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Jan. 11, 2023 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Mexican president thanks Biden for open borders

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	Because this type of mishandling happens
	all the time, and now it's become such a political football with all three last presidential candidates being investigated.
	I do worry about, while we need to take this all seriously and it needs to be investigated, I do worry about over-criminalizing it, things that should ultimately be security violations sometimes, Those should be handled typically by, if you're a federal government employee, being disciplined or fired, but Launching these full investigations that become political footballs is dangerous because it can disincentivize people from serving in the federal government.
	But we do want to incentivize them again to do the right thing, which is report it when it happens, and not to do the wrong thing, which is to conceal and obstruct, which is what Trump did.
	I really think we need to break this down and be specific about what happened in each case.
	You know, the day the Biden documents were discovered, the White House Counsel's Office notified the National Archives.
	They took possession of them the following morning, which is slightly different from how it went down with Trump, who lied about even having the documents, then refused to give them up.
	He said they were his, which forced the FBI to come search his wedding venue slash house and take them from him.
	The committee will also seek to discredit law enforcement, like the FBI, who are so important in the fight against domestic violent extremism.
	Republicans in Congress just don't care.
	The greatest threat, the greatest terrorist threat to our country comes from violent right-wing militia groups and their sympathizers, and Republicans in Congress just don't care.
	Our Republican friends and some, a few Democrats, are very critical of what's going on at the border, but yet refuse to even look at the detailed document I submitted for the Congress to consider to reform the process completely.
	Keep going.
	You, President Biden, you are the first President of the United States in a very long time.
	Oh, we did that one, next.
	Yeah, we did.
	It's not a ploy when the FBI pays Twitter $3 million.
	Not one, not two, $3 million to censor American citizens.
	It's not a ploy when the Department of Homeland Security tries to set up a disinformation governance board because we all know that the Department of Homeland Security can tell what's good speech and what's not.
	When are they going to ever learn?
	The political stupidity here, the political malpractice continues.
	And I know there are a lot of former Republicans like me that say, this is really bad.
	America needs a competent conservative party.
	Go ahead.
	And you've defended and actually have co-sponsored two pieces of legislation opposing critical race theory.
	What is critical race theory in your view?
	Oh, critical race theory actually comes from critical theory.
	And essentially what it does, at the graduate level, it talks about the implications of racial policies in the past in American history, their impact on society today.
	The impact on law.
	Hold on!
	The issue with critical race theory, if you distill it down into... Alright.
	Not coming in with anything?
	No, I'm doing a PhD.
	You're listening to America First with Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to president Donald J. Trump.
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	All right.
	We've got some calls on the line.
	But first, a very short clip from the senile man-in-chief who is very proud of what he's done on the border.
	Cut seven.
	Play cut.
	Our Republican friends and some, a few Democrats, are very critical of what's going on at the border, but yet refuse to even look at the detailed document I submitted for the Congress to consider to reform the process completely.
	So he's very proud of his policies on the border.
	Eric, you're riding all the time for American Greatness.
	You're the assistant producer here.
	What are the great things Biden's done in the last two years for the border?
	Help me out.
	Oh, goodness.
	I mean, maybe the best thing probably has been that three hour visit he finally did the other day.
	You know, a three hour tour, because that's the closest he's ever come to being remotely responsible.
	I literally, I can't even think of a funny answer for why Anything is done good.
	No.
	And he actually, on camera, said what he does said.
	You're absolutely right.
	Let's go to Alex.
	Let's go to your calls.
	833-33 Gawker.
	That's 833-334-6752.
	Alex in Brooklyn.
	That's 833-334-6752.
	Alex in Brooklyn, welcome to America First.
	Hey, Sebastian.
	Hey.
	Thanks so much for taking the cold.
	There's only one reason why Joe Biden went down there to the border and it's the kind of thing that Democrats do.
	Because the election's coming up and he doesn't want these massive ads to be out there that are going to state that Joe Biden never went during his term of president to visit the southern border and acknowledging the problem when that problem was only increasing during his term with the amount of cocaine that came in and the amount of illegal immigrants.
	Hang on, Alex.
	Why do you think that matters?
	I mean, if you look at the results of the midterms, That should have mattered in the midterms.
	Really?
	The fact that he hadn't done anything at the border, is that going to make him worry in an election?
	If it did, it should have worked in the midterms, surely.
	Well, he's going to have those massive ads when it comes to the presidential election out there saying, Don't vote for someone who didn't help to take care of the problem of the border and didn't even acknowledge it.
	And in the midterms election, it wasn't about the presidency.
	It was more about the midterms, specifically for the presidential election.
	He's going to have these massive outs there specifically against him.
	Now he's going to maybe do a couple of stuff about taking care of the border.
	He just played this clip where he says that his Republican colleagues are out there talking about how we have to secure the border, but they didn't want to help them pass the bill that had some border reform, and it's insane that He's saying that Republicans are against border security when in that bill there was also granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants in this country when the Democrats only allowed them in here and they want to grant amnesty to them so that way they can have more democratic votes.
	It's the highest level of corruption.
	It's the third time they're doing this.
	They pass these bills that have almost nothing to do with the name of the bill.
	Well, it never does.
	That's the whole point.
	That's the whole point.
	It's like the Patriot Act, okay?
	It's the reverse of what it says it is.
	The Defense of Marriage Act is the Destruction of Marriage Act.
	You're absolutely right.
	But don't forget there's also an app in his new proposals.
	An app illegal aliens can use to register themselves and get asylum here in America.
	Thank you, Alex.
	Let's go to Atlanta.
	Todd, Line 3, welcome to America First.
	Yes, Dr. Gorga, congratulations on your weight loss.
	And I just want to say that the liar-in-chief, Joe Biden, he's making human and drug trafficking great again.
	I think that the Mexican President's comments reveal the connections to groups like La Raza and Reconquista.
	But isn't it so weird that he would say that openly as the President of Mexico in front of a TV audience?
	Well, I think he's speaking to his base and he knows that he has an accomplice.
	And what's happening at the border, which to me is an act of war by the cartels and the Mexican government and an act of treason by Biden and DHS and Mallorca.
	Well, absolutely.
	And, you know, these people should be charged.
	You know, Mallorcas are not interested in congressional investigations.
	I want it to be charged by some sheriff who's got some cojones.
	Absolutely right.
	They are criminals together.
	Todd, thank you.
	Let's squeeze another call.
	Atlanta again.
	Joe, line one.
	Oh, hey, can you hear me okay?
	Yes, carry on.
	Yeah, I don't really feel like we need much border control because we have problems with low unemployment that's causing our inflation.
	So the more people we can have to fill these jobs, the better our economy will grow, keep inflation under control.
	So what's the limit?
	Should 7 billion people be allowed to come to America, Joe?
	No, you can't do 7 billion, but what we have coming across still won't meet our employment requirements.
	So let's not borrow tomorrow for today.
	So you think anybody who wants to come to America should come to America and should be welcome?
	Yeah, until we have a problem with unemployment rising too much, yeah, which we can't seem to fix our low employment numbers so that there's no problem letting lots of people come until we have a problem on the other side of it.
	So you think sovereignty doesn't matter and we should be the only state in the world that has an open border.
	Do you think it's weird, Joe, that we're the only country in the world that has an open border policy?
	Do you think that's a little bit strange, Joe?
	Well, I think no, because our economy... No, okay.
	There's no point having a conversation with somebody who thinks not having a border policy isn't weird.
	Goodbye, Joe.
	Keep living in your La La Fantasyland.
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	She's visiting the swamp.
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	She's Tiffany.
	Don't call her Tiff, Justice.
	Tiffany, welcome back in studio.
	Thank you for having me.
	That's for voting, right?
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	I have to say, if you ever went to the UK, or if you had gone to the UK, and you married somebody who was knighted and became a lord, you would be Lady Justice.
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	Lady justice.
	It would be pretty cool.
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	Alright, so what brings you to the SWAT?
	I'm here to fight gender ideology, something that has invaded all of our schools in Florida.
	You know they wanted to try to teach gender ideology in K-3.
	It's happening all across the country and we want to stop it.
	They can have gender, we'll have sex.
	And we want to talk about the fact that there are two sexes, male and female.
	And no more gender talk.
	That's a pretty good tagline.
	They can have gender, we can have sex.
	Yeah, moms for sex.
	Did you think that up?
	Moms for sex, moms for liberty?
	I think the interesting thing about this whole place where we are with the gender stuff is that the kids and people are actually not having sex.
	It's actually sterilizing people.
	It's incredible.
	I mean, if you have kids, as I do, who've been to college in the last 10 years, just, and I'm not, this is not an argument for, you know, rampant sex everywhere.
	But just the way they've skewed and made people afraid and confused about things that are just basic biology is shocking.
	And it's very interesting, who's hosting your event?
	Heritage Foundation taking a very large role in building a new coalition to fight this type of madness, this cultural war that we find ourselves in, because we very much need to collaborate and work together in our own sphere of influence, but to work together towards a common goal.
	That's a very, very good sign.
	We need to get the relatively new president back on the show from Heritage.
	Let's reach out, Jeff, you know who I'm talking about, Professor Roberts.
	I want to get your take.
	And as the co-founder of Moms Liberty, we talked about that clip from Newt Gingrich.
	You really have a sense, you have a finger on the pulse of Americans across the country, not just in Florida.
	What is the reaction of people who don't live in the swamp and say, oh, just suck it up and vote for McCarthy?
	What was their reaction to those four days of back and forth?
	Well, I think our moms on the ground loved it.
	Our moms and dads, they love to see the disruption because we know that America is heading in a direction that we don't feel is a bright future for our children.
	And so a lot of our moms, I've spoken to you before about it, were politically homeless.
	You know, they had Democrats and Republicans who didn't listen to them during COVID.
	And so they find themselves in a place where they want people to stand up for them and speak out.
	You know, Representative Bob Good spoke and he said, my constituents are telling me they do not want the status quo.
	They want changes to be made.
	So we were happy to see the fact that people were standing up and demanding more.
	Transparency, and really putting the American people first.
	I thought it was very telling, however, and I was very thankful for you being so in favor of the disruption and the questioning, but there were a lot of people who weren't, and that was telling, too.
	I think there were people like Newt Gingrich, like Sean Hannity, like others that spoke out.
	I think... Justice Jeanine?
	Judge Jeanine?
	That you know to hear it.
	I mean, she walked it back as well.
	I think she felt the heat, just like Newt.
	But it's very disturbing when people who have reputations as conservatives say, oh no, just get in line like the Democrats and, you know, hile the new speaker.
	Right.
	Absolutely.
	And our moms, when they've looked for a place to land politically in their homes, right, in their communities, have gone to Republican executive committees and they've said, you know, look for space for them to be able to speak.
	And they have really been shut out at every turn.
	It's a great line.
	They felt politically homeless and that's why they like to see a bit of to and fro.
	She is the co-founder of the amazing organization Moms4Liberty.
	Follow her on Twitter right now at 4, the number 4, Tiffany Justice.
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	Oh, talk about Jim Jordan. talk about Jim Jordan.
	We'll play that cut.
	What did you say?
	What's that?
	Nine is like 50 seconds?
	Okay.
	Right.
	So what is Moms4Liberty like a membership?
	I mean, how do you fund yourself?
	Private funders and small donations.
	But is there like a membership fee?
	No, there's no membership fee as it stands right now.
	There are dues that the chapters can collect, but we did not want a membership fee to stop membership and entrance.
	So are you doing a lot of the fundraising?
	Yes, I'm working on it, but there's work to be done.
	I need some advice on that, honestly.
	Some people to help me with creating a... Katie's helping you guys out, right?
	We haven't been working with Katie lately, but I think she's been busy doing some other stuff, and I really haven't reached out to her, but I need to.
	I need to.
	Because I think we have a cause of action, really.
	The elections were great, and we can talk about that.
	We endorsed in over 500 races in 2022 in school board races, Sebastian.
	76 were first-time candidates.
	So you're not a 501c3 then?
	We're a c4.
	We have a c3.
	Moms for Liberty Foundation.
	That's great.
	And then we have the political committee, and then we have three national PACs.
	Wow.
	That I need to fund.
	I need to fund them.
	Well, then you do need to be fundraising.
	Yeah, I do.
	Because in State Board of Education in Louisiana, they have 11 people on that board.
	Three are appointed by the governor.
	Eight are elected.
	Walton Family Foundation put up half a million dollars for each of the eight races.
	So I need to find money if we want to take back.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	But if I got three races and the governor appointed three, then I'd have six, so then I only need a million and a half dollars.
	But do I really need a million and a half dollars?
	I don't think I do.
	But I need better, I need somebody to help me to run the pack.
	Right.
	Because we need to go after State Board of Education races.
	So the smartest guy politically outside of Newt was the guy, was my office partner in the White House, a guy called Andy Sarabian.
	You should just spend half an hour on the phone with him.
	Okay.
	Because he'll give you ideas.
	Please.
	He knows politics, not fundraising, but his brain is just golden.
	Yeah, we need to go after some of these state board races.
	Yeah.
	Because you can get the right governor in, you get someone...
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	We are back with Tiffany Justice, co-founder of this superlative organization, Moms4Liberty.
	You're getting politically active with your organization and your various PACs.
	Tell us about what you've been doing.
	So we were really proud to endorse the number 500 races, school board races across the United States in 2022.
	And Sebastian, the exciting thing about that was of the endorsed candidates, 76% were first time candidates for any elected office.
	Oh, it's fantastic.
	So our win rate across the country was a little over 50%, but in California it was 60%, in Florida it was 80%.
	Put a little bit of money behind the races in Florida.
	It's the only place that we really funded, but I would expect great things from Moms4Liberty in 2023 in school board races.
	How many people do you do this with?
	What's your team?
	Well, we don't have a very large internal infrastructure team, but we have amazing moms and dads across the country that love America and are concerned about the future of this country for their kids.
	So they are all in, in fighting back and reclaiming education.
	Where can they find out more?
	It's momsforliberty.org.
	Is that the starting place?
	Yes, that is the website.
	You can follow me on Twitter, follow Moms for Liberty on Twitter as well.
	I think we're on Getter too.
	She thinks!
	She's a social media advisor.
	She fakes their own ghetto.
	Well, for the time being, start at momsforliberty.org.
	All right, the more active you get, that's an incredible record, hundreds of candidates you endorsed, but the more active you get, the more they will come after you, which is fine.
	It means you're over the target.
	Let's play a little clip on perhaps a response to what the federal government has been doing to patriots across the country.
	This is Jim Jordan.
	The new chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.
	Cut nine!
	It's not a ploy when the FBI pays Twitter $3 million.
	Not one, not two, $3 million to censor American citizens.
	It's not a ploy when the Department of Homeland Security tries to set up a disinformation governance board because we all know that the Department of Homeland Security can tell what's good speech and what is bad speech, what's mis... I mean, you've got to be kidding me.
	I tell you what, dozens of whistleblowers who've come to talk to Republican staff on the Judiciary Committee don't think this is a ploy.
	That's why they came to talk to us.
	They know how serious this is.
	The former Democrat chair of the Judiciary Committee is in the press today saying we're going to fight this tooth and nail.
	This is political.
	But meanwhile, the former Democrat chair of the Intelligence Committee pressured Twitter to censor a journalist.
	You've got to be kidding me.
	This is the most important.
	This is about the First Amendment, something you guys used to care about.
	Something you guys used to care about.
	Now, you don't strike me as a daydreamer.
	I think you're adequately cynical when it comes to this city.
	But do you have high hopes for the next two years in Congress?
	Really?
	We absolutely do.
	What Jim Jordan said before that clip started was it's not a ploy for us to be concerned about the fact that parents were labeled to be domestic terrorists by the Department of Justice for speaking out to advocate for their children.
	That is a very, very serious issue.
	And I think it only underscores the control they want over the education system, the fact that they wanted to chill speech and silence our questioning of this behemoth.
	No.
	industrial complex that has been created out of education in America.
	So I am hopeful because Jim Jordan seems like a strong man.
	And when we went to him as whistleblowers, bringing the fact that the FBI had been contacting our parents, he took it very, very seriously.
	And you see, he hasn't let up.
	No.
	But is one man enough?
	One man isn't enough, but he has an army of parents that are building behind him in groups like Moms for Liberty and others that are going to support that strong action.
	And it's about time that Washington starts paying attention to the rest of the country.
	I have to ask you, I may have done this before, but you've been on the show so many times, it's worth sharing with our millions of listeners again.
	What was it for you?
	Was there a trigger event that made you say, OK, enough, I'm going to stand up and create something to push back?
	What was your reason?
	I think seeing the indoctrination in the schools, but then really watching as school boards across the country cut citizen input, took away the ability for citizens to come and to address their concerns with their elected representatives.
	When you saw local government doing that, and then the Department of Justice aiding in that, that was a real pivot moment for me.
	Alright guys, she did it.
	She created an amazing organization.
	I'm going to steal you for three more minutes.
	Can you stay here?
	Yes, sir.
	Alright, good.
	She understands.
	She said, yes, sir.
	Even if she were Lady Justice, she would recognize that this America First Institution is on her side and so is Moms4Liberty on your side.
	Please join today and if there isn't a chapter in your state, in your locality, well guess what?
	Do what they've been doing.
	How many chapters?
	When were you created?
	January 2021.
	Okay, how many chapters?
	We now have over 260 chapters in 44 states with over 110,000 active members.
	That's what the Tocqueville was Talking about when he wrote the book Democracy in America, that's how we built this nation, by volunteerism.
	This isn't some kind of supra-federation that's run out of DC.
	This is a republic of states because of activism like that.
	It's the number 4 Tiffany Justice, the number 4 Tiffany Justice on Twitter.
	It's also on Twitter at Moms4Liberty, the number 4.
	Please join them today or create a chapter.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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	Dr. G is ready for anything on America First.
	So be quiet.
	It's my show.
	I have to talk now.
	We've come back from the break.
	So I get a text from Jeff that there's some guy called Billboard Chris, one of the bravest people in the Northern Hemisphere, and he's just sitting outside, gabbing with the guys, like some chauffeur for Lady Justice.
	It's so bloody outrageous.
	Billboard Chris, what are you doing outside instead of in studio?
	I'm just the chauffeur for this amazing young lady.
	Hiding his light under a bushel.
	False modesty.
	We don't like any of it.
	He's one of the greatest warriors stopping the transgender insanity.
	We've only got three minutes with you.
	It's an absolute outrage.
	How's it going?
	Latest stories of people trying to break your limbs, your bones.
	How's your billboard activity?
	It's been incredible.
	saying that the main phrase is, children cannot consent to puberty blockers.
	Children cannot consent to puberty blockers.
	It is a statement of fact.
	Billboardchris.com is his website.
	Tell us, how's the battle going?
	It's been incredible.
	Last month I went to Oklahoma, and I spoke at the Oklahoma Political Action Committee meeting with some senators and legislators.
	Did my thing, did my speech, and long story short, eight different bills have been submitted to battle gender ideology in one state.
	Focused bills battling all the different aspects of this.
	Parental rights, what's going on in schools, the medicalization of kids.
	I've got to ask you because time is so short.
	One of the things I find perhaps most horrific of all is that people who have the letters MD behind their name are mutilating children at Boston Children's Hospital across the country.
	How do we stop that?
	Is that also bills?
	What's the best way?
	The best way is through the medical board, like what Florida did with Ron DeSantis, where the medical board conducted hearings, they looked at all the evidence and the science, and found there was none to support this.
	And so the medical board has stopped this in Florida.
	Now, not every state is going to be able to go that route.
	Some states will try to legislate it away, then a judge will inevitably block it, and then we'll go to the courts.
	But it's just going to be a fight, and we're just going to keep fighting.
	Ultimately, what we have to do is create awareness.
	Because when enough people find out what's going on, then these medical associations won't be so captured anymore, and they'll have to acknowledge that reality is a thing.
	Hang on, I'm writing that down.
	Hashtag, reality is a thing.
	Sorry, 20 seconds.
	In the meantime, it's really important for parents to be present with their children, having dinner every night and creating that important relationship so that they can talk to them when issues come up.
	This is outrageous.
	I'm out of time.
	We've got some amazing guests coming up in the next hour.
	You don't want to miss them either, but I want to salute right now, live in front of millions, Tiffany Justice, Mom's Celebrity Co-Founder, and he's not a co-founder of anything.
	He's just a lone warrior in the wilderness like Churchill in the 20s.
	His name is Chris Elston.
	He's Billboard Chris.
	Go to his website.
	He is protecting the most vulnerable.
	Billboardchristoffcom.
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	Top secret SCI documents?
	In a closet?
	In an office?
	In Washington DC?
	Affiliated with Penn University, which has received more than $50 million of anonymous donations from Communist China.
	And those top-secret documents belong to the Vice President, Joe Biden, who has no power to declassify them.
	What does it all mean?
	And why do they include documents about Ukraine?
	All that and so much more.
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	It's one of our jobs here on America First to give you breaking news as well as just have fun and the best guests on the known universe.
	And here we have... They must be throwing him under the bus.
	We'll check out Jeff's latest theory in a moment.
	But he just sent me this from NBC.
	Not Breitbart.
	Not Newsmax.
	NBC.
	Headline!
	The big red letters!
	Biden aides find second batch of classified documents at new location.
	On Monday, the White House acknowledged a small number of classified documents had been found in an office used by Biden.
	However, it has now been confirmed that a second set of documents has been found in another location.
	The number of documents is unknown, and the exact whereabouts of the documents found in the second batch have yet to be revealed.
	But the plot thickens and we will keep you posted.
	I guess that special prosecutor Mar-a-Lago will be out of a job soon because his case has collapsed.
	Unless he also wants to investigate the current incumbent in the White House.
	All right, back to business as usual.
	It's been far too long since we had him on the show.
	Geopolitics stops for no man.
	Neither does the CCP in Beijing.
	He's our good friend.
	He's our cynologist of record for America First.
	Gordon Chang!
	Happy New Year!
	Welcome back to America First!
	Well, Happy New Year, Seb, and thank you so much.
	Right.
	First things first, everybody needs to follow this man at Gordon G Chang on Twitter.
	Gordon G Chang.
	His latest publication, his monograph is The Great US-China Tech War.
	Follow him.
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	Tell us the latest.
	What should we know?
	You have been tweeting up a storm on social media about The threat to Taiwan.
	What is happening?
	Is there an escalation?
	What are we seeing out of Beijing, Gordon?
	Yeah, this is really worrying people in the region, especially in South Korea, which before it's been sort of blasé about this.
	But clearly, China is pressing Taiwan in a way which we haven't seen before.
	And it's not just Taiwan.
	Last month, when China was crippled by COVID, it became so much more belligerent.
	There was that large-scale incursion into Arunachal Pradesh in India in the Himalayas.
	There was increased pressure on Japan and the Philippines in the South China Sea and East China Sea.
	Taiwan, they had that big incursion into Taiwan's air defense identification zone on Christmas Day.
	And last month, perhaps most worryingly of all to Americans, is that a Chinese Navy fighter got within either 10 or 20 feet, depending on whom you talk to, to an unarmed U.S.
	Air Force reconnaissance plane in international airspace over the South China Sea.
	We had to have an invasive maneuver to get out of the way of the Chinese fighter.
	This is an accident waiting to happen.
	What do all of these events speak to?
	Is this banging a drum?
	Is this a physical version of a rhetorical flourish?
	Is it what the military calls preparation of the battlefield?
	Is it messaging to the free nations of the region?
	Is it possible to tell what the genesis of these events is, Gordon?
	I think the genesis is that Xi Jinping realizes that his grip over the Communist Party is weakening, and that the grip of the Communist Party over Chinese society is weakening.
	And so they are wanting to bang the drum, as you say, because they want to divert the Chinese people.
	They want to create an enemy.
	They want to have the Chinese people focus not on Xi Jinping's debacles at home, but Well, this is the question I wanted to ask Nesk.
	Nesk, you're reading my mind.
	This is not going to go away, Seb, because China's problems are only getting worse, not better, especially with the look at the Chinese economy, which is in a disastrous state right now.
	Well, this is the question I wanted to ask next.
	Next, you're reading my mind.
	What is the ground truth for what we're witnessing through a filtered, censored reality in China?
	We saw the additional lockdowns occurring.
	Very, very disturbing footage.
	What has happened in the last few months while we've been focusing on the midterms, the latest scandals with, you know, the Biden files, the Twitter files.
	It looks as if things are getting qualitatively worse for the regime domestically.
	Absolutely.
	We had those extraordinary protests that began at the end of October, but really picked up at the end of November, where the Chinese people just said they were not going to have any more of these COVID rules.
	And it was more than that, Seb, because they were telling Xi Jinping to step down and the Communist Party to leave, which means that people in China are in a dark mood.
	They're in a revolutionary mood.
	Really, what happened on December 7, when people say, oh, they changed their COVID policy.
	No, the Communist Party didn't change its policy.
	The Communist Party capitulated to the disease, which was running rampant through China, but also the Chinese people, as I mentioned, wouldn't put up with it.
	The Chinese economy was being crippled by these disease control measures.
	And Chinese municipalities, which were responsible for paying for zero COVID, they had run out of money, including Beijing.
	And so we see a China which is unstable, which is volatile, and in which anything can happen.
	All right, so we just had in studio one of the co-founders of an amazing organization, Moms for Liberty, that represents hundreds of thousands of Americans, and she expressed very concrete, solid expectations, positive ones, of the new Congress of Jim Jordan investigating abuses of the FBI, the intelligence community, against Americans.
	Under the Biden administration and under the Trump administration as they were targeting members of the Trump administration.
	I have to get your read as somebody who understands the swamp who's been trying to educate the political elite for years now.
	What kind of expectations do you have Gordon?
	With the new Republican-controlled lower house, when it comes to maybe getting a little bit closer to the truth about Wuhan, gain of function, Fauci, and the genesis of COVID, do you have high expectations or are you more cynical?
	I always hope, Seb.
	You know, I wish I knew more about Washington than I do, but the point is that The American people are pushing this.
	People can argue about how many people have been killed by COVID, but Johns Hopkins says it's 1,097,000 as of this morning.
	But if it's more than zero, it's unacceptable.
	This obviously came from China.
	You know, President Biden had those five video or phone calls with Xi Jinping, and then he had the in-person meeting in November at the G20 in Bali.
	On those six occasions, the President did not raise the origins of COVID-19, a disease which has killed By whoever's count, many, many Americans.
	I think the Republican Congress really wants to get to the bottom of this because we've got to remember that it was a guy named Anthony Fauci who was trying to evade the federal government's moratorium on gain-of-function funding and decided to move all that research to China, which ended up basically telling the Chinese, How to manipulate coronaviruses and I think led to the COVID-19 outbreak.
	We can talk about that but the point is we should stop funding China's biological weapons program which is what we did.
	Let me just be very blunt about what you just said.
	So any reasonable person who looks at what is available currently
	and has been released over the last three years, is that COVID-19 was part and parcel of a biological weapons program that was assisted clearly, even if just passively, by the funds provided by the US government being washed through an NGO via, you know, the donations from Fauci.
	And that the likely scenario, and here's where I'm interested in your input, the likely scenario is that this biological weapon was accidentally released.
	However, the culpability of the CCP is that after the internal lockdown, At the same time, they allowed Chinese nationals to travel the globe to see this disease internationally.
	Is that the state of the art in terms of what we can know at this current time?
	Yes.
	We don't know 100% the origins of SARS-CoV-2, the pathogen that causes COVID-19, but 95% it looks like it was an accidental release from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
	But Seb, we know something 100%, and that is that once this disease got out into China, Xi Jinping deliberately spread it beyond China's borders.
	From, let's say, the second week of December of 2019 to January 20 of 2020, China deliberately lied to the international community.
	They told us it was not contagious when they knew it was highly contagious.
	And then in January, when they were locking down their own country—I know lockdowns are controversial, But by locking down their own country, they were telling us they thought this was an effective way to stop the disease.
	So while they were locking down their own country, they were pressuring others, including the Trump administration, to take arrivals from China without travel restrictions, without quarantines.
	And that means this was a deliberate spread of disease.
	This means that those Americans were murdered.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And the man who said, no, we're going to stop that travel was my former boss, President Trump.
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	Will, will, um, will Congress finally investigate, well, will Congress now investigate, uh, Wuhan, uh, the Wuhan COVID connection?
	All right.
	Still don't remember what it was that Justice said, uh, chaos.
	I can't read my scribble.
	We love the... D. It begins with a D. We love the D something.
	Discord?
	Could have been Discord.
	Yeah, do that.
	We love the Discord.
	But just double check it.
	Yeah, I just finished making it now.
	Do you remember which segment she said that in?
	It was the... First or second?
	It's when we played... Jordan?
	No, no.
	First segment.
	After Gingrich.
	Okay.
	I will review that right quick here.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, this is B. Okay.
	Is Father Pavone coming in?
	Oh, that's C. It's C. Yeah, this is a B segment.
	Two minutes.
	Patriot supply here.
	Alright.
	If Father's here and mic'd up, just bring him in.
	Alright.
	Where's John?
	John, just about...
	Yeah, we're working on making him up now.
	Alright, what do you want to say?
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	Make yourself at home.
	I can leave that, this one, this one there.
	Yeah, yeah.
	What brings you to DC?
	Oh, yeah.
	How was that?
	Oh, it was great.
	In fact, they gave me a standing ovation when they mentioned what happened to me.
	So, yeah.
	Today's two votes in the House on pro-life measures.
	In fact, the votes are happening right now.
	Oh, alright.
	We could talk about that.
	Yeah, tell us about those.
	That's great.
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	So more Biden files have been discovered.
	I wonder why we're hearing comments like this.
	A perfect example of the swamp.
	This was former CIA lawyer Brian Greer giving his take on, it's no biggie.
	Cut 4.
	Because this type of mishandling happens all the time, and now it's become such a political football with all three last presidential candidates being investigated, I do worry about, while we need to take this all seriously and it needs to be investigated, I do worry about over-criminalizing it, things that should ultimately be security violations sometimes.
	Those should be handled typically by, if you're a federal government employee, being disciplined or fired, but Launching these full investigations that become political footballs is dangerous because it can disincentivize people from serving in the federal government.
	But we do want to incentivize them again to do the right thing, which is report it when it happens and not to do the wrong thing, which is to conceal and obstruct, which is what Trump did.
	Sorry, how did he conceal and obstruct?
	He was working with the National Archives.
	Oh, and it's been over-criminalized?
	Really?
	Name me one deep state activist, one Democrat who has been punished Criminally for leaking to the Washington Post, to CNN, to the New York Times.
	Vindman!
	Vindman!
	Who leaked top secret phone communications to the media.
	How was that criminalized?
	In fact, it became the epicenter of an attempt to impeach the president.
	Unbelievable.
	But that's what the swamp is.
	All right, guys, we have another special guest in studio visiting the swamp.
	You know him as a warrior for the most vulnerable in society, the director of Priests for Life, Father Frank LaVone.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Hey, Seb, it's great to be here.
	All right, so you are here to give some speeches, to talk.
	Yes.
	You're going to give us an update on what's happening right now in the house.
	Right.
	Let's talk about first Do you have this buffer, Eric?
	Let's put up the buffer.
	Not yet.
	So you were in the news recently.
	Yes.
	Because you were accused of making blasphemous statements by the Vatican and then stripped of your position as a practicing priest.
	Yeah.
	We spoke soon after that occurred.
	We did.
	And you told me something absolutely unbelievable that you hadn't been told the actual charge against you In technical terms, do you know what is the blasphemy that you are supposed to have committed, brother?
	They are literally making this thing up.
	This is like the ecclesiastical version of all the false charges against President Trump and his supporters in the political arena.
	Same thing.
	Are they going to accuse you of Russian collusion?
	Oh, absolutely.
	That's next.
	No, really, you know what the issue is.
	And people who have followed our work, like you have, over the years, know full well, we are putting the abortion issue first, we're bringing it front and center in the churches, and so many leaders in the church, they just don't like that.
	It offends their Democrat friends, and they're just uncomfortable, because they don't want to address the killing of the unborn, but we do.
	So, the curious, the question I have, because I think it's, as a cradle Catholic, the idea It's very much, this is like a papal version, a Vatican version of cancel culture.
	It is, exactly.
	That you just have to be on person, you have to be deleted.
	Right.
	There's no recourse, no appeal, and worse than that, You don't know what you've been charged of.
	I mean, it's Kafka-esque.
	So maybe at some point there will be some revelation as to what they're actually accusing you of.
	But I'm curious what your take is as the victim in all of this, given that you've been doing this for decades.
	You've been the National Director for Priest for Life.
	You've been talking out for the unborn.
	You've been fighting these demonic Pro-abortion movements across the nation.
	What was the crescendo point?
	Why now?
	Why defrock you now?
	Was there something that happened in the last few months?
	Do you have some suspicion as to why now?
	You know, I think what it is is that they absolutely ran out of options.
	They have been trying for 21 years to blunt the influence of Priests for Life.
	We've become the largest Catholic pro-life ministry, and frankly, my canonical advisors said to me, what they cannot control, they kill.
	Now, the they is just some.
	Okay, we've got a lot of support from a lot of bishops.
	I want to acknowledge that.
	But there are some that, you know, if they feel, hey, this is a semi-independent ministry, right?
	We don't rely on them for funding or anything like that.
	They can't control us or our message.
	So first they tried to take me out of my position with Priests for Life.
	Then they tried to discredit the organization.
	Neither one of those things worked.
	So they figure, well, the only last resort we have is to kick them out of the priesthood.
	Because we've been making progress.
	And we've been making progress challenging Making progress?
	I mean, you are part and parcel of the victory in Roe v. Wade.
	Exactly, and you and I talked about that, yeah.
	So the idea that they do this to you now is even more perverse.
	Isn't it?
	Isn't it?
	And you know where we've been making progress, too, is challenging.
	We get the priests to understand, okay, that they need to be more vocal with politics.
	It has to be something that's said from the pulpit.
	I mean, the protecting the unborn has to be said from the pulpit.
	And it can be said both legally and also within church law.
	You can stand up in the pulpit and say, we've got to vote pro-life.
	And we teach the priests how to do that.
	And some of these bishops, again, it offends their Democrat friends.
	And they know that's true.
	And I'm not afraid to say it.
	I'll keep saying it.
	I think you might have hit the nail on the head.
	It offends their Democrat friends.
	So much would be better in this world if the offense we cared for was the offense that we represent to God in our actions, not the offense to those who politically don't like us.
	We're talking to Fr.
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	The response being like amongst fellow priests and members of the establishment.
	Very well.
	Very supportive, actually.
	Very supportive.
	And more and more people are rallying around us.
	And a lot of them are saying, this is just disgusting.
	They're afraid to speak out publicly, most of them.
	But they're disgusted by the whole thing.
	So what are your options now?
	- Well, we can make a personal appeal to the Pope.
	And if this Pope doesn't listen to reconsider, you know, we gotta wait till the next Pope, which, you know, that'll happen eventually.
	And we'll just ask him to reconsider the whole thing. - Your thoughts on Pope Benedict? - He was great.
	He was a great man.
	Great teaching.
	And he continued the legacy of John Paul, which was fantastic.
	And the fact that he was instrumental in Vatican II, is that an issue?
	I think it's to his credit.
	I mean, I think he was an influence in the best way.
	In a good way.
	Yeah, to keep the doctrine on track, you know, in its essence.
	No, I think he did well.
	I worked under him a little bit on the Academy for Life.
	I was on his Academy for Life.
	What was that?
	That's basically a research arm of the Vatican on pro-life issues.
	So they appointed me to that for a five-year term.
	It kind of spanned Benedict and Francis.
	Did you have to be in Rome?
	Just for certain times of the year, certain meetings.
	And we're also gearing up for next week, of course.
	We can mention that if you want, for the March for Life.
	We'll be heading up a lot of activities there.
	We'll talk about what's happening in Congress today and then March for Life next week.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	All right.
	What do we have?
	We've done this.
	Can you play me cut two again?
	I just spoke with Bootybeats.
	They don't know what the cause is.
	But I was on the phone with my family.
	I told them to report directly to me when they find out.
	Aircraft should still land safely.
	Let's not take off right now.
	We don't know what the cause of it is.
	We're expected to be able to look in a couple hours to see what the cause is.
	And we'll respond to that then.
	We don't know.
	Okay, we'll find out.
	And then Kimmel again.
	I really think we need to break this down and be specific about what happened in each case.
	You know, the day the Biden documents were discovered, the White House Counsel's Office notified the National Archives.
	They took possession of them the following morning, which is slightly different from how it went down with Trump, who lied about even having the documents, then refused to give them up.
	He said they were his, which forced the FBI to come search his wedding venue slash house and take them from him.
	When did he lie about having them?
	I'm trying to remember that.
	Why did he deny having them, right?
	Oh, it's pathetic.
	Isn't it?
	Uh...
	You're welcome.
	You're welcome.
	I just spoke with Rudy Dukes.
	They don't know what the cause is.
	But I was on the phone with him about 10 minutes.
	I told him to report directly to me when they find out.
	The aircraft is still land-safely.
	It's not take-off right now.
	We don't know what the cause of it is.
	They expected us to be able to look in a couple of hours to see what the cause is.
	And we're responding to that now.
	They don't know.
	Well, doesn't that just reassure you?
	We don't know what it is.
	We just had to down all aircraft in America.
	We don't know if it was a cyber attack.
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	Father Pavone, you said something's happening in Congress right now?
	Yes, there are two pro-life measures being voted on today.
	You know, one of them, a lot of our fellow citizens can't even believe it.
	The Republicans have been trying for years to increase protection for babies who actually survive abortions.
	That sometimes happens, especially with these late-term procedures, which are essentially early deliveries.
	Babies survive.
	There are not adequate protections right now in the law.
	There are some, but the Republicans want to increase them, so they're finally today able to get a vote on that, and of course that's passing as we speak.
	And Democrats will have to go on record for saying, no, you get to kill the child after it's born.
	After it's born.
	That's right.
	The second measure is a resolution.
	It's not a legislation.
	But it's an important resolution.
	It's about the pregnancy centers.
	And as we know, when the leak on Dobbs came out, these centers were viciously attacked physically.
	And they're also being attacked legally by the Democrats.
	You know, Elizabeth Warren.
	Oh, you know, these are fake clinics and whatnot.
	She was outraged.
	Outraged that there are more clinics Providing pregnancy counseling than abortions.
	Then killing babies.
	That was her problem.
	So today, the resolution is saying, look, these acts of violence are to be condemned.
	Alright, it would be nice if the Democrats said that.
	And secondly, you know, we support these centers and people should support these centers.
	So that's what's going on today.
	My associate Janet Moran, who's been on your program, is in the gallery right now as those votes are occurring.
	And we're very happy about this.
	Now we're going to be echoing This resolution on the Pregnancy Center is next week!
	We're going to have the National... I'm going to lead the National Prayer Service on the day of the March for Life and we're going to have the pioneers of the Pregnancy Center movement there in Constitution Hall and we are going to honor them for their work.
	There's going to be about seven different major groups represented.
	So we're gearing up for the March for Life for next week.
	It's going to be the happiest march ever now that it's the first one since Rose gone.
	Yeah, oh my gosh, the atmosphere is going to be absolutely electric.
	Father Pavone, will you indulge me with what may seem as a sidebar?
	Sure.
	Are you into sports?
	Not really.
	Do you know what a three-peat is?
	No.
	When you win something three times over, right?
	Okay.
	Is that right, Eric?
	A three-peat.
	Did I get that right, John?
	Okay.
	So this is our Trump three-peat hat.
	I'm going to give it to you.
	2024 is going to be the Trump three-peat if we do our work.
	I appreciate that.
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	Is it okay to put it on the air?
	The Segway to sports is a serious one because very few people have spoken about this.
	When that football player went down with whatever happened to him, we still don't know what happened, but he's back home.
	He's cleared from the hospital.
	People don't talk about the fact that afterwards, across the stadium, fans from the other team knelt down to pray.
	Now doesn't that say that what the left has tried to do is failing?
	Yes, it does.
	And it does.
	You know, I'm fascinated by a Pew Research study that came out recently showing how godless The Democrat Party is.
	What it did was it showed that people who don't pray, don't go to church, don't read the Bible, don't believe in God, politically, they tend to align with the Democrat Party.
	And likewise, those on the other side of the coin align with the Republicans.
	It's just that nothing's absolute here.
	Obviously, there are exceptions both ways.
	But it is failing.
	It's disconnected, as on so many other things, with where the mainstream American people are.
	It's not that you have to be outwardly religious all the time and stuff like that, but it shows that it's deep at the foundation.
	When there's a crisis, it's like, where do I fall?
	Where do I rest?
	That's when you see America.
	Yeah, that's right.
	As I've said many, many times before, America is not this putrid city.
	It's not New York.
	It's not Los Angeles.
	It's what is derisively called the flyover country.
	That's real America.
	And when you saw those people, those players, those fans, fans from the other team, kneel down and pray for that footballer.
	That's real America.
	We've been talking to Father Frank Pavone.
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	Cut six!
	The committee will also seek to discredit law enforcement, like the FBI, who are so important in the fight against domestic violent extremism.
	Republicans in Congress just don't care.
	The greatest threat, the greatest terrorist threat to our country comes from violent right-wing militia groups and their sympathizers, and Republicans in Congress just don't care.
	Jeff, I've got to ask you, do you think the average American who isn't imbued in the political swamp we are, when they hear Schiff say, the biggest threat to America is militias, do they just scratch their heads or laugh?
	They've got to laugh, because you're the first thing you've got to ask yourself, all right, let's think about all those right-wing militia attacks that we've had in the past.
	Where are they?
	I can't even think of one.
	Can you?
	No.
	Hang on.
	You can go back to the 1990s.
	You can go back 30 years in Timothy McVeigh.
	That's been the biggest threat for the last 30 years.
	One guy.
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	Yeah.
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	Did we advertise Ladies Day?
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	We've got Linda, Annabelle, and Sally.
	I love it!
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	Line one, Florida.
	Linda, welcome to America First.
	Dr. Gorka, it's wonderful to talk to you again.
	Welcome back.
	What's your question?
	What's your comment, Linda?
	I think that this very opportunistic finding of all these documents in Joe Biden's possession is the deep state's way of trying to get rid of him.
	It could be.
	We don't know.
	The fact that another batch of classified documents was discovered or declared today in another location makes me think, hmm, are they trying to get rid of him?
	Although we had Jeff say yesterday they want to deploy this now so nobody cares about it in two years' time for the election.
	So, Linda, only time will tell which version of events is correct.
	I think he's an albatross.
	Well, I would, too, but after the midterm elections, maybe they really think that he's their best bet.
	Because, Linda, hang on a second.
	He may be an albatross, but if he's an albatross, isn't Kamala the Cackler a millstone?
	No, she's a jackal.
	I'm sorry.
	Nicely put.
	No hesitation there, calling it as she is.
	Love that call.
	Thank you, Linda.
	Let's go to California.
	Annabelle, line two.
	Hi, good morning.
	I'll talk fast because, boy, everybody wants to call.
	That was such a wonderful interview with the father.
	I caught the very, very end.
	I came in for lunch with... Hang on!
	Why are you having lunch during my show?
	What's going on, Annabelle?
	I know, but I have to work, so I know it's hard.
	But I came in just for the end of Tiffany Justice.
	And so it sounds like, you know, abortion... So I had an idea for... You said something about merchandise.
	Yeah.
	I just, again, everything would be off the top of my head.
	I apologize.
	I apologize for all my calls because I don't think them through, but I had a vision.
	I don't mean a vision.
	I had an idea after you said it, so I'm going to throw it out there for you for a t-shirt.
	Okay.
	By the way, I think that Schiff and Swalwell, I think Swalwell knows about enemies to the country.
	Fang Fang.
	Not us.
	But anyway, enough of that.
	Well, he knows the enemies to America intimately.
	Wink wink.
	Know what I mean, Annabelle?
	Well, yes.
	A lovely lady, Fang Fang.
	Well, you know, Mitch knows Coco, too.
	You know, he keeps her happy.
	So it's a festival out there.
	All right.
	Give me your idea.
	Come on, Annabelle.
	Here it is.
	And again, I want to do something, it seems childish, but that's the whole point.
	Because the babies who haven't been killed, that's who I want to address.
	These young kids who are being mutilated and their gender ID and etc.
	So this is the idea.
	I wanted to read something to you, but I can't.
	I won't have time.
	All right, so here is my idea.
	If you picture, I picture black and white, because I like Chanel and it's my fashion sensibility, but I think I wanted something stark like that blackboard.
	Annabelle, you said you're going to be quick.
	I've got callers waiting, Annabelle.
	I'm sorry.
	It's black and white.
	You picture the little stick figures, right, that we see all over the place.
	One has a little skirt, the other one's the same.
	A little teeny caption in between the two little guys.
	And it says, yay!
	With an exclamation point.
	And a very simple message.
	I'm so nervous, I can't even think.
	What is it?
	XX?
	So simply, all it would read is, a little above the stick figures, XX or XXY.
	Follow the science.
	You don't have to get complicated.
	Just say it.
	There's nothing they can do to argue.
	Even my little friends here in Silicon Valley can't argue.
	I actually like that.
	I actually like that.
	I'm doing a little doodle right now.
	I am absolutely garbage at drawing, but I love this idea.
	Two little stick figures.
	A man and a woman.
	Underneath you have X, Y, and XX.
	Follow the science.
	Right, Annabelle?
	Yes, and they say yay above their little bodies because they're celebrating a boy and a girl.
	That's what I want kids to do.
	I love it.
	Do you have all of my books, Annabelle?
	Not only do I have all of them, I've given them for Christmas gifts.
	But have you kept any for yourself?
	Are you kidding?
	Absolutely.
	I read your books constantly and I tell everybody, you know, the best book still is in the back where you have all the achievements of President Trump and I use that as an argument all the time.
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	Schmitt, and that's confirmed?
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	Kimmel, we didn't play here yet, right?
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	The only man standing between the radical left and your cheeseburgers, it's Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	Oh, I love a good cheeseburger.
	Hey, Mr. G, are you there?
	I am.
	Who do you go to when you want legal analysis combined with national security analysis?
	Who's the first person you think of?
	Usually Colbert.
	Not Kimmel?
	No, he's my second choice.
	All right.
	Well, let's just bring it down a notch.
	Let's go to Jimmy Kimmel.
	Because Jimmy Kimmel, well, you know, he's an expert on this stuff.
	And this is his take on Biden files.
	I really think we need to break this down and be specific about what happened in each case.
	You know, the day the Biden documents were discovered, the White House Counsel's Office notified the National Archives.
	They took possession of them the following morning, which is slightly different from how it went down with Trump, who lied about even having the documents, then refused to give them up.
	He said they were his, which forced the FBI to come search his wedding venue slash house and take them from him.
	Uh, yeah.
	Superb analysis.
	I can't wait for tonight.
	I think Mr. G is going to have to watch the show.
	Watch Kimmel tonight.
	Tell me what he says about the second batch of classified documents that belong to Biden found in another location.
	All right.
	I'll miss it.
	That's his job.
	We have an amazing guest in the third hour.
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	Let's go to another lady from Cleveland, Sally, line 3.
	Thank you for waiting.
	Sure.
	Dr. Gorka, I have enjoyed your interviews on the topic of manhood.
	So how about a corresponding topic to explore womanhood?
	I find it ironic that leftists are loathe to define what a woman is, but paradoxically can't wait to rally for abortion on demand with the banner of a woman's so-called right to choose.
	Men and women have different bodies and makeups, but I say vive la différence, and thanks for letting me give my suggestion.
	Yeah, vive la différence.
	I love the idea of a womanhood hour, but I don't think I'm qualified because I'm a man, Sally.
	Well, I think we're both qualified to talk about Each other's sexes, because we work together.
	That's what God has intended.
	We can work together as a team.
	And I see no reason for people to be adversaries.
	Oh, I'm not saying that.
	I'm not saying that.
	I just, you know, I believe in the difference between men and women.
	I'm not sure I'm qualified to talk about what it means to be a woman.
	However, we could have some female guests who could talk about it.
	Let me consult with my producer.
	That's an interesting idea.
	Thank you, Sally.
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	you you you you you you you you you
	you you you you you you you you you
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	We are in a war.
	A war not just for the culture and our nation, but a war for Western civilization.
	And it is easy to sometimes lose hard because the other side, well they have a plan and they've been executing it since about the 1920s.
	Conservatives Really didn't understand what was going on.
	Let them capture the culture, the media, and most of the arms of government, including the permanent bureaucracy.
	But it's okay.
	There are moments where we find a star in the sky, a jewel in the sand that lets us realize that as long as there are patriots out there who love our civilization, Things will be okay.
	Here's a clip from, well, a young lady who represents all that is wholesome about this nation.
	Play cut.
	This nation saved the world from global catastrophe three times in the 20th century.
	This nation has grown to treat racial, ethnic, and religious minorities with equality and respect compared to other places and times on earth.
	This is the nation where people are not constrained by their gender, religion, or class, but can work to achieve a better life.
	In this nation, we can criticize our government, securing the knowledge that we will rise the next morning and our country will still respect our rights.
	We view these things to be our birthright, our permanent and guaranteed condition, but they are not.
	They exist only because past generations have sacrificed to secure and maintain them.
	And to our discredit, we have used these blessings not to strengthen our country, but to tear it down.
	That is a speech given at Harvard by a graduate of Harvard, somebody who graduated cum laude, and is an example of what speaking the truth looks like.
	There's a good reason for why it went viral.
	And there's also a good reason why people like me need to watch our backs now as national radio hosts.
	Why?
	Because that person, Julie Hartman, is now a co-host and a host in her own right of her own show and with us here on the Salem News Channel.
	Julie, it's been hard to get you on the show, but welcome to One on One.
	It has been hard, but here we are.
	Thank you so much, Seb.
	I'm very honored by your introduction.
	All right.
	Well, we don't give up.
	We get our man sooner or later, or our woman, and we believe there is a difference between those things.
	They are not negotiable.
	Hashtag Chromosomes Matter.
	Let me just tell you a little bit the formal let's do the credentialing Julie is still in her early 20s She has a live show with I may be a cradle Catholic, but I call him my rabbi.
	He is Dennis Prager It is called Jen Dennis and Julie.
	They do strange things like Debate about the number of almonds in a cup.
	I don't know why but we'll get to that momentarily.
	And she has her own YouTube live show called Timeless with Julie Hartman.
	You can follow her on Instagram at Julie with an E on the end.
	Julie R Hartman.
	Julie, that's just your credentials.
	That's just what's on your business card if you had one.
	Where do you hail from and why did you give that incredible speech?
	I hail from Los Angeles, and it indeed is hailing right now.
	I'm a little bit worried for this radio interview that you can hear the rain falling on my roof.
	It has been just crazy to see what's happened to Los Angeles with this storm over the past few days.
	But with regard to that senior speech, so at Harvard, there are 12 upperclassmen houses that sophomores, juniors and seniors live in.
	And when you become a senior, in the month of May, right before your graduation, the deans of each house select one person to deliver a speech in the Memorial Chapel at Harvard.
	It's just a five-minute speech that you give during the morning prayer service, and they said that you can talk about anything.
	So the speech happens at 8 o'clock in the morning.
	So the dirty little secret is that almost no one applies to give the speech.
	So I was the one from—maybe there were more, but I was one of the few from my house who applied.
	My deans chose me.
	And I bet they were a bit shocked when I gave a speech about American exceptionalism and Western civilization, because usually the speeches are not of that character.
	But what happened was... Hang on, stop there for a second.
	What character are they of, usually?
	Is it about global warming and transgender rights?
	It varies.
	I mean, some of them are personal reflections about students' time at Harvard or things that have happened to them throughout their lives.
	But yes, Of course, I would say about 50% pertain to those woke political issues.
	I think two or three before me, someone delivered it on slavery.
	All right, and then you delivered the speech, the video was posted, it went viral, and then what happened, Julie?
	Well, I got a lot of really nice responses from people in the public.
	They were so gracious reaching out to me.
	And I couldn't believe that it went as viral as it did.
	But it shows that, you know, there are a lot more people out there who believe this than we think, which is good news.
	And, you know, I'm lucky that I work at Salem and I have this platform to espouse my beliefs and I get paid to do it, but some of our fellow Americans are not so lucky.
	If they said what I said in that speech, they would get fired from their jobs or they would lose relationships with family and friends.
	So I'm trying to be a voice for the voiceless, Seb, which is what the left always says that they want to be.
	But we conservatives are actually doing that.
	Yeah, we actually are.
	I ended up in a hospital on vacation about three years ago.
	Very suddenly, and I had a procedure done, but I had to wait in the hospital for about two days to get into an OR.
	And there's a story I tell, and it's kind of a focus for my radio show every day.
	A nurse looked after me very competently, didn't say anything, just brought in my meals and just asked me how I was.
	And then just before I went into surgery, out of the blue, she said to me, Dr. Gorka, Never stop doing what you do because you are a voice for millions who don't have a voice.
	Apart from everything else, that is one of the best reasons I can imagine for doing what we do, for what everybody here at Salem does, and that's to represent those who love America, who love the truth, who believe in family, believe in God, believe in the founding principles, who happen to actually be the majority But aren't the loudest, aren't the crazies, aren't the blue checkmark Twitterati on social media.
	So bravo for doing what you did and saying what you said.
	Tell us about your nexus with Dennis.
	How did you hear about Dennis and how on earth did somebody who was I think 21 at the time end up being the youngest person to solo substitute a national radio show in America?
	That was a really fun day, Seb, except that halfway through my first segment, my producer told me in my ear—and this is live radio, as you know—that Governor Cuomo had resigned, and that I needed to announce it on air.
	And I thought, are you kidding?
	This is my first time guest-hosing national radio.
	I'm 21 years old, and this breaking news has to hit?
	That's why it's called Live Radio and that's why it's so much fun.
	It's like the military.
	Every plan lasts for as long as first contact with enemy.
	And that's why what we do is so much fun.
	So tell us how it all started.
	Yes.
	So I was actually a liberal for most of my life.
	I told you that I am from Los Angeles and I went to Super lefty private schools.
	And then I went to Harvard.
	And so I was on the left until the summer of 2020.
	And it was really the Black Lives Matter riots that did it for me.
	And seeing people who I really respect succumbing to this radical racial ideology that the United States is inherently racist and that we have to defund the police, that just really shook me.
	And I thought, if this is the left, this is not who I am.
	So I decided to go online and Google, what do conservatives think about police?
	And there popped up PragerU, and there were several videos.
	I think Larry Elder's video was the first one I saw about policing and From there, I just went down a rabbit hole and I realized, oh my gosh, I'm a conservative.
	Who knew?
	So I ordered all of Dennis Prager's books, and specifically his book on- Hang on, hang on.
	All of them?
	You need a library to order all of Dennis' books.
	I think there are nine of them, and I ordered them, but we were in quarantine, Seb, so I had nothing better to do than to read, read, read.
	So, you know, I read Dennis' books, I read Barry Goldwater's book, Milton Friedman, Ben Shapiro, I mean, all of the classic conservative books you've got to read, and I became super conservative.
	Anyway, I reached out to Dennis Prager to thank him for his influence on my thinking.
	Miraculously, he responded to me and invited me to sit and watch an hour of his radio show because we're both in Los Angeles.
	Hang on, he invited you in studio?
	In studio, because he said you mentioned you're from LA.
	I do my radio show.
	All right.
	Hold there for a second.
	I want to hear the full details of the story.
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	Okay, Julie.
	So you're invited by my wonderful friend, my rabbi, to just sit in, listen to his show in the studio, in the heart of darkness that is Los Angeles.
	What happens next?
	Well, it was during a commercial break, and we were chatting and really hitting it off, and Dennis said to me, you know, Julie, your story of going from liberal to conservative is really interesting, and I think that my viewers might like to hear it.
	Do you want to come on to my show?
	And I said, sure, yeah, we can schedule it for next week, you know, I'm around.
	And he looked, I'll never forget, he looked down at his watch and he goes, no, we're actually back from commercial in two minutes.
	Can you come on now?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Dennis hadn't prepped for that day.
	I know.
	My sources told me he hadn't done any prep.
	He didn't know what to talk about.
	And he said, that's a smart lady.
	She can do the talking.
	So how did it go?
	It went well.
	It was relatively benign, Seb.
	I just talked about how much I hated cancel culture.
	But the real part of the story is that the Dennis Prager Show posted that clip on YouTube.
	And the next day, it circulated around many of my peers at Harvard.
	And the reaction was mixed.
	I did have a lot of my friends stand by me, but I didn't- Hang on, hang on.
	What is the timing for this?
	So, is this after you graduated, or when does this- This was the summer between my sophomore and my junior year.
	So I was writing.
	Oh, you hadn't given the speech yet?
	No, I gave that speech as a senior.
	So this whole transformation happened when I was a sophomore.
	Wow.
	Okay, so this is where I have to jump in because my son just graduated from Stanford and, you know, the first week he was called a Nazi behind his back because of his last name.
	He had to deal with the insanity of, you know, wokery for four years, well, two years, thanks to COVID.
	So what was it like?
	Give us, what were the ramifications?
	What were the consequences, the blowback?
	If you're still a student and you're on Dennis's show, Coming out of the closet as a conservative, what happened at Harvard, Julie?
	Well, not only was I on Dennis' show, and not only did I later guest host for him, but during my senior year, I actually started a podcast with him, which we have now, Dennis and Julie, and we were filming it out of my dorm room.
	So to say that I was out of the closet is an understatement.
	But really, what happened was, when that first video came out of my first time being on Dennis' show, I did lose friends, and that was very painful.
	But then, as I got more and more public with my conservatism, I actually found that I wasn't canceled as much.
	And I think there's a reason for that, because in the early stages, I was sort of like halfway there.
	So I still subscribe to the worldview that I could be canceled.
	But then once I was out in the open, super conservative, going on Dennis' show, guest hosting, having a show with him, people couldn't cancel me because I was so proud and confident in my beliefs and I no longer fell into that worldview that someone could cancel me for my beliefs.
	Does that make sense?
	I need you to unpack for me, and I know you're a lady of precision, what it means, they could not cancel me, because they come after Salem, they come after Breitbart, they try and target our advertisers, look what's happened to Mike Lindell.
	Do you mean in the sense of your spirit couldn't be cancelled, or was it something more pragmatic than that?
	Certainly that's true that my spirit couldn't be cancelled, but I also found that people at Harvard didn't come up to me and talk to me about it as much as they did in the early days.
	And the reason is I was so confident and out with my beliefs that I actually saw that a lot of them didn't even bother to kind of cancel me or harass me because they knew that I was so far gone in the other direction.
	So you were written off as a good person?
	Yes, and I think they try to cancel people who sort of teeter the middle line and will capitulate to their demands.
	Yeah, the ones who are prepared to apologize.
	That's the big mistake.
	So I'm curious, for those friends you lost, was there any common tissue to those cancellations?
	Did they say, you're a Nazi, you're a fascist, or what?
	Did they provide any excuse, or did they just cut the cord and ghost you?
	Oh no, they provided an excuse.
	I mean, the big one was that they didn't so much have a problem with what I was saying, but they had a problem that I aligned myself with Dennis, who historically has been against gay marriage.
	Guilt by association.
	Yes.
	That was the big one.
	And did they give you any opportunity to debate that with you, or they just said, okay, that's it, cut the cord?
	No, they did.
	To their credit, they did.
	But it wasn't much of a debate.
	It was just more of them getting mad at me and, you know, refusing to hear my side.
	And eventually, it was sort of a mutual ending to the friendships because they didn't want to be friends with a bigot.
	And I didn't want to be friends with a bigot.
	Mutual hatred of bigotry, but only one side of that equation is actually bigoted, and that is, of course, the left.
	The people who recommend segregated, segregated graduations at Ivy League universities today.
	That's not conservatives, and remember, Here's your... I haven't done this in a long, long time.
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	We're talking to Julie Hartman, host of Timeless with Julie Hartman on YouTube.
	Also, the joint show with my friend Dennis Prager.
	It's called Dennis and Julie.
	You can follow her at Julie R. Hartman on Instagram and also her website, Julie-Hartman.
	Almonds.
	What is it about almonds?
	Can you explain that to me?
	I didn't watch the video, but I saw some kind of chyron about arguments with Dennis over almonds.
	Dennis and I have a serious show, but we also infuse a lot of levity, both on and off the air.
	And that's a video of Dennis, a packet of almonds from Dennis' lunchbox.
	And Dennis is trying to get me to guess how many almonds there are.
	That's just one of the crazy videos we have.
	And another one, I'm at Dennis' house, and I am playing with Dennis' pet squirrel.
	Yes, that's right.
	Dennis Prager has a pet squirrel.
	And in the video, the squirrel's jumping on me and on Dennis.
	That's another fun one.
	That's just clickbait.
	You guys were just... That's just utter clickbait.
	As if Otto, the most famous dog in America, weren't enough.
	You hired, you bought, you manufactured an animatronic squirrel.
	I have no sympathy for the clickbait you are posting.
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	All right, Julie, I want to dig deep.
	I want to find out a little bit more about you.
	You're a prematurely wise individual.
	You speak with the precision and the intelligence of somebody more than twice your age.
	I'm curious, are you an only child?
	I'm not.
	I'm actually the youngest of three sisters.
	That is very weird.
	That is very weird.
	Because I'm an only child and your maturity kind of smacks of that.
	Tell me about your background as a liberal.
	Was that from your parents?
	Where did that come from?
	Was that just your milieu in California?
	And then, well, just start with that.
	Tell me about your genesis as a liberal.
	Sure.
	You know, I was sort of a liberal by default.
	I wasn't particularly politically engaged.
	Frankly, Seb, my vocation in high school was getting into college.
	That is what I was obsessed with, what many of my peers were obsessed with.
	So we weren't really paying attention to politics.
	But just being in L.A., And, you know, being in high school, we just were sort of liberals by osmosis or by default.
	And it was really when I started to engage politically and learn the actual facts about various subjects.
	That's when I became a conservative.
	All right.
	And then was it really I want to dig because usually it's not.
	It's not an instant moment, it's the result of some increasing crescendo.
	Beyond BLM being the kind of ultimate straw, what other things made that conversion take place?
	Or was it really that sudden that you thought, okay, they're lying to me that flipped the switch for you becoming a conservative?
	I think it's an astute question because Sometimes I call that period of my life, I think I even did on the show, a transformation.
	But I actually think I was a conservative all along, and that finding Dennis gave me the vocabulary to express it.
	But I think the main development in my life that made me conservative has to do with my second oldest sister named Gina.
	She has very severe autism.
	She's now 30 years old.
	She's eight years older.
	And I, growing up, saw her go in and out of government-run group homes.
	And Seb, you would not believe the abuse and negligence that occurs in these group homes because they're run by the government, they're poorly supervised, the caretakers are not vetted, they don't have background checks, and people like my sister are quite vulnerable and they cannot say, hey, this person is abusing me, hey, this person isn't helping me brush my teeth, et cetera.
	So I think growing up and seeing that government waste Was very important for my development and also many of my sister's caretakers, if I'm being honest, were black.
	And although some of them were great.
	There are others of them that were not so great.
	And often when we would bring instances of abuse and negligence to court, what would happen is that those black caretakers would lie and they would say that my parents, for instance, called them the N word or that we were racist towards them, which is of course not true.
	And in the court of law, that would exonerate them from all of the charges of abuse and negligence that we brought to the court.
	So I saw the way that this That's fascinating.
	That is a book you have to write.
	That life experience more than anything, I think informed my current beliefs. - Now that's fascinating.
	That is a book you have to write.
	And then the reaction of your sisters and your parents to your transformation or your transition?
	I'm very lucky.
	My oldest sister, again, I have two, one who's autistic, one who's not.
	My oldest sister is supportive and my parents are supportive.
	They don't agree with me on everything, but they know my heart and they know how much I care about this.
	So I'm very blessed to have a good family behind me.
	And how's Thanksgiving dinner?
	Well, there are certain topics that we stay away from, especially with the extended family.
	Let's just put it that way.
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	All right, so I'm looking at your official bio, my dear.
	And not only are your educational credentials and sporting credentials very impressive, that you set some records in the 50 and 100-yard freestyle events in swimming.
	I'm going to ask you about walkery and sports in a second.
	However, as a former professor and associate dean of national security issues for the Defense Department, One thing that stands out for me is your dissertation or the prize you won for your essay on the assassination of Patrice Lumumba.
	Not exactly your average essay title.
	I think most people your age have no idea who Patrice Lumumba is and they probably think that Patrice Lumumba is a woman or why he was assassinated.
	I'd love to read it.
	Please send me.
	I'd stay on the line after the show.
	I want to exchange emails and I want to read that essay.
	But first things first, I'm going to use that as a kind of peg to hang this next question on.
	That is a very impressive topic to choose for anyone at any age, to write about that, because it's seminal to the Cold War and to geopolitics in general.
	And there's a reason why there's a Patrice Lumumba University in Russia.
	But most people your age, and this is the good news, if they haven't made the transition you've made...
	And they have been indoctrinated.
	If they think sex is assigned at birth, if they think America is evil and open borders are good, and everybody having a Tesla will somehow save the planet, my contention is the following.
	As the child of those who lived as children under fascism, who were persecuted under communism, my father was arrested, imprisoned, and tortured by a communist regime before he was liberated by some freedom fighters.
	My contention is that people of your generation, and maybe slightly older, whilst they may have been indoctrinated in the schools, in the colleges, that indoctrination is skin deep.
	It's very superficial.
	And as such, It's relatively easy to counter if we wish to.
	It's not a deep indoctrination because, you know, my friend Chris Plant says, have fun with one of these people if you meet them.
	And the first thing you should ask them is, Oh, really?
	You know, Donald Trump and Trump voters are fascists.
	Can you define what fascism is for me?
	And of course, I mean, you know, does not compute and they won't be able to answer you because it is just a label.
	It's just, you know, a vituperative, you know, calumny.
	You've lived it very recently.
	You've been in the heart of darkness in Harvard.
	Am I right in saying that your fellow demographic is indoctrinated, but it's not very deep?
	Yes, I think that's a great observation.
	You know, what I say is that sure, there are people who don't get it and they're indoctrinated and they've been brainwashed.
	But I think the bigger problem in this country is that there are people who blindfold themselves.
	They don't want to see the truth because it's easier for them personally and professionally to go along with the Democrat Party line and ignore all of the egregious miscarriages of justice that we are seeing in this country.
	We're seeing the suppression of free speech through the Twitter files and these recent files that just came out that the White House was pressuring Facebook to, you know, censor content of people who are skeptical about the COVID vaccine.
	We're seeing the DOJ being weaponized against conservatives treating Jan Sixers different than BLMers.
	Merrick Garland going after pro-life people for this grave offense of just praying in front of an abortion clinic.
	You know, we see what goes on every day in schools with people being ridiculed and harassed and silenced for having conservative beliefs.
	You know, not everyone in this country is stupid.
	They know what's going on.
	But as I said, they are blindfolding themselves because it's easier for them to just pretend like this is not going on and to not speak up about it.
	And that shows a grave character defect.
	That shows a lot of cowardice.
	And that's what I was trying to highlight in my senior speech.
	I was saying, we are undermining the very system that we have benefited from with our cowardice.
	Shame on us.
	Yeah, so I'm glad you made that last point because for me it's not, you know, a willful ignorance.
	It truly is cowardice because they believe it proffers them some safety.
	It's like, you know, Disney going woke or, you know, Coca-Cola going woke.
	You know, they make those donations.
	to the the rabid foundations that propagate the leftism in america because it's also an insurance policy and i think that functions on an individual basis i want to be safe i want to make the right noises so nobody comes after me so it's it's also an act of cowardice in my opinion so here's perhaps the most important question For our purposes here.
	I know you're super busy but you're part of Salem so you will come back on this show.
	I'll talk to Phil and we'll get you back because this is really important for everyone to hear.
	Give us some assistance, Julie.
	I'm 52.
	You're less than half my age.
	What is most effective?
	I have my own job to do.
	I keep the base active.
	I give them hope.
	That's what I do.
	My job isn't to cross the line and try and bring over other people.
	Sorry, I'm not good at that.
	What has worked in your experience with people in their 20s?
	To try and at least ignite the spark of Socratic questioning.
	You can't pound the Bible, you can't scream at them at being idiots.
	Is there some tip you can give us in terms of how to communicate with these people who have been indoctrinated or have chosen the easy path of cowardice?
	Well, it's a question that I constantly ask myself and I'm trying to figure out as I'm, you know, a broadcast host.
	And one of my biggest goals is to reach that cohort of people.
	You hinted at it, Seb, right now, but I think we have to meet them where they are.
	And sometimes I think that we conservatives It's hard because I don't think that we should shrink away from being hard-lined and being emphatic with our views.
	But sometimes I think that strategy-wise, we come a bit too hard at them.
	You know, I liken it to talking to people about religion.
	And this is said with all due respect to Christians.
	You were saying you're a cradle Catholic.
	I'm a cradle Catholic myself.
	But sometimes when Christians are trying to proselytize, Sometimes it's just a bit too much.
	It's God is going to save your soul.
	Jesus is going to, you know, redeem you from your sins.
	And that's kind of a bombardment for someone who isn't well versed in the language of religion.
	That's just kind of too much to swallow.
	So what I try to do is I try to start small.
	And I try to say, you know, okay, well, you want to defund the police.
	Why don't we bring it to your neighborhood?
	Is that what you really want in your neighborhood?
	Do you, you know, just try to, instead of just going like, so to the top and talking about the Steele dossier or talking about, you know, the Twitter files, or I try to sort of start small and meet them where they are.
	That's an everyday conversation.
	That's obviously way different, Seb, than being on the radio when, you know, your job is to talk about these news stories.
	But I would say, Don't come off super angry and try to meet them where they are.
	And make it relevant to them.
	Personalize it.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Personalize it.
	That is the biggest thing.
	I love it.
	I love it.
	There's a reason that Dennis has done with this lady what she's done.
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	Alright, this has flown by far too far too quickly, but we will have you back.
	In the meantime, you've got to watch, you've got to listen to Julie with Dennis on their show, Dennis and Julie.
	Very imaginative, very imaginative titling there.
	I'm sure Dennis came up with that and not Sue.
	And then her own show, Timeless with Julie Hartman, and on Instagram at Julie R. Hartman.
	And the website is Julie-Hartman.
	When are you going to... You've got to write... I know you're so old and wrinkled, but you've got to write an autobiography.
	Will you write a book?
	Because I think your...
	Your transition, as you call it, is fascinating.
	What do you think of that idea?
	You know, I definitely want to write a book, and I've started to write a book.
	I'm going to keep the subject hidden, though, because I don't want anyone to steal my idea.
	But you know, Seb, I'm sort of averse to writing an autobiography, and maybe not indefinitely, but at least right now, because I feel like people my age, all they do is talk about themselves.
	And I don't want to succumb to that stereotype or fulfill that stereotype.
	So maybe I should.
	I'm flattered and honored that you think I should, but I don't want to be one of those Gen Z narcissists.
	All right, I get it.
	That's a very, very good take.
	Maybe a book on the issues, just with snippets, with illustrations from your life.
	That could be a more... How shall I say it?
	Less politically correct, if you know my drift.
	All right, Julie, let's look at the future.
	Do you remain an optimist about this nation?
	I'm really sorry to say it, no.
	I'm being brutally honest, and maybe I shouldn't say that aloud, but if we continue down the road that we're going down, no, I'm not.
	What I will say, though, is I'm very encouraged by the messages that I get from young people.
	And I'm not saying this to flatter myself.
	I'm saying this to flatter them.
	When young people watch me, I get a lot of emails from people in college and in high school, and they'll say, Julie, thank you so much for being public.
	I don't feel like I can say this, but I'm so happy that you are.
	So that does give me some hope.
	I think there are more people out there than we think who understand what's going on.
	But unfortunately, they're not the ones in power.
	And the ones in power are really, really causing the country to commit suicide.
	Yeah, we have to remember that, you know, me in the swamp, you in L.A., we don't live in environments that reflect real America.
	And it is, you know, the America between the East and West Coast that really is America.
	All right, last question.
	You were very successful as an athlete in school.
	Here's a little bit of good news, perhaps.
	It's my contention that if there's any issue that will red pill tens of millions of Americans,
	It is the extremism of the transgender lobby and the idea that, you know, a guy who's ranked 237 in men's swimming says he's a girl and then he becomes the national champion and then he gets to walk around with his tackle out naked in a girl's changing room That's going to be a wake-up call for lots of Americans who otherwise would be apolitical.
	As a former athlete, don't you think if there's one issue that will help us the most to bring America back to sanity, it is the general reaction to the transgender radicals?
	I would be inclined to agree with you, Seb, but there are so many other issues that seem as obvious as the transgender one that you would think would wake up Americans, but they haven't.
	You know, I mentioned just a few minutes ago this defund the police movement.
	People haven't woken up to how corrosive and bad that is.
	We see just last week Illinois became the first state, and unfortunately it's probably not going to be the last state, to completely eliminate cash bail.
	I certainly hope so, but again, I'm sorry if I'm sounding so pessimistic, but I'm just trying to be honest.
	This is not, by the way, even though I do really fear for the state of our country, this is not at all diminishing my will to fight.
	In fact, it redoubles my motivation to fight, because I so badly want it to change course.
	But I would have to disagree with you there, Seb.
	I don't think this issue is going to wake people up, because all the other issues haven't.
	Yes, there are so many.
	There's myriad issues that should have been the blue touch paper on the firework, but which weren't.
	But none of those issues actually endanger young girls.
	So I think that there's that.
	There's that moment where, you know, a parent goes, sorry, what?
	What just happened in my state?
	What just happened to my 16-year-old daughter's hopes of a sporting career being dashed by a guy who's got an Adam's apple and a deep voice and who says he's, you know, Francis today?
	So I still think that might be the issue.
	But this is another reason to continue the discussion.
	Stay on the line.
	I've got to ask you a question.
	In the meantime, we have been talking to Julie Hartman.
	Discovered by my rabbi Dennis Prager.
	You need to be following her.
	Her podcast on YouTube is Timeless with Julie Hartman.
	Then they have this other thing with that chap Prager called Dennis and Julie and she is on Instagram at Julie R Hartman.
	The website is Julie-Hartman.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This has been One on One.

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