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Feb. 2, 2023 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Anti-American Ilhan Omar fired by Kevin McCarthy

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	Hey, buddy.
	Hey, what's going on?
	How we doing?
	Nothing much, man.
	Lots of getting ready for 2024 to get wild.
	All right, we're going to talk a little Ilhan Omar.
	What else are you working on?
	Um, all sorts of 2024 stuff, so just the broader field coming together and we'll see how it goes.
	Alright, good.
	Guys, can you play me the AOC cut?
	Cut 13.
	Go ahead and play back one, go ahead.
	There is nothing consistent with the Republican Party's continued attack except for the racism and incitement of violence against women of color in this body.
	I had a member of the Republican caucus threaten my life, and you all and the Republican caucus rewarded him with one of the most prestigious committee assignments in this Congress.
	Don't tell me this is about consistency.
	Don't tell me that this is about a condemnation of anti-Semitic remarks when you have a member of the Republican caucus who has talked about Jewish space lasers and an entire amount of tropes and also elevated her to some of the highest committee assignments in this body.
	This is about targeting women of color in the United States of America.
	Don't tell me because I didn't get a single apology.
	My life was threatened.
	Thank you.
	Who threatened her life?
	That's the Gozar thing.
	She's still hung up on the Gozar thing.
	On the tweet?
	Or what was it?
	It was an anime video.
	It was a meme editing his face onto the hero of the anime Attack on Titan killing giants with AOC's face superimposed on one of the giants.
	It was a meme.
	Can you get Cassio to post that right now, Geoff?
	He's fielding a caller.
	Okay.
	I'm gonna tee that up.
	I'm gonna tee that.
	That's amazing.
	Can you play Cut 3?
	Cut three.
	Yep, go ahead.
	Can you tell me how much money was given to Drag Queen Story Hour?
	I'm sorry, can you repeat that?
	Drag Queen Story Time, where men dress up as women and read confusing books to children.
	First I thought you said dry clean.
	I'm sorry.
	That's funny.
	Who is that guy?
	Biden official Gene Dodaro?
	Who is that, Jeff?
	Look it up, somebody.
	Can you play me Cup Five?
	Five... Yeah, go ahead.
	Recent report states that Americans own 46% of the world's guns.
	I think we need to get our numbers up, boys and girls.
	That's good.
	Dodaro.
	He's the current Comptroller General of the... Head of the U.S.
	Government Accountability Office.
	Okay.
	GAO.
	I think she was asking him because COVID funds were being used for that, and that's probably why.
	Wow.
	You wanna come in with something?
	Uh, play me Cutout quickly.
	I've just been here for a couple of days.
	It's been wonderful.
	I always have a wonderful time in Washington.
	But I've been amazed and horrified by how many people are frightened of a guy called Tucker Carlson.
	Has anybody heard of Tucker Carlson?
	What is it with this guy?
	All these wonderful Republicans seem somehow intimidated by his... Cut, cut, cut.
	Come in with that.
	Come in with Boris.
	Oh, he's picking the wrong fight there.
	What do you mean?
	He's making fun of the people who don't like Tucker.
	Oh, yeah.
	I've just been here for a couple of days.
	It's been wonderful.
	I always have a wonderful time in Washington.
	But I've been amazed and horrified by how many people are frightened of a guy called Tucker Carlson.
	Has anybody heard of somebody called... Has anybody heard of Tucker Carlson?
	What is it with this guy?
	All these wonderful Republicans seem somehow intimidated by his perspective.
	I haven't watched anything that he's said, but I'm struck by how often this comes up.
	Bad ideas are starting to infect some of the thinking around the world.
	Boris, Boris, Boris.
	First things first.
	That's Boris Johnson, former Prime Minister of the UK.
	First things first, you're bashing Tucker Carlson, which I think he's rather... Which is the most popular TV show in America, Geoff, today when it comes to nightly news?
	Tucker.
	Oh, thanks.
	Yeah, just checking.
	And then secondly, why are you recording that video, bashing the most popular TV show for conservatives in America, at the Atlantic Council?
	Whenever I see the Atlantic Council pop up on my social media feed, I always ask them, because you can look it up, it's true, are they still taking money from Burisma?
	Yeah, the Atlantic Council took money from the company that was paying Hunter for that no-show job.
	I'm curious, are you still getting money from the Ukraine Atlantic Council?
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	All right, let's talk Ilhan Omar.
	Let's talk New Congress.
	Let's talk about 2024 with the man who knows.
	He is the Washington Bureau Chief for that juggernaut Breitbart.com.
	Matt Boyle, welcome back to America First.
	Dr. G, always a pleasure to be here.
	And on that Boris thing, I think it's fantastic that Republicans are terrified of Tucker, right?
	First off, Tucker was my first boss.
	I learned so much from him.
	Oh, of course you worked for the Daily Caller.
	Yeah, and so he was my first editor.
	And, you know, like, honestly, it's a good thing.
	They should be more afraid.
	It shows you that he's doing something right.
	So are we at Breitbart.
	So are you on your show.
	I have to ask, was he a tough boss?
	Was he a tough editor?
	He was.
	I learned a lot in terms of writing from him and some in-depth reporting tactics, etc.
	But yeah, Tucker was a phenomenal boss.
	I learned so much from him.
	And there's so many people that were reporters back in the early days of Daily Caller that work all throughout the media right now.
	All across different perspectives, by the way.
	There's some that work in the lefty media.
	There are lefties that came out of there, but there's also some really great conservative journalists that came out of there too.
	Some that are here at Breitbart and other places as well.
	So, frankly, Tucker's done an enormous service to the country and the cause and can't thank him enough.
	Yeah, and if, quote-unquote, Republicans are afraid of him, that's a good metric, right?
	That's a very good metric.
	All politicians should be afraid of you.
	Like, if you're a good journalist, if you're just doing their bidding, then you're doing something wrong.
	Nice, thank you for putting that into the correct context.
	Okay, we've got to continue.
	We played the opening show with Ilhan Omar.
	Saying that it's just racism and misogyny that kicked her off the Foreign Affairs Committee, not her anti-Americanism and anti-Semitism.
	And bear with me, we have this clip of AOC.
	I mean, look, she's a doozy, but I've never seen a clip of her like this.
	She is jumping up and down.
	She didn't take her meds today.
	She's not happy about the Speaker's decision.
	Play cut.
	There is nothing consistent with the Republican Party's continued attack except for the racism and incitement of violence against women of color in this body.
	I had a member of the Republican caucus threaten my life and you all and the Republican caucus rewarded him with one of the most prestigious committee assignments in this Congress.
	Don't tell me this is about consistency.
	Don't tell me that this is about a condemnation of anti-Semitic remarks when you have a member of the Republican caucus who has talked about Jewish space lasers and an entire amount of tropes and also elevated her to some of the highest committee assignments in this body.
	This is about targeting women of color in the United States of America.
	Don't tell me because I didn't get a single apology.
	My life was threatened.
	Thank you.
	At the end, she slapped the podium with her notebook.
	So, Rhino's being afraid of Tucker is a good metric.
	So is AOC jumping up and down like her blood pressure meds are out of control, isn't it?
	Yeah, well, look, some people finally did something, right?
	Like, so, you know, look, in all seriousness, I didn't know that Eric Swalwell and Adam Schiff were women of color, did you?
	Like, I guess they are.
	Hang on, maybe they identify.
	Maybe they do.
	Maybe we should go check with them because they were also stripped off their committees for being a threat to national security for the same reasons that Ilhan Omar was removed from the House Foreign Affairs Committee.
	They were removed from the Intelligence Committee.
	So I don't know.
	There's something logically, you know, I don't know those two white dudes from California.
	I didn't know they were women of color too, but I guess maybe they are.
	I don't know.
	Look, here's the deal.
	Clearly, Ilhan Omar is a threat to national security.
	It does not represent American values on the world stage.
	The members of the House Foreign Affairs Committee regularly travel the world and represent the United States House of Representatives on the world stage.
	There needs to be a robust minority on every committee.
	I'm a big fan of that.
	I don't agree with the Democrats, generally speaking, but when you're out there doing the things that she's done over the course of her career that are just antithetical to the U.S.
	interest, and by the way, many Democrats disagree with you.
	You see them all twisting in knots over trying to defend or explain away what she said about 9-11, what she said about the Palestinians, what she said about Israel over the course of her career.
	You can't do it and that's the thing is that so she she's a this is a major promise made promise kept by the House Republican majority and by Speaker McCarthy and so hopefully this is the start of something bigger to come and hopefully they they you know they will continue to do more things right so That's what she said about 9-11, obviously.
	Some people did something, right?
	Well, some people did something.
	She's been removed from the committee.
	Hopefully now the Republican majority can get to work and actually focus on standing up for America First values around the world.
	But isn't it telling, Matt, just in the grand scheme of things, that I can't remember a member of Congress being that agitated and it's over defending an anti-Semite who hates America.
	Isn't that so telling?
	I think it's very, very telling here that AOC is as upset as she is.
	And I think it's because they know that this was a major blow to what they believe.
	By the way, there's a clip going around, I don't know if you've seen it today, where Hakeem Jeffries is actually, he's a Democrat leader.
	He's talking about, somebody asked him about why the Democrats can't condemn these socialist leaders around the world.
	And he says, well, that would undercut our Our ability to get things done and to pursue the Democrat agenda.
	That's the problem here, is that the Democrats, and by the way, President Trump was on Hugh Hewitt's show earlier today talking about exactly this too, is that the train didn't, it was supposed to, this is what President Trump said, he said the train was supposed to stop at socialism, but it went right through the stop, and it's on its way to communism, right?
	And it's already there.
	And that's the thing, is that the Democrats have embraced this really radical extreme agenda.
	That party is no longer the party that it was.
	It has been captured by the radicals and anybody who's sane has surrendered to the radicals in the Democrat Party.
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	He refused to distance himself from socialist regimes.
	Alright, three minutes.
	Oh, keep playing me cuts.
	I need to see these cuts.
	Got it.
	Got it.
	I'll find it.
	I'll send it.
	I'll text it to you in a sec.
	Hold on.
	Hakeem is the, he refused to distance himself from socialist regimes.
	All right.
	Three minutes.
	Oh, keep playing me cuts.
	I need to see these cuts.
	Start with six and keep going.
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	But you can't do it on the other side of town.
	Eleven.
	Unless you feel that you- Wow.
	Big, big, big mistake.
	I mean, these career politicians, right?
	They really stand for nothing.
	Because I do remember, and I'm going to show you right now, Nikki Haley saying that she would never do what she's going to do.
	He still has a lot of popularity.
	If he runs again in 2024, will you support him?
	Yes.
	If he decides that he's going to run, would that preclude any sort of run that you would possibly make yourself?
	I would not run.
	Wow.
	All right.
	We're going to use that.
	We're going to use that with Matt here.
	Come in with... You want those two clips for today, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Come in with seven.
	Come in with seven.
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	Not yet.
	Play 12 quickly.
	12 quickly.
	Speaking of Biden, today the White House announced that he will get his annual physical on February 16th.
	It's gonna be crazy after Biden's colonoscopy when the doctor says, there's no easy way to tell you this, but we found more classified documents.
	Alright, I might use that with Matt as well.
	Alright, coming in with cut 7.
	Actually, I'm going to use that first.
	I'll do merch, then I'll do Fallon, then I'll do Nikki Haley.
	Okay, so not coming in with anything?
	No, no, no, no.
	Merch, then Fallon, then Nikki Haley.
	So good.
	Did you hear the reports apparently, like, she called Trump and Trump gave her, like, permission to run?
	Yeah, I heard that.
	Yeah.
	35 seconds.
	Crowded field helps Trump, guys.
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	Biden, the heat is getting intensifying for the man in the White House.
	Even late night comedy shows are poking at the incumbent.
	This is Jimmy Fallon, Cut 12.
	Speaking of Biden, today the White House announced that he will get his annual physical on February 16th.
	It's gonna be crazy after Biden's colonoscopy when the doctor says, there's no easy way to tell you this, but we found more classified doctors.
	That is unusual, is it not, Matt Boyle, to have the left-wing late-night TV shows making fun of Joe Biden?
	Yeah, I think it's because they know just how bad this is for him.
	If you look at the polling, vast majorities of Americans know that this is a real scandal and a real problem for him with this classified documents.
	And so even the late-night shows know that they can't just Ignore it.
	They can't just sweep it under the rug.
	So as for whether or not this means that they're going to brush Biden aside and try to get somebody else for 2024, I think we're still too early for that.
	But like, it's definitely a bad and worse brewing scandal for Biden every day that goes by.
	All right, let's talk about 2024 on the conservative side of the aisle.
	There are several people who've made it official, even Larry Hogan, John Bolton, but Nikki Haley said she's running, and my colleague at Newsmax, well, Greg Kelly, he's a former fighter pilot, and he's got a good memory, and he roasted Ambassador Haley.
	Play cut.
	Wow, big, big, big mistake!
	I mean, these career politicians, right?
	They really stand for nothing, because I do remember, and I'm going to show you right now, Nikki Haley saying that she would never do what she's going to do.
	He still has a lot of popularity.
	If he runs again in 2024, will you support him?
	Yes.
	If he decides that he's going to run, would that preclude any sort of run that you would possibly make yourself?
	I would not run if President Trump ran.
	How about that?
	She's doomed!
	Her candidacy is doomed!
	Right here!
	This clip!
	She can't be a candidate for president.
	Matt Boyle, is that just politics as general?
	April 2021, the member of the Trump administration who represented us at the UN said, I will not run against President Trump.
	What's going on, Matt?
	Help me.
	Well, look, I think that a crowded field is very good for Trump.
	The best thing for Trump would be... Explain that.
	Explain why.
	Well, first off, the best thing for Trump would be no serious challengers.
	The second best thing for Trump is a very crowded field, because if you remember in 2016, he won the first few states that he won with just pluralities, right?
	Like, not majorities.
	And so if they have one unified challenger, Uh, you know, like a DeSantis or somebody running against him, then it's a lot easier for the establishment and the donor class to try to steer all resources and efforts into that one person rather than try, you know, if you've got this come one, come all thing.
	So like, honestly, I think that's part of why Trump is, is open to her running, right?
	Like he wants the competition because all indications are that Governor DeSantis is probably going to run, right?
	Like, so we haven't seen that yet.
	We haven't seen a formal decision from him yet.
	But if you're Trump, you want a crowded field in said scenario rather than a one-on-one with DeSantis, because then it splits the vote and the attention and so on and so forth across all the other people.
	But this does not, I mean, I understand your logic and I subscribe to it, but this clip that Greg Kelly found, this is not good for Haley.
	I mean, this will be used against her.
	It's real bad.
	It's real bad.
	She's gonna have to have a really good explanation of what changed between then and now.
	And I don't know if there's a good one.
	I don't know.
	We'll have to see what her answer is.
	And we'll have to see how that shakes out.
	And by the way, in that Hugh Hewitt interview, which was, I'm not usually the biggest fan of Hugh, but the point is that this was a great interview today with Trump.
	He would ask Trump about this Mike Pompeo book thing where he says that Nikki Haley was angling to try to supplant Pence as the VP in 2020.
	And Trump did not back her up on that.
	Let's put it that way.
	He just says, you know, I don't want to say anything that would embarrass Nikki Haley, but...
	Yeah, we would not deny that it happened.
	We're going to play cuts from Hugh's interview with President Trump.
	In the meantime, make sure you are following this man on President Trump's platform, Truth Social.
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	Okie dokie.
	Nice, right on.
	Jeff, can you tell Casio now what I...
	Oh, where is he?
	He's not here.
	What is he doing?
	Matt, you still there?
	Oh, no, he's gone.
	Alright.
	Producer...
	Producerial stuff. Producerial stuff.
	Can you play me cut 10?
	10.
	Yep.
	And the fact that this isn't passing on suspension...
	That's quite the intellectual leap.
	I would say communism.
	friends across the aisle that you can't condemn socialism?
	I mean, in your opening remarks, you were talking about Putin, Kim Jong-un, and Xi.
	You know what they all have in common, right?
	Trump.
	Trump?
	North Korea, China, and Russia?
	He loves Kim Jong-un.
	That's quite the intellectual leap.
	I would say communism.
	Wow.
	Oof.
	It wasn't even funny.
	He got, like, scattered laughter.
	Who is that guy?
	I do not know.
	Let me see, that was cut time.
	Mr. Russian Holler?
	That's what his name tag says.
	90 seconds.
	That's the D segment. 70
	seconds. 70 seconds.
	Jeff has returned.
	What's the trump card that you were looking for, Jeff's asking?
	Um, the train of socialism was supposed to stop at the station or something.
	What Matt said.
	30 seconds.
	Jabory308 in the chat says, I'm surprised Waters doesn't accidentally set herself on fire frequently.
	I'm surprised.
	of America first.
	We should have some kind of league table who the dumbest people in Congress are.
	I mean, there's so many potential candidates.
	This is the latest clip from Maxine Waters on a hearing concerning dictatorial regimes that are threats to America.
	And when you hear her response, she might be at the top of the leaderboard.
	Cut 10.
	The fact that this isn't passing on suspension just says everything about my friends across the aisle that you can't condemn socialism.
	I mean, in your opening remarks, you were talking about Putin, Kim Jong-un, and Xi.
	You know what they all have in common, right?
	Trump.
	Trump?
	North Korea, China, and Russia?
	He loves Kim Jong-un.
	That's quite the intellectual leap.
	I would say communism.
	That's Congressman Reschendhaler.
	Haven't heard of him before.
	Asking Maxine Waters what's the common connection between those regimes.
	And she laughs and she titters and she giggles.
	You know, as there are labor camps, as people are being exterminated for having the wrong political ideas in North Korea, she says the connection is Trump.
	Yeah, she might be the dumbest.
	She might just be.
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	Dr. Sebastian, I'd like to thank you very much for the copy of Defeating Jihad you sent me.
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	Second comment, or second question I wanted to ask you is, last week I wanted the, I thought I'd call the Dr. Sebastian Gorka Intelligence Service and find out what he thought of the concept of attacking some of these factories in Iran that are making these drones.
	Well, about two nights ago, two or three nights ago, I saw that there was attacks launched supposedly by Israel.
	And I don't know if they're cruise missile or drone, but would you care to comment on those?
	Because after I saw that one news briefing, that's the last I've seen it on any of the news shows.
	Yeah, this administration isn't going to do anything of that ilk.
	They want to give literally pallets of cash to the mullahs, the murderous mullahs in Iran.
	So no, the idea that America would do that, not under Biden's control.
	Israel, as I've said many, many times before, Mark, will always do that which it needs to do.
	Whoever's in charge as Prime Minister, if the threat is imminent, they will take the action that is necessary.
	So I think the story speaks for itself.
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	Antoinette, welcome.
	Hi, Dr. G. I'm sorry.
	I'm still laughing at AOC and Omar.
	You've got to watch the video.
	The video is hilarious.
	AOC is like a jack-in-the-box.
	She's jumping up and down as she's shouting.
	And us as women of color, with a little more restraint here for I am for the voiceless, hey Dr. G, we've added a couple things to our reaching out to the Planned Parenthood.
	But just know that like you guys, America first, you guys are working for our Lord, for the United States, to get out the truth.
	We, as I am for the voiceless, are a group of men and women of color, but we reach out with the spiritual seeds for those babies out there.
	But just know that AOC and Omar, aren't they supposed to be representing all Americans and their constituents and their areas?
	I still, I'm still laughing in my mind, seeing AOC jumping around like that.
	Dr. G, we added one more thing.
	Now we call it Lunch with Jesus.
	There are a number of homeless that walk by us as we're there with our signs and praying for the abortion clinics in front of them.
	So now we're giving them in and out gift cards so they can get a hamburger at least.
	When we give it to them, we call it Hey Guys.
	Whose idea was that?
	I love that.
	Us, all of us all together, it's called Lunch with Jesus.
	And that's what we tell them.
	And we say, we'll pray for you.
	And here, go get something to eat.
	So we kind of added that on with our group, which is I Am for the Voiceless.
	But you guys, as well as us, we're all doing God's work on this planet.
	We love you guys.
	And we will not ever give up.
	We will never give up.
	And blessings to you all.
	And hey, the rest of you out there, remember, look at your phone, see where the latest Planned Parenthood is at, the clinic, and as you drive by it, say a little prayer.
	That will help.
	You'll be amazed at what has transpired these last couple of years.
	Now my question to you, why a homeless voucher for In-N-Out Burger and not Chick-fil-A, Antoinette?
	Well, because all we've seen are the In-N-Outs where we're at.
	They're real close.
	Chick-fil-A?
	Well, we'll see, but they look a little further away from where we're located.
	Because we go to Mission Viejo, Santa Ana, and Tuscan Orange, but there is a new In-N-Out right by The Planned Parenthood's in Santa Ana, Tustin Orange.
	We'll check and see about the Chick-fil-A.
	Look into it because it's a good Christian company.
	Good, good value.
	So let's just think about that.
	Check it out on the local GPS map app.
	Thank you Antoinette.
	Voice for the voiceless.
	God bless you.
	Yes, when you go past one of those diabolical clinics, say a prayer for the unborn.
	Say a prayer for those young mothers so that they They don't do the unthinkable.
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	is he new this guy Pennsylvania guy?
	He was elected in 2018.
	Just this January, though, he assumed a position of House Majority Whip, I think.
	Or not Majority Whip.
	Let me take another look at that.
	some leadership position house republican chief deputy webb So he's in leadership, yeah.
	Have I seen everything?
	Yeah.
	I believe so, yes.
	Sharpton, Boris, Jordan and Nadler.
	Oh, Geraldo.
	Did we play Geraldo?
	No.
	Why is it, Greg, that we're talking about a document scanner when there's zero evidence that national security has been compromised, and we're not talking about the Paycheck Protection Program, and the billions of dollars that were wasted, squandered, stolen.
	Over a hundred billion, they say, was stolen.
	Why aren't we... I think we did talk about it here.
	In a bipartisan manner, why don't we go after something the American people care about?
	They don't care.
	This is the librarian scolding the people who kept the books overdue.
	It has nothing to do with anything in American life.
	Not one family watching this today is affected one iota by this phony scam.
	Can't handle the truth?
	Is reality just too much?
	There's always NPR.
	I hear they have tote bags.
	This is America First with Sebastian Gorka.
	Is reality too much for you?
	Well, NPR is out there.
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	Let's go to your calls.
	George, Columbus, Ohio.
	George, you've got an answer to the dumbest person in Congress?
	Yeah.
	I've got an answer.
	I think that AOC is the dumbest person on Capitol Hill.
	Dumber than Maxine Waters?
	Oh, no, hang on.
	What about Hank Johnson, the man who said that Guam would tip over if the Marines moved to one side of the island?
	How about Hank Johnson?
	Yeah, but AOC said that She rents, so it doesn't matter if she has a gas stove.
	She just wants yours out of your house.
	Well, yeah, that's just ideological, but she did say she doesn't know what a waste disposal is.
	It's tough.
	It's a kind of toss-up, isn't it, George?
	It is.
	It's a big toss-up.
	I have a real bone with her because I used to be a New Yorker, so I just don't like her.
	Yeah, I can tell.
	You still got the accent.
	Thank you for your bid.
	Stay on the line.
	Let's get our buddy George one of our America First challenge coins.
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	Let's stay in the New York area.
	Let's go to Brooklyn, Judy, Line 3.
	Hi, Dr. G. If you and Antoinette want to have even a better laugh, listen to Rashida Tlaib.
	Did you hear Rashida Tlaib?
	Yeah, we opened the show with her.
	Where were you, Judy?
	Were you washing your hair?
	Wait a minute.
	Wait a minute.
	You opened the show and I didn't hear it.
	Oh, she just busted herself.
	Self-owned.
	She has just... Judy from Brooklyn has roasted herself.
	Well, anyway, I... Oh, yes, let's move on, anyway.
	Let's move on rapidly from Judy not listening to my show.
	I thought you were fan number one.
	Oh, wait a minute, wait a minute.
	I must have been talking to Jeff.
	I don't know.
	Something happened.
	I don't know what happened.
	All right, we're good.
	Okay.
	Listen, Dr. G, two things.
	First of all, Ilan Omar, do you remember this guy Imam Tawidi?
	Yes.
	Imam Tawidi, he said about Ilan Omar, he said, number one, she is a radical Islamist She should be thrown out of Congress altogether, he said, because all she does is spread her hatred, which is true.
	She's also a die-hard communist.
	She supports Maduro, if you remember that, against America.
	She married her brother, Judy!
	Come on!
	She's a hypocrite too, guess what?
	I don't know why she wears that hijab.
	She's a hypocrite as well.
	She has an affair with the manager, married to another person.
	She was married to another guy.
	I don't understand where this all goes, but you know what?
	Do you remember we had a guy calling up and he was very worried about President Trump against DeSantis, right?
	Yeah, 20 seconds, quickly.
	Okay, so here's the deal.
	Here's the difference.
	President Trump is financially independent.
	Yes.
	Whereas people like DeSantis, he's dependent on other people financially.
	Bingo!
	You nailed it.
	No, we're out of time.
	And one of them is a politician and President Trump isn't.
	Thank you, Judy.
	We'll be back with Andy Biggs.
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	Things are about to get MAGA-nificent.
	America First with Dr. G. Sublime or the ridiculous first, there's somebody who's the comptroller of the GAO and he was being asked a question on the floor of Congress by MTG.
	MTG who's, you know, all shiny and sparkly now with her new committee appointments thanks to her support of Kevin McCarthy in that four-day standoff.
	And this Biden appointee Thinks he's a comedian, not somebody under oath in front of Congress.
	Let's listen to MTG and the comptroller.
	Cut three!
	Can you tell me how much money was given to Drag Queen Story Hour?
	I'm sorry, can you repeat that?
	Drag Queen Story Time.
	Where men dress up as women and read confusing books to children.
	First I thought you said dry clean.
	I'm sorry.
	Even if you think somebody said dry clean, would you actually say that on the floor of Congress under oath?
	Sorry, I'm an idiot.
	I thought you were asking me about your dry cleaning.
	Gene Dodaro.
	Biden appointee.
	It's a very simple question.
	Why was that being asked?
	Because apparently his organization or the Biden administration has been funding through health and human services accounts Drag Queen Story Hour.
	Now why would that be?
	Let's continue the absurdity with the man who I think he's getting more and more flustered.
	You watch him on The Five and
	Way back when, I used to get into tussles with him when Hannity had me debate him, usually on a Friday night, but Geraldo Rivera, as my friend Chris Pallant calls Jerry Rivers, he doesn't look comfortable in his skin anymore, especially as the heat is being turned up on the Biden administration thanks to the Biden Files scandal, and he wasn't having any of it on The Five yesterday.
	Play cut.
	Why is it, Greg, that we're talking about a document scanner when there is zero evidence that national security has been compromised, and we're not talking about the Paycheck Protection Program and the billions of dollars that were wasted, squandered, stolen, over $100 billion they estimate was stolen.
	Why aren't we in a bipartisan... Couldn't agree more.
	I think we did talk about it here.
	In a bipartisan manner, why don't we go after something the American people care about?
	They don't care.
	This is the librarian scolding the people who kept the books overdue.
	It has nothing to do with anything in American life.
	Not one family watching this today is affected one iota by this phony scam.
	So the repeated instances of top-secret documents being found on various Biden locations is really the librarians scolding the library user who's overkept some books or DVDs.
	I'm curious if Geraldo actually said that about the Mar-a-Lago raid.
	Whether the FBI should have come with loaded guns to the President's private residence, if it was just about over-kept library books, I doubt he did, which means he is a hypocrite or worse.
	Now, let's talk about what this really is about.
	We now know that Senator Biden, Senator Biden, kept top-secret documents.
	There's no reason for a senator to remove top-secret documents from the skiff in which he reads them.
	Usually they are briefed to a senator or a closed-door committee of the Senate.
	Why did he have documents from his time as senator and then documents from his time as vice president in a building that didn't belong to him that was being rented by his son Hunter Biden, an individual whose Clearance was stripped of him because he's a drug addict.
	He was kicked out of the military for testing positive for drug use.
	Day one.
	You think most Americans don't care about that, Geraldo?
	Most Americans who care about the safety of this nation want to know why documents pertaining to our allies and to our enemies We're being stored in a building that Hunter Biden had access to.
	But keep doing what you do, Geraldo, because we see straight through you.
	Let's go to Jason in Colorado.
	Your call's 833-33 Gorka.
	That's 833-334-6752.
	Welcome, Jason.
	Yes, you know, you killed me with Hank Johnson and you stole my thunder and I just can't stop laughing.
	Am I right?
	Am I right?
	Is Hank Johnson the dumbest person in Congress?
	You know, after what you were just talking about with Jerry Rivers, can we give him a one-minute honorary membership to Congress so we can nominate him?
	I think we should.
	We should give him honorary temporary membership, Jerry Rivers, and you may be... You'll give Hank Johnson a run for your money.
	I love that, Jason.
	I think so.
	Alright, what else have you got for us?
	Comments or questions?
	You know, a leopard never changes its spots, and I was listening to someone yesterday just blow up the Biden extortion racket in Ukraine.
	How much... Oh, by the way, you know, I work for Salem, so, you know, different company, but I gotta give... Dan Bongino had a couple of... Thank you, I didn't want to say that.
	No, Dan Bongino, today on his radio, I was listening on the way into the studio, the needle he's threading On Ukraine, the deep state, the Biden's corruption and the Biden administration.
	I mean only as a former Secret Service agent can and former NYPD detective.
	I texted him immediately and now in front of 3 million people.
	I'm going to salute you.
	Dan Bongino, keep doing what you do.
	He's walking a very delicate line, Jason, because he said there's so much information I have and you can't just dump it out all on one day on the radio, because it's radio.
	This isn't, you know, a grad school lecture, but Dan has the receipts.
	Sorry, carry on, Jason.
	I was just going to ask how much of all of this Ukrainian aid is going back to the big guy?
	Well, that's a good question.
	I mean, we know that at least 10% of the deals that Hunter Biden was the front person for when his daddy was the point person for the Obama administration.
	Yes, the vice president was the designated point person for Ukraine policy, and that's when Hunter Biden was getting $83,000 a month from Burisma.
	That's when he got a $1.3 or $1.2 billion deal with the Communist Bank, the National Bank of China.
	It's all a scam.
	It's all a scam.
	We know that, right, Jason?
	Oh yeah, definitely.
	Thank you for taking my call.
	Yeah, anytime, buddy.
	Thank you.
	Let's go to Sam Atlanta, line one.
	Sam, you're up!
	Hey, Sam.
	How you doing?
	Good.
	What's your question?
	What's your comment?
	Well, my comment was, back in the day I used to listen to the guy, you may have heard of him, Rush Limbaugh.
	And he would tell us that everything the Democrats would do would be about one of two things, control or power.
	Or both.
	They'll do anything to get it and everything to keep it, right?
	You've got your book, War for America's Soul.
	I mean, you and Rush are so right.
	Everything they do is about power and control.
	The fact that they've infiltrated the Democrat Party and all the control them completely.
	And now they're trying it with the GOP.
	They're getting us to fight each other, to, you know, you got Nikki Haley wanting to run against Donald Trump.
	That's not America first.
	That's Nikki Haley first.
	We need somebody who's got a proven record.
	And I don't need to go through all his accomplishments because you know them already.
	And if you can't get behind that, if you can't support that, then you're not America first.
	I'm sorry.
	That's all.
	Yeah, but let me just, you know, react to that.
	I I don't think it's the Democrats that are telling Nikki Haley to run or John Bolton.
	I think it's their own narcissistic ego, Sam.
	Right, that's exactly what I'm saying.
	She's not America first, she's Nikki Haley first.
	Oh, totally.
	Absolutely.
	We're going to play that cut again because that was so good.
	We'll play that with our buddy Boris.
	He'll be with us momentarily.
	Thank you, Sam.
	Let's squeeze in one more call.
	Dean, Ohio.
	Dean, happy Thursday.
	Thanks.
	Gee, I just had a wisecrack.
	When AOC was on the floor of the house yelling about this was against women of color, I just wonder, is she a biologist?
	Oh my gosh!
	Yes!
	She doesn't know what a woman is.
	Well, how can she know whether Ilhan Omar is a woman or a woman of color?
	Because as far as I know, AOC isn't a biologist, Dean.
	And one other thing, when she was a bartender, I wondered, did she declare all of those tips on her tax forms?
	That's a very, very good question.
	But the first point is superb.
	You can hoist them on their own petard.
	If a Supreme Court justice nominee can't define a woman because she's not a biologist, how can AOC say that Ilhan Omar's removal from the Foreign Affairs Committee is an act against women?
	Is she a biologist?
	I don't think so.
	Thank you, Dean.
	Stay on the line.
	Duggar, anyway, Dean, such a good point.
	I mean, do we have the best callers and listeners on the planet?
	I think we just prove it every single day.
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	Uh, yeah.
	Geoff went down to go get him.
	Boris... I read a little bit of Nietzsche last night.
	And how was it?
	Is your brain hurting?
	It was a little dense.
	I was reading Birth of Tragedy.
	You gotta have some context with the Greeks.
	He mentioned... What did he mention?
	He mentioned a title.
	What is the title he mentioned?
	He said Genealogy of Morals.
	I read that one in college.
	Okay, I gotta find that.
	Genealogy of Morals.
	Oh yeah.
	Genealogy... Genealogy... Of Morals.
	Here we go.
	How long is this?
	Six hours!
	I remember it being much longer in college.
	Alright, I'm gonna get this.
	The Genealogy of Morals.
	Are you going to keep on reading, Alex?
	Are you going to give up?
	I am.
	Yeah.
	I might switch to the genealogy one.
	All right.
	Well, I just purchased it and I'm downloading it as we speak.
	I got to read a little bit of Greek mythology to keep up with what he's talking about in Birth of Tragedy.
	He alludes to Apollo and Dionysus.
	I don't really know what their roles are in mythology.
	It's an education.
	All right.
	Horse coming.
	Hello, hello.
	Hello, hello.
	What's this, casual Thursday?
	What's going on?
	Purple, very nice, very nice.
	Very baronial color.
	Make yourself at home.
	Sir?
	Four cigars yesterday, huh?
	Four?
	I think we had five, because we had a couple of little ones.
	My son has little ones between the big ones.
	And you're fine the next morning?
	Yeah.
	I couldn't operate.
	Really?
	I have a little bit of a cigar mouth, that's it.
	Yeah.
	Do you drink a lot of water?
	Yeah, we're always hydrating.
	But hold on, you don't drink with it though, right?
	No, no.
	My son had a glass of whiskey, I don't drink.
	So I'm good.
	Yeah, I just, for me it's tough.
	I smoked on, it's been a week now.
	Thank you.
	Do I need a mug or...?
	No, he's good, he's fine.
	I'm OK, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Can you tell him to block the lines?
	I just did.
	Thanks.
	One minute.
	All right, we've got to talk Ilhan.
	Fine.
	AOC, Nikki Haley, what else is important?
	Oh, do we have the transgender videos?
	The one he did, you mean?
	Yeah.
	Oh, the clips of Trump.
	I don't think we played all of them.
	Did we play all of them?
	I think we did.
	I have them here, though.
	FBI is searching his house.
	Can you pick one of them and I'm just going to tee it up and you just play it?
	We could do an inside baseball talk about how the Biden team has mishandled the comms around the documents.
	Good, good, good.
	What have we got here?
	PhD... Come in with Ilhan, and then I'll do PhD.
	Are we going out or not?
	Bill Hancock came in with.
	Are we going out or not?
	I don't see one of the Trump guys.
	In 18 seconds.
	I'm on.
	And so we know what this is.
	This is about saying this particular member of Congress is not allowed to have a voice on the Foreign Affairs Committee.
	This particular member of Congress is someone that we don't think is appropriate.
	enforcing.
	And that comes back to the fact that they don't actually think Muslims or refugees or immigrants in this country can appropriately criticize U.S. policy.
	Welcome back, dear friends.
	My guest in the studio is making me laugh.
	All right, we're going to take your calls after we speak to the Baron.
	If Franco is one of the callers I see up on the call board, if he's driving his 18-wheeler, get his number and call him back because I don't want him to be distracted staying on hold.
	We love our truck drivers and let's make sure our truck drivers are safe.
	Okay, he is here.
	I think the Trump campaign might be hotting up because Our good friend Boris Epstein is in the swamp more often than usual.
	Could it be true?
	Is the campaign... Mr Senior Trump Campaign Advisor, is it... is it hotting up?
	It's as hot as it gets.
	It's a red hot.
	We're hot as the president.
	White hot!
	We're white hot.
	We're on fire.
	All right.
	We'll talk about the campaign.
	We'll talk about the amazing video we played clips of yesterday from the president just declaring war on the transgender child mutilators.
	But first, Ilhan Omar, are you sad for your favorite member of Congress?
	She lost her job and her clearance, I hope.
	Apparently immigrants don't get to have a voice.
	I guess that means that you... Oh, pull the plug!
	Pull the plug right now!
	We don't get to have three million listeners!
	We don't have a voice.
	We don't have a voice.
	No.
	You know who shouldn't have a voice?
	Rabid anti-Semites.
	Anti-American anti-Semites.
	Exactly.
	Some people did something on 9-11.
	Yes.
	Anti-American, anti-Semites.
	Right.
	It's all about the Benjamins.
	And you know what?
	All the nasty tropes.
	And you know what?
	Even Hakeem Jeffries today, not really going to Omar's defense, saying a lot of anti-Semitic tropes, and in a lot of ways chastising her.
	I mean, Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaibo, they're a huge problem for the Democrats, and the problem's only getting worse.
	So I'm sorry, I shouldn't do this.
	I don't usually repeat play cuts, but we are a three hour show and this is just amazing.
	For those of you who aren't watching, why aren't you watching?
	It's SalemNewsChannel.com.
	But AOC, I've never seen her so agitated.
	I don't think I've ever seen a member of Congress so agitated.
	She was, you know, do you like Winnie the Pooh?
	Do you read Solomon Winnie the Pooh?
	Your tigger is always bouncing up and down.
	AOC was doing the tigger impression today.
	She was bouncing up and down in Congress and screaming!
	Let's play that cut!
	What's she so upset about?
	I don't know!
	We'll find out!
	Let's do it!
	There is nothing consistent with the Republican Party's continued attack except for the racism and incitement of violence against women of color in this body.
	I had a member of the Republican caucus threaten my life, and you all and the Republican caucus rewarded him with one of the most prestigious committee assignments in this Congress.
	Don't tell me this is about consistency.
	Don't tell me that this is about a condemnation of anti-Semitic remarks when you have a member of the Republican caucus who has talked about Jewish space lasers and an entire amount of tropes and also elevated her to some of the highest committee assignments in this body.
	This is about targeting women of color in the United States of America.
	Don't tell me because I didn't get a single apology when my life was threatened.
	Thank you.
	That hand waving, she's like one of those snake-eater preachers.
	She's very upset.
	She's very upset.
	But that was real, right?
	Who threatened her life, according to her?
	Paul Gosar had a meme about superheroes where he was one of them beating another one in the face.
	But she was just chatting with Paul Gosar all friendly-friendly just a couple weeks ago during a secret fight.
	So is this a fake?
	Is she making this up?
	Is this similar to when I believe Ilhan Omar faked being arrested?
	Could they just... Oh, you mean put their hands behind their back?
	You know what I think, Sebastian?
	I'm just trying to start to figure this out.
	Yeah, please.
	I think they may just be acting.
	You know what?
	I think they may not... Because she was excited!
	I think they may not be authentic.
	In all seriousness, this is a joke.
	They're all a joke, okay?
	A Democrat member of the House, when Byron Donalds, a Republican, a great guy, was put up for being Speaker and nominated, they said, oh no, I believe it was Cori Bush, said the most nasty racist things against him.
	Oh, they're just using him and all kinds of stuff.
	Uncle Tom, all that kind of stuff.
	Let's be honest.
	We know what the history of racism in this country is.
	We know what anti-Semitism is.
	And you know what?
	It's 99% of the Democrats.
	So to AOC, to all her buddies over there, they ought to look at one another and consider what the problem is.
	And to Elhan Omar, ain't no one gonna miss her.
	And by the way, It's not just Ilhan Omar.
	Swalwell got kicked off committee.
	I'm sorry, President Swalwell.
	Sorry.
	Mr. Fang Fang.
	Mr. Fang Fang.
	President Fang Fang Swalwell.
	Yes, Mr. Fang Fang Swalwell.
	And the other woman of color.
	Shifty Schiff.
	Shifty Schiff.
	Yes.
	Adam Schiff.
	So, it doesn't quite... I mean, those guys are so white, you can't see them in the daylight, okay?
	So it doesn't quite appear that they're targeting anybody of color.
	You know what they're targeting?
	Racist, anti-Semitic, anti-American, traitor, idiots!
	Now, the fact, I'm just winding the clock back, that we had that Sunday morning show, I think it was, like nine days ago, where Ilhan Omar, with Schiff in the room, Did a fake apology for the Jewish tropes she used.
	That's interesting that she felt that she could perhaps survive by making a fake apology.
	She didn't.
	Does all of this mean that they're worried?
	They're never worried.
	There's this jumping up and down.
	I see this as a really good metric, that they are getting hot under the collar.
	They're worried, they're upset, and they're upset because they're being called out for who they are.
	Right.
	Finally!
	Finally.
	They're being called to the carpet to account for the fact that they don't stand for America.
	They don't stand for American values.
	And to be clear, when I say they, I mean the Democrats.
	Okay?
	Writ large.
	And sure, there's some exceptions here and there.
	But these radical, woke liberals are totally deranged.
	The only reason I jump in is, the exceptions in the Democrat Party don't stand up to the extremists.
	They never do.
	No.
	They used to.
	No.
	But not anymore.
	And I've said this before and I'll say it again.
	Especially, you know, my people, I'm a proud Jew.
	We talk about it plenty.
	There are anti-Semites on the left and the right, that's just, they're discussed on the far left and the far right.
	The difference is the left elects theirs to Congress.
	Yeah, right.
	Right?
	And finally something's being done about it, and I guess AOC's a little upset.
	All right, we shall continue.
	We're going to talk about the campaign 2024.
	We've got that clip of Nikki Haley, rather embarrassing from my colleague at Newsmax because, you know, Greg Kelly, he is good.
	Former Marine pilot, you heard what he said, 158 carrier landings flying his His amazing jump jet, his Harrier.
	And he dug something up from the archives from the former member of the cabinet, yes, the ambassador to the UN, weirdly, since about the time of JFK has been a cabinet level appointment.
	And she said something in 2021 about whether she would run against President Trump.
	And you need to hear it.
	We are talking to Boris Epstein, Senior Advisor for the Trump 2024 campaign.
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	All right.
	Hakeem Jeffries is the new leader of the Democrats in the House.
	And I'm just going to let this speak for itself.
	The Republicans wanted to condemn in the House those regimes around the world that oppress their own people and that are communist regimes.
	And weirdly, the Democrats have a problem with this.
	Play the cut.
	They're bringing to the floor of the House of Representatives today a resolution on socialism.
	To condemn some dictators that we all condemn.
	But understand, the goal of this phony, fake, and fraudulent resolution is just to somehow provide cover for extreme MAGA Republicans to try to undermine an agenda that is designed to lift up the health, safety, and well-being of the American people.
	I know he's the right skin color.
	He's not the right gender for the left.
	Which one of the 77 genders?
	I thought it was 103.
	Oh.
	Sorry.
	But I'm sorry, Boris.
	This guy is utterly unimpressive.
	And what are you talking about?
	MAGA extreme?
	Condemning North Korea is a MAGA plot?
	So let's go to the videotape, right?
	We all condemn the dictators.
	So it sounds like he's in favor of it.
	And then he calls it fake.
	So do you agree with the resolution?
	Is it a ploy?
	Or is it good?
	And then, you know, the alliteration, right?
	The fake, the frauds on the phone.
	Stop!
	Okay?
	Whoever's giving... Here's this.
	And this is not just a principle issue.
	It's a staff issue, too.
	Whoever's writing for him, whoever's giving him advice, they need to... That's one thing.
	Pause and completely remake this person.
	But as a choice to lead the Democrats?
	How did this happen?
	Well, they've got nobody else.
	This isn't the Democrats of Tip O'Neill.
	This isn't the Democrats of Clinton.
	Or even Nancy Pelosi!
	I tried to forget her.
	Can we just try to forget her please?
	Ms.
	Popolosi.
	But they've got nobody else.
	It's either Jeffries or what?
	You know, Elan Omar or Rashida Tlaib.
	Nadler!
	Could be Nadler.
	Wouldn't that be great?
	Or shifty.
	Shifty.
	All right, let's talk, let's listen to somebody who actually knows how to communicate and loves America.
	He was on my colleague, Hugh Hewitt's show earlier today.
	Let's play the cut from our phone boss, President Trump, 45.
	If you look at the Democrats or the Marxists or the communists, whatever you want to call it, because they didn't stop.
	You know, the train never stopped at socialism.
	It was supposed to stop at socialism.
	It just passed that.
	So we're into communism, Marxism and other things.
	So when he says, you look at the Democrats, and he says the train should have stopped at socialism, but it kept on going to communism.
	Yes.
	Hasn't he just described, that's why Hakeem Jeffries cannot condemn North Korea or China.
	And by the way, that is a beautiful summation, really, of Karl Marx by President Trump, right?
	To all you kids at home, you can skip that course in college now, university.
	President Trump just gave it to you.
	It's supposed to be, right?
	Socialism, anti-communism, utopia, whatever it is that they believe in.
	But in America, yeah, no socialism.
	Boom!
	Straightforward to communism.
	That's what happened.
	And it is completely deranged.
	But unfortunately, that's just what today's Democrats are.
	And it's not just communism in the economic sense.
	I mean, there's social positions that President Trump's robust powerhouse videos on fighting for our children are so important because the radicals are absolutely out of this world.
	He just reminded me, and we're out of time.
	I wanted to play a clip from the President's amazing video yesterday.
	I know you're in town to pick up a car.
	Can you stay for one more segment?
	I'll stay for one more segment.
	Because let's talk about that.
	Only for you.
	Thank you, buddy.
	And let's talk about the comms problem in the current White House.
	That's that.
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	I will declare that I will declare that any hospital or health care provider that participates in the chemical or physical mutilation of minor youth will no longer meet federal health and safety standards for Medicaid and Medicare and will be terminated from the program immediately.
	Furthermore, I will support the creation of a private right of action for victims to sue doctors who have unforgivably performed these procedures on minor children.
	How does this actually have to be stated?
	It should be law in America.
	We're going to talk about what the Fed did yesterday with Dave Brat in a moment, but I kept Boris in studio.
	Why?
	Because here's a great, you know, compare and contrast how to do comms and how not to do comms.
	These videos yesterday were superb.
	Hopefully, what's the regularity?
	Do we know every couple of weeks, every week, new policy videos coming out of Mar-a-Lago?
	I think you're going to be seeing them very frequently.
	Just in the last 24 hours, you had that powerhouse video on protecting our children, and then you've got the video on ending the war between Russia and Ukraine, the President saying that he could do it in 24 hours, and both you and I know that's 1,000% true.
	So you're going to see more and more and more of these videos.
	They're playing great, they look great, and the President's throwing his 100-mile-an-hour fastball.
	There's no two ways about it.
	Alright, well we know who's helping with those videos.
	Keep doing it.
	I texted him yesterday, Mar-a-Lago.
	Keep doing it because the President's on the campaign trail and this man is advising him.
	Before we go to Dean Bratt, Boris, they have a comps problem in the current White House.
	Is this new Chief of Staff going to fix anything?
	No.
	Who is he?
	Who is he?
	Well, Jeff Zients, he's been sort of an apparatchik around Democrat circles.
	I think he was in the Obama White House.
	He was the COVID czar for Biden.
	Yeah.
	He, I think, predicted the long, dark winter that never came.
	Right.
	And then he is also, very importantly, an investor in a bagel shop called Call Your Mother here in D.C.
	That'll help with the comms.
	The bagels.
	The bagels.
	Feed people bagels, blah, blah, blah.
	But in all seriousness, I mean, yesterday, the FBI was at the Biden compound.
	In Rojoveth.
	the one he bought with money from being a senator, of course.
	Oh, yeah, of course.
	Yeah, not the millions and millions from China.
	No, no, no.
	Right.
	So, the Chinese funded Rehoboth Compound.
	The FBI was there to do a search.
	Does the White House get ahead of it?
	Does Biden's legal team get ahead of it?
	No.
	What do they do?
	They waited for the cars to be caught on camera and for it to get announced on CBS and CNN, and then half an hour later put out a weak, pathetic statement.
	Hang on.
	Total disaster.
	This is why he knows what he's talking about.
	That's why he's a senior advisor to the Trump campaign.
	This is how it went down yesterday at 11 o'clock.
	We don't hear from the White House.
	We hear backwards.
	We hear news breaking on various outlets.
	The idea that this was a planned, it was a planned search.
	And they didn't even have a comm strategy.
	That tells you that these people can't even protect their own reputations when they're guilty.
	Follow him, BorisEP.com, BorisEP.com.
	Okay, we're going to transition mid-segment, because there's so much news out there, to the Dean of the Business School at Liberty U, a good friend of the show, another regular guest on War Room with Steve Bannon, Professor Dave Brat.
	Something else that wasn't prepared adequately, wasn't communicated.
	Out of the blue, we've got another Fed rate.
	Yeah, I think.
	I mean, the problem is no one does know.
	And I'm not making a joke there.
	The top monetary people in the world cannot tell you whether we have too much liquidity still floating out there.
	It looks like it, right?
	We just spent down about $1.6 trillion out of the $2 trillion COVID fiscal spending.
	Right?
	So the consumer is coming to an end, but there's still a lot of liquidity out there.
	The stock market's still kind of up there.
	It hasn't tanked like everyone thought.
	And so the Taylor rule, if you had a working economy, the Taylor rule still suggests we should set the federal funds rate at 8% right now if you want to get rid of inflation.
	But the problem and the complexity with all that is with quantitative tightening and quantitative easing now, we don't have a net measure of how much liquidity is out there.
	So I think you had it right.
	I think the Fed is a little too late.
	I think all the macro literature on inflation says once you crack 8% in inflation, you should expect to have at least 5% inflation for the next five years.
	So, you know, that holds unless they orchestrate a massive recession.
	But help me out here.
	You said that the expected crash or the tanking didn't occur.
	Is there a hypothesis out there?
	Is this another case of what did Greenspan call it?
	Irrational exuberance?
	Is it a lack of logic in the market?
	Yeah, I made him pause there.
	Did you see that?
	I made the Dean of the Business School at Liberty U, Paul.
	And I'm no economist!
	He's the economist!
	Well, I was waiting to go there or not, because I got a kind of a funny one that's not funny.
	Do it!
	But how big the disaster is, I went into my students yesterday and I said, when it comes to war, I said I spent the whole weekend studying up on this Battle of the Somme and And World War One and World War Two and etc.
	And everything took place in Ukraine.
	And now we're rolling tanks in.
	And I said, in a rational economy, you know, every Russian American business would be out of Russia right now.
	And you'd have positive, forward looking expectations on probably getting out of China.
	But they're not doing that, right?
	And so when you ask the question, you know, where should we be?
	I told the students, you know, the supply curve is supposed to include the full costs of doing business.
	And among those costs, I would add the fear of imminent death as kind of a joke, but a kind of get you thinking joke, right?
	When you've got tanks going from Germany into Russia, if that doesn't send the alarm bells off, I don't know what does.
	And so you're right.
	I mean, no one knows what is coming because our elites and the globalists are just totally out of control.
	We don't have free markets.
	We had a zero percent federal funds interest rate for 10 years.
	And so, yeah, I was expecting last year I would have thought the bottom would have fallen out of the stock market.
	So I was wrong.
	How did your students react to your very shocking question?
	They were scratching their head and one of my good young guy students said, deep man, deep.
	That's the kind of professor you want.
	Educate yourself even if you're not back in school.
	Brateconomics.com.
	That's Brateconomics.com.
	A man who can admit when he gets it wrong.
	Unlike the people in the White House.
	Also on getter at Brat Economics.
	He's the Dean of the Business School at Liberty.edu.
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	How do you have the same department that can keep crime down on one side of town without beating folk to death?
	But you can't do it on the other side of town unless you feel that you can get away with it there.
	I can't speak for everybody in Memphis.
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	Well, I've got a vote for dumbest in Congress.
	Oh, yes, yes, yes.
	Who is it?
	Is it somebody dumber than Hank Johnson or AOC?
	I need to know.
	And then a question after that.
	Jerry Nadler was a close second because, I don't know if you ever saw the video, but he obviously doesn't know the saying, never trust a bleep.
	Because he soiled himself at the podium that one time, and then kind of had to waddle off like a penguin.
	There are many who raised questions about that, and he's the person who in Congress yesterday said we shouldn't say the Pledge of Allegiance at the beginning of our committee meetings.
	That's what Nadler said.
	I don't have time to play the cut.
	What's your second question?
	Actually, my vote is Maxine Waters as Dumas in Congress, but my question is, Yeah, I think you're absolutely right.
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	Today, we pay tribute to the exceptional lives and extraordinary legacies of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, and Teddy Roosevelt. Abraham Lincoln, and Teddy Roosevelt.
	I am here as your president to proclaim before the country and before the world, this monument will never be desecrated.
	These heroes will never be defaced.
	Their legacy will never, ever be destroyed.
	Their achievements will never be forgotten.
	And Mount Rushmore will stand forever as an eternal tribute to our forefathers and to our freedom.
	Their achievements will never be forgotten, and Mount Rushmore will forever stand as a testament to those achievements.
	That's the 45th President of the United States at Mount Rushmore, saluting those who helped found the only republic of its kind in the world, founded on the principle of individual liberty.
	A function of us being made in the image of our Creator.
	Is it truly, truly a legacy for the ages?
	Can it survive the assault of those who hate what the Founding stands for?
	We are joined today by a very special guest, an expert on the Founding, on natural law and natural rights.
	He is a professor at that superb institution, Hillsdale College.
	We could spend the whole hour on the bio.
	He has taught at the University of Dallas, resident scholar at the Heritage Foundation, visiting scholar at the Claremont McKenna College, a fellow and a director at the Claremont Institute.
	Professor West, welcome to America First.
	I'm glad to join you.
	So, Professor West, Tom West, we should begin with the basic question, perhaps leveraging the clip from President Trump.
	Are the principles that the founding fathers stood for, that they built into the fabric of the Republic, Are they safe at the present time?
	Will they stand the test of time?
	Or how concerned are you that there is a concerted effort to dismantle those founding principles?
	Well, I think that there is such an effort.
	So the answer is they're not safe.
	They're to some degree still active and alive in the American public.
	In our government, not so much.
	But even in the public, there's still quite a bit of falling away that is taking place.
	On the other hand, there are lots of ways in which our country continues to live up to that older tradition.
	At least some of us do.
	We do our best to.
	And for example, the idea of self-help, self-governing private associations, We still do that.
	We still have churches, we have clubs, bars, restaurants, businesses.
	There's so many ways in which that older way of life is still alive.
	Is that the volunteerism that Alexis de Tocqueville talked about on democracy?
	Is that a uniquely American facet of our society?
	Absolutely.
	When Tocqueville came over some years later, 1830s, he observed that.
	And this is, of course, a product, one of the many products of the founders' actions as well as their beliefs, their principles.
	And one of their principles was consent, the idea of consent as a basis of society.
	Elections, of course, we're familiar with that in the political realm, but they also carried that principle over to the private realm, meaning that anything that people do together typically should be voluntary, should be something they agree on among themselves to do.
	And yeah, in the 1830s, that was all thriving when Tokyo got here.
	And it continued to for a long time.
	So even today, you see elements of that.
	Although, basic modern law, which you could say, characteristically, you might say, set off by the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which banned private associations from deciding on their own membership, their own promotion standards, and so on, has meant we have a new world now.
	I think Christopher Caldwell's right about that.
	We almost have a new constitution starting in the 1960s.
	And we see that in all of our life.
	Separation of the private from government is increasingly difficult to maintain.
	What the government would like to do is simply to regulate every detail of everything that goes on in the private sphere.
	I think their ideal model of how private life ought to look in America is an airplane.
	Everything is under the guidance of federal regulation.
	You can't move out of your seat.
	You have to do this.
	You have to do everything.
	That's what they'd like to see in all of American society.
	And the founder's view, of course, is that would mean the end of liberty.
	Yes, as my friend Chris Plant says, they want to make everything they agree with mandatory.
	Let's go down that rabbit hole, that Caldwell rabbit hole for a moment, Professor.
	A new constitution born in the 1960s.
	Who were the motors?
	Who were the engines of that new constitution?
	Was it simply the civil rights activists?
	Was it activist judges?
	Can we point to a locus of the formation or who were the catalysts for that new constitution?
	Well, of course, the way was led by American intellectuals going back to a much earlier time in the 20th century.
	Starting, let's say, the 1920s, 30s, you begin to see that movement towards our world today, our political and social world today.
	But by the 1960s, the reason why that period, I think, can be singled out as the transition is that all three branches of the federal government and most states outside the South now had come to embrace Disorientate.
	The idea that there is a fundamental threat to human individual rights that comes from the private sector.
	And, of course, always there's been crime in America and we punish crime.
	But now the view is it's not enough to punish crime.
	It's not enough to prevent people from harming each other.
	And it's also necessary to Organize and regulate their lives step by step so that they will not have views of other people that are disapproved of by the federal government.
	Or the state government as far as that's concerned.
	Happens at the state level.
	So, have you seen of late any recognition that that's actually what happened in the 1960s?
	And if so, is there any concerted pushback on what happened then to redress the balance?
	Well, we've seen partial examples of pushback, sure.
	We saw it when Trump was elected.
	How could such a person be elected?
	Everyone was shocked when he won the election of 2016.
	Why?
	Because he was a dissenter from a good deal of the modern consensus.
	He was an advocate and a defender of the old conception of individual liberty.
	Very much defended the older conception of foreign policy, the pre-1898 conception, which we've been away from for a long time, of course.
	But the founder's idea was, we should not be trying to fix the world.
	We should fix ourselves.
	Our government and its policies, domestic and foreign, should be all about protecting the rights of actual American citizens.
	And that's what we need to be focused on.
	Trump was good on that.
	You know, his inaugural address, which people forget often when they talk about him, he talked about carnage all over America.
	He talked about how the ruling class was protected, but regular people were not protected.
	That goes right back to the founders' understanding of what government is for, protection.
	Protection and meaning equal protection.
	So the original meaning of equal protection of the laws had nothing to do with Race discrimination or sex discrimination.
	What it had to do with was government needs to pass laws to protect people and their person and property equally for all.
	Enforcement has to be the same for all and effective enforcement, not selective, which is what we have now.
	We're going to address that speech at the inauguration and what was meant by carnage later in our discussion.
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	Professor West, let's talk about the founding fathers who are held in such high esteem by patriots who understand the unique, the truly sui generis nature of our nation.
	There are various conventional wisdoms about these individuals that some say they were just geniuses who from whole cloth Created this incredible nation.
	Others say, no, no, no, no.
	They learned the mistakes of their European forebearers.
	They distilled here onto this nation, not quite a tabula rasa, but the best of the best of Western civilization and so forth.
	And there are others who say, no, no, no, no.
	It's a little bit more complicated than that.
	Would you explain in essence who these people were and what their inheritance was?
	And whether or not it was cut from whole cloth.
	Well, sure.
	The Founding Fathers, thinking of who were the political leaders in America all the way from, say, mid-1760s, when this all really got started, started to, oh, let's say 1800.
	That group, that's a big group, but we have many stars among them, famous people that we still remember, celebrate.
	And they had inherited, through their colonial experience, two things.
	One, the heritage of the English customs and traditions that they grew up with in their colonial form, meaning Protestantism, rule of law, the common law, protection of life, liberty, and property as a normal function of government.
	All that was present in the tradition, the customs they came, they were of course also had, what they also had in common with the older England was racial stock.
	They were people, the white people from England, that's who they mostly were.
	With many of the same ideas and even informally, like the same way of celebrating Christmas.
	But the other thing that the founders brought in that was not as Very much not present in England at that time, anywhere near as much.
	That was the modern natural rights, natural law teaching, which had been elaborated by writers like Bloch, Blackstone, Bournemouth Key, various other figures, Trenchard and Gordon.
	There's a whole galaxy of writers who were English, and then later many American acolytes of them.
	Who spread these ideas, starting around 1700, all over the colonies.
	And so, when it came time... Can we stop there for a second?
	Can we stop there for a second and just explain what natural rights and natural law covers?
	What is this constellation?
	Sure, that's what I... yeah.
	The idea of natural rights, as they saw it, It came from the idea that human beings have a nature, a common human nature, which is especially visible in the capacity for reason, for understanding things, and understanding the nature of things.
	And reason, they believed, helps us to think about what is right and wrong, independently of custom and tradition.
	So the way they viewed this natural rights principle, you know, that we are created equal, we are not born slaves, we are capable of judging for ourselves who should govern us, therefore government should not be imposed without our will, should not be played.
	All of that, plus the idea of natural duties that we have too, like duty to respect others' rights, Duty of parents to raise children, to form families, to remain loyal to spouses.
	These were all, too, part of the older natural understanding at that time.
	And for the Founders, they approached, evaluated, you could say, their inheritance from British tradition and custom, always in light of those ideas which they took to be more fundamental than anything inherited, anything that is merely customary.
	And the two together helped to shape the development of America after 1776, because the older parts of the customs and traditions of England were thrown out and made to conform to the newer ideas, which then became part of the because the older parts of the customs and traditions of England were thrown out and
	So when the very prosaic definition of conservative is provided, that it is those who wish to conserve that which works, There is a more fundamental level of analysis that you're not just preserving that which needs preserving, you're talking about the source of what gives those principles value.
	And there is of course this idea that reason is a gift of God, Because we are made in his image, and therefore you have the word creator in our founding document.
	Would you address for a second the canard that these people weren't really Christians, they weren't really believers, but they were fundamentally deists, that they agreed in some kind of detached creator, but that's about it.
	How true is that?
	Right.
	The question of the founder's religious beliefs is, of course, Unsolvable, because people don't always say what they think.
	Yeah.
	We don't know.
	What we do know is the Founders almost uniformly said publicly, and acted on it, that this is a Christian nation in terms of custom, right?
	Not necessarily law, but we have customarily, we have accepted comfort, most meaning Protestant at that time, We are tolerant, we believe in religious freedom, so there will be other religious views allowed here, and we will not harm anyone who's Jewish or Catholic or anything else like that.
	Fine, but publicly they believed as a group, government needs to be supportive of the Christian consensus of the people.
	That is something that will, and they didn't defend it from the point of view of salvation of the soul, they defended it from the point of view of That's going to make it possible for our government to secure our rights much more effectively.
	If people think that there are divine commands about thou shalt not steal, that's going to make them respect property rights more than if you just gave them a lecture on the importance of the natural rights of property.
	Same with lying in court, right?
	Thou shalt not bear false witness.
	Same thing.
	So people like, you know, Washington was very clear on this, very emphatic.
	We have to have and support the religious character of our people if we are going to have a successful nation that secures our individual rights to life, liberty, property, pursuit of happiness, religious freedom, and the rest.
	We're talking to the professor of politics at Hillsdale College, Thomas G. West, author of the book that you must check out, The Political Theory of the American Founding.
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	I have so many things I wish to ask you, Professor.
	I'm exploiting this as if I were in some kind of grad school seminar.
	My PhD was in political science, and I love these topics and delving into them as much as possible.
	One thing I would like some clarification on, because I've always been very leery of it, And thanks to our team member who recommended you as a guest.
	I understand you are an expert on the field.
	And that is the concept of Straussianism.
	The person who convinced me to do a political science PhD was a Straussian.
	My little research into it left me a little bit queasy that this is about elitism, a kind of quasi-gnostic, we know better than the plebs.
	I'm sure that's an unfair critique.
	Would you talk to us about Leo Strauss, the philosopher, and his importance and what it represents today?
	Look, that's a long topic.
	Strauss was, to me, most important because he thought we should bring back the idea of philosophy as that idea was originally understood.
	Meaning, in the way Plato, Aristotle, Machiavelli, Habsburg.
	The philosopher.
	What's philosophy?
	It's the attempt to discover the nature of the world, the nature of reality.
	And what Strauss also believed, and this is where the charge of elitism comes from, he believed that philosophers are a rare breed.
	There aren't very many, there haven't been very many in history.
	Most people, to put it simply, aren't smart enough and haven't done enough serious work on their own to combine talents and effort to be genuine thinkers.
	We are mostly, most of us, and I include myself here, We rely on what other people say.
	We rely on our own observation to be sure as best we can.
	But we know that there are lots of things we don't get to that writer and writer people have penetrated to.
	We see that in science.
	Newton, of course.
	I don't claim to be that smart.
	And Sprouse was claiming that for philosophers.
	Now, what does that have to do with us right now?
	Does it have to do with modern America or even the founders of America?
	Strauss influenced my own book, or my own research on the Founding, because he emphasized, in a way that other scholars did not, that just because some idea existed in the past doesn't mean it's no longer valid.
	The idea of philosophy is there are permanent truths.
	So he told his students, and told me, when you investigate something like the American Founding, act like it might be true.
	Take it as if it might be true.
	And not just pretend, but actually, well, wait, maybe they do have the right answer for this stuff.
	I remember a historian named Joseph Ellis attacked my earlier book, Vindicating the Founders, and he said, the trouble with West is he's a presentist.
	He believes ideas are like migratory birds.
	They can take off intact in one century and land in another.
	And I said, yeah, that's exactly what I think is the scholar's duty when it comes to trying to understand earlier thinkers, and that includes our founding fathers.
	So the idea that it does promote elitism is unfounded.
	It just promotes being more committed.
	I mean, philosophy is the love of wisdom.
	It just means you've got to do more of your homework?
	Or are most people committed to being more inferior mentally?
	Look, what Strauss was saying was, yes, he's an elitist for sure.
	He believes the philosophers are different from, better than the rest of us when it comes to thinking.
	Not necessarily morally better, but okay.
	Superior in that way.
	But what I find troublesome among the Straussians as a movement, which certainly has taken off since he died, is that many of his students think they are the philosophers, just like he was, or just like Plato was.
	And I look at these people and I go, you are no philosopher, you're barely even an intellectual.
	You know, get serious!
	How about paying attention to things that you're capable of doing well, as opposed to imagining that you're going to transform the Western world by making us all engage in a grand effort of neo-Reaganite nationalism to conquer the world.
	I mean, this is the kind of thing you get from some of these people.
	And they have been rightly excoriated for that, I believe.
	That makes me feel much better about the original Leo Strauss.
	And he's right.
	I mean, the people of caliber that you can call philosophers are very far and few between.
	One piece of advice I give young people in whatever career field they're embarking on, I don't care whether you want to be a philosopher or a brain surgeon, Instead of spending all your life on a phone every day, sit down and read a book, and preferably read a book by a dead white guy, preferably somebody who's been dead for several centuries.
	If it's over a millennia, it's probably a good book.
	We're talking to Professor Thomas G. West.
	He is the author of The Political Theory of the American Founding, professor at Hillsdale I'm Sebastian Gorka, this is America First 101, coming to you from the relieffactor.com studios.
	All right, well, you've reinstilled my interest in Straussianism.
	I will be going back to my old philosophy books from, oh my gosh, when did I get my degree?
	1991.
	I will be going back to my old philosophy books.
	But let me just ask about one more field, one more ideology or category if I will, because I have utter disdain for libertarians and I understand you're not a big fan as well.
	I think only an immature individual can believe in libertarianism.
	Can you tell us from your perspective what is the biggest problem with libertarianism as a functioning philosophy?
	Yeah, you know, libertarians, there's a libertarian interpretation of the founders.
	They want to emphasize that the founders believed in individual rights, net liberty, government, minimal government, you know, a large degree of freedom in the private sphere, all that, you know, it's all true, it's in the founding.
	But what the libertarians leave out, and what the founders, I believe, were wiser about, was How are you going to have the moral conditions to sustain that kind of a society?
	You cannot have a society devoted to the idea of respect for other people's rights if people are taught that it's okay to be immoral and exploit other people's rights.
	So the principle of liberty by itself, unless it also contains some duties, duties to others and ultimately to yourself, Well, I think many of them have moral compass, but the question here is, what should government do to maintain a free society?
	What should government do about families, for example?
	At the time of the founding, they thought that was a function of government, although in general they were in favor of individual choice.
	to determine adult relationships.
	In this one exceptional case, they thought parents need to have a marital contract that's hard to break and that will make sure that children will be taken care of.
	The real issue in the founding is how do we protect other people's rights?
	And they included children's rights, baby's rights.
	How do you protect those?
	Is it really enough to say, oh, we'll just make sure you get some child support and welfare?
	And then allow a single parent to do it with all the difficulties.
	They thought we should encourage and to some degree mandate the integrity of the family.
	And this is something that we today, of course, are not comfortable with.
	But maybe today we could be a little better about not being so eager to promote ideas that basically tell everyone who's who's thinking about getting married or who is married, yeah, you should break up the family tomorrow if it feels the slightest bit inconvenient.
	This is a problem.
	I mean, and same with moral restraint.
	Same with jury.
	How can you have a jury trial if people think it's okay to lie?
	You have to have a society that is taught moral restraint and moral duties in order to prevent that.
	And you see that now, you know, in these jury trials that are going on in Washington, D.C.
	for the J6 protesters.
	You can tell these juries, they don't care.
	They're going to vote whatever they think is the party line of their party, Democratic Party.
	That's it.
	Innocence or guilt, whether the law was or was not broken.
	Right.
	And if the accused happens to be a— They're not paying attention to that.
	And the problem is if the accused is a conservative, then they must, by dint of that, be guilty.
	We've been discussing the natural law, natural rights, the foreign policy of the United States prior to the 20th century that you say there was a return to with President Trump.
	Let me ask you, how significant was it that in 2015 the American population, by a factor of 64 million voters, chose somebody who wasn't a member of the existing political class and who was running for the first chose somebody who wasn't a member of the existing political class and who was running I find it intriguing that I have to remind my fellow Americans as an immigrant that
	It's a very unusual thing that a president is not a former governor, senator, retired general or congressman.
	In 2016, America did something unusual, did we not, Professor?
	Absolutely.
	Unprecedented.
	And of course, there's only one way to interpret that.
	It was a deep dissatisfaction on the part of a very large number of Americans, a majority or close to it, With our current way of life, our current government in particular.
	They're deeply aware, over and over again, our foreign policy has been a succession of losing effort.
	War after war, Americans go over there, they put their troops in, they get defeated.
	And what happens to the generals who led those defeats?
	They get promoted.
	Similarly with the modern state, right?
	All of the things they claim to do well, education, everyone sees this is not working well.
	It's not working as well as it used to.
	The welfare system, what about the criminal law?
	We see that it's very ineffectively applied in many towns and cities in this country.
	We now have this drug epidemic.
	People are dying left and right, you know, by the tens of thousands of opioid overdose.
	What is the government doing about that?
	Very little.
	This is the kind of stuff that Trump was pointing out in the campaign.
	And he also was very good at showing you, he used humor to show, these people are a bunch of potential, credentialed individuals Who actually have made a mess of things.
	So he made fun of them in a way that was amazing.
	It was memorable and very effective.
	We're talking to Professor Thomas G. West, Hillsdale College, hillsdale.edu, a superlative institution.
	He is the author of many works, amongst them the Political Theory of the American Founding.
	I'm Sebastian Walker, former strategist of the 45th President of the United States.
	This is America First on the Solar News Channel, coming to you from the ReliefFactor.com studios just outside the insalubrious, fetid, rank, malodorous swamp that is Washington, D.C.
	Professor, you've already mentioned my former boss President Trump's inauguration address, that speech that was lambasted as being far too dark.
	Let's listen to a little clip of his inauguration address.
	But for too many of our citizens, a different reality exists.
	Mothers and children trapped in poverty in our inner cities.
	Rusted out factories scattered like tombstones across the landscape of our nation.
	An education system flush with cash, but which leaves our young and beautiful students deprived of all knowledge.
	And the crime, and the gangs, and the drugs that have stolen too many lives and robbed our country of so much unrealized potential.
	This American carnage stops right here and stops right now.
	This American carnage, was that an unfair description of the state of the nation?
	And in the last two years, has it gotten worse, Professor?
	Yeah, that clip was great in the sense it reminded me of all the other parts of the Trump campaign signature issues that I didn't mention.
	One of them was, of course, This out-of-control immigration that was taking American jobs, one of his top themes in the 2016 campaign.
	We're going to build a war.
	We're going to enforce our immigration laws.
	The public knew that wasn't happening.
	Founding fathers thought immigration is a duty of government to control.
	It's part of the law of nations, and the law of nations is enforced by Congress.
	Each nation has a right to control its borders, decide who to let in.
	Second point about poverty, jobs.
	You know, we are outsourcing all of our jobs.
	Why?
	Because we gave up on the founders' policy of having tariffs to make sure our industries are protected and Americans are able to get jobs.
	That was, of course, a fundamental theme of the Trump administration, tried very hard, had some success in reestablishing, at least to some degree, the idea of tariffs as a protection to homegrown American industries and the provision of American jobs.
	And of course, the crime problem that he's referring to, the carnage, yes.
	Law enforcement, that was a top theme of the campaign.
	And we see now, today, how that's become even much worse, like far worse, than it was six years ago when he was Now, you mentioned the border, which is one of the key things that got President Trump elected.
	Now we have no national sovereignty.
	We're the only nation in the world that does not have a closed border.
	I know you served in Vietnam, so thank you, sir, for your service.
	I did this little Back of the envelope calculation for my Newsmax TV show.
	And it's just a totaling of warfighter deaths killed in action since World War II.
	War Two at 37,000 in Korea, Vietnam, 59,000, 7,000 since September the 11th in Afghanistan and Iraq, which is a total professor of 103,000 dead in 70 years.
	Last year, 2022, according to the CDC, more people died as a result of fentanyl deaths.
	A hundred and ten thousand deaths.
	Can a nation survive long when it has such a Well, obviously that is not a historically common situation.
	I think I find myself in this strange situation that I look at the elite, quote unquote, whether it's the New York Times or the White House, and they seem to hate their own country.
	How long can that last, Professor?
	Well, obviously, that is not a historically common situation.
	You know, the hatred of the government for its own people, I probably, one has to say, there must be many people in the government, many Many, I assume, are good people in our government who are not, who don't hate us.
	But it is true, you do wonder when you see these deliberate policies like, you know, hoisting off opioids on people to make profits.
	This has come out, it's become public, a public knowledge.
	We see this in the idea of the lockdowns that we're Well, how seriously did they actually mean that then?
	Was there really a COVID threat?
	Apparently there wasn't.
	There wasn't one to black people who were out demonstrating in 2020.
	There wasn't one to Governor Newsom who was hanging out at his favorite restaurants with his friends without masks on.
	This was that a lot, a large part of what modern government does, at least especially the most destructive part, are intentional, unfortunately.
	And then you have to wonder what is happening to the American soul that we would go along with this and allow these kinds of people to be elected.
	And well, Trump had an answer to that.
	Actually, They did vote for Trump when he had a fair chance.
	And then the question of what happened in 2020, as you know, is widely disputed.
	I don't necessarily, I don't necessarily accept the supposed results.
	Well, you're actually stealing my thunder or we're having some kind of psychic connection because that would have been my last question to you.
	So we have all these other things, open border, rampant crime, perpetrators being treated as victims, the workification of the military, you name it, on and on and on.
	Is it hyperbolic to say that perhaps one of the greatest threats To the future of the nation is is just the seems to be systematic disdain for the way that we choose our representatives and our president.
	The idea that 80 million ballots can be mailed out.
	We can have ballot harvesting signatures don't have to be checked.
	There's no election day.
	There's 45 days of voting in Virginia where I live.
	Could this not be perhaps the greatest threat, that the lack of integrity or even belief in the integrity of our election process, Professor?
	Absolutely.
	And so if you go back, that's one of the basic principles of the founding.
	In fact, the one issue that most directly kicked off the American Revolution was consent of the government.
	Britain had announced, we're going to govern you without your Without your consent.
	And so from now on, your elected legislatures may or may not be allowed to meet.
	We'll decide.
	We have today a situation in which the same problem has come back to bite us in a different form.
	As you said correctly, we now have an electoral process that is completely wide open and open to corruption.
	No nation in Europe governs its elections in the way we do.
	It's absolutely fake over here by Paris.
	And it's so easy to change and fix and store election results that it's very hard to say, do we still have election by consent of the government, by government by consent of the government?
	And right, that's something that has to happen.
	I would add another point, which is, how can you have public information?
	You know, public has to be able to know about what's going on in government in order to vote.
	If knowledge is something they acquire through the media, What happens when the media are controlled, to a very large degree, by a few top institutions that have decided, collectively, there are certain points of view we're not going to allow on here, whether they're true or false.
	That, too, undermines the possibilities of consent in the founders' sense of that word.
	I'm sad that we are out of time.
	However, it gives me reason to mention your work again.
	Please, everyone out there, the political theory of the American founding, it's another piece of evidence why Hillsdale is such an incredible organization that you should support.
	And if you have children or grandchildren, you should seriously consider sending them there.
	Professor, last thing I'd like to do with my more academic guests here Homework.
	If somebody has just been bitten by the bug of philosophy, if they haven't spent years like I did as an undergraduate, and decades like yourself, where should they begin their exploration in matters philosophical?
	What would you recommend as a starting point in terms of what they should read?
	Oh my.
	I don't know.
	I mean... The ancient Greeks?
	Start with the ancient Greeks?
	Or the Tocqueville?
	No, you know what I'd start with is, I'd start with naming Nietzsche.
	Nietzsche's not a man I agree with.
	He obviously thought the founding fathers here were wrong about equality.
	But for a diagnosis of the ills of the modern world, there's no better place to start.
	A philosophic diagnosis made a hundred and, what, 30 or 40 years ago now.
	Deep, you know, and it's a It gets you thinking.
	Genealogy of morals might be a good place to start on that point.
	Where did all these modern, wild ideas come from, and how can we literate ourselves from them?
	Nietzsche's idea was to illiterate yourself by going back to nature.
	By going back to what human nature is when it is strong, thriving, growing, trying to perfect itself.
	Now if you add, to me it's like, the Founding Fathers, they understood these points in a way, in their common sense way.
	You cannot have a healthy nation if it's merely protecting people's lives and allowing them to become degraded bourgeois citizens who have no higher ideals.
	You need also the aspirational features that come from, that we see articulated in philosophers.
	And so that, you know, that's my counter-cultural recommendation.
	I love it.
	Start with Nietzsche and then proceed to the works of our special guest.
	Thank you for your service to this nation in uniform and thank you for your continued service to this nation as Professor of Politics at Hillsdale.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	You've been listening to America First one-on-one.

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