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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Another mysterious Clinton-connected "suicide"

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	�� This is America First with Sebastian Lorca.
	Welcome, dear friends.
	Well, President Trump is on his way to East Palestine in Ohio.
	And I think Joe Biden's still in Europe, and he's still falling up the stairs.
	Yes, you remember he did it three times in one day, up the staircase into Air Force One.
	He did it again in Europe.
	If you don't believe me, and if you're watching, here's the video of Biden falling up the stairs again.
	He's not even, why is he not holding on to the railing at the side?
	Now, we have the video of President Trump, today, getting on his exclusive jet, his own jet.
	Look at that man, just spryly going up the stairs, not slipping at all.
	I don't think, has anyone ever seen him fall in public?
	Hey, Mr. G, there's that thing at West Point where they made fun of him for going slowly down a metal ramp in leather-soled shoes, but has he ever done a Biden?
	Yes, and it was also raining that day as well, too.
	I forgot!
	Which is what you're supposed to do, which I would have done when I was 16 years old.
	I would have held onto the railing if it was raining and gone down the ramp slow.
	But has he ever done the Biden?
	Has he ever, like, fallen down?
	No, I don't think so.
	I think he should mock him one time, though.
	Oh, like he didn't do with that journalist.
	All right, let's do it again.
	This is the man who's in control of thousands of nuclear weapons.
	Look at him.
	He's 80 years old!
	Hold the flipping rail, you cretin!
	You're 80 years old.
	I'd hold the rail if I were 80 years old.
	Oh, dear.
	All right, guys, so much to discuss today.
	We've got an amazing guest in the third hour, one-on-one, the crypto con, why you shouldn't believe in Bitcoin.
	We'll have one of the world's experts on that.
	We've got Dave Brat, former congressman from the 10th District in Virginia.
	Jennifer Horn, our West Coast warrior princess.
	But first, let's talk about Biden.
	Let's talk about Russia.
	I have published a new article On Substack, I put it up last night.
	I was on another four-hour Twitter spaces talking about Ukraine, trying to push back the loonies and the people who believe nuclear war is around the corner.
	It's not.
	Can we calm down, please?
	And as I was listening to the end of that Twitter Spaces debate, I decided to publish my article.
	And I want to share my conclusion with you.
	You should read the whole thing.
	Go to my Substack.
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	That's my whole name is one word.
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	Now, Here's the issue.
	Here's why I wrote the piece.
	We are in this peculiar situation where we get to choose between two options when it comes to foreign policy and wars in other nations.
	You can throw money at it and say we're going to fight till the end and we're going to give weapons to countries like Ukraine, which is what Biden's doing and Lindsey Graham is doing.
	Or, you can be a neo-Buchananite.
	This is the position that Tucker Carlson and others evidence that says, it doesn't matter to us, it's irrelevant, Ukraine has no impact on the national interests of the United States.
	My issue is, why do we have two options?
	Why is it just two things?
	Two extreme options.
	It's everything, World War III, throw it all in, 82nd Airborne, M1 Abrahams tanks, you name it.
	Or do nothing.
	Maybe life gives you a few more options than that.
	And what would Reagan do?
	It's always an interesting question.
	What would Reagan do?
	Would Reagan say, a nation invading another nation is irrelevant?
	So here are my thoughts.
	Now, don't misunderstand me.
	Dropping another $500 million on Kiev, and it's Kiev, by the way, ask a flipping Ukrainian, okay?
	Kiev is not what I recommend, as Biden announced.
	That is a corrupt nation, but that doesn't matter.
	This nation is corrupt as well.
	Doesn't mean that Chinese tanks could roll down Pennsylvania Avenue just because Congress and the FBI and the DOJ and the Senate is corrupt.
	No.
	These are free nations.
	America is an independent nation and so is Ukraine.
	But the question is, How should we react to a free nation being invaded by a nuclear-armed nation?
	Remember, in 1995, we, we, America, along with the UK, along with France, we said, give up your nuclear weapons, Ukraine.
	Give them to Russia.
	We don't want you to have nuclear weapons.
	We'll protect you.
	The idiots listened to us.
	If they'd had those nuclear weapons now, they wouldn't have been invaded.
	So, let's say we follow the neo-buchananite isolationist strain of American politics.
	What happens then?
	Well, sooner or later, Putin and Russia takes all of Ukraine.
	Then, if we do nothing, if Washington doesn't lead NATO, they'd go after other areas that Putin has said are illegitimate, including the Baltic states and Poland.
	Which are all NATO nations.
	At that point, Article 5 of the NATO Treaty kicks in and we have to decide, do we keep our promise and do we go to the aid of our European allies?
	Do we deploy the 82nd Airborne?
	Do we use our nuclear weapons as the NATO Treaty would determine we should?
	Or do we say, no, we break our promise and we just don't care?
	And Russia's expansion into Europe is simply limited by its military might and its economy.
	At that point, would Americans be safer?
	With multiple countries gobbled up by Moscow once again, as we saw in the 20th century, what would the reaction of Americans here, or of Polish, Hungarian, Czech, or Ukrainian heritage do?
	What would they do at the next polling station, at the next election?
	More importantly, forget about domestic politics.
	What would our enemies think?
	What would China think if Russia were successful in gobbling up all of Ukraine?
	What would Iran think if other nations fell and America, their ally, did nothing?
	What about jihadi groups like ISIS or Al-Qaeda?
	Because, you know, by the way, they still exist.
	We crushed the caliphate when we were in the White House, but they're not completely disappeared off the face of the earth.
	What would their remnant jihadis do when they saw the great infidel America turn its back on Poland, the strongest Christian nation in Europe?
	Would they say, yeah, America, they're cowards, they don't help their fellow Christians.
	Now I get it, the price of gas matters and other obvious things, but that would be the least of our worries.
	When our enemies, nations or non-nation state actors, nations that hate us, would see that America is no longer America.
	That America doesn't care when free nations lose their freedom.
	That's not an America I want to live in.
	And that point, at that point, it wouldn't even be America.
	Because by that time, America, as we know it, would long be dead.
	That's why we should help the Ukrainians fight for themselves, not with pallets of cash or M1 Abram tanks, but giving them the means and the intelligence to bleed the Russians.
	Because guess what?
	America Would not be America today if nations like France, Holland and Spain hadn't helped those crazy colonials like George Washington.
	Yeah.
	Spain, Holland and France.
	Look it up.
	That's my take!
	Get that and so much more at sivashengorka.substack.com.
	Let's be the America we were meant to be.
	I know it's going to take President Trump back in the White House, but in the meantime, come on guys, let's show a little backbone.
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	Okay.
	And I'm sending you a load of photographs that he sent, um... Okay.
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	Oh, where is he?
	Where is he?
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	Uh, mics off.
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	He's a good friend of the show.
	He's a great patriot.
	He served this nation in and out of uniform and now he's helping those who are suffering on the other side of the globe.
	Rudy Atala, welcome back to America First.
	Hey, thank you, Seb.
	Good to see you.
	You look great, by the way.
	Thank you, buddy.
	You look very distinguished.
	We like that little goatee beard.
	Mine isn't quite that white yet, but it makes you look very distinguished.
	I last saw you at SHOT Show.
	You're a big gun guy just like me, but I cannot keep up with everything else you do, whether it's saving people who are stuck in Afghanistan after the outrageous Surrender of that nation by the current administration.
	Or, we were doing our own campaign for those who are suffering as a result of that Richter 7 earthquake in Turkey, in Syria.
	And then I found out that your charitable organization that's done so much for Christians across the globe, The Blessing Projects, is also on the ground.
	So, this is the website.
	That you can visit for donations, theblessingsprojects.org.
	Tell us what you're doing in Turkey and Syria and how bad the situation still is.
	Oh yeah, the situation is horrible.
	In fact, a couple days ago they had another earthquake, 6.4 on the Richter scale, which decimated areas that were already hit, especially old cities like Antioch.
	Which is where the original Christian church began, where the Apostle Peter started his first church.
	Let's talk about this image.
	So you sent me these images.
	This is an Orthodox priest.
	And when I first received the image, I thought, why have you sent it to me sideways?
	That crosses sideways.
	And I realized the top of the church building had collapsed, correct?
	Yeah, correct.
	Exactly.
	The death count right now between Turkey and Syria is at 46,000 and climbing.
	A lot of people are too afraid to go back into some of the structures that are still standing.
	Too many cracks.
	So people are living out in the cold.
	We've been providing tents and food.
	I have five teams on the ground spread between Syria and Turkey helping.
	The problem is both The governments of both countries are not helpful to their people, and especially the Christians.
	This would have been my next question.
	So we've got the civil war that's been raging in Syria.
	We've got Turkey that's being run by this, you know, neo-Ottomanist individual.
	Do they, even if they wanted to help, even if they wanted to help the Christian minorities, do these nations even have the capabilities, Rudy?
	In the case of Turkey, they have Some capabilities, but they are turning down a lot of Western support because of image.
	Erdogan wants to make sure that only, you know, Sunni countries like, you know, like UAE, Saudi Arabia, whatnot, our Gulf countries essentially are providing the support that's required.
	And Western nations that are trying to come in to provide support are Most of the time blocked, hampered or allowed in small numbers.
	So they're not getting, the people on the ground are not getting all the support that they can get.
	In the case of Syria, it's even worse because of Assad, of course, doesn't care too much.
	Some of the supplies that made it into Syria, were confiscated by the Syrians and used the way the government saw fit.
	So aid that was going to people who were suffering as a result of the earthquake was being taken by the government of Assad?
	Yes, in one of the cases that we had, that's exactly what happened.
	And so the people are suffering.
	Luckily, the folks that are working for me are Christian Lebanese from Lebanon.
	They know what suffering is all about because they endured the Civil War back in the 80s into the early 90s.
	So, my guys are all on the ground.
	They're working around the clock.
	They're sleeping in tents.
	It's frigid cold in some of these places.
	So, they're enduring the cold and they're feeding people and still rescuing some of the survivors from underneath the rubble.
	And we're not going to quit until we've helped as many people as we can.
	And we're focused very heavily on the Christian communities because they're the ones that are basically the last to receive any support or any help.
	And for example in Turkey, Erdogan's administration doesn't want help from non-Sunni nations because what, they think that they can't be seen taking assistance from infidel countries?
	Well, in part, it's also the fact that, so for example, Qatar is going to donate 10,000 prefabricated homes to Turkey, and Turkey does not want to lose that by saying that Westerners are coming in to support.
	So they're trying to control the image, but of course they're also, Erdogan is trying to control the narrative the way he wants it without having too many eyes on what's going on in Turkey.
	God bless you.
	I want to talk to you in the next segment about the plight of the Christians across the region.
	In the meantime, we're talking to the president of the amazing The Blessings Project.
	That's BlessingProjects.org.
	The BlessingProjects.org.
	Please, if you want to give, remember Lent starts today.
	If you want to do something good, this is perhaps one of the easiest ways to help Your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ who are truly, truly suffering as a result of the tragedy that is the multiple earthquakes in Syria and also in Turkey.
	That's TheBlessingProjects.org.
	Please give today.
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	I wonder, I wonder, who is he trying to appeal to?
	Mike, you are a nice guy but you don't have a chance.
	I'm sorry.
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	One man who knows exactly what I am talking about is our good buddy.
	He is a former counterterrorism professional extraordinaire.
	Now he is the founder, the president of an amazing organization that is helping Christians in The parts of the world where they are suffering the most.
	Rudi Ortala, welcome back to American First.
	Thank you.
	Thank you so much.
	All right, so guys, today's the day.
	Lent has begun.
	If you want to help our brothers and sisters who are suffering, not just in Turkey and Syria as a result of the earthquake, but because of persecution in all parts of the world, go to theblessingprojects.org.
	That's theblessingprojects.org.
	Rudy, will you please just Explain to those who haven't been to North Africa, the Middle East, to the home, the original home of our faith, how bad things have become in the last 20 years.
	Oh, in the last 20 years it's gotten exceptionally worse for Christians.
	I mean, between Lebanon and Syria, I mean, look at Lebanon, southern Lebanon, Canaan, is one of the areas where Jesus walked on.
	And you look at Nineveh, it's mentioned in the Old Testament.
	The Christians in these countries have suffered war, they've suffered direct persecution.
	Right now, for example, the Christians in Lebanon, which make up 35% of the population, it's the most populated Christian country in the Middle East.
	40% of them are living in poverty or worse because of the economic problems, because of Hezbollah, because of what's going on next door.
	Many of them can't even buy a carton of eggs just to feed their family members.
	Syria, Christians have since the war in 2011 have been pushed all over the place.
	They were at a million.
	They're down to a couple hundred thousand now.
	Iraq same thing, you know from 2014-15 when ISIS came through all the way until now Christians are still suffering and And can barely can barely live.
	So what we do is we go into these communities and we Try to rebuild for them and we also create small projects whether they're agricultural projects or whether they are
	Small school projects and we we we try to rally the community around the small projects and build it from there and we've had some successes some great successes, but When you talk about persecution, it's not only You know for your faith, but your way of life as well you know and and in the ISIS groups like ISIS or al-qaeda are still very relevant and now
	As you well know, after the collapse of Afghanistan and all the work that we've done, both of these groups are on the rise.
	And not only are they on the rise in Afghanistan, but they're on the rise inside Syria.
	And so that persecution now is kind of taking a new level.
	And it's nonstop.
	And of course, the mainstream media won't talk about it.
	I want to thank you, your amazing teams on the ground.
	And, of course, your muse, Terry, for everything you are doing.
	Please, friends, Lent has begun.
	Do something blessed today.
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	Thank you, Rudy.
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	All right.
	Two minutes.
	Right.
	I've seen everything, right?
	Uh, yeah.
	We haven't used any cuts yet other than the b-roll bite.
	Play three again.
	There's a quick cut of Trump and his pals.
	Oh, so it's pretty extraordinary.
	Hang on, I gotta get it.
	Who's eating food?
	I hear food rustling.
	That's, uh... That would be my, uh, bathroom wipes.
	Ah!
	Not that yummy.
	My Lou wipes.
	Lou!
	Yeah, the cut's not ready yet.
	I'll let you know when it's ready.
	Alright, then do that cut again.
	All right, because if Donald Trump had actually won the election, think about Ukraine would be part of Russia.
	The NATO alliance would have been shattered.
	So elections really do matter.
	And so I think with Biden's trip to Europe, he is welcomed as not only, frankly, the savior of Ukraine, but also the savior of Europe as a whole.
	And Joe, watching that speech yesterday, all I could think of was someone that I think both of us admire.
	That's Ronald Reagan.
	Fuck me.
	That's pretty nuts.
	Okay.
	And of course it was the Washington Examiner.
	Yeah.
	Okay, I think I have the Trump clip now.
	All right.
	You want to use it in this segment or wait for a bit?
	Well, let me hear it.
	Playback one, guys.
	To the nearby communities in Ohio and Pennsylvania, we have told you loud and clear, you are not forgotten.
	Okay, good.
	You are not forgotten.
	Coming with that, no liner.
	Alright.
	What happened with J.D.?
	Jeff, that was not a that was not a good one.
	told you loud and clear you are not forgotten You are not forgotten.
	We stand with you, we pray for you, and we will stay with you in your fight to help answer.
	And the accountability that you deserve, we'll have that accountability.
	It'll all be out there very clearly.
	That was President Trump in East Palestine.
	I'm going to say East Palestine.
	I mean, it looks like it's written.
	Palestine, East Palestine, Ohio.
	He is there on the ground.
	Mayor Pete, of course, isn't there, the Transport Secretary.
	Biden is still in Europe.
	But the 45th President of the United States, who cares for real Americans, For working-class Americans, Americans who are suffering, is there right now.
	And you saw behind him that very outspoken mayor of East Palestine, Trent Conaway, is there.
	And also to the left of the president is J.D.
	Vance.
	Let's get J.D.
	on the show as soon as possible.
	We need to find out what's happening from the newest senator in Ohio.
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	Line one, George.
	George, you're up!
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	Hopefully I'll get on that real soon.
	Good.
	All right.
	What's your topic?
	What's your question?
	I was just mulling over the Biden statement about how half the women on his staff were women.
	So given that we have Rachel, don't call me Raymond Levine, Ron, hand me a Kleenex claim, and Pete, attorney Lee's booty judge, do you think it's safe to say that less than half the men on his staff are men?
	I don't know.
	That's a good question.
	We'll have to do a little bit of a survey.
	But what is a man and what is a woman today?
	I mean, the left doesn't know, George.
	So if they don't know the answer to that question, they can't tell you who are the real men and who are the fake men, who are the real women, who are the fake women.
	Great point, George.
	But, you know, the question is, do they know?
	They don't even know how many genders there are.
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	Brent, also in California, line two.
	Hello, gallant and chivalrous Gorka.
	Oh, I like that.
	Let's return to an age of gallantry and chivalry.
	What would you like to talk about today, Brent?
	Well, we've got to start moving at the speed of Trump to get our manga blockbuster television show up and broadcasting.
	And since you didn't like my original title, The Real Woke Women of Mar-a-Lago, I came up with more options.
	Let's do it.
	Let's hear them.
	The lovable ladies of Mar-a-Lago, the modern matriarchs of Mar-a-Lago.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	Lovable ladies.
	Modern matriarchs, yes.
	The wise warrior women of Mar-a-Lago.
	I like that.
	Wise warrior women, yes.
	The magnificent matriarchs of Mar-a-Lago.
	Hang on, what about the Magnificent MAGA Matriarchs?
	That was the next.
	Well, I didn't put in Magnificent, but the MAGA Matriarchs of Mar-a-Lago.
	My gosh, you have been working overtime, Brent.
	And my personal favorite, because it comes from the musical theme, it'll be Mar-a-Lago's Ladies de la Mancha, from the musical theme.
	Right, right, right.
	The man from La Mancha.
	Alright, I've written these down.
	I'm going to run them by my boss and see what she thinks.
	What do you think?
	Yes, and also I want the musical theme to be to dream the impossible dream.
	Man of La Mancha.
	And please review Man of La Mancha for making movies MAGA again.
	All right, I will run it past my buddy, Chris.
	Thank you for those great ideas.
	Next up, it's the original Mad Max movie that we are reviewing.
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	Bill, line three.
	Hey, Dr. G. I was reading your tweet about the January 6th footage being released, and I really wanted to just call in and talk to you about it.
	Well, go ahead.
	That's why I said, start talking, Bill.
	Okay.
	Well, I think something people don't talk about enough is the unreliable nature of this type of video footage, you know?
	Videos can be deceptive.
	I even once saw a video where forced perspective made your head look normal size.
	Explain to me something, Bill.
	Why are you jealous about the size of my appendages?
	Do you have very small appendages, Bill?
	I mean, do you have extremities that are disproportionately small?
	Did the girls laugh at you when you were a little boy or in the changing room?
	Did the members of your school laugh at you, Bill?
	I need to know why you bring this up because, you know, it's amusing.
	Okay, that you're worried about the size of my appendages, because that means you're probably overcompensating for having very, very little ones, Bill.
	And I'm sad for you, but to admit that in public, probably not a good thing, because the girls who were laughing at you then when you were a little boy, They're going to be laughing at you now as a sad, grown-up little boy, and I have one thing to say to you, as I do to all the sad little snowflakes in their mother's basements who listen to my show.
	I'm flattered that you listen to my show, but right now, give the phone back to your mother, okay?
	Thank you, Bill.
	Bye-bye.
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	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Eric, grab that stop one.
	That's B-roll you said?
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Oh, yeah.
	There's also a bunch of SUVs that were leaving McDonald's that I think he was taking at McDonald's.
	Alex, is this a new Patriot Supply?
	Yes.
	It looks the same.
	What's changed?
	They changed a few words here and there.
	Oh, okay.
	It's just for live use, right?
	You don't have to record it, right?
	No, it's to record.
	Oh, it's to record?
	Yes, sir.
	Okay.
	You want to play that B-roll for me?
	Playback 2, guy.
	Oh, good.
	Okay, excellent.
	So this is stuff that he's brought?
	Yes.
	Goya!
	There you go.
	I love it.
	Oh, that's good.
	What else?
	Oh, you just, you said you saw the SUVs.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And we already played the one clip from earlier.
	There's some others that it's kind of hard to, but there's a bunch of people saying, thank you, Trump.
	Thank you for not forgetting us.
	Crowds like screaming.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Um, where did you do?
	What am I looking for?
	40 seconds.
	Oh, Oh, I want to do the poll here.
	I want to do the very task poll.
	Oh, I got to get that.
	I'm going to tee up cut seven.
	Cut seven.
	Oh, Vivek.
	All right.
	Well, actually, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
	actually cut four.
	I know Sebastian
	Well, look.
	Listen to him.
	He's with us.
	Mayor Pete- Oh, thank you, Mr. President.
	Very, very kind.
	Yes, indeed.
	And if you're with us, then you're America first as well.
	I guess Mayor Pete was spanked!
	He was given the yellow card because, um, I don't know if this counts as an apology, but this is what Boot-Edge Edge said on CBS about the fact- Hang on, Jeff.
	He hasn't gone yet, has he?
	No, but he's been organizing and talking and everything that he said.
	Oh, he's been organizing and talking.
	Because he's about action, he said.
	Not optics.
	He's about action.
	Well, let's listen to this fake apology.
	Cut 4, play cut.
	And I just have to ask, because it did take you a couple of days to respond publicly, or several days to respond publicly to this particular incident, do you wish you would have spoken out sooner?
	Yes, I was focused on just making sure that our folks on the ground were all set, but could have spoken sooner about how strongly I felt about this incident, and that's a lesson learned for me.
	Wow, he did not look happy there.
	You know what he was doing?
	How organized he was doing?
	Do you want to find out what he was really doing?
	The Daily Caller's Jenny Tear, well, she pigeonholed him on the street in DC and asked him, does he regret not going?
	And his response, it's really creepy.
	Cut six.
	Secretary, what do you have to say?
	Hi, how are you?
	Jenny Tarr at the Daily Caller News Foundation.
	What do you have to say to the folks in Ohio, East Palestine, who are suffering right now?
	Well, I'd refer you to about a dozen interviews I've given today, and if you'd like to arrange a conversation, make sure you reach out to my press office.
	I've had that conversation with you.
	You don't have a message for them?
	I do, and I shared it with the press many times today.
	I'd refer you to those comments.
	You mind sharing it with us?
	No, I'm gonna refer you to the comments that I made to the press because right now I'm taking some personal time and I'm walking down the street.
	Are you going down there?
	What's that?
	Are you going down there at all?
	Um, yep, I am.
	When are you going?
	Uh, I'll share that when I'm ready.
	Okay, thank you.
	Can I get a photo of you?
	Can I get a photo?
	He's so busy.
	He's so busy, he gave 12 interviews.
	How does that help the people who are suffering?
	Him, mugging in front of a camera, and then when a journalist is real journalism, he wants to take her photograph?
	That's creepy.
	That's like what happened in communist... What's your name?
	Let me take a photograph.
	These people are so weird.
	The Project Veritas scandal continues.
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	But first things first, Mayor Pete, why hasn't he gone to East Palestine yet?
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	Hi Jen, how's it going?
	Hi, good, how are you guys?
	Doing all right, doing all right.
	It's another fun day.
	Yeah, it's a fun Wednesday.
	Yeah, what's going on around there?
	Yeah.
	You ready for video?
	you.
	Yeah, you can go ahead and call.
	Alright, here we come.
	Hey, Jeff.
	Let me see you now, Jen.
	Hello.
	Hello!
	Hi.
	I'm feeling ready, finally, for the whole California Senate primary.
	I'm pumped now that we know it's going to be, you know, total open bloodbath.
	You're happy?
	You feel good, complete?
	I think it's going to be Schiff versus Porter in the general election.
	I do too.
	Single-digit margin victory for Schiff, I think.
	Sorry.
	No matter what happens, I throw up, so it's okay.
	It's alright.
	The defining factor at that point becomes how or if Republicans vote, because I remember in 2018 when it was Feinstein versus de Leon, and I, like every Republican I knew, voted for de Leon just to spite her.
	Me too.
	If Republicans wanted, I think it would be hilarious if they just voted for Katie Porter because Schiff is such a notorious anti-Trumper.
	I would support that.
	I would choose her over Schiff if I could vote.
	Uh, well, I think it's really, I told you how he was asking that question of his producer and he was talking about, um, if you had to like make that call, what would you do?
	And basically forced his producer into saying, well, you'd have to vote for Katie Porter because nobody trusts Adam Schiff.
	He's awful.
	He's awful.
	But Katie Porter, on the other hand, is also years younger than Adam Schiff.
	Adam Schiff is what, 61?
	And she's only, is she only 47?
	She looks older.
	Then you got him forever.
	So really the smart money would be to hope that Barbara Lee comes along because she's 76.
	Right.
	And she's more of an anti-establishment candidate than anything else.
	I would like Ro Khanna to get in.
	If Ro Khanna could manage to let the other three tear each other apart, at least it would be an option.
	After the Twitter files, knowing what we know about him, I'm like, yeah, he's probably not a bad guy.
	Ro Khanna's not that bad.
	He's a leftist, but he doesn't hate us.
	He doesn't want to kill us.
	I don't hate him.
	Literally, when I talk about having to vote for Schiff or Porter, my stomach actually gets sick.
	I don't want to have to make that choice.
	Alright, come in with President Trump.
	The one of him in Ohio?
	Yep.
	Did you hear this was my idea?
	What?
	Going to Ohio for Trump.
	I think that was my idea.
	Uh-uh!
	Because I told Grant and Grant texted it to the lawyer.
	I think you'll find it's my idea.
	I think all good ideas related to Mar-a-Lago are my idea.
	Well, let me tell you this.
	So someone wrote to Grant back and said, there are a lot of people who think like you around here.
	So apparently a couple of very smart people had the same idea about going to Ohio.
	What?
	Did he send it to Mar-a-Lago?
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	Who does that knucklehead know at Mar-a-Lago?
	Coming in with...
	26.
	No liner.
	Oh, Alex.
	Thank you.
	the nearby communities in Ohio and Pennsylvania.
	We have told you loud and clear, you are not forgotten.
	You are not forgotten.
	We stand with you, we pray for you, and we will stay with you in your fight to help answer.
	And the accountability that you deserve, we'll have that accountability.
	It'll all be out there very clearly.
	That was President Trump just moments ago in East Palestine, Ohio.
	He has gone there as a private citizen, despite the fact that the current administration, not even the Secretary for Transportation, Boot Edge Edge, have gone there.
	Biden's still in Europe.
	Mayor Pete couldn't care less.
	In fact, he's doing very creepy things.
	We're going to show you that clip again.
	And I want a reaction from our West Coast warrior princess.
	Jennifer Horne, was this your idea to send President Trump to Ohio?
	I need to know.
	Apparently it was our idea.
	Now I'm finding out you had the same idea.
	No, no, no.
	I want the truth.
	So when did you come up with this and how did you get this idea to Mar-a-Lago?
	This is a true story and it all happened on the air.
	It was documented on the radio show in Los Angeles, The Morning Answer, and so here's how it went.
	On Thursday, I said to Grant, because I had actually, I think I tweeted it out the day before, I said, you know, President Trump needs to go to Ohio.
	This is where his country, this is Trump country down there, and they're being ignored by the Biden administration.
	I think for political reasons, he needs to go.
	Grant said, "That's a great idea.
	Do you want me to send that over to the boss?" And I said, "All right." So he sends it over to his contact, who's very close to President Trump, and apparently got a response saying, "Let me run this by him." And then later in the day saying, "There are other people around here who think the same as you." And then that afternoon, we heard the announcement that President Trump was going to Ohio.
	And how great is it?
	He actually embarrassed the Biden administration, forced FEMA into doing what they should have done, forced the EPA to actually go there and put some pressure on the railroad to actually clean this up, and what do you know, old creepy pothole Pete, Who is probably the worst transportation secretary in history.
	And by the way, it's not that difficult of a job.
	But the Biden administration puts a guy named Pothole Pete into that position, which is just ridiculous.
	And he's been the worst.
	I guess he's finally going tomorrow now.
	So look at what President Trump can do.
	And by the way, Seb, strategically, Yes.
	This is what it needs to look like for the next couple of years.
	Every hole that Biden leaves in his presidency, and it's Swiss cheese.
	President Trump should be there filling the hole, reminding people why he fought for them originally.
	And I think it's a winning strategy.
	It's a winning move.
	And he's uniquely positioned to do that.
	She's the co-host of the Morning Answer, AM 870, AM 590, also CRN Digital Talk.
	Follow her right now at Jennifer Horn on Twitter.
	All right, Jennifer, I just want to show this again because it's so bloody creepy.
	It reminds me of how communist bureaucrats behave.
	Mayor Pete strolling around, I don't know, swanning around D.C., finally a reporter from the Daily Caller asks the right question.
	Play cut.
	Secretary, what do you have to say?
	Hi, how are you?
	Jenny here with the Daily Caller News Foundation.
	What do you have to say to the folks in Ohio, East Palestine, who are suffering right now?
	Well, I'd refer you to about a dozen interviews I've given today, and if you'd like to arrange a conversation.
	You don't have a message for them?
	I do, and I shared it with the press many times today.
	I'd refer you to those comments.
	Do you mind sharing it with us?
	No, I'm going to refer you to the comments that I made to the press because right now I'm taking some personal time and I'm walking down the street.
	Are you going down there?
	What's that?
	Are you going down there at all?
	Yep, I am.
	When are you going?
	I'll share that when I'm ready.
	Okay, thank you.
	Can I get a photo of you?
	Yep!
	Can I get a photo of you?
	Why would a gay man want a photograph of a young female reporter?
	Let me share with you a story.
	So, at the conference where I met my future wife, it was a conference on national security and ethnic conflict in the Balkans, and we were in Romania, which was being run by the former communists at that time who had been elected back into power.
	It was a week-long conference.
	The first five days were run by the American organization that was paying for the whole event.
	And it was 70 young policy experts.
	I was coming from Hungary.
	Katie was coming from a think tank in New York.
	Last couple of days were handed over to the government of Romania, run by the former communists.
	And they sat us down in the Ministry of whatever, Interior, and we met with the Minister for Ethnic Affairs.
	70 young people from across the globe.
	And one American, who's a liberal, by the way, he asked a very trenchant question about the lack of civil rights for the ethnic Hungarians living in Romania.
	First thing the minister does is he looks at this guy and he says, takes his pen and says, And And what is your name?
	And he proceeds to write it down.
	That's exactly what I thought of when I saw Mayor Pete whip out his phone and take a photograph of a journalist just to intimidate them, Jen.
	Yeah, because she knows that she's going to be blacklisted.
	He's going to know who she is, right?
	And, you know, Mayor Pete is very consistent on one thing, and that is that he loves his private time.
	This is the guy who went on maternity leave or paternity leave, or now he wants to be left alone on the streets.
	I'm sorry, when you are doing the work of the people and the people are paying your salary, You're on.
	Don't you think it would be nice for the people who had a mushroom cloud that was initiated by the government burning off toxic chemicals?
	They'd probably like a break.
	They'd probably like to be left alone.
	They'd probably like a clean glass of water.
	I'm sorry that Mayor Pete wasn't able to walk down the street without having to ask a tough question.
	Oh, I don't know, like, if you're going to a place where a disaster happened.
	But this is par for the course.
	This is the only Transportation Secretary who has had flights grounded underneath his watchful eye since 9-11, the only one who has spent more money on green initiatives than actually fixing the streets and the bridges, and the only one who has had a port crisis like we've seen over the last couple of years.
	This administration not necessarily burning it up under the watchful eye of Mayor Pete in the Secretary of Transportation role.
	Excuse me, something else that's maybe even creepier than Mayor Pete is this viral video of a very young looking woman.
	Her name is Emily Coors.
	She is the The foreman, foreperson of the jury for the court case against President Trump concerning the election in Georgia and Raffensperger.
	This young woman, Jen, you're a communications major.
	She's giving multiple interviews to the press whilst the court case is still in session.
	Just listen to what she says about getting President Trump in the dock.
	Did you personally want to hear from the former president?
	I wanted to hear from the former president, but honestly, I kind of wanted to subpoena the former president because I got to swear everybody in.
	And so I thought it'd be really cool to get 60 seconds with President Trump of me looking at him and being like, do you solemnly swear?
	And me getting to swear him in, I just, I kind of just thought that would be an awesome moment.
	Uh, not normal.
	As somebody on my team said, maybe she has daddy issues.
	That person will remain unnamed, Eric.
	And not only that, somebody on the internet, according to Alex, our engineer, found out what about this Emily Cause, Alex?
	She has some Pinterest boards of, uh, paganism and witchcraft.
	So she's into Wicca and she puts it up on Pinterest.
	So, uh, please help me out here.
	Give me some, uh, communications advice.
	I wish I could.
	Can you imagine this girl on Tinder?
	I'm sorry, she may be very nice, but she strikes me as, as we say in Hungary, one extra cog upstairs.
	That's exactly, my family from North Carolina says a couple of beers short of a six-pack is what they would say, in all of their glory.
	Well, look, this is who they probably put on purpose in charge of the jury because they love that, you know, this just tells you everything you need to know about the whole court case, right?
	This is the best of the best that is supposed to handle something very, very serious.
	And this is one of the jury members that went through the selection process by these lawyers.
	So I guess that probably tells you everything that you need to know.
	And I'm no lawyer, but there is a Latin phrase, and I did study Latin, called sub judice, which means you're not supposed to give stinking interviews if you're in the middle of a court case.
	By the way, points for the fancy word.
	That was a good one.
	Did you like that?
	Sub judice.
	I mean, if you're the defendant, sure.
	If you're the prosecutor, you can have a press conference.
	But if you're a member of the stinking jury, you're not even meant to read the newspaper, Jen.
	You can't talk to your parents.
	I'm guessing there's not a husband here, but you can't talk to your parents, to your siblings.
	You're not even supposed to talk to your cats or your stuffed animals.
	You're supposed to keep this all on the down low.
	I've sat on a jury and those were the instructions given to me.
	Maybe this is a good day for President Trump.
	Let's put this image up or this B-roll.
	I love this.
	Jeff just found this.
	This is pallets of food and clean water that the President has delivered to East Palestine.
	And watch as the camera pans.
	What are those?
	Cans of Goya!
	Goya food, of course it is!
	That's so superb.
	We'll be back with Jennifer Horne.
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	Well, I was in intelligence, you do know that.
	I know, look at you.
	What did Ron DeSantis send?
	Ooh!
	Ooh!
	Spicy!
	Do you mean George Soros funded Ron DeSantis?
	What did he call it today?
	He sent a dozen oranges.
	Oh my gosh.
	Well, I was gonna say he probably sent him emails asking to donate to his campaign.
	I'm gonna tweet that out right now.
	That's so funny.
	Did you see the video of him for his three-day tour that they came up with?
	The law enforcement thing?
	Yeah.
	That thing is three days total?
	Yeah.
	That's it?
	And there's like nobody attending his events, right?
	He's coming here.
	I know to Orange County somewhere.
	I got a notification he's speaking at some event.
	Are you going to heckle him?
	I'm not going to go, no.
	I'm going to pass.
	I could go.
	I'm going to take a pass on it, though.
	All right, I want to talk about Vivek.
	It's very funny.
	I've done a couple.
	I've done one, two, three.
	I've already done four speaking engagements.
	This month.
	What?
	Nice.
	Well, last week of January and then three this month.
	Wow.
	And so part of what I talk about is courage and courage to speak and, you know, all this stuff.
	Because women in L.A.
	get murdered, not literally, sometimes.
	But I do my little survey.
	Trump DeSantis.
	Every group.
	Trump's blown it away.
	Every group.
	In California?
	In California.
	So, I think so much of this talk about DeSantis, I just, I'm not buying into it.
	I'm not, I think a lot of people see him as the next chapter, but not as this chapter.
	A lot of the sports are so astroturfed, too.
	I think what you were saying, Jen, is Trump should just keep filling in the holes of Biden.
	That is the perfect campaign.
	But he's got to be faster.
	It took him two weeks with Ohio.
	Yeah.
	So really, you suggested that too, Seb.
	That makes me so... We need to be his A-team.
	Let's go.
	What?
	The A-team?
	You suggested Ohio too?
	Oh, yeah.
	See?
	This is it.
	I'm telling you.
	We're the A-team.
	We are?
	Let's go.
	We're the double A-team.
	That's right.
	All right, so I want to play the Vivek Cut here for Jen.
	Yes.
	That's perfect for the Culver City story.
	We use that.
	Oh, good.
	And then come in with Cut 8.
	Come in with Cut 8.
	I like this guy.
	I like him.
	So do I. I think he's smart.
	Oh, Vivek?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we like him.
	He's just never going to be president.
	Except he's going to chop some votes away from Ron.
	Yep.
	He will.
	I said the first thing out of the box today is that it's kind of a, for me it feels more of a vice presidential run perhaps, but.
	Yeah, but if you look at his, the fact that he, because I reached out to him today, the fact that he is, what is it, what's the date today?
	Today is the 22nd of February.
	February 22nd, he's campaigning across New Hampshire.
	I know.
	It's like, he actually believes that.
	No, well you have to, right?
	Or at least Well, no, if it's a play for the cabinet, you're not wasting money in New Hampshire in February.
	That's true.
	Well, I guess he may think he's... I mean, he's got a great message, though, so I welcome it.
	And he's a great vessel because he's 37 and appears to be young, and I think that's really good for our party.
	And he's not a politician.
	Yeah.
	Coming in with cut eight, no longer.
	Yes, yes, that's true.
	25 seconds you you you you
	agency's chief made another visit to the site and sit the water .
	We, uh, I'll tell you, we believe in science, so we don't feel like we're being a guinea pig, but we don't mind proving to you that we believe in water.
	Okay, thank you, I appreciate that.
	Here's to you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you so much.
	Services for those three gentlemen will be held in a week.
	Kidding, I'm kidding.
	Greg!
	Certain things you shouldn't joke about.
	But did you see that Mr. EPA pretend to drink from his glass?
	It's hilarious.
	A guy who, by the way, was qualified because he, what, guess what, what did he do?
	Yes, he's into social justice.
	That means you're qualified to run the EPA.
	We're back with our good buddy Jennifer Horne.
	All right, it's official.
	We've got somebody else who's thrown their hat into the ring.
	He's been a guest on this show numerous times.
	He's a very smart individual and he announced it on Tucker's show.
	This is Vivek Ramaswamy.
	We are in the middle of this national identity crisis, Tucker, where we have celebrated our diversity and our differences for so long that we forgot all of the ways we're really just the same as Americans, bound by a common set of ideals that set this nation into motion 250 years ago.
	And that's why I'm proud to say tonight that I am running for United States President to revive those ideals in this country.
	Those basic rules of the road.
	Meritocracy.
	The idea that you get ahead in this country, not on the color of your skin, but on the content of your character.
	This is a very smart guy, been super successful in the private sector.
	He is a one-man campaign against wokeism in the private sector.
	What do you think of this decision?
	What do you think of Vivek's candidacy?
	I was actually surprised.
	It was kind of left field, because you know who we were focusing on, right?
	Who's going to be jumping in next?
	And he kind of wasn't on my radar for that.
	But I like Vivek very, very much.
	I like our bench, Seb, a whole lot more than I like the Democrats' bench.
	We have so much talent and so many great character—people with great characters, I think, that want to do this for the right reason.
	His message Is one that I really celebrate.
	I think we are doing a terrible disservice to our kids.
	The left looks at them as colors, as splotches of color, instead of as individual human beings that we should be nurturing.
	And I think he's got it right.
	I love what he talks about bringing back meritocracy.
	I think it's absolutely there.
	I don't know if he is going to be president this time around, but Look, strange things have happened.
	It's a long two years.
	I do think he has a message that is worth spreading and certainly he is a great vessel for the Republican Party because he's a young guy and he's got a lot of energy and he isn't, as we discussed, producer Jeff was saying, he's not a politician and I think that makes a really attractive candidate.
	That's absolutely crucial.
	I can see him.
	I don't think he's going to make it, you know, to a high result in the primaries, but I could see him in a Trump administration.
	You know where I could see him?
	I could see him less as a guy running an agency or a department, but he could be the new Jared Kushner.
	He could be the guy that does all the really smart pro-business stuff, runs the Economic Council.
	I could see Vivek doing that.
	Absolutely.
	We're creating policy, policy that would be great for business owners.
	He's right on the money when it comes to education as well.
	I'd like to throw away the Department of Education.
	I know that seems very controversial these days, but at the federal level it just seems to be a waste.
	But gosh, as far as education, business, all of that would go, he would be a shoo-in on creating policy in either of those realms.
	And at least, unlike the current governor of California, he wouldn't miss a budget by underestimating a deficit by seven billion dollars, Jan.
	Oops.
	Yeah, it was just a rounding error, I'm sure.
	Forgot to go to math class that day.
	Maybe he was a product of the California public schools.
	Hard to know.
	But yeah, Gavin Newsom, who crowed about having a surplus for so long, knew he was going to be in trouble this year.
	And here he is.
	But that's because the left calls for ridiculous ways to spend your money, our money.
	I mean, reparations, all of these refund checks, instead of just lowering taxes and making it easier for people to do business and live in the state, they just think handing you a debit card with $200 is going to be OK.
	We also have the unfunded pension liabilities that he has never, ever fully taken into account.
	And you've got people leaving the state.
	So, of course, this is going to be a problem for Gavin Newsom.
	But, you know, this is just going to add to his resume of things that people will be able to pick apart when he decides to run for the presidency.
	You've got to listen to this lady.
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	Jennifer, when I first saw this story, I thought it was, you know, the Babylon Bee.
	You sent it to me again today, so I guess it's true.
	I love dogs.
	I posted a photograph just about 30 minutes ago of Leia, our little Belgian shepherd.
	Since when are dogs racist?
	This has been a big controversy in the state of California.
	The assembly has two people, two assembly people, have put together a bill, part of 500 bills, by the way, that were presented before the deadline on Friday in California.
	And this one will get rid of canine units across the state for policing.
	Why, Seb?
	Because if it's not Trump and it's not climate change, it must be racism, right?
	Those are the things that we love to see, that the left loves to blame things on.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	That is actually a very deep thing.
	If it's not Trump or the environment, it's racism.
	That's all they have.
	It's everything.
	It's everything they have.
	Wow.
	We had an assemblywoman, Mia Bonta, who's the attorney general's wife, who just got in trouble from one brave member of the news media in Northern California who found out that she not only took a lot of money from her husband, the attorney general's campaign for her campaign for assembly, but she also was the attorney general's campaign for her campaign for assembly, but she also was in charge of the And it's his wife.
	Conflict of interest much?
	When she got confronted with it, she said, oh, it's such a sexist or racist question to ask me.
	I'm not even going to acknowledge it.
	So it's what they always do.
	But back to the dogs for a second.
	So because apparently communities of color have been terrorized by dogs throughout history, police can no longer use canine units as part of policing.
	This is such a travesty.
	What is this based upon?
	Can I actually point at anything?
	Well, there are German Shepherds.
	A little racist right now.
	Get them!
	No, but they can.
	They say that it's because of the history of using dogs on communities of color.
	So because somebody was an ass 70 years ago in Alabama, dogs are racist now.
	The left is trying to peel back every tool that police have in the state.
	They would like to see no police.
	They'd like to see no law and order.
	So why not?
	You know, first you can't use, they don't want you to use your guns, so they use the tasers.
	Now the tasers they don't want you to use, so now they're taking away the dogs.
	I mean, really, what is going to be left?
	This is why police are retiring and running away from the police force, and we are going to be left not with the best and brightest, but the The worst of the worst as far as what we're going to rely on for law enforcement.
	It's a terrible idea.
	And if you ask communities of color over and over again, you will find they want more policing said they don't want less policing.
	And so all of these people who come out there in the assembly with their security in their gated homes, they don't realize that the people that they are supposed to be serving Want the stuff that they're taking away in order to achieve some Equity or or to try to combat racism or just just a virtue signal.
	That's all they're really doing They'd rather spend their time doing that.
	All right.
	She's got to go off to give a speech.
	That's all she does nowadays radio and speech to the base to the Patriots left in California.
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	A little busy lady.
	Yeah, it's been busy.
	Everything else good?
	Yeah, excellent, excellent.
	All right.
	Well, you guys have a good rest of the day.
	It's gonna snow here, apparently.
	We've got a blizzard in Los Angeles.
	In L.A.
	Climate change.
	Wow, that's my kind of climate change.
	I know, I'm so excited.
	I told Chuck yesterday, I'm like, if there is one snowflake on the ground, I will be staying home because I will be outside making snow angels.
	I just heard, who was it?
	It was Larry.
	Larry Elder.
	Who was bitching and moaning about the potential for snow.
	It's like... Really?
	What a human being.
	I mean, really?
	I am so excited.
	They said it's gonna drop to a thousand feet and I'm at thirteen hundred, so... Can you imagine if someone on our team hated snow, Dr. G?
	Oh, no, I had to get rid of them.
	Yeah, that's me.
	Jeff, I was going to say, how was Cabo, Jeff?
	Did you love it?
	There wasn't any snow, I can tell you that.
	There was no snow.
	It was fantastic.
	It was very good.
	I liked it.
	Good, good, good.
	I went from there to Scottsdale.
	Oh, gosh.
	Yes.
	And then, didn't tell us he's not coming back till Tuesday.
	No, I told you I had the date wrong.
	Yeah, that's right!
	My vacation request was correct.
	I told you, but I just didn't tell you.
	I told you, but I gave you the wrong date.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	The vacation request was correct.
	Yeah, because I see those, right?
	Because I work for Salem, right?
	It's documented.
	I can show it to you.
	I'm only going to be gone three days.
	Yeah, I got the receipts.
	I'm like Bannon.
	I got the receipts.
	All right, guys.
	Have a good one.
	Bye.
	Thanks, Jen.
	Speaking of the President of Ohio, Expression 2 guy.
	Go ahead and show it to him.
	We found this on social media.
	That's him at the McDonald's.
	No way!
	Alright, send me that now.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Stat!
	I'll send you the tweet I found it in.
	Stat.
	But those hats say 45.
	They... Uh oh.
	Uh oh.
	That is a mistake.
	Hang on.
	Are we sure that's today?
	That is today.
	That's definitely right.
	Okay, good.
	I think the hat... I think someone had a 47 hat that gave him the sign.
	Oh, okay.
	Nice.
	Let's go to your... Title for that with Jen?
	Why are we selling 45 and 47 shirts?
	Well, stop bloody well coming up with these ideas during the show.
	You should be coming up with them every Tuesday morning in our discussion.
	45 and 47.
	And what was the other thing?
	Good guy, right?
	Good guy with a gun.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Alright, good.
	Alright, excellent.
	For that one, there was a lot talked about in those two segments.
	Vivek for the sake of, you know, it's... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Our take on Vivek... Vivek at Vivek Ramaswamy wanting to be president.
	What about Chief of Staff?
	Or do you think he's not politically involved enough?
	He's more of an economic guy.
	You gotta know how DC runs.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You gotta know how DC runs.
	Kushner-like position would make sense.
	40 seconds.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I told you.
	Sorry, cut three, but I'll tee it up.
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	What do you guys think?
	Jeff, Eric, Alex, what do you think of Vivek Ramaswamy throwing his hat in?
	Let's start with you, Alex.
	Are you keen?
	What do you think of this?
	I don't think he's seeing the chance, but I think it's good.
	What about him inside of the administration?
	Because he's such a good businessman.
	I like what you said, that he'd be good on, like, an economic council.
	Right, like doing the Jad Kushner thing.
	I could really see him doing that.
	Eric, you're not a fan, are you?
	No, because, yeah, he definitely does not have the experience, and he's been compared to J.D.
	Vance's career, you know, he wrote a book, you know, Yale and everything, but I think, if anything, again, J.D.
	Vance started off running for Senate in Ohio, and there was a lot of buzz that Vivek might run for Senate in Ohio next year, that Senate seat, Democrats up for re-election.
	Right.
	I think he would have been better off running there instead of running for President, personally.
	Mr. G?
	First of all, you usually don't always win the first time you run.
	Reagan won three times, Biden's been running for like 40 years.
	And I like the guy.
	I like the message.
	And as I said before, I think he's going to peel votes away from the Florida governor.
	So you're thinking about it tactically?
	Yes.
	I think he might get six, 7% in the polls.
	People like the message, but he's not going to pull away from Trump.
	He's going to pull away from DeSantis, which is why the establishment all last week has been screaming.
	We need a two man race to be able to take out Trump.
	Is this what we're going to call him from now on the show?
	The Florida governor?
	No, I'll call him Ron DeStablishment is my name.
	Ron DeStablishment.
	All right, we've got to send that to Mar-a-Lago.
	Ron DeStablishment.
	What about the idea, Jeff, of having him in the next Trump administration?
	I like that a lot, especially what you're saying, some type of Kushner role like that.
	I think he would be a big time value add.
	All right, guys.
	Love it.
	Thank you for the input.
	Okay, what do we do now?
	We have, yeah, let's talk a little bit about, let's talk about the CIA.
	I've never heard of this person before.
	Allegedly he's written a book and clearly he's of Greek extraction, Mark Polyamor Polis.
	And he just gave an interview on the mainstream media after allegedly serving in the CIA for 26 years.
	Think about what this means that this is the kind of person who spent more than two decades in the heart of the intelligence community.
	This is cut three.
	So it's pretty extraordinary because if Donald Trump had actually won the election, think about Ukraine would be part of Russia.
	The NATO alliance would have been shattered.
	So elections really do matter.
	And so I think, you know, with Biden's trip to Europe, you know, he is he is welcomed as not only the frankly the savior of Ukraine, but also the savior of Europe as a whole.
	And Joe, watching that speech yesterday, all I could think of was someone that I think both of us admire.
	That's Ronald Reagan.
	Where do you begin?
	How long was that clip?
	That was what?
	26 seconds.
	So first he said if President Trump were president, Putin would have taken all of Ukraine.
	How come he didn't do that?
	When he was president.
	I'm confused.
	Why does he only invade when Biden becomes president?
	Then Mark Polymeropoulos says he's not only the savior of Ukraine, he's the savior of Europe.
	Hey, Mr. G, do you think the people of Afghanistan think Biden is the savior of Afghanistan?
	The savior of Europe.
	I'm sorry.
	That is the best thing I've ever heard.
	Do you think the Afghans think of Biden as a savior?
	I would definitely say they do not think that at all.
	And then Eric, how about this man, 26 years in the CIA, saying, well, you know what this reminds me of?
	I mean, especially as he's falling up the stairs of Air Force One.
	This is like Reagan, Eric.
	Oh yeah, totally Reagan-esque.
	I mean, President Reagan, who previously was the oldest man ever elected president, he totally would call on a dead person in the audience, someone who died, like, weeks ago.
	Like, oh yeah, where is she?
	Oh, she's not here.
	Like, yeah, Reagan totally did things like that.
	And called his sister his wife and his wife his sister.
	Don't forget that class act that he did there.
	Alright, we've got to repost that on all social media because that tells you, these people, 26 years!
	That means that level of political ideological indoctrination was inside the skiffs, was inside the CIA for decades.
	That's the deep state, that's all you need to know.
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	He was involved in some type of scandal to where he lost his pension, and he was doing anything he could to try to get a job on MSNBC.
	I'm dead serious.
	Has he done any media before?
	No, I've never seen him before.
	I just saw that he's got some book out.
	Certainly haven't heard his name at the Examiner before.
	Oh, I forgot to mention that.
	Of course that bloody article was in the Examiner.
	Oh, he writes for the Examiner?
	Yep.
	That was, yeah.
	In the chat, the Rumble chat, MDD1924 says, this guy must have been a janitor at Langley.
	No!
	According to his bio, he was an ops officer in counter-terrorism in the Middle East.
	It's shocking.
	Goodness.
	And for him to try to pretend, of all things, for him to pretend that he likes Reagan, you know someone like that doesn't like Ronald Reagan.
	Of course.
	Okay.
	Also got to add, like, savior of Europe, even if that was true, I'm pretty sure we don't elect presidents of the United States to be saviors of Europe.
	Right.
	You know, it's like President Trump said, I was elected to represent Pittsburgh, not Paris.
	Aye, aye, aye.
	We hear activity.
	SkyPoint out.
	Mics are on.
	90 seconds.
	Alright, we've been talking politics all day, Dave.
	What do we need to talk about?
	Yeah, whatever you want.
	Whatever the Holy Spirit modes you.
	No, but you're the guy who's watching the markets and the economy.
	Yeah, well, the guy Morgan Stanley came out today on a pretty pessimistic note, their analyst.
	And I got a few charts.
	I got charts up on the debt.
	The leading indicators are all negative.
	There's a few headlines out there right now on Finviz.
	The head of Morgan Stanley is going Pretty negative.
	I'll read you the headline.
	There's also that household debt's highest since 2008.
	Oh, yeah, the household debt.
	Household debt's a trillion.
	We'll talk about that.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Oh, and NPR has cut their staff by 10%.
	That's how bad it's getting.
	What?
	Are they getting rid of the private chef?
	The sushi chef?
	No!
	The tote bag makers.
	Can we hire the chef?
	35 seconds.
	All right, stand by.
	I'm going to do the...
	Global liquidity, by the way, is still high.
	Come in with cut nine.
	Come in with cut nine.
	No liner.
	Margey.
	Yep, 20 seconds.
	One of my concerns here is that this footage actually, I believe, belongs to the American This is property of the U.S.
	government.
	So I don't see any justification for only releasing that footage to Tucker Carlson.
	So I think, you know, one of my concerns as a journalist is, okay, let's make sure that we can have legitimate news organizations Who actually function as news organizations with all the responsibilities that journalism entails.
	Legitimate news organizations like the one you're appearing on MSNBC.
	Who does Mara Gay work for?
	Is she like the New York Times?
	Yes.
	So news organizations like the New York Times that peddled the Russia hoax for six years.
	Until they admitted, uh, yeah, that's Hunter Biden's laptop.
	Wow.
	These people, does she believe that?
	I don't know.
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	All right, let's go deep dive on the economy with our regular guest, a good friend of the show, former congressman.
	He is the dean of the business school at that superlative organization, Liberty University, Dean David Bratt.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Great to be on, Zeb.
	Thanks.
	All right.
	There's so much to discuss.
	Everybody needs to bookmark brateconomics.com.
	That's brateconomics.com.
	They need to follow you on Getter at Brat Economics.
	But talk to us about what's happening with the figures coming out on household debt, Morgan Stanley's negative pronouncements.
	How serious are these indices?
	Yeah, I've been surprised.
	I mean, today is the first time in a while I've seen some of the Main Street banking houses go pretty negative.
	There's a few out there, you know, just go out to Finviz and they load about five or six stories a day that try to capture what's going on.
	And they got Gunlack out there, Bloomberg, Yahoo News, Bank of America, Morgan Stanley, all of their analysts.
	What does that mean?
	That's a term of art for people like you.
	What does no soft landing mean for the rest of us?
	Yeah, well, even on the real economy, no soft landing means maybe we don't even go into recession, right?
	Every economist six months ago was saying we're going to be in recession, in particular by this half of 23.
	There were some folks backing off of that two months ago.
	And so a soft landing would be, you know, maybe 0% economic growth.
	Maybe we get 1% economic growth.
	Now, the new feeling based on data, right?
	These folks are smart.
	They do this for a living and they lose money if they're wrong.
	All of a sudden, something has shifted.
	The sentiment has shifted.
	And so I've been on Brat Economics, you can go out there, and I've posted the leading economic indicators, LEI.
	Everybody uses that as a real benchmark.
	That is going all down.
	You'll see some detail on that.
	The world expert on productivity just came out with a paper Robert Nelson out at Northwestern University, and he expects 1% productivity growth for the next decade.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Can we just stop there?
	I mean, I'm no economist, but 1% growth for a decade?
	I'm sorry, that sounds scary, Dave.
	Well, it is scary.
	Capital investment is growing at 0.3% right now.
	In your econ book, that's the main cause of economic growth.
	There's actually another one that's more important but harder to measure.
	It's the innovation, ideas, entrepreneurship, animal spirits.
	It's called total factor productivity.
	Robert Gordon also studies that.
	That's what produces growth, right?
	That's Adam Smith and Robert Schumpeter.
	Creative destruction and all that kind of thing.
	And if you don't have that, you don't grow.
	So what are we doing to stimulate that?
	And the answer is the easiest proxy is just look at K-12 education.
	What are we teaching our kids versus what are the Indians and Chinese teaching their kids?
	They're going hardcore, quantitative, database, coding, computer science, and we're studying pronouns.
	And for real, I mean, I shouldn't joke about it because this is going to impact the kids.
	And then also on the kids, What's going to slow down and drag the economy long term to low productivity growth?
	Well, the CBO came out last week and added $20 trillion in debt over the next 10 years.
	So we're at $30 trillion in debt now, $10 trillion, and the growth of interest rate payments is double that of growth in spending.
	And so the interest payments now at, you know, four or five percent interest rates are going to dominate and grow and grow and grow.
	These are all kinds of figures that the mere mortal cannot comprehend.
	Let me ask about what's happening right now.
	Another half a billion dropped in Kiev for Ukraine.
	Does the spending, does that kind of spending have any impact or are these all just drops in the bucket?
	No, sure.
	I mean, it's military spending.
	It's the same as environmental green spending or whatever.
	Of course, it's spending.
	It's government spending.
	They're taking your tax dollars.
	They're spending it.
	So it's GDP growth.
	It's GDP growth in the short run.
	But it doesn't create economic growth.
	Right.
	And so the left is calling all of this investment.
	It is not capital investment.
	It's not total factor productivity.
	It's almost total factor unproductivity, right?
	The Chinese and the globalists don't want us to grow.
	So everything you see unfolding before your eyes right now With a spoon.
	is taking away from growth k-12 curriculums across the country uh going to war uh you know milton friedman always had the funny you know kind of joke is like everyone well it creates jobs let's just create jobs and milton friedman's famous quip was well if you want to create jobs just have everyone do do construction and infrastructure with a teaspoon with a spoon yeah that'll create a lot of jobs find Great!
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	Production.
	Production.
	Not economic, GDP.
	Expression two.
	I found another picture of the president cited at McDonald's.
	Oh, I'm going to use both.
	Oh, wow.
	Send that to me.
	Yeah.
	And I want to use both of those in the next segment.
	So good.
	We're headed to like...
	You know how they talk about Japan that lost decade?
	Yeah.
	Where they had like no growth for ten years?
	Right.
	I feel like that's exactly what's going to happen here.
	Yeah, but you know how much the president could turn that around, especially if he got aggressive on China and Mexico.
	Yeah, exactly.
	title for that brat segment um um Biden's economy colon no soft landing mm-hmm Just like his walk-up Air Force One.
	Just like his walk-up Air Force One.
	That's a little bit long.
	That time's a little bit long.
	You should invest in some knee pads at this point.
	Alright, not coming in with anything.
	Uh, what have we not used?
	There's a few we haven't used.
	Um... Or actually... Oh, we have plate washer.
	Ten.
	We haven't used ten.
	Thirty seconds.
	Yeah, I'll probably use ten.
	Alright, you'll see it up.
	All right.
	Can't handle the truth?
	Is reality just too much?
	There's always NPR.
	I hear they have tote bags.
	This is America First with Sebastian Gorka.
	I love that.
	I love that.
	Dear friends, we've got some amazing pictures that Mr. G and Eric have located.
	Mr. G said some big SUV stopped outside a McDonald's near East Palestine in Ohio.
	And yeah, it's true.
	President Trump was inside.
	Look at these happy faces.
	Oh my gosh.
	Handing out the Make America Great Again hats.
	Look at those smiles.
	In the next one, you can actually see the president.
	Now that's how you know.
	Unlike, what was it?
	Where was it?
	Chicago at 3 a.m.
	That's supposed to mean MAGA land.
	That's Trump country.
	That's MAGA land.
	However, the left isn't happy with Magaland, isn't happy with what's happening even here in the swamp, because what did Kevin McCarthy do just this week?
	44,000 hours of footage from the January 6th, what shall we call it?
	Contretemps on Capitol Hill that you're not supposed to see!
	But Kevin McCarthy gave it to Tucker Carlson, whose team are working on it assiduously, but that Absolute disgrace to the former federal badge he carried, former Special Agent Frank Figliussi, had this to say on MSNBC.
	The other concern, of course, obviously, is the security concerns that arise from false conspiracy theories.
	We know they are dangerous.
	We know they lead to violence.
	And so, if, for example, this host on Fox decides to play only things that indicate Or allow him to blow up conspiracy theories.
	Oh look, that looks like a fed.
	Oh look, it looks like someone instigated this.
	Oh look, there's an hour of people doing nothing peacefully.
	If that keeps going forward and it's ginned up into the notion that all the prosecutions are witch hunts against people who were violent January 6th, then it could really pose a danger and a threat in terms of violence.
	Conspiracy theories that lead to threats of violence or actual violence.
	Oh, uh, like BLM?
	Like Carl Rittenhouse killed three black men?
	Really?
	Those kinds of conspiracy theories?
	Hey, Eric, what was wrong with that guy?
	I mean, A, his two eyes look like, like pits of hell, these dark coals.
	And then why was he blinking?
	It was like, it was like watching a prisoner of war trying to do Morse code with his eyelids.
	That was almost like, yeah, like he's a prisoner trying to send an SOS or something, but I just, I see those eyes, that's what I noticed first, and I think of that line from Jaws, lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eyes.
	Like a doll's eyes, totally!
	That is perfectly put.
	It could be Morse code, that's the question, but what is he saying?
	I really am that stupid, I'm Frank Figliucci, I don't know.
	Alright guys, I heard an interview recently with somebody who, um, Well, he used to manage a lot of money for Peter Thiel.
	Peter Thiel's a smart guy, and if you're managing his money, you're probably as smart as Peter.
	And he said, crypto, Bitcoin, it's all a con.
	And we've got him next, here on America First.
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	Let's see if I've got a pencil.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Eric.
	Yeah?
	Can you put on camera two?
	Oh, in preview or just, oh, yeah.
	You can put it in preview.
	I'll wrap a preview mark to the set number.
	I love that it still has the orange tip.
	Alright, so... You're not even gonna see it, are you?
	Oh, four?
	Put on four, sorry.
	Geeky, can you put on four, please?
	In preview.
	Oh, yeah, I see how it needs.
	Oh, good.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, that works.
	Nice.
	Alright, so I'm gonna just mark it.
	Oh, yeah, take a photograph.
	Is it heavy?
	Yeah, it is.
	How does that look?
	That looks good.
	That's it there.
	And then I'm just gonna mark the bottom of the stock.
	I'll talk to Garrett about getting some wood blocks or something that we can put over there.
	Yeah.
	And then I got an email from them too.
	They said Kerry approved a lot of their mics, so we're going to change the mics out.
	We're going to look at a couple.
	We're going to purchase one.
	We're going to bring it in here.
	We'll test it, see how it listens, see how it sounds.
	members.
	Right.
	We can do it. .
	Let's put something in there.
	What do you want?
	Alright, I'll send you the link first.
	You know, pay for supply.
	Okay.
	Lesson.
	Ready?
	Okay.
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	Thank you.
	You mentioned Bitcoin.
	You said you didn't know what we were talking about.
	We pretty much always have some crypto conversation with you.
	I'm just curious, because I don't think we've talked to you since... I think all that's been a waste of time, and why you guys waste any breath on this is totally beyond me.
	Because you just think the whole thing just is... Going to zero?
	Going to zero and it's fake?
	Bitcoin itself is a hyped-up fraud.
	It's a pet rock.
	You're back to that?
	Really?
	Of course, yeah.
	A hyped-up fraud at Pet Rock.
	Who is that person?
	How dare he undermine a thing that so many people think is the future of finance?
	Oh, he's just Jamie Dimon, former board member of the New York Fed and chairman of JP Morgan.
	I'm no economist, but I have a sneaking suspicion he may be right.
	Let's talk to somebody who actually knows of what he speaks when it comes to cryptos, blockchains, Bitcoin.
	An individual who I just heard recently on my buddy's The Trigonometry podcast.
	We're delighted to have him on the show.
	I'm going to read his title because it's a very impressive one.
	He's Michael Green, Chief Strategist and Portfolio Manager for Simplify Asset Management.
	Michael, welcome to America First.
	Thank you very much for having me, Sebastian.
	Now, I'm no economist.
	I do know the difference between the Austrian school and the Keynesian school.
	I do agree it is the dismal science, as one very famous economist said to me, economics is the science of proving that water flows downhill.
	If you've got a good sense of common sense, then you don't need much else.
	I was delighted to hear your interview with my buddies Francis Foster and Konstantin Kisin, because You gave us a little bit of a peek behind the curtain of what is problematic with Bitcoin, why FTX happened, what the relevance of blockchain as a technology is.
	And it was a cold shower, I'm sure, for many people who heard it, who were exuberant over this new technology.
	Several times in that interview, Michael, the phrase Ponzi scheme came up.
	So, will you help us understand this sentence, for example, that the whole phenomena requires constant inflows of fiat currency until a utility emerges.
	Until then, it's a Ponzi scheme.
	Why should we be cautious with Bitcoin and with all of these forms of new transaction?
	Well, there's unique challenges associated with each of them.
	And I just want to emphasize that at the core of the observation around crypto or Bitcoin is actually a fundamental truth, which is we currently exist in a world that's still dominated by what's called the analog, right?
	The non-digital tools of finance.
	Stock certificates are delivered in paper form.
	The paper dollars that you have in your wallet have security measures associated with them in the form of digits that are similar to the hashtags that would be associated with a Bitcoin security system, etc.
	So we are in this process of moving to a digital currency based system, a more natively digital system.
	The problem is, is that the underlying theory and philosophy behind Bitcoin has effectively built Um, a false, uh, story or a false narrative around what it actually is and can it become money without the support of the state?
	So in this, the simplest form, when you think about Bitcoin, Bitcoin is the accounting tokens that are distributed.
	Bitcoin itself is the accounting tokens that are distributed to miners for doing the security work, effectively the auditing of the Bitcoin system, right?
	It's no different than a corporation paying its accountants.
	The difference is it's being paid in that native token.
	Right, so let's break this down because this is a very very useful explication that you did with the guys on Trigonometry that Bitcoin is just the way you pay these people who have to run these big servers that are using blockchain to create the next blockchain to verify a series of transactions and the jump of logic or the leap of faith is that
	The so-called currency you're using to pay these people to do the backroom data crunching for these transactions in and of itself becomes the sexy thing.
	And people outside the system say, oh, my gosh, I can get rich quick.
	This is like a lottery ticket and there's no – it is a sure win.
	As I listened to what I was hearing, it was like almost a cult-like phenomenon.
	It felt like a cult being run by Britney Spears that the cool kids, the millennials, think it's a get rich quick thing.
	But there's actually the utility of the whole system.
	Let's focus down on one thing.
	The blockchain technology you said in that interview is much slower and not as useful as people are saying.
	People are saying it's going to change everything now and that's not exactly the case, is it Michael?
	It's not exactly the case, and so just very quickly to understand what blockchain's key innovation was is, again, using the accounting analogy, right?
	When a corporation or you hire your tax accountant, basically only two people are there to verify the records, right?
	You and your accountant.
	Your bank may play a role, your doctor may play a role in certain records, etc., right?
	But there isn't the ability for me to verify what everybody else is seeing at the same time.
	I don't have direct access to the accounts of Coca-Cola or JP Morgan or anyone else for that matter, right?
	What blockchain's innovation is, is that it's distributed those databases broadly.
	That allows lots of people to check and verify and see what's going on.
	But the process of distributing it broadly, Also slows the system down.
	Now there's all sorts of workarounds that are being introduced, things like the lightning network, which are effectively tools that are being built to reduce the actual processing that's happening on the blockchain side.
	But really what you're seeing with Bitcoin and the reason that you hear so much about it is because if I'm going to pay my accountants in a token, let's just call the mic bucks, right?
	If I'm going to pay my accountants in that token, I have to be able to convince my accountants that that token is valuable to get them to continue doing the work.
	It's very natural for me to go out and promote MikeCoin and say to people, boy, you should really get some of this MikeCoin because it's the future of finance.
	By introducing the secondary purchasers, I create the value.
	This was explicitly laid out in a fantastic interview by Sam Bankman-Fried of FTX with Matt Levine and Joe Weisenthal of Bloomberg in which he introduced the entire idea.
	Let's pretend there's a box and we're going to put stuff in the box and we're going to call that box having valuable.
	Right.
	That's why it is a cult.
	It is actually a belief system.
	So you agree with me?
	You agree with me?
	It's a cult?
	Oh, of course.
	Of course it has to be, right?
	Now, the pushback, of course, is, is the U.S.
	dollar a cult?
	We'll get to that.
	We'll get to that and gold and the gold standard and fiat currency in a second.
	But can you just, because I hear this all the time, I had colleagues in the National Security Council when I was in the White House, especially in the cyber division, who were like ecstatic about blockchain.
	They said, this is the future of everything, not just finance, but national security, keeping our code secret and everything else.
	Why should I trust this system?
	You say it makes it all the more trustworthy because there's lots of people verifying the system, but can't a large system of different Data centers and different miners also be crippled by a virus?
	Or can't it be hacked?
	Or can't you have a multi-level Ponzi scheme?
	Why does lots of people with servers in their basement, why should I trust them any more than I trust anybody else, Michael?
	This is the thing where I kind of see, okay, the trust thing, but why?
	Well, so that's actually a great question, and it's what the system is designed to deal with, right?
	So in today's world, you put up Jamie Dimon, for example, most individual Americans would say, I don't really trust Jamie Dimon, right?
	His interests are not aligned with mine.
	Um, that can put me in a situation in which I seek some other mechanism for trust, right?
	And so a broadly distributed database in which everybody has access to the underlying information and theoretically nobody could be lying, right?
	That sounds like a wonderful innovation.
	And in some ways it is.
	That's what you were hearing from your national security buddies, et cetera, who were turning around and say, wow, this is actually really impressive.
	I can put this in a distributed database.
	And unless there's consensus around what's embedded here.
	We're not going to append the database.
	We're not going to add the next entry, right?
	Effectively, it is a trust and verify type dynamic.
	But who does that?
	What's the mechanism of verification?
	Is there a vote amongst millions of people who are miners?
	What is the mechanism for appending that next, you know, agreement of that transaction?
	What is the mechanics of verifiable trustworthy information just because it's on a bit chain?
	Well, blockchain.
	Blockchain.
	That's okay.
	So the underlying mechanism that is deployed is this mining process, right?
	This accounting process.
	And if I am the first to arrive at what is effectively a random mathematical solution, right?
	It's what's called elliptical math.
	I'm solving for effectively a curve, a very complex curve.
	Totally irrelevant what I'm actually doing.
	I could be solving for triangles or anything else.
	I'm just highlighting that's the actual math.
	Once I win that, then I win the right to make the next entry into the database.
	That's what the miner is effectively doing.
	Again, the accountant is proving their worth through the work that they've done in this process.
	Hang on a second.
	So you solve a mathematical problem and that's your credentialing for being the quote-unquote accountant?
	It is, which if you actually think about it, is really not that alien to the whole idea of accounting itself, right?
	Did I make the books balance?
	Right?
	Right, but I could be a bad faith actor who's just good at solving math problems.
	Absolutely correct.
	And so the question is, the question is, how much am I willing to invest behind that?
	And that's the critical insight behind Bitcoin, et cetera, is if I'm willing to put a lot of resources into the system, Then I begin to dominate it.
	It's actually less an issue, and this is one of the positives associated with Bitcoin and blockchain, and also the negatives, right?
	The positive is, if I'm actually willing to put that money up, I'm probably pretty serious about it, right?
	Yeah, but if it's somebody else's money that is being put up because they think it's cool, sexy and trendy, and they want to be part of this lottery they think they have to win, Then, of course, having a lot of money in the black box isn't the best metric.
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	You have been able to pull this thing off without your mathematics degree or it has been the pillar of your trading activity?
	Yeah, absolutely could pull it off without my math degree.
	I use very little math.
	When you start out as, like, an intern and you, you know, do something and accidentally lose, you know, maybe a thousand dollars for your desk, you're like, oh god, like, everyone's gonna hate me now, like, this is terrible.
	And yeah, over time you have to sort of, yeah, get comfortable with larger and larger swings of money.
	Yeah, I'm trying to think of a good example of a trade where I've lost a ton of money.
	Well, I don't know.
	I probably don't want to go into specifics too much with that.
	Yeah, I wouldn't either because they may be used against you in a court of law that That is, Bankman Freed's girlfriend, Caroline Ellison, saying, math?
	Who needs math?
	You just need to con people into a great Ponzi scheme.
	Of course, that's FTX.
	Michael, you said something else on your interview with our buddies at Trigonometry.
	You said, of course, Bitcoin is, you know, an accounting system and you're paying the miners to build the next part of the blockchain.
	However, the problem came when it turned into a speculation on the tokens made to pay the miners.
	Explain how that played into FTX and what you think the consequences of this massive collapse are.
	Is this going to be a blip on the radar?
	Is Bitcoin and blockchain the future?
	How significant is this one story?
	I think this one story is indicative of the broader concerns in the space.
	It's clearly caught the most attention and it clearly has had the biggest impact on the system at this point.
	It also perversely, though, has created conditions under which it's very difficult for people to obtain and sell Bitcoin right now, which is in turn contributing to a rally that we're seeing in Bitcoin.
	And that's really going back to the speculation component and the real understanding of what's going on here.
	If you're going to pay your accountants or anyone else, you have to try to create the perception of value in the token so that they in turn can sell it to pay their bills, whether that's the electricity bill to run the mining operations, whether that's employee salaries, et cetera.
	Ultimately, individuals need to get back into what's referred to as the fiat currency, either the dollar, the euro, the yen, so that they can live their daily lives, right?
	Now, if you can create the perception that this token has value and that it should be hodled or held as a speculative instrument for appreciation, that means that the demand is likely to exceed the supply of the Bitcoin and therefore the price goes up.
	That gives the perception that something wonderful and magical is happening here, that we're watching de novo currency being created.
	And is it fair to say this is like a fiat currency on steroids?
	Or does the base utility for the miners mean that it's not a fiat currency?
	It is absolutely not a fiat currency.
	A fiat currency, by definition, requires a mechanism of enforcement and settlement by a government.
	The reason, and this is going to frustrate the hell out of your audience, but the reason you need dollars at the end of the day is to pay taxes.
	Right.
	Right, you made this point that because we live in a Westphalian system, where there is a monopoly of violence, the state can put you in prison, you have to pay taxes, only they have the police force and the military.
	You made this fascinating point that money, all the money out there, whether it's the dollar, the pound, is actually a way for settling debt, that's why it exists, and it's a way for tax systems to function.
	Isn't this the big problem, that you said it repeatedly, Bitcoin is great for money launderers and those who are suffering in dictatorial systems who want to have an end run around a corrupt banking system running that authoritarian regime.
	Well, what about non-authoritarian regimes that don't want you to be able to do an end run around the tax system?
	Does this mean that there is Eventually, a death sentence that has to be executed against these currencies because they don't fit into the Westphalian system of taxation and monopoly of force?
	Unfortunately, I think that's correct, right?
	And when you say Westphalian, you're just referring to the modern state, right?
	The nation state.
	The nation state, correct?
	So I just want to make sure people understand that.
	It is very frustrating to recognize that government is integral to our system of life, right?
	And taxes are, just like death, one of the two unavoidable things that we have.
	You know, that's very frustrating.
	And in a situation like we have today in the United States, where the system is not perceived as working for many members of society, particularly the young, Who are not seeing the benefit of taxes, who are increasingly burdened with the opportunities that those who came before them had available to them.
	So, for example, explosive costs for college education, etc.
	It's very gratifying or it's very understandable that they're searching for a way out or to change the system in their favor, right?
	But it's a distraction and it's ultimately... Hang on, this is really interesting.
	So the popularity Of this quasi-currency you think is in part a function of the dispossessed and the millennials who say this whole system has no room for me and I want to be part of a system that will reward me because I understand it?
	Is that part and parcel of the trendiness of all of these Bitcoin variations?
	Absolutely.
	There's almost no question in my mind.
	That's one of the reasons why I raised my voice, to say I understand the motivation behind the system.
	I understand the frustration with the existing system, but unfortunately this is a distraction and a dead end, and it's ultimately just going to make things worse.
	And then what is the eventual corrective?
	Is it going to be five years from now, all the 200 nations of the world say, you know, we outlawed this and we're replacing it with our own central bank digital currencies?
	What's the obvious end state scenario?
	So I think that's ultimately going to end up being the dynamic that it will be banned across the majority of, as you point out, Westphalian or modern nation states.
	People will argue that it can continue, and a lot of my early discussions around Bitcoin, if you Google it on the internet, was focused on this idea of can it be stopped, right?
	Again, that accounting system, the money that is being spent is effectively the defense mechanism of the system.
	It's the security budget.
	And in nation-state terms, it's tiny.
	We're talking a couple of billion dollars a year at this point.
	This is not a system that is secure, and the bigger issue that you have with Bitcoin is that it inherently lends itself to consolidation.
	Because there is a finite quantity, an absolutely fixed quantity of Bitcoin, of the 21 million that are ever supposed to be released, something like 19 million have already been released, and I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of your audience has never Experienced the transaction in Bitcoin, held a Bitcoin on a flash drive, carried out a transaction in Bitcoin.
	And the reason I know that is because the sum total of transactions that are actually happening on the Bitcoin network are somewhere around $400 million a month, right?
	This is less than $5 billion out of a, give or take, $80 trillion global economy, right?
	It's tiny, tiny, tiny.
	But it's occupying huge mindshare because it appeals to people who are left out of the system in the same way that the lottery doesn't play a significant role in people's income stream.
	But boy, does it capture a lot of attention on the New York on the nightly news when the when somebody wins.
	Yeah.
	You know, half a billion dollars.
	Exactly.
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	I'm just going to keep on going through this list of questions I have based upon the interview you did, the superb interview you did with my buddies Constantin and Francis on Trigonometry.
	So, You said something right at the beginning that kind of blew my mind.
	I'm not an economist, I repeat.
	You said, markets are not run on information.
	Which is like, people say, it's information.
	I've got the inside scoop.
	You know, I've got the sign up for my newsletter.
	I'll give you the market scoop.
	Others say, economists say, it's about incentives.
	I like that a lot.
	You said, markets are defined by transactions.
	Especially by the big players like BlackRock and Vanguard.
	Will you explain how that works?
	Sure.
	So when we see the history of prices in a market or when we see the stock react to earnings reports, for example, we're not actually seeing the information itself.
	We're seeing people transact around that information.
	Ultimately, every transaction requires a buyer and seller.
	And so the question is, who are those and why are they transacting?
	Right?
	It's, this is one of the things that is so interesting about what's happening in our financial markets is increasingly the source of those transactions.
	The source of buying activity that we're seeing is simply a function of your paycheck or my paycheck flowing into a 401k.
	Flowing into an automatic reinvestment program, typically something like a target date fund.
	And those target date funds in turn allocating capital directly into the market with no consideration for value or information, whether it's a good business, a bad business, et cetera.
	The last transaction price is presumed to be a good price.
	That's the price you should transact at.
	And as a result, markets are moving further and further away from information content.
	and simply represent a series of transactions that are increasingly separated from that.
	But isn't that exactly how we got into the real estate crash?
	We had these assets bundled in their billions, and they were utterly disconnected from the actual economic reality of whether these people could repay the mortgages.
	Isn't that what happened in 2008?
	It was actually slightly worse than that.
	The demand for the financial assets, the need to put money to work actually encouraged people to create synthetic instruments that in turn were derivatives of derivatives, right?
	What was called a CDO squared.
	We're seeing that across all sorts of mechanisms because the simple reality is we need to invest for retirements and we're facing retirements across the baby boom generation and the Gen X generation beyond that.
	Where we simply have no real mechanism for ensuring a very long retirement that was implausible to those who came before us.
	But it sounds to me as if there's a system That should be reacting to information, but it's not reacting to information.
	It's reacting to a very select parcel of information, which is the actions of the biggest investors that are actually being triggered in a certain automaticity and aren't reflexive of the market itself.
	That sounds incredibly dangerous, Michael.
	I think it is.
	I think this is actually the unknown, the big secret, quote-unquote, to markets that is currently unknown by the vast majority of participants, is that the number of, quote-unquote, thoughtful, active, discretionary participants who would do this sort of evaluation on an individual security, either a stock or a bond, saying, do I think that this is an attractive instrument for me to invest in?
	They're very rapidly being replaced by, exactly as you describe it, automatons that put money to work simply because you have a paycheck.
	Wow.
	When the guy whose financial advice I relied upon a year ago told me it's going to get much, much worse before it gets better, I said, I need to find somebody else who agrees with you.
	I think I just did.
	He's Michael Green.
	He's a Chief Strategist and Portfolio Manager for Simplify Asset Management.
	The website is www.simplify.us.
	His Twitter profile is at ProfPlum, like Professor Plum, at ProfPlum99.
	And also check out his sub-stack, michaelwgreen.substack.com.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First One-on-One.
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	Right, so, perfect setup.
	Thank you for mentioning the... So, we had markets.
	But now the markets are being driven by the necessity of these behemoths like BlackRock and Vanguard to fund the pensions of those who put their money into these funds.
	And then you said something in that interview that I keep referencing.
	Thank you, Francis.
	Thank you, Constantine, by the way.
	You referenced Look, the impending liquidity crisis, if retirement pension conglomerates fail, if we don't manage to fund the pensions of all these people who are much larger in cohort size than the system expected, and you said thus way
	lies authoritarianism or the danger of authoritarianism when these systems collapse.
	I saw this in Central and Eastern Europe, given my family background.
	So, let's unpack this, if you would please.
	So, explain the liquidity crisis as it relates to the pension funds that all of the developed Western nations have said they're going to cover.
	So, a couple of quick things that I want to hit on.
	One is when you say pension funds, typically a pension fund is different than a traditional stock portfolio like a 401k or an IRA because there is ultimately somebody responsible for it, whether it's the state of California or the U.S.
	federal government in the case of veterans or government employees or a corporation that is traditionally offered a defined benefit plan.
	By and large, we dispensed with all of that.
	Now, the vast majority of Americans save on their own through products like 401ks or IRAs, where ultimately they are responsible for their own pension, right?
	Now, the way that we do that is by tapping into public markets.
	We buy the stock index.
	We buy a bond index.
	We accumulate them.
	We accumulate resources over time through savings that we expect to be able to sell at some point in the future.
	To create income that we can in turn, or cash flow to be more accurate, that in turn we can spend on things that we need in our very long and extended retirements that we've never had before.
	These products, the 401ks and IRAs, can be thought of as effectively giant sovereign wealth funds that are used in other countries to provide similar resources to their citizens, to their populations.
	In our case, we put it on the individual because, by and large, we chose to shed that responsibility.
	You mean as a nation?
	Both as a nation and as employers, etc.
	The 1970s were all about employers shedding the obligation associated with defined benefit plans, creating the opportunity to lay people off, improve the efficiency of our economic system, etc.
	The problem is that we've used those systems, those market systems, to try to deliver something in quote-unquote guaranteed form or nearly guaranteed form that we simply can't do.
	That's not what they're for.
	We tried to provide the surety of the government pension with a private instrument and it's failing, correct?
	It will almost certainly fail because at some point there will be an excess of sellers relative to buyers.
	And again, this goes back to what markets actually represent.
	If there are an excess of sellers versus buyers, then prices go down.
	If I think about something like a passive index fund, the price going down doesn't result in any change.
	It simply says if, if the rules of my index, right, and this is the construction of all index funds, If you give me cash, then buy.
	If you ask for cash, then sell.
	So the mechanical liquidation into lower and lower prices actually has the perverse dynamic of as you're saving, you're paying higher prices for the stuff that you're saving.
	And when you go to sell, you can see the markets crash.
	That creates conditions under which everybody ends up much poorer than they currently believe.
	The economy obviously suffers under those conditions.
	That's the fear that I have, right?
	And you saw this in Eastern Europe, as an example.
	You've seen this in basically every democracy that has failed, whether it's Russia, where the pension system failed, or even going back to Rome, where the pension system for soldiers, the land banks that were granted to soldiers when that property turned out to be largely worthless because of corruption, You saw the democracy of the Republic of Rome fall, right?
	This is the path that we're heading down when we try to actually liquidate these resources.
	The question is, what is the price we're going to get for it?
	Bitcoin just gave us a perfect example of what happens when more people try to sell than buy.
	2022, similar story in broader markets.
	So you're faced with this condition of liquidity that people just don't think about when they think about markets representing information.
	They think about it being earnings, how's the economy doing, et cetera, as if it's predicting that it's not.
	It's just the balance of transactions.
	Given what you know and what you manage and what you advise, what level of scenario are we talking about?
	Are we talking about, you know, a stock market collapse that basically affects all the nations where these kinds of funds exist?
	Or is it just going to be America that has peculiarly divested all of this liability onto the individual and therefore a 1K?
	What is the likely scenario that you see?
	Unfortunately, America is further down this path than anywhere else.
	We have more passive in our markets than any other country.
	There's a paper, an academic paper that came out in 2022 called Double What You Think that actually looks at the prevalence of passive investing in the United States and comes to the conclusion that it's about two times what people had thought.
	It's rapidly approaching 50% of the market.
	My simulations suggest that once you cross 50%, because remember what's happening with a passive vehicle, if it's given the instruction to buy, it'll buy at any price.
	We saw this in the nonsense with the meme stocks in 2021, where the price of a stock can explode 5, 6, 700, 10,000% almost overnight with no real change to the fundamentals, simply because it experiences what's called inelasticity.
	People who hold it are unwilling to sell.
	Those who are forced to buy back into a short squeeze have to buy.
	And meanwhile, an entity like Vanguard or BlackRock basically is sitting there saying, I don't see anything happening, right?
	Because no actual information matters to them, right?
	And perversely, the way the system actually works is if the price goes up, they buy more of that with the next incremental dollar.
	The website is www.simplify.us, Twitter profile is profplum99, and the substack is michaelwgreen.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	So, I didn't ask you at the beginning, I don't know, you know, I hate putting people into boxes, whether you follow a specific school of economic theory, but you were very explicit that we have arrived at this untenable situation because of certain things that we decided to do as a nation in the 70s and 80s.
	In order to prevent the next apocalypse, what should we be returning to?
	When we think about preparing for the future, should we be back at a government insured pension system, as in the UK?
	Or is there some hybrid version?
	How do we prevent the next crash, the one after next crash of all of these funds?
	So the perverse dynamic is that what we have taken away from our society is the propensity for real risk-taking, even as we substitute speculation for risk-taking.
	Explain the difference.
	So risk-taking would be me deciding that I'm going to leave my family, go to the Western frontier, and try to eke an existence out of undeveloped land, right?
	That's a huge risk.
	Are there bears?
	Are there Native American tribes, et cetera, that represent risk to me, my family, et cetera?
	And by the way, nobody is there to bail me out if that problem occurs.
	On the flip side of that equation, if somebody did something like that, there was a sense of community that was there to help them, Barn raising to help somebody new to the community, recognizing that the investments that we each made as a community, whether that was through a religious organization or through a society in the de Tocqueville framework, those sorts of investments actually create real value.
	And the 19th century was all about rule changes that were designed to facilitate risk-taking.
	Things like personal bankruptcy, right?
	So you don't go to debtor's prison if you take a risk and it fails, right?
	Things like limited liability corporations encouraging investors to put equity into firms, recognizing that the most that they could lose is that equity.
	They don't become permanently liable for all the debts so that everybody becomes effectively a risk taker in the economy.
	We've been unwinding that for the last 50 years, and that's incredibly frustrating to me, right?
	Whether it's We've introduced things like speculation around retirement, but as hopefully is clear, your individual choices, by and large, aren't actually what's driving that performance.
	We're all part of a system that has feedback loops embedded in it.
	And, you know, the scariest statistic, by the way, that came out of the COVID experience in March of 2020 was a very quiet announcement made with some pride from Vanguard that less than 1% of their investors tried to sell.
	Now, my reaction to that is, oh my God, what if it had been two?
	There's actually a piece that just came out in the Financial Times today that highlights the impact of passive investing in bond funds and how it robs the market of liquidity in crisis events.
	So, the academic details and information is exploding that basically says what we're doing is the wrong approach.
	But by that less than 1%, doesn't that mean that they're just totally detached from reality?
	It means that they have been taught to buy the dip, to stay the course, that markets return 8% give or take, plus or minus 1 or 2% if you hold it over a long enough time period.
	Jeremy Siegel, who was a professor of mine, stocks for the long run.
	I'm sorry, but that's, I think the polite term is a bunch of crap.
	Stocks react to transaction behavior.
	Right.
	That's what's really going on.
	We mentioned it in passing previously.
	Let's try and maybe close on this and then maybe ask you some advice.
	Digital currencies, state mandated digital currencies, a lot of people see this as I'm terrified of that outcome, and it's part of the reason why I actually speak up on this.
	and how inevitable is the idea that everything will be controlled by the state and you can be canceled by the flick of a switch for political purposes?
	I'm terrified of that outcome, and it's part of the reason why I actually speak up on this.
	It is inevitable that we will move to state digital currencies.
	We have a limited window of opportunity to influence the development of those.
	It is, you know, almost universal that bureaucrats and regulators see the ability to violate privacy through something like a digital currency and say, wow, isn't that great?
	I can stop all sorts of bad behavior that I don't want.
	I occupy a slightly different node, right?
	I mean, to steal from Bitcoin.
	I actually think you're sending a signal.
	The whole point of me engaged in bad activity is to send a signal that the system itself is not appropriately handling things.
	So if I want to make a bet with my next door neighbor for $20 that the eagles are going to lose, right, whatever.
	That's not the government's business, right?
	And we actually have rules around cash that if it's less than $10,000, if it's a moderate amount of money, and I know that can seem like a lot of money to people, but if it's a moderate amount of money, it's really not the government's business.
	I don't have to spend any time reporting that.
	There's no reason you can't maintain that under a CBDC, a central bank digital currency.
	We could choose to emphasize those features.
	We could choose to say, you know what, as long as you don't spend $10,000 in a single unit, We don't track it, right?
	We're not going to pay attention to that because we recognize how important it is for people to have that independent voice.
	So like the rule for how much cash you can take out of the country or bring into the country, there's a ceiling under that we don't care?
	Absolutely correct.
	And by the way, that ceiling exists because it used to cost so much to enforce it.
	The risk is that digital currencies and systems of social credit take much of that cost away.
	But that's only the overt cost of monitoring and prosecution.
	Far more important is the cost to society if I start monitoring all my activity and saying, well, gosh, is Big Brother going, you know, look over my shoulder, is Big Brother going to approve?
	I don't want that.
	That's a terrible outcome.
	I want to thank you right now.
	This discussion has been far too short because you've really educated me.
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	Last question is, and I don't want you to give financial advice here, but if people, if a light has gone off, if a bulb has gone off after listening to you for the last hour, Well, this is a really challenging one.
	financial advisors, where would you recommend they begin to do their own homework?
	What should they start looking at or reading or following in order to understand the enormity of this topic and the potential dangers?
	Well, this is a really challenging one.
	One, you can Google my name and there's any number of speeches that I've given out there highlighting these issues.
	I have framed this for our regulators.
	I've highlighted these dynamics.
	And unfortunately, universally, they come back and they say, you're probably right, but there's nothing that we can do about it because the regulatory apparatus is captured by the vanguards and black rocks, right?
	Now, I want to emphasize, I don't think that there is, you know, somebody twirling their mustache at Vanguard saying, ah, ha ha, we can't wait to take down the Western system.
	I genuinely believe that they think they're doing the right thing, as, by the way, the vast majority of Bitcoiners genuinely believe that they are investing in freedom.
	But it's a mistake.
	And it's really important for people to understand that our financial system is way too levered to the insights of two 25-year-old PhDs from the 1950s, the design of the system Was the theories that we're building the system on and that are now built into regulations.
	Look at your 401k.
	Look at the choices that are available to you.
	They are universally passive and what are called target date funds.
	That's becoming increasingly the case.
	The only thing that you can actually do is one be aware and two to the extent that you have any impact whatsoever.
	Start to challenge this thought process, because we have to change it or we're going to experience real chaos.
	Who are those PhDs?
	Well, these are difficult to read, but the most important papers that have been put out are by Xavier Gabay at Harvard and Ralph Koijan, who actually I'm going to talk to in just about an hour, at the University of Chicago.
	They have a paper called The Origin of Financial Fluctuations that highlights this dynamic of transactions ultimately determining the prices.
	There's several follow-on papers associated with that.
	Marco Salmon, also at Harvard, is writing fascinating stuff.
	Jonathan Parker at MIT.
	All of this is exploding, and it's really a function of academics suddenly developing the mathematical techniques to figure out How are we impacting markets?
	I just want to emphasize for people, and this is the best place to close, as a species, regardless of what your religious affiliations are, and I'll let that go for a second, but we're a species of around 150,000 years.
	We've got roughly 10,000 years of recorded history.
	We've got, give or take, 100 years of financial market history.
	The idea that we know how this stuff works is absurd.
	We don't know what's going to happen next.
	Yeah.
	I don't think hubris is an adequate enough word.
	All right.
	You've given us so much work to do.
	I'm very, very grateful to you.
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