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April 5, 2023 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Establishment Media and the Deep State

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	I have a Trump-hating judge with a Trump-hating wife and family, whose daughter worked for Kamala Harris and now receives money from the Biden-Harris campaign, and a lot of it.
	We recently had another trial, and the same judge told the fine man who worked for me for many, many years that if you admit your guilt, You will be in jail for 90 days.
	But if you don't, if we go through a trial and you're found guilty, you're going away for 10 years and maybe longer.
	Which, for a 75-year-old man with a great family, really means life.
	What the prosecutors and judge did to that man, I will never forget.
	Because it's right out of the old Soviet Union.
	That's where we are.
	They said, you say anything about Trump, meaning that's bad, and you won't even have to serve the 90 days.
	You'll walk free.
	And they say that to many of my employees.
	We have this Jack Smith lunatic threatening people every single day through his representatives.
	They're threatening jail terms.
	But talk about Trump and you'll go free.
	This is where we are as a nation.
	Who would have thought?
	They can't beat us at the ballot box, so they try and beat us through the law.
	Yes, indeed, but not through the actual application of the law, but through something called lawfare, which is the perversion of the law and the use of law as a political weapon.
	That was President Trump last night from Mar-a-Lago.
	We covered it live on Newsmax.
	I was in the studio here in Washington, D.C.
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	Okay, let's talk about what happened last night.
	Let's talk about Let's talk about first, not Mar-a-Lago, and the President's speech, only about 26, 27 minutes long, one of the shortest speeches he's ever given.
	It was on message.
	It was inside the bumpers.
	It worked.
	It wasn't distraction-laden.
	It wasn't depressive or negative.
	It was factual, and it was about what has happened to this great nation as a result of the use of lawfare, the use of law as a weapon.
	Let's listen to the unbelievably crass press conference from the District Attorney for Manhattan.
	This is Alvin Bragg.
	First things first.
	Let's listen to his answer as to why he didn't mention what crimes the president has committed.
	Before we do that, just put a visual up for our viewers.
	This is the sort of flip chart, this is the graphic, the board that was put up by Bragg for the press conference.
	People versus Donald Trump!
	There's four boxes, let me read them to you, because they tell the whole story of why this is utterly fallacious.
	$130,000 hush money payment.
	Box 1.
	No, it's an NDA.
	Okay.
	Box 2.
	34 counts of falsifying business records, checks, invoices, and general ledger entries.
	Yeah, it's 35 times the same thing repeated again.
	And again.
	And again.
	All of which are, by the law of New York, misdemeanors.
	Which would result, if it weren't President Trump, that we're in the court in a fine.
	Box three.
	Intent to commit or conceal another crime, including state and federal election laws.
	Now that's the interesting box.
	Because nowhere in the indictment Does he say what crime was committed?
	Which is really weird if you want to accuse somebody of breaking the law, you should say what crime it is they're committing.
	And then the last box in the diagram, falsifying business records in the first degree.
	That's how you add it all up and you kludge it together.
	Let's listen to Bragg basically admitting that there is no there there.
	Cut eight!
	Indictment does not what those crimes were, we are assuming perhaps that they might be election related.
	I'm wondering if you can specify what laws were also held.
	Right.
	So let me say as an initial matter that the indictment doesn't specify that because the law does not so require.
	The journalist is asking what crime has the president committed?
	Because falsifying a business record is a misdemeanor.
	Unless it is done according to some abstruse additional statute to cover up another crime, then it's a fenele.
	Fenele?
	That sounds like a herb or a vegetable.
	Then it's a felony!
	But what's the crime, Bragg, that you're accusing the president of covering up?
	Well, the journalists ask the question!
	What is the crime?
	Why don't you mention it?
	You've got 26 pages of indictment!
	What does Bragg say?
	We didn't mention the crime because we're not required to.
	Excuse me?
	What is this?
	Stalinist Soviet Union?
	We don't have to say what crime you've committed.
	We can just call you a criminal!
	That is Kafka.
	That is Stalinist tactics.
	That is Gestapo-Stasi tactics.
	But it gets better.
	This is Cut Nine.
	In my remarks, I mentioned a couple of laws which I will highlight again now.
	The first is New York state election law, which makes it a crime to conspire to promote a candidacy by unlawful means.
	I further indicated a number of unlawful means, including more additional false statements, including statements that were planned to be made to tax authorities.
	I also noted the federal election law cap on contribution limits.
	But why weren't those crimes charged?
	Why wasn't he charged with those crimes?
	I'm not going to go into our delivery process on what was brought.
	The charges that were brought were the ones that were brought.
	The evidence in the law is the basis for those decisions.
	Do you understand what just happened?
	He rattles off these things that like to do with campaign contributions.
	There are no campaign contributions!
	It's a non-disclosure agreement.
	It's a private civil matter.
	And then the journalist doing journalism says, so why didn't you mention those categories of crimes?
	I'm not going to tell you how we deliberate.
	It's not a question of deliberation.
	You're charging the man.
	Why didn't you mention the crimes?
	Reasons.
	Even NBC realizes this is bogus.
	This is garbage.
	Danny Cervalos is their legal analyst.
	And listen to his Democrat analysis!
	Cut to ten.
	We got the misdemeanor.
	But New York law allows, this is where it gets really confusing, New York law allows that to become a felony if the false entry was also in furtherance of or to conceal a crime.
	It doesn't say what specific crime, and in fact, it's pretty vague what kinds of crimes qualify.
	For a while, a lot of us talked about, well, can they use a federal crime because states cannot enforce federal law.
	What we learned today is that Alvin Bragg instead used a New York law, a New York election law, which is a misdemeanor.
	Very interesting, because Alvin Bragg used a misdemeanor, added a misdemeanor to it, and got a felony.
	Is that how the law works?
	Does 1 plus 1 equal 2?
	Does misdemeanor plus misdemeanor equal felony?
	No, ordinarily it doesn't.
	Yeah, unless it's President Trump.
	You can't say, misdemeanor, falsification of business records.
	Misdemeanor, state election law.
	Add them together, felony!
	Unless you're in a fever dream and you hate President Trump.
	Alright, that's enough.
	That's the truth.
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	That was very good.
	Let's call that, um... Yeah.
	Um... The Legal Breakdown.
	of Alvin Bragg's indictment of President Trump.
	Okay.
	Want to wait for a bit before calling, Chris?
	Uh, yeah.
	Give him half a minute.
	Give him 90 seconds.
	I'll keep the phones blocked for now.
	Uh, no.
	You can release them.
	Alrighty.
	Just put it on hold if you can for me, Alex.
	until we get the guest drive running
	okay Yep, there they go.
	Okay, and that's a full call at work.
	Oh my gosh!
	Tantantannan!
	Bless you, John.
	Thank you.
	I'll go ahead and dial the man.
	The man.
	It's one of these.
	I know it's one of these.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay, Skype channel one.
	Alright, I'm gonna use Rubio and then Maddow with Chris.
	Okay.
	Want mics on or off for Chris?
	You can leave them on.
	Okay.
	Okay, this is ringing at the far end.
	And... Hello?
	Hello, Chris.
	How's it going?
	Good.
	How you doing?
	Is that Mr. American Greatness?
	The one and only.
	The one and only.
	Greetings, sir.
	Are we having fun yet?
	I am.
	I'm having a fantastic time.
	I've got to tell you something that Gina and I were just hysterically laughing over yesterday when we saw it.
	Which, have you seen the t-shirts that the president is selling of his mugshot?
	No!
	Where?
	There's a t-shirt on the website.
	You can buy them through, like, Winrad.
	It's the mugshot, and underneath, in big block letters, it says, not guilty.
	Oh my gosh, that is genius!
	That is a... That's a power move.
	That is a wicked power move.
	Alright, I gotta find that image right now.
	Where is it?
	Store?
	Let's go to store.
	WinRed, yeah.
	It's struggling to load for me.
	Where is it?
	I need it.
	Top of the website.
	Hang on, I'm looking at it.
	I don't see it!
	I don't see it on WinRed.
	Is it on Save America Pack?
	Must be Save America Pack.
	I'm not seeing it on WinRed.
	I'll text it to you right now.
	Thanks, buddy.
	We need to... We need to put that up on the screen.
	I will tell you something.
	This is a very interesting like there were I can think of.
	Literally 10 or 20 people that I know who are like very like they're high dollar donors, love Trump, supported him from 16 through 21.
	And then the six months they were like, I love Trump, but maybe it's time to move on.
	Like, maybe DeSantis.
	You know, kind of a little wishy-washy.
	But these are not anti-Trump people.
	These are, like, they're down for the whole thing.
	Yeah.
	The past week, a bunch of them have been like, this guy's amazing.
	All right.
	All right.
	We've got to talk about that.
	We're going to have fun.
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	Hold on to your horses.
	OK.
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	Who better to analyze the insanity of what was it?
	It was 25 hours ago.
	Exactly what happened in the last 25 hours.
	And the man who he just he goes by Call him Mr. American Greatness.
	The founder of the website, Chris Buskirk!
	It's been too long!
	Sure has, thanks for having me.
	Looking forward to this.
	Alright, so so much to talk about.
	We'll talk about the little thing you discussed in the break.
	Got some clips, some superb clips I want to get your response to.
	But first, I want your unvarnished Analysis of the last 25 hours, especially we played clips already in the open of Bragg's mind-numbing presser, and then the president at Mar-a-Lago.
	Give us your unvarnished analysis.
	You know, of all the things I've ever been asked to talk about, this is like the easiest one.
	Anybody, anybody with a room temperature IQ, and even if that room happens to be a walk-in freezer, can understand what's going on here.
	This is obviously a highly politicized attack on the president.
	This is also the culmination of a really weird fetish that the left has had in this country for the past five or six years.
	It has been memed into reality in a certain sense, but from the left, not from the right, which is we're going to see Trump in handcuffs.
	He's going to do the perp walk.
	All these things and they just basically change a law or a series of laws in the state of New York in order to turn what is at worst maybe sort of a paper crime at worst and turn that into a felony.
	Why?
	Because they hate Donald Trump.
	They hate what he stands for and they hate the people who support him.
	All right, I've got to do this sanity check with you, and you're in the perfect position to help me out here.
	The website is amgreatness.com, amgreatness.com.
	Because there's two competing theories, and they're bloody diametrically opposed.
	One of them is, oh, the devilish Democrats.
	They want him to be more popular.
	They want him to garner sympathy from the base, because he's the easiest one to defeat.
	They want to run against Donald Trump.
	And then there's the other version, which is the opposite, the obverse, which is what I subscribe to.
	No, bollocks.
	They detest this man.
	They've been trying to destroy him for seven years.
	They literally want him in an orange jumpsuit.
	Chris, you can't have it both ways.
	Which is it?
	You tell me.
	Yeah, no, it is primarily the latter.
	It really is just this really diabolical hatred of Donald Trump.
	It is motivated Everything that you have seen thrown at him since 2015.
	Think about his presidency.
	We go from the Russia collusion hoax to the Ukraine hoax to two impeachments.
	It is a very weird, weird and sick thing that is going on in the mind of the American left.
	A mutual friend of ours likes to say that the left hates themselves and it makes them hate everybody else.
	Uh, and it's true.
	It really is just, uh, it really is just about the destruction, uh, of everything, uh, that is good and true in this country.
	And you know, Donald Trump was the, was the sort of the voice of, of the forgotten man in America.
	And they don't like that.
	They don't like him.
	Everything about Donald Trump is anathema to the left.
	And yeah, I don't think this is 9D chess.
	This is just pure unvarnished hatred.
	Yeah, I think you're absolutely right.
	Well, let's talk about the recent developments.
	Let's share your little anecdote.
	No names, no pack drill that you shared with me in the break.
	But let's start because I think it's indicative of what you shared with me.
	This is Marco Rubio.
	No big Trumpster who did a kind of weird video like he's some white suburban woman in his minivan sitting in his car with a baseball cap.
	This is Senator Rubio's take.
	Put aside for a moment whether you like Trump or not like him, whether you're for him or not for him.
	Today is a bad day for all of us.
	Today, American politics crosses a line that it's never going to come back from.
	After today, after today, especially on the basis of how ridiculous these charges are, after today, every but prosecutor in America that wants to make a name for themselves now is going to have permission to basically go after someone in the other party.
	That's interesting, isn't it?
	And then share your story also.
	Yeah, I mean, I don't know what to say about the TikTok video you just showed me.
	Yeah, look, the true thing about this is that we have in fact crossed a line that we did not want to cross in this country and it is the line to sort of, you know, sort of third world politics where you criminalize all politics and prosecutors go after the political opposition anytime they can.
	You look at a country like, for instance, Brazil, you know, the current president Lula was in prison immediately before, for legitimate corruption.
	Nobody even disagrees on the facts on that.
	He gets out of prison and he runs for president and wins in a very unusual election.
	Unusual meaning it was, in quotes, fortified.
	But then they're now looking at going after Bolsonaro there.
	This is, like, America has really been unique.
	In the country, or in the world, I should say, in that we have not gone down this path until now.
	And prosecutors, whether it be state attorneys general or district attorneys in some of the cities, they have quite a bit of prosecutorial power.
	And to lower the office and to demean the office and the law to go after Donald Trump because you hate him pathologically, it harms the entire country.
	Let me kind of leave that there because I know the other subject you want me to get to is something that I think is interesting and maybe has some pretty big consequences for the election and for the country, and that's this.
	Is that, you know, over the past, maybe call it six months, uh, I have talked to a number of people that I'm very friendly with who are, let's say they're in the, broadly speaking in the donor class of the Republican party.
	And I know like a lot of people will be listening and go, Oh my God, not that.
	No, these are people who have been very supportive of Donald Trump.
	We've got, we've got 30 seconds in this segment.
	We're going to keep, keep you over.
	They thought they were toying with the idea of moving on.
	Of leaving Trump.
	Of leaving Trump, not because they didn't like him, but just thought maybe it was just time to turn the page.
	In the past week, I have seen 80 plus percent of those people that are in my mind say, you know what?
	Nobody could take the pressure like Donald Trump can.
	This would have broken anybody else.
	I'm back on Team Trump and I'm there 100 percent.
	And I think that's real telling.
	Now that's really important, but the question is, can that support, that commitment be extended for the next 21 months?
	That's the challenge.
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	So do you agree that the challenge is going to be keeping that level of commitment engaged? - Yeah.
	Yeah, but I think the momentum seems to have changed.
	The people that I'm thinking of, they're indicative of a certain subset of our base, right?
	I mean, these are like smart, accomplished, wealthy people like that.
	A lot of those people didn't like Trump.
	These were people who were real Trumpers and they were considering just like, oh, you know, Trump's getting older.
	Right.
	Maybe he doesn't have the fight left in him.
	Like, let's try and bring up a new generation.
	They weren't like crazy thoughts.
	Right.
	But what they've seen now has moved them.
	And so now it's like it's I think it would be hard to move them again.
	We'll see, but I just think the mountain that DeSantis has to climb just got a lot steeper.
	It was steep to begin with, but it got a lot steeper.
	Yeah, no, I agree.
	I completely agree.
	All right, we're going to talk about Rachel Maddow.
	We're going to have some fun.
	Anything else important you want to hit?
	Uh, I think, like, I think all this Trump stuff is super interesting, so, yeah, we're like, we're back in the thick of it for the next however many months, 18 months.
	Alright, I'm gonna ask you, uh, the second question's gonna be, what advice would you give him when it comes to communications?
	Okay.
	Alright, I made it into Rolling Stone.
	Did you really?
	What for this time?
	For, for, posting that video of me Um, throwing all my Bud Lights into the trash.
	Nice.
	Me and Kid Rock.
	Kid Rock is great.
	Oh man.
	Now when are you going to make it on the cover of the Rolling Stone?
	Oh, yeah.
	If I'm ever on the cover of Rolling Stone, you should ban me from American Greatness.
	I figure it's when you come out with your greatest hits album.
	Yeah, right, right.
	When I finally let my hair down and start singing on live radio to three million people, which is not out of the question.
	I have been known, have I not, Alex, to trip the light fantastic at the end of certain segments when the music grabs me, right?
	That is true.
	I may just have to sing again today.
	You and Jim Hanson could have your own little duo going in that case.
	Oh yeah, because he plays the guitar, right?
	But can he sing, is the question.
	Maybe a karaoke segment.
	Oh, you know, that is my kind of perverse...
	Um, what shall I call it?
	Perverse, not goal.
	But I've always wondered if I could do karaoke.
	Have you ever done karaoke, Chris?
	I have.
	I have.
	Did you enjoy it?
	Did you embarrass your whole family?
	Both.
	As it should be.
	Perfect answer.
	As it should be.
	Oh, I loved it.
	I mean, I'm not saying anybody else loved it, but I had a great time.
	But that's not the point!
	That's not the point.
	Alright.
	I mean, of the two prerequisites to getting on the cover of Rolling Stone, I'd much prefer an album to having to blow up the Boston Marathon, but that's just me.
	Dude, that is not a good joke.
	I just remember that happening.
	I was like, oh my gosh.
	Yeah, he was on the cover.
	That was a big deal, remember?
	CVS and a bunch of them pulled Rolling Stone from that.
	And then I became one of the experts for the trial.
	I actually worked for the DA in Boston.
	I didn't know that.
	Did you not read my analysis?
	I had to do a whole analysis of the Jihadi ideology that informed the Tsarnaev brothers.
	15 seconds.
	Mic's off.
	I'll send it to you.
	It's good.
	- Yeah, I'd like to see that. - Hi, this is President this is President Trump and Sebastian is really a friend of mine.
	He's a great guy.
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	Not yet, Alex, not yet.
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	I'm in a really good mood today.
	I don't know whether it's talking to you or whether, you know, Mar-a-Lago last night kind of was the Philip I needed, but it's also to do with the mainstream media's response.
	As President Trump started talking last night after being the first president to ever be indicted in the Republic's history, this is what Rachel Maddow did.
	Cut six.
	Let me just say, just as a moment of business here, and then I'll come to you in just one second, I need to tell you that right now, the former president himself is making remarks tonight from his home in Florida.
	As far as we can tell, and what we were prepared for here, is that this is basically a campaign speech in which he is repeating his same lies and allegations against his perceived enemies.
	It is just getting started.
	So far, he's just giving his normal list of grievances.
	We don't consider that necessarily newsworthy, and there's a cost to us as a news organization of knowingly broadcasting untrue things.
	Our deal with you is that we will monitor these remarks.
	If he does say anything newsworthy, we will turn them around and report on that right away.
	But for now, just know that it's happening and we're not taking it.
	There is a cost to us as a news organization for knowingly broadcasting things we know to be untrue.
	Like the Russia hoax?
	Or President Trump's tax returns, perhaps, Rachel?
	Chris, she should become a stand-up comic.
	I thought it was very funny.
	I was laughing through that entire clip you just played.
	That was fantastic.
	That actually made my entire day.
	To watch that performance, I did not realize that Comedy Central had changed over to MSNBC, but that was fantastic.
	Thank you.
	Wasn't that great?
	I mean, Jimmy Kimmel, Seth Meyer, all these, you know, Stephen Colbert who are now literally psychotic TDS patients.
	They should just hand over their shows to Rachel Maddow.
	I mean, you know, she only does one hour a week.
	She's very funny.
	She's like, it's like I Love Lucy over there.
	All right, let's get more serious.
	People are coming back to President Trump.
	You've talked about the people you've spoken to who said, OK, that's it.
	This is the guy who can win it.
	He's leading between 20 and 32 points ahead of Ron DeSantis, the next challenger.
	What would your advice... I mean, you know MAGA.
	You know America First.
	You've built this amazing site around this concept of reinvigorating national sovereignty and fighting for the American dream.
	What is your advice to President Trump for the next 21 months?
	Yeah, look, far be it from me to give the master advice on doing media or press or anything like that, but I would say this, and it really is that he should play to his strengths.
	And the thing that he, I've always thought the thing that he is just really, really good at is when he gets out, into the country with the people.
	And so, you know, we had the Waco rally, what was it, a week or so ago, do more of that.
	Like that is like that energizes people that brings people physically together.
	And then the people who can't be physically there, it brings them virtually together.
	There's a lot of sort of virtual online meetups and people watch it on TV or will they watch it on streaming or whatever.
	I think I really do think that the rallies are one of the the strongest things that Donald Trump could do.
	And the more of those that he does, I think the better.
	And then when it comes to, if you had to pick one thing that is the big message, of course it was the wall and the border last time.
	Does he talk about the deep state?
	What is the big thing that will bring in the others, like you talked about, and then make the tent even bigger?
	Because that was 74 million people.
	What is the most important issue for the next year and a half?
	I think, I'm not sure about the issue.
	I would frame it just slightly differently than that.
	I mean, I think we know what the issues are.
	The middle class is getting smaller, it's getting poor, getting less secure.
	There are a lot of cuts on that, like immigration impacts that, China trade impacts that.
	There's a lot of things on that.
	What I would say is this, is that when Donald Trump was, especially in 2015 and 16, When he was talking about himself, not about what you can do for him against the powers that be, but what he can do for you.
	That's when he was at his strongest.
	In other words, when he's the tribune of the people against a corrupt ruling class who has been shearing them like sheep, that is the way to talk about all of these issues.
	It's what he's going to do.
	It's that moment at the RNC convention when he said, her motto is, I'm with her.
	He looked at the camera and said, I'm with you.
	That's when he won it.
	Genius, Chris.
	Follow this man at the Chris Buskirk.
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	Do you know anybody who might do that?
	I think I know somebody who might send you a thousand words on that.
	I would love it.
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	Thanks, Chris.
	Bye.
	Yeah, likewise.
	Bye.
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	Um, title for that one?
	Um, Trump Tribune of the People.
	Tribune of the people.
	I like it.
	My pillow. - Yeah.
	Alright!
	For a moment I thought you were going to volunteer me to write that piece.
	I would never do that.
	You're too overworked as it is, little Eric.
	And I already did write a commentary piece for them the other day.
	Oh, you did?
	Right after Trump's, a couple days after the indictment, yeah.
	The final fight begins now, is what I called it.
	Let's field a call three.
	Yeah Okay, we're gonna we're gonna line four first
	Okay Okay Okay Okay Okay Okay
	Okay Okay Okay Okay Okay Okay Thank you.
	The only thing tonight...
	Oh, sorry.
	Spicer tonight, 5.15.
	That's it, right?
	Uh, yes.
	Let me double check.
	I'm pretty sure that's only it.
	Didn't you have an interview at like 1 this morning?
	I did.
	Oof.
	That's why I needed that iced coffee.
	I was going to say, when did you get to sleep?
	Thank you.
	America First.
	MAGA-nificent.
	Keep playing that Monty Python song nice and loud, Alex.
	keep playing it it's so good Oh my gosh, I love Monty Python!
	So far from Japan, so close to Russia.
	Why are we playing Monty Python's Finland, Finland, Finland song?
	You can kill it now, thank you, I'm talking.
	Because Finland has joined NATO!
	One of the greatest things Vladimir Putin has ever achieved is to actually get one of the most neutral nations in the world that never wanted to do that, to actually join.
	And as my son asked me, hey dad, What's the big advantage of Finland joining NATO?
	I think it's got like an 800 mile long border with Russia.
	And I said, son, well, at least now NATO will have a country that really knows how to kill Russians.
	If you don't know your history, check it out.
	Finland's war with Russia.
	Yeah, they know how to kill commies.
	All right.
	Congratulations to Finland for joining the most successful military alliance in the world.
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	Alright, let's go to Diana in Utah!
	Hi, Sebastian.
	Thank you.
	I am wondering if President Trump could eventually, will this be a case that could be appealed and go to the United States Supreme Court?
	It better not.
	It better be thrown out by the judge in December.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I hope so.
	I hope so.
	It's a bloody travesty.
	It's a bloody travesty.
	It's terrible.
	Yeah, great question.
	Let's go to Tim Missouri.
	Hey, Dr. G. Thanks for taking my call.
	Hey, I have a suggestion for a new t shirt.
	Yes.
	You take a bunch of bananas, say four or five.
	And on each one, you put a picture of Biden, Harris, Bragg, Mayorkas.
	Let's put Mayorkas on one of the bananas.
	Mayorkas.
	And underneath it, you write, Welcome To the Banana Republic of America.
	I like it.
	Let's put the image up.
	Sorry, I forgot to mention it.
	Thank you so much, Tim.
	This is the genius t-shirt that's now available on President Trump's campaign website.
	Chris Buskirk mentioned it during the call and it's, you know, just an absolutely perfect example of how to do it.
	It's a mugshot of President Trump.
	Which of course never happened.
	And underneath it says, not guilty.
	Bloody genius.
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	Let's go to Jordan in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
	Hey, good afternoon, Dr. Gorka.
	Hey.
	I tell you, I am jazzed up after watching and listening to President Trump's speech last night.
	At least for me personally, it was like a shot in the arm.
	I thought it was fantastic.
	Why do you think last night?
	Because it was very unusual.
	It wasn't the usual turn of President Trump.
	He stayed, I think, on prompt for the whole thing, and it was perhaps the shortest speech he's given outside of the Rose Garden.
	I think it was just because it was concise and to the point.
	No dilly-dallying around.
	He got right to it.
	I think that's what I like the most out of it.
	There was no niceties or anything.
	He just stuck to what needs to be done and he nailed it.
	No dilly-dallying.
	No shilly-shallying either, as I like to say.
	Tucker had a take on it.
	I think it agrees with you, Jordan.
	Let's listen to Tucker Carlson last night.
	Cut five.
	He became the first ever former American president to be indicted, now arraigned.
	Charges that seem not only weak, but in fact vaporous, may not actually exist.
	But Trump's seeming pretty much unrattled.
	And in fact, if you haven't checked in with him and his public appearances over the last two years, you may have noticed he seemed a lot looser, really, than he did when last we saw him.
	He did.
	He did.
	He was in full control, full command.
	And as Lord Blank said yesterday, right after the arraignment, and he's a former media mogul, he's a presidential historian, he said what?
	President Trump has every right to be spitting mad.
	To give a really aggressive and angry speech.
	And he didn't.
	And that's another reason.
	I tweeted two things out this morning to all of my supporters, friends and people who were undecided in the last two years.
	What's the reason to support President Trump?
	It's very easy.
	Who do you think the establishment and the Democrats hate the most?
	Why are they doing this to him?
	Because they fear him the most.
	That in and of itself is the reason to support him.
	As I said when I was in the White House, when the incoming was being fired at us, As the Air Force says, you're only taking flak when you're over the target.
	If this is the man they want to destroy the most, he is the man they are most afraid of, and that's why he deserves your support.
	It's the only metric you need.
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	Max on.
	Come in with cut to.
	Cut two.
	Blowing through our cuts today.
	We used like half of them in just opening segment.
	Yeah, I was remembering that the sniper with the most recorded kills in history was from Finland.
	Finland, yes.
	The white death.
	The white death.
	So good.
	Cold brew coffee.
	It's scary.
	I feel buzzed.
	Is it too much?
	That's what I needed.
	I was like dragging my ass this morning.
	I needed it.
	It was a long day today.
	Oh, yesterday.
	It was a long day.
	It was a long day for all of us, I do believe.
	Mm-hmm.
	Again, watching those election results was not... I mean, right away it was obvious what happened in Wisconsin.
	We knew it was going to be a blowout, but the Chicago race, it looked like... Yeah, but Wisconsin, hang on, supermajority.
	Supermajority, yeah, that's good, but... They can actually impeach judges.
	I think what it comes down to is that that was just a turnout issue.
	They just got their side turned out way more than we did.
	Well, and outspent.
	I think they outspent them by, like, 7 million or 8 million.
	It's huge.
	Something like that, yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's all about the turnout game.
	A friend pointed out that like, again, we barely- and Jeff has said this too, that like, we barely lost those three Rust Belt states in 2020.
	And that was when they had the biggest ballot harvesting operation in the world on their side, and we didn't.
	Yes.
	And we still only barely lost, so.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	15 seconds.
	Coming in with cut 2.
	No liar.
	As it turns out, virtually everybody that has looked at this case, including rhinos and even hardcore Democrats, say there is no crime and that it should never have been brought.
	Thank you.
	Never have been brought.
	Everybody.
	Even people that aren't big fans have said it.
	They said, this is not the right thing to do.
	It's an insult to our country as the world is already laughing at us.
	One of the most important things we're not discussing adequately, we touched upon it yesterday on our Newsmax coverage of yesterday's events, is how this looks to the world.
	What they think about this.
	Not just our enemies, but also our friends that we have moved closer to a banana republic.
	If you support the President, you need to show it right now.
	We did this so you would have the easiest way possible to support the President.
	If you don't have a flagpole, buy the t-shirt.
	It's very simple.
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	Alright, he's been waiting patiently somewhere in Los Angeles.
	Brent!
	Greetings to you!
	Great God and freedom-loving Gorka!
	Greetings, my friend.
	What would you like to share with us today?
	Well, on this frightening, dark, and perversely pagan eve, ushering in God's Passover and Easter, Let us all pray for every American to again be reinvigorated, reinspired, and recommitted to God's desire for us to become free men and women, and to freely choose His morality, mandated at Mount Sinai, for all mankind.
	And may we all be resurrected to the divine glory of what it truly means to be human, And so, may there be a new revival of freedom, righteousness, kindness, truth, and brotherhood, and may God bless America.
	Beautifully put, one of your best.
	I don't think it's an accident that what we are witnessing in the last few days and weeks, the political persecution of the 45th President of the United States, is occurring when?
	It's occurring in this holy season of Lent and Passover.
	I don't want to read too much into that, but it is a reminder that if you cleave to the truth, if you stand by the truth, and the truth is eternal, Then you will be buffeted.
	You will be assaulted by the diabolical forces here on Earth.
	The Earth is, you know, the Dark One's kingdom.
	God's kingdom is the Hereafter.
	And if you are suffering right now, like President Trump is suffering, it's because you are fighting for the truth and you are defending the most vulnerable.
	Thank you, Brent.
	Beautifully put.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First.
	Wow.
	Is that already the first hour down?
	That's insane!
	You don't want to miss our one-on-one in the third hour.
	We'll be back momentarily with Hour 2. Hour 2.
	Hour 2.
	Good news from Wisconsin, as well as bad news.
	We'll tell you what it means for 2024.
	And definitely bad news for Stormy Daniels.
	She has now lost $600,000 in damages to my boss, the former president of the United States.
	But you won't hear that in the mainstream media.
	That's why we are here.
	And we're also going to celebrate the enlargement of the most successful military alliance in modern history.
	Yes, Finland!
	Those brave warriors who know how to kill Russians.
	They've joined the alliance.
	It's hour two, America First, Salem News Channel.
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	Hello, Jen.
	How's it going?
	Yay!
	Sorry, they were doing a little shuffling in the studio and I think time got away from everybody.
	That's quite all right.
	It's obviously a very busy news cycle these days.
	Oh my gosh.
	Is there anything going on?
	How about the Dodgers?
	Oh yeah, I love basketball.
	Basketball.
	Basketball's my favorite.
	Oh, there's no head in that shot.
	Okay.
	All you have is a studio with no head.
	Hold on.
	Alright, yeah, we're answering that Skype call right about now.
	We're in, it's just not the camera's, for some reason, not showing me.
	Oh, okay.
	Uh, we're gonna have to call you back real fast.
	Call you back real fast.
	On Skype?
	Oh, okay.
	How do we usually do this?
	You... This goes, like, uh, settings... Audio... Mics are on, by the way.
	Oh, there she is.
	Where's the visage of my Salem colleague?
	Here it comes!
	I'm dressed like the Easter Bunny today.
	There we go.
	Valkyrie or Easter Bunny?
	You choose.
	Either one.
	How's it going?
	Easter bunny with a sword.
	How about that?
	There you go.
	I like that.
	A fighter bunny.
	Fighter bunny.
	We're going to make the ninja bunny.
	Like the Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
	The vorpal bunny.
	Watch out!
	He'll bite your flippin' head off!
	Fetch the holy hand grenade of Antioch.
	That shall count to three.
	Four is too much and five is out of the question.
	Skip ahead a little brother.
	Very good.
	What's your favorite color?
	Blue?
	No red?
	I warned you, but did you listen?
	No!
	How do you know he's the king?
	because he's not covered in shit.
	I'll do that for the next few hours.
	America First, Mexico. Mexico.
	Magnificent.
	Question is, should I just spend the next two hours reciting Monty Python skits?
	Let's ask somebody who may have an opinion.
	She's my Salem colleague, our West Coast warrior princess, Jennifer Horne!
	Should we just do Monty Python?
	What do you think?
	Absolutely!
	It beats the reality of the situation, doesn't it?
	I mean, when Monty Python's way better than reality, I think you gotta just embrace it.
	Alright, Alex, just play a little bit of the song we used earlier, because it's a good new song.
	Do you have that available, Mr. Alex?
	Nice and loud.
	Finland, Finland, Finland.
	The country I want to be.
	Finland, Finland, Finland.
	And...
	OK, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
	I cannot indulge my childhood too much, or can I?
	That was lovely, by the way.
	It's my radio show.
	And we're going to play that music on Rumble, by the way.
	Eric, stop cutting out the music on our Rumble footage.
	We are celebrating.
	Finland has joined NATO.
	Well done to the Finns, a nation that actually knows how to kill Russians.
	Happy Wednesday, Jennifer Horn.
	Happy Wednesday to you on that note, killing Russians.
	Hello!
	Yes, well, you know, we can celebrate doing that because when they're invading other people's countries that are independent, they should be killed in large numbers because that's naughty.
	You shouldn't do that, Vladimir.
	All right, let's talk about the last 25 hours.
	I'm actually in a surprisingly good mood.
	I was cheered up in the first hour by our colleague, Chris Buskirk, who says, A lot of people he's been talking to are coming back into the fold after the last 10 days because they've said nobody else can take it, nobody else is going to fight like President Trump.
	Give us your unvarnished appreciation of the last 25 hours.
	Well, I have a tip, which I will tell you in just a moment.
	When you're feeling a little down in the dumps, I found a way to cheer myself up.
	But the last 24 hours, I think, have been disgraceful.
	I think that we should be embarrassed that our country is paying attention to this.
	When you have things like Russia invading Ukraine going on, when you have China trying to take the place of the United States in the globe, our economy is making people suffer.
	There are a lot of things that are really big that need attention.
	But instead, we are focused on this ridiculous political axe grinding DA in Manhattan who I don't think surprised anybody.
	Maybe people were surprised that there was really nothing to his big 34 felony counts.
	This guy was charge stacking and he was doing it against the direction.
	That's the phrase I've been searching for for the last 24 hours in the coverage we did for Newsmax.
	I couldn't remember the phrase.
	Charge stacking.
	Thank you, Jennifer.
	And they do that to make people look guilty, right?
	So you take lots of little misdemeanors and you think, oh, I can I can use a mirror and I can multiply this and make it look really bad.
	Because for those people who are low information out there, they hear, oh, 34 felony counts.
	Oh my goodness.
	Even though it's based, and I don't even want to say based on one crime because there was no crime there, but it's based on one action.
	But they then extrapolate everything that they can to stack charges out so that people wandering around hating Donald Trump go, oh, well, 34 felony charges.
	But I found a little trick.
	I was watching... Does it have to do with Monty Python?
	I'm sure it does.
	No?
	What?
	It doesn't.
	But you know, everybody always tells me, you know, you always stay optimistic.
	You always seem to be in a good mood, even when the news cycle is rough.
	You do, Jen.
	You really bring a sparkle and a sunshine to your listeners.
	Thank you.
	Well, I was trying to figure out how to do that yesterday because yesterday was one of those days where you I was watching the coverage and I'll just I'll say I was watching the coverage on Fox News.
	And even though Fox is not super pro-Trump at the moment, they still are a little more favorable to him than, let's say, CNN or MSNBC.
	And so you have a lot of people on there, legal experts, probably friends of ours that we would share in common, who are saying, you know, how ridiculous this is and it's a terrible day for America.
	And all of a sudden you start to feel like you're really down in the dumps.
	So I changed the channel.
	I can't believe I'm saying this.
	And I turned on CNN.
	And my mood turned around like 180 degrees.
	I was chipper.
	I was happy.
	And I realized why.
	Did you start laughing?
	Yes, they are so ridiculous.
	When I heard Van Jones say that he wished that this would have been not so thin, that he wished that there was more, I thought, you know what, all of a sudden I feel pretty darn good.
	And then you watch the coverage of President Trump at Mar-a-Lago, your coverage on Newsmax, and all of a sudden you go, you know what, this is going to be okay.
	So my suggestion to all of you, it may seem a little weird, But if you ever start to feel down in the dumps, turn on CNN or MSNBC, you will be slapped in the face by their ridiculousness, and it'll bring you right back to reality that everything is okay.
	And as you mentioned, Seb, people who are Republicans, who are maybe thinking, you know what, I don't know, maybe we need someone new.
	We need something fresh.
	We need somebody without the baggage that President Trump comes with.
	Those people are now saying, we need to make a statement that this is unacceptable in our country.
	We need to stand firm.
	And those people are coming back to President Trump in droves.
	And I think that old Alvin Bragg over there, well, he did nothing but deliver the election to President Trump.
	And I would also say the person who should be really upset today is not Don Jr.
	It's not Eric.
	It's not Ivanka.
	It's not Donald Trump himself.
	It should be Joe Biden and Hunter Biden and Jim Biden because now that this ding-dong in New York has set precedence to now go after a former or current president for nothing, Guess what, Joe?
	Where is that money that you took going to come from?
	Let's see your QuickBooks.
	Let's look at your accounting records, pal, because I can tell you that they were pushing that stuff under the rug, and they are on the hook for much more serious crimes than President Trump could ever dream up.
	So watch out.
	It should be a tough day for the Biden family today.
	All right, let's, especially on that note, because this is exactly what he said.
	This is Senator Marco Rubio in a funky TikTok video he filmed inside of his car with a similar message.
	Let's play that cut.
	This is cut seven.
	Put aside for a moment whether you like Trump or not like him, whether you're for him or not for him.
	Today is a bad day for all of us.
	Today, American politics crosses a line that it's never going to come back from.
	After today, after today, especially on the basis of how ridiculous these charges are, after today, every but prosecutor in America that wants to make a name for themselves now is going to have permission to basically go after someone in the other party.
	Now, there's a couple of ways of looking at this.
	There are those who say, you know, the line has been crossed and conservative DAs and sheriffs are going to do this.
	My response is the following.
	No, because most establishment conservatives are cowards.
	Just look at the judges refusing to even hear cases after the 2020 election.
	And what I would like to see is not us Ginning up fake charges like Alvin Bragg, I would like to see men or women of fortitude actually, I don't know, arrest people like Alejandro Mayorkas.
	If you're a sheriff on the southern border, you should be arresting the Secretary for Homeland Security for aiding and abetting the cartels.
	I have no problem with that, but I don't think it's going to happen.
	What do you think, Jennifer?
	You know, I do think it's always a testament to the strength of the Republican backbone, right?
	Do we have the ability to be tough and to act in ways that are appropriate?
	I don't want to see Republicans ginning up offenses just to take down the other guys.
	That's not good for our country.
	And that should come first.
	But I don't think it is by coincidence that these charges in New York were brought up and were brought out in a time when it really seemed to surprise everybody, right?
	Out of nowhere, they were going to send the grand jury on vacation for a month.
	It seemed that these charges kind of popped up the same time when the bank transaction fees were being looked at in Congress, all from the Biden administration and how they were funneling money from the Chinese corporations into their own bank account.
	So I don't think any of this is by surprise.
	And I do think there are people out there who might be able to lead the charge.
	Again, Ken Paxton is no slouch.
	These other attorneys general out there may say, hey, wait a second, we need to look into some things.
	Now, what's the jurisdiction?
	We'll have to see.
	Is someone in Biden's home state going to be willing to do that?
	I don't know.
	I don't want to see them overdo it.
	But certainly if there are crimes to be prosecuted, these are things that you could call treasonous.
	I mean, this is really serious stuff.
	It's not a nondisclosure agreement that was legal in the first place.
	And which occurred seven years ago.
	Let's be clear.
	The, what do you call it?
	Charge stacking?
	You can't have, you know, felony plus felony.
	No, misdemeanor plus misdemeanor equals felony.
	That's not how it works.
	We even have a cut from the mainstream media.
	Let's play this.
	This is Dali Cervalos NBC.
	Great cut.
	Cut ten.
	We got the misdemeanor.
	But New York law allows, this is where it gets really confusing, New York law allows that to become a felony if the false entry was also in furtherance of or to conceal a crime.
	It doesn't say what specific crime, and in fact, it's pretty vague what kinds of crimes qualify.
	For a while, a lot of us talked about, well, can they use a federal crime because states cannot enforce federal law.
	What we learned today is that Alvin Bragg instead used a New York law, a New York election law, which is a misdemeanor.
	Very interesting, because Alvin Bragg used a misdemeanor, added a misdemeanor to it, and got a felony.
	Is that how the law works?
	Does 1 plus 1 equal 2?
	Does misdemeanor plus misdemeanor equal felony?
	No, ordinarily it doesn't.
	Yeah, unless the person you're talking about is the Republican former president and the leader of the opposition.
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	That's what they were doing, just cut and paste and stack them up.
	How do they find out about the event?
	Do they just go to your website?
	am590.info is a good place.
	am590.info, okay.
	Yeah, it should be fun.
	Oh, it will be fun.
	You're in charge, aren't you?
	It's got to be fun.
	Please, please.
	We're gonna have a great time.
	am590.info.
	What am I doing here?
	That's what I always ask myself.
	It's a really philosophical question.
	What are any of us doing here?
	What are we doing here?
	We are fighting evil every day.
	All right.
	Why are we still here?
	Just to suffer?
	Gosh.
	I'm telling you, it turned my whole mood around watching CNN yesterday.
	That was the best thing I could have ever done.
	These people.
	Oh, here we go.
	Here we go.
	Unite Inland Empire!
	There you are.
	Right.
	Who's that dude?
	Who's Jack Hibbs?
	He is, I think you've met him before, Pastor Jack Hibbs, pretty big deal in Southern California.
	He leads lots of fight.
	He tries to get Christians engaged with politics and really good guy.
	Was he involved in fighting the COVID shutdowns?
	Yes, huge.
	And then we've also got a law enforcement panel, which will be fun, with Sheriff Villanueva and Chad Bianco, who's the Sheriff of Riverside County, and Mike Hestron, who's the Riverside County DA.
	So these are actually guys who are fighting the fight.
	Sheriff Villanueva, there's an interesting story I sent you today about the Board of Supervisors.
	They aced him out of L.A.
	County Sheriff, and a big reason was revealed this week.
	They want to decarcerate It's really George Soros.
	That policy really is George Soros.
	It is.
	It's absolutely what it is.
	It's where it comes from.
	anybody under $50,000 bail, catch and release.
	You wouldn't even have people arrested anymore.
	Yeah.
	Same thing in New York.
	Meanwhile, he has time to go after Trump, but...
	It's really George Soros.
	That policy really is George Soros.
	It is.
	It's absolutely what it is.
	It's where it comes from.
	And it's insane.
	Nutty.
	All right.
	I'm going to use cut six and then that TikTok I sent you, Eric.
	Yeah.
	Instagram video.
	Are you on TikTok?
	No.
	No, no, no.
	Never.
	Are you?
	No.
	I don't even know what a TikTok is.
	It's a clock.
	I went on it.
	I went on it a couple of times and it is so diabolical because it's a dopamine hit.
	You keep clicking and then you realize, oh my gosh, I've been here for like 10 minutes.
	When my mom was taking care of my grandfather, she would talk to me.
	Oh, I was watching TikTok.
	I'm like, Mom, what are you doing?
	You can't be doing that.
	And she'd send me videos.
	I'm like, I'm not watching these.
	I'm not starting down your path.
	I'm not doing it.
	And now she got herself off the sauce, so she's all right.
	She's not TikTok-ing anymore.
	Wasn't it his original purpose was for just lip-syncing famous songs?
	Like, that's kind of what it was at first.
	Really?
	That's what it started with.
	But isn't it funny that the Chinese TikTok won't let kids on it for longer?
	Like, it's only certain amounts of time and only certain categories.
	Yeah, but our TikTok can be rotting your brain out.
	They know.
	All right, I'll do Patriot Mobile.
	And then I'll tee up the... Patriot Mobile or Patriot Supply?
	It's Patriot Mobile, isn't it?
	Oh, Alex?
	Yes, yes.
	Okay, okay.
	Yeah.
	Dr. G is ready for anything on America First.
	Always!
	Because you have to be if you're a patriot.
	You have to be ready for anything.
	And you also have to be aware of whether or not you're inadvertently helping the enemy.
	Are you helping the enemy?
	You could be.
	You know why?
	If you have a cell phone and it's connected to one of the big cell phone providers, you know the big ones, you know who I'm talking about.
	Every time you make a call, every time you send a text, you're making money for those who hate you and hate America.
	Why?
	It's not hyperbole.
	They've donated millions of dollars, literally millions of dollars, to causes like pro-abortion entities, Planned Parenthood, gun control organizations.
	Why would you make money for companies like that?
	Instead, do what I do.
	I took all my family's accounts, and I switched them to the only conservative Christian cell phone company in America.
	It's called Patriot Mobile.
	They have the same nationwide 4G, 5G coverage, and they have a performance guarantee.
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	All right, let's have some fun!
	I don't believe he's 93 years old.
	Let's play a video of the Admiral.
	I call him the Admiral because I know he wants to be a captain, but, you know, I recognize that seniority from Starfleet, the one and only Admiral Kirk.
	Sit here.
	You want me to sit here?
	I love him.
	Well, let me tell you, if my hammer offends you... Well, if my hammer offends you... If my measuring rule... That's just my hammer.
	That's just my measuring rule.
	Did you know I didn't bring my measuring tape?
	If you are listening and not watching, that is...
	A rather fetching young lady who Captain Kirk has asked to sit on his lap on his Starfleet-issued mobility scooter.
	Jen, I know you're a buddy of Will Shatner.
	He's still got it at 93, doesn't he?
	He absolutely still has got it.
	And it was just his birthday, gosh, I think a couple weeks ago.
	Yeah.
	And he's doing great.
	Funny, he doesn't even need the mobility scooter.
	I think he just uses it when he goes to big conventions and such just to get around quickly.
	But if all of us could be as lucky as William Shatner at 93 years old.
	And that young lady.
	And that young lady, of course, who was worried about her hammer.
	I thought that was a little... Well, she was wearing a tool belt and she didn't want to poke him in an untoward place.
	I understand that for sure.
	You got to be careful with those tools.
	But yeah, he still definitely, I think, can catch the attention of the ladies, to be sure.
	And you know what?
	The guy is still doing things.
	He's still thinking of all the different projects.
	I mean, for crying out loud, he just went to space.
	And he's got his Celebrity Horror Show coming up again, which is June 3rd.
	You got to go a couple of years ago.
	I did, before COVID.
	It was amazing.
	And he rode in with his wife!
	Like, 89!
	It's amazing.
	He still rides, I think, almost every day.
	The guy's incredible.
	I think that year, actually, he rode a motorcycle across the country for charity.
	So this guy is something else and he keeps himself going.
	And you know what?
	Sometimes it's like that.
	I think when people who have such a zest for life and what they do when they stop, that's when they slow down.
	I don't think Bill Shatner is stopping anytime soon.
	He needs to do that DNA test because I think he might be related to my former boss.
	You think so?
	I think that's actually true.
	I don't know if he'd love the political, you know, justice.
	Look, he's not a liberal.
	He is anti-woke.
	You read his stuff on Twitter.
	That's true.
	He may be Canuck, he may be Canadian, but he hates the woke oristas.
	And that kind of robustness and longevity, I think There may be a little bit of a genetic connection there.
	I've failed to mention it yet.
	Have we got a buffer, Eric, for the event that we will be doing together?
	It is the Unite Inland Empire, April 29th.
	You might recognize some of the faces up there.
	We've got Brandon Tatum.
	We've got yours truly.
	We've got the one and only Jennifer Horne and that rapscallion Grant Stinchfield.
	Are you excited?
	I'm super excited.
	You want to know who I'm very excited to meet?
	He's a friend of yours and a friend of mine and we've never met in person.
	Stephen Moore.
	Oh my gosh.
	Who's our chief economist on the Morning Answer on our radio show and he's fantastic.
	You've never met him?
	He's a regular guest and you've never met him?
	Never in person.
	So we're super excited to meet him in person and have him out there.
	Pastor Jack Sherriff, Alex Villanueva, who is great, a Democrat, a sheriff in L.A.
	County, but anti-woke.
	And he got aced out of his position as L.A.
	County Sheriff by the Board of Supervisors.
	He's fabulous.
	The sheriff, excuse me, the sheriff of Riverside County and the D.A.
	of Riverside County.
	It's going to be great.
	We're gonna have a lot of fun.
	All right, you gotta go, go right now to am590.info, am590.info, if you are in the area of the Inland Empire, join us.
	It was so much fun before, it's gonna be fun again.
	All right, she says, turn on the crazy MSM if you wanna have a little bit of a Philip, a little bit of a cheer up.
	Don't do it for more than four minutes, because then it adds to their ratings, okay?
	Do not keep it under three minutes, okay?
	But if you do it, You can be cheered up by incredible things like this.
	This is the one and only Rachel Madcow, cut six.
	Let me just say, just as a moment of business here, and then I'll come to you in just one second, I need to tell you that right now, the former president himself is making remarks tonight from his home in Florida.
	As far as we can tell, and what we were prepared for here, is that this is basically a campaign speech in which he is repeating his same lies and allegations against his perceived enemies.
	It is just getting started.
	So far, he's just giving his normal list of grievances.
	We don't consider that necessarily newsworthy, and there's a cost to us as a news organization of knowingly broadcasting untrue things.
	Our deal with you is that we will monitor these remarks.
	If he does say anything newsworthy, we will turn them around and report on that right away.
	But for now, just know that it's happening and we're not taking it.
	Forget Monty Python, Rachel Maddow saying, oh, there's a cost to us for lying to you.
	Oh, the sweet, sweet irony, Jen.
	I know.
	I can't wait till his election night.
	Let's get that guy back in the White House.
	We need President Trump in there.
	I want to see Rachel Maddow's tears.
	I think it's interesting, Seb, that she came in.
	You know, she only works like one day a week now, apparently.
	That's what you can do.
	And funny enough, no one even noticed.
	She's paid like 30 million for one hour a week.
	Isn't that crazy?
	And then they wonder why the news business is in trouble.
	But she shows up on a special night just because, you know, liberals were so excited to see an arraignment of President Trump.
	They loved it.
	But, you know, I think they are laughing a little bit now.
	They're not going to be laughing for long.
	And I do think it's interesting, this idea of fact checking.
	I actually went through to see which media sources were actually carrying his speech.
	And I noticed MSNBC was not.
	CNN, Headline News, Fox did.
	Newsmax did.
	Of course, all the conservative sources did.
	But local news, by and large in Los Angeles, everything but the ABC affiliate took the president's speech at least for a little while, at least the first chunk.
	It's not a political thing.
	It's a historic thing.
	It's a sad thing, but it is a historic thing.
	Join us, Inland Empire, with Jennifer Horne.
	And until then, follow her at Jennifer Horne.
	Also, CRNtalk.com, AM 590, AM 870, The Answer.
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	We'll be back with your calls after these messages. - The numbers for the event.
	Oh, you know what?
	They do, but they haven't given me one yet because we just sort of started promoting it a couple weeks ago.
	Oh, okay.
	I'll have to find out.
	But I think they had already sold out all the tables.
	I did hear that.
	Oh, good.
	So, you know, we usually get between, I always thought it was 800, but they tell me upwards of 1,000.
	So it'll be interesting to see how we do.
	Right.
	If you get any updates and you need a hand on social media, just tell them to reach out to me.
	Awesome.
	Thank you so much.
	I will.
	I can't wait.
	It's going to be fun.
	And I hope you guys have a happy Easter.
	Likewise.
	Enjoy.
	I heard you guys have a big morning plan for Easter brunch.
	We do.
	We do with Chris Plant and some buddies.
	Good.
	Well, have a good time.
	Say hi to your mom, your dad, and everyone.
	I will.
	Happy Easter, everybody.
	I'll talk to you next week.
	God bless.
	Bye-bye.
	What was that?
	What was that?
	JFK soundtrack.
	All right, title for that one.
	What did I put down?
	Something about Shatner.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Bill Shatner still got it.
	Hmm.
	Speaking of celebrities, gotta give a shout out here to our buddy Critical Drinker over on YouTube.
	He is live right now with over 10,000 viewers because his special guest is a Mr. Russell Crowe.
	What?
	Critical Drinker?
	Yep.
	He's never had actors, well he's had like B kind of B-listers.
	And that guy Terry Shappard.
	On Critical Drinker?
	Yeah.
	When was that?
	Oh, just ended.
	Okay, premiered about 30 minutes ago.
	It wasn't very long, it was an interview, I guess they said he pre-recorded it before and then it aired as a premiere, so a livestream.
	Wow.
	Good stuff, Mr. Drinker.
	My pillow.
	45 seconds.
	You can book.
	Okay.
	Yep.
	Thank you.
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	Let's go to Rudy in San Jose.
	Rudy, greetings.
	Thank you for taking my call, Mr. Gorka.
	I'm thinking how we can make Trump a lot of money.
	75 million people voted for him.
	Just send $1, he'll have $75 million.
	We got half of that.
	If you guys just put out, everybody's just pushing, everybody send $1 and give them where to send it.
	He could get $75 million if everybody did it.
	Yeah, that's a great idea that everybody should donate something.
	He's made $10 million in just the last few days because of the indictment.
	But Rudy, do you know how expensive politics is in America?
	Yeah, in Wisconsin it was tens of millions of dollars yesterday just for a Supreme Court election which we lost but we did get a supermajority in the Senate so this rabid left-wing judge could actually be Impeached and recalled from that position if she goes crazy.
	But let me give you an example of how out of control it is.
	In the UK they have fixed government spending limits, which I like, but there is of course the First Amendment in America and the idea that you shouldn't limit expenditure on politics.
	But let's go back to 2015-2016.
	Back then, we, in the Trump campaign, spent just over 700 million dollars, Rudy.
	700, not 74, 700 million.
	More than a hundred times what you just suggested.
	The person that we beat, that we destroyed, that we drove into the ground with our political game, our ground game and our strategic communications and our earned media, Hillary Clinton that we know of because there's all kinds of dark dark sources of money for the Clintons.
	Rudy she spent 1.4 billion 1.4 billion on one position albeit the highest one in the land so yeah politics in America Very expensive.
	But if you want to support President Trump, don't support the RNC.
	Don't support that disgrace, Rona Romney McDaniel.
	Support individual candidates endorsed by President Trump in your locality, or support his Save America PAC.
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	If time allows, I have an off-air question I'd like to ask you.
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	All the analysis today has been fantastic.
	Your team and your guests have all done a great job.
	I have something I want to add to the mix.
	Back when they rated Mar-a-Lago, posed on this show that they had to raid trump first because they knew that they were going to find documents with biden they knew they were there and they had to dirty trump with the documents first yes before they dirty buy them and i think the same thing is going on here they know that this man's time is short-lived and by dirtying trump first then they'll they'll be able to say to their base look everybody does it okay our guy
	Oh, you mean so Biden's going to get in legal trouble and Hunter and everybody else, so now they just want to get ahead of it by saying, oh, look, everybody does it.
	Everybody does it.
	So it levels the playing field again, even though the two abuses.
	I mean, Trump's wasn't an abuse and the Biden is very much an abuse of his office.
	But the voters on the left will be able to justify it and say, no, my guy is no worse than your guy.
	The playing field is level.
	And I and again, I stand way out in the field.
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	Can we talk digital dollar and can we talk Russia, China, Brazil and all that garbage about getting off the dollar?
	Yep.
	Good.
	Yeah.
	Awesome.
	All right.
	30 seconds.
	And I'm doing... What am I doing, Alex?
	D?
	No.
	Consumer's research.
	There we go.
	Is he taking his headset off?
	is that you're welcome
	here's looking at you snowflake America first!
	I love that song.
	Apple's money, money, money.
	The left may have the culture by the throat.
	We have talk radio.
	They may have the music industry, Hollywood, the mainstream media, the schools.
	But now they're going after the private sector and your future and your retirement.
	Yeah, it's scary.
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	All right.
	So much to discuss.
	So little time.
	Let's talk to the man who knows.
	He is the dean of the business school at Liberty University, former congressman, Dave Brant.
	Welcome back to America First. - Great to be on, Zeb.
	Right.
	We have to talk about geopolitical developments, digital dollar and stuff like that.
	But first things first, as a former congressman, don't have to discuss politics, but just your reaction to the last 24, 25 hours in American history.
	Well, it's just gut-wrenching because it just goes along with all the rest of the cycle.
	We're just losing control of all of our major institutions and their proper functioning.
	And this is just the, you know, the perfect storm of the courts going off the rails, attorneys going off the rails, the law going off the rails, the media going off the rails.
	And it's all symbolized, right?
	And the opponent, of course, is the opponent of the administrative state.
	So the irony is not lost on anyone.
	And I think people are going to get that the next time they go to the polls.
	I think a broader swath of Americans are catching on to what's really going on at a deeper level.
	Yeah, that is the analysis we've been hearing from our friends today.
	If you say that the Deep State is coming to get you and needs to be destroyed and then that happens to you in Manhattan yesterday, you're kind of proving it to the world empirically.
	Maybe we need people like Dave Brat back on Capitol Hill.
	In the meantime, follow him at brateconomics on getter and the website brateconomics.com.
	You can hear him regularly on my buddy Steve Bannon's podcast, The War Room.
	All right, big stories.
	Let's get to the crux of the matter.
	Nations around the world going off the dollar.
	Is this a ruse?
	Is this serious?
	These aren't nations with stable economies.
	How much of a bad news day is it for Americans?
	Well, it's part of the decline, right?
	Interest rates, productivity, which is a measure of GDP per capita, all those major variables that affect your lives have been going down for 40 years.
	And so the dollar used to transact about 70% of transactions internationally.
	Now it's down to 58.
	And part of it's just natural, right?
	As we bring things back home, that's part of the natural consequence.
	And so the BRICS, you know, Brazil doesn't get me too nervous.
	Russia doesn't get me nervous.
	India is the one that gets me a little nervous.
	If they're for real on this, you know, Iran, I don't care.
	Because India is an impressive nation that has the potential to be stable and not a dictatorship or a banana republic.
	That's why, right?
	Yes, right.
	And just the scope and scale and size.
	And so, you know, For me, the issue is just U.S.
	leadership, and you understand this way more than I do, because if you go off and look at the China trade statistics, their top 10 trading partners are all friends of the United States.
	And then if you look at the top 10 trading partners of the United States, they're all friends of the United States, right?
	So if our State Department, the diplomatic corps, can't use that much leverage, right?
	If you think Brazil, which is just a teaspoon in the ocean of, you know, currency and status in the world, That's not the threat and I don't care, right?
	But the consequences for them and the signal we ought to be sending them right now, but of course we're not, because the administration's philosophy is, okay, good luck with that bet, right?
	I hope that works well for you for a decade or two, right?
	Good luck when China cracks up in a decade for sure, just due to demographics alone, not to mention their 300% debt to GDP, etc.
	So it's a cosmic joke.
	Yeah.
	No, the whole BRICS thing was a chimera.
	It was a trendy concept among the chattering classes here in DC.
	The only country that really matters strategically is India, of course.
	Professor Bratt knows of what he speaks.
	All right.
	More serious, perhaps, is the digital dollar.
	Because if your money is digital, the government can switch it off.
	Right, Professor?
	Yeah, yeah, that's a disaster.
	And so for those, you know, not steeped in macroeconomics, you know, digital currency being proposed by the Federal Reserve System.
	That's not the government.
	The Federal Reserve System has ruined your life over the past 20 years.
	They are the cause of this 07-08 financial crisis.
	A lot of other things in the air, real estate, a bunch of funny stories.
	John Taylor, Stanford, followed Milton Friedman, University of Chicago, Nobel Prize winner in economics.
	The Federal Reserve caused the misery in your life after the 07-08 and propped up the elites.
	And then the Federal Reserve had 0% interest rates for a decade and messed up the entire free enterprise system in the United States.
	Now we have a credit crunch, right?
	200 banks are in severe credit crunch problems right now.
	And so after they've ruined your life, now they're coming forward and they say, we want to run more of your life.
	We want to offer a central bank digital currency because it's more efficient, right?
	Well, you know, the efficiency gains are, you know, like this.
	And just to be good stewards, you remember when Zev and I were kids, you know, old people, we used to go to the bank and they'd give us a lollipop.
	The bank always had a nice little bowl and you'd grab your lollipop and you're kidding like, oh, this is good.
	I like my bank.
	Now the bank is offering a thing called FedNow.
	I'm not making this up.
	This is kind of a mini PayPal where they're going to help you make their payments and offer you this free, good, nice service.
	So they look like they're the good guys.
	They care about you.
	Boy, this is a neat thing.
	Well, why are they doing that?
	Because they want to lull you into their bank.
	And then they're going to offer up this digital bank currency.
	If you just did that alone, I wouldn't care.
	Right?
	But everybody knows that's what China uses for their surveillance state.
	So as you get a bigger state, right, and everything you're watching right now with, you know, the former president in New York City and all this, all of this is due to the gigantic nature of the federal government.
	And so now the Federal Reserve, who is not being monitored by Congress, and I don't think this will go through.
	Ted Cruz has put some stuff in.
	Mooney in the Congress is watching this.
	French Hill.
	The head of that committee, they're aware of the issue and they're watching things, but we'll see.
	And it boils down to one thing, it's an old phrase, it's a cliche, but man is it true.
	Bigger government, smaller citizen.
	Follow this man, Brat, at Brateconomics on Getter, brateconomics.com, Dean of the Business School at Liberty U.
	We've got to have longer discussions on economics.
	Thank you, Professor.
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	We We have, uh, let's see.
	I don't know, we have two DJTs, so we're gonna use both of them, two and three.
	Two and three?
	Did we play one before?
	Only crime I've committed is to defend our nation?
	That's probably the definitive line from the speech.
	Gotta play that one.
	Come in with two, then I'll tee up one.
	Come in with two, tee up one.
	You got it.
	Title for professor?
	The truth about the digital dollar.
	Yep.
	Coming in with two.
	No liner.
	So was there a Republican running in Chicago or was it a Democrat?
	It was all Democrats, yeah.
	Vallas was just the less awful slash more moderate Democrat.
	Right.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	As it turns out, virtually everybody that has looked at this case, including rhinos and even hardcore Democrats, say there is no crime and that it should never have been brought.
	Never have been brought.
	Everybody.
	Even people that aren't big fans have said it.
	They said, this is not the right thing to do.
	It's an insult to our country as the world is already laughing at us.
	It is proof of our descent into the territory of a banana republic.
	And what about the person bringing the alleged charges and the coterie, the environment around him?
	The person who is the district attorney, Alvin Bragg, well, he has a wife who has some rather interesting opinions.
	That was President Trump in Mar-a-Lago yesterday, and he shared some of those details as well.
	This is cut three.
	Play cut.
	Alvin Bragg's wife confirmed a report that claimed her husband has Trump nailed on felonies.
	She has since locked down her Twitter account.
	His chief prosecutor who represented the Democrats and crooked Hillary Clinton and a firm run by Chuck Schumer's brother Robert He quit the firm in order to go to work in the DA office in order to get Trump.
	Can you imagine that?
	Hillary Clinton's lawyer, Democrat lawyer, Democrat firm.
	Ultimately, he quit as chief prosecutor because Bragg didn't think he had a case.
	Incredible.
	And by the way, the attorney President Trump added to his team yesterday must be a good guy because do you know what?
	He wasn't allowed by his firm to represent President Trump because I guess they're Democrats or they're just cowards.
	That man left his firm so he could represent the president against this political hatchet job.
	That's a real man.
	That's a patriot.
	But the most important part of yesterday's speech, and you should watch the whole thing, it's only 26, 27 minutes long, you can see it on my social media, is this line.
	Cut one.
	God bless you all.
	God bless you all.
	And I never thought anything like this could happen in America.
	Never thought it could happen.
	The only crime that I have committed is to fearlessly defend our nation from those who seek to destroy it.
	That's his crime.
	Protecting you and America from those who want to destroy the greatest nation on God's green earth.
	That's the deep state.
	We'll discuss it next.
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	Do you regret essentially accusing the president of treason?
	Do you regret some of the things you have said?
	I call his behavior treasonous, which is to betray one's trust and to aid and abet the enemy, and I stand very much by that claim.
	You are the former CIA director accusing the sitting President of the United States.
	It's not a private citizen.
	A lot of people hear the former CIA director accusing the sitting President of the United States of treason.
	That's a monumental accusation.
	Well, I think these are abnormal times.
	The smirk reveals everything.
	Obama's director of the CIA, who actually voted for Gasol, the Communist Party candidate, yes, the Communist Party candidate for the presidency, before he joined the CIA, John Brennan, accusing the then sitting president of treason, which of course brings with it the death penalty.
	He hasn't been charged with treason, but yesterday he was charged by a local district attorney, and we have crossed a Rubicon.
	What perfect person could we find to discuss the ramifications of not only yesterday's news, but also what we've witnessed in the last seven years in America?
	A man who has dedicated his life to reporting the news, being an investigative journalist without an agenda he is now.
	The head of his own media organization.
	It's called justthenews.com.
	And he is, of course, our good friend, John Solomon.
	John, welcome to America First one-on-one.
	Yeah, great to be with you, Seb.
	So, I presume, given what you've done in your decades of work as a true journalist, as the author most recently of this book, let's put it up on the screen so everybody can order it, Fallout, Nuclear Bribes, Russian Spies, and the Washington Lies that Enriched the Clinton and Biden Dynasties, yesterday's events didn't come as too much of a surprise to you, sadly?
	No, I think we've been inching towards this moment for seven to ten years.
	The idea that we would create, weaponize local prosecutors, the George Soros movement to get local prosecutors fashioned in his own ideology.
	The weaponization of federal law enforcement that we first saw with the Russia collusion case and continued.
	The ability to create false realities, which we saw throughout the 2020 election when intelligence community leaders like John Brennan told us that the Hunter Biden laptop was disinformation, even though it wasn't, or that what Hunter Biden had done in Ukraine was legit when it wasn't.
	And I think the ultimate evolution of that would be to get us into that kangaroo court sort of moment where a political score that should be resolved by American voters is instead injected into the court system by a prosecutor who upgrades a misdemeanor to a felony five years after the statute of limitations had expired.
	I think Stalin and Lenin are looking, going, boy, why didn't we think of that?
	And I think this moment has just been a slow train wreck unfolding.
	And yesterday was the first crash moment.
	As, yeah, as somebody who's...
	covered these issues for so long at various of the most prestigious or formerly prestigious organs.
	I'm curious because I find myself trying to answer this question and I don't have any certitude as yet.
	When did we arrive at that tipping point?
	When did the critical mass become enough that you'd have former cabinet members, leading politicians, speakers of the house?
	For example, Nancy Pelosi, in the article I wrote yesterday, the arrival of the police state to America, I just reminded everybody, I embedded the hyperlink in the article, I said, you know, we had a speaker of the house, Who, for four years, refused to address the President as the President, called him illegitimate, talked about the current resident of the White House.
	You've been in this field of political reporting for decades.
	Was this just, you know, the frog in the hot water with the dial slowly being inching forward?
	Or was there a moment, was there an event where you realized, wow!
	This is not the America I grew up in.
	Yeah, listen, I think the period of 2016 to the summer of 2016 to the summer of 2018 is going to be a moment that when historians look back at America, they're going to say the fundamental nature of our law and order society changed, and it may have been changed indelibly, meaning we're never going back.
	It started in the summer of 2016 with the creation of the Russia collusion case where FBI agents and analysts feel comfortable initiating a case that they know, according to their own bosses, now we've interviewed people like Kevin Brock who said didn't meet the predicate test, meaning they didn't have a legitimate reason to open up on Donald Trump.
	They knew they were using opposition research from Hillary Clinton.
	They knew that Hillary Clinton, according to Intercepts, was playing a dirty trick on Donald Trump, and yet they allowed themselves to be used to create the perception that there was a real reason to investigate Donald Trump for Russia collusion when none existed.
	In fact, there was more evidence of Hillary Clinton's campaign colluding with Russia than there was Donald Trump.
	That moment, and then as that's going on in that fall 2016 election, the first major Soros-backed prosecutor, Kimberly Garner, gets elected in St. Louis, And within a year or two, she starts the local version She goes after a sitting governor of Missouri, Eric Greitens.
	Actually gets farther than the FBI ever got.
	She actually brings criminal charges.
	She brings an indictment against the sitting governor.
	And within months, it's obvious that she had neither the proof, the evidence, nor the crime.
	She ultimately had to say there was no photo, there was no text message, there was no extortion.
	She had accused, of course, the sitting governor of having a sextortion sort of case going, threatening a paramour with embarrassing her if she talked.
	And at that moment, there wasn't a significant consequence.
	Kimberly Gardner didn't get fired.
	The media didn't even cover it for what it was really for a long time.
	That two-year window where all of a sudden we saw true political criminal investigations, I mean, investigations designed to create a criminal intent, and then a prosecution designed to create a political impact moment.
	The governor of Missouri was forced to resign over false accusations.
	That was the moment I think this system changed.
	And with the lack of punishment from those two moments, obviously one FBI lawyer got convicted, a few people got fired, but some got their pensions restored even though they were fired, like Andy McCabe.
	That moment tipped our law and order society into a political weaponization moment and it hasn't recovered and quite frankly some people would argue it's accelerated with the government now involved in censorship of American speech, with the government embedded in protests like the January 6th Capitol riot and what was going on with Governor Whitmer.
	It seems as though that train is accelerating towards a very dangerous abyss in American history.
	And until there are consequences, and I think you and I have talked about this before, without a real consequence to someone who's been involved in these things, this machine is going to keep lurching forward.
	Yeah, and just to go back to the Greitens case, that chief witness, that former, I think it was FBI agent, actually was arrested himself for lying and perjuring himself.
	Let me ask a tough question before we move on.
	Why?
	Why is this happening?
	Why this man?
	Why Donald Trump?
	Is it because he wasn't a prior member of the political elite?
	Do you have any theory as to why the fabric of the republic has to be rent asunder because of this one man?
	Yeah, listen, I think there are multiple reasons, right?
	There's no simple explanation for it.
	First, Donald Trump defies all political convention, right?
	He's a businessman who is a billionaire, but he has sort of a blue-collar worker's mindset, and he connects with blue-collar workers and everyday Americans.
	That's scary to elitists in America.
	He's a man who doesn't follow the rules of Washington, doesn't go hang out at the book parties and the cocktail scene, and often smashes the Washington establishment for being disconnected to those blue-collar, everyday American workers.
	And he was willing to fire people and hold them accountable, whether they liked it or not.
	He fired James Comey and the FBI goes, oh, my God, you can't get rid of an FBI director.
	Well, you can, actually.
	And he ruffled feathers in so many ways that he didn't have friends in the elitist establishment in Washington.
	Quite frankly, he couldn't even count on many of his own aides who at various times in senior positions turned against him or defied him or didn't trust him to carry out his orders.
	Right down to the last day when he declassified Russian documents and the FBI and Justice Department refused to make them public.
	That's why I've sued recently To get those records out.
	He didn't have the sort of friends that normally insulate you in elitist Washington.
	And so that plus the threat that he imposed by taking away large blocks of the Democratic base, the blue collar worker base, the Hispanic base, the black African American voter base.
	They reviled him and they have gone after him because he poses a threat to their political model.
	Yeah, we will discuss that amazing revelation you shared with us last week concerning your access to those declassified documents.
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	That's S E B G O R K A SebGorkerStore.com John, before we go deeper into the deep state, for those who aren't familiar with your background, I was so delighted.
	I was on a Twitter space just two nights ago, just before the president was set to make his appearance, and I mentioned your name with regards to that story that we discussed on my show, and I was in a Twitter space of about 8,000 people, and the immediate reaction from the other speakers was, ah yes, John Solomon, a name you can trust.
	Tell us about who John Solomon is.
	How did you get to be the head of your own media empire?
	What jobs have you done in the past?
	Where have you worked?
	And tell us why you were so moved to create your own media entity.
	Listen, I grew up as a traditional reporter.
	I still believe that journalism can be a noble profession if you focus on the facts and not the outcomes, right?
	You're not trying to create outcomes.
	You're trying to allow the American people to make up their own mind.
	And over the last 20 years, as I worked first at the Associated Press, I started at UPI as a 17-year-old reporter.
	At age 19, I got hired by the Associated Press.
	I put two decades in at the Associated Press, was hired by the Washington Post to be Their lead national investigative reporter got to work with amazing people like Bob Woodward and others who, you know, when you're growing up as a journalist, those are your idols, your icons.
	After that, I eventually landed at the Hill where I did a lot of the Hunter Biden reporting, and I stayed in the establishment media for most of the first 30 years of my career.
	But I saw a really scary thing go on, and I think it started maybe in the summer of 2007.
	I was in the Washington Post newsroom.
	The Scooter Libby verdict came down.
	Scooter Libby had been the chief of staff to Dick Cheney.
	Dick Cheney was a very reviled person in liberal and, quite frankly, media circles today.
	He's a little bit more champion because of his daughter's opposition to Donald Trump.
	But he was hated by the media back then.
	And when the verdict of guilty was announced against Scooter Libby, half or more of the newsroom of the Washington Post erupted in cheers.
	And I thought, wow, it felt like a violation.
	The newsroom had always been for me, particularly at the AP.
	A sanctuary where political opinions were left at the door.
	When you came into the newsroom you didn't have biases, you didn't have political opinions, you came in with facts and you left with facts and you tried not to change anyone's mind.
	That was the first sign that I saw that my profession had moved from facts and neutral coverage to maybe wanting a specific outcome.
	Maybe leading readers and viewers and listeners to an outcome rather than just give them the facts and trust them to make up their mind.
	I still believe today as I did the day I entered the profession That the American people are smart enough to make their own mind.
	They're way wiser than a lot of my elitist colleagues in the news media think they are.
	I'm just going to give them facts that then make up their mind.
	I think a lot of the latest two generations of journalists have thought it their job to help make people's minds up.
	Try to structure the story and the facts in such a way that they come to an inevitable conclusion.
	And when I saw that going on day in and day out in my profession, I talked to my wife and said, honey, I hate to do this, but I want to take some of my retirement money out and start a new side of my own and try to build something that is a back-to-the-future project.
	Go back to the way news used to be done, but delivered in the newfangled ways that we do it.
	And it's been a blessing.
	Every day that I've done it and the journey I've been on, it's hard work.
	It's not a very favorable media business model right now.
	But it's rewarding to know that I can give people facts and have the confidence to know they'll make the right decisions.
	It's not my job to make up their mind.
	And I feel like that's a great way to finish my career.
	And I hope a lot of my colleagues, and I see many of them abandoning them, right?
	Matt Taibbi and people like that are leaving the profession, starting their own thing because they saw the same thing.
	And I think we're at a great awakening moment in our profession.
	The most important question is, is your wife now satisfied with your success with your new entity?
	There's only 3 million people listening.
	You can nod if you just want to say yes she is.
	She'd like me to repay our retirement accounts, but yes, I think she's glad that what we've done, and she's been along this journey with me for 35 years.
	I am a blessed man.
	We celebrate our 35th wedding anniversary later this year, and God picked the perfect woman for me.
	I feel like she is such a great leader, and I'm blessed every day I wake up alongside of her.
	Wow, 35 years.
	That's amazing.
	Is there any, I mean, given that you have worked everywhere that was a name in the mainstream media before you created JustTheNews.com, Is there any of those entities that are establishment that still garner your respect?
	I'm just curious or have they all lost the plot?
	Well, listen, I think it's hard to judge brands anymore because the brands are a combination of so many different complicated figures.
	And there are some really great reporters at institutions that aren't doing really great reporting right now.
	And, you know, the Columbia Journalism Review, I've had big criticism of in the last few years because I think they failed to monitor The profession the way it should be.
	But then they published an amazing article back a few weeks ago from Jeff Gerth, a multiple Pulitzer winner from an earlier era of the New York Times, literally exposing what went on in the New York Times and Washington Post newsrooms and why they got so much wrong about Russia.
	So even an organization that has been astray sometimes connects with a great reporter and a great reporter does good journalism.
	We learn from it.
	I judge every story on its merits.
	I try not to judge a book by its cover.
	And so every story, I try to critically evaluate.
	Hey, that looks like something that's very valuable.
	Let's go check that out.
	This one looks a little bit off the base and biased.
	I can see what the reporter's doing here.
	I'm just going to dismiss that.
	But I think readers are becoming far more discerning.
	And they came to trust that when Walter Cronkite came through your television tube in the 70s and 80s, that you could take his word for it.
	He wasn't trying to get you to an agenda.
	He was personally liberal.
	He would later reveal in life.
	But when he got on air, he tried to just give you the facts and trust you to make up your mind.
	That era has left us for a great part of the anchors that we now watch.
	And I think people are saying, well, I've got to go get more on my own.
	I've got to go check out other sources.
	And that's why your show is so amazing and so popular and why Just The News is starting to grow and other Matt Taibbi's sub stack is growing.
	I think people are just discerning and looking for that truth.
	And they can tell the difference between a truth seeker and a truth hijacker.
	And I think they're trying to split the difference and try to find the places they can still get facts.
	It's weird.
	I don't know if it was the same here, but when I was growing up in the 70s and 80s in the UK, journalism was, you know, it was left, but it challenged the establishment all the time.
	And it was mostly a working class activity.
	You know, the beat reporter was probably a working class guy, liked to have a, you know, a jar in the pub at lunchtime.
	Now it seems to be just this elitist Kind of insular little group of people who don't even like the working class.
	Yeah, I think that that's a very important thing.
	And I think there's a second dynamic.
	There's a lot of people who have fallen in love with the sound of their voice.
	And Twitter and Facebook and social media gave journalists an opportunity to unleash their inner opinion person.
	And I think that that became a corrupting influence in the way the model of it.
	But the truth of the matter is, before the 1920s and 30s, the American media were really biased, right?
	They had the right papers and the left papers, much like Britain has always had.
	There was an era from the 30s maybe to the 80s or 90s, early 2000s, where we tried to keep a neutral voice even if we had our personal preconceptions.
	And then I think in the mid to late 2010 period, with our business model eroding, many journalists decided to go for personal fame and personal opinion just to bring up their numbers.
	And I think that's when the beginning of the end of a great era of journalism began.
	And the clicks, right?
	It was about clickbait.
	It was about speed, not accuracy.
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	You have to have accuracy.
	You have to get the terms right.
	There's somebody who probably, I'd say, you've done more to chart the deep state and corruption in the intelligence community than anybody else.
	It's a small group of people that are doing it anyway.
	It's the likes of You know, Lee Smith, Dan Bongino, Greg Jarrett.
	It is not a lot of people, maybe half a dozen.
	We haven't had this taxonomy discussion with you.
	Do you have a preference for what we are dealing with?
	Some say it's the permanent bureaucracy, the unaccountable bureaucracy, Bannon christened it very early on in the administration, the administrative state, others say the deep state.
	What for you are we talking about and what do you prefer as the label for those, you had that recent piece about the GSA where they just decided what unilaterally that we're supposed to have what was it facial recognition software and they just hobbled it from the inside because they I guess they decide that they're the ones who make the policy decisions?
	And they did it in violation of the law.
	The law required them to have facial recognition.
	They didn't care and then they lied to the federal agencies.
	They led the federal agencies to believe that this login had this required capability when it did not.
	That has all been documented.
	Democrats and Republicans were literally shocked when these revelations came out a week ago.
	That is what I think, you know, all the different names that you use, administrative state, the fourth branch of government, the deep state.
	There's many different names for it.
	Listen, what it is is our founding fathers intended to have three branches of government, the judiciary, the legislative branch responsible to the people, And then an executive branch who reported to and was subservient to an elected leader of the United States known as the president.
	What has happened over the last 10, 20, 30 years is a slow evolution in the creation of a fourth branch of government.
	an administrative state that lives beyond any elected presidential leader.
	And they discovered it.
	Hey, listen, this president may be at most eight years.
	I got 30 years.
	I'm not going to be so worried about whether the boss likes me.
	And over time, they've evolved into, we're going to do things the way we want to do it, and we really don't care what our elected leader says and does.
	And you saw this most pronounced in President Trump's era, where administrators just simply didn't follow his instructions.
	Right down to the last one minute of his presidency, when the FBI and Justice Department grabbed those Russia collusion documents and be declassified and defied the president's order, didn't release him to the American public.
	And this defiance, this idea that we're our own branch of government, we don't even have to be accountable to the president of the United States or the American people, continues to go, even under Joe Biden.
	Again, I don't think Joe Biden gave an order saying, don't implement that facial disguise.
	In fact, he might say, we need that.
	You know, we've got to protect ourselves.
	Security biometrics is an important part of our security authentication.
	A group of bureaucrats just said, you know, I don't care.
	My personal opinion or our personal opinion is facial recognition is somehow racist.
	And so we're just going to fool the people that pay our salaries.
	We're going to put American national security at risk to appease our own personal views.
	And we're going to implement a system and everybody's going to think there's facial recognition, but there isn't.
	And millions and millions and millions of dollars of money was spent under that false promise.
	And when the GSA was confronted, one of the lawmakers said to them, OK, Who's gonna get prosecuted for this?
	Crickets.
	No one.
	And as long as that administrative state doesn't pay a penalty, when an Andy McCabe can lie to an FBI investigation and get his pension back even after he's fired, the deep state, or whatever we want to call it, the administrative state, the permanent bureaucracy, the career bureaucracy, they get more and more emboldened every day.
	They have to be held accountable in such a painful way that they realize the next time I defy a presidential order, I might lose my job.
	I might not get my 30 years of retirement.
	Right now, we keep sending a mixed message saying, you are subservient to the Constitution of the President, but when you break it, don't worry about it, we're going to slap you on the wrist.
	The idea that those GSA workers aren't prosecuted scared a lot of the lawmakers.
	They could not believe that those workers who committed fraud had not been prosecuted.
	But as the journalist who's literally written the book on the subject, which of the descriptors, which of the monikers do you prefer, John, to describe the entity?
	I try to use the most neutral term, right?
	Sometimes something will slip in there in a quote, someone else calls it a deep state, okay, I'm fine with that, but I try to use it and call it just the career bureaucracy, right?
	These are career bureaucrats, they're protected by civil and merit protection systems, and I try to use the most neutral term, but there's a lot more colorful terms, and I understand why people use them, right?
	I understand why they use them, because they're frustrated to see this fourth branch of government emerge that's unaccountable to the three that our wise founding fathers gave us.
	He refused to choose from the smorgasbord I offered, but that's why he's John Sullivan.
	Yeah, it was a good smorgasbord though.
	It's a good buffet.
	Yeah, it's a good buffet.
	He's given us a new one.
	I like this.
	Career bureaucracy.
	So you choose, but this man is a professional and he's sticking with career bureaucracy.
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	This is about as clear evidence you could find of intent by the campaign to collude with the Russians, to get useful information from the Russians.
	I think there's plenty of evidence of collusion or conspiracy in plain sight.
	I did say that there is ample evidence, and indeed there is, of collusion of people in the Trump campaign with the Russians.
	I can't wait to play clips like that for the whole of our discussion.
	Adam Schiff, former chairman of the Intelligence Committee of the House, saying, I have the proof.
	Russian collusion, incontrovertible.
	I've seen it.
	I can't tell you about it, but I've seen it.
	Well, where is it?
	We're waiting.
	We never saw any of it because it didn't exist.
	One man who knew all along is, of course, John Solomon.
	Now, I'm an immigrant.
	You were born in this nation, John.
	Maybe this is a tough question, but is it possible to identify... I mean, politicians lie, but to have somebody lie more than Adam Schiff did continuously for four years, I mean, that guy, he probably set some records, didn't he?
	Yeah, listen, I, in my senior year at Marquette University when I was graduating, Marquette was about to acquire the personal records of Senator Joe McCarthy, who ran the sort of the Red Scare hearings of the 1950s and 60s, and often used a lot of the tactics that I came to appreciate that Adam Schiff used, which is, you create the illusion of truth.
	You create a false reality through it, and you use the power of your government to do that, to scare people and to allure people into thinking something that the facts don't matter.
	And I wrote a column, I think at one point at the Hill, it's been a few years now, but I basically said he's a modern-day Joe McCarthy.
	He really is.
	And let me just give you one example.
	This has personally happened to me, so I know the facts of it, right?
	He released some of my phone records.
	I think he got them off of Rudy Giuliani's phone record base that he had subpoenaed.
	It's one of the first few times that Congress ever got phone records on its own, not through the executive branch.
	And without interviewing me, without doing the work and saying, hey, John Solomon, I see a couple of calls between you and Rudy Giuliani.
	Those must be when you hatched the whole Ukraine plot against Joe Biden and Hunter Biden and outing Burisma.
	And the answer is, Well, if you had just come to me, I might have answered the question.
	Those calls he was referring to in March and April of 2019 were actually focused on the impending Mueller report and what I was learning from the Mueller report and trying to get Rudy Giuliani to come on and to do an interview about that.
	But he could literally tar me without ever asking me, because without asking me, he could make those calls look to be anything they wanted.
	And he did that time and time again to many, many people.
	The people involved in the Trump Tower meeting, the people involved in the meetings in Moscow, Carter Page.
	Listen, he had to have known early on that Carter Page was a CIA asset because the CIA was telling everybody that.
	And yet he stood there and tried to pretend Carter Page was the leading edge of a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia.
	He was working for our government, not Russia's government, and we knew it!
	I do think that history will look back not so fondly on Adam Schiff.
	He is not a truth teller.
	He is a mirage creator and thus far he's failed up.
	He hasn't paid a significant penalty and now he's going to try to run for the U.S.
	Senate.
	It'll be interesting to see if Californians reward his lack of truthfulness, his illusionary tactics.
	He's more magician than he is truth teller.
	And history, we will owe a debt in historic terms, will we not, to the man who replaced him, Devin Nunes, for uncovering whether it was Russia collusion, a hoax, or the unmasking crimes.
	That is a man who needs to be recognized, isn't he John?
	Yeah, listen, Devin Nunes was at the heart of it.
	Kash Patel, one of his lead investigators.
	And then a small group of people.
	Mark Meadows was in Congress at the time.
	Jim Jordan was in Congress at the time.
	Lee Zeldin was in there.
	I'm going to miss a few.
	Ron DeSantis, before he left to run for Congress.
	They all dug in.
	They all took the early roadmap of what I was learning from my FBI sources and Sarah Carter, because we were working together at the time.
	They took that roadmap and they took it further because we didn't have subpoena power.
	We didn't have the ability to force depositions.
	They did and they followed it and they unraveled an extraordinary truth.
	And when that truth first came out...
	In January of 2018, Adam Schiff and his allies in the news media, all who were wrong, portrayed Devin Nunes' findings as fake information, disinformation, political misinformation.
	Everybody should go back and read the report that Devin Nunes released in late January 2018.
	Every fact in that report turned out to be true and accurate and every claim by Adam Schiff and by the way his allies and all the mainstream media were wrong.
	Nobody's really gone back and you were one of the few people that actually calls attention to it and realize that Devin Nunes was right and almost the entire rest of the country was wrong at that moment.
	A very important moment in history.
	And with regards to this incredible story that you shared with us last week, let's put the headline up.
	When I mentioned this on the Twitter spaces, people were like bowled over and I had to put the story immediately up onto my Twitter feed so that you could read it.
	Can you tell us about the declassified documents that you described were in a folder 10 inches thick and what President Trump invited you to do?
	Yeah, so it was a binder, a black binder.
	It had all the documents inside of it.
	Late on the, I think it was late on the 20, January 19th of 2021, so less than 24 hours left in the Trump presidency, he invited me over to say, hey, I declassified these documents.
	You're going to get a set tomorrow.
	And I think I went over in the room and just quickly thumbed through them.
	I only had a few minutes.
	I had no notepad or laptop or even a cell phone.
	So I couldn't take notes.
	These are the documents I've been talking about needed to be released.
	I was very grateful.
	I was told I'd get a set late that night or early the next morning.
	And so I stayed through the night on the night of the 2019.
	And the White House was attempting to get a full set.
	We were going to scan them in and put them up on a website.
	They had all been declassified.
	By the way, I saw the declassification order on top, and I saw the markings had been removed, and so they were clearly declassified.
	I went back.
	There was an effort to get the full set to us, but it got pulled back.
	And for two years, we didn't know why.
	We now know the answer.
	And then someone in the Justice Department, I believe because it came in a Justice Department envelope, they gave me a subset.
	A little note that came in the envelope.
	It came about 8 or 9 o'clock, 7, 8, 9 o'clock that night.
	Came in a Justice Department envelope.
	It was like maybe 20, 30, 50, 100 pages of documents.
	And it was like, this is a down payment on the full set that'll be released later this week.
	And I wrote some stories off that the first couple days.
	Was that official or unofficial?
	Was that someone helping you?
	I thought it was...
	I thought it was official.
	Listen, it just showed up at my door.
	It showed up at the security guard.
	And I went down, picked it up, and I thought, oh, the White House must have sent it to me or the Justice Department sent it to me.
	It was clearly in a Justice Department envelope.
	And then Mark Meadows and his team was trying to get us the larger volume of documents.
	That operation got pulled back.
	We were going to get an embargoed set and scan them in and make them public.
	Everyone could go read them themselves.
	You make up their own mind.
	Going back to the theme we started this conversation with.
	Those got pulled back, and we now know, two years later, why.
	The FBI, at the very last minute, the 11th hour, said, ooh, there might be some Privacy Act information we left in those documents.
	Give us a few minutes, we'll take it out, we'll release it.
	Mark Meadows, on the final hour in his job, sent the documents back to the FBI, saying, quickly get your Privacy Act information out there, release these documents.
	The Justice Department held on to them.
	It's unbelievable.
	You talk about the permanent bureaucracy, that's an example of its power.
	I think that's an example of the deep state.
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	Well, I could do this for several more hours to come.
	I know you have to prepare for your own evening show as well.
	Let me ask you perhaps the most important question looking forward.
	It looks like social media changed everything.
	Clickbait, speed, not accuracy.
	Then we have the rise of the permanent bureaucracy or the deep state.
	How does any of this get corrected?
	It looks as if market forces don't really apply as long as you have the likes of, you know, Jeff Bezos who can have vanity projects like the Washington Post survive and CNN gets, you know, 500,000 viewers out of 320 million and they still stumble on What is your prediction for the future?
	Will the likes of independent journalism, the sub-stack phenomena, help us?
	We're going to rely upon justthenews.com here.
	But how do we fix this, John?
	You know, Amber Athey has a new book out, she works at The Spectator, and she has a really interesting philosophy about how millennials came into the newsroom and hijacked the operations from much more senior people that weren't willing to stick to their guns.
	Maybe they were trying to appease a generation that they thought was going to be their next readers.
	But that dynamic has to be reversed.
	Experienced hands who know how journalism is supposed to be committed, because their mentors taught them how to do it.
	They have to reclaim control of these newsrooms.
	I think in some places it's happening.
	I think there's been some very interesting opportunities at CBS News, done some very good journalism lately.
	They were the first ones to break the story about Joe Biden's document problem, right?
	We've all been talking about Donald Trump's classified documents, well, they broke that.
	There is some evidence that some of the things in the New York Times are getting tidied up a little bit.
	There is 10 miles to go for a fix.
	But this only gets fixed if the current leadership of these newsrooms reclaim their newsrooms to the standards that they were held to when they were growing up by people who actually took the profession seriously.
	That's the starting point.
	In the absence of that, we have to keep building alternative ecosystems that practice journalism the way Americans want it practiced.
	With some neutrality and with some facts and not with some fiction and some bias.
	And if we can get that done, I think Americans will gravitate, as they always have, to the sources they most believe are reliable.
	It is still a marketplace of ideas.
	Prove yourself to be reliable and accurate and honest and you'll win.
	That's why millions of people listen to you every day.
	That's why millions of people are now coming to Justin News every month to our site.
	We've got to keep building and just never ruin that trust.
	Every day you have to come in and be better than the day you were before.
	More honest, more accurate, more neutral.
	If you do that, I think the audience will follow you.
	And if a young person wanted to become a journalist, what would you tell them, John?
	Check your political beliefs and your biases at the door.
	When you step into the newsroom, don't bring them with you.
	You can pick them up when you go home at night.
	Do not bring them into the newsroom.
	That was the first thing I was ever told as a 17-year-old reporter.
	It's never left me, and I think that that's the most important thing.
	If we practice neutrality and we just focus on facts, everything else will fall into place.
	Don't focus on the outcome of your story.
	Focus on getting American people the facts and let them make up the mind.
	Let them make up the outcome.
	That's how our founding fathers intended it.
	Well, on behalf of the more than three million people who listen to us every day and the millions more who rely upon you, I want to thank you, John, for being steadfast, for standing in the buffets of the mainstream media, especially when they smeared you.
	God bless you for what you do.
	I hope you will be doing it for at least another few decades.
	You've got to follow him right now.
	John, he's talking about Finishing his career.
	Come on, John.
	None of that speak.
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