Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Matt Gaetz explains all!
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So, I'm gonna go ahead and do that.
I'm gonna go ahead and do that.
What happened yesterday was a good thing.
In fact, it was a very good thing.
To all my colleagues, friends, former colleagues and erstwhile friends, who say they love America and call themselves conservatives, Who are attacking Matt Gaetz or the eight congressmen and women who voted to remove Kevin McCarthy?
And who are saying that this is chaos, a disaster, and will lose us the next election?
You're wrong.
You're very wrong.
A couple of you I respect.
But even you are wrong.
And you know who you are.
As of this show, it seems as if Jim Jordan will be putting his hat in the ring, and also Steve Scalise, which means by maybe Wednesday night next week, we will have an avowed Conservative in the Speaker's chair.
There is no comparison.
I'm sorry whatever you may think of Kevin McCarthy.
There is no comparison to the likes of Jim Jordan or Steve Scalise.
None.
Zero.
I'm sorry.
So we get an actual conservative out of it?
How can you be against that?
That's very strange.
Unless you have some ulterior motive.
Unless you were an advisor to Kevin McCarthy.
Again.
You know who you are.
Beyond that, what is the alternative reality that these so-called experts and putative conservatives are proposing?
Business as usual?
More continuing resolutions?
More funding for Ukraine?
Another six million illegals across the border?
More inflation?
More conservatives targeted because they're what?
Catholics?
Or because they don't want their children groomed sexually in school?
Are you arguing for more of that?
Because guess what?
None of that was stopped in the last eight months by Kevin McCarthy.
None of it.
I don't even have time in three hours to list all the promises that were broken.
And now he's bitching and moaning about a rule that allowed one person to propose a vacation of the chair.
Well, dude, you agreed to it.
So tough noogies!
It's bigger than you, Kevin!
We'll be talking to two of the people who made yesterday possible.
One of them called Matt Gates, and the other one, Andy Biggs.
But in the meantime, just listen to Matt from six, seven months ago.
Kind of nail it.
He believed that Washington was broken.
The normal system of selecting leadership in both parties is based on the redistribution of lobbyists and special interest money.
If you want to be the leader of your party, you basically have to raise and redistribute North of $100 million.
And Kevin McCarthy was so good at that, he raised and distributed about half a billion dollars over the course of the last election cycle.
And so it creates a covenant that's not really built on trust or merit or vision, but trading money for political support.
And we wanted to send a shock to that D.C.
cartel system and to say, no, guess what?
There's going to have to be a different way you get there.
Enough of the trading money for influence.
My wife and I were friends with a freshman congresswoman.
She's not in Congress anymore.
She enlightened us to the reality of what it means to work on Capitol Hill.
And she's a citizen, not a politician.
And she told me that She hadn't moved into her offices.
Oh, by the way, Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer have been kicked out of their offices, which Kevin McCarthy allowed them to keep.
Why do Steny Hoyer and Nancy Pelosi have special offices in the Capitol, Kevin?
So glad that your pro tem replacement has kicked them out of those offices, no matter what the reason is.
They shouldn't have any special treatment unless you're in bed with them, Kevin.
Going back to my friend, she told me that she had won her election and she hadn't moved into her offices, her modest freshman offices.
Before, somebody called Boehner.
Do you remember him?
Do you remember John Boehner?
Had told her what her fundraising goals were.
That by the end of the month, she better have raised $100,000 for the RNC.
Excuse me?
What?
And she said, I haven't even moved in to my offices.
I don't have furniture in my offices.
And I'm here to represent my constituents who elected me.
But the first thing, the first thing the GOP leadership is demanding of me is to hit some fundraising goal for the party.
Now don't get me wrong.
Yeah, I get it.
Politics needs money.
But why are we here?
What's the point?
What's the point of 2016?
2016 was not a shot across the bow, it was a fusillade.
It was a bombardment across the bow.
No more business as usual.
Basta!
Stop!
We've had it!
How is it that 64 Americans, 64 million Americans, for the first time in our history elected somebody who wasn't a member of the political elite in Washington D.C.?
For the first time ever!
Because they had had it!
From the Tea Partiers to former working-class Democrats in the Steel Valley, they said, No!
They're destroying America!
The GOP, the RINOs, the Democrats, the crazies like the Squad.
We've had it with the political permanent class.
So yeah, we're gonna elect this funky guy from Manhattan who's actually from Queens and is a TV reality star and a billionaire self-made entrepreneur.
Because maybe he can fix it.
Or maybe he's our last chance to save America.
If you think yesterday was a problem, you are the problem.
Anyone, anyone who says they're a conservative and describes yesterday with the word chaos, you just file them in the swamp file.
Because they have shown you who they are.
Because all they care about is business as usual.
Don't rock the boat.
Allow us to keep on doing what we do.
Footsie under the table with the Democrats.
We want to get those lucrative lobbying jobs after we retire.
We want to be advising the GOP leadership behind the scenes whilst we're hosting a radio show.
They're the problem.
America has had enough.
And maybe this time next week, we'll actually have a real conservative.
I'm happy.
You should be too.
We have an amazing third guest, third hour guest today, Carl Benjamin of the Lotus Eaters.
Superb analysis of what the conservative movement has to do.
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Packet for Alex's book?
Jeff?
Oh, he says yeah.
His hair's funny.
Yeah.
He looks like one of those, what is that, that toy soldier movie?
Oh.
He looks like one of those toy soldiers.
Nicely done there, not naming names.
People in chat are naming names for what it's worth.
Oh yeah?
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
One in particular.
Uh huh.
Breaking Biden.
Yep.
Right, so, um, for Sargon... Yes.
Um... God bless Matt Gaetz and the men with chests.
And put men with chests, capital M, capital C, and put it in quote marks.
Yep.
And monologue.
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Hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm I like what Stoobie's saying right now
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Mono.
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Why Gates was right Yep.
Why Matt Gates and Andy Eight.
Andy Eight.
Andy Eight are right.
Alright, one mic's off, he's on.
Uh, mic's off is fine.
Mic's off.
I'm going to go ahead and start the video.
I'm going to start the video.
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He's just come off a hagiographic puff piece interview with my buddy, my rabbi, Dennis Prager.
Now we're going to do the real deal.
No puff pieces here, just a real interview.
He's employee number one of the conservative juggernaut that is today BrightBart.com.
My former colleague, or was he my boss?
He may have been.
He is the editor-in-chief of Breitbart.com.
Alex Marlow, welcome back to America First.
Dr. G, I'm so happy to be here.
It is pretty funny to be on with Dennis, who is your friend and mine.
And Dennis is so complimentary.
I love it so much.
And then it dawns on me, wait a minute, he's been so influential on me, he's almost complimenting himself.
It's like saying your son, you know, my son is so amazing.
Yeah, well, he's my son.
I mean, yeah, yeah.
Well, you know, we respect Dennis and Dennis has been a great influence on so many patriots.
But let's talk about why you are on Dennis's show.
Your brand new book from, shockingly, Simon & Schuster, out just yesterday, is Breaking Biden.
Exposing the hidden forces and secret money machine behind Joe Biden, his family, and his administration.
This is a project you kept hush-hush for very, very long.
You were telling me, oh, I'm working on something.
I hope to talk about it.
I'm working on something very big.
Well, now we can.
The book is out.
Everybody needs to order it.
But let's start at the beginning, which is a good place to start.
Isn't this just a tale of an American family Doing what Americans do, which is to make money, Alex.
Yeah, it kind of is, in a way.
The only problem is, is the product that they're selling is the American people, the American brand, the American government.
And that's how they made all their money in virtually every instance.
You look at the history, going back to Joe Biden's father and even before, the family was just terrible at business.
Joe himself was terrible in business.
His brothers were terrible in business.
Joe's dad was a famously failed businessman who ended up being embarrassed by some of the careers he had to take on
after he had just for a minute had flown close to the sun with some success.
and that all blew up.
He was back to square one and so was Joe.
They're terrible at business, but they figured out a hack, a secret, that if you sell the American government and if you sell legislation and you are using the taxpayer funds to back up your promises, Then all of a sudden you can make some money.
And as they got older, as they moved up in the world, then they got more sophisticated in terms of how they were able to hide that.
And you can see it right when Hunter got out of law school and he got into the lobbying world.
Dr. G, you know that lobbyists have unbelievable amounts of disclosures they have to make.
They have to be held to a pretty Well, that wasn't for Hunter.
Hunter doesn't like that stuff.
So he got out of there quick and found places where he could do similar things where he's trading favors, he's horse trading, but he's doing it in places where there's no disclosures.
That's in the consultant business and ultimately that's in the foreign investment vehicle business, which is really where they ended up finding their sweet spot.
And you see the Biden family cutting deals not just in China, not just in Ukraine, but with Kazakhstan, with Costa Rica, with Jamaica, with Iraq.
All of these places, Biden family is making money and it is unknown exactly how much they're raking in.
All right, so here's the obvious question that you must be in a position to answer because you've even got it on your promotional material, this quote from Barack Obama.
Don't underestimate Joe's ability to F things up.
That's from a reliable source, Obama's former Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates.
Here's the obvious question.
Joe Biden strikes me as as thick as a uh stump his son likewise stupid why would you hire stupid people to represent you
If you have the reputation... I mean there's a Robert... I can't play it because it's so foul-mouthed.
There's a Robin Williams skit from 20 years ago where he's joking about Joe Biden who literally can't speak English and that's 20 years ago.
So how did people who are so mentally challenged able to grift so well, Alex, is the question.
Yeah, and it is the right question to ask, Dr. G. And I will tell you that one of the things that was chilling was when I started to piece together the pieces of Joe Biden's life and his career and his family, was when it started to dawn on me.
That he's been saying these insane things that we hear him say, and many of them are quoted in the book for the audience's delight.
People will enjoy reliving some of the worst moments, some of the biggest gaps.
All that stuff's in there.
A lot of it's for fun, but you will enjoy going through some of them.
When Adonda means that he's been doing this stuff since the early 70s, he's been saying insane things, it actually is a refutation to the point that so many people in your world and mine make that he is rapidly deteriorating mentally, that he is some incompetent boob, he's a buffoon, his kids are stupid.
No, I think the exact opposite.
I think that he's kind of pulled a fast one on us, And that he does misspeak, he does look lost, but he's always been that way.
And he still managed to accumulate lots and lots of power.
You know, Donald Trump had pointed out very early in the campaign, I know this was a private conversation that he had, but he was concerned that Joe Biden was actually going to be a pretty formidable opponent.
And Trump's instincts on this were completely correct, as it turned out.
And that's the trick with the Biden family.
Hunter, of course he's a crackhead.
Of course he's irresponsible.
Of course he's a bad guy.
All that stuff.
But when Joe calls him the smartest guy that he knows, Joe is not joking.
Joe is dead serious.
And if you look at some of the sophistication in terms of some of the grifts that they were able to pull off, I think it's hard to disagree once you go through the evidence.
So what are we saying?
Are we saying he's smart and hiding it?
Or he's always been weird and a bumbler and people still pay him?
Yeah, so I think that he is smart.
He's got a fastball and I think that he has moments where he is lost, he's absent-minded.
But I've been lucky enough, Dr. G, in my life to meet lots of really, really smart people and work for them and study under them.
And sometimes there's a level of where someone can be bright most of the time and seem like the biggest idiot you've ever met some of the time.
I think Joe fits that quite a bit and I think there's a chance that Hunter does as well, though I don't know Hunter is admittedly as well as Joe.
But I think we've underestimated his ability to have that fastball.
We're talking to the author of Breaking Biden, Alex Marlow.
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We'll be back with Alex after these messages.
All right, so What's the most important thing I
I see these things about why Kamala Harris, Joe and Russia.
What would you like to tease now?
Hey man, you're dealing with a real pro here.
Where do you want to take it?
Do you want to talk about Afghanistan?
Do you want to talk about Ukraine?
Do you want to talk about China?
What's the thing?
Like a publisher always says, what's different about this book?
So what's going to surprise listeners and viewers?
I think what's going to surprise them is how so often Joe goes it alone and he's not just puppeteered.
That he's someone who is actually setting the agenda.
Good, good, good.
And I can cite examples there, national security examples are clearer and I would love to get you to chime in on those.
Afghanistan and Ukraine are perfect examples of that.
Will you play cut 12 and cut 13 and cut 14?
Now even though the media's already moved on, surely an absurd event like this is ripe for the picking from comedy shows, right?
You'd think the network late-night talk shows that returned last night might have something to say about a Democrat congressman committing a federal crime on camera in the Capitol?
Nope.
It was mostly Trump jokes, and of course, with a few Lauren Boebert jokes thrown in.
Yes, it was material ripped from the headlines, if the headlines were from two weeks ago.
Here's 13.
If a member of Congress is not safe on the streets of the nation's capital, who is?
Look, we're grateful and relieved that the congressman is unharmed.
We understand what communities are going through across the country, not just in D.C.
That's why the president took action very early on in his administration to get the American Rescue Plan done without the help of
Republicans. That's why every time he puts forward his budget, he makes sure there are billions
of dollars to deal with crime.
That's just a fact. All you got to look is what the president has been able to do
this past two years. There's always going to be more work to be done,
but the fact is the president has taken action.
14.
How are you going to blame Republicans for this?
Isn't D.C.
run by a bunch of Democrats?
I'm going to speak to what the president has done, right?
The president has been very, very straightforward about what he has done to make sure that communities are safe.
American Rescue Plan, not one Republican in Congress voted for it.
Not one.
There were billions of dollars in that plan, in that Well, of course, on the issues that Matt Gaetz is talking about, he's not wrong about it.
I mean, when it comes to single-issue voting, on single-issue legislation, regular order for bills, spending bills, he's not wrong about that.
And it's something that, as we mentioned a minute ago, you and I have been talking about a long time.
All righty.
All right, uh, come in with cut six.
Come in with six.
And then anything else after that or just no reads or?
Um, I don't know.
Okay.
Come in with cut six.
Biden.
20 seconds.
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That was earlier today.
Our guest wants me to believe that that's an act.
We'll get back to him in a moment.
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All right, he's the author of the brand new book, Breaking Biden.
And he wants us to believe some different take on the current incumbent of the White House, Alex Marlowe.
So he's not being puppeted?
Is he a man who is in control of his own faculties?
Tell us what you found.
Dr. G, that was a great rib, and I love a bunch of manly banter from you, but you thrown out there that I want you to believe it's an act.
I did not say it's an act.
He absolutely has these brain freezes, brain farts, whatever you want to call them.
He's always had them.
But I think that what's interesting is that you and your producers, you were playing a bunch of clips during the break.
And there was a huge one where Karine Jean-Pierre is advertising the American Rescue Plan.
The American Rescue Plan was one of the worst things economically that's ever happened to this country.
It was a $1.9 trillion spend when the economy was already recovering.
We were already on the torrential Trump recovery and we cut another $1.9 trillion.
This is the most inflationary thing maybe we've ever done in the history of the country.
And Joe Biden's White House is touting it.
And this isn't something that was just pushed by the collective left.
Some of the left was against it.
Larry Summers, who was Obama's National Economic Council chair, he was opposed to it.
Olivier Blanchard, who's maybe the most cited economist in the world, not a man of the right, he was against it.
And so you had the Biden administration Do this colossally horrible policy that led to so much inflation, so much misery across the country.
And then they're still touting it today.
But again, Biden misspoke today.
So we're going to focus more on him misspeaking than the fact that they're touting some of the worst policies in history.
But what is your point?
What is your broader point with the touting the Bidenomics?
I mean, to me, that seems like they're idiots.
So it is not that they're idiots.
What this was was a handout, a government handout of your money, money we don't even have.
Your audience's money, so that they could get what they want, so that they could massage and appease the institutional left that wants all sorts of handouts, be it student loan forgiveness, be it whatever green initiative that they have, investments into their electric vehicle companies, which they continue to pump money into those.
All of that stuff, and I list many of them in the book, But it is all a design to appease and stroke the left that shows up for them at the polls and community organizers on their behalf.
And you found instances where, you know, he was in the chair and he was in command?
Yeah, so there's a couple that I think are perfect to talk about with you as a national security expert and the former national security expert at Breitbart.
Looking through the clearest example where Joe was not being puppeteered, he was just simply terrible on the policy, was the Afghanistan pullout.
When we pulled out of Afghanistan and we literally droned a car full of children and no one really ever apologized for it, where we left so many troops there, where we left school children there, we left our allies there, we let the Taliban take over and immediately start treating women like they were essentially Not third, fourth class citizens.
I mean, they lost every privilege off the bat.
All of this was basically Joe by himself, even if generals were against him on this, on his pullout strategy.
And yet he did it alone.
How did he pull that off if he was being puppeteered?
I think it does kind of refute the narrative that he's purely a puppet of the establishment.
And Dr. G, you must have been sitting there in disbelief more than even the rest of us, that that was the strategy after all that time.
Yeah, somebody, you know, the military knew it was wrong.
They absolutely understood what the consequences would be of not using the actual Bagram airbase, but the Kabul airbase that was indefensible.
And then, of course, removing our military before removing our civilians.
So somebody had to tell the military that we are doing it this way.
And I doubt It was Kamala Harris, and I doubt it was that pencil-necked Jake Sullivan.
So, yeah, I think the idea that Biden was in the chair that day, and that's why it led to the death of 13 of our American war fighters, that rings true to me.
The book is Breaking Biden, Exposing the Hidden Forces and Secret Money Machine.
Behind Joe Biden, his family, and his administration.
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How was your editor?
Yeah, I'm happy to talk about this on here.
It was great.
My editor is amazing.
And I had some institutional support.
And I think it's for two reasons.
I think that the outrage over the canceling of Josh Hawley's book, I think shook them up.
I think, you know, Tucker was very outraged at them.
And I know that he wrote in his book, he dared them to publish basically a screed against them.
In his book, which was kind of interesting, and they published it.
But conservatives buy books.
That's the main thing, is that conservatives buy so many books.
If you look at the bestseller list last week, Mark Levin sold, I think, four times as many books as any other nonfiction publisher.
So they're at least one of the few globalist corporations that is not going to live in denial of that fact, that conservatives want to read, and they want to read substantial stuff.
It's funny, I was looking at Mark's book.
He doesn't even have any endorsements.
It's like, I'm Mark Levin.
I don't need any endorsements.
He is unique in that regard.
There's no, I don't think there's any other person.
Maybe Hannity.
Hannity hasn't put a book out in a few years, but in terms of just... O'Reilly.
O'Reilly.
O'Reilly's just this ghost writing machine.
But one thing about O'Reilly is that his books are completely apolitical.
Like maybe there's, and I've read several of them, there's rarely a sentence that's, it's a history.
Are they any good?
I like them because they're efficient.
I'm not going to spend... His last one, which was Killing the Legends, he's got 100 pages on The Beatles.
I don't want to spend more than 100 pages on The Beatles.
I'm just not in that point in my life where I'm fine with that.
I don't want to read 600 pages on The Beatles right now.
Don't tell that to James Rosen.
James Rosen will excommunicate you.
Some of our brothers and sisters, particularly in the MAGA camp, I think, particularly enjoy the Circular Firing Squad.
You want to come at me and call me a rhino?
You can kiss my ass.
Look, I've spent a lifetime fighting for limited government conservatism.
I have laid it all on the line.
I have not seen my family for two days in the last 30 days.
You go around talking your big game and you thump in your chest on Twitter?
Yeah, come to my office and come have a debate, mother.
You know why?
Because I'm standing up for this country every single day.
And Steve, I'm not going to give up.
Stop, stop, stop.
Come in with cut four.
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Nancy is not a hard right intransigent lawmaker, but our Venn diagram overlaps around spending.
Didn't you vote to send me to federal prison for four months?
I like the Constitution.
I'm a constitutionalist.
My appellate lawyer would disagree about that, but that's not a deal.
Nancy Mace on the war room.
That's interesting.
I've got to get your take, Alex, on what we witnessed last night.
We're not just going to talk about your fabulous new book.
It's called Breaking Biden.
Dear friends, we've got, oh my gosh, 14 more months of this clown in the White House until the election.
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I'm curious.
I see it's Simon and Schuster who have published your book.
I thought they were woke.
What was that like?
It was pretty great, believe it or not, and I've got a lot of nice things to say about them, which is a surprise, but I do want to give a shout out to conservative audiences.
I think there's two reasons why Simon & Schuster is willing to publish a book like this, and I do give them a lot of credit and they've been really nice to work with along the way.
I do have a terrific editor named Natasha Simons who deserves immense credit, but the whole institution was supportive.
And I do think conservative media deserves a lot of credit because when Simon & Schuster cancelled one of Josh Hawley's books a couple of years ago, the outrage was so intense and was so public.
I do think there were some lessons learned.
I think the outrage machine actually was effective in forcing people who might not share our politics to rethink things.
I think that made my process pretty smooth.
But the most important thing, Dr. G., is that the people there at Simon & Schuster are not dumb people, and they understand a fundamental truth about this country, which is that conservatives read books.
We want to buy books.
We want to get educated.
We think of ourselves as lifelong learners, and we want to be engaged politically.
And there's just some things that are much easier said in a book than on a talk show or on a TV show or on Twitter.
And they get it.
So they keep publishing books, and they're going to keep publishing big books.
They have the number one book in the world right now, which is Mark Levin's book, which was sold, I think, four times as many nonfiction books last week as any other book.
So they're going to keep doing it, and I'm happy with the experience.
And I am, like you, semi-surprised that it's Just to read their promotional material where it talks about the dishonesty, the extravagant failures, the need to expose the Biden political machine.
This is on Simon & Schuster's promotional material, so that's interesting.
You've been doing this for more than a year now.
I have to ask you, the left says, there's no evidence!
There's no evidence!
There's an illusion of access.
Is there anything in your book?
Is there like a fax?
To Xi Jinping that says, send me the money now, I will change US foreign policy.
Signed, Joe.
Well, there's a couple of things that I think are pretty clear-cut.
There's one example where the effing spy chief of China, that's Hunter's words, where he hired Hunter for who knows what reason, Dr. G, like why would the spy chief of China want to hire Hunter?
I mean, it's just, he has so many skills to offer.
And then he got arrested, he got hauled in by the FBI.
Do you know who the first call was to?
It was to Jim Biden, Hunter's brother, who is a former nightclub owner, who has literally zero skills or information that could be a benefit.
So obviously the ties are extremely deep within the Chinese government and the Biden family.
I think that's clear as day.
But due to the fact that I don't have congressional subpoena power, I can't get the smoking gun necessarily.
But you raise the most important question.
Do I need a bank wire to Joe Biden's personal account from the Chinese government?
Absolutely not.
We see what happens.
Four entities have figured out that if you send money to the Biden family, Joe rewards you with favorable policy.
There is one example, clear as a bell, totally indisputable, which is the Burisma example.
Burisma hires Hunter.
Hunter knows nothing about Ukraine or energy.
A million dollar a year contract.
Burisma has one request.
Fire the prosecutor.
They reiterate the request.
Fire the prosecutor if you wanted this to continue.
Then Joe does it.
Joe fires a prosecutor and brags about it.
We learned the Barack Obama State Department thought the prosecutor was doing a good job.
So Joe Biden, essentially the family accepted a bribe.
And Joe Biden changed U.S.
policy and went against State Department recommendations to change that policy while Hunter was getting paid.
It's so obvious they're willing to do that.
So now that we have that as a basis, that's our template.
We got to look at every single one of these foreign deals and there are dozens of them.
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We've got exactly 60 seconds left, Alex.
Gotta get your take as mrbrightbart.com with regards to what happened yesterday.
I like a bit of creative chaos.
What do you think?
I like the chaos from a news perspective, Dr. G, but what is it that you think is going to happen next?
And this is where I might I might surprise you or disappoint you in some way.
I'm not convinced they've got a plan where the next iteration of Congress is better than the former one.
I understand the grievances.
No, I just know that the fact that we've already... I had Jim Jordan on my show two years ago and I said, I'd like you to be the Speaker.
And he said, no, I don't want to be the Speaker.
Well, guess what?
Today he said, I'm running for Speaker.
He did it on my colleague on Bob France's show.
So the idea that people are screaming, end of the world, and we might get to replace Kevin McCarthy with Jim Jordan.
I think that's a win.
It could be good.
And I just want people to get their attention back on the Biden family as fast as possible.
And if it's Jordan, who's going to be the guy who's holding the torch out in front, I think that could be a great thing.
But you know, there's there's a long way to go between now and then.
Yeah, we shall see, but I think that replacement would be a good place to start.
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Jeff?
That's good when you just said, who is that guy?
I think that'd be great.
The debate to be had.
Oh, man.
She is kind of yesterday's news, but, you know.
What does she even do now?
Bitch about Trump.
Rant on Twitter.
But you don't see her on TV anymore.
No.
Ever.
Yeah.
No, she turned on DeSantis recently.
She was like, yeah, the DeSantis people, like the other influencers.
She's one of those that'll just turn on everybody.
Yeah.
I think she's a loony.
You think?
What's up?
No, I definitely think she is.
Has she ever been married?
Probably not.
I don't think so.
Uh, title for Alex?
What is The Culture War?
She says she's the booker for Tim Pool's The Culture War.
Is that a sub thing or what?
Oh, is that the um, one of their other shows?
That they host in that network?
He has like a whole network.
Is that a song that he came out with?
Remember that?
Oh my gosh, I do.
He has a whole network of people working like under him, like doing their own shows.
Alright, come in with Bob.
Cut 5.
Come in with 5.
Oh wow, it's already the end of the first half.
And then I'll tee up 8.
and then I'll tee up eight.
And you'll tee up eight.
And then I'll tee up nine.
And then I'll tee up ten.
And then I'll tee up eleven.
And then I'll tee up twelve.
And then I'll tee up thirteen.
And then I'll tee up fourteen.
And then I'll tee up fifteen.
And then I'll tee up sixteen.
And then I'll tee up seventeen.
And then I'll tee up eighteen.
And then I'll tee up nineteen.
And then I'll tee up twenty.
Would you accept that leadership?
Again, yeah, if the conference decides, that's their decision.
And that's how I think it has to be.
Not exactly very excited about the prospect, but hat tip to Bob who's listening, and he said, thanks for mentioning me.
We don't just mention you, Bob.
You're my guest host.
We love when you come on here and I have to be out of the studio.
And you got Jim Jordan on your show to say that.
Jeff, does Jim sound very excited about becoming speaker?
That's the only thing.
It didn't really come off like he really wants to do it.
It's got to be such a sucko job, don't you think, Eric?
Especially these days, yeah, with the tension between the Conservatives and the Rhinos.
And again, remember how small of a majority it is.
It's, what, a four-seat majority?
Like, it's not this massive majority like after 2010.
Yeah, but he'll know.
He'll know.
Jim'll know what he has to deliver.
Unlike the last guy who literally delivered nothing, who was doing backdoor room deals for Ukraine aid.
Allegedly, he made a statement.
McCarthy made a statement to the effect That Nancy promised that the Democrats would never vote against him if somebody initiated the motion to vacate.
I mean, I'm sorry!
You're not fit to be Speaker if you trust Nancy Pelosi for a nanosecond!
I mean, that should disqualify you!
But some people love him.
Especially the man with the, um, follically challenged haircut.
Thomas Massey, cut eight!
Mr. Speaker, as the only still serving co-author and co-sponsor of the motion to vacate Speaker Boehner, I can tell you this motion to vacate is a terrible idea.
As the only member who's serving here who took every chance to vote against Speaker Boehner and to vote against Speaker Ryan, I can tell you that this chamber has been run better, more conservatively, and more transparently under Mr. McCarthy than any other speaker that I have served under.
So, um, who is he comparing him to?
Eric, what other speakers?
So, like, what, he's more conservative than Paul Ryan?
Yeah, that's not a very high bar, is it?
That's the best you got, Massey.
Massey, who, by the way, dared on a Twitter space with me to label Devin Nunes as a member of the Deep Swamp.
The Deep State.
Yeah, we've got your number, Massey.
You're just another fake MAGA deep down rhino.
And you're a little bit weird as well.
How strange you are.
Next up, we're going to talk to the man himself, the revolutionary on Capitol Hill, Matt Gaetz.
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you you
on the issues that Matt Gaetz is talking about, he's not wrong about it.
I mean, when it comes to single-issue voting on, you know, single-issue legislation, regular order for bills, spending bills, he's not wrong about that.
And it's something that, as we mentioned a minute ago, you and I have been talking about a long time.
I like Charlie Hert.
He's a little bit more mild-mannered than I am, but he's absolutely right that Matt Gaetz was right.
And why?
Because he's a firebrand, and he proved it yesterday.
Play the cut.
I don't think voting against Kevin McCarthy is chaos.
I think $33 trillion in debt is chaos.
I think that facing a $2.2 trillion annual deficit is chaos.
I think that not passing single-subject spending bills is chaos.
I think the fact that we have been governed in this country since the mid-90s by continuing resolution and omnibus is chaos.
And the way to liberate ourselves from that is a series of reforms to this body.
And to keep promises, I just want to know who was the old white guy behind him, scowling and pretending to be asleep at the same time.
Maybe Matt knows.
Maybe he's got eyes in the back of his head.
Let's ask him from Florida, the irrepressible Congressman Matt Gaetz.
Thank you so much, Dr. Gorka.
No, I wasn't looking behind me.
I was looking ahead for our country then and now, because we need to elect a strong, conservative speaker with trust throughout the Republican conference, and we need to get back to work.
It was very disappointing that the first act of the Speaker pro tem was to send everybody home for a week, I guess, to cope with what had happened on the floor.
We're tens of days away from the government funding running out yet again, and we ought to be working on these single-subject appropriations bills, send them to the Senate, demand that the Senate conference the disagreements that they have with those bills with us so that we're able to prioritize the needs of the American people.
And the swamp hates it, and they hate me, and I've made a lot of people mad in Washington, but I'm actually trying to Provide good government to all the people outside of Washington DC not an easier life for the people inside of Washington DC I've been ranting about this yesterday.
I opened the show with it.
We'll talk to your colleague Andy Biggs later Today McCarthy has said you and the eight are no conservatives I'm gonna ask one big-picture question and then you're gonna tell us what you expect next week and then the threats made against you organizationally in the caucus and elsewhere so Our conversations offline and even online are usually about strategy.
We talk about big picture long-term objectives.
The only resonant critique of yesterday I hear on the right is, well they didn't have a plan, the eight people didn't have a plan.
Well I don't think anybody had a plan because I don't think Kevin thought it was going to happen either.
My argument is a bit of constructive Creative chaos is good if you have done nothing, really nothing, for eight months.
And more importantly, as you said at the end of that clip, for almost 30 years the idea of the most powerful nation in the world has been run without a budget, but continually omnibuses and continuing resolutions is a flipping outrage.
So did you have a strategy, Matt, for what happens next?
Or were you as surprised as I think Kevin and the Democrats were?
Well, of course I have a plan, and you're seeing that plan come to fruition right now.
Step one in the plan, remove Kevin McCarthy.
The reason I felt we had to do that is because it is not conservative to lash together every
agency of government from the EPA to the Department of Labor to Veterans Affairs and the Department
of Defense and then force one up or down vote on all of it.
He thinks that that paradigm can lead to conservative results.
Instead, it has led us to a $33 trillion debt.
I believe the way to achieve conservative results is to force every agency of government
to have to stand before the Congress and defend each programmatic line item and then allow
for amendments from Republicans and Democrats to eliminate those line items or reduce them
and then have a debate about the merits of those arguments.
Then the American people can hold their lawmakers accountable if budgets continue to grow for
non-efficacious programs.
But today, lawmakers are able to escape any accountability on those questions because
they say, oh, well, you know, we just had to vote for it all at once because I wanted
to pay our troops and care for the vulnerable and our seniors and the veterans.
And it is unserious and it is certainly not conservative.
So I'll defend my conservative record against Kevin McCarthy's any day of the week.
And I think the American people would stand with me on that point.
Now, look at who's running.
There are currently three names, Seb, that are being discussed for a potential speaker of the House.
Jim Jordan, Steve Scalise, and then the kind of dark horse outsider option, Donald J. Trump.
Already two members committing to President Trump in a speaker vote.
So if we're leaving the era of Kevin McCarthy and going to either the era of Trump, Jim Jordan, or Steve Scalise, there's not a single American who can't argue that that would be a House of Representatives more conservatively led.
No, it's exactly the argument I made an hour ago.
That in and of itself... Does that sound like a plan?
Does that count as a plan?
It sounds as a plan to me, absolutely.
And the fact that Jim Jordan a year ago on this show said, no, I don't want to run for the speakership and now we could be replacing...
Kevin McCarthy with him.
That is a win-win all around.
All right, let's talk about you.
We hear the threats.
Even the likes of Newt Gingrich say you should be expelled.
How can we help you?
What's your real expectation?
Is this just heat of the moment or is this a serious threat?
You know, I donated $25 to Newt Gingrich when he ran for president against Mitt Romney, and I would like it back.
Because I don't think there's any legitimate reason to expel me from the conference for utilizing the rules.
I didn't act outside the rules.
By the way, I just want us to follow the law.
The law says that by now the Congress was supposed to have completed its work on single-subject spending bills.
We broke the law.
I removed the Speaker for breaking the law, and now my colleagues likely want to remove me from the Republican conference.
All right.
We need you on Capitol Hill.
And if that gets you kicked out of today's Washington, D.C.
elite Republican conference, I guess I'll be spending a lot more time with you, Dr. G.
All right.
We need you on Capitol Hill.
How can the three and a half million people who are listening right now support you and
your cause?
Oh, thank you.
MattGates.com.
My donors have been criticized on the House floor because people act like groveling and bending the knee to lobbyists is more virtuous than having a political enterprise funded by the American people.
What is the promise you made with regards to funders?
Tell us the promise you made years ago.
Well, I don't take any lobbyist money and I don't take any political action committee money.
I'm the only Republican in Congress who refuses all donations from lobbyists and PACs.
And so they really hate that up here because they can't buy me off and compromise me.
So they're going to try to destroy me.
And I knew that when I went into this fight.
But I think that we had success in removing the Speaker.
Now we need to chase that with the success of putting in someone like a Steve Scalise, like a Jim Jordan, like a Donald Trump.
And if we upgrade the institution like that, I can look back on my time in Congress with great pride.
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Last question, we need you there to keep their feet to the fire.
You are a firebrand, that is the name of your book and your podcast.
If we get the likes of Scalise or Jordan in our speaker, what Has to happen, finally, on Capitol Hill.
Give us your, not demand, your expectation for, let's say, the first 30 days of what should be done under a new conservative speakership.
Well, it's very simple.
It's the budget process.
It's all about the money.
You can have all the hearings and rant and rave all you want, but we have got to stop sending money to the entities in the federal government that have been weaponized against the American people, from censorship to targeting to political prosecutions and even worse in some cases.
And so I think that the power of the purse Was not effectively used by Kevin McCarthy.
The next speaker has to be able to use the power of the purse, use leverage, and I look forward to supporting him.
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Let's get this speaker vote done.
Let's make sure we don't have this motion to vacate so we don't have chaos again.
We can't do this next year.
We cannot do this and win.
If this happens again, we are jeopardizing a very small house majority.
What I will say to the individuals who did this yesterday, who are fundraising through the whole process, I really hope that every dollar they raise, they give to those 18 Republicans Sitting in districts that Biden won.
I'm confused, Jeff.
That's Ronna Romney McDaniel.
Is she saying now that fundraising is bad?
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We're so delighted to have with us from Arizona's Fighting Fifth, he is a warrior, Congressman Andy Biggs.
Hey Seb, good to be with you.
So Congressman, I was on air live yesterday as it happened, and I have to say, it caught me unawares.
I didn't think it was going to happen.
I don't think Kevin thought it was going to happen.
Were you expecting the result that America got?
Yeah, yes I was, Seb.
You know, we started hearing media accounts that the Democrats were not going to bail Kevin out.
Not too long before the vote.
And that kind of surprised me because I always believed, in fact, I had gone on the air earlier saying I thought McCarthy was going to survive the vote.
So I was kind of surprised by it.
And so what do you think happened?
Why did they not want to support him?
Because some people are saying they were going to support him and then pressurize him and then on the second round they'd get what they want out of him.
So what do you think happened between what you expected and those media reports?
Well, what I understand happened is that Hakeem Jeffries got all the Democrats together Sometime yesterday before the vote and told him that he thought it would be legislative malpractice to bail McCarthy out.
Um, and so once I started hearing that, I kind of wondered, uh, I wasn't, so thus I wasn't surprised at the vote.
I was, I was surprised that the Democrats didn't bail him out to be frank with you.
And that's, that's kind of when I heard that they weren't going to bail him out.
I was thinking, well, that's, that's interesting.
But I still believe that McCarthy could make some side deals with several Democrats enough to compensate for the roughly ten or so of us we thought we might have.
You're talking to about three and a half million people across the nation, including in Arizona right now, Congressman.
Why did you vote the way you voted?
Well, as I said yesterday on the floor during the debate, I started off with talking about the border crisis, specifically relating about a young deputy injured seriously last week while trying to interdict a human trafficker in Cochise County, Arizona, and that the border is just wide open and it's crazy.
And what have we seen out of our leadership of Mr. McCarthy is He basically capitulated on everything.
So instead of doing the 12 budget bills, now if you do the 12 budget bills separately, the reason that that's important is it gives you a clarity of what you're spending, but it also allows you to adjust and use it as leverage against the administration.
So we can pass all kinds of budget security bills like HR 2 or the DHS bill we passed last week, But if you don't use every tool you have to leverage against a lawless regime like the Biden administration, then it's just noise.
It's kabuki theaters, just wisps of wind wafting off into the sky.
It doesn't matter.
Felt very strongly that Mr. McCarthy had been given every opportunity to lead on that point, especially since he said he was going to do that.
And he had to complete that by June 30th to be in compliance with federal law and didn't do it.
And then the other thing I'll say that really pushed me significantly towards this outcome was the debt ceiling fight.
And the debt ceiling fight, Seb, I was there, actually, in the room when they negotiated to get to $1.5 trillion over an eight-month period.
Over an eight-month period, they're going to increase the national debt $1.5 trillion.
And that's what passed out of here.
I voted against it, but it went over there.
And he came back.
The Speaker came back with no debt ceiling at all.
And then we don't even consider it again until January 2025, after the presidential election.
Why?
Because those two things are exactly what President Biden wanted.
And I thought, not only does he not leverage the stuff the way he's supposed to, he cannot defend and negotiate the position the way he needs to if we're going to survive.
And then I closed again.
By the end of the Biden administration, there will be 10 million people who came across this country illegally, Seb.
And we can't take another year and a half of that.
And so you need somebody in the leadership position who is going to use the tools to goad this administration into actually enforcing the border.
And I just don't feel Kevin McCarthy, he's a nice enough guy.
He's just not the leader that we need.
Well, God bless you for doing what you did, Congressman Biggs.
What happens next?
What happens next week?
You're on like recess for a week.
And what are your expectations for Jim Jordan or Steve Scalise?
So there's much more than just those two running.
I was approached last night.
The seat wasn't vacant for very many minutes before I got a few people calling me up.
Members of our conference calling to discuss what their intentions were.
I think you're going to see a number of people who are going to get into the race, which is exactly what I thought would happen.
You're going to get quality people into the race.
And I'm going to vote and support the most conservative person who can get 218 votes.
And I hope that whoever it is next will actually push us and get us back to work.
You know, the reality is by the time this is settled, You'll still have 35 days left to get the last seven bills out.
And Seb, that's five per day.
I mean, that's five days per bill.
That's very manageable and doable.
Absolutely doable, and that's what has to happen.
You've explained why you voted, how you voted, and it was the right thing to do.
And we salute you and everybody who voted with you in the GOP caucus.
God bless you, Representative Andy Biggs.
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Tyrone, when you say poker game, what exactly happened?
What transpired?
Well, first we were watching, we all get together every Tuesday night and we watch Tucker Carlson's show on X. We used to watch him on Fox News, obviously he's out there no more.
And still being the most credible guy in the media in America, we always get together to watch Tucker Carlson.
Get rid of it, I've had enough.
So that was a punk caller, a troll on Fox News, whilst the active shooter situation was going down in Maryland at Morgan State University.
Afterwards, he revealed his identity.
It's an alleged conservative, Mark Dice.
And I want to call him out here now in front of millions of people.
I did it on Twitter, but that's not enough.
You can have problems with Fox.
I do.
After they called Arizona for Biden.
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Somebody else who's a patriot, who is at the helm of the conservative mothership, is our good buddy Kevin Roberts!
Dr. Roberts!
Welcome back to America First.
It's been a minute.
It has.
My friend Dr. Gorka, thanks for having me on.
It's always a pleasure.
We have so much to discuss.
We've got you for two segments.
I want to talk about what we do as a conservative movement after 2024.
God willing, if everything goes the way we want it to go and we all do our part.
But first, you have been a man in motion.
Last time I saw you was for the What was it, the 50th anniversary at Mount Vernon of the Heritage Foundation?
An amazing, amazing atmosphere, an amazing event.
And I think you've been on the road practically ever since.
So I'd love to know, Dr. Roberts, what are you hearing from Americans about the state of America and our future?
Yes, I spend as much time outside D.C.
as I can.
And that, of course, keeps me sane.
But it also keeps me close to the everyday American whom Heritage represents.
And I don't know how many states I've been in since we saw each other last in April, but a lot.
And every person I've talked to, it doesn't matter if they're a conservative in California, kind of a center-right person in Oklahoma or someone in Florida, they say the same thing.
Kevin?
America has a very narrow path ahead.
And what is Heritage going to do about that?
And I know you and I will talk about that in a minute.
But the other fine point that I want to make is that Americans are almost, almost on the brink of despair.
That's a really dangerous place to be, not just in terms of our own health, but it's also a dangerous place to be in terms of civil society.
And you and I both know from our experience and kind of the academic intellectual world, Seb, That's also what the radical left wants us to think.
They want us to be despairing so that we give up.
And so, more than anything, what the Heritage Foundation is trying to do is the same thing that you do with all of your broadcasting, with your audience, and that's encourage Americans with a plan about how we're going to retake this country.
Is this analogous to where we were in the so-called malaise in the 70s with Carter, or is it worse than that?
Because we look at what's happening to conservatives, whether it's Catholics being targeted by the FBI, or whether it's the president now facing more than 700 years in prison on trumped-up charges from the DOJ and the likes of Fannie Willis.
You are a historian by training.
Is this analogous, or are we in an even darker situation?
Well, the closest analog, at least in modern American history, is the late 70s, precisely that moment in 1979 when President Carter gave that malaise speech.
But I agree with what you're implying there, which is that this situation now, 2023, is probably even worse.
And let me just Describe that with some specificity quickly, although I will conclude on a hopeful note.
So much has changed.
So much has gotten worse since 1979.
We've redefined what men are, what women are.
Marriage rates, birth rates have plummeted, which of course have a dramatic effect on the most important institutions that offset the overreach of government.
And of course, not surprisingly, not only has government gotten larger, but as Gramsci would tell us if he were alive today, The radical left has succeeded in this long march through the institutions.
And so, those are all the reasons, Seb, that Heritage, more than ever in its 50-year history, this year is so aggressive.
We're so ambitious about not just winning little political battles with the left, but actually tearing out root and branch, the administrative state, and in a figurative sense, going to war with the other side.
That's really what we need to be doing.
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The fireworks at the end of that night were just fantastic.
Yeah.
Junkin's speech was a bit long.
Yeah, it was.
A little long.
Because it was quite warm.
It's quite warm.
But that was big.
How many people was that?
We had almost 800 or 1,000 people at Mount Vernon, and then about 2,300 the next night at the National Harbor deal.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What kind of camera?
It's like an incredible picture.
What are you using there?
Is that one of Rob Louie's setups?
No, it's my Macintosh desktop.
Wow.
Okay.
Is it ready?
Yes.
How long is it?
27 seconds.
Play it.
And it takes over, unfortunately, in moments like this, and it's harnessed, in fact, by bad people in moments like this, to produce uniformity.
And you see people going along with this, and you lose respect for them.
And that's certainly happened to me at scale over the past three years.
I'm not mad at people, I'm just sad.
I'm disappointed.
How could you go along with this?
You know it's not true, but you're saying it anyway?
Really?
You're putting your pronouns in your email?
You're ridiculous.
You know, but no one else thinks it's ridiculous.
Oh no, it's the pronouns in the email.
What does that even mean?
Love when he does that grub though.
Right, good.
Excellent.
Thank you, Geoff.
Uh, what are we doing here?
This is D. Um... L.I.
L.I.
Okay.
Um, come in with that.
Come in with Tucker.
I'll do L.I.
and then we'll go back to Kevin.
Alrighty You want the phones over for the last block
No.
No, we got so many cuts to do and stuff.
Yeah.
Does anybody know why Mace voted the way she did?
Geoff, I thought you said you had a theory?
Yeah, it's the theory as always before.
She's nuts.
I can't figure her out.
I mean, she's all over the place.
Votes for Bannon to go to jail, and then she wants McCarthy out as speaker.
And then she appears on Bannon's show?
Yeah, well, and then she talks about having sex with her boyfriend at the prep.
That was the craziest one of them all right there.
That was so bad.
She's our AOC, right?
And she's pro-choice, and then she goes to prayer for her.
I forgot about that.
Standby.
Coming in with Tucker.
Dafuq.
I'm not sure what that means.
And it takes over unfortunately in moments like this and it's harnessed in fact by bad people in moments like this to
produce uniformity.
And you see people going along with this, and you lose respect for them.
And that's certainly happened to me at scale over the past three years.
I'm not mad at people, I'm just sad.
I'm disappointed.
How could you go along with this?
You know it's not true, but you're saying it anyway?
Really?
You're putting your pronouns in your email?
You're ridiculous.
You know, but no one else thinks it's ridiculous.
Oh no, it's the pronouns in the email!
What does that even mean?
That was Tucker Carlson at the Heritage 50th anniversary celebrations.
I think that was the Friday night that he got fired and didn't know he was going to be fired.
Quite a speech.
It was hosted by our guest Kevin Roberts.
Watch the video of the speech and then after the Q&A, the curated Q&A with Kevin.
Of course, Tucker was talking about wokeness taking over America.
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So we have to stop the insanity, Dr. Roberts. We have to get control of the nation. They've
been destroying it, as you said, since Gramsci gave them a new plan, the long march through
the institutions as Rudi Deutschke phrased it.
God willing, if everybody does their part.
My wife, who worked for you, is out there knocking on doors for the GOP.
She's a senior election officer in Virginia.
Everybody has to do their part.
If we do our part and we win, here's my big worry.
And I want you to assuage my concerns.
As somebody who worked in the White House, the biggest issue we had was personnel.
We didn't have a bench.
And there are 4,000 positions that have to be filled by presidential appointees, and then the rest.
And I'm concerned that we will again have saboteurs, like General Kelly and others, inside the wire, like, you know, so-called Anonymous.
Jeff, what is that pathetic person's name, Anonymous?
What's his real name?
Miles Taylor.
Miles Taylor.
So we've got to prevent that happening the second time.
I've been told Heritage is working on this, but here's my concern.
As Chris Plant, my radio buddy, says, one of the greatest successes of the left in recent decades is to make sure that decent patriots, decent conservatives, would never work for a Republican administration.
Do we have a plan?
And do we have enough people for the bench, Kevin?
Well, I'm happy to report, my friend, in spite of the fact that what you've outlined is real.
I mean, the radical left has lapped the political right when it comes to preparing men and women for the kinds of service that you and others provided in the last administration.
Two years ago, when I took over Heritage, knowing that Heritage has worked on this kind of plan every four years, I brought a little bit of Texas mentality to it, which is, let's make it the biggest, best, most ambitious plan for taking over the administrative state and ultimately dismantling it in the history of the conservative movement.
I mean it.
So there are, quickly, four phases to this.
The first is what you would expect us to do, which is an analysis of the policy that needs to be implemented.
But the second part is the one that you want to home in on.
It's the one that will assuage your concerns.
Because as you said, there are about 4,000 political appointees in each administration.
We set out, Seb, to find 10,000 people who would submit their resumes.
Go through training for specific jobs we're recommending that they're appointed to.
And we are on pace to zoom well past those 10,000 and get to 20,000.
These are people who are going to be trained, pre-vetted in the likely occurrence that our weaponized FBI tries to unjustly kneecap them from even getting into the job.
And then the third thing, which is what we're working on right now, is making sure that we have the executive orders, the rules ready to go for the administration.
The final part is the 100-day plan from moment one of day one that all of these men and women who go into the administration have the playbook and they implement the plays immediately so that when we get to the end of the first calendar year of the next presidential administration, New Year's Eve 2025, When we're all sitting around popping fireworks and drinking our favorite soft drink or beverage, we know that what we're doing is reclaiming this country.
We have to be that ambitious.
We have to be that bold.
Heritage is leading this effort with 75 other conservative organizations.
And I am happy to report, my friend, that if we win the next election, we're ready to take power.
And are you going to keep it a secret what the plan is for the executive actions?
Is this a public document?
What's the plan, given that we know how the left operates?
The basis of the plan is public.
You can see that at project2025.org.
There are parts of the plan that we will not share with the left.
The executive orders, the rules and regulations.
Just like a good football team, we don't want to tip off our playbook to the left.
Oh, they're frightened.
you this, as you probably know, maybe some members of your audience haven't seen this
because they have the good sense not to read the New York Times or watch MSNBC.
And it's that what the left does know about this plan, what they've been able to see at
project2025.org has caused their heads to explode.
Oh, they're frightened.
They simply can't understand.
They are.
Was it two weeks ago there was the article, the secret plan for the conservatives to take
And I think it mentioned some organization you're connected to, Kevin.
Yes, indeed.
The Heritage Foundation, of course, is leading this, but there are a lot of organizations that are part of it.
And that's the whole point, Seth.
What we learned from the experience President Trump had in 2017 is that in spite of the best efforts of a lot of good people, the conservative movement wasn't quite prepared for the disruptor-in-chief.
We need to be prepared in 2025 because the clock is ticking on this great republic.
Well, I'm proud to have been an advisor to the former president of the Heritage Foundation and my wife worked there recently as well where she published this work with Mike Gonzalez.
This is why we have to do what we have to do.
It explains how cultural Marxism has threatened the future of the United States That's at heritage.org, an organization you should join today.
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You You
You 96% of the Republicans voted for McCarthy.
Four percent voted against him.
From my position as a longtime Republican activist, they're traitors.
All eight of them should, in fact, be primaried.
They should all be driven out of public life.
What they did was to go to the other team to cause total chaos.
We ought to be focusing on Biden.
We ought to be focusing on the economy.
We ought to be focusing on the border.
Instead, you're going to get a week or 10 days of the media focusing on Republican disarray.
It's an astonishingly destructive behavior by a handful of egocentric people who think they're superior to 96% of the conference.
Speaker Gingrich, mute if I may.
That's just so wrong.
Yeah, we should be focusing on the border and Biden and the economy.
But they haven't!
For eight months!
And the point that 96% of the conference voted with the Democrats is the issue!
Jeff, how could he be so wrong?
Help me out!
He's just a little bit too close to the issue.
I think he's a little bit too emotional.
As a former speaker, right?
Exactly, I think.
He knows how hard it is and that's why I think he sympathizes with Kevin.
Yeah, we're not envious of anybody who's put their name in the hat, but Chip Roy, Jeff, watch this and explain to me how Mr. Chip Roy from Texas is just so angry.
Take a look.
Brothers and sisters, particularly in the MAGA camp, I think, particularly enjoy the circular firing squad.
You want to come at me and call me a rhino?
You can kiss my ass.
Look, I've spent a lifetime fighting for limited government conservatism.
I have laid it all on the line.
I have not seen my family for two days in the last 30 days.
You go around talking your big game and you thump in your chest on Twitter?
Yeah, come to my office to come out and debate, mother.
You know why?
Because I'm standing up for this country every single day.
And Steve, I'm not going to give up.
I'm not going to go to a nunnery.
Because goddammit, there were people who were buried over in Normandy who deserve us to stand up for what they fought for.
So that's what I'm gonna do, and all of you f***ers out there who are out there saying what you're saying out on social media, you stick it!
That was local radio.
Are you allowed to use language?
What was that?
Some local radio host, right?
Yeah, it was that radio host from Iowa, but I think he does an overtime thing that's online only on The Blaze.
I think that's what that was.
It had to be.
Nobody pays to watch that, do they?
I don't think so.
He says, my brothers and sisters, and then he says, you can kiss my ass and calls them MFers.
Yeah.
Brothers and sisters?
And all the other people online, too.
He said that, too.
He was upset about.
So tell me, who is Chip Roy?
Can you explain why this tough guy from Texas is so annoyed?
Oh, he's the big conservative that the Santas campaign likes to talk about all the time.
He's the guy that, um, he opposed Trump's, you know, fight with the electors.
He also opposed Paxton's lawsuit about the election with the fraud.
Oh, you mean he was against Paxton?
Yes, because he went into this whole constitutional thing that would strip states' rights and that stuff.
He also said that what Trump did on January 6th was impeachable, but he didn't vote for impeachment because the way that it was worded.
The Democrats, he didn't agree with that, but he said it was definitely an impeachable offense.
So he's a coward.
Yeah, and he also said that we shouldn't have stripped Liz Cheney from her leadership role.
You're a coward!
You're a coward, Chip Roy.
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Thank you, Alex, for that most apposite, well, not just the liner from the President, but also the music from a classic from the British TV show, The Avengers, the original Avengers.
Perfect for our guest today, who comes to us from across the pond, but he may be a foreigner, but like a certain Frenchman.
I hope he doesn't take this as an insult.
Alex de Tocqueville.
He has a very good eye for what is happening here in the United States.
He is the host of the Lotus Eaters podcast.
His nom de guerre is Sargon of Akkad.
Carl Benjamin, welcome back to America First.
Thank you so much for having me.
There aren't many Frenchmen I would be willing to be compared to, but the Tocqueville is definitely one of them.
All right, one of the few.
You will make an exception for us.
All right, so I'm still a little miffed at you.
If you don't know what that is, it's British slang.
Look it up.
Because he was in my manor.
He was just down the road in West Virginia with some guy called Tim something, Tim Pool.
If anyone's heard of him, yeah.
On his podcast, and I saw him tweet.
I saw Sargon tweet out, tune in, in a few hours time I'll be on Tim's show.
And I thought, hang on a second.
Tim only has guests in studio.
Does that mean Sargon's in America?
And sure he was.
And he didn't even have time for breakfast afterwards.
He was zooming off somewhere else.
But we'll make up for it now.
And we'll excuse him because his analysis was top notch.
I used two cuts.
On the very next day on my show, here's one of them that kind of goes to what we've been witnessing on Capitol Hill in the last few hours and what we've been witnessing in terms of my former boss in the last two years.
Play cut.
The right doesn't have the right mindset to win the war.
That's the thing.
Because the right's fighting to be left alone, and they're fighting to exterminate.
But I think the right is starting to see its values play out in other countries.
I mean, I think of, like, Eastern Europe and Georgia right now.
They're both very pro-nationalist, pro-natalist countries.
That Argentina guy?
Right!
I mean, I think we do see it on an international scale, and so, yes, they want to be left alone, but they are seeing their values echoed other places.
Yeah, but the problem is, um, these are all essentially what you can just characterize as, like, the great men of history.
Like, there's one guy, right?
There's one guy who's, like, in Argentina.
Ah, I'm gonna do all this stuff.
Okay, maybe you will be, like, an Alexander the Great, and you'll conquer the entire machinery of the Persian Empire.
But if you fail, that thing is just gonna swallow you up, right?
And so you're putting a lot on one guy.
Like, they don't have the organizational capacity that the left has.
Well, you have a great sense of history, Carl.
There are, of course, competing theories about, you know, the great men of history or whether it's circumstance that creates true leaders.
Let's unpack what you said there, because it seems here in America that your analysis is very, very sound.
Donald Trump, even after having been president, is not part of any establishment uh his movement if we can even talk of a movement is is not organically connected to him it's the tens of thousands of people who go to the football stadium to see him it's not institutionalized as it were so why is that number one and what does it bode for the future
So I agree with you, of course, there are competing theories of history.
And the thing about the theories of history is I think there is truth in all of them, but not the entire truth in all of them.
And I do actually agree in large part with a lot of Carlisle's great men of history.
I think you can see this, but I think you're also correct to say, well, the cometh the hour, cometh the man, as in the circumstances have to be appropriate for a great man to be able to take the reins and direct events as he chooses.
And this is, unfortunately, I think, the problem that the right has fallen into, which is the assumption that we can just live our lives, we can do our jobs, we can get on with our businesses, we can do all of those things, see our families, we can just be normal people, and we can expect one champion to take control and lead the charge and we'll vote for him, we'll donate to his crowdfunding campaigns, and the problem will be solved.
And actually, that's one way of doing things, but it's possibly not the most guaranteed way of doing things.
Because actually, you're putting a lot of chips on one fellow, and if he falls, then all of that falls with him.
Which is really, I think, the problem we're finding now, because you'll notice that the left doesn't have any leaders, right?
Who would you trust to lead the left?
Joe Biden?
Gavin Newsom?
You know, the leaders the left has gets destroyed by the machinery of the left, like Bernie Sanders, for example.
But then you've got to ask yourself, okay, well, what is actually underpinning the impetus, the forward momentum that they have.
And you realize it is this web, this international web of activist organizations that are highly funded, incredibly well organized, and have a deep investment in building the future they want to see.
And that's not what the right does.
And so even when we have this great man, there is this massive well of pushback.
And so he would have to be a really remarkable man.
And as much as I love Donald Trump, you know, he's, I'm not sure anyone is up to that task on their own.
And really the right should be thinking, right, okay, we need to get our institutions,
we need to get our activists, we need, like I said, an army of bureaucrats and lawyers
and people who will turn up, even when it's not fun and popular to turn up,
because that's one of the main ways that the left has won anything, actually.
It's just by turning up when it was not a pleasant thing to do.
I always give the example of, I used to be part of the Humanist Society in Britain.
I used to go to their meetings, and I went to this one meeting when social justice
was first becoming a major thing in 2014, I think it was.
And there was a young woman there who was just taking the coats on the door,
but she was the one who was the really woke person in the room.
And I essentially got, I didn't get thrown out, but I got kind of,
Um, sidelined, shall we say, in any discussions, because she was leading the discussions and I had voiced my objection to social justice.
And the only reason she was leading these discussions is because she was the one who turned up on a rainy Thursday afternoon to take the coats.
You know, it's not a cool or popular thing.
Let me, let me drill down.
I have so many questions that I want to dig deep on with you, but let me dig down on that for a second.
So my wife, who sane and hates politics. Right now she's spending most of
her waking hours knocking on doors in Virginia to make sure people go and vote. She's actually
been giving, she's organizing 900 addresses for people to knock on doors. And she tells
me she hates it. She's not an extrovert. She doesn't want to go out and knock on
strangers' doors. But she's doing it because she realizes the stakes. Every seat in the
Senate and the House is up for grabs in our Commonwealth. And we've got to win this time.
Why, have you identified why?
She's right. She's right. Sorry, this is the alert, the weather alert the Feds have foisted
upon us today.
Um, we'll see.
Why is it?
Is there a reason the left is good at corralling people to do the drudge work and the things that we just don't go out to do?
And is it just as simple as, well, they're the collectivists, therefore, why do we not do the homework that has to be done to win, Carl?
So you'll notice through your own experience, and anyone listening to this will know that when they look at a group of leftist activists, They're not looking at the world's best and brightest.
They're not looking at business leaders.
They're not looking at people who have families.
They're not looking at people who have an upward trajectory in their lives.
And the activity of being a left-wing activist becomes a kind of ersatz replacement for not having a successful life.
And I'm not trying to... No, you're not.
They're providing meaning.
Exactly.
Where people on the right are usually, I mean you see loads of articles saying this, well fit and healthy people tend to be right wing, successful people tend to be right wing, well guilty I guess, right?
But this means that we've got this kind of Lenin-esque coalition of weird people on the left who actually are kind of social misfits and they're looking for not just meaning but acceptance.
And they've found both of these things in the continual termite chewing away at the roots of our
civilization.
And then they get paid for it by Democrats and the big NGO complex, upon which people
like Soros and Bill Gates and whoever else, all of these billionaires funnel all of their
money, right?
Because they believe in a messianic future that they think they can bring about.
And of course, if you've got hordes of losers who've got nothing better to do, can't really
get any jobs anywhere else.
And then you're like, look, all you have to do is tell people about essentially your personal
faith and go proselytize these people.
We'll pay you to do it and we'll give you an enemy that you can attack, often physically,
and we will see that the Soros DAs protect you, the law will be on your side, the police
will treat you with kid gloves, and the media will back you to the hilt.
And all the politicians, apart from those evil right-wingers who never really get anything
done anyway, they'll all sing your praises.
Well, that's kind of a siren song, isn't it?
Well, you've got an invested class of people who will go on forever doing this.
It's deeply ironic that it's that side of the political aisle that, you know, killed God, got rid of religion, but they've actually manufactured a religion to give meaning to all those people who otherwise would not be successful.
And they become the foot soldiers.
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That is something I've been harping on since I was in the White House, my gosh, what was that, six, seven years ago?
Concerning the disparity between the good guys, the patriots, and those who are destroying our civilization in terms of Who actually has taken the time and the money to build an ecosystem to realize their objectives?
Play cut.
When you tell people you've lost and you can't win, then everyone says, well then what am I doing?
I'm not trying to say that it can't be done.
What I'm saying is, given the way that the war works now, the right is just not equipped to win the war.
That's the problem.
We know exactly how this war can be won because we can see exactly how the left is winning it.
The problem is that the right has just got no organisational skills and no defined end goal.
The right should have some clear view of what they want the country to look like.
Because the left absolutely have a clear view.
It's just monstrous.
And they're working to implement this.
And so the right knows, or should know by this point, it needs billionaire backing, it needs NGOs, it needs an army of bureaucrats, and it needs weird, obsessive people on social media to constantly reinforce every single thing this structure does.
And it needs to start consciously trying to take castles, like institutions of influence, and maintain them, actively gatekeep against left-wing People infiltrating them in return, which is precisely what they do, and make sure that every... Like, I mean, look at universities, where something like 95% of professors are left-wing.
Like, that... Okay, where's the 95% right-wing ones?
Where are these institutions the right has already lost almost every...
Yeah, there's one.
Great, great.
There's Hillsdale and there's Grove City.
Out of how many hundreds of universities?
So, um, okay.
I love this, this concept, this image of the, we have to take their castles.
But to do that, you have to have the bench.
You have to have the investors.
You have to have the billionaires.
I don't want to get anybody down, because, you know, I'm not gonna leave the fight unless I'm, you know, dead on a pile of brass.
We can't build this overnight.
If they have, literally, the latest polling, 95% of university professors vote Democrat and donate to the Democrat party, is this doable in terms of the existential crisis is now, Carl?
Can we build the plane while we're flying it?
Great question.
Anything has taught me that it's never over.
It's the Reconquista of Spain.
Literally, like, 90% of Spain was owned by the Moors.
And yet, the Spaniards... By the Muslims.
And yet, the Christians kept on going.
It took them 800 years, and that's not the timeline I'd like to see, but they just kept going, and eventually they won.
And so, I...
I'm being brutally honest when I lay out just the circumstances in which the right finds itself.
They're not enviable.
We're losing the war at the moment, but it's never too late.
Like you say, while we've still got breath in our bodies, it's never too late.
We can still do things.
The best time to build things was yesterday, but the second best time is now, right?
So whatever it is that you think is worthy of support, go and send that 10 pounds or $10, sorry,
you know, whatever it is, whatever it is you think, even if it's in small ways,
because when millions of people act in small ways, you get a massive outcome.
And this is what, and again, I hate to say this is what the left has done,
but that's genuinely what their plan has been this whole time, you know?
So just everyone's got a part, even if it's only a small part,
but we have to start moving and we have to start moving with a shared goal as well.
And that was the first part of your comment, that we don't have a shared goal.
Now, conservatives, from the word, are there to conserve the values that we know work.
If they have been destroyed, we're not conservatives anymore because we have to rebuild or re-inculcate those values, correct?
So, do we need a ground-up redefinition of who we are?
Well, that's a big, big ask, right?
So, as many of the listeners will know, I used to be like a new atheist, left-winger.
And it was only through really studying the root and branch of not only liberalism, but the Enlightenment itself, that I realized that actually there was a lot left unsaid and assumed in it.
And when those things, and this was Christianity, by the way, and when that's taken away, then You find yourself in a kind of wilderness that's cold and barren and unable to really bring about the richness of human life.
If you don't know the antecedents, you mean?
Yes, because a lot of these things are not well articulated in a rational fashion.
They're felt.
They're really emotionally It's a build up that is within you.
This is what C.S.
Lewis called the men with chest.
You have a love of the things around you.
You don't have to have this explained to you.
It's just in your heart or it's not in your heart.
And so it's difficult for us to formulate a doctrine for something that isn't really a doctrine.
It's a way of life.
But I was thinking about it and I think there are probably five points That we can frame, and I think I will frame these in a secular way, although I appreciate that religious people will say, well hang on a second, I view a lot of those as being synonyms for God, and that's undoubtedly true, and you can definitely claim that the source of these is God, but what I'm thinking is you want to speak to people who aren't already part of the flock.
You've got these five formulated, correct?
Yes.
All right, stand by, okay?
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It seems like our guest came prepared.
He's got the five things that have to be done to save Western civilization.
I have an inkling, or a hope, this will be the basis for his book on how to save the West.
Carl Benjamin, walk us through.
Give us the guideposts for how we have to proceed.
So, I haven't got five steps, as it were, but I have five principles, five values, five things that everyone on the right, and this is a big tent, I think it's important to remember, that everyone on the right can actually rally around.
Because one of the problems that the Conservatives have is that we frame ourselves in oppositional terms.
We aren't what the left is doing.
But the left actually has an affirmative doctrine of values.
that they are pushing towards. And this is why in the absence of the right, they are able to make such a headway.
Whereas conservatives, as soon as the left say disappears, if it was to disappear from existence tomorrow,
conservatives wouldn't know what they were supposed to be doing.
They would just know they were no longer under attack.
And I think it's actually worth properly articulating what we are supposed to be doing as conservatives.
So the first one is, of course, truth.
This is the very basis of all good things in the world.
This is, of course, and you'll notice with every single one of these things I'm going to say, it is the antithesis of what the left believes.
It is the very root and branch of what they're attacking in our civilizations.
But in the absence of the left, we still have a plan, right?
So truth in all things, of course, justice.
And that means that a person gets what they deserve Not that they are treated as a victim of society.
That is what they call social justice.
If you have to prefix justice with something, it is no longer justice.
In fact, usually it is the inverse.
It's injustice.
The next thing is, of course, beauty.
Now, you might think, well, hang on, that's a strange thing to want to include in this value set.
No, actually, again, you can see the pictures of this all the time.
The attractive young lady goes off to university, is indoctrinated into leftism, shaves off her hair,
start piercing her face and tattooing her body, and then does terrible things and gains 500 pounds, right?
They deliberately destroy beauty.
Beauty is a value of Western civilization.
And it's closely tied with truth and justice.
These things, again, these are spiritual and cosmic views.
But it's good that we can frame them in a secular way because there are going to be lots of people
the center left who will respond positively to these things.
I think it's time we start trying to reach out to those people and say, look, we actually have an affirmative plan of our own.
So the next thing, of course, is family.
I don't need to explain how the left are destroying families, do I?
And then the fifth thing is probably I mean, they're all as important as each other, but of course it's country.
You know, our countries are our patrimony that we hand down to our children and our grandchildren.
And like I said, I don't need to explain that the left is trying to actively destroy all of those things.
And so it's time for us to make an affirmative commitment to these things.
And so if the left For some reason takes the day off and stays in bed and gets high and doesn't come out to destroy for that day.
We can at least build something slowly by focusing on these values and saying, right, what will improve the honesty of our civilization?
Truth, justice, beauty, family and country.
Are you deliberately leaving out God so that it is as inclusive as possible?
Or is this a remnant of your former life?
It's both, to be honest, right?
So I am unfortunately still an atheist, and I get a lot of Christians saying, look, are you sure?
And I'm like, yeah, it's kind of like I'm disabled in a way, right?
Because I just don't have, like, the spark in it.
I don't know how to describe it.
I wouldn't want to do it inauthentically, right?
But it's become evident that there's great value in religion, especially Christianity.
Because it's the tradition of the West, you know, we can't pretend that that can just be thrown out and everything will be fine and normal.
Well, I mean, I look at these things and, you know, they're so intertwined with the history of Christianity.
I mean, just the concept of truth and justice, there has to be a source for that.
God as well is tied to beauty, so I love it.
We'll get you there, you and Jordan Peterson, we'll get you on the train sooner or later.
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We have to address what we've witnessed in the last two and a half years, Carl, and also in the last, what, 18 hours.
This is President Trump outside the New York court where he's having to appear every single day.
To face a barrage of manufactured charges where there are no victims, literally no victims.
And he had a very salutary conclusion in his latest press conference.
And you see what's happening.
This is a railroad.
And it's the beginning of communism in our country.
This is the beginning of communism.
I used to make fun of conservatives when I moved here 15 years ago from Europe, Carl, when they said, oh, the socialists are here, the commies are here, and I used to say, really?
Can I talk to you about the scars on my father's body from where the secret police actually tortured him in a real communist, you know, prison?
I don't laugh at them anymore, and I definitely don't laugh when that man says it.
How worried are you that the lack of ecosystem The conservatives have failed to build, as we've discussed, leads to what we are witnessing.
The leader of the opposition facing 730 years in prison because he happens to be beating the current incumbent in the polls.
Well, I mean, you've just summarized exactly why this is happening.
This stems from the Genuine impulses of communism, right?
So a lot of people will say, I'm not a communist.
I'm a social Democrat, but I do want to see Donald Trump go to jail.
And that belies a fundamental break from what you could call the sort of pre-2000s Democrat tradition, which is understanding that no, we are all, you are all countrymen and the opposition has moral legitimacy.
They deserve to exist.
And actually, one of the important parts about the transfer of power is that the current regime does not persecute the previous one.
And this is why we, well, we used to look down at banana republics in the South Americas and other places as being fundamentally not democratic and illegitimate, because this is what they did.
And America has arrived at that place.
I never thought it happened in my lifetime, to be honest.
Given that we're here to talk solutions, I'd love to get your take.
I know you're a foreigner, but so was Alexis de Tocqueville.
Your reaction to the screams from putative conservatives yesterday?
Oh, there's chaos!
Oh, we've lost our speaker!
And now, it seems as if we may actually get a conservative speaker with Jim Jordan throwing his hat into the ring.
I just said yesterday, it may be a little a-strategic what happened yesterday, but sometimes you need a bit of a purging fire, and sometimes a bit of chaos can be creative.
Do you have a take on what's happening here in Washington DC, Carl?
Yeah, Godspeed to Matt Gaetz.
He's doing exactly the right thing.
Every single roadblock to the genuine, the MAGA agenda, and I mean this, if they're not spouting MAGA, MAGA, MAGA every single day, In every way, in every circumstance, get them out, get them out, get them out.
Matt Gaetz doing the Lord's work, says this atheist, to save his country.
He is doing the right thing.
Keep going.
Again, every single one of them, you know, the Lindsey Grahams and the Mitch McConnells, get every single one of them out and there should be an active campaign from the MAGA conservatives, the actual patriots of America, to look and go, right, who has betrayed us here?
Who has collaborated with the Democrats and the left in destroying the country?
I mean, how many illegals did Joe Biden let cross the border?
Something like six million And they were just the recognised ones.
It's like, look, that's the dissolution of a nation.
That is unacceptable.
And then to add on just layer after layer of the betrayals.
Oh, we're going to screw you with your taxes.
We're going to screw you with the quality of your money.
That used to be a hanging offence in England 200 years ago.
You know that, right?
Debasing the currency would get you hanged.
And yet they do it every day.
They just throw out money like it's a normal thing.
Oh, no, no, we're just ruining your purchasing power.
We're just ruining your work.
We're stealing from you by printing money.
And again, everything, just the energy independence, the geopolitical position of the United States,
the respect that America used to command that is now gone.
All of these things you should look at as basically forms of treason and think, right, okay, which Republicans cooperated?
Which ones didn't, like, object in every single way in any way they could?
Like I said, Godspeed Matt Gaetz.
I hope more conservatives like him come to the fore and you can actually start winning this.
Why does it always take a foreigner?
Why is a prophet never recognizing his own... It's because we can see both sides really clearly.
That's why.
Because you guys are in it, right?
It's like this.
We're stood back and we can see both sides.
And as a sympathetic observer and friend of the United States, I look at it and think, God, you guys are so close to having what I suppose you would call a revolutionary movement in the Republican Party.
Getting really back to your roots.
We're close.
We're really close.
This is European tyranny that the Democrats are introducing into the United States.
Let's talk about that side, the tyrannical side.
I don't want to have wishful thinking and Pollyannishness take over.
We are seeing signs right now of the revolution eating itself.
You know, when the governor of New York says, Oh, illegals, don't come to our state because our hotels are full.
We can't rely upon it.
But is it possible that in the near future, they're just going to eat each other, Carl?
Yes, but eating each other is a general feature of the left.
It has not stopped them in 200 years.
So you can't expect that to take them down.
But what you can do is remember that these are weaknesses, these are cracks in the coalition that you could exploit.
And so if you had savvy Republican activists who were, say, organizing 20 or 30 people to get on the ground in those places and actually start just petitioning, because the argument for the Republicans for the right has just never been stronger, right?
Look at the catastrophe that is Democrat cities.
Now, in the past few days, there have been some very high profile murders of Democratic activists and journalists.
Who have long preached the dark word of socialism and the forgiveness of crimes and the spreading of wealth.
And they have been murdered by people with criminal records.
Now, this I feel is a tragedy.
And actually, you do see the few Republicans who are like, ha, they had it coming.
I think that's the wrong attitude, actually.
I think these should be used as an example of why the Democrats are failing everywhere, all the time.
Great minds on my TV show on Sunday, I'll be focusing on one of them, a Philadelphia gay activist called Josh Kruger, who tweeted Again and again and again, sarcastically about how Philly's great and I saw a crime, what crime wave?
I saw a friend get a parking ticket and on Monday night as Congressman Quayla, a Democrat, was carjacked in D.C., Josh Kruger was stabbed to death seven times in his home in Philadelphia.
So yes, we need to use this as a Damascene moment.
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Well, now we have our names out there and a lot of us are being cancelled.
I was nuked twice on YouTube.
Banned for life, I guess.
How much are you concerned that that is one of the biggest obstacles we face?
Or is simply the diffusion of information on our side?
I am worried about it, and I'm genuinely worried about what's happening towards Rumble at the moment, because of course Rumble came into the line of fire by defending Russell Brand's right to be monetised on their platform, because of course he has just had a very dark series of allegations made against him, but no criminal charges have been brought at all.
There's been no police investigation, there's nothing.
Except a member of a committee of parliament kind of unilaterally said he's guilty.
Yes, an MP called Caroline Dinan, I think, Dinanan or something.
I can't remember exactly how to pronounce her name.
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Uh, asking, oh, Russell Brown surely isn't monetized on the platform.
We wouldn't want him making money on your platform, which just happens to be a violation of clause 39 of the Magna Carta, which actually is one of the few, there are only four clauses of the Magna Carta still in force.
And clause 39 is one of them, which is, uh, no one should be deprived of their property or put, or I can't remember the exact wording, but it's sort of like, uh, have action taken against them in any way, except by the lawful judgment of their peers and the law of the land.
Of course, Dame Caroline Dinnage has not done this.
This has been an executive action on her part, not even going through the committee, as I understand it.
So this is genuinely a violation of the most sacred and hallowed laws of England.
Unlike the way Nancy Pelosi stated before she was kicked out of her position that Donald Trump will have an opportunity to prove his innocence.
Not how it works, Nancy!
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