Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Is the case against Trump collapsing?
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But we don't know what's going on, but I can tell you there appears to be chaos in that office right now, as there should be, because the Manhattan District Attorney's Office was once the pinnacle of prosecutor's office in this country.
You know, now it's something that's being used as a political tool, and when I see the justice system and a prosecutor's office being used to weaponize the justice system against an individual, it makes me sick to my stomach.
As a former prosecutor, I could never have imagined this.
Joe Tacopino, not exactly a former big fan of President Trump, but now he's working for President Trump and is a person who worked in, what was it, Jeff Brooklyn?
Was he a prosecutor?
Yeah, Brooklyn.
So he knows how this works and he says it's falling apart for Alvin Bragg.
I'll explain why in a moment.
I'm Sebastian Gorka.
It's America First.
It's great to be back in the saddle.
Yesterday I had to do a little bit of an excursion.
I drove almost 800 miles to Fort Bragg and back.
Jim Hansen, former Green Beret, stepped into the breach to guest host for me and he did a That's a pretty good job.
I listened on my drive down and my drive back up to DC.
But let's just share a photograph of the handsome young men I met.
69 young captains going through the Special Forces Qualification Course at the John F. Kennedy School for Special Warfare.
And one lady, yeah, one lady was in the crowd.
We had a discussion about China, Russia, grand strategy.
That!
Look at those men.
They are protecting America.
God bless every single one of them.
It was great to be back with the Brotherhood in Bragg, but it's just as good to be back with you today.
All right, so what happened yesterday?
Well, let's read a certain piece of evidence that became rather viral yesterday evening.
It's signed by one Stephen M. Ryan.
Counsel for Michael Cohen.
Oh, that's interesting.
He's the attorney for the star witness in the case against President Trump that that deranged individual in Manhattan Alvin Bragg is trying to bring.
It's dated February the 8th, 2018, via email to the Federal Election Commission.
So this is a response to, you know, some kind of problem with campaign finance back then.
So this is Cohen's lawyer writing to the Federal Election Commission offices in Washington, D.C., and it says big letters.
I'm going to show you there.
Here's the letter.
Highly confidential.
Well, not anymore, it ain't.
Mr. Jordan, I am writing on behalf of my client, Michael D. Cohen, in response to your letter dated January the 30th, 2018.
Specifically, this letter responds to the complaint numbered MUR7313, which was filed with the Federal Election Commission by Common Cause and Paul S. Ryan.
Do you remember him?
Do you remember Paul Ryan?
In a private transaction in 2016, before the U.S.
presidential election, Mr. Cohen... Ready for this bit?
Write this bit down.
Mr. Cohen used his own personal funds To facilitate a payment of $130,000 to Ms.
Stephanie Clifford.
Eric, who's Ms.
Stephanie Clifford?
That name actually doesn't sound familiar to me, but I'm sure her identity is important in this particular case.
Yeah, because that's the real name of Stormy Daniels.
A payment to Ms.
Stephanie Clifford.
Neither the Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign was a party to the transaction with Ms.
Clifford and neither reimbursed Mr. Cohen for the payment directly or indirectly.
Let's just enjoy that sentence again.
Mr. Cohen used his own personal funds to pay Stormy Daniels and neither the Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign was a party to the transaction.
Contrary to the allegations in the complaint, which are entirely speculative, neither Mr. Cohen nor Essential Consultants LLC made any in-kind contributions to the Trump campaign or any other presidential campaign committee.
Mr. Cohen has not been a government employee during any of the relevant time period.
The payment in question does not constitute a campaign contribution or expenditure and therefore the FEC lacks jurisdiction over this matter.
The complaints have not and cannot present any evidence to the contrary.
Accordingly, the complaint should be dismissed.
Please contact me at your earliest convenience at, ahem, phone number redacted, if you have any questions regarding this letter.
All right, so there you have it.
This is the letter from McDermott, Will and Emery, the attorneys to Michael Cohen, saying that the payment made to Stormy Daniels was made by Michael Cohen from his personal funds.
And he was never reimbursed by the Trump Organization or the Trump campaign.
So what's Alvin Bragg doing?
Today, the grand jury was supposed to meet.
Today, they were supposed to meet.
And tomorrow, they were supposed to meet.
And according to the latest press reports, the meetings of the grand jury have been cancelled.
Mr. G, after what I just read out to all of our listeners, what do you think is going to happen next?
50-50.
Really?
That's kind of where I am.
50-50?
Yes.
Go ahead.
I think either one could happen.
I just feel like their base wants it so bad, they want the arrest.
I think that they're going to have to maybe give in to them.
But the second, Tacopino, or anybody else, pulls this letter up in court, what happens to the- Oh yeah, as I said about the lawyer, it's either that it means that the crime didn't happen, or the guy that's saying it did is going to be a liar because he was lying before.
Which is Cohen.
Right, so either Cohen or this lawyer that might get in trouble as well.
So this is the attorney, Stephen M. Ryan, counsel for Michael Cohen.
Either they're both lying, or there's some other evidence.
And look, I think I agree with Mr. G.
Right now, as it stands at, what is it, 3, 14 and 52 seconds on Thursday afternoon Eastern Standard Time, it's 50-50.
Why?
Because they're so committed.
The only issue for Bragg is he needs to be re-elected.
We have this weird thing in America that we have elections for prosecutors.
The idea that he gets so close that they're having a grand jury.
That they're listening to witnesses behind closed doors.
And then he decides not to.
Oof.
That's not gonna look good at all in his re-election campaign.
But secondly, there is this demand.
The crazy base.
Not just the base, look at the Democrat party in the last, what, ten years?
There's not a rational person there, at least not in any position of power or relevance.
There's nobody akin to I don't know.
Bill Clinton, who you don't have to love, but at least wasn't a loony like AOC or Bernie or the Squad.
Even Nancy, even Chuck have totally jet-afflicted and surrendered to the crazies.
So maybe they do it anyway.
But then President Trump has the proof.
The deep state is after him.
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Yeah, that was something Jim mentioned yesterday.
His opinion is that he refers to the Chekhov's gun principle, that at this point, with their base demanding it so much, they really have no choice to go for it anyway, even if the case fails.
Yeah, but then he's screwed in the re-election.
Trump or Biden?
Bragg!
Oh, Bragg!
Oh, well, yeah, I mean, if he goes after Trump but loses the case?
Yeah, if the case collapses.
If somebody just pulls up that letter and they just throw it out of court.
Yes, it depends on how many voters in New York are that hardcore in the base and just want to see Trump in cuffs, even if the case is garbage.
I mean, how many times have they pursued cases that are obvious garbage, like Rittenhouse, where it was clear-cut self-defense and they still went after him anyway?
I mean, that determination is pretty strong.
Alright, so we've got this guest for 1D.
Yeah, what's his name?
Uh, his name is... David... How do you spell?
Barry.
B-A-R-R... B-E.
B-E-R-R-Y?
Mm-hmm.
Okay, and is he... Let me see if he's on Twitter or something.
He is.
He's under Doc.
It's, uh, Dr. Malibu.
Dr. Malibu on Twitter.
Okay.
That helps.
Oh, yeah, I see him.
Okay.
Just a moment there.
Get this monologue.
Oh, title for the monologue?
The collapse of Alvin Bragg's case, question mark.
Boil's on.
Oh, yep.
Boil is on!
Dr. G, what's going on, sir?
How we doing?
Are we ready for the weekend?
Oh, yeah.
Why's the chyron say with guest host Jim Hanson?
Oh, sorry.
That's from yesterday.
Thank you.
Sorry, carry on, Matt.
Yeah, no, what a week, huh?
What a nutty, nutty week.
Yeah, look, I mean, I think President Trump is in prime position to win the nomination and the White House back.
What stories are you working on?
All sorts of stuff.
So I'm down in Orlando right now.
I was down here for the House GOP retreat earlier this week.
So I've got all sorts of interviews.
So I interviewed two of the committee chairs who were pressing Bragg for answers.
Jordan and Brian Steele.
And so I published the Steele one already.
I'm working on the Jordan one.
I did a bunch of stuff with Lee Stefanik, like a whole bunch of the other members too.
So all sorts of stuff coming from that.
But I just decided to hang out in Orlando for the rest of the week.
Yep.
All right.
We'll talk about the latest news.
We'll talk about the DeSantis interview.
I'm going to tee up cut 10 for Matt.
Okay.
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Food for the poor at the top and then tee up cut 10.
Yep.
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Sarah audio.
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Matt Boyle.
Greetings, Matt.
Dr. G, always a pleasure.
Great to be here.
All right.
First things first, let's talk about, did you see the DeSantis interview with that pathetic individual, Piers Morgan?
What a disaster in the train wreck of an interview.
Honestly, like, he's not doing himself any favors right now.
If I were him, I would course correct.
I'd fire everybody.
I would make a lot of changes.
Here's a little clip.
Here's a little 12 second clip.
This is Ron DeSantis with that clown Piers Morgan.
Cut 10.
You think you could beat Biden?
I think so.
So you're running then?
No, I didn't say that.
I just said I think I could.
I mean, I think that that's... I mean, if you look at Florida... Who would be harder to beat, Biden or Donald Trump?
I don't know.
Those are two different... I think I could beat Joe Biden.
That is... It's not really very impressive, Matt.
I mean, again, just... Like, I don't even understand why he's doing an interview with Piers Morgan.
Like, why even give him the time of day?
Why sit down with him?
I don't understand why Governor DeSantis isn't on your show, isn't on my show, isn't doing, you know, like, across-the-board conservative media.
It just doesn't make any sense.
But he's making jokes about porn star Hush Money.
I mean, that's going to really win him over to the American people, right?
No.
And by the way, also, you know, during that press conference, I thought that the worst thing that he said, rather than the joke about Stormy Daniels and the Hush Money, Is that he said that it's not a real issue, right?
It's, you know, that weaponization.
I mean, we literally have a committee in Congress now because the Republicans are in the majority that is designed to investigate weaponization of the government by leftists against conservatives.
It's far broader than President Trump.
President Trump is just one of many victims that is going through this.
But, I mean, the Justice Department's been targeting parents.
You've been seeing them go after people for their religious beliefs, for their beliefs on the vaccine.
I mean, there's quite a few attacks that we've been seeing on the weaponization of government.
That's why we need a whole committee to investigate them all.
But the fact is that DeSantis brushing it off as not a real issue was not very wise, I didn't think.
And I think that's why you're seeing him, you know, I do think that Governor DeSantis has been a great governor.
I think that a lot of the policies that he's put in place have been strong, but if he's intending to run for president, he's going about it all the wrong way right now.
And again, I don't know if he's going to change or not, or if this thing is already over or not, but the fact is that I'm not seeing a strong 2024 presidential candidate emerge from Tallahassee right now.
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Matt, we read the whole letter at the top of the show from Michael Cohen's former attorney saying that he paid Stormy Daniels out of his own money, was never reimbursed by the Trump Organization or the Trump campaign.
You know the left better than most.
Looks like Alvin Bragg's in big trouble.
Do you predict him going through with an indictment, or is this whole thing going to collapse over the weekend?
Well, there's no reason to believe that he's changing course at this time, but the last two days, I mean, they called it off yesterday, they called it off today, right?
We're getting anonymously sourced leaks.
I don't have sources on the grand jury, so I don't know what's happening in that room.
I don't want to give off a false impression, but the point is that what we've seen in weeks through the media is that they keep hitting the brakes on this when they were, earlier in the week at least, intending to go forward with it as soon as Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday.
Well, it's Thursday afternoon and there's still no indictment, so maybe they're getting cold feet.
Maybe the case is collapsing because of that.
I don't know.
But in addition to that, Alvin Bragg sent a letter to Congress to the congressional investigators who are investigating.
He has now formally decided to be a hostile subject of the investigation from Congress, and that he will not cooperate with congressional investigators from the House Judiciary, Oversight, and Administration committees.
And that is a major escalation, I think.
So he's going to be arrested like Peter Navarro, I guess, by the DOJ and the FBI.
Well, the DOJ and the FBI are run by the Democrats right now, right?
It's run by Biden and his people, so I don't expect them to enforce a contempt resolution, but what you're going to see in the next stage, I think, is a subpoena.
One would think.
Uh, Jim Jordan announced last night that they are seeking witness interviews with, uh, there are several career prosecutors, by the way.
There's a lot of good people that work at all these agencies, just to be very clear, right?
Like at the, you know, FBI, Justice Department, et cetera.
There's a lot of bad people too, but there's good people that are like just good career prosecutors or agents or whatever.
There's a couple of career prosecutors in the Manhattan district attorney's office who left because of, they disagreed with the way Bragg was going about this.
And Jim Jordan is now seeking them to come up and testify on Capitol Hill.
So I think that we're in the top of the first inning here of this congressional investigation into Alvin Bragg and his behavior as Manhattan District Attorney.
And you're going to keep us posted on all the developments.
I'm Sebastian Gorka and we've been talking to the Washington Bureau Chief for Breitbart.com.
Thank you, Matt.
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Yep.
Okay.
All right.
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DeSantis also said in an interview that he's not on Ozempic.
What?
I'm just reading this now from the Daily Mail.
Yeah.
His weight loss is due to cutting out carbs and sugar, not Ozempic.
The fact that he has to say that... News.
It's real news.
You want to post that Boyle interview?
or?
No need.
We can't have Boyle on again without B-roll.
We have to make sure that whatever the topic we're discussing, like DeSantis and Trump, we have to have B-roll.
All righty.
What about Jarrett?
Because it's the same thing.
Do you want to be all for that?
Yeah, yeah.
Brag.
Trump.
Trump.
And the Bidens.
Thank you.
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Why?
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What did you do?
Um, for like three and a half months, I just went on like a really hardcore diet.
Mostly I cut out breakfast, um, and kind of low carb, all that type of stuff.
It was a low inflammation diet, which is almost like the Mediterranean diet.
What did you use to do?
You used to have breakfast every day?
Yeah, I got rid of breakfast, which was easy after about a week.
And I started running again, which I hate, but it works for me.
Oh, running?
Oh my gosh, how much do you run?
Like three or four times a week, I do three miles, which I hate.
But I have to do it outside.
I can't do it on a treadmill.
Because I just stare at the time.
You could watch something.
Like, you know, your favorite science fiction movies.
I can't pay attention when I do that.
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What?
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Forest in Florida.
Dr. Gorgia, how are you, sir?
Good!
Happy Thursday!
Happy Thursday.
So, I wanted to thank you for a visit that you paid to the Special Forces War Officers course 10 years ago.
I'm retired now, so I can speak to it.
I want to say in this time of competing narratives and changing norms, Within the Department of Defense and within Special Forces, your visits matter.
You are planting seeds that are taking root, and your visits matter, sir.
Well, that's very kind.
I do two things.
I've done a couple of different things for the CG and others, the commanding general.
But the two things I've done for a decade in Fort Bragg is the 18 Alpha course.
That's the captains, the young officers who have become Green Berets.
And then the 180 Alphas, you guys, the senior warrants.
And I have to tell you, talking to you and your colleagues, That's when I went into the classroom to learn from you.
When I'm meeting guys who've had 10, you know, 11 tours in theatre, it's just such an incredible experience and an honour.
What was it about our discussion that sticks in your mind?
Why did you take time to call in today, Forrest?
Well, for one, I'm driving to a Patriot event.
But secondly, when I heard that you went down to Bragg, I just wanted to thank you for that visit, because as a retiree, now I can do so.
But then thirdly, as a recent retiree, and as a man who retired after 25 years in service, you know, I've witnessed and appreciated the change, positive and negative, in terms of the focus under different commanders, under different presidents.
Um, so the change in administration and the change in focus from president to president to a different president, uh, has been appreciable.
And some of the social, you know, norms that I've seen, uh, aren't necessarily related to, uh, war fighting and war fighting capability.
So when we receive something that isn't, you know, I'll just say this.
When we receive something from any speaker that's grounded in truth, And it's patriotic.
It's doubly appreciated, sir.
Well, God bless you being incredibly diplomatic, but I know what you're saying because after I left the Trump administration and Biden came in, there were people who had issues with me talking to our military because they were political actors.
They didn't care about national security.
Stay on the line, Forrest.
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God bless you and thank you for taking the time and thank you for serving the nation in uniform.
Let's go to Chad, California.
Welcome.
Dr. Gorka, pleasure to speak with you.
All right, what's your question?
What's your comment, Chad?
Yeah, a comment on this $130,000 NDA payment.
That's a really odd number.
Not only is it odd, but it's small.
I live in California and for a 2017 economy even, That would only get me by for maybe a year.
If I was going to extort somebody, like a billionaire, I would go for at least ten times that and a rounder number.
It just seems like a really strange thing.
So what do you think is behind it?
Now that we have the letter that it had nothing to do with Donald Trump, but it was Michael Cohen's own money, do you have any theory, Chad?
No, Cohen's a weasel.
Was paying for services rendered?
Yeah, that's what crosses my mind exactly.
Yeah, he is a weasel, he's a weasel to listen to, he's a weasel to look at.
And it's right, I mean, if you're trying to extort something, if you've really had sex with a billionaire, $130,000, yeah, Really good analysis, Chad.
Good job.
Stay on the line.
Let's give Chad one of our challenge coins because, yeah, I think he's on to something.
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What's that?
Did you listen to the pre-record?
A little bit.
So Chuck Holton wrote a book on manhood, so let's get him on for the manhood hour.
Who is, how do I, is that the Newsmax guy?
The Newsmax guy.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah.
Did you see who also has a book coming out called Manhood?
Ronda Santas?
No.
Close.
Josh Hawley.
Oh yeah, I saw that.
I saw that.
Comes out in May.
Is the picture of him running on the front of it?
He does run weirdly.
It's just, it's not a nat- It was more of a fast walk that he was doing in that video.
Yeah, but it was weird.
It looked like Biden.
It's like the hands and the feet were not in sync or something.
It was weird.
Were you a fan of Hawley's?
I, again, remembering the time you had him on the show.
Eric!
Eric!
I'm saying, after that interview you had him on the show, I used to like him.
I still think he's one of the better ones, but I don't like him as much as I used to.
Okay.
I'll still take him any day over, like, Tim Scott.
I think the stuff he says is better.
I just think he's a fraud.
Yeah, yeah.
Is there anybody who you think isn't a fraud, Geoff?
Uh, Trump.
I like people that decided not to get into politics as soon as they got out of college and act like they hate government.
Like Ted Cruz did, that's why I didn't like him.
Like DeSantis.
Such cynicism!
And our two best leaders the last 40 years, both were not politicians and got into it afterwards because they hated it.
Trump and Reagan.
Yeah, that's true.
I like Ron Johnson.
Johnson's a straight shooter, yeah.
But is he in it for the click-baity funny statements, or to make a difference?
No, I think it's to make a difference.
And he was very good with the whole Russia nonsense stuff.
He's not the best communicator, but he's a solid guy.
And he's from a swing state.
Yeah, that is true, too.
Gohmert was my favorite congressman.
Gohmert was pretty solid.
You were excited when he was in the studio, I remember that.
I wonder what he's gonna do now.
Play with his grandkids, I hope.
50 seconds.
Alright, we need to come in with something.
Maybe another DeSantis clip from Piers Morgan?
No.
Oh, Kirby, the LGBT Cut 4?
Yeah, let's do that.
Alrighty, no liner.
Or actually, no, I'm going to do that in a monologue.
Oh, okay, never mind then.
Anything else?
The Hannity thing?
Yeah, come in with that.
Coming with Hannity Cut 1. No liner. No liner.
No liner.
In my view, very simple metric, if you haven't made payroll in your life, if you haven't run a business and made payroll, you shouldn't be a politician.
Agreed.
I agree.
And I did run a business, and I did have to pay for workman's comp, and I did have to pay payroll taxes.
There's a problem with you talking about it, because some of our leadership, and whether you criticize them or not from your political perspective, is they've never run a business, I mean, if you haven't done that, you don't know how hard it is to just go day to day to day.
Does anybody, does Hannity really think we care about whether he paid workman's comp when he had a company?
Can we just hear your guest?
Seriously, Hannity.
It's Kevin O'Leary's Mr. Wonderful, making a wonderful point.
You shouldn't run for politics.
If you've never had to make payroll.
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Somebody who impressed me on one of these insane Twitter spaces I was on recently.
His name is David Berry and he has some unusual qualifications.
Mr. Berry, welcome to America First!
Well, thank you, Seb, and I appreciate the shout out and going public with my name.
No problem.
Thank you.
Oh, was I not supposed to do that?
No, it's okay.
It's okay.
All right.
Well, let's talk about your legal analysis, Counsel Berry.
We were talking about what was happening in the Manhattan district of New York, and we were on a call with some people who think that everything's hunky-dory with the legal system in America, and you had some very wise words to say.
So would you give us your strategic overview of whether or not there is a problem in the legal system in the United States?
Well, there's certainly a big problem with the legal system in the United States, not the least of which is the court's adherence to a doctrine called the Political Question Doctrine, which basically states that the court should stay away from questions strictly, as they consider to be political in nature.
That's sort of derived from the detritus of the Gore v. Bush campaign and all the criticism the court came under.
for rendering the decision that it did.
So courts since then, I think, have been way too passive in terms of ensuring that election law in general is followed, as we see in Arizona, with the Lake Victory.
They might be finally coming around.
Yes.
But in respect to what's going on with Bragg and the potential prosecution of Trump for the Stormy Daniels-Michael Cohen fiasco, My response in that space were to, I would say, liberals who were defending Bragg as an honest actor, as a confident prosecutor without a bias against Trump.
And they stuck to that mantra, and they always do, regardless of what sort of abuse of due process that we see in the court.
Whatever we said, it didn't matter whether we talked about Impeachment 1, Impeachment 2, the Mueller probe.
It seemed as if the facts of the matter are irrelevant.
Sure.
There, a lot of those people, the space we were in was, can I mention his name?
Yeah, totally.
Yeah, absolutely.
Mario Nafal, you can find him on Twitter, as you can find me on Twitter under at Dr. Malibu.
But Mario brings in, you know, top voices like yourself, Tom Fenton, Ex-Congressman, he had Rudy Giuliani in there the other night.
Yes.
He had Lev Parnas in there.
I don't know if you saw that.
Unfortunately, I did.
Yeah, apparently about to drop another poison pill on the public as it relates to Rudy and Mr. Trump's conduct during Mr. Trump's presidency and his phone calls to Ukraine.
But in any case, he draws a huge crowd.
It's a brand new technology.
It's really not brand new, but the way that Elon Musk has revived it and tacked it on to Twitter has really allowed for a huge number of people to gather together in a virtual space.
And under the conduct of a host like yourself, Mario conducts these spaces, hundreds and thousands of people listening at a time.
And collectively to these last few spaces, he's had over a quarter million listeners.
And over, you know, five or six hour period.
Yeah.
So it's really the grassroots in this country.
It really is the public space that we always talked about in the context of free speech and what our founding fathers envisioned in terms of the freedom to go out in public and state your opinion, irregardless of its political content.
That's really been suppressed over the last six years, as my account was.
I was banned in 2018.
We're arguing issues relating to the persecution, as I saw it, of President Trump.
And Elon is really, for whatever criticism some might have for him in terms of it not being a perfect solution to date, it's really exploded the grassroots in ways that it's very, very hard for me to comprehend.
I just, as I did in Mario's space, I've been joining these other spaces, expressing my opinion and finding a huge, overwhelming
Uh, support from not just conservatives, not just from MAGA, but from independents and not too few a number of liberals who are just frustrated with not just their local situations, but the larger repression of our civil rights by the Biden administration and the administration writ large.
Well, I commend you for what I heard you say during that space, as I think we're in front of 9,000 people live at one time, and you brought a level of sanity to the legal analysis.
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Thank you, David.
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And more than just him defending him on that stage, he has directed the chair of the Judiciary Committee, Jim Jordan, to essentially investigate the Manhattan District Attorney.
Jordan and other Republican chairs have written to the DA demanding documents, demanding testimony.
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Yes, sir.
So my question is, you had that boil on earlier?
Yeah.
Breitbart had a report this morning, and they said that Alden Bragg is not going to, he's not going to comply with anything.
So my question is, and I'm going to preface the question real quick.
I admire the Democrats in this regard, because when they have the levers of power, they do anything in their positions that they feel.
And so what I want to know is, do you think that Kevin McCarthy is going to have the intestinal fortitude Because I don't know if, I want to make sure this is true, that when somebody basically doesn't comply with the subpoena through Congress, that they have the authority to arrest that person under the, I believe it's the sergeant at arms, to go grab that person, put them in handcuffs, and bring them before Congress.
Is that true?
Well, they don't need to.
They can use the DOJ like they did with Peter Navarro.
They can use the FBI.
OK, there you go.
So will Kevin McCarthy have the intestinal fortitude to do that?
Well, I don't know, but he's been doing pretty well for the last three months, don't you think?
Yeah, so far.
So far so good.
So we shall see.
We shall see.
Thank you, buddy.
Thank you, Glenn.
Antoinette, is it Thursday?
I think it is.
Line five.
Hey, Dr. G, happy and crazy Thursday.
How the hell are you doing?
I'm good.
I'm refreshed.
I always love seeing the guys at Bragg, so I was very excited this morning.
I thought, it's good to be back, but it's good to be back in the studio.
Yeah, it is.
Listen, I've got three things.
Number one, I'm with Mr. G. I'm with Jeff.
I do not trust these censorious, viral Democrats.
They're evil.
So I'm kind of with Jeff on this, of them handcuffing our president.
Number two, the outreach, the response of everybody with their flags on Tuesday was amazing.
Hey, where are the photographs?
I want to see the photographs, Antoinette.
Okay, I will send it to you.
We actually have a video.
Mission Viejo, California in Orange County did the best.
Oh my God, they were in the windstorm, the rainstorm.
I was in Nevada, definitely cold and windy, and then friends, believe it or not, in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
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A long interview with that quote-unquote journalist Piers Morgan, but Ron DeSantis still won't make the official statement.
Is he running?
Is he not running?
Is he just half-pregnant?
What about the fact that West Point is now lecturing their cadet on pronouns?
The most prestigious military academy in the world.
What has America come to?
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House Oversight says they've got bank records showing a Chinese energy company paying three Biden family members through a third party.
What were they paid for?
Look, I'm just not going to respond to that from here.
Look, we have heard from House Republicans for years and years and years how the inaccuracies and lies when it comes to this issue And I don't even know where to begin to even answer that question because again it's been lies and lies and inaccuracy for the past couple years and I'm just not going to get into it from here.
Okay.
Why not?
Are you embarrassed?
Are you afraid?
Corinne Jean-Pierre?
Is the heat getting too hot in the kitchen?
Welcome, dear friends.
I'm Sebastian Gawker.
This is America First, the second hour of the show.
We will be joined later by the great Greg Jarrett for his incomparable analysis of what is happening in Manhattan, whether Alvin Bragg's case is collapsing.
In the meantime, I think I teased this just a moment ago.
From Breitbart.
From the great Christina Wong.
Waltz and Banks.
West Point cadets forced to participate in pronoun play.
Now I served in the British Army Reserves.
To me Sandhurst still retains a certain renommé As the preeminent military academy in the world.
Although back when I was in the army it was only a nine-month course.
It wasn't a college equivalent like West Point.
And for most people West Point probably is more famous.
But you won't believe what's happening there.
Two House Republican leaders are demanding answers from the West Point superintendent on a role-play exercise in which cadets were forced to participate focused on, quote, understanding and respecting the pronouns people prefer, in which they had to role-play having somebody else's pronouns.
Like if you're a Male cadet, you had to pretend to be a female.
And if you were heterosexual, you had to pretend to be pansexual, zeezer, trans, whatever it is, at a military academy.
What do we do in the face of all this?
How do we respond?
Let me give you an amazing example.
From academe.
I heard this yesterday and it's truly stunning.
It has to do with Texas and with the president of the Texas, West Texas A&M, who goes by the name of Wendler, President Wendler.
And he published a public letter concerning a drag queen event on his campus.
Listen to the genius of this man and learn.
West Texas A&M University will not host a drag show on campus.
It was advertised for March 31st, 2023 as an effort to raise money for the Trevor Project.
The non-profit organization focuses on suicide prevention, a noble cause in the LGBTQ community.
Any person considering self-harm for any reason is tragic.
My editorial note, the Trevor Project is also the NGO that... Oh, what's his name?
What is the cross-dressing, bald, mustachioed freak, Eric, who worked in Biden's Department of Energy?
Sam Britton.
Okay, thank you.
Sam Britton, the luggage thief, was also a big promoter and member of the Trevor Project.
Just a little footnote there.
Back to the President's letter.
I believe every human being is created in the image of God and therefore a person of dignity.
Being created in God's image is the basis of natural law.
Yeah, he's a bit of a philosopher.
James Madison and Thomas Jefferson, prisoners of the culture of their time as we are, declared the Creator's origin as the foundational fiber in the fabric of our nation as they breathed it into life.
Wow!
I want to meet this guy.
Does a drag show preserve a single thread of human dignity?
I think not.
As a performance exaggerating aspects of womanhood, sexuality, femininity, gender, drag shows stereotype women in cartoon-like extremes for the amusement of others and discriminate against womanhood.
Any event which diminishes an individual or group through such representation is wrong.
I registered a similar concern on campus when individuals debased Latinas regarding a Queen Senaria celebration.
Should I let rest misogynistic behavior portraying women as objects?
While I am not a woman, my best friend I have been married to for over half a century is.
I am also blessed to have daughters-in-law and granddaughters.
Demeaning any demeans all.
This is not an intellectual abstraction, but a stark reality.
West Texas endeavors to treat all people equally.
Drag shows are derisive, divisive, and demoralizing misogyny, no matter the stated intent.
Such conduct runs counter to the purpose of WT.
A person or group should not attempt to elevate itself or a cause by mocking another person or group.
As a university president, I would not support blackface performances on our campus, even if told the performance is a form of free speech or intended as humor.
It is wrong.
I do not support any show, performance, or artistic expression which denigrates others.
In this case, women.
For any reason.
WT intends to provide fair opportunities to all based upon academic performance.
Ideas, not ideology, are the coin of our realm.
A university campus charged by the state of Texas to treat each individual fairly should elevate students based on achievement and capability, performance in a word, without regard to group membership.
An implacable and exacting standard based on educational missions and service to all, sanctioned by the legislature, the governor, and numerous elected and appointed officials.
Our university community should live by the golden rule.
As a Christian, I personally learned this in the book of Matthew.
Quote, So in everything do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the law and the prophets.
Mocking or objectifying in any way members of any group based upon appearance, bias, or predisposition is unacceptable.
Forward-thinking women and men have worked together for nearly two centuries to eliminate sexism.
Women have fought valiantly seeking equality in the voting booth, the marketplace, and the court of public opinion.
No one should claim a right to contribute to women's suffering via a slapstick sideshow that erodes the worth of women.
When humor becomes harassment, it has gone too far.
Any reading of the U.S.
Equal Employment Opportunity Commission's purpose, coupled with common sense, affirms that acts of prejudice in the workplace and our campus is a workplace.
Even when not criminal, are harmful and wholly inappropriate.
No amount of fancy rhetorical footwork or legal wordsmithing eludes the fact that drag shows denigrate and demean women.
A harmless drag show?
Not possible.
I will not appear to condone the diminishment of any group at the expense of impertinent gestures toward another group for any reason, even when the law of the land appears to require it.
Supporting the Trevor Project is a good idea.
My recommendation is to skip the drag show and send the dough.
Offering respect Not Ridicule is the order of the day for fair play and is the West Texas way.
And equally important, it is the Texan way.
That is from the President, President of the University of West Texas and A&M, President Wendler.
What's the most important part of that and why is it so bloody genius?
Because he equates drag shows with blackface.
You're not allowed to do blackface.
Why?
Because it's demeaning to black people!
So is drag shows.
A drag show is demeaning to all real women.
It is a parody.
It is grotesque.
That's how you do it, guys.
That's how you take control of a narrative.
The trans movement.
The drag queen movement.
It's as bad as blackface.
Now take his example and spread the word.
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We'll be back in a moment with the one and only Greg Jarrett.
Welcome to President Wendler's office, Jeff.
- Yes.
Yeah, I'll do that now.
See if you can get him on, because that letter is bloody huge.
What's the college again?
Texas A&M West.
Texas West.
Texas West A&M.
I mean, how did nobody think of that before?
The drag queen, the drag shows are like blackface.
I mean, they're just going to come after him now.
Let's see how long.
You think he cares?
I don't think he cares, but you think the university's not going to try to do something?
It's Texas.
I know, but this stuff does happen even in red states, unfortunately.
I don't think you write a letter like that if you're afraid.
Again, I don't think he's afraid, but the board of trustees or whatever, who knows?
We'll wait and see.
- Let's see, we'll wait and see.
- All right, I'm gonna use... - Shift subpoena might be good with them.
Yeah, I was thinking Schiff, and also, um... I'm gonna use Senator Kennedy in a second.
Senator Kennedy, that was... Six.
Cut.
Oh yeah, cut six, okay.
Oh yeah, alright.
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Is he up?
Not yet, Geoff's calling him.
Oh, he's only bringing my phone, I left it on Guy's computer again.
Guy's bringing it in.
Stop taking my phone, Guy!
Want the mics on for Greg?
Uh, sure.
Alright.
Thank you.
No, I'm in a recording studio I'm in a recording studio voicing the audio version of my new book.
It's not fun.
The first time I did it, I thought, this is going to be real fun.
It's bloody hard work.
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There are some people who do this for a living.
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You mean like eight?
No, no, no.
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It's like, are you kidding me?
Hopefully I won't have that many corrections, but you never know.
Is this the Scopes trial book?
Yeah, Trial of the Century.
Okay, all right, Trial of the Century.
But the book, is the book out yet or not?
No, it comes out in May, so it's available online for pre-order.
Okay, good, all right.
Usual places, you know, Amazon, barnesandnoble.com.
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He's the author of The Witch Hunt, The Russia Hoax, so much more.
We'll talk about his new book in a moment.
He's Greg Jarrett.
Greg, welcome back to America First.
Sebastian, always good to hear your voice.
Nice to join you.
Can we do a little bit of comedy analysis?
I found a new stand-up comedian.
He goes by the name of Adam Schiff and this is part of his latest routine.
Cut to, play cut.
There was Kevin McCarthy saying, I'm not defending him, but let me defend him.
And more than just him defending him on that stage, he has directed the chair of the Judiciary Committee, Jim Jordan, to essentially investigate the Manhattan District Attorney.
Jordan and other Republican chairs have written to the DA demanding documents, demanding testimony.
They are acting like Donald Trump's criminal defense lawyers, except they also have the subpoena power, which makes them dangerous.
Greg, subpoena power in Congress.
It's dangerous, I guess, unless you're a Democrat chairman of the Intelligence Committee.
Yeah, he sort of forgot all the subpoenas that he issued as the head of the Intelligence Committee when he was in charge.
I mean, Adam Schiff, you know, half the time I just think he's a complete dope.
Then the other half of the time I realized that, no, He's just a evil, malevolent person, and his hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Look, if there is evidence that a district attorney has targeted a presidential candidate for purely political reasons, and because he doesn't like the person, hates the person, Then you have a DA who's interfering in a federal election, and Congress has a duty to investigate corrupt acts just like that.
Schiff doesn't like it?
Well, too bad for Schiff.
All right.
What are the mechanisms, Greg?
So it's pretty clear that Bragg decided not to prosecute this case several years ago.
Two of his team actually resigned in protest.
President Trump announces he's running and then he kind of reheats it, takes it out of the freezer.
I mean, that just seems patently political.
Is there any legal avenue to say, dude, you can't do that, you're a prosecutor, you're not a political campaign manager?
Well, I think if an indictment is rendered by the grand jury, which of course is spoon-fed all kinds of pablum from prosecutors and they basically mimic whatever they're told to do.
If an indictment is rendered, I mean, I think the first move is a motion to dismiss.
On several grounds.
First of all, the statute of limitations has run a long time ago.
And second of all, the law doesn't support this kind of Looney Tunes convoluted charge that was just dreamed up out of thin air.
What they're doing is taking a misdemeanor business records violation and supercharging it into a felony.
You know, they really can't do that for a couple of reasons.
They can't charge a felony under state law because it was a federal election.
Yeah.
So they could only file it under a federal campaign violation.
But wait a minute.
Bragg's a local prosecutor.
He can only bring charges under state law, not federal law.
So that would be another grounds to dismiss the case.
And, you know, the only problem is, you know, New York judges are liberal.
Right.
But if the judge doesn't grant the motion to dismiss, I guarantee you that Trump's lawyers will file an interlocutory appeal.
And, you know, the appellate courts are a lot smarter than the sitting judges in state court.
And they'll knock this case out.
Now, I read at the top of the show an hour ago this fascinating letter that blew up yesterday from Michael Cohen's then-attorney in 2018, where he's writing to the FEC stating, over his signature, that the payment to Stormy Daniels was made by my client Michael Cohen from his own money, had nothing to do with the Trump Organization or the Trump campaign, and it was not reimbursed.
Doesn't it, at this point, doesn't that letter, if it's real, collapse the whole case abovo from the get-go?
Oh, it certainly should, and it's not just that February letter.
But Cohen repeated the statement you just recited in April to a different lawyer, Bob Castello, who testified Monday before the grand jury.
So, you know, the grand juror jury is left wondering, wait, was Cohen lying back then in 2018?
Or is he lying now as he's telling a completely different story?
This is the problem when your star witness is an inveterate liar who actually went to prison in part for perjury.
You know, I mean, you'd have to be an idiot You have to put Michael Cohen on the stand if you're the prosecutor, which inexorably means that Alvin Bragg is an idiot.
We're going to keep you over for another segment.
We're going to talk about your latest project.
A few seconds left in this segment, Greg.
Your prediction right now as we see things, the cancellation of the grand jury yesterday, today and tomorrow.
Are they going to go through with this insanity?
What's your gut telling you right now?
Well, you know, Sean asked me the same question last night on Hannity, and my answer was, you know, at the beginning of the week it looked like a sure indictment.
Now I think it's about 50-50, so we'll wait and see.
He's a very wise man.
Didn't I just say that an hour ago?
Eric, I said 50-50.
I think I said 50-50, didn't I, Eric?
Yes, you did.
You must have heard me last night.
No, I don't watch Sean Hannity.
I was watching Newsmax, but I think we are both amazingly, you know, sagacious individuals.
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So how many words is the new book?
How big is it?
You know, I don't know how many words it is.
About 270 pages.
So where are you in the reading?
How far have you got?
I just finished literally 10 minutes ago.
I've gotten through all of it.
Wow, and you've still got your voice.
Well, I did it over four days.
I started on Monday.
So, you know, it's yeah, I'm basically at the point where I've lost my voice.
Have you done this before or not?
You know, the first two books, I only read the preface and the epilogue.
I mean, the second book was more than 500 pages.
I was not about to do that.
They hired a professional to do it.
So this is a first time all the way through and I hope it's the last time.
I was so pissed when I wrote my first book and my publisher said, no, no, no, we're not allowing you.
You're not a professional.
You can read the foreword and that's it.
I was like, have you heard my voice?
How dare you?
And then I did the second and the third book and I realized, yeah, this is like work.
It's hard enough to write the stinking thing.
Yeah, you know, I hate writing books.
Really?
Yeah, you know... I'm glad I'm not the only one.
It is a painful experience, worse than studying for and taking the bar exam.
It is this constant bloody sword of Damocles above your head.
Yeah, it is.
And you know, when you start having nightmares about it in the middle of the night...
Oh, that's funny.
That's funny.
You got a new book coming out at all?
I've had like four ideas I've pitched my publisher.
He loves them all and I just haven't had the wherewithal to sit down and do them.
It's like daily radio show, weekly TV show.
I just finished a whole new season of a completely different TV show I developed.
I filmed, you know, 12 episodes.
So I guess now I can sit down and think about a book.
Really?
Yeah.
When do I get to see the TV show?
Oh, I'll send you a teaser.
If you keep it to yourself, I'll send you the two-minute sizzle.
I think you'll love it.
Yeah, I'd love to see that.
Sounds good.
But I think, you know, it's this sad thing that, you know, you have to write books, you know, for that impact, for that last... I don't know.
I mean, you're writing books, so I guess you agree, right?
Well, you know, I felt compelled to write the first two books because they were current events books.
They were important at the time.
And frankly, in retrospect, they're still important because unlike the rest of the media, I got it right, they got it wrong.
And of course, they won Pulitzer Prizes for getting it wrong, and I didn't.
But this was a passion because it's, you know, a historical trial.
That truly was the trial of the century that, you know, established the bedrock principles upon which Americans cherish today.
Yep.
We will discuss now.
Stand by.
You said you wanted to use cut six here?
I will tee up cut six, yeah.
Alrighty.
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Oh, we're confirmed for Bannon.
Yeah, I texted this guy waiting to hear back.
Okay.
Don't forget, I have to do bowling as well.
So you'll just do both in the studio.
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We are back with the incomparable Greg Jarrett who has just spent the last four days in a recording studio.
He's not releasing a new album.
He'll explain what he's been doing in a moment.
But first I have to play a cut to you because I want to combine your legal analysis with your political analysis.
This is Senator John Kennedy during a hearing Tell me how you analyze a Brady motion.
How I analyze a Brady motion?
Biden administration.
Somebody called Cato Cruz wants to be a federal judge.
And the senator just had a very simple question.
Cut six.
Tell me how you analyze a Brady motion.
How I analyze a Brady motion?
Yes.
Senator, in my four and a half years on the bench, I don't believe I've had the occasion to address a Brady motion in my career.
Do you know what a Brady motion is?
Senator, in my time on the bench, I've not had occasion to address that, and so it's not coming to mind at the moment what a Brady motion is.
Do you recall the U.S.
Supreme Court case Brady v. Maryland?
I do recall the name of the case, Senator, yes.
And what did it hold?
I believe that the Brady case involves something regarding the Second Amendment.
I have not had occasion to address that.
If that issue were to come before me, I would certainly analyze that Supreme Court precedent and apply it as I would need to to the facts in front of me.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Now, I'm no legal scholar, but even I know that it has nothing to do with the Brady Handgun Control Organization.
It is the requirement for prosecutors to give any exculpatory information to the defense team.
I've got a theory, Greg.
Tell me if it sounds right to you.
The left is the left.
They're ideologically a hive.
But they're also morons.
In the last 20 years they have become collective imbeciles.
The idea that somebody who doesn't know what the Brady word means with regards to the judiciary, that's just an idiot.
Yeah, I would thoroughly agree with you.
It appears that Joe Biden only cares about one thing, checking a box.
Forget about merit.
Forget about knowledge or competency.
Look at all of his picks for just about everything, including his cabinet.
It's all about, you know, identity, politics, and not about people who are experienced and competent and would do a good job.
It's based on things like your gender identity, the color of your skin, your heritage, that sort of thing.
You know, and I think as a result, you get people like Pete Buttigieg, who has utterly mangled the Department of Transportation, and Americans have suffered as a consequence.
And, you know, the clip you play, this guy should not be on the bench anywhere except, you know, maybe sitting second string on a pickup basketball bench.
Moron in law school first year knows quite well the famous Brady case.
And the fact that he thinks it's about guns is just unbelievable.
Right, we've got a minute left.
Tell us what you've been doing for the last four days, Greg Jarrett.
Yeah, I've been recording the audio version of my new book, which comes out very soon.
It's available for pre-order online, the usual places.
It's called The Trial of the Century.
It's about the famous Scopes Monkey Trial.
The first trial, it was broadcast live on radio to a riveted nationwide audience.
Creationism versus evolution.
This titanic battle between my idol Clarence Darrow, the greatest trial lawyer who ever lived, versus William Jennings Bryan.
And it established The bedrock principles of free speech and academic autonomy that we rely on today, without that trial and Darrow's efforts, it might be a very different America right now.
The trial of the century.
Perfectly timed, given the assaults on the First Amendment every single day.
It's the trial of the century.
You can pre-order it right now.
He's just finished recording the audio book.
I think I'm going to have to go for the audible audio book.
In the meantime, follow him at gregjarrett and thegregjarrett.com.
I've just posted his latest article on my Twitter feed.
Thank you, Greg.
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Why?
Oh, I'm sorry.
Mike's on.
He's on.
He's... Oh, I meant to say he's gone.
He's off.
Alright, title for that one?
Can we separate them?
Let's post them separately.
Yeah.
Second one, Biden nominates another moron.
All right.
And the first one, what should we call it?
It's 50-50 whether, you can block, it's 50-50 whether President Trump is charged.
All right.
So what have we done?
We've done West Point.
We need to talk about Biden popularity.
Chris's podcast wasn't up yet.
Do you want me to just get it tomorrow?
Huh?
Chris's podcast?
Yeah, yeah, get it tomorrow.
That's fine.
Usually it takes till the afternoon or early evening, right?
I think it's he's replayed a lot in the afternoon.
I think that's why.
What do you mean?
You mean that it would play later?
In other cities, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, I didn't even mention Newsmax.
Gotta mention Newsmax.
Talk about that, yeah.
Gotta mention the poll.
PhD.
PhD!
Yeah, Alex keeping us all on our toes.
90 seconds You're trying to confuse me with line one Jeff Thank you.
He's fielding another caller.
Yeah, Bannon's people say they'll talk TikTok China either fight.
Bannon's people!
Said either 515 or 530.
I told him we'd prefer 515.
It's gotta be 515.
It's gotta be 515.
I told him you'd make me up another one at 5.45. 50 seconds. 50 seconds. 50 seconds.
50 seconds.
This is President Trump, and Sebastian is really a friend of mine.
He's a great guy.
He's been with me from the beginning.
Listen to him.
We all learn.
A liner from President Trump with the Top Cat music going in the background.
That's absolutely perfect.
I love it.
Thank you, Alex.
We're going to go to calls.
Phil's been waiting a long time.
David, Mike, we're going to get to you.
But I don't know where Jeff finds these.
I presume, Jeff, Cut 7 isn't like a parody or comedy skit, right?
No, I think she's pretty serious.
I like it.
All right.
This is a young woman.
Who thinks she's not a woman.
Play cut.
cut.
My name is Horace and I'm a red-tailed hawk.
In our world I do have the body of a hawk but while fronting I consider myself a therian because I am in a human body but my identity is still a hawk.
Not all animal alters will identify this way and I am in fact the only animal alter in our system who does identify this way.
I am doing my best to come to terms with living in a human body.
Do you think she's fun at parties Jeff?
She kind of talks like a radio host and podcaster, we know.
You mean a boring podcast host, right?
Yes.
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Oh my gosh, that is frightening.
I'm an altar.
I am sadly living in a human body, but I'm a red-tailed hawk.
No, you're a lunatic.
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Phil has been waiting so long, he's got an idea for a t-shirt.
Phil, what's the idea?
Yeah, I'll tell you.
Dr. G, what a great show.
I know you're busy, but my idea was a Ukrainian flag, and on top of that, guns don't kill people, communists do.
Ooh, I like that.
I like that.
Guns don't kill people.
There's only one problem with that, Phil.
I think, I'll have to check his website, I think Chris Platt has a t-shirt, Phil, that says, guns don't kill people, Democrats do.
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Thank you, Philip.
Thank you for your patience.
Nicely, nicely done.
Let's go to David, California, line one.
Oh, thanks, Sebastian, for taking my call.
You know, considering the world condition and the enemies that United States has around the world, and all the gushing over DeSantis, I have nothing against DeSantis.
But he lacks the one thing, and this really needs to be talked about, in my opinion.
Trump has the one thing that the census doesn't have and that's experience.
I want to vote for Trump because I feel, I will feel safe when the enemies of the United States from foreign countries point rifles at us.
This man, not only has he a champion, but he has the experience and it's very little talked about.
I mean, what experience does the census have? - Well, you know, five and a half years in Congress when nobody knew he was there and he did nothing. - Exactly.
And the other thing that's, you know, on the whole foreign policy thing, did you watch what happened to him in the last 72 hours?
First he makes this comment about, you know, we don't care about Ukraine.
And then when he feels the heat, he has to backpedal kind of halfway and say, yeah, it's kind of important, but we shouldn't get carried away.
When has President Trump backpedaled on an issue?
He makes a decision.
And he says, OK, this is what I believe.
When an individual does a backpedal on a big thing like war in Europe, that doesn't make you feel very confident, David, does it?
I agree.
Completely, I agree.
But see, he's hanging out with the Bushes.
He's hanging out with people that are double-minded.
Unfortunately for him, if he keeps up doing what he's doing, he'll lose.
He'll lose.
Well, he's in trouble already.
It's between 30 and 40 points behind President Trump.
And if Alvin Bragg goes ahead with his lunacy, You know he's going to be anointed by the left as the candidate.
It's like Elon Musk said, he will be the 47th President of the United States.
Thank you, David.
Great call.
Mike, in detroit.
Yeah, you know, in 2016 I read an article about the Democrats, you know, what their strategy was going to be, of course, to dehumanize, denigrate and demonize their enemies.
It's called the Alinsky way, Mike.
Yeah, it is.
It's the rules for radicals.
One of the rules for radicals is you hold your enemies up to their highest standard of behavior, and if you can, you get them bent over backwards, to be fair to you, and then you lie, cheat, and steal.
You triangulate, you isolate, you destroy.
Yeah, and this is what they've been trying to do because they have no policies at work.
It's like, please don't wreck our economy and it'd be nice if you didn't surgically mutilate our children.
That would be a nice, you know, a nice step forward there, you know.
But I had one thing about the New Green Deal when it comes to Greta.
Go ahead.
Hang on, I thought she said the world was going to end this year.
What happened to that tweet?
Eric, did she delete that tweet?
That's a little bit embarrassing though.
She sure did delete it five years later.
Mike, why did she do that?
Well, you know, it's not going to come until she comes out as an eco-binary cis trans, you know.
I mean, I hate to say that, but, you know, this is the road she's going down if she wants to keep up.
Yeah, it's to be trendy.
No, no, no.
Mike, how could you?
You're so sexist.
It's not eco-binary trans.
She's going to have to come out as eco-binary trans and also a red-tailed hawk, right?
Yeah, I don't know anything about birds.
Yeah, but she's got to be like trans species like that lady we just played from TikTok.
Nice call.
Thank you, Mike.
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My mom always says coughs can last for weeks.
They're the last thing to go every time.
It's such a pig.
It really is annoying.
Because then everyone else is going to be like, oh, are you sick?
Are you sick?
Like, no, it's just that lingering cough that won't go away for about five weeks.
Yeah.
So annoying.
All right, so what have we not done?
We've done the hawk.
By the way, Omega Man in the chat says, DeSantis is just Mike Pence with a personality.
Woo!
Ouch!
That's a little harsh.
That was good.
No, I think it's fair.
But does he really have a personality?
More than Pence!
Yeah, but still.
I mean, he's not exactly... The word charismatic doesn't jump out at you when you think of Ron DeSantis.
Would you want to hang out at a barbecue with DeSantis?
Oh God, no.
Can you imagine how much fun it is with Donald Trump?
Oh my goodness, wanna share, like, a Diet Coke with Donald Trump?
Yeah, absolutely.
And the more I listen to DeSantis, the more I realize his voice is really grating.
Like, I'm sorry it is.
On the more, like, higher scale for a man's voice.
Um, yeah, we played- Gowdy, gotta do Gowdy.
And I want, um, I want your analysis, Mr. G, and Mr. Eric.
Alright, that's- oh yeah, cut three.
Three, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Ugh.
Thank you.
Where did those two hours go?
Thirty.
What are you drinking, Mr. G?
What are you drinking, Mr. G?
What are you drinking, Mr. G?
America first.
So you're thinking about the next presidential election.
Who should the conservatives go for?
Who do you rely upon?
Who gives you the most trenchant, up-to-date, perspicacious analysis?
Well, of course.
It's Trey Gowdy.
Cut three.
Senator Tim Scott, there's an article about him today in Politico in which he is going to be having a big fundraiser and then making stops in Iowa and New Hampshire.
Not a declared presidential candidate, but do you think he's going to make a go for it?
I hope he does, Dana, and I'll tell you the same thing I tell Tim.
I think he is good for our country.
Whether he wins or not is secondary to me.
I think all of us would benefit from hearing his story, his optimism, his hopefulness.
I mean, he is an unusual elected official.
He is exactly in private what you see publicly.
He is so, I mean, he balances the pain of our country's past with the promise of today, the potential of tomorrow.
He's an unusual politician, but is he as unusual as your haircut?
Mr. G, Tim Scott, we've got our answer.
Gowdy has spoken.
Mr. Benghazi has spoken.
And I hope he uses phrases like he does.
The promise of today, the potential of tomorrow.
Those are these political phrases that mean absolutely nothing.
I thought Trump put an end to that too, by the way.
Yeah, I did too, but what does that mean?
The woes of yesterday?
Why?
Because he's black?
And what has Tim Scott even done?
He didn't even win election.
He was actually appointed the first time he was the senator.
Wow.
Eric, Tim Scott, presidential hopeful, right up there with DJ T and DeSantis.
I just think, he describes him as an unusual politician.
I think he's the most usual politician ever.
He's so uninteresting.
When I think of, like, senators who stand out, like Senator Kennedy or Rand Paul, Tim Scott is near the bottom of my list.
And the one thing too, he says like, oh, Tim Scott's great because he's just the same way private as he is publicly.
I'm pretty sure you have said, if anyone fits that description, it's President Trump.
I gotta ask you, Mr. G, why would Gowdy, who I detest as an utter fake, why would he even... Tim Scott, why would he even say that on Fox?
I was wondering too.
Maybe it's the South Carolina connection.
That's the only thing I can think of.
Oh, do you think Paul Ryan gave him a script to read?
Probably.
I mean, Tim Scott hasn't really been talked about very much lately in the last month about running for president.
It's pathetic.
Utterly pathetic.
Gowdy, you betrayed the American people.
When you were running that Benghazi hearing, you had Hillary in front of you for 13 hours, and you provided us Zip, some famous prosecutor you were.
You're a disgrace to the oath of office and to the conservative values you said you espoused.
You're nothing.
You're a non-entity.
You are the example of the establishment.
I'm Sebastian Gawker.
I'm just ventilating a little bit.
I'm just getting it out there.
It's good to be back in studio.
Thanks again to Jim Hansen for covering off yesterday while I was in Fort Bragg.
We are going to have a very special guest next to analyze all the insanity of what is happening with President Trump, the left, Alvin Bragg, and so much more.
He's a rather iconoclastic character.
He goes by the nom de plume, or the nom de guerre, or razor fist.
Stay with us here, America First.
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Ben Thede Music by Ben Thede It's gone on forever with Russia, Russia, Russia, and Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, and the Mueller hoax.
It's an absolute disgrace what's going on.
They even spied on my campaign.
And remember this, with all of the work that they did on Mueller, no collusion.
That's what the answer was, was all no collusion.
Whether it's the Mar-a-Lago raid or the unselect committee hoax, the perfect Georgia phone call, it was absolutely perfect.
Or the stormy horseface Daniels extortion plot.
They're all sick.
And it's fake news.
Our enemies are desperate to stop us because they know that we are the only ones who can stop them.
And they know it very strongly.
And they're looking at the polls where, not me, but we are up by so much.
They can't even believe it.
We won twice, and now we've got to win a third time.
They know that we can defeat them.
They know that we will defeat them.
But they're not coming after me.
They're coming after you.
I'm just standing in their way, and I always will stand in their way.
Thank you very much.
45th President of the United States thinks it's not about him.
Alvin Bragg may want to arrest him, but it's about you.
It's about his supporters.
It's about the 73 million Americans that voted for him to have a second term.
Is that in fact the case?
What should we expect?
Is the Republic salvageable?
Let's talk to a man who I think may have an opinion or two.
You know him as Razorfist.
He's one of my favorite content providers on that.
Yeah.
Couldn't be happier to be back.
Anything going on?
Anything at all?
The channel is called Rageaholic.
Razor Fist, welcome back to America First.
Couldn't be happier to be back.
Anything going on?
Anything at all?
I don't know.
We could talk about macrame, your favorite jigsaw puzzles.
Right.
Where should we start?
We're going to talk about our mutual paper mache hobby. - Boy, it is a good thing the New York D.A.
could tear himself away from the 23% increase in violent crime year over year to tackle the truly pressing issues like monetary settlements to age-down porn stars.
That fall outside the statute of limitations, am I right?
Yeah, I was just looking at the figures, the official figures for the Metropolitan Police Department of the swamp that I live in, Washington, D.C.
67% of charges were not prosecuted razor-fist.
In the nation's capital, 67% of people who were arrested weren't charged with anything.
That's great, isn't it?
Or as Chicago calls it, a slow weekend.
Good times!
The thing that always bugs me, am I the only one eminently skeptical of the claim to begin with?
I understand, I hear people on the right say they believe Trump and her did the deed, even as they correctly argue it's ultimately irrelevant, and I'm like, You do?
So wait, let me set the scene.
You're a billionaire, you have your pick of the porn litter, with entire generations of actresses ending their careers as high-class escorts on the east coast of the country.
You go for the 38-year-old who looks like a 58-year-old who's already aged out of her industry and lives on the opposite side of the country?
Right?
And did I mention, too, that there was another woman who works for the same production company as Stormy Daniels, who accused Trump of the same thing at the same time, and that production company, Wicked Pictures, just coincidentally donates decuman sums of cash to the California Democratic Party.
Like, look, we're all fallen creatures.
I believe Trump, like any other man, possesses the capacity for infidelity.
But I can't be the only one who finds that fishier than Stormy Daniels' bathwater.
Well, I wasn't going to go there, but since you opened that fetid can of worms, I'll say one thing that kind of struck me from just that little clip we opened with, which was the president's reaction to the news that he was going to be arrested this week.
It didn't happen yesterday, on Tuesday, but allegedly New York police are talking to the Secret Service, so it could happen any day.
It could happen tomorrow.
It could happen Friday.
Tell me if I'm wrong.
Look, I'm a guy.
I'm happily married now for 26 years.
But no woman I've been associated with prior to my marriage, any of my girlfriends or my trysts, none of them would I publicly, in front of millions, call a horse face.
Because I think it would look bad on me.
Therefore, I'm not really sure he had even a tryst with her because I know the president and I think he wouldn't want to be associated with anybody who he thinks is ugly.
Am I crazy?
Raise a fist.
What was your first clue?
Was it the first judgment that was overturned against her?
The second?
The third?
Or the fourth?
Crying out loud.
I don't understand what the message is here.
Is it like a slap on the wrist?
Silly Trump!
You can't pay hush money!
That's Hunter Biden's job!
Seriously, what is the narrative here from the New York DA?
I don't understand this.
Well, look, we've had numerous legal experts.
We've had the former U.S.
Attorney for Washington, D.C., a good friend of mine, Joe DeGeneva, on the show on Monday.
And as far as we know, everybody keeps saying, the leftists keep saying, you don't know what the grand jury has.
You don't know what the other witnesses are.
What we do know is the following.
It's not hush money to a porn star.
It's an NDA.
I'm not a porn star, but I signed an NDA with the Trump Organization in 2015 because I started advising President Trump and they didn't want me to give my security papers on, I don't know, well I can tell you the topics I wrote for him.
briefing papers on North Korea, on ISIS, on Russia.
They said, well, that belongs to us, so you sign an NDA and you can't, you know, publish those tomorrow as an article.
I said, fine, here you go.
Now, that's an NDA.
So that's legal.
There are millions of NDAs being signed right now across the planet.
And they want, the arguments so far are that Um, that was a benefit to the president to shut her up, therefore he should have paid taxes on it.
So they want to go- Even though he wasn't president at the time!
Right, and they want to go for tax evasion because a billionaire really wants to avoid You know, paying $27,000 worth of tax on an NDA.
And then the other one, which is incredible, is that, well, it's actually connected to the election and it's some kind of election benefit.
I'm sorry, Reyes, are these people just insane?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I hadn't even heard of this DA until this week.
Have you seen the size of this man?
I'd ask if he's heard of the Statute of Limitations, but I think he knows what they taste like, for crying out loud.
Here in Arizona, we have a state bar.
Apparently, in New York, all they have is Mr. Good Bar.
I don't know.
But either way, I don't understand.
The narrative appears to be, it might be a campaign... I've heard this, that it might fall under campaign finance?
What in the world?
I'm just saying, I think...
For crying out loud, you can see the media are just prepared to pounce, no matter what happens.
Because look at it from their perspective, it's ratings either way.
Right?
No matter what happens, it works out for them.
But when it comes to the left and Soros and the people funding the likes of Alvin Bragg, look, I'm rational.
That's my problem.
And so the explanation I've come up with, or the little bon mot, is that these people are now hostages to their ideology.
If you look at Rasmussen yesterday, what was it on Tuesday?
Rasmussen has President Trump at 52%.
He hasn't been at 50% since before January the 6th.
He's had a massive bump.
So if you're the left, you're actually helping them out.
So for me, this is a-strategic.
It's the opposite of what the left should be doing.
But they can't help themselves.
Does that sound right?
Are they so hostages to their own extremism?
I think so.
I think there's a little bit of self-interest, like I alluded to earlier, no matter what happens.
I mean, look, we were talking about, quote-unquote, hush money.
People pay out money to, you know, for settlements or whatever.
On many, many occasions, when they're celebrities.
Because the thing is, when you're a celebrity, especially one the magnitude of Donald Trump, even before he was president, you're constantly being falsely accused of things.
Constantly.
Because, especially if you start settling, people hear that you settle.
And now they want a payday.
Right?
I did a three-part series on the accusations around Michael Jackson.
I personally do not believe them.
And I think they're very instructive with cases like this.
And interestingly enough, Some of the same names are involved in the attempted extortion of Michael Jackson.
Gloria Allred, for example, was all over the Stormy Daniels and the other actress.
Jessica Drake, that whole situation.
She was all up in that.
That, to me, More red flags than a Chinese military funeral.
Right there.
Anytime Gloria Allred shows up, no thank you.
Exactly.
Exactly right.
You know what the media want.
You know what the media want.
I mean, come on, let's not kid ourselves.
They want to see the perp walk.
That's all it is.
They want him in cuffs.
They want him at the central booking, being fingerprinted.
That's what they want.
Which, by the way, probably will make him more sympathetic than he's ever been to those who understand the justice system is broken.
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Razor, I don't know if you have any special training in psychology, psychiatry.
You know the left.
I need your assistance.
For some reason, you know, I'm a Catholic.
Maybe it's my Early Purgatory while I'm here on Earth, but I do these things called Twitter Spaces and I did one the day before yesterday where...
Well, there were some leftists on the Twitter space.
One of them, a former colleague of mine, a former congressman called Joe Walsh, who is, I think, Trump Derangement Syndrome patient zero.
But there were others as well, the Krasensteins and so forth.
And they actually, in front of an audience of about 8,000 people on this Twitter space, They actually said, without laughing, that President Trump has never been persecuted.
He is a proven criminal.
And this Alvin Bragg action is utterly above board.
I just don't know, do these people believe what they think?
When I listed off, in just a few seconds, Operation Crossfire Hurricane, Muller Probe, Impeachment 1, Impeachment 2, Quid Pro Quo, the January 6th Committee, Southern District of New York, it was as if I might have been speaking ancient Greek.
None of it had any relevance.
Do these people not live in a universe of facts, my friend?
Facts, what's that?
I honestly, I think what it really is, is they have just, in the case of some of these people, in fact, a funny anecdote, I was invited to be on Joe Walsh's radio program just before he made the heel turn.
No, really?
Just before he went anti-Trump?
Yes, if you remember, he was Adamant anti-BLM.
He was a trumper.
He was, remember?
Very briefly.
Oh yeah, no, and he actually still hasn't deleted the tweet.
I actually told him yesterday live on this thing.
Hey, hey, Walsh, why did you tweet out that Obama's a Muslim?
I mean, he was hardcore!
He still, he hasn't deleted the tweet!
Yeah, well, I left him at the altar.
I didn't wind up going on that radio show for whatever reason.
I forget why.
Scheduling conflict.
Dodged a bullet.
I don't know who dodged the bullet harder, him or me.
So I'm not sure what happened there.
I can confirm, though, because it was a connection made through a programming director, that if you cut him a check, he'll say almost anything.
Interesting.
I don't think it's an ideological thing in his case.
The media, we know how they're gonna spit it, for crying out loud.
Who wouldn't trust a media that turned a slow walk down a slippery ramp on a rainy day in slippery shoes into a remote Alzheimer's diagnosis?
Yeah.
Who wouldn't trust them to impartially cover the Donald Trump perp walk?
If I'm Don, I'm steering into it.
I'm crip-walking into that courthouse.
I say, do the Steve Martin, SNL, King Tut dance.
It's all a sideshow.
Might as well make it entertaining, you know what I mean?
Do you think... See, the thing that I don't understand is They actually think he's a criminal, or they say he's a criminal.
And the weird thing is that before he came down the escalators...
They love this guy.
I mean, you know, he was hosting SNL.
He was, you know, I want to be on his program.
I want to be on The Apprentice.
We've got to have him cameo in Home Alone 2.
It just demonstrates the rank hypocrisy that the person they think literally is the reincarnation of Hitler, but for an announcement after coming down an escalator, they love the guy.
And even that characterization clashes with the public record.
A lot of people don't know this.
It's certainly been effectively memory hold, but in 2000 he almost ran on the reform ticket.
The one that wound up being Pat Buchanan instead.
And he didn't run on that ticket because David Duke started associating with it.
And some other, like, bar, like, genuine Genuine far right.
You want to talk white nationalists, you know, some of these people come with German subtitles.
And Donald Trump said as much when he said, I'm not going to run the reform ticket because I, this is, and this is a direct quote from Donald Trump.
It now includes people like David Dukes and this is not company I wish to keep.
Unquote.
Like this is his quote of why he didn't run in 2000 on the reform ticket.
And I think he turned back to a Democrat briefly after that.
I could be wrong on the chronology there, but I know at one point he was a Democrat.
Now?
Suddenly?
You know what I mean?
He's Hitler with red hair?
What is this?
What?
This is how you know it's silly.
They were taking his money five years ago.
Right, right.
No, they were.
And that, what you just told about Duke and everything else, that has been very, very effectively memory hold.
He's sitting there, black and white, in a very natty black and white t-shirt.
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All right, Razor, you recently did a video on DeSantis, Vice, the Don.
Let's have a little reminder of what the governor of Florida had to say on Monday about the impending arrest of the 45th president.
You're talking about this situation with, and look, I don't know what goes into paying hush money to a porn star to secure silence over some type of alleged affair.
I just, I can't speak to that.
But what I can speak to is that if you have a prosecutor who is ignoring crimes happening every single day in his jurisdiction, and he chooses to go back many, many years ago to try to use something about porn star hush money payments, you know, that's an example of pursuing a political agenda and weaponizing the office.
And I think that that's fundamentally wrong.
Well, brave words.
It's fundamentally wrong.
He said nothing over the weekend.
On Monday, he didn't give a statement.
He responded to a question from a journalist.
And not once, but twice, he had to put that little dig in.
Hush money for a porn star.
Your reaction to the governor of the state in which the 45th president resides, who, by the way, is a former jag in the Navy?
Yeah, you don't think he maybe saw the, was it Rasmussen or one of the Quinnipiac polls that had him a couple of points down to Trump in the Republican primary in his own state this last week, maybe?
That was published shortly before he finally made a statement.
So yeah, I think that probably had a little bit of something to do with it.
It just, to me, more than anything, came across like Sometimes Ron DeSantis can come across at his best like the adult in the room.
Other times, he comes across as painfully politician.
You know what I mean?
And there's a reason that when politicians ingest Viagra, they get taller.
You know what I mean?
There's a reason for that.
And Ron DeSantis at his worst reminds you of that.
Most of the time, fortunately, he doesn't come off that way.
But the digs I didn't care for and the limp-wristed sort of I appreciate that he got rid of a Soros DA.
I wish we could do that in my home state.
There's certainly a few Soros-appointed officials, like our local sheriff, that I wouldn't mind getting rid of.
But I appreciate that he's done that.
But at the end of the day, I thought it was very limp-wristed, honestly, in response to that.
To a pretty direct question, too.
Yeah, limp wristed and also churlish.
I think the, you know, the repeated digs were really churlish.
And this is again, I mean, you are a very keen observer of politics.
It's not brain surgery.
If he'd stood up there and said, this is an affront to rule of law and just said nothing else, wouldn't he have looked like a thousand percent better, Razor?
Well, you know what I think was lost in the whole thing is, he's not talking about his political opponent.
He's not talking about the former president.
He's talking about a Florida resident.
Yes!
He's talking about one of his constituents, for Christ's sake.
I would hope that he would feel a little more indignation if this were happening to his average voter.
Look, I understand Trump's gotten some digs in at him.
Him getting the digs in, it's a little bit catty, but okay.
Trump fired a few shots his way.
Fair enough.
But at the end of the day, this is one of your own state's residents that they are actually reaching out and grabbing in order to Basically affect a pure political prosecution.
That's what this is.
It's not the first time it's happened.
This happened to... I just mentioned the sheriff!
Sheriff Arpaio, who was pardoned by President Trump.
Arpaio's prosecution, they wasted 10 years and I can only assume millions of taxpayer dollars looking into Sheriff Arpaio.
They turned everything upside down and they wound up having to settle for misdemeanor contempt of court because he wouldn't stop doing the thing that they failed to prove he ever did to begin with.
My issue isn't getting digs in in general.
I mean, you know, they're all big boys, but the question is timing.
You don't get digs in against somebody whose wife has just been diagnosed with cancer, and you don't do it with a guy who's about to be arrested for political purposes.
It's timing.
A lack of capacity to look at yourself from the outside that is, well, as you said, painfully a politician.
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All right, so here's the big... You've done some amazing, amazing videos.
I mean, I love your culture stuff, but for me, when you dig into the political stuff and the historic stuff, it's really, you know, that's when you hit pay dirt, especially that recent one.
Was it recent?
I think it was an older one that you did about... It was a couple of weeks ago.
No, the Abraham Lincoln one.
I'm thinking about the Abraham Lincoln one.
Oh yeah, that was about a month ago.
Yeah, that was really, as an immigrant to this country who's been, you know, spun a certain thing about the Great Emancipator, that was quite, quite an enlightening video and I recommend it to all of you.
Let's use that as a jumping off point because you called him a dictator.
What are we witnessing in America right now?
Because it's really weird for me, raise a fist, that I come to this nation as an immigrant who's been naturalized, who's worked in the White House, who's born and raised in the mother of democracies, the home of the Magna Carta, but whose parents escaped a communist regime whose father was actually liberated by freedom fighters from a political prison.
I'm at a point where I have to admit things like America has political prisoners.
You know, I've had the family members of the January 6th who have been in prison for two years without an arraignment.
And I look at the idea that a man who's not only a former president who, to use a British term, is the current leader of the opposition, is about to be arrested on a trumped-up charge that even if it were true would be a misdemeanor slap on the wrist and a fine.
Am I overstating the case?
Or are we at risk of losing the republic to those who think that the mechanisms of the state are there for political targeting of their adversaries?
It's true.
And I think it's a fundamental, it's an inversion of the philosophy upon which the country was founded.
The reason I made that Abraham Lincoln video wasn't because I harbor any kind of grudge against Abraham Lincoln.
It was because Abraham Lincoln is one of the fathers of a belief that the government is ruling from the top down and lording over the states and that the states, in fact, Lincoln literally argued this, the states were created by the Union.
Historically, that's absurd.
When England finally surrendered, they acknowledged each individual state by name as sovereign separate nations, right?
And then they formed a union later on.
This is really sort of, sadly, it's interesting you bring that up.
It's apropos to the point.
Biden is a believer in this as well, and many of his followers, unfortunately, are.
This belief that ultimately the government, the federal government, is what gives us our rights.
Understand this.
I love the Second Amendment.
The Second Amendment doesn't give me my firearms rights.
These are acknowledgments of what the federal government must allow us to do.
It's a misunderstanding, really, of what The actual structure of the country is supposed to be.
The states can do whatever they want.
It's the federal government that has a short list of things they're allowed to do, right?
This is really how it was supposed to be.
And if it's not enumerated, they're not allowed to do it.
Exactly.
And this is how you wind up with political prisoners.
Again, you mentioned Abraham Lincoln, who suspended habeas corpus, but at least he suspended habeas corpus before arresting people without charge or trial, right?
These people have now been in prison, some of whom not arraigned for long periods of time, weren't even given a charge.
And now we know, because Tucker released some of the footage of the January 6th stuff, which some of which we'd already seen on the day, by the way, it was just censored after the fact, that one of the only guys, the so-called shaman, who's actually from my neck of the woods, incidentally, who was actually charged with insurrection, He actually had a little police tour guide there.
The guy was walking him through.
I don't know about you, but I have never heard of an insurrection where there's a policeman tour guide calmly walking you through the facility.
Well, not only that, the guy, the police officer, actually walks Chansley through a gaggle of eight other officers who just like...
I mean, just let him walk by them, because that's what you do with criminals and insurrectionists, correct?
No kidding!
To me, he should be immediately released and the prosecutor from the DOJ that nailed him should take his place.
That's my personal opinion.
And also, like, there's still video footage that we saw on the day that hasn't been released.
Tucker did not release that much.
No.
Right?
And there's stuff that I remember seeing on the day, like before.
We've seen the footage of Pelosi evacuating the chamber and, you know, acting all panicked.
Actually, she doesn't seem panicked.
That's the hilarious part about it.
It's like she's on an evening stroll.
But there was actually footage from just before when she evacuated where she's screaming something.
You can't make out what it is, but she's screaming something and indicating to the door.
And the officer we later learn was Michael Byrd, who winds up murdering Ashley Babbitt, walks to the door.
I would love to know what she said.
I'd love to know what that was!
But that footage disappeared after the day that it popped up.
I remember retweeting it and commenting on it and all of that.
After Periscope went away and the sensorious Cyclone touched down, a lot of that stuff unfortunately went away.
That really should be released.
Do you agree with those who surmise that Tucker is now being censored after what Schumer and McConnell said?
Probably in-house by Fox News.
I mean, knowing what that organization is really all about behind closed doors, absolutely.
I mean, come on.
People like Michael Savage, lots of people have been calling out Fox News for years and years and years.
Yeah, yeah.
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All right, couple of questions left for you, Razor, and then I'll let you announce your big new project, and then we will release you.
First things first, how did we get here?
...that the political entity, let's just say collectively the amorphous blob that is the left...
Fifty years ago, we're anti-establishment, anti-the-man, dissent was the highest form of patriotism, and now they're massive fans of the FBI, massive fans of the politicization and weaponization of the intelligence and law enforcement community.
Is it really the Frankfurt School and the Long March of the institutions?
Where is that key center of gravity where everything turned into bizarro world?
I think the real fulcrum point in the early part of the 20th century is Antonio Gramsci.
I think he's an important figure in that he's sort of the guy who realizes that all of the gobbledygook about that Marx spun and even Lenin to a degree about, oh, that the capitalism will ultimately collapse on itself.
It'll have to and the workers will rise up was just a bunch of hokum.
And at the end of the day, it was going to have to be basically As long as there were bread and circuses, as long as there was anything else to busy yourself with, no one would become a Marxist.
So basically, his idea was, well, then you have to keep people constantly engaged politically.
They have to constantly be outraged politically.
I call it political fight or flight, right?
That's really what it is.
They're making it more about who you are and less about what you believe.
Because if you can now personalize the politics, I am an X. I belong to a Y. I mean, it's kind of telling that it's LGBT.
It's practically the entire alphabet now.
They're literally assigning people letters.
I used to say it was corralling people, but it's more like assigning them designations so that they can feel reflexive outrage whenever their particular clan is attacked.
Because as long as that happens, you're not really capable of higher reasoning.
It used to be that we would have election cycles that were sea change.
They were whatever you want to call them, a pendulum swing.
And what would happen is the election would happen, and then this crazy thing would happen the day after the election.
Everyone would get on with their lives, I know.
I can't believe it used to happen, but it did.
Because then what would happen, the byproduct of this was people would actually have to go out into the world and live with the consequences of their vote.
They didn't have this constant scapegoat, whether it be Trump or MAGA or before that the Tea Party or whatever, right?
They didn't have this constant demoniac specter hovering over them that they could just project every single failing of their daily existence upon.
By keeping people perpetually in this state of political fight or flight, they have made them the most easily manipulable group of people possibly in history.
It's pretty amazing.
This all sounds intuitively correct, but let me just make a naive, perhaps naive, comment.
If you're in a constant state of agitation, That fatigues human beings.
Isn't there a point at which people are just going to say, enough, I can't hate everybody all the time?
And then secondly, this idea of identity politics, that I'm a Y, I'm a Z, I'm an LGBTQLMNOP, At the end of the day, also, that fails to provide real meaning, right?
That kind of, that atavistic, unthinking, tribal identification doesn't provide any meaningful meaning at all.
So, are they doomed to collapse, or can't, or mustn't we take that for granted?
That's one of the things that I don't think the right fully appreciate.
This is true of China, in my opinion.
This is true of a lot of socialistic and really, let's be honest, let's take a page from Miss Ayn Rand, a little collectivist.
It's really a collectivist phenomenon.
This idea that they're actually people credit them with long term circumspect foresight.
When, in reality, they're thinking remarkably short term.
If you don't believe me, go look at the aqueduct and dam system over in China, for crying out loud.
They don't think much beyond one or two years ahead.
You know what I mean?
This is pretty common.
They want to turn other people into reflex machines because they are constantly in a reflex machine kind of state.
It's a constant drama of succession when you're an authoritarian, autocratic, centralized government kind of regime.
It really is.
And you can even see this within our own country, where I would not argue that Biden is a dictator.
I want to make that perfectly clear.
But you can clearly see that as more and more authority has been centralized on the executive office, there has been more and more of a Game of Thrones happening behind him.
You're constantly hearing all of these rumors out of the White House about Kamala maneuvering with this, and these people within the White House don't care for Kamala.
There's this constant kind of chess game going on behind the scenes.
I mean, look what's going on with Fetterman, for crying out loud, with his wife and the governor of Pennsylvania and everything.
The more you centralize this authority, this is the great hilarity of it all.
There are people who consider dictatorship to be more efficient, but the truth is, the more power you centralize in one place, the less efficient it gets.
Because you constantly have to ward off attempts at your power!
That's always how it works!
It's amazing how people always have that backward.
I was in Hungary on Christmas Day 1989 watching the live TV coverage of Ceaușescu's anti-Christmas speech.
He banned Christmas, so on Christmas Day he would address the people, his people, from the People's Palace.
And just that moment where one of the most Stalinist dictators of Eastern Europe saw the people chanting down with Ceausescu and he couldn't compute that he was the dictator.
Elena, his wife, was the dictatress.
And then suddenly the people said, no, this is over.
And he has to escape in a helicopter off the roof of the building.
And the whole system literally collapses around him.
And he's shot by a firing squad four days later.
So yeah, this is... I'm not saying we should have to wait until, you know, the American dictatorship collapses, so let's flip it on its head.
Given what we've witnessed in the last 72 hours, what we've witnessed in the last seven years, where does this end?
What is the remedy to what we've witnessed to the weaponization of the state?
Can one guy, Trump, fix it?
Will there be a new Tea Party?
Give me some good news, raise a fist, for the future of America.
This really is why I mentioned the difference between top-down and bottom-up governance, really.
This country is unique in that it really was a bottom-up affair, with states conferring power upon the federal government and telling the federal government the very short list of things that it was allowed to do.
There must be a reorientation.
I'm not sure if I've mentioned this on your program before or not, but we mentioned January 6th earlier.
I'm convinced and thoroughly persuaded January 6th did not make the Mono Party apoplectic simply because they thought that Trump would cross the Rubicon and it would be an insurrection and so forth.
Because I'm thoroughly persuaded that even if the House delegations had taken back their electoral power and actually had to confer to decide who the president was, probably Biden still would have been installed.
But the reason that made them just absolutely hyperventilative was because by doing that, it would have reoriented power back to the state level to a degree it hasn't been Gosh, since the Gilded Age, since the post-Civil War era, it would basically be a giant moment where everyone would snap out of it in unison and go, wait a minute, the states decide who the president is.
It's not actually set up so that the federal government, in other words, has been wanting to run elections itself.
It's pretty obvious.
They would like for elections to be mandated federally, and that's a terrible idea on a lot of levels.
It's very much a fox in the henhouse situation.
It's important to have that moment, whether it's a convention of the states or something that makes abundantly clear this is not the United States of America a monolith, this is a collection of individual sovereign states that are together in voluntary union.
So the rectification has to come via the states?
I think so.
I think it has to be a reorientation back to state power.
Because look, there can be odious policies on a state level, right?
Certainly, you can see that in California and New York.
Although I think the more sovereign you make the states and the less powerful you make the federal government, I think it incentivizes some of the more odious policies of states like New York.
And California, and you would start to see some of those get dismantled sort of naturally because there's no federal handouts in exchange for doing it.
I think it really is about giving power back to the states.
States need to assert that they're in control of their individual elections.
We need to stop with these monolithic entities that hand out all of the voting machines to like 20 different states at once or more.
We need to get back to a place where it's more simple, it's easier to track.
I mean, this is why people like Carrie Lake, the fight, believe it or not, the legal fight that's still ongoing is so important to follow right now.
All right.
I could go on for hours.
This isn't an interview.
This is far more a discussion, and I love it.
But we need to talk about your latest project.
What will you be unveiling to the masses next month?
Raise a fist.
I'm really excited.
I started my career out in comics actually as an illustrator, but this time I'm going to be a writer.
I'm going to unveil my first Really the first comic book project that most of my fans will be aware of, and I can reveal that it's going to be a Western.
And we're going to announce the title, we're going to show off some preview pages, and announce the opening of the pre-order program for it on April 21st.
So keep your eyes peeled to my Twitter feed.
I'm going to be on a program that discusses pop culture, On YouTube called Friday Night Tights, and I'll be announcing it there.
Will you come back on on the week of April 21st?
I would love to.
That'd be awesome.
It might even be cool to bring the artist.
He's a very interesting cat.
He's going to be on Tim Pool the same week, actually, incidentally.
Why a Western?
I'm curious.
Because I know you're, you know, Mad Max, 80s movies.
Why a Western?
I love West—well, I'm from the Old West, you know, I'm from Arizona.
Actually, this is going to have to do with Arizona history a little bit.
So I'm interested in a sort of unwritten period of Arizona history.
So I'm interested in exploring that.
And I think Westerns are interesting in that they sort of, they can either be a cautionary tale of the dangers of unchecked—heck, we were just talking about it—kind of federalism, the encroachment of civilization.
A lot of that had to do with government subsidies for railroads and such.
Abraham Lincoln himself was a fairly corrupt railroad lawyer before he was president.
So all that stuff actually plays into the modern day to a very large degree.
It's also an important civics lesson.
Right?
Because it was a period where the law could not have been farther in some locations, and yet order still prevailed.
There was literally no law in the town of Deadwood, and yet it went from being a camp to a town.
It became a city long before anyone formally recognized it as such.
Important civics lesson, and something that public school is not going to give you, unfortunately.
Nope.
That's why we, the good guys, have to start taking back the culture, one graphic novel at a time.
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