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Bob Frantz LIVE: GOP Debate - What really happened?
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with today's very special guest host, Cleveland's own Bob France.
Well, I can tell you this, Dr. G. They did not make debating great again last night in Milwaukee.
Fox News threw up a clunker of a debate.
And no, it's not just because 45 was not a part of it, and these are considered the JV team.
But it was just an absolute debacle of a planned, strategized, and carried out debate.
That's what we can say to start America First on this Thursday, seven minutes after the top of the hour, three o'clock hour here in the East Coast.
And of course, that would be what?
The twelve o'clock hour on the West Coast.
Thanks for being with us.
I am live in Cleveland, Ohio.
The ReliefFactor.com studios of AM 1420, The Answer.
I told my audience this in Cleveland this morning.
I've never seen a debate that had less control, even in a primary crowded stage situation, than this one did.
And the fact that it was carried out by two veteran debate moderators, Brett Baier and Martha McCallum, they're not rookies.
This is not their first rodeo.
They had no control.
No control over the crowd.
No control over the candidates.
No control over the shouting.
No control over the booing.
It was just a, it was a disaster.
It was an abject disaster.
We'll talk about who won and didn't win and who made, you know, scored points and helped themselves and who didn't.
We can talk about how Trump won just by not being there.
All of those things are going to be part of the conversation today.
But the fact that the way Fox held this thing was just such a mess.
Maybe they thought, now this is just, I'm spitballing here, okay?
Maybe they thought, we'll try the Jerry Springer thing.
Maybe.
Because Trump is going on Tucker on Twitter.
Tucker on Twitter is the name of his show in his periodic broadcast.
Trump is going on Tucker on Twitter during the same time where they're playing the recorded interview at the same time.
That's going to draw a ton of attention, which of course it did, and we'll talk about that too.
So how do we compete?
How do we make sure people want to tune into the, quote, JV Squad?
Maybe we go Jerry Springer.
Maybe we let the audience go bananas.
Maybe we let them scream and cheer and boo and heckle and hiss at the villains.
And maybe we let the candidates just rip each other to shreds.
No sense of time, no sense of class, dignity, decorum.
We'll just set debating back by a couple of decades or more.
Maybe that's what their plan was.
But if that was their plan, it worked, it was chaotic, and it was very, very hard to watch.
If it wasn't their plan, then they should fire whoever planned it.
I mean, we have seen debates where the audiences are admonished before the first questions are asked.
To remain silent.
The only people we will hear from in this auditorium or in this arena tonight are going to be the people with the microphones on the debate stage.
We don't need booing from you, we don't need cheering from you, we don't need shouts at different candidates from you.
If you do it, you will be removed from the venue.
That's how it's been done in many debates in the past.
They didn't apparently tell their audiences, maybe that's what they wanted.
But it did get so obnoxious and so over the top with partisans.
Remember, there were supporters of each candidate that were allowed in the crowd.
They probably brought their family members.
I mean, I don't know how they distributed tickets for this thing.
They, uh, it got so out of hand that Brett Baier at one point actually had to turn around and look at them and say, you know, you're not helping.
The more we hear from you, the less we can hear from them.
That should have been made clear at the beginning.
That should have been, you know, the announcement at the very beginning.
We're not going to be hearing from you.
We only want to hear from the candidates.
And then maybe it would have been a little bit better, but now we turn our attention And if you watched it last night, I of course welcome your thoughts.
We're going to be reacting to this.
What do you think really happened in that debate?
Who do you think really won?
Who do you think helped themselves the most?
Who do you think hurt themselves the most?
Who stayed the same?
The whole nine yards.
We're going to get all of that.
833-33-GORKA.
833-33-GORKA.
We want to hear from you.
We're going to talk to, by the way, somebody who should have been on that stage last night, but was not.
Larry Elder got screwed out of a spot.
He qualified according to all of the metrics that were necessary to get on that stage, and they disqualified one of the polls in which he had at least 1%.
They disqualified a Rasmussen poll.
And we're going to talk to Larry Elder here in like, I don't know, 10 minutes?
Something like that?
He should have been on that stage.
A little bit later on we're going to analyze this whole thing, and also President Trump turning himself in.
uh... to uh... in atlanta jail essentially for his mug shot they took the mug shots of all the lawyers and the other co-defendants yesterday we saw all of that he's gonna have to go and and deal with that nonsense a little bit later today we're gonna talk to alan dershowitz about the case against trump in georgia and so much more that'll be coming up in in the next hour and we have our fingers are crossed by the way hopeful to get jim jordan on we originally had a time schedule to talk to the chairman of the judiciary committee which has launched an investigation into Fulton County DA prosecutor Fannie Willis and her
association or her collaboration and maybe the C word that the left loves to use unless it's
against them, collusion with feds and federal authorities.
Jack Smith and his team.
Was there a joint effort here to get Donald Trump?
So we're hoping we're going to be able to keep that appointment with Jim Jordan, but
we're not sure.
He's got flight issues.
One flight was canceled.
Another one booked and we don't know if that one's going to go through or not, but at any
rate, that's who we're going to be talking to today today.
But getting back to first blush reactions of what happened on that stage.
Again, also relative to the performance of the moderators and the stage designers and everybody else who had something to do with the way this whole thing was set up.
They put the two highest polling candidates in the center of the stage for a reason.
They have them standing side-by-side.
Ron DeSantis, who's the first guy after Trump's, you know, 40-point lead.
Then Vivek, who's a few points behind him, depending on the poll.
And then, of course, they go down to the one-percenters on the outside.
Which, in my opinion, got far too many minutes of talk time anyway, despite their 1% status.
But they set it up so that the two bigger fish are together, in the expectation that they will kind of duke it out.
The pre-planned, expected, or whatever, battle between DeSantis and Ramaswamy never happened.
You take one step outside either direction, and you find yourself with Mike Pence, and you find yourself with Nikki Haley, you find yourself with Tim Scott out there, you know, and then Chris Christie.
That's where the battles came from.
And those were the battles that should have been cut short.
One of the worst debate strategies, as I see them, just having watched these political debates through the years, or plans is that if somebody mentions you, you get 30
seconds to respond.
There has to be a limit to that because all one guy's got to do is name somebody in a
30 second rant and then that person gets 30 seconds and when they name the guy back, oh,
we go back and forth and back and forth and the total talk time is all absorbed by a couple
of people who don't deserve that much attention.
Chris Christie, Mike Pence, Nikki Haley, maybe to a little bit of a lesser degree.
But that's where all of the battles were.
The overall talk time in the debate last night was largely not due to what the moderators wanted to give, which is important, but largely due to the 30-second rule and you get to battle back against somebody that picks on you.
And so the talk time last night was skewed as a result of that.
The goal is supposed to be, as I was saying, To have the number one vote getter, or highest poller if you will, be able to go duke it out with number two.
And instead, you've got Nikki Haley, who's way down there in the single digits, and she's
spent all this time attacking Vivek Ramaswamy on foreign policy matters.
And then you've got Chris Christie attacking Vivek Ramaswamy, saying he looks like Obama,
and he did, because he stole an Obama line at the very beginning of the debate, who's
this skinny kid up here with the funny last name.
The exact same line that Barack Obama used in his first debate.
And then you had Mike Pence going after Vivek Ramaswamy on his age, and they all ignored
DeSantis.
So the whole talk time kind of skewed everything.
The battles that they allowed to go on, not one after the other, but shouting over the top of one another, made it a chaotic mess.
It really did look like a Jerry Springer episode.
You remember those, right?
All right.
We're going to talk about it.
Larry Elder should have been a part of that fray last night.
Larry Elder is going to be joining us next.
I'm Bob Frantz sitting in for Dr. G on America First.
Stay right here.
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Now let's get back to the show with Bob Franz.
All right, thank you, Dr. G. Twenty minutes after the hour, it is America First Live in Cleveland, Ohio, on AM 1420.
The answer, that's the home base, the ReliefFactor.com studios.
We are going to be joined momentarily by former Salem Nationally Syndicated host Larry Elder, who is, of course, running for president as a long-shot candidate, and he should have been a long-shot candidate on stage last night, along with a couple of others.
Who qualified at the last minute.
Larry Elder qualified and they screwed him, it's my understanding, by discounting one of the polls in which he qualified.
And I'm told Larry Elder, the sage of South Central, is with us now live here on America First with Dr. G. Larry Elder, so good to talk to you my friend.
How are you, sir?
I'm doing well.
Go try.
By the way, when I become a president, one of the first things I'm going to do is sign an executive order to restore the name Cleveland Indians.
This Guardian stuff has got to go.
Yes, sir.
It absolutely does.
I'm with you.
Larry, I tweeted it yesterday.
I saw your commentary when it looked like late on Tuesday night that you were not going to be allowed onto that stage.
I knew you had tried to file a motion and a joiner to stop them from holding this without you.
Tell us what happened.
How'd you get screwed?
What happened is I, in my opinion, comply with all their criteria.
40,000 individual donations, check.
200 had to come from 20 different states, check.
Three national polls where you're at 1% or higher, check, check, check.
I get a phone call from Ronna McDaniel, the chairwoman of the RNC, and Dave Bossie, the debate czar.
I'm sorry, we're going to disqualify you because one of the polls you used, we can't use.
Which one?
Rasmussen, why can't you use it?
It's quote, affiliated with the Trump campaign.
Assuming that is true, it's not affiliated with my campaign, why am I being punished?
Well, any poll affiliated with any other candidates cannot be used by any other candidate.
Now, shortly after that, the Rasmussen people put out a tweet.
And said Trump had nothing to do with our poll, did not commission it, did not even know we were doing it.
Elder had nothing to do with the poll.
Elder ought to be able to use, it said, our poll as one of the three that he needs to qualify for the debate.
And then after that, we submitted another poll with me well over 1%, but the RNC said, I'm sorry, you turned it over too late.
Well, it wouldn't have been too late if I had known you were going to disqualify one of my polls.
And this is how corrupt this is.
One of the candidates up there last night, gave a $20 gift certificate for a $1 donation.
Another one gave a commission for people to go out and get donors.
And if you got donors, those donors got a commission to go out and get other donors.
So it seems to me it corrupted the whole integrity of the process.
It's not illegal, but I did it the old fashioned way.
I said, go to my website, larryella.com and make a contribution.
In my opinion, I got screwed.
Now, as of just a few minutes ago, we filed a complaint with the FEC Arguing that in essence what the RNC did was to make an in-kind contribution to the eight people who made the debate stage at the detriment of Larry Elder.
Also it means that Fox News made an in-kind contribution to the detriment of Larry Elder.
It could subject either of those entities to a hundred million dollars in fines.
And my lawyer is, wait for it, the former chair of the Federal Election Commission.
And he's the one who made the argument.
So, we filed that complaint.
We're going to see what happens.
The next step, however, is to qualify for that next debate in September in California at the Ronald Reagan Library.
You have to have 50,000 individual donations.
We have already done that.
And you have to get 3 percent in the polls.
We have a couple where we're at 1 percent and 2 percent.
So, I believe, over the course of the next month, I'm going to be able to hit that 3 percent.
And I will be back.
You need to be.
You absolutely should be.
Larry, you're one of the most gracious people I know.
You handle everything with calm.
You're very chill about things, even though you had to be fuming last night.
As you watched that thing play out, knowing you should have been on that stage, how did you feel?
Were you angry?
Or did you just kind of take it in stride?
No, I'm pretty angry about it, but I was happy that Vivek Ramaswamy mentioned the epidemic of fatherlessness.
That's the term he used.
First person I thought of was you.
When he said that, I thought Larry Elder would be making that statement on that stage right now.
Well, I've been on the debate stage with him many times in Iowa, New Hampshire.
He never once mentioned it, but he mentioned it verbatim last night.
I'm happy that he mentioned it, and hopefully the other candidates will start talking about this, and the Democrats, and the country, because it is the number one social problem in America.
I was happy that Ron DeSantis mentioned a method to get rid of these soft on crime George Soros
backed DAs.
On my website larryholder.com I've got legislation that states can adopt
to do just that. I was not happy that nobody tackled this lie that America remains systemically racist.
That's a lie Democrats have been pushing and pushing and pushing. It's not only
driving nonsense like reparations which in my opinion is the extraction of money
from people who were never slave owners to be given to people who were never slaves.
It's getting people killed.
It's called the Ferguson effect or the George Floyd effect, and that's a phenomenon of cops pulling back all over America.
for fear of being called systemically racist. And as a result, there are thousands of what I call
excess casualties, including people dead who otherwise would not be dead if the police were
doing their normal proactive policing. It is a lie Democrats have been pushing to make sure they get
that black vote. And Republicans, in my opinion, have not taken on that lie in an aggressive way.
I will. Also, there is an absolute meltdown of K-12 education in urban America, where,
just to pick one city, there were 13 public high schools in Baltimore, I kid you not,
where 0 percent of the kids can do math at grade level.
This is a tragedy. Half of all black kids It's an outrage.
I'm bringing these issues front and center.
can't do basic reading, which means a substantial amount of black teenagers in America are functionally
illiterate. But the Democrats oppose school choice, even as a party elites, whether it's
Barack Obama or Gavin Newsom or Joe Biden, have their own kids in private school.
It's an outrage. I'm bringing these issues front and center.
Nobody else is.
Larry, let me ask you this.
We're talking to the sage of South Central, former Salem syndicated host, one of the best to ever do it, in my opinion, Larry Elder.
He should have been on that debate stage last night.
I'm going to ask you a couple of the questions that everybody had to respond to with their hand in the air.
One of the questions was, if former President Trump is the nominee, and he ends up being convicted of one or more felonies, will you still support him as you pledged to?
Almost every hand went up there.
Ron DeSantis, very, very late, put his hand up there.
Christie, of course, never did.
What would you have done in that moment?
Not only will I still support him, but when I become president, I will pardon him.
There's a two-tier system of justice in this country.
It is outrageous.
Hillary was treated one way, even though she clearly violated the Espionage Act by having an unsecured server in her basement.
She had 30,000 emails that were under subpoena.
All of a sudden, they go poof.
Uh, and she paid for the steel dossier.
The FEC leveled a fine because she characterized it as a legal expense.
Donald Trump characterized the money that he paid Stormy Daniels as a legal expense.
He is facing criminal charges by the Manhattan DA.
It is outrageous.
And Joe Biden is still under investigation for having documents in four or five different locations, even though he claims
he turned over the documents, unlike Donald Trump.
Well, if that's the case, why is the investigation taking so long? And only recently did they
appoint a special counsel to look into pay or play that Joe Biden benefited from. And
the special counsel is the one that approved the sweetheart deal that a judge refused to
accept.
So, Donald Trump is being screwed. And, last night, he was referred to as an insurrectionist.
What is that all about? All he did was make an argument, the same arguments Democrats
made in 2000.
They tried to disqualify Florida.
Same argument they made in 2004 when they tried to disqualify Ohio, claiming that the debold voting machines had been manipulated, even though there's no evidence.
Same argument they made after 2016.
And they challenged more states than Donald Trump did after the 2020 election.
Nobody accused them of stealing elections, of undermining our foundations of our republic.
Nobody accused them of being election deniers.
I thought they were a First Amendment They had a right to complain under the First Amendment and they were sore losers.
We do it and we're called election deniers.
It is an unfair double standard and Donald Trump is taking more incoming than I've ever seen any president ever take and he's still standing strong.
It's amazing to me, really quite amazing.
Larry Elder, they denied you your time in front of millions of people on that stage last night.
I'm willing to give you more time with millions of Gorka listeners.
Can you stick around?
Absolutely.
Let's do this.
We'll continue with Larry Elder, who was denied his spot on the stage last night.
Tonight we will give him the entire spotlight for another segment or two right here on America
First with Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
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Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
I'm glad to get that intro from Dr. G, because when I know I've got Larry Elder on the line here, my head goes to all the times I sat in for Larry Elder and I was about to say, in for the sage?
No, I'm in for Dr. G, but I'm with the sage.
Larry Elder, former Salem host, now he is a candidate for the presidency of the United States.
He was denied his rightful spot on that stage last night in Milwaukee.
So Larry, we're going to kind of let you have your debate moment here with millions of GORCA listeners around this country.
And I'll ask you one of the questions they asked everybody that was on that stage last night.
And let's go to Ukraine.
They said, raise your hand if you will still continue to fund Ukraine and that's a top priority for you.
You got some hands up, some not.
What would Larry Elder's hand have done?
The answer is I won't continue to fund Ukraine.
We've already spent about $100 billion.
The biggest threat are the European countries, not us.
We're doing the heavy lifting like we always do.
We're the biggest funder of the United Nations.
We're the biggest funder of the World Bank.
the biggest funder of the International Monetary Fund.
NATO allies are still not pointing up the 2% of their GDP that they're supposed to,
and the American people are sick of being taken advantage of.
And let's remember the original sin here is Joe Biden pulling out the way he pulled out
of Afghanistan.
That wasn't even brought up last night, leaving $7 billion worth of equipment, not informing
our allies, leaving Americans behind, leaving Afghans who work with us behind.
And he's also Putin basically has already lost this war.
This is the second year.
Most of the experts thought the war was going to be over in a matter of days, if not a matter
of weeks.
Into the second year, he's lost.
Putin has 200,000 troops.
That would be the equivalent of America, adjusted for our size, of losing 400,000 troops.
He's lost about 20 or 30 generals on the battlefield, or they've disappeared.
He had a quasi-coup against him, and their economy is in a free fall.
He wants an off-ramp.
We ought to pressure both sides to give him one and get out of this thing.
Let's talk a little more foreign policy, because a lot of the responses and the analyses in
the wake of last night's performance, a lot of people said Vivek Ramaswamy was the winner,
but he got hit hard by Nikki Haley on foreign policy.
She talked about China and Taiwan, suggesting that Vivek, if he was in charge, would not defend Taiwan, which would compromise the United States, and also the funding of our most staunch ally in the Middle East, which of course is Israel.
If you had been on the stage and gotten the questions, how would you answer those?
Well, obviously we continue to support Israel.
Israel is in the front line against the war of Islamo-fascism.
And they're in the front line against Iran developing a nuclear bomb.
And if Iran gets a nuclear bomb, they won't just use it against Israel, they'll use it against us.
They consider Israel to be little Satan and us to be the big Satan.
So we clearly need to continue to back them.
Regarding China, it's more complicated.
We have an intertwined economy with China.
We shouldn't, but we do.
We're dependent upon China for pharmaceuticals, for components that go into our military,
for the rare earth minerals that are in the E.V.s that Joe Biden wants everybody to buy.
We need to decouple our dependence upon China.
China has a military that's twice the size of ours.
And I subscribe to the Poland power doctrine, which is that you don't go to war unless you
have overwhelming military superiority.
We don't.
Their army is twice the size of ours, and overwhelming domestic support.
And Americans are divided as to whether or not we ought to put boots on the ground regarding
China.
So I think we have to be very careful and to make sure that we end up not getting into
a shooting war with China.
Let China know that there'll be a great deal of economic consequences if they continue
their aggression and if they threaten Taiwan.
That's the way to deal with it.
I'm glad you brought up the rare earth minerals and the EVs, because Biden just struck another deal in deference to the eco-warriors.
It's going to make it even harder and harder to get our fossil fuels, to drill, to frack, and to mine for everything that we need.
If you're President Elder, and again, if you were on the stage last night, you might have been able to answer this question, but if you're President Elder, what are you doing about this movement toward green energy?
Mining for rare earth minerals in China or in Africa and run and controlled by the Chinese as opposed to mining for coal, drilling for oil, fracking for natural gas.
Well, I'm an all-of-the-above guy, including nuclear.
I have a documentary coming out in just a few weeks called EVs, The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly, done in conjunction with Epoch Times, where I used to work.
And there's a lot of ugly.
The narrative is that EVs are better for the planet on par than gas-powered cars.
They are not.
It requires fossil fuel-generated energy to make the EV, transport the EV.
It makes us even more dependent upon China, as we talked about earlier, for the rare earth
minerals, the exploitation of child labor in places like the Congo.
You add it all up, they are — EV is not better for the planet than a gasoline-powered
car.
And this force-feeding Americans into buying them is outrageous.
You have a governor out here in California, Bob, mandating that by the year 2035, no more
sale of new gasoline-powered cars.
This climate change alarmism is just that.
It's alarmism, and it's got to stop.
You know in meanwhile it gas is back up to 385 a gallon 390 a gallon
National average out there in California is probably around $5, but it's $3.85.
Bidenomics.
That was another big topic last night.
Bidenomics.
We only have 30 seconds here, Larry.
You want to do one more?
I'll let you do one more.
I'll do one more.
Bidenomics is not working.
It's been lying about having reduced the deficit.
Even the Washington Post gave him a new category called the bottomless Pinocchio, which means the lie is told so often it becomes propaganda.
I'm going to give you one more shot, one more segment, because there's a few more questions I want to get out there.
I want everybody to hear from you the way they should have last night.
And I will ask you from those who were on the stage, who won?
Larry Elder answers that question and more when we come right back.
Thank you for watching.
You have a good day.
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We continue now with Larry Elder, who is a presidential candidate who qualified for the
debate last night.
He was not allowed on that stage after they discounted one of the polls that he had in
which he was at least at 1%.
And Larry, just to remind everybody who just turned it on, just within the last couple of hours you filed a very important motion, right?
I filed a complaint with the FEC alleging that, essentially, by not putting me up there, the FEC and Fox News gave an in-kind contribution to the eight people who were there to the detriment of Larry Elder.
A fine could be levied as much as $100 million to the RNC and to Fox News.
We gave them until 2 o'clock yesterday to back down and put me up there on the debate stage.
Otherwise, we were going to unleash that complaint.
They didn't do it.
The complaint just dropped just a few minutes ago.
Beautiful.
Well, of course we'll stay up to date with you, but I certainly hope you get some remedy for what was done to you yesterday.
And hopefully you will not have the same problem in September when you should be on that next stage.
So Larry, we're going back to the debate last night.
Big topic of conversation, which is a big topic of conversation in every American kitchen and living room right now, is how are we going to pay the bills?
Bidinomics is squeezing the middle class.
I saw a study the other day.
$7,400 per month is what... I'm sorry, I did that wrong.
$709 per month.
It is costing people to get the same thing that they had a year ago.
So it comes out to around $8,400 a year that Americans are losing because of Bidinomics and inflation.
So President Elder, what's your first order of business in fixing that?
reverse Bidenomics, stop paying people not to work, stop this war on oil and gas, he
stopped the drilling on federal properties, he stopped the Keystone pipeline.
We have more oil under the ground than any other country in the world, including Saudi Arabia, and we should unleash the entrepreneurship of America and get these prices down.
We also need an amendment to the Constitution to fix spending to a certain percentage of the GDP.
Otherwise, government gets bigger and bigger and bigger, whether Republicans are in office or Democrats are in office, because of the so-called entitlements programs.
Barack Obama referred to them as unsustainable.
Bill Clinton referred to them as unsustainable.
Nothing gets done because woe to a politician who runs promising to reform any of these entitlements programs because the other side will accuse you of not caring about the poor, the sick, the elderly.
The only way to really rein in spending is with a law that forces the politicians to do that.
And as president, I will use my bully pulpit to recommend an amendment to the Constitution.
And that's not pie in the sky, Bob.
The Constitution has been amended on average every 10 years.
It can be done as long as people realize why we're doing it.
Especially young people for whom these programs will not be there unless there's major reform.
So they talked about Bidenomics last night quite a bit, and everybody had their own spin on it.
So as you watched that thing, Larry, again, wishing that you were up there debating with them, who do you think would be the strongest performer at the end of the night?
The person that won the debate was Donald Trump by not showing up.
It was very prudent.
When you have a lead that big, economics 101 is you don't debate, especially against people that have 1% or 2% with nothing to lose.
And that's exactly what he thought.
And what he assumed, I think, quite properly is that people like Chris Christie and Asa
Hutchinson would go after him.
I mean, Chris Christie even used the word insurrectionist to refer to him, for crying
out loud.
Hillary for four years referred to Donald Trump as having stolen the election, called
him illegitimate, to the point where two-thirds of Democrats falsely believe the Russians
changed vote tallies in order to get Donald Trump elected.
Never mind J. Johnson, Obama's DHS secretary, testified under oath that, while the Russians
tried mightily, they failed to change a single vote tally, yet two-thirds of Democrats believe
In other words, a greater percentage of Republicans believe 2016 was stolen than Democrats believe 2016 was stolen than Republicans feel that way about 2020.
But nobody calls them election deniers.
Nobody accuses them of undermining the foundation of our republic.
And its double standard has got to stop.
I still would like to have seen him there, but I do understand your point.
You make a very, very good case.
Now, let's limit it to the eight that were on the stage last night.
Who do you think had the best night?
Well, again, I don't think any one of them particularly stood out.
I don't like the idea of Ramaswamy saying he's the only one who's not bought and paid for.
I don't like the idea of Donald Trump being referred to as an insurrectionist.
I don't like the idea that all of them didn't chime in and say, no matter how you feel about Donald Trump, there is a double standard of justice.
Hillary got a pass for the unsecured server in her basement.
She got a pass for destroying 30,000 emails that were under subpoena.
She got a pass.
We're paying for the Steele dossier, got a fine for the FEC, Donald Trump characterized the payments of Stormy Daniels as a legal expense, and he's facing criminal charges by the Manhattan DA.
So all of them, no matter how they felt about Donald Trump, should be yelling and screaming about the two-tier system of justice, yet none of them — yet there wasn't that kind of unity that I would have liked to have seen, and I would have mentioned that in my opening statement.
The goal is not to tear each other down.
The goal is to go after Biden-Harris.
When I ran for governor out here in California and they wanted me to take shots at my fellow replacement candidates, I didn't do it.
I said, I'm sorry.
The goal is Gavin Newsom.
Gavin Newsom needs to be recalled.
Ask me about Gavin Newsom.
And that should have been the focus that they should have had instead of chewing each other up and tearing down Donald Trump.
You know, the next time we talk, we may be talking about Gavin Newsom being on the other side once again, because who knows if Biden and Harris are going to be able to make it to the ticket as the Democrat nominees.
Larry Elder, thank you so much for coming on.
I'm so glad to give you a forum here and a platform to reach all of the people that you, well, as many of them as we could, that you couldn't get to last night on that debate stage.
Good luck to you in September, my friend.
And Bob, the fear of Gavin Newsom is why I wrote a book called As Goes California, My Mission to Rescue the Golden State and Save the Nation, because if Gavin Newsom runs, It's coming attraction to a state near you.
You don't want California.
Amen to that.
Thank you, Larry Elder.
We'll be back.
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Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
Six minutes before the top of the hour, Dr. G. Thank you for that introduction and thanks to Larry Elder who did a little bit of overtime for us.
You know, it's kind of funny.
I didn't plan that.
I was only going to be a one segment interview like most of the interviews we do on America First and really across the Salem network.
But you know what?
I felt bad and I mean it.
Larry Elder had a lot to offer, I think.
And yes, he would have been out on the edge of the stage.
And I know it sounds hypocritical, because I said, well, you know, those guys on the edge of the stage, because they're one percenters, shouldn't be getting all of that talk time.
I'm sorry.
Larry Elder is not Burgum.
Larry Elder is not Hutchinson.
Larry Elder would have absolutely commanded a presence there, and he would have made his presence known.
I guarantee you he would.
And he needs to be there in September.
So I will tell you this.
I want to do him a favor.
Because he is now, you know, you just heard him talk about this suit that he filed, this lawsuit against the RNC and against Fox for not letting him on that stage and for discounting his polls and so on and so forth.
And he's going to need some help with the expensive.
I want to help him.
With the expenses, excuse me.
I want to help him.
LarryElder.com.
LarryElder.com is where you can go learn more about his policies and platforms and so forth, but also make a donation.
Donate $5.
You got $5?
Don't have a coffee tomorrow, okay?
Give him $5 and help him out with his defense, or excuse me, with his legal fees because he is fighting for the right things.
Look, I don't think Larry Elder is going to win the presidency.
Don't get me wrong.
I'm not sitting here telling you this is the guy that's got to... Donald Trump is almost certain to win the nomination.
There's probably a 99.5% chance of that.
Nobody else on that stage last night is going to catch him, particularly based on the performances that we saw of the people at the top.
That's my view.
So I don't think Larry Elder has a chance of catching him either.
But Larry Elder needs to be a part of the process and a part of the conversation.
He is going to make every single candidate on the stage, if he's up there in September, earn their talk time and earn the support of the people that may be considering giving it.
Because he is going to pull a lot of people to him.
And they're going to have to fight to keep their supporters on their side.
If they're not already Trumpers, if they're not only Trumpers, You know, there's never Trumpers, and then there's only Trumpers.
The people on that stage last night were fighting for the scraps of whoever is not an only Trumper.
And I promise you, Larry Elder will pull some of the non-only Trumpers, the ones who are really still open to other people, over his side.
So I really want him to be there.
And I really appreciate him coming on, and I hope he appreciates, I know he does, getting the forum to speak to so many of Dr. G's supporters.
All right, so we've got a top of the hour coming up.
On the other side of that, we're going to get into one of the biggest stories of the day that doesn't involve the actual debate.
Oh sure, we'll get his response and his reaction to the debate too, but we are going to talk with a former, or I guess we call him Harvard Law Professor Emeritus, Alan Dershowitz, about The Feds collaborating with the Fulton County D.A., Fannie Willis, the one who's filing these ridiculous charges against President Trump and 18 others.
We're going to have that conversation with Ellen Dershowitz next hour.
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It was clunky and awkward.
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I thought that was clunky and clumsy.
The whole thing was clunky and clumsy.
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So, last night, and we're talking about reactions and responses to what we saw on the debate stage last night, one of the most talked about issues, because it's always going to generate passion on one side or the other, was the abortion issue.
And before we go to your phone calls of reaction, and we've got Alan Dershowitz, by the way, waiting in the wings, too.
Next segment.
I want to bring something up here, and I want to get your feeling on that when you call 833-33-GORKA.
And that is the question of whether or not the abortion question is a winning question for Republicans in these elections, whether it be in a primary election like this or as we get into 2024 and other races.
Is abortion a winning question?
And let's start this part of the discussion with Nikki Haley from last night.
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I think we're all pro-life, but what I would love is for someone to ask Biden and Kamala Harris, are they for 38 weeks?
Are they for 39 weeks?
Are they for 40 weeks?
Because that's what the media needs to be asking.
That is exactly right.
Now, I've got two stories to respond to that or kind of launched off of that.
One is from one of the hosts who moderated last night, Martha McCallum.
She introduced the topic last night, obviously, and she pointed out something that, you know, not a lot of people want to face.
If you're pro-life, I am You probably are.
Dr. G is.
If you're pro-life, you don't want to face this reality, but it might be one.
Here's what Martha McCallum said, and I quote, abortion has been a losing issue for Republicans since the Dobbs decision.
In six state referendums, all have upheld abortion rights in this country.
Even in red states, there are more swing state referendums that are coming up as we head into the election as well on this.
Now, as you can see from my background, as I mentioned, I'm in Ohio.
We just had one of these.
We had a special election, not about abortion particularly.
It was a special election we held earlier this month on whether or not we should raise the threshold for amending our state constitution from 50 percent plus one, which is not a majority at all, really, to 60 percent, which isn't even supermajority, but it's stronger.
And that was in advance of this November 7th.
We have an election.
In which there is an abortion on-demand amendment.
The abortion on-demand amendment literally will allow women, mothers, would-be mothers, to abort their children for any reason, at any time, all the way up to the moment of birth.
And it's a huge, huge issue here.
Now, here's the problem.
That earlier this month special election I just told you about, in which we wanted to raise the threshold so it would be harder for them to amend the Constitution and allow abortion on demand all the way up to the moment of birth?
Guess what?
It was defeated.
Bigly.
Or big league, if you will.
We lost that special election by about 13 points.
So now it's going to be, all it takes is 50% of the voting electorate in Ohio plus one voter to allow abortion on demand, not just in our Ohio revised code, which of course could be amended or revised, but it would be actually enshrined into the Ohio Constitution.
That's a huge, huge risk.
So I bring up Martha McCallum, and then here's story number two.
Jen Psaki, the former press secretary that became widely known to a lot of people as Peppermint Patty because of her startling resemblance to Peppermint Patty from Peanuts, turned by some, including yours truly, into Propaganda Patty, which means it makes a little bit more sense.
She went to Twitter last night about that and declared, quote, no one supports abortion up until birth.
Just a flat statement, 9.40pm last night.
Now you ponder that.
How would you respond to that if you could?
Here's how some people responded to it.
This is big news!
Democrats have apparently changed their position, according to Jen Psaki, since they overwhelmingly voted to allow abortions up until birth last year.
And Joe Biden supported it.
So Jen, what restrictions on abortion do Democrats support?
Please be specific.
That one came from Senator Rick Scott in Florida.
Ben Shapiro said, excellent, please explain your favorite abortion restrictions.
Guy Benson said, really?
What limitations does your party support?
Ed Morrissey said, please explain of what week of gestation you would support an abortion ban.
And then Lila Rose, pro-life advocate, said, name one abortion you'd ban.
You can't, because your boss insists on allowing all.
So let's throw that out there.
If there are any leftists and pro-choicers, which I lovingly refer to as pro-deathers, because as you may or may not realize, if you look up the word life in a thesaurus and you look for antonyms, which means opposite, you will never see the word choice as the opposite of life.
The opposite of life is death.
That's the antonym.
So you're either pro-life or you're pro-death.
So the pro-death cult, if any of you are listening out in this phenomenal America First audience and you want to tell us, where do you draw the line?
Where do you restrict a woman's quote, right to choose?
Since Jen Psaki said no one in the Democrat Party supports abortion up until birth.
So what is it for you?
Eight months?
Seven months?
Six?
Where do you draw the line?
I'd like to know, because every Democrat I've heard argue this case says they want abortion on demand, without apology, without explanation, because it's their body.
Never mind the fact that it's also a baby's body.
Okay, let's get some reactions to last night.
We'll go to Mike.
Let's see.
It's Mike, okay.
It says Mike Pence, but it says Mike Pence shouldn't be on that stage.
Mike, welcome to America First.
You're on the air.
Bob France sitting in.
Fire away.
Oh, there is no mic.
Okay, line one, I've got mic, so I have a little bit of a problem here.
So it's Phil, who wants to talk about Mike Pence.
Alright, we're clarifying the screen now.
Okay, buddy.
Phil, fire away.
Bob, thank you.
Nikki Haley came out and said that Ukraine is the first line of defense against communism.
She's absolutely dead wrong.
Mike Pence was the first line of defense against communism.
He had a senator, he had a representative, he even had a delegation from Pennsylvania come down.
Do not certify this election.
But he ran out, he certified and ran out like a coward.
He could have easily, Bob, went out on them Capitol steps with a bullhorn and said, if you people do not leave here immediately, I'm going back in and certifying this thing.
He would have cleared it out in 0.38 seconds, but he ran.
And he let the fox in the henhouse with a compromised collaborator, the Crypt Keeper Biden, who's working hand-in-hand with the Communists, to destroy every facet of freedom that we have here in America.
What did you make of the fact that everybody on that stage who answered the question about Mike Pence said that Mike Pence did the right thing on January 6th?
Why didn't they ask it a different way?
How many of you would have certified that election?
I wouldn't have.
I think by saying that Mike Pence did the right thing, they all were saying that that's what I would have done.
I think they pretty much did clarify that.
So what do you make of that?
I don't think anybody on that stage said they wouldn't have done it.
Look, the Constitution by our Founding Fathers gave us so many different ways to protect our way of life.
What they didn't come up with is a way to protect us from a Constitution-hating collaborator like Biden.
They didn't factor that into the Constitution.
No, and you don't have to convince me of that.
I understand your point, but I'm just saying, on that stage, were you disappointed that nobody said, no, Mike Pence should have held that off, not certified the election, called for the 10-day audit, which is all people were asking for that day, a 10-day audit of some of the states in which very controversial and questionable situations needed to be explored.
Give us a 10-day audit before we certify the election.
Nobody said that's what should have been done.
You still there, Phil?
So what do you make of that?
As long as you're still there.
What do you make of the fact that nobody said that he should have done it differently?
That's when I turned it off.
I was devastated.
Devastated, Bob.
Okay, that's what I'm looking for.
I want to know what people would have said and what they would have done and what they supported.
Thank you for the call, Phil, in Philadelphia.
Look, this is a very, very touchy situation because they are trying to call Donald Trump and everybody who was there that day insurrectionists.
They were not.
They were calling for a constitutionally protected question, and that is, are these electors
legal?
Are they legitimate?
Should their electoral votes be certified?
Or are there questions about their legality?
Because of some of the decisions that were made by the secretaries of state in certain
states, there were irregularities that just needed to be explored.
Nobody said this is an — this is a, you know, overthrowing of the government.
Nobody said this was an insurrection.
It was none of those things.
It was a legitimate question.
Nobody on that stage last night was willing to say Mike Pence did the wrong thing.
We'll have to explore that a little bit more.
We're going to talk to Alan Dershowitz next.
I'm Bob Francin for Dr. G we'll be back.
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Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
Twenty minutes after the hour, let's do exactly that.
Thank you Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
Welcome to America First.
If you just turned us on, if you missed the first hour, you missed a great interview with Larry Elder, you're going to want to watch that on the Salem News Channel or any other way that you can get that after the fact.
I want to welcome to the program now One of the most respected legal minds in American history, taught law at Harvard for 50 years now, Professor Emeritus.
He is active in litigation, writing in the defense of civil liberties and human rights.
He's also the author of Get Trump.
He doesn't like Donald Trump, but he sure likes the Constitution, and he doesn't like what's being done right now.
Alan Dershowitz, Professor, good to have you back here on America First.
How are you, sir?
I'm great, thank you.
You know, it's important to recognize that before we talk about what is being done to Donald Trump.
You're not a Trump supporter.
You didn't vote for Donald Trump either time, did you?
No, and I have a constitutional right to vote against him a third time, and I don't want that right taken away from me by Lawrence Tribe or Judge Ludick or any of the others who want to disqualify Trump under the 14th Amendment.
Or any prosecutor who wants to prevent him from running for office by prosecuting him.
I want the right to vote.
You should have the right to vote for him.
I should have the right to vote against him.
That's the American way.
Let the Americans decide.
Well, let's talk a little bit about those trials in a moment and about these indictments and the prosecutions and so forth.
But first, let's talk about something that I just became aware of shortly before I went on the air this afternoon, and that is, and I got this from your Twitter feed, people should follow you at Alan Dersh, D-E-R-S-H, a New York Times writer Is urging America to end elections, literally just cancel all elections if that's what it's going to take to stop Donald Trump.
I see you've got the headline.
You're holding it up right now for those watching on Salem News Channel.
What on earth?
I mean, this is in the New York Times.
End elections?
Are they that desperate?
Well, they got so embarrassed about that headline to improve democracy, get rid of elections, that they changed the headline.
Now you can't find that headline online, but I have a copy of it.
The article is still the same.
It basically says, if we want public office to have integrity, we might be better off eliminating elections altogether.
When I first saw it, I thought it was tongue in cheek, or maybe it was just a thought experiment, but it's part and parcel.
of what the anti-Trump, what the get-Trump people are trying to do.
They're trying every possible way of taking the right to vote in the Trump election away from the voters.
They're doing it through indicting him.
They're doing it through trying to invoke the 14th Amendment, which was designed to prevent people who fought in the Civil War against the Union from running.
They're doing everything possible.
And that's why I worry so much about the safety Of Donald Trump, because there are people out there who think they should go even a step further.
And the ultimate form of censorship, as George Bernard Shaw once said, is assassination.
I hope it never happens.
I've lived through too many of them in my life.
John Kennedy, I was working with Bobby Kennedy at the time he was assassinated.
Martin Luther King.
Let's take that completely off the table.
But people have gone so far.
People, I have to tell you, on Martha's Vineyard in Chilmar, If somebody assassinated Donald Trump, he'd be a hero.
That person would be a hero.
They think that he's Adolf Hitler.
They think anybody who's been his lawyer like me is Heinrich Himmler.
And they're so extreme that they're prepared to do anything.
I've heard people say that.
Anything.
We can abolish the Constitution, abolish elections.
Don't worry, we'll get them back.
Just keep Donald Trump from becoming president.
They don't trust the people.
They don't trust elections.
They don't trust due process.
That's the new woke way of approaching life in America.
We are talking with Professor Alan Dershowitz, Professor Emeritus at Harvard Law.
You read my mind because just yesterday on this very program Grant Stinchfield was hosting and he brought up something, Dan Bongino had brought it up as well, in that there is a legitimate concern for the safety and the security of Donald Trump because of what you just said.
The really extremist radicals on the left view him as Hitler.
And it's something that's bandied about.
If you had a chance to kill Hitler before Hitler could kill six million Jews, would you have done it?
And people say, yeah, of course I would.
So, I mean, I don't want to think like this either, but Professor, I mean, I guarantee you his secret security detail was thinking about that.
I hope so.
I hope so.
And I hope he doesn't come to Chilmark, where I think his life literally might be in danger.
People are so extreme here.
People are so extreme.
They will not talk to anybody who has anything positive, not only to say about Donald Trump, but about his rights, his constitutional rights.
When I wrote my book Get Trump, it was banned from the library, from the bookstores.
I couldn't speak about it in any public forums.
The only place you can get that, Trump, is on Amazon.
It was number one nonfiction bestseller on Amazon, and you couldn't get it in the local bookstores,
on Martha's Vineyard or other places.
There's an attempt to censor anything that's designed to give a somewhat positive view
of Donald Trump's rights.
It's McCarthyism, but it's worse than McCarthyism, because the people doing it are young.
They're our future.
They're our academics.
Old McCarthyism was by old people who were at the end of their careers.
This new McCarthyism is by young people who are just starting out.
And in 20 years, we'll be in Congress, in the editorial boards of The New York Times, and in the Oval Office.
Professor, make it make some sense, and I know that's a tough ask here, but we have had differences.
I know conservatives like me who despised Barack Obama and everything that he stood for and everything that he did.
I know there were those who felt the same way on the flip side about Ronald Reagan.
Of course somebody did, but for an entirely different reason, tried to assassinate President Reagan.
But my point is, what is it about Donald Trump that drives these people beyond just, it's the leader of the other party and I disagree with his platform, I disagree with his policies.
What drives them to this state of almost insanity?
Because he's provocative and he fights back.
I remember when Barry Goldwater was running for president and a bunch of psychiatrists got together and said he was mentally ill and nobody should vote for him.
They got disciplined by the American Psychiatric Association.
A new rule was provided.
But that's about as far as they went with Goldwater.
People remember the ad with Goldwater.
He's going to blow up your children.
It was a picture of a young girl playing with a flower.
suddenly disappears in a hydrogen bomb.
So people were very scared.
People were scared of communists when I was growing up during the McCarthy period, but I have never, ever seen anything like this.
This idea that Trump is so bad that we can violate the Constitution.
Put another way, the framers of the Constitution weren't smart enough to write a constitution that can deal with Donald Trump.
We have to take extra constitutional measures.
We have to figure out ways of distorting the Constitution To go after Donald Trump.
The latest was today.
The district attorney of Fulton County, I couldn't believe it when I heard it, said she wants to bring this case to trial within two months.
Never in the history of the world has a case so complex with 19 defendants, with multiple counts, been brought to trial not in two months, not in four months, not in six months, not in eight months, not in 10 months.
But she wants to bring this case to trial in two months.
It's a rush to injustice.
And nobody cares.
A group of law professors and judges wrote an amicus brief in the case involving the District of Columbia saying, we want the trial to be conducted before January 2nd.
You know why?
The goal is this.
Get Trump convicted before the election.
Oh, sure.
The convictions will probably be reversed on appeal, but that won't happen.
Until after the election.
So, let's get him convicted before the election.
Let's rush to injustice.
Let's make sure that he's denied a fair trial.
He'll get convicted.
Sure, he'll get convicted in the District of Columbia.
96% anti-Trump.
Sure, he'll get convicted in New York.
They would convict a ham sandwich.
Professor, let me jump in there.
We're getting a little break up anyway on the connection, but this is a perfect time.
We'll take a time out here when I come back and talk more about justice and more about whether or not Donald Trump can get anything resembling a fair trial in any of the four cases against him.
We'll continue with Professor Dershowitz on America First.
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Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
All right, Dr. G, thank you.
Thirty-three minutes past the hour now.
We've got one more segment with Professor Emeritus Alan Dershowitz.
Spent five decades teaching young lawyers at Harvard.
He's now writing books, among other things.
Get Trump is his latest.
And we're talking about how they're trying to get Trump in a different kind of a way.
Well, actually, this is exactly what the intent is.
So, Professor Dershowitz, You mentioned 96% left-wing Democrat jury pool to choose from in Washington, D.C.
It's probably pretty close to that in Manhattan.
And in Fulton County, I think they went for Biden, 75%.
Can he get a fair trial with a tainted left-wing jury, a tainted left-wing prosecutor?
And I don't even know what kinds of left-wing judges that might be presiding over these cases.
Well, in my book, Get Trump, I go through each of the trials.
It's actually a primer on the four cases.
And I conclude that the weakest case, the weakest case is New York.
It's not even a case.
They're paying hush money.
You know, it's what Alexander Hamilton did.
Nobody asked him to put it in a corporate form.
It's an absurd case.
But it's New York.
It's Manhattan.
The case should be moved to a county outside of New York City, which is purple.
Washington.
Right.
Well, no, you never know.
And that's usually mandamusable.
That is, if you make a motion for a change of venue and it's denied, sometimes the courts will allow that to be appealed.
So I think that's a realistic possibility.
The judge is not going to do it, but maybe a court of appeals will do it.
And in Washington, D.C., again, there's no county in the United States Which is more anti-Trump than the District of Columbia.
And all you have to do is move it over the border to Virginia or to West Virginia.
And you could get a much more mixed jury.
The Florida jury pool is probably fair.
It's in the Palm Beach area, and it's probably fairly mixed.
And Fulton County is, as you said, about 75-25.
Of course, there are efforts to try to move at least Trump's case and Meadows' case from the state court to the federal court.
And the issue there is whether or not what they did was within their authority.
Now, the question is whether getting reelected is within the authority of the president.
I have to tell you, presidents always want to get reelected, and they use the Oval Office as a road to getting election.
And, of course, they use the chief of staff in an effort to try to get reelected or to try to serve a second term.
But that will come up this Monday, apparently, and we'll see what happens.
So far, my predictions have all turned out to be accurate.
I think it was Mark Levin who called me a Nostradamus of lawyers, because I don't make predictions based on wishful thinking.
In my book, every one of the predictions I made, and yeah, Trump, every one of the predictions I made has come true, because I make these predictions based on my 60 years of experience, not based on what I hope will happen.
Whereas in CNN, virtually every prediction their pundits make turned out to be wrong.
I'm hoping to have a program someday Where all the CNN experts' predictions are put in the show, and then we see what really happened.
And then you ask yourself, why am I watching this?
These guys don't know what they're talking about.
Oh, I love it.
That would be phenomenal.
I would even subscribe to watch a show like that.
So, Professor, given everything you just said, and in D.C., by the way, I think a number of January 6th defendants who have been tried have made motions for a change of venue, and they've all been denied, because I think the judges there know full well if they go somewhere else and get a fair trial and are acquitted, then it might actually mean that some others that have been railroaded in D.C.
should have been acquitted as well.
So I don't think that's going to happen.
All of that being added up.
Now, real quick on the question.
All of those things being added up, Professor, he's facing over 100 different charges in the four different sets of indictments.
He's going to be convicted of a few things, isn't he?
Simply because of what we're talking about with the tainted jury pools and so forth.
So what does that mean if he's convicted of even a few things regarding his electability?
I think very little.
It strengthens his poll numbers among Republicans.
We don't know what impact it has in the general election.
That will depend a little bit also on what happens with the investigation of Hunter Biden and whether it points to President Biden.
There should be a special counsel appointed in that case.
There is one on the classified material, but there is not one looking at the Burisma, looking at the China.
Looking at all these other issues that should be the subject of a special counsel.
So, you know, the terrible thing about the 2024 election is going to be, which side is the worst criminals?
It's not going to be about the economy.
It's not going to be about the borders.
It's not going to be about foreign policy.
It's going to be, who are the worst criminals?
And that's not what an election in America should be like.
Do you trust the Attorney General of the United States, Professor?
Well, I used to trust him very much.
I liked him.
I supported him for the Supreme Court.
I remember him.
You know, he was a student at Harvard Law School.
He had a terrific reputation.
I think his decision to appoint the same person to be special counsel in Hunter Biden was a serious mistake.
You know what, I completely concur, and I think a lot of people are saying that are going to have it proven right in the coming weeks and months.
Professor Alan Dershowitz, the new book is Get Trump.
Make sure you get that book.
Professor, thank you for coming on America First.
I'm Bob France, in for Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
We shall return.
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Professor Dershowitz was amazing.
We were just talking off the air.
Jeff and Alex and I and Eric, he's 85 years old.
Do you realize that?
He's 85 years old.
He's four years older than Joe Biden.
Do you see and hear the difference in vigor and vitality and health, right, just health, of Alan Dershowitz compared to Joe Biden?
You know, that's why people call us ageists when we We don't make fun of Joe Biden.
That's the wrong terminology.
When we criticize Joe Biden and say he's too old to serve, it's not a number thing.
Look at Alan Dershowitz.
He's remarkable.
He's remarkably fit and sound of mind and body.
Joe Biden shuffling around there like he's, uh, you know, he's on the, the, the, uh, uh, you know, the, the, in the slippers on the slippery floors of the home, the way he's led off of the stage, the way he goes and the way he cannot know.
Do you remember when he said no comment about Maui?
It wasn't that he was being cold and callous.
He said no comment because he didn't know what in the hell people were talking about.
You understand that, right?
When he was asked about the wildfires and the people suffering in Maui and whether he was going to go there and he said no comment, it wasn't, I don't care, it was, what are these people talking about?
He didn't know!
If he ever knew, he forgot.
It's not because he's 81 or whatever he is.
It's because he is in serious cognitive decline.
If that happens to a 71-year-old, we would be saying the same thing.
So it's not an age thing.
It's a simple competence thing.
And he's not competent for all of those reasons.
But anyway, Alan Dershowitz was amazing.
If you want to talk about what he just brought up, I'm interested in your thoughts on his serious concern for Donald Trump's safety.
I know Grant talked about it yesterday.
I watched and listened.
And I think he's right.
And I think Bongino's right.
The people who despise Donald Trump just don't despise him for policies and personality.
I despised Barack Obama for policies.
Not as much personality, because he's kind of charming and a little bit disarming.
If you don't know that he's a socialist, and he's trying to fundamentally transform America from a capitalist republic to a socialist nation, if you didn't know that about him, you'd think he's a pretty nice guy.
He's pretty charming.
But I despised him for his policies, I despised him for what he was doing, never in one billion years of life did I ever think of harming him, physically.
But as Alan pointed out, and Grant and others have pointed out, the left is so, they're already the first prone to violence, unhinged people.
In general.
That's why the minute something doesn't go their way in a trial, a police investigation, after a shooting or whatever, it's, let's go!
And let's burn everything we can find, let's smash windows, let's destroy businesses, let's loot.
All of these, their first inclination is to violent uprising, right?
That's just what the left is.
We see it all of the time.
So if they truly believe, as Alan Dershowitz said, that this guy is Hitler himself, he's Hitler incarnated, this Trump character, he isn't just a Republican with whom we disagree on policy, that he's a threat to humanity, a threat to civilization, capable of mass genocide like Hitler was, as Professor Dershowitz and I talked Who among us, if we had a chance to take out Hitler, before he did what he did, we would have said, yeah, I'm in.
Let's do it.
Take him out.
That's how they feel about Trump, and they feel like this is the time to take him out.
And one way to take him out is through what they're doing.
Indictments.
Charges.
Prosecutions.
Trials.
Bogus all.
I don't know that they won't.
way to taking him out. And if that doesn't work, who knows if they won't take it as the professor
said to the next level, to the next step. I don't know that they won't. I'm not trying to be an
alarmist and I'm not trying to suggest that there's already some sort of coup or, or, you know,
plan to assassinate this man. But they are, there is TDS is, is real. Yeah. It sounds cute. It's a
right wing talking point and TDS Trump derangement, but we are talking about literal derangement.
They want harm to come to him. They want bad things to befall him. And yes,
if they could have him removed.
Completely.
Either in a prison cell or in a grave.
I'm not convinced that there wouldn't be some of them who would consider those horrific ideas.
And obviously, when Alan Dershowitz, who is no fan of President Trump, fears the same thing, there's something to be concerned about.
All right.
I know I haven't taken a lot of calls.
I've been doing a lot of interviews and a lot of monologuing.
If you're on hold and you want to react to the debate last night, we'll hear from you next.
I'm Erica First.
Bob France in for Dr. G.
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I am not Seb Gorka, as you just heard the man say.
I am Bob Frantz live in Cleveland, Ohio.
If you're watching us on the Salem News Channel or anywhere else, you can get the video stream at SebGorka.com.
You can see the big background.
Yes, I am in Cleveland, Ohio.
Thanks for being with us.
We've got another hour after this one, but let's get a couple of calls going here.
We're going to be guest free in hour number three, it appears, so hopefully we'll be able to take a ton of calls of reaction to the debate last night and beyond.
833-33-GORKA is the number.
We're going to go to Phoenix, and that's where Rick is on Line 5.
Rick, welcome to America First.
Go right ahead.
Thank you, Bob.
Thanks for taking my call.
Great show.
Appreciate your hosting for Dr. Gorka.
Thank you.
I'm calling not about my reaction to the debate, but I share your concern, the concern of others about something happening in something happening to President Trump.
And my question is, I know Dr. Gorka is big on preparedness and being prepared and that sort of thing.
Sure.
If something should happen to President Trump, God forbid, but who could step in to his shoes?
Who could carry his work forward for us?
And do the job that he's been doing?
Well, I mean, there is no other Donald Trump.
That's just the reality of it.
He's—and it's not because there are—I mean, there are people who have his exact same policy prescriptions in mind, Rick, and thank you for the call.
Ron DeSantis, I mean, he was the first guy that I thought of months ago that—Ron DeSantis, he's just as America First as Donald Trump is.
He agrees with every policy.
He just wants to bring it with a different bit of a package and do the same things.
But no one can be Donald Trump because he is his own package, if you will.
His personality, his demeanor, his salesmanship, all of those things make up what he is.
But I'll be 100% honest with you, if something happened to Donald Trump the way Professor Dershowitz feared, and I described, And we're talking about the worst of worst things happening, and I know it sounds crazy, but I think the left is crazy, so it's not impossible, right?
The question is, not who would replace them, but what would we have to replace?
Meaning, would we still have a country?
Because I think if something like that happened, it would touch off a civil war, the likes of which We probably cannot imagine.
And I know we had a civil war so we can imagine that one, but you understand my point?
A modern day civil war?
I just, I don't know what would happen if our country devolved into that at this moment in time.
I don't know.
There's nobody who could step in and fill the void.
No Democrat, no Republican, no anyone, because it would just be extraordinary.
The left would celebrate it and cheer it.
And the rest of patriotic Americans would be just beyond devastated and terrified for what it means to the country.
So, I hope we don't have to think like that very much.
I really don't.
I think the professor was right to bring it up, but we'll talk more about it with you.
We've got another hour together of America First.
I'm Bob France.
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All right, Dr. G, I'm down for that.
Hour number three underway now, five minutes past the top of five o'clock in the Eastern time zone.
That would be two o'clock out west, so thanks so much for being with us.
We're live in Cleveland, Ohio, and I want to show you something as we get this hour started.
First of all, I also want to hear from you.
We have done a lot of interviews and a lot of monologuing today about the debate last night.
I have not heard enough from you.
That's on me.
I want to be a little more caller-friendly in this last hour and take plenty of your thoughts.
So we're filled up right now, but keep dialing.
We'll get you up and on the radio.
833-33-GORKA is the number.
I want to introduce you to something, because we're talking so much about Donald Trump today, and particularly because of last night's debate, and also the interview with the professor Alan Dershowitz, who talked about a legitimate concern over Trump's safety, because the radicals are as radical as they get.
The extremists, the nutjobs who think they would be taking out Hitler, who knows what kinds of plans they have.
I haven't brought this out for months and months and months, and I know we're about four months away from a new Christmas.
But one of the greatest gifts I ever got for Christmas is what I'm about to show you right now if you're watching on the Salem News Channel or on SebGorka.com.
I would like to introduce America to my random talking Trump doll.
This was a gift from my wife for Christmas last year and it has been just an absolute I don't know how to describe it.
It eases my day sometimes when I'm just having a rough show or I'm having a rough time.
I walk up to this guy right here and I never know what he's going to say.
It's random.
And I don't know how many different clips they have uploaded into it, but I pick up the random talking Trump doll and I get something to make me smile and make me laugh.
So let's see what random talking Trump doll has to say.
I love the First Amendment.
Nobody loves it better than me.
Nobody.
Who uses it more than I do?
If you have never seen Random Talking, and I'm getting paid nothing for this.
This isn't a commercial.
Random Talking Trump Doll just kind of helps me get through the day.
Even on days when I'm pissed at Donald Trump.
Even on days when I think, did he really say that?
Are you kidding me?
Don't do that.
Don't say that.
Please stop.
On days when I'm mad at him, I still get a smile from Random Talking Trump Doll.
Basically, all I've done is keep my promise.
Okay, fair enough.
Again, it's random.
I don't know what he's got next.
One more.
Fox and friends in the morning?
They're very honorable people.
You can tell this was before his fallout with Fox.
They uploaded this a little too soon.
One more.
From this day forward, it's going to be only America first.
Dr. G, I just gave you your next promo.
There it is!
From the president, or from the walking, talking, well he doesn't walk, the talking, random talking Trump doll, just gave you the next America First promo for Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
There you go.
So I, you know, he eases my mind every day.
Like I said, if I'm having a rough one, I can get something fun or funny out of President Trump and the random talking Trump doll.
So there you have it.
All right, let's go to the phone and see what you have to say about the talking stiffs on stage last night.
Most of them, anyway.
We're going to go to, I guess, just in order.
Line one, Judy in Brooklyn.
Judy, welcome to America First.
Bob Franson for Dr. G. Go ahead.
Hi, Bob.
Thank you so much.
First of all, I can't even go there when you're talking about dangerous stuff when it comes to President Trump.
I can't even go there.
I feel like, Bob, the power of suggestion can be so dangerous.
I wouldn't even want to talk about it, but okay, moving on.
These puppets over there on a string all decided that they all said that Pence did the right thing.
Yes, he did the right thing.
So let me tell you something.
Pence hides behind the Bible.
Did you hear?
He swore behind Reagan's Bible, blah blah, holier than thou, and claims he chose the Constitution.
So let's go down memory lane.
Two days before, prior to January 6th, He was singing a different tune, Bob.
He was basically making the public believe that he believed there was a lot of fraudulent voter cheating, and he made us believe he's going to go in there, he's going to do the right thing, blah blah.
So guess what?
Come to think, there he is.
All he had to do, all he had to do, I'm sure he knew that Rudy had all these hearings that were so credible.
I'm sure he knew there were a lot of shenanigans and a lot of cheating going on.
All he had to do, constitutionally, was say, I cannot verify, Therefore, I cannot certify, and as you said before, Bob, he should have asked for 10 more days to investigate voter integrity.
What would be wrong with that?
And this Chris Christie, I'm so angry at him.
He sits there and bashes President Trump at the Constitution and smearing him.
President Trump never said anything against the Constitution.
He said the Constitution is against the fraud that President Trump is against as well.
That's what he said.
Chris Christie, you know what?
Chris Christie, Bridgegate, whatever.
I wonder why, I wonder what he was hiding, let's say, Bob, when he gave his private cell phone to Christopher Wray, who at the time was his private lawyer.
Well, I'll tell you this, Judy.
Thank you so much for the call from Brooklyn.
If you think that Chris Christie wasn't behind that, I have a bridge to sell to you, Bob.
Well, I'll tell you this, Judy, and thank you so much for the call from Brooklyn.
I don't want to think about the first thing either, but I think that's the—I don't want to say that's the first
step to disaster when people don't take threats seriously.
And I think the professor, who again, is not a Trump supporter, voted against him proudly twice.
That means he voted for Biden.
But he's concerned with the president's safety and that says an awful lot to me.
Chris Christie is, to me, he's the rodeo clown.
And I think he plays his part.
And his part last night on the stage was comic relief.
He's a rodeo clown.
I mean, he really is.
You know, there's a lot of serious stuff going on, there's battles here, and then suddenly it's like, hey, let's ask Chris Christie about UFOs.
Here he comes, barreling in, bounding in, and he makes everybody laugh.
That's about the only role that he has in this show.
In fact, this was a good moment.
I want to play cut one here.
Chris Christie Last night, tried to take a bite out of Vivek Ramaswamy right from the start because of the way Vivek Ramaswamy introduced himself to the audience.
Listen to this.
Cut one.
Let us be honest as Republicans.
I'm the only person on the stage who isn't bought and paid for so I can say this.
The climate change agenda is a hoax.
The climate change agenda is a hoax.
And we have to display our independence for it.
And the reality is, The anti-carbon agenda is the wet blanket on our economy.
And so the reality is, more people are dying of bad climate change policies than they are of actual climate change.
Governor, Governor Haley, are you bothering me?
Hold on, hold on.
Listen, listen, listen.
I've had enough.
I've had enough already tonight of a guy who sounds like Chat GPT standing up here And the last person in one of these debates, Brett, who
stood in the middle of the stage and said, what's a skinny guy with an odd last name doing
up here, was Barack Obama, and I'm afraid we're dealing with the same type of amateur
standing on stage tonight.
Come on, give me a hug.
Give me a hug just like you did to Obama.
The same type of amateur.
And you'll help elect me just like you did to Obama too.
Give me that damn hug, Brett.
The same type of amateur.
Hold on.
So, two things.
Quick question.
A couple of quick responses there, and then I'll go right back to the phones.
Number one, it sounded like he called him Chachi.
He said, he's trying to say Chat-GPT, but it sounded like Chachi.
And I thought, what the heck?
Is that a Happy Days reference?
But then I understood what he said.
The Obama line was a good one, and Vivek had a good comeback right away.
Well, then come and give me a hug, like you hugged Obama, insinuating, which we already know, that Chris Christie is an extraordinary rhino to begin with.
But then the other part of that was, what Vivek Ramaswamy said in the beginning of that clip you just heard was very, very popular.
It got a lot of applause when he said, climate change is a hoax.
And the carbon plan that they have to obviously shrink the carbon emissions is the wet blanket.
He was right about that.
The problem is, Vivek Ramaswamy was not consistent about that.
Because five months ago, he did an interview in which he talked about climate change being very, very real.
And it's a very, very serious concern for a lot of different reasons, and he went on to list those things.
So consistency is the one thing I will say.
As an analysis of the debate last night, a lot of people feel like Vivek Ramaswamy won.
Alan Dershowitz did not, by the way.
Alan Dershowitz is not a big Ramaswamy fan, based on what he saw.
But for those who think Vivek Ramaswamy won, and this is the new engine here to come up
and strengthen the MAGA movement and to support Donald Trump, which he does, and Donald Trump
supports him. The two of them are kind of a package deal in this campaign.
But Vivek Ramaswamy, if he won that debate, I will say this.
Enjoy it while you can, because no one has even begun to vet him yet.
No one.
And I like a lot of what I've heard from him.
Not all.
But a lot of what I've heard from Vivek Ramaswamy.
He's an Ohio kid.
He's a Cincinnati side.
You know, he's from India.
His parents are from India.
You heard the story.
But he grew up in Ohio, went to Cincinnati, St.
Xavier High School.
He's an Ohio kid.
So I like a lot of things about Vivek Ramaswamy.
But I'll tell you something.
All of the people who were introduced to him last night for the very first time, because they don't do what I do for a living, and they don't listen as intently to shows like this as you might.
They have just begun to figure out, hey, this guy is a factor.
Now let's pull back the layers of the onion and see what's underneath.
He's going to be vetted, and things he said before are going to be measured against things he's saying now, like he never thought possible.
So we're just getting this whole thing started.
More of your calls coming up right after this on America First.
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phones reactions to what you saw and heard last night uh and in today in the
spin interviews that have been held all day long we'll go next to massachusetts
on line three steve is waiting steve welcome to america first fire away
Hi, how are you doing?
Um, yeah.
I'll tell you, this whole thing about climate change, I just started digging into the writings of Herbert Marcuse.
I don't know who he is.
He's the premier neo-communist.
He worked with the Weathermen and the SDS in the 60s, and he advocates violence to go against the political opponents.
Yeah, they do.
one of his own fellow communists, Adorno, chastised him for that and refused to let
Marcuse speak in front of his students.
Because his philosophy is basically the same philosophy as Antifa.
It advocates violence.
Yeah, they do.
And so I assume you're bringing that up because of what we were just talking about with Professor
Dershowitz and the potential for somebody to try to take out President Trump.
The thing is, how many crimes did the Democrats have to commit?
I mean, how many mysterious murders have to happen?
I mean, yeah, Jeffrey Epstein really killed himself.
Yeah, like, I really believe that.
I got some... I can sell you to Brooklyn Bridge.
Well, I'll tell you what, and thank you for the call from Massachusetts there, Steve.
Your point is well taken on radicals influenced by Marcuse and others to commit violence in the name of what they consider to be necessary policy.
We've been talking about the debate all day.
We have not talked about President Trump's Twitter chat with Tucker last night.
We should.
About one thing.
Most of it was just same old stuff.
It was pretty good softball stuff from Tucker Carlson and President Trump just did his thing.
It was a very familiar type of sound.
It was fine.
I was blown away that within the first, I want to say, six minutes of that interview, the name of Jeffrey Epstein came up.
And I think it was because Tucker had asked him about Bill Barr, his former Attorney General, and the conversation came up about whether or not Bill Barr did enough to properly investigate the theft of the election and so forth, and somebody said he didn't investigate Jeffrey Epstein enough either, or his death anyway.
And Tucker asked President Trump about it, and President Trump said he really believes Jeffrey Epstein killed himself.
And it's so funny because, I mean, there's a million or more shirts that are being worn around this country right now with Epstein didn't kill himself.
It's a meme.
I mean, it's an international understanding that Jeffrey Epstein, who ran Epstein Island and fed kidnapped children like the ones that you saw in The Sound of Freedom, uh... and fed them to to pedophiles uh... in uh... in on epstein
island i mean that quite literally when i say fed but you
understand the point and uh... it
to this moment jillian maxwell was convicted of helping to make all of
that happen she still hasn't had to give up any of the actual client
list and jeffrey epstein it is widely believed was murdered so
that the client list client list would never be
uh... revealed President Trump said last night on Tucker...
That he believed Jeffrey Epstein killed himself.
Tucker's face was incredulous.
He said, no he didn't, he was murdered.
He said it very directly.
I don't have that audio.
You'd probably get it.
But it was very, very, very eye-opening.
And I thought, wait a minute, President Trump, what are you saying?
Jeffrey Epstein died under the most ridiculously Unbelievable circumstances in that jail cell that you can even imagine.
And he said he believes Epstein killed himself.
He said because he had a lot of nice houses.
He had a lot of nice, you know, lavish lifestyle and all that was taken away from him.
And now he's behind a prison wall or prison bars, they should say.
And so he killed himself in despair.
And I just, we do have that?
Alright, I've just been told we do have that audio.
Let's hear this real quick.
This is from last night, President Trump's counter to the GOP debate on Fox, his conversation with Tucker.
Let's hear it.
I feel, but it was just interesting, I read Barr's account of his time, he wrote a book about it, his autobiography, and in it he lies about Jeffrey Epstein's death.
Clearly lies.
Do you think Epstein killed himself sincerely?
I don't know.
I will say that, you know, he was a fixture in Palm Beach.
Yeah.
I don't know what Barr said about it, either.
I have no idea what he said.
What did he say?
He killed himself, probably?
He said he killed himself, and that they were going to do this investigation.
They never did the investigation.
It's never been public.
And they hid it, and, like, why are they doing that?
And clearly, Barr knew.
But why would Bill Barr be covering up the death of Jeffrey Epstein?
Bill Barr didn't do an investigation on the election fraud, either, OK?
He said he did, and he pretended he did, but he didn't.
No, no, no, don't cut it there.
We haven't heard the clip yet.
The line is coming up.
We've got to play that more, because in a moment is when he says, no, I think he killed himself because of his lavish lifestyle being gone from him.
We missed it.
We've got to hit that next segment, or the continuation of that clip.
That's where he actually says that I think he killed himself, and that's when Tucker says, no way, he was murdered.
It was the most eye-opening moment that I saw in the entire thing.
Because I don't know anybody, much less the former president, who thinks that Jeffrey Epstein actually killed himself by hanging himself from his bed rail or whatever it is, and somehow managed to create the force that snapped that thick bone in his neck that the medical examiner said could not happen from that height or from that type of a circumstance, that he absolutely had his neck broken and was murdered before they tied that thing around his neck.
I mean, not that it means a ton in the bigger picture here, but it was just surprising because somebody just brought up Jeffrey Epstein and reminded me of last night.
But President Trump made it very clear that he believed Jeffrey Epstein killed himself.
I don't know why that is, but it's just there.
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We'll try to finish that clip, too, and give you the next part of that quote, which is, like I said, the more eye-opening part of that, and I want to know how you feel about it.
If you have a, if you, you know, does it matter to you?
It probably shouldn't in terms of the grand scheme of things about deciding the next president.
But it was just one of these eye-opening things where I kind of always feel like Donald Trump is on top of everything he needs to be on top of and is pretty much, you know, eye to eye with the rest of us on these kinds of things.
But when he said that, that was a bit of a, that was a bit of a shocker.
If you want to react to it, we'll play it for you coming up.
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In for Dr. G, I'm Bob France.
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Okay, we're going to go right back to the phone to get some more reactions to what we heard and saw on the debate stage last night.
Who did you like?
Who did you not like?
The leader in that pack that was on the stage in terms of the polling, still 40 plus points behind President Trump, though, of course, was Ron DeSantis, the Florida governor.
who was widely praised for his message, but very much panned for his performance, for
not being dynamic, not being exciting, not being charming, charismatic, being robotic,
and just repeating his lines about his record.
But this is one of the strongest statements that he made here on Cut4, as he talked about
crime and punishment in America, and the rampant increase and the rampant spread of violent
crime across America in large part because of weak George Soros funded DAs.
This is cut 4.
These hollowed out cities, this is a symptom of America's decline.
And one of the biggest reasons is because you have George Soros funding these radical left-wing district attorneys.
They get into office and they say they're not going to prosecute crimes they disagree with.
The inmates start running the asylum.
There's one guy in this entire country that's ever done anything about that.
Me.
When we had two of these district attorneys in Florida elected with Soros funding who said they wouldn't do their job.
I removed them from their posts.
They are gone.
That was probably his strongest moment of the debate.
He didn't have a ton of them.
Like I said, he also didn't have a ton of engagement for being the leader in the polling, again, among those who were there.
They didn't come for him and engage him in a lot of fights.
They engaged Vivek Ramaswamy in a lot of fights.
Nikki Haley battled Vivek Ramaswamy.
Chris Christie battled Vivek Ramaswamy.
Mike Pence battled Vivek Ramaswamy.
Not too many people got into it with Ron DeSantis.
But this was one of the highlights.
If indeed you like the Jerry Springer style debate that they tried to bring you, cut number two.
Ukraine is the first line of defense for us.
And the problem that Vivek doesn't understand is he wants to hand Ukraine to Russia.
He wants to let China eat Taiwan.
He wants to go and stop funding Israel.
You don't do that to friends.
What you do instead is you have the backs of your friends.
Ukraine is the front line of defense.
Putin has said if Russia, once Russia takes Ukraine, Poland and the Baltics are next.
That's a world war.
We're trying to prevent war.
Look at what Putin did today.
He killed Purgosin.
When I was at the UN, the Russian ambassador suddenly died.
This guy is a murderer.
And you are choosing a murderer over a pro-American country.
Yeah, and right after that, Vivek Ramaswamy came right back at her, and it turned into a shouting match.
They literally were shouting over one another, and obviously Nikki Haley got the better of the exchange, according to most analysts who said that she took Vivek Ramaswamy to school on foreign policy.
And she did say, you have no foreign policy experience, and it shows.
So, those were, you know, like I said, there were some pretty good battles.
Very few of them involved Ron DeSantis.
Chris Christie, again, being the clown portion of the event, and quite frankly, the clown portion of the primaries, got into a couple of scrapes as well.
Said that Vivek Ramaswamy was too inexperienced.
Mike Pence went after him and said, you're not ready for this.
We don't need a rookie doing on-the-job training.
We need somebody who's been there before.
It was an interesting night for a number of reasons, not all of them positive.
Let me get to Mike in Detroit.
Mike, you are on America First.
Fire away, Mike.
Oh, yeah, you guys are, you know, you're so right about this Trump derangement syndrome, how dangerous it is, you know.
And I can think of three reasons why certain people really hate President Trump.
One is when he defeated Hillary, he defeated their agenda.
And their agenda was to create a one party system.
And I think they thought if she won... What are number two and three?
I've only got 20 seconds.
What are two and three?
He totally exposed them for who and what they become.
Three, they're terrified to have to pay the price to be held, you know, responsible for their actions for the past several years.
Well, yeah, I agree with that too.
They are terrified about going to prison themselves, and that's why they're trying to lock him up first.
We'll be back.
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So, because we wanted to just kind of hear the rest of the clip...
That got chopped off a while ago.
I want to give you this real quickie.
This is the final part of the discussion that President Trump had last night on the Twitter episode with Tucker, which by the way, the numbers are staggering.
The number of views or impressions of that interview, I'll talk about that in a moment, but going back to the conversation that they were having about Jeffrey Epstein and whether or not he killed himself, this is what President Trump had to say.
Here's the cut.
But he didn't do the job there.
I don't know what he did with Epstein, but possibly.
Do you think it's possible that Epstein was killed?
Oh, sure.
It's possible.
I mean, I don't really believe.
I think he probably committed suicide.
He had a life with, you know, beautiful homes and beautiful everything.
And he all of a sudden he's incarcerated and not doing very well.
I would say that he did.
But there are those people, there are many people, I think you're one of them, right?
But a lot of people think that he was killed.
He knew a lot on a lot of people.
He was killed.
I think so.
Look, I'm not a conspiracy person at all.
I believe everything I hear.
But, yeah, the closer you look into it, I mean, the Attorney General of the United States, your Attorney General, clearly lied about the Epstein death.
Why?
Yeah, certainly it wasn't well done.
They had no cameras.
They had no anything.
Everybody was sleeping.
And, you know, a case could be made.
Look, I'm not going to get involved in it, but I can tell you, a case could be made either way.
I was just stunned by that because I don't know anybody, I don't know anybody, anybody in my professional life, my private life, my social media life, who thinks that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself.
Everybody, everybody, to a man, they have said there's no way Jeffrey Epstein killed himself.
They know he was murdered because of everything that he knew, and all of the circumstances that Donald Trump talked about at the end there kind of laid that out, but he said, yeah, there's just as much of a case either way.
No, there's really not.
And Tucker said he was killed.
I mean, come on.
Again, one medical examiner did the autopsy and said that the bone that was broken in his neck, allegedly from hanging himself, could not have been done unless he was dropped from a, you know, from a very high perch and had the sudden, what I used to call the sudden blinding jerk of justice.
I used to do that when they hung Saddam Hussein.
It had a whole sound effect made of it.
The sudden blinding jerk of justice is what snaps that bone.
That doesn't happen when you are just choking yourself from the bed rail above you.
It was very, very clear.
But at any rate, it's just one of those things that kind of make you go, ehhhh.
What is he trying to say there?
I know he's trying to, and Tucker was trying to hold his Attorney General, Bill Barr, to account for lying about it, but then President Trump jumps in and says, yeah, I think he probably killed himself because he had a really nice lifestyle and he didn't like being behind bars.
That was an eye-opener.
Okay, back to it.
We'll hit Robert from Brooklyn.
Second call from Brooklyn this hour.
Hey, Robert, go ahead.
You're on the air.
Hi, good afternoon.
I listened to that interview with Tucker, and that caught my attention.
Also what caught my attention with the Trump interview was when he talked about Comey and how bad Comey was.
I mean, I agree with him about that, of course.
He didn't mention anything about Christopher Wray.
You know, it's as if maybe Trump is trying not to play like he's so savvy because he doesn't want the deep state to be so scared of him.
So maybe he's concerned that if they realize just how much he's aware of what they're doing, it will be unsafe for him.
So, I mean, I don't know what's in his mind because Trump is very savvy.
But in terms of the election, the only two or three candidates Well, let me respond to that part before you go on to the election, if I may, Robert, because I don't think that's the case.
There are conservatives all over Washington who have said that Christopher Wray is corrupt, the FBI at its head, the leadership is corrupt, they have been corrupted by and in coordination and collaboration with the Attorney General Merrick Garland.
And I think the reason President Trump doesn't join in that criticism of Christopher Wray is a pretty obvious one.
He picked him.
He chose him.
If he chose the most corrupt director of the FBI that you can imagine outside of James Comey to replace James Comey, it just doesn't look good.
So I think that's the reason he avoids criticizing Wray as much as he criticizes Garland and some of the others.
Still there, Robert?
Yeah, that's a valid point.
That's very valid.
You know, it's hard to get in someone's mind, I don't know, but in terms of who, as a voter, who, I mean, I want someone who's going to clean out the deep state.
I want someone who's going to hire, let's say, a thousand special prosecutors to go after all the people in the deep state or in the legislature or the judiciary who are trying to destroy this country.
Yeah, I think everybody wants the same thing.
I don't know, and thank you so much for the call.
I don't know if that's a job any one man can do.
Because President Trump tried to do that in his first term.
The deep state is very, very powerful.
There's a lot of work that has to be done there.
But I'm looking for somebody to do the same thing.
We'll be right back.
Thanks.
I'm Seb Gawker.
Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
All right, six minutes left in this Thursday edition of America First.
If you missed any of it, go back and watch it on SebGorka.com or on the Salem News Channel.
We had great interviews with Larry Elder in hour number one, who should have been on that debate stage in Milwaukee last night, and also Alan Dershowitz in hour number two, the professor emeritus of Harvard Law, who is very, very concerned about the safety of Donald Trump, because the nuts on his side of the political aisle are nuts, and we'll leave it there, because I don't want to expand upon that anymore.
We're going to go to Line 2.
Tom in California.
Tom, you are on America First.
Fire away, Tom.
Alright, Tom, we're going to have to go on because I can't hear that.
So let's go to Sean on Line 1.
Sean, you're on America First.
Go right ahead.
Hi, Bob.
Hi, Sean.
Mentioned earlier about Vivican's consistency, and you said he mentioned how climate change is a hoax.
Yes.
I believe I've heard that a couple times today, and then I heard somebody replay it back.
He said the climate change agenda is a hoax, which is a big difference.
Tell me the difference.
Tell me how it's different.
I think the way we're handling it and the kind of money we're throwing at it, and maybe not in a proper way, Well, is there any proper way?
Because quite frankly, I mean, if you think that climate change is real, and that it's man-made, you would think there should be an agenda to somehow deal with that.
But if you don't think climate change is real, then you would not support anything, because the reality to me is there's a big difference in between those two things.
The climate change agenda is driven by those who think climate change is real.
I get what you're saying.
You see what I mean?
And by the way, I also agree that climate change is real, but not in the way they're
telling us that we're causing it.
Because all I do is I simplify it and I go back to the fact that science tells us that
the planet froze and then thawed and then froze and then thawed and froze, that we've
had six ice ages, for crying out loud.
And the planet always warms itself long before we put the first SUV on the ground and drilled
for our first oil well.
You know what I mean?
So, you know, so the climate is always changing, but it's not something we can adjust or fix
or change by passing new laws to take more money away from the American people.
I agree with you, and I'm not sure exactly what his stance on it is.
Yeah, and you know, it'll be interesting to hear.
And like I said, in what we need to do—and thank you for the call, Sean.
I appreciate the catch there, too.
You caught that.
He said agenda and not climate change.
You may be exactly right.
I didn't go back and listen to it again.
But if you are, I would then again say, what is the difference?
What is the big differentiation between the two that Vivek would make?
And the reality is, this is what I meant when I said he's going to be vetted now.
People are going to go back and say, wait a minute, we heard you say a few weeks ago,
a few months ago, that climate change is real and that humans are causing it.
Now you're saying the climate change agenda is a hoax.
Explain.
He's gonna have to introduce himself to the world with answers to things that he didn't realize he was gonna have to answer, like all candidates do.
He's new, he's shiny, and he's popular, and he's going to be vetted.
That's the reality.
All right, that's all the time we've got for this Thursday episode.
I am back tomorrow to bring you home and into the weekend on Friday on America First.
Thank you to Dr. G, thank you to the team, and thanks to you for listening.
Join us tomorrow right here.
I'm Bob Frantz.
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