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June 14, 2023 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: "The seal has been broken"

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	Nice birthday.
	Wonderful birthday.
	They were saying happy birthday.
	I was with, I was with Eric and Laura, the kids.
	Happy birthday, grandpa.
	Happy.
	And I said, oh, great.
	I just got charged with, they want 400 years approximately.
	If you add them all up, a fake, a fake 400 years.
	Oh, thank you, darling.
	That's so nice.
	It's a wonderful birthday.
	We're gonna make it into the greatest birthday of all.
	We'll make it into the greatest birthday of all.
	Happy birthday, President Trump.
	It's his birthday today.
	That was last night in Bedminster.
	I was there in the audience.
	It was the biggest event they'd ever had.
	There were 900 people.
	It was frenetic.
	It was electric.
	It was the biggest of biggest high rollers.
	Donors that are supporting this man.
	Why?
	Because of what we witnessed earlier that day in Miami.
	I feel like that was days ago.
	I know I've been on the road.
	I want to be very thankful to my Salem colleague, Joe Piscopo, who opened his studio to me, allowed me to broadcast the show from there yesterday.
	God bless you, Joe Piscopo, Jersey Joe.
	And then I drove from his home, that's not far from Bedminster, to the event where we saw the president, presented him with one of our FBI t-shirts, got a shout out from the boss.
	So thank you, Joe.
	And we need to thank the president for what he did.
	We have to understand the stakes involved.
	He used the phrase yesterday.
	I can guess who put it in the speech.
	If you haven't watched the whole speech, watch it.
	You can find it on my social media platforms.
	But he inserted a phrase.
	It was all on teleprompter.
	Very little.
	Usually about 20 to 30 percent of the president's speeches are extemporaneous.
	He goes off a message and speaks from the heart.
	Yesterday, given the enormity of the situation, the first time ever a president, a former president, has been indicted by federal court by the person he is running against.
	He used the phrase The seal is broken.
	Not the hackneyed, overused, cross the Rubicon, but the seal is broken.
	Let's listen to him say that last night.
	Cut one.
	If the communists get away with this, It won't stop with me.
	They will not hesitate to ramp up their persecution of Christians, pro-life activists, parents attending school board meetings, and even future Republican candidates, which they do.
	We must end it permanently, and we must end it immediately.
	Now that the seal, so important, is broken.
	The seal is broken by what they've done.
	They should never have done this.
	This was an unwritten rule.
	You just don't.
	Unless it's really bad.
	But you just don't.
	But the seal is now broken.
	In addition to closing the border and removing all of the criminal elements that have illegally invaded our country, making America energy independent and even dominant again, and immediately ending the war between Russia and Ukraine.
	I'll have it ended in 24 hours.
	I will appoint a real special prosecutor to go after the most corrupt president in the
	history of the United States of America, Joe Biden, and the entire Biden crime family.
	Come on. Come on.
	Name a special prosecutor.
	None of that was an exaggeration.
	None of that was not a reflection of the truth.
	The current incumbent, the current resident, is the most corrupt president in history.
	We know what his son received.
	Forget about five million dollars here, five million dollars there.
	The 1.4 billion dollar deal with Communist China.
	The no-show job in Ukraine.
	For a crack addict thrown out of the sinecure military position his father acquired for him in the reserves because he's an addict.
	That person has been funding his family by using the name of the former senator, the former vice president, to broker pay-for-play schemes.
	We now know that the CEO of Burisma recorded 17 phone calls with Joe Biden and Hunter Biden, just as insurance.
	Nobody knows right now where he is.
	Nobody knows where the CEO of the company that I... Isn't that just enough?
	Why would the CEO of the company that hired the then Vice President's son for $83,000 a month for a job he was not qualified to... He has no background in energy or Eastern Europe.
	None!
	And he gets a million dollars a year?
	Why would the CEO of that company have to go into hiding?
	I don't think anybody who worked with President Trump or worked for President Trump has to go into hiding.
	Even that poor, poor man I know, Walter Nauta, his butler, who the DOJ is targeting with hundreds of years of possible imprisonment for what?
	Moving some boxes around in a secure facility protected by the Secret Service.
	Not even Walt!
	Today we witness the most evil and heinous abuse of power in the history of our country.
	Very sad thing to watch.
	A corrupt sitting president had his top Political opponent arrested on fake and fabricated charges of which he and numerous other presidents would be guilty.
	Right in the middle of a presidential election in which he is losing very badly.
	This is called election interference in yet another attempt to rig and steal a presidential election.
	More importantly, it's a political persecution, like something straight out of a fascist or communist nation.
	This day will go down in infamy, and Joe Biden will forever be remembered as not only the most corrupt president in the history of our country, but perhaps even more importantly, the president who, together with a band of his closest thugs, misfits and Marxists, tried to destroy American democracy.
	But they will fail and we will win bigger and better than ever before.
	I still, to this day, I was there in Mar-a-Lago when he announced for a second time.
	I was there last night in Bedminster.
	I still don't understand it.
	I don't know if I'd have the fortitude to put my family through all of that again.
	Did you see the footage from the Cuban restaurant yesterday, the cafe, after the indictment?
	The arrest?
	That man looked very happy.
	Nothing touches him.
	And it's strange because he's never done this before.
	He's never had to work and live in this putrid cesspit that is Washington DC and the political miasma that it engenders.
	God bless him.
	He's right.
	They broke the seal.
	Now it's up to us to save the nation it had protected.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker, this is America First.
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	Right, he says he can do it.
	He doesn't have Skype.
	I told him to download it.
	They can do other stuff.
	Right, right, right, right.
	And I'm going to need... Oh, we'll talk about the cuts and stuff.
	All right, so let's go through it.
	So, who have we said we're going to ask?
	Byron?
	He cannot.
	They had him booked for earlier in the day, but he's on a flight during the show.
	Okay, so who have we said?
	Carson Reagan.
	Rushingbrook?
	Carson.
	Reagan.
	Anybody else?
	We wanted to get someone to remember about personnel.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Who can we get instead of... Who's been good?
	Let's ask Dan Bishop.
	Instead of Byron.
	Okay.
	Dan Bishop.
	And then personnel.
	Who would really get it?
	Which, is Slap kind of at that, or no?
	He could be.
	He could be.
	Alright, um, we got Sean's books.
	What are the books?
	The books I have are... This is one I hadn't seen before, Leading America.
	I think this is his newest one.
	I think that's the newest one, yeah.
	Okay, yeah.
	And then, of course, previously, The Briefing.
	No, no, and the kids' book.
	What's the kids' book?
	Okay, the kids' book is Parrots Go Bananas.
	The Parrots... Go Bananas.
	And what's his podcast?
	Let me see... Skype up, Alex.
	Want the mics off?
	Yeah.
	Mike's off.
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	you Bye.
	That man is more energized than I've seen him throughout this whole this whole cycle so far back to the
	2015 and 2016 days that's a Trump that that people had grown to love and
	And brought into the White House in 2016 Apparently indictment equals jet fuel to the Trump
	Trump train Indictment equals jet fuel. That's my colleague at Newsmax
	Eric Bolling. We were at Bedminster yesterday Connecting to him before and after the speech. It was quite
	a night We're gonna analyze it with somebody else who knows the
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	He was the guy I found working at his desk with his little son on a Saturday morning
	as I was just there in the White House taking some guests around.
	That's how seriously he took his job.
	He's the former press secretary.
	One of the best.
	He's my buddy.
	Sean Spicer on deck!
	Welcome back to America First.
	Dude, it was great to see you lead in with a little Tiffany from the 1980s or that could be early 90s.
	I gotta give the producers credit, man.
	That gets you going.
	That's my music choice, dude.
	That's my music choice.
	All right, let's get the business out of the way.
	He is the author of numerous works leading America.
	He's got a kid's book out called The Parrots Go Bananas.
	He can explain that all to us later, but gotta get your reaction.
	I know you watch the whole... Oh, and he's got a new podcast.
	I was on it recently.
	He asked me questions.
	You'll be on it tomorrow.
	Oh my gosh, you ask me questions nobody's ever asked.
	I hope people find them interesting of how I got to the White House.
	Super fun.
	Thank you, Sean.
	Gotta ask you, because you know the president, you worked so closely with him, a lot of people were saying last night was 2015 again.
	He came out of that Cuban cafe, he came out of the arraignment being arrested and was just beaming at the Cuban cafe, then this short, trenchant speech last night.
	It looks like this guy just thrives on adversity.
	Tell our listeners how correct that is, because you know him.
	Yeah, look, I think that one of the big Contrast between 2015 and 2020 was in 2015 the president really understood this message of Talking about how people had been left behind in the system the forgotten men and women the America first agenda and I think as he became an incumbent and and you know, I don't know that the the staff fully Adjusted to having that same insurgent type campaign, but you're absolutely right I thought the same exact thing as I watched it last night that this is 2015 Trump again and
	Look, Seb, one of the things, I've been doing elections since the early 1990s.
	I don't look at it.
	I know it's a moisturizer.
	But the thing is, elections, people are hiring you to solve their problems, to make a community safer and better, a country safer, better, stronger.
	And what the president did last night is, yes, he talked a little bit about his situation, but then he pivoted and talked about what's at stake in the election and why this is important.
	And I think that's that's that was critical.
	And that was a tell that I was looking for.
	I kept saying earlier in the day, I'm going to be looking at how the president comes out and addresses all those supporters, including yourself last night there in Bedminster, because if it was all about him, I wasn't sure that was going to work.
	People are like, yeah, I get it.
	You're you're you've got grievances and well-deserved.
	But I think they want to know that you're still fighting for them and looking out for issues that Um, are not getting addressed in, in this current government.
	And so he pivoted really well last night.
	He started talking about all of the things that are plaguing this country and why he needs to become president again to address them.
	I think that was exactly the right balance.
	Uh, it was nice to see you get the shout out.
	Uh, I mean of all, I'll tell you, the funny thing is he says the whole speech, I see him doing this and that.
	But then all of a sudden he says, Seb, you were great.
	And I was like, wow, that's, I mean, no one else got a shout out except Seb Gorka.
	Well, it helps when you're seven foot tall.
	You know, he always sees me and he says, ah, Sebastian.
	And I always appreciate it.
	It's a lot of fun.
	Yeah.
	Your advice to him, we got two segments with you, so relax guys, we're gonna keep Sean over.
	Does he, is this the tone now?
	Is this the frequency for the next 18 months?
	Sean, you're the professional communicator, or does he have to add something?
	Does he have to pivot?
	Yeah, so look, as I said, I'll make it real simple.
	There is no question he, I think people understand why he has grievances.
	In terms of the double standard that exists, he laid that out very well last night.
	But at the end of the day, he's not running a popularity contest.
	He's running to be president.
	And people want to know, do you still have the sense of that America first, putting our country first, putting our workers first?
	You know, he did.
	He pulled us out of the Paris accord.
	He pulled us out of the Iran nuclear agreement.
	He pulled us out of NAFTA and renegotiated.
	So it was better for American workers from Alabama to Wisconsin dairy farmers.
	It's that sense That people need to feel again that this guy gets their problems and he's going to fight for them in a way that nobody else has.
	He sees where Washington overlooks people.
	If he, I would tilt more on that side than anything else.
	Everybody understands right now the double standard that exists in the judicial system and that this administration is using things to go after him.
	But I still think at the end of the day, where he can make sure that he stays on target, is by not forgetting that an election is about reminding these voters and these citizens that you're their fighter.
	Right.
	So it's another version of MAGA.
	It's an updated version of MAGA.
	I don't even think it's updated.
	It's a reminder.
	It's MAGA.
	It's MAGA again.
	I think 2015, 2016, he sold the country on it.
	People bought it.
	But more importantly, Seven, this is critical.
	It wasn't just, hey, I got a great slogan and a hat.
	He delivered.
	That's the one thing that I've told him that nobody else can have.
	Everybody else who's running for president right now, listen to what they say.
	I'm going to continue the America First agenda.
	I'm going to keep fighting for you like this.
	I just don't tweet or whatever.
	The one thing that I said to Trump at one point was, remember, You're not.
	They're all trying to say they will be you.
	You are you.
	You can say, I'm the original.
	I'm the OG.
	It's as Bill Maher said, why would you go to the tribute band conference if the real band is still playing?
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	He's got some chat with a funny accent on his podcast tomorrow.
	We'll be back with Sean in a moment.
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	Yeah, I have to turn off the... Yeah, it's a water heater that... I actually have a switch to turn it off, but I was so...
	kerfuffled getting this up and going that I didn't turn the water heater off.
	He's such a pro.
	He's got a noisy water heater.
	When I had him build the studio, I had him build a switch in the studio to turn it off because I wasn't like going to go into the water thing.
	And, um, and so I, I had him do it.
	I just forget sometimes not to turn it off.
	Cause it's not like the water's running, but I think that there's people home that are doing things that Require water to be off.
	Very few people know how to use the word kerfuffle.
	Yeah.
	It's underrated.
	It is.
	It is.
	It's like uncouth.
	I like the word uncouth.
	It's interesting.
	Yeah.
	I haven't met anybody who's couth, but I do know what uncouth is.
	Actually, but that might be a thing.
	Maybe we make couth the word.
	Yeah, we could be hashtag couth.
	Are you couth?
	This is the question.
	What's the name?
	What's the name of the podcast?
	Beyond the briefing.
	Beyond the briefing.
	Yeah, and my big push is, all my videos are on YouTube right now, one a day, on YouTube at Sean M. Spicer.
	Whatever, YouTube, Sean Spicer.
	Sean M. You gotta get the M in that one.
	Have you got the new video, Eric?
	15, yes I do.
	Can you play it?
	No, no, no, just wait, just wait, just wait.
	Cut, come in with it.
	Why do you keep getting up, Spicer?
	I turned the water heater off!
	Finally, for the second segment, we're going to have good sound.
	Yeah.
	God, lord forbid anybody makes you a press secretary.
	Could you imagine this guy as a press secretary?
	I needed to know that you were water cooler, water heater worthy.
	I mean, he'd be giving briefings in the briefing room and the lights wouldn't be on.
	I mean, you know, he'd forget to do stuff like that.
	Well, that someone would do it for me.
	That's the difference.
	Yeah, I know.
	Because you're so poor and impoverished now, you don't have minions.
	Wow.
	Don't we all strive to have minions one day?
	I love minions!
	The little yellow ones.
	Oh no, no!
	Not the boomer memes, no!
	No, yes!
	That's why I have a really big one in my office.
	That's why when my daughter calls me, the ringtone is minions.
	How are your kids doing, Sean?
	It was the last day of school today, last day of sixth grade.
	I actually came back for the pool party from this, so I'm like, I mean, we were chaperoning it.
	So you have minions now who can turn off the water heater for you?
	Yeah, well, yeah, they actually are on the company payroll too, so maybe I should make them.
	You mean like Hunter?
	Well, I don't know that I would go so far as Hunter, but... Or is... No, I think Joe is on Hunter's payroll.
	Hunter doesn't.
	Oh, I'm gonna play... You saw Chuck, Todd, Tapper, and Madda, right?
	Their response to Bedminster?
	No.
	Oh, you didn't?
	Alright, we're gonna have some fun.
	Still wanna come in with that?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	30 seconds.
	Title for the monologue, by the way.
	President Trump is right.
	They, uh, quote, they broke the seal.
	Yeah, they broke the seal.
	All right, coming with cut 15, no liner.
	No liner.
	20 seconds.
	I'm going to be honest.
	I was supposed to negotiate with NARA, which is exactly what I was doing until Mar-a-Lago
	was raided by gun-toting FBI agents.
	I have security tapes of it.
	I gave them security tapes of everything.
	in a flagrant violation of the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution,
	which protects the right against unreasonable search and seizure.
	And Sebastian, you covered very well, I must say.
	Very well.
	Thank you, Mr. President.
	Somebody who works for me, who will be nameless, called Jeff, texted me to ask, was he talking about you last night?
	No, one of the many other Sebastians that hangs out at Bedminster.
	Yes, it was me they got a shout out.
	Thank you guys.
	All right, let's continue with our special guest Sean Spicer.
	The new books are the podcast.
	Let's start with that because he's got a great guest on tomorrow's Beyond the Briefing.
	Then he's got the book Leading America and the Parrots Go Bananas children's book.
	And you can watch the podcast on his YouTube channel.
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	All right, let's have some fun.
	You are a media professional, Sean.
	Love your new podcast.
	Here's two reactions to the president's Bedminster event yesterday and his arraignment in Miami.
	Let's start with a video cut ten.
	Jake Tapper!
	The folks in the control room, I don't need to see any more of that.
	He's trying to turn this into a spectacle, into a campaign ad.
	That's enough of that.
	We've seen it already.
	That was the president in the Cuban cafe.
	Can't show that.
	I mean, look, Biden with ice cream.
	That's news.
	President Trump in Miami?
	No, no, no, no.
	But Rachel, oh dear, she wasn't happy.
	Cut 11.
	We are prepared for his pre-fundraiser remarks tonight to again be essentially a Trump campaign speech.
	Because of that, we do not intend to carry these remarks live.
	As we have said before in these circumstances, there is a cost to us as a news organization to knowingly broadcast untrue things.
	Well, not to her, who earns, what is it, $12 million for an hour's work a week and talked about Russian collusion and PP tapes and hookers for four, five years.
	Sean, I want to unleash you.
	These people aren't journalists, are they?
	No.
	I mean, I don't know why.
	Look, first of all, Jay Tapper was literally a Democratic staffer.
	He's worked for gun control groups.
	He worked for Female Democratic members.
	I mean, he makes no bones about it.
	I don't know why we try to pretend that they are.
	Rachel Maddow, I mean, is a complete hack as well.
	Look, I don't... To me, that ship sailed long ago.
	But what is the right response to them?
	Because, you know, we use the cuts, we just use them here, but these shows get 400,000 viewers.
	We've got three and a half million people listening right now.
	Should we ignore them?
	Can we ignore them?
	Or is their influence on this stinking city so important that we have to give them a little bit of oxygen?
	Well, I think it's good to point it out because for those Fewer and fewer people that are watching, which that's the reality too, right?
	That especially with respect to CNN, fewer and fewer people are watching it.
	It's good to make sure that they, if that is hypothetically where they got their information, that they're hearing that it's not true.
	So it's always good to push it back, but make no mistake about it.
	I mean, people are smart and they're continuing to tune out both of these places.
	So I don't, that's the upside to this.
	They're tuning more into.
	A lot of independent media to get their information, which is great.
	I mean, that's why I put out a video a day on my YouTube channel, Sean M. Spicer, because I'm trying to give people the real inside scoop as to what's happening both in the Trump campaign, the politics, sometimes the media.
	So I don't mind calling it out because I think for the few people who do, or even for people who talk to people who do.
	So it's like someone might say at work, well, I saw it at CNN and it's like, you need to be able to say, okay, I want you to know who that person is that you're actually hearing from.
	Yeah, we've got literally 30 seconds left.
	The format of your podcast on YouTube, I loved it.
	In 30 seconds, explain what's different about your podcast.
	Well, it's called Beyond the Briefing.
	The idea is to get beyond what you would normally get.
	So one day a week on Mondays, we talk about what's happening politically.
	But then on Thursdays, and you are tomorrow's guest, We take somebody that people know, they've met, I've met, and I learned a ton about our conversation.
	We asked people about their childhood, growing up, what influenced them.
	And like I said, I was doing the getting ready to get it all sealed up today.
	And I'm saying, you know, God, I've known Sebastian for years and in the conversation that we had I learned a ton
	about him and that's the idea is it's beyond what you normally get in a briefing.
	Here's what you know about Sebastian Gorka.
	We have a conversation where you talk about your childhood, your father, your family,
	your upbringing, how you got your military background and it's I find it like there were
	stories about how you actually got in.
	I hope people tune in and find out, wow, this isn't what I expected.
	I really enjoy interviews.
	I enjoyed this one.
	Go to Sean M. Spicer on YouTube.
	Get his books.
	God bless you, Sean.
	Follow him at Sean Spicer.
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	He also tried to railroad John Edwards on a completely bogus legal theory that didn't hold up in court.
	It's no wonder this raging lunatic was shipped off to The Hague to prosecute war criminals using globalist tribunals, not beholden to the Constitution or the rule of law, two things Jack Smith clearly disdained.
	You take a look at this guy.
	He looks like a thug.
	I was going to tee that up, but they played it anyway.
	We're going to discuss that.
	The Special Prosecutor, Jack Smith, a thug, according to the President, yesterday in Bedminster.
	Before we get to our special guest, I was wearing one of my new suits at Bedminster.
	Why?
	Because all the old ones are like flipping tents.
	I have to take them in.
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	He's one of the few, the handful of brave individuals who's not prepared to be a political policeman.
	He comes to us highly recommended.
	Not only that, his book, True Blue, I just found out literally moments ago, has an endorsement by not only Julie Kelly, but some chap called Andrew Clavin.
	And we love Andrew Clavin.
	So he must be a good guy.
	FBI whistleblower, Stephen Friend.
	Welcome to America First.
	Thank you so much for having me today.
	So I want to talk about your story, what you blew the whistle on, what's happened to you and why you've written this book.
	Please follow this man at Real Steve Friend.
	But first things first, I've got to ask your reaction, that clip we played of President Trump regarding that special prosecutor yesterday, the fact that a man with full TSSCI clearances has had his home raided.
	He's the leader of the opposition.
	The federal government has indicted him as a man who carried a badge as a federal agent.
	Your reaction?
	I think it's just an indication that we have a two-tiered system of justice and the FBI and the DOJ are completely weaponized against one side of the political spectrum and certainly even a former president can't evade their spotlight.
	So tell us why you did what you did.
	You have an amazing background.
	I don't know, you know, what possessed you to go into federal law enforcement so that, you know, the fact that you graduated from Notre Dame with a bachelor's in accounting, had a business career and then transitioned into law enforcement ending up in the Omaha FBI SWAT team.
	What was it that you saw that made you decide to take this very tough decision to become a federal whistleblower?
	Well, my background in the FBI was in violent crime on Indian reservations, and then child pornography.
	And I was moved off of that, told that child pornography was no longer going to be a resource in my office, no longer a priority, and moved on to working domestic terrorism, the January 6th cases.
	And because I had the background in the number of cases that I worked, I'd worked over 200 cases in my time, I knew that the FBI was departing from its rules when it comes to managing cases, and felt that that was going to jeopardize even a righteous prosecution.
	And also the fact that the process has become the punishment from the FBI's perspective.
	And we were sending a SWAT team to arrest an individual who had pledged to cooperate with us.
	And that to me, I felt like I was the guy in the room the day before a Ruby Ridge or a Waco happened.
	And it was incumbent on me to throw the flag and say that there are better, safer ways.
	This is an unnecessary risk to the public safety.
	So how does that happen?
	I mean, you know, child pornography, child trafficking should be a priority in any circumstance.
	I don't care if we're at war with Russia, we should be stopping that evil.
	Taking you off those cases is unconscionable and unjustifiable.
	But I'm curious, in that specific case you mentioned, that you've got an individual, I presume a US person, who's cooperating with you And then you're told to raid him.
	How does that happen?
	What level of the FBI says, we don't care if he's co-operating, let's go and raid his home.
	How does that happen in a state that's not a police state?
	It doesn't.
	It doesn't.
	We clearly have a merger of the intelligence community with law enforcement when it comes to the FBI.
	And the people in position to make those decisions within the executive management are fully bought into this perspective that they're going to cast the widest ragnet to get as many people as they can.
	And on top of that, they want to send a message.
	Shock and awe has come home to America, and that is a problem.
	And finally, there is a system in place in the FBI called integrated program management, which is a quota system.
	And that is something that the senior executives receive compensation for hitting arbitrary metrics.
	So with January 6th, that is a boondoggle for too many people around the country, and they want to get their hooks into it so they can reap the financial rewards.
	What does that mean, reap the financial reward?
	Explain that.
	Well, IPM, which was begun about 10 years ago, is an arbitrary quota system, so like a ticket book for a traffic cop.
	It mandates a certain number of cases being opened and intelligence products being authorized, and you can go down the list.
	And in this country, domestic terrorism, since it is the term that is so beloved at the top of the political elite right now, the actual quantity of that in this country does not meet the demand.
	the demand vastly outstrips the supply.
	So as a result of that, the FBI has contrived a way to boost artificially those numbers and create
	this false statistical narrative that domestic terrorism is around the country, when in fact,
	all these cases are generated off of January 6th, which is one case.
	But the FBI is open to separate cases for every single person, spread them around the country,
	and now the president can say that domestic terrorism is a national threat when it in fact is not.
	So what I learned, I spent a few years in the British military reserves, I was a DoD civilian, and then in the White House doing national security stuff.
	The way we looked at threats, whether domestic or international, is you looked at the threat, you did an estimate of the situation, you measured the strength, the size, the capabilities of the threat, and then you matched the response to the threat It sounds to me as if the reverse is happening.
	They're generating the response because of a political need to make that quote-unquote threat the biggest.
	Is that a good summary, Mr. Friend?
	Yes, it's the self-licking ice cream cone.
	They come up with a solution and look for a problem to apply it to, and they personally benefit from that in the amount of $30,000 to $50,000 when you get to the senior executive level.
	That is heavily based on... Compensation is based on incentives.
	All right, I just noticed another thing.
	Man, the foreword is by none other than Miranda Devine.
	We have to have a longer conversation on this show or on my Newsmax show.
	Can we get you back, Mr. Friend?
	Absolutely.
	We'd love to.
	All right.
	It's Real Steve Friend on Twitter and the book is True Blue.
	My journey from beat cop to suspended FBI whistleblower.
	We need more men like Steve Friend.
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	Why did you decide to conceal the information in that revelation to the House over... ...institution is the one that according to the court, the FISA court, ran 278,000 unwarranted, probably illegal, queries on Americans, right?
	That was your institution, correct?
	With respect to the compliance incidents, yes.
	Some of the other things you cited, we can take them...
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	Hi, this is President Trump, and Sebastian is really a friend of mine.
	He's a great guy.
	He's been with me from the beginning.
	Listen to him.
	We all learn.
	I love that.
	Hey, next time I'm one-on-one with the President, Jeff, should I get him to do some more liners?
	Absolutely.
	Or next time you go to a speech.
	What do you think I should—or just say, hey, could you shout out a liner for me, boss?
	Should I do that from the crowd?
	Just stand up again, because you stick out in the crowd.
	He'll mention you.
	That's such a great line.
	All right, let's get back to work.
	It's serious stuff.
	Hawley, when he's in session in the Senate, he brings it to these FBI hacks.
	Here he is grilling the deputy director, Paul Abate, on this political police force.
	Just play it.
	Your institution is the one that, according to the court, the FISA court, ran 278,000 unwarranted, probably illegal, queries on Americans, right?
	That was your institution, correct?
	With respect to the compliance incidents, yes.
	Some of the other things you cited, we can take them one by one.
	Compliance, you would characterize the unlawful querying 278,000 times of American citizens as compliance issues?
	We've said before, I've said that totally unacceptable.
	Who's been fired for it?
	Individuals involved are handled through the disciplinary process.
	Who's been fired for it?
	We have, in the case of the unintentional instance where something similar happened, we have fired people in the past.
	Wait, I'm sorry, what does that word salad mean?
	The unintentional instance, what does that mean?
	Who's been fired for the 278,000 times that you improperly or illegally queried the database for American citizens?
	Anybody?
	When we find intentional incidents, Were you saying that the 278,000 queries were unintentional?
	I believe that's correct.
	Wow!
	278,000 times American citizens' information was queried by your agency unintentionally?
	That's your testimony?
	I would want to go back and check that, Senator.
	Well, that's what you just told me.
	My understanding is that the vast majority... Well, wait, that's different.
	You just said it was.
	You just said it was unintentional.
	Now it's the vast majority.
	Which is it?
	Do you know?
	I would want to go back and check it.
	So you don't know?
	My understanding is that likely all were unintentional.
	Likely all?
	If an organization makes 280,000 mistakes, you shut it down.
	Mr. Abate, you are the kind of person in Hitler's Germany who would have made sure the trains ran on time to the death camps.
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	It was electric.
	And I've never been there before.
	I've never been to Edmonds, so I've been planning to go for a couple of years.
	Is it beautiful?
	I mean, of course it is.
	The whole, I didn't, so I was staying at Joe Piscopo's house.
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	That part, I mean, New Jersey is an armpit.
	I know, but they're nice places.
	But that part of New Jersey?
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	One minute.
	What have you been talking about today?
	Gavin Newsom on Hannity.
	Okay.
	Disgrace.
	What is the logic of that?
	For him and for Hannity?
	I don't get it.
	He was not prepared either, and it really drove me crazy.
	Who, Newsom?
	Hannity.
	He made Newsom look like a freaking star.
	Oh my god.
	So that was not good.
	We've been talking all day about Trump, and of course we've been talking all day about Joe Briban, which is the new favorite name.
	That's good.
	Standby.
	Yeah, I thought Newsom came off good too.
	That's weird you said that.
	Oh, it's sick.
	Want to use any cuts here, sub?
	Probably.
	I'm not sure.
	I'm not sure.
	Welcome back dear friends.
	Is Sean Hannity working for Gavin Newsom?
	That will be one of the questions that we explore in the next two segments with our West Coast warrior princess.
	She who makes me always look good when I come on her show.
	I want to hire her as my press secretary.
	I know we've discussed that before but You know, if things go well, Jennifer Horne, in 18 months time, do you want to come work with me in the White House?
	Absolutely.
	I wouldn't even blink.
	I'd be right there by your side.
	And I would be so happy to stand with President Trump, who deserves a lot of accolades for his handling of all the atrocities that have happened to him this week and for the past, what, six, seven years now.
	Yeah, I want to talk about stories that are relevant to California as usual, but it's weird because I drove to New Jersey yesterday morning.
	I drove back after the Bedminster speech, saw the president, and it feels to me like the indictment was weeks ago.
	I mean, that footage for me is like, that must have been days ago.
	Your reaction to I don't want to put words in your mouth, but we had Eric Bolling say on Newsmax yesterday, this is vintage OG 2015 President Trump, and he said, the quote I think he said was, it looks like indictments, criminal indictments, federal indictments, are like jet fuel for President Trump.
	I think it is.
	You know, we've always said that about President Trump.
	It's really sad that we have to be in this position, number one, because I love this country.
	And I think I might have told you I was saying the flag salute this weekend.
	I was doing the Pledge of Allegiance at an event that I was at.
	And literally, as I was saying, with liberty and justice for all, it came out of me and I said, accept Donald Trump and Republicans.
	And I thought to myself, how sad is it?
	And I was deadly serious about that, that we are now in a place where we cannot guarantee that we all have the same opportunity for liberty, for justice and for freedom, and that there is very clearly a ruling party.
	And it's really sad.
	So I just I want to put that out there that we're in this state.
	But that being said, Donald Trump does better when there is opposition against him.
	He is more energized.
	He is more focused.
	He knows the right words to say.
	He knows the right tone to strike.
	And I did a little experiment yesterday.
	I watched CNN's coverage of the arraignment of the president.
	And did you get a chance to see any of it on CNN?
	All I watched, we played it already, is Jake Tapper's, we're not showing that!
	He's meeting with Americans and buying them lunch at a Cuban cafe.
	We can't show that ice cream with Biden, that's okay.
	But not President Trump.
	So what was funny leading up to that is they were talking about how downtrodden and sad and defeated the president looked when he was walking into court.
	And they were saying that he was sitting at the table and he was hunched over in the courtroom and that he was just so depressed and so downtrodden.
	They kept saying it over and over and over again.
	Now, when I saw President Trump walk in and out of the court, he was waving at people.
	He looked determined, but he certainly didn't look beaten.
	And in the cafe, He was beaming!
	The point was that after they were talking about how depressed he was, well now he's
	not.
	You see him, he's in this cafe, he's having fun, they're singing happy birthday to him.
	He seems like the regular Donald Trump of old and now he's just, you know, he's not
	taking this seriously.
	Oh, we have to, oh, we must clutch our pearls and take the cameras away.
	We can't give an opportunity to Donald Trump.
	So even with all of this thrown at him, he's still managing to troll the news media.
	And then later in the day, Anderson Cooper was talking about how we just can't show you Trump's speech at Bedminster, but there are people like Seb Gorka in the crowd.
	They mentioned you.
	He did!
	They mentioned Kash Patel and Rick Grinnell and Sub Gorka in the crowd.
	Can I send him a bill for the rent for living in his head for free?
	Please do!
	And so it made me laugh.
	They won't show because they don't want the campaign messaging.
	So even in this moment when you have thrown everything, including the kitchen sink, at President Trump, he is still doing better than ever.
	The speech last night was right on the money.
	And I am happy to say Vivek Ramaswamy showed up and stood with President Trump.
	That's great.
	In a true social hat.
	Yeah, that's right.
	And the truth is that everybody who is in this race should understand that this is about far more than Donald Trump.
	And they should have been with him, whether they were there in person or just in comments.
	And you're seeing people's real true colors.
	And I'm talking about Mike Pence, Nikki Haley, the governors that are in this race.
	You're seeing where their allegiance lies.
	It lies with the swamp that protects their own kind and does not lie with the American people.
	Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
	So we took some photographs with buddies in Bedminster yesterday.
	There's troublemaker Raheem Kassam, he of the National Pulse.
	He was actually flying with the President all last week.
	They seated me next to Mike Lindell.
	He's got a big announcement coming up in August.
	That was before the event in the... I don't do golf, but they have an area where you can smoke cigars at the at the Trump National, which was super fun.
	And then I just so weird.
	Oh, that was me on Newsmax.
	That was that was a power pose for Newsmax.
	Then, as I look at is that some Biden suitcase?
	Is that filled with money there?
	That's the nuclear football because you can't give it to Joe.
	We can't give it to Joe.
	And then, before I left Joe Piscopo's studio, he gave me this.
	Now, I have the Presidential Service pin.
	This is the White House pin.
	And how thoughtful is Joe Piscopo that he gives me a gift?
	He is one of the greatest guys ever.
	I love Joe Piscopo.
	Superb, superb.
	All right, let's have some fun here.
	This is Chuck Todd revealing, actually admitting, The problem with all, all of his kith and kin in the legacy-lying media.
	Cut nine.
	There is a faction of South Florida very conservative MAGA Hispanics who are very much rally around sort of almost see common cause of the injustices of America with Cuba and Venezuela and he's he's he's trying to wrap himself in this in the in the sort of the folks who claim their exiles in the exile community and it's a It's a real perversion of what the exile community used to fight for.
	I mean, this is what makes it so surreal to see it here in the United States.
	We were the safe haven for those that were escaping moments like this.
	It's just, what a bizarre moment.
	And I think, again, it's going to take years for us to understand it.
	It's going?
	No, you're never going to understand it, Chuck Todd No.
	1.
	And then what is he saying?
	It took us years to escape this?
	You mean, are you admitting this is political persecution?
	And then to use phrases like, the Cubans who claim Persecution.
	Who came here claiming persecution.
	Do you need to know anything more about Chuck Todd and every stinking member of the Legacy Line media?
	Isn't that one clip everything you need to know?
	They're all in on it together.
	They want to see a system that our country was not founded on, and they're okay with pushing us towards crazy fascist regimes.
	They're okay with pushing us towards communism.
	They think somehow that that's the kinder, gentler system.
	I think it was especially meaningful and powerful for President Trump to show up at that Cuban cafe because he can identify with the persecution that leaders in places All around the globe have had to deal with because of these crazy regimes.
	That's what Biden is leading right now.
	And Chuck Todd shows himself.
	They all do.
	And you know what?
	It's not just the liberal media, Seb.
	The conservative media places is getting this all wrong.
	They're talking about the fact that he was holding classified documents, which we don't even know yet.
	That has not even been argued.
	Let me play this.
	So you mentioned Mike Pence.
	This is, I think, A Wall Street Journal podcast interview being played by Fox.
	But this goes straight to the heart of the matter.
	Cut 12.
	I have had the opportunity to read the indictment that was filed.
	I can't defend what's alleged.
	These are serious allegations.
	And the handling of classified materials, as I learned in my years as Vice President and my years on the Foreign Affairs Committee, is a very serious matter that bears upon the national security of the United States.
	Well, if it's a very serious matter, why did you have classified documents that you weren't authorized to have, unlike President Trump, in your private abode?
	And then secondly, that first sentence that they replayed on CNN, of course, he said, I cannot defend, very serious, I cannot defend that which is alleged.
	Well, it's not your job because it's alleged.
	Right.
	It's an allegation.
	Right.
	We need law and order to play out here.
	And Mike Pence, of all people, should realize that he was there.
	He was part of it for eight years.
	He saw what was thrown in the direction of that administration to try to stop their good work and shame on Mike Pence today.
	I think that he is probably a great guy.
	said but what I don't think he is a fighter and I think he gets very
	scared about stepping out of the box or taking on the news media and so he finds
	it easier to sort of kowtow to their their desires and their
	narratives and maybe he thinks he can pick up a few percent percentage
	points because he's what at five or six percent in the polls right now.
	I'm gonna say this Bye.
	He's not even a good man.
	Because if you're weak, you're not good.
	Because a man has to be strong.
	And I don't mean you have to have big muscles.
	You have to have strength of character.
	If you don't have strength of character, you're not a man and you're definitely not a good man.
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	Hey, I did ask Kathy Barna today.
	I said, so, is Vivek trying to be Trump's vice president?
	And?
	She would not answer.
	She said, we haven't even had that conversation.
	Oh, because she works for him!
	I know.
	And I said, Kathy, I said, Kathy, come on, you're telling me you haven't had that conversation with him that you would you be willing to accept it?
	Right.
	Cut 13.
	How did you decide to conceal the information in that revelation to the House Oversight Committee?
	Why did you redact all of that pertaining to the phone calls?
	We have exceptional people within the FBI.
	You're not answering the question.
	Why did you redact that information?
	And they work relentlessly every day to keep this country safe and to protect people.
	Period.
	You chose not to reveal that the calls were there and Senator Grassley found it out anyway.
	Is that accurate?
	With regard to the document... You chose to redact it, yes or no?
	We often redact documents to protect sources and methods.
	So you chose to redact the fact That there are 17 voice recordings, two of those with the now president.
	You chose to redact that and not to give that to house oversight.
	I have no idea if there are voice recordings or not.
	Unbelievable.
	I probably met that guy.
	Unbelievable.
	He, I loved, uh, Cruz gave it to him too.
	That was, I didn't see that.
	We played, we played Hawley.
	It was Cruz good too.
	Holly was good, but Cruz was on him.
	Don't you think you owe it to the American people to be transparent?
	Why the redactions?
	He was great.
	I'm eating jelly beans right now.
	Ooh, like Ronald Reagan.
	From the members bar at the Trump National.
	I stuffed them in my pocket.
	It was like 10 o'clock at night.
	I had a four-hour drive in front of me.
	I hadn't eaten any dinner.
	I said, OK, there's a jar of jelly beans.
	I'm going to grab those.
	Only thing left in the bar.
	And it's a vegetable.
	It's a bean.
	Well, yeah, it is.
	It's fiber.
	Are they classified?
	Jack Smith might indict you.
	I know.
	Classified jelly beans.
	That's true.
	And you know what I just ate?
	I've never had one.
	And it's amazing.
	Buttered popcorn.
	Aren't those good?
	Wow!
	It tastes like buttered popcorn!
	You gotta mix it with like a different flavor too, like a cherry.
	But you know the scary thing is because I was so hungry yesterday, I was just grabbing, putting it in my pocket, shoving in my gob as I was driving.
	When you're having, you know, the grapefruit with the coffee, it just, you know, you gotta be a little selective.
	So I love my citrusy ones, I love my citrusy ones, but this looks a little bit savory because it's yellow with red dots.
	What do we think that is?
	Oh that's tutti frutti or something I think.
	Why didn't you eat at Wawa?
	You stopped there.
	I saw that.
	Oh, I did.
	I did.
	I got some chicken tenders.
	I was wondering where you were, and I was looking.
	I'm like, Wawa?
	That's a good spot.
	And I got the hot sauce.
	Woo!
	I tell ya.
	Real.
	That hot, usually hot sauce is like, ugh.
	That was yummy.
	Yummy.
	Now we know.
	Wawa chicken tenders.
	I think it's like bone-sucking barbecue or something.
	It was amazing.
	That's funny.
	Wawa's is impressive.
	Is that a New Jersey thing, Geoff?
	It started out in Philly, yeah.
	It's a West Coast thing, yeah.
	It's like a Bucky, right?
	Except not as good?
	Well, they make the food fresh, so you order it.
	Their sandwiches are very, very... They're not as good as they used to be, but they're very good.
	So it's not a convenience store, it's actually like a... Why in New Jersey can't I pump my own gas?
	Because they put it as a stupid law to increase jobs at that time.
	And a tax.
	No sales tax.
	They do it in Oregon, too.
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	I wish I'd been there.
	Bedminster was pretty cool.
	Bedminster was pretty cool.
	So was the Wawa's afterwards where I did my little video.
	But the Cuban Cafe in Miami.
	How cool was that?
	Roll tape!
	Are you ready?
	Are you ready?
	Food for everyone!
	Food for everyone. Food for everyone.
	You ain't got no peace. You ain't got no peace.
	Thank you.
	Thank you very much.
	Great champ.
	Thank you, thank you very much darling.
	You take care of yourself.
	Where's your head?
	Right here sir.
	Alright, let's get a picture.
	Come on.
	Great champ.
	Just don't fight him.
	I'm going this way sir.
	He's cracking jokes, doing selfies, buying everybody lunch.
	Bye everybody. Lunch. Oh Oh, Janet, he looks so worried to me.
	Doesn't he look worried to you?
	Oh, I think I saw the tear stains coming down his face.
	No, he looks like he is in great shape.
	He looks ready to go.
	He's smiling.
	He's confident.
	He looks healthy.
	He's got a nice, like, glow about him.
	He looks great.
	And if you didn't see the footage, you heard the sound, but in the footage you see behind him, somebody was a colleague of mine.
	I didn't notice.
	It's Walt Nauta, the butler.
	Yeah, no, I did see that.
	I didn't know he was your colleague, though.
	Well, I mean, we worked in the White House.
	He was the president's butler in the White House.
	That's funny.
	If you press that big red button on his desk that people thought was the nuclear launch button.
	That was the Diet Coke button, right?
	That was the Diet Coke button.
	And when I get rich and famous, I want one of those.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And that was Walt in the cafe.
	And for me, I don't know about you, but for me, It's all disgusting.
	It's all perverse.
	It's all Gestapo tactics.
	But the fact they go after this, this body man.
	With an impeccable record from the Navy, a member of an ethnic minority, that tells you who Jack Smith is.
	They're scum.
	They're just scum.
	I know.
	And you know what tells you even more?
	The fact that he's standing by President Trump and he was there yesterday.
	And that's one thing, and I don't know if I shared this with you or not, we talk about so many things in so many different places, but when you and I were together at Mar-a-Lago for the premiere of 2000 Mules last year, I left in an Uber with some friends of ours from the Midas Gold Group.
	How did you get an Uber to Mar-a-Lago?
	Did you wait like an hour?
	No, they were so sweet.
	They had a car ready to go.
	They had pre-ordered it.
	So they said, you want a ride?
	I'm like, yeah, I'm out of here.
	So I jumped in with them.
	We were staying at different hotels.
	So they got out first, and then I went on to my hotel.
	And I started talking to the driver, as I always do.
	And he goes, what were you doing there?
	And we're talking a bit.
	And he goes, well, I used to work there.
	And I said, really?
	Do tell.
	And he said, yeah, I used to work in the kitchen.
	And I said, well, what did you think of the president?
	The most amazing guy, he said.
	In fact, I stopped working there because I thought that maybe I would, you know, he said I was living in different places.
	And I felt like maybe I was putting the president at risk because I was all over the place.
	He said I ended up leaving only because I didn't want to let in something that wasn't supposed to be there, essentially, because I guess he was in a spot where he was moving around.
	He didn't want to embarrass his boss.
	And he – but he said President Trump knew everybody there.
	He asked about their kids, their wives, their mothers, their fathers.
	He would feed them all.
	He said – and this is somebody who worked in the kitchen at Mar-a-Lago and Trump would come in and take the time to have conversations with them.
	So this is where the loyalty factor comes in and that's what's so – it irks me about the people who are around President Trump that did not maintain that loyalty in order to join the mob to get ahead, to try to win some kind of favor because from everyone that I have talked to, It seems that he is a really above-the-board guy who knows about people, who's actually interested in the people that work for him.
	You are the hardest-working person I know in radio.
	I know you've got to go off and do another eighth hour of radio.
	I'm having too much fun.
	I haven't discussed California.
	Can we keep you on for one more?
	Let's do it!
	Yeah, why not?
	In the meantime, breaking news!
	Breaking news is from Paul Sperry, very reliable investigator.
	Just got sent to me from Real Clear Politics.
	Just in!
	Recovered documents from Joe Biden's personal stash of highly classified White House records is said to include, quote, national defense information related to China.
	Ellipsis?
	Story developing.
	For those of you who haven't read the 49-page indictment of my former boss, he is being charged, because they can't get him under the Presidential Records Act, fallaciously under the Espionage Act and under the regulations pertaining to, quote, national defense information documents.
	Joe Biden He can't declassify them when he's vice president, and he can't declassify them when he's a senator.
	So I guess Jack Smith and Merrick Garland will be sending in the jack-booted thugs to the White House to arrest the 46th President of the United States.
	To quote Paul, story developing.
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	Oh, that's great.
	That's a good one.
	And then we've got the bill about parents could lose custody.
	AB 957.
	And then Adam Schiff on censure.
	What do you want to talk about?
	I think we should do, let's do the homeless thing because that was one of the things that Newsom said was Schwarzenegger's fault in the Kennedy interview.
	What?
	Yeah, he said it was Schwarzenegger's fault that we have the homeless problem.
	Alright, well let's talk about that.
	And then AB 957 is amazing, taking kids away.
	Okay, AB 957, okay.
	Unbelievable.
	Patriot moment.
	And a big protest at Dodger Stadium on Friday.
	Really?
	Got a lot of- Block the lines, guys.
	Who organized it?
	Well, David Hernandez, who's the person, remember I told you that got arrested?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	His group is putting it on, but they've got the archdiocese involved.
	So the Catholic Church is heavily involved.
	They've got bishops coming to speak.
	What kind of numbers?
	I don't know.
	I got to find out.
	I had him on today.
	He says he expects hundreds, but they've given him a whole parking lot.
	They gave him parking lot 13.
	So we'll see.
	Wow, that's exciting.
	I know.
	Well, just to show up.
	How about those people at the White House?
	You know, Grant said, you know, that guy was pretty hot.
	I went, you're disgusting.
	Eric, who's debating that now about the tranny being hot?
	That was Jesse Kelly.
	Jesse Kelly.
	Well, Grant's on board.
	No.
	He's like, she's kind of hot, Jen.
	I was like, oh God.
	Are we really going to relitigate that Andrew Tate argument from a while ago?
	No, no, no, please no.
	And Clay Travis was agreeing with Jesse Kelly as well on Twitter.
	It was like, sorry, we're the truth tellers guys.
	I'm just like.
	Barf city.
	Whoa.
	I'll say this, what scares me is that they are starting to get better at passing for normal people.
	Oh my god!
	At first glance, I wouldn't have known the difference.
	You wouldn't know the difference!
	That's the scary thing!
	Because now you can not only do the important parts, but you can do your lips, your eyes, your cheeks.
	I mean, you can build a woman.
	Well, look at look at Mulvaney's face.
	I know.
	Right?
	Sandra Bullock.
	Ken from Midas Gold was in the studio the other day.
	He's like, she looks like Sandra Bullock.
	And you know what?
	Or he.
	It's amazing.
	Too good.
	And then we're gonna get Jeff in studio for the next block to have fun with Cardillo.
	Where's that tweet?
	Gotta find that tweet.
	Is there anything we need to do?
	Patriot.
	No, no, in terms of cuts...
	Is Jeff going after people on Twitter?
	I like this.
	No, he just always sends me stuff he sees.
	He's the Twitter police.
	Yeah, he's my Twitter radar.
	Right, I'm sending you if you can make this for the next segment, Eric.
	20 seconds.
	Not coming in with anything?
	No, just a picture.
	No.
	No.
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	You can't make this stuff up, especially who Newsom is blaming it on.
	This is a homeless woman in San Diego who kind of like let the cat out of the bag.
	Play cut.
	To be homeless in San Diego is actually not that hard because usually we're low income
	and when you're low income, you get free phones, free food, free clothing.
	I think we're spoiled.
	The homeless and the underprivileged.
	I think we're spoiled, to be honest.
	My sister's like, where do I sign up?
	That's a glimpse behind the curtain, isn't it?
	Free everything!
	I guess, how does that make you low income if you don't have to pay for anything?
	You know, it's the story of California.
	We have now created a homeless... We've incentivized homelessness.
	It's an industry.
	It's become an industry.
	And I'll tell you that I was talking to a friend that works for the CHP.
	And I was telling him how I had seen a homeless encampment in the middle of one of our freeways, in the middle of the highway, in a little patch of land.
	And I thought, this is so dangerous.
	He goes, oh, that's not the half of it.
	He said, these people are setting up shop literally near electric poles so that they can tap into power sources and that many of them in their tents have big screen TVs that they've either stolen or bought.
	They've got appliances.
	They've got stuff going on in there.
	They've created this little tiny home that The rest of us work really hard to pay for in California.
	And Gavin, I don't get it.
	I don't know why Gavin Newsom was on Hannity's show.
	Who did Newsom, gruesome Newsom blame this on?
	Oh, Arnold Schwarzenegger.
	Now, trust me, I will tell you that there is a lot to blame Arnold Schwarzenegger for in California, including the destruction of a strong and flourishing Republican Party.
	But homelessness is not one of them.
	And if you look at the numbers, homelessness grew 50% from 2014 on.
	Because don't forget, it hasn't just been Schwarzenegger, Newsom.
	We had Jerry Brown in there for eight years, who is also a leftist.
	They've created the perfect conditions for people to flourish on the streets.
	And so now not only do you deal with the mental illness and the drug addiction, now not only do you deal with the people who just can't afford to live in their homes, or sometimes their vets, or the people who are truly suffering, but now you've created this whole opening for people who are like vagabonds, Hobos and hippies who have come to our state just simply because it's easy to live on the beach or live on the streets.
	Creating a magnet.
	Alright, we've got a minute and a half.
	Another big story.
	What is AB957, Jen?
	It's an outrage.
	And what it is is a new bill that says that if parents challenge their kids wanting to go through transgender transitioning, gender reassignment, that they could have their kids taken away from them, that they could lose custody and become wards of the state.
	And they don't even have to ask the parents.
	This would be up to schools and to counselors.
	This is passing through the state legislature right now.
	It joins a companion bill about foster parents saying they can't call foster kids by their biologically given gender.
	And of course, the granddaddy of them all that's already in the law, and that is the bill that was signed by the same state senator who introduced 957, Scott Weiner, Yeah, isn't he the pervert that invited the sacrilegious, blasphemous sisters of perpetual indulgence into some... He's the purveyor of all bad ideas in California, is Scott Weiner.
	Isn't he the pervert that invited the sacrilegious, blasphemous sisters of perpetual indulgence
	into some...
	He's the purveyor of all bad ideas in California is Scott Weiner.
	He is unbelievable.
	Well, what is also unbelievable is how gracious you are, given how much... What time did you wake up this morning, Jennifer Horne?
	Oh, I slept in.
	I was up at 4.30 this morning.
	Easy peasy.
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	So I'm going to do the cardillo thing first and then I'm going to, because I've only got
	like this long segment, and then I'm going to torch Kelly so just stay put while I do that.
	Jesse Kelly?
	No!
	John Kelly, sorry.
	John Kelly, that's right.
	John Kelly.
	Oh, titles, by the way.
	Huh?
	Titles for Friend and Horn.
	Friend.
	They're faking the domestic terror threat.
	In quotes.
	FBI whistleblower.
	That's a terrifying... Okay, and Jen?
	Jen, um...
	They just can't stand to see President Trump happy.
	Thank you.
	They just can't stand to see President Trump happy.
	We played almost all the cuts, that's crazy.
	We did.
	We've got HRC, we've got Hillary and Blackburn, and we've got one more of the presidents.
	That's it.
	That's a record.
	I know, with that many cuts.
	12 out of 14.
	No, out of 17.
	60, yeah.
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	Oh, have you got the Cardillo tweet?
	Yes I do.
	So bad.
	He's so bad.
	Again, it's a contest to see who's the most insufferable of all.
	I still think it's Chris Nelson.
	That blonde-haired dude out of Florida.
	The one who's on the Twitter space is always yelling over people.
	Oh, Chris Nelson.
	Nelson, yeah.
	The so-called independent journalist.
	Who's that?
	He's another DeSantis-er, right?
	Oh, yeah.
	Is he the Chris from Florida guy?
	Uh, let's have a look.
	What does he call himself?
	He has, like, long blonde hair.
	Like, bleached blonde hair.
	Long blonde hair.
	But what does he go by?
	Because... Oh, have I got him blocked?
	I probably got him blocked.
	His Twitter handle is ReopenChris.
	ReopenChris.
	Oh, here we go.
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	The left can't stand it.
	He's back on form when they come after him.
	He gets energized.
	But perhaps the people who are even more Badly disposed to what's happened are the DeSantis Never Trumpers.
	I know a lot of them.
	One of them is called John Cardillo and he just posted this stunning, stunning tweet.
	Can we put it up on the screen?
	This is yesterday, Jeff?
	Or today?
	Today or today.
	Okay.
	It's the 14th, right?
	Yeah, today.
	Today.
	I'm just going to read it to you guys.
	Trump isn't programmed properly.
	We need someone who wants to destroy their enemies, craves revenge, that sounds just like DeSantis, and will use every ounce of power to inflict maximum pain on those who've done them wrong.
	Trump wants his enemies to love him.
	He'll forgive and forget, just like he did in 2016.
	Is he off his meds?
	Jeff, you found that.
	I don't understand it.
	Well, I've actually now, the last week with Cardillo, when I get on Twitter, I don't even look at any stories, I go to his feed just for entertainment and I start going through it.
	Because he's gotten now so far over the top.
	But he's one of the key dissenters, what do they call it, surrogates.
	Yes, exactly, on Twitter.
	And it started out, you know, a couple months ago, I was following it.
	They had, I would say, legitimate criticisms of Trump.
	They went to DeSantis, I didn't agree with it, but it was legitimate.
	And they're just starting to get worse and worse and worse.
	It's like they're lashing out more.
	But this doesn't make sense.
	It makes zero sense.
	The day after he's indicted, he's saying he wants to be friends with his enemies?
	If you did a poll right now, out of all the politicians in America, who do you think is most likely to take revenge that people have done them wrong?
	It'd be 80% Donald Trump.
	Right.
	So why are they saying stuff like that?
	It's because...
	They've burnt their bridges, haven't they?
	I think it's because nothing's sticking.
	They thought they were going to get this bounce after the announcement.
	Nothing's really happening.
	And as nothing really changes with the polls, the angrier they're getting.
	And they're just basically making things up.
	Like yesterday, he said he ignored the people in Miami.
	We just showed a video where he went to a cafe, took pictures.
	Did you think... I know President Trump.
	You've met him.
	You came with me to Mar-a-Lago.
	Did you expect he was going to go to a cafe after the arrest?
	Because I didn't expect it.
	No, not at all.
	After the indictment and the mood that he was in.
	It was like he just got done playing golf or something.
	He was happier.
	He just got off a vacation.
	He could care less what just happened.
	And what about how interesting was it for you?
	Let's just continue the conversation.
	Last night in Bedminster, we can do some b-roll or just show those photographs again of the cool patriots that I managed to hang out with yesterday.
	It was interesting, wasn't it?
	Because the speech was much shorter than usual.
	And it was almost all on teleprompter.
	Is that interesting?
	Yeah, and I agree with Bowling.
	The energy level brought me back to 2015.
	I think it's one of the best speeches that he's done in a while.
	And I think he's getting off of this.
	Somewhere it's gotten him that he's got to be this nicer, kind of different person.
	He did it in the Tucker interview.
	He did it with the Hannity interview.
	It didn't work.
	When he did the CNN town hall, the first kind of four or five minutes, he was that way, kind of, almost he looked disinterested.
	Then she kept going after him, and he just went back to being his normal Trump.
	Let it rip, and that's why that town hall was a success.
	That's the combative Trump that we know, who's extemporaneous.
	He's reacting on the fly.
	Didn't you think it was really interesting?
	Because you've watched his speeches for years now.
	When he was in the White House, at least 20-30% of one of his speeches, even at rallies, was off-prompter.
	He'd just go off on a jag.
	Yesterday, there was none of that.
	What does that mean?
	I think it's because it was important.
	Because he knew people were paying attention.
	So they paid attention to the script?
	Yeah.
	And he did what would normally, nobody else would be a boring speech, explaining the presidential acts.
	But he would still put the kind of the jabs in there and then say they didn't do it with Hillary and Joe.
	I think he sold his case yesterday.
	I think he just read my mind.
	He should be my producer.
	I have to play one of the cuts left from yesterday.
	It's about Hillary and Joe.
	He just said it.
	That's why it's Mr. G. Cut two!
	Rotate.
	Joe Biden, as Vice President, had no authority to declassify and no right to possess the documents.
	He had no right.
	Instead of falling under the Presidential Records Act, Biden's actions fell under a much stricter Federal Records Act, which has very, very tough criminal penalties.
	Yet nothing happens to Crooker Joe.
	Nothing happened.
	Have you heard anything about the big search for his documents?
	No.
	Only me.
	Most and famously of all, Hillary Clinton set up An illegal private server in her basement.
	You never heard this story.
	With the deliberate intention of violating public information laws so she could hide her pay-for-play scandals at the Clinton Foundation's or whatever.
	Hillary stored vast quantities of classified and sensitive information on her illicit server.
	Some of it happened to leak.
	It leaked into Anthony Weiner's computer.
	Remember Anthony Weiner?
	into his computer. You don't want to be on his computer.
	And all of it was illegal.
	Because thankfully, she was never president. She didn't have the powers to declassify.
	Thank you. She didn't have the powers to declassify. It's a big difference. And neither
	did Joe. I just realized in that clip, it's what's been reported went viral in the last 24 hours or
	18 hours. That was the Fox clip of Bedminster. And underneath, somebody hijacked the Fox Chiron,
	the lower third that has the subscript.
	And it had Biden on the left at the White House and the president speaking at Bedminster, you know, my president, your president.
	And it said, under Biden, it said, wannabe dictator makes speech at White House after he arrests his, his election rival.
	I guess there's some good people left at Fox who are actually putting chyrons on the TV screen live that Biden is a wannabe dictator.
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	🎵Music🎵 Can't handle the truth?
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	Eric, are you there?
	I'm right here as always.
	Do you like your job?
	Think carefully before you answer.
	I don't like it.
	I love it.
	Ah, nicely done.
	Would you ever apply for a job to work at an institution that you hate or whose CEO you detest?
	Only if my goal is to try to destroy it from the inside, but otherwise, no.
	Good answer.
	I guess that's the excuse for General John... I'm not even going to call him Kelly.
	I'm not going to call him General.
	John Kelly.
	Who's not a Marine, by the way.
	I don't care how many stars he had on his shoulders.
	He's a disgrace.
	He's un-American.
	And he's a traitor to the American people.
	The man who ended up as Chief of Staff for President Trump in the White House, running the White House, just told the Washington Post after the indictment of the President by his political adversary in the next election, most likely.
	They'll have to edit it for, you know, FCC regulations.
	President Trump is scared!
	S-H-I-T-less!
	This is the way he compensates for that.
	He gives the people the appearance he doesn't care by doing this.
	What, smiling?
	You sack of excrement.
	For the first time in his life, it looks like he's being held accountable.
	For what?
	For what?
	Up until this point in his life, it's like, I'm not going to pay you.
	Take me to court.
	Sorry, what?
	Really?
	Really?
	That's weird, because if he didn't pay people, He would be convicted of that.
	Which he hasn't been.
	He's never been held accountable before.
	He's never been held accountable before.
	He's got away with theft.
	So why did you volunteer to work for him, John Kelly?
	You heaping pile of crap.
	You have no honor.
	What man does that?
	Oh, you suddenly realized that he's got away with murder for 50 years?
	Or have you always thought he was like that?
	Then why did you work for him?
	And if you've always thought that, why are you telling us now?
	Is it because of that moment in the White House where you found Corey Lewandowski in the building without your permission?
	A friend of the President's?
	And you grabbed him and threw him against the wall so violently you ripped the button off his jacket?
	And you said, you don't effing come into my building without my permission.
	Your building?
	Whoever elected you to anything?
	You putz.
	You coward.
	I told you what I thought of you at Mount Vernon two years ago.
	You're not an American.
	And we, we're going to defeat all the vermin like you.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	Next up, we're going to go deep dive on the future of Western civilization with the crazies in control with a good friend of mine.
	He's got quite a cushy job.
	He's the bureau chief in Rome for Breitbart.com.
	you You
	You You
	to a very special episode of the Manhood Hour.
	I think I've been I wouldn't say overly excited, I've been very excited by the guests we've had on recently on America First, especially when they're good friends of mine, people who intellectually I have great respect for, or people who are just warriors, like Miriam Grossman, that incredible doctor we had on last week.
	Today it's somebody who we could talk for hours with, because not only does he get the topic, Not only does he understand Western civilization, he's prepared to fight for it.
	He's the author of this brand new work I have in my hands, The Coming Christian Persecution, why things are getting worse and how to prepare for what is to come.
	His name is Dr. Thomas Williams.
	He teaches philosophy and all kinds of yummy things and I'm very jealous of him because he lives in the eternal city of Roma!
	Professor Williams, it's been too long.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Thank you, Dr. Gorka.
	It is always a great pleasure to reconnect with a dear friend and a great warrior like yourself.
	All right.
	Well, I haven't announced it yet, but we will be taking our next listener's trip next year, next summer to Rome, not Israel.
	So I'm going to put it out there.
	I'll give you more details later.
	But if you want to come with me and my wife, maybe meet Professor Williams.
	We're going to Rome for 2024, and I can't wait.
	All right, so the task ahead of us is to understand the assault on classical concepts of manhood, of masculinity.
	Let's start with something a bit more topical, newsworthy, if you will.
	You have a new leader in Italy, Prime Minister Maloney, who's not a man, she is very much a woman, but she seems to be pushing back On this self-loathing of Western civilization, she's promoting classic concepts of family.
	We are 8,000 miles away from you, Thomas.
	How's it going?
	Is this a recrudescence of classic concepts that built our civilization that we could see spread elsewhere?
	Or is this something sui generis to Italy?
	Well, this is something—it is sui generis in the sense that she is very much an Italian, very much a Roman.
	But Georgia Maloney is kind of a paradigm for what we're looking for to save Western civilization today.
	Her motto that she ran on to become prime minister was, I am Georgia.
	I am a woman.
	I am an Italian.
	I am a Christian.
	And I'm a mother.
	And she used these topics that are a little bit out of vogue, but extremely important to those of us who actually care about Western civilization.
	That she chose these different things.
	I am a woman.
	People ask today what a woman is.
	I am a Christian.
	I am a mother.
	I am an Italian.
	And she, as we do America first in the U.S., she's been very much on the Italy first for Italians.
	And I think that every nation should be doing this.
	If you care about the common good, the first common good you have to care about is the good of your own people.
	Yeah.
	We'll discuss it later, but this is something that I'd like to dissect with a scalpel and put it into historic context, that we're in this perverse situation whereby the elites of our countries, unlike Maloney, but here in America and elsewhere, the elites detest the civilization of which they are a member.
	I think this is absolutely perverse, but we'll discuss How that happened in a moment.
	Let's start with our first question for all of our guests.
	When you look at the assault on classic concepts of masculinity, the idea that it's toxic to be strong, to be forthright, how serious is the assault on those concepts?
	Where are we in terms of the assault on manhood?
	The assault on manhood is one of the scariest things that I see, not only in the United States, although they are obviously taking it to a whole new level, but worldwide this is catching on.
	And when people talk about toxic masculinity, what they really mean is masculinity.
	What they really mean is not a form of masculinity that's toxic, but that masculinity itself is toxic.
	Because everything that is traditionally associated with manhood, being a provider, being a protector, being someone who is there to sustain, being someone who's
	able to keep his cool, even when other people are losing theirs.
	Those are things that now are considered toxic because there's been this movement,
	as you very well know, since the 1970s in education to feminize men,
	to make men more and more like women.
	That's been kind of the paradigm in education is talk about your feelings, don't keep them bottled up, don't be, you know, strong and stoic, but actually just pour your heart out, cry, weep on camera, do these things that are traditionally associated with women, because there really is an effort that was, I think, in my view of the thing, There was some envy of this way that men were appreciated in society for these very virtues that were considered very manly and important.
	And I think that it's one of the saddest things in the world to see Western civilization to be trying to push that away when it really was, you know, one of the most essential pillars of our society.
	You can tell we don't fake things here.
	You can hear the Italian sirens in the background.
	Italian sirens are very, very different from American and even British sirens.
	So yeah, he is actually in Rome right now as we're talking to him.
	You are probably the best person to ask this question, given your academic credentials, your background, the fact that you teach.
	Today, what is the center of this?
	Where is the focal point for this assault?
	Because there's so many options to choose from.
	Conservatives, patriots, we don't have the culture anymore.
	The only thing we own is basically talk radio and maybe Twitter.
	I mean, he's not a conservative, but at least, you know, he understands the assault of the transgender and everything else.
	So maybe Elon Musk can be counted as, you know, One of the warriors in this.
	But everything else, the left has taken over, thanks to the Frankfurt School, thanks to the Neo-Marxists, so whether it's Hollywood, the schools, the teacher training colleges, the media, you name it.
	It's theirs for the time being.
	Where is the crux of it all?
	If we're talking about the focal point, where is the assault being generated most importantly?
	Can we identify the epicenter for this ideologically, Professor?
	Well, from my perspective, it seems to me that the epicenter is clearly academia, in the sense that the media elites take their cues from academia.
	It is really the academics that pushed first gender studies and then queer studies and all the other different things.
	And the assault that the radical feminism really got its greatest impetus, not from rank and file.
	This is not a grassroots movement here.
	This is a movement of academic elites who have a very clear, progressive, socialistic program in mind, and they are pushing it.
	And the ideas All have consequences.
	The ideas dribble down and they end up working their way into the media, they work their way into popular literature, they work their way into the mainstream.
	But it starts from a very rarefied ambiance, which is that of higher academics.
	And that is really, it has been now for decades, really kind of the focal point of most of the problems that you can see in the Western world.
	And why did conservatives allow this to happen?
	It seems as if we kind of lurched for the snooze button, to use somebody else's phrase.
	We, you know, kind of watched for decades as we built businesses, got on with our lives, and then woke up one morning and, you know, target selling transgender swimsuits for little boys.
	Well, you know, I think I'll tell you, my experience of this was something that I saw happening—this is a very, very microcosmic view of the situation—what I saw happening in the 1980s in the U.S.
	Bishops' Conference, to take a very, very specific Catholic example.
	The people who were leading the conference were people who were naturally bureaucratic And they didn't want to go out and lead.
	They didn't want to go out and be entrepreneurs.
	They didn't want to go out and change things.
	They wanted to infiltrate.
	They wanted to work the system.
	And the left has always been better at working the system than people on the right.
	People on the right say, let's get down to business.
	Let's build something.
	Let's do something.
	But those who actually know how to work the bureaucratic system, it's a different mentality, it's a different mindset.
	And the people on the left have always been better at this than people on the right.
	People on the right are go-getters, they're leaders, they are And they don't have time for that kind of bureaucratic nonsense.
	It takes patience.
	It takes almost a diabolical patience to be able to sit there and say, little by little, we're going to tweak the system until it's completely ours.
	Yeah.
	Death by a thousand cuts and the collectivist mindset.
	We're talking to Professor Thomas Williams.
	Please follow him on Twitter at TDWilliamsRome and ThomasDWilliams.com.
	The book is The Coming Christian Persecution.
	We will discuss it.
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	These are the children of incarcerated parents here in America.
	Let's hear from one of the parents about just how important your donations to support these young children are.
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	It actually brought my children hope that their dad was thinking about them, and they were an extension of my hand to them, and God got glory out of it.
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	To hear an incarcerated father thank you for what you've done for his children, there's more than a million girls and boys in America, Who are missing a parent because of a crime they committed.
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	God bless every single one of you.
	Professor Williams, let's get to the personal aspect of this interview.
	These are the things, the questions I enjoy so very, very much.
	If you had to define what a man is or what a man should be, what are the non-negotiable characteristics?
	A man has to be faithful.
	I think that's one that has been attacked by feminists, but it's also an area where men themselves have defaulted.
	If we see what's happening, particularly in the black community, for example, the lack of fathers that are standing with their commitments, standing with the promises that they made.
	Faithfulness, in my mind, is number one of what a man has to be.
	A man has to be true, true to his word, true to his promises, true to what he says he's going to do.
	A man has to be courageous because courage is the only virtue that allows us to stand up to difficulty when things become harder and harder, when things become boring, when things become not what I expected.
	The willingness to stand firm and to say, I'm in for the long haul requires an enormous amount of courage.
	Courage, a virtue which is all but forgotten in the modern world because we talk about nurturing and caring and compassion and tenderness and all these other softer virtues and we've lost sight of some of these harder virtues, if you will, that men historically have always brought to the fore, right?
	Men have to be providers.
	They have to be willing to be there and to be protectors and providers and to be there when other people need them, to lean on them, and to look beyond their own needs, their own interests, in order to be able to see those of other people around them that need what they have to offer.
	And these are some of the things I think that, again, these are these are virtues that we speak so little about because they're associated with, again, that ridiculous term of toxic masculinity when men actually knew how to be men.
	And I remember seeing this come on when I was in high school.
	I went on a date with this girl and I went around and opened her door and she said, you know, I can open my door for myself.
	Wow.
	And I said, yes, I'm perfectly aware of that.
	Do you think that I was insinuating that you're incapable of opening the door by opening?
	Do you think that was the message I was giving?
	Needless to say, we didn't go out again.
	But this is when it was starting.
	We're talking now about the late 1970s, early 1980s.
	This was already becoming a thing.
	Wow.
	Faithful, courageous, and provider.
	Superb response.
	We're talking to the Rome Bureau Chief of Breitbart.com, Professor Thomas D. Williams.
	Professor, my favorite question to all of our guests, because I get so many varied responses.
	For those who are lucky, it is their father.
	For others, it was a football coach.
	For some, it was a fictional character, a hero they read about in a book.
	Who formed your conceptualization of what it means to be a real man?
	Who influenced Well, at the risk of sounding very trite because this is simply the truth, it was my father.
	And my father and I, my father just died about a year and a half ago.
	He and I could not have been more different temperamentally.
	Our personalities were never alike.
	But what I saw in my dad was Again, that true, faithful, day-to-day, just man.
	It's the way that St.
	Joseph is characterized in the Scriptures, as being a just man.
	My father was always just.
	He was never acted out of passion or irrationality in a way that was unfair.
	He was just.
	And when someone is just, you appreciate what it is.
	Even in punishment, you say, all right, that's fair.
	That was proportionate.
	It was real.
	He would say, I remember the few times there was some serious punishment.
	This is going to hurt me more than it's going to hurt you.
	And I'd say, oh, come on, that's not true.
	And you realize over time, it was absolutely true because he loved and his love was shown through his justice and through the way that he acted in that very Kind and yet rational and just way.
	So that was my outstanding character in my growing up.
	I'm curious, and you're very fortunate for those who can say it was their father.
	They are very, very lucky men.
	I'm curious, how were you different temperamentally, the two of you?
	Well, I was very social, very outgoing, very risky in a lot of things.
	My dad was very Day to day, he did exactly what he had to do.
	He would get up early in the morning.
	He would drive an hour to work.
	He worked at Chrysler for 43 years.
	He was an engineer.
	He just did his job.
	He was, he was very true.
	He was very dependable.
	He was very reliable.
	He was very much, he was there, but he wasn't, you wouldn't say he was an exciting guy.
	He wasn't the sort of person you call, Oh, you know, let's call Bill Williams for a laugh or to get together for, that just wasn't who he was.
	He was more kind of the backbone, the oak tree of the family.
	that was always there and you could count on.
	But he wasn't the sort of guy that you'd say, oh, who's the first guy I need to call if I want to go out and, you know, have a beer with somebody.
	It was not my dad.
	Which, you know, in the end, I know this too about my mom.
	My mom dated guys who were more social and more fun.
	And in the end, she opted for him because she said in the long run, this kind of guy is more bang for your buck.
	This kind of guy is the one that's with you for the long haul.
	And you always say, thank God I married him.
	Like an oak tree.
	That is a great, great description for how a man should be.
	The book is The Coming Christian Persecution, Our Manhood.
	Our guest is Professor Thomas D. Williams.
	He is the Bureau Chief.
	Who gets the job as Rome Bureau Chief for Breitbart.
	I mean, seriously, who did he pay off to get that job?
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	For children.
	In places like Texas, we're seeing perversion being used to attack the innocent.
	We're seeing Truly blasphemous things occur.
	You know, the LA Dodgers inviting this group of, you know, transvestite anti-Christians who make a mockery of the crucifixion.
	I mean, just truly shocking stuff.
	If we're going to push back on all of this, What would you put in a curriculum for young boys?
	What must we start to teach them at the age of 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, that we inculcate the right concepts of manhood?
	Well, you, I bet you remember, I remember it was maybe 20 years ago now, it seems like yesterday,
	but Bill Bennett, who used to be the Secretary of Education under Ronald Reagan, he put out this amazing book called
	the Book of Virtues.
	And what it was, was a collection of the classic stories and fables and poetry of Western civilization, all of which kind of drove home those values and virtues that made Western civilization great.
	It was something that had been progressively pushed out of the curriculum by left-wing educrats, because they hate this, because all of these are tales with a morality.
	They're tales that actually are meant to teach virtue and character I'd start there.
	I'd start by going back to the classic.
	You don't need to reinvent the wheel here.
	We don't need to rewrite all of literature.
	We need to rediscover the great literature that already exists and that already is there to bolster the values that we know have made Western civilization great for two millennia and more.
	Because, honestly, the ancient Greek and Roman civilizations even precede that in many of these questions.
	I think there it's a rediscovery.
	It's a culling.
	It's looking for the right things, sifting through them, getting the right ones together.
	People are doing this now in upper education with great books programs, just going back to the classics, getting kids to read more, getting them off their cell phones, getting them off their video games.
	Having a story, not a drag queen story hour, but a real story hour with stories, with Aesop's fables, with stories about George Washington and Ben Franklin and Abraham Lincoln.
	Stories, you know, the classic stories that actually meant something to people and helped you to have a sense of worth and value as you're growing up.
	I don't think it's a cheat answer.
	I think it's actually a genius answer, so we don't have to reinvent the wheel.
	When we've got the Odyssey, when we've got the Iliad, when we've got the fables, the tales of Hercules, and on and on and on, we just need to reintroduce them, is what you're saying.
	Absolutely.
	I mean, it used to be, for example, even in public schools back in the day, you had readings even from the Bible.
	Yeah.
	You had readings, because this was considered Both important Western literature, extremely important foundational Western literature, but also just something that helped inculcate values that we believed in.
	Now that we have become not only a post-Christian society, but in many ways an anti-Christian society, the left wants it to be that, that this has no place.
	But, and a lot of those values that we trace back are faith-based values, and there's nothing we can do about it.
	We are a Judeo-Christian nation by its foundation, and in the value system that understands what the family is, what society is, what's the...
	What's the relationship between government and family, government and the individual?
	What's the relationship between economics and politics?
	These are all things that have deep roots in faith-based questions and we can't do away with those either.
	Yeah, we have to understand where our civilization came from.
	It's Greco-Roman-Judeo-Christian.
	It's very simple.
	Greco-Roman-Judeo-Christian are the value systems upon which our civilization is built.
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	Right, so I want to go back to the genesis of all this, or rather the strategic end point of it all.
	What is the left trying to achieve, or what are those who hate us?
	Do they really want to collapse our civilization?
	Because I look at, you know, books such as James Lindsay's Cynical Theories, and I read the actual founding documents of the New Left, of the queer theory professors, and they say things, they use foul language, I can't use here because of, you know, radio rules in America, but they actually write In theoretical pieces, that our goal is to make the normal abnormal and we want to F with the mind of our students.
	Is it really that cynical and anarchic?
	What are the enemies of masculinity or even femininity?
	What are they trying to achieve ultimately?
	Is it just anarchy?
	I think anarchy is a big part of it.
	I think there are really those who want to burn it all down.
	They just want to see the end start all over again.
	But I always go back to I think the anthem of the left and what it's looking for is imagined by John Lennon.
	You look at this world that is painted in these soft tones, and imagine there's no borders, there's no countries, there's no religion, there are no nations, there are no—it's just the brotherhood of all.
	This sense of—I think that is the utopian dream that they put forward.
	I think they're actually undermining even that, because they're not obviously leading people to love one another and to act as brothers, but to hate one another and to burn each other down.
	I think that we can say this on your program, we wouldn't say this maybe on every program, but I think that there is a spiritual warfare question going on here, too.
	I think that it's not just the human motives and things that people think that they are after that they're after.
	I think that there are spiritual factors here, satanic factors, that actually look for the demolition of mankind, that actually look for the demolition of souls, that look for people to be destroyed and civilization to be destroyed.
	And I think that many lend themselves to this, and I'm sorry, I don't mean to make this into, you know, Preacher's Hour or something, but I think that that is a factor that we also need to take into consideration.
	You don't need to apologize here.
	Not on this show.
	It's no accident.
	I mean, how is it an accident that the British designer of the Target transgender swimwear for little boys and girls is a vowed Satanist?
	Who actually says, you know, I don't worship him, but I love the idea of Satan as a revolutionary.
	Well, I'm sorry.
	I mean, you've opened the door.
	You've opened the door to the dark side.
	You've opened the door to, you know, the devil.
	Truly.
	I mean, it's not an accident.
	So no, I absolutely concur.
	Where are we at right now with this?
	Because you said courage is one of the virtues.
	It's been said by others, but courage is the virtue that makes the other virtues possible.
	I look at the last two years as an immigrant to America, and I'm truly saddened.
	My heart's a little broken.
	That in a nation built upon rugged individualism, you know, go west young man, go forth, we had a nation basically say yes to fascistic collectivist shutdowns.
	You know, we'd have one restaurant owner in California, one gym owner in New Jersey say, no Fauci, I'm going to feed my children, my employees are going to feed my children.
	Can you diagnose where we're at in terms of courage?
	Have we forgotten it?
	Is it dormant?
	Is it Gulliver asleep?
	Is it Rick Van Winkle?
	Are you an optimist or a pessimist when it comes to this threat that we are facing?
	Well, you know, I consider myself a realist.
	And so I think the picture that you paint is very dire and very true.
	I think that we're in a very bad place.
	And I think it would be, again, utopic to say we're not.
	I am a person of hope.
	I am a man who believes that, first of all, I believe in the country.
	I believe in the values that make America great, that have always made America great.
	I believe that there are hundreds of thousands, millions of Americans who still cherish those things, many of whom who are not political actors.
	They're just raising their families and going to work and doing the right thing.
	Um, but I think we do need to wake up.
	I think your Rip Van Winkle analogy is really good.
	We need to, you know, poke that sleeping bear, poke that, you know, sleeping old man, wake him up after his 20 years and say, look, this has got to stop.
	And sometimes we need to band together.
	We need to stand shoulder to shoulder and say, this cannot continue.
	Our nation cannot continue down this path.
	And we need great leaders, but we also need great citizens who are willing to do this.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	We need President Trump back in the White House.
	We need Maloney reelected on and on and on.
	And we need more of them.
	What is the next phase of this response?
	I think Jordan Peterson has done, you know, a lion's share of the work when it comes to revitalizing this concept of responsibility for young men, and of course the millions of books he's selling prove that.
	But it's not enough.
	There has to be the next phase.
	What is the next phase in recapturing manhood?
	What do you envisage?
	I think it's two-pronged in the sense that I think from adulthood we need to take a stand in woke businesses, we need to take a stand in the academy when we can, we need to take a stand in politics.
	But Hand in hand with that, we need a real effort, as you were talking about before, in kindergarten, in preschool, in grade schools, to retake the curriculum, to really retake education.
	And that's a battle that we gave up a long time ago that we have to get back into.
	Education, as long as you're leaving that in the hands of the left, you have to do twice the work because you have to undoctrinate.
	You have to deprogram, if you will.
	Young people have gone through all these years of lies and indoctrination, and then you have to give them the truth.
	Whereas if you can actually start with the truth at a young age, then you get a whole new battalion of young people who understand this is common sense, this is real, this is historic, this is the way life is.
	So I think we need both things.
	We need to battle at the level of laws and ideas and culture, and we also really need to battle at the level of education.
	Yeah, if my wife, my muse, who absolutely detests politics, can run for local office because they had a transgender, or they had a drag queen story hour for children at the local library, and she said no, that's not happening on my watch, and she won her election.
	If Katie Gorka can be part of the fight, who detests politics, and every single one of our millions of listeners You need to be part of the solution.
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	Alright, come in with the papal cup.
	I would like to invite each of you to listen carefully to God's voice in your heart.
	you Listen to His voice.
	Do not be afraid.
	Do not be afraid.
	For me, I'm a cradle Catholic.
	I think it's the most important thing Saint John Paul II said.
	For me.
	For me.
	Be not afraid.
	Be not afraid.
	Professor, we've been talking about the need for courage in the face of this ideological assault on our civilization.
	Your book is The Coming Christian Persecution.
	It's part and parcel of what we've been discussing, the assault on masculinity, the negation of womanhood.
	This is an assault on our civilization, on Western Christian civilization.
	Tell us a little bit about why you wrote the book and what our response should be to a persecution that is happening as we speak.
	Well, I wrote the book primarily, Sebastian, because for the last eight years I've been covering topics of Christian persecution.
	I've been watching it around the world.
	I've been writing about it on a day-to-day basis, and I've been kind of just really overwhelmed by the facts.
	The individual stories and the statistics of how widespread—it's something that is just, again, overwhelming.
	That, hand-in-hand with the fact that so many people, the vast majority of people, including
	Christians themselves, are unaware of the magnitude of the problem. We just don't
	understand how serious it is.
	And that's what really moved me to write this. And the reason I call it the coming Christian
	persecution—it's already happening now. It's not like it's not a today thing, but it's getting worse.
	The fact is that the drivers of Christian persecution, when we're talking about radical secularism, or we're talking about Islamic extremism, or whether we're talking about Hindu nationalism in the case of India, when we're talking about atheistic communism in North Korea or China, we go around the world, we see all these different drivers of Christian persecution.
	They're not getting weaker, they are getting stronger.
	But meanwhile, the traditional bastions and the defenders of religious liberty and the defenders of
	Christians throughout the world are getting weaker and weaker. And in one case, the saddest
	case for me as an American, in our own United States of America, where the very
	elements of our politics and of our security are being turned and weaponized against Christians
	themselves, whether it's because they're pro-life Christians or because they're
	considered too conservative.
	Or whether they go to Latin Mass, I was about to say, whether they dare to go to traditional forms of Catholic worship.
	Exactly.
	It's something that's really very scary to see, the accelerated pace with which this is happening.
	It's not happening by dribs and drabs, it's not happening, you know, maybe we'll see something in 50 years.
	The change is palpable on a week-by-week basis, and that's really, that was the motivating force.
	And also, honestly, some really scary statistics like the fact that 3 out of 4 people in the world who are persecuted for their faith, of any faith, 3 out of 4 of those, 75% are Christians.
	The fact that over 340 million Christians worldwide live under regimes, live in situations where day-to-day they fear for their lives because of their Christian faith.
	The fact that 13 Christians are killed every single day around the globe, killed because of their Christian faith.
	These are scary things.
	These are true things.
	And these are things that really should wake us up to take a stand and become much more active in this.
	Well, I think we must have the good professor back to discuss purely that topic.
	Today he has been our guest for the Manhood Hour.
	It has an endorsement by none other than former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, so you must get the book right now, The Coming Christian Persecution, and follow him at Thomas D. Williams.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This has been the Manhood Hour of America First.
	Wherever you are, whatever you're doing, keep your head on the swivel.
	Watch your six.
	Hold the line.
	Never give up.
	Never give in.

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