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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Comey's back and says Trump is the #1 threat
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It should be slow for news on these three-day weekends.
Not this time.
The debt ceiling negotiations continue.
22 holdouts amongst the Patriots on Capitol Hill.
Jim Comey, who's been so silent for such a long time, has finally arrayed his ugly head.
We'll be sharing with you what he had to say.
Target.
Yes, Target has lost $10 billion in the last 10 days thanks to their transgender children's bathing suits.
Ken Paxton is under assault in Texas.
Joe Biden has given a statement on whether or not he would pardon his predecessor, President Trump.
Jane Fonda, Hanoi Jane, is back.
And Moscow has issued an arrest warrant for Lindsey Graham.
But that is all pitch.
It is all irrelevance.
considering who our first guest is today.
No monologue today, dear friends, because we are honored to have with me the man who I emulate, try to emulate every single day on my humble radio show, my Salem colleague and friend, my rabbi.
Yes, I'm a Catholic.
It's okay.
Dennis Prager.
Welcome to America First.
Aside from just loving being with you, the joy of going on your show is your introductions.
I only regret my parents were not alive to hear them.
Well, I'm sure they're listening.
My mother thought I'd end up in prison, so... For what, may I ask?
Oh, I'm glad you asked.
This will crack you up.
Because I did no homework in high school.
That was enough to relegate me a criminal.
Was that a prisonable offense in the Prager household?
Yes, yes, exactly correct.
Alright, well first things first, let's keep it in the family.
I want to say hello to the newest member of the Prager family.
I do believe he goes by the nom de plume of Mr. T. Mr. T, we salute you and we welcome you.
No, Mr. Tubbs!
Mr. Tubbs!
Mr. Tubbs!
Yes, D-U-B-Z, yes.
I love it!
Yeah, thank you.
I love it too.
Actually, it was not our name.
The breeder that we got him from in Pennsylvania, he was the son of Mr. Chubbs, so they named him Mr. Tubbs, and we loved the name.
And does he have a similar character to the late great Otto?
Well, he's still a puppy.
I can only say that it does seem to run in the English Bulldog family a temperament that is so serene that it is instant love with this breed.
And what about his reaction to your cigars, may I ask?
So far, so good.
I have to say, he does appear in my fireside chats where Otto was.
We never thought of naming him Otto II or Otto Jr.
Otto will remain, and this is the truth, etched in our memory.
We miss Otto, but Mr. Tubbs, a handsome fellow.
All right, let's get down to business.
It is finally out.
Wait, wait, wait, one second.
Yes.
There are no handsome English bulldogs.
The word handsome does not apply.
Let's put him up again.
Let's put his picture up again.
There's something attitudinal.
That face is like... Oh, that's lovable.
Lovable, I agree.
Handsome is the problem.
No, no.
He's like Mr. T, the original Mr. T. He's got attitude.
He's definitely got attitude.
Let's get down to business.
It has finally been revealed.
The scales have fallen from our eyes.
We now know that Dennis Prager is a white supremacist.
He's a neo-nazi.
Thanks to the DHS-funded, taxpayer-funded pyramid of conservative radicalization, he's even above the National Rifle Association.
He's even above the Christian Broadcast Network.
There he is.
Prager University, Turning Point USA, Breitbart.
Unbelievable that this was funded by us, the US taxpayer.
Your reaction to this pyramid of radicalization, Dennis?
So, people should understand that I don't take it at all personally.
I think I have a good analogy, just your question has provoked this.
I didn't say it even on my own show.
So, many of your listeners will not know, but in the Middle Ages, there was something called the blood libel.
And it was made up by Jew haters, who said that Jews, right before Passover, would slaughter Christian children to use their blood to bake matzah.
So, the lie was so enormous, that Jews never thought, oh, we're insulted.
They were afraid, correctly, they'd be killed, and in fact, all the Jews of England were
expelled based on that charge.
It was a horrible thing.
But it's very interesting.
A very famous Jewish thinker of the late 19th century said, this actually had a somewhat
positive impact on Jews.
Because when you're hated and you're called all sorts of things, you start to wonder, is there any truth to that?
Because if people say, men give birth enough, people start believing men give birth.
So, he said, no Jew believed, every Jew knew what a grotesque lie it was that Jews did that, and so it actually liberated Jews from taking any of the stereotypes seriously.
So, this is grotesque.
And for me, a Jew, to say this, because the blood libel has almost a religious status, so to speak, in Jewish history, but this is a modern-day equivalent of the blood libel, that PragerU or any of the other organizations prepare people to be Nazis.
I mean, I've spent my life, I wrote a book on anti-Semitism.
Obviously a chapter of which is about Nazi anti-semitism.
I just wrote a column about six months ago on how evil it is to deny the Holocaust.
To think that I would be a head of an organization that prepares people for Nazis.
Do you know that this week's, you'll love this Seb, this week's PragerU video, we put out one a week, I mean we put out many for kids but so on, but one major video every week, The one this week is on Millard Fillmore, and I looked at Alan Estrin, and I said, how are they going to exactly show how our video on Millard Fillmore leads people to Nazism?
It's so vile.
And to think that there was government involvement.
This should scare everybody.
I'm laughing because the only alternative is to cry and I prefer to laugh.
But this is very scary, Aseb.
I'm glad you maintained your sense of humor.
I want to put a photograph up on the screen of this person who is at the University of Cincinnati.
His name is Michael Lodenthal.
He's the person who was paid to put that threat assessment together.
I do believe he's still teaching and a researcher there at the University of Cincinnati.
Dennis, what is your message?
We've got 60 seconds left.
What is your message to that young man?
So he proves something I have been talking about a lot on my show and writing about, how weak the human conscience is when there is no God above to whom one feels responsible.
He sleeps well knowing that all he does in life is lie.
He smears those with whom he differs.
That's it.
That is his entire purpose on Earth.
To smear.
And look, I believe a good God will judge him, so I am at peace with that fact.
But again, he is a living proof of the weakness of the human conscience.
Thank you, Dennis, for joining us today.
We give our best to you, your muse, to Mr. Tubbs.
Please support the organization that is doing more to save America than most.
It's PragerU.com.
But I will share the sad news with you that Dennis has given up cigars this year.
If you want to give him any, I will take them in his stead.
In the meantime, follow him at Dennis Prager.
Sorry, I'm only joking.
I'm only joking.
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You That was funny that was I
I took you seriously for a moment there.
there was like okay titles Prager and short
Prager Unlocked.
Prager.
30th.
My reaction, um, the latest blood libel from the left.
Then for Sean, yup.
I'd like, can you, can you, can you post a segment C separately?
Um, Kevin McCarthy's debt ceiling deal, quote, polishing a turd.
McCarthy's debt ceiling deal, polishing a turd.
That's just C, and then you want the other four segments?
Just C, and then the whole of it.
What's the most important thing?
The transgender and some stuff, probably.
That's the stuff he's best on.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Something like, how did we get here?
Just that very simple question.
Um, the tra- the transgender, uh... Madness?
The tra- the transgender war, colon, how did we get here?
That's good.
Yep.
Want the mics on for more?
more. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Mr. Tubbs, that's so perfect.
Bye.
Okay... Angel Tree?
Mm-hmm.
Is he phone or Skype?
Says he's not answering.
Of course.
Angel tree here.
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He's back!
The disgraced former director of the FBI talking to Willie Geist.
Let's listen to what the man who should have been fired long ago had to say for himself after being quiet for so long.
Cut 14, James Cone.
If Donald Trump were re-elected as someone who worked for and alongside the man, what is your sense of the potential danger of his being in the White House?
Again, if you see it as a danger.
I think he poses a near existential threat to the rule of law.
He will do everything he can in a new term to try to tear down the institutions that he sees as threats and dismantle them and the people who occupy them, the apolitical people who occupy them.
So there is a lot on the ballot in 2024 if he's a candidate, but the rule of law, in my view, is at the very top of the list.
It's weird, but play it as a B-roll in a little box and then pause it when it shows Comey.
Jeff, did you notice a couple of weird things about Comey?
I mean, number one, it looks like he's had some work done.
His eyes look a little weird.
And why is this guy, you can start playing it, why is this guy Casually dressed.
He's like in a sweater and some kind of casual jacket.
What's going on there, Jeff?
I think it's his new look.
He's a novelist now, he says.
He wrote a novel.
Oh, and so if you put on a black sweater, that makes you a novelist?
Yeah, it makes you look cool, like he's a Hollywood writer, I think he wants to be.
And is there something weird about his face?
What, that he's had work done?
Yeah.
Yeah, definitely.
It looks fake.
He had plastic surgery.
Okay, it's not just me.
Alright, so the existential threat to America is Donald Trump because he wants to get rid of the politically unbiased individuals.
You mean the type like Andy McCabe?
Who had the affair with the married FBI woman?
Was that McCabe or Stroke?
It was Peter Stroke.
Lisa Page.
Yeah, Lisa Page.
And then he says, I went into a Walmart on his FBI phone and he texts her, and I could smell the Trump voters.
That's the unbiased kind of people we're talking about, right Eric?
The one who says I can smell the Trump voters at Walmart.
Exemplars of federal law enforcement, clearly.
Exemplars, exemplars of the FBI.
He goes on to say the following, this is Jim Comey again.
Cut 13.
What is your sense of it, as you talk to your former colleagues there in the Bureau, as to the impact on morale, recruitment, or just their ability to get the job done?
It's a hard time, because a lot of people have internalized the lies they've been told.
After the search of Mar-a-Lago, there were days of lies about the FBI acting as some sort of thug army.
And that hurts, because the FBI needs to knock on doors and get people's help.
It needs to be able to stand up in a courtroom and say, I saw this thing, and not be seen as a political actor.
They are not political actors, but the lies have an impact.
Hey Seth!
what they did at Mar-a-Lago. They knocked on the door and said, hey, can we get some help, right?
They didn't go in there with loaded guns, keep the president and his attorneys out of the building as
they as they went through Melania's wardrobe, right? That guy should be in prison. He should be
in prison, along with the rest who corrupted the FBI. Let's go to your calls. Green Bay, line one,
Brian. Hey, Seth. Hey. Hey, I wanted to talk to you about this Target debacle.
Go ahead.
What we're doing here in Wisconsin, I partnered up with ex-governor Scott Walker, which I'm going to give you a couple of websites before we get off here, but we're going to churches all through major metropolitan Milwaukee, Green Bay, Madison, and We're getting the people involved in it to say, no, we're not going to take this.
When they start messing with children, that's the red line they've crossed.
Good.
Stay on the line.
I want to hear more.
Give those website URLs to Jeff Brine.
I want to check them out.
But we need to do something.
$10 billion in 10 days is a good start.
Let's go to New York.
Jacqueline, line three.
Jacqueline, are you there?
I'm here, Dr. Gorka.
Good afternoon.
Greetings.
You stated so accurately that the Congress needs to stand from their ground, and I am in full agreement with that.
They can no longer acquiesce and just give the powers that be blank checks to do with what they want.
They need to have our demands met.
The conservative people, the citizens of the United States.
And as far as Eric Adams is concerned, a leopard does not ever change its spots.
Meaning his recent talk about how the illegal immigrants coming into New York is a bad thing, you think he's putting on a show, Jacqueline?
Of course, that's what he does best.
He puts on his fine clothing and he puts on a show.
He's a master performer.
You know, I like to, you know, be presentable.
You know me, I may be doing radio, but I wear a suit and tie every day.
But that guy, there's a word in Hungarian for him, and it's piperköts.
Just trying a little bit too hard to look good.
And I think it makes up for the lack of substance or the lack of character.
And that man is now complaining.
I thought New York was a sanctuary city.
Oh dear, oh dear.
We don't bite.
Thank you, Jacqueline.
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You know, unfortunately, I don't think it's doing much for the American people.
You know, the way that it's being chalked up is that it's, quote unquote, historical savings for the American people.
But when you actually look at the context of the bill, it's really going to put us towards $4 trillion more in debt.
And that's not what we initially had agreed upon, nor initially expected really coming out of the Speaker.
So I will not be voting for that.
I think that it's only going to contribute to some of the problems that we have in this country.
And I just want to remind people, remember how the GOP was signaling that we were going to defund those 87,000 IRS agents?
Well, in this deal, that's not the case.
That's Anna Paulina Luna, new Congresswoman from Florida.
On Newsmax, Matt Gaetz was hosting, saying, I'm not going to support this.
Another $4 trillion, and then we still have 87,000 agents for the IRS so the Democrats can target conservatives.
It's 22 holdouts at the moment.
It's in committee on Capitol Hill.
Is it going to go through?
Is that a bad thing?
Let's ask the man who knows, who wrote the book, Trumponomics, Heritage Foundation, and so much else.
Steve Moore, welcome back to America First.
Hi, Sebastian.
All right.
So right now, let's start with the first thing.
What is your sense?
Is it going to squeak through or not?
What are you hearing?
Boy, it's a tough call.
I mean, you're seeing more and more conservatives that are really turning against this, Sebastian, just like the Congress lady from Florida that you just showed that clip of.
There's a lot not to like in this package, for sure.
And I'm really upset about the fact that they really didn't cut back on the 87,000 IRS agents.
I saw someone saying this morning that instead of 87,000 agents, they're only have 84,000 more agents.
Gee whiz, that's a relief.
I can sleep well at night not worrying about the IRS knocking on my door in the middle of the night.
Look, I think Kevin McCarthy, let's remember the Republicans only have one half of one third of the government right now in terms of a very slim majority in the House of Representatives.
I think Kevin McCarthy negotiated a deal probably about as well as he could have.
But I know a lot of people would disagree with that.
And so, you know, my bottom line is, look, if you're frustrated about this out of control government.
If you think it spends too much, borrows too much, wields too much power, as you do and I do and most of the people listening to your show do, then we got to get rid of this president.
It's that simple.
I mean, he is the president.
He has a veto power.
And so the real issue is going to be, what do we do in 2024 to bring Ron DeSantis or a Donald Trump that could end this incredible spending spree?
What about the backstory here, because we've been told by the Democrats that it's gotta go through, it's gotta go through, otherwise America collapses, you know, we're going to default.
I've heard this is just something made up by Janet Yellen.
What's the truth here, Stephen?
Well, it's mostly made up by Janet Yellen, you're right.
And it's been incredibly irresponsible for the President and the Treasury Secretary to run, not just around the country, but around the world, Telling people that we're going to default on our debt.
I think I said this a month ago on your show, Sebastian, so I'll say it loud and clear again.
There is no default on the debt.
That's never going to happen.
By the way, it's unconstitutional.
You've heard a lot of talk lately, Sebastian, about the 14th Amendment.
Talk about a perversion of what that amendment says.
It says that the full faith and credit of the United States government stands behind the debt and the debt must not be repudiated.
That's right.
It cannot be repudiated.
That means the government has to pay the debt.
So how does the president come away thinking, oh, I have the unilateral power to issue new debt?
Those are two entirely different things.
So no default.
If we don't pass this budget, it's going to mean we're going to probably have to shut down a few agencies of government.
You know, Sebastian, it might mean we might have to shut down the Department of Education and the Department of Energy.
Would you lose sleep over that?
I wouldn't lose sleep if the government in totality shut down for a few months.
As a former civil servant, I wouldn't.
If you were, you know, part of the negotiating team, if you were the head of the negotiating team, what would you have done differently?
A couple things.
And by the way, I'm a fan of what Kevin McCarthy has done here.
Again, let's remember, he only has 222 out of 435.
three or four Republican votes.
And remember also to give the, you know, the leadership their due, you know, it was six
weeks ago, four weeks ago that Joe Biden says, I'm never going to negotiate on the debt ceiling.
And he has negotiated.
Now we can argue about whether it's a good deal or not, but I think it's going to be
And what I think ought to happen, I think one of the mistakes McCarthy did make is he should have made it very clear from the very beginning of these negotiations.
It's on you, Mr. President.
You're the one who spent six trillion dollars and borrowed six trillion dollars in two years, the most financially responsible president in history.
So why should Republicans be in charge of raising the debt?
for your spending. We didn't vote for any of this.
Republicans didn't vote. Well, you know, with a few exceptions, Republicans voted no, no, no, and
all these trillions of dollars of spending.
So I think it's important that Democrats now walk the plank and they have to be the ones
to raise the debt ceiling with a handful of Republicans, not the other way around.
Bingo.
Bingo.
Well, we shall see.
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Tad off for that one.
America can never default.
Can never constitutionally default.
They're just a bunch of liars.
I wonder what it would have looked like if we had defaulted.
Nothing, we're still the world's, you know.
Like the economy wouldn't crash.
The dollar's the dollar.
Ph.D.
Thank you.
If it's true that the deal includes, like, basically cancelling the whole student loan cancellation thing, then that, I'd take that as a pretty big win.
Yeah, but I doubt that's true.
There's no way they'd agree to that.
Yeah, hi, dr. G. I thought I knew what a real 90
I Can you
So many cuts There's a lot of cuts today.
I don't know what's going on in the African American community when it comes to that.
You know what I mean?
amongst like the African American community to like Republicans and stuff like that?
I don't know what's going on in the African American community when it comes to that.
You know what I mean?
Black people have supported Democrats overwhelmingly for 50, 60 years.
And nothing has changed.
So something's got to change.
All right.
I might use that here.
All right.
I'll have it ready.
Cut 9, 20 seconds.
Cut 8, 10 seconds.
Cut 9, 10 seconds.
Cut 8, 10 seconds.
The only man standing between the radical left and your cheeseburgers, it's Dr. Sebastian
Gorka.
Thank you, dear friends.
Thank you.
How bad is this deal?
Let's hear from Kevin McCarthy himself.
This is what he had to say about the debt ceiling deal.
Cut 11.
Play cut.
We were able to do this when the president said he wasn't even going to talk to us.
This is really a step in the right direction.
It puts us a trajectory that's different.
We put a statutory cap on only spending 1% for the next six years.
So we let government grow, but at a slower rate.
Oh, so government's gonna grow.
Just a little bit more slowly.
Is that good enough for you?
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Let's go to Linda in Florida.
Happy Tuesday, Linda.
Hi, Dr. Gene.
Happy Tuesday to you.
Greetings.
What's your topic?
What's your question?
Basically, we gave Kevin McCarthy a chance, and Kevin McCarthy has failed us.
He dropped the ball, and what we've seen is, as I've heard you say in the past, another one of those backroom deals in the dark of night, signed on Memorial Day weekend, and then he just tells everybody about it later.
Yeah, I mean, that's not how it should be.
However, now, today, it has to go to committee, and there are two holdouts in the committee.
So it's not a done deal, Linda.
Yes, the broad framework was agreed upon between the White House and Kevin's team, but it's still got to pass Congress.
It's still got to pass the Senate.
So there are 22 holdouts in total.
So this is not a done deal yet, Linda.
So let's wait and see.
Let's stay with the ladies.
Let's go to Brooklyn. Judy, greetings.
Hi.
I'm calling because when I heard that treacherous, treasonous, shameless liar who I called a $6 million puppet for Hillary and her foundation, James Comey, before he became FBI head, worked for Hillary's foundation and made $6 million.
And his brother, Peter Comey, is the tax lawyer for the Clinton Foundation.
So they're all like, you know, birds of a feather or birds of eagles or vultures or whatever.
You know something?
You had said, and I think this is what you really should do, you suggested to unite all of these FBI whistleblowers under one roof together as a group and have a whole discussion to counter these shameless liars like this.
James Comey.
I think that is really, really a good suggestion.
It really should be done.
Really.
Yeah, somebody should organize them.
We could even have a round table of them.
I think they're growing in number.
We've had so many of them on the show as well.
Not just this one, but the Newsmax show.
Yeah, we got to support them.
They've already raised a quarter of a million dollars.
For Garrett already, the one we had on for a whole hour yesterday.
Kyle Serafin, God bless you for supporting your fellow whistleblowers.
All right, let's go to the next call.
Let's go to Arizona.
Dave, line two.
Thanks so much, Dr. Gorica.
Hey!
Mega, ultra, Kevin McSwampy, death, debacle, dittos from Maricopa County, sir.
All right, what's your comment?
What's your question?
Well, we have to make sure that our representatives, and I've been doing it, I'm a force multiplier here in the Phoenix area, letting all my crews know, it's time for the vacate now.
We need to have Speaker McCarthy, Kevin McSwampy, I call him, vacate the speaker's chair. I've been blowing up Dr. Paul
Gosar's phone and sending him emails daily and getting my whole crew in here
in Phoenix to do the same. So you think because of the debt deal we have to fire
him already after five months?
Well, a lot of us had concerns about him going in.
We thought he was too establishment class.
And you played the clip that said, you know what, we're just going to slow the rate of growth.
We're in hyperinflation.
I've said for two years we're in a full-fledged economic depression.
This is not the time to slow the rate of growth.
We need to cut unnecessary fat from the budget.
So you think this deal, even though we don't have the deal yet, Dave, you think this is already a fireable offense?
I do.
I think it's an indicator of what he's going to do in the future, because it's what he's done in the past.
He's establishment class through and through, sir.
That's one vote to fire him.
Thank you, Dave.
Let's stay in Arizona.
Let's go to Glenn, line four.
Yeah, I called you in January, and I told you something that I had said, that this man was a wolf in sheep's clothing, and that he, if you're not, I've come to this position over the last five months, that if you're not pro-MAGA, You're not with us, you're against us.
So what's the recipe ahead if there's only 22 MAGA people on Capitol Hill, Glenn?
What's your plan?
My plan?
Yeah.
If there's only 22 people, 22, on Capitol Hill in the house, that are pro-MAGA, then what should we do?
Talk is cheap, right?
Talk is cheap.
Actions speak louder than words.
I was raised with that.
Right.
So it's easy to criticize, but what next?
Well, I think they should have a vote like the Pratt callers to get this man out of there.
But there's only 22 Patriots, so they're not going to get him out.
Yeah, well, this is the problem, I think, from the very beginning that we had with this man.
He's an establishment.
All right, so if you only got 22 good guys, what do you do?
You're not going to have, you know, Jim Jordan doesn't want to be the speaker.
Matt Gaetz isn't the speaker.
So what do you do, Glenn?
We've got to put pressure on them.
And we've got to be calling our senators and congressmen.
And we've got to put more pressure on these people.
Obviously nothing's worked so far.
All right.
I'll take that as two no votes.
Thank you, Glenn.
Thank you, Dave.
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Cut 12... Do you acknowledge, perhaps, that some mistakes were made along the way?
Oh, definitely, and they were found four years ago by the Inspector General, so there's nothing new in this new document.
What were some of those mistakes, from your point of view?
Oh, that the FBI didn't communicate clearly the status of certain sources, they didn't double-check certain information before putting it in a court application for a foreign intelligence wiretap, and a bunch of others.
And so, do you believe now, as some of these politicians call for defunding of the FBI, that that has been corrected and that now the procedures are in place to avoid those kind of mistakes in the future?
I think so.
But in complex investigations, there's always going to be mistakes.
It doesn't mean the FBI isn't competent, honest, and independent.
Cut eight, please.
Cut eight.
Did you see that Ron DeSantis said that if he became president, he would pardon Trump?
Where are you on the idea of president pardoning Trump?
Pardon for what?
When did DeSantis say that?
I didn't hear that.
Jeff, did you hear that?
Yeah, he said that in one of those radio interviews he did the day after.
Jeff, do we have a press packet for the movie?
They do not.
Oh, that's good.
Can we get a clip of it?
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Did you see the Rhonda Santos said that if he became president he would pardon Trump
Where are you on the idea of president pardoning Trump?
That's Biden being asked by Peter Doocy if he'd pardon President Trump and he just laughed and walked away.
I missed that.
DeSantis said he's going to pardon Donald Trump.
Did you hear that Eric?
That is news to me and as I asked in the break Pardon him for what?
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Greetings!
What's your question?
What's your comment, Matt?
My comment is, I'm sick of everybody picking on Kevin McCarthy, who's trying to do his job, also including a local radio host that I know.
And the other one is, Alan Greenspan said in around the year 2000, this is a fact, he said he didn't say America must not default.
He said it's impossible for America to default.
I heard that about yesterday.
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But look, let's go back to Kevin McCarthy.
So are you OK with adding $4 trillion to the debt that's already there?
Not at all, sir, but look who he's got to work with, a senile old man.
He's got to do something.
And what about the fact that he only became Speaker based upon one of the requirements of the 20, that the 87,000 IRS agents would be defunded, and that didn't happen in this new deal.
Are you satisfied that he didn't keep that promise?
No, I didn't know that.
So he reneged.
So I would be like Trump on The Apprentice show and say, you're fired.
Oh, okay.
Well, you turned around pretty quickly.
All right.
That's three no's for Kevin McCarthy.
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You recently told New York Magazine, quote, I had a stroke because of Trump.
Frank, that's ludicrous.
You may have had a stroke for a lot of reasons, but I don't think you can blame it on your negative feelings about the former president.
No, it's a metaphor.
It's a metaphor wanting to be completely candid.
It's a metaphor for wanting to tell the truth.
And then I was quite frankly nervous.
I would be on shows, including some that you're close to, and I would pull my punches.
And that's not who I am.
It's not what I'm about.
and I did so and it used to cause me so much anxiety and so much stress that in the end
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Welcome back to America First.
Thank you, Sebastian, and thank you for that.
The introduction was so flattering I don't recognize myself.
As John Sullivan taught me, the aphorism, Conrad, that was an introduction my father would have been proud of and my mother would have believed.
So before we get to Henry Kissinger and his 100th birthday, you have spent much, Colm Inches, on the Trump derangement syndrome amongst putative conservatives in this city.
I just have to share this with you because it is rather entertaining.
There's an individual calling himself a, I think it goes by GOP strategist and pollster,
called Frank Luntz, who was interviewed on...
Oh yeah, I know him, yeah.
You know Frank?
Frank said something rather outré in an interview and somebody of folks called him out for it.
So this is Cut 10, play Cut.
You recently told New York Magazine, quote, I had a stroke because of Trump.
Frank, that's ludicrous.
You may have had a stroke for a lot of reasons, but I don't think you can blame it on your negative feelings about the former president.
No, it's a metaphor.
It's a metaphor for wanting to be completely candid.
It's a metaphor for wanting to tell the truth.
And that I was, quite frankly, nervous.
I would be on shows, including some that you're close to, and I would pull my punches.
And that's not who I am.
It's not what I'm about.
And I did so, and it used to cause me so much Now Howie Kurtz is not known as a bomb thrower.
Even he called that statement ludicrous.
Is there no depth that the Never Trumpers will sink to that they're blaming their stroke upon the 45th president, Conrad?
I am afraid that the answer to your question is no.
I'm surprised at Frank.
He is far from the worst of those people in terms of his comments that I've heard or read anyway.
And I haven't seen him for a few years, but he always was a competent pollster and a kind of a perceptive man in political terms.
But obviously, you know, it's like a medieval plague or malaria or something that you don't know who it will infect.
It's the humans, it's the humans, right?
Yeah, no, it got to him and laid him low and he is in that very numerous and formerly quite distinguished group of whom it may be said, as I've said before on your program, that when the name Trump is mentioned, a hitherto invisible little trap door flies open in their foreheads and a cuckoo bird Leaps out, screeching, absolute nonsense.
And we just heard, I will agree with you, perhaps the record-setting example of that, somebody claiming he had a stroke because he felt he had to pull his punches on the subject of Trump because, I quote, and I suspect, I don't want to be disrespectful of anyone who's actually had a stroke, it's a serious thing, but I suspect closer to the cause would be that he actually said about himself the inexcusable platitude, that's not who I am and that's not what I'm about.
Look, Frank is about hustling around, selling his poll-taking and his opinions, which are not worth what you pay for them most of the time, but he is, as far as I know, a competent pollster.
But for him to have descended to this level of narcissistic fantasy is...
It's distressing.
It's a public health problem.
Trump's derangement syndrome is a public mental health problem.
And to say that I caused myself... I had stress from President Trump because I had to lie about him.
I think that says more about Frank Lansing than it does anything else.
We're talking to Lord Conrad Black.
It contradicts what he is about, you see.
You have to understand what he's about.
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Your latest piece for the New York Sun, a big anniversary in terms of statecraft, the 100th birthday this week of Kissinger.
Many blame him for all kinds of things, especially the growth of modern China.
However, he does fill a position in the pantheon of States craft practitioners that seem to be a dying breed you wrote the book Nixon a life in full Can you put Kissinger in his correct context historically for for America in the 20th century?
He was a European I mean, you know only left Germany in his teens a fugitive from from the Early stages of the Nazi anti-Semitic atrocities, and he brought to the task of analysis of foreign policy his background as a distinguished historian, double, triple alumnus, triple graduate of Harvard University, and his thesis became
A very distinguished book about the Congress of Vienna and the career of Metternich, the Austrian Chancellor for nearly 40 years.
He brought a grasp of the history of European diplomacy and the experience of having to flee one of the principal European countries for racial reasons.
And he brought a technique based on examination of the traditional interests of the different countries that, once he was elevated to high office in security matters as National Security Advisor and then Secretary of State, he applied that.
And it was, in American terms, different.
I mean, there had been distinguished Secretaries of State before, and some since then.
But they had a generally American approach and either a legal or a political background, and they pursued the American national interest, as I saw it, and generally reconciled that with the... I think there's consensus for the view that American foreign policy has to be ethically justifiable, even if it's a stretch sometimes.
Henry Kissinger Uh, was learned in the geography, history, and psychology of the major powers.
And he, he applied his knowledge of that to his promotion and pursuit of the American interest.
So he, he became, uh, less legalistic.
And if I may put it this way, more almost artistic in a, in a traditional European diplomatic way where the process of Managing to align America's interests with the interests of the power he was negotiating with, up to a certain point, only as far as it suited America, just hadn't been done by an American foreign minister before.
But he was, in that sense, more like a Palmerston or a Salisbury or a De Gaulle, in a way.
So statecraft more as an art than a science?
Yeah, and as the transportation into practical use of an academic knowledge of the subject.
I mean, the United States had many outstanding Secretaries of State, but, you know, James Monroe and John Quincy Adams and William Seward and James Baker and George Shultz and Dean Atchison and General Marshall, to name some of them, they were fine Secretaries of State and outstanding statesmen.
But not in that way.
They weren't particularly historically minded.
They identified the interest that it was their task to promote the interest of the United States, and they promoted it very effectively and very ethically in every case of those people.
But it wasn't an academic approach, and the process of negotiation At which you saw Kissinger's expertise in the shuttle diplomacy in the Middle East, for example.
They didn't do that.
They went to the table and said, I represent the United States.
It is a great power, and it is reasonable for us to wish this, and that's what we want.
Now, of course, I'm simplifying.
It worked.
They chose their ground carefully.
All of the people I mentioned, and a number of others, were very effective.
I don't mean to denigrate them or devalue them.
By comparison or otherwise, but it was a different technique.
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Cut 12.
Cut 12, call me.
Do you acknowledge perhaps that some mistakes were made along the way?
Oh, definitely, and they were found four years ago by the Inspector General, so there's nothing new in this new document.
What were some of those mistakes, from your point of view?
Oh, that the FBI didn't communicate clearly the status of certain sources, they didn't double-check certain information before putting it in...
And despite when he first got elected and I first got elected, multiple times going up to him saying, hey, governor, here's my cell phone number.
I have an important issue in Lake Okeechobee.
I'd like to talk to you about crickets.
And then when you would come into town, they would exclude me from briefings.
They would exclude me.
Hurricanes bearing down on my district.
And they wouldn't allow me to be part of a press conference in my own district to my district.
Because, you know, it's just about the governor and he's he's too busy to talk to you and and have you a part of that.
And that's just not how your father operates.
That's not how, frankly, any leader should operate.
Leaders shouldn't operate that way.
You need a team of strong people beside you and alongside of you to accomplish whatever goals it is that you set out on.
The decision was easy for me.
What was interesting was the timing.
All of a sudden there was this endorsement for Trump and this endorsement for Trump and another congressman for Trump.
And suddenly the DeSantis team started going in panic mode and started contacting members like myself.
And I've never heard from any of these people.
Like I never heard from his campaign guy and suddenly after five years of being in Congress and him being governor, suddenly you're getting this phone call from a guy and it's like, oh now?
After five years you suddenly care about talking to me about anything?
And it was easy but what?
precipitated that was the DeSantis team start pressuring people, oh, you know, don't, don't go with Trump.
Don't endorse Trump when there's no relationship there.
And then threatening members of Congress, not me, but there's other members of Congress that were threatened that if they endorse Trump, that DeSantis was going to primary them.
That is not how leaders operate.
You don't operate by fear.
And I say, bring it on.
Jeff, when was that interview?
Jeff stepped out.
Oh, okay.
Had to have been recently.
Yeah, I think his show drops on Saturdays.
All right.
Who was that?
That was Greg Stube, a congressman from Florida.
God, he's pretty hostile to the governor.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, personally, I had that experience with DeSantis as well.
You know, when he was running for governor, I knew him when he was a congressman.
I texted him a couple of times to offer my assistance, and he didn't even deign to return the text.
So I think he has a pattern for Well, he'll pay for that then.
Those chickens come home to roost if you're a politician.
Well, especially if you want favors down the line.
Yeah.
All right.
A quick question on the negotiations on the debt ceiling, and then I've got a cut for you from James Comey, who's rearing his ugly head.
Oh, no.
Oh, please.
I'm going to use cut 14 again, Eric.
14 again.
It's interesting, because in the Twitter space I mentioned they had Gates and Boebert on it.
At one point, a guy named Lev Parnas came on.
Lev is out of control.
He said the same thing.
He's like, I knew DeSantis personally for years, and he turned his back on all of his friends once he started his really meteoric rise.
He said that about DeSantis?
Oh yeah, and he said, he's like, I'm not a fan of DeSantis or Trump, but I think Trump is more sincere.
DeSantis is a stick in the grass.
Angel Tree.
Angel Tree, and I'm going to use Cut 8 again.
Cut 8 again, before you do 14.
And which audio for Angel Tree?
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Before we get back to our discussion of what's happening on Capitol Hill,
at the White House on the South Lawn, Peter Doocy asked Joe Biden whether he was prepared to pardon, provisionally,
President Trump.
Let's listen to his response.
Rather, his cackle in response.
Did you see that Ron DeSantis said that if he became president he would pardon Trump?
Where are you on the idea of presidents pardoning Trump?
He just grins and laughs and walks off.
Lord Black, should the question of presidential pardons ever be risible and entertaining?
I can't really blame Biden for that.
It's better to sort of smile and walk away than take some cheap shot, especially given You know, in my opinion, irrefutable allegations calling into question his own conduct and the probity of his family's conduct.
I mean, in the circumstances, I can't blame him for that.
But I think the idea of pardoning the President where DeSantis, I don't know if he was questioned or just volunteered that, I thought it was reassuring in a way that in the end, at least, they're both Republicans.
I took it as a sign that if Trump does become the nominee, DeSantis will stay in the ship.
He won't bolt.
Yeah.
No, it is a sign of some positive connection, given... And with that said, I think it's also a bit of, you know, a bit of...
because you can't pardon somebody who hasn't been convicted.
I mean you can, but there's no need to do it.
And one should not be assuming that Trump is going to be convicted of anything.
Last week, Conrad, we had the release, 307 pages of the John Durham report about Russian collusion and how that
investigation was initiated.
James Comey, after months of silence, now he has reinvented himself as a thriller writer, did the rounds this weekend and he had this to say about the 45th president.
Cut 14.
If Donald Trump were re-elected as someone who worked for and alongside the man, what is your sense of the potential danger of his being in the White House?
Again, if you see it as a danger.
I think he poses a near existential threat to the rule of law.
He will do everything he can in a new term to try to tear down the institutions that he sees as threats and dismantle them and the people who occupy them, the apolitical people who occupy them.
So there is a lot on the ballot in 2024 if he's a candidate, but the rule of law, in my view, is at the very top of the list.
President Trump, Lord Black, a near existential threat to the Republic.
That ranks, Sebastian, I must tell you, as possibly the most outrageous thing I have heard from anybody, anywhere, this year.
I mean, for James Comey, who is the personification of the corruption of the organization he was set at the head of, To make any such comments about anyone, and particularly about a president whom he betrayed, double-crossed, committed an actual act of theft against, followed by an illegal release of classified information.
For him to do that merely demonstrates yet again, very vividly, how totally unsuited he was to the very high office that he was given Which helps to explain why he dragged the FBI into such a sewer of disrespect and universal derision.
It was for many years one of the most respected police forces in the world.
And whatever may be said of J. Edgar Hoover, it was in his time, even though there's no doubt that he exceeded his powers at times, but he never intervened in elections, and he never corrupted the system.
What Comey did was absolutely shameful, and for him to be traipsing around self-righteously, casting aspersions on other people, who have a much clearer and more defensible record of honesty in public office than he has, It's just indicative of how rotten that system became and what a symbol of it he is.
Yeah, a man who almost single-handedly destroyed the reputation of the FBI.
Speaking of reputations, Lord Black, you're an international businessman, former head of the Hollinger Group.
How do you react to all this talk of the default of the United States when it comes to the debt?
Do you believe that's even possible and what the effects could be on the reputation of the United States?
Well, it's technically possible, but I never thought there was any chance it was going to happen.
It's easily avoided, and you would simply have to have a state of collective insanity vastly exceeding anything we've seen.
And we've seen some pretty strange things in Washington in the last few years, but that would be Incomprehensibly, suicidally insane and it won't happen and there's no need for it to happen and it's easy to avoid so I never took the prospect seriously.
So you have faith that the current negotiations will actually result in some kind of agreement between the White House and the Congress?
I have some faith in that and I have a backup faith that even if they didn't You would get either a variation of the 14th Amendment application for a brief period, or the Treasury Secretary would find a few more ways to defer it a bit while it was worked out, or you could just delay some payments while not delaying others.
I mean, they're going to get over it.
They would all have to be mad.
Literally mad, all of them, both parties, for that to happen.
Right now only one of them is mad, so God willing we will have some agreement.
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Four trillion more dollars worth of debt that we will have to pay for.
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I He was a director of ours.
I've known him well for a very long time.
He was quite a fixture in the Trump White House.
He used to pop by quite a lot.
Yeah, he was never anti-Trump.
Never.
No.
Another reason for the left to hate him.
Well, you know, the left.
I mean, my God.
Look, I think DeSantis has made a real mistake running to the right of Trump, don't you?
Yes.
In certain policy areas, I don't myself disagree with him, but I think tactically it's insane.
I mean, he's basically leaving all of the moderate Republicans who aren't just raving, never Trumpers.
I mean, your average sort of Bush, Romney, McCain supporter, who isn't unlike You know, Bush, Romney and McCain themselves are Trump haters.
They've got no choice now.
They've got to go with Trump because DeSantis is too far off the charts.
And whoever told him to attack President Trump on abortion, I mean, that person should be fired.
I mean, the guy who gave us two associate Supreme Court justices that struck down Roe v. Wade, and you're going to attack him from the right on pro-life?
It's incredible.
Well, three of them, I think.
He gave them three justices, didn't he?
No, but yeah, it's just incredible.
And also, look, I personally don't like abortions, but in the end, I don't think the state has the right to tell a woman who doesn't want to have a child that they have to have a child.
I don't like them, but they happen, and as a political matter, the great majority of the people think That you have to allow more than six weeks.
So, you know, if he were the nominee, I think the Democrats could kill him on that issue.
Yeah.
No, it's his, especially after the Twitter space launch last week.
I mean, that comms team is not up to snuff.
Yeah, look, I'm starting to get the idea that DeSantis is a good governor.
I admire the program he's put through this session, you know.
He says he's imitating Roosevelt in 33, you know.
I mean, I think he's a good governor.
I'm a long-time property owner in what Mr. Nixon used to call that little pocket of poverty in Palm Beach.
But I think as a presidential candidate, he may just be a bust.
He may just be not at, you know, not good at it.
Well, yeah, the question is whether it'll affect him negatively in six years' time.
Well, you know, well, that I don't know.
But as of now, I think it's looking good for Trump, don't you?
Very good.
Oh, the latest polling?
Very good.
All right.
Thank you, Conrad.
Back to work.
Look, Sebastian, there's a chance I will be I'll have to attend a memorial service.
All right, thanks, Conan.
Bye-bye.
40.
Is it C?
You want to use any cuts here?
Yeah, there was Jesse Waters, probably.
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There's a few good guys left at Fox.
One of them is my buddy, Jesse Waters, who kind of had a very succinct summary.
It's like 50 seconds long, that's all it is, on what the left has done to America, and with a nice little joke at the end.
Cut sex.
Our society doesn't have standards anymore.
Everybody gets a trophy.
You're not allowed to judge anybody.
Nothing's taboo.
The people we revered yesterday are despised today.
Weakness is rewarded and strength is punished.
We traded excellence and achievement for diversity and inclusion.
It's happening all across the country.
In New York, the NYPD is neutering the physical fitness test.
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They don't have to carry the same weight as men.
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They say it'll make the courtroom more diverse.
Well, if you hate lawyers now, wait until they get dumber.
He's got a good... He's not good, Eric.
He's got a little kind of way of talking about serious stuff and making you laugh.
Yeah, that unexpected punchline after such a serious monologue is just icing on the cake.
They're destroying America, but if you thought lawyers could get worse, well, they could.
All right, let's go to your calls.
Let's go to line one, Knoxville.
Randy, welcome.
Randy, you're up.
Dr. Gorka.
Yes.
You know, I was listening about Frank Luntz.
You know, to me, I wanted to ask what you think.
A guy who's a little slow on the uptake sometimes, a little thick like me.
There's these guys I used to, you know, appreciate and kind of venerate.
They're supposed to be conservative, you know, the past 10, 20 years.
Donald Trump exposed these wolves in sheep's clothing.
And Frank Luntz, to me, it seems like he's one of them.
And he also got a call.
Elton John called and he wants his two payback, Frank.
There is something weird about his do.
I don't know if it's a toupee, but yeah, one of the greatest things President Trump did is to expose the lies, the propagandists, and people who just look so absurd.
They're blaming their strokes on having to lie about President Trump.
That tells us more about you, Frank, than it does about President Trump.
Greg Stubbe, Congressman Stubbe, is also revealing his experience with the governor of Florida.
Listen to what he said to Don Jr.
about Ron DeSantis.
Cut 15.
And despite when he first got elected and I first got elected, multiple times going up to him saying, hey, governor, here's my cell phone number.
I have an important issue in Lake Okeechobee.
I'd like to talk to you about crickets.
And then when he would come into town, they would exclude me from briefings.
They would exclude me.
Hurricanes bearing down on my district.
And they wouldn't allow me to be part of a press conference in my own district to my district.
Because, you know, it's just about the governor and he's he's too busy to talk to you and and have you a part of that.
And that's just not how your father operates.
That's not how, frankly, any leader should operate.
A leader shouldn't operate that way.
You need a team of strong people beside you and alongside of you to accomplish whatever goals it is that you've set out on.
The decision was easy for me.
What was interesting was the timing.
All of a sudden there was this endorsement for Trump and this endorsement for Trump and another congressman for Trump.
And suddenly the DeSantis team started going in panic mode and started contacting members like myself.
And I've never heard from any of these people.
Like I'd never heard from his campaign guy and suddenly after five years of being in Congress and him being governor, suddenly you're getting this phone call from a guy and it's like, oh now?
After five years you suddenly care about talking to me about anything?
And it was easy but what...
Precipitated that was the DeSantis team start pressuring people.
Oh, you know, don't don't go with Trump.
Don't endorse Trump when there's no relationship there and then threatening members of Congress, not me, but there's other members of Congress that were threatened that if they endorse Trump, that DeSantis was going to primary them.
That is not how leaders operate.
You don't operate by fear.
And I say, bring it on.
Congresswoman Greg Stubbe from Florida saying he ignores everybody and then he wants them to help him or he threatens them.
Really, Governor DeSantis?
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He has no title, they said.
They said he's just part of the documentary.
Okay.
And you have a cut if you want it.
Play it for me.
45 seconds, playback one.
And one of the, you know, the great injuries that I think that Tony Fauci and Bill Gates have perpetrated.
...is steering the World Health Organization away from its traditional concerns with economic development, with agriculture, with local governance and education, those holistic issues of developing locally-rooted solutions to local problems of poverty and health, and steered the WHO toward the kind of single preoccupation with vaccines.
And we're taking things that are, you know, genetically modified organisms, and we're injecting them in little kids' arms.
We just shoot them right into the vein.
Okay.
All right.
Well, the thing with Stuby, too, that lines up with what he's been saying.
He said a little while ago that, you know, he was the congressman who was in that tree-cutting accident a while ago.
Like, he fell and, like, broke his leg or something.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He said, recently, he said, when he was in the hospital, the first person to send him a text was President Trump.
Oh, funny.
And meanwhile, he never heard from DeSantis the entire time he was in the hospital.
Do we like him?
What's his record?
I think he's relatively new.
Let me check.
No, no.
Do we like him?
I don't know much about his record, to be honest with you.
Geoff, any... How do you not know about his record?
First elected in 2018, so yeah, he's fairly new.
He's a member of the Freedom Caucus.
Right.
Yeah.
Oh, title for the black video?
Umm...
Oh.
I'm going to go ahead and close this.
Yeah, he said so many good things about Komi.
Post just the second part.
Just the second part.
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There's a guy called Jimmy Dore who is left-wing, very left-wing.
I think he'd call himself a socialist.
But he has some interesting things to say about COVID.
He's a comedian.
And this clip is, well, if we had more Democrats like this, things would be much better.
Cut 18.
Play cut.
But the weird thing that happened around COVID, I'd never noticed this before in any other time of my life, but you weren't allowed to ask questions at any point during this.
You just had to, you had to do what the man on the TV said, right?
You had to do what the man on the TV said without questions, and then you're a good person.
But if you question it, then you're a white supremacist, Trumper, not, they're like, whoa, no, no.
No, I didn't vote for Trump.
I just have questions.
Even comedians would get on stage and they would shame people for trying to get informed about a medical treatment that was experimental that they had to take or they would lose their jobs and they wouldn't be able to travel.
And when people tried to get informed about that, other people shamed them.
They would say, please tell me you're not going to do your own research.
You've heard people say that, please don't do your own research.
You know before COVID, doing your own research used to be called reading.
Now you're shaming me for reading?
Yeah, I guess you're not allowed to ask questions.
Another Democrat who asked a lot of questions and is now garnering, what, 20% in the run for the Democrat nomination, although there's not going to be a primary, has a very famous last name.
It's Robert Kennedy Jr., and he's the star of a new movie, The Real Anthony Fauci.
And to discuss it, we have with us J.P.
Sears.
J.P., welcome to America First.
Hey Sebastian, thank you for having me on, my friend.
Alright, absolutely.
Tell us about this movie and why our listeners, our viewers, should check out a movie from Robert Kennedy Jr.
Yeah, well I'll tell you, the past few years since we've had a lot of mandates Erosion of freedom, and I would call it lies and deception.
If you're someone who's sat there and said, this doesn't seem right to me, something doesn't feel right, or I see a lot of things that are just lies.
This movie is the answer from my point of view.
It exposes so much truth that's been concealed about people like Fauci, some of the government agencies, the pharmaceutical industries.
Where it helps us get out of a jail of deception that we didn't know we're in.
And as a wise man once said, you can't get out of a jail that you don't know you're in.
And Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the research, the diligence and the references that he's gone to painstaking efforts to paint this picture or better said, observe the picture that's there.
It's just it blows my mind.
It's the movie.
It's the piece of work I wanted during COVID.
And in my opinion, it's the answer.
And hopefully it empowers us as people to not have to repeat past mistakes.
Well, we have a clip from the movie.
Let's play right now.
Eric, play clip.
And one of the, you know, the great injuries that I think that Tony Fauci and Bill Gates have perpetrated is steering the World Health Organization away from its traditional concerns with economic development, with agriculture, with We're taking things that are, you know, genetically modified organisms and we're injecting them in little kids' arms.
developing locally rooted solutions to local problems of poverty and health and
steered the WHO toward the kind of single preoccupation with vaccines.
We're taking things that are you know genetically modified organisms and we're
injecting them in little kids arms we just shoot them right into the vein.
Bill Gates very excited super excited about injecting children with genetically
modified quote-unquote medicines.
JP, this isn't, you know, I'm sure he's lost a lot of friends, he's not being invited to Martha's Vineyard for Thanksgiving.
Why is a man with the last name Kennedy prepared to do this?
You know, I've had a chance to get to know Bobby Kennedy Jr., have dinner with him on several different occasions.
My observation of his character is he cares.
He, I think his father, his uncle, they seem to be very service-oriented people where they're not looking to have the public serve their interests.
They're looking to serve the public's interests.
And, you know, I've heard Bobby Say, and I believe it to be true, I feel that about him, that this is a hill he's willing to die on, where the media for the past many years, along with certainly the Biden administration, they've been smearing him.
Because I think what he is doing, trying to serve humanity by exposing people that use humanity for their own interests, You know, he's inconvenient.
They want him out of the way and while I, not to sound dramatic, I think his life is on the line in some ways.
Certainly they've attacked his name because he stands up and calls out tyrants in a very potent way and it's waking a lot of people up.
So we as people no longer outsource our power, our choices, our thoughts, and our sovereignty to, quite frankly, tyrants and people who don't have our best interests in mind.
So long story short, my experience of him is he has impeccable character and he cares.
That's why he's going to the trouble of Putting himself on the line to bring this information to people through the movie The Real Anthony Fauci.
Well, find out for yourself.
Watch it.
I've seen it.
SalemNow.com.
The Real Anthony Fauci.
Thank you, J.P.
Sears.
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okay i see that.
What have we got here?
I know it's not a cup, but you wanted to use the footage of Biden for Memorial Day?
Yeah, that was gonna be for the pre-record.
Oh, okay.
How important is the ice cube thing, Geoff?
You can block.
I don't know.
Okay.
Gates is more important.
I mean, no one's gonna hear it.
You understand what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Also, I think it's safe to say, as dissatisfied with the Dems as he is, I don't think he's about to suggest turning around and voting for Trump either.
You never know.
Block.
Block.
Oh, play me too!
Two.
I think right now he's even money, and I know a lot of people would laugh at that.
I think Ron DeSantis right now is even money to be the next Republican nominee for president.
I do think that if he learns how to get out of his way, and we're still, you know, nine months off from elections, he could beat Donald Trump because he is so much more competent than Donald Trump, and he's supposed to come without the baggage that Donald Trump has.
Oh, that's interesting.
Can you believe it?
They are saying that they don't agree with America First.
How do you say that?
Magnificent.
Mr. G, quick question.
If I ever ran for national office, like a governorship or something like that, or for the House or the Senate, how would you react if Joe Scarborough said good things about me on his show?
That's not a good one.
That's kind of like when Jeb Bush basically endorsed him and came out and said he didn't.
I would, if that ever happened, I'd be very worried.
If the New York Times ever said anything nice about me, if Joe Scarborough endorsed me, which is weird, because he just said really nice things about Ron DeSantis.
Cut to.
I think right now he's even money, and I know a lot of people would laugh at that.
I think Ron DeSantis right now is even money to be the next Republican nominee for president.
I do think that if he learns how to get out of his way, and we're still, you know, nine months off from elections, he could beat Donald Trump because he is so much more competent than Donald Trump, and he's supposed to come without the baggage that Donald Trump has.
No baggage, more competent.
Oh yeah, not a good sign.
I wonder if the DeSantis campaign is going to respond.
I'll be on Newsmax tonight at 8.30.
Kevin McCarthy will be holding a press conference at 8.30 about the debt deal.
So tune in.
I'll be on Eric Bolling's show at 8.30.
Let's go to Los Angeles.
Barry, line two.
Yeah, why is...
I'm wondering why everybody is all the hate on McCarthy right now.
Because 87,000 IRS agents were meant to be unhired as part of the deal to make him Speaker, and they have not been unhired as a result of the deal.
Should I go on, Barry?
No.
Why was he negotiated in the first place?
People should have been arguing the last two weeks.
You shouldn't have been negotiating.
Hang on.
Slow down.
You're out of breath.
Just slow down.
Slow down.
Okay?
Take a breath.
Count to ten.
Relax.
Okay?
There are parts of this deal that wouldn't be there, shouldn't be there, based upon the arrangements that made him Speaker.
Is that clear?
No.
No.
Stop.
Just listen.
What I'm saying is this, they passed the bill two weeks ago.
Why did they not make the Senate vote on it?
Why was he negotiating anything?
Because it hasn't come out of conference yet.
It hasn't come out of committee yet.
You can't just sign it.
You can't send it to the White House.
It has to clear the committee first.
That's how it works.
No, no.
Two weeks ago, the House passed a bill.
That's a draft bill, Barry.
That's a draft bill.
It hasn't been voted on by the House, by the Senate, or by the committee out of which it comes.
That's how it works.
It is a little cartoon of how a bill is made.
It has to come out of committee first.
Except it was voted on.
No it's not.
That's why there are two members of the committee today, Barry, who are still holding out against it.
Breaking news.
You need to check the news, Barry.
Right now, one of the people has said, I'm going to vote for it.
You've got to stay informed.
That's why we're here.
But thanks for the call.
Next up, one-on-one from the CEO of The Federalist.
Stay here on America First.
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a man A legend.
A legal immigrant.
Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
Yes, I am a legal immigrant to the United States.
But in the UK, I did grow up on American culture.
That was the theme tune for the Dukes of Hazzard.
I loved all of that stuff as a kid.
But I was imbued with a British sense of humor.
We're going to talk a little bit about Monty Python.
Let's introduce our special guest for our one-on-one.
He's a guy who comes on the show regularly for a little bit of political analysis, trenchant analysis, but now we have the luxury of the whole hour with him.
He's the co-founder, the CEO of that superb website, The Federalist.
Sean Davis, welcome back.
Thanks for having me.
Sean, are you a fan of British humor?
Do you like absurdities such as Monty Python?
I think the drier and more insulting and absurd, the more I like it.
I love British humor.
All right, why am I not surprised?
Knowing you, that is not a surprise at all.
All right, let's go back in time.
Let's go back 30 years, 30 plus years, to a film that caused a bit of controversy at the time as blasphemous, but it didn't cause controversy because of this skit.
A skit which you couldn't make today.
Here's the life of Brian.
Where was I?
I think you finished.
Oh, right.
Furthermore, it is the birthright of every man... ...or woman... Why don't you shut up about women, Stan?
You're putting us off.
Women have a perfect right to play a part in our movement, Reg.
Why are you always on about women, Stan?
I want to be one.
What?
I want to be a woman.
From now on, I want you all to call me Loretta.
What?
It's my right as a man.
Well, why do you want to be Loretta, Stan?
I want to have babies.
You want to have babies?
It's every man's right to have babies if he wants them.
But you can't have babies!
Don't you oppress me.
I'm not oppressing you, Stan.
You haven't got a womb.
Where's the fetus gonna gestate?
You're gonna keep it in a box?
Any humor that can use the word gestate as part of the joke, that is pretty grade A humor.
Where you gonna gestate the fetus in a box?
That's Monty Python.
Sean Davis, it's in the news again.
Why?
Because John Cleese, I don't think he's a Trumpster, but he doesn't like political correctness, and he's going to make the play of the life of Brian, and he's being told to edit out that skit.
I wonder why?
Do you have an inkling?
Oh yeah, it's because reality is extremely offensive to lefties who just don't like the way things are.
So reality must be changed.
It must be snuffed out in order for them to feel good about themselves.
But the fact that this... I mean, I could see you over the Skype connection as we were playing the clip.
You know, you were grinning.
I couldn't control myself.
That's humor, you know.
Stan, why do you keep talking about women?
Because I want to be one.
Call me Loretta.
That had people rolling through the aisles in the cinemas in 1979 or whenever it was.
Today they want to cancel that.
Help me understand what is going on.
You're a businessman.
You run one of the most successful news sites out there.
But we see... Just one example.
Help me out here.
I'm not a businessman.
I'm just a guy with an accent and a microphone.
We see Target.
lose ten billion dollars in a week because of its satanist designed tuckable transitioning swimsuits for boys who want to be girls.
Ten billion dollars in a week, Sean.
And then we find out that Kohl's is doing the same thing in their store.
I mean, how is this happening in America, the land of, you know, for-profit success?
Well, I think there are a couple reasons.
I think there's some business reasons, and I think there's some spiritual and moral reasons.
On the business side, I think every single major institution in the country, and that includes corporate America and Wall Street, has been taken over by these wokies, and what they are weaponizing against just normal businesses Kind of just want to sell the stuff they want to sell and that's it.
Is this ESG, the scorecard?
And it's almost become the firmware of corporate America that if you want to get equity investments, private equity investments, if you want your debt issuances to be able to go through so you can invest in capital and whatever, these big companies, BlackRock, they're going to come in and say, you know, we're looking at your ESG scores and You don't have a Pride Month.
You don't even have a Pride Day.
So we're going to knock you off some points there.
And, oh, we don't like that you don't have a DEI program.
So, oh boy, that's going to be another negative on your scorecard.
And then suddenly, you're scoring so poorly on the totalitarian ESG index that they're just not going to give you money.
And this is how they end up extorting companies into doing this kind of stuff.
Now, with Target, I think that's probably not exactly right on, because Target really is patient zero of the trans insanity.
You'll recall, may have been ten years ago, nine years ago, I don't have the exact date, Target was the first major retail corporation in America to do the transgender bathrooms, to say that we're going to let men in women's bathrooms.
It was a huge deal back then.
It was unthinkable when they came out and did that.
And now, not only did they get away with that and made billions doing it, now they're starting to do a little Trojan horse game with transgender clothing and targeting children for castration and sterilization.
Target has been bad from the beginning, so I do have some sympathy for these bigger companies that don't want to be in the culture war.
We're being extorted and bullied into it by places like BlackRock.
I have no sympathy with Target.
Target's a true evil believer here.
They've been bad from the get-go, and so they don't have any excuses other than they're just awful.
That gets to the second issue, which is the moral and spiritual component here.
Because it's impossible to avoid.
I know conservatives, people with libertarian bent, they like to think that the free market guides everything.
As long as there's a free market, everything will be fine and everyone can do what they want and happiness will be maximized.
You know, I like the free market.
This belief that the free market fixes everything is a fairy tale, because we do have a spiritual and moral component here, which I think is the real driver of the rot that we're having to face in this country right now.
It's why marriages are declining.
It's why half the kids are born out of wedlock.
church attendance is down, we are very quickly turning into a wicked, rotten
people incapable of self-government. You recall it was John Adams
who said that this Republic that they had designed was designed for a moral
and virtuous people and I'm sorry to conclude at this point that's not us.
Yeah, yeah, the argument that I've heard or the way it's expressed is America
isn't, you don't have to be a Christian to be an American but your values have
to be Judeo-Christian.
It was designed for people who have that value set.
So your take is interesting because I've heard this, you know, many times before that it's because these corporations hired all these gender studies wokesters who worked their way up through the system and then became the head of HR and then I thought hang on a second you mean it's the c-suite can't take on a 30-something wokester in the HR department but what you're saying is that the pressure is coming from the outside from these totally ideologically politically correct investment corporations like BlackRock so for you it's more the external forces being exerted?
Well, I think it's a little of both, but we never hear about the external forces.
We just hear about these little pink-haired freaks who are 23 and come in and think they understand how everything works and they should rule the company.
Obviously, they're a problem.
They're a huge problem, but it's not just an internal problem to the company.
It's also an external business problem and then an internal, individual, societal, moral problem.
And that's what makes this so frustrating.
There's no one easy answer.
So I think the boycotts of Target are great.
You shouldn't be shopping in there, given what they're trying to do to your kids.
But that's not going to be enough to arrest this leftward slide that we're facing.
We need to be firing on all cylinders.
It can't just be, oh, the free market fixes everything and then we're set, because the market and the corporate institutions have been captured here.
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Here is the British designer of the transgender swimsuits for little boys, who is a Satanist, okay?
This guy is wearing a t-shirt, he's got horns on his head, He's wearing a t-shirt that says Satan respects pronouns.
This isn't a theory.
Even if the guy says, I'm not a Satanist.
I just like the way Satan stands for rebellion.
That is a direct quote from the designer of Target's children's swimsuits for boys who are pretending to be girls.
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Here, I've got an idea.
Suppose you agree that he can't actually have babies, not having a womb, which is nobody's fault, not even the Romans, but that he can have the right to have babies.
Good idea, Judith.
Which will fight the oppressors for your right to have babies, brother.
Sister, sorry.
What's the point?
What?
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It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression.
Symbolic of his struggle against reality.
I'm sorry, just bloody genius.
Every word in that skit is genius from the life of Brian.
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Sean, you very correctly kind of diagnosed, how did we get here?
Or in terms of, you know, the multivalent answers to where is this insanity, this denial of reality coming from.
Let me flip it.
What were conservatives doing as the nation, as I'm going to be clear here, as Western civilization was slouching towards Gomorrah?
What were the good guys?
What were the conservatives doing?
Did we just, you know, not see it?
Did we have scales on our eyes?
Were we too busy running companies and making money and making sure our kids had a, you know, new pair of shoes for the next semester at school?
Explain to me how, you know, it seems as if we wake up one morning and, you know, 12-year-old girls are getting double mastectomies because they think they're a boy.
Yeah, it's horrifying.
I think the best example I would use to describe it is what we lived through during COVID.
We had basically every single institution in America fail to do its job to protect our country and to protect our liberties.
We had our government just completely abandon sanity, tried to lock us down.
We had schools shut down for something that wasn't a risk to children at all.
We had churches agree to close their doors and say, you know what, maybe God didn't really mean it when he said we need to worship together every week.
You know, if people are sick, you know, there must be an exception in the Bible somewhere for that.
And so I think what has happened writ large in this country over the last 30, 40, 50 years is similar to what happened during COVID.
It's just a little trickier to see because it zoomed out quite a bit, is we had people who just assumed everything would go on the way it was going on forever.
Things were good, and things had always kind of been good in America, and why wouldn't they always continue to be good?
And so we allowed these little things to change over the time, whether it was the sexual revolution, where we decided that, you know what, sex doesn't really need to be connected to marriage.
It's not like the point of it is to raise children.
So we'll just, you know, free sex for everyone whenever they want, and we'll pretend there are no consequences.
So then, you know, the natural result of that is abortion.
Well, you know, if I get to have sex all the time, whenever I want, I should just be able To not have to deal with the consequences of that so we're just gonna have abortion and then so right there right out of the gate starting in the 60s and 70s Suddenly marriage is being devalued child rearing is is being devalued.
We throw God out of schools.
We decide that religion and faith is something that belongs within the four walls of a church on Sunday.
And then slowly over time, year by year, we end up to where we say, you know what,
marriage, it's just for everyone.
Anyone can get married.
It's just all about how you feel.
And also boys can be girls.
And if you disagree with that, then obviously it's because you're a bigoted
and you're probably racist.
And so we as a country have made all these little compromises along the way.
And for some reason, as we made them, we didn't think that they would have any larger effects down the line.
We thought that that ripple in the water from this little thing would just die and wouldn't go anywhere.
And, instead, it's turned into a massive tidal wave that's threatening to destroy our entire culture and our way of life, because we have completely eroded the way the foundation of what this country was built on.
So is it really naivete on our behalf, or just not realizing the death of a thousand cuts?
I think it's definitely part of that.
We make these little compromises and somehow think there won't be consequences.
But there's also a component here that I think is rooted in the Christian faith, which is that we're all fallen and we're all sinful.
Without God's grace, we are completely and wholly corrupted by sin.
And we forget that because in America, things have always been good in America.
We became the richest, most prosperous, most free nation in history almost overnight.
And so we thought, well, yeah, just things are great here and they'll continue to be great.
We will be unique in how we defy what has happened to every other civilization in history when they lose their way.
And so I don't know if we were just sleepwalking, if we conned ourself into it, But we're susceptible to the exact same things that have triggered the downfall of every other great civilization before us, and yet we somehow pretend that we're special and we won't be the ones who face the consequences for these things.
Yeah, yeah.
I even have a good friend who's a conservative radio host who talks about Boot Edge Edge's husband, and I go, hang on a second, you're a conservative.
A man cannot have a husband.
Stop it!
It's these small concessions and even subconscious acquiescence of the battlefield to those who want to destroy everything that we hold sacred.
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I love discussing that with you, but let's get prosaic for a second because it's a kind of tactical consequence of everything we've discussed.
The debt ceiling talks.
Your response to the idea that, yes, this is a great success for conservatives, that we're only adding four trillion dollars to the debt.
How should we really look at this?
I mean, it doesn't matter how much you polish a turd, you're still going to end up a turd.
And I think this debt limit bill is just a big steaming pile of turds.
Look, and I get why the people who negotiated it want us to pretend that it's somehow a great victory, but it's not.
And a good example is we were promised over and over again as Republicans ran for the House after they took the House that At the very least, we're going to get rid of this $87 billion that Biden and the Democrats wanted to give the IRS to hire new agents to come after people like you and me.
They couldn't even manage that.
They got rid of, I think, a billion and a half dollars of that.
And that's before we even get into the overall levels of spending.
They're out there saying, oh, we're going to save trillions and trillions of dollars.
they couldn't even get back to the pre-COVID levels of spending, like 2020 pre-COVID baseline level of spending,
which means that every year from here on out, no matter how much money they save
according to their spreadsheets, we're down a half trillion dollars.
We're spending a half trillion dollars more every year for eternity because they couldn't even get back
to the level of spending that we had before the COVID inflationary spike.
So I think this bill is a total mess.
It's an embarrassment, and I think they just need to go back to the drawing board and do their jobs.
And what should be for those who love America, given the fact that we don't have a MAGA GOP,
we don't have a MAGA, America First GOP, what is the right way?
Should the 20 be intransigent?
Should they boycott everything?
Given that this is, I mean, I believe that checks and balances were actually meant to create gridlock.
That's what the founding fathers actually wanted.
What is the best way to proceed, given that we don't have control in terms of America First?
Well, yeah, the easy way is just basic negotiating and basic leverage.
The House is who controls the purse.
It's Article 1, Section 9 of the Constitution.
They call the shots on this stuff.
They're the place where these bills have to initiate.
Why are they preemptively surrendering to the White House, which didn't put together a plan?
to the Democrat-run Senate, which couldn't even pass its own plan.
You have an opportunity here to use the leverage given to you by the Constitution to demand actual structural reforms and changes, and yet they didn't do any of it.
I just find it so ridiculous.
There's an old maxim that asks, how does a company go bankrupt?
first slowly and then all at once.
Well, countries are no different.
And we're careening towards bankruptcy.
We're $30 trillion in debt, and that's just what we already owe.
That doesn't take into account Medicare and Social Security.
We're probably 100 to $200 trillion in debt.
And until they actually turn this car around, they're still heading towards the cliff.
I don't care if it's 70 miles an hour or 65.
I'm not gonna pretend that pumping the brakes for five seconds is somehow progress.
You actually have to turn the car around if you wanna save this country.
Nobody in Washington seems interested in doing that.
And the fact that we have somebody like Mitch McConnell as the quote-unquote conservative leader
for us in the Senate.
Thank you.
Yeah, it's a huge problem.
There's nothing conservative about him.
And it's interesting.
We heard lots of doomsday scenarios about, oh, we're going to default.
We're going to default.
No, we weren't.
We were not going to default.
We're constitutionally obligated to pay interest and pay on the debt.
What was going to happen is they were going to lose money that they're shuffling into the Ukraine gravy train.
So it's interesting how we hear all these threats that, oh, grandma's not going to get her Social Security or you're not going to be able to get your health care.
Has Ukraine for one moment felt imperiled about our cash flowing to it?
Because it doesn't seem like it has.
And that kind of tells you everything you need to know about what the priorities of
people like Mitch McConnell are.
And they're not our priority.
I haven't heard that phrase before, the Ukraine gravy trade.
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I'm going to share with you a clip from a video that's gone viral in the last 24 hours, which is weird, very weird, because it's an event that happened second week of May.
So where was this video hiding?
It is the commencement speaker, one Fatima Mohammed, City University of New York's law school.
This is a student talking to her fellow graduating students at a law school in America.
And we did all of this in spite of the racism, in spite of the selective activism, the self-serving interests of CUNY Central, an institution that continues to fail us, that continues to train and cooperate with the fascist NYPD, the military, that continues to train IDF soldiers to carry out that same violence globally, a larger institution committed to its donors, not to its students.
So the idea, Sean, that you'd have a valedictorian commencement speaker in New York at a prestigious law school get, not only get to say the fascist NYPD that is securing that building, but then also get cheers, jubilant cheers from her fellow students This means the situation is dire.
My question to you is, where is the conservative patriotic leadership?
Apart from the 20 on Capitol Hill, President Trump, the odd surrogates here and there.
It's as if we're Gulliver and we're asleep in Lilliput.
It is.
I would take issue with one comment you made.
Let's not throw the term prestigious around so willy-nilly.
There's nothing prestigious about what that young woman just did.
But yeah, we've had this movement in America, especially when it comes to education.
They call it public education.
I call it government education.
Where for 20 or 30 years, the right has kind of just mouthed, oh, we love government education.
We love government education and not really done anything about it.
And it reminds me of the old saying, don't send your children to Caesar and be surprised when they come out Romans.
Don't send your kids to these Bolshevik communist madrasas and be surprised when they come out little Marxists like that young woman.
We have just decided that we can send our kids off for eight, nine hours a day, not just for five years or eight years or 12 years or 16 years.
But in the case of this person, 19 years of schooling.
Why on earth would we expect these students to turn out any other way when we know exactly what they're being taught in these schools?
And, you know, it might be CUNY.
It might be some other state university.
It might even be a private boarding school or a school that you thought was safe.
It's not just Republicans, and trust me, they're a huge problem. They have done so little to
address any of the actual problems we face, but we've also got a problem with parents,
where they just decide to outsource the raising of their kids.
And I get it.
Life in America is expensive now.
Our awful government has made it that way.
You often need two incomes just to survive.
But you can't send off your children into these communist Bolshevik madrasas and then be surprised when they turn out to be just woke, awful little ninnies.
Like that woman.
It's a natural consequence and so we need to start taking ownership of how we educate our children instead of just sending them off for 16 or 19 years and being shocked when they turn out to be just awful little communists.
And beyond, I love that phrase, if I remember from now and I'm going to call public schools government schools, but beyond schooling, beyond what's happening at these camps of indoctrination that are, you know, erstwhile colleges, if we look at society in general and especially as you mentioned COVID, The nation built upon the pioneer spirit, rugged individualism, totally genuflected and surrendered at the altar of, you know, collectivist little fascists like Fauci.
Where are the, you know, the Tocquevillian leaders in America?
Our churches have abandoned us.
Even my church, the Catholic Church, was fine with the masks and the shuttering and everything else.
Do you see any sign of the original America coming back?
Oh, it's definitely there.
It's not like that type of personality has evaporated.
You look at kids coming out, you know, they're 14, 15, 18 years old.
I can think of kids in our own family and people in our neighborhood.
They're looking at all this insanity and they're thinking, you people are absolutely nuts.
And they're completely radicalized and right-wing because of all this nonsense.
So that attitude is out there, but at the leadership level, that's what I find the most disheartening.
Where are our leaders?
What are they doing?
They seem to just be bending the knee and bowing before whatever government institution tells them they need to do this or that, with COVID being a good example.
You had churches out there not preaching the gospel, but preaching CDC guidelines to the flock.
And we especially see this in political circles.
Where are the leaders?
I mean, where are our leaders?
I used to work for Tom Coburn in the Senate.
That man was a leader.
He had no problem walking into a room of senators and telling them they were all a bunch of morons selling out the country.
And he slept fine at night because he knew he was right.
Where are the Tom Coburns of the current political class?
Because they seem to be pretty few and far between.
Do you have an answer for that rhetorical question?
Where are the Tom Coburns, Sean?
I mean, I'll tell you, I know Chip Roy.
He's a good friend.
He's great.
I think Dan Bishop is doing great work.
they're starting in the House just like Coburn did.
But I kind of want to see someone come in, a Samson style provocateur,
and just start tearing down the pillars of all these institutions and say,
enough is enough.
I don't care if you hate me.
I don't care if you're gonna cancel me.
We've got to stop this nonsense because if we don't,
we're not gonna have a country any longer.
Yep, yep.
I like that image.
I like that analogy.
A Samson-like individual.
I think President Trump is going to be that person if we can get him elected for a second term when it comes to federal government, to the executive.
But we could do with some of that in the Senate.
We could do with more than 20 patriots in Congress.
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Sean, Every day, every week, almost every day, there's new evidence of how we live in a police state.
The latest is last week the Department of Homeland Security spending millions of dollars on training, on materials that have these kinds of diagrams in them.
The pyramid of far-right radicalization with the American Conservative Union, the Heritage Foundation, the NRA, the Christian Broadcast Network, the GOP, red MAGA hats, leading all the way to what?
To white supremacy and fascism.
I have to ask you a question in broader historic context.
When I moved to Hungary after the fall of communism, a Hungarian philosopher wrote an article that became very famous called The Land of No Consequences, because he asked the question, how can it be that after 40 years of communism, of gulags, of people getting killed, intimidated for political purposes, nobody paid a price?
Are we slowly becoming the land of no consequences?
If you're a Democrat, you can literally get away with anything?
Yeah, I'm not sure it's happening slowly.
We have a federal government apparatus, which seems to be led by DOJ and FBI.
It's turned into an American Stasi.
They spy on us, they leak against us, they manufacture fake crimes against us.
A perfect example is an FBI attorney named Kevin Clinesmith.
We've got 30 seconds left.
fabricated an email so he could use it against a Donald Trump campaign surrogate and try and put
him in prison and get him spied on. So yeah, we've got a huge problem in this country that the left
faces no consequences and the right gets rung up on things that never happened.
We've got 30 seconds left. Nevertheless, do you remain an optimist about this nation, Sean?
I'm an optimist generally about, from a spiritual and moral component.
I know where I'm going at the end.
I've got a Christ who redeems me.
But as far as this country is concerned, I wouldn't say I'm an optimist so much as I am deeply, deeply concerned about the trends that we're seeing right now.
He's already won because he knows what our Lord and Savior did for us on Mount Golgotha 2,000 years ago.
But it's up to us here to make sure that there is a pale reflection of ultimate justice here on earth as well.
And that's up to us.
God bless you, Sean Davis, for doing what you do.
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