the end of the war, I think it's going to be just under the surface.
But I do think that the political elite feels the spirit of the nation, feels the desire of the nation to unite, feels the weight of the responsibility of the moment in a way that they have never felt before.
This really is a truly existential threat.
So I would expect that they'll hold it together until they're close to victory, or until if they are forced by the outside world to stop short of victory.
You know, whenever a serious end to the combat operations arrives, I would expect we're going to see political bloodletting after that.
Yeah.
And I would expect that when the political infighting returns, that the decision making during the conflict is going to be part of what they'll be arguing about.
when the bloodletting, the political infighting returns, that the decision-making during the conflict
is gonna be part of what they'll be arguing about.
They'll be arguing about decisions that we don't even know about yet,
and the debates over them.
Right.
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The question we haven't broached yet, my friend, is can what happened To Israel, can we prevent it from ever happening again if, quote-unquote, Iran isn't dealt with?
If Hamas is a proxy of Iran backed by Iran, can the threat be neutralized if they're only neutralizing Hamas?
The simple answer is no, no way.
One of the most disturbing things about the way the United States has responded.
And by the way, I have to give some credit to the Biden administration here.
It's probably something that your listeners don't hear often.
But they did—they have come to the support of Israel on the Hamas question.
They did move significant naval assets into the eastern Mediterranean.
And they possibly—it seems that, if I'm reading the body language correctly, they threatened Iran and Hezbollah with American action if Hezbollah opens a northern front.
against Israel, which is really a great service to the Israeli war effort in the south against
Gaza.
But as you say, Iran is the strategic enabler of both Hezbollah in the north and Hamas in
the south.
And the administration, at the same time, while it's coming to the aid of Israel against
Hamas, it is saying that Iran had nothing to do with this attack.
And Seb, that's just ludicrous.
It's just ludicrous.
The number of indicators that show a strategic relationship of the first order between Hamas and Iran are too numerous to count.
Let's also not forget that Palestinian Islamic Jihad was working side by side with Hamas in these attacks.
And, again, Palestinian-Islamic jihad is an organic—it's an organic part of the Iranian
Revolutionary Guard Corps.
This is not a proxy—it's not a Palestinian proxy of Iran.
It's a wholly owned asset, a created and owned asset.
It doesn't go out and attack Israelis without Tehran saying, go for it.
So, the weapons are Iranian, the tactics are Iranian, the money is Iranian.
Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah are operating freely in southern Lebanon right now.
A bush can't sway in the wind in southern Lebanon unless it gets permission from Hezbollah, and Hezbollah can't give it permission unless it gets permission from Iran.
So it's ludicrous to say Iran has nothing to do with this.
It's like Iran is the contractor in a hired hit, and Hamas is the hitman.
And what the administration is doing by saying, we don't see any sign that Iran had anything
to do with this operation, it's like looking at a hit by a hit man and saying, well, the
guy who paid him to do it, the guy who trained him to do it, the guy who gave him the weapons
to do it has nothing to do with it.
It's just it's ridiculous.
Yeah, it's it is a self condemnation of the quote unquote political elite in charge today
that we actually have statements from the White House.
We have statements from the National Security Council, from the State Department that say,
no, this has nothing to do with any payments made and that we can't find any connection
between the mullahs in Iran and the violence in Israel.
I presume the last 10, 20, 30, 40 years of that connection is irrelevant.
But I think they have something to hide in terms of their culpability and that's what
we will be discussing next with our special one-on-one guest, former senior director in
the National Security Council, also previously of the Defense Department.
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His work is at the Hudson Institute, Hudson.org, or on social media with the handle at Doranimated.
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So, perhaps the most difficult question to answer is why has this administration, Mike, and why had its predecessor, its prior Democrat incarnation, the Obama administration, Why were they supporting Iran?
Why was there a JCPOA Obama-Iran deal?
Why were millions and then billions of dollars given or released?
Can you explain?
You've written about this so cogently.
Can you explain the very peculiar calculus that was driving Obama and Biden in terms of this nation that, according to the State Department, is the greatest sponsor of global terrorism?
Sure.
The Biden administration and then before it, the Obama administration, they've never been honest about how they actually see the Middle East.
They hide their true calculation.
And their true calculation goes something like this.
The United States is now primarily focused militarily on the contest with China in the South China Sea.
It doesn't—we don't need a war in the Middle East, and the wars that we did fight in the Middle East were unwise.
So it wants to pull back militarily, and it believes that the conflicts that are keeping us with a bigger footprint in the Middle East are the result of Israeli agendas against Iran and Saudi agendas against Iran that don't really mesh with the American national interest.
They believe that there are overlapping interests between the United States and Iran.
And if the United States will just distance itself somewhat from Israel, Saudi Arabia and others, and try to work on developing diplomatic channels, channels of cooperation with Iran, we can stabilize the whole region and reduce the American military footprint in the region.
National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan, in an interview with The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg, recently talked about how—this was before the Hamas-Palestinian-Islamic jihad attack on Israel—about how successful the administration had been in lowering the temperature in the region, in integrating the region, de-escalating and creating dialogue throughout the whole area.
Clearly, that was a mistake, but that's how they see the region.
And they're also supported in this way by the Defense Department.
The Defense Department looks at the world, and they see a hot war in Ukraine, where the United States is not directly involved, but it's playing a very important supporting role and coordinating role.
And then they see the potential for war in China, and they want a quiet life in the Middle East.
And so they believe, and they're never ever going to say this, But they believe that appeasement of Iran is a legitimate strategy, that Iran is an appeasable power.
We were carrying out aggressive policies that were generated by the Israelis and the Saudis.
But if we appease Iran, we can quiet the region and we can actually come to a modus vivendi with it.
The Iranians look at that and they see opportunity.
They pocket the American good feeling and the money wherever they can.
And then they give a nod to groups like Hezbollah or the Houthis or the Hamas now to stir things up in their areas, and they get to then play arsonist and fireman at the same time.
I'm sorry.
I mean, I believe your explication.
We've discussed this over dinner and cigars many times, but it seems like the logic of a child.
Well, I think that as a national security strategy, it's garbage.
But it has this additional attraction in that it really appeals to the progressive base in the United States.
So it's good.
It's good domestic politics.
So that kind of makes up it.
You know, as a national security strategy, it's written in crayon very crudely.
But but that crayon picture becomes a lot more attractive if you look at it through a lens of domestic politics, because all of the all of the people who become the bad guys in the you know, the opponents of the strategy in the region, like, say, Benjamin Netanyahu, Mohammed bin Salman, And all of the guys domestically who support the alternative strategy, which is the one that you carried out in the Trump White House of trying to contain Iran.
and prevent it from getting a nuclear weapon. All of the domestic supporters for the policy
that you favor and that I favor, these are enemies of the progressives. That's, you know,
evangelical Christians, Zionist Jews, security-minded Republicans like myself.
So these characters—Netanyahu, Mohammed bin Salman, and then these domestic characters that
I'm talking about—these are people whom the progressives hate in any case.
Yeah.
And so, now there's a new theory here, which says—this strategy gives the progressives a new argument to believe their preconceived notions.
Those, that cast of characters is the party of war.
Yeah.
We have, America is embroiled in wars in the Middle East because of these bad people.
And it doesn't turn Iran into the party of peace, but it turns Iran into the, you know, engagement of Iran as the channel for peaceful aspirations.
Yeah.
And so they, they want to believe, they truly want to believe, Obama wanted to believe that he found another way.
That there's another way to handle all these problems.
Truly, truly stunning.
We're talking to Mike Duran, former Senior Director of the National Security Council, Senior Fellow at the Hudson Institute.
One last question, Mike.
It was the proudest moment of my time in the White House when we were summoned into the Oval Office by the President, Steve Bannon, and myself with the rest of the cabinet arrayed in front of us.
He called us his heavies and he said, Steve, Seb, tell them why we need to kill the Obama-Iran deal.
And we did our, you know, elevator pitch.
White's bad for Israel, bad for the Middle East, makes Americans unsafe.
And then he killed it!
Then he just nixed the Iran deal.
We need that kind of decisive pro-American leadership back in the White House.
God willing, if we do our part, President Trump will be the 47th as well as the 45th President of the United States.
On day one, when it comes to the Middle East, Iran, proxies, Hezbollah, Hamas, what do you recommend needs to happen in the first seven days of the next Republican administration?
We have to—I'm going to answer with something that sounds abstract, but I don't think it is, if you allow me to unpack it.
Yeah.
We have to establish an American offense-dominant regime in the Middle East.
Right now, what's happened is that Iran, through the development of drones, ballistic missiles, and cruise missiles, has achieved an offense-dominant regime in the Middle East.
What that means is it has an arsenal that can overcome the missile defenses, the defenses
of any country in the Middle East, and can overcome the defenses of the Americans.
They combine these together, the ballistic missiles, drones, and cruise missiles, in
strike packages that confuse the censors and overwhelm them.
This is basically what Hamas just did to the Israelis.
It understood how they are, the lenses through which they were watching the border, and it sent out a variety of different signals that confused those, that blinded the Israelis and confused their response.
Iran can now do this on a multiplicity of levels, including highly sophisticated missiles and drones.
It's what they're doing in Ukraine.
And the result is that all of our allies are looking to us for help, and we're only offering defensive measures and appeasement, which means a lot of our allies are starting to hedge toward China in the hopes that China will weigh in.
To protect them from Iran.
So we're undermining our own system.
We need to position ourselves, posture ourselves in the Middle East, so that Iran understands that if it or its proxies carry out attacks that threaten Americans or American allies, that things that it holds very dear will be lost to it.
It sounds familiar to me.
It sounds a lot like peace through strength.
Peace through strength.
It's as simple as that.
It isn't rocket science.
No, but it worked before, and it will work again if we do our part.
God bless you, Dr. Michael Duran, Senior Fellow of the Hudson Institute.
I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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Wherever you are, whatever you're doing, keep your head on a swivel, watch your six, hold the line, never give up, never give in.