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June 2, 2023 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Senate passes disastrous debt bill

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	Thank you.
	Happy Friday!
	Welcome, dear friends.
	Greetings.
	This is America First with me, your host, Sebastian Gorka.
	We're going to have an incredible show for you today, as we always do, especially because of the guests we have.
	We can get people like President Trump.
	We can get all kinds of individuals.
	But, Jeff, how many people from the Senate do we allow on the show?
	I think two.
	That's it, right?
	Out of a hundred?
	Yes.
	We like that new guy.
	What's his name?
	JD, right?
	JD Vance.
	And who's the only other person we will allow on this show?
	That would be the next guest.
	Oh, you know!
	Okay, you've given it away.
	The only person we allow from the Senate outside of the new Senator from Ohio is a person who we consider to be a citizen first and not a career politician and that's why we love her and so does Tennessee.
	Welcome Senator Marsha Blackburn!
	Hi there, how are you doing?
	Very well, very well, and we are delighted to open the show with you today.
	No monologue, dear friends, we have a far more important guest than that.
	Senator Blackburn, first things first, I have to ask you, it passed the Senate as well.
	Four trillion dollars added to the 31, almost 32 trillion dollars of debt this nation has.
	Can you tell us the back story and what your take is on the vote?
	Yes, I can.
	First of all, I think it's important to say that no one wants this country to default.
	So that's important to note.
	Secondly, I think Speaker McCarthy deserves a lot of credit for getting something through the Senate and forcing Joe Biden to the negotiating table.
	So Those things have to be said.
	With that said, what came out of the House, the negotiated bill, here's my concerns.
	Number one, it sets a date certain.
	You know, basically, the buzzer's going to sound on January 1st, 2025.
	And it doesn't set a dollar amount.
	So between now and then, they're going to be running up the score.
	You know, Sebastian, it's like that TV show where people get a grocery cart, they win the prize, and they've got two minutes to fill up the cart with everything they can before the buzzer sounds.
	Well, what do they do?
	They go for the most expensive things first.
	And that is exactly what is going to happen.
	And they are going to spend like crazy.
	And we'll be able to watch them spend on all of these programs that are considered mandatory spending.
	Not that 15% of the budget that we look at as discretionary, but they're going to make things, more things, mandatory.
	But this key point, I mean, this is the most outrageous of all.
	The fact that this bill not only adds $4 trillion, but there'll be no debate for the next two years on a debt ceiling, which means as they come up to an election year, they can basically do what they wish, Senator.
	Yes.
	See, this is my concern.
	And then it's at the end of Biden's administration, it is during the lame duck.
	So, we are all going to have to be on guard and double-check the Democrats and make certain they don't push things into the mandatory spending category.
	So, item number one there.
	Second thing that was of concern to me was the lack of funding for the military.
	We are not even meeting the rate of inflation.
	That's a problem.
	So we have to be sure we meet that rate of inflation.
	Biden wants to spend less.
	I didn't want to take his number on the military and you say, well, $850 billion, that's a lot.
	Well, during the Obama years, first during the Clinton years, and then during the Obama years, there was a reduction in military spending.
	And people say, well, we had the peace dividend during the Clinton years.
	And part of that is true.
	But yet, you have to continue investing.
	And when you look at what is happening with Space Force, with hypersonics, when you look at the aggressiveness of China, the way they're building their Blue Water Navy, we cannot sit around and wait to see what they're going to do.
	So, you know, I think that that should concern us all.
	The other thing, the 87,000 IRS agents are there.
	They were able to pull the money on part of that, but they were not able to pull the money, all of the money.
	So we still have that hanging out there and they're going to go after mom and pops and small businesses and people that make under $400,000 a year.
	And then the last thing is there is a provision in their section 263 of the bill deals with rescissions and the 1% across the board cut.
	But in section 265 it gives The OMB director, the authority to waive the cap.
	Incredible.
	Absolutely incredible.
	You know, it's not Congress can waive the caps.
	No.
	It is a federal bureaucrat.
	It's the federal bureaucrat that can do it.
	Waive the caps and spend whatever they decide they want to spend.
	You know, this to me, those were the reasons I said, no, I'm going to vote no.
	Because nobody needs to get the idea that Everybody is good with this bill because we are not good with some of the provisions that are set forth in this bill.
	Well, God bless you.
	We're talking to Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee, senior U.S.
	Senator.
	Blackburn.senate.gov.
	Follow her at Marsha Blackburn.
	She's the author of The Mind of a Conservative Woman.
	Senator Blackburn, your team, this is why we love having you on this show, informed us of a story we weren't aware of concerning Obama's former chief of staff, McDonough.
	Could you tell us about this developing story?
	Absolutely.
	You know, we were getting ready for a VA hearing.
	I'm on the Veterans Affairs Committee.
	And the Durham report had come out that day.
	And I looked at the Durham report, and lo and behold, that July 2016 meeting that was in the Situation Room at the White House, where they were cooking up this plot to develop a Russia collusion hope And then weaponize DOJ and FBI against a private citizen running for President of the United States.
	Well, Dennis McDonough was then the Chief of Staff for Barack Obama.
	DOJ, in the Durham report, said he was one of the participants in the meeting.
	And I decided during my questioning time, I would ask him if this was indeed accurate.
	Because he's now the Secretary of Veterans Affairs.
	That's right.
	He is in charge of looking after the health care and benefits of our nation's veterans.
	And what did he say?
	We've got a minute left.
	What did he say, Senator?
	He said he forgot.
	He said he forgot.
	So I thought, you know what?
	I don't like that people forget or they can't recall, so I'm going to send him a letter, ask him to clarify his participation.
	Was he in meetings with the FBI?
	Was he a part of cooking this up?
	Was he aware of what was being done to weaponize the federal government?
	You know, we've got a lot of veterans in this nation, and I would hate to think that the
	federal government was ever weaponized against these men and women who have served this country
	with distinction.
	And someone who has weaponized the government against a citizen ought not to be in charge
	of a federal agency being paid by the taxpayers of this country.
	Thank you for bringing that to our attention.
	We will dig deeper.
	Why is Biden's Secretary for Veterans Affairs embroiled in the Russia hoax?
	Former Chief of Staff for Obama colluding with the FBI?
	Stay tuned and we will tell you all as soon as we find out.
	Blackburn.senate.gov at Marshal Blackburn.
	God bless you, Senator.
	Thank you for joining us today.
	I'm Sebastian Walker.
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	I was having a nice dinner with my family last night and then I hopped onto Twitter and onto a Twitter Spaces and this Topic blew up.
	The war between Elon Musk and the Daily Wire.
	I think that's a little bit of an overstatement.
	To explain what really happened and how to solve it, we've got the author of Get Based, former Green Beret and good buddy and, you know, sometimes sits in this chair.
	The one and only Jim Hansen.
	Jim, happy Friday.
	Good to be with you, sir.
	Right, so what happened yesterday?
	Something about advertising, Matt Walsh's documentary and censorship?
	Yeah, well, it was a daily where I was going to celebrate the one-year anniversary of Matt Walsh's great documentary, What Is A Woman?
	So they made a deal with Twitter where they were going to give it up for free.
	Yeah, you could watch the whole film for free.
	Yeah, 90-minute documentary.
	And they made an advertising deal where they were going to buy the fact that it would be given to everybody who's got a Twitter account once during that 12-hour period.
	Write a big check for that.
	Twitter agreed to it.
	And then the day before, they're like, hold on a second.
	Somebody misgenders somebody in this.
	And they called the deal off.
	Twitter cancelled it.
	Twitter cancelled the deal.
	Because the book is called, the film is called What is a Woman.
	And they figured out, yeah, that someone actually said, well, if you call someone by their wrong pronoun, even though it's their right sex, that that violates their terms of service somehow.
	So the conclusion that was drawn is that all the personnel changes in Palo Alto weren't that effective, Jim?
	Apparently, there is still some infection in paradise there.
	And some people left last night.
	The head of trust and safety, Ella Irwin was her name.
	Left or were made to leave?
	We don't know.
	Who knows?
	She's not there.
	She's gone.
	And at least one other person are gone from that group.
	And Elon actually tweeted when this blew up.
	He said, several people made mistakes at Twitter.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Then he came in.
	He said, no, it's going to go on, but it's just not going to have advertising next to it.
	And it's going to be limited somewhat.
	So hang on.
	This is really important.
	So he quote unquote fixed it.
	But there's no advertising associated with it on Twitter, which is kind of like, didn't he buy it to make money?
	I'm confused.
	That was kind of the point.
	And that's where they're screwing up.
	They've got this policy, freedom of speech, not reach, where they won't censor it.
	They'll let it be there.
	They just won't promote it and allow it to go to people who haven't specifically asked for it.
	So he enforced that policy on him last night.
	Now, that all went.
	That's ghettoizing content based upon politics, isn't it?
	100%.
	100%.
	Yeah, it is thought policing, tone policing, and it allows the other side, the actual extreme side, per the abortion issue, the extreme side is people who think men can get pregnant and have babies, not people who understand humanity is men and women, male and female.
	So, they're letting them speak and not letting us speak.
	Now, you've got a new initiative called Free the Bird, right?
	Free Bird Alliance.
	Free Bird Alliance.
	How does it address these issues?
	We've gathered most of the major conservative media outlets, think tanks.
	You would recognize all the names.
	I'm not going to announce them yet because there's lawyering to do.
	I'm going to form a trade group and we're going to go to Elon with a proposal that says Don't censor content at the front end.
	Let users pull content based on what they want and filter out what they don't want.
	And then let everyone go.
	And for advertisers, the other thing we're going to do is we're going to hold them accountable.
	Because if you're advertising on all of the trans-friendly stuff and all this craziness, but you're going ahead and shutting out companies that support us, we're going to Bud Light you.
	okay so I gotta ask I love the idea what are your chances what's your give me your sit rep of what whether he can tussle with the people who are still there Well, he brought in a CEO who comes from the other side, really, and who needs to be able to tell advertisers who are now scared.
	The left scared advertisers into believing that if you advertise next to conservative content, we'll attack you.
	Well, we just leveled the playing field with Bud Light, Target, Coles, and now the Dodgers, and Major League Baseball.
	So I think that is changing.
	That dynamic is changing.
	And we need advertisers to understand, if you're going to disrespect and discriminate against half the country, Your products and your stock will suffer.
	And so I think we've got a pretty good chance based on that.
	I love the idea.
	Somebody at least is taking the initiative.
	Follow him right now at Jim Hansen DC.
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	We shall continue the discussion of what we do in this environment where even the mega companies have gone politically correct and gone work.
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	You know, I really go after the one who's second.
	And I think the one who's second is going down so much and so rapidly that I don't think he's gonna be second that much longer.
	I think he's gonna be third or fourth.
	He had a very bad day today.
	He got very angry at the press.
	You're not allowed to get angry at the press.
	Let me, let me... At the fake news, he got angry.
	You can make fun of them, just don't get angry at them, because you'll be angry all the time.
	That's President Trump again talking about the governor of Florida.
	We've got clips from DeSantis as well.
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	All right, Jim, you understand information warfare, you understand irregular warfare as a former Green Beret.
	To quote, I mentioned Chris Plant earlier on his show, he says, I don't do boycotts.
	Now, he hasn't bought a Bud Light, by the way, since the Dylan Mulvaney video, and that was the only beer he drank, so good for you, Chris.
	Convince me that this works, whether the boycott thing works, because yes, we've seen billions taken off the market cap of, you know, Coles and Target.
	But at the end of the day, the primary, to use a military term, the real center of gravity of the enemy isn't the individual retailer.
	It's the vanguard.
	It's the BlackRock who comes in and says, if you're not woke, we're not investing in you.
	How do we take them on?
	And does a boycott work against them?
	They've got trillions, Jim.
	The problem is all directors of companies, corporations, have a fiduciary responsibility to make money.
	If what you're doing demonstrably is driving down the profitability of your company, you can be sued.
	You can actually face legal liability for that.
	So they actually are not allowed to do things just because they think it's the greatest thing in the world to do if it damages the company.
	Now we've got proof it does.
	So they're in trouble, you know?
	But wouldn't that demand some kind of really aggressive action by shareholders at shareholder meetings?
	And people say, hang on, you lost me nine billion last week because you're woke.
	How do we engender that?
	You have to be targeted to be punny about it.
	You can't boycott everything.
	If I boycotted everybody who I disagree with politically, I would starve to death, have no entertainment, not be able to listen to music.
	So you have to pick and choose your battles.
	Bud Light was a great one because they made a stupid choice for people who are fundamentally not compatible with that queer agenda.
	But even there, the woman's still on paid leave.
	The idiot who made the decision hasn't even been fired.
	It's not like, you know, Elon Musk just fires you the same day.
	These people pay no consequences, Jim.
	Well, they're paying consequences in their sales are down 25% and continuing to stay down.
	They're not rebounding.
	So it's not a temporary thing.
	A bunch of people are no longer Bud Light drinkers.
	So what do you expect?
	Because the thing that I'm not seeing, even from the CEO, is there's no contrition.
	There's these non-apology apologies.
	They need to grovel, don't they?
	No, I want them to be scared.
	I don't care if they grovel, apologize, or anything else.
	I want them to be scared for their stock price, and their job, and for legal liability for crashing their company's financial ability.
	So the thing they're scared of now, they're scared of the left, because the left is organized around these ratings for ESG and CEI, like you mentioned, which are woke ratings for corporations.
	But those have nothing to do with profitability.
	Exactly!
	They're actually detrimental.
	Right.
	And so now that they've been shown to be detrimental, they need to recognize that half their customers are us.
	And we don't play.
	And if we don't play, they're in trouble.
	In fact, if you look at Bud Light, it's the majority of their stinking customers are us.
	Exactly.
	Probably 70%.
	So if you lose that, and now what happened, Bud Light lost sales and then lost stock price.
	Target and Kohl's, their people got scared.
	The investors got scared first.
	Before the sales dropped.
	Exactly.
	Now they're seeing the sales drop.
	That's a good sign, right?
	Great sign, because that's fear.
	And we want fear.
	Be scared of us.
	We are a force to be reckoned with.
	Who was it?
	It was that Italian chap, wasn't it?
	That Machiavelli guy.
	I'd rather be feared than loved.
	Jim Hansen.
	Getting a little bit of strategy into the private free market enterprise.
	Yeah, I think it was Matt Walsh that said it.
	Just one by one.
	You don't have to boycott everybody.
	Just make an example or one of two of them and it's already happening.
	It's up to us guys!
	That's like, you know, going to Places like MyPillowDirectly are so important, and not the places like Amazon.com.
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	pronunciation and I'm just wondering to correct the record what is it?
	Oh, it's ridiculous, these stupid things.
	Listen, the way to pronounce my last name?
	Winner.
	When I saw that video of DeSantis yesterday, I thought it was a deep fake, and it was so cringeworthy.
	Jeff, that's real, right?
	Fox Digital.
	It's Fox Digital, yeah, so it's real.
	Well, it's Fox, so you never know.
	You pronounce DeSantis winner.
	Okay.
	We're going to talk more about the governor and President Trump later.
	We've got some more in studio.
	I guess, have you told everybody to wear a summer suit like me today to go all Obama?
	Because I saw Jim had a lovely summer outfit on.
	I know you guys look both like the Barack tan suit day.
	Have you told Carafano it's Obama Townsuit Day?
	We should.
	If we could get three, that would be really... What are you guys trying to do, commemorate the press conference?
	It's 92 degrees outside, Jeff!
	That's why!
	You're inside, though.
	I know, but I gotta get two here.
	Alright.
	I got something that really... What's the phrase?
	Chapped my ass today.
	A woman I love, who's been a regular guest of the show, who's an amazing patriot, texted me this morning a tweet.
	Outrageous!
	Children's choir stopped mid-performance while singing the national anthem at the US Capitol.
	Capitol Police claims it's prohibited.
	Wow!
	That's an outrageous story, isn't it?
	Children singing the National Anthem on Capitol Hill and being stopped, being interrupted by the Capitol Police.
	Well then I saw it was the Gateway Pundit.
	And I've told people in the past, for all the good stuff the Gateway Pundit and who's the guy behind it, Jim Hoft, they just They're greedy for clickbait or something.
	So I said, I'm gonna watch this.
	I'm gonna read the story.
	And the story says the Rushing Brook Children's Choir was interrupted and stopped, rudely, by the Capitol Police when they were singing on the Statuary Hall of Congress.
	And they put a video in it.
	And here's the beginning and the end of the video for those who are watching.
	It's a beautiful choir.
	I mean, the kids are amazing.
	Let's play the cut.
	Can you see, by the dawn's early light, What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
	was so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming.
	And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air, gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
	They weren't rudely interrupted by the Capitol Police.
	I found a photograph of the person who quietly went up to the teacher and whispered in his ear, a guy in jeans, who asked them to stop.
	Which is kind of bad.
	I don't like that.
	These kids are beautiful and they're singing beautifully.
	But why would you say that the Capitol Police rudely interrupted a children's choir singing the National Anthem?
	It's not worthy of a conservative outlet.
	Now, I immediately kicked up a fuss.
	I told the person who sent it to me, I'm going to check it out.
	And an hour ago, they added an editor's note to the top of the article.
	The man talking to the choir director was one of the guides who was told by the Capitol Police to walk over and stop the choir immediately.
	Oh, so that's the full story.
	And where's your source, if you're journalists?
	Where is your source that it was the Capitol Police?
	I don't like what happened on January 6th any more than anybody else.
	I hate the fact we have political prisoners.
	But don't undermine our side by sloppy or clickbaity posts.
	It hurts our cause.
	That includes you, Jim.
	Alright.
	I vented.
	Let's go to your calls.
	Don Los Angeles, welcome.
	Happy Friday, Don.
	Oh, Dr. G, happy Friday to you.
	Man, oh man.
	Ordinarily we talk about light-hearted stuff, but oh, my heart is heavy.
	I'm like you, you know, I'm pro-Ukraine, pro-Ukrainian freedom.
	And I'm really worried by what I'm hearing from both Mr. DeSantis and Mr. Trump about Ukraine.
	You know, Mr. DeSantis is all over the map.
	You know, one day it's all... He's Mr. Flip-Flop.
	You know, and it's like he's putting his finger in the wind trying to pander to someone.
	But then Mr. Trump says very positively, with certitude, you know, he says,
	oh, in one day I'll end this, you know, and I'm thinking, well, how can you do that?
	The only way you can do that is by cutting off Ukraine. I mean, he has no control over Ukraine.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don, Don, it's nothing to do with cutting off Ukraine.
	The reason it will end within 24 hours of President Trump, God willing, being sworn in as the Commander-in-Chief for a second time is because Putin is afraid of him.
	He won't continue to prosecute the war.
	Remember, we killed, when we were in office, we killed 300 Russian mercenaries in Syria in one day.
	We turned them into red mist.
	Putin didn't even hold a press conference.
	That's how afraid he is of President Trump.
	And he didn't invade anybody's countries.
	Unlike under Bush, Obama, and Biden.
	So when he says, I'll stop it, he'll stop it because Putin will stop it voluntarily.
	And when it comes to DeSantis, I'm sorry, he's just not ready for prime time.
	But it's okay, Don.
	Relax.
	Relax.
	We just have to make sure he's the Commander-in-Chief.
	Let's go to David in California.
	Oh, hi, Dr. Gorka.
	Listen, thanks for taking my call.
	Yeah.
	I need your wisdom and your opinion.
	I saw Gomer on TV last night.
	Oh, good.
	What show was he on?
	Oh, I forget.
	No, I forget.
	But my blood's boiling.
	The whole deal was he was going to hold Christopher Wray in contempt.
	Instead, he went to Wray's office.
	They showed him some documents.
	And what he came back with, he found some more bribery with an adversarial country.
	To America.
	But there was nothing, there's no teeth to it.
	There's nothing.
	I guess I must be naive.
	I keep hoping and praying that somebody is going to do something.
	Now, Monday, he's going to go back.
	Comer's going to go back to Christopher Reeve's office.
	Comer.
	Comer.
	Okay.
	Okay, Comer.
	He's, I'm sorry, listen.
	I have another name for him, but I can't tell you.
	He's going to go back Monday and meet with Christopher Wray.
	No, the latest is that they're going to give the document to the committee about Biden being paid $5 million to change US policy.
	Look, I'll share this with you right now, David.
	I spoke to somebody Who's on the committee, and I asked them, what's the plan?
	What's Comer doing?
	What's the strategic objective?
	And I'll share this with you right now.
	He said, there is no strategic objective.
	They have no plan on the committee.
	They just want to take little bites, little bites out of Biden every single day.
	That's not good enough.
	Congressman Comer, you can't win a war unless you have a plan.
	Just please reach out and talk to people who know how to do strategy.
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	Alright, I don't think this went as planned.
	Sean Hannity wanted to ask President Trump to tune it down and the audience weren't having any of it.
	They want the OG DJT.
	Cut to.
	And the argument that they make to me is if he would just tone it down a hair,
	stop a little of the name calling.
	I said it's their question Leave me alone.
	Alright.
	That it might help you with swing voters that are needed for you to get over the finish line.
	It's already hard enough electoral vote-wise for a Republican to win.
	What do you say to them?
	Okay, you ready?
	And I say this to everybody.
	I won an election.
	It was unprecedented.
	We beat somebody that supposedly had it made, and, you know, they probably did things in that election, too.
	They were shocked.
	But I came into office, and from the day I got in, I was under siege by people that have been in Washington for many years, put in there by many different presidents, in most cases, people that were against me.
	Like, they spied on my campaign.
	They did all sorts of things.
	I was under investigation and under siege, and so were my people.
	And if I wasn't tough, I wouldn't be here right now, I guarantee you that.
	If I didn't fight back, I wouldn't be here.
	That's why it's no Mr. Nice Guy, because he was under siege the whole time.
	I just came up.
	Did you catch that, guys?
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	Alright, it's time to check in with the man who is at the center of all things Trump.
	Attorney to the President.
	He's Senior Advisor to the President.
	We just call him the Baron.
	Boris Epstein, are you there?
	I'm right here, and it's an honor to be with you in the audience.
	All right, let's have some fun.
	We can't have President Trump on today, but we've got you.
	But we've got to play a cut from his chat with my old colleague at Fox, Sean Hannity, about the people who think they have a chance against the 45th president.
	Let's play Cut 4 from the president.
	Let's talk about, what, I guess we're up to nine people after next week.
	That's a good thing, isn't it?
	I think pretty good, but I don't think it matters.
	I don't know why people are doing it.
	They're at one percent, some are at zero.
	I hear Chris Christie's coming in.
	He was at 6% in New Jersey, which is, I love New Jersey, but 6% approval rating in New Jersey.
	What's the purpose?
	And he's polling at zero.
	And others are, I call him Ada Hutchinson.
	I don't call him Asa, I call him Ada Hutchinson.
	I gave him a little name for some reason, for certain reasons.
	But this guy, nobody knows who the hell he is.
	Never, never good.
	And some, you know, it's fine, but I don't understand what they're doing.
	Now, maybe there's something wrong, but when you're at 1% or less, you know, 1%, it says 1% with an arrow pointing left.
	There's one guy who's at zero with an arrow pointing left.
	That means he's at less than zero.
	So it is what it is.
	You know, I really go after the one who's second.
	I just saw a clip on Fox Baron where Asa Hutchin is saying, it's a really good sign that President Trump is talking about me, not if he's saying nobody's heard of you.
	I mean, you've worked on so many campaigns.
	Help me out here, Boris.
	What are these people thinking?
	People like Christie, Asa, are they just egos out of control?
	Is it a book deal?
	What is it?
	You got it right there, my friend.
	It's a combination.
	Egos out of control.
	Book deal, consulting deals for the lawyers, you know, maybe they pick up a couple clients.
	That's what it is.
	Get their name out there, get their name ID up, maybe get the brand rolling a little bit, and then people think of them.
	You know, then when the word president and their name is in the same sentence, it makes them feel good, and then they can go and market it.
	The bottom line, here's this.
	President Trump leads Ron DeSanctimonious by 50 points on the economy nationally and in the early stages.
	President Trump leads Iran by 28 on the economy in the state of Florida.
	Let me say that again.
	President Trump leads Florida governor on the economy by 28 in the state of Florida.
	This primary, in quotes, has become an annihilation.
	Why?
	Because the American people and the Republican Party and the MAGA movement want President Trump back in office as soon as humanly possible.
	And when they see the disaster that is Joe Biden, when they see the absolute despicable state our country is in, as President Trump spoke about, they don't want some untested alternative.
	They want the person who was the most successful president in modern American history, and they want him back in office as soon as possible, and that's President Donald J. Trump.
	Yeah, it's just galling to me that somebody who's standing at 0.8% is actually giving interviews about their chances.
	All right, let's talk about the man who is between 20 and 40 points behind the president.
	Look, I know the head, he's a friend of ours, of yours and mine, the head of strategic communications for the president.
	When I saw this clip, I thought our friend had made this.
	I thought this was a deep, fake AI.
	But it isn't.
	It is the most embarrassing thing.
	This is the governor of Florida being asked a very simple question.
	How do you pronounce your last name?
	Cut one, play cut.
	There's been some confusion over your last name and the pronunciation, and I'm just wondering, to correct the record, what is it?
	Oh, it's ridiculous, these stupid things.
	Listen, the way to pronounce my last name?
	Winner.
	I don't know what to say.
	Is that for real, Barron?
	It's real.
	Just like Rob, as they call him, going crazy on The Reporter yesterday.
	Are you blind?
	Are you blind?
	Something's going on.
	The Florida governor has been exposed in a way that's so debilitating and really one of the worst falls for a politician, I think, in American history in a lot of ways.
	I mean, if you look back, you'll have to go back decades, something like Eagleton, to think about a politician who's been so absolutely, clearly disassembled by the spotlight.
	From everything from his terrible trip abroad, Where nobody wanted to meet with him in the UK, from the fact that he's unable to answer questions, unable to engage with the audience.
	And look at President Trump yesterday.
	He literally had a press conference for the people in Iowa.
	They could ask anything they wanted.
	Whereas the Florida governor is afraid to talk to anybody.
	So it's been quite disastrous for him, and I think it's going to continue that way.
	And the American people are seeing the contrast between somebody who's really just a basic, old-school, in-pocket politician, The Florida governor and President Trump, who's a historic, multi-generational figure.
	We opened the show with only one of two senators we allow on the show, the great Marsha Blackburn.
	We asked her why she voted no for the debt deal that adds four trillion dollars to our national debt.
	We haven't heard from the Trump camp, from Mar-a-Lago.
	What's the president's take or what do we think about this deal that actually gives the Democrats no limit even past the next election?
	Well, President Trump spoke about it pretty extensively yesterday in Iowa.
	I think it was pretty clear that he would have held out a bit longer, potentially, but his goal is he's going to get back in there and he's going to solve this quickly and permanently.
	That's what we need to do.
	We need the right president in office.
	We need President Trump back in controlling this runway spending, back in getting our country under control, because we are in absolute, terrible shape, and our debt is no doubt a big part of it.
	Now, we had Rich Barris, one of the few pollsters I actually believe on my Newsmax show last week, and he had some fascinating figures, Boris, on how the white suburban women are coming back in support of President Trump.
	If you were talking to those who are now considering, who maybe don't see themselves as political, but understand what's happened to America in the last two years, what would you say to that constituency in America?
	Look at the contrast.
	Compare your life, your personal life, the life of your kids, the life of your parents, The life of your significant other, your life, compare that
	to four years ago.
	Were you better off then or are you better now?
	And nobody logical is going to say that we as a country or any individual truly, because
	even if somehow you made more money, you still have to live in areas that are unsafe.
	We still have a flood of illegal immigrants into this country.
	Gas prices are up and morale is down.
	Morale is down.
	This country was strutting under President Trump, and it is not now.
	And if you look at the international situation with the terrible, festering war in Eastern Europe, the dominance of China across the world, Joe Biden has put us in a horrific position.
	One of the worst positions this country has ever been in.
	And we need to broaden our shoulders to get out of it, and that's President Donald Trump.
	Yeah.
	Perhaps it's the thing you can't measure on polls.
	It's the intangible, the ineffable.
	But that word you used, Boris, is so key.
	It's the sense of morale.
	How do you feel?
	You know, in military terms, it's the esprit de corps.
	How do Americans feel about their country?
	And they just know.
	Compare the last two years to the prior four years, and as you said, it's what Ronald Reagan asked when faced with the choice between Carter and Governor Reagan.
	Are you better off than you were four years ago or not?
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	We were about to send out a search and rescue squad.
	He'd been away for so long.
	But he's back.
	He's real.
	He exists.
	He's not an AI meme.
	He's the vice president of the Heritage Foundation.
	On deck, Jim Carrafano.
	Welcome back.
	It's been a minute.
	It was.
	I was in Europe, actually a couple of times, all over Western Europe.
	And as you can imagine, a lot of Ukraine, a lot of Russia, a lot of China.
	Yep.
	A lot of energy policy, a lot of who's going to be the next president of the United States is really, really interesting and worthwhile.
	Europe is important in the United States.
	It really is.
	It is in many ways our backyard.
	Nobody says, let's say the Chinese are at the front door, you know, I'm going to lock the front door and leave the back door wide open.
	Right.
	And you know what's interesting is, and not a lot of discussion on this, is the rise of the center right in Europe, the people that are done with woke.
	They're done with green.
	That in many ways, if you sat in there, you would feel more comfortable talking to them
	if you were from Florida or Texas than you were somebody from San Francisco.
	So the conservatives are rising?
	Well look at Spain for example, where we're going to see in all likelihood a conservative
	government for the first time in a long time.
	They're going to hit the Liberals.
	And Finland's... Italy?
	Finland, well, just go down the road.
	Finland, Norway, Czech Republic, Poland, conservative government's going to, in all likelihood, come back.
	Romania, strong.
	Italy, solid.
	Greek just returned to center-right government.
	Spain.
	Portugal just kicked Huawei out of... The Chinese telecom company?
	Out of Portugal.
	So I think Europe is, and not just like, you know, on the issues that we care about, energy, the social stuff, the woke stuff, the need for countries to stand up, rearm, defend themselves, family policy... Are they gonna have babies, Jeff?
	Well, this is the really interesting issue, which is actually going to come here, which is this notion of demographics, right?
	Are we going to grow our societies and our families and have policies that support that or not?
	This is an emerging issue in Europe.
	This is going to be the next big, big thing in the US.
	The fight now about life and abortion.
	The next big fight we're going to have is about, do we want to grow American families?
	Here's the sticking point for me on this issue.
	Europe has a big problem with this.
	They're nowhere near 2.1 replacement rate.
	Here, it's a little bit better.
	In the developed world, it's the best.
	But that's not a big deal.
	But as conservatives, and Heritage is the Conservative Mothership, are we really about to go rah-rah for government?
	promoting child policies in families, or should it be a non-government function?
	Because we're on the side of what?
	Smaller government, big citizen.
	How do we walk that line?
	Well, I think it's about what are the obstacles that we remove to family formation?
	You know, for example, in Hungary, which has been very forward-leaning on this, where if you actually look, they're actually having demographic impact.
	They are, but they're giving government intervention.
	And they're saying we're spending about 6% of GDP on this, which sounds like, whoa.
	But if you look at what we spend on social policies in the United States, on welfare, on education, you can't say, well, we shouldn't have government.
	We already have government intervention.
	We're spending way over 6% and we are delivering worse outcomes.
	So it's cheaper to have like, because in Hungary, I think if you have three kids or four kids, you don't pay any tax.
	The woman pays no taxes, right?
	So it's cheaper on the long run to have government intervention for more children because it saves us on the back end with everything else that we provide in terms of safety nets and whatever else.
	I mean, look, when we have to be honest about the data.
	Yeah.
	And what the data says very clearly is that children that are raised in a family are more productive, They are better educated.
	More successful.
	They're happier.
	Yeah.
	I mean, all this is just... We can't pretend and lie and say that that's not true.
	Human families produce better humans.
	This is... No, I mean, okay, obviously, yeah, there are orphans that grow up fine.
	We get all that, but when you look across... Intact families make a difference.
	When you look at the social science data, families are important to a healthy society and they're worth preserving.
	Now, okay, Is there a discussion to be had about what's the right balance there?
	What's the right role of government?
	Clearly, I think, taking the obstacles that government puts in the way of family formation, stopping government from promoting the destruction of families.
	That would be a good stop.
	So here's one that just came out today.
	Do you know that the U.S.
	government just has a program, we're spending $30 million to send people to Brazil to educate people on transgenderism, right?
	In Catholic Brazil.
	That's part of a multi-billion dollar program on the part of the US government to export a gender policy.
	Which, whatever you think about whatever, who cares about people, but the note is what is that promoting other than a political agenda?
	Is it creating human flourishing? Is it creating better, or is it pushing
	a political agenda which is only there for one purpose? It's not there to make the world safer for
	people who want to make different gender choices. It's there to destroy the political system and
	secure political power. And also, in most cases, piss off the host nation government in whose
	country you are.
	And you know what pro-family policies are for? To grow families.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	I never thought I'd get that answer from somebody at the Heritage Foundation.
	I'm going to have to rethink my attitude to government intervention.
	But he makes a pretty good argument.
	That's why he's the vice president.
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	yet.
	I keep hearing like October, but who knows?
	All right, so I'll mention the Praetorians article again, and then we'll talk Russia.
	Russia, Russia.
	Russia, Ukraine.
	That's the kind of we hate Ukraine things kind of petered out.
	Here or there?
	Here.
	It's Peter Ringer.
	I'd say it's petering out.
	Yeah, I mean, part of it, there's nothing to argue over because they're funding through the end of the year.
	Part of it's, were the Ukrainians supposed to give everything back?
	Part of it, none of the bio labs are not a real thing.
	the corruption is not a real thing.
	So it's kind of, what do you, and the whole pivot to Asia thing, which was,
	nobody wants, I mean, it's just an excuse to not do this.
	It has kind of gone flat a bit, I think.
	That flyby of that Chinese jet, though, that was insane.
	Well.
	How close it got.
	That's...
	That's like something out of a movie.
	That's, like...
	That's what they do.
	These things happen all the time.
	Yeah, but usually it's not across the flight path.
	Usually it's like this, right?
	Across the flight path of a much larger vehicle, that's playing with fire.
	Seen any of your movies lately?
	I was telling the guys, because I've been traveling, I've just been watching old movies on YouTube.
	On the plane?
	No, on YouTube.
	Because on the plane I've seen everything.
	Even on the plane I'm watching old movies because I've seen everything.
	Because the new ones are crap, that's why.
	And there's nothing really good out. I heard the new Indiana Jones movies are very good
	What's that?
	There's one thing that was coming out that I can't remember what it was.
	Oh God, I watched this thing, Blood and Gold.
	What's that?
	It's actually a German movie.
	And it's basically like a Quentin Tarantino wannabe.
	And it's basically a western, except in the...
	It's like Django.
	The ending days of World War II, and there's hidden gold in the church.
	and there's lots of bloodshed and everybody's shooting everybody.
	Have you seen Brass Target?
	About the death of Patton.
	That's a good one.
	Max von Sydow is the assassin.
	It's about gold.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Oh, yeah, I saw that like a long, long time ago.
	Max von Sydow is the assassin.
	Yeah, I saw it a long time ago.
	But that's about, you know, gold.
	It's about the Nazi gold.
	But, you know, I love old movies.
	I've been, this, I was saying that.
	This really cool movie is called The Guns of Battersea.
	Like Jurassic Park, Richard Attenborough.
	He plays this crusty old sergeant major.
	It's some African country that's a former British colony, and the British are military advisors, and there's a coup,
	and one of the former military officers is hiding in the British, in the NCO vest,
	and they refuse to give him up, and they're surrounded by the Japanese.
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	Here's my piece on the internal war between various factions inside the Kremlin and around the Wagner Group, especially concerning the Bach-Muth war, the Battle of Bach-Muth.
	Jim has been traveling in Europe numerous times in the last few weeks.
	What is this sentiment because, you know, Ukraine people are worrying we're gonna forget about it.
	We're not gonna support them.
	Russia will just grind them down.
	Where's the thinking right now?
	Europe's all in for Ukraine.
	And I think optimistic about Ukraine's future.
	Really?
	Look, and you know, so the summit's coming up in Vilnius, right?
	The NATO summit, right?
	And the big issues are NATO membership, EU membership, security assistance for Ukraine so it can defend itself long term, and reconstruction.
	NATO membership, not going to happen.
	There's just not consensus for that.
	Look, you can't add a country to NATO when they're actually in the middle of a war.
	EU membership, that's way off.
	What they're going to do is commit to providing security assistance long-term in Ukraine so the Ukrainians can defend their territory.
	And they're going to assist in Ukrainian reconstruction so the country is thriving and prosperous and not a basket case.
	What about the territories that are under Russian control?
	I think nobody knows the answer to that, right?
	Here's the line I've been using, which is, look, Ukraine has already won the war.
	But only Russia can decide when the war will end.
	That's good.
	Because the Russians can... Look, it doesn't matter how much... The Ukrainians could take out every inch of territory up to the border.
	The Russians can always go back into Russia.
	Yeah.
	Rearm, refuel, get some 12-year-olds and send them over to get killed again.
	Right.
	So only Putin can decide when the fighting stops.
	But the Ukrainians have already... And I think the Europeans will... The Ukrainians have already decided... And the reason why I said, look, they're going to do... We, the transatlantic community, not just the Europeans, are going to do this because it's the easy path.
	There's no consensus on NATO membership.
	There's no consensus on the EU.
	By supporting Ukraine in the fight.
	But for the very, very simple reason that Ukraine that can defend itself and prosper blocks Russian destabilizing and threatening of the Atlantic community in Western Europe.
	It blocks Chinese taking advantage of that.
	So Ukraine makes everybody's life easier.
	And in the end, it's going to be cheaper.
	Because one thing we don't talk about is especially with Finland and Sweden coming on board to NATO,
	and the Russian military threat being so diminished, when we say allies need to do more,
	you know, and we need to focus, that bar is lower because the conventional capability of
	the Russians is degraded, and now the front that they face is twice, twice as long as
	it was before.
	Let's talk about this.
	The piece before at my substack was about the significance of Finland and Sweden joining NATO.
	As kids of the Cold War, this is even hard to kind of internalize right now.
	This is a big geopolitical deal, isn't it?
	If Russia wanted to invade NATO, the frontier that they now face is twice as long.
	Thanks to them.
	Thanks to Putin.
	And the country that you've added in Finland is not a pushover.
	They have the largest artillery force in the entire... And they know how to kill Russians.
	And it's larger than ours.
	And they can defend their...
	And think about it.
	You've got Finland and Sweden.
	The whole theater of the Baltic is out of bounds for the Russians.
	They can't function there.
	And now there's a NATO wedge into the Arctic.
	So, I mean, it's strategically disastrous.
	Which is weird because...
	Putin said that he has to invade Ukraine because NATO is threatening him, but he's caused the expansion of NATO with his aggression.
	He has caused it!
	And the reality is, look, NATO doesn't really have the capacity to invade Russia, and there literally is zero interest.
	All Putin has made is it's now twice as hard for Putin to threaten Western Europe.
	And the idea of kind of reasserting your control of the post-Soviet space, that's just gone forever.
	And this is going to help us with the Battle of China.
	It's diminishing China's presence and influence in Europe, makes life easiest for us.
	It's going to allow us to focus more in the Indo-Pacific, because the Europeans are going to be able to handle a lot more of the mission there.
	We don't need American divisions.
	Actually, the force structure we have in Europe now, from the US side, is probably going to be adequate for a decade.
	So, we have to say congratulations to Vladimir Putin for the biggest growth in NATO capabilities and border length, I think, in a very, very long time.
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	All right, let's talk to Jeff for a moment.
	Jeff, we never agree on movies, right?
	I like really good movies.
	You like crappy movies.
	I like movies that could actually happen in real life.
	You like ones that can't.
	It's supposed to be fantasy, Geoff!
	That's the whole point!
	Okay?
	If I wanted to watch real life, I'd watch a documentary!
	However, I know you like organized crime movies.
	Have you seen any of the John Wick films?
	I have not.
	Oh, I thought at least... At least you'd be cool enough to say you had.
	All right, my son is a huge fan.
	I enjoy them too.
	For one reason, well, Keanu's cool, but also, if you're into guns, you gotta watch these movies.
	You gotta watch these movies.
	You gotta check out the cars he drives, the guns he drives.
	Let's put Keanu on the screen.
	The John Wick firearms collection includes a very special weapon.
	I'm into shotguns.
	I like the SPAS-12.
	I've got a couple of them.
	But I think it's been updated into something very special.
	It's called the Gen 12 and we've got a man from the company that makes them.
	Cody Cohen from Genesis!
	Welcome to America First!
	Thank you.
	What an honor.
	Thank you very much.
	Right.
	Let's put a couple of pictures up of this very unusual weapon.
	Let's put a couple of photographs of it up on the screen.
	This is the Gen 12.
	Looks like an AR-15 on steroids, but very futuristic, very cool.
	But it's got shotgun shells next to it.
	So let's show you how it works.
	This is me recently testing a version that had something in the industry we call the Giggle Switch.
	Play video.
	Jake?
	Yeah, you gotta take it down.
	Take it away.
	Yeah, that's not my trigger finger.
	That's actually a fully automatic shotgun and some crazy guy appeared a few moments later with a massive magazine.
	I think it was like a 20 round magazine and it worked.
	Let's play that.
	That's just crazy.
	I mean, shotguns usually aren't reliable anyway from a box magazine.
	What's the story of this gun, and how does it work so well, Cody?
	The Gen 12 started its entire inspiration from Eugene Stoner.
	And if anybody is familiar with Eugene Stoner, a lot of his patents are commonplace in our modern day firearms, like the AR-15, which is an Armalite 15 patent, the AR-10, And then a lesser known patent, which would have been the AR-17, which was a short recoil operated shotgun, which Eugene Stoner created.
	So Theodore, who is one of the founding members of Genesis Arms and his partner, Eric DeYoung, they came together and said, can we put together an AR-17 and an AR-10, which would be two of Eugene Stoner's patents into one system.
	And it was all inspired after finding that a shotgun shell can fit inside the magwell of an AR-10.
	So, the company had to come up with a... So, the AR-10 308762 magwell doesn't need to be enlarged to take a 12-gauge shell.
	That's the key.
	It is.
	And, in fact, we know with good authority that many companies have attempted to do this.
	But it fell short because they had to build and create their own magazine, which we have a proprietary magazine and it is the heart that drives the gun.
	So performance and cycling is driven on the upper receiver being short recoil, and then the magazine is a constant feeding solution.
	So we really have a unicorn of shotguns.
	And additionally, I don't know any other company making a fully automatic suppressed seven inch barrel magazine fed shotgun.
	And that is, it just makes a very unique shooting experience.
	Well, the heritage is incredible from, you know, the designer of the M-16, the AR-7, you name it, all the way up.
	The fact that, I don't think you did anything special.
	These weren't baby firearms in the desert in Nevada.
	I just picked it up, slammed in a magazine and it fired fully automatic.
	Tell us about the connection to Keanu and John Wick.
	So that was a long process.
	But ultimately, I was introduced to Terran at Terran Innovations.
	And then he, through him and the prop director, we were able to get our gun into the film.
	And there was a switch of hands on the prop director.
	So Rock Galati ultimately became the final hand to handle that.
	And he was a big fan of our shotgun, and definitely wanted to have it in the hands of Keanu for the John Wick 4.
	Yeah, Terran Tactical is of course the team, the individuals that helped.
	I mean, he's already a shooter, but helped him to get to that incredible level of proficiency.
	If you haven't seen videos of Keanu Reeves shoot real guns in competition, I salute you, Keanu.
	Very, very impressive.
	As I said, I'm a big fan of the SPAS-12.
	Recently I did a photo shoot with some of my collection, and I think if you're wearing a double-breasted suit, you should always have a SPAS-12.
	It just goes, you know, clothes maketh the man.
	We have that photograph.
	I do think we have that photograph.
	But that is not a tube-fed 12-gauge.
	That is not a magazine-fed 12-gauge.
	It's a tube-fed 12-gauge, like every other.
	Tell us What the purpose, apart from being a fun weapon, eventually what should be the Gen 12's future?
	So the shot shell and shotgun itself have pretty much been unchanged in its design.
	So, you know, the big name brands that produce shotguns and release new shotguns every year, it's a version of a previous generation with a tube underneath for the magazine.
	You know, Genesis Arms didn't want to do that.
	We wanted to bring the shotgun platform into the future, and we are glad to deliver that today.
	The fact that it shares the ergonomics of an AR-15 makes it easier to use.
	In law enforcement, one of the issues with shotguns is standardized training.
	Shotguns inherently are a little more complicated to operate, especially if you look at a three-gun shooter.
	You know, they're quad loading, they're constantly feeding that beast, and it is a manual of arms.
	It can be kind of cumbersome for some, especially people with smaller hands or more petite people.
	Our gun, because it's magazine fed, it's storage on your hip, you know, you can carry multiple magazines, and the reload is super efficient.
	Yeah, whatever you think of the AR-15, if you're an AK guy, it has the best ergonomics bar none.
	And this guy, it's an AR on steroids.
	I still love my SPAS-12.
	Do we have that photograph?
	Yeah, we do.
	We love it.
	We're going to talk about Terminator next!
	For the next hour, we're going to review Terminator.
	But if you want to update your game, check out the Gen 12.
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	America first.
	I had to throw that SPAS-12 shotgun reference in there because we're going to review one of the most iconic movies ever.
	It made Arnie.
	Yeah, it's the Terminator.
	The OG.
	That's next up with my buddy, Mr. Reagan.
	You don't want to miss it.
	But before that, a couple of more cuts I want to share with you.
	Jesse Waters was on fire when it comes to Joe Biden and who he's making money for now.
	Cut six.
	So what do you call it when a foreign power interferes in our election?
	Well, we used to call that election interference.
	Democrats used to be totally against it.
	They said Putin cost crooked the election.
	Well, now the Mexican president's on tape politicking against the Republican presidential candidate, urging Americans not to vote for him.
	And the media is silent.
	So what's the relationship here between Joe Biden and the Mexican president?
	Well, Joe Biden made the cartels more money than they've ever made in history, and the Mexican president, who's controlled by the cartels, interferes in our election on behalf of Biden.
	Hmm.
	And Hunter got rich in Mexico when Biden was VP.
	I think primetime deserves a Pulitzer Prize.
	You don't want a Pulitzer Prize.
	That's for lies and hacks.
	Going back to Durante in the New York Times, lying about the Holometer.
	No, Stalin isn't killing anybody!
	Everything's great in Soviet Russia!
	You don't want Jesse?
	No.
	Those things don't mean anything.
	But we know you're a good guy.
	But he's right.
	The cartels are richer than ever.
	Because the borders open.
	Thanks to Biden.
	And now the Mexican president, in a country run by the cartels, is telling Americans who to vote for.
	It's all corrupt as hell.
	Fox had a bit of a problem.
	They thought that they had found a DeSantis voter who's not going to vote for President Trump.
	They got a little surprise.
	Cut it.
	Julie, I'll start with you.
	You're a nurse, been a nurse for 20 years, and you voted for Trump twice, but now you're undecided.
	Why?
	Well, I was hopeful that we were going to have some candidates joining the race who might give a bit more of a tempered approach.
	However, DeSantis is honestly losing credibility very quickly, dropping already in the polls.
	He's not coming across authentic with people, he's unable to speak off the cuff, and he's defensive.
	You know, if there's anything for certain at this point, I know that I'm still undecided, but a Trump administration would mean secure borders, energy independence, and a strong, favorable economic policy.
	So, that's where I am.
	Wow.
	Jeff, can you imagine what was happening in the IFB of the presenter in Italy?
	What the producer was screaming, Shut her up!
	Shut her up!
	Cut it off, cut it off.
	And you know what?
	They do this all the time.
	Remember when they went to the diner?
	Yes!
	And they found, I think it was one DeSantis supporter, and there's like 15 Trump supporters.
	In Florida, too.
	Yeah, this is gonna get even better.
	Is Fox gonna exist a year from now?
	I don't know.
	Watch Newsmax!
	There's a guy on it with a funny accent every Sunday night.
	It's me.
	7pm and 10pm Eastern.
	We got a cracker of a show coming for you this Sunday.
	Next up, we're gonna have super fun with Mr. Reagan.
	you you
	all the gin joints and all the towns and all the world she walks in a mine
	of mine.
	Oh, my God.
	I'm going to kill you.
	Impressive.
	Most impressive.
	See things you people wouldn't believe.
	See things you people wouldn't believe.
	Want to talk to God?
	you Let's go see him again.
	I'm a friend of Siara Khanna.
	I was told that she's here.
	Could I see her, please?
	No.
	Can't see her.
	She's making a statement.
	Where is she?
	Look, it may take a while.
	You wanna wait?
	Don't wait, there's a bench over there.
	I'll be back.
	He promised he'd be back, and he came back.
	In a line that was originally, Schwarzenegger said, I can't say, I'll be back.
	I don't know how to say that.
	I want to say, I will be back.
	Cameron said, just say the dang lines.
	It had to happen sooner or later.
	My co-host, he gets a twofer this week and next week.
	It's T1, it's T2.
	Let's ask him why.
	He is the host of the Mr. Reagan Well, you know, this is iconic American cinema.
	to happen sooner or later. We had to have Arnie on deck.
	But tell us why you chose this double bill.
	Well, you know, this is iconic American cinema. These are, these films to some degree
	solidify what an action film would be.
	be.
	Not exclusively.
	It wasn't exclusively these films.
	And this early Terminator, the first film which we're about to watch, is maybe more of a horror film than an action film.
	Right.
	But there are a lot of action-y sequences, a lot of guns, a lot of shooting and running around and car chases and all this kind of thing.
	And, you know, it's just an iconic... It became, what, probably a multi-billion dollar enterprise, this Terminator thing.
	One of the best stories in cinema, been copied a million times now, to the point where a lot of the stuff in this first film probably seems cliché to people, but it originated a lot of these ideas.
	Yeah, this is, you know, a multi-billion dollar franchise.
	Now, on the way to work today, I was thinking, of all the roles, I mean, we've already reviewed Conan the Barbarian, I know we'll do other Arnie movies, I love Commando and all of that stuff, but this is, tell me if you think I'm wrong, if you think Arnold Schwarzenegger, the first thing that comes to mind is this movie, no?
	Oh yeah, absolutely.
	He is the Terminator.
	What's interesting is that, from what I understand, he did not think this film was going to be any good.
	No, he had real, real reservations and originally they thought that he should play Kyle Reese.
	They wanted Lance Henriksen, Lance Henriksen who must weigh like 150 pounds, to be the Terminator.
	The original script was this grey person, this person who comes from the future, this cyborg, who nobody notices, is the perfect killer.
	Well, you know, I think Arnie's 6'4", you know, 260 pounds doesn't exactly melt into the background.
	No, yeah, exactly.
	I mean, they were able to implement that concept in the second film, which we'll get to eventually.
	But yeah, and it does work.
	I mean, the actor that they hired for the second film is unbelievably creepy and terrifying.
	But in this original film, yeah, I mean, you know, to solidify this film as a success, because it was a very low budget film.
	Do you know what the original budget was?
	Not what they eventually spent.
	Do you know what the This is the first real movie that James Cameron made.
	He'd just been fired off Piranha 2.
	Piranha 2, okay?
	He was a model maker, okay?
	He was a, you know, not a B movie, a C movie model maker.
	He makes Piranha 2, gets fired off it twice.
	This is his first real movie as director.
	Chris, they gave him two and a half million dollars.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, in 1984, that was probably a little bit more than what we think of it now, but still, for a big-budget movie, or for a special effects movie, it's nothing.
	Right.
	Eventually, they spent, I think, six and a half million, and then they made... Hang on, we usually do this at the end, but we're already here.
	Let's go to the... Made 78 million on 6 Million Invested.
	Pretty good, Chris!
	Pretty good.
	Unbelievable, really.
	Mad Max, you know, the movie that we were a bit disappointed in because it doesn't really hold up, did something similar which was very impressive and obviously that's why that movie got sequels and became this big franchise as well.
	But with this film, there are things, I mean, if you watch it back, there are things that definitely do not hold up.
	Because this is a special effects movie, and it was creating some special effects that maybe didn't exist before.
	There were some things that were, I would say, inspired by other films and other projects.
	There's a moment where he rips open his own arm and he's fixing his own arm.
	That, to me, was very reminiscent of Star Wars and Luke Skywalker.
	I feel like Kyle Reese is a sort of weathered, messed up Luke Skywalker.
	I mean, his voice is very Luke Skywalker-esque.
	He seems young.
	He seems like he's got, he's very almost enthusiastic about what he has to do.
	And so I don't know if James Cameron was inspired by Star Wars or not, but I got a little bit of a hint of that.
	What doesn't stand out for you?
	I mean, yes, this is an effects-heavy movie.
	It had one of the greatest names.
	They wanted Rob Bottin originally, the creature guy from The Thing.
	He was busy.
	They brought in Stan Winston.
	His puppeteers, the design of the Terminator amazing, but I'm curious, I know what doesn't hold up for me, what doesn't hold up for you?
	Well let me just say first, you sort of briefly mentioned the design of the Terminator.
	That needs to be more than briefly mentioned.
	This is one of the most iconic designs, one of the most beautiful, amazing designs ever created in the history of cinema.
	That is just an absolutely beautiful, iconic, the metal skeleton, Just one of the most impressive things.
	I think probably one of the reasons why this movie did so well is just the design of that skeleton.
	So terrifying, so cool looking, so well crafted.
	If you look at the details, just so brilliant.
	But I will say there's two main things that don't hold up for me.
	The mask, early in the movie, well, probably in the middle of the movie, when the Terminator first gets his face messed up, and he's doing eye surgery, and you see this, you know, the glowing eye for the first time, he's looking in the mirror.
	When he's in the motel room doing surgery on himself.
	Mm-hmm, you're right.
	They used a prosthetic, like a head.
	Yes.
	Like a fake head.
	And it really looks fake.
	It really takes you out of the movie instantly.
	But it's not awful.
	You know it's not Arnold.
	And you know they worked months on it.
	But you know it's a special effect.
	Maybe in real life it looks more impressive, but when you're watching the film, you have to try hard to pretend that that's a real head.
	And then later on, in these scenes, with the stop motion, the stop motion kind of took me out of it.
	You're not used to stop motion anymore.
	Back in those days, you could... But even when I was a kid, I remember a stop motion movie I might like.
	I might like a movie that was created with stop motion, like Nightmare Before Christmas or something like that, where the whole thing's stop motion.
	Oh, Sinbad.
	I never saw that, but okay.
	But this kind of serious film where you just throw stop motion into it, it's such a jarring difference from the smooth motion that it just takes you out of it.
	For me, I'm a big fan of the master of stop motion, Ray Harryhausen.
	the guy who did the original clash of the titans all of the original stop-motion movies i love i've met him i met him before he passed at the british film institute so it doesn't doesn't really take me out of it that much it does jar we have the images of the puppets they they made a one-on-one uh puppet of the Terminator and they had a guy underneath actually moving the torso so that's a one-on-one and they made a full-size 250 pound animatronic one as well those are good so when they when they replace it with with the stop-motion yeah it's jarring for me you know what's jarring
	When the truck explodes, when the oil tanker explodes, and it suddenly goes to this model of an oil tanker with a cardboard front with no headlights, and you go, dude, dude, I can see that's a cardboard cab.
	Why are you blowing this thing up 12 times in slow motion and making it look even worse?
	But stop it!
	It's a great movie.
	We shall celebrate its greatness.
	We are Making Movies Great Again with The Terminator and my co-host.
	He's not The Terminator, but he's got a cool leather jacket.
	He's Chris Coles.
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	Are you saying it's from the future?
	One possible future.
	From your point of view, I don't know tech stuff.
	Then you're from the future too, is that right?
	Right.
	Right.
	Cyborgs don't feel pain.
	I do.
	Don't do that again.
	Listen and understand that Terminator is out there.
	It can't be bargained with.
	It can't be reasoned with.
	It doesn't feel pity or remorse or fear and it absolutely will not stop ever until you are dead.
	One of the great speeches from the Terminator.
	We are unpacking it.
	We're making movies great again.
	Chris, for all the stop motion or the wonky explosions of fake trucks, I have to say, one of the things about this movie, and Eric mentioned it, he re-watched it first before I did, and when I sat down to watch it last night, I tested it.
	This is an unrelenting movie.
	I mean, there's no padding, there's no downtime where you go, I'm gonna go and get a coffee, right?
	This is an hour 40 of pumping action, and I gotta say, Kyle Reese, you know, Michael Biehn, Linda Hamilton, they sell this.
	I mean, there's so many scenes inside the car, very tight angles where they're just talking to each other and you believe this guy's on a mission and he wants to save the world and you believe that this woman doesn't believe anything about it and she's petrified.
	Pretty good performances.
	Oh, fantastic performances and just a very Clever concept.
	Just a really good idea for a story.
	I think this is one thing that really distinguishes, like, an 80s film from a film today.
	Today we'll make a Terminator film, but it will be basking in the reflected glow of the genius of the original.
	You know, they don't really make films this brilliant anymore.
	We have to get, you know, Squid Game from Korea now, because in Hollywood they're not doing anything like this.
	But it's such a great idea.
	It's such a great concept.
	And people say, OK, well, it was stolen from the outer limits or whatever.
	This concept of two guys coming from the future to fight it out.
	That's what Harlan Ellison says.
	But Harlan Ellison was known for suing people for allegedly stealing his IP.
	So he's got a bit of a rap.
	Well, apparently Cameron did work on Outer Limits, so he was familiar with this show.
	We know that.
	And there was an episode where two people from the future come back in time, two soldiers come back in time and have to fight it out today.
	And it is kind of a similar story, although this is different enough where I wouldn't say it was a copy.
	You have lots of, you know, you could say every action film copies from every other action film in a way.
	So I don't know how much I would say it was ripped off.
	But there are little things, there are little details of the film that feel like, you know, maybe they were inspired by other things, but in general I feel like a very original concept, a really original script, and then performed, like you said, in a way that Really sells it.
	You believe what's going on, even though it's this completely crazy situation.
	And what an interesting world to think about, especially today, since we're a little bit worried about AI destroying our civilization.
	We're going to get to that.
	I want to ask you about the message about Skynet and IE.
	We'll conclude with that discussion.
	But yes, let's go to the Genesis.
	Harlan Ellison sued the makers.
	Cameron denied it from the get-go because the Genesis, according to James Cameron, was that he had been fired off Piranha 2.
	He's lying in a hotel room in Rome, and he wakes up from this fever dream, and the one thing he says, he says, nightmares are the best.
	Who cares about nice dreams?
	Nightmares are the best for good ideas.
	And he wakes up from this nightmare, and the one thing he remembers is this half a robot, this top half of a cyborg coming out of a fire.
	And I've heard this so many times, Chris, in Hollywood, that somebody gets one idea, just a visual, just a visual, And then they build the construct of a whole movie around it.
	And apparently, Terminator is based upon this one image from James Cameron's nightmare.
	Well, I think both can be true.
	It can be true that, you know, he thought, oh, this cyborg, what kind of a story can I create around this cyborg?
	And then maybe draws inspiration from here and there.
	I know that he took a lot of inspiration from the movie Halloween.
	Halloween had come out a few years before, and it was, you know, a massive hit.
	And it was this story of this unrelenting serial killer that would just try, try, try to murder you.
	No matter how many times you shot it, no matter how many times you knocked this guy down, he would get back up and he would just, he was like a juggernaut.
	He just kept walking slowly toward you until he got you and he killed you.
	And this has a very, very similar tone to Halloween.
	So it was a sort of slasher film with this sci-fi robot futuristic angle.
	And, you know, he took little bits and pieces of inspiration from here and there.
	I wouldn't say he copied directly from anything.
	And to me, this is a very original idea, original concept.
	You know, Cameron definitely needs to be respected for this as an original creator.
	But yeah, to me, this is What's lacking today.
	We just don't have the originality that we used to have back then.
	Yeah.
	Why do we have to wait for, you know, TV shows from Korea to bring us the new thing?
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	The 12-gauge autoloader.
	That's Italian.
	You can go pump or auto.
	The .45 long slide with laser sighting.
	These are brand new.
	We just got them in.
	That's a good gun.
	Just touch the trigger, the beam comes on, and you put the red dot where you want the bullet to go.
	You can't miss.
	Anything else?
	Phased plasma rifle in a 40-watt range.
	Hey, just what you see, pal.
	The Uzi 9mm?
	You know your weapons, buddy.
	Any one of these is ideal for home defense.
	So, uh, which will it be?
	All.
	I may close early today.
	Alright, we'll talk about those guns a little bit later.
	Some of my favorites as a child, as a teenager.
	That line, Aussie 9mm was iconic.
	One of the most famous scenes from the movie, The Terminator.
	Chris, let's talk about the acting for a little bit.
	Let's talk about Arnie.
	He has One of the reasons he wasn't sure about this role is a it's the first villain he played on a big, big movie.
	And number two, he had less than 100 words in the whole movie less than 100 words, but he nails it.
	I mean, iconic, truly iconic.
	Well, you know, the words that he does say mean a lot.
	And the fact that he's got this sort of robotic delivery, like everything that he says, It simply means what it means.
	Everything's very literal.
	Everything's very simple.
	The concept of... And this is why the I'll Be Back scene is so iconic.
	I don't think people really, today, even really know why I'll Be Back is so famous.
	It's not because of the line, I'll Be Back.
	It's because it's this very simple line, I'll Be Back, like I'm gonna go to the store and buy milk and I'll be back, or whatever.
	But instead of, I'm gonna go to the store and buy milk, What he really means is, I'm going to get in the car, and I'm going to destroy the entrance to your police station.
	I'll be back.
	And so that surprise of that moment, which by the way, I think the headlights come on here, and this guy sees the headlights, and that's why he looks up, and then there's no headlights on in the car, which I just noticed.
	When you were playing it back, I'd never noticed that before.
	Oh my gosh, you're right!
	He looks up, the headlights, there are no headlights, and then this obvious dummy gets crashed against the wall.
	But it's, you know, but it's really, this was sort of the beginning of the one-liners with this movie.
	And I think there's a missed opportunity there in that scene with all the guns, which is a brilliant scene.
	I mean, the concept of, let me look at all these guns, and then he's got all the guns, just shoots the guy, right?
	Because he's a robot.
	Everything's efficient.
	He doesn't have money.
	He's not going to pay for it.
	Everything's efficient.
	That's one of the things that makes him so unbelievably terrifying.
	You don't even need really the Reese speech, even though the Reese speech is excellent and I wouldn't do without it in this film.
	You sort of need that to solidify the minds of people exactly what the Terminator is.
	Everything that Reese is saying is backed up by what you see on the screen, this relentless push forward, no sympathy, he doesn't feel, he just kills.
	You see that every second on screen, every second Schwarzenegger's on screen.
	But in that moment, he just, you know, the guy says he can't do that, and he goes, wrong, and shoots him.
	That could have been another one-liner iconic moment.
	I think wrong may have been the wrong line for that moment.
	But other than that, that scene is perfect.
	We could have had another one-liner in there, though, I think, maybe.
	Yeah he look he sells it if you look at the police uh the the siege at the police station apparently he trained for months in weapons handling especially to fire ambidextrous you see him walk down the corridor and he's firing the assault rifle fully automatic in his right hand he's got the You know, 10 pounds Spaz 12 in his left hand, and he's firing all of them simultaneously as he's walking.
	And it's not a stilted roboticism.
	It's, as you said, a very functional, clean, tight roboticism.
	Whether he's talking or whether he's moving to kill other people, he really, really sells it.
	Let's just note here that before Arnold came on the scene, who they really didn't want.
	They wanted the gray man originally.
	Who did they want?
	They really wanted Lance Henriksen, who had worked with James Cameron.
	He plays one of the cynical detectives who gets killed in the police station.
	He'll come back in, you know, aliens and so forth.
	But they also were in talks with Harrison Ford, who said no.
	Mel Gibson, Stallone, and the one that they were really interested in was O.J.
	Simpson as the Terminator.
	Okay?
	Yeah.
	O.J.
	Simpson.
	I'll just leave that out there.
	We are talking making movies great again with our buddy Chris Coles.
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	Reese.
	Why me?
	Why does it want me?
	There was a nuclear war.
	Thank you.
	A few years from now.
	All this.
	This whole place.
	Everything.
	It's gone.
	Just gone.
	There were survivors.
	Here.
	There.
	Nobody even knew who started it.
	It was the machine, Sarah.
	I don't even- It was the machine, Sarah!
	Another monologue from inside the car as they're trying to evade the Terminator and the police.
	That's Kyle Reese and that's Sarah Connor.
	Gotta go there.
	It's the machines.
	Where do you stand?
	I'm not convinced yet.
	I think there's a lot of exaggeration about AI is just around the corner.
	Although if Elon Musk Is worried.
	I guess we should pay attention.
	It has become a theme, a meme, a trope for so many other movies.
	Where does Mr. Reagan stand on the danger of a real Skynet?
	Well, you know, there was an author, uh, I forget his name, a really famous science fiction author.
	He came up with the concept of like the cybernetic brain and everything like that.
	I know who you mean.
	I think it was Gib Gibson or something like the cyber noir.
	I know who you mean.
	I don't, I don't remember what his name is.
	I have to look it up.
	But the, uh, this guy was asked, you know, why do you always write your androids to be, um, To be docile and kind and good.
	You never write them to be vicious, like the Terminator.
	And he says, well, it doesn't make any sense that they would be evil because they will always be programmed by a human.
	Right.
	And a human will always program them with these certain safety protocols.
	They will never be able to break their programming.
	That will never happen.
	Here's the problem.
	Here's why I think Elon Musk is concerned.
	His roommate, Is the guy that, many years ago, I think it was his roommate or at least a good friend of his, is the guy that started ChatGPT and that whole AI thing, OpenAI we call it, OpenAI.
	Yeah.
	And Elon Musk invested a lot of money in this and he had a conversation with this guy once and the guy said that he basically hated humanity and wanted to see humanity destroyed.
	He actually didn't care.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	The flatmate?
	The roommate?
	I believe this is what I read.
	Wow.
	This is the guy who started OpenAI.
	He doesn't care if humanity is killed off.
	He doesn't care if the AI takes over.
	He would think that this is a great advancement.
	It seems like he's bought into all this environmentalist idea that the deer and the birds and the flowers are more important.
	Yeah, we are the virus, right, Chris?
	We are the virus, exactly.
	So, AI Could potentially be programmed, initially, without any of those safeguards.
	In fact, with the very opposite.
	With the idea that, like you said, humans are the virus.
	And if AI is programmed with that, and does become powerful enough, yeah, we are in trouble.
	So it's not really the AI that we have to worry about, it's the people programming the AI that we have to worry about.
	And this future is possible with that in mind.
	All right, well I know somebody who might write a script about that, about the evil big tech people who think we are the virus.
	I think you know who he is.
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	We've talked about who could be the Terminator.
	Just for the record, Chris, I want to talk about the other individuals who are considered to play Sergeant Kyle Reese.
	So, Kurt Russell.
	Okay, I get it.
	You know, a good version of Snake Plissken.
	I get it.
	Bruce Willis.
	Yeah, okay.
	Don't get this one.
	Christopher Reeve.
	No, I'm not sure about Christopher Reeve.
	And then probably the worst choice, they considered Sting, okay?
	We reviewed Dune.
	I'm not sure he had the acting chops in Dune.
	I'm not sure he ever had them stick to the guitar.
	But how about this one?
	One of my favorite actors in Hollywood, a former Marine, didn't get enough recognition as far as I'm concerned at the height of his career, Scott Glenn.
	Scott Glenn.
	As Kyle Reese, that would also have been interesting.
	Yeah, I actually, I'm thinking of Kurt Russell, and you know, one thing, Kurt Russell is just so charismatic.
	He's just, you know, he's an eminently watchable guy.
	And a conservative.
	Don't tell anybody, he's also a conservative.
	Or at least libertarian, something along those lines.
	Kyle Reese, the way it's played in this film, he's He's actually probably the least watchable character of the three, of the three main characters.
	You got the Terminator with Schwarzenegger, you got Linda Hamilton, right, which is it's really Linda Hamilton's story, really.
	Yes.
	Sarah Connor.
	And so it may be best that Kyle Reese is not the most charming person on screen that you want to watch all the time, because he does die at the end.
	He can't come back for the later films.
	I mean, I suppose it's Hollywood, anything's possible.
	But yeah, it's probably good that he takes a backseat to the other characters, plays it sort of in an understated, you know, Messed up Luke Skywalker type way.
	But yeah, it would have been it would have been a different film.
	It would have been interesting to see somebody like Kurt Russell in there or Bruce Willis or somebody like that, which is more somebody that's much more watchable, somebody that takes up a lot more space in your mind whilst you're watching the show.
	But no, I think the way it was done, Michael Biehn did I think a absolutely perfect job with the character that he was supposed to play.
	It is sad at the end when he essentially sacrifices himself.
	Yeah, but it's a profound moment and I think it makes the character a legend in a way.
	People remember this movie and they remember him.
	as this legendary character so I think it really works at least for this film
	but it's a shame you couldn't come back for the later ones.
	Yeah I um I take your point I take your point it's really not his story
	and the way he plays it as this naive guy who's never had a girlfriend come
	back from the future fell in love with a photograph of the you know the freedom
	fighter's mother yeah it's it's it's it's not his story it's Linda's story and of course the antagonist.
	Also, let's get a recognition for Paul Wingfield, a man who has been a supporting actor in so many classic 80s movies, and the late, great Bill Paxton, the Mohican punk from the beginning.
	Who we'll see in so many... I think we're going to have to review Twister.
	I love Twister.
	But of course a man who was a key individual from the Cameron movie, Aliens.
	We're talking making movies great again.
	Chris's choice is the Terminator.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	I'm coming to you from the reliefactor.com studios.
	All right, Chris, we may have an argument here.
	What is the most iconic line from the Terminator movie?
	Is it the, I'll be back?
	Or could it be Kyle Reese?
	Come with me if you want to live.
	Come with me if you want to live.
	That's a pretty good script line, isn't it, Chris?
	Well, obviously, I'll be back is the more iconic line, but... But I will say, come with me if you want to live.
	I feel a little bad for Michael Biehn because...
	That line was sort of stolen by Arnie in Terminator 2.
	They gave it to him to repeat as a callback to the first movie.
	He steps out of this elevator.
	Linda Hamilton is trying to escape from this asylum.
	Slides underneath him, trying to stop herself from running into the Terminator.
	Terrified she's seeing the Terminator.
	And he turns to her and he says, come with me if you want to live.
	And it took on a whole new life with Schwarzenegger taking it.
	Are you giving away spoilers to our next Making Movies Great Again Chris Coles?
	I might be, I might be, yeah.
	But the problem is that that line is no longer iconic from Terminator 1, even though originally it was, you know.
	No, and it's kind of lost in all the malaise of that shootout in the disco.
	You know, it's not delivered in a moment that is so iconic as that, you know, in the asylum when Arnie does it.
	I think you're right.
	I think you're right.
	All right, last few thoughts on the original Terminator.
	Gotta give it the car chases.
	Absolutely.
	Some of the best filmed car chases, the way they are filmed from other vehicles, it's real guerrilla filming.
	In fact, this was all filmed at night to save money.
	A lot of this was guerrilla filming with no permits, okay?
	The last scene in Mexico, she's driving away from the gas station.
	They were actually stopped by the police and they lied and they said, this is a student video, we don't have any permits and they were let off.
	But some of this stuff is just It's really top-notch.
	The scene through the tunnel, this one, you read my mind exactly, Eric.
	It's just, it's on a budget.
	This is amazing stuff, Chris.
	I didn't realize this is the same tunnel again.
	Yes!
	Yes!
	Third time!
	Third time!
	This is the tunnel right next to where I live.
	I drive through this all the time.
	Well, uh, yeah, look, this is, considering the budget, this is a phenomenally well-made film.
	It's a story that is a great story, and it's a difficult story to shoot, I would say, with all the action sequences and the sci-fi elements and special effects and everything like that.
	And for the difficulty, level of difficulty, the budget they've done, it's actually amazing that they were able to tell a cohesive story.
	And it's not just a cohesive story.
	It's a very, very consistently well-told story from the beginning to the end.
	Now, with every monster movie, One of the big things about a monster movie, especially something like Jaws, or something like this, where you don't see the monster early on.
	I mean, you see Terminator, you see Schwarzenegger, you see that... Schwarzenegger's got a great face, really.
	And so you've got this iconic look with the sunglasses and the leather jacket and the motorcycle and the shotgun and all this kind of stuff, but... Even if the tie-dye t-shirt is a little gay.
	I never thought about that.
	It's such a dark movie, I never thought about that.
	But yeah, you're probably right.
	But then there's the moment where he's burned, and you think that they've won.
	You think that they've won.
	But out of the ashes rises the skeletal form of the Terminator, and you realize Holy smokes, this thing is terrifying.
	And you don't even know- Oh, and by the way, don't forget your thought.
	The production company wanted to cut, they wanted to end the movie when the truck exploded and pitch all of this.
	The factory, all of it, Chris.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	No, no, no, no, no, no.
	You know, I'll tell you what, when you finally see Jaws in Jaws, It's terrifying because Jaws is actually scarier than what you imagine.
	And this is a very hard thing to do, because the imagination is a very powerful thing.
	And so if you can make the audience imagine a creature or a villain that is utterly terrifying, and then you don't deliver on that, you show them something that's not quite as iconic or as terrifying as what they're imagining, then you've got a disappointing movie.
	This does just the opposite.
	You don't really know what the Terminator looks like inside.
	You know a little bit because you've seen, you know, its arm.
	You've seen the eye.
	You get these little hints.
	But then when you see the full skeleton, it's absolutely terrifying, beautifully constructed, and it totally delivers beyond anything that you expect.
	And really, really brilliant filmmaking.
	Again, like I said, from beginning to end, not every special effect holds up.
	Special effect holds up, but It is a brilliantly told story.
	Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
	All right, final thoughts here.
	First, we're going to geek out on the guns, as I usually do.
	Let's talk about some of these iconic weapons.
	Of course, the Uzi, the 9mm, is legendary.
	But we have to talk about the laser-aimed .45, the main weapon he uses to assassinate All the Sarah O'Connors.
	It's actually an AMT Hardballer Longslide 45 that Surefire Laser Company was told to custom fit.
	That's a real laser, okay, that's on top of the 45.
	However, a little bit of cinematographic cheating.
	Show the next photograph of the 45.
	It's not self-powered because it was such a powerful laser.
	No, no, no.
	That's... Hang on.
	This is interesting.
	This is the original drawing by James Cameron of the Terminator played by Lance Henriksen.
	Before Arnie came on board, Cameron drew this to sell the picture that's Lance Henriksen as the Terminator, but show the next photograph.
	The kit had to be, it was such a powerful laser, they had to have a cable going down the arm of Arnie's jacket, down his back to the batteries, and with his left hand Whenever he pulled the gun out he had to switch on the laser.
	There's a little bit of movie magic going on there.
	So that is the .45 long slide with laser.
	But the most iconic gun in the movie that would turn up again and again and again in movies like Jurassic Park Well, I have one of them.
	It is the iconic Franchi SPAS-12 combat shotgun.
	If you remember the hunter from the first Jurassic Park who says, clever girl.
	Yes, there he is.
	Bob Peck.
	Amazing.
	This is an iconic piece of firearms history.
	Sadly, not made anymore.
	But if you can find one, they're rather pricey nowadays.
	I bought my first one back in the 1990s.
	Before they became super cool.
	So that's a little bit of gun geekery for you.
	The Spaz 12 and the AMT long slide.
	All right, last thing we have to do, because we don't get to choose a movie, because you've already chose your double bill.
	We're going to do Terminator 2 next week.
	Do you want to rate it before we choose one?
	I am, I am.
	We're going to have to rate it.
	So, you know, guys, T2 next week.
	They upped the ante.
	They got a lot more money.
	It's good.
	Is it better?
	There's only one way to find out.
	We're going to compare the ratings.
	How many SPAS-12 shotguns do you give the original Terminator?
	I gotta say, the butt of that gun, I think that's why it's so iconic.
	Oh, totally.
	I think I've seen, I'm surprised you don't have the laser You know, they don't make that laser anymore, and it was a one-off.
	They took it off a revolver.
	But today, as I was preparing for the show, I thought, I need me one of those.
	I need me one of those.
	I can imagine you thought that.
	I've seen the mighty Sebastian Gorka's impressive gun collection, let me tell you.
	There might be a hole.
	There might be an AMT longslide hardballer hole in my collection for this SPAS-12 stock.
	Let's put it back on the screen, the full size.
	I think you have every other gun on the planet, so... The reason that stock is so funky, that hook on the end, was designed for the Italian prison service to be able to use the weapon single-handed.
	The hook turns to the right and acts as a like kind of cup under your forearm that allows you to fire this beast single-handed.
	Arnold didn't need that because he's Arnold, but that's why it looks so cool.
	Alright, so that's the Spaz 12.
	It's iconic.
	How many Spaz 12s out of 10 do you give the Terminator, Chris?
	Okay, well, I always rate this in how likely it is that people are going to enjoy it now, even if they haven't seen it or they don't know anything about it from the 80s.
	I gotta say probably a 7.
	Because of the, because, and it suffers from a lot of the things that some of the other more iconic films do, which is that it made things, it established things that have now become cliché.
	It becomes copied so much, they become cliché.
	So people will see it now, and it takes a little bit of thinking to appreciate this film, because you've got to remember that not a lot of these things existed before Terminator, the original Terminator film.
	Cameron invented a lot of this stuff, so we see it now, we think it's cliche.
	Well, not back then.
	This was mind-blowing for the people at the time.
	For people now, probably something like a... maybe even a six, but I'll give it a seven.
	You better give it a seven!
	Your producer loved it, and he had never seen it, so I'm gonna give it... Eric, did you love it?
	Oh, I love this movie, and I've seen it many times before, Mr. Reagan.
	Oh, you have seen it?
	Okay, okay.
	I personally would give this a nine, if I had to give it a rating.
	Oh, you would give it a nine?
	Don't steal!
	Don't steal my thunder.
	People who work for me should not steal my thunder, Eric.
	Because he rates it, Mr. Rate, we have different rating systems.
	He rates it for what an audience today would think of it.
	He's giving it a seven.
	No comment.
	I rate it in the panoply of all movies.
	You know what?
	It's a classic.
	A true classic.
	I'm gonna give it... I'm gonna give it a nine, Chris.
	I appreciate that.
	I appreciate that.
	On a personal level, I appreciate it.
	Good, good.
	Great choice, great choice.
	Question is, T2 is a great movie with Patrick playing the liquid T2.
	Is it better than the OG?
	Well, you'll just have to tune in next week.
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	I just switch on YouTube and he's dropping another flipping video.
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