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March 30, 2023 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Why did the FBI steal the Trans Killer's manifesto?

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	Mr. G, what day is it?
	Is it Thursday?
	Yes, it is.
	Isn't that supposed to be kind of like a relatively slow news day?
	Nah, not really.
	No?
	Not anymore.
	Not anymore, but today there's like an extra dollop of news on top of the news, isn't there?
	Today is pretty heavy.
	Today is pretty heavy.
	Let's start with incredibly exciting news.
	Happened this morning.
	Jacob Chansley, Navy veteran, known as the January 6th Shaman, has been released from prison 14 months early.
	I think probably because of what?
	Certain footage that was released by Kevin McCarthy, the new Speaker of the House.
	And I tweeted that out.
	Earlier this morning, and I'd like to bring somebody on board live in front of our millions of listeners right now to just do a fact check for me.
	He just called himself off-air the runt of the America First team.
	I'm just going to introduce him as John C, our social media maven, calling in from somewhere that is run by a certain person called DeSantis.
	John C, are you there?
	I am.
	How are you?
	Very well.
	How long ago did I tell you you would be on our show today, John C.?
	About two minutes.
	About two minutes ago.
	Are you excited after about, what, five years to finally get to meet all of our listeners and viewers?
	I'm so excited.
	It's been a dream come true that this is happening right now.
	I've had fake conversations with you for years and now it's really happening.
	Do you feel poorly treated, John?
	From you?
	No, absolutely not.
	From the rest of the guys?
	Absolutely.
	By who?
	By the rest of the guys, absolutely.
	Oh yeah, especially Mr. G, right?
	Mr. G, what do you think?
	Should we have Jon Cascio in all our extra meetings because he feels left out?
	I think we should have Cascio when we talk sci-fi on with us.
	Oh!
	Hey, that's a good question.
	Jon, what kind of movies do you like?
	I mean, I don't like... It's not a difficult question.
	It's like, do you like chocolate or not?
	It's like a yes or no.
	What kind of movies do you like, Jon?
	I'm a big rom-com guy.
	Yes.
	No.
	No, because I don't live in my mother's basement.
	Please tell me you like science fiction and fantasy.
	No, because I don't live in my mother's basement.
	Ouch!
	My mother's dead.
	She doesn't even have a basement, and I love science fiction.
	Carl, you and Mr. G, you should have like a bromance.
	All right, let's get back to the work at hand.
	Let's put up the tweet again.
	John, I'm calling you because this is already out of date.
	I sent this to you moments ago.
	I've looked on my Twitter account right now.
	This tweet that I sent out about 10 o'clock this morning on my account has 806,000.
	Let me just repeat this.
	806,000 views in less than 24 hours.
	I'm calling you to have you on the show because we love you, John.
	But also, isn't that a record for, you manage my accounts, isn't that a record?
	Yeah, that's right up there.
	That's definitely a top.
	There might have been a Trump one that's close, but not nearly what that is.
	Wow.
	Good.
	Excellent.
	That's what I needed.
	Do you have any idea, I'm going to go through the whole team, John, do you have any idea why this one so resonates, this news of this prison release?
	Why this should be the one that gets almost a million views in less than a day?
	I think you hit it right at the perfect time.
	You were right on it early this morning.
	You had it before I saw it and I was getting ready to text you and then I went on your feed and saw that it was there and I said, look at this.
	So you did that and on both ends of the aisle, you know, there's still interest obviously in January 6th and what happened and what's going to happen moving forward.
	And I think, you know, it just kind of worked out.
	I mean, it was a great job by you.
	Good.
	Thank you, buddy.
	Just doing a complete fact check there.
	Last question.
	John C. Social Media Maven.
	Do you love your job?
	Love it.
	You're my hero, really.
	Hey, is it official?
	Are you going to be an old bastard soon?
	Yes, I am.
	When do you hit the big 4-0?
	Uh, April 20th is my birthday.
	April 20th.
	Wow.
	You and Stalin, I think.
	All right, happy birthday in advance.
	John C., our social media maven.
	All right, guys.
	Big, massive news.
	Let's put that tweet up there next to me again.
	That is... I was just shocked, and I wanted to have John on to just, you know, make sure that I'm not crazy here.
	Let's go through the team.
	Why do we think this was...
	Big.
	Let's start with Alex, who's always hiding in the corner.
	Alex, 800,000 views in less than a day.
	Why do you think this tweet of all tweets?
	Because he became the symbol of injustice of J6.
	Yes.
	That's wow.
	Wow.
	Succinct and to the point.
	The symbol of injustice.
	Eric, what do you think?
	Same thing as Alex said, that not only he became a symbol of injustice, that they literally admitted, the prosecutors admitted, yeah, he didn't actually commit violence or anything.
	We want to go after him because he became a symbol of that day.
	So that's why they gave him a bigger sentence.
	And then subsequently, yeah, Tucker releases the footage completely exonerating this guy.
	He did absolutely nothing wrong that day whatsoever.
	And the base cares about this, clearly.
	Guy, do you agree that it's because he became a symbol of injustice?
	Yes, I totally agree with Alex and Eric.
	So his image pretty much become I think he was possibly one of the remarkable person that you will be able to remember from J6. - Yeah. - So, like, and also after him, there was, I mean, there are quite a bit derivative figures who look similar like him, you know, there are quite a bit derivative figures who look similar like him, you know, came out later. - Right, but we will We'll remember Ashley Babbitt, Matt Pernis.
	So yeah, that symbolic figure.
	Mr. G, I think, look, I don't want to read too much into this, but I think this is really important in a political sense, because what have we been told from, you know, January the 7th, that that event killed President Trump's political future.
	If I, with my Twitter account, Can have that kind of resonance in a few hours.
	Doesn't it mean that that January 6 is being interpreted by the American people very differently from how the establishment would want them to interpret it?
	Yes.
	And I also think that's why you got such a massive number.
	First of all, I can't believe you got 800,000 impressions on that already.
	That's insane.
	But I think the reason you got so many, cause it's a massive, massive story.
	Everybody knows who he is.
	But you have so many people that are on Twitter that are ignoring this.
	Yeah.
	I just went through right now, MSNBC, the New York Times, NBC News... Well, they're ignoring the story?
	Every single one of them ignored it?
	The chance it's been released?
	Yes, but you know who else is ignoring it?
	A lot of these establishment-type sites on our side that are afraid to touch the January 6th issue.
	Will you give me an example of one?
	I'm just going through it.
	I was walking through it.
	Some of the people that are tweeting about it, it's all the kind of the, what I would call the hardcore side on the right that isn't afraid to talk about January 6th.
	I don't know exactly if Fox is, but I didn't see any of the Fox personalities tweeting about it.
	Wow.
	That's fascinating.
	Let's keep our eye on that, Eric, as well.
	I've already reached out.
	As soon as I heard the news, I reached out to Counsel Shipley, who was the new lawyer for Jacob Chansley.
	I said, send him our crown.
	Congratulations.
	God bless that naval veteran.
	And if he wants to, the doors are open.
	We are happy to have him on our show.
	But we had William Shipley, his new attorney on the show, just I think it was less than two weeks ago when that footage was released.
	Last thing I have to say, super fun way to open the show.
	I love my team.
	God bless America.
	This, what we have seen in the last few hours, is the real America.
	And also, God bless Kevin McCarthy.
	Whatever you may have thought about him in the past, this happened, I think, because of what Kevin McCarthy did.
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	Okay, bye.
	Have a good one, guys.
	Bye-bye.
	Boil should be up.
	Yeah, can you hear me?
	Yes!
	Dr. G, how's it going, sir?
	Good.
	Where is the Boilinator today?
	Back home in St.
	Augustine, Florida.
	Nice.
	All right, so much to discuss.
	What are you working on?
	Uh, all sorts of different things, man.
	So, you name it.
	Alright, so... I mean, everything.
	All sorts of crazy stuff.
	Whatever you want to talk about.
	Alright, let's... I'm going to use the Biden cut on being a Greek.
	We'll do that.
	What else is good?
	Did he just appropriate another identity?
	I can't keep track of him.
	Yeah, he's Greek.
	They used to call him Bidenopolis.
	It's a great cut.
	I'm not joking.
	I am not joking.
	Oh, Swalwell.
	You love Swalwell, right?
	Yeah, I love Swalwell.
	We'll do Swalwell.
	Okay, good.
	That's good, that's good.
	Oh, and Jeff, that Cut 2, Crush the Gun Culture, we're going to need that for the two-way guest tomorrow.
	Okay.
	When I read it.
	What is that noise?
	I think that's Matt.
	Title for that opening bonanza.
	January 6th, Shaman, Jacob Chansley is free. - I see.
	With that segment, we inch closer to the proposal a long time ago that seems to have mysteriously vanished that we, the team members, start interviewing you on the show one day.
	I never agreed to that.
	I said it was a proposal.
	It never made it out of commission.
	We can do that.
	We can do that.
	Geoff can interview you about sports.
	Yeah, that'll be very... You know, when I play Trivial Pursuit with my wife's family, I always say, yeah, I'm not answering the green questions.
	Sport questions, you can pick any other color.
	I'm not playing Trivial Pursuit unless you allow me not to answer the sports questions.
	45 seconds.
	All right.
	Standby, Matt.
	PhD.
	Oh, OK.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah. yeah.
	Oh, yeah. yeah.
	Here's looking at you, Snowflake.
	America first.
	I'm so excited for Jacob Chansley, the J6 Shaman, and especially for the response from the American people.
	800,000 engagements on that tweet.
	You're right.
	I'm not going to say this many times, but my team is right.
	He is a symbol of injustice and the American people know.
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	Let's check into the conservative juggernaut that is Breitbart.
	And to the man who knows the swamp better than most.
	He's their Washington bureau chief, Matt Boyle!
	Happy Thursday!
	Dr. G, always a pleasure.
	Great to be here, as always.
	Alright, in our prep in the break, I think I caught you unawares because you didn't hear the latest from that, what is it, what is it Bongino calls him, that rotten bag of oatmeal in the White House.
	I do like that.
	This is the latest from Joe Biden.
	Cut it.
	I won by 3,200 votes for the Senate seat when I was 29 years old.
	They started calling me Joe Bidenopolis because, oh, you think I'm kidding?
	I'm not joking, am I?
	I'm not joking because of the overwhelming support from the Greek-American community.
	Irish, Italian, Puerto Rican.
	Now we're supposed to believe that he's Greek, Matt.
	Well, I mean, he actually is Irish Catholic.
	We'll give him that one.
	But everything else is like... I mean, he's not Puerto Rican, no.
	He was never going to be an NFL walk-on football player like he claimed he was going to be.
	No, hang on!
	A truck driver!
	Don't forget truck driver!
	He was going to be a truck driver.
	I think he claimed to be Jewish at one point.
	Oh, and don't forget, top of his class and he got two degrees.
	It's mind-boggling.
	By the way, I pulled up an article about this while we were talking during the break because I wanted to see.
	Of all places, actually, the Washington Post actually did a great story of all the identities.
	What?!
	Yeah!
	I can't believe that they did it.
	I found it from October last year.
	They did a whole story about all the identities he tries to get.
	He also claimed when he delivered the commencement address at the U.S.
	Naval Academy that he was almost going to go to the U.S.
	He wasn't going to go to the U.S.
	Naval Academy.
	He was a senator at 29 years old.
	The whole thing is just unbelievable to me that he just keeps getting away with this because if a Republican tried this, they would get decimated by the media.
	The media just gives him a giant pass.
	Um, but I mean, look, at the end of the day, if he, you know, if the media keeps giving him a pass and he keeps winning, then he's not gonna, he's not gonna change his ways on this.
	But Biden has plagiarized his entire life and he's adopted and associated and appropriated identities his entire life.
	And, you know, you go back to the 1980s and the 1990s and the 2000s.
	I mean, he's been doing this forever and he just keeps getting away with it.
	It's just mind boggling to me.
	But there's a tell, Matt, you know the tell, when he says, not a joke, then you know he's lying.
	Right, not a joke, or what was the thing he just said there?
	I forget, it was something like, I'm not kidding, or something like that.
	Yes, yes, yes!
	Exactly.
	Not a joke, I'm not kidding.
	You all think I'm kidding.
	By the way, he said the exact same thing when he was claiming to be Jewish.
	You all think I'm kidding.
	I'm looking at the quote here in the article.
	He goes, quote, I'm a practicing Catholic, but I'd go to services on a Saturday and on a Sunday.
	And he goes, you all think I'm kidding.
	I'm not.
	This is when he was telling people that he goes, quote, I probably went to shul more than any of you did.
	You all think I'm kidding.
	When he was speaking to a Jewish gathering celebrating Rosh Hashanah.
	Like, it's absolutely unbelievable.
	I don't know how he gets away with it.
	I've got to ask you, because you are the person that looks at politics through a microscope and has for years and you write these huge in-depth articles and you break news.
	What is your gut telling you as Washington Bureau Chief?
	When you hear stuff like that, you know, I'm Jewish, I'm Puerto Rican, I'm Greek, I was a truck driver, I was the top of my class, I got two degrees.
	Is he just senile or does he just have such a massive alacrity for lying?
	He lies like water flows down a slope.
	Which one do you think it is?
	So I think it's a combination actually.
	It's very similar, okay, so he had a speech impediment when he was a kid, growing up, and he, you know, to his credit, he worked past it, he got past it, he became a U.S.
	Senator.
	And for decades, you know, served in the United States Senate, which is very difficult to do with a speech impediment, and he was very good at covering that up and getting past it.
	What happens is people get older and they start exhibiting signs of Alzheimer's, is that they start Things like that start coming back out again, and he can't keep track of it all.
	And then, you know, your weaknesses really start showing again.
	And so what I think he's doing is, as a politician, he's always been trying to find ways to relate with regular people, you know, anybody that he's talking to, except here's the problem, he can't keep it straight anymore because he's lost a step.
	And, I mean, literally loses the steps on the way up to Air Force One all the time.
	So it's it I think that what's going on here is he can't keep it straight.
	It's it's very similar to somebody that's like, you know, if they've got multiple personality disorder or something like that, and then they start having Alzheimer's, they might have been able to cover it up their whole lives.
	But now that they're, they can't keep their story straight anymore, because they can't remember certain things and whatnot, that in the memories blur together.
	And you see that happen when he goes off script.
	If he sticks to the script, the White House staff feel very good about it.
	If he goes off script in a public event, you always see Biden.
	I mean, without fail, make a mistake.
	Yeah.
	And then he talks about his curly hairs and, uh, you know, the, on his legs and then corn pop.
	Um, just got a minute left in this segment, but we'll keep you on.
	Can we be so lucky Matt Boyle that this rotten bag of oatmeal is Bongino says will be the person that the conservative candidate runs against in 24.
	Could we be that lucky?
	I think that's what's going to happen.
	I don't see any serious challenge materializing to him at this point.
	I've been saying it for two years, right?
	If they were going to have somebody serious run against him, you have already been seeing that person make moves.
	That's not happening right now.
	So everything looks like Biden is going to be the nominee in 2024.
	Incredible.
	And we know who the nominee is going to be on our side.
	We'll discuss that and so much more with the Washington Bureau Chief for Breitbart.com, Matt Boyle.
	Follow him right now on Truth Social at Real Matt Boyle.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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	We'll be back with Matt in a moment.
	A little bit about the awful exploitation of Nashville. - Cool.
	Sure.
	What about Swalwell?
	Oh, we can play it.
	Cut 4.
	Everything we do is designed to protect them, because they're the most precious people in our community.
	They're the most innocent people in our community.
	Except, protect them from the one thing that is killing them more than anything else.
	And that's gun violence.
	And that's what's so maddening, is that if we had Republican allies here, we could protect our children from what's killing them most.
	So, you as a Republican, I think, by your negligence in protecting them, You can either side with the kids and protect them, or we're going to say that you're siding with the killers, because there's really no other way to describe who is benefiting from your absolute inaction.
	Can you come in with the ice cream cut, the short one from Biden?
	Let's see if I still have that.
	Make sure this is it.
	I'm Dr. Joe Biden's husband.
	And I ate Jenny's ice cream.
	Chocolate chip.
	I came down because I heard there was chocolate chip ice cream.
	By the way, I have a whole refrigerator full upstairs.
	You think I'm kidding?
	I'm not.
	God.
	There it is again.
	You think I'm kidding?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	He's probably lying.
	He probably doesn't have a full refrigerator full of ice cream.
	Maybe he does.
	I would believe him if he said that, honestly.
	Alright.
	Two minutes.
	Play me cut ten again.
	And you said kidnapping an American.
	I assume you believe that Russia should release him immediately.
	Immediately.
	I mean, you know, the problem is that they're now going to use him as leverage, and so it's not going to be that simple, unfortunately.
	But obviously, this is not the game that Putin should be playing.
	I think Joe Biden has shown that he's not someone who's going to be toyed with when it comes to these sort of things.
	So come in with ice cream, you said?
	Yes.
	Then I'll do my pillow.
	90 seconds then it might be long.
	Alright.
	And play me seven again.
	Seven again, Sonny Houston.
	And so as a woman of color with a 6'2 black kid in college and a 5'7, 5'8 black kid in high school, I don't see that part of American exceptionalism.
	I'm sorry.
	I think this country has a lot of problems that could be solved.
	Yes, maybe they're putting Muslims in jail in Afghanistan, I think you mentioned, and China.
	They're putting a lot more black people in jail here.
	She talking about height or race?
	I was gonna say, why the height?
	Why do we need the height?
	Yeah, I was gonna ask that.
	So bad.
	And, uh, that's good.
	That's good.
	30 seconds.
	Coming in with Biden ice cream.
	30 seconds.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	I'm Dr. Joe Biden's husband.
	And I ate Jenny's ice cream.
	Chocolate chip.
	I came down because I heard there was chocolate chip ice cream.
	By the way, I have a whole refrigerator full upstairs.
	You think I'm kidding?
	I'm not.
	God.
	There, again.
	You think I'm kidding?
	That's his tell that he's lying.
	But it's not that he's lying about his fridge of chocolate chip ice cream.
	It's that he said that just hours After the Nashville mass murder of young, young nine-year-old children and teachers and a custodian of the Presbyterian Covenant Church.
	Unbelievable.
	There you have it.
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	We are back with the Washington Bureau Chief of Breitbart.com, Matt Boyle.
	Matt Boyle, you know, you have been following these people for more than a decade now, but aren't you even shocked by the speed with which They twisted the events of Monday.
	Here we have Eric Swalwell who, by the way, threatened to nuke American citizens if they believed in the Second Amendment.
	This is his disgusting spin on the Nashville tragedy.
	Cut for.
	Everything we do is designed to protect them, because they're the most precious people in our community.
	They're the most innocent people in our community.
	Except, protect them from the one thing that is killing them more than anything else.
	And that's gun violence.
	And that's what's so maddening, is that if we had Republican allies here, we could protect our children from what's killing them the most.
	So, you as a Republican, I think, by your negligence in protecting them, You can either side with the kids and protect them, or we're going to say that you're siding with the killers, because there's really no other way to describe who is benefiting from your absolute inaction.
	So Matt, the Republicans, who now control the House, who were elected to do so by the American people, we are on the side of the killers.
	How low can they go?
	It's absolutely ridiculous.
	Look, here's the deal.
	Guns don't kill people.
	People kill people, and sometimes they use guns to do it.
	So you have to ask yourself, why are people killing people?
	Why is this happening?
	And here's the thing.
	In this particular case in Nashville, The manifesto is being kept secret right now.
	Why won't they release that to the public?
	I think the public has a right to know what was going through this killer's mind, and we need to address the underlying causes as to why someone like this would go and engage in this type of activity, as awful as it is.
	There are other societal things that have been leading to these shootings.
	But here's the thing.
	The Democrats are not interested in actually solving the societal problems that are culturally leading to this.
	There are hundreds of millions of firearms in America, right?
	Guns don't kill people.
	People kill people, and they sometimes use guns to do it.
	And here's the deal.
	You could ban all the guns in the country.
	Sicko people that are going to engage in such awful actions like this might Use a different thing.
	They might drive a car.
	We've seen that happen before.
	Remember the parade in Wisconsin?
	Right?
	Like, I mean, there's all sorts of different other things.
	There's knife attacks, machete attacks a lot of times in Europe.
	There's very strict gun control laws.
	Disgusting sick people who are mentally ill are going to find ways to engage and carry out the thing.
	So what we need to do as a society is address the actual causes of this stuff and prevent it from happening again.
	And we need to have the proper security in schools.
	Having good police officers armed in schools to protect children and teachers is extremely important.
	And frankly, the fact that we're not having that honest discussion is because of the fact that the Democrats are so far gone on protecting this radicalized transgender sick agenda, really.
	And frankly, we need to, as a society, actually address this stuff.
	And until we can get there, we're not going to solve these problems.
	What's your expectation?
	We just got 30 seconds left.
	Do you think Biden will try to push through some kind of executive action on gun control?
	It's even worse than we've seen.
	He says that he doesn't have any more authority to do anything else on guns.
	And he's calling on Congress to enact his gun controls, which are dead on arrival, by the way.
	I've talked to the speaker about this.
	They're not happening.
	There's not going to be I don't know.
	Maybe they try to do something else via executive action but what they've already tried has already been caught up in litigation so I don't know if we're gonna see anything like that.
	All right.
	We shall see.
	We know they want to disarm us.
	It's up to us to stop them and to support people like Speaker McCarthy.
	Follow him on Truth Social Real Matt Boyle, Washington Bureau Chief of the juggernaut that is Breitbart.com.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	That Gwyneth Paltrow case is seven years old.
	I'm sorry.
	How can you sue somebody for a ski slope collision seven years ago?
	Yeah, I don't understand that in the slightest.
	Um.
	Oh, you want the mics off?
	Yeah.
	All right,
	mic's off. All right. mic's off. All right.
	All right.
	America first!
	It's magnificent.
	Call board is absolutely lit up.
	Phil, Antoinette, Don, Sean, Jared, don't go anywhere.
	We'll get to you after our next guest.
	But we have to decode something for you, like, you know, those magic decoder rings.
	DC is a city of acronyms.
	What is ESG?
	ESG is a threat to your future and especially your retirement.
	The massive companies like Vanguard, like BlackRock, that are meant to be securing your future, investing billions of dollars, are actually using left-wing ideologies like ESG to pump their proclivities, their political are actually using left-wing ideologies like ESG to pump their proclivities, their political preferences into what was And it threatens your future because their politics shouldn't be a part of your retirement funds.
	There's one organization that's been fighting against abuse and fraud and protecting consumers for decades.
	It's Consumers Research.
	Please find out today.
	They don't want a penny from you.
	They want to educate you on the threat to you and your pensions.
	Go to consumersresearch.org.
	That's consumersresearch.org.
	And we are delighted to be joined today by none other than the Executive Director of consumers research.
	Will Hild, welcome back to America First.
	Glad to be with you.
	Now, I need to have this, you know, I use the acronyms myself.
	I'm a former national security guy.
	I fall into the acronyms with far too much ease.
	Will you explain to our millions of listeners what is ESG and what is the goal of those who promulgate it?
	Absolutely.
	Well, ESG stands for Environmental Social Governance, and it's billed by its supporters as just another style of investing, like value investing that Warren Buffett is famous for, or momentum investing, or investing based on technical charts.
	What it really is, it's a stalking horse.
	It's a wedge that people like Larry Fink, the CEO of BlackRock, and other very politicized companies use to force progressive policies into corporate America.
	So they manage large pools of capital on behalf of a lot of different governments.
	For example, BlackRock is one of the biggest managers of state, local, and even federal pension funds.
	We're talking about billions of dollars, right, Will?
	Oh, trillions.
	I mean, BlackRock has about $8.5 to $9 trillion of assets under management.
	And again, that's not their money.
	That's your money.
	That is state, local, and federal pension funds.
	That's 401Ks.
	That's university endowments.
	This is money they are supposedly stewarding for other people and supposed to be maximizing their returns, focusing on investing in good businesses and making sure those stock prices go up.
	Instead, they are taking that position of trust that they have And they are using it to force far-left woke pop...
	into corporate boardrooms.
	So take the E, for example.
	Really what all that means is that they are pushing corporations to commit to hitting net zero targets.
	So I'm sure you've already educated your listeners that is a pathway to deindustrialization, the pathway to lower living standards.
	It is a World Economic Forum conspiracy against the American way of life.
	But it's also attacking fossil fuel industries, which are the lifeblood of any vibrant economy. - Exactly, exactly.
	So this is hurting people in a number of different ways.
	One is a consumer.
	This drives up costs.
	When companies are focused on listening to Larry Fink and BlackRock, they're not focused on listening to you and serving your needs.
	So costs go up, quality goes down.
	It's hurting you as a shareholder.
	Many of your listeners, I'm sure, have government pensions, have private pensions that are being managed by BlackRock.
	It's going to hurt your returns.
	And it even hurts you as an investor if you don't have a dime of money with BlackRock.
	Because let's say that both you and BlackRock are invested in Exxon, but BlackRock is using their outsized influence to push Exxon to make investments into boondoggle, so-called green energy scams that do nothing but make for nice press releases.
	And so, your shares of Exxon are worth less Even though you don't even have money with BlackRock because they are pushing that company and we see this happening over and over and over.
	Won't they pay a price?
	I mean, at some point you'd think market forces should dictate.
	These companies have to bring a return on the investment of our money.
	Is it literally really driven by people like Fink who are just personally ideologues and that can turn these companies into mirrors of themselves?
	Yes, it really is that bad.
	And unfortunately, in this case, we're going to have to work very hard to employ market forces because, like I said, they're managing a lot of government pension fund dollars.
	The customers that they are serving are our state and local and federal municipalities.
	So unless those entities step up and say, you know, we're not going to take it anymore, Larry.
	We're not going to do business with BlackRock or Vanguard or State Street.
	We're going to take our pension dollars elsewhere.
	The market's not going to correct this behavior because the market participants in this case are the pension funds.
	And even worse, as I noted, a lot of the power that they have comes from shares of companies.
	It would be better if they boycotted the American fossil fuel industry.
	It's worse than that.
	They're investing in it and then using those investments to push the companies themselves into a bad direction.
	Consumers Research has been fighting the woke left-wing agendas of numerous corporations.
	Just a short list would be American Airlines, State Farm, Nike, Coke, Levi's, American Express.
	The ESG proponents are now in the White House.
	They're running the Senate.
	So we're not going to find allies there.
	Talk to us.
	We've got a minute left.
	What is happening at the state level that's exciting in a potential way forward?
	I think there's something that happened in Kentucky.
	Talk to us about that avenue, that recourse.
	Absolutely.
	Across conservative held states, you know, so-called red states, You're seeing an upswelling in pushback against the ESG scam.
	What that means is that more and more states are passing laws that say, if you're going to use ESG in your investment portfolio, if you're going to use ESG criteria to push corporate America in a progressive left position, we're not going to use you anymore to manage our state's pension funds.
	And this is what it's going to take.
	You talked about using market forces to correct BlackRock and others' behaviors.
	Their customers are going to have to start firing them.
	And that's exactly what states are doing.
	If you are in any state with a Republican legislator, Republican governor, we beg you to call them and tell them you care about ESG.
	You don't want companies like BlackRock and Vanguard managing your state's pension funds against your interests.
	You want your money to push your values, not your money to push against your values.
	And so you've got about 20 to 25 states right now that are considering legislation today.
	Guys, it's about your future.
	It's about the political distortion of your investments against your will, and it's endangering your pensions, even if it's a state pension.
	Find out more at ConsumersResearch.org.
	That's ConsumersResearch.org.
	God bless you, Will and the team.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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	Okay, line four.
	Who's this?
	Ah, hello.
	Yes, hello.
	Who's this?
	Yes, hello.
	Yes, hello.
	What's your question?
	What's your comment?
	Um, so you're taking me off air, clearly.
	Um, I just want to comment on the fact that the Evaldi cops did not go into the school to pick up a shooter because they were afraid of his gun.
	That's what they said, which in both interviews... Why are you talking through a sock?
	Are you, like, on a steam-powered phone?
	What's your problem?
	I can barely hear you.
	Better?
	Here, how's that?
	Better?
	Go ahead, what are you saying about Evaldi?
	So, uh, a report just came out, um, that the cops did not enter the building to confront the shooter because they were terrified of the gun he was using.
	Well, where did that report come out?
	Go look at it.
	No, no, no, no.
	You call into my show.
	Where did it come out?
	I'm reading it right now.
	You're in the post.
	I'm reading it.
	When?
	No, where?
	It was reported by the Texas Tribune.
	It's in the New York Times.
	So what?
	So what?
	What's your point?
	What do we do when the cops are too afraid to confront people with weapons?
	That's bullshit.
	That's bullshit.
	You're telling me 20 guys who each had long arms are afraid of one person?
	I don't care if they said that.
	I don't care if you say you're a real American.
	You're not.
	You're a scumbag.
	I don't care what they said.
	Oh, it's weird, isn't it, that two guys, one with a pistol, weren't scared.
	You're a bullshit merchant.
	Get off my show!
	20 seconds. 20 seconds.
	Can't handle the truth?
	Is reality just too much?
	There's always NPR.
	I hear they have tote bags.
	This is America First with Sebastian Gorka.
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	But we got people waiting for ages on the line.
	Let's walk down the numbers.
	Line one from Philly.
	Phil!
	Happy Thursday!
	Hey, thanks, Dr. G. I like the way you tune that guy up when you're off the air.
	That's why we love you in Philly.
	Too much.
	That was Philly style.
	That was for you, Phil.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	You know how they, I mean, when I say the big lie, you know what I'm talking about, right?
	That's what the doctor's pushing.
	Well, here's this.
	We were dealt lemons.
	Let's make lemonade.
	Let's do the big six.
	As President Trump says, you came into this country illegally.
	When I'm re-elected and you register and you vote Republican, I'm putting you in the energy sector.
	You're going to work in oil, gas, nuclear, or solar, and I'm going to give you a guaranteed pathway to citizenship.
	You've got two choices.
	You can be a man and support your family and make a good living, or you can be a welfare recipient.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	Phil.
	Phil, Phil, Phil.
	How about this?
	Or we can deport you.
	I like that better.
	Interesting idea.
	Thank you, Phil.
	God bless you.
	Got to go with the ladies.
	It's Thursday.
	Antoinette, line two.
	Dr. G, I'm still laughing.
	You took care of what's his face.
	What an idiot telling me, oh, the cops in New Valley were scared of the guy with the gun.
	What, all 30 of them were scared?
	Go to hell, you pathetic person.
	Hey, Dr. G. Yes?
	Happy Independence Thursday, the injustice of it all, and all our prayers, Dr. G, for two very important people.
	For Jacob Chanson, for sure.
	Our prayers are working.
	It's so strange!
	I'm not an expert on grand juries, but to postpone a grand jury for a whole month?
	Isn't that weird, Antoinette?
	Also, plus, Dr. G, everybody needs to continue praying in the belly of the beast here on the West Coast.
	Yes.
	AB, Assembly Bill 665, and it's dealing with the transgender people.
	They are mentally ill.
	I'm sorry, they're crazy.
	And the state of California is trying to pass this bill so that the kids from other states besides here come to our state and get mental health free without any parental permission.
	So that's another crap bill.
	It's utter, utter, that's Maoist, that's Marxist.
	You are putting a wedge between children and their parents.
	It's utterly evil.
	We shall discuss it, but thank you.
	And of course the bill is 665 because that's only one number away from the number of the Dark Lord.
	Thank you Antoinette.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	Don, Sean, don't go anywhere.
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	Jen Horne, stay on this channel.
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	What really happened between Disney and DeSantis?
	Shocking new revelations that do not look good for the governor.
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	Still working on it.
	She's not connected yet.
	Yeah, Jeff's calling her.
	Connected.
	Hello, Jen?
	Can you guys hear me now?
	Yes.
	Now you can hear me.
	Yes.
	Are they ready for the Skype?
	Would you like Skype now?
	Yeah, can you dial us on Skype?
	Yes.
	Oh, there we go.
	Vimeo for the Will Hyland interview, right?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Hi, guys.
	Actually, no.
	Roundbook is important.
	Alrighty.
	What is ESG?
	Yep.
	And how does it threaten your retirement?
	Have you been following the Disney news?
	Have you been following the Disney news?
	Have you been following the Disney news?
	Have you been following the Disney news?
	I know Sebastian well.
	Listen to him.
	He's with us.
	I do believe I recognize that voice.
	I think it's my former boss.
	Thank you for that liner.
	We love that liner.
	This is America First.
	I am Sebastian Gorka, and that was my former boss, President Trump.
	It's time to talk West Coast politics with our regular West Coast warrior princess.
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	Jennifer Horne, how are you on this glorious Thursday?
	I am doing really well.
	How are you?
	It's nice to... I'm usually here on Wednesdays, so I'm a little thrown off, but that means we're one day closer to the weekend, I guess.
	I guess that's the good news.
	But you had a special event yesterday that you were hosting.
	Who was your special guest?
	Yeah, this was kind of exciting.
	So our station, AM 870, The Answer, put together an event, An Evening with Larry Elder, and kind of how Larry might run if he were to jump into this race, which he said clearly and publicly he's thinking about doing perhaps next month.
	There would be a formal decision made.
	And how he would fit in, what his policies would be.
	And I think probably the most interesting thing, Seb, What's dividing most of the movement right now is the question about Ukraine and Russia and how we're supposed to function, if we're supposed to be feeding Ukraine or not.
	What did Larry say?
	What side is he on?
	Well, he kind of sits where I sit, which is, I think, where you sit, where we can't just let Vladimir Putin take over that area.
	We can't turn our back to him.
	We also can't allow him to rebuild the USSR, which is what he has said he wants to do.
	So you also can't hand over a blank check because you have to help Ukraine without Also acknowledging that they're a corrupt country, essentially.
	So Larry said that he would continue to support Ukraine, but primarily in military aid and not with the blank check, which the Biden administration has promised.
	And I think that's that's a good answer.
	It's tolerable unless you're on the Tucker Carlson side.
	We also talked about the fact that Ron DeSantis has completely Flip flopped all over the place about where yes on Ukraine and on Russia.
	So I don't know what DeSantis is doing there, but it was a mistake and it's been pointed out by people who were even in his camp.
	I think people who were thinking about voting for him have noticed this flip-flopping on such an important issue.
	All right, let me talk about The Santas for a second, because this is a fascinating story.
	It kind of has such weird elements to it.
	It sounds like satire.
	So I'm reading from The Daily Caller, and I know, you know, you're a big fan of Disney as was.
	The Reedy Creek Improvement District Designed to grant Disney self-governing status and special privileges, just before DeSantis made his big decision, signed a last-minute agreement with Disney before it was abolished by the Republican Governor DeSantis.
	Now listen to this.
	This is like something out of a Disney movie.
	So DeSantis signed legislation to replace the Reedy Creek kind of self-governing autonomous zone with the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District Board, thus ending Disney's self-governing status, revoking all kinds of special powers it had.
	It had its own police force and all kinds of things.
	Ahead of the legislation, Disney and the Reedy Creek District reportedly signed agreements on February 8th to give Disney the district's development rights and privileges.
	The legislation passed the House on the same day these other agreements were signed.
	Now here's the kicker.
	The agreements that provide Disney new special statuses have a clause, and you can see it on Twitter, I've posted the image of the clause, the actual wording, that deems them effective until 21 years after the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III of England passes away.
	Let me repeat that.
	The new special exempted statuses for the Disney Corporation will last for 21 years until the last descendant of King Charles III dies, which means basically forever.
	The local news outlet explained why King Charles is mentioned, but is there any way any of that happened without the governor of Florida knowing?
	You know, I think this all relates back to what I'm feeling is a trust issue that DeSantis is getting, and I think that people are seeing it.
	You know, I've come on this program with you before, Seb, and I've said that I think that DeSantis is a great governor, and I want to see him be able to run for the presidency again in four years after President Trump has the chance to go in and really do what he needs to do to save the country and put it on the right path.
	But stories like this one make me question the intention and the integrity of Ron DeSantis.
	And it seems like these these things are lining up, doesn't it?
	What does he really stand for?
	What is he standing for?
	He's saying one thing to people, but then you hear stories like this and it may not be what we seem.
	I'm feeling like he is suffering a crisis of integrity, and I don't know how that is going to serve him as he tries to move into the presidential race.
	I think that his state may be happy with what he's saying, but what is he really going to be all about if he were to serve the country as president?
	How are you feeling about a statement like this?
	I mean, do you feel like he's suffering with an integrity issue as well?
	I literally, while you were speaking, I wrote that phrase down because that's going to be the title for our segment.
	It's beautifully put, of course, because it's you, Jennifer.
	Crisis of Integrity.
	It reminds me of Rich Barris, who's going to be on my Newsmax show this weekend, where he's a pollster and one of the most reliable ones out there, who said on Charlie Kirk, our colleague's show, and I used the cut.
	I invited him on here.
	He's going to be on Newsmax on my show on Sunday, who said the issue is, and this is what The establishment should have realized in 2015.
	The issue is authenticity, right?
	Absolutely.
	Policies come and go.
	Most Americans don't really debate policies.
	They make a snap judgment as to whether the individual, the governor, the representative, whoever it is, the presidential candidate, is authentic.
	And when you see, Barris said this, it's clear over the weekend after the Bragg thing broke That the strategists, the campaign advisors, told Ron, you know, you don't want to get involved in this, tell them it's irrelevant to you, you're focusing on Florida, but have fun with it.
	So when he does that press conference on Monday about another issue completely, some cyber thing, journalists ask the question, and he, not once, twice, does the hush money for porn stars jab.
	And then says, as a former Jag, a former Jag, I'm not interested in this.
	Despite the fact that this political persecution is against not only a president who's a Republican, who basically got you in office because of his endorsement, but he's also a resident of the state of which you're a governor.
	That's when the authenticity or the crisis of integrity really began, Jag.
	And I think the thing is, is that Republicans for a long time have been sold really great candidates, people that we have a lot of faith in.
	And when they get elected, they don't serve us.
	You can say whatever you want to say about President Trump, but you know who he is.
	You know what to expect.
	You know what you are going to get.
	I don't think that we need another person to go into office and promise us a lot of things and then not act in the way that they have promised us they would.
	And you know, it's really interesting because, and I made this a topic on my show on the Morning Answer on Monday, I heard one of our colleagues here at Salem Radio, and I'll just mention because it's fair and this is not an attack on him.
	I respect the heck out of him.
	Hugh Hewitt was talking about the fact that Donald Trump made it very clear in his rally in Waco that he was going to be looking back and it was going to be sour grapes and it wasn't going to be on focusing forward.
	And I heartily disagree with that.
	I think Trump looks very organized.
	He is talking about important issues.
	And the fact that people in our movement don't realize that the prosecution or the persecution of a president is not just about Trump.
	It's about all of us and that that isn't the most important issue.
	That is incredibly short-sighted because if it's not Trump, it's you.
	If it's not you, it's me.
	It's about all of you listening.
	We cannot allow our government to attack people for a different political ideology.
	Yeah, and Hugh should know better.
	He's a lawyer by training.
	He's an attorney.
	I believe he even worked in a conservative Department of Justice.
	And really, I don't care whether you're a lawyer, an attorney, or whether you've worked in an administration or not.
	If you're a conservative, you don't have to be a Republican.
	If you're just a patriot, if you don't understand the only issue that matters in this case is whether there is rule of law in America, You're missing the point.
	You know, whatever the reason is, you know, financial reasons, ideological reasons, personal animus, I don't care.
	The point is, do we have equality before Lady Justice?
	Or can a local DA, can the FBI, can the DOJ go after you for political purposes?
	Whether you're a pro-life activist in Philadelphia, That's right.
	Or whether you're a January 6th, you know, protester grandma who was hunted down by the FBI using data from the cell phone providers.
	Or whether you're a former president of the United States.
	You nailed it, Jennifer.
	Oh my gosh, so much more to still discuss.
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	What a crazy story, right? right?
	Disney.
	That is so insane.
	But it doesn't surprise me.
	I actually sent an apology to Jeff, because I was saying, I think DeSantis is going to be great.
	And Jeff was all the way through.
	You're Jeff, right?
	Saying, nope, he's right.
	He was right.
	Good judge of character on that.
	I give him props.
	Very good political instincts.
	I don't think there's any better.
	That King thing, it's called the Royal Lives Clause.
	It's actually common in contracts.
	It's basically how they get things for, you know what I mean?
	Forever.
	Yeah.
	What's it called?
	The Royal Lives Clause?
	Yeah, that's what it was.
	The Royal Lives Clause.
	When I skimmed through the rundown this morning and I saw he always describes each article and he said, another win for DeSantis.
	Before I even read any further, I knew.
	I know, I know.
	He only editorializes on a few people and Ron is one of them.
	The DeSantis show continues.
	Who else do you editorialize on?
	DeSantis is most lately.
	There was one I used to that I was a little wrong on.
	I used to do the Kevin McCarthy.
	McCarthy's been doing okay.
	He's been good.
	Yeah.
	Oh, and I'm going to mention Jacob Chansley on that tweet again.
	Yep.
	Okay, I need to get it again.
	That's being completely ignored because they don't want to draw any attention to why he's being let out.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, totally.
	I mean, it's shocking.
	Oh, because of Discovery, right?
	Well, I mean, because of the lawyer dumped the video.
	Believable.
	I just hope he gets rid of his costume.
	He's lost weight.
	He's a shadow himself.
	All right, the Royal Lice Clause is a contract clause which provides that a certain right must be exercised within the 21 years of the last living... Why the British one?
	I've read that.
	OK.
	Rationale.
	OK.
	The clause became part of a contractual draft.
	Of course, there's a rule against... The rule against perpetuities.
	The rule provided any further disposition of property must invest in the life... trusts and options...
	What do they even mean by descendant?
	Like direct descendants or forever?
	Basically they just don't want to say forever.
	This is the forever clause.
	Oh my god.
	That's so bad.
	I've heard that before.
	In the United States they've also used the President's Lives Clause.
	Oh boy.
	And they've used the Kennedy's, the Rockefeller's as well.
	Ew.
	Ew.
	Creeper.
	Creepy.
	I want to have a contract like that, though.
	Wouldn't that be fun?
	Yeah.
	The Descendants of the King.
	This is great.
	21 years after eternity.
	That's right.
	Oh, title for Boyle, Seb?
	This is funny.
	IndieWire.
	The headline is, Disney just pulled a Game of Thrones move on DeSantis with a bizarre royal mortality clause.
	That's good.
	That's good.
	So good.
	All right.
	Yeah, what did I put here?
	For Matt.
	You said for Jen we want to do that Crisis of Integrity line.
	Yes, DeSantis' Crisis of Integrity for the one-on-one.
	Oh yeah.
	20 seconds.
	You know what you should do.
	Yep.
	That's happy.
	Yeah, that's great.
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	I mean the transgender victim is a prostitute and the client is, um, unpleasantly surprised and it doesn't end well.
	These are the facts, but of course the left will twist it.
	We're back with our good friend Jennifer Horne.
	I'm sure you spent most of Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday talking about this issue in Nashville.
	I'm curious, we get a couple of loonies phone in and we have fun with them usually in the breaks.
	I don't know if you have exclusively conservative callers.
	What was the big take home for you and what was the reaction from your listeners?
	I think mostly it's about how many of these school shootings are we going to take until we actually do something to harden targets?
	And I think that was kind of the main rallying cry from from our crowd, from our from our listeners saying that it's enough is enough.
	And that, you know, the the left's excuse, and just to talk about this for a second, is that they don't want kids to feel like they go to school in a jail.
	In fact, President Biden himself said that.
	But my response to it is, well, how many mass What kind of shootings do you see happen in a jail?
	It's protected, right?
	People can't just walk in there.
	And when we go to a bank, we don't feel like we're in a jail.
	This woman told you everything you need to know that opened fire.
	We can probably stop using her name now, but the shooter in this case, she said that she chose to go to that school because it was an easier target, that she had another place in mind, but it was too secure.
	So why would we not do the right thing for our kids?
	Put some armed security and lock down the places where people can enter.
	A glass door on a church, sadly those days are gone.
	We can't have that anymore.
	We have to start keeping our kids safe.
	We have to make sure our places of worship are safe.
	And it doesn't have to be Rambo standing in front of a school, which is what I think a lot of people envision.
	You could have an armed school resource officer who is part of the school community.
	If you don't want to see someone, you could have a room where there are cameras set up.
	At least The response time would be quicker if something were terrible.
	They could run out of wherever their office is and do the right thing to protect people.
	The fact that the principal of this school heard those gunshots, and God love her, she made the call to police and then walked to confront this person to try to stop it.
	She ended up assassinated.
	But the fact that she had to do that unarmed or without protection is atrocious.
	We have got to do better.
	And I am so tired of hearing people have to apologize for offering prayers.
	We need to be able to pray for people.
	We need to be able to make real change.
	And we have to start taking this issue seriously.
	We're so tired as a country of having this conversation about babies being gunned down by psychopaths.
	Yeah.
	I didn't know that detail about the principal.
	I also want to note that one of the two girls who was shot, one of the nine-year-olds, was killed as she activated the fire alarm to make sure that her fellow students could escape and the footage of dozens of children being led to safety is thanks to that one little girl.
	Jen, were you shocked?
	What was your reaction?
	Because I've played it like three times already but The president's press conference occurred four and a half hours after the tragedy, so he knew what had happened.
	But he comes downstairs and he talks about ice cream and he starts laughing and giggling about his fridge.
	That happens in any country but in America, Jen?
	I was like speechless when I was watching this.
	And it was interesting because I had Fox News on while I was watching that feed.
	And they were waiting to go to the president, who was supposed to have remarks.
	He was supposed to be at this event at the White House with, I think, Women in Business, whatever it was that he was doing.
	When they went to him, it was even too much for them.
	And they actually panned away.
	They said, we can't believe this is a reaction of the president.
	We're going to come back to that.
	So on my show on Tuesday, I believe, we decided to play the entire thing.
	What did we miss when all of those news networks went away?
	And we played it in its entirety.
	And I have never been more scared for this country.
	I have never been more disgusted by someone's reaction.
	And also a little worried for the state of mind of President Biden.
	I have before said that I think that he's got evil intentions and he's always made bad decisions.
	And I think that when we say he's got dementia, it lets him off the hook for all the bad decisions that he makes.
	But there is clearly something going on.
	And you saw it when he responded to this.
	He's laughing about ice cream.
	Then when the cameras go away, he continues his small talk.
	He's like making eyes at kids in the crowd and he's laughing and yucking it up.
	And then he starts mumbling about the actual shooting and saying it's AK-47s.
	He said, he said, we didn't play that.
	He said, yeah, the shooter had two AK-47s.
	Right, which is not what happened.
	Then he was mumbling through that.
	And then it was like something snapped.
	And all of a sudden he goes, thank you, Natalie, for that introduction.
	And he launches into this speech off of his teleprompter.
	It was the craziest five minutes that I have seen from this president ever.
	Yeah.
	And something is going on and they're going to keep him going again.
	They're going to put him back on the ballot in 2024.
	Our country cannot handle this.
	The lack of empathy and sense of reality.
	I don't mean to be an alarmist.
	You know I love to laugh and have a great time and be optimistic about things.
	He is frightening.
	He is frightening.
	Truly, truly frightening.
	I think you said it best.
	It makes America more dangerous.
	It makes the world a more dangerous place.
	And we've seen that in Ukraine and elsewhere.
	Can't wait to see you soon, Inland Empire.
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	Thank you, Natalie, for that introduction when there was no introduction.
	Bizarre.
	Unbelievably bizarre.
	Jeff, will you find that and send it to Cassio?
	Yeah.
	Or just tell Cassio?
	Anyway, alright, well on that sad note.
	Solid on DeSantis.
	Yeah, he's a disappointment.
	Shame on you.
	What's interesting, and the elder said that he's not going to blow, you know, he's volunteering.
	I think he would like to be vice president or at least take his chance as president.
	But I like what he said.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	They're both here.
	Which one was the second one?
	It was Don and... Sean.
	Sean, okay.
	Don and Sean.
	Uh, just need a title for Boyle still.
	Oh, Jeff.
	Um, I've, I've locked in, um, John Lovell for tomorrow.
	For 2A.
	Uh, alright.
	Is that alright?
	Well, we might have... Well, we haven't heard back to that doc, but that's fine.
	We can just do it a different time.
	Which doc?
	The one about the firearms, remember?
	But I can move them to a different... Yeah.
	Remember the interview from last week?
	Oh, Jock Condon?
	Or no?
	Oh, Jock!
	No, no, no.
	Which doctor?
	Turn the mics off.
	Turn the mics off.
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	The most awesome voice in talk radio.
	No, not me.
	Dr. G. Thank you kindly.
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	Don, line one!
	Dr. G, praise from Marcus Aurelius indeed.
	What would you like to discuss today?
	Well, you know, Dr. G, it almost floored me.
	I listened to what the bad guys say because, you know, Sun Tzu, I don't know what the enemy's up to.
	And this left-wing, you know, Pacifica Radio guy was saying, well, we can't re-elect Trump because he's going to weaponize the justice system and go after the BLM Antifa members.
	And I laughed till I almost cried.
	I said, oh, you mean like the Democrats have been doing for the last how many years?
	You know, I was so happy when I heard the shaman got released, that poor fellow.
	Fourteen months early, Don.
	Yeah, thank God for that.
	But, you know, I know they're putting the screws to Tucker, but like all the platforms have, what we really need is to say, It's like the Sherlock Holmes story about the dog who didn't bark.
	The issue isn't just that the January 6th people are political prisoners, by and large.
	It's why aren't any BLM and Antifa members?
	There should be ten times the number in jail.
	I say, okay, if you're going to send our guys to jail, okay, you say they did wrong, okay.
	They should be in cells next to these SOBs.
	I don't care if it is 10 to 1.
	But there's not a parity there, because our guys aren't even arraigned for two years.
	I mean, that's the outrageousness of it.
	Pacifica Radio, how long can you stand listening to Pacifica?
	I'm curious, Don.
	Before your ears start to bleed.
	Couple minutes.
	Couple minutes.
	You know, just enough to get good and riled up and say, OK, that's about it.
	You know what I do?
	You know what I do when I'm driving to work in the morning for a few minutes?
	I listen to Sputnik.
	I listen to the Kremlin propaganda radio.
	And you're right.
	It's the same thing.
	You've got to listen to these guys because it's so dangerous.
	You've got to know what they're peddling.
	God bless you, Don.
	Thank you for your patience.
	Let's go to the other person who is very patient.
	New York City, Sean, line three.
	Long time no speak, doctor.
	Why?
	Where have you been, buddy?
	Just work, work, work, work, work, work, work.
	I had to call you because of the reparations gaining traction in California.
	Yes, come on.
	Why is this a problem?
	It's only going to cost $800 billion.
	So what are they going to do?
	Are they going to have to sell off their assets to pay this off because the taxpayer doesn't have the money?
	Hey, hang on, hang on.
	Gruesome Newsome could sell his hairspray.
	I mean, that's got to be at least $600 billion.
	I mean, you know, it's got to be the money there.
	Well, here's the deal.
	They said when Donald Trump brought his case in 2020 to the Supreme Court, it was dismissed for lack of standing, which I couldn't figure out because standing legally means injury, in fact.
	So if anybody had an injury, it was the candidate who was running for the 2020 election.
	But not only that, Sean, they said Texas, a state of the union, didn't have standing in a presidential election.
	It was a farce.
	Exactly.
	So the question remains, please tell me how people who were never slaves have standing.
	That's my question.
	So if they were never slaves, they don't have standing.
	And the purpose of the damages are restorative.
	They're restitution.
	So the argument is, well, we should be putting you where you would have been but for the injury.
	That means you would be back in Africa, right?
	So the question is, you know, are you better off than you would have been?
	Now, slavery is an abomination.
	Racism is an abomination.
	Slavery has been practiced all around the world.
	But an argument could certainly be made that the descendants of slaves are better off than they were.
	Before slavery back in Africa.
	But what about those who paid the ultimate price?
	Those who died to end slavery?
	And the idea, not only those who never were enslaved getting the 800 billion, Sean, what about the people who never had slaves having to pay them?
	It is the antithesis of justice.
	It's just communism under another label.
	Why?
	Because it's redistribution of wealth based upon identity politics.
	Nicely put, Sean.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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	Alex.
	Thank you.
	And I'm going to ask you before we go to Mr. Pollock, just to summarize that piece you did for American Greatness on Merrick Garland.
	Oh, OK.
	Here's the footage.
	Oh, it's good quality.
	Oh, yeah.
	All right.
	90.
	Yep.
	All right.
	So, hey, Andrew.
	Hey, buddy.
	That video.
	Is that from Berna?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	You want me to mention it?
	Sure.
	We did.
	I sent you the article.
	I don't know if you got the article.
	We just did.
	We just donated eight of them.
	I saw that.
	Yeah.
	And what was interesting, the superintendent wanted one of the schools.
	He got one with a rifle also the superintendent of fabulous.
	And when you say we who's doing the donation?
	Oh, my really it comes from my my daughter's foundation Meadows movement.
	Meadows.
	Okay, Berna donates 10% of sales from those shields.
	Did you ever get those shields?
	Didn't I send you some shields?
	Yeah, yeah.
	No, I got them.
	I got them.
	Yeah, so they donate 10% of their sales to my foundation, and that gives me the money to be able to help law enforcement in schools.
	Fabulous.
	this.
	All right, stand by 20 seconds.
	Thank you.
	No violence.
	No hate speech.
	Just happy warriors on America First.
	Shocking news.
	It's not the Metro Nashville PD.
	It is in fact the FBI that is trying to deep six the manifesto of the non-binary transgender mass murderer from Nashville.
	The FBI has swooped in and we managed to get body cam footage almost instantly.
	Thank you, National PD.
	But now the FBI doesn't want to release the manifesto.
	Why would that be?
	On top of that, Eric has written a piece for American Greatness.
	What is Merrick Garland refusing to do, Eric?
	He is refusing at this time to commit to having this shooting investigated as a hate crime.
	This happened when he was testifying before the Senate Appropriations Committee when Senator John Kennedy, we love him here at America First, mentioned that the 28-year-old shooter, a woman who believes she was a man, quote, could have had collaborators, end quote.
	He then asked Garland if he will use FBI resources to launch a hate crime investigation, to which Garland said very weakly, quote, As of now, motive hasn't been identified.
	Yeah.
	Well, we're not going to identify it if they try deep six the manifesto, but a transgender fake man killing children in a Christian private school.
	I think we know why they're hiding it.
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	At this point, sadly, I have to welcome back a good friend of the show who knows of what he speaks when it comes to securing our schools.
	He's the father of one of the victims from the Parkland shooting, the beautiful Meadow Pollock.
	Andrew Pollock, welcome back to America First.
	Oh, thanks for having me on, Sebastian.
	It's such an important message when things like this happen in our country, to get a message out there for real solutions, not what the Democrats after every shooting, what they always, they just spew this gun control stuff.
	And we never really, we never focus on the facts and the failures in this country to come up with real solutions.
	We'll talk about what your foundation, Meadows Movement, is doing to actually make children safer, along with a company that specializes in body armor.
	But I've got to get your reaction.
	We played it earlier.
	We played it on Monday.
	We played it on Tuesday.
	When you saw President Biden Five hours after the murder of those children and those adults, come down and talk about ice cream and chocolate chip ice cream in his refrigerator.
	What did you react?
	He's just sick and demented, the guy.
	And he's really not thinking about the parents.
	You know, those parents are going to be devastated forever, like me.
	People always ask me, what would you say to those parents?
	That there's kids were murdered and there's nothing I can say to them.
	There's no words of encouragement that I can tell a parent that they're going to feel better at some time in their life.
	Because for me now it's been five years and there's nothing really that could make me feel good again.
	My heart's been ripped out of my chest and you're never the same one.
	It's probably the worst thing that could ever happen to a parent is to have a child murdered.
	Yeah, it's a parent should never ever have to bury their child.
	That is just against the natural order of things.
	Mr. Pollock, you sent me a video this morning, a fascinating video.
	Let's just play it as B-roll in the background.
	Of an interesting piece of equipment.
	Looks like a regular backpack.
	You pull out one segment of it and it looks like it creates an automatic body armor on the front.
	And then there's actually a braced pistol that's pulled out as well.
	Tell us about this, the company that produces it, and who you, through your Meadows Movement Foundation, have supplied them to.
	Sure.
	What I came up with, I was fortunate enough to team up with burner by RN a burner calm, and it's about saving lives.
	So we came to the conclusion, you know, the best thing, you know, people who looked at that body camera footage in Nashville, the response time was 14 minutes.
	Okay, the police were incredible.
	They were heroes.
	But 14 minutes is unacceptable.
	For a mass shooting, you know, Parkland shooting took only seven minutes.
	So those teachers in Nashville, it's gonna they're gonna it's gonna come out that they saved their kids by training.
	And for some reason that we're very fortunate that there was only six people killed in that in that 14 minutes that it took the police to get there.
	But what this does is police are supposed to be on scene And at the school, okay, every parent should know that and demand that their school or trained teachers at that school to be able to carry a firearm.
	So what this backpack does, it will save minutes off response time.
	So now a police officer who's at the school, or at a mall or at a parade, he doesn't have to run to his car and get his rifle or go to a locker that's in the school or building.
	This gives them the ability to have that on them and carry it.
	And the end result is it's going to save lives, and that's what it's about for me.
	And giving the tools to law enforcement to respond rapidly and to finish that person that's looking to harm our children.
	And you've donated some of these to a specific district or school, is that correct?
	Yes, I've been... Anyone who wants donations or we could assess schools to see how they're protected, they could reach me on my Twitter, Andrew Pollack FL.
	And we donated eight of those to Bradford County, Florida, where the SROs in the schools are carrying them.
	And what was unique about Bradford was the superintendent there wanted one, and we gave him one of those backpacks too, Sebastian, with a folded AR in it.
	Which is, I just thought was wonderful that the superintendent wanted to protect his children that, you know, he wanted one of them.
	God bless you, Mr. Pollack.
	It's an amazing tribute to Meadow.
	The organization, the foundation is meadowsmovement.org, meadowsmovement.org.
	The book, please, please get this book, Why Meadow Died.
	The people and the politics that created the Parkland shooter and endanger America's students.
	And I salute Berner as well.
	That is the company that's providing those armored segments to those backpacks.
	That's BYRNA.com.
	Thank you, Mr. Pollock.
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	Alright.
	Titles?
	All right. Titles. Titles. Titles.
	Titles.
	How to stop the next school shooter.
	What are the topics I can't see?
	Line two is what?
	Two's about Biden's gonna run again, we need to get our act together.
	Uh, Marsha Blackburn being attacked for saying, pray for Nashville.
	Yeah.
	Um, Five is Democrats care much about securing schools as they care about securing the border.
	Yeah, that's good, okay.
	Did the screen change or something?
	Is it something that it's harder to...
	No, it's just my eyes change.
	The End
	The End America first.
	Maga-nificent.
	It's crazy.
	This news about Jacob Chansley.
	The tweet now has 1 million.
	1 million views.
	That's in just like 7 hours.
	People know he represents injustice in America.
	And the fact that he's been freed 14 months early.
	Amazing.
	Alright, let's go to your calls.
	Line 2, Kurt, Minneapolis.
	Dr. Gorka, thank you.
	You know, they, like you were talking about in one of your earlier segments, they are gonna run this Biden fool again.
	It's mind-blowing, isn't it?
	Biden!
	Yep, and any normal person is disturbed by his comments, but anybody that's voted for a Democrat in the last 15 years is not.
	Yeah.
	And they will run this fool, and a la John Fetterman, Katie Hobbs in Arizona, and Biden last time around.
	They will hide this guy, and if the average Republican doesn't get their act together, we're in trouble.
	We've got to get our thing together and get behind Trump, the best president ever.
	Your point is really sound.
	The Democrats will vote for a rotten pumpkin.
	So it's not about policy or about whatever.
	It's about we have to out-organize them.
	If you voted for Federman, if you voted for Biden after the ice cream comments, How are you doing, Dr. Corker?
	Thank you for taking my call.
	I was just reading an article this afternoon about how the left was, of course, going through the same spiel deflecting the school shooting on the NRA.
	But the last time I looked, the NRA isn't a 28-year-old trans woman.
	I don't know.
	Don't make obvious statements because the other side doesn't care about logic.
	Yeah, it's the transgender radicals that are to blame and those who don't want us to have weapons to protect ourselves and our children.
	Thank you, Patrick.
	Todd Atlanta, one more call.
	Yes, Dr. Gorka, I just wanted to say that the liar-in-chief Joe Biden and the Democrats care about securing schools about as much as they care about securing our border.
	And, you know, and thank you for standing up for J6 detainees.
	And I wonder when Jaden X and Bray Epps are going to be taken into custody.
	Yeah, you know when they'll be taken into custody, my dear friend?
	God willing, if we do our part on the afternoon of January the 20th, 2025, when we have a new Commander-in-Chief.
	Or rather...
	An old new commander-in-chief.
	God bless you, Todd.
	Great calls today.
	Next up, one-on-one with one of the best experts, if not the best expert, on the threat of communism inside America.
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	You're listening to the Manhood Hour on America First with me, Sebastian Gorka.
	We'll be back with Chuck in a moment.
	More with Chuck Holton on what it is to be a man on the Manhood Hour with me, Sebastian Gorka, in a moment.
	We'll be back with Chuck Holton after these messages.
	Welcome back to America First's one-on-one The Manhood Hour with former Special Operator Chuck Houlton.
	You're listening to The Manhood Hour with me, Sebastian Gorka, and freelance war correspondent Chuck Houlton.
	Welcome back to the Manhood Hour with me, Sebastian Gorka, and war correspondent Chuck Holton.
	Thank you.
	"The White House, we call it the White House, 'The White House'" in the "The White House" in the White House.
	"The White House, the White House" in the White House, and the White House, and the White House.
	The White House is a very important part of the White House.
	"We have built a permanent structure of government, federal, state, and local.
	The permanent employees, and they've come to the place that they actually determine policy in this country more than does the Congress of the United States.
	Was he talking about what today we would label the Deep State?
	I think he was.
	A clip sent to me by one of my listeners, Jack.
	Thank you for that classic cut from Ronald Reagan on the Johnny Carson Show.
	Let's talk about what Reagan predicted and whether or not the enemy is now inside the wire with the man who's authored so many books about the Gipper.
	We've got God and Ronald Reagan.
	The Crusader, Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism.
	And a Pope and a President, John Paul II, Ronald Reagan, and the extraordinary untold story of the collapse of the Soviet Union.
	We are delighted to have with us from Grove City College, the relatively new editor of the American Spectator, Professor Paul Kangor.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Hey, thanks, Seb.
	And that Reagan appearance on Johnny Carson, I would really commend that to people if they could track it down and watch the whole thing.
	It's very, very good.
	And it's pre-presidential years.
	It's in the 1970s.
	And I don't know how many people know this.
	I mean, I know this because of my research on Reagan, but Johnny Carson was a Reagan supporter.
	In fact, I've seen a number of letters at the Reagan Library between Carson And Reagan, and in fact, one of them, Reagan is directly thanking Carson, Carson and his wife, I think her name was Joanne, maybe, thanking them for a campaign contribution.
	So they had been, yeah, Carson was a Republican and a Reagan supporter.
	And so were a lot of his major guests, Bob Hope, for example, Bing Crosby, Jimmy Stewart.
	And in those days, Hollywood was, I'd say, much more balanced Although actually I think it's probably more balanced today than people realize.
	It's just that the conservatives there today are terrified to speak up because liberals today are so brutal that they will destroy you if you come out as a Republican.
	It's funny that you mention Jimmy Stewart.
	I was at a dinner on Sunday and a former member of the Trump administration, an actual cabinet member, said that One of the most exciting things, I think as a young man or maybe a teenager, on the campaign trail, Reagan stopped off and did a little speech literally on the tarmac at an airport close to where he lived to and then flew off to another event.
	And who got off the plane with Ronald Reagan?
	It was Jimmy Stewart, who was actually campaigning with him.
	The good old days when an actor could actually have a political opinion that wasn't left wing, right Paul?
	Well, yeah.
	And in fact, Jimmy Stewart, I'm from Western Pennsylvania.
	Jimmy Stewart was from the town of Indiana, Pennsylvania, which is in Western Pennsylvania.
	There's a Jimmy Stewart Museum there.
	By the way, David Ayers, a professor at Grove City College, just did a really nice remembrance.
	He visited the Jimmy Stewart Museum.
	And wrote a nice write-up for us at the American Spectator, if people want to check it out.
	But Stewart was, speaking of getting off an airplane, I mean, he flew bombing missions in World War II.
	And at that point, I mean, he was still already a celebrity and he went off and fought anyway, as did people like Clark Gable, another Republican.
	In fact, Clark Gable did, it happened one night, right?
	A Frank Capra movie with Claudette Colbert.
	She was a Reagan supporter, and Jimmy Stewart did a number of different Frank Capra movies, including Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.
	Of course, It's a Wonderful Life, which I think was after World War II, maybe.
	But Jimmy... Well, the younger brother is a war hero, is a World War II war hero, remember?
	That's exactly right.
	And so Jimmy Stewart really faced, you know, he put himself in harm's way.
	Yeah.
	I mean, he could have been quite easily shot down and killed in World War II.
	So he's really a great American and, and yeah, a very strong Republican and very close Reagan supporter.
	Through Reagan's gubernatorial years and through the presidential years in the 1980s.
	Professor Kangor's right.
	Go online, find the full video.
	It's a rather long, long interview between Carson and the pre-President Reagan and it's superb.
	Lots of great stories are told by the Gipper.
	I chose that very short clip for a very special purpose.
	It's that line that he says, you know, our big problem is this permanent bureaucracy, the unelected, who think they get to decide the future of the nation and nobody ever chose them or gave them a mandate to do so.
	Do you think he would recognize the enormity of that situation today when we see what the FBI, what the CIA, what the IRS are doing and riding roughshod over the rights of individuals for political purposes, Paul?
	Oh yeah, he'd be horrified by it.
	And it was in his 1981 inaugural address that he said, government isn't the solution, government is the problem.
	And what was the other line, Seb, he said?
	The most terrifying words in the British language is, I'm here for the government, I'm here to help.
	Right?
	Exactly right.
	We're thinking of the same thing.
	And he was, I think, one of the kind of major opportunities missed by Donald Trump, especially coming in as the outsider, as the rebel, as the guy that people voted for to sort of blow up Washington.
	I thought he should have done something really dramatic, like truly tried to eliminate the IRS.
	And I've heard people say, well, you really can't, though.
	What Trump needed was a sort of Reagan-like Berlin Wall moment.
	People remember Reagan for the Berlin Wall speech, the Challenger speech, fighting the Soviets, winning the Cold War.
	Cutting taxes, deregulation.
	You have all these kind of signature things.
	In fact, I remember reading a presidential historian who did a survey.
	He went back from Reagan, back 10 or 12 presidents, and people were asked, name three things about this particular president.
	In the case of Reagan, there was almost unanimity.
	People could say, oh, that's easy.
	Cut the size of government, defeat the Soviets, cut taxes, right?
	So successful presidents need those sort of signature items.
	And I think the problem with Donald Trump is he didn't come away with any of those.
	And now maybe if he had had another term, he could have.
	I mean, I think of the things that Trump did that I like.
	I think of Supreme Court appointees, for example.
	But he lacked that sort of Berlin Wall moment that... Let's go back in time, I think, and you are the historian of Ronald Reagan and communism, we'll talk about all that in a second, but long before the, what was it, 1987 Brandenburg Gate speech, I think the seminal moment when people realized, okay, this isn't your regular president, this isn't your regular Republican Uniparty,
	Right now is when he fired all the air traffic controllers when he gave that speech and he said if you are going to endanger if you're gonna go on strike and endanger the flights of Americans well I'm gonna fire every stinking one of you and then renegotiate your contracts or hire other people what wasn't that the kind of catalytic moment when people realize oh my gosh this guy is serious Yeah, including the Soviets.
	I mean, the Soviets found that really striking.
	And by the way, you know, Reagan was an old union guy.
	Yeah.
	You know, Reagan had been, he negotiated for the Screen Actors Guild.
	I mean, he carried his union membership card.
	Well, he was the president of the Screen Actors Guild.
	That's right.
	He's the president of it.
	And the day that he was shot, March 30th, 1981, he was coming out of the Washington Hilton after speaking to the AFL-CIO, where he talked about being a proud union member.
	And so with the air traffic controllers, this was a simple question for him.
	People think it's like an anti-labor thing.
	When Reagan sat down with Drew Lewis, his transportation secretary and others, and he said, this is real simple.
	They have a contract that says they can't strike, right, Drew?
	And he's like, yes, Mr. President.
	Well, then they're in breach of contract.
	And Reagan learned in his SAG days, right?
	You honor your contract.
	So that was a wake up call for the Soviets.
	And you can go back to Reagan's first press conference.
	Yes.
	where he famously said of the Soviets, they lie, they cheat, they steal.
	And you probably remember, Seb, the media just had a collective meltdown over that.
	And Reagan turned to Richard Allen, Dick Allen, who's still alive, he was his first national security advisor, and he said, "Dick, correct me if I'm wrong, but they do lie and cheat and steal, don't they?" They said, yes, Mr. President, they do.
	That reminds me of that great Dick Allen story from the first meeting of the cabinet or the NSC, where the guy comes to brief the president on foreign policy priorities.
	And the Soviet Union, blah, blah, blah, this kind of tepid boilerplate presentation.
	And he says, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
	When it comes to the Soviet Union, I have a plan.
	We win, they lose.
	That was the Gipper.
	We're talking to Professor Paul Kengo.
	He's the author most recently of The Devil and Bella Dodd, One Woman's Struggle Against Communism and Her Redemption.
	It's a really disturbing book, but an important one.
	The Devil and Karl Marx.
	He is the new editor of the American Spectator.
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	They blame conservatives as extremists.
	They call us the people who are baying for violence.
	Let's remind the world what the Democrat Party, what the left have become of late.
	This is just a very, very small, a brief montage of the true radicals in America.
	I just don't even know why there aren't uprisings all over the country, and maybe there will be.
	People need to start taking to the streets.
	This is a dictator.
	You know, there needs to be unrest in the streets for as long as there is unrest in our lives.
	Enemies of the state.
	Show me where it says that protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful.
	Do something about your dad's immigration practices, you feckless... When they go low, we kick them.
	How do you resist the temptation to run up and wring her neck?
	The biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right.
	I thought he should have punched him in the face.
	I said, even if you lost, he insulted your wife.
	He came down the escalator and called Mexicans rapists and murderers.
	He said, well, what do you think I should have done?
	I said, I think you should have punched him in the face and then gotten out of the race.
	You would have been a hero.
	I'd like to punch him in the face.
	I said if we were in high school, I'd take him behind the gym and beat the hell out of him.
	PUNCH SOME PEOPLE IN THE FACE!
	When was the last time an actor assassinated a president?
	They're still gonna have to go out and put a bullet in Donald Trump.
	And that's a fact.
	You're a historian by training, Paul.
	What happened to the Democrat Party?
	You know, I think back to the likes of Scoop Jackson and JFK.
	They never would have called for violence against somebody they politically disagreed with.
	And also, they were ardent anti-communists.
	Have you an explanation for what's happened?
	Yeah, you know, going back to JFK, I mean, they were they reached across the aisle.
	In fact, speaking of anti-communism, JFK ran against Richard Nixon for president in 1960.
	And years before that, the Kennedy family and Richard Nixon, they were all tight.
	They were all close.
	In fact, JFK's father, Joseph Kennedy, wrote a check to Nixon, the Nixon Senate campaign, When he was running against Helen Gahagan Douglas, who was called the Pink Lady.
	And they said, they said, you defeat her, Dick, right?
	They crossed party lines.
	Joe McCarthy, Joe McCarthy, who was a Republican, was very tight with the Kennedy family.
	Dated one of the Kennedy daughters, used to hang out at Hyannis Port at the Kennedy compound.
	Robert F. Kennedy worked for Joe McCarthy.
	In fact, Robert F. Kennedy's daughter, I think it's Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, her godfather is Joe McCarthy.
	So and then fast forwarding to Ronald Reagan and another Massachusetts famous politician, Tip O'Neill, how they got along so well.
	But no, you would have never heard calls for violence like that.
	And thank you, Seb, for playing that montage.
	And I could see it on the computer because I'm doing this via Skype.
	And I could tell people that are listening probably half those clips are from MSNBC.
	Yeah.
	Which is very disturbing.
	If people talked that way on Fox or Newsmax, they'd shut them down right away.
	And lines like that from Nancy Pelosi, two or three of those were from Pelosi, referring to Republicans and conservatives as enemies of the state, and people calling for outright violence, punching, assassinating Donald Trump.
	And the liberal left forgets about all of this.
	All of this, and they want to focus on something else, like January 6th or whatever.
	Yeah, the only insurrection in human history where the insurrectionists were unarmed and the only people to get killed were an unarmed Air Force veteran of 14 years killed by a police officer.
	Paul, so how did we get here?
	Because there's this kind of See change moment where and you're the expert of the 20th century where we were we were fighting the external ideological enemy who had agents of subversion domestically They had people who were Americans who were helping them.
	Sometimes, you know, like the Rosenbergs, they were the willing traitors.
	Often they were just what Stalin called useful idiots.
	But now it seems as if the majority of the ideological enemy is actually inside America and it's not Russian agents, it's not Chinese agents, but the primary problem are American Politicians who wish to dismantle America.
	Can we say that Karl Marx won in a certain way?
	Yeah, what did James Burnham say?
	For the left, the preferred enemy is always to the right.
	Right?
	And so no matter what is going on otherwise with some other issue, the preferred enemy is the right.
	I'm kind of surprised right now that they You look at so many leftists who are flying Ukraine flags right next to their gay pride flags, right?
	And it makes me kind of uneasy.
	I mean, certainly I'm anti-Putin, and I write about it all the time, and I urge people on the right to please be anti-Putin too.
	But I always have this sense of unease allying with people on the left whose preferred enemy are Christian bakers and florists, and parents opposing CRT and DEI and so forth.
	But kind of the larger picture, I think a lot of these people on the left today, they're not liberals.
	They are leftists.
	They are hard leftists.
	But it's a peculiar kind of leftist that likes the FBI and the IRS being used to politically target pro-life preachers and people who politically disagree with them.
	It's a very weird kind of leftist because the left used to hate the man, didn't they, Paul?
	Right, right, exactly.
	I remember PJ O'Rourke used to say that a lot.
	But they did.
	Well, kind of in the 60s, right?
	The hippie left.
	The hippie left was against big government.
	LBJ was their target.
	Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?
	They were burning their draft cards.
	The conscientious objectors in those days were leftists, like the Berrigan brothers and others who didn't want to go to Vietnam.
	Today, the conscientious objector is the Christian Baker.
	Who's begging the LGBTQ lobby to please leave him alone, right?
	I don't want to have to make a cake with two guy figurines on the top of it.
	Could you just go somewhere else, please?
	No!
	You're a hater!
	But does this mean that Karl Marx's ideology is now, you know, the Berlin Wall fell, Soviet Union dissolved, Warsaw Pact gone, but it seems as if, you know, the zombie-like Ghost of Karl Marx has fully infiltrated one of our political parties, Paul.
	Well, I think in different ways.
	I mean, Marx called for the, quote, ruthless criticism of everything that exists.
	Marx had a favorite quote of all things from Goethe's Faust, the Mephistopheles character.
	Now, the Mephistopheles character was the demon, the devil character.
	And that quote was, everything that exists deserves to perish.
	So there's a sort of nihilistic anger, tear it down.
	And as you heard in the montage, punch them in the face, right?
	Enemies of the state, where there's no charity in it.
	There's just anger.
	There's just this kind of fulminating rage.
	And I think to take it into a deeper spiritual level, today's left is highly secular.
	It's become de-Christianized, which reminds me of the kind of the Jacobins of the de-Christian.
	In fact, they even have a publication called the Jacobin of all things today.
	They think that's cute.
	But Woodrow Wilson's day, FDR's day, JFK's day, liberals back then, liberal Democrats were religious.
	Yes.
	Woodrow Wilson was a five-point Calvinist.
	Well, not only that, I mean there's videotape of Biden not too long ago talking about how abortion is a tragedy and Obama, Obama's saying a marriage is between one man and one woman.
	We're talking to the editor of the American American Spectator, Professor Paul Kengel, Grove City College.
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	All right, Paul, you mentioned the war in Ukraine.
	The latest piece you sent me from The Spectator has to do with the sabre rattling, the rusty sabre rattling of Vladimir Putin, Putin's nuclear itch, concerning some very, very disturbing statements he has made.
	Talk to us about this former KGB colonel and what's happened in the last year with regard to the Kremlin and their master plan for domination in Eastern Europe.
	Well, he's increasingly been talking about nuclear weapons, and I've noticed this going back almost a year now.
	So his invasion of the Ukraine is now about, I guess, maybe 13, 14 months old.
	So I followed his nuclear rhetoric very carefully.
	It's very disturbing, the different things that he's been saying, and I felt all along That the more desperate that this guy gets and the more that the Russians lose on the ground in the Ukraine, which they will because the Russians always get their butts kicked in military battles.
	I mean, people say it all the time.
	Can you believe the Ukrainians are repelling the Russians?
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, the only time the Russians ever pull anything off is thanks to the Russian winner when they're invaded.
	Right?
	Napoleon 1812, Hitler... The drop in temperature and the mud, right?
	Yeah, that's exactly right.
	And by sheer numbers, you're losing 20, 30 million people in World War II.
	You take the U.S.
	and the U.K.
	combined in World War II, we lost like, what, 600, 700,000 combined.
	Multiply that by like 30 or 40, and you're getting to what the Soviets lost in World War II.
	It's relatively easy to win when you have no regard for human life and you've got a lot of people to just kind of throw into the minefield.
	That's exactly right.
	Yeah, throw them into the meat grinder, which they did in World War One.
	And Afghanistan.
	That's right in Afghanistan.
	So here they are, they're losing in Ukraine.
	That's not a surprise.
	And I fear and I felt all along and I'm not trying to scare people or be alarmist, that that if Putin can find a reason out of desperation, as kind of a cornered rat, right?
	And who was it?
	Rebecca, she wrote the book on this and talked about the metaphor of... Rebecca Koffler?
	That's it.
	Rebecca Koffler talked about Putin as a kid being cornered by a rat in his apartment building, right?
	And saying that he would never, ever do that again.
	I just see him lashing out.
	And what I wrote about at American Spectator this week, Here's the situation.
	This just happened.
	So Russia learned last week that Britain is supplying to the Ukraine tank munitions that use depleted uranium shells.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Now, these are armor-piercing rounds that accompany their Challenger 2 tanks that London is providing to Zelensky and Kiev.
	Now, Britain has used these rounds for years, for decades.
	They are considered standard conventional armory.
	Here's what Putin said in response.
	Quote, it seems that the West really decided to fight with Russia to the last Ukrainian.
	No longer in words, but in deeds.
	But in this regard, I would like to note that if all this happens, then Russia will have to respond accordingly.
	I mean that the collective West is already starting to use weapons with a nuclear component.
	The British Ministry of Defense said this is hogwash.
	In fact, I quote a British Army tank commander and chemical weapons expert who says this is classic disinformation.
	Desinformatsia is what the Soviets called it, disinformation.
	But Hungary has already responded by urging Britain to not supply these munitions because Hungary, being a NATO member country, knows Putin's looking for a pretext.
	Right.
	And whatever it takes to agitate this guy and give him a reason to possibly go nuclear isn't good.
	But let's be clear here.
	For those who aren't familiar with these munitions, depleted uranium is a side effect of nuclear processing.
	The round isn't nuclear.
	It's uranium metal that is very dense, very heavy, heavier than lead.
	It's like tungsten.
	It's very hard, which means it retains mass when it hits the target.
	So, of course, you're absolutely right.
	This is a KGB colonel using desinformatia.
	He's saying, oh, this is a nuclear weapon.
	No, it's just a very heavy metal that makes for an effective bullet, quote unquote.
	But of course, we need people like the good Professor Kengor to unpack that for us.
	The latest article, you've got to check it out, is up on the American spectator Putin's nuclear itch.
	The more he loses, the stronger it becomes.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	Independence Hall, please.
	Too much of what's happening in our country today is not normal. - No.
	Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic.
	With war in Europe, with an open border, with rising inflation, with 110,000 killed by fentanyl in the last 12 months alone, the idea that any leader of any party or an incumbent president would label half the nation as a threat to America as fascists Paul, that never happened during the Cold War.
	How dangerous is this rhetorical flourish that we are seeing again and again and again from right inside the White House?
	Well, to again circle back to someone like Ronald Reagan or John F. Kennedy, they never talked that way.
	In fact, the president that Reagan defeated, the incumbent in 1980, Jimmy Carter never talked that way.
	I mean, that's over the top.
	75 million people voted for Donald Trump, which is a gigantic number.
	And so to speak that way, yeah, it's outrageous.
	And to go back to what we were talking about in the previous segment, with what's going on in Ukraine, with what Putin is doing, I mean, this ought to be a time for someone like Biden to try to unify the country.
	Putin, in addition to saying what he said last week about the uranium depleted munition shells, He said just over the past weekend that he's planning to put nukes in Belarus this summer in June or July.
	That's only a couple months off.
	And for people who don't follow that part of the world, the biggest thug dictator post-Cold War in all of Eastern Europe and the former Soviet bloc, other than Putin, is a guy named Alexander Lukashenko.
	Who even looks like a Cold War KGB thug.
	He really does.
	In fact, he and Putin are like right out of Central Casting.
	You can picture these two guys working together at the KGB in the 80s, and he's been in charge in Belarus since 1994.
	He's going on 30 years.
	Since Belarus became independent and democratic, this guy basically hijacked the whole country, has kept himself in power for almost three decades, just like Putin did when Putin came to power in 2000.
	So these two guys are teaming up.
	And for people who, again, want a good sense of this, look at a map, okay?
	I don't have it in front of me, but I think I got my geography right.
	Belarus is between Poland and Russia.
	Go north of Belarus, you have Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, all NATO member countries.
	Go south of Belarus, you have Ukraine right down there.
	So if nuclear missiles get placed in Belarus, man, they are right literally on the doorstep on the literal border of Poland.
	But let me ask you somebody who is, you know, preeminent as a historian in the Cold War era, who knows where these people came from.
	These aren't strangers.
	As you said, these are right out of central casting from the Cold War.
	These are thugs from the Soviet Union.
	These people aren't crazy.
	This isn't, you know, little Kim in North Korea.
	They're evil.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I mean, these are murderous thugs.
	But are they irrational, Professor?
	No, they're not irrational.
	I think that's a big difference.
	In fact, Lukashenko served in the Red Army, the Soviet Army.
	Vladimir Putin served as lieutenant colonel in the KGB where he learned desinformatia, disinformation, agitprop, agitation and propaganda.
	So these guys know what they're doing.
	Little Kim and his father and the one before him, they're nuts.
	They're out of their minds.
	They are really weird guys.
	When you're kidnapping actresses off the beaches of South Korea to become members of your harem, You're a tad weird.
	That's right.
	What they call their satisfaction corps, their pleasure squad, which is this group of poor North Korean women nabbed off the streets by the authorities to serve as sex slaves to the dictator, totalitarian, hereditary dictator.
	Kim, Kim, Kim.
	Three Kims since the mid-1940s.
	But in the case of Putin and Lukashenko, you can just tell by looking at these guys, they have this grim, cold, calculating look.
	And they're much smarter.
	They're much more strategic.
	And I think they're much more dangerous.
	I mean, Kim has not invaded South Korea.
	They might talk about it from time to time.
	But the fact that Putin would go in and take not just the Crimea, but go all the way to Kiev and won all of the Ukraine, this is a dangerous individual.
	But let's be clear, that decision wasn't a function of some irrational spur-of-the-moment decision.
	We know Putin's been giving these public speeches for the last 21 years of how Ukraine is not a legitimate state, doesn't have a right to exist, neither does Poland, neither do the Baltic states.
	But the real catalyst was, of course, what?
	Why did nothing happen while we were in the White House?
	The catalyst was the 46th president surrendering in Afghanistan, leaving in just the most shamefaced fashion.
	And that's when Vladimir looks at his watch and tells his generals, OK, guys, America's not in the picture.
	Let the tanks roll.
	This is logic.
	That's right.
	The 20th anniversary of 9-11, right?
	It's going to be September 11th, 2021.
	And we were to celebrate 20 years without the Taliban.
	What happens on September 11th, 2021?
	The Taliban flag.
	is flying once again over Afghanistan.
	And Putin looked at that, Xi looked at that, and it was just a few months after that that Putin moved against Ukraine.
	And the last time that Putin had done this was 2014 under Barack Obama.
	And liberals, listen up, I know you hate Donald Trump, but Putin didn't do anything like this under Trump.
	For four years, he hit the pause button.
	So he did it in 2014, he did it again in 2021.
	And to go back even further, and I wrote a piece on this for American Spectator, called New Revelation on Putin's Long Plan to Partition Ukraine, how Putin was talking about partitioning Ukraine in 2010.
	So for people who are listening, including these weird kind of Putinists in the United States, who want to blame all of this on Zelensky, and Zelensky came in in 2019.
	Yeah.
	All right, so Putin has been doing this 2010, 2014, and the speech that he gave, basically a State of the Union speech to the Duma, April 2005, that's when Putin called the collapse of the Soviet Union the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century.
	That was 2005, 14 years before Zelensky came into power and started his Nazification, as Putin called it.
	The Nazification of a nation being led by a diminutive Jewish comedian.
	Never let facts get in the way of your communist narrative.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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	All right, we're almost out of time, but you raised it, and it is for me one of the most
	The sorest issue for me politically of the last 14 months, and that's these people who say they're conservatives, Paul, who say that ignore Ukraine, who cares, let them go to hell, Putin's a good guy, he's fighting the globalists, and he's a Christian martyr to the West.
	The idea that a former KGB colonel Is somehow a good guy.
	Do you have any idea where this insanity comes from?
	I get isolationism.
	There's a strong thread in US domestic policy of domestic politics of isolations.
	But to think a KGB colonel's a good guy?
	Yeah, it's very, very troubling.
	And almost any time I write a piece on Ukraine and Putin, I get emails from people calling me a warmonger.
	And I said, what?
	A warmonger?
	It's almost like what liberals do.
	They come up with this weird phrase and they throw it at you.
	And you're scratching your head.
	You don't even know what it means.
	And I have to say to people, I don't want war between the US and Russia.
	I'm just criticizing Putin here.
	Putin's the aggressor.
	Putin's the aggressor.
	He invaded this country.
	For 100 years, the Ukrainians have been under the jackboot of Russia, the Soviet Union, going back to 1920, 1922.
	to 1920, 1922, Holodomor in the 1930s, a forced famine, where five to 10 million Ukrainians out of a population of about 30 million starved to death in just a few years in a forced collectivization famine by Stalin.
	And they suffered through the '40s, the '50s, the '60s, '80s.
	They finally break free, 1990, '91, declare independence from the Soviet Union.
	And they're an independent country.
	They're not perfect.
	They've got problems.
	And then they've got this wolf at the door at the Kremlin, who wants to partition them, who wants to take him back, takes the Crimea, then invades Kiev.
	Putin invaded them!
	So Ukraine is not the aggressor here.
	Going a little bit deeper, I think a lot of them, Seb, are inclined to say favorable things about Putin because of I don't know, they like him maybe on some cultural issues?
	Right, but if Putin says, I don't like homosexuality, that doesn't make him a good guy, because guess what?
	Neither did Bin Laden.
	Does Bin Laden suddenly become a hero because he liked to kill homosexuals?
	I mean, where is the critical thinking?
	I know, I know.
	Yeah, they'll say, well, you know, Putin's against same sex marriage.
	And he says, we will have mama and papa in Russia.
	Okay, well, good.
	Yeah, he supports, you know, mom and dad families.
	I'm with him on that.
	But that doesn't mean that you therefore go and look and excuse or find reasons to think that given the benefit of the doubt when he's invading the Ukraine.
	Let's be clear.
	Here's my response.
	I think we should be helping Ukraine.
	Why?
	Here's a little historic factoid for all conservatives and anybody who loves America.
	If Holland, Spain and France hadn't supported The Revolutionary War in this nation, America would still be part of the Commonwealth of the UK.
	That's just a fact.
	They helped us become independent.
	This is Ukraine 1776.
	All right, that went Far too quickly, he's the editor of American Spectator, Grove City College, who's Professor Paul Kengor, most recently the author of The Devil and Bella Dodd.
	Prior to that, The Devil and Karl Marx.
	He's got a thing for communists who like the devil, which isn't surprising, because they all do.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker, this is America First.

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