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	Greetings!
	Good afternoon, dear friends.
	Yes, indeed, this is America First on the Salem News Network.
	Latest update from Nashville, from the Covenant Presbyterian School, is that three children and three adults were murdered by an active shooter.
	A 28-year-old female.
	Very, very unusual.
	The identity of the killer has not been released as of yet.
	We know the following.
	The shooting occurred after the killer entered through a side entrance to the private school.
	Happened in a foyer, in a hallway area, not inside the classrooms.
	Within a matter of, I think, 12-13 minutes, the police arrived.
	Just a handful, a small team, two or three officers, entered the building, located the killer, and shot her to death.
	I would request right now that today and for the ensuing days, you pray for the souls of those who were lost, who were murdered.
	The three innocent children and the three adults.
	Pray for their families.
	Give them strength.
	And pray for those who are affected but still alive.
	The other students who were taken out of the school, who were saved by the authorities and by the teachers and the administrative staff.
	And the first responders, the police officers, the ambulance workers.
	Let us keep them in our prayers.
	Now, I don't know who the person was who did this.
	If we look at the patterns for the last 10 years, 15 years, there are commonalities.
	The most obvious commonalities, most usually these are young men who perpetrate these shootings.
	In many cases they are individuals who have telegraphed their intent or in various other ways have had run-ins with the authorities, with medical services, in several cases have been prescribed very heavy drugs for psychological, psychotic conditions in some cases.
	And beyond that, they very rarely ever come from stable family homes.
	In this case, it's a woman.
	It's an adult.
	We don't know if there's some political nexus.
	This was a private Christian school, so it is not out of the question.
	Very rarely do these actually happen at private schools of this ilk, such as Covenant Presbyterian.
	But I think there is a high likelihood That this individual didn't just go from one day to the next from being a normal individual.
	Somebody that had lived a completely blameless normal life that hadn't signaled in some way shape or form to her family members, to her neighbors, to her work colleagues.
	Remember, this isn't a student from the school.
	This isn't the Columbine shooting.
	This is a 28-year-old adult female.
	The absurdity of the situation today that we live in, and I have to even raise the possibility, is it actually a female? - Well.
	Or is it somebody who identified as a female should not be lost?
	That's in the broader context that we today when we have news items it's in the the rundown for our show today of a trans woman complaining because of a pat-down search by TSA and quote the article says her testicles were hit by the TSA officer That is the absurd situation we find ourselves in today.
	But if it turns out to be a real female, a biological female, that is in itself unusual.
	But I think it's pretty, pretty sure that there would have been some sign, some signal.
	The question is, how were those signals reacted to?
	Did the authorities do anything about it?
	We know some killers in recent years who have had more than 20 interactions with local law enforcement.
	Individuals who've spoken openly about wishing to use violence, kill their fellow students, and then they get access to weapons.
	It's not the weapons that is the problem, of course, because a gun by itself doesn't kill anyone.
	A loaded gun can be left on a table, but it requires a human being to pick it up, to aim it, and to pull the trigger.
	If the individual concerned has indicated malevolence to their fellow human being on multiple occasions.
	If they've telegraphed, if they've said things that have frightened those around them, which is so patently obvious and the case so often, Then the system has failed.
	Why has it failed?
	Is it just some kind of question of regulations and somebody not dotting an I or crossing a T?
	No, sadly, of course it has nothing to do with that.
	It has to do with fear.
	Not fear of the individual, But fear of speaking out, of saying, that person has to be dealt with, that person has no adequate supervision, no adequate positive influence at home, and is a threat or a potential threat to those around them.
	On the manhood hour on Friday, my My good friend Grant Stinchfield said something quite remarkable in its simplicity.
	We always ask our guests, and if you're not familiar, please make sure you're subscribed to the show so you never miss that hour we spend with somebody we highly respect to talk about what it is to be a man in an age where the classic concepts of manhood are under constant assault.
	Grant, who's a huge champion of the Second Amendment, used to work for NRA TV, he said something so clarifying.
	I always ask my guests, what does it mean to be a man to you?
	Give me some of the non-negotiable characteristics of a true man.
	Grant said, a real man, purely by dint of his existence, wherever he is, He is making those around them safer.
	Not necessarily physically, but in all kinds of ways, emotionally and other ways.
	But primarily physically.
	Please understand, if you have a young son, if you're a coach, if you're a scout leader, this is perhaps the most important thing you can teach a young man.
	That once you are a man, You must be measured by your willingness, by your almost automatic default setting to protect the vulnerable.
	The young.
	Children.
	Women.
	Yes, women.
	It's not sexism.
	It's real life.
	We go to war.
	That's men.
	And we must protect the vulnerable in society.
	And that includes telling the authorities and being a member of the authorities who's prepared to speak the truth when they see somebody who is a ticking time bomb.
	Will we find out that this woman signaled her intent?
	I think that is highly likely.
	We'll keep you updated, but in the meantime, pray for the souls of those lost, and for the families left behind.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker, this is America First.
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	All right.
	We have fixed cut eight here.
	Okay, play it.
	Go ahead and play it.
	Justice will only be done when we have thrown this repulsive political class the hell out of office.
	You have to get it now.
	In 2016, I declared I am your voice.
	And now I say to you again tonight, I am your warrior.
	I am your justice.
	Did you put it in that handbrake thing?
	What?
	I can't hear you.
	I'm talking to Eric.
	That wouldn't make a difference.
	That's for frame rate rather than audio quality.
	Keep playing.
	Is that it?
	We have...
	What?
	We also have cut eight for the Bearis interview, or 11 for the Bearis interview.
	Play it.
	The same group of people, the Paul Ryan Consulting class that now surround Ron DeSantis.
	So it shouldn't surprise anybody that the kind of content you're getting out of Ron DeSantis is what we saw from Scott Walker.
	Republican voters recoiled from that.
	Even though at that time, they weren't sure yet.
	Definitely not all of them.
	We're not sure yet what to make of Donald Trump.
	But what they saw with Scott Walker was that he was trying to be somebody he wasn't, because he was listening to consultants, and Donald Trump was being authentic, being who he was.
	And what Ron DeSantis did yesterday was come out and be somebody that the voters did not think Ron DeSantis was.
	Alright, play the Trump cut again.
	Justice will only be done when we have thrown this repulsive political class the hell out of office.
	We have to get them out.
	In 2016, I declared, I am your voice.
	And now I say to you again tonight, I am your warrior.
	and your exaltest.
	And we took a lot of heat for this one.
	But I only mean it in the proper way.
	For those who have been wronged and betrayed, of which there are many people out there that have been wronged and betrayed, I am your retribution.
	We will take care of it.
	Okay.
	Is he dialing us?
	Jeff's working on it.
	One minute.
	Oh, titles?
	Monologue of our brandon.
	What happened to me after January 6th?
	- Mm-hmm. 40 seconds. Oof.
	Nashville school shooting, colon.
	The opposite of Uvalde. PhD.
	Thanks.
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	Welcome back, dear friends.
	The latest update we have is apparently not confirmed, only once or so far.
	The 28-year-old female shooter at the Presbyterian Covenant School was a former student.
	As soon as we get secondary confirmation, we will share that with you as well.
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	We love justthenews.com.
	We haven't seen them do a lot of this kind of on-the-street guerrilla reporting, but we love to have John Solomon on all the time.
	But last week they buttonholed a member of Congress who had three big fat cigars sticking out of his pocket and they asked him about a certain Floridian governor.
	Let's listen to that cut again.
	Cut nine.
	Play cut.
	He was irresponsible.
	Ron DeSantis had an opportunity to show that he was a true leader and that he supported President Donald Trump.
	But Donald Trump is living in Ron DeSantis' head.
	That's what he's doing.
	He's living it, and he expressed it, and he displayed it right out in front of the American people, talking about prostitutes and hush money, this and that.
	Ron DeSantis, you made a big, big, big mistake the other day, and I think it's not good.
	You are not ready today.
	You're not ready yet to be the leader of our party.
	He is the former sheriff.
	He represents Texas.
	Congressman Troy Nels, he's actually with us right now.
	Congressman, welcome back to America First!
	Seb, it's good to be with you, buddy.
	Prayers to the families in Tennessee and that school, Seb.
	You know, it's been breaking news for a couple of hours, the more details, but you know, you think about those small children and those adults.
	It's just another horrible tragedy.
	A horrible, horrible tragedy.
	But I have to say, and I made this point already on social media, that it is an utter contrast to what happened in Uvalde for more than 70 minutes.
	Here, within 15 minutes, a law enforcement arrived, a very small, I think it was a two-man or a three-man team, entered the building and killed the shooter, which is exactly what every law enforcement officer should do on the scene.
	You don't wait, you go in and you engage.
	When children are in trouble, Sheriff, that's what you do, correct?
	That is correct.
	And that's been taught.
	It's been taught for years when I was the sheriff of a large county in Texas, 826 employees.
	It was called Active Shooter.
	It was a program that was designed by the FBI, and it was taught as universal.
	So whether you're here visiting in Washington, D.C., or you could be in Alaska, California, or Georgia, if there is an active shooter, everybody responds the same way.
	You go in.
	You don't wait for backup.
	You go in.
	You go in right away.
	And when you go in, you hunt down the shooter.
	You don't stack up like they did in Uvalde.
	And I say shame on those officers.
	I don't know how they live with themselves right now.
	Yeah.
	We will keep the people of Nashville in our prayers.
	We're talking to Congressman Troy Nels.
	Follow him right now.
	Rep Troy Nels, N-E-H-L-S, and nels.house.gov.
	Congressman, I have a mea culpa.
	As soon as I found that video and I used it on my show last week, I wanted to text you and tell you thank you for being outspoken, for telling the truth.
	Because, look, I want a primary.
	I want as many candidates as possible.
	I want them to politically duke it out.
	Best man, best woman left standing is the nominee.
	But what happened a week ago on Monday, a former JAG officer of the U.S.
	military, who is the governor of the state in which the 45th president lives, made jabs twice and then said, I'm not really interested in this, and then talked about, you know, porn stars and hush money.
	It's rather unseemly, is it not?
	Yeah, and that's what was really disappointed.
	And when I listened to him answer that reporter's question, I think his team, maybe it's Paul Ryan and some of the other anti-Trumpers, said, listen, the American people are pretty busy.
	There's a lot going on.
	We need to let the American people know what this potential indictment is going to be all about.
	And Ron, you need to let them know.
	That's why during his press conference, he never mentioned Trump himself, but he mentioned, hey, I don't know what all this stuff deals with, you know, hush money to porn stars and this and that.
	He said it twice.
	I said, shame on him.
	You know, this is the same guy for the past year or so that, you know, when comments would be made against him, derogatory comments, he wanted to stay above the fray.
	You know, that's where you come up with the sanctimonious.
	And now he violated his own rule.
	He got into the mud.
	Well, you want to get into the mud with Donald Trump and the mega movement?
	Well, then let's get into it.
	Because Donald Trump is a proven leader.
	He's had an enormous amount of success.
	In his four years, America was on cruise control.
	Everybody was doing fine, right?
	They were doing fine.
	Florida's going to do fine regardless of who the governor is down there because there's great people that live there.
	But wrong thing for him to do, wrong thing for him to say, but he made it about him and not this sham Manhattan DA going after Trump for political reasons.
	What are your expectations?
	We've been following this now for, what is it, eight, nine days.
	Given that there are even voices on the left, Congressman Nels was saying that this just, you know, really your star witness is a convicted perjurer.
	Do you think they go through with this?
	You think the left are so insane?
	Or do you think Bragg is finally going to drop it?
	Well, maybe some in the grand jury have finally realized that this is a stretch.
	I mean, but But, Seb, it is so easy to indict somebody.
	Your listeners got to understand all you need is probable cause to indict somebody on a felony.
	That's all it takes is probable cause.
	Folks, it only takes probable cause to make a traffic stop.
	That's it.
	You can pull somebody over a probable cause, not turning on your turn signal to turn left or to stop fully at a stop sign.
	That's what it is.
	It's probable cause.
	It only takes probable cause to indict someone.
	So the adage of you can indict the ham sandwich, it's so true.
	But maybe there's some reasonable members on that grand jury that say, this is, this is fabricated.
	You've got a convicted felon.
	That's your star witness.
	And this is all going after Trump.
	This is old.
	The feds never prosecuted this.
	They said, there's not nothing here.
	If there's nothing here.
	So I think it's all political.
	I think there are some on the right that want to see this indictment come down.
	I am pleasantly surprised by what Kevin McCarthy has done in the last couple of months.
	But it's just motivated me even more in the mega movement.
	And it was demonstrated in Waco the other night with his large rally.
	We've only got 30 seconds left.
	Quick question about the new speaker.
	I am pleasantly surprised by what Kevin McCarthy has done in the last couple of months.
	How about you, Congressman?
	I am, too.
	I think he's done a great job.
	I think he's been pretty vocal.
	He's working with the Freedom Caucus.
	We've got to make sure that we don't turn $31 trillion into $41 trillion, so I've got to let it fade to confidence in that.
	And I think he realizes also that Donald Trump is the leader of our party.
	Donald Trump is the leader of our party.
	He's going to be the nominee, and he's the 47th president.
	I have the crystal ball.
	Maybe Kevin does as well, because we know Donald Trump does, because everything he predicts In the future, happen.
	It becomes true.
	It's amazing.
	It always comes true.
	Thank you, Sheriff.
	Thank you, Congressman.
	Follow him, RepTroyNelsNels.House.Gov.
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	Mic's up.
	Israel 30.
	Yes.
	Alright.
	I never got to those cuts.
	I'll use them if we have an issue with freedom and I'll take calls here.
	Okay.
	C-segment.
	- Title for Troy.
	What should we say?
	What should we call it, Eric?
	Something about the DeSantis thing.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	DeSantis had to make it about himself.
	Yes!
	Nice!
	Good, good, good, good, good, good.
	All righty.
	The Scott Walker comparison is so accurate in all seriousness.
	I remember when he was a big deal, and then he wasn't.
	All right, what do we got?
	We got Jack and Annabelle.
	Preferences, Jeff?
	Wherever you want to go.
	The first two are about Nashville, if you want to stay on that.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Get your old 30.
	Okay.
	Oh, play cut three for me again and four.
	Three?
	Yeah, three or four.
	It's the same language of incitement that we've heard time and again from the former president.
	We know that late last week the House Democratic leader, Hakeem Jeffries, was talking about how he was worried that somebody could get killed with all of this rhetoric flying around.
	Are you worried about that too?
	Well, I think it's a concern.
	The rhetoric that he's using today is not dissimilar to the type of rhetoric he used prior to January 6th.
	In fact, in some ways it's more overt and blatant than the events leading up to January 6th.
	I don't think an indictment can actually come forward now after the comments made by Costello.
	He has proved that the main witness is gonna be a perjuring liar on the witness stand.
	And that puts the district attorney in a terrible position.
	If he uses Cohen as a witness, he could actually lose his bar license.
	It's unethical to put a witness on the stand who you know is lying, and he has to know that Cohen will be lying.
	Or he tries the case without Cohen, which is very difficult.
	Um, Friedman confirmed, so can you call him, um, as soon as, um, the break starts?
	Yes.
	Okay, great.
	Oh, and we need the image of his book, Eric.
	I'm trying to remember the title.
	Sledgehammer.
	That's right, I knew it was something to do with a hammer.
	Alright.
	That's right.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	No hate speech.
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	All right, we have an absolutely full call board.
	Let's go to Jacqueline in Brooklyn, line one. - Good afternoon, Dr. Gorka. - Good afternoon. - I liked your theory about whether or not, how do we even know this is a woman?
	That thought had not even crossed my mind.
	Well, in today's world, I mean, this is the insanity.
	This is the question we have to ask, Jacqueline.
	Yes, absolutely.
	And I was taking it a step further.
	I wouldn't be a bit surprised if we'll find out that this individual is lashing out against Christianity from the Biden administration's propaganda against Christianity.
	and telling people to go and attack, you know, pro-life support clinics.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Who in the Biden administration is telling people to attack pro-life clinics?
	Well, they constantly talk.
	What I should say is they do not bring charges down.
	They do not investigate any of these pro-life centers.
	You mean the 300 that have been attacked and the 300 churches that have been attacked in just the last year and a half?
	Yes, sir.
	That's exactly what I'm referring to.
	As we all well know, those of us that are smart, know that this is a double standard.
	And I wouldn't be a bit surprised if we'll find out that this individual ...was retaliating because their right to an abortion was taken away from them to control their own body.
	It's always the same story.
	That's their narrative.
	That's their narrative.
	But we shall see.
	We shall see.
	All we know right now, it is a 28-year-old female, according to authorities, who one report says is a former student of this private Christian school in Nashville.
	Thank you so much, Jacqueline.
	Let's go to Annabelle Line 2, somewhere in California.
	Hi, Dr. Gorka.
	Before I make my comment, Dr. Gorka, I want to say, and this is from the deepest recesses of my heart, you are in all regards a class act.
	So I really appreciate you.
	All right.
	Can you tell that to my wife?
	Can I record that and send that link?
	I have a feeling she knows, but I'll tell her anyway.
	Thank you.
	What brings you to our shores today?
	I just want to revisit.
	This is not the reason I called.
	I want to respond to the man hour next time I call, but I want to revisit my little t-shirt just so I can vent.
	So can I give you an idea for a t-shirt?
	Yeah, go ahead.
	All right.
	Forget little people in the thing.
	I just want each letter to be red, white, and blue.
	Each individual letter.
	And it's very simple.
	And I'm pretty angry, as you can see.
	So it's just, harden our schools, streets, places of worship, families, biology, military bases, elections, the Constitution, and above all, our resolve to save America.
	Right.
	That's a lot for one t-shirt, but thank you, Annabelle.
	Let's go to Jackson, Minnesota, line three.
	Hey, Seb, how you doing today?
	Good.
	Hey, this whole two-tier level of justice is really getting to me.
	What they're trying to do to President Trump is absurd.
	I mean, I presume you agree with that.
	I presume you listen to this show, don't you, Jackson?
	I'm just making sure.
	But I want to share a story that happened to a friend of mine that I really think shows this two-tier level.
	So my friend Dusty, he put up a tweet.
	He wore like a ski mask and he was holding up a flamethrower.
	All right.
	All right, Jackson.
	Goodbye.
	Thank you very much.
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	Talking of the Holy Land, we have breaking news.
	Yesterday, the Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu fired his Defense Minister, Yoav Gilland.
	What is going on?
	What is the connection to the proposed judicial reform in that country?
	One of our closest allies in the world.
	Let's talk to the man who represented our President in Jerusalem.
	Ambassador David Friedman, welcome back to America First.
	Thanks, Seb.
	Good to be with you.
	All right, so let's start with the genesis of all of this.
	What is the prime minister, the newly installed prime minister, suggesting should happen to the judiciary?
	What is the substance of this judicial reform and is it called for?
	Well, look, I think judicial reforms are called for.
	It's nothing like we have in America.
	The judges are generally appointed by a committee.
	There's no constitution, so there's nothing really to kind of tether them to limited engagement.
	They have broad powers.
	They can overrule acts of the Knesset because they're unreasonable.
	So it's a very, very strong and liberal judiciary, and it's a center-right country.
	So this was about to happen one of these days when, as the country grew more to the right and the Supreme Court grew more powerful but more liberal, they were going to clash.
	And there's been a clash, and I was biting my nails the last couple of days because it was really heading to a very dark point where I would say roughly half the people in Israel are dead set against the reforms and a lot of the things that go with it.
	And the other side of the government was pushing for it.
	And today, fortunately, I think he's still kind of stepped back from the brink.
	Netanyahu gave, I think, a historic speech just about an hour ago, where he said, I will not lead this country into a civil war.
	You know, I agree with the judicial reforms, but obviously we haven't explained it well enough.
	We haven't socialized it enough with the people.
	It's generated a huge amount of hostility.
	I mean, there was a general strike today.
	Everything went on strike today.
	The airports, the hospitals, the schools, everything.
	And I'm sorry.
	No, but having a member of the cabinet apparently give an unauthorized speech talking against his own boss's reforms, so you're saying that's something the new administration can weather?
	Yeah, look, you know, the defense minister is a right-wing, beloved member of Israeli lore.
	I mean, he's a One of the greatest war heroes in Israel, that's still alive, Yoav Galant, he was the defense minister, he was acting out of conscience, you know, his job was to defend the country, and he felt that the Israeli capacity to defend itself was being impaired because there were so many people in the military, rightly or wrongly, I'm not saying that military people should engage in political views, but he was a realist, he said, look, there's too many people here,
	Whose morale is being affected by this?
	We have to slow it down.
	And look, you know, firing him was, I think, you know, highly controversial.
	We'll see whether it plays out the right way or not.
	I think the important thing is this.
	Israel was really on the brink of a real, real disaster.
	A real, you know, I don't want to say civil war in a violent sense, but really a rift that would have made its enemies salivate.
	I mean, Israel is doing to itself what its enemies have never been able to do to Israel.
	And Netanyahu, to his credit, took a step back and said, look, this is too much, too soon, too fast.
	I'm going to slow it down.
	Let's have some, you know, civilized, respectful discussions and see if we can get to a consensus, a national consensus.
	I think that was the right thing to do.
	Well, as one of our most important presidents once said, a house divided cannot stand.
	We're talking to President Trump's ambassador to Israel.
	Follow him at David M underscore Friedman.
	There he is!
	There's the ambassador and me at the erstwhile Trump Hotel.
	He is the author, most recently, of the book Sledgehammer.
	I recommend it to all of you.
	How breaking with the past, Brought peace to the Middle East.
	Ambassador Friedman, you talked about Israel's enemies, who happen to be our enemies as well.
	Can you give us an update of how emboldened enemies like Iran feel, for example, their heightened involvement in other conflicts, such as in Ukraine, and expectations that the current administration may help out the mullahs in Tehran, just like Obama did?
	How serious is the situation in the neighborhood of Israel?
	Well, it's incredibly serious, and you know, we're spending most of our oxygen talking about China and Russia, maybe as we should, but Iran is probably a major threat to the world.
	They're the greatest state sponsor of terrorism.
	The United States has a failed policy right now on Iran.
	They've eased up on sanctions.
	Now they're saying maybe the sanctions aren't working.
	Yeah, they're not working because they're not as robust as they used to be.
	We're all but begging Iran to go back into a deal.
	Meanwhile, Iran is arming the Russians.
	The Russians are helping Iran with nuclear technology.
	Iran is now normalizing with Saudi Arabia with the help of China.
	I mean, this couldn't be worse.
	This couldn't have gone in a worse direction over the last two years than it's gone.
	How in danger are the Abraham Accords that you and the President and Jared put together?
	Well, I think they're still holding.
	They're still holding.
	I wouldn't say that they're in danger as much as we've squandered massive amounts of opportunities to scale them and to make them better and stronger.
	You know, I think if President Trump were still in office, I have no doubt that the Saudis would have normalized and the Saudis would have not made a deal with Iran and the Saudis wouldn't be in the arms of China.
	I mean, we took a very important diplomatic opportunity and completely squandered it.
	And likewise, Ukraine would not have been invaded if our boss were still in the White House.
	We need you back in Israel or maybe another position in a future Trump administration.
	In the meantime, follow this man on Twitter at David M underscore Friedman and get his book right now, Sledgehammer, the true story of how breaking with the past brought peace to the Middle East.
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	patriotmobile.com slash G-O-R-K-A Nice job with the photograph.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	No, thank you!
	Alright, and uh... I saw that woman in that Hill Seating video, remember, that you sent?
	What, what, what?
	The Hill Seating video.
	Hill Seating shirt.
	Yeah.
	The school board woman.
	Yeah, what about her?
	I have the video, as I'm saying.
	Playback one.
	Oh, play it.
	I do believe that there are a lot of things that should be left to parents, but allowing parents to teach race, sexuality, that assumes that all parents are free from bias and are not themselves also abusing their children.
	Can we talk about God and morality?
	That was one of the reasons I left the Catholic Church, was because there was a widespread amount of child abuse going on.
	So when you talk about God, God, God, and church, church, church, it happens there too.
	So everybody needs to be aware of it.
	And hail Satan!
	Where was that?
	Florida, right?
	Somewhere in Florida.
	Let me look.
	That is one of their go-to arguments I see a lot on Twitter, is they just say, oh, what about the Catholic Church and the abusive kids?
	Like, they just deflect.
	They don't even acknowledge what they're doing.
	I need to know whether that was a school board or a council meeting, what that was.
	I'm bringing it up, hang on.
	Never minding that that whole scandal of the church ended years ago.
	30 seconds.
	It was a Florida school board meeting.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	America First.
	Mega-nificent.
	We're gonna go to our very patient caller in a moment, David, but first I have a question I have to ask of Mr. G. I know he has a longer commute than I do, far longer, but how many hours of radio would you like to do?
	Because three just isn't enough, is it, Mr. G?
	We can do more.
	We can do more?
	How many hours do you think would do justice to the news?
	It depends.
	It's certain days.
	There's certain days you can do an hour more, some you can do two more.
	All right.
	We always run out of time.
	Always.
	And we don't get to play some of the cuts that I want to get to.
	This is just... Well, let's just play.
	This is a Florida school board meeting with a woman who has a t-shirt on that says Hail Satan and underneath established 666.
	You won't believe it until you hear it and you see it.
	Play it.
	I do believe that there are a lot of things that should be left to parents, but allowing parents to teach race, sexuality, that assumes that all parents are free from bias and are not themselves also abusing their children.
	Can we talk about God and morality?
	That was one of the reasons I left the Catholic Church, was because there was a widespread amount of child abuse going on.
	So when you talk about God, God, God, and church, church, church, it happens there too.
	So everybody needs to be aware of it.
	And hail Satan!
	Yeah, she cares about the children, right?
	Right?
	That's why she says, hail Satan!
	in America.
	All right, I'm going to post that because people need to see the video.
	Let's go to David, line four from California.
	Thanks for taking my call, Sebastian.
	Now, there's more saber rattling from Putin on the battlefield with nukes.
	And once again, once again, Kirby is saying nothing to see here.
	I saw him.
	I can't believe it.
	And, you know, they took, oh, you know this.
	They took down the drone.
	Nothing to see here.
	At what point do we as a people say – Hey, you gotta go home, Kirby.
	You can't even work for the fire department.
	You can't ring the bell.
	Well, he's not gonna be fired by Biden, the man who surrendered in Afghanistan.
	We have to win elections, David.
	Yeah, I know.
	Good, thank you.
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	All right, guys.
	Let's talk about a video clip.
	From Fox News that, if proven to be true, Could be the death knell for any putative presidential campaign from the current incumbent of the gubernatorial mansion in Florida.
	Mr. G, the person that, who is it, Larry Kudlow's talking to is somebody called Mark Simone, whose face I kind of recognize, but I had no idea who he is.
	You are Mr. Radio here on America First.
	Who is Mark Simone?
	He's a longtime radio host at WOR in New York.
	He also filled in for Sean Hannity a ton on his radio show.
	Okay, so I guess he's a conservative.
	Yes.
	Probably has maybe some connections to political circles on the right?
	Yes, I would think so.
	I know when he filled in for Hannity it was like 2004 to like 2012, all the way back then, a long time.
	Wow.
	So he's been around a while.
	All right, so Cudlow asks a question from Mr. Simone about Ron DeSantis, and wow, wow, wow.
	Cut one!
	Listen, he's the greatest governor in America.
	He's not great as far as campaign skills.
	He may get there, but he doesn't have them yet.
	Who's running his campaign?
	The Bushes are all tangled up with him.
	Bush that can raise him a billion dollars, give him all kinds of money.
	Jeb Bush.
	Jeb Bush.
	George Bush.
	Yeah, they're great.
	Karl Rove involved?
	Karl Rove is involved.
	I assume he'll be the coach on the field.
	I think he is.
	But do you know that he's been advising DeSantis?
	He's been advising him.
	That's why DeSantis is getting a little better and better every week.
	But... Carl's a pretty smart fellow.
	They're all very smart.
	You saw what they did for Jeb Bush.
	It works in normal times.
	I don't think they're ready for Donald Trump.
	Wow.
	The Bushes are all in.
	Raising money and the coach on the field is Karl Rove because he did such a good job for Jeb Bush.
	Mr. G, what do you think of that clip?
	You've got the best political Spidey senses.
	What do you think of that clip?
	Is he talking out of his backside or does Simone know something?
	I think he might know something.
	I mean, listen, Jeb Bush has loved him.
	He's talked about it.
	Karl Rove loves him.
	And we played that clip a couple weeks ago where Karl Rove got very detailed and Ron DeSantis had two of the largest fundraisers ever for Republican counties in Texas.
	How would he know that much information?
	Hang on, hang on.
	I thought, but didn't DeSantis say on Friday he doesn't do fundraisers?
	No, he doesn't do the cocktail parties.
	He's not that.
	The donors don't like him.
	Because of its blue-collar roots in Western Pennsylvania.
	And this idea that, you know, successful campaigns... How much did Jeb Bush win by?
	I think he got crushed.
	Yeah.
	Help me out, Eric.
	You've got a pretty good political sense as well.
	Why does Karl Rove not disappear?
	Why does he have any involvement?
	He was a deputy chief of staff in the Bush White House.
	Why is he even saying or involved in politics at all?
	Off the top of my head, I think it just comes down to a gimmick.
	He created a very unique gimmick for himself.
	He pulls up that stupid whiteboard.
	Oh, come on.
	Are you telling me the whiteboard is why he's invited?
	I don't know.
	I mean, because that's the only thing I can think of is memorability.
	Oh, the whiteboard thing.
	Nobody else does that.
	Like, that's the only thing I can think of.
	Because, yeah, as a strategist, he's terrible.
	He's not intelligent in the slightest.
	Geoff, how is Karl Rove still even allowed to say things on camera?
	Because he's the architect, supposedly.
	And what was DeSantis' book?
	The Blueprint, I think?
	That's another similarity.
	Just one quick point.
	Yes, please.
	Think if you're Karl Rove and you're the establishment and this stuff.
	For a couple years, you knew the only way you're going to beat Trump was you had to create someone that everybody thought was Trump.
	Think about that for the last couple years.
	So you need a Trump who's not a Trump?
	You need one of yours to pretend that they're Trump and have everybody think he's Trump.
	That's the only way you have somewhat of a chance of beating Trump in the primary.
	You need a Trojan horse.
	Exactly.
	It's got to be somebody they think is Trump.
	You can't run against them because everybody likes his policies.
	You can't have an establishment candidate because everybody hates the establishment.
	So you've got to have somebody who's a fake Trump-like candidate but who's working for the establishment.
	And DeSantis pretty much became Trump in January of 21.
	That's when he started really acting like Trump.
	So you think this has been engineered from the get-go?
	I know that I've called it the DeSantis Show for about two years now.
	I thought a lot of what he's doing is a show.
	The DeSantis Show.
	Alright, well look, here's a piece of evidence.
	Here we have Karl Rove.
	Well, I guess this is the Trojan Horse kind of mantra.
	Cut ten.
	He said, I'm a no-drama kind of guy.
	And what he's setting up is a contrast between himself and the former president.
	Because there are a lot of people who say, you know what, I like what Donald Trump did, but I don't like what we had to put up with.
	And, you know, the idea, for example, in this current case, that he paid $130,000 in hush money to a porn star, a stripper, in order to hide an alleged affair with her.
	That doesn't help you in a general election when you're trying to get swing voters.
	And so what he's trying to say is, is look at me, I'm the governor of Florida who just got re-elected by 20 points in what traditionally has been a battleground state and I did it because I focus on the business, I'm the no-drama governor.
	And I think it's a good thing.
	The no-drama governor.
	Have we heard that phrase before, Mr. G?
	Yeah, every single dissent is supported.
	The No Drama Governor.
	Okay, I don't have authority to release the identity of the person who came to my house for dinner and cigars last night.
	Although he does work for the Daily Wire, maybe you can guess.
	And he kind of said the same thing.
	And we need, maybe Jeff, you, me, Eric, the team, we need to sit down, we need to work out How to deal with this, because this is the talking point of the DeSantis team or the rhinos who are pretending to support a Trump-like candidate.
	And it's the... I can't believe I'm going to say this.
	He said, my friend said that Trump's policies were great.
	Until the last two months of the administration.
	But the real problem are his tweets.
	This person actually said, it's the tweets, it's the nasty, you know, vituperative, snarky tweets.
	And I just stopped for a moment and I said to him, over the, you know, the dining room table as we were finishing the Hungarian goulash that I cooked.
	I was cooking for four hours yesterday.
	It was mighty fine good stuff.
	And I said, seriously?
	You're telling me you agree with all the policies, and the policies were great, from economy, to the border, to national security, to crushing ISIS, and so forth, but your issue is with his tweets?
	And he said, yes, because if you can't control those, especially the recent mean truth social postings, you won't win elections.
	And my response was, But that's how we won in 2015.
	In 2016, that's how we won.
	Because we had a person who was clearly not a politician.
	Not a strategic communications campaign that's been polished by the beltway bandits and the strategists and all the people who grift.
	But then my friend said, but things have changed.
	Have they really?
	After four years of Biden, will people still be saying that, oh, we need somebody who's slick, who's a politician, who doesn't say mean things on social media?
	Jeff, do you think things have changed so much in the last couple of years that now people don't want an outsider?
	I just need a sanity check.
	That's what I don't understand.
	And the thing is, I bring it back to Brexit.
	Once people get done with the establishment, they're done, they never come back.
	The second Brexit vote was even more than the first one.
	And you can bring up Trump loss, but he still had, what was it, 11 or 12 million more votes than last time.
	You never go back and you always gain more people.
	Right, right.
	Who was it who said that?
	It was one of our guests on this show, Geoff, wasn't it, who said, once you have, you know, the working class, the dyed-in-the-wool Labour voters, the left-winger voters, vote against the establishment, vote against their own party, you never go back to that party.
	Do you remember who that was?
	I'm drawing a blank, but I do remember it.
	Does Eric remember?
	Was it maybe Mike Graham in reference to Brexit?
	Could have been, could have been.
	Whoever it was, It's a very, very important, it's a crucial point.
	If you have a massive demographic, and remember it was 64 million people, a large chunk of whom were working class, were former Democrats.
	I saw them at the rallies in Youngstown, Ohio when we flew there on Air Force One with the President, with Melania.
	These were hard-core former Democrats.
	When you ditch your former tribe, you're not going to crawl your way back in and say, please, can I be part of the establishment again?
	I think these people need to wake up.
	Politics changed irrevocably.
	in 16.
	Come on guys and let's steer clear of the Jeb Bushes and the Rhinos like Karl Rove.
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	Yeah, I'm looking at it now.
	Like, again, literally every Republican in Florida got reelected by landslides in 2022.
	And actually, Ashley Moody, the incumbent Attorney General, She won by a bigger margin than DeSantis did.
	Wow.
	He won by 19 points, she won by 21 points.
	And it's not, Jeff, it's not just percentage either.
	She got more votes overall than he did.
	He got 4,614,000, she got 4,651,000.
	Wow.
	So is she the future of the party?
	He also ran against a guy that used to be a Republican.
	Charlie Crist, yeah.
	Not that long ago.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It would be like McAuliffe running as the Republican right now.
	Like, do you think that we would vote for him or just sit that one out?
	Exactly.
	So what does Markowitz Opine on, because I see she goes on Fox.
	Again, I only know of her through the book she wrote with Bethany Mandel.
	I'd never heard her name before that.
	Audrey Hale.
	Oh, we've got the... What clip did you add?
	We did the crazy lunatic, right?
	The Satan.
	Yeah, you wanted us to also add the Biden nominee who didn't understand the Brady motion.
	Yes!
	Because you want to talk about that.
	Can you give me the name?
	Yeah, it was something weird.
	Yeah, hang on.
	What cut is that?
	Is that 11 or 12?
	I have to just add it as a new cut.
	Or, hang on.
	Let's call it cut 13.
	Okay.
	PhD.
	Thank you!
	Judge Kato Cruz.
	That's it.
	Kato!
	K-A-T-O.
	And then Cruz, like, the actual word.
	C-R-E-W-S.
	Kato.
	Not like the Kato Institute.
	Are we calling Rich?
	Yeah, it's dialing now.
	Want the mics on for him or off?
	Uh, off.
	off all right.
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	All right, the calls are coming in thick and fast.
	George, Frank, Charlotte, don't go anywhere.
	Mr. G, what happened to that DeSantis caller?
	What did he last, like 30 seconds?
	I mean, it's pathetic.
	Really, good callback, guys.
	Last week I played you a superb cut of my buddy Charlie Kirk with a poster on his show, and we have an abbreviated version of it.
	It's really rather good.
	Play cut.
	The same group of people, the Paul Ryan consultant class that announced around Ron DeSantis.
	So it shouldn't surprise anybody that the kind of content you're getting out of Ron DeSantis is what we saw from Scott Walker.
	Republican voters recoiled from that.
	Even though at that time they weren't sure yet, and definitely not all of them, were not sure yet what to make of Donald Trump.
	But what they saw with Scott Walker was that he was trying to be somebody he wasn't because he was listening to consultants and Donald Trump was being authentic, being who he was.
	And what Ron DeSantis did yesterday was come out and be somebody that the voters did not think Ron DeSantis was.
	That was, of course, with reference to the Monday last week press conference.
	The Floridian governor didn't want to talk about the potential arrest of the 45th president, despite him being a resident of the state that he is governor of.
	He made jokes about hush money for porn stars and then said, as a former jag, a former jag, not interested, going to focus on Florida.
	That was Rich Barris of Big Data Poll.
	And guess what?
	He's here right now, live.
	Rich, welcome back to America First.
	Thanks for having me back, Dr. Gorka.
	It's good to be here.
	All right, follow him right now at peoples underscore pundit.
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	We'll talk about the political ramifications of the last 10 days in the US.
	But first, this is supposed to be the man who can take the mantle of Trumpism, who can be the The new, what is it, what is it, the, uh, what is the roves of the world say, the no drama version of President Trump.
	But he doesn't seem to be doing so well, and I don't mean just at, you know, small straw polls like CPAC.
	If this is the man who's the putative replacement for the 45th president, shouldn't he be doing better, Rich?
	Yeah, and we just got done doing a national poll.
	It's brand new.
	We just put it out on social media.
	And I got to tell you, we've had the former president lower in some of our nomination polls than other pollsters have had.
	But this time, I think what happened last week was There are moments where you may confirm voters' suspicions of you.
	There may be, you know, they're on the fence.
	Maybe I like this guy, but I don't know.
	We'll wait to see.
	I have questions about him.
	And then they have these moments where they confirm the worst of what voters may think.
	And I really do think this was that moment for Ron DeSantis.
	It was canned.
	It wasn't what they have seen of him in the past.
	And as a result, the president ticked up about seven points in support.
	Ron DeSantis fell about 10 points in support.
	So, you know, it's almost just about a 30-point lead for the president nationally now, 50-20, which is a disaster for Ron DeSantis.
	And it's something that was building over weeks.
	I don't think this happened overnight.
	I just think that he really, he put his foot in his mouth this time.
	Do you give any credence?
	We played this Fox clip from Mark Simone, who said that the Bushes are fundraising.
	We know Ken Griffin, the biggest Obama bundler, Obama bundler, is funding DeSantis.
	And he said that Karl Rove is going to be the coach on the field who's going to be shepherding the DeSantis campaign.
	What do you make of these reports, Rich?
	You know, we've heard much of the same thing that Karl Rove has been advising Governor DeSantis.
	There have been these... I mean, Jeb Bush endorsed him and... Until he didn't.
	Until 24 hours later, he had to say to Politico, oh, oh, that wasn't an endorsement.
	I was just praising him.
	That was so weird, Rich.
	That's a reverse of what Mike Pence did for Ted Cruz in 2015, where he endorsed him, but it was really tepid and said, I'd like other people in the field.
	This was a reverse of that.
	This is very clearly Ron DeSantis is the guy for me moving forward, but he knows it hurts politically.
	So he's going to try to walk that tightrope, or he's going to support him, but he doesn't want Republican voters to outwardly know because he knows he's toxic.
	The name is toxic.
	But I really think that they don't understand, the consultant class doesn't understand.
	Republican voters can see it.
	2015 changed everything for them.
	2016 changed everything.
	They know it when they see it, and they're not going to be fooled like this.
	It's bad advice.
	The governor's young.
	He could have a long future, but I think he's just surrounded by people who don't have the best interest of that future in mind.
	He is the director of Big Data Poll.
	Rich Barris.
	Follow him at peoples underscore pundit.
	And what about, I mean, you are one of the most reliable guys out there.
	You follow this stuff, you know, day in day out.
	Is it so weird to be in this kind of like...
	half-pregnant situation where he's winking and joking with the you know the journalists or asking him whether he's running for the president ha ha ha ha ha I mean why doesn't he just declare rich I mean doesn't doesn't that turn off average voters if you're not being honest about your intentions anyway?
	Yeah, that was very clearly canned.
	I wouldn't even be surprised if they said to that reporter, we're coming to you first with that question.
	I mean, that was a very produced moment.
	There's a reason.
	Florida does have restrictions for this.
	You have to declare, otherwise you can't do both.
	You can't have a cake and eat it too in Florida.
	So he's doing his best to pretty much run this behind-the-scenes campaign, but he got some bad news last week.
	Everybody knows this is him running a campaign.
	He got bad news, the donors didn't like what they were seeing with the polls, and a lot of them apparently have turned off the spigot, at least for now.
	So I think that they're probably devising a strategy of where they're going to go from here.
	But again, sometimes there are these moments where you just give voters what they were looking for, or worse, what they weren't looking for, and it's hard to come back from that.
	It really is.
	Your expectation, is ego going to dominate over reality?
	Are they going to declare or is he going to say, hey, I'm a young guy, I can wait.
	What do you think right now, Rich?
	You know, if you're thinking about this for the influence the people that are around him have, Dr. Gorka, they have no other choice.
	They don't care what happens to him.
	They only think if we don't run anybody, then Trump is definitely going to win.
	So we have nothing to lose.
	We saw this with Ted Cruz.
	He clearly reached too far in 2015 and he destroyed all future ambitions for the presidency that he may have had.
	Uh, with, when it comes to the governor, we'll just have to see.
	I honestly don't, you know, I don't know.
	I think that at this point is probably his foot is on the gas.
	The only ones who could stop it are those donors, which is, I think by the way, and I got to say this, why you see the report Naxios that you see today.
	That's a very known Republican establishment pollster.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on.
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	So what was in Axios?
	So, you know, we know that they had this 17-19 donor powwow, and they basically said, look, we're turning off the spigots because you're tanking in the polls.
	Maybe you should rethink not running exactly what you just said.
	Now, it's public opinion strategy, same firm that pulled for Mitt Romney in 2012.
	Miraculously, they're showing DeSantis either beating or running very close to Trump in Iowa and New Hampshire.
	This comes on the heels.
	Of a Trump plus 41 in New Hampshire from Emerson polling.
	They're just making this crap up, Rich, right?
	Making it up, Dr. Gorka.
	They're making it up.
	Spencer Kimball, who I know at Emerson, he's not as left-wing as some of these other media pollsters and university pollsters, but he's not throwing a poll for Donald Trump.
	So the difference is that's publicly funded.
	He gets a grant through the university.
	This is funded in Axios.
	They really do a word salad.
	It's a group that backs DeSantis but isn't affiliated with DeSantis.
	That's who funded it.
	It's so ridiculous.
	They're just fabricating it out of whole cloth because the donors need to see it.
	And specifically Richard and Elizabeth Ulan are the ones who said, this is bad, Ron.
	You know, we gave you a half a million dollars, and you're gonna get killed.
	You know, we like you.
	We don't want you to destroy yourself forever.
	So you need to either show us something good, or you need to rethink running.
	And everybody left that meeting with their heads down.
	It was a luncheon, actually.
	Everybody left it with their heads down, feeling defeated.
	But I'm not at all surprised.
	It's Jeff Rowe.
	It's the crew's crew.
	Oh, Jeff Rowe!
	Glenn Youngkin's guy!
	It's them.
	It's them.
	Absolutely.
	So they're invested.
	Which Glenn Youngkin apparently is like, look, I told you he wasn't ready for prime time.
	You should take a second look at me.
	These people are unbelievable.
	Unbelievable.
	It's so funny.
	Eric, are we recording in the breaks?
	We are recording on the backup device.
	Yeah.
	OK, good.
	Let's make this into one big thing.
	Alrighty.
	That's the guy.
	That rogue guy is the guy that Prevented Junkin coming on my show until the week before the election.
	That's how MAGA that guy is.
	That's not surprising at all.
	You know, again, he was on the other side in Ohio, did everything possible to get Mandel the nomination.
	Of course, those polls were out publicly too.
	Bill Kristol was pushing them.
	Our pollster shows, you know, I mean, and what happened?
	He got crushed, right?
	So there's a lot of, this is a big problem.
	That side of the consultant class, big problem.
	And they run a lot of campaigns, Dr. Walker.
	They do.
	Yeah, they do.
	I know.
	It's crazy.
	No wonder why we lose so much.
	Alright, let's talk about... Because I actually said it today in the first hour.
	I said everything changed in 2016.
	You just said it as well.
	So let's unpack what that actually means.
	And you mean hold that, you mean wait for the segment, right?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, wait for the segment.
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	Durham bombshell.
	Prosecutor unveils smoking gun FBI text message, quote, joint venture to smear Trump.
	Wow.
	In a bombshell court fighting late Monday night, Durham for the first time suggested Hillary Clinton's campaign, her researchers and others, quote, formed a joint venture or conspiracy for the purpose of weaving the Russian collusion story to harm Trump's election charges, chances and then the start of his presidency.
	He wrote, quote, these parties, this is in the filing from Special Prosecutor John Durham, these parties acted as joint ventures and therefore could be considered as co-conspirators.
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	He is the man behind Big Data Poll.
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	Rich, it's kind of freaky.
	I don't know if you're a, you know, we had a Vulcan mind meld.
	About an hour ago I talked about how Everything changed in politics in 15 and 16, utterly.
	The political landscape, you know, tectonic plate shifts, and you can't deny that.
	Wherever you stand politically, you can't deny that.
	You just said the same thing, but it seems as if the Republican establishment just, you know, wants to whistle past the graveyard, cover its eyes and ears, go la la la la la, and think that the old schlep You know, the Karl Rove, the Jeb Bushes can just come in with their favorite cardboard cutout candidate, get some money from Ken Griffin.
	Explain why everything changed seven years ago.
	You know, Fox News will never pick another Republican nominee.
	You know, that's how it was before this.
	The establishment had their pick.
	They had their contacts in media.
	They drove that message.
	Usually, it surrounded something like, this is the only person who can be ex-candidate in the Democratic Party.
	Voters rejected that in 2016 because they decided that the issues, their grievances, were just not being addressed.
	So, it didn't matter if they went with whomever the media was saying was unelectable.
	They wanted to go with the guy, or girl if it was one, but they wanted to go with the guy at that time, Donald Trump, who they believed really would look out for them, was really fighting for those issues that they cared about.
	They got him, much to the dismay of all the pundits in the media.
	So, they're just never going to buy that again.
	And once you have the real thing, It's very difficult to convince voters to go back to the charade that we used to have.
	And it was a charade.
	You know, Mitt Romney, Mr. I'm severely conservative.
	Don't worry about me.
	I'm not just conservative.
	I'm severely conservative.
	As if any conservative activist has ever used that term in their life.
	They've never heard it.
	The first time ever came out of Mitt Romney at CPAC.
	I'm really American.
	No, no, no.
	I'm really, really, really American.
	Okay, this is the bottom line, so let's just dig a little bit deeper.
	My theory is, and tell me if I'm crazy, because of what happened in 2015, because of what happened with Brexit, for example, because this is a global phenomenon, people are just fed up with politicians.
	So if you're a politician, like the governor of Florida, with a, you know, communications team, people just say, You're a phony.
	I'm not interested.
	Is that, am I oversimplifying it?
	No, no, I really don't think so.
	Like I was saying, those moments where they affirm that somebody is what they may have suspected them to be, you know, the revelations about Hillary Clinton and pay for play, they suspected that about Hillary Clinton.
	When it comes to anyone who's going to go up against Donald Trump, you better come across as authentic.
	And for a while there, I think there were some voters who were thinking that Ron DeSantis Maybe an authentic, you know, younger MAGA governor, but he made this mistake of being handled.
	And I used in that clip with Charlie, I used Scott Walker as an example because that was it.
	Nobody more so than Scott Walker was viewed as authentic before Trump came on the scene in 2015.
	But unfortunately, he got surrounded by the consultant class, George Will's wife.
	They destroyed him.
	They made him into a cookie cutter candidate.
	And Ron DeSantis has let this happen to him.
	People are busy, but they're not stupid.
	Right.
	I like that.
	People are busy, but they're not stupid.
	I like that.
	Busy.
	You know, my warning to him, and I mentioned it here on the show a long time ago, I said to Ron, Ron, don't get used by the establishment.
	Sadly, I think he's made the wrong decision.
	He's Rich Barris, director of Big Data Poll.
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	DeSantis is being handled or Fox will never pick another president.
	I like the Fox one.
	Yes, so do I. Fox News will never pick another president.
	Alright.
	What's... I guess...
	Yes!
	No.
	I just think the image is crappy.
	Yeah, no, Jeff's definitely right to be careful with reports like that.
	Because remember when people were saying the Uvalde shooter was a trainee?
	No.
	They were sharing these photos of this dude wearing a skirt who did look like the Uvalde shooter.
	I just think the image is crappy.
	I think it's just a dodgy image.
	In Uvalde?
	No, Alex, it was not.
	It was just some kid.
	He was...
	Although a caller called in about, there's a 2018 shooting in Maryland.
	Uh-huh.
	A Rite-Aid.
	And then it ended up being a transgender.
	And the media completely dropped it.
	Really?
	Yeah, it was at a Rite-Aid.
	I'll show you.
	Is this one of the callers now?
	No.
	It was a... Oh.
	Yeah, please.
	It was a caller that was a cop that responded to it.
	Unnormal.
	And then Daily Mail was the only one that had it back then.
	Daily Mail.
	We'll know if they go back to Toronto coverage.
	What?
	We'll know if they go right back to tornado coverage.
	Yeah, right.
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	Just the fifth in history, the fifth female school shooter in history.
	Incredibly rare attack if it is a female.
	Some reports unconfirmed of it being a trans individual.
	I'm a little bit leery of these reports.
	I want to see confirmation.
	All we know right now is a 28-year-old quote-unquote female.
	What happened?
	Again?
	Again, the Protosantis caller dropped off.
	What is it with these people?
	They need to take some zinc or some vitamins or something.
	It's truly pathetic.
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	I guess the DeSantis, pro-DeSantis callers couldn't hack it, couldn't last for more than two minutes.
	That's really pathetic.
	Let's go to George Los Angeles on line two.
	Yes.
	Hello, Dr. G. Hey.
	Thanks for having me.
	I've been a Trump supporter from the very beginning, but I am concerned about his ability to gather independent voters.
	And that has me worried, because I know he's got the base, and the Dems will have the base, and it's going to get decided in the middle.
	That's my concern.
	Alright, so how many votes did he get in the last election?
	Oh yeah, 74 million.
	How many did he get in the election before that?
	I don't know, 10 or 11 million less, I think.
	Correct, right.
	He went from 64 to 73.
	So, why are you worried about an individual who after four years of being called a racist, a misogynist, a white supremacist, a Nazi, why are you worried about a man who got between 10 and 11 million more votes and he got the most votes of any incumbent president?
	Doesn't that math reassure you?
	You know, normally I would say yes to that, but he keeps giving me reasons and I think the country... But are they real reasons?
	If you look at the math, George, doesn't the math speak for itself?
	Targeted relentlessly for four years and he gets more votes than any president in history?
	Yeah, let me ask you this though.
	Why did he have to do the baseball bat and talk about death and destruction?
	Because the Deep State wants to destroy him.
	Don't you believe that?
	I absolutely do, but... So he's not allowed to go on the offensive.
	Only the Deep State can send armed FBI agents to his home.
	He can't post a photograph, George!
	Got it.
	Alright, thank you.
	Frank, New Jersey, line 3.
	Welcome, Frank.
	Hi, Dr. Gorka.
	I absolutely love your show.
	And I love you, and I love Trump.
	I gotta be honest, I hate the idea of this Republican infighting.
	I think it killed us when it came to Pennsylvania, when Sean Hannity got involved.
	It really did split the Republican vote in the general, and it's fine in the primaries.
	But I think that's why we have a vegetable basically as a sitting senator of Pennsylvania.
	He had nothing to do with, had zero to do with Republican infighting.
	Frank, do you know how many people voted in the Pennsylvania election before the first debate between Fetterman and Oz?
	I understand.
	They started like almost a month before.
	Hang on, Frank.
	Hang on, Frank.
	Let's talk.
	I'm doing math today.
	I'm doing empirical facts.
	When more than 50%, more than 50% of the electorate mailed in their votes before they even saw the two candidates debate.
	What has that got to do with Republican infighting?
	It's just the left was more organized, Frank.
	You've got to look at the facts.
	Don't listen to the talking points from the establishment.
	Look at the facts.
	Look at the math, Frank.
	Oh no, and listen, and I really hope you're totally right.
	It's not a question of whether I'm right or not.
	The facts are more than 50% of the electorate in the state voted before they had any information on who to vote for.
	We just sat there, twiddled our thumbs, while the left got organized.
	Just like 2020, Frank.
	It's not my opinion.
	It's math.
	Yeah, you're right.
	But even with that, I think Trump, even without anything, will beat DeSantis in the primary by 30 points.
	I really believe that.
	I don't think that DeSantis has a prayer.
	I just hate to see... Remember when Reagan said, what's his 11th commandment?
	You don't cannibalize people in your own party.
	Well, tell that to the governor of Florida who said he's not interested in his resident, the 45th president, being indicted.
	I think that's pretty scummy as well.
	But I get your point.
	Thank you, Frank.
	Let's go to Charlotte, Pittsburgh, line four.
	Hi, I was calling to say that the drama trauma that people associate to President Trump.
	Oh, I haven't heard that.
	The drama trauma.
	That's a good phrase.
	Sorry.
	Carry on.
	That it comes from the left and the fake news.
	Yes.
	Anything.
	And they're going to they're going to go all crazy over it.
	And then the powers that be, the rhinos and the left, with that Russia, Russia, Russia stuff, people were sick from that happening and being drawn out.
	And unfortunately, people are associating this stuff with President Trump and not from the real perpetrators.
	You absolutely nailed it.
	Stay on the line, Charlotte.
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	All of this, oh, the drama, the drama, the drama, trauma, as Charlotte calls it.
	The mean tweets.
	That's not, we're not complaining.
	Conservatives couldn't care less.
	We'd like to live in a country that's safe, that has a border, that isn't having to contemplate nuclear war.
	We couldn't care less.
	Where's that narrative coming from?
	It's coming from the left.
	It's coming from the rhinos!
	It's coming from those who don't want another non-politician in the White House.
	Genius, genius, genius, Charlotte.
	Stay in the line because, gosh, you're like just a perfect example of why we have the best listeners and best callers.
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	The one that had the baseball bat, that was the picture in the article, but it was a headline said that less than 10% of registered voters elected Alvin Bragg.
	And That's what MSNBC has been saying, because I looked it up before that and I couldn't find it, and I went way down his feed and then I saw what it was.
	Of course.
	I got three images I sent you.
	Alright.
	Oh, I have the Tumblr one already.
	Oh, good.
	Thank you.
	Because you sent it to me earlier.
	Yep.
	Alrighty.
	The only reason that dude is traumatized is because that incident reminded him of what he really is.
	Which dude?
	What?
	Her testicle story.
	The testicle guy.
	That's the only reason he's so upset about it.
	literally the most painful reminder imaginable of your gender.
	And I don't get it.
	If you want to be a woman, or you think you can be a woman, why don't you cut your balls off?
	Why is he bitching and moaning about having his nuts, you know, whacked by a TSA?
	If you're saying you're a woman, why do you have testicles?
	I'm confused.
	Wasn't there like some thing recently, like on TV, where a conservative commentator asked like a tranny?
	Yes!
	No, no, no.
	It was at a government, like a local council meeting.
	Yeah, yeah, and the guy was like so offended, like, you know, how dare you?
	Oh, the whole audience went, oh, how could you ask that question?
	So bad.
	All right.
	All right.
	Here's looking at you, Snowflake.
	America first.
	All right, let's have a bit of levity.
	Big story as I woke up this morning.
	Somebody who has a private Twitter account that you can only join by invitation posted a video about his experience at the airport.
	Let's put the first image up.
	This is from, we're trying to find the video, the TSA agent at JFK punched me in the genitalia, yelled at me for having a penis, and humiliated me in front of everyone after I told her to please stop.
	She followed me into the women's bathroom and began talking to me about a co-worker while I sobbed in a stall.
	Sobbed for an hour accordingly.
	Here's the next post.
	This is from the trans woman called Mara.
	Haven't stopped crying since an hour ago.
	My balls still hurt so bad.
	What is wrong with this picture?
	My balls?
	But you say you're a woman!
	I'm just a little confused here.
	If you're a woman, why do you have testicles?
	I'm confused.
	And then you cry about?
	If you want to be a woman, shouldn't you be removing your testicles?
	This would have been a Monty Python skit 30 years ago.
	Today it's a reality.
	But we will win.
	Also a question.
	Do you remember there's an app called... Is it Tumblr?
	Is it Tumblr, Eric?
	I have it on my phone for some reason.
	It's been sitting there as a kind of legacy app for years.
	I don't have a Tumblr account.
	Never used Tumblr.
	Let's put it up.
	It changed its logo.
	To a kind of caricature of a African American with a big afro and large lips.
	My question is, isn't that racist?
	Isn't that cultural appropriation Tumblr?
	What is the phrase they came up with last week?
	What is the phrase they came up with?
	Digital blackface.
	If you post a meme that shows a black person and you're not black, that's called digital blackface.
	My question is, if you're black and you post a meme of a white person, is that digital whitefaced?
	Tumblr, have you just committed digital blackface by the updated icon of your app?
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	Chris, isn't this the most fun part of the week?
	It really is.
	This is the only part of the week that I genuinely look forward to.
	The rest of it's just reading about Transgender people and, you know, whatever the hell Joe Biden's mumbling that day.
	No, this is, like you, you said this before we started the show today.
	I just love this part of the week.
	I just love the fact that I have to, I have to make time every week to watch a really cool movie, then make some notes and then just talk about it with you, Chris.
	It's amazing.
	Fantastic.
	Fantastic.
	All right.
	So you chose this movie.
	Let's start with the fact that some of my team members here They don't get it.
	They don't think, they don't understand what the hullabaloo is.
	Come on, Chris!
	This is, like, iconic, no?
	Oh, I think part of it has to do with the fact that, like, you gotta understand, today, everything is computer-generated graphics.
	Everything is bright colors and pretty pictures and, you know, everything's magnificent.
	Back then, you didn't have this kind of, like, very special effects-heavy movie come along every day.
	And when this one came along, it not only had the beautiful special effects, which for us was actually – I mean this was the best that we had.
	This wasn't like – it's sort of like when you go back in time and you talk about the kind of toys that we had to play with as kids and stuff like that.
	I mean this movie looked really cool, but also you had to pair that with really, I would say, a fantastic story.
	One of the best stories in cinema.
	And these guys are just great characters.
	Fantastic characters.
	So you put everything together and you know what?
	It was just a heck of a lot of fun.
	Yeah, I mean just amazing repartee.
	A lot of this stuff is ad-libbed.
	These are, you know, big names from future SNL, from Second City, just classic, classic, you know, comedians at their prime.
	Let me tell you a little story about me and Ghostbusters that I just recalled.
	So I was 13 when this came out, and I can't remember how.
	But I got a pirated VHS copy of the movie before it had been released in England.
	And I was... I was beside myself.
	But the problem was, my parents didn't have a videocassette player.
	We, you know, eventually we'd get one of those top-loading ones that weighed about, you know, a hundred kilos.
	But we didn't have one!
	This is 1984 when they cost like four grand or something ridiculous.
	You're right.
	So I managed to catch this copy from somebody and I begged my neighbors, this lovely, lovely young couple who had a video recorder.
	There's me, 13 year old kid saying, Please, please, can I watch this video?
	And I forced myself upon them, sat in their living room for the next two hours, and it was somebody, because I didn't know until I started playing it, it was somebody in a movie theatre in America.
	So you can see the heads of people going up and down getting some popcorn.
	Somebody filmed it on their own.
	It was a legit bootleg.
	It was a legit bootleg.
	Crappy quality.
	And that was how I first enjoyed Ghostbusters.
	But did you think that it was spectacular?
	Yes!
	Even with the crappy quality?
	Oh, totally!
	Totally!
	Yeah!
	You know, because that's the thing.
	The anticipation is part of it.
	Like, you see the trailers come out and, you know, we don't really have this anymore.
	Back then, a great film was a real event.
	I mean, it was really something special.
	And everybody would be talking about it.
	It was something.
	And really, Ghostbusters was one of those films, one of those few films, That genuinely swept the country.
	There was like ghostbuster fever.
	People were ghostbuster crazy.
	And I think a little bit of it had to do, and you probably were going to bring this up later, but I'll bring it up now, is that iconic song.
	I think that song hit the actual, like the radio charts, you know, the Billboard Top 100.
	It was number one for months.
	I think it was the best-selling single of that year, of the 84, actually.
	Is that true?
	Yeah, I think so.
	That's hilarious.
	But it's a catchy tune, man.
	It's a great song.
	And you pair that with a great film, and it just becomes this, you know, this manic thing in the country.
	And not only the song, the orchestrated music.
	I mean it had real kind of spooky music, it had old instruments, it had a full orchestra.
	When you see the, you know, the lightning come across, there's that moment I think we've got the b-roll after.
	After they explained the the Twinkie that if if the psychic energy in New York were were a Twinkie it would be you know 60 foot long and 300 pounds this I mean when you see the lightning on the painting I mean yes we know it's a model it's not an actual building but the music that's permeating the scene and then you see this temple this massive It's a massive, massive set that becomes the site of the eventual, you know, Zool versus the Ghostbusters.
	It emphasizes one thing for me, Chris.
	Like a couple of other films we've already reviewed, this is kind of a sui generis movie.
	It's its own category, isn't it?
	I mean, it's comedy, but it's supernatural.
	It doesn't fit into any other category, right?
	No, up until, I would say, probably about maybe 10 years ago or something like that, I never even considered it a comedy.
	Somebody mentioned that it was a comedy, sort of like Back to the Future.
	People mention that these movies are comedies from time to time, and you don't really think too much about it, but when I was a little boy, possibly because I didn't understand the jokes... A lot of kids love this movie, you know?
	But we didn't love it because it was funny.
	We loved it because it was this epic adventure.
	And look at this, look at this scene.
	The special effects here of the eggs cooking was actually the eggs cooking.
	They actually turned that island into a hot plate.
	I mean, this is old school, but isn't it perfect?
	Oh, brilliant.
	Brilliantly done.
	And actually, when I was a kid, that alone freaked me out.
	Because if you're like a five, six-year-old kid and you're seeing that happen, you're like, what the hell is going on with those eggs?
	And her expression is perfect.
	I got to say Sigourney Weaver's performance in this film, she's not really like my type.
	I wouldn't say she's my type.
	If you want to see my type, watch the music video of the song Ghostbusters.
	That chick is hot.
	But Sigourney Weaver isn't really my kind of girl.
	But her performance is so good, she sells it.
	She sells it as being sexy, she sells it as being vulnerable, she sells it as being concerned, as being intellectual.
	And detesting Bill Murray at the beginning.
	I mean, her and Bill Murray are just superb.
	Are you like some game show host?
	You're not a scientist!
	Great line, as well.
	And when you're an adult, you get those lines.
	Like, if you're older and you watch it again, she's like, you don't seem much like a scientist.
	And he's like, yeah, scientists are pretty stiff, I guess.
	She goes, you're more like a game show host.
	And he's like, oh, yeah, okay.
	Original line was actually used car salesman, and she changed it.
	She changed it.
	Yeah, she seemed like a pretty bold actress.
	When I used to do auditions, I used to tell people, Uh, don't say anything exactly as it's on the script.
	Don't, don't, uh, sit in the chair there.
	Just, uh, kind of do the actions and stuff like that.
	There was one audition where I actually kissed the girl, like the, the director, I think.
	Like there was somebody that came in to like read the lines with me.
	I kissed the girl.
	Like you just have to kind of do what you want to do for the scene or what you need to do for the scene to get the role.
	And I think she's kind of like that.
	You know, she's just kind of like a she's an aggressive personality.
	And she's just like, this is how my character is.
	And this is how I have to play it.
	that.
	I think that's great.
	And an organic part of the movie.
	I mean, everybody is organic, whether it's Rick Moranis, whether it's the Ghostbusters, whether it's Peck, the guy from the EPA, it all bloody works.
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	Hello, Ghostbusters. - Guys, you can.
	Yes, of course, they're serious.
	You do?
	You have?
	No kidding!
	Uh-huh.
	Well, just, uh, just give me the address.
	Yes, of course.
	Oh, they'll be totally discreet.
	Thank you.
	Talking of an ensemble cast, Annie Potts.
	I think that's one of my favorite moments of the movie, Chris, where she says, oh yes, very discreet, we got one!
	I mean, just classic, classic, classic.
	And then she slams down the buzzer and the whole thing goes crazy and there's this great moment when they finally get to that firehouse and The two guys are trying to negotiate.
	Yeah, Bill Murray, you know, Venkman and Spengler are trying to say, oh, this is garbage.
	We can't afford this.
	They're trying to bring the price down naturally, as you would expect.
	And, you know, the real estate agent or whoever's trying to sell the house is just kind of, like, grumpy and annoyed.
	And then Ray, like, peers out from above the fire pole.
	And he looks down and he's like, this place is great!
	He's like, we should stay the night, you know?
	And the real estate agent's face lights up and these two guys are just like, oh, you idiot, you know?
	And the funny thing is, I got a buddy from college that's exactly like this.
	He's Ray, exactly.
	Genius scientist, but he doesn't, he's not really street smart.
	He doesn't have that idea that like, oh yeah, you gotta, you know, sometimes hold your cards close to your chest.
	He doesn't get it.
	He's just very open and almost childlike, you know?
	And I love that character.
	I love the way that he is.
	Oh, this is great, because this is a point that I was going to make, by the way.
	This movie is very conservative.
	Shockingly conservative.
	Well, there are many theses about how this is the classic Reagan-era movie.
	Unpack that, Chris.
	Yeah, there's two moments in particular that make me think that this is a conservative film.
	Early in the film, they get kicked out of the academic system.
	Academia, right?
	The college system.
	And Ray says something very poignant, very poignant to even today.
	He says, no, no, he's like, I'm pissed off that we lost those jobs because, you know, we didn't have to really do anything.
	He's like, you don't know what it's like in the private sector.
	They expect results.
	Bingo.
	And it's such a brilliant.
	And then and then in this scene, their primary opponent, at least on Earth, you're right, they got Zool and they've got, you know, they've got Gozer.
	But their earthly opponent is the EPA.
	I just love that.
	I love it.
	I think we have the evidence.
	I think it is incontrovertible.
	By the way, let's talk a little bit about the background.
	Let's talk about Ray.
	Let's talk about the man who is the powerhouse behind it, Dan Aykroyd.
	I mean, it was his story.
	He wrote it originally as a vehicle for him and John Belushi before John Belushi passed.
	And the original script had, you know, hundreds of monsters.
	It was massive.
	It was going to be far more costly.
	Um, and then they scale it down.
	They find an ensemble cast.
	But the funny thing about Dan Aykroyd, he believes all this stuff.
	I mean, if you, have you seen, if you've seen some of the interviews with him, he, all the psychic paranormal stuff, he is totally into it.
	Yeah, his dad was into it, his grandfather was into it, he's into it, and I know you have a special interest in this because you find the paranormal fascinating as well, but you make a stronger distinction between you and Aykroyd.
	You find it very critical to be able to detect what is true and what is total BS.
	Right, I find it entertaining.
	I find, you know, the Loch Ness Monster, Sasquatch, all that stuff fun, but I think it all has to be handled with some, how should I say this, critical thought.
	I'm not sure Aykroyd is big onto the critical thought stuff.
	It's like Fox from X-Files, you know, I want to believe, right?
	Yeah, yeah, and Tucker really believes, seems to really believe in alien I'm not so big into the UFO stuff.
	Are there ghosts in real life?
	I don't know.
	I've never seen a ghost.
	I would love it if there were ghosts.
	I think that would be a lot of fun.
	There's a British comedian that I sometimes watch who says, I don't really understand why ghosts only seem to inhabit these little cottages in the countryside.
	You'd think that London would just be swarming with these ghosts.
	If ghosts exist, they'd be where people die, which is more often in the city.
	You'd just be swarming in LA and New York.
	But that's kind of what they talk about here in this movie.
	This movie kind of explains that a little bit.
	Like, there's a little paranormal activity, and then when it goes all to heck, yeah, New York is a sort of epicenter of it all.
	And I don't know, I think he makes it work.
	I think, you know, maybe it took a true believer to make something this brilliant, you know?
	And of course, John Belushi passed, but they actually admit that Slimer, this is Slimer being captured at the Sedgwick Hotel, which is in fact a very famous hotel in Los Angeles, not in New York.
	It's the Biltmore Hotel.
	And they actually filmed it in the actual ballroom.
	When they're blowing stuff up, that is not a set.
	Been there many times.
	Oh, really?
	In many films, yeah.
	Doing background jobs and stuff, yeah, yeah.
	Hollywood shoots in Biltmore all the time, yeah.
	And of course, Slimer is Belushi.
	They based Slimer.
	That's what they say.
	That's what they say, yeah.
	He's the spirit of Belushi.
	Although the guy that designed Slimer said that they only came to him with that note last minute.
	So he just told them that he changed it and they all believed him and they went with it.
	But that was actually not really...
	The Belushi design, but it kind of is Belushi-esque in spirit anyway, I would say.
	Oh yeah, oh yeah.
	And let's, you've mentioned it already, but let's give full credit to Richard Eklund, Dick Eklund, who ran the special effects for this movie.
	ILM was busy, and they just went to Richard and said, okay, here's five, five million dollars.
	Chris, you can't do craft services, okay, on a TV, on a TV.
	On a TV show, right?
	On a TV show today, Dick Edlund's budget for all the special effects was $5 million, and he had to recruit and create his own company because ILM was too busy.
	So he got the best people from Raiders, the best people who were available from Poltergeist, and these are the amazing effects.
	I heard in one of the behind-the-scenes documentary things that they would send to... I forget what the name of the director is.
	They would send him their progress videos.
	They'd be like, okay, we're almost done.
	We want to do some polishing up.
	We want to make sure that you think we're going in the right direction with this special effect.
	And he'd be like, no, it's perfect.
	And he'd just put it in the movie.
	He would just cut it in and they'd be like, wait, hold on, that was a progress thing.
	He's like, no, we don't have time.
	Go on to the next one.
	Move on.
	And so he was using, he was using like their early drafts of special effects for the film.
	So what we're seeing isn't even what it could have been, you know what I mean?
	It's all great.
	It's all, you know, even the state pop, Marshmallow Man, it's all great, right?
	It's perfect.
	It's perfect.
	Actually, Stay Puft, from what I understand, actually got to appear in one of the very early screenings.
	Like, they'd screen this for audiences, wondering if it was going to show well, and they didn't have any of the special effects.
	So a special effects scene would come up and it would say, special effects here.
	Right.
	And people would still scream because of the anticipation sometimes, you know?
	But Stay Puft was able to be in there, and when they got a glimpse of Stay Puft, everybody went nuts, and they go, okay, we got a winner here.
	We do have a winner.
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	All right, let's do Stay Puft.
	It's the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man.
	Well, there's something you don't see every day.
	I tried to think of the most harmless thing.
	Something I loved from my childhood.
	Something that could never, ever possibly destroy us.
	Mr. Stay Puft.
	Nice thinking, Ray.
	The Stay Puft Marshmallow Man, Chris, he's smiling, he's cute, he's a little sailor man, but he's so scary!
	Well, you know, it's funny.
	When I was a kid, I didn't think he was that scary.
	He was the thing in the movie that confused me.
	Because I'm like, why would they?
	I don't understand.
	You got all these evil semen, weird, demonic things going on here.
	And then you got this like, almost like teddy bear, like stuffed animal type character walking up to them.
	And then they, for some reason, start shooting it.
	And then it explodes in marshmallows.
	Like, when you're five years old, you're like, I don't get this.
	No, no, but when he's on fire, climbing up the building, that's pretty creepy.
	That's true.
	And his face is no longer smiling.
	No, he's not smiling.
	He's not smiling anymore.
	Yeah, it becomes, and there is a beautiful line when Stay Puft Marshmallow Man steps on, I think it's St.
	Patrick's Cathedral or something like that.
	Yes.
	And Bill Murray, my good friend Bill Murray, He looks down and he goes, nobody steps on a church in my town.
	Something like that.
	That's it.
	You got it.
	All right.
	We have to also give credit where credit is due to the supporting cast.
	It was meant to be John Candy.
	John Candy was hired.
	He was actually on set.
	But he wanted to play the character in German and so basically they fired him and in comes Rick Moranis.
	A seminal, seminal part of the success of this movie, no?
	The accountant or the CPA next door to Dana.
	Yeah, that's absolutely scared the heck out of me as a kid, watching this little man, Rick Moranis, running away from this demon dog.
	And he gets to this window and he's pounding on the window.
	He's like, Lafayette!
	And everybody, you know, all these rich people are eating dinner and they're just bored.
	You know, like, who's this crazy weirdo?
	And then the dog, of course, possesses him and they all go back to eating like nothing happened and everything's fine.
	But yeah, I always felt bad for this guy because not only Is he trying to get with Dana?
	You know, Sigourney Weaver, and she just has absolutely no interest in him whatsoever.
	Obviously a very socially awkward guy, but then he's got to go through all of this!
	And then he doesn't even get to ride home in the Ecto-1.
	The medics escort him away.
	Here we go, here we go.
	Here's the moment, classic New York, when he's being chased by the demon dog across the park and he ends up against the window of the fancy eating establishment and something happens to him.
	He's taken over by the demons and The Manhattanites just turned back to their vichyssoise and their lobster thermidor and get on with their dinner.
	But it would not have worked, I don't think, with John Candy.
	What do you think?
	You know, I don't know.
	John Candy apparently had his own weird way of...
	Doing this role that Reitman didn't like.
	Yep.
	So we never would really know.
	I mean, Belushi was supposed to actually play the character of Rey, I think.
	Or maybe Egon, I don't know.
	But he was supposed to play one of the characters.
	And we wouldn't have had Bill Murray in the role.
	Right.
	Bill Murray is such an odd guy.
	He's like not a natural human being.
	He's a very unique, quirky fellow.
	And he has not a good rep in Hollywood, right Chris?
	No, he doesn't.
	He doesn't.
	And, uh, you know, he just kind of does what he wants to do, probably to a degree that's too much for most productions.
	But, you know, he is, he is absolutely beloved by millions.
	I've never loved Bill Murray comedy.
	I watched Bill Murray do his thing and I'm like, I don't get it, you know?
	Really?
	But then I had, yeah, I've never liked Bill Murray comedy.
	But then one of my good friends in England, that's his, it's like legit her favorite actor of all time.
	She just thinks Bill Murray is legit the best, the greatest comedic actor ever in history.
	And I respect that.
	I love Groundhog Day.
	I obviously love Ghostbusters.
	Scrooge?
	Have you watched Scrooge?
	His Scrooge is pretty good.
	Of course.
	Scrooge Duh with a D. Yeah, he's brilliant and Scrooged.
	And actually some real acting in Scrooge, by the way.
	Not just like goofing around, like he's legit in Scrooge.
	But in this one, you know, what would it have been like with a more straight actor or with somebody with a different kind of charisma?
	We'll never know.
	But what Bill Murray did with it was obviously fantastic.
	It obviously worked because this is considered one of the greatest films of all time.
	We are indeed celebrating one of the best, truly iconic, that's what we do here in Making Movies Great Again.
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	Okay, spores, molds, and fungus.
	I bet you like to read a lot, too.
	Print is dead.
	Oh, that's very fascinating to me.
	I read a lot myself.
	Some people think I'm too intellectual, but I think it's a fabulous way to spend your spare time.
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	Another classic line, perfect for a t-shirt, the late, great Harold Ramis.
	There was supposed to be a sidebar story of a romance between Annie Potts' Janine and Harold Ramis' character.
	It wasn't really developed, but he brings so much to all of this, as well as the person who helped scale back Aykroyd's script and make it far more manageable.
	Ramis didn't just act in it, he also wrote a lot of the final Ghostbusters.
	Yeah, him and Reitman.
	Reitman says that he basically came up with the whole concept of this as a startup business as opposed to an already existing business like franchise, which was originally was going to be.
	And yeah, what they did here is great.
	It's almost like a superhero origin story.
	And I gotta say, Egon is perfect.
	Whatever, you know, Harold Ramis was thinking Egon was going to be.
	He said, he said, he said, uh, I played it as a new age, uh, Spock from Star Trek.
	It was Spock for the 1980s.
	Perfect.
	Perfect.
	I mean, but see, the weird thing is he doesn't come across as Spock, but he comes across as whatever, you know, a scientist, a serious scientist who really, you know, takes his job seriously.
	He does have this kind of ability to almost to take things too seriously and not to get jokes and to take everything literally.
	Like it's unclear whether he even understands that, you know, the secretary's hitting on him.
	That's not even obvious.
	So it's like...
	And he's perfect.
	The way he plays that, he created, you know, sometimes when we're acting, we think we're presenting the character in one way, and then you watch it back and it's something else.
	And this is one of the reasons why some actors hate watching themselves, you know, because they're like, oh, that's not really what I was trying to do.
	It doesn't matter if the audience loves it, it wasn't what you were trying to put on screen.
	But whatever he was trying to put on screen, This worked.
	This was absolutely perfect.
	It was exactly what it needed to be.
	And I would actually go so far as to say each character was basically perfect.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	This is my next question.
	You don't buy into the, uh, we have to feel sorry for Winston.
	We have to feel sorry for Ernie Hudson because he's like this fourth wheel that's just added late into it.
	No, he's black and it's the 1980s.
	That's what, uh, that's what was done.
	No, they added him as the expository guy that would be the representative of the viewers who would have to have stuff explained to him.
	But is he part of the Ghostbusters, really?
	Does he fit in?
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Oh, he's part of the Ghostbusters.
	Look, he was supposed to come in earlier in the film.
	These three guys are obviously good buddies, right?
	They've been buddies since they were kids, obviously.
	There's a moment when Ray turns to Bill Murray and he says, You never studied.
	And it's like, you know, they've known each other for a long time, you know.
	He respects his intelligence, but he knows he's just a little bit too cavalier with his education.
	Ernie comes in late, but he just integrates perfectly with the guys, even though these three have been friends for years and years and years.
	He integrates as one of the guys.
	He is a little bit of an outsider.
	You can tell that in the prison, you know, when they're in jail.
	He's like, look, I'm not even, I just work for these guys.
	I'm not part of this, you know.
	But he sticks with them on the top of that building.
	And I have to say, this ending is great, because these guys are not tough guys.
	No.
	There's nothing tough about them.
	These guys are not Schwarzenegger in Conan the Barbarian.
	You know, they're not Sylvester Stallone in Rocky, or in Rainbow... But they do survive a massive explosion, just like Arnie does at the end of Predator.
	The whole top of the building turns into a fireball, and they just kind of walk out of it covered in shaving foam.
	Yeah, actually, this time I was watching, I was looking at that explosion going, That's incredible.
	I don't know how they survived that.
	But here's the great moment about it.
	You don't have to be a tough guy to be a good man, to be an alpha male.
	You know, they're talking about, oh, you got to be an alpha male.
	Now, all you got to do is say, OK, there's a moment in which I have to, you know, something's got to get done here and I'm going to rise to the occasion.
	I'm going to do it.
	They did what needed to be done in the moment that it needed to be done.
	You know, they stood up against this force that was obviously going to destroy them.
	And they said, let's just, you know, let's cross the streams.
	Despite the fact that this is probably going to obliterate us, we gotta do this to save the city, to save the world.
	This is what we gotta do.
	So, even though they're nerdy, even though they're basically weak, pathetic guys, you know, they rose to the occasion and they did it.
	And, you know, I think that's just a perfect character in a movie.
	Yeah, nicely put.
	I hadn't even analyzed it to that level in depth.
	But, yeah, you're absolutely right.
	None of these guys are superheroes or macho men.
	On the contrary.
	But they risk it all to save the world.
	And they save the world.
	And they'll do it again in the next movie.
	Chris, do you like old movies?
	Do you like black and white movies?
	I love black and white movies.
	Some of my favorite movies are the Thin Man series.
	All right, so I said at the beginning this is a sui generis movie.
	It's a category unique to itself.
	However, I will modify that by saying it is an homage to something that came before.
	And it's a couple of comedians.
	I grew up, my father absolutely adored Lauren Hardy.
	So I grew up on Lauren Hardy.
	And then I discovered Abbott and Costello.
	And for those who aren't familiar, you need to understand that Ghostbusters is actually an homage to the supernatural comedies of Abbott and Costello.
	And we've got a couple of the posters here.
	So let's just remind everybody, if you haven't seen these, check them out.
	They took the biggest, scariest monsters of the time, whether it's Boris Karloff as Frankenstein, whether it's their proto-Ghostbusters, Abbott and Costello meet other ghosts, Whether it's The Mummy, whether it's Lon Chaney as the Wolfman, Jekyll and Hyde, Hold That Ghost, these are the original comedy horror movies.
	Are you familiar with these, Chris?
	Well, in the behind-the-scenes documentaries, they do talk about them a little bit.
	Aykroyd talks about these films.
	And so, yeah, it does follow in this tradition.
	And he's actually very self-deprecating.
	He says, you know, it's just in the tradition of the Abbott and Costello ghost, you know, movies and stuff.
	I guess there was a film called Ghost Breakers or something like this.
	This is like a Bob Hope film.
	Okay.
	And so I think he took the name from that or something like this.
	I've never seen any of these movies.
	No?
	You haven't seen any of the Abbott and Costello movies?
	No, no.
	I know that they have this tradition of sort of goofing on the monster movies.
	All right.
	Well, we've got a treat for you.
	We're going to show you something momentarily.
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	All right, Abbott and Costello, roll VT.
	Dracula can change himself at will into a vampire bat.
	Flying about the countryside.
	flying.
	Jack! Jack! Jack! Jack! Jack! Jack! Jack!
	You're making enough noise to wake up the dead.
	I don't have to wake him up.
	He's...
	I don't have to wake him up.
	He's up.
	Classic Abbott and Costello.
	That's from Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein.
	With, actually, Bela Lugosi.
	That is Bela Lugosi in the casket.
	That is the original OG Dracula, guys.
	If you've had enough with woke crap movies and TV, you know, there's so much good stuff out there.
	If you go prior color, Chris, isn't there just so much good stuff out there?
	Oh yeah, you know, it's funny.
	I feel like old classic films get a bad name.
	Yeah.
	Get a bad rap, because here's what I think the critics like to do.
	They like to look at old films.
	They like to say, what was popular in the day?
	Well, I don't like that.
	I'm too good for that.
	Yeah.
	I'm going to look at this thing that people didn't really appreciate in the day, and I'm going to show everybody why I'm so much more sophisticated than everybody else.
	I'm going to explain why I understand why this is so good.
	Because I'm smarter.
	Because I'm so special and smart.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	They're like...
	Peck from Ghostbusters, actually.
	And they want everybody to think they're so smart.
	But the reality is, if you just look at some of the stuff that was made for the popular folks.
	Stuff that was made for the general population, right?
	The comedy love stories.
	A lot of this stuff.
	William Powell, Myrna Loy, those films.
	I like the Thin Man movies.
	But also, anything with like Catherine Hepburn and You know, these old comedies where you would get a couple, there'd be some kind of miscommunication, they'd get into some kind of adventure.
	These movies were actually fantastic.
	Very, very funny.
	Very charming.
	And well written.
	And well written.
	And really well written.
	Really well written.
	And I've not seen the Abbot & Costello, but I can't wait to actually go through that collection and have a look at those as well.
	All right.
	Check them out.
	You will have a lot of fun.
	Lauren Hardy, Abbot & Costello.
	And even you can do the silent stuff.
	Harold Lloyd, you know, up there with Buster Keaton.
	Amazing, amazing comedians.
	All right, dude, you did it.
	You picked a really good one, a super fun one.
	Ghostbusters 2, also fun, and then there was all the other cartoons and stuff like that.
	Oh, and by the way, if you're into the cars, the Ecto, if you go to the special features of the Ghostbusters movie, there's a whole sub-menu on Dan Aykroyd, who's a massive, you know, gasoline head and his restoration of the original Ecto that they found in some junkyard somewhere.
	All right, are you ready for the next movie, Chris Coles?
	I'm ready.
	It's funny that you say gasoline head because we don't say petrol head.
	Well, I'm translating.
	I'm translating.
	It's just very funny to me.
	No, I want to know.
	What's the next one?
	What are we doing next week?
	I'll give you a clue.
	There can be only one.
	Wow!
	Don't you think?
	Don't you think?
	If we're going to do 80s movies?
	I wasn't expecting that for a while.
	Okay, I'm excited about this.
	I haven't seen this in a long time.
	Come on.
	One of my utter favorites.
	Sean Connery as an Egyptian Spaniard.
	Christophe Lambert, a French guy as a Scotsman.
	Yeah, only the 80s.
	We are watching the OG Highlander.
	In the meantime, make sure you are subscribed to my buddy Chris Coles on the Mr. Regan channel on YouTube.
	Alpha Critic as well.
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