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July 24, 2023 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Dr. G's back from vacay!

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	♪♪ And this time it really is with Sebastian Gorka after a week away on vacation with my wife's family.
	It is wonderful to be back in the saddle, although I was in the saddle on vacation.
	Yeah, at a dude ranch, riding my pony, Tack.
	Such a sweetheart.
	And we did clay pigeon shooting, we cooked s'mores on the fire, sang songs.
	But it's good to be back.
	And we have so much to discuss.
	I want to say thank you to my guest hosts who performed superbly.
	Jim Hansen, Kash Patel, and Bob France in the chair for four days.
	And Mr. G, is it true that he was doing some other radio in addition to mine?
	I find that outrageous, but is it true?
	He was doing two other radio shows in addition to yours a day.
	Nine hours of radio a day?
	Yes, solo.
	That's insane!
	How was he by the third hour of my show?
	Was he still able to broadcast?
	You wouldn't have been able to tell that he did two other shows every day.
	Such an amazing professional.
	Did anything happen, Jeff, while I was away?
	Anything in the news?
	Was it like, Dr. G's not here and DC's just standing down?
	Well, another Trump indictment, but that's kind of not really news anymore, because it happens every month, about.
	Yeah, but it is because he gets more popular.
	Exactly, yeah.
	Thank you, Mr. G. I think I tweeted out yesterday, I saw the latest polls from our buddy Rich Barris with President Trump just crushing everybody else.
	I said, if he gets indicted a couple of more times, it's all going to be, you know, a 40-point lead.
	He's going to have 100% support.
	In chess, but still, it's stunning.
	They think they can stop him.
	It's the only plan they have.
	Hey Eric, did you see even Fox News had the photograph of President Biden, I can't say that, of Joe Biden in a suit wearing sneakers.
	Did you see that?
	That, I had to do a double take when I saw that.
	I'm like, that's not a Photoshop, that is 100% real.
	He's wearing a suit and sneakers.
	And not just sneakers.
	Eric, they were the slip-on kind.
	He can't even do his laces up!
	He's got slip-on sneakers!
	Do you think that'll stop him falling up the stairs of Air Force One?
	Oh, knowing him, he could trip over shoes with no laces on him.
	Yeah, he could trip up while he were lying down.
	All right, there's so much to discuss.
	Let's do a little bit of a list of the stories we want to cover today.
	Oh, we're going to do a poll on our website.
	Here's the question, because it's in the news.
	Oh my gosh, he's already done it.
	Look at that.
	I mention it, and magically it appears on the screen.
	For all of you who are listening on radio, all the millions of you, please go to our website and here's the question.
	We just thought it up, literally, what, how many minutes are we in?
	Alright, we thought it up like seven minutes ago and it's already up there.
	People are already dialing in, oh my gosh.
	833-33 Gawker, that's 833-334-6752.
	So here's the question.
	it's 833-334-6752. So here's the question. Some people are saying, close to the campaign and others,
	That President Trump shouldn't take part in the first GOP candidates debate because he's already, you know, 40 points ahead the next guy, DeSantis.
	And let them just, you know, whittle it down to fewer candidates.
	What is it now, Jeff?
	It's about, what, 13 candidates at the moment?
	Where are we at?
	I think it's 13 plus Bolton, we really don't know.
	13 plus Bolton, alright.
	So let 13 of them have a debate, and then when it's down to whatever, 5 or 6, then President Trump, who's already been President by the way, doesn't have to prove himself to anybody, then he can come in and have some, you know, think up some new nicknames and have fun.
	So here's the question, get to the point Gawker, here's the poll.
	Should President Trump take part in the first GOP debate?
	I'm just curious.
	I mean, look, keep it up on there, just leave it up there.
	I just think, you know, entertainment value...
	It's interesting.
	It's more than that.
	Remember what he did for us in 2016.
	He made politics fun again.
	So it would be nice to have him up there and just crush Chris Christie.
	To just make a laughingstock of Bolton if he ever got on the stage.
	Or who's the other guy who's pathetic?
	Oh, Asa Hutchinson, right?
	So just have real fun with them.
	Amuse us.
	Show them up for the Rhino backstabbing, Never Trump traders that they are.
	And then just do all of the debates.
	However, there's a point to be made.
	When you've been president, and perhaps one of the most successful presidents of the modern age, you really don't need to show up for the first debate with all this detritus and these never-Trumpers.
	So here's the question.
	Go to SebGorka.com right now.
	And the question is, it's very easy, yes or no, should President Trump take part in the first GOP debate?
	Yes or no?
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	I want to hear from you.
	Okay.
	The other way to get to hear from you is for you to call in.
	The number is 833-33-Gorka.
	3-3 Gorka that's 833-334-6752 and the other things to mention we are on the
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	cusp of Vivek Ramaswamy beating Ron DeSantis a man who I heard him admit
	today in an interview a podcast interview Vivek said he was asked it was
	a real hatchet job kind of ambush interview by that clown Charlamagne
	the God and he had this flunky of his you know like an attack dog you're
	asking these ad hominem questions of Vivek and he admitted during the
	interview The first time he ever voted, and he's what, in his 40s?
	Super successful guy.
	CEO, pharma company, investment company.
	First time Vivek, who wants to be president, voted was 2020.
	I find that fascinating.
	I'm going to get him on the show.
	We're going to ask him why that is and why he goes from voting for the first time three years ago to wanting to be president, because that is some life journey.
	But apparently a guy who's never been governor, never been a congressman, never been a senator, is about to eclipse Ron DeSantis and make it into the second position behind President Trump.
	Here are the figures.
	Thank you, Eric.
	This is the latest Harvard Harris poll.
	This is the Republican primary spreadsheet right now.
	President Trump is at 48%.
	48, okay.
	He's got a plus 36.
	And who's tied second?
	It's already happened.
	Tied second Vivek Ramaswamy.
	Never ever held public office.
	Voted for the first time in 2020 in his life.
	Tied with poor old Ron.
	That is stunning.
	They're tied at 12% each.
	Then it goes down to Chris Christie, Senator Scott, Pence.
	Hence, he's at 4%!
	Nikki Haley's at three.
	We're going to give you some news about Nikki Haley, who's attacking Ron DeSantis, which is fascinating.
	Asa Hutchison is at one percent.
	And then Bergham.
	Eric, what's Bergham's first name?
	I can't even remember Bergham's first name.
	That's Doug Bergham, the governor of North Dakota.
	Doug Bergham is at a, it's a very round number.
	It's the roundest number of all.
	It is zero percent.
	So that is Kaplan Strategies.
	Let me read those again.
	So you have the facts at your fingertips.
	This isn't, you know, Some right-wing strategist poll.
	Trump, President Trump, 48%.
	Next person, tied, Ramaswamy, 12% with DeSantis.
	Christie, 5%.
	Scott at 5%.
	Pence, Pence at 4%.
	Man, how you destroy a political career in just one afternoon.
	Because that's what you did, Mike.
	One afternoon.
	Nikki Haley, who likes to hang out with John Brennan, one of the key, key conspirators behind Operation Crossfire Hurricane, and then Asa Hutchinson, the clown at 1%, and Burgum at zero.
	Thank you, Eric.
	Fascinating.
	Such a load of things to talk about.
	We're going to talk about Twitter, the rebranding happening allegedly today, what's happening in Israel.
	Bibi Netanyahu had to go in for I think he had a heart attack, had some heart condition.
	He's okay.
	It's good now.
	They're protesting him on the streets because he wants to have a fair judicial system.
	And then, my gosh, the Air Force Academy has gone utterly and completely woke.
	That's just some of the items on the menu.
	We have amazing one-on-one guests for you today.
	You do not want to miss Sargon of Akkad one-on-one.
	Natalie Winters with the latest developments of the Biden corruption.
	What is it?
	Iteration 512.
	Elizabeth Schultz from the governor's office here in Virginia and so much more.
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	You should go to S-E-B-G-O-R-K-A store.com Poor Ron, so embarrassing.
	And they keep announcing reboots, like on the campaign.
	They've announced like three different reboots now.
	Um, do you...
	What do you think of that thing that Vivek hadn't voted until three years ago?
	I mean, and again, he's 37 years old, by the way, so the youngest one in the field.
	Right.
	I think it was a little weird.
	I could see him being just kind of like previously an apolitical guy, but then Of course, naturally, you want to wonder, as you said, like, how do you go from being so apolitical... To wanting to be the president.
	To run for president.
	And having never run for anything before in his life.
	Right.
	And then to be doing this well on top of all that.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	It is a little weird to me.
	Especially because he's from Ohio.
	It's a swing state.
	You know, it's not like he's from California, where he's like, well, my vote doesn't matter because I'm in California, you know, versus Ohio.
	Yeah, that is a little weird.
	It's cool that he admitted that.
	He's being honest, at least.
	You should watch the Sean Lemay interview.
	It is nuts.
	Nuts.
	Were they, like, attacking him the whole time?
	Oh, really attacking him.
	Oh, man.
	Alright, uh, play me, um, cut 7 and cut 16 again, please.
	As governor, businesses were my partners.
	If you take care of your business community, you take care of the economy.
	Small businesses are the heartbeat of America.
	And so I always knew if businesses had cash flow, they didn't go on vacation, they hired more people.
	So you want to be partners.
	Look, I totally disagreed with Disney when they went and they hit on the don't say gay bill.
	I don't think companies need to get into politics.
	I think they need to stay out of it.
	But I also don't think that governors should spend taxpayer dollars suing companies.
	Yes.
	And you want to cut 13?
	Actually, give me 9 first.
	9 all right and again the good news is all around my state I can't turn over a rock without seeing new jobs associated
	with clean aviation fuel with new types of batteries It's very exciting. What's going on right now in inventing
	a new Economy and we're doing that right Washington State and
	people are getting great jobs because of this so there's two parts to this story
	This thing is now the age of consequences the bomb has gone off
	But we do have the ability to restrain fossil fuels if we make the commitments we need to
	Thank you.
	What does that mean, the bomb has gone off?
	What does that mean?
	I don't know.
	Oh, and speaking of the store, I have the new Pink Floyd groomer shirt.
	Oh, good!
	We've got to show that.
	Want to mention that at some point?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Or give me 16.
	16, okay.
	Really think in a clear-eyed way about what a second term would look like.
	And you point to what's called the doomsday book.
	When I was at the Department of Homeland Security, one of the things we were responsible for was continuity of government.
	The most extraordinary presidential powers that could be used in the case of armed foreign invasion or nuclear attack.
	Now, I didn't find out until I was talking to former colleagues about this book that Donald Trump wasn't aware of some of those authorities, but now he is.
	And if returned to the White House, those are the types of things he wish he'd known about During the January 6th insurrection.
	Alright, 40 seconds.
	PhD.
	Oh, thank you.
	He probably does see John Krasinski's Jack Ryan as like his spirit animal or something.
	30 seconds.
	I I know Sebastian well.
	Listen to him.
	He's with us.
	Thank you, Mr. President.
	All right, you've got me in the mood, Alex, with a little bit of a level 42 of my British childhood.
	What kind of music... Did Hanson make you play some kind of awful long-haired rock music?
	Tell me what that was like.
	He likes that dark wave gothic music.
	And did he make you play it?
	He did.
	Oh, dear.
	What about Cash?
	I kind of enjoyed it, though.
	What did Cash do?
	Ash likes country music.
	I know!
	Surprisingly.
	An ice hockey player.
	It's funky.
	And then what about France?
	Did Bob France just let you do your thing?
	Yeah, he kind of let me go with the flow.
	He likes soft rock.
	He likes country.
	He likes his own song.
	He does!
	He's got his own song.
	He's a bit of a poet and a bit of a lyricist, Bob France.
	We might have to play a bit of that later.
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	All right.
	So many hearings.
	I try to keep abreast of things.
	I listen to my guest hosts a little bit.
	I'm not that much of a You know, crazy workaholic while I was away.
	But I did follow the news, of course.
	So many, so many congressional hearings.
	Our friend Emma-Jo Morris was one of them from Breitbart.
	But let's start with one that's more recent than my week away.
	This is the superintendent of the Air Force Academy, Lieutenant General Richard Clark, who, and I'm going to play the whole cut because God bless Matt Gaetz.
	So in 2010, The Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs was the first military institution to build a pagan temple.
	If you don't believe me, I don't blame you.
	I really don't blame you.
	Go online.
	And look it up.
	In 2010, they built a Wiccan temple.
	You know, like the Druids?
	Yeah, you know, the pagans?
	A Wiccan temple.
	That was 13 years ago.
	It is.
	Annapolis is pretty bad as well.
	We saw what happened at West Point with that commie in his Che Guevara t-shirt.
	So, you know, it's everywhere.
	But the Air Force Academy has totally bought into the transgender insanity.
	And Matt Gaetz isn't having it.
	And he embarrassed, absolutely justifiably, Lieutenant General Richard Clark of the Air Force Academy, Colorado Springs, cut 19.
	So you just said that your answer on why we do such this full hug of these diversity concepts is because it's all about the fighting force that we draw from, but you're literally pushing a program In the academies that says, if you're a cisgender woman, a transgender woman, a non-binary, agender, bigender, two-spirit, demigender... What's demigender?
	Sir, that's a term of the people that are eligible for that particular scholarship that is available.
	What's a demigender person?
	It's a person who looks at their gender in a different way than I do, sir.
	Well sure, that's all of these people.
	You're a cisgender man, you don't even get to apply.
	Do you know what demigender really means?
	I'm not really sure, sir.
	Right, so do you know what agender means?
	All one word, not a space gender, but agender.
	Sir, I don't.
	Right, so here we are, pushing a fellowship, calling for people that you don't even know what the words mean, and the number one group of people, the cisgender men, are excluded.
	Now, in the name of diversity, equity, and inclusion, should we be pushing programs that we can't define that exclude the largest group of service members?
	Well, sir, first, that program is not an Air Force Academy program.
	It's a program open to our entire country.
	Right, but you guys advocate for it within the academy.
	We allow our cadets to apply for it.
	Why are you allowing your cadets to apply for a program when you cannot define the basic terms of eligibility?
	Because it's an opportunity for us to develop them as warfighters, and we look for every opportunity that we can.
	But you don't even know what the words mean!
	How can you use this as a way to develop the warfighters if you don't know what it means?
	Well, some of those terms may not be applicable to us at the Air Force Academy, but some are.
	But if you don't know what they mean, it's hard to tell if they're applicable or not.
	Thirty years ago, that would have been a Monty Python skit.
	The head of some military academy talking about a program that's cisgender.
	Cisgender means a man who's a man.
	It means reality.
	That's what cisgender means.
	A man who's a man or a woman who's a woman.
	You're not allowed to apply to this fellowship program if you're a member of the US Air Force Academy and you're a male cadet who thinks they're a man.
	You're not allowed to apply.
	But if you're a demigender, you are.
	Now, what is a demigender?
	I don't know what a demigender is until I look it up.
	And it says the following.
	Demigender is an umbrella term for a non-binary gender identity that has a partial connection to a certain identity.
	Clear enough for you?
	You got it?
	You got it?
	It means that if you're a demi-girl, you feel a little bit like a female.
	If you're a demi-boy, you feel a little bit like a boy.
	No, if you use the phrase demigender, it means you have a mental condition, and you shouldn't be at the Air Force Academy, let alone flying a 40 million dollar jet.
	Top Gun doesn't need people with mental conditions.
	And God bless the general who said, uh, I don't know, and it's not what I think.
	You know, there are people like that at our academy.
	Well, there shouldn't be.
	They should be frog-marched out of the Air Force Academy before sunset because they have mental problems.
	We should pray for them and get them psychiatric assistance from a psychiatrist who isn't woke, who doesn't believe that a man can be a little bit of man and a woman can be a little bit of woman.
	Two-spirit?
	That's a two-spirit!
	I don't even know what two-spirit is!
	Except it means you're insane.
	You have a mental condition.
	And you shouldn't be near any kind of weapon.
	Let alone a jet fighter.
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	Yeah...
	Chris, and for that monologue.
	What was the monologue about?
	You talked about the debates in Vivek versus DeSantis.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Should President Trump debate the other GOP candidates?
	And then, for our buddy, it's a total war.
	Total war.
	Play me cut 17 again.
	17.
	When it comes to transgender care in your state, because I know your administration
	has sued three New Jersey school districts for adopting policies to tell parents if their children are showing
	signs of changing their gender identity.
	identity.
	Why is Mr. Christie wrong when he says parents are the ones who know best here?
	And they should be involved.
	That's incredible.
	You're a big fan of his, right, Jeff?
	Yeah, he's a great governor.
	Better than Christie?
	No, just a little bit better.
	we took these actions because it's the right thing to do to protect these precious young people.
	That's incredible. You're a big fan of his right, Jeff?
	Yeah, he's a great governor.
	Better than Christie? No, just a little bit better. Give me uh, give me 18. 18.
	Thousands of Israeli protesters braving the summer heat, gathering in front of the Israeli parliament
	in a last-ditch effort to try to stop this legislation.
	Earlier on today we saw them blocking roads, Israeli police using water cannon to try to
	dislodge them. A number of arrests were made, but Jonathan, this is really the last roll of the
	dice for this protest movement that has been so sustained for seven months, leading to what many think
	is the biggest political crisis in Israel's history.
	Israel.
	And then give me, um, 15. 15.
	This week, there was also a lot of news on the legal front as it relates to the former president.
	And the Washington Post published a piece that really stuck out to me about how intertwined Donald Trump's campaign has become with his legal defense.
	According to the piece, just over half of the money he raised last quarter went to an affiliated PAC that is footing his legal bills.
	Your Republican colleagues continue to support him, of course.
	Is this campaign becoming increasingly about keeping him out of prison?
	And how is that even allowed for him to use so much of that money for his own legal defense?
	Alright, good.
	I might use that one.
	Come in with the Israeli one.
	Come in with cut 18.
	And then I'll tee up that... Socky one.
	15, yeah.
	My pillow.
	Mm-hmm.
	I'm gonna go get a drink.
	Okay.
	Mm-hmm.
	Thousands of Israeli protesters braving the summer heat, gathering in front of the Israeli parliament in a last-ditch effort to try to stop this legislation.
	Earlier on today, we saw them blocking roads.
	Israeli police using water cannons to try to dislodge them.
	A number of arrests were made.
	But, Jonathan, this is really the last roll of the dice for this protest movement that has been so sustained for seven months, leading to what many think is The biggest political crisis in Israel's history.
	The biggest crisis in Israel's history.
	I guess being surrounded by the Arabs when they tried to destroy them multiple times after they were re-established in 1948.
	That's not a big crisis, right?
	I mean, having extremists try to push you into the sea.
	No, no, no, no, no, no.
	That's not a... Why is MSNBC not telling you what it's actually about?
	Why is there reform of the judicial system?
	Well, simply put, the reasonable clause that was brought by a prior administration allows the Supreme Court to block government appointments.
	Why would you want the Supreme... Unless there's a certain political identity to the Supreme Court, why would you want them to block the executive?
	That seems a little strange.
	Surely the Knesset can vote, the Parliament can vote, like we do here.
	But you won't get that on MSNBC.
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	All right, we've got calls coming in.
	First person up, John in New Jersey, waiting very patiently.
	Line one.
	Welcome, John.
	Happy Monday.
	Dr. G, welcome back from vacation.
	Thank you.
	It's good to be back.
	In your absence, I received the signed copy of War for America's Soul.
	My suggestion for you, and you should be really proud of yourself, use that photo on the cover of that book.
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	I thought of that because we have a massive poster size version of the cover of my second book, Why We Fight, actually as you enter our studio.
	And yeah, I think you're right.
	I can pick any one of those book covers for the before photograph.
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	I need to write another book and to have the post photograph.
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	We have the Jen Psaki show on MSNBC, who You know, like a broken clock, twice a day will tell the right time.
	And she kind of understands what President Trump is facing.
	I'm not sure she understood what she was letting out of the bag.
	But former White House Press Secretary, the woman with the strange hair color, Jen Psaki, cut 15, explains it all.
	This week, there was also a lot of news on the legal front as it relates to the former president.
	And the Washington Post published a piece that really stuck out to me about how intertwined Donald Trump's campaign has become with his legal defense.
	According to the piece, just over half of the money he raised last quarter went to an affiliated PAC that is footing his legal bills.
	Your Republican colleagues continue to support him, of course.
	Is this campaign becoming increasingly about keeping him out of prison?
	And how is that even allowed for him to use so much of that money for his own legal defense?
	Is this campaign about keeping President Trump out of prison?
	That's a very interesting question.
	Why would it be?
	Why would it be about that?
	Well, because you and your colleagues Want to put him in prison so he can't be the candidate.
	Thank you, Jen Psaki.
	You know that the decrepit, mentally incompetent individual in the White House cannot legally win.
	There's no COVID to help you, under the cover of night, illegally ballot harvest, use mules, otherwise steal the election like Democrats have been across Democrat cities for the last 70 years since Joe Kennedy bought that election for his dear old JFK Jr.
	No.
	No.
	So you want to put him in prison?
	Thank you for telling us the truth.
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	That's what the Democrat Party wants.
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	And at the same time, on a second path, to destroy who they believe would be the nominee, or at least potentially, Donald Trump.
	They have the D.A.
	in Manhattan working on it, the D.A.
	in Atlanta working on it, the Attorney General in New York working on it.
	They had the two grand juries in Washington, D.C.
	They're looking at January 6th.
	Pile it on, pile it on, pile it on.
	All we need is one!
	Out of hundreds of charges, all we need is one!
	One to stick in front of some Democrat jury and Judge Cannon.
	In Florida, you let the country down.
	This trial should have been moved till after the election.
	You just gave your imprimatur and the imprimatur of the federal judiciary
	to the interference in this election.
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	All right, let's talk to another good guy.
	My first guest since I've been back in the studio.
	He is a man who I just can't keep up with him.
	Why?
	Because he is a machine.
	He's actually the head of a brand new news empire that gives you the truth.
	It's called Just The News.
	John Solomon, how are you?
	I am well.
	Welcome back.
	We missed you last week.
	Oh, it was tough.
	I tell you, I was so... I used to listen in to my guest hosts for at least half an hour.
	That's how sad I was on the app because I just wanted to, you know, not just check on how they're doing, but stay in the bloodstream like you do.
	So much to discuss.
	You interviewed a very special guest.
	For your podcast, we'll talk about that in a second, but first things first, you sent me this morning a very interesting story you wrote up at Just the News.
	In Major Schiff, RFK Jr.
	calls for corruption investigation of Joe Biden.
	Now, this is, you know, for somebody who is from the most famous Democrat family of the modern age, this could be groundbreaking, could it not?
	Listen, it opens the door for other Democrats who probably have the same questions as Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
	to maybe say out loud, hey, we're disturbed by what Joe Biden is alleged to have done.
	And also the evidence that is piling up that Joe Biden didn't tell us the truth in October, November, December 2020 when he was running for president and, of course, doing his final job interviews with the American people.
	Yeah, Robert Kennedy on Mario Bartiromi yesterday said, I think it's time for a full-scale investigation.
	He said the tipping point for him was that FT 1023 FBI informant report, where the informant lays out in excruciating detail what he heard from Burisma, its owner Mikola Zolchevsky, and other officials about how the bribery scheme, alleged bribery scheme, went down.
	Robert Kennedy said it's serious enough now, we got to look at it and clear it up one way or the other.
	That gives license now to other Democrats, other moderates, to say, you know what?
	I agree.
	You know who I'd keep an eye on next?
	See if Joe Manchin jumps on that bandwagon.
	Yeah, yeah, it does.
	It provides a bit of cover for other Democrats to say, OK, well, maybe we should look into it.
	How do you respond to those who say, you know, who take the White House talking points as registered Democrats, as representatives, as senators, and say, There is no evidence.
	There's never been any evidence of any crime committed.
	Even if Hunter Biden or Frank or Jim or anybody else gets tens of millions of dollars, it is not a crime.
	As somebody who's investigated corruption for decades, what's your response, John?
	Well, that's true at this point.
	We don't have any evidence that Joe Biden himself is involved in a crime, with the exception of the FD 1023 form.
	But what we do have is evidence of a significant amount of dishonesty, an effort to truly mislead the American people.
	And that leads to the question, Why would you do it?
	What do we know?
	He said, my family never got money from China.
	They sure as heck didn't.
	He said, Joe Biden said, I never met with any of my business partners.
	He sure as heck did.
	In fact, a family friend, Bob Walker, just out at the vice president himself saying, I was at a meeting where Joe Biden met with the Chinese business partners of Hunter Biden.
	Joe Biden called the laptop disinformation.
	It wasn't, and anyone who was briefed at the time knew it wasn't.
	So why all the lying if Joe Biden himself has nothing to hide about?
	You can also go on and say, he also said many times my son did nothing wrong.
	Well now his son wants to plead guilty to tax evasion, a willful tax evasion by the way.
	Joe Biden has been hiding the truth and the question is, is there something more sinister?
	The 1023 reform lays the predicate for what that may be, but we got to get the facts.
	Let's give him the benefit of the doubt.
	Let's see if the facts are there.
	The one thing he can't do anymore is fake the American people.
	There is a roadmap and we have to follow it and find out if those allegations are true.
	Before I went on vacation, we had Joseph Ziegler, the formerly anonymous senior IRS agent who was in charge of the Hunter Biden investigation, testify on Capitol Hill.
	You, you told me in the break, have just interviewed him for your podcast.
	Can't wait to listen to the whole thing.
	Give us your take first, not on what he said, but with your seasoned journalistic skill set.
	Talk to us about how he came across for you in testimony on your podcast.
	Talk to us about how reliable a source you think Mr. Ziegler could be.
	He is literally a modern-day 21st century Joe Fragi, Sergeant Joe Fragi from Dragnet.
	Very factual, doesn't stray, doesn't offer opinions, wants to stick to the facts, but he has some really compelling facts.
	And beyond the political inference, which you've now heard plenty about, He said, listen, the best case about proving that Hunter Biden cheated on his taxes is you just compare what he claimed he did in LA in his book with what he charged as his tax deductions on his tax returns.
	The book literally belies all of the claims on his tax return is one of the best pieces of evidence.
	So that's something I've never heard before.
	But you're right.
	You start comparing the book.
	He said, listen, there's no doubt that Joe Biden had his name on a hotel room that his son paid for.
	We weren't allowed to look at that further.
	But that's the question.
	And people are saying Joe Biden had nothing to do.
	What's his son paying a hotel room for him?
	He said that the tax evasion went all the way back to the early 2000s, over and over again, even when people like Eric Schwerer, Hunter's business partner, tried to set up mechanisms that would Forced him to comply with the tax law.
	He still evaded taxes.
	A two-decade scheme, according to Joseph Ziegler.
	And then also, he talked very compellingly of the price he's paid in his career since he came forward to blow the whistle.
	The ostracization, the sidelining on all things.
	He said, Gary and I are alone on an island right now because of what my bosses have done.
	And then he went on to say, but there are hundreds of rank and file law enforcement that are cheering him on,
	sending them well wishes and saying we're with you in the trenches.
	Well he got him first.
	You've got to tune in, listen to the podcast today.
	Also the show is Just The News, not noise.
	Follow him at Jay Solomon Reports.
	I'm going to ask you for that contact detail so we can get Mr. Ziegler on our show as well.
	God bless you.
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	opens the door for other Democrats against Biden.
	Who's the guy?
	Oh, no, sorry.
	Jeff's talking.
	Okay, so we played Israel.
	We played Gates.
	What even was the bill that they were protesting in Israel?
	I missed that.
	So there was a legislation that is called the Reasonableness Clause that allowed the Supreme Court to just say, we don't think that person you want in the government is a reasonable choice and we're going to block it.
	The Supreme Court could just shut down an appointment.
	And BB said, no, that's not separation of powers, right?
	If you want to vote on it, sure, but not the Supreme Court.
	Because I saw them waving a bunch of, like, pride flags, too, so I thought maybe it was, like, a gay bill or something.
	No.
	They're all leftists.
	Yeah.
	Alright.
	Who's the guy who keeps dropping off, Geoff?
	Who's that loser?
	Says the same one that's been calling the last month or so.
	Really?
	I guess, yeah.
	Sad case.
	Alright.
	Sad 30 seconds.
	I'm so ronery.
	Shit.
	I'm so ronery.
	I'm so ronery.
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	It was pretty good.
	Pretty James Bond-ish in that motorbike jump.
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	If you're cis, I want you to message the trans person in your life and ask them what is one thing that you can do to lighten their load this week.
	Whether that be grocery shopping, folding laundry, doing dishes.
	Ask the trans people in your life if there's a task or something that you can offer them.
	to help with the burden that we're carrying because we're having to deal with all of this stuff right now while having to deal with all of the life stuff that we regularly deal with.
	And the regular life stuff that we deal with is life stuff and then there's transphobia and living as a trans person in the world and then there's what's going on right now which is all of that combined.
	And then send that trans person five dollars so they can get themselves a treat.
	Is that what it's all about?
	Is it just a big grift?
	And we finally... God bless libs of TikTok.
	That is a... Well, Eric, what was that?
	Was that like a man with a penis who grew his hair long pretending to be a girl or what?
	Which way around was that?
	I'm confused.
	And by the way, let's get credit where credit is due.
	I completely... I said, play that cut Six seconds before we went live, which of course is an insane trans lunacy thing.
	And Alex, not only did Eric get the cut correct five seconds later, Alex had, I presume, deliberately chosen the ba-do-ba-do muppet tune.
	Is that correct, Alex?
	Did you deliberately do that?
	Yes, sir.
	I had to do it.
	But how did you have the time to do that?
	I'm built like that.
	Are you and Eric just amazing?
	I'd say yeah.
	Is this the best team in radio?
	Don't ask Jeff because it'll go to his ego.
	John, John doesn't have his headset on.
	Let's just ask.
	Do you have your headset on?
	John, is this a good team?
	What do you think?
	I mean, I know you took a couple of days off.
	Thumbs up doesn't work very well on radio, so I'm gonna ask you to put your headset on.
	What kind of team do we have here?
	Best team in radio, man.
	Come on.
	Best team in radio!
	I think that's Guy.
	There's only one person I haven't asked who's not Jeff.
	What do you think of this team, Guy?
	Yes, sir.
	We have the best team in the world.
	I just want to know why does Dan Bongina also have somebody on his team whose name is Guy but it's pronounced Gee.
	I think it's a little bit freaky that two of the best shows on the known universe of radio have two guys called Gee and it's pronounced Gee.
	I don't know.
	Jeff, do you have any comment to make or are you just satisfied that I'm back?
	I'm good.
	That is, that is complete Mr. G. That is the... Alright, you get the prize.
	You get the prize.
	Okay, um, well done guys for me being the most difficult guy out there dropping clips six seconds before we go on and then picking the right music.
	However, let's go back to Eric.
	Do you think, do you think, God bless Libs or TikTok, do you think that clip has just identified the truth about the trans stuff that um just help me out with my laundry and then send me five bucks for a latte.
	Do you think that's what it's all about?
	I think at the end of the day you know as they say follow the money right?
	I would not be surprised anymore and you see it as a trend more and more people suddenly identifying as trans saying hey maybe I need some money for my you know mental health bills or whatever it is.
	I don't want to do my laundry therefore I'm going to call myself Samantha Yeah, we might be getting to the root of the issue, but I'm not going to be wearing a skirt.
	By the way, I have to say, I have my, I did this thing, what do they call it?
	The genetic testing stuff.
	I found out I'm 4% Scottish, therefore a kilt may be in order.
	My wife thinks it's an awful idea, but I've got pretty attractive knees, so I might, they're a bit hairy, but it's okay because I'm a man, but a kilt may be in my future.
	I'm just warning the world.
	Four percent Scottish is enough for me.
	All right, let's get back to work.
	Let's do some serious business.
	Let's, um, quote, let's play a little cut for you.
	No manamana, no Muppet music here, because he is one of the most strategic minds alive today in America, if not the world.
	He is the former Speaker of the House.
	He is, of course, Newt Gingrich.
	And, um, man, he's just telling it like it is.
	Cut five.
	Look, I mean, every week we get more information.
	Every week the information corroborates what we've already suspected.
	What this says to me is that it's very possible that there was a direct payment To the then Vice President of the United States, it's certainly even more likely that there were payments that were funneled through Hunter to Joe Biden, and the evidence just keeps mounting up every single week.
	At some point, the dam is going to break, and even the New York Times and the Washington Post are going to recognize that we have a huge problem on our hands.
	We may have a criminal family sitting in the White House That took money from foreigners in Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Romania, Russia and China.
	That cut is what 56 seconds long.
	It tells you everything you need to know.
	The evidence is mounting.
	We have a criminal organization in the White House and the president is a member of that organization.
	And you know, the shocking thing is, it's what 2023 right now.
	None of this is new.
	None of this should surprise anyone.
	It's not even a function of him becoming president.
	It's been going on for decades.
	Listen to Peter Schweitzer, one of the most honest men of integrity, doing investigative research on corruption on both sides of the aisle.
	He has gone after Republicans and Democrats.
	And he's revealing when he first heard about Biden corruption from within the FBI.
	Cut six.
	We did have contact, the FBI contacted us, people from the public corruption section.
	And by the way, these are very, very good FBI agents.
	But, as is now becoming clear, that investigation was stifled at senior level.
	So, there was interest by FBI in looking into these allegations, but it was stifled.
	And we need to remember, Mark, look, we've had these courageous IRS whistleblowers that talk about how they were stifled.
	They were muzzled.
	They were prevented from looking into the tax evasion charges.
	We've got to assume the same thing happened on every other aspect of investigating the Bidens, whether it's federal violations, public corruption.
	None of this is new.
	And what's happening right now?
	They want to prevent him from actually running.
	And so what are they doing?
	Indictment after indictment after indictment.
	I think at the weekend it was, I retweeted it.
	We have now the timeline.
	The judge has been pretty tough with regards to certain requests from the DOJ.
	However, Mark Levin has a certain take, and as former Chief of Staff in the Department of Justice under Reagan, let's listen to Mark Levin's interpretation of recent events.
	Cut 14.
	The whole purpose of what's going on here is to interfere with the election, to protect Biden from scrutiny, criminal investigation, To protect him.
	To get him re-elected.
	That's what the Democrat Party wants.
	That's why they trashed Robert Kennedy Jr.
	That's what they want.
	And at the same time, on a second path, to destroy who they believe would be the nominee, or at least potentially, Donald Trump.
	They have the D.A.
	in Manhattan working on it, the D.A.
	in Atlanta working on it, the Attorney General in New York working on it.
	They had the two grand juries in Washington, D.C.
	They're looking at January 6th.
	Pile it on, pile it on, pile it on.
	All we need is one!
	Out of hundreds of charges, all we need is one!
	One to stick in front of some Democrat jury and Judge Cannon.
	In Florida, you let the country down.
	This trial should have been moved till after the election.
	You just gave your imprimatur and the imprimatur of the federal judiciary to the interference in this election.
	My read was that pushing it out so far was a good thing, but Mark's point is it's still in the election cycle.
	Tell me what you think.
	The number is 833-33 Gawker 833-334-6752.
	Let's squeeze in a quick call.
	We've got like 90 seconds, but she's a good friend of the show.
	Let's go to Judy in Brooklyn.
	Hey, Judy!
	Hi, welcome back.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Did you miss me, Judy?
	Hello?
	Did you miss me, Judy?
	Hello?
	Can you hear me, Judy?
	What's up?
	Yes.
	Hello.
	You know what?
	I'll just go straight.
	Hello.
	Can you hear me?
	I can hear you.
	Just talk.
	Talk away.
	Okay.
	Listen.
	Control the media.
	Control the mind.
	Dr. Gorka, who's controlling this media?
	Because this media is suppressing everything.
	You know, there's, you know, nothing.
	It's just no one's getting, you know, the right, the public's not getting information.
	The whistleblowers, they testified, and this Devin Arch is going to testify, they're threatening him.
	And this Gal Luft, who had no reason to come forward, like, in 2019, and they're making him into a boogeyman now, whatever.
	Who's controlling the media?
	Control the mind.
	Who is controlling this media?
	Who?
	Well, I think we know the answer to that question.
	That's why they have to destroy him, right?
	That's why the media hates this man.
	And as, I think, was it Mark Levin said it in that cut?
	Or whether it was Newt?
	They run together now.
	That's why the establishment media has to take out RFK Jr.
	as well.
	I mean, why?
	Because It is a uniparty.
	Bannon popularized this, but he's absolutely right.
	Thank you, Judy, for calling in.
	We missed you as well.
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	I finally did watch Tango & Cash for the first time the other day.
	And... I liked it!
	I'm generally surprised people hated it.
	Like, critics at the time said it was awful.
	I'm like, no, this is genuinely... You can't go wrong when you have two guys like that in the same movie together.
	It is cheesy, though.
	Although, I mean, the climax is a little underwhelming, I think.
	Like... It is cheesy, though.
	Jack Palance just watching them blow stuff up on a screen, not doing anything intimidating, but yeah.
	PhD.
	Thank you.
	Oh, play me Cup 13, please. 13.
	I mean, I'm a little frustrated at this point in time that, as I said a moment ago, nobody's really getting traction.
	So Trump is at 50% in most polls and most of the other folks, and I think there are 12 candidates.
	Six of them are my former colleagues as governors.
	I know most of the candidates running, and I think maybe seven or eight of them are really capable, good candidates, but they're not getting much attention.
	And I'm hoping that someone will rise up and become a candidate that I can get excited about and get behind.
	Somebody that maybe has a more hopeful, positive... All right, and she's on the line.
	You want the mics on?
	That has to be the most... I can leave the mics hot.
	That has to be the most pathetic thing I've seen in a long time.
	How are you doing, Natalie?
	Hi!
	How are you?
	Good, good, good, good.
	You were in Bedminster last week, right?
	I was!
	It was wonderful.
	Did you have fun?
	I did.
	Trump gave me a shout out.
	I know that's embarrassing.
	I know!
	Oh my gosh!
	David, that was really cool!
	Yeah.
	And it was so moving to be with all the Sound of Freedom people too.
	It was just a good, a good vibe.
	Jeff, can you, can you dig up that shout out for the next segment with Natalie?
	The second one.
	Yeah.
	When was it?
	Bedminster last week.
	It's on my Twitter.
	Yeah, it's on her Twitter.
	Okay.
	And then I'm going to send you Eric some photographs.
	Okay.
	From Bedminster.
	That are cool.
	Oh, and I'm going to use a photograph of me at the dude ranch.
	Have you got it?
	Oh, the family?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I have that.
	Okay, good.
	I like that your son is the tallest one.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	All right.
	Where is it?
	And you were sitting outside for the screening, right?
	Yeah, we were all outside.
	Steve and I did a three-hour broadcast.
	Wow.
	Inside.
	And Steve was late, so I had to do the first hour by myself.
	Steve Bannon was late?
	No!
	I know!
	Shocking.
	Alright.
	I'm sending you a couple of things, Eric, and I'm still looking for the Bedminster photograph.
	Alright.
	You said you'll use the family one first?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And then I'll use the The Black Canyon.
	Okay.
	Yeah, getting these pictures.
	50 seconds. Come in with cut 12.
	We'll come in with 12.
	Alrighty.
	Oh, I found it.
	Here we go.
	Here we go.
	Still putting these together.
	It's going to take a little...
	a little...
	Thanks for watching.
	Bye.
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	He will soon not be number two.
	Looks like it won't happen much longer.
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	Yeah, I survived.
	Everybody had to wear western gear.
	It was fun.
	I did the whole cowboy thing.
	But I had a cigar or two as well because, you know, when you're outside in Colorado, you gotta have a cigar or two as well.
	And then I went to something called the Black Canyon, which was absolutely stupendous.
	Thank you to our guide, although he had blue hair and didn't think much of the Former incumbent of the White House.
	I didn't let our politics divide us, because we were there to celebrate God's incredible nature all around us.
	But now, we've got to get down to business!
	The business of... Well, how is a civilization measured?
	It's measured by how it protects the most vulnerable, the aged, the unborn, and children.
	And Sound of Freedom... Wow.
	What a film.
	I was honored to see it with the star Jim Caviezel three years ago during COVID after they decided at Disney not to release it.
	Finally, Angel Studios stepped up to the plate and it was released and it has made more than a hundred million dollars in just the last 14 days.
	And somebody got to see it with somebody very special in a place called Bedminster, and she's our very next guest.
	She's the co-host of The War Room with my former colleague in the White House, my boss Steve Bannon, Natalie Winters.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Hi, thank you so much for having me back.
	So you were at Bedminster with, what is this, you know, the creme de la creme of the MAGA world, and what did you get to do there?
	I think so.
	It really was a wonderful day.
	I've been fortunate to go to a lot of these sort of Trump world events.
	But this one, there is just something uniquely special about it.
	And I think it's like you said, the reason why we were all brought together.
	Yes, it's because of such a horrible atrocity that's going on in this country, the sex trafficking of children, and of course, adults, too.
	But I really left that day with, I think, a good feeling.
	In other words, We had compiled, really, everyone who's going to lead the charge from 2020 to 2025 onward to actually take on this horrible evil.
	Jim Caviezel was there, Tim Ballard, Eduardo Verastegui, everyone from Angel Studios, of course, Donald J. Trump, his family members, even Ivanka and Jared, and of course, a lot of MAGA world influencer types, my old boss, Raheem Kassam was there.
	You were greatly missed, Dr. Gorka.
	I thought I was gonna see you, but it seems like you were having fun out West.
	Well, there are some great photographs and I think President Trump gave you a shout out but he sat in the front row for the whole two hours of the movie.
	There you have him next to Jim and you can see Carrie Laker in the background.
	Were you surprised that President Trump sat there for the whole two hours and watched the whole film with you guys?
	His eyes were glued to the screen and it wasn't just that he was sitting there watching the film and of course the significance of having that screening at Bedminster.
	But he really is a powerhouse.
	I mean, not only did he come out around 7, you know, said hi to everyone, talked with
	the members of the club, then sits for the screening of the film.
	He met with Steve, too.
	But then after the film, he goes and records what was upwards of an hour-long, I think,
	podcast interview for Tim Ballard's show.
	So this man, I mean, I know I'm young.
	He's a lot older than me, but I was tired.
	I was gassed out.
	I fell asleep on the drive home back to D.C.
	He managed to keep going.
	So a testament both to his fortitude, really his strength, but also his ability to just get, I think, some of the brightest minds in the room, a la, you know, Eduardo and Jim and Tim all together to really talk about how to combat child sex trafficking.
	Yes, as I said when I worked for him in the White House, he was more than 20 years my senior,
	but you know, I couldn't keep up with him. If I had a quarter of the energy, I'd be a happy,
	happy man. He is truly a force of nature. Let's talk about the broader context, not just the movie
	and the scourge of child trafficking, which now the estimates are there are more slaves
	in the world today than there were during the Civil War.
	Yes, more slaves, upwards of 50 million people, many of them minors, children being trafficked for the use of sexual exploitation by perverts, by diabolical forces.
	You broke a story recently.
	Tell us about the strange goings-on at the Department of Justice here in America.
	It's really, really bizarre.
	And I just released kind of the second angle of the story today.
	But basically, the Department of Justice, of course, has a website where they list what the subject areas, the areas of focus and concern are for its child exploitation branch.
	And really, really, really curious, as Steve and I always say, you know, make it make sense.
	And I think this is one of those stories that it's really, really hard to.
	But in May of this year, Someone at the Department of Justice, some rogue apparatchik, or frankly, I think it just reflects the systemic culture within the Biden regime, actually revised several webpages.
	One of them used to list all the areas of concern for human trafficking, among which were international sex trafficking of minors, domestic sex trafficking of minors, and child prostitution.
	They entirely erased those from the website, basically leaving just a skeleton of what the page used to be.
	And the article that I just released today had to do with the webpage that was basically titled,
	A Citizen's Guide to US Federal Law on Child Sex Trafficking.
	And they deleted, they basically halved the page in terms of the content, deleting paragraphs
	about the international basically importing of children for this horrible slave trade.
	But they also deleted virtually all except one of the criminal statutes that apply
	to people who are engaged in this horrendous act.
	So it really is curious that they would be going out of their way, like I said, in May of this year, to be erasing information, whether to educate the people or to help prevent these crimes, that explicitly has to do, again, not my words, not paraphrasing, direct quote, the international sex trafficking of minors.
	All right, we're going to dive deeper into this because this is very, very disturbing.
	Of course, Natalie is breaking the story.
	Follow her right now at Natalie G. Winters and also listen to her at warroom.org.
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	11... Well, we make the polling requirement very easily, Dan.
	I'm very humbled at the support around the country, which is one of the criteria.
	But yeah, having 40,000 individual donors, we're literally working around the clock.
	Got about a month to go.
	I'm confident that we'll be there.
	People every day are going to MikePence2024.com and donating even a dollar to get us on the stage.
	That is so embarrassing!
	It's pretty bad.
	Alright, I'm going to tee up cut 16 with Natalie.
	16, and I have the cut of her shout-out.
	Oh, you do?
	Play it, play it, play it.
	14 seconds, playback one, go.
	Natalie Winters, War Room.
	Is Natalie doing a great job?
	I think so, right?
	And I see back there, I see Susan.
	Alright, I've come in with pens, I'll do my pillow, I'll tee up the shout-out, and then I'll later tee up cut 16.
	Come in with cut 11, do pillow, you'll tee up the shout-out, and then you'll tee up 16.
	Okay.
	Oh, hang on!
	Do you have my shout-out?
	From when I was in Bedminster last month?
	Oh, uh, I don't... I'm not here immediately.
	Did you want that?
	I think that could be fun.
	I think Geoff can hear us over there.
	Are you trying to one-up me?
	No, I want to say who are the two people who get shoutouts at Bed... Who are the two people on planet Earth who get shoutouts?
	You.
	There you go.
	And me.
	There you go.
	Yeah, I think Geoff can hear us.
	He's probably on the case now.
	Two minutes.
	Jeff is on the case.
	Uh, play cut 17.
	17.
	When it comes to transgender care in your state, because I know your administration has sued three New Jersey school districts for adopting policies to tell parents if their children are showing signs of changing their gender identity.
	Why is Mr. Christie wrong when he says parents are the ones who know best here?
	And they should be involved.
	Let me say unequivocally, I will not be going to chrischristie.com.
	Listen, we took these actions because it's the right thing to do to protect these precious young people.
	Actually, I'm going to use that before I use Taylor.
	Okay, so still coming with 11.
	Pillow, shout out, and then that.
	But I'll give you the number, 17.
	17, okay, got it.
	17. Okay, got it.
	Huh, one minute.
	It's made over 100 million by the way. Sound of freedom.
	I know, I know, in two weeks it's nuts.
	It passed 100 million when the day that Trump screened it.
	Right.
	And it's domestic release only, it hasn't even been released internationally.
	The fascinating thing is the Hispanic response.
	30 seconds.
	Coming in with 11, no liner.
	I'm going to go ahead and get started.
	Well, we make the polling requirement very easily, Dan.
	I'm very humbled at the support around the country, which is one of the criteria.
	But yeah, having 40,000 individual donors, we're literally working around the clock.
	Got about a month to go.
	I'm confident that we'll be there.
	People every day are going to MikePence2024.com and donating even a dollar to get us on the stage.
	Truly pathetic in the original sense of the word.
	He's begging for donations.
	You were the vice president and then you destroy your career on January the 6th by not doing your constitutional duty just to send those votes back for recertification in those states where the vote tally was reversed over the course of the night.
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	She was at Bedminster.
	I got a shout out when I was there the day he was arraigned in Miami.
	And who got a shout out at Bedminster for the screening of The Sound of Freedom?
	I think we've got the video.
	Let's play it.
	Natalie Winters War Room.
	Steve, is Natalie doing a great job?
	I think so, right?
	And I see back there, uh, I see Susan.
	And you're certainly Wally Pip.
	That's right, Wally Pip.
	That'll never happen to you.
	So I don't get it.
	What does that mean that I get a shout out and you get a shout out?
	What does that mean, Natalie?
	What does that mean?
	I think it means that Donald Trump watches America First with Sebastian Gorka in the War Room.
	That would be my watchlist.
	And he uses promo code!
	I think he knows the right promo code, but I think the right investigative journalistic deduction is that there are two shows President Trump loves, and it's America First and then the War Room.
	You're absolutely right.
	She is the executive director and co-host, follow her right now, Natalie G. Winters of warroom.org.
	All right, let's continue the subject of the DOJ deleting information about child trafficking on their website.
	Maybe these things are connected.
	We have the New Jersey governor, Phil Murphy, who... Maybe you can explain this to me.
	Why would you want parents not to know about the grooming of their children?
	He's being asked by Margaret Brennan.
	Cut 17.
	Play cut.
	When it comes to transgender care in your state, because I know your administration has sued three New Jersey school districts for adopting policies to tell parents if their children are showing signs of changing their gender identity.
	Why is Mr. Christie wrong when he says parents are the ones who know best here?
	And they should be involved.
	Let me say unequivocally, I will not be going to chrischristie.com.
	Listen, we took these actions because it's the right thing to do to protect these precious young people.
	So, by the way, for those who are listening on radio, Murphy is sitting there in a crappy cheap tweed jacket in July, and you never wear two lapel pins, okay dude, number one.
	Learn, you don't wear a lapel pin on the left and the right.
	Choose a side, it should be the left, but hey.
	And on one side, he's got the American flag and the New Jersey state flag.
	And on the other side, of course, what has he got?
	The American flag and the Ukrainian flag.
	Okay.
	I just had to make that comment.
	I just had to make that comment.
	But to say, Natalie, that you're protecting the children by keeping it secret if they quote-unquote want to change their gender, none of this can be an accident, Natalie.
	No, not at all.
	And I have to say, I do agree with his first sentiment.
	I too will not be going to chrischristie.com, but my disagreement starts then.
	But I think that the fundamental thing going on here is really just the subversion of the innocence of children.
	And I think when you logically play that out, the final step that you get to is the grooming of children, frankly, as
	pedophilia, as child sex trafficking.
	But when you start it, I think, in the smaller stages, sort of this broader, just far-left
	campaign that really is subverting gender and traditional gender roles, but particularly,
	I think, their incursion into these classrooms has to do with just, frankly, messing up children
	and just having them question everything about themselves.
	I'm young enough that, you know, I went to school when they were still kind of injecting a lot of these lessons in the classroom.
	And the primary takeaway, at least from the children's perspective, it wasn't ever clarity or like, oh, I'm so misunderstood.
	Now I get what's going on.
	It was just more confusion.
	And even I grew up in Los Angeles.
	When I was in high school, I had friends These will be the key people, the detransitioners.
	who were transgender and now they've begun the long arduous process of
	detransitioning. But I really think it is just about subversion.
	These will be the key people, the detransitioners. Follow this lady, she's breaking news every day,
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	The Department of Justice, the Department of Justice, on the side of the traffickers, on the side of the traffickers, question mark.
	We've got Schultz next.
	Yep.
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	Right, big news while I was away.
	I kept on top of it and I was being sent the breaking news by people who were involved with it and people who are friends of this show, Great Patriots.
	One of them is the Assistant State Superintendent for the Great Commonwealth of Virginia and she's got good news for us when it comes to parents' rights.
	Elizabeth Schultz, welcome back to America First.
	Well, thank you so much, Sub.
	I appreciate the opportunity.
	And boy, that was a lead-in.
	Be prepared and be patriotic between those two leads.
	And as the mother of three Eagle Scouts and one about to be Eagle Scout, who is probably the only one who stands in this class for The National Anthem every day, what a story.
	And you know, that's what we're about at the Virginia Department of Education is maybe putting parents and children first in education instead of ideology.
	Yeah, we played, you weren't up yet, but with our last guest, we played Larry Hogan, sorry, not Larry Hogan, we played Phil Murphy of New Jersey.
	Who said that parents shouldn't know about what their children are being put through by potential groomers, and if they are quote-unquote transitioning, the parents should know about that.
	I think in Virginia we think a little bit differently.
	So we have this headline from Daniel Payne, New Virginia Transgender Student Policies Emphasize Parental Rights.
	This is from the Catholic News Agency.
	You got in touch with me.
	You said a few conservatives commentators are misrepresenting this, they're not getting it right.
	So tell us why what you, your team, and the governor have done is good news for the people of the Commonwealth.
	So really from the outset of his campaign and now as governing the
	Commonwealth of Virginia, you have a governor who said, look, we're going to put parents at the forefront.
	We're concerned that education is happening not only absent parents, but sometimes behind the backs of
	parents.
	That's what we saw in Virginia.
	That's what we saw as a national movement.
	And parents have had enough.
	And so this governor came in to the prior administration and Ralph Northam's model policies on the treatment of transgender students in our schools and said, how do we, we look at this and say, we believe that parents are the primary educators of their own children.
	That parents love their children.
	That has to be the premise.
	That's the start of what we believe is not that teachers love their students more than parents love their children.
	And how do you create an environment in which there is going to be privacy, dignity and respect for parents and their rights and students in our schools?
	And so these policies were released last week and it says, look, If something is happening with a student in a school, that school board, that superintendent, that principal, those teachers need to involve the parents.
	You cannot do things behind the backs of parents.
	And that involves, if a student comes forward with a gender identity issue, you don't get to resolve that or transition or provide advice, medical advice, psychological advice to a child.
	That's not the place of government employees.
	That's the place of parents at the table first.
	All right, so we've only got a minute left and I don't want to get you in trouble with some Commonwealth-level version of the Hatch Act, but I follow politics in the Commonwealth closely because I am a citizen who lives in Virginia.
	How much of everything that you're doing and the people working for the Governor are doing could be endangered by the election in November if it's not the good guys who have control of the Senate?
	Is this going to hit a brick wall come November, or are you guys going to keep on trucking?
	Well, they could always get elected and take over the Senate and undo, but this is already law.
	We're just re-promulgating the policies that say athletics should be biological males against biological males and biological females against biological females.
	That locker rooms and bathrooms are spaces in which all children need to be protected and have their privacy and dignity.
	So if the Senate wants to get elected or keep their seat and undo this law, but these are
	policies, remember, the prior school boards were following the old policies, so the school
	boards need to be following the new policies that provide putting parents in the driver's
	seat and respecting and stopping any bullying that's going on, regardless of the students,
	but parents are back in the driver's seat under Governor Yunkin.
	There actually are children, not the states.
	God bless you, Elizabeth Schultz, Virginia's Assistant State Superintendent.
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	I'm just really, really curious.
	It's part of my childhood.
	Maybe I just gave it away.
	Alright, what photographs have we not shared to our viewers, Eric, that I sent to you from my time away in Colorado?
	All right there we have that is the Black Canyon and it was cool and I love my new cowboy hat.
	I had it blinged up for me by the man who gave me this pen.
	This is from the Davis Clothing Company.
	Go back to my hat so you can see the bling.
	I got the stars and stripes on my hat band.
	How nice is that?
	What else?
	What else?
	Let's share the photo album with our viewers out there.
	Yes, we have that, but we have the family photo, but we have other things.
	We have me with a cigar, we have me with all kinds of things, but in the meantime, let's listen to the man who was perhaps one of the most pathetic individuals I've ever met in government.
	He was anonymous until people realized he's Miles Taylor, the man who made the coffee at the Department of Homeland Security, and now he thinks he's what, Jack Kerouac in a t-shirt and a bomber jacket on CNN.
	And he understands the threat.
	Let's listen to little Miles Taylor.
	Cut 16!
	Really think in a clear-eyed way about what a second term would look like.
	And you point to what's called the doomsday book.
	When I was at the Department of Homeland Security, one of the things we were responsible for was continuity of government.
	The most extraordinary presidential powers that could be used in the case of armed foreign invasion or nuclear attack.
	Now, I didn't find out until I was talking to former colleagues about this book that Donald Trump wasn't aware of some of those authorities, but now he is.
	And if returned to the White House, those are the types of things he wish he'd known about Do you understand what he's saying there?
	A doomsday scenario?
	Doomsday for who?
	Doomsday for people like Miles Taylor.
	Meaning, members of the Deep State, who've never been elected to anything, not even, you know, county dog catcher.
	The apocalypse, the doomsday, would be for them.
	Because President Trump... Well, let's just say this.
	In a second term, he'd have nothing to lose.
	Can't be re-elected.
	Can only serve two terms.
	So he doesn't have to play nice.
	And he can use every tool in the toolbox the Constitution provides him as the Chief Executive to root out corruption in this city and burn it to the ground.
	So that finally, Washington D.C.
	can again represent the interests of the American people.
	Yeah.
	Armageddon.
	Armageddon.
	For you, the real fascists.
	The Democrat Party of today.
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	Lest you thought the insanity of gender bending is unique to America and that people being incapable of defining what a man is and what a woman is is just unique to us, I've got some bad news.
	Or is it good news?
	Does it mean that there are others elsewhere who are fighting against this insanity?
	Here's a little clip from a British politician who, despite clearly being a woman, can't define what that is.
	Play cut.
	But to do that, you know, you've got a book about it.
	International Women's Day. So I don't know, I think people get themselves down
	rabbit holes on this one. I think let's just celebrate International Women's Day
	and amazing women all over the country, amazing women all over the world, but
	also challenge inequalities and say what it is we need to be doing for the future.
	But to do that, you know, you've got a book about it, you presumably can say
	I'm very confident what a woman is. Yeah, but it's very...
	I don't know, I just wonder if we get into Why are we all kind of getting ourselves tangled up?
	Well, I think it's because a lot of people listening would say, well, I know what a woman is, it's really straightforward.
	And then it feels that politicians start to get themselves into rabbit holes about this.
	Yeah, as you can see, I'm avoiding going down a rabbit hole because I just think this is pointless.
	I think we've had a great celebration of International Women's Day.
	Yvette Cooper, Shadow Home Secretary, thinks that defining what a woman is on Women's Day is somehow falling down a rabbit hole.
	How did we get here and what is the effect on men at the same time?
	Let's ask somebody who I'm very, very proud to get back onto America First because he's one of the few Mmm, what do you say?
	Public intellectuals who's worth a damn.
	He is of the Lotus Eaters, the one, the only Sargon of Akkad, Carl Benjamin.
	It's been far too long.
	It has, and what a flattering introduction, thank you.
	Well, I find what you have to say worthwhile, and especially so because, like my buddy Charlie Kirk, you have that autodidact thing about you.
	There's no pretense to your knowledge.
	You've educated yourself on the big things about Western civilization, philosophy, theology, and it shows, and that's why I find our discussions so very, very, very enjoyable.
	But It seems, if it's bad news or good news, looking at the point of view of Finding Allies, that the insanity of what we have here, the assault on men, the assault on women, if you look at Dylan Mulvaney, it exists on your side of the pond as well, if a leading politician, who's a woman, can't even define what that is.
	So has the insanity spread to the UK as well?
	The question, what is a woman, has destroyed at least two political careers so far.
	The first being Joe Swinson, the former leader of the Liberal Democrats, and the second being Nicola Sturgeon, the former Premier of Scotland and leader of the Scottish National Party.
	It is destroying the left in this country, which is why when people like Matt Walsh and any others Make that the point of contact with left-wing philosophy.
	It really does them a lot of damage.
	Because as you saw there from Yvette Cooper, she has no answer.
	And she knows she has no answer.
	And so the best she can do is just try and avoid the pothole.
	But it's really important.
	It's become one of those questions, isn't it?
	But she knows what the answer is, as our friend who comes on the show regularly, Posey Parker, says and makes, you know, the great t-shirts, you know, adult, female, human.
	They know what the answer is.
	So explain to me what it is that Yvette Cooper or Sturgeon or American politicians, what are they actually afraid of if you said adult, human, female?
	Well, that is a definition.
	And the word definition comes from, I think it's Latin, but it might be Greek, and it means limit.
	And that means to place a limit on what something is, which of course defines something that it's not.
	And any normal person will say, yes, okay, that's not very interesting.
	But the left winger will say, hang on a second, that's not inclusive.
	That's exclusionary.
	And that's precisely the point.
	That's why she's afraid to say what a woman is.
	Of course, she could pick up a dictionary and say, oh, I don't want to be female.
	That was difficult.
	But then she has to admit that transgender male-to-female people are not women, and therefore they can't be included in the category of woman, and therefore a lot of things follow from this.
	And this is, for some reason, the mast that the left, as an international movement, has pinned its colours to.
	OK, well that's fine, but also 99% of people think it's wrong, and it means you are trying to insert males into female-only spaces.
	And that's something that most people, say fathers like myself, take objection to.
	Because I have daughters, I don't want adult males in those spaces, regardless of how they identify.
	Now let me push back just quickly on that.
	I mean, I were that it was so, but you say most people disagree with this insanity.
	You look at the recent survey just three days ago, four days ago, Brown University, 42% of the students identify as LGBTQ.
	Now, we know this is a social contagion, but are we sure that the majority is still prepared to state the truth?
	Or are they cowed?
	And I look at Covid and I see how basically we just surrendered, we genuflected at the altar of, you know, the bureaucrats who said masks work and shut down the schools.
	Are we not at a point where people know what the truth is, Carl, but far too many are prepared to say it?
	We probably have passed that event horizon, but it is still true that most people, when polled, do not think that men should have access to female spaces.
	Even if, in the same poll, they will say, well, it would be nice to treat trans women as women.
	So with most polling, it's obviously, as you well know, it comes down to how you frame the question and what you juxtapose the question with.
	And most people in their guts know that this is a kind of polite fiction that they're prepared to go along with in certain social circumstances.
	So for example, if you met someone at a party and it's a man wearing a dress, but they're nice and they're sincere and they say, look, you know, I'd like you to call me Shirley.
	Uh, you're not going to say, well, I'm not going to call you Shirley.
	Uh, you'll be polite about it and say miss or whatever.
	Um, just because it doesn't cost you anything and it would be improper and polite to do otherwise.
	But when it comes to who gets access to the ladies changing rooms at a swimming pool, most people become very conservative on that issue, and appropriately so.
	It's the point that Jordan Peterson, the thing that made Jordan Peterson famous, that, you know, I will be polite and call you miss if you want me to, but if the government forces me to and compels me, I will refuse to do that.
	You know, I don't think it's really about the government compulsion for most people.
	I think for most people, it's really about the concern they have for their wives and daughters and sisters and family members.
	I don't think it's really about the government compulsion.
	I do think it's Honestly more primitive than that.
	I think you think you think that because I find myself saying this but I'm worried I'm too close
	to the fire. I think this that issue the protecting of girls is the Damascene moment is where the
	scales fall from the eyes and people who really have no interest in politics were never a political
	activist are going to say uh no you're not doing that in my daughter's school.
	Do you think, do you think this could have a truly catalytic effect on a, on a, you know, tectonic level?
	Yeah, I really do.
	And we're seeing a lot of it, actually.
	And weirdly, this is one of those hills that even the sort of wet conservatives are prepared to die on, because it's just such an obvious victory.
	They can't bring themselves to lose on this issue.
	Even people like Rishi Sunak, who is, I mean, he's the head of the Conservative Party, but he's certainly not a conservative.
	And even he can say confidently with his chest out, oh no, a woman is an adult human female.
	Because he knows it's such a winning issue.
	The left are so far from reality on this question, and everyone knows it.
	Everyone knows that when a 6ft3 bloke in a dress goes into the girls, he shouldn't be going into the girls.
	And he's got some sort of ulterior motive.
	Hopefully more and more people will wake up.
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	All right, let's get down to work.
	We've talked about the threat to women with regards to this transgender insanity.
	Let's focus on the subject at hand, which is manhood and the assault on masculinity.
	How bad is it in Western civilization, Carl, that the classic conceptualization of what it means to be a man is under assault?
	Have we reached a crisis point?
	How bad is it in your estimation?
	I think that it's been destroyed, and I think that we're living in the ruins of it now.
	The fact that we are concerned about this shows just how bad things are, because normally a man would be off doing manly things.
	They'd be working hard, providing for their family, fixing things around the house, whatever it is that they feel is expected of them at the time.
	But there's nothing that is set aside for men anymore, because being a man is a position of honour.
	It's something that you aspire to.
	You're not born a man, you've got to become a man.
	You have to go through a series of life events.
	Simply reaching a certain age is not enough.
	And I think that we're seeing that with, and I'm not trying to attack when I say this, but I think a lot of Generation Z young men are not going through those rites of passage, those rituals that take you from one stage in life to another.
	And this is normally, and in past eras, this was a position of honour that you were expected to uphold.
	And so, to be a man was to hold your head up.
	It wasn't simply enough to say, well, I'm an adult human male, am I not a man?
	No, you had to have a backbone, you had to have a word, and your word was your bond, and you were expected to keep your bond.
	You were expected to do things, you were expected to have a firm handshake, you were expected to be trustworthy, reliable.
	Stand up for people who couldn't stand up for themselves.
	Things like this.
	All sorts of... I don't even know what we call them.
	Virtues.
	But there was a kind of almost spiritual overlay to being a man.
	It was something to aspire to.
	And we look up at great men for the way that they embodied these virtues.
	And it's simply something that has been destroyed.
	When?
	Can you point a nexus?
	When did that destruction occur?
	It began in the 1970s with the radical feminist movement.
	And for some reason, at the time, even though there were plenty of women at the time, I mean, it probably began before this, but I mean, it really became evident in the 1970s that there was a woman's movement that was leveraging women's Sentimental advantage over men, through men, in order to undermine men, by claiming that, in fact, the position of honour that a man should have as, say, the head of his household, actually was not deserved.
	Actually, it was evil.
	Actually, it was a form of oppression.
	And all throughout the millennia, up until this point, We simply didn't realise.
	All of the women demanding... No, no, they were being oppressed.
	And men, for some reason, backed off.
	Because, and I think it's because, honestly, women were asking.
	Women were yet again demanding something, and that's fine.
	It's totally normal for women to... I mean, Camille Paley makes this point brilliantly.
	If women weren't making demands on men, we'd probably still be living in mud huts or caves or something like this, right?
	And I genuinely... I mean, think about all the young men that you may have known who... And I was like this when I was in my 20s, when I, you know, I didn't have a girlfriend.
	I would work a minimum wage job, I'd drink beer, and I'd play video games.
	That's what men do in the absence of women.
	However, when women ennoble them to be men, they're capable of great things, and they do great things.
	And this is, I think, one of the main problems that men in society now, this is really, I think, the sickness, is that young men are failing, and everyone can see that young men are failing.
	Young men are not actualizing in the way that they should.
	But it's because society has said, no, actually you're replaceable.
	You have been replaced by these strong, independent women who now can't find husbands because, as Jordan Pearson makes the point, you know, did you not want a worthy man?
	Well, that wasn't really good for the women.
	It's not really good for the men.
	It's really, and it's strange for me to say this as an atheist, but it's kind of against the natural order.
	It's, there's something, again, I find myself not having a better word than spiritual about this.
	There is a spirit that underpins human relations between men and women, and without paying tribute to it, without giving it honour, you can see how men and women become much less happy, they become much less secure, they don't know what they should be doing.
	And yet, in all previous ages, in all previous civilizations, young men and young women knew exactly what they should be doing.
	No one felt lost and alone like they do now.
	And so this is what liberalism has brought us to, I'm afraid.
	And the thing is, I don't know how we can bring back the kind of appropriate masculine honour that is due to men without The women who are leading this feminist movement, essentially undercutting it by using men's natural sympathy towards women.
	Could war be the answer?
	Yes.
	Because then women will not want to go and fight, they'll want to be protected and they'll look to men to win the war for them.
	They will, but it is difficult to advocate war.
	No, no, I mean, I'm not advocating for it, but I don't see any other means by which you create the culmination point, the crisis, where women say, yeah, I don't want to be in a trench being shelled.
	You can go do it for me.
	Yeah, I mean, there were all sorts of structures previously that would uphold these gendered values rather than living in a unisex society.
	It used to be understood that boys would go to a boys' school, girls would go to a girls' school, and they would have different kinds of curricula that would teach them different values, and you would inculcate these manly or womanly values into the young people as they were growing up.
	And this would set them in good stead for the opposite sex because The reason that the sexes look the way they do traditionally is because that's what the other sex finds attractive.
	It's literally that simple.
	We like those things, those qualities, those virtues in the opposite sex.
	I think it's totally possible for us to go back to doing something like that.
	The problem is ideological.
	The problem is that we have this liberal unisex world in which there can't be something set aside for one gender because of the left's innate hatred of anything that could be considered exclusionary.
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	Carl, you've talked about how the genesis was in the 1970s or slightly before that, it's the rise of the militant feminists, the denial of any difference between men and women, or rather that women can become men and they can crave to achieve what men are meant to achieve.
	If you're looking at the situation today, which is truly insane, I look at my grown children who've graduated a few years from college, what they had to go through, just the bombardment, ideologically, of these young men and women with this idea that Masculinity is bad, is to be denied that, you know, soy boys and pajama boys is the ultimate expression of masculinity.
	In this environment today, not in the 70s, where would you point the finger As the locus of the disease, the vector from whence it first... Where is the most powerful source of what is happening today?
	Is it social media?
	Is it Hollywood?
	Is it the colleges or the teacher training facilities?
	Who has the most culpability in driving the ideology?
	To be honest with you, I'm not sure you can reasonably separate any one of those things out from the rest.
	It's a deep web of different social layers in which they all play a part to disseminate the same message that is deliberately designed to confuse the differences between men and women.
	I mean, HR departments, Whatever... How to describe this?
	It's kind of like there is a deep state in our civilizations of people whose minds have been kind of switched, and it's like, oh no, everything has to be intersectional now, and therefore.
	And so any key decision-making apparatus, such as, I mean, for example, I live in a place called Swindon, which is generally quite a conservative, small area of England, and even here we have pride flags.
	No one votes for this.
	In Swindon?
	In Swindon.
	We have pride flags.
	But is it on the council building or is it on private stores and buildings?
	Well, no, no, the council do this.
	They spray, there's a particular set of stairs that lead up, public stairs that lead up to the Wyvern Theatre here.
	And they were sprayed in the Pride colors.
	Wow.
	And it was just, no one's asking for this.
	No one, like this, I mean, and the people who are is literally a handful of people in our small area.
	So this is, let me unpack this because this is fascinating.
	You used the phrase deep state.
	So what we're talking about Is a cultural fifth column, aren't we?
	Yes.
	We're talking about subversives in the centers of power who are daily distorting the natural order, to use your terminology.
	Yeah, and it's not... They wouldn't understand themselves as subversives.
	No.
	They are people who are... I mean, you've seen the NPC meme.
	Yes.
	It's very much like that, where they receive their programming through several different avenues.
	I mean, the most advanced of them will get it from the academics.
	And this originally all comes from academia.
	The person who coined the term intersectionality was Kimberley Crenshaw, who was an academic at Harvard Law.
	And it snowballed from there.
	It took about 30 years, because it was in the early 90s that she coined this term.
	So it's taken about 30 years, but now you can see it's everywhere, right?
	This is an idea that has gestated and cascaded out of there.
	And So you'll find all of the social media, especially Silicon Valley platforms, particularly eager to adopt this framework.
	I'll just quote him here because I like the shorthand.
	I'm a big fan of The Critical Drinker, a Scottish cultural reviewer, movie reviewer.
	His name is actually Will Jordan.
	He's a successful published author as well.
	He calls it the message, even if they're not You know, ideologically au fait, they've never heard of Professor Hill or they've never heard of, you know, queer theory.
	They know that there is THE MESSAGE and I must be supporting THE MESSAGE.
	We're talking... Exactly right.
	The message has particular authority.
	Because it is a set of moral instructions that are purely secular.
	This comes from a place that they don't understand, but because it already fits with the way that liberalism interprets the world, it naturally slots into wherever they are.
	And so they can be just some random person, like a cinema manager or something like that.
	But they'll see on Twitter, oh, it's Pride Month!
	Oh, well I have to support the LGBT because all, and you can see how it kind of, it's like a river and each one of them can just drop in at any point.
	And it's also a moral credentialing for them.
	When they do it, they have demonstrated to the world their moral value in terms of the message.
	Okay, here's my favorite question for the Manhood Hour.
	When you think of what it is to be a man, all of the things you've listed, Honor, so forth.
	Where did you receive that conceptualization from?
	Which man?
	Some of them lucky, lucky individuals can point to their father.
	We've had guests talk about fictional characters they read about, a football coach, a drill sergeant in the army.
	For Carl Benjamin, who most crystallized for you your understanding of what a real man is?
	And you said, yeah, that's what I want to be.
	My father, without doubt, without hesitation.
	Throughout my entire life he has been an unflappable example of what a man should be, and I absolutely aspire to be like him.
	However, there are also other male role models in society.
	I can't necessarily name any individual one because it When I was young, there wasn't an assault on masculinity action.
	So you would watch a Hollywood movie and you would see Arnold Schwarzenegger fighting the Predator or Sylvester Stallone or whoever, you know, Bruce Willis.
	You know, there were loads of respectable male role models who did take those fundamental, and these are the Western values of masculinity, which are truth, honor, nobility, justice, and bravery.
	And there are lots of others, but these are the core ones where It's the person of last resort, right?
	That's what the man is.
	Explain that, that's important.
	What does that mean to be the person of last resort?
	Why is that part of manhood?
	Well, because The man has to be the final decision maker in the hardest circumstances.
	And this is why, and it's, it's difficult for a lot of young men to accept this, but really one of the key, probably the most key thing that a man has to do is violence.
	Because when your family is attacked, we have gone through all of the, all of the other questions.
	Can this person be reasoned with?
	Can they be bought off?
	Can this happen?
	Can that happen?
	No.
	The last resort now is self-defense.
	And you can't rely on your wife for that.
	You can't rely on your children for that.
	You can't rely on your neighbor for that.
	You have to rely on you for that.
	You are the person of last resort.
	Or the worst happens.
	And that really, I think, is the test of a man.
	Let me, if you'll indulge me, I'd like to just embroider on that a little bit.
	I was discussing this issue with my wife on a long drive and it came to me that one of
	the most important things a father not can do but must do for his sons is to demonstrate
	to them the appropriateness of violence and when violence is inappropriate.
	One of the things my grown son said to me without any kind of apropos, he just said
	I'm very grateful for you father for showing me where the boundaries are and the boundaries
	for all kinds of things you know how much you eat, how much you drink, whatever else,
	use of language but most specifically it's this issue that is core.
	Why rough housing is so important, why physicality is important because it's the wrestling, it's
	the physicality where you demonstrate that's okay but when you cross the line that's inappropriate
	and I'm going to tell you that it's inappropriate unless and this is what you're talking about
	The other person has crossed the line and is a threat to you and your loved ones.
	And this is what my friend here, Chris Coles, that does our movie reviews with me, said one day as we were reviewing a great film from the 80s.
	He said, you have to understand, for men, every other man represents a potential threat to your family.
	And that's just a fact.
	That's just a fact.
	You know, probably 98% of them are fine, but one of them could be a mugger, a murderer, a rapist, a kidnapper, and guess whose job it is to stop them if necessary?
	It's not your wife's.
	It's not your son's.
	It's not your daughter's.
	It's not your grandmother.
	It's your job.
	So this is absolutely crucial.
	The person of last resort, I think we've We found the title for this hour, and this is why it's so great to talk to you, Carl.
	Looking at the next generation, you said you have daughters, I don't know if you have sons, but if we want to save Western civilization, you know, virtue and sacrifices are big words, you have to read, you have to philosophize, but when you're talking to an eight-year-old, a nine-year-old, or a ten-year-old, what does Carl Benjamin want to put in the curricula for what a young boy has to learn today for us to create the antibody to all of this anti-masculinity.
	I'm not sure there is any one thing but one thing that springs to mind is I don't like the feminization of education these days.
	Explain.
	And I don't in particular the way that it Objects to young men fighting one another, actually.
	Because of course, you know, when I was in school, I got into fights with my schoolmates.
	You know, this happened.
	This is what young men do, and always have done, since the dawn of time.
	And yet, my eight-year-old son got into a fight at his school.
	You know, just a scuffle, nothing major.
	And the teacher told him off.
	And my wife was, oh, yeah, I mean, you know, If he's been roughhousing at school, then obviously that's not okay.
	And I stopped them on that.
	I was like, no, that's fine.
	If one of the other boys pushes him, because he didn't start it, if one of the other boys pushes him, he should push back just as hard.
	In fact, if not harder.
	And if one of them strikes him, he should strike them back.
	And I'm not taking any arguments on this.
	This is without doubt the correct thing to do.
	And I think it comes really from the fact that women don't understand why men fight, right?
	There is a reason that underpins this most primitive of urges in young men, right?
	A fight between two men is a test of character.
	Yes.
	You learn about the other man, what he is going to do and will do when put under extreme stress.
	How does he react to pain?
	How does he react to intimidation?
	Is he going to stand his ground?
	Can you beat him?
	And this is often why two young men will hate each other very bitterly.
	They'll have a fight and then they'll be friends.
	Yes.
	Because suddenly they have the measure of one another's character.
	Oh, I thought I could get him to run away.
	I thought he was a coward.
	I thought he was worthless.
	I thought he had no spine.
	But actually he gave me a right shiner even though I beat him up.
	He gave me a shiner and actually I respect that.
	And that's where male combat comes from.
	That's the point.
	It blows my mind that these things are so crucial and nobody talks about these or at least not enough and that's why we started the manhood hour.
	My son fortunately for most of his schooling went to a catholic school where they were actually encouraged to get physical Right?
	You know, behind the bike shades, a little bit of... If they came home with mud on their jacket or a ripped trouser leg, it was... That was normal.
	That was normal.
	And because it's of what you said, you get a measure of the other person and you can actually get to respect them if they stand up for themselves.
	Amazing stuff.
	Of course it is because it's Sargon of Akkad.
	The website is lotuseaters.com.
	All right, we're almost out of time.
	Let me ask you the last few questions.
	On this issue, you said they've destroyed masculinity.
	My last question to our guest is usually, where do you stand?
	Are you an optimist or a pessimist on these issues?
	You've kind of snuck up on that question already.
	Tell us If there is hope, where will it come from, short of a war erupting that will reset the balance of men and women?
	Talk to us about Western civilization, why you do what you do, and what hopes you have.
	I think, at bottom, I am an optimist.
	I've always, and I think this is probably just a character disposition.
	Some people are naturally pessimistic.
	Well, I'm naturally optimistic.
	But I have to be honest, the circumstances when you look around, It doesn't look good.
	But change is only possible if we can articulate what the problem is and find the moral courage to step in the right direction.
	And this is honestly, right, this is why I ended up supporting Trump.
	This is genuinely the real reason I support Trump.
	Because back in 2016, 2015, I was a liberal.
	I wasn't Thinking about Trump?
	I was fighting with the left, obviously, because they're so unbelievably illiberal, but I didn't realise the scope of what it was they were asking for, and I didn't realise how bad things had gotten.
	And I didn't take Trump seriously at first, but he kept making the steps in the right direction, and he kept doing it for the right reasons, and he kept saying, I don't care what your opinion is, I'm not apologising for being essentially an American man, which is really what Trump has become like an avatar of.
	And I found myself really respecting that.
	And I thought, OK, well, that's a good start, right?
	That's a very good start.
	And the fact that millions of Americans and people around the world, I mean, they won't tell you, they won't show you that there are people in other countries who like Trump.
	But as a person in other countries who's got a very large audience over here, Trust me, there are those people, you know, even if it's like only a minority, because it gets nonstop negative coverage, that there are there are people who do get it.
	And there are people who are in the same boat.
	And I do think that if we just keep telling the truth, stepping in the right direction, day after day, we can't fail to make progress.
	Yeah.
	And we have to because what you mentioned earlier, We are producing, or they, the left, have produced literally tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions of women who, in the next few years,
	will wake up to what they've become and realize they have no meaning, they have no children.
	And that will be a crisis for our whole society when these women who are told, get a job, family can wait, you're as good as a man, when you have hundreds of millions of them wake up one day and say, what, this is it?
	Then our society will have a serious situation on its hands.
	I mean, I genuinely feel bad for a lot of them.
	I cover this quite a lot in the podcast, where it's a woman who's written an article in a woman's magazine, and she said, well, hang on a second.
	I own six figures.
	I'm 43, and I can't find a husband.
	Why is that?
	And it's like, well, you are the husband, actually.
	You're looking for a wife.
	You've adopted, you've taken over the position of husband, and unsurprisingly, no man is interested.
	And there are so many, again, A young woman discovering, well, hang on a second, why don't men care how much I earn?
	Why do men don't care how intelligent I am?
	What my prospects are?
	And it's like, because men are not women and they're not looking for the same things.
	Men are looking for a wife, a homemaker, a companion, someone who will support them.
	And again, it's all very old-fashioned and traditional, but My grandparents never divorced on both sides.
	It's something that clearly works, and I would like a civilization where people feel naturally inclined to what it is they're doing, rather than living a lie every day.
	You get up, you go to the gym, you go to your office, and you sit there for eight hours in an artificially lit cubicle so your boss can afford another yacht that year.
	And it's like, why?
	Why did that make you happy?
	And it doesn't, and they know it doesn't.
	And so, I think you're totally right.
	In a few years' time, the millennial women now, reaching their 40s and mid-40s, and you can already see the regret.
	You can see it.
	And it's not going to be pretty, frankly.
	I just wrote down, just amusing myself, I wrote down a sentence you said with regards to that scenario.
	You said, men are not women.
	And the fact I had to write that down and the fact that today that would be considered controversial for many people tells us where we are.
	Just a quick thing, mate.
	This is what the Daily Wire got struck on YouTube for.
	They're saying, like, so don't put this on YouTube.
	You're not allowed.
	Oh, no, no.
	We're banned on YouTube, so don't worry about that.
	Don't worry about that.
	But this has been far too, far too short.
	Superb stuff, as usual.
	Let's continue.
	Let's make this a little bit more regular.
	In the meantime, the website is lotuseaters.com.
	You can follow him on social media as Sargon of Akkad.
	And he is, of course, Carl Benjamin, who has assured me Assured me offline that he is assiduously working on his first book, but more of that later.
	I know you didn't say that.
	I said it for you.
	Now it's out there.
	You can't walk it back.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This has been the Manhood Hour.

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