Knowledge Fight Interactive Search Tool

All Episodes

Previous Next

June 6, 2023 - Sebastian Gorka

02:24:58

Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Are they going to indict President Trump?

Large

Audio Only |

Scroll

Time	Text
	So.
	.
	Why?
	Why did you do it?
	What impelled you to put aside the instinct for self-preservation and risk your lives to take these cliffs?
	What inspired all the men of the armies that met here?
	We look at you and somehow we know the answer.
	It was faith and belief.
	It was loyalty and love.
	The men of Normandy had faith that what they were doing was right Faith that they fought for all humanity, faith that a just God would grant them mercy on this beachhead or on the next.
	The great Ronald Reagan speaking in Normandy, because today, of course, we remember the greatest amphibious landing in military history, 79 years ago today.
	Young men, average age 26, who stormed the beaches in the face of withering machine gun fire.
	For what?
	What were the odds?
	Why did they do it?
	Was it simply because they were ordered to do so?
	No.
	They understood the stakes involved.
	They understood that they were fighting for liberty.
	They were fighting against the enslavement of the European continent The completion of Hitler's final solution for the Jews, and to stop those who would rob our friends, our allies, and even us through the Axis forces of our freedom.
	Does that America still exist today?
	I believe it does.
	I believe outside of the metropolis, outside of the bi-coastal elite on the east and west seaboard, it does exist.
	But it is endangered.
	It is threatened primarily, not today, by external enemies.
	Yes, we have those as well.
	We have China as the number one threat, a nation that has sworn by the 100th anniversary of the communist takeover of that nation for 2048 to be the preeminent force in the world and to have every other nation subservient to it, either defeated or a tributary nation.
	That is the plan of the CCP.
	They have said so.
	Or whether it is those who for religious reasons detest us, The jihadis who we've kind of forgotten off thanks to President Trump and his destruction of the ISIS caliphate.
	They're still around and they still want to kill us because we're not Muslim.
	Because we don't believe in the preeminence of their faith.
	Or whether it is the sub-sect, not Sunni extremists, but Shia extremists, who run the country of Iran.
	Or whether it is the former KGB colonel in Moscow, who really never recovered, never got over the loss of the Soviet Union, the collapse of the Iron Curtain.
	We have those external enemies.
	And they are rising under this administration's lack of leadership, perhaps their vulnerability.
	Who knows what's in that document that the chairman, Chairman Comer, has seen regarding bribery of the then vice president, who is now the president of the United States.
	Are they beholden to Beijing?
	We don't know.
	They could be.
	These threats are real and they are rising.
	But the internal threat is perhaps the preeminent one today.
	We have an elite, not just in this city, not just in Washington, D.C., not just in the White House, but running the major cities of our nation, And some of the biggest states, like California, who actually hate America, who can't comprehend for one second why a 17-year-old would lie about his age to volunteer and to be deployed against all odds, maybe not even to survive against the forces of darkness.
	Holding the Normandy beaches.
	Because the only reason you do that, the only reason you jump out of a perfectly good plane or get onto one of those landing craft to be dropped in enemy territory, the only reason you do that is because you believe in that which you are fighting for.
	That you believe in your nation, that you believe in the values upon which it is founded, and that you believe so much in it.
	Not only are you prepared to lie about your age, to volunteer and to put on the cloth of the Republic and be handed an M1 Garand rifle, and to be trained to kill for your country, but you believe so much in it that you are prepared to die For that country.
	You are prepared to risk your earthly existence.
	Be blown to smithereens by a artillery shell.
	Shot by a German machine gun nest.
	Or a sniper.
	Because you are fighting for the greater good.
	Because you know that you are on the side of the angels.
	There's a fascinating aspect about World War II that we don't think enough about.
	After Vietnam, and after the G-WAT, the deployment to Afghanistan and Iraq, we saw a spate, a true epidemic of psychiatric problems suffered by our veterans.
	What became known as post-traumatic stress syndrome, PTSD.
	I mean, really, unparalleled, to a point at which 22 veterans were taking their lives every single day.
	22 veterans in America.
	Strange thing is, we didn't have that in the 1950s.
	We didn't have... I mean, we had 12 million men in uniform by the end of World War II.
	12 million!
	But we didn't see rashes, spates of suicides across America after our GIs demobilized and rebuilt our nation.
	Why is that?
	Why did we not... I mean, they didn't talk about it.
	That was their generation.
	They didn't talk about it.
	They didn't play the victim.
	They kept quiet and maybe shed a tear.
	Once a year when they thought about the friends they'd lost in the Battle of the Bulge, or on Iwo Jima, in a plane shot down over Germany.
	Why?
	Why did we not have those problems amongst the greatest generation?
	Because they had been told by the likes of Eisenhower, by the likes of their president, That they were fighting for God, for all that is just, for what is right, for the protection of the innocent, against the evils of our enemy.
	That didn't happen in Vietnam.
	On the contrary, we were painted as the evil empire.
	In Afghanistan and Iraq, what were we fighting for?
	It wasn't clear what we were fighting for.
	And as a result, people came home questioning not what they'd done, but what they'd seen and how to internalize it.
	That America is still alive and well.
	But that America is being run by people who hate America.
	And it's our job to change it.
	We've got about barely a year and a half to go.
	What are you going to do about it?
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	We've only just begun.
	Very special in-studio guest for the rest of the hour.
	Then Lord Black will be joining us and we'll have a special one-on-one on the threat of artificial intelligence.
	Don't go anywhere.
	Make sure you are following us.
	Apply to subscribe to our podcast right now.
	Plug in my name, Sebastian Gawker, America First, wherever you get your podcasts.
	Leave us a five-star review.
	Share the links with your friends.
	And then check out the America First store, SebGawkerStore.com, to get your I stand with 45 flag and t-shirt.
	Don't forget it's Pride Month.
	Get your LGBTQ t-shirt as well.
	Let's get Biden to quit.
	at Gorkastore.com We'll be back in a moment.
	www.gorkastore.com www.gorkastore.com
	You You
	You On the side of the U.S.
	Constitution, America first.
	Can you make a difference?
	Yes, you can.
	On this show, you can.
	I want to share with you an audio from Betsy, who works for the prison fellowship Angel Tree Summer Camps, who's going to explain to you if you haven't made a donation yet to these children who've lost a parent to the prison system, why you should.
	Let's listen to Betsy.
	If you're thinking about giving to Angel and they're going to impact a child's life, possibly for
	their entire future.
	So please, please give if you can, and I thank you so much for your giving and your willingness
	to walk beside us in this ministry.
	This is a ministry because there's more than a million girls and boys in America with a
	parent in prison, and more than 70% of those children will end up incarcerated.
	That's shocking.
	Let's break that cycle.
	Let's send them to a safe Christian summer camp.
	This is the Late Chuck Colson's Amazing Prison Fellowship.
	It's $200 per trial, but whatever you can afford, you could literally be saving a life.
	Please call in your donation to 888-206-2794 or just go to our website.
	It's very easy.
	Just a couple of clicks.
	SebGawker.com and the angel tree banner at the top.
	That's S-E-B G-O-R-K-A, SebGorker.com and the Angeltree banner or call 888-206-2794.
	We are delighted, nay, we are honored to have in studio, former chairman of the Intelligence Committee of the House, the man who is in charge of President Trump's burgeoning media empire, making exciting things like Truth Social such a success.
	Devin Nunes, welcome in studio.
	It's great to be here, Seabass.
	And I hear Seabass has taken off.
	Seabass?
	I get callers calling me Seabass now.
	You started something.
	I think it's a good nickname.
	Thank you, thank you.
	I've got to ask you before we get down to business, what's it like for you to come back into this stinking cesspit that is Washington?
	Well, at least it's not too hot outside.
	Yeah, it's manageable.
	But, you know, it's better than what it was when the Democrats were in control.
	OK.
	But the city, I don't know if you noticed this, but there's just not too many people here.
	It's a dying city.
	After COVID, it just never recovered.
	Yeah, it's very strange.
	I mean, obviously, I was in the Capitol this morning and seeing a lot of my old colleagues there.
	You know, it's good.
	It's good to have it being run by normal people again.
	Unlike, you know, Pelosi kept it locked down.
	Yeah.
	The last couple of years I was in Congress.
	Razor wire.
	Nobody could go inside.
	The people's house.
	Yeah.
	So it's nice to see there's people in there.
	But the city itself seems to me like there must be a lot of empty commercial real estate around here.
	There is.
	Let's talk about one of your colleagues.
	He's the chairman of the committee looking into corruption and the Biden family cartel.
	There was a briefing.
	They weren't allowed to keep the document.
	They weren't allowed to share it with their colleagues.
	But let's listen to James Comer.
	The claims made in the document are consistent with what we found and disclosed to you all in Romania.
	It suggests a pattern of bribery where payments would be made through shell accounts and multiple banks There's a term for that.
	It's called money laundering.
	And that, again, is what the majority of the suspicious activity reports also said.
	So we feel that this accusation is consistent with a pattern that we're seeing, frankly, in other countries, too.
	Now, let me run a theory past you, Devin.
	The fact that first, the FBI officially wrote to the chairman and said, we're not giving you this document from a confidential source that says Vice President Biden received $5 million to change U.S.
	policy.
	Then he reneged.
	Then he said that Chairman Comer could see it, but his colleagues couldn't.
	This has led the chairman to say that, well, we're going to hold you in contempt.
	You don't get to decide what Congress sees.
	That speaks to this being a very serious document, does it not?
	That the FBI is trying to hide it so badly?
	Well, and it also takes us back to 2017 and 2018.
	These are the same tricks that they tried then, right?
	It's like we just went into a time machine.
	You have all these toys up here from Battlestar Galactica to Star Wars.
	I don't know, do you have, what was the movie with Michael J. Fox, Back to the Future?
	Do you have one of those, DeLorean?
	You need a DeLorean?
	I need a DeLorean.
	Because we just went into DeLorean and we went back to 17.
	And it's the same crap.
	I think what they first said was, we don't know what you're talking about.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Right.
	That was the first thing.
	And then they're like, OK, you have three weeks.
	And then the three weeks came up.
	And then they wrote a letter on the day.
	It was a Friday night, typical.
	And they said, oh, we're working on it.
	Then they gave them another week.
	And then they said, well, you're not going to be able to see it.
	Then they said, well, we're going to hold you in contempt.
	And they said, OK, you can come and see it.
	And then what do they say today?
	People are going to die.
	Yeah, so we have- Everybody's going to die.
	Everybody, with the FBI, anybody around Biden or anybody, you know, remember last time they said that somebody's going to die?
	When?
	Oh, you don't remember that?
	Remind us.
	It was during the Russia hoax.
	And we said, steal dossier.
	Where's your source?
	You got any Russians anywhere?
	You got Russians?
	Tell us, show them some Russians.
	So who are they?
	Oh, we can't tell.
	People are going to die if we give this to you.
	But hang on a second.
	And then we find out.
	What do we find out?
	The Russian is not a Russian.
	He's a guy born in Russia.
	He was living like a few blocks from here.
	Literally, I think he's like a few blocks from here.
	Working for Brookings.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	A guy who was already identified by the FBI as a foreign asset of a foreign intelligence service.
	And they were paying him.
	But here's the strange thing.
	He was going to die though.
	Why would an informant who is alleging President Biden took money to take to change U.S.
	policy.
	Why would his life be in danger?
	Who would endanger his life?
	Would it be the Bidens?
	Are we saying the president wants to kill informers now?
	This is strange, isn't it?
	You know what?
	I didn't think of it like that.
	But yeah, you're exactly right.
	Who exactly is going to kill him?
	Who would profit from his death?
	Except the person being accused.
	I mean, look, I'm not going to try to take their side of this because I told you all that story because they're lying.
	Ray is hopelessly corrupt, okay?
	So, they're making this stuff up as they go along, and it's the same plays they ran in 2017 and 2018 when they tried to stop our investigation.
	Now, you could say, if this informant is in a foreign country, and he's somewhere... I mean, you know how this works.
	If he's a source in a dangerous, restricted area... A place somewhere, it's possible.
	It's possible.
	But highly unlikely.
	I mean, that's what I was telling my colleagues today that were asking me about, you know, this whole situation.
	And I said, look, this is the boy that cried wolf.
	You cannot take these guys.
	They had so many chances over the last... This wasn't like one or two times.
	I mean, they've been doing this now since 2017.
	I'm talking about just Ray.
	Ray entered on the scene in 17.
	But you got more corruption before that.
	Many of those people are still there.
	You see what James Comey is out in the news saying today.
	So, you cannot.
	The Congress has got to step in.
	It's the only power they have.
	Is the power of an investigation of oversight and we don't have checks and balances.
	We don't have an American government if we don't have oversight of the executive and right now the FBI is acting as if there is no oversight over them.
	We're talking to the CEO of the Trump Media and Technology Group, Devin Nunes.
	Follow him at DevinNunes on Truth Social.
	Follow us as well.
	We are everywhere that matters.
	Truth Social, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Parler.
	Get a Telegram.
	You can watch us on your television through your Roku, Fire Stick or other devices.
	Get the Salem News Channel app.
	And don't forget my Substack for unique content and access to me.
	That's SebastianGorka.Substack.com.
	My whole name is one word.
	SebastianGorka.Substack.com.
	you you
	you .
	I know Sebastian well.
	Listen to him.
	He's with us.
	Thank you, Mr. President.
	Most kind.
	My guest is asking me, do we go on Rumble?
	Yes!
	We stream on Rumble.
	We put the segments on Rumble.
	And of course, we are on Truth Social.
	If you love what we provide for you, as much as we love providing it to you, support those who make it possible.
	Great patriots like Mike Lindell.
	Another friend of the President, the inventor of the original MyPillow, of which we have sold, he has sold 71 million.
	They're that good!
	He's just launched the 2.0.
	Get yours today.
	He's got some amazing BOGO offers and if you use my name, you'll get another...
	Up to 66% off the other items on his page.
	More than 150 of them.
	You name it.
	From pajamas to mattress toppers.
	My dogs Leah and Killian love their MyPillow pet beds.
	I love the sheepskin line slippers.
	Get yours today.
	MyPillow.com.
	Code Gawker.
	Or call in and talk to a real person.
	You know?
	Remember those?
	Someone here in America who will take your order?
	800-829-8468 mypillow.com that's 800-829-8468 mypillow.com promo code G-O-R-K-A.
	We're talking Russia collusion, we're talking about Romanian businessmen, pay-to-play deals, the Biden crime
	cartel.
	We're the man who knows more than anyone else about corruption and the perversion of the executive here in America, former chairman of the Intelligence Committee of the House, Devin Nunes.
	Devin, I'm sure you've seen this clip, former White House press secretary with a classic rhino.
	This is Chris Sununu of New Hampshire.
	What she did does to interrupt.
	For those who you are watching on Rumble, watch Chris Sununu's face when she says, yeah, yeah, yeah, there was a Russian collusion.
	Cut four.
	They are beating up on Trump for political reasons.
	Everybody sees that.
	What happened with the Russian collusion that never existed effectively exonerated the guy so he can play a victim card.
	You've all created a situation where God, what kind of planet are we on where Donald Trump's become the victim?
	Well, first of all, I think we very clearly know that Putin and the Kremlin did intervene in our election in order to try to help Donald Trump back in 2016.
	So we know that is true.
	But you may think that they shouldn't engage in this as a messaging tool because it's not helpful to them.
	Is that what you're saying?
	Yeah, I'm not going to re-litigate the Russian collusion nonsense that went on for two years.
	You don't need to re-litigate it.
	It's been litigated by lawyers and investigators.
	It's nonsense.
	They're never going to give it up, are they, Devin?
	I guess they can't.
	It's a religion now.
	It's a cult.
	Yeah, it's a cult.
	You know, when you think back...
	During the Obama years.
	And I think I remember you because you were, I can't remember where you were, you were doing some think tank stuff back in the day.
	I remember meeting with you back in... Yeah, I was teaching for the Marine Corps.
	That's what it was.
	Yeah, I remember meeting with you back in those days.
	And I remember having these conversations with you about how weak Obama and his whole team were on Russia.
	And you know, I went out in early 2016, the same time they were launching this phony probe, and I said the biggest intelligence failure since 9-11 was Our intelligence agencies and our whole government inability to understand Putin's plans and intentions.
	And it was because of Obama, his team, including Biden.
	Those guys wouldn't do jack.
	I mean, I used to go to, I spent a lot of time in Poland and Romania and I'd be, you know, many years on the road there.
	And Putin was doing whatever the hell he wanted there.
	So the whole idea, whenever they brought up in 16, they brought up that the Russians want Trump.
	Why would they want Trump?
	Because they can get away with what they want.
	They were getting everything they could possibly want with Obama.
	Why would they not want Hillary Clinton?
	But let's stay on this, Obama and Russia, because now we have all the evidence with regards to Blinken, with regards to Jake Sullivan.
	With regards to the collusion between the Obama administration, the Biden campaign eventually, these are people who in 15 used Russia to distort an election in such a way that threatened our relationship with a nuclear nation.
	I'm no fan of Vladimir Putin, but the fact that for a domestic, for a domestic election ploy, you'd make up this garbage about hotel rooms in Moscow?
	That means that these people aren't just corrupt, they don't care about playing Russian roulette with America.
	Right.
	Well, and if anybody, that's the first time I remember meeting you.
	I mean, nobody understands this better than you, and your family, and your background, where your parents came from.
	I mean, you know Eastern Europe like no other.
	You know the threat of the Soviet Union like no other.
	So imagine, and I spent 15 years of my career talking about this issue before the Russia hoax stuff, and then spent another five years dealing with the crap before I left.
	These people are willing to do and say anything.
	I had not seen that clip.
	You haven't seen it?
	No, I had not seen that clip.
	Hold your thought.
	We're going to expand upon what they're prepared to do with Devin Nunes.
	Follow him right now.
	Get an account if you don't have one right now on Truth Social.
	Follow him at Devin Nunes.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	We are coming to you live from just outside the swamp that is Washington D.C.
	from the relieffactor.com studio.
	It's Relief Factor.
	Pain relief that works.
	Pain relief that's real.
	Pain relief that is liberating.
	Half a million Americans from their daily pain.
	Me included.
	But it's not just me.
	It's people like Debran from Massachusetts.
	This is Debran's story.
	I just started taking Relief Actor four days ago.
	My hip pain is gone.
	I had a horrible time sleeping because of the pain.
	I absolutely love how I am feeling.
	Thank you, Relief Factor.
	That should be you.
	That could be you, but there's only one way to find out, but it's super easy.
	Order the three-week quick starter pack at relieffactor.com.
	It'll be at your door in three days or less.
	Take it morning and evening like I do, and I promise you, Dr. G's guarantee, by the end of those three weeks, you will know whether it works for you like it works for me, Debra, and 500,000 of your fellow Americans.
	Call right now!
	800-583-84, reliefactor.com, reliefactor.com.
	800-583-84.
	www.reliefactor.com.
	The Impeachment and conviction of fake news.
	America first.
	That's what we do here, but also we help you prepare.
	Do you understand that we have another year and a half of this insanity?
	Another year and a half?
	Do you have a plan B?
	What happens next time when it's not just baby formula that runs out of the local grocery store?
	What happens when it's the staples for life?
	Do you have a plan?
	I do.
	Because I've chosen the best and biggest in the business.
	My Patriot Supply and their emergency ration kits.
	They last for 25 years.
	The three-month kit right now is $200 off.
	Do you want to be that husband?
	That father?
	That grandfather?
	Who can't feed his family?
	No.
	It's your duty to provide.
	For a limited time right now, get $200 off the three-month supply.
	Go to preparewithgorka.com.
	Preparewithgorka.com.
	It's your duty.
	Have a plan B. I do.
	Preparewithgorka.com.
	And if you've had it with the corruption of the Deep State, what they're doing to President Trump, check out SebGorkerStore.com, one of our top items right now.
	You asked for it.
	It's the I stand with 45 Trump 2024 flag and t-shirt.
	And given who's in the studio right now, It's the FBI t-shirt.
	It's the FBI Fascist Bureau of Intimidation because that is what they have become.
	SebGawkerStore.com for all of your America First gear made in America.
	SebGawkerStore.com.
	We're back with Devin Nunes, the CEO of the Trump Media Group.
	Devin... Can I interrupt you?
	Yeah.
	I know it's your show, but you did just show the FBI shirt on there, which I love, by the way.
	I see you put that on True Social all the time.
	But serious question, because I had some of my colleagues asking me this question, so I'd want your input on it.
	First of all, they asked, where should the FBI building be in this area?
	The new one, I said, absolutely not.
	So you agree with me on that.
	But then they asked, well, where should it be?
	Where should you put, should you have a headquarters?
	Should you have regional?
	I mean, you've got to put a headquarters somewhere.
	Yeah, there should be a small headquarters in DC and it should be rotational.
	You should get people rotating in and out.
	You don't get to sit there for years on end.
	And the focus should be on field offices and the residential agencies, the RAs.
	However, I'm going to go beyond that.
	I'm going to say the FBI is irredeemable after what has been done to it, specifically by Mueller, by Comey, and by Wray.
	The three missions of counterterrorism, counterintelligence, and criminals should be handed off to other agencies.
	I mean, look, you know me.
	I worked with the FBI for years before I joined the administration.
	I was their jihadi briefer.
	If they knocked on my door today, I would say, go talk to my attorneys.
	If they've lost me, if they've lost the likes of Dan Bongino, former career law enforcement officer, I don't think they can win their reputation back.
	Do you think it's salvageable, Devin?
	No.
	No.
	No, I don't.
	And I think if they do anything, they should, I think you're right, have something very small here that's rotational here for sure.
	Right.
	Nothing permanent here.
	The idea that they want a building larger than the Pentagon.
	The Pentagon is the world's largest building.
	The FBI wants a building bigger than the Pentagon.
	That's just obscene.
	It's insanity.
	If anything, I think they ought to go to Omaha, Nebraska.
	Yeah, take it to where patriots live.
	Yeah, well you'd get to the bottom of who really wants to be here, who wants to work for the FBI and get bad guys, or who wants to play politics here in Washington.
	But I've said that about all these agencies.
	Get them out of D.C.
	I don't care whether it's the Department of Agriculture or the EPA.
	Get them out of the swamp.
	Because if you put it in Nebraska, South Dakota, you'll find out the real people who want to work for the administration, and not the people who just want to pick up a nice paycheck and go for dinner in Georgetown, because that's who these people are.
	I have to ask you, because you've been fighting the fight for so long, because it's a perennial question for me that I struggle with, because I look at the likes of Jake Sullivan, I look at the likes of Blinken, and I see morally, you know, Bankrupt individuals.
	But I don't see any great brains.
	I mean, how stupid is the FBI?
	How stupid is Ray that he's prepared to go in contempt of Congress to hide the evidence against President Biden?
	Are these people smart or are they just amateurs who are arrogant?
	You fought them.
	Give me the answer.
	Well, they're all smart.
	But book smart.
	But book smart, well some of them are not even book smart, but they control all the
	levers of power and they've successfully done that right in front of our eyes.
	I mean the time that I was in Washington it happened in front of our eyes.
	It got worse.
	You know, they were, you know, everybody forgets.
	Look at what, you know, they go after Trump now, right?
	Like, incessantly.
	They never stop.
	It's the worst it's ever been.
	And Trump drives them absolutely nuts.
	But don't forget, even though these guys are weak, and I know a lot of people don't like them, but they did it to Romney in 12.
	The guy was pushing grandma off the cliff, had a dog on top of his car.
	It was crazy stuff, right?
	They did it to McCain.
	Said that McCain was going to bomb everybody and all this stuff to McCain.
	Made him look like a lunatic, right?
	And of course, today, they praise those guys.
	Then, don't forget George W. Bush, who they made to look like a total idiot.
	all the time and then they attacked Dick Cheney, the vice president.
	They destroyed all of those people so we should have known when it came to Trump and Trump
	just fought back.
	And nowadays, the funniest thing these guys will say, oh we sure wish that we had George
	W. Bush back and Dick Cheney.
	Those were the guys they call war criminals.
	Right.
	None of them.
	Anything they say, they are lying or manipulating the truth, or they're scheming somehow.
	All they want to do is they want to have weak Republicans.
	They control the whole system, like we were talking about.
	They control every bureaucracy, every lever.
	95% of the people that work here, even if they're smart enough, they don't want to rock the boat.
	No bureaucrats are going to rock the boat.
	And then they're going to, any Republicans that come into here, they're basically, they know they just have to wait them out.
	And they're surrounded by bad people.
	And that's what they have at DOJ and the FBI.
	They've burrowed these people in.
	And you mark my words, when this comes out, what Comer's dealing with and what the Republicans in Congress are dealing with right now with this Biden investigation, with Jack Smith and this phony investigation, the documents hoax, all of this.
	They've got the right people at the right part of the National Security Division of DOJ.
	It's a small cabal, and they've got them placed within the Russia House, within the FBI and DOJ.
	There's this phrase, burrowing in.
	So they take the political appointees, and just before an election they turn them into civil servants.
	So you can't fire them.
	So wherever the lever of power is that matters, it's being held by somebody who's a political.
	We talked to Devin Nunes.
	Truth Social is the platform you have to be on.
	Follow him right now at Devin Nunes.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	We're gonna hold him over for one more segment.
	Why?
	Because he's a good guy.
	Please remember that if you are struggling with daily pain, if you've tried everything else, do what I did.
	Order Relief Factor.
	It is liberating half a million Americans from their daily pain, me included, but also people like Yvonne from California.
	Let me tell you Yvonne's story.
	Both my husband and I are in our 70s and are so grateful to have found Relief Factor.
	We tried so many other solutions but none of them have given us the freedom of being pain-free like Relief Factor.
	Just those two words, pain-free, should be reason enough for you to order the three-week quick starter pack for just $19.95.
	It'll be at your door in three days or less.
	Take it morning and evening like I do.
	And I promise you, Dr. G's guarantee, by the end of those three weeks, you will know whether it works for you like it works for me, Yvonne, and 500,000 of your fellow Americans.
	You've waited long enough.
	Ask yourself one question.
	What have you got to lose?
	Beyond the pain?
	Nothing.
	800-583-84.
	Reliefactor.com.
	800-500-8384, reliefactor.com, reliefactor.com.
	♪♪♪ It's quite funny.
	Well, did I screw it up?
	It's quite funny.
	What did I do?
	Because you're reading, you said Mrs. So-and-so said this about, is it Relief Factor?
	Relief Factor, yeah.
	Well, your voice, pretending to be a woman...
	I worry about that when I say my husband.
	It doesn't quite work.
	Right.
	Are they going to clip that out and say, look, he's gone trans!
	He's one of them.
	He's like Mark Milley.
	I didn't want to screw up your... Not the first time.
	I didn't want to screw it up, but I was sitting there laughing and I was going to interrupt and I said, no, I'd get in trouble.
	I don't want to get kicked off the show.
	Not a problem.
	But I thought that was funny, you reading in a female voice.
	That just doesn't work, Seabass.
	I know.
	I know.
	I can't do a female voice.
	It won't work.
	Is it weird to be back in D.C.?
	Yeah.
	I mean, it's better, like I was saying to start off with.
	It's a little better than what it was.
	I mean, it was awful the last... Well, the last few years I was here in Washington was terrible.
	And the idea that Schiff sent it?
	Still here.
	Yeah.
	He's in the lead right now.
	He is?
	But they've got a jungle primary there, right?
	So he could... Yeah, but he's odds-on favorite to win.
	Wow.
	Incredible.
	Well, he is what he really desperately needs is for Feinstein to stay on life support and stay in the center.
	Yes, ma'am.
	Here's looking at you, Snowflake.
	America First.
	Good choice of music, Alex.
	Dude looks like a lady because of course we have to celebrate Pride Month.
	Have you got your LGBTQ t-shirt?
	We are all LGBTQ here at America First, but this t-shirt stands for Let's Get Biden to
	Quit.
	And then the t-shirt I designed, nobody believed would sell, is like number two.
	It's the Don't Be a Science Denier.
	Man's a man, a woman's a woman.
	X, Y, XX.
	Get yours today.
	so much more including all of my books even the one that propelled me to the
	White House defeating jihad Just go to sebgorkastore.com.
	That's S-E-B-G-O-R-K-A, sebgorkastore.com.
	He is much happier now, running Truth Social for President Trump, but I have to ask him, given that he was one of the true patriots on Capitol Hill, Chairman of the Intelligence Committee, If you had to give any advice to your colleagues now who are trying to navigate the Byzantine labyrinth of Biden corruption and communicate it to the American people, what would you say is the key focal points for getting the truth out there?
	Because you've done that with Russia hoax and everything else.
	The main thing they have to do is get all the documents.
	They need to do depositions, and they need to focus on that hard work.
	Closed door or how do they do the closed testimony, open testimony?
	I would do closed door first.
	First.
	Yeah, which I think they're doing a lot of that.
	And then you decide which ones you want to bring out for public testimony because that's the only way you're going to showcase it.
	Because you know, look, you've got 95% of the fake news is against you.
	You know you're going to have all those stories that are going to be written bad.
	You're going to have all the fakeness of Fakebook and Instagram and even Twitter.
	Twitter's still doing their stupid community notes that they're putting on things.
	So what gets the American people is 99% garbage.
	So they have to break through that.
	That's why True Social exists.
	That's why Rumble exists.
	We're out there.
	We've created this space.
	Before us, nothing existed.
	So at least we're allowing people to get the word out.
	But the best thing they can do is get the facts and get them out there uncensored.
	And I think that's about all they can really do, CBAS.
	There's really nothing more.
	They can run these investigations.
	Get the information out.
	Yes, but run thorough investigations.
	When I talk to my colleagues, I'm like, guys, don't jump the gun.
	Don't run out and do a press conference.
	We all love Sean Hannity.
	He's our friend, or Newsmax, or what have you.
	Dot the I's, cross the T's.
	Get the facts first, and then put them out methodically.
	Put them out, put them out on platforms like Truth Social.
	We just put, you know, the odd segment up there.
	I do a couple of posts a day and, you know, thanks to encouragement from the likes of Devin and Kash Patel as well, and actually Dan Bongino, 768,000 followers.
	Why?
	Because they believe in the First Amendment.
	They don't believe in censorship.
	You should be there.
	I'm on Truth Social.
	So is Devin at Devin Nunes.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	What a fun first hour it's been.
	Next up, Lord Conrad Black.
	Wherever you are, whatever you're doing, stay on this channel.
	Don't go anywhere else.
	You You
	You ♪♪♪
	This Hour of America First starts right now on Salem News Channel.
	Welcome to the second hour of America First with me, Sebastian Gorka, your one-stop shop for all
	of the biggest topics of the news cycle today without the bias of the mainstream media or the
	censorship of big tech. Whether it's the culture war or educational indoctrination, the immigration
	crisis or gun control or the threats to the second amendment.
	We have the true experts and the best guests on every subject.
	Members of Congress, truth-tellers extraordinaire, warriors for the truth.
	Stay tuned for the second hour of America First with me, your host, Sebastian Gorka, on the Salem News Channel.
	The Doctor is in America first with Dr. Sebastian Gorka on Salem News Channel.
	The antidote to the mainstream media.
	We'll be right back.
	You You
	Why did you do it?
	What impelled you to put aside the instinct for self-preservation and risk your lives to take these cliffs?
	What inspired all the men of the armies that met here?
	We look at you and somehow we know the answer.
	It was faith and belief.
	It was loyalty and love.
	The men of Normandy had faith that what they were doing was right Faith that they fought for all humanity.
	Faith that a just God would grant them mercy on this beachhead or on the next.
	Grant them mercy on this beachhead or the next.
	President Reagan in Normandy 1984.
	Can't get enough of that speech or most of everything else he ever said.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First.
	On the anniversary of the Normandy landings, The largest amphibious invasion still in history.
	Who better to talk to about those issues and their current reverberations than one of your favorite guests, Lord Conrad Black.
	Lord Black, welcome back to America First.
	Thank you very much, Sebastian.
	I'd like to use... Well, first, let me ask the question I've been ruminating on for the last hour.
	Whether that America still exists of the young men who would lie about their age to enlist and risk everything, life and limb, to fight for their country on a faraway beach.
	Is that America, in your estimation, still around?
	Is it with us?
	Potentially, yes.
	What is missing is cause of that kind and the That is to say, the opposition to Nazism and to the forces that attacked the United States at Pearl Harbor.
	Two regimes in distinguished countries, but two regimes that were a mortal threat to democratic civilization.
	And secondly, the level of leadership required to lead such a comeback as the Allies staged, both the civil leadership under President Roosevelt and Prime Minister Churchill, and the military leadership under the theater commanders, General Eisenhower, General MacArthur, Admiral Nimitz and others, and a very, very high standard of leadership, and for a very just and great cause.
	And so I think that that America, if that challenge existed and that level of leadership Rose to lead the country in that challenge would respond as Americans and others did.
	I mean, the Normandy landings were five beaches, two American, two British and one Canadian, but the allies worked very closely together.
	And I think they would all respond to it if the challenge were there and the leadership were there to reply to the challenge.
	Now, fortunately, we are not challenged in that way at this time.
	And unfortunately, we don't have leadership at the time in any of these countries that would be capable of conducting such a magnificent and victorious operation as the Western Allied conduct of World War II.
	But those who would fight against such a challenge, they exist in our countries?
	I believe they do.
	I believe they do.
	If the cause were made clear and they understood that they were not being sent to the ends of the earth for an indistinct objective, not clearly in the national interest, but that it was a matter of a mortal threat to a society of democracy and respect for the rights and dignity of all people, if that was the cause, the people of the United States and
	the other Western allies would respond to it, in my view.
	In your latest piece for the New York Sun, which is also available at Real Clear Politics,
	you write about Reagan and how he managed to rebuild the morale of the country after
	the dissolution and the malaise of the Carter years.
	I'd like us to stop for a second and use the Reagan era as a template because that man was assaulted and lambasted by the left.
	He was ridiculed.
	He was accused of all kinds of things he didn't do.
	If we talk about the individual who's leading all possible candidates for the Republicans, my former boss President Trump, can you compare for us the way that he was treated and Reagan was treated?
	I remember being at a lunch by former political appointees in the Reagan White House not too long ago and they said to me, Conrad.
	You know, what they're doing to Trump, we had to put up with that.
	They did that to our boss as well.
	And I just have to say, no they didn't.
	They didn't raid his home.
	They didn't have prosecutors working day and night to indict him.
	Has something Changed irrevocably since Reagan was in power in terms of the weapons that will be used against the Republican president?
	I wouldn't say it's irrevocable, but of course you are perfectly right to make that objection to the people you were having lunch with.
	You and I and a great many of your listeners would remember that Reagan was, as you said, he was represented as a 20 mule team Borax salesman on television, you know, Death Valley Days and as a He played in Bedtime for Bonzo, a great B film actor, and what did he know about anything?
	And Clark Clifford famously called him an amiable dunce.
	He was disparaged as a lightweight, but he was not attacked at all in the way Trump has been.
	No one, as you just said, no one was trying to say that he was a criminal or a felon or a mentally unbalanced person.
	He was grossly misrepresented.
	As incompetent, even though he'd had two highly successful terms as governor of California, and he was represented as a warmonger, which he was not, and of course he gained the satisfactory end of the Cold War without firing a shot.
	So to the extent that your friends from the Reagan era were saying, That their boss was subjected to obliquely, like President Trump, yes, up to a point, but only as to his competence.
	They weren't trying to impugn his integrity as a person, and they weren't trying to remove him from office for spurious reasons, or represent him as an intelligence asset of a foreign power, and that kind of thing.
	So they're quite different situations, so there are certain similarities.
	Let's stop on that second point you made, using the power of the state to remove him, and also just crossing the line in terms of being a former government official who becomes a political campaigner.
	I don't think we've ever seen this before.
	This is the former director of the FBI, Jim Comey, on the upcoming presidential election.
	I mean, Vladimir Putin does not want Joe Biden to be president of the United States for reasons that I hope the American people see, because he acts in our national interest.
	He would very much like Donald Trump to be president again, because Donald Trump is, for reasons I still can't explain, very, very fond of Vladimir Putin, and so they will find ways to interfere.
	I hope our intelligence community is equipped to respond maybe better than we did in 2016, but they'll come for this election.
	I remember a time, Conrad, when the likes of Judge Webster or Louis Freed wouldn't make statements like that after they left office.
	J. Edgar Hoover died in office, but he would never have said anything like that.
	No.
	He never, in 48 years as the head of the FBI or its predecessor organization, he never attempted to meddle in a presidential election, ever.
	He did some things that he can be criticized for, but nothing like that.
	Now here's James Comey, who the Durham report pointed out that he did commit, and so did Horowitz's report as Inspector General of the Justice Department, he did commit a number of illegalities.
	In trying to recollect matters that had occurred just a few months before, he testified under oath 245 times that he didn't remember.
	He was trying to cover up his own misdeeds.
	The man could not lie straight in bed.
	He is completely dishonest, and he disgraced that office.
	And for him to claim to have any insight at all into what goes on in the Kremlin, or what the Russian leader wants, And to make the disparaging remarks he did about Trump being in love with the Russians, this is simply outrageous.
	And how anyone can, you know, he's perfectly entitled to say what he wants, but how anyone gives him the audience they do escapes my comprehension.
	The man is completely discredited.
	He did things in that office that were illegal and dishonest and outrageous.
	And of course he's being interviewed, interviewed by the former White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki.
	That's all you have to know.
	The latest piece is Never Trumpers and the Triumph of Woke American Self-Hate.
	We're talking to Lord Conrad Black, co-host of the podcast Scholars and Sense with Victor Davis Hanson.
	And Bill Bennett.
	Follow him at ConradMBlack and also on Twitter at ConradMBlack.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First.
	Make sure that you are subscribed to our podcast, whichever platform you use.
	Plug in my name, Sebastian Gawker, America First.
	Leave us a five-star review.
	Share the links with your friends.
	And don't forget, we have a special third hour guest.
	It is going to be about the threat of artificial intelligence.
	You don't want to miss it.
	And don't forget, our website for all our America First gear.
	The most popular item remains the I stand with 45 flag.
	Get yours today.
	SebGorGastor.com Ouch.
	There we go.
	Mic's on.
	Right, so I'm definitely going to use the Sununu cut.
	Oh, play the Kissinger thing.
	Cut six.
	Cut six.
	Mr. Secretary, Jonathan Geyer with Vox.
	What is there to celebrate about Henry Kissinger?
	Mr. Secretary, I know he was an interviewee for your thesis.
	We've spoken before.
	What is there to celebrate about Henry Kissinger?
	Where did you find that, Jeff?
	It was posted somewhere, I think.
	I think Gravy may have had it, or it was in one of the news stories.
	And then play me cut one, please, Eric.
	Cut one...
	Attorney General Barr named Scott Brady, who is the U.S.
	Attorney for Western Pennsylvania, to head up a group of prosecutors and FBI agents who would look into all of the allegations related to Ukraine.
	As Attorney General Barr himself put it, we have to take everything coming from Ukraine with a grain of salt.
	But after Rudy Giuliani surfaced these allegations, this group was appointed and they looked into What is it Shakespeare says?
	the form 1023 and that this group was created in June and spent the summer on it and as I
	understand it in August determined that there was no grounds to escalate from an initial assessment
	to a preliminary investigation. What is it Shakespeare says the lady does protest too much
	two minutes.
	Titles in mind for Devin and or?
	Yeah, for Devin Nunes, what's the most important thing he said?
	There's a lot.
	For Dr. Grossman, Dylan Mulvaney is still a man and always will be.
	Should we invite Dylan to the Manhood Hour sometime?
	Yes!
	Definitely.
	And then for Devin, lots of good stuff.
	money.
	Angel tree.
	Angel tree.
	Okay.
	Can you use the young boy please here?
	Yes.
	One minute.
	Forty seconds.
	You're listening to America First with Sebastian Thiel.
	Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to President Donald J.
	Trump.
	Welcome back, dear friends.
	Welcome back.
	What is the effect on those young boys and girls you support with the late Chuck Colson's prison fellowship program that sends them to those safe summer camps?
	Well, just listen to one of them.
	I don't think anyone could express the importance of these camps for children who have lost a parent to the prison system than this young boy.
	It is a great camp for kids to go to.
	Everybody loves you, cares for you, and it's a great camp to learn about God.
	The best part of Angel Tree was, for me, would have to be the activities.
	I get to play in the gym.
	You get to go tubing in the lake, wadeboarding, water weenie.
	What I learned the most about Jesus was that even though that your father has been incarcerated
	or in jail, you still have a father up in heaven.
	Wow.
	Even if you've lost a father to the prison system, you still have a father up in heaven.
	Please support these children.
	There's more than a million of them without a parent in America and 70% and more of them end up incarcerated themselves.
	Let's break that cycle.
	It's $200 per child.
	Please donate as much as you can.
	The number is 888-206-2794 or just go to our web page.
	It's just a couple of clicks.
	It's very easy.
	SebGorka.com and click on the angel tree banner at the top.
	That's 888-206-2794 or just go to sebgorka.com and the Angel Tree banner.
	We're back with Lord Conrad Black, author of Donald J.
	Trump, A President Like No Other and co-host of the podcast Scholars and Sense.
	I want to have a bit of fun, if I may, a rather amusing little clip.
	Again, it is Jen Psaki in the guise of a pseudo-journalist, Lord Black, asking Chris Sununu about the 12 candidates on the GOP side for the presidency.
	Cut five.
	Sure, look, I think almost all the candidates have a very viable path to beating Donald Trump, and you know, you just said it right there, Chris isn't shy about casting criticism where it is well-deserved with the former president, but this is the problem.
	All 12 of the other candidates need to cast the same type of criticism, because it's not that we're out there to beat Donald Trump.
	Donald Trump doesn't represent the Republican Party, right?
	He's the outsider and we've kind of let him get away with kind of co-opting, I think,
	what are better traditional ideals of the Republican Party of limited government and
	local control.
	I think that clip is so telling, Conrad, because you have an establishment Republican using
	the phrase Donald Trump has captured the party and saying all 12 of the candidates, even
	Chris Christie, who's standing at 1%, have a viable path to victory.
	It seems as if the death rattle of the Republican Party establishment is getting louder and
	louder by the day.
	Bye.
	Yeah, I must say, I think that...
	Chris Sununu has been, from all I hear, a good governor of New Hampshire, and I give him credit for that.
	But I have, for some time now, I've found it extremely tiresome to listen to his denunciations of Trump.
	He's been publicly deliberating whether to run for president himself up until this week when he said he wouldn't, and though he's the governor of New Hampshire, within his own state he is trailing Donald Trump in the polls by 30 points, and he never ceases to pontificate about how Trump can't win.
	All the polls show Trump leading Biden, leading all the Republicans.
	DeSantis is the closest, and he's still 30 points behind President Trump.
	And where does Chris Sununu from the pocket borough of New Hampshire, with four electoral votes, trailing Trump by 30 points in his own state, get off saying he can't win?
	I mean, where does this pontifical... But help me to answer exactly that question, because I think this is such a A teachable moment, if you will, for us to understand what the, can we call it the rump establishment, GOP, six years later is still incapable of internalizing this idea that he just used the phrase captured, Donald Trump has captured the GOP.
	They're talking about a man, Conrad, who got 74 million votes in the last election.
	And is leading the polls now against the Democrats.
	And look, again, as I understand it, Chris Sununu's been a good governor, and I wish him well.
	And I slightly knew his father many years ago, who was the chief of staff to the first President Bush, but I think that's where your connection is.
	He's tied into the Bush Republicans, and let's find his place for them in the Republican Party too, but they don't own that party.
	And they don't have, you know, the last one who gave it a try was Jeb Bush, he got bombed by 25 points by Trump in his own state in Florida.
	I mean, as Mr. Churchill always said, trust the people.
	I mean, it's the people to speak on this issue, not Chris Sununu sitting in his mountains in New Hampshire.
	Let me ask you with regards to the primary.
	I was listening to my good friend Dan Bongino's show this morning who said this debate has to whether or not President Trump debates the other candidates.
	I for one would love to see that because I thought 2015 and 2016 was so much fun.
	And then Dan made this point.
	He said the point about the primary debates isn't just winning the primary.
	It's the stage where you set your campaign against the other candidate, and that's why it's all the more important.
	Where do you stand on this question of primary debates on either side?
	Well, I think all the plausible candidates for the nomination should debate with each other.
	I mean, fine, Donald Trump's a former president, but it's an all-new game this year to choose the nominee for president.
	And as far as I know, he's happy to debate.
	I personally would hope that he'd be a little less bombastic than he was in 2016, although it was highly amusing, I agree with you.
	But he is amusing.
	We saw him on CNN the other day.
	I mean, he's very effective.
	And I think that those who want to Take the nomination away from him.
	I have a perfect right to try, but they should debate with him, and I hope he would go ahead with such a debate.
	But this idea that they're all going to gang up on him is a lot of nonsense, I think.
	At least half the people who are running are running in the hope that he will choose them to be his vice presidential nominee.
	I mean, Sununu and others can dream that they're twelve people with a clear path to defeat Trump, but that's just absolute eyewash.
	There's no truth to that.
	And as for Christie, I think he was a good governor in his time, but he was unpopular when he left, and he launched himself as a human torpedo.
	His whole The purpose of his campaign is to try and attack Trump.
	Well, and it's so unbecoming, the constant 180s that you're anti-Trump, you're for Trump, you're in his transition team, you're running it, now you want to, as you say, torpedo him.
	It is just utterly unseemly.
	We've been talking to Lord Conrad Black.
	Please follow him right now.
	His website is ConradMBlack.com.
	He's on Twitter at Conrad M Black.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	We too are available via social media everywhere that matters.
	Just look for my name Seb Gorka or Sebastian Gorka on Truth Social, Twitter, Facebook, Parler, Getter, Telegram.
	You can even watch us on your television through your Roku, your Fire Stick or other devices or just get the Salem News Channel app.
	And don't forget my Substack brand new piece about D-Day going up there In just a couple of hours, SebastianGorka.substack.com, that's my whole name, is one word, SebastianGorka.substack.com.
	Stay with us, won't you?
	Don't touch that dial.
	How's everything you have to know about the establishment?
	It's rubbish, but in the end, those people are going to go to Trump ahead of DeSantis, I think, because DeSantis is running to the right of Trump.
	Yeah.
	And there is no room on the right of Trump, other than to paint yourself out as a bit of an extremist.
	But to attack President Trump from the right on abortion?
	Who is telling him that?
	Yeah, it makes no sense to me.
	Crackers.
	Crackers.
	Good.
	On the other hand, from the Trump side of things, I think it's looking good.
	Oh, it's looking very good.
	Every day.
	Every day.
	As I said, we had Devin Nunes in studio just a moment ago, and I said, you know, the only way they can defeat him is to, you know, slap him in handcuffs.
	That's the only plan.
	You see, Comey predicted that he'd have an ankle bracelet, or whatever you call those things, an ankle thing, at the convention.
	I don't think it's going to work.
	I think they may try and indict him because it's a politicized justice system.
	That's the only method they've got, but I think it's a judge from the fiasco with, you know, Bragg's indictment and the Stormy Daniels affair.
	I think the public sees it for what it is.
	It's just another sleazy trick and it'll just strengthen Trump in the polls, I think.
	I think you're right.
	I think you're right.
	Thank you, Conrad.
	All he has to do is say, look, I'll deal with it after, you know, we'll deposit while I'm
	in office and we'll deal with it later.
	I won't pardon myself.
	I'll be happy to deal with it later.
	Thank you.
	You You
	You're listening to Dr. Sebastian Gorka, a man who's taken down Eastern European governments with just the sound of his voice.
	I am still so pissed at that Sununu clip.
	President Trump captured the GOP!
	Oh, you mean he took it away from the GOP establishment that didn't represent the people.
	Getting 74 million votes is capturing the GOP!
	Good riddance to you, Sununu.
	If you enjoy this show, please support those who make it possible.
	Mike Lindell is a friend of the president.
	The left hates him!
	Even Walmart has gone woke and banned his products.
	Go straight to the source.
	Go right now to MyPillow.com.
	Use my name for up to 66% off.
	He's just launched the new 2.0 MyPillow.
	He's already sold 71 million of the originals.
	They're that good.
	The only pillow that doesn't lose shape, doesn't get hot overnight, Call 800-829-8468mypillow.com, but you've got to use the secret code.
	800-829-8468mypillow.com.
	Promo code G-O-R-K-A.
	All right, I'm going to turn the tables on somebody now who keeps interviewing me on his show.
	He is one of the best broadcasters in Spanish in America.
	For Americano, we are delighted to have with us Jesus Marquez.
	Jesus, welcome to America First.
	Thank you very much for having me here today, Mr. Gorga.
	All right, so you're going to help me out.
	First things first, I feel really bad because my buddy at Heritage, Cuban-American, Mike, Gonzales says this whole Hispanic American thing was invented by the left, was invented by federal government.
	We shouldn't even talk about it.
	It's a box on a form we should ignore.
	So I don't know what I'm going to call you guys.
	I'm going to say those who speak fluent Spanish who are Americans.
	How about that?
	I want you to explain to me.
	As long as you don't call us Latinx.
	Yeah, no.
	I'm not going to call you Latinx or Latinks.
	Biden thinks it's actually pronounced Latinks.
	We're not going to do that here.
	Is there a commonality to the political identity of this community?
	We see the black community vote almost exclusively Democrat.
	This community, the Hispanic-speaking community, would seem to me, to be like me, Catholic, to be more socially conservative.
	Is that a misnomer?
	Talk to us about the political identity of our fellow Americans who just happen to speak Spanish.
	You're right, absolutely.
	Most Hispanics are conservatives.
	However, the left has done a good job reaching out to the Latino or the conservative Hispanic community, and they've done a good job there.
	So far, Donald Trump is actually bringing the Latino vote back to the Republican side.
	Look, in 2012, Republicans lost by a big margin with the Latino-Hispanic community.
	And then Donald Trump came along.
	In 2016, he got 30% of the Latino vote in general.
	But in states like Florida and Texas, he started doing even better.
	In those states, actually, in the last cycle, Republicans got about over 50% of the Latino vote.
	And in general, around the country, they got 35% of the Hispanic vote.
	So it is changing.
	More Hispanics, more Latinos are switching over to the, not necessarily the Republican side,
	but the conservative side.
	Because we are a people, a family of good work ethics.
	We're organized and also conservative in nature.
	And not only that, I think about this crisis on the border.
	And I always make the point when we're discussing it with the likes of Mark Morgan or Tom Holman that It's not you, Jesus, it's not me that's going to be negatively affected by our employment.
	There's not going to be some illegal coming across the border and taking my job.
	It's going to be the legal immigrant who came here, who's at the bottom of the wage earning capacity, who's working in a restaurant, working in the service industry, along comes an illegal and says, hey, I'll do Jose's job for 50% but pay me cash.
	And I would imagine that the Latin American residents of America would be pissed at the Biden administration's open borders.
	Absolutely, and they are.
	You gotta understand one thing.
	Most Latinos in the United States are legal citizens.
	And there's 62 million Hispanics in America now, and most of them are legal.
	So when you have all this open borders policy, Latinos get affected in two areas.
	One, and like you said, you are seeing these people coming over and taking over our jobs.
	They're not gonna go into the Hamptons to take over those jobs.
	They're gonna go into our communities and take over Latino, Hispanic jobs
	that currently held those jobs.
	And another area that we are affected is with crime.
	Most of the crime that is being- Hold that, hold that.
	We're gonna talk about that next.
	We're talking to Jesus Marquez, Americano Media, a superb radio host.
	I'm on his show regularly.
	MarquezGesso is the Twitter account.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka, coming to you live from the reliefactor.com studios just outside the insalubrious Fetid Rank.
	Malodorous swamp that is Washington, D.C.
	Relief Factor.
	Pain relief that works.
	Pain relief that's real.
	Pain relief that is liberating half a million Americans across the nation right now.
	Me included!
	Yes, I had a lower back pain issue that plagued me for nine years, almost a decade.
	I took Relief Factor.
	Two weeks later, I was pain-free.
	That should be you.
	That could be you.
	But it's not just me.
	It's people like Debran from Massachusetts.
	This is Debran's story.
	I just started taking Relief Factor four days ago.
	My hip pain is gone.
	I had a horrible time sleeping because of the pain.
	I absolutely love how I am feeling.
	Thank you, Relief Factor.
	That should be you.
	Find out today or do the three-week quick starter pack for just $19.95.
	It'll be at your door in three days or less.
	Take it morning and evening like I do.
	And I promise you, Dr. G's guarantee, by the end of those three weeks, you will know whether it works for you like it works for me, Debrin, and 500,000 of your fellow Americans.
	Call today.
	What are you waiting for?
	800-500-8384, reliefactor.com.
	800-500-8384 reliefactor.com. That's 800-500-8384 reliefactor.com.
	Translating both sides.
	How often do you do that?
	Because that must be really tough.
	It is because one of our guys is the one who actually does the translation and he doubles the voice over yours in your case.
	So what we do is that we record it in the morning and then he's got a couple hours to do the translation.
	I always like to have two segments with you because there's so much to talk with you, but it makes it a little harder.
	So usually one segment will take about an hour to do all the translation.
	And does he have a really good deep voice like me?
	Not as yours.
	I don't think nobody can match that, but we try our best.
	So how often do you have an interview that's translated?
	Whenever there's a good topic, I do it, but normally it averages about every other week or so.
	Great.
	Most of the time we try to find somebody who speaks Spanish.
	Normally, in the format of my show, I'm the show guy.
	Only on special occasions, I will bring somebody like you that is very high profile.
	Usually, I just do regular guests and I make the show.
	I'm like Rush Limbaugh.
	You know, basically him, yeah.
	How long have you been doing radio?
	About 15 years now.
	Wow.
	There was a Washington Post story about a couple weeks, I'm sure you read it, I don't know, about Americano Media, and they feature me as the Rush Limbaugh in Spanish.
	Oh wow, will you send me that?
	Just text it to me?
	I will text it over, yes.
	Thank you, yeah.
	And how long is your show?
	Two hours every day.
	Wow.
	Two hours, yeah.
	And I get a lot of calls.
	You know, by the way, a lot of people after I do the interview with you, I open the lines and people call me all the time asking me to say hi to you.
	And people recognize, the Latino community in Florida recognize you.
	That's great.
	That's great.
	All right, stand by.
	PhD at the top.
	You can block.
	Bye.
	On the side of the U.S.
	Constitution, America first.
	And on the side of you being the healthiest you you can be, do you carry around a bit too much weight?
	I did for 20 years.
	You know, I could go on a diet, lose a few pounds, but sooner or later would come back and I kind of gave up on it until I met Dr. Ashley Lucas and her amazing team at MyPhD Weight Loss.
	I lost 42 pounds.
	My wife lost 36.
	My colleague Mike Gallagher lost 50 pounds.
	Now look, he had more to lose, but still, it's quite an achievement.
	If you've had it with other systems that don't work, try this one.
	No pill popping, no calorie counting, no stupid starvation diet.
	It's just a system that lets you work that lets you eat five times a day and burn the fat.
	It worked for me, it could work for you.
	Call right now, 864-644-1900 or just go to myphdweightloss.com.
	It really is the real deal.
	864-644-1900.
	MyPhDWeightLoss.com.
	We're back with the Rush Limbaugh for the Hispanics community here in America.
	Jesus Marquez, Americano Media.
	Follow him, MarquezGesso on Twitter.
	A guy who, I don't know, I couldn't do what you do.
	I mean, I speak a couple of other languages, but you interview me in Spanish, then you repeat the question in English, then you let me answer it, and then your colleagues, you know, dub me over.
	So that is, that's seriously hard work.
	I just do three hours of radio every day in English, so I'm very impressed.
	We're talking about the community in America that speaks, you said, how many, 62 million?
	Latin Americans in America?
	62 million Hispanic Americans in the United States.
	Wow.
	20% of the electorate.
	Yeah, it's incredible.
	I want to ask you what they think of this.
	So here's a cut from my buddy Jesse Waters at Fox about this crazy LGBTQ stuff we're witnessing.
	Cut three.
	Black History Month, March is Women's History Month, and June is Gay Pride Month.
	Now, primetime has no problem with the months.
	I mean, if you want to be proud, go ahead.
	Be proud.
	Everybody gets a month.
	But you can't be obnoxious about it.
	And you definitely can't be perverted around kids.
	Throw a couple rainbow flags on a float?
	Fine.
	Drape a rainbow flag around Fetterman?
	Fine.
	Tie a half-naked guy to the back of a pickup and spank his cheeks with a leather whip in front of kids?
	I don't know about that one.
	I mean, you can't play out your sexual fantasies in broad daylight just because it's Pride Month.
	How does stuff like that, half-naked men whipping each other on a pride float, how does that sit with the Hispanic and American community, Jesus?
	It doesn't play well.
	Look, you know, the Hispanic community in the United States is very young.
	On average, we have three and a half children, babies.
	And so we're people of family, and we don't like the fact that they are indoctrinating our children with all this garbage in schools.
	Now they're going into corporate America as well, so they're seeing it everywhere.
	But they're just waking up to this.
	They didn't used to know that this was going on at all.
	So now, with people like you and I who are now making an emphasis on this type of culture, the LBGTBQ... Do they believe it, Jesus?
	Do they believe it's happening?
	Now they're starting to see it.
	They were not aware of this, but now that they're starting to see, that's one of the reasons why you're seeing a lot of Hispanics going to the Republican side, because they are fed up with this type of garbage.
	All right, so you mentioned previously also the issue of crime and how immigration and crime affects this community.
	If you were sitting down right now with my old boss, President Trump, who loves America as much as you love America, What would you say about the way to reach out and convince more?
	Because we saw the significant increase in the black vote for President Trump, especially the male black vote.
	What is the right message for the community of Hispanic Americans for the next 18 months?
	Give us some tips.
	For example, in the border, if we go to the Latinos with the message of we have to control the border for three main reasons.
	One, because we need to control the border for security reasons.
	We are seeing now the rising crime in our own Latino communities.
	Look, these criminals are coming across the border.
	They're not going to go to the white neighbors.
	They want to go to the Latino, Hispanic neighbors, the neighbors of color,
	and that's where they're going to be rising crime.
	Another thing is that most of the Latino that are here, they have processes already in order.
	And when you see people jumping the line, and now having Hispanics that have been waiting in line for this process, now have to wait years on top of what they already had in the line.
	This is just something that makes people very mad.
	So the message would be to convince Latinos about those three issues, including the economic side of it.
	And I think we can definitely win the Latino vote.
	But look at what happened in southern Texas, where most Hispanics in those districts voted Republican because they see firsthand what's going on in the border.
	And when a member of your community asks you, why are you a conservative, what do you tell them?
	Well, because of the ethics, the hard-working ethics, the family values.
	We are conservatives, like Ronald Reagan said once.
	Latinos are conservative.
	They just don't know.
	We know it.
	It's just that we need to reach out more.
	So, Hispanics need to, I'm sorry, Republicans need to reach out.
	To the Latino community in a better way.
	We have to have a better strategy and we can actually win the Hispanic voting.
	We're already doing it.
	Again, in some states, 40% of Latinos are voting now Republicans.
	I think we can overwhelmingly go above the 50% if we do a right strategy.
	Super exciting.
	62 million of our fellow Americans.
	30% of the electorate.
	That's incredibly important.
	And people who have solid family values and people who are negatively affected by things such as illegal migration, the rise in crime over the last two years.
	The Trump team.
	Inflation.
	Inflation.
	The Republican establishment should do more to listen to people.
	Like our guest.
	Follow him on Twitter.
	And Marquez Jesso.
	He is Jesus Marquez, Americano Media.
	He is the Spanish-speaking Rush Limbaugh.
	Thank you, Jesus.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First coming to you live from just outside the insalubrious, fetid, rank, malodorous, noisome swamp that is Washington, D.C.
	If you have a cell phone, please tell me it's not connected to one of the big cell phone providers because the big guys, they're all woke.
	They're like Target.
	They're like Bud Light.
	They've literally given millions of dollars, millions of dollars to organizations like
	Planned Parenthood.
	Right now there is a great awakening happening.
	Patriots are revolting against those woke companies, crashing their sales and their
	stock prices by taking their business elsewhere.
	And that includes cell phone business.
	Patriot Mobile is the only Christian conservative cell phone company and it's the one that I
	They have the same 4G, 5G national networks.
	They have a performance guarantee on three different networks.
	You don't like the performance on one of them, you can switch for free to the other two.
	It's that easy.
	You can keep your old number, you'll get free activation with my name, and you'll be working with a company that loves America like you love America.
	Switch today.
	I switched all my family's lines.
	Over to Patriot Mobile.
	It's super easy.
	They have a US-based customer support team that is second to none.
	Call 878-PATRIOT or just go right now to PatriotMobile.com slash Gawker.
	Why would you fund people who hate you and your values every time you make a call and send a text?
	Don't do it.
	That's insane.
	878-728-7468, patriotmobile.com, slash Gawker.
	www.patreon.com or www.gawker.com.au www.patreon.com or www.gawker.com.au
	you you
	you .
	you you
	It is my vision To take the next step to this go to the faith-based
	locales and then move to private residence
	There are residents who are suffering right now because of economic challenges.
	They have spare rooms, they have locales, and if we can find a way to get over the 30-day rule and other rules that government has in its place, We can take that 4.2 billion dollars, 4.3 it may be now, that we potentially have to spend and we can put it back in the pockets of everyday New Yorkers.
	Eric Adams wants to house illegal immigrants in big houses.
	It's Gracie Manor, right Eric?
	Shouldn't they start with the mayor and the governor's homes?
	Shouldn't they start with that?
	I mean, that's a pretty big house last I checked, so I'm sure it could fit quite a few people.
	Yeah, I think you can fit a lot of illegal immigrants there.
	I guess New York's not a sanctuary city anymore.
	All right, one more cut.
	We have to squeeze in before our special one-on-one guest.
	My old colleague, my old boss in the White House.
	Here's Steve Bannon.
	He's been on fire lately.
	Cut eight.
	Republican Party, those 149 who voted for it, who all have to be primary.
	Let me repeat that.
	All of them.
	Including people we're quite fond of and some who we used to be fond of have to be primary.
	You know why?
	They have to stand on the debate stage on the primary season and they have to justify what they did with the knowledge they had at the time of what went on and then what the impact is because the impact during primary season is going to be a lot worse than it is today.
	Now we know that War Room is kind of, you know, MAGA.
	It's the ground zero of MAGA, but Mr. G, what do you think of that?
	Is that just rabble rousing?
	Is that real?
	Is that just fantasy that we're going to primary every single one of them?
	Not every single one of them, but if you focus on ten and make a big deal out of it, and then you primary some of them, they're only going to think twice next time.
	But isn't it like old history, by the time we get to primary season, somebody asking them on the debate stage, why did you vote for X?
	Really?
	Not if inflation kicks up from now till then next year.
	I think that's what he was talking about.
	Interesting.
	What do you think, Eric?
	I agree.
	Unfortunately, you cannot primary all of them, but I do think certainly if President Trump got involved and endorsed primary challengers to a number of them, then that absolutely would put it on the radar.
	Well, it is true that some people we considered friends kind of betrayed us on that one.
	Four trillion extra dollars funding for the IRS.
	Yeah, it's a bloody outrage.
	If you're as angry as I am, show it!
	Fly this flag above your home, over the balcony, wherever you can put it.
	It's I Stand With 45, the Trump 2020 flag, 2024 flag and t-shirt.
	Get yours today at SebGorkerStore.com.
	It's also Gay Pride Month and we're totally LGBTQ here.
	Yeah, we love it.
	Well, we like...
	The LGBTQ that stands for Let's Get Biden to Quit.
	Get your t-shirt, get your mug today.
	It's rather, it's got the rainbow colors, it's got the stars and stripes.
	Let's Get Biden to Quit.
	And then jointly released with Chris Plant, it's our second hottest seller, the FBI t-shirt.
	Fascist Bureau of Intimidation.
	Go right now.
	SebGorkaStore.com.
	Thanks for watching!
	you you
	you hi everyone
	Welcome to our Ron DeSantis Twitter space.
	Hello?
	Is my microphone working correctly?
	George, can you just wait while we... Hello?
	Can you hear me?
	We can all hear you, George.
	Can you just hold on for a second?
	Pilfer!
	I don't think they can hear me.
	I can hear you fine, George.
	Just speak to the microphone.
	I don't think George knows how to use Twitter.
	Hello?
	Can you hear me now?
	Can I please make my big announcement now?
	Everyone just... Hello?
	Just shut up.
	All right, that is not the actual Ron DeSantis, Elon Musk with George Soros and the devil and Klaus Schwab announcement of the governor of Florida's campaign for the presidency.
	It's a deep fake!
	I hadn't even heard that before.
	That's really rather good.
	What a perfect way to open a very special one-on-one with somebody we've come to Like at my end, respectively, we've discovered her recently.
	She had a lot of things to say about the Russia collusion insanity, or rather how it has transmogrified into the, oh, Putin must be great today, even after he invaded Ukraine.
	Journalist, independent author, commentator, Katherine Brodsky.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Thanks for having me back.
	I guess I didn't say anything too awful.
	Yet.
	Yet.
	There is time enough.
	Give me time.
	There is time enough.
	To quote a Nexus 6 android from Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, time enough.
	Catherine, you're back on the show already after our discussion last week because it turns out that you've written a fair thing or two.
	I have your articles in front of me from your sub stack about artificial intelligence.
	That's why we played that little clip.
	I'm a complete Luddite.
	I can barely use my cell phone, but it is a topic du jour.
	Everybody seems to be talking about artificial intelligence, especially with this chat GPT thing, which I guess is going to eradicate any form of Creative work in colleges and high schools across America.
	So, first things first.
	Very simple question.
	Is artificial intelligence something we should be worried about, Catherine?
	Well, I see it in two ways.
	I think it's something that we should both be embracing and learning how to work with and be afraid of at the same time, or rather be wary of and creating rules and regulations around to make sure that we are protected.
	Because I think often we rush into embracing technologies and don't create any frameworks for working with them.
	So as that clip that you just played illustrates, they're getting really good.
	The deep fakes.
	I don't know if you've come across, but I can take 15 minutes of your voice right now, okay?
	And you've got plenty of your voice to go around because you use it quite often.
	And I can make you say anything I want you to say.
	You know, I can have an endorsement of Biden ready like this.
	Are you saying my unique, mellifluous British-Hungarian-American accent can be replicated with just 15 minutes of my spoken word?
	It would be replicated very easily.
	And that is terrifying.
	And I don't think people realize how good this technology is getting.
	I did a talk about sort of, it was kind of a TED style talk about the dark future at a conference.
	And I was talking about the algorithms and the deep fakes that await us all, how we can be manipulated.
	And at the time, I don't even think I realized quite how good this was going to get.
	I had an inkling.
	But this technology is... One thing you haven't seen, there was a video of DeSantis also floating around in the office.
	Now, you can see... You mean, yes, the one where they've imposed his face onto Michael's face from the TV show, The Office.
	That's right.
	And it's pretty good, right?
	Yeah.
	People can recognize it because, you know, instantly, because it's parody.
	But most of the time, like, imagine this in the election cycle, okay?
	Well, this is my question.
	So before we get to that, and you know, it's application in terms of, you know, systemic misinformation, how, what levels of technology and expense are we talking about to do this effectively?
	So tell us a little bit about I think that the thing that is Running around like a disease, like COVID, is this chat GPT thing, this program that you can ask questions of and it'll write you essays or what have you.
	So to do good, deep fakes that could be used, for example, in an election to misinform people, is that super expensive?
	Does it take a nation-state's amount of computing power?
	What are we talking about today, Catherine?
	No, and ChatGBT is a different kind of tool.
	So ChatGBT is something that could be quite useful depending on how you use it.
	And it also could be mind-numbing for this generation of children who are trying to write essays with it in schools.
	So it's the bane of existence for a lot of teachers.
	So, okay, ChadGBT, you can go to ChadGBT and you can ask it questions.
	And you can ask it to write an essay for you or a paper for you.
	And a lot of people are afraid it's going to displace, say, people like me, who are journalists or writers.
	But ChadGBT makes a lot of mistakes, and they are called hallucinations in the AI world.
	So you can ask it, hey, you know, write a biography for You know, you for example, right?
	So we'll write a biography and you'll read it and it will sound kind of plausible and then you'll realize, oh, it's just invented a bunch of things.
	And the problem with that is, so for example, if I ask it to write something highly specialized that I do not have real knowledge on, I won't be able to figure out if what is written to me is a lie or the truth.
	And so a lot of people are relying on it for accurate information, and it doesn't actually provide accurate information.
	And where is it gleaning?
	So whatever it's generating, where is it gleaning it from?
	Is it just open source?
	Is it, you know, when you say, write me an essay on biosynthetic, you know, diesel, is it going on to Google?
	Is it an AI?
	Where is it getting the building blocks of what it is generating?
	Yeah, so it's been fed a lot of data through.
	So the reason, for example, that people are afraid that it has all these biases, right, is because it's been gleaning data.
	It's been fed a lot of data from the Internet, from different papers from the Internet.
	And the Internet itself has a lot of biases, for example.
	So, you know, as we know, media outlets Or media news stories, for example, they have a lot of glaring, kind of, they could be wrong, they could be biased.
	And that's where it's getting all its information.
	It's not human, it can't kind of decipher things, so it makes mistakes.
	But it also invents things, which is something that is a really serious issue.
	And some of the people who are actual experts in this field that I talk to, Seems to be under the impression that it might not be even something that be able to overcome.
	The other thing is you mentioned creativity, you know, is AI creative?
	And some people will disagree with me, but I would argue that it is not, right?
	Because it's gleaning everything that it's taking.
	It's taking from humans, things that humans have created.
	But where I do see the possibilities is it's an enhancement tool.
	So you can use it as a tool.
	You can't stop it anyways, right?
	You gotta live with it.
	So let's go back to that question of the application, the dark side application of how AI could be used, for example, in a political campaign.
	Yeah.
	Well, in a political campaign, the scariest thing to me that I see, well, there's a few areas of this, but one of the scariest parts for me is For example, as you've seen with the DeSantis video or with
	audio, it's so easy to create something that doesn't exist. So I can create a video
	saying DeSantis or Biden had said something that they never said or done something they haven't done,
	and hey, I caught it all on tape, and I disseminate it. And as we've already seen throughout
	the years, when you put something out on the internet, people just share it, they don't really
	think twice. And when it's a video or even a photo, that is something that people believe. It's just
	they've sort of been programmed over the years to believe it, even if they know this technology
	exists.
	But, even if they become skeptics and they think, well, this could be AI, well, that plays into the candidates' strengths as well, because they could say, well, I never said it, even when it is something that's true.
	So it becomes much more difficult for us to be able to tell, as human beings, whether something is real or not, and bad actors can use it to their advantage.
	All right, we're going to dive deep in this topic with somebody who's published on it.
	Please check out her substack right now, randomminds.substack.com.
	That's randomminds.substack.com.
	And follow our guest Catherine Brodsky on Twitter at mysteriouscat with a K. That's mysteriouscat with a K. If you enjoy our deep dive, With the real experts, with the true newsmakers, please subscribe, go to your favorite podcast platform, whichever one it is, plug in my name Sebastian Gorka right now, leave us a five-star review, share the links with your friends, and then check out all the amazing merchandise at the SebGorkaStore.com if you've had it with political persecution, the abuse of the DOJ and the FBI.
	The I Stand With 45 flag and t-shirt is one of our top sellers.
	It's Pride Month!
	We are all LGBTQ here.
	Get your LGBTQ t-shirt.
	This one stands for Let's Get Biden to Quit.
	SebGorkerStore.com.
	That's S-E-B-G-O-R-K-A.
	SebGorkerStore.com.
	Catherine, I understand that you started off your influencer career, your content creator career, with movie reviews.
	And I'm a big, big movie buff.
	Every Friday we have fun here with my buddy Chris Coles of the Mr. Reagan channel.
	And we review movies that we love together.
	The last one we did, literally last Friday, was The Terminator.
	Which I think is not just an amazing movie, but has been so influential with regards to conventional wisdoms about artificial intelligence, Skynet, Armageddon, one day the computers, the robots will nuke us.
	There was that fake report.
	I mean, a fascinating case study just a week ago of the simulation game Involving a UAV, an unmanned aerial vehicle, that killed the operator of the UAV.
	My son told me over dinner yesterday, you do know dad, that never happened.
	There was no assimilation.
	There was a thought exercise.
	They were talking about, what if a UAV, in assimilation, killed the operator?
	So it's like, it's...
	Byzantine levels of disinformation or exploitation of it.
	Let's start with the basic question.
	Does the idea of, you know, the Terminator, the T-800, Skynet nuking all human life because they're deemed to be a disease, does this keep you awake at night, Catherine?
	I have to say, I'm a little more optimistic than some other people are on this particular topic.
	I do not think that the Terminators are out to get there, because I think we can unplug them if that should ever happen, because they still need an electrical supply.
	But I know it keeps a lot of people up at night.
	I think human beings are really essential to humanity.
	That is a terrible statement.
	You should kick me off the show now.
	Life on Earth.
	Life on Earth.
	Human beings are necessary.
	It's not just about the cute bunny rabbits and the daisies in the field.
	How about that?
	Is that a good alternative?
	Yes.
	Well, look, I think there's a lot of talk about whether AI will be able to reach something called singularity, right?
	Self-awareness, where they become to think for themselves versus just being our slave machines.
	And honestly, right now, I don't think we are at a point where we really can say that that's going to happen.
	And people will argue with me.
	And look, I may be proven wrong.
	But until we have that point, I'm not losing sleep over The Terminator myself.
	But I could be proven wrong, and then The Terminator will have a laugh at me.
	Why is it that do you think people are so obsessed with this concept?
	That, you know, one day the machines will rise up, Catherine.
	Is it just another dystopian alternative?
	It was nuclear war, it was the ozone layer, and now it's going to be AI.
	I mean, people really are always afraid of these dystopian outcomes because they make decisions that are constantly threatening their existence.
	So maybe they should stop doing that and they'll have less nightmares.
	But I mean, look, we do make decisions that lead to poor consequences.
	But every cycle in history, I mean, when the sewing machines came around, right, and people were upset about that and people were displaced.
	Every time we have a technological revolution, there are consequences that are actually negative.
	People get displaced and people will get displaced in this situation, too.
	There will be negative consequences for sure.
	But there will also be some positive consequences as well.
	And I think people tend to fear the unknown.
	And AI right now is the unknown.
	It's hard to predict everything that's going to happen.
	And people try, and we can make some predictions with some degree of certainty.
	Not very good certainty, but some certainty.
	But the unknown, I think, scares people.
	And the dystopian nature of it, because we do, as human beings, make bad decisions all the time.
	Yeah, I'm going to ask you, you have an article entitled at your substack, how AI will change our world.
	We don't have to be afraid of it destroying our world, but how it will change our world is the question of the day.
	We're talking to Catherine Brodsky.
	Follow her right now on Twitter at mysteriouscat with a K and the substack for her unique content
	is randomminds.substack.com.
	That's randomminds.substack.com.
	Guarantee that you never miss anything we have to share with you.
	Our analysis, our guests, our latest content.
	We are everywhere that matters on social media.
	Just look for Seb Gawker or Sebastian Gawker on True Social, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram,
	parlour, get a telegram.
	You can watch us on your television.
	Yes, we are a televisual feast through your Roku, Fire Stick, or your Salem News Channel app.
	And for my unique content, brand new articles every week, just go to my Substack, sebastiangawker.substack.com.
	That's my whole name.
	Sebastian Gawker is one word.
	.substack.com.
	All right, so walk us through, if we're not going to subscribe to the Terminators are going to come and kill us all and Skynet will destroy humanity, but you do say that AI will change our world.
	Give us some of the ways that it is changing or will change our lives, Catherine.
	Well, I think our workforce is going to have to change completely.
	But I think in some ways it's going to reshift our idea of like, what is it that makes us human?
	So, you know, certain kinds of labor that are sort of the tedious types of labors, those are going to go away.
	They are going to be replaced eventually by machines.
	However, I think we're going to have a lot more interest in things that are more artisanal, more human, more creative.
	People are going to value products that were created by human beings.
	Even now, look, people pay premium prices for things that were handmade or things that were grown in farmers markets, right?
	So I see more of that happening.
	And then we have this ability to extend our human imagination.
	For example, I can't paint, right?
	I don't know if you can paint, but I can't paint.
	My parents were artists.
	I inherited none of their skill.
	Okay, well, I don't have the skill myself and it would take me many years to train but I have the imagination to Imagine these images.
	I have them in my head.
	I have them in my mind now I can use certain AI tools to marry that imagination to create prompts and then take that and take my human ability to be creative and and then take the AI and use it as a tool to then generate
	these things that I imagine.
	And it's the same thing, I can do that with music. There are some tools that are being created in
	that way, and I have some musical ability, but you know, this, you can actually take and fine
	tune things, you can hum things, the AI can help you complete certain musical compositions.
	So I see AI is actually an ability to marry the human creativity and the skill that the
	AI can be trained on to create things. And then on top of it,
	You know, I think we're going to have a very different kind of world in terms of work, the workforce, you know, I do think we're not where a lot of people are going to lose their jobs in the near future.
	That is That is true.
	And we're going to have to figure out a way to deal with it, whether it is something like UBI, which I know some people protest against.
	And I was actually sort of one of these people, but that might need to be something that we have to contend with in the future.
	But then also we will find perhaps new skills, new jobs and ways to find meaning in our lives.
	And we also have an aging generation, for example, right?
	So there'll be more caretakers and our humanity is going to be more appreciated.
	So that's where I think we're going to head in terms of our social evolution.
	Yeah, it's interesting.
	Every generation or whenever there's a big leap forward technologically, there's a fear that it's going to be disastrous for a sector of the workforce.
	It was the coach drivers when the internal combustion engine became popular.
	Oh my gosh, the coach drivers and the horse-drawn carriages!
	And we're 120 years later and it's not as if we have generations of people unemployed because there were no horse-drawn carriages to be used.
	There's a new industry that develops.
	There's a person who has to become a mechanic, the guy who has to fix the car, the guy who has to, you know, pour the gasoline into it.
	So this idea that just because there's an advancement, there's a sector of the population, you know, we've talked about this repeatedly again and again and again over generations, and it's always been, well, let's just say counterfactual.
	You are listening to America First, one-on-one with me, your host, Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to the 45th President of the United States with our guest, Katherine Brodsky.
	We are broadcasting to you from just outside the insalubrious, fetid, rank, malodorous, noisome swamp that is Washington, D.C.
	from TheReliefFactor.com studios.
	Don't forget to subscribe to our podcast wherever you get your podcasts from.
	Plug in Sebastian Gawker, America First.
	Leave us a five star review and share the links with your friends because that's how we get the truth out there.
	I've seen things people wouldn't believe.
	Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of a lion.
	I watched sea beans glitter in the dark near the 10 hours a game.
	All those moments will be lost in time.
	Like tears in rain.
	The best part of the best movie ever made.
	That is just a statement of empirical fact.
	Blade Runner.
	We've reviewed it here on this show.
	It truly is my favorite movie.
	And it's very apropos of our discussion today about artificial intelligence.
	So, you said something right at the beginning of our interview, Catherine, where you said, with regards to ChatGPT, it's not human.
	Right?
	You said, it's not human.
	Now, that's my issue with all of those who predict a calamity, an apocalypse, the AI, you know, what did you call it?
	Not the culmination point.
	What did you, when it becomes sentient?
	Oh, singularity.
	The singularity.
	When something that we created out of, you know, bits and bytes and binary code and what have you, suddenly becomes sentient, I just Don't buy it.
	And not because I'm a Christian and I believe in the soul, although that could be the theological answer.
	Just from a kind of gut sense, I don't buy it.
	It's like, the story of that scene, let's talk about that scene.
	That scene of the death at the end of Blade Runner.
	of Roy Batty, the replicant, the Nexus 6 replicant that's being hunted down by the
	Blade Runner Harrison Ford by Rick Deckard. That script was a bad script and the Danish actor
	he, you know, Rutger Hauer said to the director this, I can't say these lines, he's a garbage,
	and he was a poet himself, a filmmaker, he went off to his trailer and he wrote those lines.
	He sat in his trailer and he said, those moments will be lost like tears in rain.
	It's that element of the ineffable creativity of the human mind The soul, if you will, what have you, whatever way you wish to express it.
	That a man-made thing I don't believe will ever be able to replicate.
	Am I whistling past the graveyard or could I be on to something?
	I mean, for me, it comes from a certain gut feeling as well, I suppose.
	But I'm not a theologist, and I'm not a religious person, so I don't come at it from the same angle.
	But I will say, here's where I come down on, for example, human creativity versus AI.
	Here's where I can prove that a human being can create logically.
	and an AI cannot from scratch, right?
	A human being at some point had nothing to work with, and yet we created, you know,
	whether it was the wheel or music or paintings, right?
	And we build on things over time.
	You know, we were inspired by other things and we built.
	And when we create something, it is based on our emotions.
	It is based on memories.
	It is based on other people's work also.
	But when an AI creates, it is completely based on a set of data, and it is an algorithm.
	Inputs.
	It is not inspired.
	It's inputs.
	It is not a feeling, it is not emotion, it is not a real memory.
	So to take from that data aspect, to take from that algorithmic aspect to something that actually is self-conscious and is feeling, I just don't think we're going to get there.
	Now, look, I could end up being wrong.
	You can end up being wrong.
	No, that's impossible.
	Yeah, well, you know, you have more self-confidence than I do.
	I'm more willing to admit I might be wrong.
	Have you read anybody, because this is such the topic of the hour, Is there anybody out there who's even trying to make the argument that these are machines?
	Let's be clear.
	It's a computer.
	It is a machine.
	It may not have cogs and gears, but it is a machine.
	ChatGPT is a machine.
	It's a program.
	Has anybody made any kind of Even theoretical argument that the singularity moment, the self-awareness, is in any way based on some kind of scientific projection.
	Because you're right.
	I mean, I've never had it expressed so clearly.
	We impress ourselves with our, you know, Elon Musk's rocket ships, with our computers, with the Sistine Chapel, but there was a moment in time where humans had nothing.
	There was no wheel.
	There was no chisel.
	There was no art.
	There was no music.
	And guess what?
	It was created by human beings.
	So has anybody made any kind of convincing attempt to even theorize that, yeah, it's gonna happen because reasons?
	Yeah, I mean, I'm sure they have.
	I wish I could give you a better answer than I'm right now.
	I haven't heard a very compelling one.
	I do think that the reasons that they give are probably rooted in something mathematical or scientific, but I just haven't heard anything that I found that compelling, because they can't prove it definitively.
	So there isn't anything but a theory right now.
	But it makes for good science fiction movies, right?
	It does.
	And here's the thing.
	We project.
	You can take a toy, right?
	I mean, when I was a kid, probably still to this day, I could take a little, you know, toy something, right?
	Like Eeyore.
	I completely project onto Eeyore from Winnie the Pooh.
	You know, he looks so sad.
	And I think he has a personality.
	And if Eeyore could talk with me and even with these AI things, I mean, they're really good at mimicking humans.
	They are.
	But they're not.
	Do you relate to Eeyore?
	I do.
	I relate to Tigger.
	I relate to Tigger.
	I can see that.
	I can see that.
	That'd be perfect, Ted.
	Way to go to Katherine Brodsky.
	The substack is randomminds.substack.com.
	Randomminds.substack.com.
	And she is on Twitter.
	Yes.
	Elon's new platform.
	Mysterious Cat is the pseudonym.
	K for cat.
	Mysterious Cat.
	I am not Morgan Freeman.
	And what you see is not real.
	Well, at least in contemporary terms, it is not.
	What if I were to tell you that I'm not even a human being?
	Would you believe me?
	What is your perception of reality?
	Is it the ability to capture, process, and make sense of the information our senses receive?
	If you can see, hear, taste, or smell something, does that make it real?
	Or is it simply the ability to feel?
	I would like to welcome you to the era of synthetic reality.
	Now, what do you see?
	Thank you to Alex, our engineer, who sent me that synthetic reality, which is an oxymoron.
	You can't have synthetic reality.
	That's not Morgan Freeman.
	Look, I can tell.
	For me, there's something about that.
	Halfway and I go, I thought, yeah, it is it.
	However, Catherine, it's pretty impressive.
	Pretty impressive piece of AI there.
	My question to you is, why the heck, or maybe it is, isn't that being used more already to distribute disinformation?
	Oh, well, it's only a matter of time.
	Really, it's only a matter of time.
	I think to do a really good job at it, it still takes a little bit of tools.
	Like that one, I think that was probably high production and it still wasn't that great
	because he really can tell.
	I've seen a really good one.
	There's one that Tom Cruise kind of, what do you call it, like a twin looking actor.
	There's one that he does, so he'll do the same, he will mimic the same kind of motions.
	He can do the voice pretty well.
	Those ones are incredibly good.
	So there's different levels to it, but I think at a certain point that's going to start happening
	and we're going to have to develop tools and those tools are not.
	Coming fast enough.
	Those tools need to be able to authenticate that this was created as AI imagery or video.
	And I know that's being worked on, but it hasn't been really released.
	So, for example, on Twitter, ideally what's going to happen when you're uploading a photo or you're uploading a video, it needs to label it by default.
	This was originated as in an AI program.
	I mean, this is also going to come up in court at some point, too.
	Of course.
	Right?
	I can think about all the, you know, inheritance.
	You know, there's going to be some video.
	I give all my whatever to whatever, and it's going to be a deepfake.
	So yes, I think that the first response was the right one.
	It's just a matter of time.
	But until then, I think both Catherine and I are going to say a little bit skeptical about the Terminators coming to get us.
	Stay connected.
	Read this lady's writings.
	Randomminds.substack.com.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First one-on-one.

▲