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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Steve Bannon's proposal to do an end run around the RNC

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	One former Republican congressman described this strategy to me as actuarial arbitrage, and literally said that he has spoken to many Republicans who will put on the red hat and campaign for Trump and go up on stage with him, and then the next day say, I can't wait for this guy to die.
	That's a direct quote.
	And so I was taken aback by how often I heard this.
	I thought it was kind of a morbid, dark joke at first, but I heard it so often that it started to become clear that this was actually what a lot of Republicans believe, and it just speaks to the desperation in the party.
	I'm confused, McKay Kopins.
	Did one former congressman tell you, or did you hear it multiple times?
	Because that's a rather specific thing to have somebody tell you that they're a Republican, former congressman, who wants President Trump to die?
	Maybe if they're, I don't know, Adam Kinzinger?
	Maybe if they're Liz Cheney.
	Oh, by the way, that cut that we're opening the show with is from somebody called McKay Coppins, who is a staff writer, well, of course, for The Atlantic!
	Yeah, the hive of globalist left-wing claptrap.
	Oh, and what are his previous credentials?
	I'll give you two guesses.
	BuzzFeed or Politico?
	Oh, you guessed right!
	Both!
	Yes, the man who is now a staff writer for The Atlantic used to write For BuzzFeed and Politico.
	Perfect.
	Welcome dear friends.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First and we have so much to discuss.
	The number here is 833-33 Gorka.
	833-33-GORCA, 833-334-6752.
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	That is an example of a leftist, of a hack, of a non-journalist.
	But which is worse, being one of those, or being a rhino?
	A person who pretends to be a conservative, pretends to be a Republican, but who in fact hates the people who vote for the Republican Party.
	Detests those that actually built America and keep it running.
	People who have, oh, I don't know, The former position of strategist to Bush, the Bush family.
	Yes, GOP strategist.
	This is somebody called Scott Jennings who, well look, A. He's appearing on CNN, not to be combative like I did when I was in the White House, But to amplify CNN.
	Why would you go on CNN as a putative, as an alleged Republican, to support the garbage that CNN is spewing?
	Because you're not a Republican.
	And I'd like you to just pay attention to this man got paid.
	He's paid, probably quite handsomely, to strategize, to be a strategist for the Bush cabal.
	And how deep is his strategic analysis?
	Well, now he's turning his acumen onto President Trump and Ron DeSantis and the oncoming primaries.
	Let's listen to Scott Jennings, cutthroat.
	There's only one strategy for getting rid of Trump.
	It's to beat his ass.
	I mean, I don't know what else to say.
	Ron DeSantis is going to have to get in this race and beat him.
	That's the only way to make this go away.
	Now, he might have legal troubles and other things are going to happen.
	That's it.
	There's no other strategy except to run and get more votes and win.
	And there are things that will complicate that.
	Other people getting into the race, for instance.
	Yeah, but look, let me just tell you.
	You got Trump and DeSantis who are in a different universe in terms of their level of national support.
	And everybody else is like fighting for 1% of the rest of the oxygen.
	If DeSantis wants to make a go of this, the reservoir of support exists to do it.
	The message, the generational message exists to do it.
	But he's got to do it.
	So the deep strategic analysis from Mr. Scott Jennings, former GOP strategist to the Bush family, is Ron DeSantis, his strategy should be to beat Donald Trump's ass!
	Oh, and he added, to get more votes than Donald Trump.
	Now, I don't know how many years of training, how many master's degrees in poli-sci and campaigning it took for Scott Jennings to come up with the Insight that the only way to beat Donald Trump is to beat him.
	And the only way to get more votes than Donald Trump is to get more votes than Donald Trump.
	Jeff, are you out there?
	Are you impressed by this GOP strategist strategy?
	I would say to him, didn't we once have another Florida governor with all the money in the establishment behind him run against Trump?
	How'd that work out?
	But to go, even on this little CNN show with 300,000 viewers, and to say, the strategy DeSantis has to have is to beat him.
	Exactly.
	That's it.
	I guess that's all you got to do.
	I guess that worked as well for McCain as well.
	Thank you, Jeff.
	Look, I'm on Tuesdays now.
	I used to be Thursdays.
	He's changed the schedule because of some traveling he's doing.
	I was on with Alex Marlowe for Breitbart Sirius XM this morning, and I decided to interview him a bit.
	It might be his show, but I have fun because Alex is a smart guy.
	He is employee number one, employee number one of the Breitbart empire that Andrew created.
	And I wanted to get his take on the DeSantis vice Trump phenomena, the putative split or the, you know, he's the new head of America first.
	And whether President Trump has caused himself lots of problems with promoting the vaccine.
	And Ron DeSantis is so amazing because he kept Florida open.
	And we had a great discussion.
	We'll be posting the audio on our social media.
	Later today.
	But here's just a little reminder of Ron DeSantis' true track record.
	There is this narrative that certain people, former Trump supporters, conservative influencers, are pushing out there that Ron DeSantis kept Florida open forever.
	That he didn't want you to get vaccinated.
	He kept the schools open.
	It's a lie.
	It's not true.
	He unleashed parts, open parts of Florida after a shutdown that he was told not to do.
	President Trump advised him, you don't need to shut down the whole of the state.
	Concentrate on the hot zones.
	And he said no no no no we're gonna shut it down and we're gonna have vaccine stations and testing stations everywhere.
	Don't listen to me.
	Here's the clip.
	Here's the man himself, the governor of Florida.
	Last month, media reports came flying in that Florida would run out of hospital and ICU beds due to the coronavirus.
	They posted scary charts.
	They said we were a week or two behind Italy or New York.
	Yet we did not panic.
	In fact, in close coordination with local officials, we made fact-based, data-backed decisions to flatten the curve and protect Floridians.
	I declared a state of emergency and activated the Florida National Guard.
	I suspended visitation in nursing homes and assisted living facilities, and required strict screening procedures for all associated staff.
	I moved Florida students to virtual learning, and I issued a mandatory 14-day quarantine for visitors from coronavirus hotspots like New York.
	Just those three things there.
	A 14-day quarantine from people coming to Florida from hotspots.
	I mean, who else did that?
	And shutting down schools so they went to virtual learning.
	How come people have forgotten that?
	And then the most, the most horrific of all, suspending visits to elderly care facilities.
	The thing, you know, the shutting down of those facilities, the separation of the elderly from their families.
	Where is the open Florida governor?
	Now, I want there to be a primary.
	I want the strongest candidate standing to be the nominee for conservatives in 2024.
	But let's talk about the truth.
	Let's talk about people's real track records before we try and anoint them before the primary.
	Which, by the way, is not how we do things in America.
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	Mike's on.
	BNL in the chat points out, wasn't Georgia the first state to really open up?
	That is correct.
	Is it?
	That's right, yeah.
	I remember the media was going nuts.
	That's 100% true, they're the first one that did.
	And also, Abbott was the first one to get rid of Mass, not DeSantis.
	Yes.
	And the media just, like, tore Kemp apart.
	Let's mention that on there.
	Yep.
	It's true, folks.
	It's true.
	I don't even fault Ron for this.
	It's when he tries to pretend that he didn't do it.
	No, that's the point!
	That's the point.
	It's spinning the narrative.
	And like you said, Seb, he's just being coy about it.
	Like, you've got all these billionaires backing him, and he's just like, oh, what?
	Me?
	I don't know nothing!
	Like... Alright, are we dialing him up?
	Yeah, I'm getting this thing now.
	You want the mics off for Mr. Kelly?
	Kelly.
	Yep.
	All right. All right.
	All right.
	There's nothing we can't do.
	Nothing.
	When the hell has America ever, ever, ever set a goal that it didn't reach?
	When has it ever?
	Name me a time.
	Name me a time!
	Why is he shouting?
	That's really creepy.
	That's Joe Biden.
	They do say that dementia creates a lack of filter.
	I'm not a doctor.
	I'm just a PhD.
	But that's just creepy.
	Don't be creepy, Joe.
	You're already stiffing enough children's hair.
	It's just not what presidents should be doing.
	Not what men should be doing.
	All right, welcome back to America First.
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	He is my buddy, my Newsmax colleague, Greg Kelly.
	Stop shaking your head.
	He's coming to us from some beatnik cafe in Manhattan in his black shirt with his black background.
	Welcome to America First, Greg!
	Thank you so much, Sebastian.
	Seriously, congratulations on the weight loss and to the team there.
	I am a 36, but I should be a 32.
	And I really am all over that.
	And, you know, Sebastian, it's great to be with you.
	It's great to know you.
	I've been a fan ever since that epic takedown of Chris Cuomo on the White House lawn.
	There was nothing so good.
	And I'm like, who is this amazing person?
	And it was you.
	And anyway, I've been obsessed ever since, so thanks for having me.
	That's very kind.
	Jeff, find that clip.
	We'll play that in the next segment.
	That's when Chris Cuomo said live on air, presume I know nothing.
	And I said from the White House lawn, we will presume that you know nothing, Chris.
	It's a classic.
	You guys love it.
	All right, we're here to celebrate you.
	We're here to celebrate your new book.
	You are a warrior, not just on the air.
	You have earned your stripes as a lieutenant colonel.
	On active duty with the Marine Corps Reserve.
	Let's have a couple of photographs of this man in his prime.
	Look at that!
	Look at that individual.
	What a true warrior.
	And then in action as well, bloodied but never down.
	Why?
	Because he is a true warrior.
	You have a new book out.
	You're looking even more war-y, as we used to say in the British Army.
	Look at that.
	It looks like the French Connection.
	photograph justice for all Greg Kelly tell us a little bit about your book I want to talk about your TV show I want to talk about you and your dad but what's what's the book about well thank you and thanks for the pictures too that does bring me back you know the book is about where we are right now justice for all how the left is wrong about law enforcement you know the left has been wrong about law enforcement for a very long time And that's fine.
	You're allowed to think and do whatever you want in America, and you can be wrong, you can be crazy.
	But something happened during the summer of 2020, where mainstream America signed up overnight, unknowingly, for a crazy radical left-wing agenda, all in the name of racial justice.
	And from the NFL to the Boy Scouts, They signed up for something that sounded righteous, Black Lives Matter.
	Of course, who could dispute that?
	But in the fine print, or not so fine print actually, it was in bold at the time, they are for abolishing the police, they are for abolishing prisons, the nuclear family, capitalism, abolishing America.
	And this is what the left stands for.
	And it was really starting to impact my quality of life right here In New York.
	So I wanted to present in an organized fashion a bit of a history, actually.
	How did this start?
	It couldn't have happened overnight, like I said a moment ago.
	And it did and it didn't.
	The seeds have been there for a long time, all the way back, really, early 1900s.
	But they went into overdrive with Barack Obama and his presidency.
	I'll just say this one more thing.
	You know, there was a brief shunning moment there in 2008.
	When he secured the nomination, but he was not yet elected president, and he seemed to be, this is the guy who's going to talk about race in a way that most people can't.
	And he's gonna go in front of a black audience and say, we got a problem in the black community.
	We don't have enough black fathers sticking around to raise families.
	It's the number one driver of crime, according to the experts.
	Yet nobody talks about it, and not even Barack Obama, because the left says, we don't wanna hear about that, and they threatened him.
	And he was conflicted enough about his own race where he backed off.
	He backed off and really never went there again.
	Such a lost opportunity.
	And now our police, the job is already tough.
	You already had to risk your life and now you're risking your career as well.
	And very few people want to do that, understandably so.
	Why is he committed to this topic?
	Because of his middle name.
	He's Greg Raymond Kelly, and you may remember a certain Ray Kelly, who was one of the most successful commissioners of the New York Police Department.
	Your father must be shedding a tear for all the people who put on the Sam Brown and the badge every day, who try to do their job, but who are being undermined by the people above them, Greg.
	Yeah, the book is dedicated to my father, the longest serving police commissioner in New York City history.
	He came up through the ranks and became an enormously effective and popular police commissioner.
	When he left office in the end of 2013, his approval rating, according to the New York Times, was at 72%.
	72% these 72% with blacks and Hispanics he was at 63% we know as a culture we knew how to police how to police fairly aggressively within the law in a way that is kind of irrespective of race and And we ruined that.
	72%!
	The culture ruined that.
	And it's, there is, we can go back.
	It's possible because we know how to do it.
	But I like to say this, de Blasio, the worst mayor in the history of mayors, he campaigned on the idea that the police were broken.
	Then he pretended to fix what wasn't broken, and then he managed to actually break it.
	And the last thing, the way politics works these days, especially in New York City, you only have to appeal in a city of 8 million people to about 100,000 or so.
	And if you can get them to show up on primary day, which is the last day of school in June, you can become the mayor.
	And who turns out on the last day of school in June?
	Crazy people.
	Not all crazy people, but the activists, the activists, the people you really, the hardcore socialists, and sometimes the hardcore conservatives, but very, very few people.
	And you get a crazy person like Bill de Blasio as mayor.
	Yeah, and the sad thing is what you said, it's all doable, it can be undone, it can be fixed, whether somebody of your vision, or the vision of your father, or Rudy Giuliani, it can be saved, but right now it is in a sorry state.
	The book, freshly published, get it right now, is Justice for All by my colleague on Newsmax.
	What an incredible show host.
	We're going to talk about the way he runs his show in a moment.
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	We'll be back with the one and only Greg Kelly after these messages.
	And then we'll let you go.
	So, So kind of you, Sebastian, really.
	What a thrill.
	Thank you.
	I'm serious.
	That was so great.
	Give me caller number two and keep the mics up.
	Hey, who's this?
	What's your question?
	This is John.
	I was originally just going to call and say I'm enjoying the takedown of DeSantis and watching the Right-wing slowly deteriorates into multiple parties.
	Well, you know, we believe in disagreement unlike fascists and communists where you have to follow one leader.
	So John, you're either a fascist or a communist.
	Goodbye!
	That was so easy.
	So easy.
	How often do you Yeah, calls like that.
	Crazy calls.
	So I've got the best producer out there who screens the crazies out there.
	But nowadays it's been, what, like maybe one a day that we allow through?
	Jeff?
	About that.
	We'll usually take them in the breaks because they can't be normal without cursing.
	Yeah, they can't behave without cursing or getting sexually perverse.
	So we take them in the breaks when it's not broadcast on the radio.
	But we have fun.
	We have fun.
	So how bad is it in New York now?
	I haven't been back to Manhattan in ages.
	Are the restaurants still closed?
	What's it like?
	Restaurants are surprisingly active because a lot closed.
	So the restaurants that are open are more active.
	More people are going to the restaurants.
	It's actually harder to get information at the open restaurants because there are fewer of them.
	So there's that.
	But day in and day out, this is a remarkably different city from just less than a decade ago.
	What about the homeless situation?
	Because here we have ten cities two blocks from the White House.
	What's it like in Manhattan?
	We haven't seen it like this, I would say, since the early 1990s.
	It used to be it was kind of accepted, you know?
	There they are.
	It's supposed to be.
	It's back to where it was.
	It's not like the 80s, but They're there where they weren't there before, but the homeless I can deal with.
	It is the crime.
	I can't ride the subway anymore.
	I have had some near misses down there, and I'm a little bit of a cheapskate.
	I can't stand taking cabs.
	I really prefer the subway, but I can't go down there anymore.
	How long have you lived in New York?
	I've lived here on and off.
	Actually, what am I saying?
	I've been here for about 15 years.
	I was in Washington before that, and the Marine Corps before that.
	Right.
	I grew up in the suburbs of the city.
	So, a long time.
	All right.
	Well, I'm going to ask you a little bit about the Marine Corps, then I'm going to ask you about your show, and we'll mention the book again, and then we'll let you on your way.
	Sebastian, thank you very much.
	Anytime.
	You are hard to book, but we got you.
	Now that I have your wife's email, that's it.
	I have the secret code.
	She is an amazing person.
	I am totally, totally hapless on all things administrative and logistics.
	It's just, I finally recognize that.
	My life is so much better because I know I'm not good at it.
	You're a wise man that you've realized.
	All right, stand by.
	All right.
	Hi, this is President Trump, and Sebastian is really a friend of mine.
	He's a great guy.
	He's been with me from the beginning.
	Listen to him.
	We all learn.
	Thank you kindly, Mr. President.
	Love that liner.
	He's admitted... Oh, by the way, if you like this show, support those who make it possible.
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	We're back with my buddy, with a true patriot, with a Marine.
	Everybody loves the Devil Dogs.
	He's the host of the Greg Kelly Show on Newsmax every night, who's admitted to me in the break that he is hapless.
	He used the word hapless to describe himself when it comes to all things logistical and administrative, which makes me feel better because, you know, it's a crapshoot.
	You text Greg, You may get a response.
	You may not get a response, but I've got his wife's email and he's done now.
	I'm gonna rope him in when we need him.
	So, dude, how did you fly a Harrier?
	How did somebody who can't answer texts fly the coolest plane out there?
	Well, thankfully, when I was flying the Harrier, we did not have the smartphone.
	And as far as text, let's face it, text messages used to be fun.
	Now they become like email.
	You know what I mean?
	You gotta wade through it.
	You know, it's just, but yeah, the Harrier, gosh, I gotta tell you, people say, thank you for your service.
	I hear that when people find out I was in the military.
	I really feel a tinge, just a smidge of guilt, because I had such a great time in the Marine Corps.
	It was, A fascinating experience.
	It was an adventure.
	I got to go all over the world, meet incredible people that I would not have met otherwise.
	I flew over Iraq, landed on aircraft carriers.
	It was just... Hang on, hang on.
	Can we just stop there?
	Can we just stop there?
	No, no, no.
	He said he landed on aircraft carriers.
	He landed 158 times.
	158 times!
	On a boat, okay?
	On a ship.
	That's impressive.
	When I was a kid in England growing up, the Harrier was the coolest thing.
	Thirsty, right?
	Because of those, you know, directional jets.
	But what was it like to fly?
	I just got a geek out.
	What was it like to fly it?
	I was actually... It's interesting.
	I was actually a naturally good Harrier pilot.
	I will admit, the other aircraft that I had to fly first, the T-34, the T-2, the A-4, these, I always had trouble at first, you know what I mean?
	It's a new plane, it just seemed, each plane seemed too big for me when I, you know, the first couple of lessons.
	But there's something about the Harrier that I just, it was like, I was a natural, especially at landing, which is supposed to be the hardest part of it, Somebody told me, those procedures are written in blood.
	So if you follow the procedures, you'll be fine.
	And I just, that really stuck with me.
	The procedures will keep you alive.
	And the procedures are intense.
	They're in depth and they're particular, but I remember that.
	And it was, it was a privilege.
	I'll tell you this one more thing.
	It wasn't a walk in the park.
	Flying a Cessna, that's a picnic.
	Every flight in a Harrier is like a business trip And it's a really important business trip.
	You know what I mean?
	You're going with your boss or something like that.
	We miss the Harrier.
	I miss my Marines out of my civil service career.
	I spent two and a half years teaching at Quantico, so I miss my devil dogs.
	We've got to mention the book.
	It's out now, Justice for All.
	Get it.
	It's by Greg Kelly.
	Follow him, Greg Kelly USA.
	He has rather unusual Twitter.
	I love it when he tweets something and then he texts me and says, is this OK, Seb?
	Is this OK?
	Every single one he sent to me, it's OK.
	Let's talk about the show for a second.
	So God bless Hayley, Jessica, and Sophia who put up with this guy, because he doesn't have scripts.
	I don't have scripts, but he does it every night.
	Your team, when you're popping like 70 different sots and images in 12 minutes for a monologue, are you like having a Vulcan mind meld with your team?
	Because they just get you.
	It's a remarkable team, and thank you for acknowledging them.
	And I know they've supported you when you host.
	It's a lot of work, but I love it.
	I love it.
	I mean, it is unscripted.
	I have not written out anything, but I've thought a lot about it.
	And those elements that we present to the viewer, because it's very important, I think, for my show at least, for me.
	It's a show.
	I have to show people things.
	I have to take a look at this.
	I want to, have you thought about this?
	It's not good enough.
	There are people out there who can just talk for 20 minutes and be on camera, and they're mesmerizing.
	I don't think I'm one of those people.
	I have to have some special effects, if you will.
	Not gimmicks, but actual content that is curated by me, by us, And it works.
	It works.
	A bit of salt and pepper on that steak.
	That's what you're talking about, right?
	A little salt and pepper on the steak.
	That's what the elements are about.
	That's a good analogy.
	That's a very good analogy.
	I will allow you to use it.
	We are up against a hard break.
	This has been far too short.
	Can we get you back for a longer chat to talk about just the book and your dad?
	I would love it.
	I would love it.
	And maybe a little bit of Star Wars, because I see you're a Star Wars fan.
	I did not know... Sold!
	Done!
	Yes, we are big into Star Wars and sci-fi.
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	So from the break segment, do you want me to include the caller?
	Yes.
	Alright, and what do you want to call the video?
	Um... What shall we call it?
	Maybe something about the Harrier?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Um.
	New York's Demise and the Harrier Jump Jet.
	Jumbo Jet?
	No, Jump.
	It's a Jump Jet.
	Jump Jet.
	Sorry, I was gonna say.
	Demise and the Harrier Jump Jet.
	So you said flying a Cessna is like a walk in the park.
	Make sure I spell Harrier right with that one.
	Oh yeah.
	Jeff, can you get him on unless you've got all the one-on-ones?
	Can you get him on for a one-on-one next week?
	He's not... You're gonna have to do it with him during the show because his radio show is 1 to 3.
	Oh, his radio show is 1 to 3.
	Alright, yeah, during the show.
	That's fine.
	First hour or second hour.
	1 to 3?
	Yeah.
	What is it now?
	3... Ask him, yeah, whether he wants 3 or 4 o'clock.
	Okay.
	Coming in with Cuomo.
	That one never gets old.
	Nope.
	That and the Cartoon Network one.
	Oh yeah.
	For which I will never be forgiven by Anderson Cooper.
	All right.
	Let's do a little trivial pursuit.
	What is the most populous Muslim nation in the world, Chris?
	You tell me.
	These are your answers.
	No, no.
	You tell me.
	What is the biggest Muslim nation in the world?
	No, you tell me.
	I want to give you the opportunity to lay it out.
	Go ahead.
	Assume I know nothing.
	It's Indonesia.
	I will assume you know nothing.
	Assume I know nothing.
	Yes, we will assume you know nothing, Chris Cuomo.
	Thank you to Greg Kelly for reminding me of that interview I did from the lawn of the White House with CNN and Chris Cuomo.
	What does Chris Cuomo do nowadays?
	He's lost his job right at CNN.
	Where is Fredo?
	Where are you, Fredo?
	We're going to go to your calls momentarily.
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	Sam, welcome to America First.
	Actually, my name's Ted.
	Ted?
	Ted, that's a bit different from Sam.
	Do we have some serious problems in the audio department for our call screeners?
	I don't know, but my apologies.
	Welcome, anyway.
	Well, I called in because I wanted to talk about DeSantis, but can I make a comment about Greg and his book?
	Totally!
	You have the best guest.
	I'm sorry, I listen to your show every day at 3 o'clock out here in New York.
	When that guy said that Barack Obama dropped the ball when he had a chance to talk about the male role models being absent in the colored community, I take care of a girl whose both parents left her hanging.
	And she's just a wonderful person.
	I didn't legally adopt her, and I bring her through the school, and I hear people talk about that, because Candace Owens talked about that, too.
	It really touches me inside, because I feel it every day, that this girl is such a wonderful girl.
	She's in college now.
	She's going to graduate this year.
	What age was she when her parents abandoned her?
	I'm just curious, Ted.
	Well, the father, right out of the womb.
	And then he tried to come back into her life when she was in her teens, And they disappeared again.
	So I felt and I went through the hurt with her back and forth, right?
	And then just recently, her mom is at some mental issues and things have separated them.
	And it's like, I just feel so bad for her situation.
	I didn't have that growing up, but you know what I feel good about?
	As I was able to step in there, cause I've been in the same neighborhood for 27 years and help her out.
	And she always thanks me so much and says, I'm a rock.
	And I said, you know what?
	You adopted me.
	Because I don't have my own kids.
	And I don't have any why I go to work every day.
	Since I've been helping her out, she's my why.
	Well, God bless you, Ted.
	God bless you, Ted, for doing that.
	And stay on the line.
	I want to show you my appreciation.
	But you didn't ring in because of Greg Kelly, right?
	Oh, can I get him back?
	Can I get Ted back?
	Line three.
	I didn't want to lose him.
	I want him back.
	All right, but he's not connected.
	Ted, are you there?
	Yeah, I'm here, go ahead.
	Yeah, so tell us, you wanted to comment about DeSantis and President Trump?
	I did, I did.
	Listen, I'm an avid Trump supporter.
	You know what, DeSantis has done some good things, and I'll give him credit where credit is due, but I remember what you talked about and what you shared on your show, that when he was shutting down Florida and letting people see the folks in the old folks home.
	And I remember Donald Trump saying that should be a choice and not a directive.
	Yeah.
	And I just love Donald Trump.
	I'm sorry.
	That's all there is to it.
	He's the best president we've ever had.
	And I don't care that people can come up with comments and say, you know, maybe he's not the greatest guy.
	So what?
	None of my business.
	He's the greatest president we've ever had.
	All right.
	Don't give her last name.
	What is the first name of the young lady you took under your wing, Ted?
	Angelina.
	Angelina, stay on the line, Ted, and we're going to send you signed copies of The War for America's Souls separately for you, Ted, and for Angelina.
	God bless you.
	What a great, great story.
	And when we're on the break, I'm going to text Greg Kelly to tell him what Ted said about him after he left the show.
	Yeah, the guests, the callers and the guests make it.
	You've got to have a guy with a cool accent, but the callers and the guests make this show.
	All right, let's go to Adam waiting patiently in Arizona.
	Hey, Sebastian, thanks for taking my call.
	I just wanted to go ahead.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Um, I just wanted to say, uh, you know, I'm an avid Trump supporter like your last caller.
	The man has done tremendous things for our country, continues to do tremendous things and will in the future do tremendous things for our country.
	Um, the only thing that I guess is kind of, I guess, I guess I'm looking for some education Um with the Santas.
	You know, I live in a state where we had another questionable election.
	Um and now our leadership is not looking so great.
	Um so I've often looked to the sand this and what he's done with Florida.
	Um and there's been a lot of good thing that he's done.
	Um you know, I guess I don't see the bad and I'm not saying the guy is perfect or anything like that, but.
	Look, the issue here is very simple, okay?
	Number one, Adam, you have to look at who is backing him right now and who, you know, billionaires who've given millions of dollars to the Obama campaign, the Obama Foundation, to rhinos like Senator McCain are now lining up behind Ron DeSantis.
	Now, that doesn't mean he's necessarily a rhino or a swamp creature, but it's not a good sign.
	Likewise, when there are key issues, if you're meant to be the new face of conservatism, if you're being, you know, heralded as the man who has to replace President Trump, well, guess what?
	Then you have to talk on big national issues and not just the border because you're from Florida.
	The fact that Ron DeSantis hasn't said word one, word one about the persecution of conservatives after January the 6th means his position, his position as the head of the conservative movement is in doubts.
	So ask questions.
	Let's have a competition.
	Let's have a primary.
	And of course, he spent five and a half years in Congress, which means he's a politician even before he became governor.
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	We do have cut eight.
	It's muffled because it's by the helicopter, but... Yeah, can you just play that for me again?
	If the, uh, special counsel was starting to do gas for your testimony, would you give testimony?
	Well, I don't know if I can tell you.
	Mr. President, I... I could barely hear what he said.
	And 9.
	Cut 9.
	1.4 million.
	Excuse me, a 1.4 million, a 1.4 mile stretch with a tight curve so the trains kept a slow to 30 miles an hour.
	Wow.
	I want to use one of those.
	Uh, no, come in with Bannon.
	Bannon, cut, six.
	Alrighty, one minute.
	What do we have a title in mind for, uh, Miss Lauren?
	Uh, let me think, let me think, let me think.
	Something about dogs, perhaps?
	We do love dogs here in America First.
	Um, yeah.
	Big dogs and the conservative movement.
	Yeah, I know.
	You see what I did there?
	You see what I did there?
	We've got sharks and then we've got whales in the conservative media landscape.
	Have you got all the titles now?
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	So just take, I understand you guys are still worked up, whatever you do, don't send them any money.
	Just take a deep breath, there's going to be a program and a plan for all of it.
	Just take a deep breath for what happened in Maine, what happened in Arizona are quite important, taking back these state parties, the precinct strategy, all of it.
	That went viral yesterday.
	That's my former boss, Steve Bannon, saying, don't give the RNC a penny.
	We have a plan.
	We've booked him.
	We're going to have him on the show for an hour.
	He's going to be on on Friday, right?
	Jeff, Steve Bannon?
	Hour three, Friday.
	Whoa, guys.
	It's like our guest, you know, like our callers, Ted said, we get the best guests.
	Let's go to your calls, because you are crucial to this show.
	Seth, Wyoming, line one.
	How are you, sir?
	Good.
	What's your question?
	What's your comment?
	Two comments.
	One on the challenge coins.
	I would like to suggest that you guys come up with a Patriot collection series where you create a coin for different events, noting, for example, when President Trump announced his 2024 run, when the 20s stood strong for America, things like that.
	I'm a collector, and I think that would be a wonderful idea.
	Second point before we get to our next call?
	Second point.
	I wish maybe as a strategist you could get this ball rolling.
	It would be nice if the Republicans would just come out and say, President Trump is our rightful president, and we're going to come out with a declaration or a resolution stating that.
	This year we're going to forego, or in 2024, we're going to forego all the political theatrics.
	We're going to set America right again.
	We're going to eradicate communism, socialism, every ism that has been set up against the knowledge and the glory of God.
	Yeah, no, sorry.
	Conservatives don't do that.
	We're not going to anoint somebody, even if they were the last president and the election was a fraudulent election.
	I don't like that.
	That's not how we do things in a representative republic.
	But thank you, Seth.
	Ross, Florida, line two.
	Oh, Dr. Gorkas, great to talk to you again.
	I was listening to Steve this morning on War Room talking to an expert on AI who is extremely concerned about the dangers of dehumanization from AI.
	And he wanted to accelerate global governance so that we could control AI.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Steve Bannon had a guest who wants to accelerate global governance on Wall Street?
	Right.
	In order to control AI.
	And I wanted to ask you what you thought was the greater danger.
	The whole trend.
	This is the one big thing apart from his Chinese contracts that worries me about Elon Musk is the whole transhumanism gig he's on.
	AI out of control also I've seen terminated but more global governance.
	Okay Ross I'm gonna have to check the This morning's war room, because I'd love to see Steve Bannon's response to that.
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	Conrad!
	Yes, sir.
	How we doing?
	Fine, thanks.
	I'm just sending you the piece.
	I intended to do it.
	I'm just sending you the piece that I wrote for the New York Sun that I sent in last night.
	I will read it while you are giving me your sagacious answer to my first question on China.
	I've just said it now to Jeff.
	Look, I was talking to Victor Hanson and Bill Bennett in our podcast yesterday about this.
	I think Trump is starting to gain ground.
	I agree.
	I agree.
	Absolutely.
	And now he's back on the campaign trail as well.
	Look, this documents thing.
	Is absolutely hilarious.
	Have you ever seen such floundering around?
	That's what's going on here.
	Unbelievable.
	But you know, Miranda Devine from Sydney, Australia is doing, I mean sitting in Sydney, is doing the work for the Delaware U.S.
	Attorney.
	I mean, if Hunter Biden was using that stuff, As part of his influence peddling operation, that whole regime is going to blow up.
	Yep, yep, yep, absolutely.
	We will discuss that in the second segment.
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	It's Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	Yes, indeed.
	You heard them at Davos last week.
	A billion people giving up meat.
	On whose orders?
	How are you going to implement that?
	Let's talk geopolitics.
	Let's talk a very disturbing statement from a four-star general that was just released on Friday but dated tomorrow.
	With our regular guest, one of your true favorites, presidential historian, man about town, former media mogul, justice reform advocate, and author of books you just need to have in your library.
	Lord Conrad Black, welcome back to America First.
	Thank you so much, Sebastian.
	Thank you for your generous introduction.
	Oh, absolutely.
	Every word.
	I wish it could be longer.
	Here is General Mike Minihan, who heads Air Mobility Command, which is 110,000 members of the U.S.
	military, who says the following in his letter of Friday.
	I hope I am wrong.
	My gut, however, tells me we will fight China in 2025.
	Pentagon officials have said that that assessment is not consistent with American military assessments.
	However, isn't it something that we should at least cock an eyebrow at when a four-star Air Force general predicts that we are within a year and a half going to be at war with China?
	Well, yeah, I guess we should, but I don't agree with him.
	All right, let's expand.
	I mean, you are the co-host of a podcast with great strategic minds like Victor Davis Hanson.
	I enjoy listening to your discussions with Bill Bennett as well.
	So tell us what your assessment is.
	Well, I think that it would be a disaster for China to enter into such a war, so it won't do it.
	I mean, I think a great many of your listeners would agree with You and me, that this administration has not communicated the strength that it should.
	And of course, the debacle in Afghanistan can be taken as an invitation to any country that wants to inflict itself forcefully on a neighbor that the United States shouldn't be too, you know, shouldn't be too much feared.
	But I think it would be a mistake in this case.
	And my impression is that this administration, for all its shortcomings, It is quite determined not to be bullied by China.
	And I thought that when it was inserted in the Defense Authorization Act, specifically that in the event of a People's Republic attack on Taiwan, the United States would, as President Biden said in Tokyo, even though his entourage, as usual, walked it back a bit, the United States would intervene directly to support Taiwan against such an attack.
	And in those circumstances, China would have to be insane to do it.
	You can war game all you want, but it would mean trying to send 500,000 men in landing craft, ocean transport, but very vulnerable, slow vessels, only about 10 or 12 knots, 500,000 men, Over three times as much water as General Eisenhower's forces had to cover in invading Normandy, and he possessed complete domination of the sea and the air, which the Chinese would not do.
	And it would be an insane operation, absolutely insane, and they're not going to do it.
	And I don't think they're going to do it anytime soon.
	I believe that the more prevalent theory, with all due respect to this Air Force general, is that China will try and ramp up intimidation of Taiwan.
	Intrusions in airspace and harassments in commercial matters and so on.
	But that is not going to war with the United States.
	It would be so terribly dangerous for China to do such a thing.
	It is not anywhere nearly as strong a military power or power generally as the United States is.
	It has no resources.
	None of its institutions except elements of the armed forces are trustworthy.
	It's a country that is still 40% a command economy.
	It's a marvelous development story of a country that was really an underdeveloped and very poor country bootstrapping itself up.
	That is a tremendous success, no question about it.
	But you do not overnight go from where they were, even where they are now, to the point where you can actually challenge the country that has been the most powerful in the world for the last century and has seen off Nazi Germany with allies, but it would have allies against China as well, seen off the Soviet Union.
	And the United States has its fluctuations.
	It has, in my opinion at the moment, not a competent administration.
	But a direct challenge against the United States in a state of war?
	And no sane person would enter into such a place.
	So can we find some kind of logic to the incursions of sovereign airspace, the bellicose language coming out of the People's Liberation Army, and then a Chinese government statement saying that Kevin McCarthy, the new Speaker of the House, should not be visiting Taiwan.
	What is the purpose here?
	Is this just rusty saber rattling?
	Yeah, I think saber rattling and shaking the tree.
	I mean, you know, if you don't ask, you don't get.
	So you see if you can intimidate somebody just by making belligerent noises.
	Now, this is probably the only incident in many years, other than her expressions of sympathy for her husband, where I agreed with Speaker Pelosi.
	She can go to Taiwan if she wants.
	It's none of China's business.
	And so can Speaker McCarthy.
	I mean, the Chinese leadership, or that mentality where they think that if they bellow loudly, it's apt to have an intimidating effect, and perhaps it would on a on a smaller country.
	I mean, I don't doubt that they clearly they can intimidate Hong Kong.
	It's a, you know, it's a, it's a, it's a mouse under the paw of the cat.
	So they can do that.
	And it's a, it's just one city.
	But they didn't learn from being virtually thrown out of Myanmar by the Burmese colonels.
	And they haven't learned from having a lot of these gigantic belt and road projects of theirs turn into terrible fiascos in Africa and even in Ecuador.
	The Chinese, it is a great historic nationality.
	No one disrespects it as a country.
	But they have a lot to learn on how great powers conduct themselves.
	You can't just suddenly increase your GDP and become a very formidable country economically, and set about trying to take over the world.
	I mean, you're just going to unite everybody against you.
	And except for the Russians, who are only crackling to the Chinese because of the catastrophic strategic blunder of their leader in Ukraine.
	And historically, of no great use for China, as we well remember.
	Except for Russia, no serious country is particularly friendly to China, or apt to do what they're told by the Chinese.
	Not South Korea, not Vietnam, their former close allies.
	Certainly not Japan or India, with whom, in the case of India, they're almost at war skirmishing in the Himalayas.
	And the Chinese, you know, as the Secretary of Defense, Austin, Well, I think it's probably the best member of that administration, along with the CIA director.
	As he said, they're not 10 feet tall.
	They're a great country, but they can't bully everybody else around, and they certainly cannot intimidate the United States.
	And to those reports from Peter Zeehan and other strategic observers that the real challenge is domestically, and that especially after the COVID lockdowns, China is very, very fragile economically.
	Do you give any credence to those?
	Yeah, it has a greater debt problem even than our major Western countries, and it has the disadvantage of having institutions that don't publish one single number that anyone can believe.
	They're not really a full participant in the international economic system, because no one can believe the statistics they publish.
	And there are, you know, the cost of the immense development, the tremendous successes it is, that they've had, is that there are terrible levels of death throughout the public sector in China, which is, of course, very large as a percentage of the whole country, of its economy, and there is a terrible level of corruption.
	Now, all countries have some corruption.
	Some countries, very little.
	But of the great powers, China, with the exception of Russia, but Russia's GDP is smaller than Canada's.
	It's economically not such a great power.
	But of the great powers, China is uniquely corrupt.
	I mean, compared to the G7 countries, for example.
	And you can live with that, of course, but it's inefficient.
	There are a lot of vulnerabilities there, and the regime never tells the truth.
	I mean, people simply vanish.
	Prominent citizens simply vanish.
	Especially if they've been investigating what happened in Wuhan a few years ago.
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	It's a three-volume political history of the world.
	Oh my gosh!
	It's an ambitious project.
	Oh my gosh, I can't wait!
	Who's the publisher, if I may ask?
	New English Review in Nashville, Tennessee.
	So are these going to be doorstops, or are they going to be precis?
	How large are these?
	No, they'll be pretty big books.
	They'll be about a thousand pages each.
	But, you know, it's the whole history of the world.
	I mean, the political history.
	I'm not going into...
	Sociology and things like that, but it's still, in the first volume, I get all the way through, you know, the ancient world as far as the death of Augustus, so all the way through to the beginning of the Christian era.
	It may not sound like much, but believe me, when you get through with the Egyptians and the Greeks and the Jews and Babylon and Assyria, and then the Romans finally stabilizing things and pulling things together, It's a great deal of work.
	Well, I'm glad I asked you.
	That is tremendously exciting.
	Eric, will you come in with Cut 3 again?
	Cut 3 again.
	And what is it going to be called?
	Just a history of everything by Lord Black?
	A political and strategic history of the world from earliest times to the present.
	But this volume will only get us to 14 AD.
	But I expect to get to the Treaty of Westphalia in the second volume, which I'm working on now.
	Will it be ready in time for Christmas so I can treat myself?
	I think the first volume will be, yes.
	Yes.
	Superb.
	Superb.
	Well, I'm glad I asked.
	We'll have to have a very long discussion for when the book comes out.
	I would love that.
	90 seconds.
	How do you feel it's going politically, Sebastian?
	I think it's early days.
	I think he's, if you look at the polling, I mean the Harvard poll that had him even 25, 26 points above Ron DeSantis means he is the man who has to be reckoned with.
	But again, two years out is a long time and right now we're just having to deal with this faux Fracas between President Trump and DeSantis, which is really being generated by those who just want to generate something artificial.
	Yeah, I would hope that they can keep it reasonably civil because DeSantis should be the nominee in 2028.
	So if he's smart and places cards right, then it's his for 2028.
	Yeah, and he's only in his 40s, you know, but I think I think in the last month or so, President Trump has played it very well.
	I mean, he's avoided anything awkward, and he looked very good and successful supporting McCarthy.
	And putting a little distance between himself and some of the more flamboyant members of the Freedom Caucus and so on.
	And I just have the impression that... He's going well.
	Well, stop by.
	There's nothing we can't do.
	Nothing.
	When the hell has America ever, ever, ever set a goal that it didn't reach?
	When has it ever?
	Name me a time.
	Name me a time!
	Very strange.
	He's at a public event talking about the Hudson Tunnel and Amtrak and he's screaming.
	Why is the incumbent of the White House screaming?
	It is so very, very strange.
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	His website is ConradMBlack.
	Lord Black, you have a brand new article at the Washington Sun where you describe this the hashtag Biden file scandal we have just found out which of course you know the FBI was involved in long before The White House has admitted they were involved as one of the silliest political crises in American history.
	Please elaborate.
	By the way, it's the New York Sun.
	Sorry, New York Sun, yes.
	But it is, as I put in that piece, unless one thing happens.
	But the reason I think it's silly is because, to me, it is absolutely inconceivable That President Trump or President Biden or Vice President Pence, any of them, or President Carter, that any of them violated the Espionage Act.
	I just don't believe that.
	And I mean, I'm no great booster of President Biden, but I don't think that he would improperly use classified material in a way that endangered the national security.
	I just, he wouldn't do it.
	Therefore, I think essentially what happened was it started out as a political hit job on Trump coming up to the midterm elections and unfortunately it was rather successful.
	It created this atmosphere of chaos.
	It reminded the country of how contentious things were when Trump was in the forefront.
	And Biden cut his negative approval rating from 20 percent to 10 percent.
	So it was a success tactically.
	But it was just a classic case of the Democratic Party managers telling the attorney general what to do.
	Which is a disgrace and an outrage and probably an impeachable offense if you can get the evidence.
	But then for this to back up into Biden himself, the same sort of thing.
	To me, it was a clear indication that the Democrats realize they can't run with Biden again, and since he is making noises about running again, they're moving to ease him out.
	So as an actual scandal, it is nonsense, but it's interesting politics.
	However, the wild card in the whole thing, as we were talking about earlier, Miranda Devine, the fine journalist for the New York Post, who lives and works in Sydney, Australia, Um, is and is a great authority and published a book about the Hunter Biden and who broke that story for the New York Post.
	Absolutely.
	And is a wonderful reporter and a fine television personality, too.
	But she, uh, she is pointing out that if since these documents were lying around in the Biden residence, What are the chances that Hunter Biden was using them as supportive material in his influence peddling around the world?
	And if there is anything to that, it's just an allegation, so we mustn't rush to conclusions, and not even an allegation, a raising a possibility.
	If there is any truth to such a suggestion, That is not silly.
	That really is politically dangerous, and I think probably it would sink the administration.
	Tell us, you mentioned in the article a name from Delaware.
	Who is David Weiss?
	Well, he is the United States Attorney in Delaware who has had carriage of the grand jury investigation into the Biden family, and Hunter Biden in particular, for three and a half years.
	And as I think I said in that piece, he wins the John Durham Prize for protracted ineffectuality.
	I mean, Durham had, what, three years to produce something serious in the whole Russia-Trump collusion thing, and the mountain gave birth to a mouse, and he lost the two cases he had because In Washington, D.C., if you're a Republican, that is an offense, and you can be sent to prison for it.
	And, you know, every jury is stacked against you.
	But this man Weiss hasn't produced anything.
	He hasn't indicted anybody.
	He hasn't done anything.
	He's given no indication—I mean, publicly—he's given no indication of where he's headed in this.
	And meanwhile, it just goes burbling on.
	To me, it is an absolutely disgraceful performance.
	I mean, I'm not saying Biden's guilty, but if he's innocent, let's hear it.
	Whether there's enough to charge anybody or there isn't, and therefore the whole thing should end as a controversy, in either case, we should know.
	The Twitter account is Conrad M. Black.
	His pieces can be read in the New York Sun.
	You mentioned in the piece, you know, the effect upon Trump, how now this collapses the Mar-a-Lago accusations.
	After the midterms, he seemed, you used the phrase, unelectable.
	I myself thought that after January 6, he'd have to go into the wilderness at least for a few years.
	But all of that seems to be changing rather rapidly, does it not?
	I think it does.
	I think it does.
	I think he's been very judicious in his public comments for the last month or so.
	And I think this increasing embarrassment of the administration does finally make it much more difficult for them to just point at Trump and elicit a sentiment of moral revulsion against this self-evidently corrupt person.
	I mean, that's what they've got away with for the last six years.
	They've slung so much mud at them that all I have to do is make any allegation, no matter how absurd, such as the impeachability of the phone call to President Zelensky or the idea that he or incidentally anyone ever nominated by a major party to the office of President of the United States such as the impeachability of the phone call to President Zelensky or the idea that he or incidentally anyone ever nominated by No one ever in that position would have done it.
	No one.
	Not Aaron Burr.
	Not anybody.
	And And it was utterly preposterous.
	But that is the point to which public opinion was softened up on Trump, and it made him very vulnerable, including up to and including the midterm elections.
	If Biden were jettisoned, and we only have a minute left, if Biden were jettisoned by his own party, which one of the alternatives would be the strongest candidate for the Democrats in your estimation?
	Look, I'd be really shooting from the hip here.
	I don't buy the Michelle Obama theory.
	I think she'd be blown to pieces.
	But I think it would be sort of a dark horse, like Sherrod Brown or Bennet, the senator from Colorado.
	I mean, they're not well known in the country now, but I think they would be presentable candidates who would make a respectable run for it.
	But the Democrats, whoever they've got, are not easily going to, you know, carry the The ankle and the chain and dead weight around their ankle of the Biden administration in the next election.
	We have been talking to Lord Conrad Black.
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	He ran six years ago.
	A great many people just didn't take it seriously.
	Right.
	And when he ran two years ago, the smear job on him was so heavy and the rigging of the vote counting rules and so on was so outrageous.
	It was just terribly difficult.
	But he's a survivor and I think he I think he may be winning his war of attrition with his enemies, because now that they can't just sit there slinging mud at him and actually have to try and run an administration themselves under are doing a terrible job of it.
	It's a lot harder for them.
	Well, if you look at, you know, the various members of the Biden administration, most recently the Commissioner for Customs and Border Patrol, who the White House are preventing from testifying on Capitol Hill.
	I mean, that just tells you.
	I mean, when you're not allowing your own people to testify, it means they're running for the hills.
	Indeed they are!
	Barefoot at that.
	All right.
	Well, did you say you'd finished the galleys or the manuscript had been sent?
	This manuscript, they've got a first draft of it.
	Wow.
	I'm sending the whole thing, footnotes and all next month.
	I'll send you the galleys if you want.
	I would be honored to have a gander before anybody else gets to see it officially.
	No, just let me clean them up for a few days and I'll send them to you.
	But they're voluminous.
	I mean, it's a big book.
	I'll tell you what, I'll put a guide in there.
	I mean, you'd find, say, Alexander the Great and Julius Caesar more interesting than, you know, some of these ludicrous wars that went on in Asia Minor and so on.
	I would be delighted.
	Thank you, Conrad.
	Okay.
	Congratulations on writing the first volume.
	Thank you so much, Sebastian.
	All the best.
	Bye-bye.
	I love how he just goes so nonchalantly and says, oh, it's just political history of the world.
	Yeah, just, the world.
	My book on the world.
	From the death of Augustus onward.
	Yeah, I'm up to AD 14 in the first volume.
	God bless him.
	Alright, 90 seconds.
	has got a ton on mine for that one.
	What was the first segment segment?
	Second segment was Biden.
	First segment was... Oh, China.
	Taiwan.
	Oh, China.
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	Hopefully he is right about that one.
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	Line one, Alexis.
	Oh, hi!
	Dr. Gorka, please bear with me for a minute.
	No one could ever get America back on track like President Trump.
	The demos have already gone after him all they could, to the point of making up and paying for such stories to do so.
	As well, Trump has always come out clean.
	Buchanan has no experience with foreign affairs or heads of state like President Trump has, and dealt with successfully and respected for.
	And DeSantis, like you said, wouldn't even be known if it wasn't for Trump.
	And President Trump has always proven his success during his true presidency, which was not a fake presidency at that.
	And also, as far as DeSantis goes, I never really trusted DeSantis.
	Oh, this is interesting.
	Why, Alexis, did you never trust the governor of Florida?
	I always listen to live speeches.
	I don't listen to the news.
	You can't trust the news.
	But I've listened to his speeches for some time.
	And it was for some time, and only recently actually do what he said he was going to do.
	And that was only when other states jumped in on the bandwagon.
	I realize that he's a politician, you know, from listening to all his speeches.
	And he actually is.
	Just tell me, what is it about watching him live?
	Is it a lack of authenticity?
	Is there something artificial?
	I'm so curious, Alexis.
	Yeah, I just have learned from the past, since Hillary, to always listen to live.
	I listen to the Mueller report.
	I've read the Mueller report, both volumes.
	I just don't trust What anybody's going to say or even afterwards when they start changing their point of view.
	Unless I listen to their speeches live and remember exactly what they actually said.
	I don't know if that helps explain it.
	No, no.
	It totally does.
	It totally does.
	You're a very, very wise individual.
	It's the first thing you should always do.
	Primary sources.
	Primary sources.
	Thank you, Alexis.
	What a great call.
	Let's go to line two.
	Mark, Texas.
	Sebastian, first of all, let me say thank you to you, Steve Bannon, and the rest of you all for keeping everything alive and keeping us knowledgeable of what's going on.
	Number one, the guy that you had on before that woman, I totally disagree with him.
	Trump had nothing to do with the midterm losses.
	If anything, he helped.
	He didn't say that.
	He didn't say that.
	He was deemed afterwards to have less of a shot.
	Lord Black never said he was responsible for it, but carry on.
	Well, I listened to what he said.
	He was blamed for the losses.
	That doesn't mean that he was actually responsible.
	That's a different thing, but carry on.
	Well, I think the losses had to do with the message that McCarthy sent out.
	Oh, and Mitch McConnell.
	Come on.
	Yeah, but I mean, McCarthy, because they sent out that contract, kind of like a contract with America, and I got it, and it didn't say anything.
	No, it didn't.
	It was just empty, wasn't it?
	Exactly.
	And the contract with America from Newt was extremely specific, and if McCarthy had If he had made the promises that are now happening, if he had made them in writing, we would have swept.
	Yeah, what an interesting idea, Mark.
	Imagine if somehow the Freedom Caucus or the 20 Patriots had managed to squeeze McCarthy before the midterms to say, this is what we're going to do with the debt ceiling, with no more omnibus bills.
	We could have had a very different result, couldn't we?
	Exactly, sir.
	You're exactly right.
	I don't think they could squeeze him.
	I think McCarthy got pushed at the end when he couldn't get the vote.
	Yes, yes.
	They were in a position of leverage.
	You're absolutely right.
	And they did it.
	And we salute the 20.
	God bless every single one of them.
	Great calls.
	Thank you, Mark.
	We'll get back to your calls here on America First.
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	All righty.
	All right.
	Where are we?
	Um, Um, um I'm gonna ask you a question here, Jeff, and I'm gonna use Cut10.
	Alright.
	Use Cut10.
	Oh yeah, this'll be fun.
	Two minutes.
	Oh, and can you play me cut seven again?
	Now, if you have a heart, what happened to the 29-year-old father, skateboarder, FedEx driver, and amateur photographer should outrage you.
	It should shock and disgust you, as should the so-called brothers who chose to behave like a little blue gang rather than as black men.
	But it damn sure shouldn't surprise you.
	What happened to Tyree Nichols was as American as apple pie.
	What does she mean?
	I guess... Black people beating black people up is American?
	I didn't want to say it, but yeah, black on black crime, I guess, is American.
	No, police killing.
	I mean, yeah, that's what she's going for, but yeah.
	They always go out of their way to say, like, oh, he was a skateboarder, he was a photographer, like, they always do that.
	Right, because, you know, Adolf Hitler collected stamps, but we don't call him a stamp collector.
	He was a painter!
	Oh, sorry, yes!
	He was a painter.
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	On May 11th.
	What?
	What month?
	Are we even in February, Eric?
	What month is this?
	This is the last day of the month of January 2023.
	Does he even know?
	Maybe he thinks it's April.
	May 11th?
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	Sheer insanity.
	All right, got a clip here from a man who, I don't know, allegedly he's a conservative.
	He's from the Carolinas and Lindsey Graham is coming out batting for President Trump.
	I don't get this guy.
	Maybe Mr. G can help me.
	Cut 10.
	Play cut.
	There are no Trump policies without Donald Trump.
	You know why NATO gave $431 billion in defense spending increases?
	Because they thought that Trump really meant it when he said he was going to pull out.
	You know why we moved the embassy of the United States to Jerusalem?
	Every president before Trump said, I will do it, but then all those smart people said it will create World War III.
	Trump said, I said I would do it, I would do it.
	He is responsible for securing the border through his personal will.
	When he put tariffs on Chinese products, it scared the crap out of Mexico.
	And they said, yes, we'll be glad to give you 28,000 troops.
	We'll be glad to keep people in Mexico.
	Because he thought Trump, they thought Trump would put tariffs on Mexican policies.
	There are no Trump policies without the man, Donald Trump.
	And to all these people who are very talented, I don't think you could do what he could, What he did, and I want him to have another shot.
	Unfinished business.
	A deep analysis, just like that GOP strategist from the first hour, the bushy Scott Jennings who said, DeSantis, the strategy to beat Trump is to beat Trump.
	And then we have Lindsey Graham saying, you can't have Trump policies without Trump.
	Thanks, Lindsey.
	What's going on here, Mr. J?
	Why is Lindsey Graham, you know, we're two years away from the election.
	Why is he suddenly getting all fanboyish about my old boss?
	What's going on?
	It's funny.
	When I saw this morning, I was trying to think about that, too.
	The thing about Lindsey Graham, if he actually did the things that he says on Hannity every week, he would be one of the best senators that we have.
	And I think... No, no, no.
	If he did... 30% of them.
	Exactly.
	30% of them.
	How many times does he get a subpoena people with a Russiagate and all that?
	I would guess he kind of runs this Fox News campaign all the time because he's in South Carolina.
	He tries to appeal to them because he's always afraid of a primary.
	I think that's what it is.
	So you think he's scared that somebody's going to challenge him from South Carolina?
	Yeah, that woman from Charleston that keeps voting with Democrats all the time.
	That is interesting.
	I like that theory.
	Yeah, this is for his voters.
	It's just hot air.
	That's who Lindsey Graham is.
	Oh, I'm going to subpoena them.
	Well, you haven't for the last six years.
	Let's go to your calls waiting patiently in Ohio.
	Line one, Mike.
	Welcome, Mike.
	Hello, fellow patriot.
	This is Navy veteran here.
	And I wanted to give you my take on why I think DirecTV cancelled Newsmax.
	Oh, yeah.
	Let me hear this.
	Let me hear this.
	I think they cancelled Newsmax because Newsmax are conservatives.
	But you tell me, Mike.
	I think they cancelled Newsmax, yes because of conservatism, but I think they did it because of you.
	Because it suspiciously happened a week or so after you got your weekend show.
	That's what I think.
	What do you mean?
	I've had my weekend show for two years.
	I haven't seen it on Newsmax.
	I am so sorry.
	Oh dear.
	I was going to give you a book, but if you call into my radio show saying I just launched a TV show on Newsmax and it's been on for two years.
	Uh-uh.
	Sorry, Mike.
	A big fail.
	Line two, Les Sacramento.
	Hey, Sebastian.
	Hey, so you got a bone to pick with Mike Lindell, who was on Mike Gallagher this morning and introduced the 2.0.
	It is the cooling technology that they use on the MyPillow bed toppers that they're now using on the pillows.
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	So now he's using that technology in the pillow?
	Yes, I'm gonna order one.
	Jeff!
	Book Mike Lindell tomorrow.
	I can't be outdone by Mike Gallagher.
	He may have lost 50 pounds to my 42 pounds on PHD.
	Have you already ordered one or are you going to order one, Les?
	I'm going to order one, yeah, because I love the cooling technology.
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	They're educating me when I don't know what's going on on Mike Lindell's latest product.
	All I got was this mysterious image.
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	Thank you, Les, for updating me.
	Let's go to Dean of Line 3, Arizona.
	Welcome, Dean.
	Hello, Dr. Gorka.
	Hey.
	I just want to tell you, you're awesome and I really appreciate listening to you.
	It's the first time I've ever talked to you.
	I want to know about what happened with Mrs. Lake in Arizona and her court.
	I heard nothing about it.
	Well, we are going to book her for a longer interview.
	We actually had her on.
	You must have missed that, Dean.
	We had Carrie on right after she announced her second court case.
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	comment about addict recovery.
	Why do people have problems with Trump winning?
	Oh, okay, good.
	Come in with . . .
	. . . . .
	Now, if you have a heart, what happened to the 29-year-old father, skateboarder, what happened to the 29-year-old father, skateboarder, FedEx driver and amateur photographer should outrage skateboarder, FedEx driver and
	It should shock and disgust you, as should the so-called brothers who chose to behave like a little blue gang rather than as black men.
	But it damn sure shouldn't surprise you.
	What happened to Tyree Nichols was as American as apple pie.
	Joy Reid, what are you blithering about?
	So, black cops killing a black man is traditional in America?
	No, no, no.
	Democrats killing black people is traditional.
	It's called the KKK.
	That's the terrorist arm of the Democrat Party, remember.
	I mean, look up who founded the KKK.
	Unbelievable.
	All right, let's go to your calls.
	Joe, Illinois, line four.
	Dr. G, President Trump He wanted to go into Mexico with the United States military to clean up the cartels.
	Mexico is incapable because they're intertwined with their own government.
	It's a failed state.
	Mexico doesn't function.
	It doesn't control the territory in those areas.
	Not only that, we're the welfare system for Mexico and Central America.
	Well, and Biden is making literally billions of dollars for those cartels.
	I love the idea.
	Come on.
	It's a threat to America.
	Use force against the cartels because they're mass murderers and they're human traffickers.
	110,000 people killed last year of fentanyl here in America, Joe.
	You should have done it, Dr. G.
	Well, we have to get him back in the White House and then he can do it.
	Thank you, Joe.
	Rich, California.
	Hi, Dr. Gorka.
	My name's Rick and I actually am asked, I wanted to call, it's kind of funny you mentioned fentanyl with your last caller because over the weekend I saw something that Gavin Newsom had made some disparaging comments about recovery and people getting clean and sober.
	He said, Was the biggest mistake this country ever made.
	What?
	Hang on, hang on.
	Gavin Newsom said that kicking your addiction is bad?
	Correct.
	He said clean and sober is the biggest mistake that this country has ever made.
	He was at some thing in Central Valley, I believe.
	And the interesting part is I'm in recovery.
	I would be dead if it wasn't for recovery.
	I'm active in recovery.
	And there's people that their children are dying of fentanyl.
	We have a huge problem in this country.
	We're seeing it really get into the recovery community.
	I don't know anything about it because I didn't really do drugs.
	I'm an alcoholic.
	However, I don't know what kind of medicine you practice.
	However, I wanted your take on that.
	With what's going on with all the fentanyl coming into the country, and he's encouraging the residents of California to self-medicate.
	I haven't heard that cut.
	We're going to search for it to see if it's real.
	I'm not an MD.
	I'm a PhD of political science, but I know one thing for sure.
	More people died last year as a result of fentanyl poisoning than in every war since Korea.
	Yeah.
	103,000 since Korea.
	110,000 last year because of fentanyl.
	It is a war on America and Biden's responsible for letting the drugs in.
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	For those of you who may know me solely from my three hours of radio every single day here on the Salem News Channel and maybe my TV show on Newsmax, I had a life before media.
	Yes, indeed, whatever I am today.
	Radio host, broadcaster, you decide.
	My background was in counter-terrorism.
	From 19... oh my gosh, way back when.
	1989, when I joined a reserve unit of the British Territorial Army, all the way up to working in the White House as strategist to the President, my thing was national security.
	And one of the things I was into is understanding groups like Al-Qaeda and ISIS and helping our warfighters Members of our intelligence community and the police to understand the threat.
	What do these people believe and how can they be defeated?
	In that, I came across a video several years ago which demonstrated a problem in America.
	A problem with the youth, especially at our colleges.
	A brave man went onto the campus of UC Berkeley With two different flags to see what the reaction of the students would be.
	And here's a little clip.
	We're here on campus at the University of California at Berkeley to find out how offensive students find the ISIS flag.
	ISIS is misunderstood.
	We just want our own state.
	Why does America keep bombing us?
	America and Western imperialism are to blame, not ISIS.
	We just want a state of our own.
	An Islamic state.
	No different than America.
	Israel's what?
	I don't even know what that means, sir.
	And Hamas is a great place, right?
	Israel protects Palestinian human rights.
	Yes, it does.
	Israel protects... Only Hamas is responsible.
	Right?
	You agree with that?
	ISIS is misunderstood and Israel is a thief in the night.
	Who is that crazy man?
	That's a clip from Armie on the street.
	He calls himself a gonzo journalist.
	I call him a guerrilla journalist.
	It doesn't matter.
	His mother is a big fan of mine, so he can call me whatever he likes.
	Armie Horowitz, welcome back to America First.
	It's always a pleasure.
	How are you, my friend?
	It's good.
	Apart from you telling me before we came on air that I'm not allowed to say Happy New Year to you.
	Well, we can say Happy New Year to you because Happy New Year, Army.
	Well, happy new year to you.
	You happy now?
	You happy you made me do it?
	As long as your mother is happy.
	Armie, we have so much to discuss.
	It's been far too long since you've been on the show.
	I'm so glad to have you on One on One.
	But let's stop for a moment.
	Could you walk us through that amazing experience of you On one of the most famous universities in America, if not the world, with two flags, one of ISIS, the Islamic State, and one of Israel.
	Can you tell us the kinds of responses you got from the young men and women on campus in California?
	Yeah, that was truly an incredible experience, and I would even say that was the video that kind of pushed me in the direction of exposure of the hard left.
	Because it was a social experiment, and what I began with was hidden cameras, right?
	So they don't know they're being filmed.
	And in the first part of the video, I flew the ISIS flag, and to make sure they knew what the ISIS flag was, I was in fact chanting, let's kill for ISIS, come fight for ISIS, I represent ISIS, let's kill Americans together, and I got one of two responses.
	Either nothing, or I got support, including from somebody who looked like a professor, and a bunch of students.
	Now, of course, one would think, well, you know, it's Berkeley, they're kind of used to crazy people.
	So, you know, maybe they were just kind of going for a day and say, here's another crazy person.
	So the second part of the experiment was when I went back the next day with hidden cameras again, and I flew the Israeli flag.
	But instead of getting people simply ignoring me, or even supporting me, I got invective thrown down for me from the moment I unfurled the flag.
	Screw you, you baby killer!
	Go to hell!
	And by the way, a bunch of anti-Semitic comments as well.
	What's funny was, I actually did that experiment again a couple of years later.
	ISIS flag again at the beginning, because ISIS was back in the news, and this time I unfurled the second day the American flag to see what response I got from the American flag.
	And the response, wouldn't you know it, was exactly the same as the Israeli flag.
	When the ISIS flag was unfurled, and I was saying, let's kill Americans, I got support And when I flew the American flag, it was again, baby killer, you piece of garbage, that country you're representing is a piece of garbage.
	It is an unbelievably revealing social experiment that I did those two times.
	And let's be clear here, this wasn't last week when ISIS, thanks to President Trump, is kind of an unpleasant forgotten memory.
	This was nine years ago, at the height of violence, when You know, Jordanian fighter pilots were being burnt alive in cages by ISIS.
	American kidnapped individuals were being beheaded alive by Jihadi John on video.
	So, this is when everybody knew what ISIS was.
	Wasn't there a video where somebody agreed to donate money to ISIS?
	Am I making that up?
	No, no you're not.
	That was more recent.
	That was about a year ago.
	That actually wasn't ISIS.
	It was when the Taliban had killed.
	Yeah, when they just killed however many Americans it was because we did a terrible job.
	13 Americans when we pulled down the background.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's correct.
	And so it was in the news and on the top of everybody's mind.
	So I said to them, hey, look, now that the U.S.
	is out, we're trying to fund the Taliban to kill more Americans.
	You know, we were successful in this one attack.
	Will you give me, again, hidden cameras, right?
	They don't know this is a joke.
	They think this is serious.
	Will you give me money to kill American soldiers around the world and American civilians around the world?
	I made the use of proceeds very, very clear.
	And yes, I raised hundreds of dollars from Berkeley students willing to fund the killing of American civilians and soldiers around the world and here in the U.S.
	Well, I hope you donated it to victims of, you know, the violence against the IDF in Israel or to U.S.
	veterans.
	We're talking to Ami Horowitz.
	He's a Gonzo guerrilla journalist.
	He is a brave, brave man.
	AmiHorowitz.com.
	And you can follow him on all social media.
	Let's start at the beginning, Ami.
	For those who haven't caught our previous discussions here on America First, how did you get into the business of Gonzo journalism?
	You know, it started with, I used to be an investment banker.
	I know I'm embarrassing to say.
	What?
	And I thought it was kind of odd.
	What investment bank would hire Ami Horowitz?
	I know, it's weird, wild, wacky stuff.
	What can I tell you?
	And I work for Lehman Brothers, so that goes to show you, you know, what they know.
	And, you know, one day I was actually watching a Michael Moore film, Bowling for Columbines, and I'd seen it before.
	And what were your politics at this point?
	What were your politics, Ami?
	Similar as today.
	My mother and my father raised me as a very serious patriot to always love this country and always defend the values of this country.
	That has never changed.
	But when I was watching this movie, Born for Columbine, by Michael Moore, I was thinking about the United Nations and how screwed up the UN is, how it's really failed its mission around the world to protect people.
	And I was thinking, how do I get this message across?
	I was just kind of thinking about it and obsessing about it.
	And I looked over at the screen and I saw Michael Moore's movie, and as different as his politics are from mine, I realized that this was a very, very good medium.
	This idea of a dark documentary, a comically dark documentary, shot on location, where you can expose a particular issue.
	And I thought, this is my mission in life.
	I'd literally, this is a Saturday night.
	Monday I quit my job, Seb, and I said, I'm going to raise money and make this movie.
	I raised several million dollars.
	We made this movie, shot it around the world, and it was a success.
	It was in 40 theaters around the country.
	And what was your background in making movies, Ami?
	I saw a bunch of movies.
	Does that count?
	A little bit.
	A little bit.
	Are you from Los Angeles?
	Is that something?
	I don't know.
	I guess.
	I guess.
	And by the way, that would be the first question every investor asks me.
	Right.
	Excuse me.
	Why am I giving this money and how are you going to spend it properly?
	Absolutely amazing.
	Of course, that's what the genesis story of this gonzo journalist.
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	Army, you have, are you still in Israel?
	Have you just got back from Israel?
	No, I'm in Israel leaving tomorrow night.
	All right, so I got to ask you because you presumably were there when the recent synagogue attack happened.
	I was.
	I want to quote from a friend of mine who was there and it's a guy you may know, a great guy, Bruce Abramson, and he said The Wall Street Journal wrote, in response to seven killed at a synagogue, the event described by authorities as a terrorist attack.
	How did we get to a point where the Wall Street Journal says seven people murdered at a synagogue is what the authorities call terrorism?
	I mean, you know as well as I do that the Wall Street Journal news section is not that different from the New York Times.
	It's almost like two different papers.
	Yeah, so you've got to separate the news desk of the Wall Street Journal from the opinion.
	The only sign of conservative values is on the opinion page.
	Yeah, look, and by the way, they're not alone, right?
	I mean, if you look across the spectrum of news, again, the word that pisses me off more than most is cycle of violence.
	Cycle, I hate that term.
	It is the worst term to describe what's going on.
	It is not a cycle of violence, it is a one-way violence.
	When the IDF goes into Jenin and kills terrorists who were planning an attack in Israel, What's the situation now in Israel politically?
	What's the situation like on the street?
	Is there hopes for the new administration?
	That's an inability to differentiate between the fire and the firemen.
	What's the situation now in Israel politically?
	What's the situation like on the street?
	Is there hopes for the new administration?
	What's the atmosphere like, Army?
	Well, on the ground, as you can imagine, it is very, very tense, particularly in Jerusalem, where I am.
	Um, And I've got friends who, look, they're lifelong Israelis.
	They grew up here, they've been through this thing over and over again, and I'm like, let's have dinner in Jerusalem.
	Like, I don't know if I'm comfortable coming to Jerusalem.
	Really?
	I mean, it's incredible.
	Yes.
	In terms of the political side, look, it's not good.
	Right now, obviously, the country is in turmoil over the issue with the judicial branch and their overhaul of the judicial branch.
	And now you're adding this to it, and it makes it even more complicated and difficult.
	And frankly, it does give both of the extreme sides of Israeli politics, left and right, give them both ammunition.
	And it's not good.
	I'm not sure how long this government will last, to be honest.
	Well, we were there with 350 of our listeners just a month ago, and it was an amazing time to be in Jerusalem.
	We were in Jerusalem.
	We went to Masada, the Dead Sea.
	Sad to see that the quote-unquote cycle of violence that only one side is instigating continues to this day.
	We're talking to Armie Horowitz.
	Follow him at Armie Horowitz.
	Armie, I've got to ask you, as a member of The real journalistic cadre.
	We talk about bias in the Wall Street Journal, in New York Times and CNN and elsewhere.
	What are your reactions to what we've seen in the last two months?
	Thanks to Elon Musk coming out of Twitter.
	Do you think that this is finally A peek behind the curtain of real collusion in America where we see the authorities working with big tech, working with media to suppress certain narratives.
	Or is this just a little blip on the radar?
	Elon's shown us something and then I'll get back to normal suppression in a couple of months.
	No, there wasn't a peek behind the curtain.
	The curtain was ripped down for all to see.
	It was left naked and alone and shivering for us to watch.
	But the problem is, only half of us saw that.
	The other half, blissfully, is ignorant of it.
	They ignored it.
	They didn't talk about it.
	I mean, all this bombshell reporting by Matt Taibbi and so forth.
	This was not covered by anybody in the mainstream media.
	This was only covered ad nauseum by us, as well it should be, because it really showed the disgusting nature, as you put it, the collusion between government and big tech.
	Do I think things will go back to normal?
	They already have gone back to normal.
	They've already gone back to it.
	I see suppression in my own personal YouTube and Facebook all the time.
	All the time.
	So no, it hasn't changed anything.
	Thank God Elon Musk has control of Twitter.
	That's another It's another avenue for us to broadcast our views unfettered, hopefully.
	No, I think it's going to set up a... I think over time what we're going to see is a massive showdown between Twitter and the rest of the social media cadres.
	What does that mean?
	What will a massive showdown between Musk's Twitter and the other platforms look like, Armie?
	I think ultimately what it means is, and it's not good, is that either they're going to change their ways, right, and they're going to no longer suppress the messages we're putting out.
	What we're going to have is a bifurcated system where you see conservatives just migrate to Twitter and move away from the other platforms.
	I think that's what it comes down to.
	Either they're going to understand that this has to be an open society, it has to be open information, which is the entire idea behind social media in the first place.
	They betrayed their ideals, they had to go back to their original ideals as unfettered messaging, or they're going to lose half the population who's going to migrate toward Twitter, and we will all lose because of that.
	We do not want to have Silos.
	Informational silos.
	Nobody wins.
	It doesn't help this country.
	It really destroys the fabric of our community.
	Nobody wants that.
	Just some figures tweeted out by Megan Kelly.
	She calls it the five alarm fire at CNN.
	Lowest ratings in nine years.
	Just these shocking figures.
	440... 400,000 viewers in primetime.
	In the all-important 25 to 54 news demo, CNN had 93,000 viewers.
	We have 3 million.
	3 million listeners.
	CNN has 93,000.
	Maybe the market will mean the end of CNN in the future, but maybe they'll just become another plaything of a billionaire like Jeff Bezos and the Washington Post.
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	All right, it's not just about amazing content to do with foreign policy, the double standards on our friends like Israel and our enemies like ISIS.
	It's about what's happening domestically here in the United States.
	There are certain narratives the left would have you believe, such as black people and Hispanic people don't know where the DMV is.
	They're stupid.
	They can't get a driver's license.
	That's what the Democrats would have you believe.
	Now, if that is true, perhaps it needs to be investigated.
	Perhaps a journalist from, oh, I don't know, MSNBC could ask black people, do they know where the DMV is?
	Well, of course they didn't.
	But our buddy, Armie Horowitz, did.
	Do you have ID normally?
	You carry ID around?
	Yes, I have state ID.
	Do you carry ID?
	Yes, I do.
	Do you know anybody, any black person who doesn't carry ID?
	No.
	Everyone that I know has an ID.
	Why would they think we don't have ID?
	Ha!
	That's a lie.
	Why would they say that?
	Do you have ID?
	Yes.
	Because I have my ID and my friends have their ID, so we know what we need to carry around.
	Everybody that I know have ID, like, that's one of the things you need to walk around with New York with, an ID.
	Do you know any black adult who does not have ID?
	No, I don't.
	Is it a weird thing to even say that?
	Yes, it is.
	What is this, some type of trick candy canvas?
	I know, right?
	That's the only thing I brought with me.
	Those are legit IDs.
	I heard a lot also that black people can't figure out how to get to the DMV.
	What does that say to you?
	Do you know where the DMV is around here?
	You know how to get there?
	Do you have a problem getting there if you have to get there?
	I know these sound like silly questions.
	You know how to get to the AV?
	Of course.
	You know where it is?
	Yeah.
	You can get there?
	Uh-huh.
	No problem.
	No problem.
	Just checking.
	Okay.
	And I also heard a lot that black people, especially poor black people, have no access to the internet.
	Can't figure out how to use the internet.
	That's just stupidity, honestly.
	Everybody has access to the internet.
	Even little kid can figure out how to work the internet.
	I had access to the Internet for years.
	You know how to use it properly?
	Exactly.
	I do it at work.
	So, of course, I know how to use it.
	I mean, you have to laugh, but on the flip side, this is what the Democrats have told us, that asking people for ID when they vote is voter suppression of black people, because black people are too stupid, I guess, because the Democrats tell us they are to get a driver's license. I guess, because the Democrats tell us they are to
	Army, the first part of that video that we don't have time to show here, but everybody should follow you at armyhorowitz and armyhorowitz.com, you interview white people, also from New York, and what do they tell you, Army?
	You know, that video started off a series of videos I do where I show white people talking about black people, and then talking about black people, and I talk to black people that the white people said.
	And across the board, every time I do it, it is the exact same thing.
	You have white people Pontificating about the inability of black people to do a number of things.
	In this case, walk around with ID, or know where the DMV is.
	Or in some cases, I did one most recently I loved about black obesity.
	And I asked white people, why is there higher obesity rates in the black community?
	And they tell me, racism.
	I can't make this up.
	They actually told me that black people stress eat because of the amount of racism out there.
	That's not a joke!
	Hang on, hang on.
	They said black people are overweight because they're stressed out because of white racists?
	That wasn't one person who told me that.
	That is a narrative that I heard.
	And then, of course, I go to the black community, and I asked them, I said, why is there higher black obesity than white obesity?
	And they go, because we eat the wrong foods.
	We don't have personal responsibility.
	Exactly what you and I would think the answer would be is common sense.
	It's what I heard from the black community.
	To the liberal community, the white community who says, we know better, listen to us, we know better than black people, that's the overarching theme every time I talk to white leftists about black people, that's what they talk about.
	Black people don't know, we know better.
	And I'm curious, do the black people you ask who say this is absurd, do they have any reaction?
	Don't they know that white Democrats say this about them?
	So now you're getting to a far more interesting area, right?
	An area that we have all, as conservatives, have struggled with.
	And that our values, as conservatives, align far more with the black community's values than they'd share with Democrats and Liberals.
	And we always have wondered why, how, what can we do to bring them back?
	Yes, of course.
	They are beginning to understand that.
	They really are.
	You are seeing a change in demographics slightly, but methodically in the right direction of black people saying, enough with the white savior complex of a democratic party.
	We are actually more aligned with conservative and conservative values, and I think we have to move.
	And by the way, if you see the numbers, particularly among black men, it's a far starker number.
	Black men are moving decisively in the direction of the Republican Party.
	I think we have to continue to make inroads because it is a demographic that we actually can win back, and if we do, It's the end of the Democratic stronghold, because that's the demographic they rely on the most.
	We saw amazing figures for President Trump in 2020 from the black community, and especially the male black community.
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	No, I don't know.
	I don't even know if our guest knows the right number of how many tens, how many hundreds, how many thousands of hours he has recorded of his guerrilla journalism.
	For me, of all the things I have seen you produce, Army, the most powerful of all, perhaps because of its simplicity and it's it's deep deep pathos and just cutting to the quick of all the things that could be labeled politics but aren't really politics but I'm far far more basic.
	When you went to a very dangerous part of the world you went to Caracas in Venezuela and as the sun was setting you had to pixelate this man's face out you decided to talk To a young father who was walking the streets as the sun was setting.
	Let's play this cut.
	This is a pretty dangerous part of town.
	What are we doing here?
	Buscando algo que comer.
	What kind of food?
	Lo que sea.
	I am really hungry.
	I am really hungry.
	Who was that man and was he just some kind of pervert that likes to eat feral cats in Caracas army?
	No, it was a guy that we ran into on the street who was clearly hunting for something and we went up to him and said, hey, what are you doing?
	He said, I'm looking for food.
	You have to understand what Venezuela was not that long ago, maybe 15 years ago.
	It was a thriving country.
	Granted, it was mostly driven by petrodollars, but yet it was a thriving metropolis.
	Caracas was a very successful country.
	And what happened was Hugo Chavez took over that country and began an inexorable decline to where we find it today, which is a failed state.
	When I went there, just to describe, I think it's worth taking a second to describe the scene.
	The airport had no lights.
	The lights were off at the airport.
	This is 3 o'clock in the afternoon, an international flight landing in an international airport, and there were no lights.
	No electricity.
	Everything was done by hand.
	And when I got to my hotel, you know, the Marriott Hotel, they said, look, we closed this place at 5 o'clock.
	5 o'clock p.m.
	Nobody let us out of the hotel.
	Everybody got locked down, had to stay.
	Of course, we didn't do that.
	I don't do that.
	Somebody in the video itself that you just showed at the beginning of, on camera, we saw a man shot and killed in front of us.
	We randomly were filming B-roll, and we hear crack, crack, crack, and we turn around, and the guy was shot in front of us.
	Then you see a police officer walk up to him, look at his body, and walk away.
	This is what Venezuela has become, complete and utter chaos.
	And it is 100% responsible by the left.
	And what's so crazy is a companion video I shot a few months later, when I came back to the United States.
	I interviewed people on the left again.
	I said, and I described to them what's happening in Caracas.
	and what the what what the system has done to it and i said which system you prefer their system or our system and they said to me we prefer their system because at least everybody is miserably equal and that really to me defines the left completely and these people you were talking to here they weren't hobos in a cardboard box under a bridge i
	I presume these were well-to-do middle-class people who were calling for depravity and poverty for all.
	A hundred percent.
	And mostly, of course, white people.
	It really was an important moment.
	It defines the left.
	Everybody is better off in an economic system of inequality.
	If you're going to have rich, you're going to have poor, you're going to have middle class.
	They would rather have everybody suffer as long as we're suffering equally.
	And by the way, that's exactly how it plays out in systems like that.
	Not just in Venezuela, but across the spectrum, where you have the left in control, particularly communists, communist states, you see everybody suffering equally.
	And they would rather have that.
	That is the depravity of the left.
	In a nutshell, right there.
	So, I've got to ask you, and this isn't to, you know, question what you do, because I love what you do.
	What is the point, if the left is so utterly indoctrinated that you can show a young father in Caracas hunting down dogs and cats to feed his children, and they say, well that's okay because everybody's equally poor, then what are the point, what is the point of your videos?
	Is it just to Document the reality so others who aren't insane can use it.
	Give us the philosophy of Horowitz Productions.
	I'm so glad you asked that.
	I'll tell you exactly what the philosophy is.
	The philosophy is this.
	Is that I and you and others differentiate between left and liberal.
	Right?
	And liberals, and us, we agree that we want this country to be better.
	We disagree slightly on how to get there.
	Higher taxes, lower taxes, whatever.
	The problem is, if you ask liberals, And you said liberals.
	Do you know what the left believes in?
	Destruction of capitalism.
	Destruction of this country's values.
	Transing five-year-olds.
	They will tell you that's not true.
	They will tell you those are right-wing Fox News, Seb Gorka talking points.
	The left doesn't believe that.
	No, no, no, that's not true.
	The point that I try to make to these people is that you and I have more in common than you have with the left.
	You have basically nothing in common with the left.
	These videos are meant for the center-left to understand and cut the ties between them and the hard left, because that's how we move this country forward.
	We move it forward by understanding that we have more in common than we have indifference.
	Liberals and conservatives.
	That doesn't mean the left.
	The left and us have nothing in common.
	And they have nothing in common with liberals.
	And I want liberals to understand that.
	And if I tell them that they don't believe it, but if I show it to them in their own words, they have no choice but to believe it.
	Yeah, I think in that video, you should watch the whole video from Caracas was made for PragerU with that amazing organization.
	My colleague Dennis does make this distinction on his show every single day that there are leftists and there are Democrats and that's not the same.
	The leftists are the extreme radical part of the party.
	The question is Who is in control and what are the proportions?
	Armyhorowitz.com.
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	You've got to follow this man.
	You've got to retweet all of his videos.
	He is libs of TikTok on video before libs of TikTok even existed.
	Telling the truth about the extremists on the left that sadly now control the party.
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	So, Armie, you said you've always had the values that you have today because you were raised right.
	Your parents raised you as a patriot.
	But tell us why you decided to do what you do, in addition to, you know, the influence of seeing Michael Moore's propaganda videos and wanting to respond.
	Why today?
	Because you're like, for me, you're like a lone warrior out there in the media world, doing these amazing things.
	What keeps you going, Armie?
	Did you hear that pause?
	He may be in Israel, but that was a longer pause than just the telephonic connection.
	Look, I would love to be able to say the battle is done.
	The ideological war has been won.
	I can go back to earning a proper living as an investment banker and live happily ever after.
	Unfortunately, I can't say that.
	I just look, what drives me is that, thank God, I continue to have more and more views.
	We now average across all platforms over six and a half million views across all different social platforms and different organizations that distribute these videos.
	My partners at Daily Wire, my partners at PragerU.
	They do a phenomenal job of getting this thing out there.
	And I gotta say, one of the things that keeps me going is, I've got a million-something followers on Facebook, and I do a poll every year to find out what people's politics are, and a full third of my audience, a full third, self-identify as either center or center-left.
	And I am very proud of that.
	Now, it seems like a small number, a third, but third isn't bad.
	Third's actually quite good.
	And that third is what keeps me driving to make these videos.
	Look, there is something to be said about preaching to the choir.
	We all have to sing off the same hymn book.
	There's value in that.
	But I wouldn't be doing it if I wasn't actually moving the needle on people in the center and central left.
	You would be shocked how many people are less jaded than you.
	We think we are so jaded that they saw a video like mine, they would assume it's propaganda.
	They actually don't.
	I'm a data guy.
	I dig down the data.
	I do a focus group every year with 25 college students who are center-left.
	And they watch the videos, and they fill out a form before they watch the videos.
	They fill out a form when they're done with the videos.
	And consistently, between 33% and 65%, change their mind on a particular issue based on watching a 3-10 minute video that I produce.
	That's huge.
	And that's why we continue to do it, because it is, in fact, successful.
	Are we the good guys?
	We've only got a minute left with Army Horowitz.
	Armyhorowitz.com on all social media platforms.
	Are the good guys winning, Army?
	What's your gut feeling?
	Again, another pause.
	I am making this guy think today.
	Look, I will say that sometimes it's two steps forward or one step back, right?
	And sometimes we're living in the one step, we see the one step, and we forget about the two steps.
	So I would say that yes, overall, we are winning, slowly but surely, because ultimately I have faith in the American people that when faced with the data, faced with the fact, they'll ultimately make the right decision.
	Sometimes, and we're in that period right now, we've taken one step back, maybe a step and a half back.
	But, you know what?
	When we looked at what happened in the dark days of the U.S.
	in the 70s, you thought this country might be over, and what happened, it spawned Ronald Reagan.
	And I think that we're in that period now, where I think we are going to see a resurgence, a renaissance in this country, because the left went too far.
	And the American people are sick, and they're tired of it, and we're going to see that.
	If that renaissance happens, soon it will be in part because of the amazing work of this man.
	Stay safe, my friend, in the Holy Land.
	Army Horowitz on social media, armyhorowitz.com.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	You've been listening to America First, one-on-one.

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