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July 11, 2023 - Sebastian Gorka
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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Why should you support President Trump? Dr. G's elevator pitch
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The donor base is very much kind of sitting on the sidelines right now, kind of waiting to see who spurs up.
Because most of the major donors across the country, at least on the Republican side, don't want to see Trump.
They've been very clear about that.
But they're not seeing anyone kind of surge forward.
Obviously, Governor DeSantis has done a very good job so far.
You know, he's maintaining kind of that second place.
Look, it's the former president.
He's got the name ID, he's got the recognition, he's got the war chest, all of that.
So no one should be surprised that the former president is in the lead.
It's a big lead, but it is not insurmountable by any means.
What is the most important part of that statement from Chris Sununu?
Don't ask me about my father.
The donors.
Which big donors?
The big donors!
Um, are they losing interest in Ron?
Why are they still supporting him?
And do we care?
If you believe in America, should your choice of president be dictated by the big donors?
I don't think so.
I think he doesn't understand, or perhaps he understands all too well, the threat President Trump poses to him and the establishment.
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Last night, I tweeted out as soon as a certain contact of mine sent me the information from the Department of Justice's webpage.
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We have arrived.
Let's return to the topic at the top of the show, the race for the conservative nomination.
Let's listen to the man himself, the governor from Florida, who has an interesting spin on why he's doing so poorly.
Ron DeSantis, cut four.
You're down over 30 points to Trump.
What's your strategy for catching up?
Well, first, I think it's pretty clear that the media does not want me to be the candidate.
I think that they've tried to create narratives that somehow the race is over.
This is going to be a state-by-state contest.
We've worked really hard to build the type of organization in places like Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina that you need.
To actually be able to win these early contests, and we're going to continue doing that.
We got a lot of work, but we've had very, very favorable response, and we're going to keep building off that momentum.
At the end of the day, I think the fact that I'm the one that's targeted by the media, by the left, even by the President of Mexico, is because people know that I will beat Biden, and they know that I will actually deliver on all these issues and beat the Democrats at the border, beat them on things like ESG, beat them on things like crime.
And they don't want to see that.
I'm confused.
Jeff, help me out.
I know you're a big fan of the governor here.
When you're asked by Stuart Varney, why are you 30 points down?
And he says, well, it's clear the media doesn't like me and the president of Mexico.
What is he talking about?
What's that got to do with being 30 points down?
Well, the thing is, the media didn't like him before he announced.
And before he announced, he was doing about 10 or 15 points better.
He's actually, since he kicked off this campaign in May, that's when he's fallen.
He's been doing the worst by campaigning.
At this point, and I'm not even joking, the best thing for them, they should just send Ron to the basement.
Like what they did with Biden.
They should Biden Ron.
Yes, let the surrogates, he's got a million of the surrogates out there.
But they're so bad!
The surrogates are worse than he is!
Maybe let his wife campaign, maybe just do what Fetterman did for like three months, he just ran his campaign on Twitter.
Don't give them ideas, Jeff, please.
Do you know how much fun it would be to say Ron's going to the basement?
Do you know how much fun that would be, though?
That would be fabulous.
He's not going to win either way.
Hey, you know what we could do?
We could do what they do, Jeff.
We could, like, hire a load of people who aren't us.
Or, you know, what is it the Russians are alleged to have done in 2015?
We'll create bot farms of people who pretend to support Ron and say, Ron, go to the basement.
Ron, go to the basement.
Wouldn't that be fun across all social media?
I think it's a great idea.
It's his only winning way.
I think it's his only path right now.
But Jeff, we ripped him last week when he was asked the same question on another show and he said, but the President of Mexico hates me.
He's doing it again!
That's what, you know, they have the talking points.
That's how the normal traditional politicians are.
And then he says, it's a state-by-state race now and I read in my rundown he's being clobbered by more than 20 points in Florida.
Does he not even read the polls?
There's a reason I put that right directly under that clip, because I thought that was the best part.
Perfect.
All right.
Thank you, Jeff.
So I was, for my sins, I don't know why, it's because I'm a bloody insomniac, I went on a Twitter space last night, but just for like 15 minutes, the last literally 15 minutes.
And it was fun.
It was Ron the War.
Ron DeSantis versus Trump.
And we had camps arguing it.
And I just plopped in, you know, the last, you know, it's been going for about two hours.
And the host, a lovely guy, you know who you are, buddy.
He said, let's wrap off, wrap up with two speakers from each side and we'll give you a minute to argue for your candidate.
One of them was RFK, one of them was Ron, and one of them was President Trump.
And I was given the President Trump.
And I want to reprise what I did for you then, because I said, I don't need a minute, I'll do it in 40.
Why President Trump is the one.
You know the simplest answer?
Because the establishment hates him on both sides.
That's the answer.
The Democrats hate him, because the working class loves him.
The Republican establishment hate him because they can't control him.
Add to that no wars for four years.
Add to that the biggest economy the world has ever seen.
The crushing of ISIS.
What more do you need to know?
Prosperity and safety and the establishment hates him.
That's why you vote for him.
And that's why I support him.
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That's S-E-B-G-O-R-K-A-STORE.COM You said you were going to do the poll at the end of the
segment?
Oh, dagnabbit, I'll do it now.
No, in terms of why Trump?
Oh no, that was pretty much as good as could be.
All the right people hate him.
I love to.
All they do, the Sims, they are goalposting so hard.
It was always, just wait until he announces.
He announces, no bump.
Oh, wait until the first debate.
No bump.
Oh, it's not really about national polls, it's about state by state polls.
He's losing all the polls.
Well, he's behind.
People are comparing it to like when Giuliani was the frontrunner in 2008.
Yes.
When he led by like five points ahead of McCain.
Yes.
So nuts.
Also, we've got a super chat here from Scooter McDooder.
Scooter McDooder?
Donates $2 and says about the whistleblower, you know how I know he isn't a Chinese spy?
Eric Swalhausen had sex with him.
Thank you, Scooby.
Very cool.
I'm changing the last photograph for the PhD because I flipped it so the before is on the left and the after is on the right.
Sending it to me?
Yeah, you should have got it.
Oh, I see it.
Okay, I'll work this out real quick here.
Thank you.
I like how you're pointing in the direction of the before.
Right, right, right, right, right.
It works.
Thematically, it works.
Mm-hmm.
Oh, title for that monologue?
The only reason you need to vote for President Trump.
Mm-hmm.
And I'm gonna send you a photograph to use here as well.
I'll mention it when I'm gonna doodle-doodle it.
Two minutes.
Still working on this one.
Oh, and I need to put her book up as well.
She had a little book I wrote a blurb for.
Oh, what's it called?
Let's see if I can find it.
We had her on when it came out last year.
I don't know how much you keep in there.
If you tell me the title I can find it maybe in the Five steps to reset the scale.
That's right.
Okay, let me see.
We should have... Hang on.
Five steps to reset the scale.
Books.
Please tell me I put the letter F instead of the number 5.
I just sent it to you.
Okay.
Alright, she's on now.
It's saying video not available.
Are you able to enable your video?
Hey guys.
Hey, can you switch on your video?
Yes, I keep clicking it and it's not... Let me just dial you back.
It's been happening a lot.
Okay.
PhD.
Oh, it's been working all day.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. I'm still seeing that available.
Do it, make sure of it.
I'm sorry. I'm still seeing that available.
Thanks for watching!
you Making sense out of today's nonsense, here's Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
Welcome back, dear friends.
Welcome back, dear friends.
I'm, uh, getting ready to go on the big family vacation with...
34 members of my wife's family.
Pray for me.
Please pray for me.
However, I will feel much better because it's the new Dr. G and they'll say, Seb, you look amazing.
Why?
Well, because of a certain Dr. Ashley Lucas and her PhD weight loss program that is truly amazing.
I'd given up.
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And this before and after picture, well, it's frightening at least the before picture is.
And the after picture, well that's me right now, and I feel great.
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No, I didn't tell you to use that picture yet!
It's a surprise picture for our guest!
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864-644-1900, myphdweightloss.com, 864-644-1900.
And I'm so annoyed, allegedly.
myphdweightloss.com 864-644-1900 and I'm so annoyed allegedly
NO WE FIXED IT!
Do we have a visual?
Can we talk to the wondrous woman herself?
Is it true?
The lady, the empress behind the MyPhD weight loss system, Dr. Ashley Lucas.
Are you there?
We need sound.
Sound up.
Are you there?
No audio.
Now we have an image and we have no audio.
That's no good.
I would like to have both an image and audio.
Let's keep the image up.
Let's dial her on her cell phone.
No, don't disconnect.
Guys, what are you doing?
Am I going to have to teach you how to do live radio?
That's so annoying.
Hang on.
I'm putting up her phone number and I'm sharing it right now.
You've got both?
Sound and picture?
No, I don't believe it.
Sound and picture?
Put it up.
Oh, are you calling her?
Calling her?
I can see her dialing it.
Is she going to realize her phone is ringing?
Is she going to answer the phone?
I can see her looking down.
Maybe she's answering it.
Is she going to put it on speaker?
Can we hear her, Jeff?
Are we going to connect?
Three, two, Dr. Lucas, are you possibly there?
Yes, I'm here.
Can you hear me?
Oh my gosh!
We've done it!
We can put men on the moon and we can also talk to the lady that made the new Dr. G possible.
Welcome to America First!
Thank you for having me.
I'm sorry for the technical difficulties.
Not a problem, not a problem.
Let's put that before and after picture up again because it's kind of like scary.
You can look at the Leviathan I was and you can look at the new man I am now.
But you know what the most amazing thing is?
The only reason I did your program, because God bless Salem, you can get rid of it, God bless Salem, I don't have to say yes to any of our advertisers.
I get to choose which is wonderful and I wasn't interested in some diet program until My wife said, yeah, you're doing it.
And we're both doing it.
And you know how exciting it is?
Look at this.
This is Katie Gawker right now.
And she has this awful problem, Dr. Lucas, that she has to buy a whole new wardrobe of clothes because she lost 36 pounds.
That's really awful for women when they have to buy new clothes, isn't it?
So awful.
Alright, tell us about how you started, because your story of how you got into this business is so inspiring.
So tell us the Dr. Ashley Lucas story.
Yeah, you know, I trained as a professional ballet dancer.
And I was a professional ballet dancer until my mid 20s.
And it was a constant struggle for me, I constantly restricted my intake, I counted calories, I didn't eat red meat, because that's what I was told.
And despite that, I still had high cholesterol, I was pre diabetic as this athlete that was dancing all the time and young.
And I still was told that I was fat countless times despite all of that and as a result of restricting myself, I was chronically injured, I had stress fractures.
And the accumulation of my dancing career was in New York City.
I was chosen to perform at every dancer's dream, and instead of finding myself in the spotlight of these once-in-a-lifetime shows, I landed myself in the ER.
I had no idea what was going on.
I thought that I was having a heart attack, and after a whole bunch of tests the neurologist just said I was underfed and over-exercising that I had to quit.
And it might not seem like a big deal, but to me it was 20-plus years of struggle and sacrifice.
It was like Michael Phelps being at the starting line of a swim
and being pulled off and carted to the ER.
And so I understood the struggles that I went through, and it pushed me to go on and earn my PhD in sports
nutrition and chronic disease and study that.
Study what happens to our bodies when we chronically under-eat.
How do we drop weight and maintain it without ruining our metabolism like I did with mine?
also understanding that 80% of any change comes from the mind.
And so I studied the mental, emotional, the habits, behaviors that are ingrained in us and that need to change
when we want to drop weight and keep it off.
And during my diapetic internship, I felt like I needed to be a dietician,
to be a true expert in the field, that a PhD wasn't enough.
But there I was taught all of the same stuff, too, that we just need to eat less and move more and have more
willpower, eat everything in moderation.
and that didn't work for me.
So I completely flipped everything upside down, all the conventional wisdom, threw it out the window and created what we now do at THD that's helped you and Katie drop weight and thousands of other folks really take
control of their health.
So it's been a great journey.
And one of the most exciting things is that it's not just me and Katie or Mike Gallagher
who first brought you to our attention who lost 53 pounds.
He had more to lose.
OK, so we're not giving him the cup.
He started with more to lose.
It's just everybody else.
I mean, you know it because I bug you so often.
I bug your amazing coach Rachel.
I say, oh, my my my wife's brother-in-law, he wants to lose weight.
So there's this guy who comes on our show regularly, Steve Turley, who was so impressed
he didn't even tell me he went on Ph.D., lost 50 pounds.
And then I won't mention his name, General Cleveland, a good friend of mine who was the
commander of the Green Berets, who just texts me out of the blue saying, Seb, this stuff
I've already lost 20 pounds.
So, it's like you're creating this community of people who are so grateful because you've got a system, Dr. Ashley.
That actually works.
It does work.
Yes.
How many people, how many people can you, I don't know give away industrial secrets, but how many people have you helped or how many people are you helping now?
Right now we have about 3,000 active clients who are dropping weight and over the course of everything we've served over 7,000 people and I mean these are people who have dropped all the weight and entered into maintenance and are keeping it off and doing a great job.
Right, well, you've got a book that came out not too long ago.
It's called The Five Steps to Reset the Scale.
And we're here to talk about your brand new podcast that is launching right now.
It's called The Dr. Ashley Show.
Go right now to DrAshleyShow.com.
I'm going to quiz you about the kinds of things we can expect on your new podcast.
So don't go anywhere.
Dr. Ashley Lucas, the founder of PhD Weight Loss.
Absolutely incredible.
You heard me pitch it.
Go right now to MyPhDWeightLoss.com or call her amazing team at 864-644-1900.
I promise you, you won't regret it.
I'd given up.
I literally had given up.
Only because of Katie, we did it, and we feel amazing.
And when your wife says, I feel amazing, you know what they say, happy wife, happy life.
MyPhD, WeightLoss.com, 864-644-1900.
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We'll be back after these messages.
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you See, mic's back on.
Bye.
Bye.
Two and a half minutes.
I'm gonna send you some more photographs.
Okay, give me just a minute here then.
What was your title for the monologue?
The one reason you should vote for President Trump?
President Trump, yeah.
Okay.
All right.
All right.
I'm sending you two pictures, Eric.
Two more?
Yep.
All right.
Anything else after that or are these just... No.
Okay.
All right.
And when did you start PhD?
Two minutes.
2015.
Wow.
Did you touch it?
How are you doing?
Me?
Yes.
Good.
Really good.
Yeah.
Super good.
When my son patted me on the stomach yesterday and he said, you're looking thin dad.
That's when you know you've arrived.
Cause he's a, you know, former D1 athlete, six foot six, you know, he's got like 2% body fat.
He's in the gym for three hours a day.
And when he says that, you say, yeah, I'll take it.
I'll take it.
You should take it.
What type of athlete?
Rowing.
He rowed for Stanford.
He rowed for like 10 years in high school and college.
His body is so broken.
His knee, his ankle, his wrist.
Yeah.
It's tough.
It's tough.
Is he still fit?
Yeah, he's super fit and he trains every day.
But, but, you know, he, you know, he's in pain.
He's, he's had knee surgery.
He's 23.
He's had knee surgery, ankle surgery.
Yeah.
But it's in his blood.
Katie's father rode for Harvard, and my dad rode for the Hungarian national team.
So it skipped a generation.
I played rugby, Katie played soccer, and then it hit our kids, because my daughter rode as well.
Really?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So they must have big, like, broad chests.
Oh, he's like one of these Greek statues.
He's got, like, the swimmer's body.
Like, you know.
It's very, very annoying.
Is it?
No.
I'm very proud.
Very proud.
I'm going to do the poll here after my pillow.
The poll. You're listening to America First with Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to
President Donald J. Trump.
Bye.
It's not just my wife.
On the way to the studio, I stopped off at my tailor to get my new suit, which had been made to measure for me.
Why?
Because I had to get rid of all my old, literally one day I came home and my wife had put all my suits, you know me, I come to work every day.
Suit and tie.
And put all of them on the bed and said, you try them all on.
All the ones that are super baggy, get rid of them.
Oh, can you go to the PhD photograph of me with my baggy pants?
Can you find that out?
Because I think that's the funniest.
That's the one day I said, okay, this is the after picture.
Take the chyron off.
Look at that.
You could fit an extra person in my pants.
I mean, it's just absurd.
That's the power of this program.
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All right, we're back with Dr. Ashley Lucas, the founder of MyPhD Weight Loss Program.
You've launched a podcast.
We're so excited.
DrAshleyShow.com launched today.
Tell us what you're going to do in it.
But first, I want to shout out to Rachel.
We've got a photograph of Rachel with me at your recent event.
Mike Gallagher's in the... No!
That's Dr. Lucas!
Pay attention, guys!
Somebody's going to get shot.
It will be a senseless waste of human life, but it may be necessary.
That's my counselor, Rachel, and my wife's as well, with some chap called Gallagher in the background.
And at the same event, we had the big boss herself.
That's the photograph of Dr. Ashley Lucas.
We were in Greer, South Carolina, and it was superb.
I don't want to give anything away.
People need to get your book.
They need to find out about the program, listen to the podcast.
But let me tell you how it worked for me.
First, we're allowed to eat, okay?
The fact that you program five meals a day, and some of that stuff is amazing.
You know, the food you provide, like the malted protein bars, the, what is the apple and maple oatmeal?
Delicious.
But the key thing, two things, and tell me, you know, I'm the customer, you're the expert.
Number one, Reprogramming how you think about food, understanding why carbohydrates and sugar are so bad for you was the biggest thing for me.
And then secondly, the accountability that every week you check in with Rachel, people like them, and they just help you and they guide you.
For me, I think that's why it worked.
Do you see that across your clients as a commonality?
Yeah, two things is understanding the different perspective on food.
that the conventional wisdom that we've been receiving is just not correct.
We're not a one-size-fits-all, and our body isn't regulated by calorie sensors.
We've got metabolism in there and hormones, and our body chemistry shifts as our body slims down.
And we gotta understand exactly when, what, and how much to eat.
So that's what we did for you, Dr. Gorka.
And what we do for each client is create a customized meal plan so that we take all the guesswork out of it.
Right.
And also the importance of protein, you know, that protein is so, so crucial.
And you, the amazing thing is you lose the hunger pangs.
My thing was, you know, I wake a lot at night, you know, at two o'clock, three o'clock, I'm hungry.
All of that was killed in, you know, amazing system.
We've got about a minute left.
Tell us a little bit about your podcast and give us one tip.
You're talking to millions of people across the country.
Give them one tip to understand the kinds of things you provide.
Okay, great.
Well, the podcast is all about fat loss and fitness, metabolism, longevity, and mindset.
My mission with it is just to create this community of people who are ready to step up, take responsibility for their health, figure out what's going on, and just keep the weight off for good.
To give back to community, be there for their kids, their grandkids, and live a long healthy life.
That's what I want to help people do.
And I hope I do that through the podcast and the YouTube show.
And then if I were to provide one tip, we talked about it a little bit, but it's protein.
Protein is really the key to keeping you full and helping you maintain your muscle.
Because as you age, you generally are going to reduce and lose a little bit of muscle mass.
And your muscle mass is your metabolic currency.
It's the marker of longevity.
And you don't want to do that.
And oftentimes, when you drop weight, you lose muscle.
So you need to really focus on your protein intake.
Specifically, the first meal and the last meal that you eat during the day is the most important meal to get adequate protein because it triggers muscle mass.
And guess what?
With PhD, you can eat bacon and eggs.
I love it.
Look at this.
This is one of my old shirts.
Look at this.
Look at this.
That tells you how real PhD is.
We love it.
We love it.
MyPhDWeightLoss.com.
God bless you and congratulations DrAshleyShow.com.
We are so grateful to you.
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One of the good guys left at Fox, he's the funniest one there, is the diminutive chap from New York, Greg Gutfeld, and he's got a new way of thinking about the incumbent in the White House.
Let's listen to my buddy Greg Gutfeld.
Cut eight.
Because when I see the media and the mainstream media and liberals turn on Biden, then it's time to support him.
Because they must be having something else that's far worse in store.
Because they never have anything better.
So I'm beginning to worry that what are they going to do?
Is it Gavin Newsom?
Is it Kamala?
Are they going to bring back Satan herself, Hillary Clinton?
I don't know.
Now I'm a fan of his exploding temper.
I can't get enough of it.
And then you have AOC.
You know, we know Joe's incapacitated.
We're not supposed to mention the dementia, but let's face it, these blow-ups are a sign of somebody with dementia.
We're not supposed to say that.
You could say that Trump was insane, remember, when he was mad?
That was allowed.
The 25th Amendment.
But if you actually say anything about this kind of anger stuff, that's bad.
But we know he's a brainless hood ornament.
That's why AOC likes him.
So AOC endorsing him is basically saying we need more of that because he will never get in the way of our progressive agenda.
The brainless hood ornament.
That's a new way of thinking about it.
Don't mention the dementia.
I like that.
A little bit of a rhyming slang there.
Did you see?
Well, you didn't if you're listening on the radio, but you should watch the clip.
We'll post it after the show.
Even the token lib on the five, you know, there's always a lefty.
Even when he mentioned the devil incarnate, Hilary, even he smiled.
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But now I've been touting it all day.
It is on every decent platform out there.
But now I've been touting it all day.
It is on every decent platform out there.
I saw it more than two years ago with the star Jim Caviezel sitting next to me at a private showing.
I'm so excited it's out there right now.
It is crushing it.
Why?
Because it's a true story about good triumphing over evil.
It is Sound of Freedom.
Let's play a little clip.
It is the fastest growing international crime network that the world has ever seen.
It has already passed the illegal arms trade, and soon it's gonna pass the drug trade.
At least you can sell a bag of cocaine one time, with a child, five to ten times a day.
God's children are not for sale.
My producer, Jeff, saw it last night.
He said he couldn't watch all of it.
He had to walk out after the last 20 minutes because it's so serious.
It's so heavy.
And that's why it's so important.
And we are overjoyed that somebody has stepped up to the plate to get it out there.
Of course, it was going to be Angel Studios.
And we have their co-founder, Jordan Harmon, with us.
Mr. Harmon, welcome to America First.
Thank you for having me.
Appreciate it.
Well, I want to say thank you to you first.
Because I saw this in a little private showing not far from DC during COVID when I don't know what the backstory is, but I guess Fox bought it for distribution then Disney brought Fox and then they reneged on the distribution.
Jim was desperate to get it distributed.
Now it's out there.
It's beating Indiana Jones.
I want to say thank you for what you're doing to get this out there.
I presume this wasn't a hard choice for Angel to pick up.
No, it wasn't a hard choice at all.
You know, Eduardo Brastighi, the producer, and Alejandro Monteverde, the director, and his co-writer Rod Barr, and their whole team, they created a masterpiece.
I mean, people look at You know, content, and generally speaking, you know, and I think a lot of people have, like, classified Sound of Freedom as faith-based.
I'm not sure why, because it's really not as much of a faith-based movie.
There's a couple elements of God in there, but the... I think the only overt thing is that the kid who gets rescued shows his medallion of St.
Timothy, and that's about it.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
And so it's one of those things where this is on par with any other film in the entire world.
Like, this is a film that just holds its own with anything.
And so for us at Angel Studios, it wasn't hard for us to want to do this.
Now, that being said, Angel is a very unique model in that we have what's called the Angel Guild.
And those are 100,000 plus people who are the investors in The Chosen, and in Tattletwins, and Freelancers, and David movie, and now the Sound of Freedom investors.
All those people comprise the Angel Guild.
And they're the ones who get to be the gatekeepers of what even gets considered to be an Angels ecosystem, or what we distribute.
And so, we were super excited about the film, but then the Guild came and we did a screening for the Guild, and they loved it.
I mean, they were just...
It was a resounding yes.
Please get this out into the world.
And so that made the decision even easier.
And what a wild 100 plus days it's been because that's seriously how long ago it was that we pulled together a distribution and deal about 100 days ago.
We joined you late.
Can you stay on for three more minutes for the next segment?
Yeah, absolutely.
All right.
We've got 60 seconds left here.
Got to ask you right now before we cut to break.
Are you surprised by the success in the first 10 days?
So, you know, I think we have a background in marketing and business, and we have a different way of measuring our success internally, and we spend very efficiently to make sure that the projects are successful.
Like his only son, you know, that got in the top three of the box office for this small film during Easter, and everybody was like, whoa, where did this come from?
And so we knew Sound of Freedom was gonna be a massive hit, and the industry was gonna go, whoa, where did this come from?
But even our expectations have been exceeded, and we're so grateful.
You've got to see it, guys!
Jeff saw it in the theater yesterday, fascinatingly, with an audience that was full of Hispanic Americans.
Maybe they understand the real victims of this devilish industry.
Why is the mainstream media not on board with this?
We'll discuss that next with Jordan Harmon, co-founder of that amazing organization Angel Studios.
The movie is Sound of Freedom.
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That's correct.
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Okay.
We only got two minutes left.
Got to deal with the lying legacy corporate media's response.
Here's a 20 second clip from CNN.
Films are created out of moral panics, they're created out of bogus statistics, they're created out of fear, and with something like Sound of Freedom, it specifically is looking at QAnon concepts of these child trafficking rings that are run by the high-level elites, and only people like Tim Ballard, and only people like Jim Caviezel, and by extension, only people like the ticket buyer, can help bring these trafficking rings down.
So I'm a bit confused.
We know modern slavery exists.
We know there are more slaves today than there ever were in history.
We know women and children are being trafficked for sex.
Why would you not be on the side of those who are educating the world on this phenomenon?
Do you have any idea beyond the purely diabolical, Mr. Harman?
It's a strange, strange thing.
I mean, we thought and feel strongly that everybody should rally behind this incredible movie.
A friend actually reached out to me, having seen the headlines.
I said, what is all this about?
And I said, listen, go watch the movie for yourself and judge for yourself, because anybody who's seen the
movie knows it has nothing to do with QAnon or anything.
It's just telling us a story, a true story.
Ironically, it was written and directed before QAnon was even a thing.
And so it's a strange narrative to have.
And for us at Angel Studios, our mission is to tell stories that amplify light.
We want to tell stories that amplify light into the darkest corners of the world with sound of freedom.
And hopefully, you know, with a massive awareness, just like it was with slavery and Harriet Beecher Stowe, that this can be the beginning of the end of child sex trafficking.
Wow.
From your lips to God's ears.
We've got 60 seconds left.
Don't you find it interesting?
It was not in a Hispanic part of Maryland, but my producer saw it last night, and the cinema was full of Hispanic Americans.
Do you think they understand what's going on?
This is resonating really well with the Hispanic community, and we've obviously, you know, we knew it would to an extent, so we have spent some marketing dollars there.
But over 30% of the audience showing up right now is Hispanic, and it's a beautiful thing to see because You know, this is a rally between both the United States being one of the number one consumers and Mexico being one of the number one providers.
And all the filmmakers on this are from Mexico.
And so it's just a beautiful, beautiful unity that we can bring together and hopefully end this.
Well, God bless you for doing what you do.
Jim, Tim, everybody else.
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Poor Chris Christie.
He says my former boss is detached from reality.
I think anybody who thinks that he's got a shot at the nomination who's at two percent, I think you may have a certain disconnection with reality.
Likewise, the president of Ukraine is in furious mood.
Why?
Because NATO isn't giving him a timeline to join the alliance.
Well, should they?
We will discuss with none other than Lord Conrad Black, And then we have amazing news.
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Uh, yes.
Conrad?
Yes, sir?
about to have Conrad on. Good. Mic's back on? Uh, yes. Mic's back on, two and a half
minutes and we have Lord Black. Conrad? Yes, sir. How are we doing? I think we're doing
I mean, I see Trump's leading DeSantis by 20 points in Florida.
I know, I know.
Maybe we could dissect what you think the paucity of his campaign is, because it's just... to be doing so poorly after being such a successful governor is so strange.
Yeah, I see.
I think...
He took a cheap shot at the Stormy Daniels thing at the beginning, and then I think he basically cooked himself as a national candidate with his six weeks for an abortion in Florida.
I mean, I don't like abortions, but even I think that that's unreasonable.
I mean, and the country won't go for it.
And to attack President Trump from the right on abortion is And there's no voters there.
The only people out there are the quacks, the clanks.
Right.
Right.
Nuts.
Nuts.
All right.
I've got your piece in front of me.
I'd like to get your take as well on Zelensky and the NATO summit.
Yeah.
Okay.
Good.
All right.
Standby.
Standby.
Do you want me to say anything about it right now?
No, no, no.
When we come back on.
We're back on in 50 seconds.
Yeah.
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He has He has been rather vociferous of late.
We played the clip yesterday of the Ukrainian president blaming President Trump for not starting the war in, for not stopping the war in Ukraine, which is a little bit peculiar given that the war didn't start until he left office.
And now we have in front of us from the Daily Mail, headlined by Jeff Earle and James Franny, Zelensky blasts NATO's absurd decision not to set a timeline for Ukraine joining the alliance.
Let us analyze the geopolitics of that statement and whether the decision should have been brought in Vilnius for a timeline with one of your favorites.
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Lord Conrad Black, welcome back.
Thank you very much, Sebastian.
So, I cut my teeth back in the 1990s on NATO issues.
I was actually in the Hungarian Ministry of Defense, assisting the newly freed republic to try and establish
itself as a NATO member.
Eventually they did by 1999.
And we were told, repeatedly by the alliance, that you have to bring something to the table.
You have to bring a contribution to the collective defense of the NATO alliance.
And it is conditions-based.
It's not just a political decision.
It is conditions-based.
How should we read the statement by the Premier in Kiev that he's angered that the rest of the alliance members, along with President Biden, are refusing to issue some invitation or even a timeline today in Vilnius?
Look, I think we have to respect the position he's in.
He's in a country that's been invaded, fighting for its life.
And we all respect that, and I think almost all the NATO countries, some more than others, have demonstrated tangibly their respect and support for that.
But the larger picture obliges us, as an alliance, to have an additional objective.
The first objective is to do everything we reasonably can to assure that Ukraine succeeds in establishing its absolute legitimacy As an independent country, though not necessarily in the frontiers of the old Ukrainian Republic of the USSR, but not completely unrecognizable frontiers either.
But our other objective has to be to avoid doing things that permanently push Russia into the arms of the Chinese.
The one geopolitical nightmare that we have here In fact, we had two.
One was the one we acted against, that if Russia simply devoured Ukraine, it would effectively take back much of what it lost in our great bloodless victory at the end of the Cold War and they would be well on their way back to being the much greater entity they were as the Soviet Union.
And they would show that the Western alliance was falling apart and that we're all cowards.
But the other one is, if Russia gets completely into the arms of China, you're going to end up with 30 or 40 million surplus Chinese moving, by agreement, under royalty into Siberia and extracting the resources from Siberia that would make China geopolitically infinitely stronger than it now is.
So we want to maintain A respectable relationship with Russia.
That's not a euphemism for making concessions to them.
It's certainly not a euphemism for letting them have Ukraine.
But it's all very nice for Zelensky to take this position, but it's in our interest in the West, and ultimately in his interest, not to have an absolute, permanent, irremediable, incurable antagonism with Russia that pushes them into the arms of China.
And isn't there just, I'm sure it's of no succor to those in Ukraine, but there's a pretty obvious issue here that to make a member a country that is actually at war right now and doesn't control all of its territory would seem absurd.
I mean, you're letting Ukraine in when they don't even control Crimea.
I mean, it just seems silly.
Well, not only that, what he really wants and what that would amount to is All of NATO is saying, right, an attack upon one is an attack upon all.
We're under attack and therefore we have an open-ended commitment, open-ended, to defend the borders of Ukraine as it was, as those borders were when Ukraine was a member of the Soviet Union.
Well, we can't do that.
You can't ask, you know, you can't ask Canada and Turkey and, you know, all these countries Spain and Portugal, Greece, I mean there's nothing to do with them, what exactly what the frontiers of Ukraine are.
Now I understand Zelensky and his government want to bring us in, we understand, but I mean we are helping them and he does acknowledge that, but you know we have to make up, we as an alliance have to make up our own policy and you're quite right, we'll entertain an application from Ukraine when it's no longer at war.
You have your latest piece for the New York Sun.
Let's shift our azimuth with a surprisingly, I won't say it's pro-administration, but it's a little bit of a lighter touch when it comes to the Hunter Biden potential scandal and the cocaine baggie in the White House.
Talk to us first about, let's stay on the issue of the war.
Criticism from the left as well regarding the cluster munitions provision to Ukraine by the Biden White House.
I'm sorry, what?
The cluster munitions you write about in your latest piece.
I agree with Biden on this one.
I think, I mean, I understand the argument that Fareed Zakaria put up on his program the other day about how You know, how can he advance these weapons to Ukraine when we condemn them as inhumane and completely unsuitable in the hands of the Russians?
Well, that's precisely the point.
The Russians are using these weapons against the Ukrainians, and we're trying to assist the Ukrainians by selling or giving them the weapons that they can use to take back what is rightfully theirs.
And we can't really, in my opinion, ask them to do it with Distinctly inferior weapons to those of the people who have wrongfully invaded them.
And, I mean, I don't like those weapons either, but the other side has them, so our friends, the Ukrainians, should have them also.
I mean, here I think the President's right, and there's no time to back down to the Russians and take this line of, alright, you can kill all the Ukrainians you want, we won't give them A comparable or parallel weapon to defend our country with.
We can't do that, in my opinion.
I think the President's right.
You also touch upon in your article the potential overreaction to the cocaine in the White House story.
Well, yeah, maybe I'm missing something, Sebastian, but look, huge numbers of people go into the White House every week, tourists and visitors of all kinds, as well as the people who work there.
And the fact... I mean, look, it's obviously an embarrassing and an unacceptable thing that somebody brought cocaine into the White House, but I wouldn't conclude from that.
I'm not concluding anything.
It may be that somebody prominent, even a family member or something, although I think that's unlikely, did it.
But I don't think we can conclude in advance that a member of the administration is committing a hard drug crime in the White House just because of that finding.
I think we all want to know You know, find out who did it with all the cameras there and so on.
You think you'd be able to determine that, and I'd be suspicious, as I'm sure millions of others would, if they don't come up with any finding.
But I don't think we should jump to the conclusion, oh, Hunter was, you know, taking cocaine in that particular place or something.
I mean, I just don't think that's fair.
And look, I'm no whitewasher of the administration, but I think we want to be careful to keep fair standards here.
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Uh, she's a good person.
Sometimes, yeah.
But I haven't heard anything about this one yet.
I'm curious to see what they say, how your readers respond.
As anyone who reads my stuff knows, I'm extremely critical of this administration.
I think it's essentially a failure as an administration in almost all policy areas.
But I think we want to avoid, in general, just never recognising anything that an administration we basically don't like does that we
actually agree with.
And I, as I say, I would be quite strenuous in defending the administration for sending
these weapons to, cluster bomb weapons to Ukraine.
And I was myself surprised that Biden did it.
And I didn't think he would.
Not only that, the fact that he admitted live on air that we're running short of 155mm munitions
in America.
Look, we're running short of a lot of things.
And the answer to that is to increase our production and acquisition of ammunition of
all kinds, munitions of all kinds.
That is the answer to it.
Not to sit there praying that we don't get, you know, an additional need for those munitions.
I mean, if you want peace, prepare for war.
Yep.
Servus, Pace, Parabellum!
Yeah, absolutely.
All right, I'd like to talk a little bit about the weaponization of the DOJ with this individual who was charged yesterday, this Israeli U.S.
national, Gal Luft.
Have you been following that?
Not too closely.
Right.
I'll summarize it.
Let's talk about it.
Yeah, I'll summarize it.
And then what else is important?
What else do we have?
Good cuts here.
I need titles, by the way.
Yeah, what do you need titles for?
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Did I mention a cut here?
Uh, well, you wanted to use Zelensky, and then you decided not to use Zelensky.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm probably gonna use, uh, Christy.
Christy, yeah, cut.
Cut six.
You wanted to tee it up.
Yeah, I'll tee it up.
All right.
Okay, AMAC at the top.
Okay, good.
All right, 60 seconds, Conrad.
Yep.
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Lord Black, it was just, I think, what day is it today?
Tuesday.
It may have been Friday, if I remember well.
Friday and Saturday that this individual from an undisclosed location, Gal Luft, a joint U.S.-Israeli citizen, gave an interview in which he said back in 2019 he had approached the FBI with proof of the Biden clan being involved for pay-to-play schemes,
involving the communist government in China, involving CFCC, this Chinese energy company,
which he had represented abroad.
And we find out late last night, Lord Black, that 72 hours after giving that interview,
Biden's Department of Justice has slapped this individual with federal FARA violations
and arms trafficking.
As they say in D.C., there are no coincidences, are there?
I'm afraid not.
It certainly doesn't.
It doesn't look good.
But it's indeed, if it is as bad as it appears, it is something that everybody in the country
should be alarmed about.
I mean, this is a politicized, it looks transparently like the politicized use of the Department of Justice.
And direct, absolutely undisguised, brazen interventions to silence criticism.
It's a throttle-free speech and legitimate opposition.
Where does this go?
Because we have a year and a half ahead of us.
Is it just, you know, up comes a whistleblower from the IRS and then another one and at the same time Hunter Biden gets a slap on the wrist, two misdemeanors.
Up comes somebody with receipts of real corruption and then he gets charged.
Is this just what we should expect in America?
No, of course not.
It's precisely what we should not tolerate, let alone expect.
And now, if I actually have a case against this guy, and it isn't just, you know, an effort to shut him down at the approach of an election, if I have a case, then it obviously begs the question why they didn't bring the charge in a less conspicuous time, you know?
I mean, he's been Presumably that didn't suddenly come upon the evidence after he made the utterances he did.
And if it is simply, this guy spoke out, spoke his conscience, said what he saw, therefore we're charging him and throttling him, then it's unfortunately just an indication of a problem that You and I and lots of your other guests have talked about for a long time in these programs and elsewhere, but in a much more advanced and shameless and brazen condition than I had thought.
I mean, you know, up till now they've sort of snuck around and tried to pretend that they had some tincture of genuine legality in what they're doing, but if they just, you know, Charging anyone who speaks out against them.
It's a menace to democracy.
Well, that is a perfect segue.
It's as if you were looking at my cut sheet of audio actualities.
The threat to democracy.
The former governor of New Jersey has a very peculiar take on what the actual threat to our country is.
This is Chris Christie on MSNBC Cutsix.
You think he's a danger to the country?
Well, I don't want him to be president.
So, yeah.
I mean, you know, the fact is that he's a guy who has shown, over the course of time, and even more particularly, I'd say, Mike, in his post-presidency, that he is detached from reality.
The man who's garnering less than 2% in the favorability polls for the nomination, you could say he's detached from reality, but Chris Christie, a putative conservative, is calling President Trump the threat to reality, Lord Black.
Yeah, well I agree with what you just said.
I think the parties involved in that, in that difference of views, the one most clearly detached from reality is this chronically overweight, thoroughly discredited ex-governor, polling in minor single digits for a campaign for the nomination for which, in effect, he has announced his only motive is to derail the former president because of his being under-recognized when he was the president.
And I think, in fairness, I thought Christie had his moments as governor.
It ended badly, but I thought he was a competent governor who did some good things.
And New Jersey's had terrible problems with misgovernment from both parties.
But I think he is a ludicrous, embittered, totally implausible figure.
He thinks he's a sort of torpedo, a human torpedo aimed at the ex-president, and he's just a floundering whale.
But what do these people imagine?
I mean, the likes of Christie or Hutchinson?
I mean, are they just deluded, or do they think they'll get a cabinet position in a DeSantis administration?
I with Christie it's a sour grapes thing. He's just out to throw muck at Trump because I mean I don't know this, but I
think it's quite plausible that what one hears is true, namely that he was in line to get something and then he was
disqualified because of the role he played in prosecuting the ex-president's daughter's father-in-law, Kushner's father.
and and uh...
In the case of Hutchison, I think that guy just has an ego problem.
I mean, you know, a former governor, Bill Clinton was the president, a former governor, Huckabee was a candidate for president, but not a very successful one, but not a ridiculous one.
So he'll give it a go.
And I think Asa Hutchison just has an oversized ego.
I mean, he thinks he's a frightfully important original person.
And he's a completely indistinguishable, nondescript run-of-the-mill Small state governor.
As we used to say in Hungary, these people could very easily commit suicide by jumping off their egos onto their IQs.
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music Just because he was retiring as governor and it was obvious he was encouraging him to run for president and you know for the nomination and so as a friend he sort of had him on there and he was such an able man this would be a great thing and so I just have never seen it he strikes me as a smug
Yes.
platitudinous, completely nondescript figure. I mean, I'll give him this, at least he's
running unlike Sununu, who I think is a very good governor and sort of an
engaging man when you hear him. He does nothing but say Trump can't win,
but he is leading Governor Sununu in his home state by 35 points.
So who's he to say that, you know?
Right.
Utterly.
Utterly.
I'll never understand.
But, Sebastian, you know, and most of your listeners know, there's no game like politics to get people to just display an absolutely mad egotism.
Yeah.
But it's something I just can't relate to, you know?
We're in the real world and we have to make our way in normal... But how do these people function?
I mean, how do you get up in the morning and actually function as a human being when you seem so utterly detached from reality?
That is a $64 question.
I think, frankly, a lot of them don't function very well.
Take Christie.
Everybody, Rupert Murdoch, Henry Kissinger, Nancy Reagan, all of them told him to run for president in 2012.
Yeah, correct, correct.
he didn't do it and his time passed and and and uh... you know that's what
happens to that that opportunity only knocks once correct correct
right super fun anyway
look uh... i still think it's looking good for ourselves Well, I mean, yes, until they put him in prison.
But, you know, they clearly haven't read the Constitution, which means even a felon can be the president.
But they will deploy everything!
Yeah, but he can defer any trial until after the election, though.
Oh, yes, I hope so.
I hope so.
I speak as a non-practicing lawyer.
You just go through the book of practice and take every dilatory procedure available.
You can hold these things up for a very long time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, it's looking really good.
And when he does these, I hate the phrase, what do they call them?
Retail politics.
I don't like that phrase.
But when he does, when he goes to that fast food restaurant at the weekend and, you know, And he just, you see the adulation and the joy in the average American's face and that we just don't have politicians who garner that.
Look, as Henry Kissinger said, he came here in 1938 with his family, he said, in all my time in this country, the only person running for president who could pull crowds like him was Roosevelt, and that was before television.
He said Eisenhower could pull fairly good crowds, and Reagan could, but not like this.
Yeah, no, it's stunning.
You know where I really saw that was in the Kentucky Derby two derbies ago.
When they announced his presence at Churchill Downs and 160,000 people cheered for about five minutes.
I have to jump.
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God bless.
Thank you.
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Here's looking at you, Snowflake.
America first.
You know, it's never been said that I suffer from a small ego.
That would be weird, given that I'm six foot three and rather large.
But even then, I just were chatting in the break with Lord Black and the ego of these people.
I mean, the Chris Christie's, the Asa Hutchinson's, the John Bolton's.
Who else is there, Eric?
What other losers are there out there who think they can be president?
That, uh, former CIA guy, Will Hurd.
Oh, well, he's a plant.
We know he's a distraction.
What other former politician... Oh, Sununu was, like, didn't have the balls to actually run, right?
Did he ever announce and then retract it, or what was he saying?
Like, oh, I'll think about it?
He teased it, then ultimately decided he was not going to run.
Unbelievable.
I don't get these people.
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Listen, your interview with the Angel Studios executive inspired me to suggest a t-shirt.
Yes, go ahead.
And the t-shirt that I would like to suggest is, Don't Be a Weinstein Epstein Apologist, Sound of Freedom.
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I don't think we could say Sound of Freedom because we'd have to talk to Mr. Harmon and get their permission to use the name, but I like this idea.
Jeff, have you ever heard anybody connect Epstein and Weinstein together?
No, but they should be.
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I counter Lord Black's position that we should immediately jump to the conclusion that Hunter Biden is the source of the coke on two points.
Number one, we know he's a sociopath, and sociopaths always have a long history of some sort of addiction with relapses, okay?
And all people in that position also, as we know, are risk takers.
And there's There's the picture of him driving 172 miles an hour in the Corvette.
Yeah.
Why shouldn't he?
Porsche, Porsche, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
It was his Porsche, don't you know?
The daddy has the Corvette, Chris.
Well, you saw the picture of him.
Yeah, in his Porsche, doing 172 miles an hour, taking selfies, taking selfies, absolutely.
And look, at the end of the day, we know, it's like Darrell Issa said, what did he say?
He said, it's weird, we haven't had cocaine, we haven't had hard drugs in the White House, in the President's residence for 247 years, and then Joe Biden is elected, quote unquote, And then we find cocaine.
How strange.
Not really.
Thank you, Chris.
Let's go to Joe in Illinois, line three.
Dr. D, Chris Christie is the character in the Austin Powers movie.
Oh, yes, the Scottish guy.
Get in my belly.
Did you see him sitting on the beach with his family?
You mean when the whole beaches were shut down?
I heard Joe.
How about this?
Jeff told me that he's had lap band surgery.
He's actually had the thing that what's-his-face had, Al Sharpton.
And he's still gargantuan!
It's just disgusting!
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I want to say Arkansas, but I could be wrong.
No, Nebraska.
Nebraska, that's who I knew.
And of course, she's a guest on Cavuto Show!
How can you be a senator?
One of the hundred most powerful people in the world, and nobody's ever heard of you.
What does that mean about you?
Some people, maybe some people just like being low-key.
I'm not saying that's her case.
But you can't be, you can't be doing the job you're supposed to do for your constituents if you're low-key.
I'm sorry, it's not just a media thing.
If you're out there fighting for your constituents, you gotta have to make waves.
Am I wrong?
Not in this day and age.
Jeff, help me out!
Back me up!
You would think, but no.
Because once they get in the office... But am I being illogical?
Can you adequately represent your constituents by hiding?
But think about this.
You get some rhinos that come in there and they give you the soundbites to act like they're conservatives.
Yeah.
It's mostly conservatives.
There's very few total rhinos that have that, that actually express that opinion that you see on TV because they don't want you to know what their real opinions are.
That's what I mean.
That's what I mean.
She's a rhino because she's on Cavuto's show and nobody knows who she is because she doesn't want people to know who she is.
Exactly.
I just wish ideally we could go back to an age when politicians like Calvin Coolidge were just so low key.
Like he literally, he knew his job was to just shut up and stay in the White House and not do anything.
I just want to go back to an age of duels.
I think duels would be fun, because the people who could shoot well would win.
Unironically, I do wish the Congress was more entertaining.
Like, you see, like, the British Parliament, where they all, like, yell at each other.
I love that.
That'd be funny.
Trump should bring that back if he's back in office.
Trump, like, once every six weeks goes and just talks to all of them.
That would be so funny.
Like, AOC and stuff.
Yes!
Because she likes to fact check in real time.
I'd like to see her do that.
Oh, that would be hilarious.
Alright, what have we not played?
We've got to do Navarro.
We've got to do Hostin.
We've done Christie.
We played Biden.
Or, uh, Gutfeld.
We played Gutfeld.
Wallace!
Oh, we gotta do Wallace!
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So, they're so angry!
Why are they so angry?
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Really?
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Because he smoked cigars the whole time.
But it's good for the voice.
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We've got some callers on the line, but we've got to listen to Nicole Wallace.
She allegedly was a Republican, but she's She's so angry now!
She works for MSNBC and she's so angry at the Democrats in the Senate.
I wonder why?
Let's listen.
The Democrats control the Senate.
Why isn't there a committee investigating?
I mean, yes, Kelly has information, but who does he give it to if not subpoenaed to testify?
What else is in his notes?
Why aren't there Senate investigations into Jared Kushner's business deals when he left the White House?
I imagine a lot of people have a lot of notes about things that Jared Kushner said and did while he was in the White House.
Why isn't there an effort to haul out anyone who might have heard Donald Trump talk about using any branch of government against Strzok, Page, McCabe, Comey?
I mean, he is not just a candidate for president now, but he's someone who corrupted large swaths of the federal government, and I'm not sure that we've ever had a full accounting for all the damage he did.
Jeff, why is she so angry?
I mean, she's a Republican.
Why does she get so angry?
Because the investigation into Biden is starting to stick.
Oh, I think you've got it.
I worked in the White House, and I kind of missed it.
What were the large swaths of government that President Trump corrupted to use against his enemies?
Give me one.
Well, they investigated him every day since he went to office, so I think they would have figured that out if he did.
But, Eric, am I missing something?
A large swath of government that he corrupted to target his enemies?
You mean like the IRS, like the FBI, the NSA, the CIA?
Oh no, those targeted him, so what am I missing?
If anything, she sounds more like Ron DeSantis.
He also claimed that Trump's agencies targeted conservatives with big tech and whatnot.
The similarities are quite frightening to me at this point.
It's all so very strange.
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Let's go to Alan Cleveland, line one.
Yeah, Trump.
24.
All the way.
Thank you, buddy.
But that's not why you called, right?
No, not.
But I just wanted to add that.
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Okay, well, you won a nomination for the combination of Weinstein and Epstein, and I think it should be Whitestein.
Whitestein.
W-I-P-E-S-T-E-I-N.
Okay, I don't need a combination when it comes to their name.
I need a good image for these diabolical people.
That's what I really need.
But thank you.
Annabelle, California, line two.
Barca, how are you?
Good.
Fabulous.
Well, I just, like everyone, try to combine them.
I keep thinking of Meryl Streep calling Harvey Weinstein God all the time.
Harvey's God.
She did that?
She called him God?
All the time.
She'd say, oh, Harvey's God.
And Salivator.
Actually, she'd do something else, I'm not going to say.
But anyway, it's disgusting.
And they're all disgusting.
So why can't we just say something simple like, defeat the Democrats, the party of Weinstein and Epstein.
Oh, I like that.
Hang on, hang on.
Let me send that to my guy.
And then you can put, you know, defeat the Dems.
They are the party of Epstein and Weinstein.
Epstein and Weinstein.
That is actually very good.
I like that, my dear.
We're getting close.
We're getting close.
Let's go to Al in the Commonwealth of Virginia.
Hey, how you doing?
Great show, Sebastian.
I just want to go back to DeSantis for a moment.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm a big Trump guy.
But DeSantis, one thing no one ever says about him, at least I don't hear it.
It's how easy he has it as governor of Florida that has a veto-proof legislature.
Yes!
When you've got every house and you're the governor, how hard can it be, Al?
Exactly!
But, you know, no one pushes back.
He goes, I do this, I do this.
Yeah, wait till you go up against a Congress that's maybe not in your favor.
You've got one or two Republicans on your side.
How are you going to be able to do things?
So I think that's a little deceptive on his part to talk about all these great topics.
And not only that, when he says, you know, I would not have allowed the deep state to attack me.
And you're thinking, hang on a second.
Do you have a CIA in Florida?
You know, do you have a Floridian FBI that's trying to undermine?
Do you have a Floridian NSA?
He has nothing of that.
He's got the House.
He's got the Senate.
He's got the governor's mansion.
And he's saying that he's the guy who's going to fix it all.
I think you're right, Al.
I think it demonstrates disingenuous.
And just like, I mean, if you were watching us on Rumble, you heard a discussion in the break with Lord Black, what he did after the Alvin Bragg indictment of President Trump, when he made jokes about hush money for porn stars, not once, but twice in the same press conference, and then says, it's nothing to do with me, despite the fact that President Trump is a resident of the state of which he is governor, I came up with the phrase, honor deficit, Al.
There is a distinct Deficit of honor when it comes to the governor of Florida.
And it needn't have been this way.
And I think, I don't know if he can dig himself out of that hole.
Thank you, Al.
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All right, hang on, what haven't we played?
We did Wallace.
Play me Reid again, cut seven.
It does feel like, okay, I'm just going to give you myself as an example.
I'm somebody who, I stopped using Twitter quite a long time ago.
I don't tweet, I don't want to give Elon any content, but every so often I would check it just as an aggregator, just to see if there's any news in there in between the Nazi tweets.
After a while, I stopped doing that because it's like, I don't want to have to read through Nazi crap just to see what's in the news.
Threads, since that has launched, there's, to me, there's no reason to check Twitter anymore.
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How bad is the left?
How disgusting is the left?
This is how disgusting they are.
They're even taking on a little girl, a grandchild of the president, and saying, No!
She's not the grandchild of the president.
Listen to the logic.
Cut 9's Sonny Hostin on The View.
Apparently this was sort of more of a one night stand.
It wasn't like they had a relationship.
He was in the throes of addiction when this woman became pregnant.
And she is posting pictures of the baby, like with an Air Force One cap and at the Jefferson Memorial.
And so she is sort of trying to, I don't know, wedge herself into the family.
And I don't think that's the right way to do it.
And I agree.
I mean, this is Hunter's issue.
Wedge herself into the family.
No, no, no.
It was Hunter Biden that wedged himself into her mother at that strip club.
And now it's not Biden's grandchild.
You're filth.
You're disgusting.
Using a little child as a weapon you can just jettison?
That's who the left is.
Let's go to Atlanta.
Line three.
Tom, welcome to America First.
Hey Sebastian, thanks for taking my call.
Sure.
Nicole Wallace and most everything that comes out of the sinister left is confession by projection.
Yes.
Now that's not original, so I have to give credit to someone else.
I can't remember who it was, but I have it on the radio.
Well, Dennis Prager talks about it a lot.
He says whatever the left is accusing you of doing, they're doing themselves.
But, you know, unpack it, Tom.
All right, so what Nicole Wallace just said, I mean, if you just change the names to unpack the guilty and put Biden wherever they say Trump, put left wherever they say right, then you know what's going on.
And so if I may, with your indulgence, Sebastian, they're creepy and they're spooky.
They make me feel so pukey.
I can't wait till they I totally messed that up.
Don't worry, we know what you're referring to, a classic of American TV.
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is a national emergency, I ask that you please be patient.
I ask that you please be patient.
Did the FBI have confidential human sources embedded within the January 6th protesters
on January 6th?
Well, Congressman, as I'm sure you can appreciate, I have to be very careful about what I can say about when.
Even now, because that's what you told us two years ago.
May I finish?
About when we do and do not and where we have and have not used confidential human sources.
But to the extent that there's a suggestion, for example, that the FBI's confidential human sources or FBI employees in some way instigated or orchestrated January 6th, that's categorically false.
Did you have confidential human sources dressed as Trump supporters inside the Capitol on January 6th prior to the doors being opened?
Again, I had to be very careful.
It should be a no.
Can you not tell the American people?
No.
We did not have confidential human sources dressed as Trump supporters positioned inside the Capitol.
Gentlemen's time has expired.
You should not read anything into my decision not to share information.
Director Wray, gentlemen's time has expired.
It should be a very simple question to answer for the director of the FBI, Christopher Wray.
Did you have undercover assets dressed as Trump supporters on January 6th?
If you can't answer the question, I think we know the answer to the question.
And then we have to posit another one.
Was it an event provoked by people who are in the pay of the U.S.
government?
Is that what the FBI has sunken to?
Let us discuss one-on-one with a special guest.
We've had him on the show briefly previously, but now we have the luxury of the whole hour, FBI whistleblower George Hill.
Welcome back to America First.
Hey, good afternoon.
Good to be here.
Well, thanks for joining us.
Let's, for those who missed the first time you came on the show, would you just give us a little introduction to your career in the the Puzzle Palace, the Wilderness of Mirrors that is national security serving the nation and how you ended up at the FBI?
Sure.
So my journey started in the Marine Corps, believe it or not, where I did 13 years active duty and I had a About a nine-year hiatus in the private sector and went back into the Navy's reserve intel program prior to 9-11 and got mobilized three times during that fun-filled 13 years and was recruited by the National Security Agency and joined that outfit in 2005.
And due to some personal changes in the household, I had to move to Massachusetts, whereupon I joined the FBI as the National Security Intelligence Supervisor for the Boston Field Office.
So we had all four states had counterterrorism, cyber and counterintelligence for over nine years.
And then my last two years or so, a little bit more than two years, I was with doing gangs and drugs.
That didn't sound good, but you know what I mean.
I do know what you mean.
That is a very, very impressive resume, Mr. Hill.
So let's talk about your status today.
Why did you end up as an FBI whistleblower?
Could you tell us how your life changed and what it is that triggered that change?
Sure.
I would love to be able to reach around and pat myself on the back and dislocate my shoulder,
but that would be totally undeserved.
I picked up the phone and called Congressman Jordan's office after the .edu threat tag
I was already retired by that time.
All right, let's stop there.
We'll continue with the phone call to Jim Jordan's office.
The threat, the edu threat tag, will not be familiar to most Americans.
We've discussed it here with your fellow FBI whistleblower, Carl Serafin.
Let's put this story on hold for a second.
What is the EDU threat tag inside the FBI.
Let's start with what is a threat tag.
So it's a mechanism in Sentinel, which is the FBI's system of record that records everything.
You know, everything in there has a chain of custody to it, and it goes up to the level of secret.
And it's the database from which all metrics are pulled from.
So when the Department of Justice And asked for the, I think it was the NEA, National Education, one of those associations, to send us a letter telling us your concerns about people going to Parent Teachers Association meetings and getting upset with the curriculum.
So the whole thing was orchestrated from the DOJ, and they tried to make it look like it was the Education Association that was asking for help.
And they created this threat tag whereby to vector resources into parent-teacher meetings and actually charge some of these people as domestic terrorists just because they had a difference of opinion on whether or not, say, the LGBTQ agenda should be in grade school libraries.
So this is, let's make it clear what's happening right here, this is analogous to a tag, a descriptor for another kind of threat, whether you're a terrorist, whether you're an organized crime gang member, whether you're a foreign intelligence agent working on U.S.
soil.
This is creating a threat tag for parents who are just speaking up at school board meetings.
Exactly.
And the FBI was founded by lawyers and accountants.
Everything is about metrics.
And so they use Sentinel and these threat tags to record activity, to vector resources, meaning personnel and most importantly money, to go after parents.
Right, so it's a way to actually justify expenditure and to acquire additional budgets.
All right, so that's what a threat tag is.
This is the application of a threat against innocent Americans' parents at school board meetings.
So that's the context.
And then you reach out to Chairman Jordan, Jim Jordan's office.
Why?
Yeah, that was my final straw.
And I would love to be able to, like I said, pat myself on the back.
I don't deserve it.
I left the FBI retired knowing what happened with Bank of America and the investigations subsequent to January 6th and all the shenanigans that was coming out of WFO Washington Field Office and DTOS, Domestic Terrorism Operations Center, or section.
And I thought to myself, you know what, this eventually will see the light of day.
It's just so egregious, it could not stand without some scrutiny from oversight.
And it became clear to me shortly thereafter leaving the Bureau that that wasn't going to happen.
And then when the .edu threat tag came out, it became crystal clear to me that none of this is going to see the light of day and that nobody, unless somebody, and that had to be me, picked up the phone and raised it to Congress.
All right.
So you mentioned Bank of America, for those who aren't familiar with it.
What, Mr. Hill, were you witnessing with regards to one of the biggest banking institutions in the nation?
Sure.
So Bank of America took it upon themselves to data mine their customer base of any person who has a Bank of America product, whether that be a debit card or credit card, who either travel to the D.C.
area on or about January 5th or use that card any time between the 5th and the 7th of January in the greater D.C.
area.
So that includes Nova, Northern Virginia, you know, the area outside of D.C.
and Maryland.
And they data mined that list and they generated it without anyone from the FBI asking them that we know of.
And then they further sorted that list.
And if anyone on that list already from that initial poll bought a firearm at any time using a Bank of America product would go to the top of the list.
And then they cut leads, which we're going back to Sentinel again, which is a system of record and leads are how the, you know, the FBI communicates and sends out work to be done, whether it be intra office or within the bureau across any one of the field offices.
And that lead was sent to the Boston field office with I think somewhere in the neighborhood of about seven names that they had called off of that master spreadsheet said, hey, you need to open up.
All right, we'll stop the story there.
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The SSA for CT2 said, happy to do it.
Show us where they were inside the Capitol, and we'll look into it.
To which WFO said, we can't show you those videos unless you can tell us the exact time and place those individuals were inside the Capitol.
To which the SSA responded back, and I was privy to these conversations firsthand, why can't you show us Why can't you just give us access to the 11,000 hours of video that's available?
Because there may be UC's undercover officers or CHS's confidential human sources on those videos whose identity we need to protect.
There you have it.
Undercover assets.
His identity has to be protected.
Testimony from our one-on-one guest, George Hill, FBI whistleblower.
Mr. Hill, let's finish off what you were saying about Bank of America.
So Bank of America ...collects data of its own initiative, of its customers who happened to travel to the greater Washington area on January 6, cross-references that with any of those individuals who use a Bank of America device to purchase a firearm, and then what did they do with the information?
They send it to the field offices as leads, so... Unbidden?
Without a request?
No, there was no... I mean, look, the FBI injects tips all the time.
But they're tips based on someone having witnessed or having a strong suspicion that a crime has been committed.
What Bank of America did is just said, hey, if you were in the D.C.
area, we're going to pull your name and send it unrequested to the FBI.
That hasn't been proven yet.
Now, Jordan and... Oh, gosh.
The other representative sent a letter... Coma.
Is the chairman coma?
No, it wasn't Comer.
Hang on a minute.
I have it right here.
Let me just pull it up.
Massey, Thomas Massey.
Yes.
So Jordan and Massey sent a letter on 25th of May to Bank of America, you know, and I'm not going to go into the letter and read it here, but to follow up on it because in the letter it shows where another field office actually did receive, also received a list.
So with, Well over 100 names on the list.
It's hard to believe that only two field offices got those names.
Obviously other field offices got it and they'll have to hopefully that'll come out as the investigations proceed.
But they yeah.
So again unrequested.
But what we don't know is and we've already seen evidence of retired FBI personnel being embedded throughout Silicon Valley.
Bank of America is also headquartered in San Francisco.
So they're in the neighborhood.
We don't know if somebody from Bank of America, who was a former FBI, just took it upon themselves to send a list.
We don't know if somebody from DTOS, Domestic Terrorism Operations Section, asked for the list.
We don't know any of that.
What was the genesis behind the list?
The basis of it, it has no basis.
There's no legal predication here that A crime may have been committed.
It's simply a matter of... Right, right.
You may have been visiting your aunt in Maryland and then afterwards gone home and bought a hunting rifle for deer season and then suddenly you're on some list that's been sent to the FBI for a domestic terrorism potential investigation.
Clarify for us, so you said at the beginning that you'd already retired from the FBI.
Why did you, I presume you had concerns when you were still there, but you didn't raise them.
What made you raise these concerns and become a whistleblower after you had separated from the Bureau?
Yeah, like I said, I mean, I'm embarrassed to admit, you know, I assumed in all the dangers that that entails, that somebody, that this would, this egregious violation by Bank of America and what was going on after January 6th, would see the light of day.
And it became crystal clear to me that that was not going to happen unless somebody picked up the phone and called someone.
And at that time, Congressman Jordan was the minority representative on the House Judiciary Committee.
And I didn't think that Jerry Nadler was going to give me an audience.
So That's why I did it. Oh yes, that makes sense. So after the
midterms with the Republicans taking control of the House and chairmanships being handed over to
the likes of Jordan and Comer, you thought now there would actually be a point to doing it.
That makes sense.
Let's talk about the clip we opened the show with Mr Hill.
Why would the director of the FBI refuse to answer the question in House testimony as to whether they were undercover assets of the Bureau disguised as Trump supporters on January 6th?
Why is that not an easy question to deny or to affirm?
I don't want to speculate because that was never part of my career path.
What I do know is that the way when FBI senior executives, especially the director, answers questions regarding undercovers and confidential human sources, the way they answer it indicates whether or not some of those confidential human sources or UCs may be from other agencies.
And if they're strictly FBI assets, they answer it A different way.
The way Ray answered that question from that representative is that the manner in which he answered and the wording he used indicates to me that there were other agencies involved.
That's fascinating.
And given that this is a domestic event occurring on U.S.
soil, again, this isn't analyzing concrete intelligence, it's just given the fact that you've been in the business for decades, what kind of agencies could we be talking about?
My biggest concern is Homeland Security Investigations, who is supposed to be tied to CBPT, Customs and Border Patrol, and they are in everything without any They don't have the statutory authority to go into the areas that they're already in.
So they're in counterintelligence, counterterrorism, cyber.
They are a mere organization in the FBI, albeit a little bit smaller, a little bit younger, and without a domestic investigations operations guide.
So And they don't report to the Department of Justice, so they are completely unconstrained, and they are the largest intelligence agency in the world because they hoover up everything within the Department of Homeland Security.
Yeah, this is very important.
Let's unpack that for just 30 seconds.
The DIOG that I heard a lot when I was working with the FBI is the manual, if you will, for the procedures you are allowed to use on U.S.
soil investigating crimes, whatever Right.
Correct.
They're completely unconstrained.
whether it's espionage, whether it's counterterrorism, whether it's criminal,
there's a manual, but there is no manual of how to do that because DHS isn't
supposed to be running around like counterintelligence officers in the
United States, so we created after 9-11 to stop terrorism, correct? Correct,
they're completely unconstrained. They're the cowboys of federal law
enforcement.
I think your very reasoned analysis of Director Wray's answer is probably the most likely.
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So, Mr. Hill, you've got decades and decades of experience in uniform, out of uniform, in various intelligence capacities, working for the U.S.
government.
Whilst it was only the latter half of your career that was spent With the FBI, when you were at the NSA, you must have dealt with them and so on and so forth.
Can you help me identify, because this for me is a really interesting question, because it was an honor for me to work with the Bureau for years and years prior to joining the White House, and then I realized This bureau is not yesterday's bureau.
When did the change occur?
Many put the blame on the non-FBI former lawyers who flooded in, like Comey, like McCabe, like Stroke, who brought a DC slimeball, you know, we're going to use this for our own purposes attitude.
Others put it far more older than that.
They say when George Bush W. said, To the then-director of the FBI, to...
Not Freed.
Who came after Freed?
Who did the... Muller.
Bob Muller said, it is now your job after 9-11 to prevent the next 9-11, not to investigate it.
Then the FBI changes into an intelligence organization, not a police organization.
You were inside the building, you were inside these various agencies.
When did the rot begin to set in, Mr. Hill?
I anticipated this question, so I'm going to try to be as succinct as possible.
No need.
We have time.
We have time.
Well, I don't want to lose your listeners and viewers because this is very important.
This started right after September 11th, when George Bush called in Bob Mueller to Camp David and said, Bob, I know you're going to find the guys who did this.
How are you going to stop the next one?
And that was the genesis.
That was, you know, the conception That gave birth to what we now know is today's FBI, which has transitioned, to use the current vernacular, into an intelligence agency.
And why is that a bad thing?
Well, let's just use history as our guide.
A domestic intelligence agency serves no one but the government.
Period.
Show me another example in history where a domestic intelligence agency actually serves the public for the public good and public safety.
They may try to spin it as public safety or for the public good, but there is nothing in history where a domestic intelligence agency has only served its master, the government that created it.
And how does that change the culture over time?
I mean, the obvious thing is everybody's FBI email changes to, you know, johnsmith at fbi.gov.ic, meaning intelligence community at the end of the email.
But if you go from investigating crimes and bringing cases against people to be prosecuted to becoming domestic Spying agency.
What does that do to the culture of the organization, Mr. Hill?
So again, we need to back up a little bit and go to mechanics.
So when the FBI, the 9-11 Commission report, when that came out and there was a lot of debate whether or not to have a domestic standalone intelligence agency, similar to MI5, or to create a domestic intelligence capability and lash it up to the FBI.
So the FBI increased in size by about 45% in response to the 9-11 Commission report.
And they got a job series called 0132.
And they got 63 senior executive positions.
So the gravy train started to flow like Niagara Falls during a rainy season.
And that was the beginning of the transition into an intelligence agency.
They hired Maureen Boginski from, and I mispronounced her name, I apologize, very respected senior executive from the NSA to try to develop an FBI intelligence program.
She was unceremoniously kicked out of the Bureau.
I think within less than two years, Bob Mueller kicked her to the door.
And then they tried to do something reminiscent of what Giuliani and Bernie Kerrick did.
With the FBI called it SAPR, Statistical Analytical Program Review.
Oh, like the ComStat in New York.
Right, the ComStat, the statistics on crimes that were used by the mayor and Bernie.
Fascinating.
I've got many, many more questions.
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All right, so, wow, we're running out of time and I have so many questions for you.
All right, you're an intelligence professional, Mr. Hill.
Let me just... I don't want you to make detailed statements of substance.
I want you to give me a qualitative assessment.
Could you imagine when you were either in uniform or working as a civilian for the NSA or for the FBI?
I mean, you had this incredible role in various states running the intelligence analysis.
That the FBI would get together with the CIA and the NSA to target members of a political campaign, a presidential campaign, and try to honeypot U.S.
citizens on foreign soil, and then use, knowingly use, a manufactured, fallacious opposition research dossier No, no.
It's unfathomable.
And as I said earlier, a domestic intelligence agency only serves one master, and that's the government that created it.
Could you imagine, let's go back 10 years or 15 years.
Could you have imagined the three intelligence agencies doing that to US persons on foreign soil and on US soil?
No, no, it's unfathomable.
And as I said earlier, a domestic intelligence agency only serves one master
and that's the government that created it.
But you have the NSA, CIA and other entities involved in this manufactured intel case,
for lack of a better phrase, against a presidential candidate
and then a sitting president.
You're talking about cutting off their gravy train.
You're talking about, you know, ruining, not, I'm not, this is not done out of pity, but ending the gravy train for, you know, the hundreds of senior executives.
That stand to make, you know, more money in retirement than most people do working 40-50 hours a week.
So yeah, it doesn't surprise me at all that this would happen because Donald Trump, like any good businessman, will look at, you know, cost and profit centers and, you know, look at things relative to the Constitution and make some hard choices.
And that was not going to stand within this post 9-11 world that we live in now.
So when you look at, for example, the Bundesverfassungsschutz in Germany, that is, they're allegedly to protect the German constitution from domestic threats.
When you look at MI5 in the UK, you know, I used to enjoy, you know, giving lectures to the military and, you know, telling them, America's really weird.
America doesn't have a domestic security service.
I can't make that statement anymore.
But would you say that these are the That's the nature of the beast, that we shouldn't have turned the FBI into a VFS or into an MI5?
It was a monumental mistake.
If I was five years old and sitting on Santa Claus's lap right now, I would ask him to end this whole entire intel program that the Bureau has.
Just get rid of all of them.
Every single one of them.
And end it.
And go back to being an investigative agency.
If I could have my way.
And then what about the terrorist threat?
What about the Bush doctrine or the request to Mueller that you have to prevent the next 9-11?
What happens to that mission set?
That's a scare tactic.
Terrorism events have been declining worldwide.
Irrespective of what's going on in France, that's a whole other matter.
But every couple hundred years or so, the Islamic world goes through these cycles where you have an emergence of Wahhabists and fundamentalists that cause problems.
And we're now on the downward side of that.
And for all the criticism that the TSA gets, hardening cockpit doors and putting TSA in the airports has done more to disrupt terrorism than than the price that we're paying now, which is an erosion of constitutional protections.
And then when you, okay, that, you know, that makes sense when it comes to air travel, but what about, you know, a jihadi who walks into a, you know, the Pulse nightclub and then decides to kill people in the name of jihad?
Is that, is that the prevention of that?
Is that up to state and local law enforcement?
Do we get rid of the JTTFs, the Joint Terrorism Task Forces?
Or do we just say, that's kind of a minimal threat comparison to everything else, and it's just, we don't need to have a massive organization predicated on preventing it.
This is a slippery slope here.
Well, you know, you helped me get to this destination.
There are consequences for statements.
Look, I mean, the world's a dangerous place.
It always has been.
We can break them down case by case.
Pulse nightclub, what happened out in Colorado, the increased use of SSRIs, the almost linear relationship between the legalization of marijuana and whatever.
Psychiatric drugs, yeah.
There's a lot of things.
Look, there's 1.3 billion Muslims in the world.
If we had a Muslim problem, you'd know about it.
We don't have a Muslim problem.
We have idiot problems.
We have people who go out and do stupid things, which is one of the reasons why we have a Second Amendment.
Law enforcement has a much better taste and feel what's going on in the street.
Then somebody sitting in Hoover or the Washington field office.
That's the real point that, you know, the local law enforcement has a much better sense of what's going on in their community.
What about the catching spies mission, the CI mission, the counterintelligence mission of the FBI?
Should that be left to DOD, to other agencies, the Defense Department?
That's been completely sold out.
Yeah.
CFIUS and State Department and DOD.
Counterintelligence is nothing like what it was when I was in the Marine Corps.
Yeah.
It's all about business.
And as I look at it, we actually used to do counterintelligence.
We just don't do it anymore.
No, we don't.
We don't.
It's a really bad joke that has, you know, destroyed the security of the country and put hundreds of thousands of Americans out of jobs as technology has just walked out the door overseas.
Get into all the conversations that I had at the FBI with college professors and the like, you know, insisting that their colleagues in China were their academic friends.
The landscape has changed so much on that.
It would be laughable if it wasn't so dangerous.
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This is a tough question.
There are tens of thousands of people in the Bureau, and thousands of them, I presume, who saw what you saw, saw the corruption of this agency, but there are just a handful, literally a A couple of dozen individuals like you and Carl Serafin who have decided to speak out, who have handed in their badges, handed in their credentials.
Why is that?
Are pensions so much more important to your colleagues than integrity?
Yeah, it's just following orders, right?
So, when Comey was let go by Trump, the bifurcation of the FBI became visually apparent.
Almost like Moses parting the Red Sea, you could see sides taking place in the office.
And the percentages of people who went to the left vary from field office to field office and certainly region to region who went left and who tried to stay true to the Constitution and the rule of law.
That group of people that is keeping their head down, trying to do their job, And praying that they'll never be asked to go and kick in the door of, say, a 78-year-old Roger Stone at O-Dark 30 in the morning.
You know, they're hoping that this, too, shall pass them by.
It may not.
At some point in time, they may be called upon to do something that they're going to have to make a decision on.
The other half or other percentage, like I said, it varies.
Um, is fully committed, um, ideologically bent, um, to their loyalty to the FBI, not to the constitution.
So, so really it is, it is about protecting their pensions.
Yeah.
Well, the, the, the, the people who are hoping that it will never be asked to do something that would be contrary to the Constitution, the rule of law,
and the diag, they're protecting their pensions and hoping that they don't
have to, you know, put that on the line. The other half, who is ideologically bent,
they're not in fear for their pensions at all. All they're concerned about is whether they can make
it to senior executive level.
Yeah. As a senior FBI agent told me when he visited me in the White House after I'd been
waiting six months for three agents to be detailed to me who I taught at grad school, he said,
Dr. G, you're never going to get those detailees because the seventh floor of the Hoover Building
looks at this White House as the enemy.
That's all you need to know.
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