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	the I just told David Beck his introduction is longer than my speech.
	Elaine and I are really excited to be back at Fancy Farm on behalf of the strongest Republican team we've ever run in our state.
	For those of you who keep count, this is my 28th Fancy Farm.
	That was Saturday, that was in Kentucky.
	I guess you can't hear the people shouting, RETIRE!
	RETIRE!
	Welcome dear friends, that was Mitch McConnell.
	Probably an organized resistance to his appearance, but I think maybe Maybe he should draw the requisite conclusions.
	Happy Monday, everybody.
	Great to be back here in studio.
	We have a cracker of a show for you.
	And, of course, the third hour will be the manhood hour with a surprise guest who's a regular on the show who, well, has a few things to say about the assault on masculinity, not just in America, but in our civilization.
	I am convinced of the fact one of the reasons that they detest my former boss so intensely is, well, you know, He's not a shrinking wallflower.
	He is a man's man.
	He was in Alabama at the weekend and he asked a very simple question that really I guess nobody on the left can answer for you.
	This is President Trump in Alabama.
	Cut six.
	Play cut.
	You should know they all lied.
	51 of them lied.
	And it would have made a difference of about 11 points in the election, according to the pollsters.
	They lied.
	As an example, every one of these many fake charges filed against me by the corrupt Biden DOJ could have been filed two and a half years ago.
	They didn't want to do it two and a half years ago.
	They wanted to wait.
	That is a very, very wise question.
	to the middle of an election and they waited until I became the dominant force in the polls
	because we're dominating everybody including Biden in the polls.
	That is a very, very wise question.
	If there was an attempt to subvert the political system by President Trump, what takes two
	and a half years?
	Why does Jack Smith wait until the election season has begun?
	The primary race is in full swing with 13 candidates.
	Why now?
	And why does he state in that very peculiar fascistic press conference of his last week that, We've got to do this speedily!
	Why?
	If you waited two and a half years, what's the rush now?
	Timing is everything in Washington, D.C.
	No conspiracies, but no coincidences.
	We know what's really happening.
	The man is in the lead.
	20 to 40 points ahead of the governor in Florida, who is his closest rival, an individual who Answered a question about the last election rather peculiarly.
	This is Ron DeSantis on NBC.
	Cut 13.
	Play cut.
	Yes or no, did Donald Trump lose the 2020 election?
	Whoever puts their hand on the Bible on January 20th every four years is the winner.
	Okay, but respectfully, you did not clearly answer that question.
	And if you can't give a yes or no on whether or not Trump lost, then how can you... Of course he lost.
	Trump lost the 2020 election?
	Of course.
	Joe Biden's the president.
	Hey, is that guy, what's his name, the producer?
	Um... Mr. G, are you back?
	I'm here.
	You went away, didn't you?
	For a couple days.
	Eric, did we survive without him?
	Uh, we're still here.
	All four walls and the roof are still standing, so I think we're good.
	Welcome back, Jeff.
	Don't do that again on this vacation thing.
	Isn't that a weird answer?
	When you're asked, did President Trump win or lose, he says, well, whoever puts his hand on the Bible is the president.
	But that's not what she asked, is it, Jeff?
	It's because he doesn't know what to say because he knows that there's issues with the election and he wants to just try to kind of go around and just kind of play the middle between the base and the donors.
	That's what DeSantis is.
	But then you piss off both groups, don't you?
	Exactly.
	Right?
	I mean, one of his biggest donors, a billionaire, has said he's pulling all funding unless there is a very serious change of strategy, which means the base doesn't like him and neither do the swamp backers.
	So is he toast, Mr. G?
	It's very tough to be an establishment Republican and try to pretend that you're MAGA.
	It's not easy to do.
	Right, right.
	Especially when you continue to give very strange answers such as this one about classified documents and bathrooms or something.
	Cut 11!
	If the election is a referendum on Joe Biden's policies and the failures that we've seen, and we are presenting a positive vision for the future, we will win the presidency and we will have a chance to turn the country around.
	If, on the other hand, the election is not about January 20th, 2025, but January 6th, 2021, or what document was left by the toilet at Mar-a-Lago, if it's a referendum on that, we are going to lose.
	But with Trump in the race, you know with Trump in the race that is largely what it's going to be about and right now you're not fighting against Joe Biden, you're fighting against Trump.
	That's not a pathway for success for the Republican Party.
	You know what that reminds me of?
	Classified documents by the toilet?
	What is he talking about?
	That's very reminiscent of what?
	What did he say after the Alvin Bragg indictments were leaked on Saturday morning?
	What did that man do on the following Monday at a press conference when he was asked about the Manhattan D.A.
	going after President Trump on charges that had already, already exceeded the statute of limitations?
	Not once.
	But twice, he had to say what?
	I don't know about hush money for porn stars.
	Titter, titter, titter.
	Classified documents by the toilet?
	Are you trying to be funny?
	Let's be clear.
	People need to understand who you were.
	Before you became governor of Florida, thanks to President Trump, you were losing badly in the primaries.
	You weren't even going to be the candidate in the primaries.
	Until President Trump endorsed you then and in the general.
	But before that, you were a congressman for five and a half years.
	A congressman nobody had heard of.
	Which again, mmm, a little weird.
	And then before that, you served in the Navy.
	God bless you for doing that.
	But what you did in the Navy is rather important right now.
	You're a member of the Judge Advocate Corps.
	You're a JAG.
	Which means... You're a military prosecutor!
	So, making jokes?
	About the Manhattan D.A.
	who campaigned on putting President Trump behind bars?
	And then you're talking about hush money for porn stars and classified documents next to the toilet?
	Maybe that's good for a skit on SNL or one of those unfunny late night quote-unquote comedy shows?
	But you're the governor of the state in which President Trump resides.
	Not only that, you're a former prosecutor.
	And not only that, you want, what, 74 million plus individuals to take you seriously?
	I have one word of advice.
	I want to have everybody on the platform.
	I want to have 13, 14, 15, 16.
	Let's have 17, like 2015.
	Let's have as many people on the podium.
	Debate.
	Because it's fun!
	Because President Trump makes it fun.
	But let's have people who are serious.
	Stop listening to your big billionaire donors.
	And stop trying to stand in the middle of the road between the rhinos and the bass.
	Because when you stand in the middle of the road, you know the only thing that happens?
	You get run over.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	Titles?
	Uh...
	For Kangor... Let me think about it.
	Let us...
	Come in with 14.
	14, no liner.
	And then play me 15 again.
	I mean, look, Laura, that's true.
	I travel the country all the time, and many Republican voters view themselves as pawn in an overall political game.
	It's not just Democrats that they dislike and distrust.
	It's the Republican establishment that they dislike and distrust.
	And to that very salient point, Donald Trump, for them, is their final arbiter against this entire political mechanism that is against them, these elites, these highly educated individuals, telling them how they should live their lives, telling them what is best for them.
	That's good.
	You said come in with 14.
	Monologue.
	A word of advice for Ron DeSantis.
	Are you going to use that food for the poor audio here?
	No, I'm not going to use that at all.
	Ron DeSantis.
	Yeah, I was just checking.
	538's latest aggregate of polls has him at 14% nationwide.
	The pivot to Scott is coming any day now.
	You think it's going to be Scott?
	They've already said on Fox News, like, some of the donors are leaning more towards him.
	I mean, the more grassroots support for Vivec, sure, but like, in terms of who the establishment's going to push, they'll go for someone like Scott.
	Alright, what do we call Kangor?
	Well, do you want to focus more on the history aspect?
	If you want to get eyes, maybe an Oppenheimer reference would probably... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	What the Oppenheimer movie left out.
	Good, good, good.
	Edward Teller.
	Teller, I think I met Teller.
	One minute.
	I'm going to go to the bathroom.
	Thank you.
	Oh, I'm gonna send you some images.
	Right.
	We're gonna have some fun.
	And I have the new shirt, the God's Children shirt.
	Oh, good!
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Nice, nice, nice, nice.
	The images you want this segment?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Because they're very cool.
	Coming in with 14.
	And I want them in this order.
	In the order you send them, okay.
	Just those three?
	Mm-hmm.
	Alrighty.
	Let's work on those.
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	When they come at you in such an unwavering way, in such an un-American way, an unprecedented way, you know that they're afraid.
	And I think that you know him personally, Maria.
	He's a strong person.
	He's also very much in love with this country.
	And they're not going to stop him.
	Alina Haber, who was on the show Friday, we're getting her back this week as well.
	The president's attorney, who was outside the court on, was that, Eric, was that Thursday that they indicted the president, arrested him again?
	I think it was, but it feels like a lot longer ago than that, doesn't it?
	Gosh, incredible.
	It feels like weeks ago.
	The incredible press conference she gave outside the DC courthouse, we'll have her back to analyze it in more detail.
	Also, we'll have her on my Newsmax show.
	If you missed it on Sunday, where were you?
	You should be watching it every Sunday, 7pm Eastern, 10pm Eastern is the replay.
	That's Newsmax every Sunday night.
	The call board, oh my gosh, is lit up.
	Nancy, Glenn, Doug.
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	It's called X-Cal in Ashburn, Virginia and they had a John Wick shooting event on Saturday and It was a lot of fun.
	Here I am on the range.
	It was UV lighting only.
	We got to shoot John Wick's automatic shotgun.
	A lot of fun.
	Also his 9mm from Terran Tactical, including the Pit Viper.
	I hit every stinking target.
	Afterwards the range instructor said, why doesn't everybody do what you do?
	Well, I don't know.
	You know, you've got to shoot more.
	You've got to get practice.
	The thing I didn't do well at is, at the end, you had to throw knives.
	I tell you, I've got to practice my knife throwing.
	John Wick has got a little bit on me there, but it's tough, that knife throwing.
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	Thank you to everybody at X-Cal, especially the Guns Out team that invited me.
	So very, very kind to have me.
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	Line 1, Nancy, Colorado.
	Hi, Dr. Gorka.
	Hey.
	I have a t-shirt idea.
	Yes?
	I think it's self-explanatory.
	It is, get up, be a man.
	Be a good man.
	I like that.
	Get up, be a man, be a good man.
	We like the sound of that, Nancy.
	We will forward that to Randy, our merch master.
	The latest one, also prompted by one of you, our dear callers, the latest t-shirt, it went up on Friday, is God's children are not for sale.
	Thank you for that suggestion.
	I can't remember which quarter it was.
	You know who you are.
	God's Children Are Not For Sale.
	Available right now at sebgorkastore.com.
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	God's Children Are Not For Sale.
	Glenn!
	Phoenix!
	Line 2!
	Yes, sir.
	I wanted to get your take on something that Robert F. Kennedy had said.
	He was in an interview this weekend.
	He mentioned somebody by name.
	He was actually asked to elaborate on the Deep State.
	And then he was asked to, in particular, name names.
	So one of the names that he brought up, and the reason I bring this person up, has never been elected, ever.
	Her name is Victoria Newland.
	But that's the point of the Deep State.
	The Deep State are the people who aren't elected.
	No, you're right, but there are parts of the deep state that have been, like Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton and stuff.
	So this woman was the national, I wanted to get your take on it, she was the Deputy National Security Advisor to Dick Cheney when he was Vice President.
	I know who Victoria Nuland is, I know very well, I've met Victoria Nuland.
	You have, and so then obviously later on she becomes tasked at the UN under Obama, and now she's at the State Department under Biden, and so these are the people I wanted to get your take.
	Are these the people that we need to worry, that we have to watch out for?
	Assuming Trump gets elected next year, she's still going to be in there, correct or no?
	Glenn, do you listen to this show?
	Do you read what I write?
	This is what I talked about for most of last week.
	This is what I began my monologue on on Newsmax.
	This is what I wrote my latest article for on American Greatness.
	I wrote a piece on the first 24 hours of the second Trump administration.
	Absolutely, yes, these are the people we have to get rid of.
	We have to have all these people removed.
	If you're a Schedule C, if you're a political appointee, you have to be fired.
	If you're a permanent bureaucrat like Victoria Nuland, who incredibly, Glenn, has survived Bush administration, Obama administration, on and on and on, these people have to be neutralized.
	They have to be sent to Alaska, they have to be sent to, you know, jobs they will refuse to do, and then they can be fired because it's nigh-impossible.
	Impossible to get rid of a bureaucrat that's so embedded in the system.
	But no, she's the architect of all the, you know, look at the spread.
	This is an individual who, as a State Department employee, she's now the Deputy Secretary of State, was spreading the Steele dossier, who was working on making sure that people in D.C.
	were Buying this garbage Russian propaganda being spread around by Christopher Steele, the former MI6 intelligence officer, and funded by Hillary Clinton.
	So Glenn, yeah, this is the number one priority for the next administration, because it doesn't matter what issue you care about, if you don't get this right, Nothing else is possible.
	These people have to be excised.
	They have to be gotten rid of.
	If they've committed crimes, they also need to be arrested, charged, and stood in front of an impartial judge, if such a thing exists.
	I don't think we'll find one in Washington, D.C., but we have to have people who've gone against the U.S.
	Constitution, who've undermined the will of the American people, the likes of Alexander Vindman, arrested and charged with their crimes.
	Crimes against the U.S.
	Constitution and against the people that choose the president.
	So yeah, absolutely right, Glenn.
	Victoria Nuland is one of the Deep State.
	Thank you for your call.
	We'll get back to Douglas, Mario, John.
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	you you
	Okay, well, one thing I stress is those are two different questions, right?
	And, you know, things can be shameful without being illegal.
	And I, yes, I thought that, I think it's grotesque, the cashing in on the office like that, apparently.
	apparently Give me five again
	Cut five.
	Tyson.
	It is a little weird that we split people by male and female in this way.
	I'm imagining a hundred years from now looking back and saying, do you know, back a hundred years ago, they'd split boys and girls and they couldn't compete.
	And I was like, that'd just be kind of a little weird.
	Weird.
	Incredible.
	Oh, play me 8.
	Eight.
	If your little boy comes to you and says, Daddy, I wanna be a girl, and you just let him rock with that?
	You just let him?
	Right.
	He's five.
	Right.
	And where did he get that from?
	If you let this five-year-old boy decide to eat candy all day, he's gonna do that.
	Exactly.
	Like, when did it become a good idea to let a five-year-old, let a six-year-old, let a twelve-year-old make a life-changing decision for theyself?
	When did that happen?
	Right.
	Like, I don't understand that.
	I don't get that.
	And to medicate these young kids that are five, six, growing up and knowing that it affects their brain.
	It affects their organs.
	It makes them sick.
	But they're not allowed to do drugs.
	They're not allowed to do alcohol.
	Right.
	We can medicate them.
	He can't drive a car yet, but he can decide his sex?
	Right.
	OK.
	All right.
	Coming in with two.
	What a complete coward.
	Yeah.
	I'm sorry.
	You ***
	* *
	*** you.
	Would you be open to having cameras in the courtroom during this trial?
	I personally want the public to see what's going on in this country right now.
	I want the public to see what kind of prosecution is going on.
	So yes?
	And I want the public to see the evidence.
	If you ask me what my personal opinion is, the answer is absolutely I'd like to see that.
	What I'm concerned about is the government has already signaled that they don't want the press and the American people to see the evidence in this case because they filed an emergency protective order to prevent that from happening.
	President Trump's attorney, one of his attorneys, John Lauro, answering the question on CNN, should the court case, should the trial be televised?
	I think it should.
	I'm curious what you guys think.
	Eric, let's make a poll on the website.
	I want to see what people think.
	Let's do a poll.
	Should Jack Smith's trial against President Trump be televised for the nation?
	Let's put that up as soon as it's ready.
	Let's make a little buffer for that because I want to know what you guys think.
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	Let's go to your calls, line 3, Douglas, Colorado Springs.
	Greetings, Dr. Gorka.
	I would like to offer a t-shirt idea.
	Yeah, what is... Everybody's bringing me t-shirt ideas.
	I can't change my t-shirt like I change my underwear, but carry on.
	What's your next idea, Douglas?
	The Crack Piper of Delaware with Hunter Prancing in front of a conga line of rats with Joe, Jill, Hillary wearing their Mickey Mouse ears.
	Do you think most people would understand what story you're referring to, Douglas?
	I mean, I do, because I love Hans Christian Andersen.
	Do you think most people would understand?
	To this day and age, possibly not, but it's still a funny visual.
	No, I do think it's a funny visual, but we need stuff that resonates with everyone.
	But I like the idea, I like how you think, and I love the... Do you remember the Danny Kaye movie of Hans Christian Andersen's life?
	Do you remember that, Douglas?
	Yes.
	That was superb.
	That was wonderful.
	That was superb.
	Thank you, Douglas, for a great idea.
	Let's go to Mario, Philadelphia.
	Mario, this is where you talk.
	Are you there, Mario?
	I guess he's not.
	Call us back, Mario.
	The number is 833-33-GORKA.
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	Let's go to San Diego.
	John, line 5.
	Hey, Sebastian.
	About a month ago, I called you about the gas prices that were going to be heading up because of the $2 million barrel a day reduction.
	So they're up about $0.45, $0.50 overall.
	And you got some idiot on cable news this morning claiming that it was global warming that caused the prices to go up.
	All right, well that is an idiot.
	So the CPI for July will go up some, but it happened so late, and you're going to get a bleed over in August.
	So August CPI, which will be announced... Are you an economist throwing around acronyms like CPI, John?
	Yeah, sort of.
	What do you mean, yeah, sorta?
	Are you or are you not an economist, John?
	Yes, I am.
	Okay, I'm not sure he wanted to admit that.
	Thank you, John.
	Let's go to Tim in Arkansas, line one.
	Hello, Sebastian.
	I'm with you on all this, but I watch lots of, I listen to Salem on the radio.
	I watched the big three, Newsmax, Real America, and OAN.
	But nobody right now is talking so much about John Roberts' election interference.
	His decision, before the decisions we liked, his decision without a case in front of him
	to say that the courts in a state have sway over the legislature.
	But now, Wisconsin has gone apparently leftist.
	What happens if courts like that, the Supreme Court of the state says, no, we don't... Which decision, you're being a little vague, which decision are you talking about, Tim?
	John Roberts.
	There was a decision in the Carolinas about GOP redistricting.
	Yep.
	But the case was settled out of court.
	Okay.
	Roberts came up with a decision a few days later without a case in front of him, and in it said that the courts had sway over the legislature.
	I know it's not constitutional.
	What I'm saying is John Roberts interfering with the election.
	But are you surprised?
	He's not a conservative.
	No, I'm not surprised.
	Look, I'm just a carpenter out here in the hills.
	I'm hoping somebody else is watching.
	Alright, well, thank you for that.
	Thank you for that, Tim.
	He's a rhino, he's not a conservative.
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	Ouch, you can put him up.
	What do you want to say?
	John!
	Hello, Sav.
	How are you?
	Good, good, good, good.
	What should we talk about?
	What's the most important thing?
	I'm on to censorship today.
	So Jim Jordan just put out the Facebook files for, and you see the real indications that the FBI may have been lying about its contacts with social media.
	Right.
	And then tonight, or tomorrow, I'm going to break a story that the federal government's been funding research to make censorship undetectable.
	Meaning if you were the person, you wouldn't know that you were being censored.
	Wow.
	They call it virality circuit breakers.
	You flip a breaker, so I can tease out a little bit.
	Yeah, definitely.
	What is it?
	Morality circuit breakers?
	Virality.
	Virality, yeah.
	Okay.
	Wow.
	Creepy.
	Creepy.
	Yeah.
	And then there's this FBI agent, right?
	That's the Jim Jordan stuff.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I saw that on your feed.
	Elvis Chan.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	We've seen him before.
	Oh, yeah, he's gonna become one of the most famous figures in free speech history.
	Right.
	All right.
	Is this something?
	We could use the other Trump cut here, the one you didn't play.
	What is it?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Let's do that.
	Well, hang on.
	I gotta do P8.
	No, what am I doing here?
	AMAC.
	Yeah, come in with that.
	I'll do AMAC and then I'll go to John.
	Was it 7 or 6 that we haven't used yet?
	It was, uh, seven that we have not.
	Okay.
	Seven.
	So come in with that, and then you'll do PhD.
	Yep.
	Alrighty.
	Fifty seconds.
	Thirty seconds.
	Fifty seconds.
	Thank you.
	You The fact is that it's not fair and it's probably not legal
	what they're doing They want to interfere in my campaign.
	They want to interfere in the elections.
	They commonly use tactic in third world countries.
	That's where this tactic comes.
	Third world, fourth world, fifth world countries.
	And they're taking it to a level that our country has never seen.
	I think that's one of the most solid arguments you can have.
	Forget about the technical legal ones and recusal and venue and everything else.
	What they're doing against President Trump is election interference.
	The campaign has begun.
	Why didn't this happen?
	Two and a half years ago.
	That was, of course, the 45th president in Alabama this weekend.
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	Happy Monday, good to be with you.
	So, we were talking in the break about what's happening, Jim Jordan's committee, the new Facebook files, on and on and on, this individual that's put them on the screen from the FBI, Elvis Chan.
	It's easy to kind of, you know, lose track of all these revelations about censorship, but this is a biggie.
	Tell us about Elvis Chan and why, as you said earlier, he's going to get rather infamous imminently.
	Yeah, let me go back to last week, because this starts with a release last week where you see the Biden White House meeting with Facebook and telling them, hey, we want you to turn down the dials on conservative sites like the Daily Wilder or Tommy Lahren and turn up the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal.
	So you see the mindset of censorship very blatantly laid out there.
	Now, the White House wasn't as careful as the FBI.
	The FBI did things a lot more quietly.
	And so Elvis Chan is The FBI agent who ran a unit out in San Francisco that during the 2020 election would send posts over.
	He'd identify or his team identified saying, hey, we think these might be disinformation and they might violate your terms of service at Twitter or Facebook.
	Now, keep in mind, the FBI's job is not to enforce terms of service for a private company.
	But for some reason, that's what the FBI did.
	And Elvis Chan said he did this at the behest of headquarters.
	So this goes all the way to Washington and Chris Wray.
	But he has always said, listen, I didn't know much about the Hunter Biden laptop.
	I only had one short meeting on it.
	And today, Jim Jordan said, baloney.
	We just found a whole bunch of files in Facebook that they've turned over under subpoena.
	You had more than one conversation with social media about the Hunter Biden laptop.
	And you told Facebook that you knew you were read in on the Hunter Biden laptop and you knew that it was real.
	So he's Jim Jordan directly accusing the FBI of making false statements in prior sworn testimony about censorship.
	Big development, another battle brewing on the front lines between the Judiciary Committee and the FBI, Chris Wray's FBI, which is not only engaged in censorship, But beyond that, I mean, do you have an expectation that FISA will be renewed?
	Because there's a lot of people saying, no, no, no, there shouldn't be a secret court that gets to spy on Americans.
	press legislation to create a fund which would allow Americans to sue government
	anytime they're censored. But beyond that I mean do you have an expectation that
	FISA will be renewed because there's a lot of people saying no no no there
	shouldn't be a secret court that gets to spy on Americans what's your
	expectation John? The reporting I've done and I've interviewed well over four or
	five dozen members of Congress about this over the last couple months is it
	will probably get renewed but with significant new reforms.
	I think the Freedom Caucus has one big reform idea.
	I think some folks like some of the members of the House Intelligence Committee have another good idea, which is, all right, it still will be a secret court, but the secret person whose civil liberties are being violated is going to get a lawyer that they don't know about who fights for them on their behalf without their knowledge.
	I think that scenario, that last one, is the one that's starting to bubble up as popular among both Democrats and Republicans.
	Here's an important thing.
	Democrats are as eager to change the FISA court as Republicans.
	That's the first time those two sentiments have lined up.
	Some.
	Some, yeah.
	But important ones.
	Like Jerry Nadler.
	I mean, big people.
	Let's go back to the original story, you know, the new Facebook files, what we've seen with the Twitter files.
	I think, I mean you get this, but I think most of the coverage misses the point here, that this is ostensibly An arm of the federal government, whether it's the FBI, now it's increasingly DHS that we see doing this, that's basically doing an end run around the Constitution because they're not allowed to censor Americans, that's in contravention of the First Amendment, so they're asking private entities to do that.
	Why isn't that the avenue of attack for those who believe in the First Amendment?
	Surely there's massive legal jeopardy if a U.S.
	government agency is literally doing an end run around the Constitution, John.
	Yeah, you are right on the money, Seb.
	There are some very important direct frontal assaults on this government collaboration with private third parties to censor Americans' content.
	The lawsuit by Missouri and Louisiana's attorney generals have won a significant ruling that the government must stop doing it at this point.
	There's an injunction in place and there are going to be some penalties and perhaps some long-term consequences.
	I think that will become one of the most important First Amendment free speech cases in our lifetime.
	It's setting up to go to the Supreme Court and I suspect this court will rule that what the government has done creating proxies for censorship is not acceptable.
	But here is something we're going to break tomorrow.
	I'm going to give you a little taste of it early tonight.
	There is a whole new set of research.
	As we became keen to the very overt censorship, we began unmasking, like the Hunter Biden laptop and the COVID theories that got shot down even though they were true.
	The federal government already saw, uh-oh, this is starting to get stinky and smelly.
	The Americans are going to pick up what we're doing.
	They moved to fund some new research.
	And that new research is How can we create what are known as virality circuit breakers?
	Basically a circuit breaker that shuts off the light but you don't know that you're being censored.
	They funded a whole bunch of research to try to figure out ways to censor Americans without them ever figuring it out.
	This is scary stuff.
	It shows willingness.
	Does it violate the First Amendment?
	Twitter or Facebook shadowbanning you.
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	Don't be so bloody daft, man.
	I'd rather be dragged stark naked through a field of broken glass.
	Oh, that one always makes me laugh, Stevie.
	You're superb.
	Am I going to play cuts?
	No!
	We've got far too many callers!
	And we've got Mario back from Philly.
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	Right.
	Anybody remember that?
	Oh yeah.
	Okay, let me tell you, that's not senility speaking.
	That is a corrupt man who believes that there are people out there who will carry that forward like the dummies.
	You think he thinks people believe that he's cured cancer?
	Yes, I think that he, no, I don't think he believes it.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	You think he believes that there are people who will believe him?
	Absolutely.
	Interesting.
	The next thing you know, he's going to show up in a bathrobe like that gangster Gigante, you know, and act like he doesn't know any better.
	You know, he'll do anything to keep out of jail if Trump were to come to office or someone with the cojones like Trump.
	Hello.
	Hello, Sebastian.
	How are you doing today?
	that senile old man's head but you may be right you may be right it's gonna
	Texas Lee line three hello hello Sebastian yes how are you doing today
	good I have a question for you just I've stopped it for you to pose I
	I'm somewhat of a World War II amateur, very amateur.
	Do you see any correlation between the way that they've treated the people in January
	6th and the trumped-up charges against Trump?
	Are we in for the night of the long knives next or am I going too far?
	What do you mean?
	I mean, what are you comparing it to in terms of World War II?
	Hitler.
	Oh, well, look, this has been mentioned many, many times before.
	I think Chris Plant, my buddy from Newsmax, has done it.
	I think Dan Bongino.
	They look at January the 6th as the Reichstag fire.
	So, you know, the assault against the institutions of the state that was actually perpetrated by the Nazis to say, look, look, look, Look what the anarchists are doing!
	So, yeah, I mean, look, do we know what really happened on January 6th?
	We don't, but we know the director of the FBI refuses to tell us whether there were feds undercover.
	So, yeah, absolutely, Lee, absolutely.
	Could this have been a false flag?
	Elements of it.
	I'm sure there were idiots on our side, but absolutely.
	Elements were agents provocateurs.
	I don't doubt it for a millisecond.
	Not a millisecond.
	Great questions.
	Good job, guys.
	Where did that...
	Eric, did we just do an hour?
	60 minutes indeed.
	That's nuts.
	Let's do two more.
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	We will take, we're trying to squeeze in some calls in the A block here.
	We'll do kind of half a mono, then some calls, because they've been coming in fast and furious.
	So Jim, Kevin, Brian, don't go anywhere.
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	All right, there's a thing called RAP.
	I don't know what it is.
	It's some kind of quasi music.
	And there's an individual called Neo, although it's spelled wrong.
	It's N-E-Y-O, who is allegedly one of these rappers who's best known for his R&B song, So Sick.
	And I thought, wow, this guy, he's got some He's got some testicles.
	Why?
	Because he said the following about transgender insanity.
	Let's listen to what he said this weekend.
	Cut it!
	If your little boy comes to you and says, Daddy, I want to be a girl.
	And you just let him rock with that?
	You just let... Right.
	He's five.
	Right.
	And where did he get that from?
	If you let this five-year-old boy decide to eat candy all day, he's gonna do that.
	Exactly.
	Like, when did it become a good idea to let a five-year-old, let a six-year-old, let a twelve-year-old make a life-changing decision for theyself?
	Right.
	When did that happen?
	Right.
	Like, I don't understand that.
	I don't get that.
	And to medicate these young kids that are five, six, growing up and knowing that It affects their brain.
	It affects their organs.
	It makes them sick, but they're not allowed to do drugs.
	They're not allowed to do alcohol.
	Right.
	We can medicate them.
	He can't drive a car yet, but he can decide his sex?
	Right.
	He can't drive a car yet, but he can decide his sex?
	Yeah, you were right when you said that, and you showed some fortitude, but I guess you're just another stinking coward!
	That story broke two days ago, and as of last night, I just sent the tweet.
	We can push it up on the screen momentarily.
	He apologized!
	Oh!
	So now it's okay, I guess?
	Surgically mutilating kids on Saturday was bad, but on Sunday it was okay.
	This is what Neo tweeted after, I guess, he got afraid of cancel culture.
	I'd like to express my deepest apologies.
	You know what he's gonna say, right?
	I need to educate myself.
	I didn't know who I hurt, right?
	You know it's gonna be the, you know, After much reflection, I'd like to express my deepest apologies to anyone that I may have hurt with my comments on parenting on gender identity.
	Yeah, because who cares about the kids, right?
	I mean, you know, I don't want to get cancelled.
	I've always been an advocate for love and inclusivity.
	I guess pedophilia is good with you as well, is it, Neo?
	Um, in the LGBTQIA plus LMNOP community.
	So I understand how my comments could have been interpreted as insensitive and offensive.
	Well, did you mean them or not?
	Is it about the interpretation?
	Or is the fact that you're a coward, Neo?
	Gender identity is nuanced.
	No, it's not, you cretin.
	You're male or female.
	It's XY or XX.
	And I can honestly admit that I plan to better educate myself on the topic.
	You know what that is?
	I guess somebody on my staff could tell me what that is.
	That's Maoist self-criticism.
	That's when you are told that you must excoriate yourself.
	You must publicly criticize yourself.
	That's what the Maoists do in China.
	So I can approach future conversations with more empathy.
	Yeah, forget about the truth, right?
	Let's just cut the breasts off, you know, young girls because, uh, reasons.
	At the end of the day, I lead with love and support everyone's freedom of expression.
	I guess pedophiles are good too, right?
	With you.
	Yeah.
	I mean, freedom of expression and your pursuit of happiness.
	Yeah.
	Cause you're what?
	Bestiality.
	That's good too.
	Yeah, yeah, rape, murder.
	It's just my way of expressing myself.
	Incest.
	Is that, you know, is that cool too, Neo?
	This is a study in cowardice.
	Rank, rank, cowardice.
	You don't believe in the truth.
	You're a coward.
	I'm getting to really like a man who interviewed me recently called Patrick Bet-David.
	He was a mechanic in the army and now he's a very rich man with a very successful podcast.
	He was on Joe Rogan's last week and he's the guy, he's the guy who got Joe Rogan to talk about fraud in the 2020 election and to say that he might actually have Trump on his show after he said he wouldn't.
	And I just found this on social media the weekend, I don't know if it's new or not.
	But Patrick, oh he gets it.
	And he's not a coward.
	And he understands where truth comes from.
	Let's listen to Patrick about David.
	That people believe in God, they believe future is bright.
	You know, people who have faith are typically like, I have faith.
	What is a main basis of faith?
	I think everything's going to work out.
	No, I don't want you to think that.
	I want you to think it's the end of the world.
	Climate change is coming.
	I don't want you to think everything's going to work out.
	I want you to think the future is scary.
	And you need us and we're here to save you.
	That's kind of how they're pitching their Savior mindset.
	God-like, fancied myself as a sort of a God and now that it's become reality and I'm experiencing it.
	So these are not people that are sitting there saying, well, that guy keeps talking about God a little bit too much, man.
	That's not good.
	We don't need people to believe in God.
	We need people to believe in government.
	That's a scary thought.
	So for me, I think, you know, when we have the debate with religion, it's a great debate to have, you know, with Muslims or, you know, Seventh Day or Scientology.
	There was a year, 2003, I was an atheist for 24, 25 years of my life and I'm going out there trying to find out what's really going on.
	I'd go read Dianetics, I'd go read all the stuff on, you know, LDS and, you know, Gordon B. Hinckley or Cleons, you know, all these guys you're reading on.
	Okay, okay, I see this here, I see this here.
	There's a place for religion debate.
	Let's do that, no problem.
	But for me, I want as many people around me to try to exercise whatever faith they're going.
	Whether you're a Christian, Catholic, you know, you're LDS, you're this, you're that.
	I'm a non-denominational Christian today, right?
	We need more people to have faith.
	We do need more people to have faith for one very specific reason.
	It's where truth comes from.
	If you're an atheist, you have no compass.
	You cannot tell me why mutilating children is wrong.
	If you don't believe in God as a source of truth, you cannot tell.
	If there's no objective truth outside you, it's just an appeal to what?
	My decision?
	God bless you, Patrick, but David.
	Superb.
	Let's go to Jim in Tennessee.
	He's been waiting very patiently.
	Line one.
	Hey, Gord.
	Seb, thank you for taking my call.
	I just want to let you know I've been in Tennessee now for two months since I escaped from California and loving it here.
	My wife can work from home.
	The cost of living is so much cheaper here.
	We love it.
	Just love it.
	The people are friendly.
	They're sympathetic to us leaving California.
	And I have one other question.
	You didn't ask me a question.
	That was a statement.
	So what's your first question?
	My first question is, isn't a bad conduct discharge a felony offense?
	And you can't own a gun after you've had a You mean a dishonorable discharge?
	Yes.
	Correct.
	It's not a felony, but it does affect the rest of your life legally.
	Why?
	How can Hunter buy a gun?
	Because he wasn't dishonorably discharged, Jim.
	He wasn't?
	No.
	His daddy made sure that he got an other than dishonorable discharge.
	So he can be found with drugs in his bloodstream, kicked out of the Navy, and he wasn't disciplined and he didn't get a dishonorable discharge.
	Thank you for the question, Jim, but you gotta do your homework.
	Don't call in the show with bad information, dude.
	He didn't get a dishonorable discharge.
	Why?
	Because he was Senator Biden's little boy.
	That's how corrupt the swamp is.
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	Oh, no!
	Tiffany Gomez is a Dallas resident.
	She was kicked off the plane following a bizarre outburst, which led, for hours of delay, passengers not seeing lizard people.
	They've identified the lady.
	Which lady?
	The lady on the plane.
	Oh, that crazy lady?
	You don't believe in lizard people?
	You're calling her crazy?
	The memes were just legendary.
	Like, she has an entire online following now.
	I know.
	We might have to make a t-shirt of Tiffany.
	Her name is Tiffany, that sounds so powerful.
	Tiffany Gowas.
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	It is from TheKlausMeister for $5.
	He says, Trump and DeSantis supporters are so pissed at Ron DeSantis.
	Take the great cat turd, for example.
	He lives in Florida, supported and voted for both.
	Very pissed at DeSantis.
	Thank you, Klaus, for the massive support.
	Thank you, Klaus.
	But why?
	Why are they newly pissed?
	That's what I want to know.
	I honestly, he doesn't say, I could ask him in chat what he thinks, but, um, I mean, it's a number of things.
	Again, I've heard that there's a bit of an insurance crisis going on in Florida right now that DeSantis is just not paying attention to at all because he's running for president.
	Oh!
	Like, what kind of crisis?
	Like, you said you heard about this, right, Geoff?
	That a bunch of insurance companies are, like, pulling out of Florida because, like... Yeah, that's been going on.
	That's a little bit of a stretch, I think, though.
	To blame it on DeSantis.
	And I'd love to blame stuff on DeSantis, but... So why do we think they're newly annoyed?
	Hmm...
	Maybe the voter fraud stuff, the stuff he just said the other day.
	Cause that is definitely, he has not said that before.
	We know why his donors are upset.
	Meta45...
	Alright, what are we no- we played Patrick...
	We played both Troms.
	Oh, we had to do 15 at some point.
	Bob, Pence.
	Oh, we'll do those with... Cash.
	Cash.
	Yeah, we played 14.
	Brief.
	How about Clayton?
	Come in with 5.
	Come in with 5.
	Tyson no liner Tyson no liner
	And with five You
	You You
	You you
	you It is a little weird that we split people by male and
	female in this way.
	I'm imagining a hundred years from now, looking back and say, do you know, back a hundred years ago, they'd split boys and girls and they couldn't compete.
	And I was like, that just be kind of a little weird.
	That must be afraid of being canceled as well.
	That's Neil, um, the grass Tyson.
	Eric, isn't he like meant to be like a big, big scientist?
	I guess, yeah, he's like a... what even... he's an astronomer or something like that?
	Yeah, I try to ignore him because I just... The absolute... dumbing down of the idea of science between guys like him and Bill Nye, it's just insulting.
	I'm not even huge on science.
	He's not a Carl Sagan, that's for sure, but then he says, oh man, it's not about chromosomes and a hundred years from now men and women will be competing together No, they won't, because idiots like you will have died out and we will have returned to sanity.
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	Should we televise President Trump's trial?
	Let's ask Kevin, line 2, Arizona.
	Hello, Dr. Gorka.
	How are you?
	Good.
	Hello, Dr. Gorka.
	How are you?
	Good.
	Oh, good.
	Yeah, my name is Tappan.
	It sounds like Kevin, so whatever.
	What is your name?
	Tappan.
	T-A-P-P-A-N.
	Where does that come from?
	New York.
	No, no, the origins of the name.
	I'm sure the name doesn't come from New York.
	English.
	It's English.
	Spell it again?
	P-A-P-P-A-N.
	Never heard it before.
	My family came to the United States in the 1600s.
	Love it.
	All right.
	What's your comment?
	What's your question?
	But I'm nobody special.
	Anyway, my comment is, I want to say three things.
	So it's a holy trinity call here.
	Number one, I want to thank you for what you're doing.
	You epitomize what it means to be a great American.
	The story... I don't know the story of your whole life, but I know a little bit about it, and I'm looking for an autobiography, because it's more fascinating than a Tom Clancy novel, from what I've heard.
	So I would really... I know autobiographies are supposed to be at the end of life, but in this particular case, I say strike while the iron's hot.
	But anyway, so that's number one.
	Thank you.
	Number two, I don't think that Trump This trial, it's a sham.
	They're going to spin it against him.
	He can't win.
	They own the media.
	They own the court.
	And no matter what, it's going to look bad.
	So, no to that.
	And the last thing is the question, and this is an open-ended question, is I wonder how we are going to take the nation back from these bad people Who have spent so much energy and money and time to orchestrate the theft of a presidential election and many other things without bloodshed.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's an important question because they've shed so much blood.
	More than three dozen people killed.
	Stay on the line.
	Don't go anywhere, Cap'n.
	With BLM, with the KKK, the Democrat organization, with Black Lives Matter, the Black Panthers, the SDS, the Weathermen, the Weather Underground, they take lives with zero moral compunction.
	So it is the question, God willing, it won't come to that, but we have to take back America.
	First thing we have to do is we have to get President Trump back in the White House.
	As to an autobiography, I think I'm only 52, so I think I'm probably a little bit young.
	If you want to know my crazy backstory, we had on the amazing team from Red Pilled America who did an hour-long interview with me where They got me to talk about stuff I've never talked about, so a good friend of mine just texted me this morning saying, that was amazing!
	Yeah, because they're amazing.
	You can check that out at Red Pilled America if you have access to the podcast platform that they're on.
	But there's autobiographical stuff in all of my books.
	Just at least a chapter in each about my family.
	So stay on the line, and let's give Cap'n each of my books.
	Let's give him Defeating Jihad, Why We Fight, and The War for America's Soul, and then he can kind of put the jigsaw puzzle pieces together.
	If you want any of my books, you can go to sebgorkastore.com.
	That's S-E-B-G-O-R-K-A sebgorkastore.com.
	And thank you, God bless, for your kind comments.
	And nobody's a nobody.
	Don't ever call into my show and say, I'm a nobody.
	You're an American.
	God bless you.
	Let's go to David, Illinois, line three.
	Hi Seb, I enjoy your show.
	I voted for Trump in 16 and 20.
	And I have, sir, just one question for you with three subparts.
	Oh, you got to be quick then.
	Go ahead.
	You only got a minute left.
	Go ahead.
	Isn't it true that Mark Zuckerberg put about $400 million into the 2020 election to help sway it in favor of Democrats?
	Correct.
	Okay.
	Where do you think Mark Zuckerberg gets his money?
	He made it on Facebook.
	Okay, it's by people just going to Facebook.
	No, no, no.
	It's by selling the information of the people who go on Facebook.
	It's by selling ads to the people who use Facebook.
	That's how he made his money.
	Okay, by eyeballs going to Facebook to make more money.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Isn't it true that you send people to Facebook thereby swaying the 2024 election in favor of Democrats?
	No, because that's not how he swayed the election.
	He swayed the election by putting drop boxes in Democrat districts.
	What's the point you're trying to make?
	With money from When people go to Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg gets more money.
	You're sending people to Facebook.
	He doesn't steal the election with people going to my page, David.
	That would be moronic, because my page is full of right-wing patriotic content.
	He swayed it by funding the local elections, which is illegal.
	David, don't go down this.
	You will lose this argument, okay?
	Do not go down this avenue.
	Going to my pro-American pages doesn't help Mark Zuckerberg.
	What's your last point?
	That's it.
	You're just giving Mark Zuckerberg more eyeballs, whereby he gets more money, and thereby he will use it against you.
	Dude, he didn't steal the election by having people go to my webpage.
	What an idiotic suggestion.
	He did it by privatizing the election, by putting drop boxes in Democrat districts.
	Nice try, David, but you've got to try harder, okay?
	Call back when you've got a better stupid idea.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka, this is America First, coming to you live from the reliefactor.com studios.
	If you enjoy the show, make sure that you are following us on all social media platforms, Facebook included, because that's how we get our message out there, David.
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	And don't forget my Substack, brand new article today on the hidden victims of Jack Smith.
	go to sebastiangawker.substack.com oh look it's Larry
	Larry is on Fox.
	Oh, he must be, uh... He must be in New York.
	No, hang on, where does Cavuto come out of?
	New York, right?
	Yeah, New York.
	I think so, yeah.
	Such a shame he might not make the stage.
	Oh, is that what they're saying?
	He's probably not gonna make it, yeah.
	He doesn't have 40,000, um, donations?
	Or the polling requirement.
	No, he's still at zero in the polling requirements.
	Ooh, that's shocking.
	It blows my mind that Burgum has made it on stage, but Pence still hasn't.
	I'm not saying I like Pence, but like, how in the world Burgum made it?
	Did you see Burgum defend the president?
	Did he?
	Yeah.
	Oh, that's interesting.
	Yeah.
	I don't get it.
	If he got so many votes in California, how does he not make the race?
	Yeah, that's what I don't understand either.
	He's got the name recognition.
	Yeah.
	It's disappointing.
	Ooh, look what he's saying!
	I think Pence made the right decision.
	Uh-oh.
	That's why you won't make the stage, dude.
	Uh-oh.
	Oh, dear.
	That is awesome.
	Alright, are we dialing Mr. Patel?
	I'm giving him a minute, because he had another interview up until 4.30.
	Okay.
	As far as what David was saying, the whole argument that, like, oh, you should just stay off all the big tech platforms and only stick with the alternatives, that only gets you so far.
	Right.
	Like, you can't get a following off of, like, Gab and Telegram.
	You can't do it.
	Nobody can.
	No, you can't get the information out there.
	Why did it take so long?
	Especially after she was stopped by the police and everything.
	After the whole Shia LaBeouf thing, I'm convinced there's nothing 4chan can't do.
	What did they do with Shia LaBeouf?
	So right after Trump gets sworn in, he started that He Will Not Divide Us campaign.
	Shia LaBeouf did?
	Yeah, he and Will Smith's son and one other young actor.
	They did this thing.
	So at first it was the 24-7 non-stop live stream at the New York Art Museum or something.
	And a bunch of 4chan was trolling it in person, like Shia LaBeouf attacked a guy for being pro-Trump.
	Then later he's like, OK, I'm going to do a flag instead.
	It's a flag that says, He Will Not Divide Us.
	And I'm going to set it up somewhere in the world where the camera's aiming up at the flag so all you see is the sky.
	You have no idea where this flag is, it's just somewhere.
	Within like, I think, 72 hours, the absolute autists over on 4chan used the cloud patterns No, no, no, no.
	Is there a story about that?
	Alright, he's wrapping up another interview right now.
	Yeah, no worries.
	with air travel and weather patterns to find the flag.
	Good.
	It was in like Kansas or something in the middle of a field.
	Yeah.
	And they found it and took it down within three days and replaced it with a Pepe flag.
	Is there a story about that?
	Let me see if there's a single article. It's out there.
	This is real. I'm not making this up. Let me find it.
	Alright, he's wrapping up another interview right now.
	Yeah, no worries. Good.
	That's nuts.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Here's looking at you, Snowflake.
	America first.
	Welcome back, dear friends.
	Welcome back, dear friends.
	And what a great, great disappointment he was to us, the former vice president of the United States, Mike Pence.
	And of course, he's making statements now to CNN.
	Cut three.
	Would you be willing to testify at the president's trial if the special counsel called you to do so?
	Well, you know, I testified before the grand jury under a subpoena after we got clarification from the court about protections that I have under the Constitution as the President of the Senate.
	But I have no plans to testify, but look, we'll always comply with the law.
	Well, always comply with the law.
	Yeah.
	What about when the law is crooked?
	What about when the Department of Justice has a political objective, and that is to prevent the leader of the opposition from displacing the current incumbent?
	How about that, Mike Pence?
	Are you going to lie to them as well about having a constitutional right not to do anything on January the 6th?
	Then why are you the President of the Senate?
	Is it just for tie-breaking votes?
	No.
	You know as well as I do, Mike, that it is your sworn duty to send any questionable results back to the states where they came from.
	I read, at the weekend, I read all 45 pages of the Jack Smith indictment for a second time, and in it they lied again and again and again.
	That the goal was to do what?
	To send the votes back?
	No, no, no, no.
	To overturn the election.
	Of course they said that, but they were lying.
	Somebody else who's keen to testify is the former Attorney General.
	He's on CBS.
	Cut 17, the disgrace that is Bill Barr.
	Were you interviewed by the special counsel?
	I'm not going to get into any discussion.
	Would you appear as a witness if called?
	Of course.
	Could you describe your interactions with the president on this question about whether or not he won or lost and what you told him?
	Well, I wasn't discussing... Well, I go through that in my book in painstaking detail, but on three occasions at least, and I told him in no uncertain terms that there was no evidence of fraud that would have changed the outcome.
	The worst of the worst as far as I'm concerned.
	Let's ask somebody who knows the swamp as well as I do, if not better.
	He served as the Deputy National Director for Intelligence, Chief of Staff in the Pentagon, and also Chief Investigator for the Intelligence Committee on Congress on Capitol Hill in the House.
	A good friend, a great patriot.
	Kash Patel, happy Monday.
	Hey, Seb, happy Monday.
	Great to be back with you.
	Is there anybody worse than Bill Barr?
	Oh man, he's up there as like, probably, he's definitely a tier one government gangster.
	I would put Chris Wray and Rod Rosenstein and Comey in the same company, but it's a tough race up there.
	Yeah, it really is.
	There's so many of them, especially the second tier, you know, the Lisa Monaco's, the ones that really run the DOJ, the Victorian New London State.
	That's a great phrase.
	I love that government gangster.
	Somebody should write that book.
	Oh, you did!
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	They couldn't stop him.
	They tried to.
	The DoD tried to stop him, but it's out.
	Get it right now.
	Governmentgangsters.com.
	All right.
	We haven't spoken since last week's utterly historic, infamous events.
	We've had Alina Haber on the show.
	We're going to get the president, President Trump, on the show as well.
	Your reaction?
	How about this?
	Let's start with this question.
	We've got this question up on our website.
	Should this trial be televised?
	Should they, you know, get rid of the judge, get her recused, take it to West Virginia, and then use this as a platform, go to SebGawker.com, vote today, should Jack Smith's trial against President Trump be televised?
	Because, tell me if I'm wrong here, because maybe I'm not as cynical as you are, this is a perfect opportunity To disclose all of the evidence we have about 2020 and the Deep State, is this an own goal for the Deep State?
	Is this trial an own goal already, Cash?
	Seb, I think I'm about to ruin your show permanently, so you may want to hit the off switch.
	Hang on, the dumb button is ready.
	I got the dumb button right here.
	Go ahead.
	Seb and I, on this rarest of occasions, and I gotta look at my phone, August 7th, the year of our Lord, 2023, May well very end up agreeing with Adam Schiff just a little bit.
	No, don't say that on my show!
	Ratings just went through the roof.
	No, of course, I jest.
	But look, as a former federal prosecutor and public defender, we understand in federal courts why there's no cameras.
	You don't want outside influence ever.
	You want the defendant to get a fair trial, you want the government to be able to put on a constitutional case, and you don't want undue outside influence.
	That being said, If you put a camera in this trial, it would be the only one where it might be appropriate.
	And here's why.
	It's the President of the United States who's running for the presidency again.
	And this way, the American public and the world gets to see every piece of evidence Every witness, every question, every answer, and all of the judge's conduct.
	And the reason that's important is because the DOJ and FBI are trying to rig the presidential election with this trial and other trials, and the mainstream media, you know CNN, The Washington Post, New York Times, are gonna get their snippet material and edit it to put out their lies against President Trump.
	And if you have it on 24-7 simulcast, They can't do that.
	I'm going to ask you next in the next segment, is there any chance at that?
	In the meantime, governmentgangsters.com.
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	I'll ask it in the break right now in front of Rumble.
	I'll ask you in the break right now in front of Rumble.
	There's no chance, right, to get this televised?
	I don't see a way of it happening.
	Yeah.
	Have you got a new rig?
	You got a really sharp picture.
	Did you change your camera?
	You know, I got this cheesy light that you stick on top.
	Uh-huh.
	It works.
	It's this thing.
	You just put it on top.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	And you can take it anywhere.
	It's great.
	It's battery powered, right?
	Yeah.
	It lasts for like four hours.
	You never sent me the cigar fridge information, Patel.
	Oh, shit.
	Yeah.
	Doing it now.
	Thank you.
	I'm so curious.
	It's amazing.
	It's one of my best orders.
	Good.
	All right.
	Well, let's talk about Chutkan.
	Let's Chutkan, Chutkan.
	Fusion GPS.
	What else is important?
	I think that's the main thing.
	We're going after the recusal.
	I hope the lawyers are listening today.
	Okay.
	I'm going to do PhD here.
	PhD at the top.
	At the top.
	I didn't do my pillow.
	What else is important?
	Is there anything important we can play?
	Pillow and E probably.
	Yeah, Degrasse Tyson we did.
	Oh, play me four again.
	Four.
	Donald Trump is who our founders dreaded.
	They always worry that someone could get, and they talked about men, they didn't think of women getting elected at that time, someone getting himself elected to the president who was reckless and lawless and a demagogue and out for his own power and maybe allied secretly with hostile foreign governments.
	Crazy.
	Crazy.
	One minute.
	How's the book doing?
	It's doing really well.
	Yeah, finally coming out September 19th.
	Finally.
	When are you going to be in D.C.
	next?
	I will get back to D.C.
	on Tuesday, a week from tomorrow, for just like two or three days.
	Can you come in studio?
	Yeah, I'll tell Erica right now.
	Great.
	30, PhD at the top.
	Yep.
	I'm gonna go.
	I'm gonna go.
	You're listening to America First with Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to President Donald J. Trump.
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	You could do that, right Cash?
	I'm only going back if you're going back, Seb, and I think we lost your entire viewership because of the shift comments.
	So you're only talking to one person.
	If you're going in, I'm going in.
	And the president said, you're going to come back.
	And I said, sir, it's not just a duty.
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	Cash, let's talk about this.
	Just show trial and and I just I can't believe when I this is not a fifth time I've discussed this I can't believe I'm saying this how is a judge Who was at the same law firm with Hunter Biden, the president's son, and who hired Fusion GPS to go after Bob McDonald, the source of the smear filed against President Trump.
	How on God's green earth is this woman, Judge Chutkan, even allowed in the same building as this trial?
	Well, that's because there are no coincidences in government.
	And that's because the swamp is the swamp.
	And look, Judge Shutkin, for those that don't know, I get that she represented Burisma, Hunter Biden's, you know, fraudulent consulting firm.
	She was a lawyer at the same law firm with Hunter Biden.
	But Seb, let's just put that aside.
	Let's just say what other matters are there for her recusal?
	Well, in 2017, when Devin Nunes and I were running the Russiagate investigation, We figured out who paid for the Steele dossier, the original sin that launched a thousand ships against Donald Trump baselessly.
	Fusion GPS, the Democratic National Committee and the Hillary Clinton campaign paid Christopher Steele millions of dollars and they laundered it through the FBI and the FISA court to unlawfully surveil Donald Trump.
	That's big time stuff.
	On the eve of us winning that disclosure before the world knew, Fusion GPS took us to federal court and that case landed in Judge Chutkin's courtroom.
	No.
	It gets better.
	It gets better.
	After a month of heavy litigation where Judge Chutkin knew the ins and outs of Fusion GPS, our proceedings, and all possible witnesses, et cetera, when she could not prevent us from prevailing, she recused on her own from that case.
	Why is that?
	Well, we went to find out that her law firm, Boies Schiller, represented Fusion GPS.
	The very client that was in front of her in federal court was one of her former clients.
	That is rule number one for disqualification.
	And by the way, just in case you just, you know, this is, you know, Boyce Flexner is the same company where she and Hunter Biden worked.
	Yeah, right.
	You can't make this stuff up.
	But you gotta ask yourself, Seb, how come it took her a month?
	It's Judge 101.
	If you represented a client, they can never appear before you.
	Period.
	She wanted to block it.
	She wanted to block the bank records.
	Imagine if we never figured out who paid for the dossier.
	And why do I bring that up now?
	She set the precedent.
	She cannot neutrally and arbitrarily preside over Donald J. Trump's criminal trial when she recused herself from the very representation of the Democratic entrenchment, the DNC, the Hillary campaign, Fusion GPS, because she was so biased because of her prior representation from Boy Schiller.
	How could she possibly be allowed to stay on this case?
	And it wasn't us, Seb.
	We got her off because of our own history.
	That precedent is what Donald Trump's lawyers must apply this week to get her recused from this case.
	So we can send this clip to Mar-a-Lago, please.
	I hope you're all listening.
	Let's be very clear here.
	We had Alina Haber on the show the day after the arraignment in D.C.
	She was superb.
	As a former prosecutor, As a person who knows the Deep State intimately, what is the best strategy?
	We had Dershowitz on the show, we had Joe DiGenova.
	Joe said, throw everything, throw the change of venue, the recusal, the fact that everything is protected under the First Amendment that's listed as a quote-unquote crime in this 45 pages.
	What is your advice to the team and to the president?
	Throw it all at the wall or be more selective in the approach?
	It's a hybrid approach.
	I think all of those are righteous motions to file in pretrial fashion.
	But I think you've got to sequence it.
	You've got to start with the recusal of the judge.
	Because that's the person that's going to decide every single thing in this case.
	And we've laid out why Judge Chutkan has to go, based on her own precedent that she set on recusals.
	So that should be the first motion filed by the lawyers, starting with the 2017 Fusion GPS litigation, and then building down towards the Boyce-Flexner representation of Fusion, Hunter, Burisma, and all the other Democratic entrenchment.
	And what they must include in that recusal memo is a possible list of witnesses that Donald Trump will call in his defense, That boy's shiller used for representation purposes which would disqualify Chutkan immediately.
	That's how you get a judge off the case.
	That's a technical thing.
	Explain that because that could be dynamite.
	You got a minute.
	Explain how that works.
	Yeah.
	Look, the fact that DOJ brought this case is gonna allow us to re-litigate, and Donald Trump mostly, to re-litigate the January 6th events.
	And in doing so, now Donald Trump, since he's charged criminally and not civilly, can call any witness in America, and the world for that matter, any government official, Merrick Garland, Chris Wray, Lisa Monaco, any private citizen, Fusion GPS, the DNC, whoever's running Joe Biden's campaign, Hunter Biden even, any witness he wants, By federal judge subpoena authority.
	And because of that, if Donald Trump highlights some of the witnesses that potentially could aid in his defense, and she and Boyce Shiller represented them in the past, she's out.
	Genius, dude.
	Genius, genius, genius.
	We need to do a murder board on what has to happen in that courtroom when it comes to legal policy and legal tactics.
	Can you do a longer interview later this week, Cash?
	Next week I'm going to be live in your studio.
	Okay, we've got to do that.
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	Tied up for that one.
	How the quickest way to get Trump's judge recused.
	Thank you.
	God, that was bloody genius.
	You think it's going to work, though?
	Because it's already a corrupt DC court in general.
	Well, it doesn't matter.
	I mean, if she has to call the witnesses, and if they're from her old firm, she's stuffed.
	That's it.
	You can't be a judge and have witnesses in front of you who are colleagues of yours.
	Well, what about, like, in, um, the trial, what was that one FBI lawyer who got off?
	What was his name?
	The, um... Sussman.
	Yeah.
	One of the jurors literally had, like, a daughter... Yeah, that's different.
	That's different.
	That's different.
	There's no ethical standards for jurors in the same way there are for judges.
	It's like, you can't be a judge over a trial that involves your relative, right?
	It's the same thing.
	Okay.
	Wanna come in with something?
	I mean, look, Laura, that's true.
	I travel the country all the time, and many Republican voters view themselves as pawn in an overall political game.
	It's not just Democrats that they dislike and distrust.
	It's the Republican establishment that they dislike and distrust.
	And to that very salient point, Donald Trump, for them, is their final arbiter against this entire political mechanism that is against them, these elites, these highly educated individuals, telling them how they should live their lives, telling them what is best for them.
	Just on CNN!
	That's somebody called Shermichael Singleton.
	He was the host of that event I went to at the incredible XCAL gun range at the weekend.
	We're going to get him on the show because that analysis of how Americans are fed up and why they're still supporting President Trump was on the money.
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	Let's go to Pennsylvania, line one, Brad.
	Yes, Dr. Gorka.
	Hey.
	I need a favor from you.
	Could you please explain what the heck this QAnon and QAnon is conspiracy theorist garbage propaganda that is probably created by the left, and even if it isn't, it harms the conservative movement.
	I totally agree, but I don't know how you convince... there's millions of believers that are told to... We'll ask them one very simple question.
	Whatever happened to the 5,000 sealed indictments?
	We were told we're gonna be dropped in 2019, in 2020, in 2021, in 2022, and they never appeared.
	If you believe in that, you're a cretin and you're a useful tool of the left.
	That's a longer discussion.
	Great question.
	Stay on the line.
	Let's get Brad a copy of The War for America's Soul.
	Tom, Illinois, line 5.
	Hey, Dr. Gorka, appreciate the show and your work, sir.
	Thank you.
	So, Doctor, I was a big believer in a Trump-DeSantis ticket out of the belief that I thought we'd get President Trump back for four years and then we'd get DeSantis for eight years.
	And I think DeSantis has compromised future any I believe he's compromised himself in the future
	with Trump supporters regardless of if it's after President Trump wins here in 2024 and I
	wanted to ask you what you thought about a possible presidential poll, a 2028 poll with Ron DeSantis
	against Donald Trump Jr. I know Mr.
	Trump Jr. I said look I'm not interested in 2028 we got to win 2024 but
	But to your previous point, Tom, I even mentioned it on this show like a year ago.
	If Ron's smart, he runs for the VP ticket, a member of the cabinet, and then he slides into the top slot in 2028.
	And he just screwed it up royally for himself.
	I think you're right.
	Our Trump supporters have had it with him.
	And it's only Ron who has to blame himself.
	But 2028, I don't care.
	We've got to win 2024 first.
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	you you
	you soldiers sailors and airmen of the Allied Expeditionary
	Force you are about to embark upon the great crusade
	...toward which we have striven these many months.
	The eyes of the world are upon you.
	The hopes and prayers of liberty-loving people everywhere march with you.
	In company with our brave allies and brothers in arms on other fronts, you will bring about the destruction of the German war machine, the elimination of Nazi tyranny over the oppressed peoples of Europe, and security for ourselves in a free world.
	Your task will not be an easy one.
	Your enemy is well-trained, well-equipped, and battle-hardened.
	He will fight savagely.
	But this is the year 1944.
	Much has happened since the Nazi triumphs of 1940-41.
	The United Nations have inflicted upon the Germans great defeats in open battle, man-to-man.
	Our air offensive has seriously reduced their strength in the air and their capacity to wage war on the ground.
	Our home fronts have given us an overwhelming superiority in weapons and munitions of war, and placed at our disposal great reserves of trained fighting men.
	The tide has turned.
	The free men of the world are marching together to victory.
	I have full confidence in your courage, devotion to duty, and skill in battle.
	We will accept nothing less than full victory.
	Good luck.
	And let us all beseech the blessing of Almighty God upon this great and noble undertaking.
	Beseech the blessings of God, because we are fighting for full victory.
	Dwight D. Eisenhower, Supreme Allied Commander, with his D-Day message to the troops.
	That would take back Europe and defeat the Nazi scourge.
	We played it in full because, well...
	It's history, and it's a perfect way to welcome our guest, a fan of the show, a friend of the show who has supported us from the beginning.
	I've known him for at least two decades, a man who is so versed in national security and foreign affairs.
	He is the authority we consult and a perfect guest for a longer discussion, not just our regular weekly chats on geopolitics, He is, from the Heritage Foundation, Special Counsel, Colonel, PhD, Jim Carafano.
	Welcome.
	Did you ever think that like 20 years ago we'd be sitting here doing this?
	With you bringing me McDonald's, apple pies, never!
	Never!
	If you somebody told me that you'd have a national radio show, this guy'd be Vice President of Heritage and coming in, no, no, absolutely crackers.
	Well I, look, I always knew you were somebody I know I've told this story before, but I never forgot when you were teaching a course, and then you got this gig at Breitbart, and you couldn't finish the course.
	So they asked me to fill in for you.
	I said, yeah, sure, just give me the syllabus, and I'll teach you.
	And I get the syllabus, and I was like, oh my God!
	This is like a PhD!
	It was hard work just reading everything in the syllabus, let alone keeping up.
	Well, that's false modesty.
	This is the guy who writes books that become mandatory reading, and that was at National Defense University, where it wasn't the college where I taught, but I will just state here that the National War College at Fort McNair has a saying, well, the colonels who go there have a saying, it's only a lot of reading if you do it.
	Well, that's what I discovered with the... All right.
	Literally, he has written books, textbooks that I used on Homeland Security and so much else.
	Just go online, put in James Carafano and you'll see all the superb titles.
	I'm going to start in reverse because I have a list of questions that my muse gave me when we started this.
	I think you're maybe the 30th man Manhood interview, we've had some amazing names, you know, General Boykin, Jack Carr, you name it, Victor Davis Hanson.
	But you're such a... I always learn from you, not just pop culture and movie reviews, but history.
	You always bring up these incredible anecdotes, these real stories from history.
	Where is that generation?
	I mean, Eisenhower's generation.
	I don't mean, you know, just the statesmen.
	But the guys who are in the boats, in the troop carriers, is that dead and gone?
	Have we just, you know, said goodbye to the last great hero that's an American?
	No, you know, generations are made by history.
	So, for example, if you read a lot of this generation, and, you know, we always say that the kids going off to war, everybody thinks that the guys that fought World War II were 17- and 18-year-old kids, and they weren't.
	Actually, the average age was in the mid-20s.
	So, these are actually, you know, more than young adults, like what we would call millennials, basically.
	And if you read a lot of what they wrote, particularly up to, you know, Pearl Harbor, many of them were shocked by World War II.
	They were either very small children or, you know, when World War I was, you know, they saw World War I veterans, you know, come back in pieces and stuff.
	And they were shocked that there could be another world war.
	They had lived through the depression, so the greatness of America, that shine had been lost.
	And they actually, if you read, they were like, can we do this?
	I mean, can we do what our fathers did and go off and fight?
	So we actually went into that war with an enormous amount of insecurity of whether this generation was actually up to that.
	And this was something that people like Eisenhower and George Marshall, They really worried about, can this generation go and fight
	and kill and endure?
	And one of the interesting things actually is if you read a lot of the history of the
	1970s, when we tried to essentially kind of undermine the legacy of World War II.
	Because we failed in Vietnam and because of the civil rights and the anti-war movement,
	we cannot be as good a country as we thought we were.
	Therefore, we must have always.
	And so we...
	Revisionist.
	Right, and it was, well we just won because we could throw more refrigerators at them,
	right?
	We had this massive economy and we kind of ground them in the dust.
	But actually the really good army was the German army.
	And that's demonstrably not true.
	I've written two World War II history books in particular which were very deep dives on
	two very tough campaigns.
	One was in Europe, the fighting in the Bokaj in Normandy after D-Day, and the other was in the Pacific, and maybe the toughest fighting anywhere in the world in World War II, which was in Papua New Guinea.
	And the reality is these were places where the odds were even.
	Where Americans didn't have every advantage, where many of them learned how to fight on the battlefield, and Americans were just as good, if not better, than their German adversaries or their Japanese adversaries.
	So the answer is this generation became a great generation because they were steeled in the fire of challenge and they responded to that.
	The books Jim has mentioned are After D-Day, Operation Cobra, and The Normandy Breakout, plus Brutal War, Jungle Fighting in Papua New Guinea.
	What about the leaders?
	Do we have marshals?
	Do we have Eisenhowers today?
	It seems like ancient Greece.
	It seems like we're reading the Iliad.
	So let me tell you why we actually wound up with people like Nimitz and Eisenhower and George Marshall.
	Honestly, it's because nobody cared, right?
	So if you look at the military really of the interwar years, the Great War was in the past, defense spending was way, way down.
	Yeah.
	We had an army the size of Belgium.
	Nobody thought, and we had just the nascent Air Force and really not the world's most powerful Navy.
	Nobody ever thought we'd be fighting again.
	And so the good news was nobody got promoted, but nobody got fired.
	And what that meant was, People that stayed, stayed because they wanted to be in the
	service and they believed in selfless service.
	But they also had the freedom and liberty to really pursue their passions.
	So George Patton was just this guy who was just fascinated with mechanical things and just thought armor was really
	cool.
	And he could do that because like nobody cared, right?
	You want to go be an armor guy?
	Well, like we're probably never going to build any of these things.
	But sure, go ahead.
	You know, guys like Stilwell could... and so we produced all these kind of weird ducks, right?
	Like Wiedemeyer who wrote the Victory Plan was hanging out in Germany at the Kriegsakademie.
	Right.
	or...
	and I really appreciate it.
	Ridgway, who went and studied in Japan with the Japanese.
	So suddenly we were faced with a global conflict on a global scale that presented unbelievable different kinds of problems, from how do you keep the Chinese in the war in Asia, to how do you plan the D-Day invasion, to how do you build the atomic bomb.
	And we reached into the kit bag and all those guys were there!
	Crazy people who love America, who've been bettering themselves.
	What we have now is really the opposite.
	We've had... Hold that thought.
	I want you to explain what we have now because he knows better than most.
	Follow this man on Twitter at J.J.
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	Jim...
	I want to ask you how we got to where we are right now, what the current state of the military is, but first let's do a geopolitical snapshot.
	Let's take a, what do we call it in the British military, estimate of the situation, a SITREP if you will.
	How bad is the assault On classic virtues of manhood, manliness, masculinity, it seems as if we're at a nadir.
	It really has become an ideological goal for one side of the political spectrum.
	Yeah, well, it's kind of a good news, bad news story.
	On the one hand, I would say it is historically unprecedented in modern times.
	On the other hand, I'd say I think we've almost reached the peak of this, where the absurdity of it has become so demonstrably proven that something's going to change.
	You have how many years in the Army?
	I had 25.
	Okay, 25 years.
	You come out as a colonel.
	Did you ever imagine, did you ever believe that you would have, for example, drag queens in drag recruiting for the U.S.
	Navy?
	Well, you know, actually it's exactly the opposite.
	You know, so I was commissioned in an army where, you know, people still had strippers in the officers club, right?
	And, you know, we're, you know what?
	None of this is really appropriate, right, in the service, right?
	So I actually grew up in an army, which, by the way, added a significant number of women in most of my professional career, and where we went through things like, for example, like Tailhook, which is the famous baby scandal.
	The army went through a couple of very serious scandals, including Aberdeen and some of the training things.
	I actually worked for the Army Chief of Staff when the Army Sergeant Major was removed for sexual harassment and somebody else.
	And so we had gone through a period where it became all about respect, right?
	And so manhood wasn't defined by the ability to project power on other people.
	It was, manhood was defined by doing the right thing, by being respectful.
	And so it was very, very, it was different.
	The idea that going, that manhood was going to the club and getting blind drunk, right?
	And being the laugh guy, that was, that kind of vision had disappeared.
	And...
	And so anyway, that's the army I left, right?
	The military I left, which was all about respect, right?
	Today, it's become so politicized.
	And it's good to look at the general officer corps, because these are the people that run the military.
	And I described this officer corps that came of age during World War II and how they just turned out to be the right people at the right time.
	It's never always that way.
	These things have life cycles and they change.
	So if it's very bad, it never stays bad, or if it's very good, it never stays very good.
	So for example, Vietnam was deeply corrupting for lots of reasons.
	And the general officers that ran the military didn't deal with it very well.
	And we came out of that war really damaged psychologically as a military.
	And of course, having Jim Reyes Carter as president really didn't help.
	And so what happened was, if you look at that last decade of the 1980s, we had a tremendous
	revival when Reagan was president and everything else.
	And what happened is you had a bunch of officers come to age as general officers who had lived
	through Vietnam in the Carter years.
	And their driving thing was, we're never going to do that again.
	We are not going to be screwed up like that.
	And really, really try to professionalize the military.
	And the military, again, that was built on respect and professionalism of the 80s, that's the military that they built.
	Now, they were great at that.
	Because, you know, militaries are like children, right?
	With big guns.
	Well, no, no, like, you know, generals bring up the people behind them.
	And so, you know, each generation kind of picks the guys behind them unless there's something discontinuous that breaks that thing.
	And so what we did was we created successive generation of officers who are really good at fighting the Cold War.
	Yes.
	But then what happened was the Cold War ended.
	Yeah.
	And they really struggled at adapting to the new world.
	And then, of course, 9-11 came along, and we were embroiled in real wars, and people had to get back into the business of fighting and everything.
	And I think we probably would have come out of that better if Obama had not been president.
	Because, to be honest, and you know me, I'm not political, I'm not right.
	When Obama, he really interjected politics into government, into civil-military relations.
	And using the military as a petri dish, no?
	Right, and that grew over time and it's really been exacerbated by by Biden. And you had this kind of brief in the regnum when
	Trump was president, but four years is not enough to reshape the senior officer corps,
	and of course Trump discovered that. So the result today is we have a military that has
	been highly politicized, and we have violated that boundary of the military ought to be an
	institution that we ought to use for the purpose it has, and we shouldn't play politics with
	it.
	Which is preparing to win wars, and if we have to fight them to actually do that.
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	So here's a fun question, Jim.
	In your understanding of what it means to be a man, a leader, a person who fulfills the masculine ideal, who are your role models?
	I know your father was a police officer, so talk about all the role models, whether it was training sergeants, somebody you were in the same squad with, or just a football coach.
	Who shaped Jim's understanding of what it means to be a man?
	Yeah, I mean, you know, I know it's a cliche to say that your father is your role model, but in many ways, you know, my father and my mother were my role models, and they were both similar in a sense.
	And I know we've talked about this on the show before that, you know, I grew up in essentially in this tradition of selfless service, right?
	That the idea of having a job in which you serve others in the community is rewarding and satisfying.
	And sure, you want a paycheck and you want to be able to pay their bills, but this idea of serving others, as a lifestyle, was just something that was very powerful
	in my family, which is why they're all nurses and doctors and cops and firemen and in the
	military.
	It's just something that we do.
	And so that's essentially who my father was.
	It's who my mother was as well.
	Honestly, you talked about coaches, right?
	The one thing I did do was athletics all the way from junior high school through college.
	What was your sport?
	Wrestling, football, and I did track.
	I wasn't very good at track.
	Coaching back then was very much like now, right?
	It's excellence.
	And delivering for the team.
	So being the best person you could be, but the reason why you were being the best person you could be in that sport wasn't because you were going to be an All-American, it was because that was in the service of the team.
	Yes, something extraneous to yourself.
	You didn't get participation trophies, right?
	And it was about winning, right?
	But it was about winning as a group, as a team.
	Even in individual sports like wrestling, because you still had a team score or track, right?
	So, very much in that tradition.
	And of course, then I went to West Point, and the academy was, again, very much in that tradition.
	And then I had two very influential mentors in the military.
	And people don't understand, some people think mentor is the person that gets you a job.
	Or or the mentor is somebody that looked like talks nice to you or something and that's a mentor is somebody who sees
	something in You that maybe you don't even see in yourself
	And then they invest to make you the person best person that you can and again, it's they're mentoring you to
	deliver for others Yeah, and so I to
	Officers who I worked with work for in the military Actually, we're very tough bosses and weren't nice to me a
	lot of the times and and and really made me do some very demanding
	things but but they did it because
	they thought I could contribute to the army and they and they wanted me to be the contributor I could be and and
	I would say those people shape. It's a would you want to recognize them by name?
	Thank you.
	So, one guy still alive, Lee Baxter, who's retired general now in Oklahoma City, in Oklahoma.
	And the other guy was Dutch Schaffner, who was another three-star general.
	So we're talking about the Vietnam generation, about how young majors and captains, when
	they got their turn at the top, all they were committed to doing was not committing the
	sins of destroying the Army the way we did in the 60s and 70s.
	I have a picture.
	So I told you I worked for the Army Chief of Staff.
	I was a speechwriter.
	It was a guy named Denny Reimer.
	When I was doing his papers when he was retiring, I was going through the photos, looking for
	photos.
	And there was a photo of him in Vietnam.
	So in Arturia, they call it, it's a battalion, right?
	And then you have a lieutenant colonel runs it and then you have usually two majors, one's the executive officer and one's the operations officer and those are the three top people.
	And so it was a picture of him in Vietnam and the battalion commander in this actually had left, he had a nervous breakdown.
	Went on vacation, or leave, and never came back.
	And so, the guys basically that ran the battalion were the operations officer and the executive officer, and one of them was Denny Reimer, and the other one was this guy, Dutch Schaffner.
	So like, I mean, what are the frickin' odds, right, that these two guys would be so influential in my life?
	And then they were standing together in Vietnam, two majors, and they both became generals.
	All right, let's salute them.
	So the late Doug Schaffner and then Lee Baxter.
	We salute you for helping to make this man the man he is today.
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	So Jim, let's tease this out a little bit.
	What are the values?
	If you think back to your father, if you think back to the late General and to General Baxter, what is it?
	Put it in words.
	What are the values?
	What are the adjectives that help define what it means to be a real man?
	Well, I do think it is this sense of meeting your responsibilities, right?
	And this is the thing about manhood.
	I mean, many of the characteristics of manhood are not solely the propriety of men.
	Back in the World War II generation, women did everything in that war.
	bombers across the Atlantic. They were in combat theaters in a variety of roles, not just nurses.
	They ran American industry. I mean, you could not have powered American industry during World War II
	without women. They were everywhere in the scientific establishment. Most of, matter of fact,
	the word computer comes from rows and rows of women who did the mathematical calculations.
	Who were the computers.
	For everything from how to fire an artillery shell to the atomic bomb.
	But it's about, for me, it's always been about this sense of meeting your responsibilities.
	So, so...
	You know, we had this, you go to West Point, this has this thing, do any outer country, okay, get that, right?
	And this thing, you know, a cadet will not lie, cheat, or steal, right?
	And that was, you know, profoundly shaping for me, this notion about, you have to take responsibility for everything you do.
	The easiest thing is to just lie your way out of something, right?
	Like, I didn't do it, not my fault, right?
	And actually be denied that option, right?
	To never be able to say, well… And of course, you know, being in the military and being responsible for the lives of people, men and women, and in a sense that's a 24-hour, you know, 365 year.
	So, I do think it's, and it goes, and this why kind of this woke thing is so uncomfortable for me, because that's essentially about what do you want?
	And what's your identity?
	It's about me, me, me.
	That's right.
	And to me, that's not rewarding.
	That's actually vacuous and empty, which is, I think, why you actually see people who embrace these ideologies, they actually have higher suicide rates.
	They actually have higher rates of depression.
	Let me connect these two things together.
	So we have right now in the military, we have, you know, recruiting cartoons about privates in the army and their lesbian mothers and how it's, you know, that's her parents, her two female parents, were fighting for America at the LGBTQ marches.
	We have the Drag Queen being used actively by the U.S.
	Navy, so we can play that B-roll.
	We have now the Major, Major Rachel in the Army, an ugly man who's grown his hair, says he's a woman.
	You know, that goes with Admiral Levine as well.
	These are people who are being used for recruiting.
	It goes straight to your point.
	There's Major Rachel Jones, who's actually a guy.
	He's lying.
	He goes against the West Point Code.
	He's not a woman.
	Right.
	Well, you know, again, it's a completely different concept of the purpose of life.
	You know, there was this huge blowback against the Army when they changed their recruiting slogan to, the Army wants to join you.
	And that completely bombed.
	And it bombed for the right reasons because it's not about you.
	Obviously we all have an individual identity and we all want to be rewarded and feel like we've accomplished something and rewarded.
	But the question is how do you get there?
	And there are two ways to get there.
	Because you meet your responsibilities and you feel like you've accomplished something because you've given
	something that's valued and you're respected for that And their notion is is you have to be loved
	For something that you create and it's it's vacuous and well and something you aren't and so this so so
	You know, nobody cares who your mother's were that's not the nature of military service. Nobody cares who my parents
	were It's about the service. It's not about the identity, right?
	So that's wrong And the drag queen stuff is, we...
	We spent years purging this from the military, that sexualization, that somehow this has a place in the military, in the workplace.
	It doesn't, because we're soldiers with a job.
	And having drag queen shows is no more appropriate than in the 70s when they had strippers in the clubs.
	It's just wrong.
	How fixable is this with the right leadership?
	How long will it take?
	These are the magic words of Sub Gorka, right?
	It is all about leadership.
	You know, why did the greatest generation became great?
	Because they had leaders that led them, and trained them, and put demands on them, and Americans responded in time of crisis.
	You know, we forget that the Vietnam, the 9-11 generation went to war for 20 years in some very difficult combat zones.
	And if you want to see the greatest generation, go watch the movie about Cop Keating, where you see people fighting just as hard and tough and being just as resilient as guys in any battlefield in World War II.
	It is all about leadership.
	And so, as we were saying before, we've had generations, I think, of politicized senior leadership, and I think that has to change.
	I'm sure there are people in the Army, in the Navy and Air Force, that want to do the right thing, and if they're given the opportunity to do that, they will go back to building a military that's built on respect, that's built on selfless service, and that is not built about trying to take woke politics and make that the definition of Or any politics, not just woke politics.
	This has been a very sad week for me because you know my affiliation with Fort Bragg.
	I've been teaching every intake of Q Course junior officers and the Warrant Officers Advanced Course for more than a decade or more than that.
	And finally, finally this week, I think it's because he recently retired, I had a former cadre of the Warrant Officers school admit to me that I haven't been invited back for
	three years because of who I worked for because the leadership, the leadership at Bragg had
	political problems.
	So I was fine for eight years.
	That's just wrong.
	We're talking to Jim Carrafano.
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	You said it many, many moons ago, but would you share again, because it's clear how influential your father was on your understanding of what it means to be a man.
	Talk to us about, tell us a story about your dad's last day as a cop.
	Oh yeah, so the funny story was, one time my dad came home and said, they robbed the bank!
	And it was like right before I got there.
	I was going to cash my check.
	Oh, he was going to be a customer at the bank?
	Yeah, and I was like, oh dad, that must have been really disappointing to you.
	You could have stopped the bank robbery.
	He goes, what are you crazy?
	It's not a movie, kid!
	Exactly.
	My dad was not Dirty Harry.
	He had enough fighting in the Korean War.
	He always wanted to serve people.
	His idea of serving people wasn't pulling out his gun and having gunfights.
	So the very last day, my dad was on the job.
	He was in a patrol car and he pulled the car over, because I don't know why he pulled the guy over, broken tail lighters, who knows, right?
	And so he walks up to the car just because he's going to give the guy a summons.
	And the guy rolls down the window, pulls out a gun, puts it in my dad's face and pulls the trigger.
	Oh, he fired the gun?
	No, the gun didn't go off.
	And so my dad's like, okay, well that's probably arrestable.
	So my dad arrests him, they take him back to the precinct.
	This is before they had computers in the car and they run the thing and the guys wanted for felony murder.
	So of course my dad had no idea when he just pulled over the car.
	And that was his last day on the job.
	But wasn't that also the first day he pulled his gun?
	I do believe that was the first time.
	The first and only time?
	I do believe it's the first time he ever, actually, I know he never fired his gun on the job in 20 years, or 18 years or however long he was on the job.
	He never fired his gun, but it may have been the only time he ever pulled it out of it.
	So I told you, I know, look, I'm a big Second Amendment guy, but I've never really liked guns.
	Says a guy who was in charge of nuclear artillery.
	You know, I remember when I was a little kid, my dad came home and he had a gun.
	He said, you see that gun?
	He goes, never touch that.
	That is not a toy.
	People die when they touch these.
	And because he always had a gun in the house because he was a policeman, right?
	And so I was like, okay, I don't touch guns.
	I get that.
	So I was never, you know, and I remember once when I was working in the movie theater in the same town and the cops would come and they would escort you to do the deposit of the money.
	And we were walking down the street and the cop just, all he did was kind of flip the the little snap on his gun, right?
	And I thought, man, these guys, this is serious stuff.
	These are, you know.
	So.
	What was your dad's name?
	Charlie.
	Charlie.
	And the thing is, there was nothing in my dad, like, you know, I mean, he didn't act like Robert Mitchum or Clint Eastwood, he just acted like dad, but he did, in real life, he did all the things that I saw these guys do in the movie.
	And so when I saw people in the movie, like, you know, fighting in World War II, and they weren't like, This wasn't superheroes, right?
	These were like real people.
	And I knew that the stuff that they were actually portraying was real because my dad did stuff like that.
	Well, we salute the memory of Charlie Carafano.
	Last couple of questions.
	Where do you feel, where do you stand on the issue of the assault?
	Let's make it bigger than just manhood.
	The assault on manhood, masculinity, and the dearth of leadership.
	Are you a pessimist?
	Are you an optimist, Jim Carafano?
	Well, I'm an optimist.
	And you know, we should say this is not just an assault on manhood.
	This is also an assault on womanhood.
	Totally, totally.
	So this is about destroying The truth about men and women.
	Not just the truth about men and women, but the nobility.
	The nobility of men and women, of people who are responsible for raising children, for putting food on the table, for protecting their communities.
	But those identities have to be destroyed, because they don't fit our political ideology.
	Look, I don't think people are going to stand for this, because we've almost jumped the shark.
	Well, when you're doing this to children, you've jumped the chart.
	I mean, yeah, we've taken to the point of obscenity, right?
	So we're actually creating child abuse to children in the notion that this is something, you know... This is health.
	This is right.
	You know, and I know you don't want to talk movies, but I did go see... It's impossible not to talk movies with Jim Carrey!
	I saw the Barbie movie, and it's actually... No, it's... It could have been a Rock Hudson Doris Day comedy, right?
	Because in the end, what the film is celebrating is, there are women.
	Well, this is the funny thing.
	The big debate about Barbie is, is it woke or is it anti-woke?
	Because if it's made by woke people, which it is, they're stupid because at the end, allegedly, spoilers.
	Everything returns to wokeness, right?
	The Barbies are vain, stupid and airheads.
	And Ken has fun when he's being a guy.
	But, you know, but what Barbie actually defends is kind of a traditional version of feminism, right, which was, look, what we do as individuals ought to be just as respected as anybody, regardless of what our sex is.
	This is not an endorsement for the Barbie movie.
	He can do that on his podcast at the Heritage Foundation.
	All right.
	Very, very last question.
	It's a serious topic.
	I've seen you over the years.
	I truly very, very greatly value your friendship, Jim Carufano.
	And I've seen you kind of stretch your wings on this show over the last few years.
	And a couple of times you've got emotional and you've got incredibly powerful.
	And I want to kind of tap that inner Jim.
	God bless you for your service in and out of uniform, what you do every day, telling the truth, working with others who believe in conservative values across the globe, especially Europe.
	This is one of the hardest working guys I know, traveling the globe, connecting with, you know, patriots in other countries.
	So thank you, Jim, for everything you do.
	What is your message to those who are stuck inside a system The U.S.
	military that is being politicized.
	What do you, as somebody who's got 25 years in, who, you know, the stories I'm telling you about politics at Bragg and everything else, what do you say to those people who are still surviving inside the system and just want to do what you did?
	Well, you know, I could have gotten out in the 1970s when the military was in horrible shape.
	The reality is you never know when somebody's going to come after America.
	And if somebody's not there to defend it, it's not going to happen.
	So you can always say, well, somebody else can do this.
	So I put up with some dumb parts of the thing, because in the end, I didn't want my country to go undefended.
	So, and the other thing is, if you've been in the military 20 years, you've probably been in four different militaries.
	And hopefully the pendulum will swing back.
	I mean, I saw this incredible transformation in the army under Ronald Reagan, which I thought would never happen in my lifetime.
	And I think the culture can bounce back.
	I think we can have a thing that's to be proud of.
	You talked about recruiting.
	What keeps people in the military, it's not the pay.
	It's like they feel like they have a mission and they're contributing.
	And when they get the resources to do it and the support to do that, that's when it's really super gratifying.
	Well, we salute all the gentlemen, all the leaders that have been mentioned in the last hour here on the Manhood Hour.
	General Baxter, Doug, Charlie Carafano, and especially the man of the hour, Jim Carafano.
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