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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Will there be a jihadi attack on Friday the 13th?

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	I think we all need to steel ourselves for the very distinct possibility that these numbers will keep increasing.
	And that we may in fact find out that more Americans are part of the hostage pool.
	We will find out?
	You're the coordinator for strategic communications of the National Security Council.
	What do you mean, we will find out?
	What, what, the reporters in the room?
	It's their job?
	It's not the 17 intelligence agencies?
	It's not the CIA?
	The NSA?
	It's not the military satellites festooning the skies being run by the Pentagon that we paid for?
	I could call you a clown, but that would be an insult to clowns.
	You're a disgrace.
	You're filth, really.
	Because you're incompetent and you're an ideologue.
	What's the truth of what's happening on the ground?
	This young man is called Sahar Ben Saya and he gives his recounting of what happened at the music festival in the desert that was targeted by bloodthirsty jackals.
	Cut 12.
	After the first grenade, after something like 45 seconds, it dropped the second grenade and hit the wall, hit my head, and flow to the back of the people in the back row and explode on them.
	And there was something like a lot of smoke inside.
	And my friend's girlfriend started choking and she wanted to go out.
	And she started to run away from the shelter.
	We tried to catch her.
	I remember I was in the second row of the people.
	I tried to catch her with my hand and it was slipping.
	And she tackled, I think she tackled the terrorist.
	And he shot her dead from zero... Point blank.
	Point blank.
	Point blank, yes.
	Thank you.
	From point blank.
	And after he shot her dead, he just got inside.
	I could never forget the face of him.
	He was smiling at us.
	He looked like the devil.
	He just looked at us, pointed the gun, the Karlo machine gun, in front of the girl's face.
	And just start to spread everything around.
	All the people, I was in the second row.
	All the people in the first row and the second row shot dead.
	I just opened my eyes and opened my mouth and start to go down the wall because I understood that I got hit, but didn't understand where yet because it was blood all over and screaming.
	And from all the adrenaline, I got hit in my body, but I can't really understand what happens.
	That's at a music festival.
	Not a military target, not some kind of special forces compound, a music festival.
	What's the response from the man who controls the most powerful military in the world?
	I mean, can we even put the phrase commander-in-chief next to the word Biden?
	It beggars belief.
	Whose side is he on?
	Who's he warning?
	It's not the terrorists.
	Cut one.
	Listen to the so-called President of the United States.
	I've known Bibi for over 40 years in a very frank relationship.
	I know him well.
	And the one thing that I did say, that it is really important that Israel, with all the anger, frustration, and just So he's talking about rules of war.
	is that they operate by the rules of war.
	The rules of war.
	And there are rules of war.
	So he's talking about rules of war.
	Why is he talking about rules of war?
	Where are the rules of war for the hundreds,
	probably thousands, of Israelis that were murdered?
	Some in their beds.
	If you're watching us and you've got children in the room, I've just sent some images to my colleague Eric.
	You may want to usher the children out of the room.
	Because it's incredible.
	Israel has been forced to post photographs Of the murdered infants.
	You'd think that we could just, you know, when a nation says, yeah, 40 infants were decapitated, were murdered in a kibbutz, that we could believe them.
	We could believe the Israeli government.
	But no.
	The official account of the State of Israel has posted a photograph.
	They've blurred the face, but I don't know if it has a face.
	The body of the infant in the cot is so bloodied.
	Everybody can see what it is or what it was.
	And then Ben Shapiro, I haven't found the original source, has posted a photograph of the charred remains of a baby, of a toddler, of an infant.
	The rules of war Rules of War.
	What Geneva Convention, what Hague Annex protected those babies?
	There's one story, we mentioned it on Monday, of a couple who had ten-month-old twins on a kibbutz.
	The mother and father were murdered.
	The ten-month-old babies were just left there on the ground for ten, twelve hours, crawling in the blood of their parents.
	What rules of war, Biden?
	What Geneva Conventions?
	This is the reality.
	This is what they have wrought.
	Savages.
	Barbarians.
	The embodiment of evil.
	Wake up.
	Because they want to kill you too.
	They want to kill you too.
	It's not just about the Jews.
	It's about all infidels.
	Even the atheists.
	The atheists are worse of all because at least we Christians believe in God.
	It's about all of us.
	Wake up. Wake up. Wake up.
	Talk about what you need to do to protect yourself and your family later in the show.
	But if you stand with Israel, if you want to make a difference, then please support right now the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.
	We've partnered with them this Monday and they're getting aid to the Jews who are suffering.
	Anything you can provide, any donation you can make, will make a difference.
	Go to my website right now, sebgawker.com, and click on the Israel at War banner at the top.
	Any donation, in any size, makes a difference.
	If you want to talk to somebody, you can call the fellowship directly.
	That's the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews on 800-845-8844.
	Write the number down, please.
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	Or just go to my webpage.
	8 8 4 4 write the number down please 800 8 4 5 8 8 4 4 or just go to my web page
	that's s e b g o r k a sep gorka calm and click on the Israel at war banner at
	the top I dearly wish that everyone listened to this show and all the
	friends of relatives of those listening to the show could understand in their
	marrow at the core of their being that this is a war between good and evil and
	we are in it Whether you want to be in the war or not, you are in it.
	We have one of the foremost experts on the Middle East for the third hour today who has been in Israel a couple of times already this year.
	You don't want to miss it.
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	Yo, how's it going?
	on the right tray. Yanks cut. Oh, good. Can you play it?
	Give me a second. I'll call this cut 15.
	And boil should be there too. Oh, okay. Matt. Yo. Hey, what's going on guys? Oh, how's it going?
	Hey buddy. Here's the new cut.
	Down the street a little bit we saw about eight bodies in body bags of the local residents who were here.
	Some may be militants.
	They still have to work to identify the bodies.
	Some are hard to identify.
	I want to just tell you what the commanding officer told me when we got here.
	He saw many of the families that were slaughtered in their beds and in their bomb shelters after Hamas militants broke through the door.
	He told us that there were people who were decapitated here.
	People with their hands tied behind their backs and shot, executed.
	And you saw from inside that house, it is the most horrific thing I have ever seen.
	Alright, can you come in with that?
	Come in with Trey.
	Two and a half minutes.
	Hey Matt, how we doing?
	Pretty good, pretty good, pretty good.
	Chaos on Capitol Hill.
	Oh, I'm going to play, Matt, the Mike Gallagher Cup.
	Yeah.
	Where is that?
	The Congressman Gallagher Cup.
	11.
	11.
	We'll come in with 15 first.
	All right.
	What do you think is going to happen, Matt?
	It ain't gonna be Steve Scalise.
	Yeah, I saw the Newsmax initial reports that he's gonna drop out, but then, like, other things came out that suggest, like, Jordan endorsed Scalise, so I have no idea what's going on anymore.
	Jordan technically has, but the numbers are not there.
	They're not there.
	So, is it gonna be Speaker Jordan?
	I don't know!
	We'll see what happens after Scalise drops out.
	Scalise doesn't have a pass to 217 votes.
	is at 217 votes. Numbers aren't there. Doesn't work well for Brutus trying to become the
	That's all I'm gonna say.
	Are you calling Scalise Brutus?
	Dude!
	That's harsh!
	Wow.
	Do we have B-roll here?
	Kevin McCarthy, Scalise, Jordan.
	Let me work on that.
	Okay.
	If you're okay with it, Matt, because we've already got lots of calls coming in,
	we'll do one segment with you and let you go.
	Yeah, whatever you want to do, man.
	Okay.
	Thanks.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	I haven't even mentioned the phone number and the calls are already piling up.
	Yeah.
	Totally understandable.
	A lot going on.
	God.
	Mhmm.
	Alright, what do you want to say?
	Coming in with yanks.
	Yengst, please, yeah.
	I'm sorry.
	music down the street a little bit we saw about eight bodies in
	body bags of the local residents who were here Some may be militants.
	They still have to work to identify the bodies.
	Some are hard to identify.
	I want to just tell you what the commanding officer told me when we got here.
	He saw many of the families that were slaughtered in their beds and in their bomb shelters after Hamas militants broke through the door.
	He told us that there were people who were decapitated here.
	People with their hands tied behind their backs and shot, executed.
	And you saw from inside that house, it is the most horrific thing I have ever seen.
	That's Trey Yinks, war correspondent for Fox.
	The most horrific thing I've ever seen.
	People murdered in their beds.
	People decapitated.
	God bless you, Trey.
	Keep Israel in your prayers.
	If you want to support those who are suffering right now, please go to my website.
	We are partnering with the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.
	It's the top banner on my website, sebgawker.com.
	Just click on the Israel at War banner.
	Thank you.
	The calls are coming in thick and fast.
	I haven't even mentioned the number.
	The number here is 833-33-GORKA.
	That's 833-334-6752.
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	There is war in the Middle East, there is war in Europe, but politics inexorably moves
	The wheel turns in Washington D.C.
	in the swap.
	To give us the latest update on what is happening on Capitol Hill, the man who knows, he is the Washington Bureau Chief for the conservative juggernaut that is Breitbart.com.
	Matt Boyle, welcome back to America First.
	Dr. G, always a pleasure.
	Great to be here, as always.
	I don't know if you know this, but there was a young Marine who was my intern when I was a professor at National Defense University.
	He worked for me, and he's now a member of Congress, and his name is Mike Gallagher.
	It's funny, isn't it?
	He had something to say about the latest news about the behind-closed-doors votes for who should be the Speaker.
	I'd love for you to comment on this.
	Cut 11, Congressman Mike Gallagher.
	Both of these two men running for Speaker are good men, will support whoever wins.
	And the rule was, whoever gets the majority vote, we would support that person on the floor.
	And now it appears that people don't want to abide by that rule and tradition, which really throws the House into chaos.
	And we can't confirm the Speaker.
	We can't do anything.
	We can't pass a bill providing aid to Israel.
	We can't pass a bill that would ban or force the sale of TikTok.
	All the important things we need to get done cannot happen in the absence of a speaker.
	So I get it.
	All the important things that need to get done.
	I mean, the aid to Israel, they're going to get the aid, the military aid, but you're banning TikTok, that's your priority.
	Mike, Mike, Mike, what happened to you after you interned for me?
	All right, Matt, we've got the numbers.
	The nomination, the secret ballot saw 113 votes.
	for Steve Scalise who I like.
	99 votes for Jim Jordan which means Steve Scalise needs to get another 104 votes from just the Republicans.
	Actually it's more like 110 Dr. G because Three of those votes that Scalise got are from non-voting members, like the delegates from Guam and Puerto Rico and stuff.
	So he technically didn't even get a majority of the majority, right?
	He only got 110 votes.
	There's 221 voting Republican members in the House of Representatives.
	So thank you for the correction in the math.
	What's going on?
	Look, it doesn't seem likely that Steve Scalise can pull this together.
	Again, like I said, it's pretty embarrassing that he only got 110 votes out of 221 voting
	members.
	But why?
	Why?
	Would you have any intel?
	And you're hearing different reasons from different members.
	First and foremost, there is no plan from Steve Scalise for the government funding fight.
	We've heard from several Republicans and conservatives that he did not articulate a plan.
	Secondly, he whipped against this rule that Congressman Chip Roy was putting forward.
	That was a vote right before the speaker vote.
	That would have raised the threshold that a candidate for Speaker for Republicans would have to have 217 votes before they would go to the floor, and he really irritated a lot of Republicans with that.
	Third, and perhaps equally importantly to all of these other things, Steve Scalise is battling cancer.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, he's battling life-threatening cancer diagnosis, and that has a lot of members, like Marjorie Taylor Greene, who issued a big statement about this, very irked.
	Like, can he do the job?
	You know, it's obviously a very demanding and taxing position to be the Speaker of the House and members are clearly not convinced about that.
	And then there are other people like Nancy Mace, who was one of the eight that threw out McCarthy, who went on CNN and raised concerns about previous engagements that Scalise had made at speeches.
	This was a story a decade ago.
	Right?
	Like of things that he had done, you know, where he had been compared to David Duke and made his appearances with white nationalist groups and stuff like that.
	Hang on.
	Are we, are we playing that game?
	Are we playing the left game now?
	Really?
	Well, I mean, but again, that's Nancy Mace saying it, not me.
	Mace is a lunatic.
	She was running around in a t-shirt yesterday with the letter A on her breasts.
	I mean, she's not a credible individual.
	So okay, let's not, you know, dig up stuff from ten years ago like you the Huffington Post is gonna do.
	But let's talk about the reality.
	Jim Jordan on my show said he doesn't want to be the speaker.
	He said that ten months ago.
	Right.
	Well, Jim Jordan ran for speaker.
	He got 99 votes.
	He would have been 100, but Congressman Cory Mills is over in Israel right now.
	So again, like I said, it's not 218.
	Right.
	So the point here is, is that the looks like we're gonna have to go back to the drawing board again.
	So the fact is, is that Scalise doesn't have a path to 217 votes.
	And it's really 217 that you need because there's two vacancies, one Republican, one Democrat seat.
	So that lowers the number.
	So it's 217 that they need right now.
	But the point here is that it doesn't appear as though Steve Scalise has a path to 217 votes.
	But does Jim?
	Here's the question.
	What is your expectation?
	Um, so if they if Scalise withdraws from the race, which I kind of expect will happen tonight or tomorrow morning, because it's clear he doesn't have a path.
	I don't know if he'll actually do it or not, or if he'll continue to put the Republicans through pain.
	But the point is that eventually he's gonna have to withdraw because he doesn't have a path.
	So the then they go back and they have another conference vote.
	I don't know if somebody runs, if Jordan runs again, or somebody else runs, or whatever.
	And then at that point, someone else will become the conference nominee, and they'll try to put together 217 votes.
	We'll see what happens.
	But it's possible if Jordan was in the position that Scalise is in right now, which is really the only, the difference of about five or six members, right?
	Like, again, because we're talking about 110 to really 100, because Corey Mills, who's over in Israel right now, would have been a Jordan vote.
	So, the fact is, is that if 5 or 6 go Jordan's way, then I could see Jordan possibly being able to put together the 217.
	I don't know.
	You know my cell phone number, so you're the man.
	Keep us posted.
	In the meantime, follow the Washington Bureau Chief of Breitbart at For Matt Boyle on Truth Social, we are everywhere that matters.
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	Thank you, Matt!
	Next, your calls here on America First.
	This is America First.
	Totally.
	He would love it.
	The media coverage and stuff of his shutdown.
	That would be pretty great.
	He's a lunatic, but... And he knows he's not gonna win next time around, so he's just gonna go all out.
	He should be in jail.
	You see how many indictments against him?
	What, are there new ones?
	Yeah, there's a new one.
	Oh, yeah.
	What's the new one?
	What was the one yesterday?
	I can't keep up with it.
	I think he knows he's probably going to jail, and he's just having a ball with it.
	Yeah, and he's guilty as can be.
	He's just having a ball with it.
	I love it.
	What was the one yesterday?
	Menendez they just did now on the foreign agent one.
	They love that.
	It just charged with that.
	Conspiracy and wire fraud.
	Wow.
	I can't believe Mike Gallagher.
	What a twit.
	I don't know.
	What a twit.
	I hate these dumb talking points, like, oh, if we were to speak right now, we'd ban TikTok.
	And the Senate would approve it, and Biden would sign it.
	Totally, yeah.
	Right.
	Well, and again, the chaos thing.
	You know, that's the talking point.
	Oh, it's chaos, it's chaos, it's chaos.
	Like, that's what they said in January, and that's what they're saying now.
	We didn't play Call of Cthulhu 5 yet, right?
	No, we have not.
	Okay, good.
	Alright, what do you use that with?
	Alberto.
	Alberto.
	Oh, title for Matt.
	Come in with three, and then I'll do My Patriot's Supply.
	Title for Matt.
	Yep.
	Et tu, Scalise?
	No.
	Um...
	Can Jim Jordan, um, get the votes?
	The thing with Donald's, I don't see a bunch of, like, the rhinos hating on him the way they would hate someone like a Gates or a Jordan, so.
	I agree.
	Yeah.
	Coming in with three.
	I don't think a lot of people want it right now.
	Not at this moment.
	Want what?
	Speakers.
	Oh, speakership.
	Yeah.
	You said you'll tee up five balls.
	Yeah, cause like, you know, serving your country is like...
	It's less serving the- 🎵
	🎵 And as we take these acts, I continue to call on Congress to pass what my friends in the front row here mostly support.
	Junk Fee Prevention Act.
	Hard to say.
	Anyway, but all kidding aside, I'm asking Congress... Junk Fee Prevention Act?
	Is that difficult to say, Jeff?
	Junk Fee Prevention Act?
	How about the crowd is clapping when he gets it right?
	What are they clapping for?
	That he's an idiot or that he could get it right the fourth time?
	I think it's that he got it right.
	They need to stop with him in websites.
	Every single website he screws up.
	Has he ever done it correctly?
	No.
	Somebody should put it there, website.com and see if he can read it.
	Like, website.com.
	Can you read it?
	You gotta laugh, but the world's going to hell in a handbasket and that guy's at the tiller.
	You know it's gonna get worse before it gets better.
	We've got 13 more months of this insanity before the election.
	What happens when next time the crisis is at home and it's not just baby formula that Biden's regime runs out of?
	What if it's the staples for life?
	What if it's the food you need for your family?
	Are you aware of the fact that the average grocery store, even the big ones, you know, like Giant, like Safeway, they have less than 72 hours worth of stock in the back room.
	That's it.
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	Let's go to your calls.
	Cleveland, Mark, welcome to America First.
	Thank you for taking my call.
	I just want to mention last week I called and I said this.
	Biden was bumbling like crazy and he reminded me of this guy on Johnny Carson.
	I don't know if you recall that.
	Yeah, you don't have to repeat the call but, you know, what do you want to say now, Mark?
	Oh, I got the guy's name.
	Foster Brooks.
	Okay, good.
	Is that why you called?
	No, second of all, everybody's talking about, well, what's going to happen?
	What's going to happen after the tanks move in and everything's destroyed and whatever?
	I recommend the Egyptians don't want them.
	They've gotten in their border guards and they've gotten firefights with them and everything
	else.
	I say get the women and children and have them bused out of Gaza and to the lower part
	of the West Bank.
	When they get in and destroy the city, you've got like 300 miles of tunnels.
	The Israelis will have to go through this area with a fine-tooth comb.
	Tunnels, blinds, explosives.
	And how's anybody going to live there?
	Bye.
	So I don't understand what your recommendation is.
	What are you saying about the women and children?
	My recommendation is to, just like all the foreigners we have poured into our country, get buses or whatever it takes, take the women and children and ship them to the West Bank.
	Well, yeah, but Hamas has to let them do that, and they won't.
	They want their human shields, Mark.
	Why would they give away their human shields?
	That I understand.
	Okay, thank you, Mark.
	Let's go to Joyce in Florida.
	Hi there, Dr. Gorka.
	I'm a great fan and first-time caller.
	Thank you very, very much for all you do.
	I wanted to just say quickly that Biden's speech struck me as kind of a warning, maybe, to Hamas and to Iran, which is, cool it, guys.
	You guys have gone overboard with this.
	Nobody can deny it.
	And now we all have to side with Israel.
	So it's kind of, you know... No, I don't buy it for a second.
	I mean, the guy who's actually giving six billion dollars to Iran is now protecting Israel.
	Why would he do that?
	No, no, he's not protecting Israel, is what I meant.
	He's telling them, cool it, because now we all have to kind of side with Israel because you've gone too far.
	You know, the images, nobody can deny these horrific things.
	So basically, he's actually saying, wrong move, wrong move.
	You're positing that this man knows what he's doing, and he actually has a brain.
	True, true.
	That's true, though.
	Because, who knows?
	But that's kind of a take, because it didn't ring very, very sincerely.
	Well, no, because he doesn't know what he's doing, that's why.
	But we're glad you're a first-time caller.
	Stay on the line.
	Let's give Joyce a copy of Defeating Jihad, the book that It was my first book.
	Now it's relevant again, sadly.
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	I forgot to mention, if you support the president, if you want him back in the White House, if
	you want us to be safe again and the world to be stable, go to his website as well, donaldjtrump.com.
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	Don't go anywhere.
	Antoinette, Wesley, and Darren, I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	Mic's on.
	We're going to go ahead and get started.
	Alright, we have played... Did we play 2?
	2?
	We did not play that one.
	We played 1.
	And you said you still wanted to use 5 at some point?
	Netanyahu with... I used that with Alfred.
	Oh, okay.
	We've got... Oh, where are we?
	This is D. Oh, I missed that up, so I'll do my pillow here instead.
	Alright, come in with...
	Cut sevens.
	I was thinking, yeah.
	Where are you calling from?
	night.
	It's 11 o'clock at night in Israel.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Oh goodness.
	Is there seven hours ahead?
	Chris Cuomo is in Israel.
	No, you're kidding.
	Coming in with 7...
	...7...
	...8...
	...9...
	...10...
	...11...
	45 seconds.
	Alright?
	Alright, so... let's get started.
	You haven't called on me in two seasons, Karine.
	And not calling on you today.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead, sir.
	You should be ashamed of that.
	That shows disrespect to a free and independent media.
	It's a black press and one of our country's largest and most widely read newspaper screen.
	That shows contempt for a free and independent press.
	Go ahead.
	I'm calling on somebody who I haven't called in a long time as well.
	Go ahead.
	Poor old Steve.
	Why would you go to a White House briefing if you haven't been called on for two seasons?
	That's a weird way of putting it.
	But he does represent the oldest newspaper founded by one of our founding fathers in New York Post.
	I guess Corinne Jean-Pierre doesn't want to talk to him.
	It's truly, truly embarrassing.
	That's because she's embarrassing.
	She doesn't even know which party is which.
	Here she is.
	Listen to which party she criticizes for a certain type of economic plan.
	This is Corinne Jean-Pierre, Cut 9.
	One of the things that we have seen is that congressional Democrats continue to do the trickle-down economics, which we know doesn't work.
	Well, Jeff, if the Democrats know that trickle-down economics doesn't work, shouldn't they stop it, Jeff?
	No, I think it's good.
	She's speaking truth to power.
	Truth to power.
	The cynicism of that man.
	Oh dear.
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	It's Thursday.
	It's Antoinette, California.
	Welcome, my dear.
	Hey, Dr. G. Good afternoon.
	Can you hear me okay?
	Perfectly.
	Yes, thank you.
	I got another phone.
	So, what I want to say... It's better!
	It's actually a lot... I didn't want to say anything the last three calls.
	I thought you were like using one of those tin cans with some string.
	But you are Antoinette, so I didn't say anything.
	But I'm glad that you did it by yourself.
	Thank you, sir.
	So, Dr. G, can we just go to the jugular with Biden, Mayorkas, as well as Garland, just charging with treason right now?
	But who?
	Hang on, who?
	Do you have a Department of Justice I didn't know about?
	Maybe we can go about it in a different way, but I'm so over those people.
	I hate them!
	I'm so... I know.
	I know, Dr. G. We don't have really a DOJ.
	That's why we have to get President Trump back in the White House, my dear.
	And you know, what's interesting, the last couple of times at the different Planned Parenthoods, especially the one at Orange... Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	We lost you there.
	Especially the one where?
	At the Tustin Orange Planned Parenthood.
	At the Jihad.
	And actually a woman showed up in a burqa.
	And you know my heart... Hang on, hang on.
	Abortion is totally against Islam.
	A woman in a burqa went to the Planned Parenthood?
	And with the jihad and a couple women with the Muslim headdress on.
	Dr. G, I don't understand this.
	I haven't really hardly slept these last almost a week now since they attacked, since Hamas has attacked Israel.
	You know, I'm just so over so many things.
	I'm mentally and physically exhausted and my heart, our heart aches.
	And then of course this stupid Gavin Newsom with all these rules and regulations for our children.
	You guys, we need to pray hard and we need to get President Trump back in because we're losing our country!
	Stop it!
	Strength!
	Fortitude.
	It's okay.
	Strength.
	You are one of our warriors, my dear.
	Hey, Dr. G, the other thing I wanted to say, you and your Katie, you guys did great on Sunday.
	You did super.
	Thank you.
	That's so kind.
	That's so kind.
	Katie was getting all kinds of texts after the show on Newsmax.
	I had her on the show.
	A very special guest.
	If you don't No, you've got to watch it every Sunday night, 7 p.m., 10 p.m.
	Eastern.
	We're going to do a whole special on what's happening in Israel with President Trump's ambassador, David Friedman, as the first guest.
	You don't want to miss it.
	Stay strong, my friend.
	I like your phrase, you've had it with these people, but guess what?
	We still have to win.
	God bless you, Antoinette.
	Let's go to Wesley in Georgia.
	I'm calling from Georgia, Seb, and thank you for what you're doing.
	When you opened talking about Biden, Encouraging Hamas to color inside the lines in response to their cutting off 40 babies' heads and killing young, beautiful women dancing in a desert rave.
	I mean, that was amazing.
	And then I thought, OK, you know what?
	I'm for Israel going in there and getting rid of everybody in Gaza and re-annexing it and starting over.
	I don't care.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm done.
	And then I realized, hey, you know what?
	I'm calling from Georgia and probably Not everybody in Gaza is really wanting Hamas, just like not everybody in Georgia wants fraudulent elections.
	And we're having a hard time with Brian Kemp.
	And as far as I'm concerned, Brian Kemp is like Hamas.
	We got to rise up and get rid of him or we're going to be guilty.
	We need a special session in this state to investigate fraudulent William Ligon, Senator William Ligon proven voter fraud here.
	And so I kind of, I kind of checked myself because You know, there maybe are some people in Gaza that don't want Hamas.
	Hang on, hang on.
	There's a problem here with your theory, Wesley.
	Look at what Egypt has said.
	Look at what Jordan has said.
	If the Arab nations of the region I don't want the Palestinians.
	Jordan is full of Palestinian refugees.
	They don't want any more.
	I've been there.
	I've been to the refugee camps.
	I took my family to the refugee camps in Jordan Christmas three years ago.
	If Egypt just said today, we don't want Palestinians, what does that tell you, Wesley?
	What does that tell you about the people living in Gaza, living in the West Bank?
	Their fellow co-religionists, their fellow Arabs don't want them in their country.
	So that tells you everything you need to know.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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	What was that?
	Oh.
	Is he on the phone?
	Yeah.
	Is that Alberto?
	Yes.
	Okay, good.
	Jeff wants to know if he needs something.
	What was that call?
	Which one?
	Georgia, Hamas, Kemp.
	Was that guy on drugs?
	He thought it was funny.
	Yeah, clearly.
	Oh, man.
	Alright.
	right a coming up at one again and I'll do much longer to down
	Come with one, then merch, then Darren.
	All right.
	All right.
	Okay.
	I've known Bibi for over 40 years.
	We have a very frank relationship.
	I know him well.
	And the one thing that I did say, that it is really important that Israel, with all the anger, frustration, and just, I cannot explain it, that exists, Is that they operate by the rules of war.
	The rules of war.
	And there are rules of war.
	Right, Israel's a problem right here.
	I mean, his battery's at like 7%.
	Is he like running out of batteries?
	That guy's the president.
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	Waiting patiently in Minneapolis, Darren, welcome to America First.
	Dr. Gorker, always a pleasure when I can get through to talk with you, but I wanted to
	say Monday I listened to your show, and the anger in your voice was quite evident.
	I felt the exact same way, and I kept remembering President Trump when he was in a press conference,
	and some stupid reporter asked him, well, what will you do if the United States is getting
	attacked or North Korea sends a missile?
	President Trump's response was, I can almost quote it, was, if the United States is attacked by anybody, there will be a response the world has never seen.
	And I am so sick of hearing Every single decade or whatever it is, Israel gives and gives and gives.
	And then just what this blundering idiot president said earlier, I hope Israel operates by the rules of war.
	So, executing babies, cutting their heads off, raping women, beating them, their dead bodies with two-by-fours is following the rules of war?
	I wish Israel would annihilate that area.
	I'm so sick of this.
	And I love hearing your show because you say things exactly how they should be said, And people had better wake up.
	If you're gay, if you're Jewish, or you're a woman and you vote Democrat in this country, I'm gay.
	You are a moron.
	Do you have any idea what would happen to you if you lived?
	I see signs on social media, queers for Palestine.
	I'm like, are you people this stupid?
	They would kill you in a second.
	And I just thank God for your show and some of the other people that are on this station
	that I listen to, because it's all that you can do without going crazy, because Israel
	should be allowed to respond, which is best for Israel.
	And everybody else stay the hell out of it, because they could annihilate that area just
	like in 1968.
	They'd be screaming and running.
	Darren, thank you.
	We're out of time.
	Stay on the line.
	God bless you for your kind words.
	Let's send Darren a signed copy of Defeating Jihad so he knows even more what the threat is truly about.
	Thank you, Darren.
	Next up, well, you don't want to miss it.
	Stay here on America First.
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	you Making sense out of today's nonsense, here's Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	It's funny, I don't exactly want to be a farmer or a poet, but I kind of thought I'd left my past existence behind me.
	Over 20 years working in national security counter-terrorism, made a lot of great friends, Saw a lot of things I would like to unsee.
	And then I got a radio show.
	Something that if you told me 10 years ago, 20 years ago, I would have said, you're crazy, that's never going to happen.
	I thought my life had changed.
	Talking about the culture, politics.
	But my past is back.
	And the things that haunted me for so many years They're happening again.
	In kibbutzim, in Israel, in apartments, at music festivals in the desert.
	And so I've resurrected my old contacts.
	Friends who know what Israel and the world is facing, and people who can help you understand it.
	One of them rose to the lofty position of Ambassador for Counterterrorism Communications Coordination.
	He is right now with an amazing organization called MEMRI.
	He is Ambassador Alberto Fernandez.
	Ambassador, welcome back to America First.
	Thank you.
	It's a pleasure to be on with you in such difficult circumstances.
	Yeah, we thought we could leave that kind of behind for a while, right?
	Right.
	Right.
	Let's put everything in context.
	You're the Vice President at MEMRI.
	Everybody needs to go to memri.org.
	That's M-E-M-R-I dot O-R-G.
	Could you put the recent events into context?
	How do the attacks of Saturday fit into what we've witnessed for the last 20, 30, 40, 50 years?
	This is qualitatively of a different magnitude, is it not?
	It certainly is in terms of the operation, in terms of the mindset and the worldview.
	It's a continuation of a long twilight struggle that we've seen of fully armed political Islam.
	People forget Hamas, you know, you think Palestinian group.
	Hamas is the armed wing or the armed reality of the Palestinian Muslim Brotherhood.
	Yes, so let's be clear here.
	So the Muslim Brotherhood, the organization created in 1924 after the dissolution of the caliphate, had a mission to recreate the Islamic empire, the caliphate, the theocracy, and it created organizations around the world.
	And if you want to understand Al-Qaeda or ISIS, the genesis, the gene code of those
	terrorist organizations is the Muslim Brotherhood, Sayyid Qutb, all of their authors, milestones,
	the people who say Islam must cover the earth, and Hamas.
	In Hamas' case, this isn't some kind of vague connection.
	This is the Muslim Brotherhood for that part of the world.
	Exactly.
	And they're very clear about their goal.
	I mean, they have a Palestinian goal, which is an Islamic state in the whole of what they call Palestine.
	So it's not like, you know, it's not like liberating some territory on the West Bank or something like that.
	This isn't Kashmir.
	This isn't some little part of the world.
	They believe Tel Aviv is occupied territory.
	They believe every inch of 1948 Internationally recognized Israel is occupied.
	So they want an Islamic State on Palestine, and then actually they want part of a Caliphate and Empire and all of that.
	So that's an old dream.
	That's an old thing.
	What you have new, of course, is Hamas has been Hezbollah-cized.
	Okay, so let's explain.
	What is Hezbollah and why is Hamas, which is a Sunni Muslim enterprise, being back-funded and trained by a Shiite terror nation like Iran?
	How does that happen?
	Because Sunni versus Shia, we need to explain this.
	Exactly.
	And sometimes they don't get along, right?
	They clash, and they even fight.
	Well, I mean, it goes back to the vision that Khomeini and Iran have for the world and for the region.
	The Ayatollah.
	The destruction of Israel.
	And, you know, they've opposed Israel, they've carried out terrorist attacks, and they developed the idea over time to create a kind of You could say a swarm tactic where you have not one, not two, not three, but several armed groups, militia proxies, terrorist group proxies that could kind of take the fight to Israel, Iran standing behind as the puppet master.
	The crown jewel of these network of proxies is Hezbollah, the Shia terrorist group based in Lebanon that rules, basically rules Lebanon.
	They are the hardcore, the kind of terrorism innovators in many ways fighting against Israel, fighting also to support Assad.
	Fighting to support Assad, you know, carrying out terrorist organizations worldwide, also involved in drug smuggling and all kinds of stuff like that.
	They're really good at their terrorism.
	How do they fit into what's happening right now?
	Well, this is the way they fit in.
	They've become kind of Iran's master trainers.
	They kind of take all these groups in Yemen, in Palestine, in wherever, in Iraq, and train them up and equip them up.
	Like going back to the Cold War, the PLO actually trained the IRA.
	Yes.
	Or, for example, the Russians used the Stasi in East Germany to train groups, say, in Latin America or in other places.
	As a cutout.
	Exactly.
	They were guys they really trusted who were a cutout and who were really good at their job.
	Two years ago, and we know this, not from the Americans, not from the Israelis, because Supporters of Hezbollah said it.
	Two years ago, Hezbollah and Hamas set up a joint operations center in Beirut.
	Shocking.
	And in fact, we know this.
	This is, again, from them.
	This is not us saying it.
	It's them saying it.
	They've been planning this for two years now.
	Well, let's talk about that.
	We have this video that you posted, memory the organization, the Middle East Media Research Institute, which you said to me before we went on air, what has what, five million views?
	Roughly, I think more than that now.
	So this is a translated interview.
	Explain who this is and what he says about this operation.
	This is Ali Baraka.
	He's a member of the Senior Leadership Council of Hamas.
	This is an interview he gave on Russia Today Arabic.
	Of course.
	And he's boasting.
	He's boasting about what they did.
	How it took two years planning.
	How they deceived the Israelis to thinking that they were no longer in the terror business.
	They wanted to Practice good governance for the people of Gaza.
	They didn't want to do terrorism anymore, and they fooled them.
	And that meanwhile, what they did is they built a terror industrial complex in Gaza, and he boasts.
	We make everything.
	We make rockets, we make all kinds of stuff in underground factories inside Gaza.
	And then he goes on, he's boastful, right?
	To say basically, we don't just want Israeli prisoners released, or Palestinians held by Israel.
	We want Palestinians held by the Americans.
	And we know the Americans will deal because the Americans just dealt with Iran.
	And so we expect the same thing.
	It's kind of a smoking gun.
	Why would he do that, and why would he do that on Russian TV?
	Russia today, Arabic is very popular in the Arab world, and it's sympathetic to Iran, and to, you know, National Liberation Movement, so it's a sympathetic audience.
	I think they're boasting, and they want to, you know, he's talking obviously in Arabic to an Arab audience, so he wants to highlight the role of Iran.
	So he is showing off.
	He is showing off.
	He wants to highlight how good they were, how clever they were.
	I mean, obviously for us, it sends different messages.
	But for an Arab audience, that's their target audience.
	And what we're hearing, potentially, of Hezbollah getting engaged, and then maybe the Christians.
	I've got friends in Beirut who are saying they're not going to sit back and just watch.
	Could this broaden very rapidly, Mr. Ambassador?
	It could.
	Obviously, I think Hezbollah will wait and see when it makes sense, if they want to intervene.
	Because Hezbollah is this crown jewel of the Iranian Empire.
	It's a valuable weapon.
	They don't want to blow it too soon.
	My analysis says that if Hezbollah goes in, it will be when it looks like Hamas is losing.
	If Hamas is going to lose everything, If Hamas rule is ending in Gaza, if the whole Gaza project is ending for them, that is the point of maximum danger when Hezbollah could be tempted to go in.
	Now, while things are not quite happening yet, there's no ground attack and stuff like that, Hezbollah is going to wait and see how things develop.
	We're talking to the vice president of an incredible organization.
	Go there right now.
	If you just want, you know, the raw intelligence you won't get from a politically charged intelligence community, it's memory.org, the Middle East Media Research Institute, M-E-M-R-I dot O-R-G, and follow our guest on Twitter at Alberto Miguel F5.
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	Okay, good.
	All right.
	Let's look at Alberto's Chiron again.
	It's a little busy.
	I should say it's a VP.
	A VP.
	Yeah, put VP and put INST instead of institute.
	You can abbreviate memory.
	It's so well known.
	Put MEMR.
	Oh, that's fine.
	That's good.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's fine.
	That's fine.
	Yeah, that's good.
	Good, good.
	All right.
	What have we got here?
	We've got... I'm gonna do... I'm gonna do Merch and Ally at the top here.
	Actually, come in with five.
	Then I'll do Merch and Ally, and then we'll go to the Ambassador.
	Play me Cut Eight again.
	You all need to know that America is not sending their best and brightest, you know, to Washington, D.C.
	Sometimes you literally just can't believe, like, you know, these people are making the decisions that are, you know, determining the government here.
	It's actually scary, too.
	Incredible.
	Coming in with five.
	The lack of self-awareness is what gets me.
	Yeah, totally.
	Oh, and cut ten.
	Ten.
	Black Lives Matter is filled with jobless, godless, hateful Marxists, and their support for literal terrorism just emphasizes that point.
	There's no such thing as being the good guy when you are beheading babies, and that's exactly what Hamas is doing.
	And I used to fall for the lies of Black Lives Matter, and I would often say that there are some good people over there, they're just misguided.
	But that is not the case, especially anymore.
	Because if you can stand behind an organization that supports this level of devastation, then that is a direct reflection 90.
	Coming in with 5.
	of you and your values.
	Peace is easier said than done, but hatred is always a conscious choice.
	And Black Lives Matter chooses hatred every single day.
	90.
	Coming in with 5.
	Then Yahoo.
	Hello.
	Any word on if we're having another guest or not?
	No, no.
	She wants to give me somebody else right now because she's still in the field.
	So I said we'll contact them next week.
	So we'll go with Chansley.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	Yup.
	Thirty seconds.
	Three, two, one.
	Hamas is ISIS.
	And just as ISIS was crushed, so too will Hamas be crushed.
	And Hamas should be treated exactly the way ISIS was treated.
	Yeah, we crushed ISIS when we were in the White House.
	We'd been told by Obama that it was, you know, a generational threat.
	You just got to get used to it.
	But President Trump came in.
	He got the lawyers out of the way, unleashed Delta, unleashed Bragg.
	And within a matter of months, the caliphate was gone.
	We need President Trump back in the White House.
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	We're back with Ambassador Alberto Fernandez, former coordinator for counterterrorism communication,
	now vice president of the amazing organization the Middle East Research, Middle East Media
	Research Institute, memory.org.
	Mr. Ambassador, what's the end game here?
	You know these people better than almost anyone.
	They killed women, children, unarmed civilians.
	Are they desirous of an overreaction from Israel?
	Israel needs to finish this.
	They need to destroy Hamas.
	What does Hamas want at the end of this?
	Do they want an overreaction?
	Do they want to draw other parties into the conflict?
	What is your estimation?
	I believe that, I mean, Hamas sees the scenario playing out at kind of an enhanced version of what they've seen in the past, which is they provoke.
	Israel responds, and over time, the West and the Arab states get uneasy with the narrative of the victim.
	Basically, the killer turns into a victim, right?
	And Hezbollah wraps itself in the rhetoric and language of victimhood and says, here are our kids, look what you did, all of this stuff.
	The difference is that Hamas has kind of achieved a kind of catastrophic success.
	What I mean by that, its brutality and its savagery has been so bloody.
	That Israel, as any nation-state would do, has to try to remove this threat.
	So at the sheer minimum, Israel has to disarm Hamas, disarm this organization, if not destroy it completely.
	But can that be done without dealing with the threat of Iran?
	Because Iran is always there to buy more guns, recruit more people, provide the training.
	Can Hamas be dealt with in a vacuum?
	Well, Iran is the head of the snake.
	There's no doubt about that.
	The question, as I said when I was talking about Hezbollah, is how valuable is the Hamas card for Iran?
	Because Iran also is playing this game, right?
	Could Hamas be expendable?
	It's hard to conceive that given the rhetoric that the so-called axis of resistance Iran's network uses, it's hard to believe that Hamas would be completely expendable.
	So what Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, what they all want is kind of some half measure where Hamas is bloody but unbowed, or it survives as an entity on the ground in Gaza still.
	But Jerusalem can't put up with that.
	I don't see how they could.
	The question is going to be what happens on the ground, right?
	How difficult is the ground attack going to be, the parameters of that?
	You're absolutely right.
	Israel has a kind of an imperative to re-establish deterrence and to destroy this organization completely, or as completely as possible.
	What will the robustness of the administration in Jerusalem be?
	Because we've seen months and months and months of strikes, of protests, the argument between the Prime Minister's cabinet, the Supreme Court, and we see a pattern in previous years and decades that there is a robust response to violence and then the cohesiveness of coalition governments Fades, the EU, Democrat administration say, cool it Israel, you know, stop it, you're hurting people, and then they don't finish the job.
	Given it's Netanyahu again, given it's a very fragile political situation prior to the attack, what are the chances that they can actually do what needs to be done, Mr. Ambassador?
	Well, I think the situation here, and I'm just going by what the Israeli leadership says, is that this is different than the other ones.
	Yes, you're absolutely right.
	The reaction of the Europeans, of the West, of the Democrats, of regimes in the Arab world is completely predictable as time goes on.
	But it's the Israelis who say this is not just like The time before when a couple people get killed in a few hundred rockets.
	Imagine that.
	A few hundred or a few thousand rockets.
	This time it's qualitatively different.
	So that means the response has to be different this time.
	In that case, how much of a factor is the reality that this White House is not a leader internationally?
	Well, I mean, it's worse than that.
	This White House has been a leader internationally in creating the circumstances that led for Iran and Hamas to be able to do this.
	And you hear these statements every day since Saturday that we find no evidence of Iranian involvement.
	I mean, it's a bad joke.
	I mean, they've said, you know, they've kind of Said some good things too, but the problem is, is two years of empowering Iran with billions of dollars.
	You know, there's this debate now about six billion?
	That's nothing!
	There's $25, $30, $40, $50 billion since 2021 that this administration has sought to provide
	or to facilitate Iran getting, either allowing easier fuel, oil sales, or SDRs from the IMF,
	or money going from Iraq to Oman.
	They're like tens of billions of dollars.
	We're talking to Ambassador Alberto Fernandez, Vice President of the Middle East Media Research Institute.
	Follow him on Twitter at AlbertoMiguelF5 and at Memory.org.
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	That's the president and founder of Memory.
	He was a counter-terrorism advisor to two prime ministers.
	And he's a tough man.
	Does he do media?
	He does do media.
	He's in Jerusalem, but he does do media.
	The sirens went off while he was doing it.
	But he's telling me of some of the things that they've seen.
	This is days ago.
	Now some of it's come out.
	He's a strong man who is really shaken.
	A guy who's been in war.
	Will you connect us?
	Yeah, of course.
	Is he back there on government work?
	No, no.
	He's a retired, you know, guy.
	He's very critical of Bibi.
	And he's not wrong.
	Because it's Bibi that allowed Qatar to give a couple billion dollars to Hamas.
	Now, why did Bibi do it?
	He wanted to buy peace.
	Yeah.
	Or calm.
	Calm.
	Like, you give these people money, they can, you know, they can rebuild, they can have a nice life, they can, you know... Buy more guns.
	This is the problem, right?
	I mean, it makes sense, kind of, if they're normal people.
	But they weren't normal people.
	Now we know that they were planning it all along, pretending.
	But why would Bibi be so naive?
	Well, this is a debate among Israelis.
	This is a debate among Israelis.
	The idea was that Hamas is a counterweight to use against the PLO.
	To kind of scare them into behaving.
	He was trying to play this, I think he was actually, he was not dumb, he was too clever by half.
	Too clever, too clever.
	Too clever by half.
	But trying to use an organization like Hamas as a pawn is... Yeah, and Qatar thinking I can, these dumb Qataris with all this money, I can manipulate them.
	The Qataris were giving money to Hamas and he allowed it.
	The key brotherhood funders.
	Exactly, so.
	But he doesn't, even though he doesn't like BB, he doesn't talk about it a lot.
	It's not a main issue of his.
	So he founded Memory?
	Yeah.
	25 years ago.
	Wow.
	I texted you something real quick, Seb.
	Uh, yeah.
	Why doesn't Putin go after Hamas?
	Wasn't he trying to de-Nazify Ukraine?
	Oh my gosh, that's a good point.
	Why doesn't Putin go after Hamas if he wants to de-Nazify Ukraine?
	He can de-Nazify Gaza.
	Um... Bollocks.
	I completely forgot about that.
	Yeah, because I saw you said you could have done bowling right at the top, so I figured... Yeah.
	But they say, yeah, they got a long cold open tonight.
	But what does that mean, a long cold open?
	They're just going to play, like, video?
	I think something along those lines.
	Because you know he does that every now and then.
	He plays, like, really long videos.
	Yeah.
	Should I just say no?
	Um... What does that mean?
	I'll ask him.
	Tell him I've got a hard out at 5.30.
	Oh, okay.
	Hard out.
	Okay, yep, yep.
	I'll text him that now.
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	Ah, yes.
	Cut four.
	That's the upcut 4 pillow at the top.
	I'm going to show you how to make a pillow.
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	I've got to play a cut for you because I want...
	I want people to understand, especially conservatives, that this isn't just something happening over there.
	This is a global phenomenon.
	We've seen the footage from New York.
	It looks like the West Bank, the protesters on Sunday night, on Monday.
	We've seen all the protests across the Ivy League campuses.
	But here is Patrisse Coulouras, who's the co-founder of Black Lives Matter, talking about Talking about Israel, back in 2015, and it should be a wake-up call to all Americans.
	Cut, fall, play, cut.
	The other thing I'll say is Palestine is our generation in South Africa.
	And if we don't step up boldly and courageously to end the imperialist project that's called Israel, we're doomed.
	And I think that I had learned about Palestine for a long time.
	I'd known about it, been wanting to travel, and I was really, really grateful when the Dream Defenders asked me to come on the delegation.
	But nothing would have prepared me for the level of militarization and the level of violence that we would witness those 10 days inside of Palestine.
	Nothing would have prepared me for the ways in which We witnessed people's terror.
	People live in terror on a daily basis.
	And nothing would have prepared me for how much clarity I would have on why we have to be a part of Palestinian solidarity.
	That's eight years ago.
	That's the founder, the co-founder of Black Lives Matter, talking about Israel as the problem, Israel as the colonizer.
	This isn't just a problem in a faraway land, is it, Ambassador?
	Yeah, I think one of the risks we on the political right run is we see foreign entanglements, we see, you know, kind of forever wars and adventures, and we're a little skeptical about this.
	We have a lot of issues to deal with.
	Our enemies don't see it this way.
	They see it as one struggle.
	Yes.
	They see Israel as an imperialist project.
	They see America as an imperialist project.
	They see Israel as a colonial settler state.
	They see America as a colonial settler state.
	You know, she mentioned South Africa.
	You know that.
	We have data.
	Some of the data that came out, there were people necklaced by Hamas.
	Remind people what necklacing is and where it came from.
	It came from South Africa.
	Because most decent people shouldn't know what necklacing is.
	That's right.
	It came from South Africa and it was something that the African National Congress did not to South African whites.
	They did it to blacks where they would hold people down forcibly.
	They would put a tire, a rubber tire filled with gasoline or some other flammable thing and set them on fire.
	They burned somebody to death with a tire filled with an accelerant.
	Yeah, they burned them alive.
	That's called... Necklacing.
	And where are we seeing it?
	We saw it with Hamas in the attack.
	So there is a connection.
	There is a South African connection, yes.
	This is a global ideology.
	I mean, the idea that a nation that was almost exterminated by the Nazis, that has less than 10 million people, is surrounded by a sea of Arab nations, some of them assisting terrorism, that they're the colonizers?
	This is insanity, Ambassador.
	Not just that.
	To give you an example, one of the kibbutzes that suffered a heavy loss, Kfar Azza, was settled by Jews from Morocco and Egypt.
	These are Middle Easterners.
	These are, by the way, people expelled from Arab countries.
	And we know the majority of the Jews of Israel are Eastern Jews.
	They are people with Middle Eastern roots.
	Just listen to what this man just said.
	The people being killed in the kibbutz were expelled from Arab nations, and then we're supposed to believe Patrisse Cullors that they're the colonizers.
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	We have burgeoning threats across the world, in Europe, in the Middle East, in Asia, but what about the domestic threat?
	What about a weaponized judiciary, Department of Justice and an FBI?
	We still, I can't believe I'm saying this, we still have political prisoners in America, people who are losing their civil liberties, Because of their political identity.
	Perhaps the most famous of all, of late, was known as the QAnon Shaman, and he has finally been freed, thanks maybe in part to some footage that was released, and we are delighted to be able to talk to him.
	Jacob Transley, welcome to America First.
	Thank you very much for having me.
	It's a pleasure to be here, Doctor.
	So tell us a little bit, before we get into your story, what happened to you, what you were doing on January the 6th, how you were, I think, mistreated by not only the federal government, but also by the person who was supposed to represent you.
	Will you tell us a little bit about yourself, who you are and your background?
	Sure.
	Well, I joined the Navy at 18, so I am a Navy veteran.
	I was given a general discharge under honorable conditions for refusing the anthrax vaccine.
	So I was refusing vaccines before it was cool and trendy.
	Shortly after getting out of the Navy... So this was long before COVID?
	Yeah, yeah, this was in 2007.
	Okay, and then what did you do with your life after the Navy?
	Oh, I held a number of odd jobs.
	You know, I was a Kirby salesman for a couple of months.
	I worked in a hardware store, worked at a head shop, and none of that was very fulfilling.
	So eventually I decided to work with troubled teen boys in group homes here in Arizona, and I did that for six and a half years.
	I also had my own business online, a spiritual consultant, regarding my shamanic beliefs and stuff like that.
	And I had my own YouTube channel, which was taken down on more than one occasion.
	And ever since, I've been doing things like writing books.
	I've also done things like, like I said, spiritual counseling and stuff like that.
	And I've been a spiritual...
	Let's jump then to January the 6th.
	What was your intention?
	Why were you dressed the way you were?
	And what did you do on that ominous day?
	Well, I've been dressing that way for over 10 years.
	I'm a spiritual activist, not a political one.
	So I've been dressing that way for over 10 years.
	The Mockingbird media saw no reason to give me any attention until January 6th when my attire, my shamanic regalia, fit their narrative and they used my image to create their shock and awe campaign and to use me as their straw man.
	My intentions going to January 6th were the same as they were on December 12th when I went to the second Mag-A-Million march to peacefully and non-violently make my voice heard, as well as it's important to note that Washington, D.C.
	is built on electromagnetic ley lines.
	The Capitol building, the Washington Monument, Lincoln Memorial, White House, Supreme Court, they're all like temples of sorts because they're all built on ley lines like the pyramids, obelisks, and ancient temples and medicine wheels.
	So, as a shamanic practitioner, I felt it was my duty to plug the highest possible frequencies of love, peace, and harmony into the electromagnetic grid while millions of people gathered on Washington, D.C.
	in the Capitol.
	Okay, I'm not into the ley lines and, you know, shamanic fields of peace or what have you, but tell us what actually transpired that day.
	Did you use violence against anybody?
	Did anybody use violence against you?
	Talk to us about what happened on January the 6th to you, Jake.
	Well, nobody used violence against me, and no, I was not violent against anybody else.
	In fact, I did everything I could, both before and after the riot, to keep the peace.
	I was telling people to stop yelling at the cops before the barriers were breached.
	The reason why I was being escorted around the building was because I offered to help the police clear the Senate chamber.
	And I also was telling people to go home, using my megaphone telling people to go home and trying to stop people from breaking into the building.
	And then what sentence did you receive for trying to help out that day?
	I received 41 months due to my pleading guilty to obstruction of an official procedure.
	And how did your lawyer serve you in that case, Mr. Transley?
	Well, I believe that Al Watkins' portrayal of me in the media and his, shall we say, representing me was abhorrent and atrocious because he in no way, shape or form relayed to the public who I actually was.
	He crafted a narrative that the Mockingbird media used to run with.
	And to make fools out of anyone and anyone that supported Donald Trump, which I don't agree with.
	He also said that I denounced you or that I felt duped by Trump.
	Both of those things I never said and never asked him to say on my behalf.
	I am not mentally ill.
	I am not a short bus rider.
	I do not have any sort of diagnosis regarding schizophrenia, depression, bipolar, or I'm definitely not delusional.
	Was he a public defender or was he a private attorney, this person who so badly served you?
	Oh, he was a private attorney, but he told me that he would do this pro bono, and he also told me he had 34 years of practicing law in the federal system as a defense attorney.
	He also represented that couple that came out of Minneapolis with their guns and stuff when the BLM riots happened.
	He told me he was a constitutionalist and a Trump supporter, and only after I got out of prison did I find out the truth that he's actually like a wolf in sheep's clothing.
	I mean, he supported Democrats, he was, you know, all over Mockingbird Media, CNN, MSNBC, and stuff like that, and he had been that way for years.
	We have to continue this discussion at another time.
	The fact is this man did nothing wrong on January 6th and received more than three years custodial sentence.
	It is the proof that we have a political prisoner cadre in America.
	Jake Angeli Chansley, thank you for your time.
	Follow him at AmericaShaman on social media.
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	I like to keep my promises.
	Sometimes it's hard because of the speed with which news works and I'm very grateful to my team.
	We're all back here and with this new cycle to keep on top of things.
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	You're doing an amazing job.
	I promise at the top of the show to tell you what you need to do.
	Much is being made of this Hamas threat tomorrow, Friday the 13th, to have attacks across the globe.
	Let me tell you, as somebody who worked in counter-terrorism for many years, terrorists very rarely tell you in advance they're going to attack you.
	Kind of defeats the purpose.
	Unless they just want to make you afraid and you fall for it.
	Don't get me wrong, something bad could happen tomorrow.
	And I know bad things will happen tomorrow in Israel.
	Because they're at war.
	But here's my advice to you.
	Get prepared.
	Don't be paranoid.
	But have a plan.
	It's not just about tomorrow.
	It's about 16 million illegals across the border in two and a half years.
	It's about living in Democrat strongholds where the authorities, the mayor, the prosecutors are on the side of the criminals, the violent criminals.
	It's about all of those things.
	It's about jihadis in America.
	It's about sleeper cells that exist.
	Read the unclassified JTTF, Joint Terrorism Task Force fusion cell report.
	From Richmond a few years ago.
	It says, yes, there are Hamas and Hezbollah sleeper cells in America.
	So all of these things combined mean that you as an adult, as a patriot, should be prepared.
	What does that mean?
	Just some simple things.
	Have some money available.
	Most Americans couldn't afford a $500 unforeseen expense.
	That shouldn't be you.
	Have some cash at home.
	You don't need gold bars, but have some money.
	Small denominations as well as large.
	Have an alternate power source.
	If you don't live in a house where you can have a small generator, even one of those small portable ones, if you live in an apartment, just get some, I don't know, backup batteries so at least you can keep your phone charged.
	Please, it's important.
	Medicines.
	If you take medicines, whatever it is, make sure you have enough for a few weeks.
	If you wear glasses to function, If you wear contacts, make sure you have extra pairs.
	And you have some in your vehicle.
	Some people have a bug-out bag.
	Not a bad idea.
	And then communications.
	Cell phones are great.
	But in an emergency like 9-11, they don't work.
	The towers are flooded.
	Satellite phones have come down in price to a few hundred dollars.
	I want to have several for my family.
	You should have at least one.
	And then lastly, get a gun.
	If you live in a area where you can get licensed to carry it, do it!
	And get training and train your family because you are on the front line of this war.
	Look at the video from the kibbutzes.
	Look at what happened to those children, those families.
	Get prepared and defend your family.
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	And what we said is we want to depressurize, de-escalate, and ultimately integrate the Middle East region.
	The war in Yemen is in.
	It's 19 months of truce.
	For now, the Iranian attacks against U.S.
	forces have stopped.
	Our presence in Iraq is stable.
	I emphasize for now because all of that can change.
	And the Middle East region is quieter today than it has been in two decades.
	That man, shockingly, bears the title of National Security Advisor of the United States.
	His name is Jake Sullivan and just recently he said the Middle East is at peace and is stable.
	I think that speaks for itself.
	How are we where we are today?
	What does the near-term future hold for the region and for the safety of America and her allies and partners like Israel?
	Let's resort to, um, there's a phrase in the special operations community of quiet professionals.
	And it also applies to people who may shine the limelight, but who really know their stuff.
	And our guest, one-on-one today, is one of those quiet professionals I consider him a friend and have done for years.
	Senior Vice President of the American Foreign Policy Council, Ilan Berman.
	Welcome to One on One.
	Thank you, thank you.
	I have so many questions to ask you.
	Everybody needs to check out your book if you want to understand the genesis of where we are today.
	He is the editor of War of Ideas, Theology, Interpretation and Power in the Muslim World.
	But let's just start with that cut.
	This is the man who outranks the Secretary of Defense, outranks the Secretary of the State.
	He is the advisor to the Commander-in-Chief on national security issues.
	And he said, yeah, pretty much hunky-dory.
	Your reaction to that analysis from the current administration about the Middle East?
	Well, quite honestly, very par for the course.
	The administration has tended to look at the Middle East very much like the Obama administration did in its day, through rose-tinted glasses, because their priorities are elsewhere.
	Their priorities are in the domestic arena on things like climate change, in the foreign policy arena on things like great power competition.
	And it's hard to focus on those things when you have regions of the world under your purview that are on fire.
	I think the Biden administration is really not an impartial stakeholder here.
	They're very much interested in painting a rosy picture.
	The problem is, that picture holds until it doesn't, as we saw over the last several days.
	Some have said of late, my colleagues, my friends, Dan Bongino, Mark Levin and others have said, this is more than...
	roast-tinted spectacles or this you know kumbaya globalism we can get along and negotiate with the likes of the mullahs in iran or you know the kremlin and so forth that this is something more nefarious something darker than that and when it comes to world views if you don't like america if if you see if you're an american who sees america as a a neo-colonialist force You're basically in bed with those who hate America anyway.
	And you look at the $6 billion, the $10 million here, the $6 million there.
	You look at the revivified attempts to resuscitate the JCPOA Iran deal of Obama's years.
	Could it be that it's something more than just a naive look at the world?
	Could there be, you know, an actual proto-alliance of sorts between the quote-unquote political elite in America and those who hate America elsewhere?
	Well, look, I think it's, at the very least, it's a shared worldview.
	There is a worldview that says that the United States should apologize for its international presence.
	The United States has a lot to be ashamed of with regard to its international alliances, and this is precisely the type of thinking that empowers what the Biden administration is doing, this
	reconception of U.S. national security.
	And, remember, personnel is policy. So, the people that we're talking about, Jake Sullivan,
	the secretary of state, Antony Blinken, until recently, the deputy secretary of state,
	Wendy Sherman, Rob Malley, the infamous special envoy for Iran, who is now under FBI investigation,
	all of these people were present at the first attempted reset.
	And this was back in 2014, 2015, when the Obama administration attempted to reconfigure the way America thinks about the Middle East, flip our traditional alliances on their head, and empower Iran under the assumption that we could trade our way into making Iran a better regional actor.
	And this was an extremist naivete.
	It could have very well been something more nefarious, but it's also something that has remarkably long legs
	because personnel is policy.
	And these same people are in office now and they're pursuing policy.
	You can't expect them, because of the nature of what they're doing,
	to say, I was totally wrong half a decade ago, we need to change everything, right?
	It's much more continuity than change.
	Yeah, yeah, it's very hard for anyone to admit their worldview
	is utterly incorrect, as is the worldview of those making decisions
	in the White House, in the Department of State, and the Defense Department.
	We're talking to Ilhan Berman, Senior Vice President of the American Foreign Policy Council, following at Ilhan Berman and AFPC.org.
	Would you put into context what we've witnessed in the last few days?
	Because there are those who have said, including the Prime Minister, That nothing like this has happened to Jews or to Israel since the end of World War II or since the re-creation, the re-establishment of Israel in 1948.
	Can you put the violence, the events of the last six days into the correct historic context for us, Ilan?
	No, absolutely.
	And what we're seeing is, I think, very accurately—and there have been lots of tropes, certainly, circulating around social media that call this Israel's 9-11.
	I think that's not quite accurate.
	There have been memes that have called it Israel's Pearl Harbor.
	I think that's not quite accurate either.
	It's some combination thereof, because what we're looking at, proportionally, the death toll is now above 1200 people, and it's continuing to rise.
	In a country which is, by comparison to America tiny, we're talking about 9 million people, vice 330 million.
	Exactly right.
	Exactly right.
	And in that context, what we're looking at proportional to the US population, it is a terrorist, a series of terrorist attacks that would have proportionally killed upwards of 35,000 Americans.
	Yeah.
	And so if you think about the gravity, the severity of the American response to September 11, where we had 3,000 of our citizens killed, you can only imagine the order of magnitude of the tragedy that's befallen Israel.
	It's also not like Pearl Harbor, because Pearl Harbor, it was a day that will live in infamy.
	It was a surprise attack, but it was directed towards military targets.
	In this context, what these tragedies, these atrocities have laid bare is the Islamist
	worldview, because, remember, Islamism—and Hamas is an Islamist organization—is antithetical
	to democracy, because they believe that in democracies, every citizen has a say in national
	And therefore, every citizen is a combatant.
	There's nobody who's outside of the scope of the conflict.
	So that makes the elderly fair game.
	That makes children who may grow up to be soldiers fair game.
	And it is their way of justifying the types of depravity that we've seen.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And your theory to why something of this magnitude, equivalent to 30,000 Americans being killed, occurred without adequate knowledge or preparation from the IDF?
	Reports recently that there was some kind of high cyber attack of the border system.
	I know it'll take years to get the answers as it did in the case of 9-11, but do we have any credible initial suppositions as to how this was successful?
	Right.
	Well, I think there's at least three reasons.
	One is, all politics are local, and Israel for the majority of the last year has been locked in this very acrimonious internal political debate over judicial reform.
	And I've I've been to Israel twice this year so far, and I can tell you that there was a real attrition of awareness and focus on international affairs, right?
	The Israeli partisans on the left and on the right, this was the most divided you've ever seen the country in its 75-year existence.
	And so there was very clearly an attrition of strategic vision.
	And the government was very much focused on domestic affairs.
	The second is, this was a multi-domain intelligence failure.
	And I think most of your listeners, most of your viewers don't know this, but in Israel, the Israeli Mossad, the external intelligence agency of the state of Israel, is not an analog to the CIA.
	Because the CIA is one of a series of intelligence agencies that fall under the rubric of the
	Office of the Director of National Intelligence here in the United States.
	But in Israel, it operates pretty much autonomously.
	The Israeli intelligence minister doesn't actually have authority over Mossad.
	Mossad is a pretty independent, very powerful, pretty independent agency.
	But Mossad's ambit, its writ, is far off threats, threats like the Islamic Republic of Iran.
	The purview of the Palestinian arena, which is very close to Israeli territory, is that of the Shin Bet, the internal security agency.
	And as a result, what you saw was a multi-domain failure.
	Not only did Shin Bet fail in having awareness of what's happening in the Palestinian territories, but the Mossad failed in making the connection between Iran, which is a deep, longstanding state sponsor of terrorism and of Hamas specifically, and the type of aid that Iran was providing to Hamas to enable these sort of atrocities.
	And the third thing is that Israel has been almost euphoric over the last two, two and a half years about the progress it has made in the Arab world, the normalization deals brokered by President Trump in late 2000, and what Israel has managed to do to build upon those since then.
	The problem is that that sort of progress sometimes leads people to forget that that may not be exactly how the region is.
	That may not be the natural state of the region.
	And so there was a sense in Israel that everything was coming up roses and there was less likelihood of conflict.
	So I think on all of these fronts, I think there was the recipe for strategic surprise.
	We're talking to Ellen Berman, Senior Vice President of the American Foreign Policy Council.
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	Right, we've analysed why it happened in terms of it wasn't prevented.
	Let's look at the actors involved.
	For those who have no idea of the proxy actors and their connection to Iran, would you explain who Hamas is?
	Sure.
	Well, there's a lot to unpack there, so let me see if I can explain.
	barbaric attacks, why they're different from Hezbollah, and what the connection is to the
	greatest state sponsor of terrorism, which remains the Islamic Republic of Iran.
	Sure.
	Well, there's a lot to unpack there.
	So let me see if I can explain.
	Hamas is, on a very basic level, it is the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood.
	The Muslim Brotherhood is an Islamist organization founded in Egypt early last century, dedicated
	towards the remaking of first Egypt and then the broader world into a just—what they
	would call a just Islamic state.
	So in.
	And in terms of what we need to understand is that the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas itself,
	they are Sunni.
	They are of the Sunni sect in Islam.
	Iran is Shiite.
	And so, on paper at least, and the conventional wisdom has long been that the Sunnis and the
	Shiites don't cooperate.
	But in truth, what we've seen—and we have very extensive documentation—is that Iran is very pragmatic in its support of regional proxies that could further its strategic objectives.
	Iran sees Israel as one of its main enemies.
	We are, of course, its greatest enemy, the great Satan.
	But Israel is the little Satan.
	And Iran is willing to bankroll, to subsidize proxy groups like Hamas, even if they don't
	belong to the same sect of Islam, in furtherance of that common objective of the war against
	Israel.
	So, that, in and of itself, that bleeding over of the arenas, the sort of the surpassing
	of the sectarian element of Muslim politics, is very, very important, because on paper
	what's happening looks like it's just an Israeli-Palestinian conflict and confrontation.
	But it's much more than that.
	It's also an attempt by Iran to reshape the contours of Israeli security, to diminish,
	to lessen, to wound, perhaps mortally, one of America's most steadfast allies.
	And it's doing it using proxies that one wouldn't think that it would have access to.
	Thank you.
	And what can we posit as the end state?
	If you go in and you murder babies, concert goers, video yourself pulling women out of cars who have been raped before you murder them, normal people expect Netanyahu and the IDF to just Are we dealing with irrational actors?
	Or are they wanting Israel to come in like the hammers of hell with lots of collateral damage that can be used for propaganda purposes?
	Or are these just non-rational actors?
	No, they're not non-rational actors, right?
	They're very rational actors.
	But they proceed along the logic of rationality that doesn't seem very rational at all to you and me.
	I already talked about the fact that in the Islamist conception, Every Israeli, whether he or she is two years old or 82 years old, is a combatant, because Israel has a conscript army, Israel is a participatory democracy, and therefore every single Israeli, in the Islamist conception, is culpable for the choices of its government.
	Right?
	That's not the way the West fights wars, right?
	In the West, we have very, very clear rules about who is outside of the scope of combat, who should be designated as a legitimate combatant and who shouldn't be.
	That's not how Islamists operate.
	And what they were trying to do here is to really sort of show the vulnerability of Israel, right?
	I mean, look, there are ideological objectives that Hamas was trying to achieve, and there are geopolitical objectives that they were trying to achieve.
	Geopolitically, they and their paymasters in Iran were very interested in arresting the speed of Israel's normalization with other countries in the Arab world.
	Israel has made enormous strides normalizing relations and expanding economic and political relations.
	with a host of countries over the last three years as a result of the Abraham Accords,
	and there were more that were on deck.
	Saudi Arabia, Saudi-Israeli normalization was the next prize that Prime Minister Netanyahu
	was in reach of.
	And so this was, I see this as very clearly an attempt to interrupt, to short-circuit
	that process.
	And at least for now, it seems to have worked.
	The Saudis have halted, at least temporarily, have halted any normalization talks pending how Israel responds to the campaign.
	So geopolitically, this is a success, but also much more importantly, ideologically, Hamas was set out to pierce the aura of invincibility around the state of Israel.
	Israel has a very well-deserved reputation for being, you know, top of the heap in terms of its intelligence capabilities, in terms of its military capabilities.
	That aura of invincibility has been punctured, perhaps fatally, as a result of what we've seen.
	And the damage from that is going to spin out over years and years and years.
	And, of course, the normalization of Israel's diplomatic relations in the region is a function of what we managed to do in the Trump administration with the Abraham Accords.
	So it makes sense that Hamas spokesmen are stating we've been planning this for two years.
	Well, yes, exactly.
	That's when we left office.
	So they've been planning this for two years under the feckless leadership vacuum that is, of course, the Biden administration.
	We're talking to the Senior Vice President of the American Foreign Policy Council.
	He's a doctor of law, Ilhan Berman, AFPC.org.
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	All right, you mentioned this name just in passing at the beginning of our discussion.
	Can you unpack the It's like a Tom Clancy novel, but one that goes too far, and you say, no, that's risible, that couldn't happen in real life.
	Can you talk to us about Iranian penetration of the Obama and Biden administrations?
	The fact that we have this Iranian-born activist as the Chief of Staff for the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Special Operations, and that the FBI is now investigating Rob Malley, who was the chief negotiator for the Obama administration, With Iran.
	Can you just give us some more details on how this happens in America, Ilan?
	No, no.
	You did a very good job of summarizing the absurdity of the situation, but that's precisely where we are.
	And I'm sure your listeners, your viewers have heard or may have heard the term Iran lobby.
	in reference to groups that are supportive of normalization with Iran,
	in reference to groups that are supportive of the 2015 nuclear deal known as the JCPOA.
	But the problem is actually much more, and much deeper and much more insidious
	than just an Iran lobby.
	What you're actually talking about is a series of circles of influence, whether it's in academia,
	circles of influence, whether it's in academia, where in places like Princeton University
	where in places like Princeton University, you have former high-ranking Iranian officials
	you have former high-ranking Iranian officials that are now teaching Middle East politics,
	that are now teaching Middle East politics, or whether it's in the government,
	or whether it's in the government, like the current chief of staff of the assistant secretary
	of defense for special operations in low-intensity conflict, who it has been revealed as a result
	of e-mails, as a result of these twin exposés that were put out by the news organization
	Semaphore and Iran International, which is an Iranian opposition television channel,
	last month, they uncovered thousands of e-mails which suggested that this person, as well
	as others, very organically connected to Rob Mallet, the special envoy for Iran, did things
	like coordinate with their Iranian counterparts, link to the IRGC, the Iranian clerical army,
	when they did speaking engagements, when they would argue their talking points, when they
	would do briefings in front of Congress.
	This is a level of penetration that's really unprecedented.
	And this is why congressional Republicans are pushing for a thorough investigation of
	Mr. Mallet.
	That's on top of the FBI investigation that is now active, when the FBI is looking into
	Rob Mallet's improper handling of classified documents, because there's a very strong suspicion
	that the Iranian side, our adversaries, and our negotiating opposites received access
	to classified documents improperly as a result of his mediation.
	And of course, these are only the subversive elements that we know of, correct?
	Thanks.
	Correct, correct.
	And it's, I think, all the more striking because if you did a thought exercise and you thought about whether it was plausible or conceivable that in some place like Iran, you would have this level of penetration or some place like China, you would have this level of penetration, the answer would be absolutely not.
	We take a hard look at our vetting procedures, at what these people are doing.
	These, as you pointed out, these investigations have sort of laid bare a very unseemly truth,
	but it's probably just the tip of the iceberg.
	Yeah.
	As former counterintelligence officer Chris Farrell has said on this show more than once,
	spent years in the US Army.
	Army counterintelligence catching spies, now chief investigator and head of research for Judicial Watch, he says We, as a nation, simply don't do counterintelligence anymore.
	And that has been proven every single day with these revelations.
	He is the Senior Vice President of the American Foreign Policy Council.
	Their website is AFPC.org.
	He is the author of the book, War of Ideas, the editor of the book, Theology, Interpretation, and Power in the Muslim World.
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	We were struck Saturday by an attack whose savagery I can say we have not seen since
	the Holocaust.
	I mean, we had hundreds massacred, families wiped out in their beds and their homes, women brutally raped and murdered, over a hundred kidnapped, including children.
	They're even worse than ISIS!
	They're even worse than ISIS.
	That is, of course, the Prime Minister of Israel, Bibi Netanyahu.
	I have friends whose children have deployed from America, dual nationals, who are now serving in the IDF.
	As we speak, we keep every single one of them in our prayers and hope they are able to rescue all the hostages that are still alive and to bring the wrath of God down onto those who have attacked Israel.
	What is your sense, Elan, you're one of the keenest observers of the region.
	You've been to Israel just twice already this year alone.
	I've always said Israel will do whatever Israel has to do to protect itself, and I know that.
	But the clock is ticking.
	We're just, you know, six days into this.
	The left here, the establishment, the media has already started to swing over to the Palestinian cause, to, you know, attacking Israel as they usually did, despite the carnage meted out on women and children and babies.
	Does this current administration, given what you noted, the months and months of discord over the Supreme Court arguments, the demonstrations, the strikes, will they come together as one and will they finish this task in the fashion it needs to be finished?
	Do you have faith at this time they can actually secure security for theirselves?
	No, no, I do.
	And there's—look, I think it's very clear that the Israel of October 6th is totally different than the Israel of October 7th and the Israel of today.
	What you've seen from the start of the Hamas campaign, within 48 hours, Israel managed from a cold start to mobilize 300,000 soldiers. They had over 100 percent of
	reservists reporting for duty.
	And over 100 percent means that people who had already aged out of the reserves,
	were not expected to report, showed up anyway. This is a mass outpouring of national unity.
	Now, whether that continues over time remains to be seen, right? In very many ways,
	this is a situation akin to what we saw in Israel in the Yom Kippur War in 1973. At that time,
	the prime minister was—the critics would say was slower than she should have been
	in taking in the gravity of the amassed Arab armies against the Jewish state.
	But when she did, finally, the country came together, the military persevered.
	But after that, there was a commission of national inquiry, and Meir's government fell.
	And my sense is, this is what's coming down the pike in terms of Israeli politics.
	There's unity now, but there's going to be a reckoning later.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	At AFPC for years now, I've been involved with some of your events in a past life when my specialty was Jihadi ideology.
	You've been mapping Jihadist ideology and Jihadist movements around the world.
	I want to show you some images from Twitter of the last two days.
	This is BLM that are using the paraglider imagery that was used by Hamas to Kill Israelis to celebrate Palestine and other statements that they also posted in full solidarity with the killers.
	Then we have the shocking footage from the streets of New York on Monday.
	The pro-Palestinian demonstrations, a Muslim woman holding up a swastika, massive banners with the phrase globalize the Intifada.
	Can you talk to us about the fact that some conservatives, Ilan, some patriots, think this is a problem over there, this is something, you know, 9,000 miles away, and don't comprehend that 9-11, the Pulse nightclub bombing, Boston Pulse nightclub attack, the Boston bombing, What's happening in Israel are all interconnected.
	And if you're Hamas, if you're Hezbollah, if you're Al-Qaeda, if you're ISIS, 8 million illegals coming across the border is something you would exploit.
	Help those patriots understand.
	No, no, I think that's right.
	And look, I completely understand that there's a temptation to assume that this is a distant problem.
	This is a problem that's affecting only foreign countries or countries in the Middle East, right?
	This is a tumultuous region.
	Even by that standard, I think we should be concerned because America has deep relationships with erstwhile allies, including countries like Israel, that are
	afflicted by this.
	And so we — there's no scenario in which we're not affected by this.
	But what you point out is exactly right. The insidiousness of the ideology is its conflation
	with liberal, far-left concepts.
	that are resonating in our society that have contributed to the radicalization, right?
	You see student groups at universities like Harvard, you see rallies in New York, you see protests in Chicago,
	and it's not just in the United States.
	This is a very dangerous trend.
	It's a trend that requires vigilance, and it's a trend that requires a resolute response.
	And what I think is necessary to point out is that the way the Islamists have managed to hijack
	the idea of Palestinian statehood is really remarkable to me,
	because any observer, any impartial observer would look at the atrocities that have happened
	over the past week.
	Yeah.
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	made the idea of a Palestinian state for the foreseeable future, completely unworkable.
	But nobody's talking about this. And nobody's talking about this, because we've had this
	really unseemly conflation of leftist ideology, and Jew hatred, and Islamism.
	Yeah, it's such an important point that even if you're well meaning and you sympathize with,
	you know, Palestinian refugees and what have you, this organization that you have quote unquote
	solidarity with, whether you're the students at Stanford with their
	Banners out the window, whether you're the protesters on the streets of New York, you've guaranteed that that will never happen because what Hamas has created is the antithesis to any kind of autonomy for the Palestinian people, which in and of itself is ...is a non-sequitur.
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	God willing, if conservatives do what has to be done and we get a true leader like President Trump back in the White House, what has to happen on January the 21st, 2025?
	You know, we'll make sure the JCPOA Iran deal is dead.
	We'll revivify all the sanctions we had that almost put Iran on its knees.
	But given what's happened in the Middle East right now, what else needs to be done from the White House?
	Right.
	Well, the Iran issue is obviously front and center, and it's not just about the JCPOA, right?
	Because fundamentally, the reason we're worried about an Iranian bomb is not about nuclear technology.
	Nuclear technology is increasingly ubiquitous around the world.
	We're worried about it because of the regime that will have its finger on the trigger.
	So, our Iran policy has to change.
	It has to change to accept and empower the legitimate aspirations of the Iranian people, right?
	Iran is the ultimate pre-revolutionary state.
	You see protests that have been taking place in Iran calling for fundamental change for years, right?
	The current round of protests is over a year old.
	Unfortunately, the regime does not look like it's going to fall imminently, but some sort of Rubicon has been crossed.
	And a generation from now, Iran is going to look very different, irrespective of what
	we do.
	So, the smart play has always been to bet on the Iranian street.
	And we need to start doing that in a much broader fashion, a much more serious fashion.
	That's the first thing.
	The second thing is that we have to understand that these terrible terrorist attacks that
	happened on October 7 were incubated in an ecosystem.
	Hamas isn't just in the Gaza Strip.
	Hamas has leadership.
	Its political leadership is in places like Doha, Qatar, and Istanbul, Turkey.
	And so, what you have is, you have an unfortunate situation, which is precisely what existed before September 11th, where we assumed that these sort of deformities were just the price of doing business in the Middle East.
	We were jolted out of that apathy by the attacks of September 11th.
	And we've had an opportunity now, again, tragically, to understand that actually less has changed than we thought.
	And we have to really give scrutiny to the fact that we have countries that we count as our major non-NATO allies, as our friends, that are actually working at cross-purposes with us.
	We've been talking to the Senior Vice President of the American Foreign Policy Council.
	Follow him at ilanburman and afpc.org.
	Thank you, Alain.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	You've been listening to America First one-on-one.

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