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Pass the bills that need passed do the oversight work that needs to be done and stop the inevitable
Omnibus that comes from the United States Senate right before the holidays
Kevin McCarthy has been rock solid on all three.
We have passed the bills we told the American people we would pass.
87,000 IRS agents, that bill passed.
Parents' Bill of Rights, that bill passed.
Energy legislation passed.
Border security, immigration enforcement legislation, the strongest bill ever to pass the Congress, passed earlier this year.
We have done what we told them we were going to do.
We can't help if the Senate won't take up those good, common-sense bills.
They'll have to answer to the American people come Election Day.
Oversight.
We have done the oversight that we're supposed to do.
Because of our oversight, we know that parents were targeted by the Department of Justice.
Because of our oversight, we know that 51 former intel officials misled the country weeks before the most important election we have.
And because of our oversight...
The Disinformation Governance Board at the Department of Homeland Security is gone.
Because of our oversight, the memo attacking pro-life Catholics has been rescinded.
Because of our oversight, unannounced visits to Americans' homes by the Internal Revenue Service has stopped.
That happened under Speaker McCarthy.
And on the third one, on this side of the—we know there's a big old ugly bill coming at the end of the year, all kinds of spending, all kinds of garbage in it.
We're still in that fight.
Frankly, to Matt's point, we don't know how that one's going to shake out.
But we do know this.
We do know this.
On Saturday, we didn't take the Senate's bill.
They tried to send over and shove it down our—throw it on—we didn't take that bill.
And it was a tough position he was in.
There were five options on the table last week.
Option one was to send a long-term CR over there.
That would have leveraged the 1% cut, something a bunch of us voted for.
Both parties couldn't get the votes for that one.
I like Jim Jordan, but I've heard enough.
Right now the vote is progressing in the House concerning the motion to vacate the chair, meaning to fire Kevin McCarthy from his position as Speaker of the House.
We will keep you updated and hopefully when Matt gets back on the floor, he was speaking literally four minutes ago, we'll pipe some of that in.
But I want to give you my take first.
Yes, Jim.
We know a lot more.
We know a lot more about what the FBI and what the DOJ was doing to conservatives, to parents at school board meetings.
But that's not enough.
Let's go back to Matt Gaetz.
He's on the mic right now.
We are on a fast track to an omnibus bill, and it is difficult to champion oversight when House Republicans haven't even sent a subpoena to Hunter Biden.
So it's hard to make the argument that oversight is the reason to continue when it sort of looks like failure theater.
I yield such time as you may consume to my colleague from Arizona, Mr. Biggs.
Failure theater.
I'm going to remember that one.
My job title was Strategist in the White House.
And I have a thing for that.
I have more books on strategy than probably anything else, even more than science fiction.
I know that will shock Jeff, but it is true.
I love the art of strategy.
Thinking the big thing.
Making sure you have a plan to achieve that which is important.
That's the job of a strategist, of a strategic thinker.
To first know what's important and then I have a plan to achieve it.
And I may be risking being a strategic for a moment and indulge me.
Sometimes there are points at which You just have to take a stand.
It may not be strategic to climb over the top of the trench.
It may not be strategic to run out into the highway to save a child.
It may not be strategic to do many things that, likewise, are right.
They may not be the right thing in the long term, but they might just be the most important thing now.
And I look at two things specifically.
I look at the promises that were made nine months ago, after those four days, those horrific four days, Of back and forth that finally led to Kevin McCarthy being elected the Speaker.
So I look at the promises he made back then.
And then I look at the last nine months.
And I'm just not having it.
I'm just not satisfied.
Yes, I get it!
That what Matt Gaetz is doing is throwing a wrench into the works.
I know that In all likelihood, there's nobody.
Nobody, not even... Byron Donalds, I think.
Was it Eric?
Was it Byron Donalds who got like 18 votes or something back in January?
Yeah, he basically became the default opposition nominee for a while.
The default.
He got 18 or something, or 28, it doesn't matter.
Whether it's Byron Donalds or anyone else, there is no person right now...
Who could have the requisite votes to replace Kevin.
But you know what?
I don't care.
It's time to make a stand.
And for all of you out there, a friend of mine, a conservative host on his show was saying, oh well, you can't vote against Kevin because you know what he's gonna do?
He's gonna just go to the Democrats and he'll get enough Democrats to vote with the RINOs to keep him in power.
And my response is, good.
If Kevin McCarthy were to use the votes of the people who are destroying America, not who want to, but who are right now destroying America, and he maintains his grip on the speakership because He's enough of a prostitute that he'll sell his soul to the Democrats to keep himself in power?
Well then, great!
Why?
Why is that good, Gawker?
Are you crazy?
Because if that's what he does, then everyone on our side will finally know who Kevin McCarthy is.
Now, let me put a caveat.
Let me put a bow on it.
I don't think he'd do that.
A, I don't think he's evil.
He's not Mitch McConnell.
Marklevin is right on this.
There's a big difference between Kevin McCarthy and Mitch McConnell.
Mitch McConnell is on the dark side, okay?
He's working for the deep state.
He's working for the Democrats.
He's working for the Uniparty.
Kevin isn't.
Kevin just wants to get by.
He's not a strong man, but he's not evil.
I don't think he'd make that deal with the Democrats, but if he did, great!
Because then we'd know he's just another Mitt Romney.
He's just another Paul Ryan.
He's just another fraud.
There is a moment when you need cleansing.
You need a purification by fire.
And if a little bit of chaos, what if the government shuts down for six months?
By the way, everybody in government who doesn't get paid, guess what?
I was a government employee when there was a shutdown.
Hmm, what happened afterwards?
I was paid what was owed to me.
Because that's how the swamp works.
Would you notice if you weren't part of the swamp if the government shut down for six months?
What would our position be as patriots?
Afterwards, I tell you it would be a damn sight stronger than it is right now.
Just look at the border.
What has the Republican Party done to stop 12,000 illegals crossing the border every day?
60% of the women being raped.
What have they done?
They have the power of the purse in the house!
And they've done jack!
They've done nothing!
It's time for some purification of politics.
I don't know what Matt Gaetz is real.
Motivations are... I don't care.
I've had it with the Republicans.
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Mic's off.
I want everybody to chime in in the break.
Mic's on.
Mic's on.
Back on.
Let's go crazy.
What do you think of what I just said?
No, I especially love that you used the word chaos.
I do fully agree.
Some chaos is good.
Well, that's not a surprise, Eric.
All right.
Alex.
Can you repeat the question?
No, I can't!
Pay attention and never take your headphones off or they will be stapled to your head, Mr. Stark.
Do you agree with my monologue?
Oh, absolutely.
Okay, good.
Jeff, am I crazy?
Um, this is a question of do I agree with your monologue, part of it.
Okay, what don't you agree with?
I like the cast, I think it's come back.
No, it's more not only that, but my problem is the people that think McCarthy can be replaced.
He can't be replaced.
He can't be replaced, but don't we need a little bit of chaos right now?
No, I agree with all this, fine.
McCarthy's in a tough position.
He is!
He's worried about the donors and then the base, and those two people hate each other.
Yes!
That's the problem.
I don't think anybody can manage it.
Especially considering he's from California.
The donors there are infinitely more important than the base.
Wow, that's so important.
It's the donors versus the base.
Guy, did you like my monologue?
I love it, sir, and I totally agree with your point of view and also all the thoughts shared by the crew.
Good.
Very diplomatically put.
All right, let's put the sound back on.
Gates should be giving a strategy, I think, a little more.
Yes!
What's the endgame?
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
More concessions?
I would text him that right now.
See Vance on Twitter who keeps making the point that like the the 45-day CR does not include Ukraine aid
So he says, like, if Democrats really are willing to- He says- He's trying to frame it as the Democrats are willing to shut down the government if Ukraine aid is not included in any budget deal, so.
That'd be one angle I think it'd be worth taking.
No, of course not.
She has an iron fist.
What?
Alex was asking if this kind of infighting happened with the Dems under Pelosi, and I said, no, she isn't on our fist.
But then he made the point, doesn't this make us look weak compared to the Dems who at least have their act together?
At least as far as unity is concerned.
And I'm like, I don't know.
I mean, if we're unified under a bad leader, is that really... Alright, we got him on Skype.
Okay, good good good good good Yeah
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To the Democrat judge from the clubhouses, it's a disgrace.
They ought to look for the murderers and the killers that are all over New York, killing people.
And the violent crime that's being committed in our city and our state is disgraceful, and we're going to be here for months.
With a judge that already made up his mind, it's ridiculous.
He's a Democrat judge, he's an operative, and it's ridiculous.
Other than that, things went very well.
Other than that, things went well.
That was President Trump outside the New York court yesterday.
He's back there today.
Can you imagine how much this is costing New York?
Just the security arrangements.
I have so many questions as to what is going on inside the courtroom.
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Congressman Massey is talking right now on the floor.
The motion for a vote on Kevin McCarthy to vacate the chair continues.
We will keep you updated.
But let's talk about what happened in New York yesterday, what's happening today with the man who knows above all else, emeritus professor of law at Harvard University, the author most recently of the book which describes what's happening, Get Trump!
The Threat to Civil Liberties, Due Process, and our Constitutional Rule of Law, Professor Alan Dershowitz.
Welcome back to America First.
Well, thank you.
You know, I named my book after a politician's campaign pledge.
She said she promised to get Trump.
If you elect me, I'll get Trump.
And if I don't get Trump, you won't reelect me.
So she's now in the process of getting Trump.
She couldn't have a better judge in that process.
He's already ruled essentially against him on all the important Hang on, can you explain that?
his lawyers outrageously because they repeated an argument that was right.
That was right. You know I've been a lawyer for 60 years. I constantly repeat
my arguments. Why? If you don't repeat them they'll say you waived it. Moreover
if you repeat it maybe maybe there's an open-minded judge who might change his
mind. Hang on, can you explain that? So what was the substance of the sanction of the
president's attorneys?
It's not the $7,500.
It's if you're sanctioned, you can't appear in other courts without disclosing the sanction and they may turn you down.
What happened is the 65 Project said they were going to go after every lawyer who ever defended Trump.
So I offered to represent any such lawyer free.
And what do you think the 65 Project did?
It filed a bar complaint against me, which meant I couldn't go to court and defend these other people.
So a sanction against a lawyer is fairly serious.
And this sanction It's patently absurd.
You're allowed to repeat your arguments for emphasis.
It's done over and over again.
So the sanction was because they emphasized by repetition that that was wrong?
That's right.
And it was and they were right, by the way.
The judge was wrong and they were right.
Their arguments were absolutely correct on the merits.
And the Court of Appeals may find that someday if an objective Court of Appeals gets this case.
Look, the essential argument that Trump is making is look, Why is the Attorney General spending the money of New York to protect banks?
Banks have the ability to protect themselves.
They're not the people who need to be protected.
It's people on the streets who need to be protected.
Moreover, the ruling that says you don't need to have intent to commit fraud, fraud means the very Fraud means an intentional effort to try to mislead people.
And then, of course, the judge focuses on Mar-a-Lago and implies, maybe he didn't say it directly, but implies that maybe Mar-a-Lago is only worth between $18 and $27 million.
I'll tell you what, why don't we chip in, buy $27 million, and tomorrow we could sell it for 20 times that amount.
We'll both be rich people.
Alright, I'm not sure I can get the boss to sell it, but yeah, your point is well taken.
It's absurd.
Let me ask you about what happened last week.
What is the truth about did his attorneys make a mistake?
Why isn't this happening without a jury?
The fact that the judge just unilaterally says, shut down your businesses, they're fraudulent.
How does that happen?
How does a judge get to do that, Professor?
Okay, everybody on both sides has been misrepresenting this issue.
The fact that there was summary judgment means the judge has said, it doesn't matter whether you have a jury trial or not, I'm ruling that no fact finder, not a jury or not a judge, gets to hear this case.
It's already been decided.
I've decided it as a judge.
So it wouldn't have mattered had they sought a jury trial or didn't get a jury trial.
Even in a jury trial, you can make a motion as the state did for summary judgment and take the case away from the jury.
That's what's happened here.
Do we have protections against any capricious use of that?
If a judge can just say, I am the king and I will declare, does that mean that everybody is just a hostage to the appeals process?
Well, you know, Thomas Jefferson asked the same question.
And that's why the Seventh Amendment, drafted by his close friend Madison, includes the right to have all facts decided by A jury, and it shall not be reexamined by any other court.
The framers of the Constitution intended facts to be found by juries, but the courts have said no.
If the case is so clear that there's no possible argument that you could make that would create a jury issue, then the judge can take it away from the jury, and judges are much too fast to do that.
Because they don't like jury trials.
Jury trials are cumbersome.
They would rather be the king.
They would rather be above the law and say, look, I don't care what the real estate people in Conveit say.
I don't care what Zwillow says.
I think that Mar-a-Lago is only worth between $18 and $27 million.
So I'm going to rule in that way, and I'm not going to give the lawyers a chance to persuade a jury to the contrary.
It's not in the spirit of the American Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
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Or is that fallacious as well?
The lawyers could have checked the box that asked for a jury trial.
Don't know whether the judge would have granted it.
Wouldn't have changed his mind on summary judgment.
But I can't fault, without knowing more, I can't fault the lawyers.
And what is the genesis of the summary judgment powers?
That just seems so dangerous.
Made up by judges, approved by Congress, just a way of circumventing the Seventh Amendment, plainly.
Fact questions should go to the jury.
The issue of how much Mar-a-Lago was worth alone, obviously, should go to a jury.
Um, and the judge shouldn't be able to find facts this way, but, uh, New York law on this issue is very up in the air because this is very technical and you probably don't want to handle it, but it finds what's called equity in law.
There are certain powers that the judge has that are equitable powers, for example, to remove the licenses.
And that doesn't usually go to a jury.
Equity doesn't have a jury, but matters of law do have a jury.
And it's very unclear in this combined case what issues would have gone to the jury and what wouldn't have if they had checked that box.
Incredible.
I mean, the power to just rescind somebody's business licenses, it's incredible.
It's incredible.
It's Stalinist.
It's not the way it should be in America.
Are you familiar with this Arthur N. Gurren?
Have you had run-ins with him?
I have not, but everybody says he's a showboat.
Well, just that mugging for the camera yesterday and that big grin, I think, tells you what you need to know.
I'm going to use the cut from The Judge.
Cut 10 with The Professor.
And then what else do we have?
We have cut five of Trump.
We have cut five.
I'll use that with the Lord Black.
Okay.
Most of the cuts are related to the Gates thing, I think.
Yeah.
All right.
T-up cut ten.
Come in.
I'll T-up.
Come in with... Yes.
Oh, send them my best, please.
Oh, I shall.
I shall.
I will.
He'll be at the top of the next hour.
Come in with the Congress, and then we'll do the read, and then I'll tee up the cut from the judge, and then I'll go to the professor.
What's the read for this segment?
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Oh, it's Scalise.
I can't understand why Scalise, like, wouldn't...
This would be his chance.
Like, why he just wouldn't.
Yeah, because I think he knows he doesn't have the votes.
I would think he would.
I mean, that's me personally, but... No, he wouldn't.
There's 20 guys.
You can't be speaking with 20 guys.
Well, yeah, but I mean, he's number two in the house.
It doesn't matter.
You need, you know, ten times that number.
30 seconds.
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Professor Dershowitz, let me play to you a video clip I found of the judge from the latest case in New York, Arthur N. Gorin, with his philosophy of what it means to be a judge.
I'd love you to react.
Play cut.
Now I'm going to say something controversial, even while I'm being taped.
Juries get it wrong a lot.
That's my own opinion.
I do only civil trials, personal injury cases, contract disputes, but I've had situations where like, oh my, my, heaven's sake, how could they have thought that?
Well, I have a tool that I can deal with that.
It's called judgment notwithstanding the verdict.
I can say there is no possible way that a reasonable jury would have reached that conclusion.
Am I following the law or am I making law?
Okay.
I'm following law.
I'm an impartial referee.
But it's hard to factor out my own emotions.
And I have tools.
Somebody can say, well, Your Honor, you have to throw out this case because it's just like another case.
Well, is it just like another case?
What if the defendant was wearing a red sweater instead of a blue sweater?
I'm no lawyer, but I find that peculiar.
First, his open disregard for the jury and how he has quote-unquote tools if they come to the wrong decision.
And then the idea that, well, a case could be different because the defendant has a different color sweater on.
I find that outré.
You, Professor?
Worse, much worse than that.
He should go back and read the Bible.
The Bible commands judges two things.
Don't take bribes.
Okay, that's obvious.
The second in the Hebrew is lo takir panim, do not recognize faces, do not base decisions on the color of the sweater, or the color of the person, or the name of the person, or the party of the person.
And what this judge is admitting is that, yeah, he has these tools, these tools that allow him to permit his emotional favoritism to apply.
You know, it's exactly the kind of power that, again, Thomas Jefferson and the framers of the Constitution wanted to deny judges.
He wanted to give them to we, the people, the jury.
And he's taking it.
He doesn't like juries.
He thinks he's smarter than juries.
He thinks the juries get it wrong.
Well, juries think he gets it wrong.
And I suspect, as Jefferson once said, put a problem to a philosopher or a judge, Or a plowman, you're just as likely to get a good answer from the plowman.
He doesn't believe in Jefferson.
He doesn't believe in democracy.
He doesn't believe in Jackson's democracy.
He believes in elitism, that judges are smarter and therefore should get to make the decisions about which facts are true.
So far, he's proved to be anything but wise on these issues.
If his statements about Mar-a-Lago are to be given any weight whatsoever.
We have hardly any time left, just a few seconds.
I'd love to get you back for a longer discussion explicitly on your book, but your prediction for this case and the fact that more than 80% of the accusations are beyond the statute of limitations?
You don't have to be Nostradamus to predict that he'll rule against Trump in every possible respect.
That's why he doesn't want to be on television.
That's why he ruled against our right to watch this case on television, to sit in judgment of him.
As the Romans said, who will guard the guardians?
Who will judge the judges?
And we're supposed to be able to judge the judges, but not if he blacks us out of television.
That was a terrible Terrible mistake to make.
What a fabulous quote from the Old Testament.
The judge must not recognize faces.
I hope you'll join us for a longer discussion.
The book is Get Trump.
Thank you so much, Professor Alan Dershowitz.
I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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Riley, welcome back to America First!
Well, thank you so much for having me on.
All right, so for anybody who's been under a rock for the last two years and aren't aware of your story, before we talk about your new center at the Leadership Institute and what you're going to do on October the 10th, will you tell us why you're so famous and what it has to do with somebody called Will Thomas?
So I swam my whole life, right?
Like most competitive athletes do and made it to the highest level, did all of the Olympic, all of the things.
I had accomplished some really awesome things.
My senior year, ready to go for our national championships, which is the meat you work all your life for.
Comparatively, it's faster than the Olympics because the U.S.
has so many fast swimmers.
So geared up, ready to go.
I'm ready to win a national title, which would mean becoming the fastest female in the country.
And all of a sudden, a male enters into the women's category.
Who you just described, Will Thomas, ranked 462nd the year prior when competing against the men to now dominating, competing against the women, winning national titles, beating out Olympians, American record holders.
I mean, the most impressive female swimmers this world has ever seen by body lengths, which is a very large margin in swimming.
And so Thomas and I raced in the 200 freestyle.
And almost impossibly enough, we had tied, meaning we went the exact same time down to the hundredth of a second.
But what really thrusted me over the edge into taking a public stance and acknowledging how this was wrong and harmful to women is after we tied, the NCAA official pulled both Thomas, who's six foot four, by the way, towering over me, Thomas and I out of the water and said, great job you two, but you tied and we only have one trophy.
So we're going to give this trophy to Leah.
Well, Thomas, and when I asked why, why are you adamant on giving this trophy to a man in the women's 200 freestyle?
The NCAA official looked at me and said, well, we've been advised when photos are being taken, uh, that Leah has to have the trophy.
You know, sorry, Riley, you can pose with this one, but again, you give yours back.
Leah takes the trophy.
Hang on, hang on.
You tied down to the hundredth of a second, but quote, we are advised that the guy pretending to be a girl has to get the trophy.
Advised by who?
Well that's what I think all of this, we're trying to get to the bottom of.
Because it's not just happening in sports, it's happening in corporate America, it's happening in the medical profession, it's happening in academia, it's happening in churches even where we're seeing pastors bow down to this craziness.
What I think it is, outside of just spiritual warfare, I think it's about the money, right?
They don't want to deal with lawsuits.
They don't want to lose federal funding.
They're terrified of losing money, and they follow money.
We saw that with Bud Light.
They lost $27 billion, and their next commercial was a big burly man on a motorcycle with a camo can.
Don't go there, guys.
Do not buy Bud Light.
They have to apologize first for what they did to support the extremists.
All right, you're pushing back.
You've been given a new home, the Riley Gaines Center at the Leadership Institute.
We're so excited.
It's teamriley.org.
I support you.
Everyone listening should support you.
Tell us about your first initiative.
I love this idea.
Explain Real Women's Day and why it has to be on October the 10th, Riley.
So I had this idea a couple months ago.
Actually, it was during Women's History Month, which was totally hijacked by men, right?
We saw Hershey's honoring men.
We saw ESPN honoring Leah Thomas as the most brave and courageous and inspiring female athlete.
We saw the NCAA.
I mean, all of these organizations honoring men during Women's History Month.
And so I thought to myself, What can we as real women, we need a day to honor ourselves.
And I thought, trying to be strategic here, I thought of October 10th, which is the 10th day of the 10th month, which in Roman numerals is XX.
And if you remember fifth grade biology, you remember that a female's chromosomes are XX.
And so I have now declared October 10th as Real Women's Day.
There is a petition on therileygaincenter.org where you can jump on, sign the petition to honor real women on October 10th.
We have a lot of really fun things planned for that day to continue gaining traction and momentum to combat this gender ideology craziness and how it specifically affects women even broader than just sports.
She's not just a warrior, she's a well-educated one.
She knows her Latin, Roman numerals.
XX, of course, 1010 for October 10th is when we will be celebrating Real Women's Day.
I hope we get you on the show then.
In the meantime, support Riley and her new team at teamriley.org or you can text the word real, as in real woman, to the number 30102.
That's the word real.
Text it to 30102 or just go to teamriley.org.
Oh, and by the way...
Leah Will Thomas has XY chromosomes.
He will always be a man.
And that's what we're fighting for, the truth.
God bless you!
TeamRiley.org, TeamRiley.org.
I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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Plus, get a high-quality add to that, something from CPAC or what have you, and something from a swim event, if you can find that.
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And then, what's it called?
The interview?
The video?
Rumble.
Um...
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Someone in the Biden White House, do you really think you've got anything for that?
Someone in the Biden White House, do you really think you've got anything for that?
It's a total joke and then finally the welfare to work that the gentleman from Louisiana said we got the welfare
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They're actually gonna grow because while they did work requirements, they blew out those programs with expanded
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Medicaid It probably would have resulted in Medicaid expansion and
when it comes to how those raise money I Take no lecture on asking patriotic Americans to weigh in
and contribute to this fight from those who would grovel and bend knee
For the lobbyists and special interests who own our leadership who have all boo all you want
You have hollowed out this town and have borrowed against the future of our future generations.
I'll be happy to fund my political operation through the work of hard-working Americans
ten and twenty and thirty dollars at a time and you all keep showing up at the lobbyist
fundraisers and see how that goes for you.
I respect that.
I'm done with this.
I'm done with this.
He's...
America First Magnificent.
Why does Gates...
Chef, why does Gates always sit down when we come out of the break?
He talks in the break and then he sits down.
Well, he likes to keep the people on Rumble informed.
That's good for that.
That's good.
We actually do play the feed from this debate in the breaks on Rumble.
So, yeah, I've texted Matt.
We'll see if we can get him on the show in the next hour.
In the meantime, whatever happened to that story of Bowman, Jamal Bowman, and the fire alarm?
It's so weird that...
If he just thought that the fire alarm was going to open the doors, why did he knock down the big signs?
Matt Boyle had this exclusive.
Why did he knock down the big signs?
That we're standing in front of the door saying, do not pull this alarm!
If you do, it will sound!
And he just pushes them away.
So strange.
Anyway, it may be just the fact that they were doors.
They may have confused him.
Here's an explanation from the great, wise one, Whoopi Goldberg.
Cut nine!
I know, Jamal.
And so, again, I'm a little biased, but the doors that are normally open so that he could get to the chambers to read were somehow miraculously closed.
How did that happen?
And so, yes, sometimes you're freaking out, and you're in an elevator, and you're pressing all the buttons.
It goes to what you were saying.
It goes to them not having the time.
It is quite possible that he was trying to get there, and the door... Not panic, but, you know, if you're not looking, because it's a door that's normally open, you just go and you press a button.
Yeah, as John pointed out, our colleague here, doors, they're so challenging.
Hey, Jeff, do you like the Farside cartoons?
Can we at least agree on one thing?
I've seen this before.
I had no idea.
I'm not asking you whether you've seen it.
But I didn't know it was the Farside cartoons.
I liked this, but I didn't know what Farside cartoons is.
John, what do we, how does, how can you be in, I lived in England, okay, for 23 years.
I knew what, John, how does he not know what Farsight is?
I don't know what to tell you at this point, Dr. G. Eric, is he just, is he just doing this to rile me up?
I think there may be a psychotrarian streak in Mr. G here.
Oh, I did say I liked it though.
A slight contrarian streak.
I think if we put that on, like, steroids and some hormones, we'll be closer to the truth.
A slight contrarian streak in our producer.
Let's put up what John found.
This is superb.
It's a, um, Far Side classic with a kid and a binder pushing on a door that says pull and underneath it says Midvale.
School for the gifted.
I immediately reposted it after John sent it to me and I said, At least I found it!
This is the school that Jamal Bowman was principal of for 12 years.
Now we know.
God bless, um, the far side.
A little bit of humor.
We need some.
Alright, we'll be back with the man I'd like to grow up to be, if I ever grow up.
The great Lord Conrad Black.
We'll be hearing about the latest assault on Mike Lindell from Mike himself.
And then, a very special one-on-one.
Stay with us here on AmericanFest.
So if he won't, I will.
I make no apologies for defend- I make no apologies for defend-
That this place deserves single subject spending bills, that we should have 72 hours to read a bill,
that something that spends more than a hundred million dollars shouldn't be put on the suspension agenda such that
we can't amend it, and there shouldn't be secret side deals made on-
On a continuing resolution to lump Ukraine in with border security.
That is not right for Ukraine or border security because it fails to give either of those issues the dignity that they would require.
But we can return that dignity to this house.
We can get back on a better path.
We can have single subject appropriations bills.
We can set a budget, a budget top line.
We haven't had a budget in this place since I was in high school.
Get a budget, let's get our act together, let's get on with it, let's vacate the chair, and let's get a better speaker.
I yield back.
Gentlemen, he yields back his time.
All time for debate has expired.
Without objection, the previous question is ordered on the resolution.
The question is on adoption of the resolution.
Those in favor say aye.
Those opposed, no.
The noes have it.
The resolution is the gentleman from Florida.
I'd request the yays and nays.
The yays and nays are requested.
Those favoring a vote by the yays and nays will rise.
A sufficient number having risen, the yays and nays are ordered.
Pursuant to Clause 3 of Rule 20, the Chair directs the Clerk to conduct the vote by a call of the roll.
The clerk will call the roll alphabetically by surname.
You are watching History in the Making.
Welcome, everybody.
I'm Neil Cavuto.
There has never really been a successful effort in American history to remove a House Speaker, but that could be happening or on the verge of happening.
We just don't know.
This is putting up for a vote a measure that was first sponsored by Florida Congressman Matt Gaetz to remove the Speaker because he hasn't lived up to his job.
They're going to do this verbally so we can hear from each and every member.
Chad Pergram on what's at stake and what's going on here.
Chad.
Neil, good afternoon.
What they're starting right now, they're going to go through this entire roll, 433 members, and call their names and ask whether they support this motion to vacate the chair, to say there is no speaker, or say they do support the fact that they have a speaker.
This is a definitive vote here for Kevin McCarthy.
Uh, basically saying we're trying to oust him.
Uh, Kevin McCarthy indicated earlier this morning that he was confident that he would still be Speaker of the House tonight.
But as I always say, it's about the math.
There were 11 members who voted against him on his side of the aisle, and that just wasn't enough to put this off.
And that's why we've had this debate for about the past hour and 15 minutes here as to whether or not to oust the Speaker.
This gets very squirrely, Neil.
If This motion by Matt Gaetz to vacate the chair carries.
There is no Speaker of the House.
I'll say that again.
If this motion to vacate the chair carries, in other words, there are more yeas than there are nays, there is no Speaker of the House.
What happens then?
This goes back to what we saw in January, January 3rd, the start of the Congress, where the Congress, the House by rule, must vote over and over and over again to elect a new Speaker.
And remember, it took, you know, five days and 15 rounds back in January, and if there's no obvious person to step in, how do you get the votes to become the Speaker right now?
There was a two-week Speaker race in 1849, The record was a two-month speaker race that ran from 1855 into 1856 before they elected Nathaniel Banks, a Republican of Massachusetts.
But again, the key here is whether or not Kevin McCarthy can survive this vote.
This is history that we're watching on the House floor right now.
We have not had a vote of this nature in the House of Representatives since 1910.
That was Joe Cannon, who was Speaker of the House at that point.
There were members of his party who were against him, did not like how he ran the House of Representatives, and they also had a motion to vacate the chair.
And what Joe Cannon did, and this was rather artful on his part to survive, he moved the motion to vacate himself and survive, but he was a weaker Speaker.
Regardless, even if Kevin McCarthy is to survive this roll call vote, he will definitely be a weaker speaker.
He was considered by many to be a quite weaker speaker coming in, simply because he only had a four-seat majority.
And the fact that there were 11 Republicans who voted against him, and I can't tell you definitively here what the magic number is going to be.
Come in with the curtain argument.
Oh, come in with it?
Okay.
Alright, I'm still getting everything.
Do we have Conrad?
Jeff, we do.
Yes, he's up.
Conrad?
Yes, sir?
So much to discuss.
Yes, yes.
Let's start with your article.
Let's start with your take on the debate last week.
Yeah, what a fiasco that was.
Absolutely disastrous.
I almost threw an ashtray at Christy.
At which point?
At the end when he wanted to vote Trump off the island?
No, Donald Duck.
Oh my gosh, so tiresome.
That was pretty bad.
And he was so pleased with what he thought was his jaunty wit, you know?
He's a ludicrous man.
Alright, 40 seconds, stand by.
Oh, this article is already published, yes?
It's out there and it's on Real Clear.
It's all over.
Coming in with the debate card.
Jeff, in the future, we should make buffers of the articles if they're available, if they're already up.
So when I mention them, they'll at least see them on Rumble.
Wait a second, it's boxed up.
. . .
Exactly, Ron.
Secondly, on the $50 million.
Here's a nice part.
Secondly, on the curtains.
Do your homework, Tim, because Obama bought those curtains.
Did you send them back?
It's in the press.
Did you send them back?
It's the State Department.
Did you send them back?
You're the one that works in Congress.
You hung them on your curtains.
They were there before I even showed up at the residence.
You are scrapping.
You are scrapping.
Here's the fact.
You know I've voted on it.
Here's a fact, here's a fact though.
I cut back and he said I voted up on it.
The low point I do believe of last week's presidential primary debate for the GOP seems like it was months ago
given the rate of knots that news is occurring at.
But we must analyze it, especially since our regular guest, one of your favorites, has analyzed it in his latest piece available at Rear Clear Politics and Elsewhere.
That man is, of course, Lord Conrad Black.
Lord Black, welcome back to America First.
Thank you, Sebastian.
Always a pleasure.
They didn't exactly shower themselves with glory, did they?
Not at all.
I hate to criticize the moderators.
I like Dana Perino when I see her, and I like Stuart Barney, but the Hispanic lady was an attractive woman, but she was hard to understand.
I didn't think they organized it properly.
They never should have had that question about who would you, what candidate would you get rid of.
The idea, who are you going to vote off the island as if it's a game show?
I mean that should have been beneath any network.
Yeah, and in fairness that's what DeSantis said.
He said right away that's not what we're here for.
But they shouldn't allow the People to speak over each other.
I mean, they should cut off their microphones.
I mean, you know, in a thing like that, where you've got six or seven people, you've got to strictly address each one and tell them to confine their comments to two minutes or whatever it is.
And, you know, and then force that and cut their microphones off.
But you can't.
I mean, I wouldn't know exactly, but my guess is that 15 or 20 percent of the entire time, It was incomprehensible with people shouting at each other.
Well, you know, that's not a debate.
It's like an argument in a sandbox or something.
And what we opened with, I'm a bit confused speaking English, English as I do.
I thought it's drapes in America, not curtains.
But to have two individuals from the same state get in a screaming match over somebody's curtains, it was just unseemly, Conrad.
Yes.
Yes, it was.
It didn't look like a debate amongst people who should be taken seriously as occupants of the greatest office in the world.
In your latest piece, you used an interesting description.
You said, Vivek Ramaswamy has become an annoying jack-in-the-box.
How so?
Look, I think he's a good thing.
He's a young man who's made a lot of money and has a lot of ideas and speaks well.
All of that is good.
But he interrupts people all the time.
And he should be, I hate to sound like an old dowager here, but he should be a little more polite to older and more experienced people.
He's the newcomer here and he has some duty to show reasonable manners.
I don't think he does.
He's annoying and rude the way he interrupts people all the time.
And then Vice President Pence, the adjective you used for him was tiresome.
Yeah, look, I think he was a good vice president, but his attempt to refer to the Trump-Pence administration as if he was a co-equal member of it, when in fact he would be sitting in Indiana, you know, unknown outside his own state, if it wasn't for the president whom he served, And he is ambivalent about Trump's legal problems, and he shouldn't be.
And he has now started to refer rather sanctimoniously to his rejection of the former president's request that he hold up the confirmation of some of the electors from the swing states where there was a constitutional issue about how the vote counting was conducted.
He now represents that as a great patriotic act.
For which he should be warmly congratulated by everybody.
It was a defensible thing to do, but it's nothing to get so pompous and proud about, in my opinion, because he did have an alternative.
And failure to exercise the alternative confirmed the legally questionable defeat of the administration and brought on this nightmare of misgovernment we've had.
And since the debate, there have been some developments on the other side.
It was teased at the end of last week, allegedly the announcement from Robert F. Kennedy's campaign is about to be imminently made, but he may run as an independent, and if so, here is the prediction.
Yeah, and then the other thing is that I take more votes from President Trump than I do from President Biden.
Right, so why would that help them?
Yeah, it's not helping them.
Yeah.
So RFK Jr., Lord Black, is representing himself as the Ross Perot of the next election, that he will hurt the conservative candidate, President Trump, because he will take votes away from him.
Do you credit that?
No, I think it's absolute rubbish.
I mean, if the Trump campaign finds that he is taking anything, they'll just play up this business that Robert Kennedy Jr.
thinks the CIA murdered his father and his uncle, which is insane.
I mean, I'm no defender of the CIA, and the head of it, Brennan, should be doing community service, you know, helping women get their cats out of trees and in state parks and things, but for, you know, lying under oath to the Congress and his His sponsorship of the Russian collusion hoax, but but that the CIA murdered President Kennedy and Senator Kennedy, that is simply nonsense.
And a member of that family shouldn't be saying that.
The fact is the only votes he's going to take are Democrats who wouldn't approve of the renomination of Biden.
And are nostalgic about the Kennedy name.
I'm not taking anything from Trump.
My thinking, exactly, will be that those nostalgic for Camelot... Which didn't exist, by the way, and wasn't even a musical that President Kennedy liked.
It was a magnificent invention of Jackie's, but that's another matter.
Let's stay on the left.
A darling of the Hollywood left is Bill Maher, who had this statement to make about the current incumbent, vice the current leader of the opposition, Cut Seven.
Someone has to convince President Biden that if he runs again, he's going to turn the country back over to Trump.
And go... And go down in history as Ruth Bader Biden.
The person who doesn't know when to quit, and so does great damage to their party and their country.
Perhaps a better prediction than the one from RFK Jr.
Yeah, I have to say, I don't think we should be taking his opinions too seriously.
That guy is an outright greaser.
And I don't think he should have said that about Justice Ginsburg.
I mean, if she just lived another three months, the Democrats would have had that vacancy to fill.
And, you know, for her to take the gamble, if that's what he thinks it was, in the latter Obama era, thinking she could live through another term.
I mean, that's not an irresponsible thing to do.
And look, Bill Maher, I strain my memory to think of anything he's ever said that I thought was either intelligent or witty.
But look, I agree with you that he's a creepy, oleaginous individual, but the idea that if Biden runs, it's good for President Trump.
Can we think that at least like a broken clock is right?
I think he's got that right.
I believe that is right.
And that's why I think that the powers that be in that party are going to, you know, pick the president up by the elbows and gently, you know, carry him to You know, carry him into posterity.
But that has to happen pretty soon, does it not?
We're only, what, 12 months away?
Yeah, I would say it does.
LBJ retired in late March, but you already had Senator Gene McCarthy in the primaries.
But, you know, then Humphrey and Kennedy still could come in, you know.
And now, unfortunately, Senator Kennedy was killed, but not by the CIA.
And that's the latest you could leave it, is the end of March.
But I would think they would want, if they're going to do it, they've got to do it by around Christmas.
The votes are being tallied right now.
Matt Gaetz demanded that there actually be a physical count of the yeas and the nays right now for the Speaker of the House to be vacated.
79 yeas to 70 nays, but we are just at the beginning of the counting.
We're talking to Lord Conrad Black.
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ummm...
Bye.
Bye.
Bolton.
And there was one more.
What was the other one?
Where's my pen gone?
You want to use the cut five of Trump?
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Cut five.
And John Bolton.
Here's the Gates cut.
Play it.
I don't think voting against Kevin McCarthy is chaos.
I think $33 trillion in debt is chaos.
I think that facing a $2.2 trillion annual deficit is chaos.
I think that not passing single-subject spending bills is chaos.
I think the fact that we have been governed in this country since the mid-90s by continuing resolution and omnibus is chaos.
And the way to liberate ourselves from that is a series of reforms to this body.
That's excellent.
All right, um... Open the lines.
Let's come in with that Gates cut.
Come in with Gates.
And then I'll do... What did I say I'd do?
A Leadership Institute here, right, Alex?
Yes, sir.
All right, I'll do that.
There's a new script for them, too.
A new script?
Yeah.
Oh, do you have it?
They just sent it, like, ten minutes ago.
All right, don't worry about it.
And then we'll go to Conrad, and I will tee up the Merrick Garland cut from yesterday, cut nine.
But play it for Lord Black now.
Yesterday's nine.
The investigation itself has determined the timing.
Yes, exactly right.
Your critics say that it's time to ruin Mr. Trump's chances in the election.
Well, that's absolutely not true.
Justice Department prosecutors are non-partisan.
They don't allow partisan considerations to play any role in their determinations.
So, come in with Gates.
Come in with Gates.
I'll do leadership and then I'll tee up that cut.
Play me cut 10 as well.
Just play it for me.
Today's 10.
No, no, no, no, no.
Yesterday's.
Yesterday's 10.
We do not have one rule for Republicans and another rule for Democrats.
We don't have one rule for foes and another for friends.
We don't have one rule for the powerful and another for the powerless, for the rich or for the poor, or based on ethnicity.
We have only one rule.
And that one rule is that we follow the facts and the law, and we reach the decisions required by the Constitution, and we protect civil liberties.
All right.
Actually, that one's better.
I'm going to tee up that one.
Come in with Gates, and then you'll do yesterday's 10.
10. All right.
Oh, we had Alan Dershowitz on in the first hour and he wanted me to extend
his regards to you.
Thanks very much.
He acted for me.
We don't agree politically, but he's a brilliant lawyer and a fine man.
Oh, his interview was superb.
Superb.
I managed to get him on the unbridled power of American judges and how they far too often act as capricious kings.
It was excellent.
I'll send you the clip later today.
I'd like to have it, I wish you would.
Best is email, correct?
Or texting?
Your email is better.
Yes, please.
Stand by.
time, I'll see you next time, bye!
I don't think voting against Kevin McCarthy is chaos.
I think $33 trillion in debt is chaos.
I think that facing a $2.2 trillion annual deficit is chaos.
I think that not passing single-subject spending bills is chaos.
I think the fact that we have been governed in this country since the mid-90s by continuing resolution and omnibus is chaos.
And the way to liberate ourselves from that is a series of reforms to this body.
That was, of course, Floridian Congressman Matt Gaetz in the last hour talking on the floor in the midst of the vote for the vacation of the chair, the removal of the Speaker.
Just that last point, how is it that we have been on continuing resolutions, not real budgets, In the greatest nation on God's green earth since the 1990s.
Sheer insanity.
What else is insane?
The transgender extremism, especially in women's sports.
One woman is pushing back, our good friend Riley Gaines, and the wonderful Morton Blackwell
of the Leadership Institute has given him a new home at his organization, the Riley
Gaines Center.
She's recruiting young men and women to stand up for women's sports and to stop the transgender
extremists.
She has my full support.
Please go to teamriley.org to support her as well.
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I'd like you to react to Lord Black as somebody who knows the judicial system here in America all too well and apply it to what is happening to President Trump.
This is the current Attorney General of the United States.
We do not have one rule for Republicans and another rule for Democrats.
We don't have one rule for foes and another for friends.
We don't have one rule for the powerful and another for the powerless, for the rich or for the poor, based on ethnicity.
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And that one rule is that we follow the facts and the law, and we reach the decisions required by the Constitution, and we protect civil liberties.
The alacrity of his mendacity seems rather superlative, does it not?
It's completely outrageous.
I mean, how the Attorney General can actually utter such rubbish with a straight face, I don't know.
And I admit, he looks and sounds quite sincere as he does it, but he can't possibly believe it.
And it's not...
uh... uh... uh... uh... feather in the cap of the network that that that
ran such an absent as you say a hagiographical interview and it was just
it they were they were the they were such softballs they hardly got to the plate
and uh... and uh... you know i guess just scandalous that the
justice system is being used in in this brazen fashion as a political
arm of the dirty tricks division of the democratic national committee
and uh... and i i mean i get uh... you get the public i mean i believe the
polls show that the public is very suspicious of of uh... yes the way
that it's been conducted and a buddy if the uh... i i'm My view, as I put in the piece that you have there, is that
because of the continuous escalation of the unreasonable attacks on Trump and the manipulation
of the Justice Department to harass his campaign and to smear him as a felon in advance
of any facts, and then with background noise like this nonsense in New York now about
his loans and the collateral for the loans, all of which loans were repaid with full
interest on time, and there's no complaint about them.
All of that is going to become the main issue next year.
It will be, above all other things, a referendum on whether the country approves of this politicization of the justice system.
And in addition, of course, there will be the legitimate policy questions of inflation, crime, the border, and so forth.
But I don't see how the Democrats get their way out of this box, because instead of destroying Trump, they've incinerated their own credibility, and they haven't been helped by the continuous revelations of the outrageous conduct of the Biden family.
And it's not just the Bidens or the Democrats, it's the judicial system and specific judges and prosecutors as well.
With regards to the latest assault, as you mentioned it, on President Trump, this was the President outside the courtroom in New York with a rather concise summary of what is being done to him.
Cut five, President Trump.
Well, I think that was very good.
That last five minutes was outstanding.
Because the judge essentially conceded that the section of undetections that we want at the Court of Appeals is in effect.
Therefore about 80% of the cases over I was going to come out and say that, as you know, we're not entitled to a jury, which is pretty unusual in the United States of America.
So we think it's very unfair that I don't have a jury.
But the judge's last statement was very fair.
And if I read it right, I'll let perhaps one of the lawyers speak to it.
But maybe you'll speak to it, if you would.
But the way I interpret that, and the way everyone else in the room seems to interpret that, is that the statute of limitations is a very real thing in this country.
And that would be about 80% of this case would be over.
Alan Dershowitz in the last hour spoke of the capricious power, the summary powers of the judges, including this one, but the mere fact that the majority of the accusations have expired simply because of the statute of limitations, does that speak to clumsiness or arrogance?
Both, I would say, and rank partisanship.
I mean, you know, I was once upon a time a lawyer.
I haven't practiced for more than 50 years now, but the Um, the first thing one did, you know, I was a junior and a few things, you know, when I was, when I was going through the, you know, the preparation to be a lawyer.
And, and the first thing you did was make sure you were on side with the limitations act.
I mean, otherwise there was no point going to court.
And your prediction?
I think Dershowitz has written that all of these, they want to find him guilty, they will find him guilty, but they'll all be appealed and thrown out eventually, God willing, after he becomes president.
I don't think any Florida jury is going to convict President Trump, so I think that part of it is not going to go ahead.
I would be more confident than Alan is that you'll get some dissent in New York.
I mean, he got a lot more than 10% of the votes in New York, so I think some jurors will hang the juries in New York.
I think it's going to be difficult in the District of Columbia where over 90% of the people are Democrats.
I would say that there will be some convictions if Trump is unable to defer the trials until after the election.
There will be some convictions, but none of this is getting through a serious court of appeal, in my opinion.
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I mean, of 12 jurors, some of them voted for him.
Yes, yes.
But I mean, I'm just thinking this, I mean, the fact that I live in a part of America that voted 90.3% for Hillary is just shocking.
And for Biden, too, which is even more surprising.
At least Hillary is mentally competent.
Well, it's tribal.
Yeah.
Oh, no, you know, it is.
I mean, that's why the whole thing is a fraud.
I mean, the government is conducted in an amphitheater where the Roman Colosseum, Republicans are facing the lions and 45,000 of the 50,000 spectators want the lions to win.
Yeah, that's good.
That should be in your next article if you haven't used that already.
No, I just made it up now.
Look, let me ask you this.
You caused me to turn the TV on, and this is a real neck-and-neck battle here, but if Gates' motion carries, don't we go back to 15 more elections until McCarthy comes back?
Yeah, nobody, I mean, what was it, Byron Donalds had somebody threw his name in the hat in January and he only got something like 20 votes.
So everybody else doesn't want it.
Jordan, who would be the strongest.
Scalise, who would be the second strongest.
But they're loyal too, they're loyal.
They won't put themselves up and even if they did, sadly the establishment types would win.
The thing about Matt's initiative, it's just a declaratory one.
It doesn't have any functional consequence because nobody can beat Kevin.
Yeah.
Has Trump declared his view on that?
Is he supporting McCarthy?
Eric, has the President said anything about Gates v. McCarthy?
This most recently, no.
And he also was noticeably kind of neutral in the original Speaker's election.
The Sanders fans all said, oh, that means he's supporting McCarthy.
But he never came out and said one way or the other who he supported.
Yeah.
No, he's kept quiet.
I think, look, it's not for me to advise him, but if I were him, I'd support McCarthy.
I mean, Gates is right in his complaints about the budget.
You're not going to accomplish anything by dumping the Speaker.
Anyway, but it's a real cliffhanger here.
Unless some of the Democrats abstain or just don't come into the chamber.
Kevin will be reaffirmed.
He'll be reaffirmed.
Yeah.
Maybe not today, but yeah, I'm sure.
OK, well, basically, I still think it's looking good for Trump, don't you?
Right now it is.
If the election were today, it would be a stroll in the park.
But we've got 13 months to go.
Right you are.
OK, well, we'll speak next week.
Thanks, Conrad.
That was super.
Bye-bye.
Yep, thank you.
Thank you. Bye-bye.
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I love having people who are fans who are giving me updates.
I'm getting long texts from a buddy that gives me all of my DOJ information who's watching the debate whilst, you know, we're running a show here and having great guests like Conrad.
Elise Stefanik has just spoken and reminds the Congress that Kevin McCarthy has positive attributes.
Quote, the Speaker has been to our districts.
He's toasted at our weddings.
He celebrated the birth of our children and mourned the loss of our loved ones.
Okay, Elise.
What's that got to do with being Speaker?
This isn't a vote on whether he's a nice man.
It's on whether he's fit to be Speaker.
Somebody who isn't a nice man is John Bolton.
Cut four!
Well, it appalls me that he could be elected president again.
I don't have any sympathy for his potential opponents on the Democratic side.
I didn't vote for Biden or Trump in 2020.
I'd like to see a conservative Republican on the ticket.
Donald Trump is not a conservative Republican.
And I think that, as I've said repeatedly on any number of occasions, he did damage in his first term, has largely been repaired, but that if he were elected to a second term, this time he might damage that would be irreparable.
This is a very dangerous period we're about to enter into here.
He didn't vote for Donald Trump in 2020?
Hey Jeff, help me out.
What was the last real job Mustachio Man had?
Working for Trump.
Was he like sweeping the West Wing?
Was he like a cleaning man?
Or was he a plumber?
What was he?
He was exactly what is in his chyron every time he appears on CNN.
Former Trump National Security Advisor.
But he didn't vote for him?
No, that's interesting isn't it?
Did we force him?
Did somebody put a gun to John's head and say you will be the National Security Advisor?
Not that I remember.
Huh.
That means you're scum, John Bolton.
That really is the measure of you.
You didn't vote for him, but you took $200,000 a year to be his National Security Advisor.
Why are they interviewing him?
Because another scum of the earth, John Kelly, has told Jake Tapper that yes, President Trump is nasty and he made fun of the military, even wounded veterans.
You know who the scum is, you John Kelly, because you're lying.
I have here a tweet that's in response to the lies of John Kelly and Bolton and others.
With some amazing photographs and let me just share this tweet with you.
Last week I had this is Marlon Bateman.
Last week, I had the honour to accompany several Gold Star parents to meet with President Trump in Bedminster.
These parents lost their children when the Abbey Gate at the Kabul airport was bombed in the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan, which is orchestrated by Joe Biden.
While Biden continues to ignore these families' requests for answers, President Trump listened to them.
He mourned with them.
And he was genuinely devastated for their loss.
But he also mourned for the country's loss of these amazing Americans.
One hour came and went quicker than anticipated.
Our time with the President was up.
Or so I thought.
Many families had requested President Trump sign photographs of their sons and daughters.
You can go back to the main shot, guys.
He then proceeded to spend nearly two hours signing hats, books, and even a pair of red, white, and blue, but dazzled, high-heeled shoes.
He spent time with each individual family, celebrating and learning about our 13 brave American heroes.
As the night ended and the President gave his farewell, tears and overwhelming emotions could not be held back.
Show the photographs, please.
He did something for these families that the current administration has refused to do and was incapable of doing, giving an overdue moment of recognition and solidarity for their children.
Not a BS statement from the White House.
Not John Kirby sending his deepest condolences on CNN.
Not Joe Biden constantly glancing us his watch while the bodies of their children were carried off the tarmac.
He gave them hope that accountability and justice will be coming.
Our country owes it to their children to continue the pursuit for truth and accountability.
We must continue to tell their stories and say their names.
Sergeant Johanny Picardo, Sergeant Nicole Gee, Staff Sergeant Darren Hoover, Corporal Hunter Lopez, Corporal Dagan Page, Corporal Humberto Sanchez, Lance Corporal David Espinosa, Lance Corporal Jared Schmitz, Lance Corporal Riley McCollum, Lance Corporal Dylan Merola, Lance Corporal Karim Nikoui, Navy Corpsman Maxton Soviak, and Staff Sergeant Ryan Knauss.
That's who President Trump is, you scum.
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I get attacked every day.
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The yard sign, yes, I have that.
Okay.
Give me a moment.
One minute.
What?
McAfee is out?
Yep.
Apparently that's the majority needed.
There were like nine people absent overall.
What?
Apparently this is the first time this has ever happened.
Are you crapping me?
Breaking news liner, Alex.
Yeah, but it's temporary.
It is temporary, but it's still historic.
Wow.
He he he he.
He he he.
He he he.
He he.
What the flip just happened?
And look at how narrow it is.
That had to have been like If every Dem voted for that, was that like 3 Republicans who voted with them?
I'm curious to see how that vote breakdown went.
went. I thought there was 11 Republicans.
Oh, sorry. Yeah, but I'm...
With breaking news here's Sebastian Gorka.
Bye.
Kevin McCarthy has been voted out as Speaker.
216 to 210.
Jeff, did you predict that?
I did not, but I'm just wondering how long it's going to last.
What was his first reaction, Eric?
He said, yeah, it's not going to last.
I don't care if it's not going to last!
It's a great boot up the backside to the establishment.
Matt Gaetz is talking right now.
Wish we could get him on the show.
All right.
Wow.
That is huge.
That is a shockwave.
Let's squeeze in some calls.
James, New Mexico, line one.
James!
James!
Line 3, Rick.
Yes.
Mr. Gorka, say your interview with Riley Gaines gave me an idea for a special manhood hour.
I want to suggest manhood from a real woman's point of view and you could interview the
great and gracious Mrs. Gorka or the delightful Jennifer Horne.
Oh no!
How about I do interview them at the same time?
Okay.
Genius.
Stay on the line.
We're going to give Rick one of our I love America t-shirts because that's bloody genius.
Dave Pittsburgh.
Good afternoon, Seth.
How are you?
Good, good.
How's it going?
We've got two minutes.
Educate me.
Oh, I wish I could, but I'm giving it a try.
First off, I've been listening for years and I have never heard you so fired up on your opening monologue.
I mean, man, you could feel the passion.
You could feel the anger.
And I've been there for years.
You once asked me, you know, How long I've been a Republican, and I told you I quit.
They quit me in 2010.
I've been independent ever since.
And I'm fed up with the Republicans as well.
I mean, I will still always vote conservative, of course, until they pull something like the Dems do, and most of the establishment do anyway.
So what do you think of this?
That Kevin McCarthy, a shock to me, a shock to Jeff, I have a little bit more faith in we the people, and that's a fact, Jack.
Because I'll tell you what, I've been questioning McCarthy from day one.
Do you have a little bit more faith?
I have a little bit more faith in we the people.
Yes.
That's a fact, Jack.
Yes.
Because I'll tell you what, I've been questioning McCarthy from day one.
I never felt as a solid conservative, an independent of course, but conservative nonetheless.
I have always felt that this guy, there's something about him, I don't know, what is
The House is always Californian, and there's just something about, you know, I don't want to disparage all Californians, but I have several friends that live out there, and they're all just, I don't know, a little bit, you know, there's just something about They claim to be conservatives, yet, you know what, McCarthy's a go-along to get-along guy.
Yeah, that's the most charitable thing we can say about him, a go-along to get-along guy.
Don't be such a stranger, Dave.
Stay on the line.
Let Dave pick whatever he wants from the website.
What a great call.
What a great day.
Next up, what's really going on with Russia and Ukraine and all the Grifters?
Stay with us.
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okay Oh
Well, I did not see that coming.
As former strategist to the president, um, I shouldn't say that, I guess.
But I don't think anybody did, and I especially don't think Kevin McCarthy saw it coming.
He's out.
It may just be temporary, but that is a message.
Even the people on Capitol Hill have had enough.
Of course the Democrats want their own Speaker.
And Kevin will come back, probably.
But the Patriots, at least eight of them, have sent a message.
The question that was answered today is what have the Republicans done for us since January?
So many broken promises!
You have the power of the purse!
The most powerful power outside of being Commander-in-Chief.
And what have you done with regards to persecution by the DOJ, the FBI, open borders, fentanyl run rampant across this nation?
Nothing.
Letters?
Letters?
You didn't even subpoena Hunter Biden.
Let this be a warning to the establishment.
America is watching and we've had enough.
We respect the work of Matt Gaetz and all patriots.
We salute you.
Thank you.
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somebody who's good at what they're doing.
It's a personal friend.
The chap I haven't seen for nigh on six, seven years happens to be in the mallowed swamp that is Washington, D.C.
So we have taken this target of opportunity to have in studio for a discussion on all matter of national security issues.
Transatlantic, a good friend of mine, former senior Editor for The Economist.
He's now become a politician, or a prospective one.
Ed Lucas, welcome in studio.
Great to see you, sir.
All right, so I could read for the next hour your CV, all the things you've done, all the things you've written about.
Let's put a couple of his books up on the screen.
Ed Lucas's Deception, the Untold Story of East-West Espionage.
Today with a Rather scary photograph of a certain former KGB colonel and the new Cold War, Putin's Russia and the threat to the West.
First things first, let's go backwards.
You have now decided to run for Parliament in the cities of London and Westminster District.
Could you give us a little bit of an update?
How are things politically in a nation which from a distance seems to have Two main parties, one of which is called Conservative, which isn't, and a Labour party which really doesn't care about the workers.
So tell me more about what's happening in the UK, Ed.
The Conservative, or so-called Conservative, party is in meltdown.
And in my district, which has been Conservative since it was first delineated in 1905... So it's been a Conservative district since 1905?
The polls show the Conservatives running third, me second and Labour first.
So I'll be saying to the Conservatives... So why?
Explain why, in a district that has been Conservative for over a century, the Conservatives are now third.
What's happened in the UK all too late?
Perception of incompetence, which rests on a reality of incompetence.
We've been through five Prime Ministers since the Brexit vote.
We've seen the Covid pandemic taking its toll, as in many other places, but also a government that can't build a railroad.
A government which doesn't know whether it wants to raise taxes or to cut taxes, inflation out of control, and just a feeling of incompetence.
The Conservatives are meant to be good at national security and good at money.
Now, they have done well in supporting Ukraine, but they've failed to get to grips with the tide of dirty money which sloshes through the... Explain this phrase, dirty money.
Who are we talking about?
What sources are we talking about that is sloshing through the banks and the real estate in London?
I'm speaking here with the protection of the First Amendment, so I can say that it's Russian dirty money, and Chinese dirty money, and from all other... Dictators all over the world steal from their own people, but they want to put their money in safe places.
And London, I'm afraid, is the money laundering capital of the world.
And mostly real estate, or all kinds of things?
Real estate's the most obvious one.
There's all sorts of other things you could do as well.
And the fundamental problem is we don't actually know who owns these mansions and penthouses and vast palaces that get bought by anonymous companies from BVI and sometimes, I'm afraid to say, from the United States, because your beneficial ownership rules are not what they might be.
And in my district, this is where the rubber hits the road, or the dirty money hits the sewer, because the voters are really fed up with not knowing who their neighbours are.
And, of course, the consequently inflated prices.
When somebody's prepared to drop, you know, half a billion dollars or pounds for something, that's to launder the money, not necessarily because of the value of the property.
Absolutely.
But it also filters through into the rest of the economy.
So they're not just buying property, they're buying influence.
And so we see, to me, scandalously, That Yevgeny Lebedev, son of a former KGB station chief in London, is now Baron Lebedev of Siberia.
Put in the House of Lords, a lawmaker.
Hang on, of Siberia?
He's called himself Baron Lebedev of Siberia.
This is Monty Python, the resurrected, please.
No, this is the absolute truth.
He's a friend of Boris Johnson's.
He's cultivated Boris Johnson for a long time.
And Boris is a friend of mine.
I've known him socially for years.
But I'm afraid he fell for this one.
And he put his friend Yevgeny in the House of Lords.
It's magic.
Appointing your friend as a US Senator.
And then the disgraceful destruction that does to Britain's image.
Can you imagine what Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Ukrainians think of Britain?
We're lecturing them on anti-corruption and we have the KGB families sitting in our legislature because they're friends of the Prime Minister.
Alright, you've knocked hard enough on the Tories.
I grew up under the reign of Maggie and I love Maggie and I miss real, real Conservatives.
Tell us about the other side.
Tell us about the Labour Party.
Seems like much of a muchness and the Etonian, Oxbridge set are running that party as well.
Not so much Utonians.
I mean, I don't know whether you call it that in American English, but you have flip-flops here?
Oh, yes.
So the idea is you give away Labour Party flip-flops because they're always changing their policies.
If you remember, only three, four years ago, the Labour Party was led by Jeremy Corbyn, who wanted to leave NATO, didn't want Britain to have nuclear weapons, and didn't believe in the market economy.
Well, and didn't have any issues with anti-Semitism in his own party.
I was getting on to that.
This is someone who makes the left wing of the Democratic Party in this country seem positively moderate.
And everybody who's in the Labour Party frontbench now were people who were serving in the Labour Party and campaigning for him in the 2019 general election.
Now, since then, he's gone.
He's been expelled from the party.
They've dumped every one of his policies.
They now have a mainstream centre-left, sort of moderate social democratic platform, which is going to be heavily constrained, by the way, by the fact that there isn't any money.
But can you really trust people who are talking more or less mainstream common sense now, but only four years ago were campaigning for someone who was to the left of Fidel Castro?
I don't.
So how much of all of this, the lack of any credibility, here in DC we talk about the Uniparty.
This is, you know, my old White House colleague Steve Bannon's favorite, you know, whipping post.
The Uniparty, they're all corrupt left and right.
How much of what you have described is a function of A Damocene moment and the people realizing who these people are after Brexit was handled the way it was.
I mean I was horrified as somebody who grew up in the UK.
To see a decision, the biggest vote in British history, 17.4 million Brits say, we've had it with the EU, we want to leave.
And then for years afterwards, members of the House of Commons, members of the Lords, billionaire lawyers and barristers say, well, we don't really give a fig about the will of the British people, we need to get back into the EU.
Did this help the The realisation of the average Brit that both of these parties are just totally moribund and the moral turpitude is without many words we can use to describe it.
I think that the Brexit vote for many people in Britain was the first time ever that they'd been able to cast a vote that actually mattered.
Because of our electoral system, a bit like yours, most elections don't matter unless you're a swing voter in a marginal seat.
You might as well stay at home, actually, for all the good it does.
And so finally we had a vote which mattered, and people voted basically in a roar of protest against the economic and political and social changes of the last 30 years.
And across party lines, especially in the North.
And across party lines, and in my own home district of the West Country, where my party, the Lib Dems, is very pro-Europe, but our voters are anti-establishment, and they saw this as an anti-establishment vote.
A few years later, it's not working out.
Two thirds of the country regret Brexit.
And I think that people realise that they were told something by the pro-Brexit people.
You vote for this and you'll get sovereignty, unicorns and rainbow.
And in fact, we are still grappling with the same world that we had when we were in the EU.
But we don't have some of the tools that we had when we were in the EU to deal with it now.
And so I think there's a good chance that we'll move closer to the EU.
I don't think we'll rejoin.
But for practical reasons, it's our biggest trading partner.
We need it.
But does that mean that the Lib Dems are the future, if these two parties have been seen for what they are?
Well, we've always profited, as the third party, from dissatisfaction.
A large chunk of our vote is the protest vote.
It's the Sodom All party.
I would like it if we had a stronger core vote.
And certainly in my constituency, we have a core vote of the sort of metropolitan, highly connected to the rest of the world sort of voters, who are very angry about Brexit, are suffering, their businesses particularly and their professional lives are suffering.
And so when I say I have a plan to get us back to a better relationship with the EU and we will bargain our way to this and it'll work, they're very receptive to that.
But more broadly I think the alienation in the country is absolutely huge and I go knocking on doors all over the place and people are just thoroughly fed up with what feels to them like a clown show and I can see why.
Yes, we can relate to that here in the United States.
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Okay, come in with McGregor.
We said that no one would support Russia, that Russia would be isolated.
Well, in fact, I would argue that most of the world actually backs Russia against us.
That we and the Europeans are increasingly on an island all by ourselves.
And Russia is not going to fall apart.
Russia has become more cohesive.
This is a state that rests on the foundation of Orthodox Christianity and Russian ethnicity.
Now, there are plenty of people inside Russia who are not ethnic Russians.
Those people are treated very well.
They are treated as equal partners inside Russia.
All you have to do is look at the Chechens.
I asked my producer Jeff to get me the most egregious example of quote-unquote conservatives who are spouting garbage about the war in Ukraine and are on the side of the former KGB colonel in the Kremlin.
And I think you found it.
It's Colonel Douglas McGregor, official professional blowhard, who when I was in the Trump administration thought he should be the next national security advisor.
We successfully prevented that from ever happening.
But it saddens me as a conservative that there are people who are platformed by the likes of Tucker Carlson to say these inanities.
Let's unpack it.
I need an explanation for how we got here.
If anybody knows, it's my good friend Ed Lucas, former senior editor for The Economist.
He's a columnist now with The Times.
He's also a Lib Dem candidate for Parliament in the UK, author of numerous works that are relevant here.
Let's put two of them up on the screen.
Deception, the Untold Story of the East-West Espionage Today and The New Cold War, Putin's Russia and the Threat to the West.
Let's start with that.
I want an update on what's happening in Ukraine, how you think it's going.
But let's just grab the nettle straight away.
How is it that we have people who, until the war in Ukraine, seemed relatively normal, on both sides of the Atlantic, who have, since the war broke out, lost all sense, and are saying insane things like that.
That Vladimir Putin is saving the West, he's a great Christian, and Ukraine is run by a bunch of Nazis, and NATO caused this war.
Have you diagnosed the genesis of this insanity, Ed?
I don't know which is more puzzling, that you have people on the conservative right who believe in freedom, democracy, all the things that you believe in and that I believe in, and then believe that an ex-KGB colonel killer is their avatar.
Or people on the left who believe in standing up for the underdog and don't like capitalists and don't like rich people.
And here we have one man whose regime has enriched itself colossally at the expense of the Russian people.
Russia's one of the worst places in the world to be a trade unionist, for example.
And so I find it baffling whether it's the people on the left or on the right Is it just a lack of... Have we just become idiots?
There's no sense of historic context.
I mean, because the idea that anyone who said they're a conservative could side with a KGB colonel, you would have been laughed out of court.
Yeah.
Well, I think there's several reasons.
One is anti-Americanism.
That people who just don't like America think that if Putin is against America, then Putin must be good.
And that streak of anti-Americanism is not only on the left.
It's also, in some cases on the right, you'll have come across it in Europe, this sort of weird anti-American German right-wingers, for example.
So that's one thing.
I think there's another thing that people just sort of fantasise about, strength, and they think Putin's a strong guy, and we need strong men.
Now we of course, in European history, have seen strong men before, and it ends very badly for them, but also with a great deal of damage on the way.
But there's a kind of fetishisation of Putin's I will never forget that moment.
which I think is a misunderstanding of his regime which is not nearly as strong as it seems.
It's a bully regime rather than a really strong regime.
And I think there's also this idea that Russia is a sort of great sort of front of orthodox Christianity,
a truly Christian country. And that's just complete baloney as well.
I mean the... I will never forget that moment.
I mean this is along with blowing up apartment box in Moscow.
The moment when Alexei II met with somebody nobody ever heard of called Vladimir Putin.
And it was that total symbiotic relationship between the Orthodox Church and a KGB colonel
who was then given the imprimatur to become the prime minister and then the president.
The idea that this is a separation of church and state in a modern religious Christian nation is asinine.
This is the First Amendment turned on its head.
Right!
It's the opposite!
Exactly.
And I think there's a strong parallel, and you'll know this with your background of studying the communist system, that the Russian Orthodox Church in the Soviet system was basically a sort of fig leaf for the atheistic communist dictatorship.
And it's flipped very neatly into being a fig leaf for the Putin sort of corporate fascist state, and enjoys a very lucrative lifestyle as a result.
There's a wonderful picture of the Patriarch with an immensely expensive watch.
On his wrist, which was airbrushed out of the picture, but they forgot to airbrush the reflection on the table.
So if you look at the table, the watch is still there.
So it's like airbrushing out Trotsky, but they forgot the reflection.
Exactly right, yes.
Beautiful.
And there were so many of these, although the Soviet Union was based on communism, which didn't work, and the political monopoly of the Communist Party, which was too rigid.
All sorts of other things, the planned economy, which was a disaster.
But many of the Soviet reflexes, and particularly the treatment of information, and information as a weapon, and the idea that truth is what I want to happen, rather than the real abstract truth, all that's still there.
And it's really helpful, if you're trying to understand the way Putin thinks, to have studied dialectical materialism, Marxism-Leninism, The other thing that is so important to the Conservatives, the one thing that should unite all American Conservatives and Conservatives anywhere, is being worried about China.
Yes.
We're going to talk about China.
And yet who's propping up?
Putin?
China?
China.
My argument for Conservatives to get them off this insanity is always a very simple one.
I try to get to the heart of what they care about.
If 1776 matters to Conservatives, which it should, We have to remember that that was a fight against what?
Dictatorial forces.
Not only was it a fight for independence and liberty, it was impossible without the support of outside actors.
Without Holland, Spain and France there would be no American Republic.
Well guess what?
Ukraine needs a little bit of help and we are the Holland, we are the Spain, we are the France.
For those who are doing what?
Nothing more than fighting for their own liberty.
That's my argument.
Absolutely and I think there's a real parallel Between the Ukrainian struggle for independence and the American struggle.
They're fighting for an idea.
They're not fighting for a sort of ethno-nationalist state.
Or for more territory?
No, or for more territory.
They're fighting for the liberty, the dignity, the legality, all the things that we take for justice.
To be allowed to be Ukrainians.
It's really quite that simple.
But what's so interesting is you don't have to be an ethnic Ukrainian.
This is the only country in the world, apart from Israel, which has had a Jew as the head of state and Jew as head of government.
Their defence minister is a Muslim Tatar from Crimea.
This is the paragon of a truly, and I mean in the good sense, a truly multicultural, multilingual, multi-professional country and it's absolutely worth fighting for.
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All right, I'm not getting very far with all these questions I've written down for you, Ed, so let's get back to the one I was interested in in the last segment.
How's it going in Ukraine?
Because I'm worried that this is the kind of war that people have forgotten about.
It's not on the front pages.
According to Mark Milley, Good riddance to you, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.
The Russians should have taken Kiev in 72 hours.
Thank the good Lord they didn't.
Is it going well?
Russia, hopefully shocked by how dismally it's gone for them.
What needs to happen in the future?
Is there something the West can do better?
Give us an update, Ed.
The first thing is that this war should never have happened.
The fact it happened is a terrible failure of deterrence.
And everybody in decision-making roles in the West, whatever their country, whatever their party, has to bear responsibility because we got it wrong and hundreds of thousands of people are dead and maimed as a result.
Does it go back to the Budapest memorandum that we convinced them to denuclearise?
We arm-twisted them to give up their nuclear weapons in exchange for what they thought
were security guarantees.
And we've been getting Russia wrong since the get-go.
And the Ukrainians are paying the price for our complacency and naivety and I'm afraid
also greed.
That's number one.
Number two, over the course of the 580-something days of this war, we dither, then we get a
little bit braver, then we deliver weapons.
And then we have to be shown by the likes of Poland what needs to be done.
Yes, and it's a day late and a dollar short.
It would have been much quicker, much cheaper, much more effective to do all this early rather than late.
And I think that there's a grave responsibility for decision makers in this country.
to explain why they didn't do this earlier.
If it was right to do it now, why wasn't it right to do it a year ago?
However, I also think the Ukrainians have fought extremely well.
I think that the counter-offensive Plan A didn't work very well.
Plan B is working much better, which is to use long-range precision strikes to cripple the Russians behind the lines and particularly, and this is really important, to make life on the Crimean Peninsula impossible.
Putin thought Crimea was a trophy.
It's turning into a hostage.
But can you envisage any scenario in which all of Ukraine is returned to Ukrainian authority?
Because many have just written off Crimea for various reasons.
What is your long-term realistic expectation?
I think that there will be a combination of military setbacks for the Russians and political change in Moscow.
That the Putin regime is fundamentally quite brittle.
We saw that with the Prigozhin muciny.
And I think there's going to come a point where the people around Putin say this really isn't working and we need a change of course, either with you boss or without you.
And there will be some sort of combination of military defeat followed by a deal.
Now I can imagine that the Ukrainians will settle for some sort of ambiguity about Crimea's long-term status,
possibly some and there are bits of the far east of Ukraine, particularly
the Donbas which I don't think the Ukrainians are desperate to get
back, put bluntly.
So I can imagine there are all sorts of fudges in international history, you've written about this in your
academic career, ways of blunting the edges of disagreements.
The basic trajectory, assuming we keep on supplying Ukraine with the money and the weapons
it needs, is that this ends badly for Putin.
It's a war of attrition, but it's not a war of attrition between Russia and Ukraine.
It's a war of attrition between Russia and the West, and the West is bigger and stronger
than Russia.
So although the price is horrific, I'm pretty confident that we're going to see an outcome
which is where Ukraine walks away as a victor and Russia walks away defeated.
The territorial details of that I think are open to question.
But it should never have happened in the first place.
No, it never should have happened.
I'm always amused by people who ask me, what would your former boss have done with regards to the invasion of Ukraine?
And I laugh and I say, Putin never would have invaded if Donald Trump were still in the White House.
We killed 300 of his men in Syria in one day and Putin didn't even hold a press conference.
That's how much he feared the Trump administration.
That's why we need him back in the White House.
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Now the next question we could wax poetic on for hours, write a few PhD dissertations on it,
but I'd like you to give us, what do we call it in DC, the elevator pitch, Ed.
What do people need to know about Russia?
It's not the Soviet Union.
It's not a market economy.
Who is Putin?
You know, people need to read your books, but the fact that he's a KGB colonel, who is, you know, a member of the Siloviki, the National Intelligence, National Security Infrastructure, who was a third-rater.
I mean, if you're a good KGB colonel, you don't get posted to East Germany.
You get posted to Washington, to London.
He was, like, not the first tier.
So, I think there's a chip on the shoulder element with him as well.
Talk to us about Russia today, how best to describe it, what kind of adjectives, and what is its long-term survivability?
You look at the demographics.
600,000 people a year die in Russia more than are being born.
Is this a paper tiger or not, Ed?
Russia's an empire.
It's a failing empire, but it's still an empire.
And because it's an empire, it can't live at peace with itself and it can't live at peace with its neighbours.
That's the elevator pitch.
We thought when the Soviet Union collapsed, we said three things have happened.
The Communist economic system has failed, the political system of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union is over, and the Soviet Empire's gone.
We were right on two out of three.
The Soviet Empire took a huge hit, your own The country of your forebears Hungary, the other captive nations were free, but the Russian Federation survived basically as an empire.
It has captive peoples, Tatars, Bashkirs, Buryats and others.
But a weak empire.
It's a weak empire, but it's still bigger than the countries it needs to menace.
So if you are One million Estonians, two million Latvians, three million Lithuanians, even 40 million Ukrainians.
Russia as 140 million is a serious problem.
It's a bit like, if you imagine an aggressive, violent man on crutches going into a bar full of people who are physically much, much smaller than he is.
Yeah, sure, he's on crutches.
Take his crutches away, you could push him over.
He's still a threat.
He's still a threat.
And that's why NATO is so important, that NATO is what allows us to say to Russia, sorry,
we're bigger than you are.
And that's why Putin's top priority is to bust NATO.
He wants to bust the Atlantic alliance.
He wants to sow dissent between the Americans and the Europeans.
He wants to sow dissent among the Europeans and within European countries.
And that's very dangerous, because divided, Russia as 140 million people can go toe-to-toe with any country apart from the United States.
United, Russia's back in its box, and we, as the Transatlantic Alliance, the Europeans and the Americans together, then we can start dealing with China, along with the Asian allies.
He just stole my thunder.
What a beautiful segue.
I do love this analogy.
I'm going to steal from it in the future.
A big, massive bully on crutches.
A perfect way to understand Russia.
China.
Let's talk about China.
When I was in the White House, I came in expecting to do counterterrorism work.
Once I got my clearances, read the President's daily briefing, I realized we'll deal with Russia.
We'll deal with Iran.
We'll deal with ISIS.
China is the number one long-term strategic peer threat.
Is the Alliance aware of this?
And what need we speak more of?
Specifically, I'd love your take on artificial intelligence in the cyber domain.
We need to get ready for a really serious competition, confrontation, constraining operation, call it what you will.
A kinetic one?
Not with China.
We need to be ready.
OK.
We need to be ready.
And the best, as you know, if you want peace, prepare for war.
And I'm worried, and I'm not an expert in Pacific security, but we have a lot of work to do with the Pacific allies to work with them, Taiwan, Japan, South Korea.
It's interesting, those countries really want us to win in Ukraine, because they say if Ukraine falls, then the damage to Western credibility is huge and we'll be on our own facing China.
So we all stick together on this.
With the Europeans on your side, you Americans with the Pacific allies, you are bigger and richer than the Chinese Communist Party and the Chinese Party state.
America alone will struggle against China.
Now, AI, super important.
The Chinese are not just trying to beat us by having more aircraft carriers and fighter aircraft and so on.
They're beating us in the next generation, which is about hoovering up enormous amounts of data, personal data.
With Huawei and everything else.
Where did Sebastian Korka go shopping this morning?
Who did he call on his cell phone?
What are his hotel reservations?
They have this surveillance model inside China, which we know about, this kind of Orwellian big brother ability to spot every Uyghur, every Inner Mongolian, every Tibetan, total control.
Social credit scores.
Absolutely.
But that is also being turned outwards and they hoover up the data and then they apply their enormous AI capabilities, including with probably quantum computing techniques, and they can spot patterns and anomalies and they'll understand our societies better than we do.
It's proving really difficult because we've been so careless, so reckless in the use of our data.
And they're doing things that we can't match.
We can't do to China what China does to us.
And I think that's the next frontier.
They don't need to beat us militarily if they can beat us with these next generation cyber, AI and data capabilities.
When I came into the White House, I'll be honest here, I thought there's no way to turn this around in four years.
Thanks to Peter Navarro, the President, and Bannon and others, we managed to turn it around.
China is understood by far more people now in America as a problem.
And in Europe.
Now this is my next question.
Does Europe get it?
It's beginning to.
I mean, the naivety of the Europeans 10 years ago was, you know, and actually America was very naive as well.
I mean, it's not just Democrats, but also Republicans.
It's all about making money, you know, they're capitalists.
And so there's been a sort of rippling wake up going around the world.
And I'm encouraged.
I see the European Commission says that China's a systemic threat.
We have the Macron having done all the wrong things.
He's now, he's been badly burned.
My own country, Britain, has gone from thinking that we're in a golden age.
This is another conservative, terrible conservative thing, the Cameron Osborne golden age with China.
Haven't you banned Huawei in the UK?
Yes, yes.
I mean, you can still buy a Huawei phone, but they're not going to be running our 5G system.
Everyone's worried about the United Front Work Department and the penetration of our societies through Chinese diaspora means.
Front organisations.
All this stuff.
So there's a general wake-up across Europe, and even countries like Italy, which have been tremendously penetrated by China in the past.
and now we're waking up. Greece has switched over. Greece was about to sell its main harbour
to the Chinese then. So I find this is encouraging. I'm also very encouraged that we're prepared
to pay the economic price and say yes, we will have to pay more for our critical minimals.
We need to de-risk our supply chain. And it's basically like buying insurance.
You pay a bit more when you insure something.
We need to insure our economies.
It's not all about money.
And the central message in my book, The New Cold War, which you mentioned earlier, was if you think only money matters, you're defenceless when people attack you using money.
The Russians attacked us using money.
The Chinese attacked us using money.
You can mention some other countries that have attacked us using money.
We have to wake up and say it's not about money.
Making money is the by-product of a free society.
It's not the purpose of a free society.
Well, if Europe has been turned around in its attitude to China, I think it will be in significant part because of our guest, Edward Lucas.
The website is edwardlucas.com.
You can read his articles in the Times.
Follow him at Edward Lucas.
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Alright, Ed Lucas, I was going to check your temperature earlier, see if you were feeling alright,
when I heard that you've done something quite outrageous.
You've decided to become a politician.
Why?
I was the first witness to our Intelligence and Security Committee's inquiry into Russia.
Now, the ISC is a bit like the Senate Intelligence Committee, but it's both sides of Parliament.
And they've been trying for ages to do an inquiry into Russia.
They were frustrated by the government, which didn't want them asking questions.
But it's the only committee that gets to see classified information and to quiz our spymasters.
And I was very honoured to be the first witness, and I'm protected by both official secrecy and parliamentary privilege.
I was able to tell them what I'd seen with my own eyes over the last 30 years and suggest where they might want to ask some questions, some very difficult questions.
And as far as I can tell they did, and they produced an excellent report.
It comes in two versions, classified and unclassified.
They weren't allowed to publish that report by Boris Johnson.
Hang on, the unclassified one?
Neither was allowed to be published, because it was focusing a bit on political party financing, and he thought that was embarrassing.
So before the 2019 election, I'm not sure it would have swung the election, but I think the voters should have been allowed to know.
And when he won that election, he then tried to nobble the ISC
and put his own person in as chair, which meant the report would never have come out.
And I thought I was witnessing a coup in my own country.
And I thought, I've tried everything.
I've written books.
I've had the best jobs in journalism.
I've given evidence to your Congress, to our parliaments, on.
And in the end, this is happening.
So I thought, there's only one thing to do, take it to the voters.
And so I'm running in this central London district, partly on the local issues, noise, mess, safety,
things like that, but also on national security issues, dirty money, which we just discussed earlier,
and also that we face existential threats from Russia and China.
We have to be serious, take risks, make sacrifice, pay the price, and preserve our freedom.
What happened to that report?
It came out in the end.
Well, the unclassified version is excellent.
It's full of asterisks, but with your background you'll be able to read not between the lines, but between the asterisks.
The classified report came out, made many recommendations.
A few of them have been implemented, but some of them haven't.
We're still not scrutinising the way money goes into our political system.
Well, you heard it.
How many times have I said it here to you?
As Mark Levin said on the show last week, if you missed the hour long, go and listen on the podcast.
He said he's had it with listeners, with callers saying, what are we going to do?
And he says, what are we going to do?
What are you going to do?
That's the question.
As I've told you before, if my wife, who detests politics because she's sane, can run for local office, lose and then run again and win, What excuse do you have?
Just as Ed Lucas has walked you through his experience.
He saw something that was wrong.
A political swamp that was unaccountable.
So did he just complain or write another book?
No, he stood up to the plate and into the arena as Teddy Roosevelt left us that wonderful speech.
What will you do to save our civilization and our country first?
Be more like Ed.
Be more like Katie.
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