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That's Biden with that funny chap up north, Trudeau, who always wears stupid socks.
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What was all that shouting about?
And why did Biden refuse to respond?
Well, well, well.
Let me tell you a story.
Here's one right up, in case you've been under the rock for the last 12 hours, from Paul Best at Fox News.
Classified documents from Biden's time as Vice President discovered at Penn Biden Center.
That's Pennsylvania University.
White House says.
Oh, the White House says!
How intriguing.
A batch of records from President Biden's time as Vice President, including a quote, small number.
I wonder who gets to define what small is?
A small number of documents with classified markings were discovered at the Penn-Biden Center by the President's personal attorneys on November the 2nd.
According to special counsel to the White House, Richard Zauber.
Huh.
November 2nd.
That's interesting.
Just file that away.
Let me continue.
The attorneys found the documents in a locked closet.
Oh, well, that's... Phew!
My gosh, at least it wasn't a closet.
Was it in with the cleaning materials and the extra cookies?
While preparing to vacate office space at the center, which the president used from mid-2017 until he began his 2020 campaign.
The National Archives were notified of the finding and took possession of the documents on November 3rd.
That's weird.
So within 24 hours the National Archives took possession of the classified documents, which by the way include the highest level, not only top secret, but special compartmented information, SCI documentation, the very next day.
They didn't raid the offices with FBI agents, In body armor, with loaded guns.
They didn't raid Biden's home, the White House.
They didn't raid his home in Delaware.
Wow, that's weird.
Quote, the documents were not the subject of any previous request or inquiry by the archives.
Oh, that's okay then.
Oh, who cares where they're classified?
Nobody was looking for them, Zauber said in a statement.
Since that discovery, the president's personal attorneys have cooperated with the archives and the Department of Justice.
You mean the Department of Justice that's run by that meat puppet Merrick Garland who was nominated by the same guy Who had those classified documents illegally in his old office.
You mean, you mean that Department of Justice?
Right, just want to make sure.
Yeah, yeah.
And in a process to ensure that any Obama-Biden administration records are appropriately in the possession of the archives.
Well, you know, I mean, he was vice president so recently.
Let me, let me think.
Eric, when was Biden vice president?
Was that last week?
No, when was that?
I believe that is now six years ago, January of 2017.
Oh, six years ago.
Well, isn't that interesting?
File that away as well.
We'll come back to that in a moment.
Attorney General Merrick Garland appointed U.S.
Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois John Lausch to review the matter, according to CBS, which first reported on the document's discovery yesterday.
Biden slammed former Vice President last year after FBI agents seized approximately 300 classified documents from his Mar-a-Lago home in Florida.
Oh, in fact, I think we have that cut.
Here's a little reminder.
Cut one.
When you saw the photograph of the top secret documents laid out on the floor at Mar-a-Lago, what did you think to yourself, looking at that image?
How that could possibly happen?
How anyone could be that irresponsible?
And I thought, what data was in there that may compromise sources and methods?
By that I mean names of people who helped, etc.
And it's just totally irresponsible.
Hmm.
We should probably save that clip.
That might be useful in the future.
The PEN-Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement is affiliated with the University of Pennsylvania.
Hang on, the PEN-Biden Center is affiliated with the University of Pennsylvania?
That's so surprising.
But opened its doors in Washington D.C.
in February 2018.
The think tank's stated mission is to, quote, engage Penn's students and partners with its faculty and global centers to convene world leaders, develop and advance smart policy, and strengthen the national debate for continued American global leadership in the 21st century.
Is that why Penn State has accepted in recent years more than 50 million dollars from the Chinese government?
Is that the kind of global engagement we're talking about?
Yeah, just file that away.
The Department of Justice and National Archives did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Monday.
Alright, so you got three things filed away.
Let me add a couple more.
Allegedly, according to recent reports, amongst the documents that were classified at the highest level, top secret, SCI, include policy documents on the Ukraine.
Yeah, on the Ukraine.
Isn't that interesting?
And also, President Trump, unlike any vice president ever, I don't care who they are, Republican or Democrat, President Trump can declassify any document like that.
Which he did.
The documents at Mar-a-Lago are not classified, if he deems them not to be.
A vice president cannot declassify anything!
Ever!
He can request they be declassified, but he has no power to do so.
So that's a crime.
And let's summarize it all with a great clip from the one and only Byron Donalds.
Cut 5.
Play cut.
Oh, well, my reaction is pretty simple.
I'm wondering why the vice president of the United States had classified documents outside of the hands of the intelligence community.
Listen, it's been pretty clear that presidents do have some classified documents, but the difference between a president and everybody else is the president has the ability to declassify information.
The vice president has no ability to declassify information.
So number one, what was he doing with classified information in his possession?
Number two, why did it take six years?
And I wanna stress this for the American people.
Joe Biden left the vice presidency in 2017.
So it's taken six years for these documents to surface.
That is incredibly concerning.
And point number three, and this is the one that's most important, everybody can go back to the Hillary Clinton email saga.
We know other presidents have had classified information, but why was there a raid on Mar-a-Lago?
But now this story just kind of seeps out and everybody's saying, oh, we just want to get down to the bottom of it.
And everybody's giving the benefit of the doubt.
And it seeps out now, despite these documents being discovered six days before the midterms.
Interesting, though.
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Title for that.
Uh, what you need to know about Biden's, uh, Biden's secret documents.
Top secret documents.
Biden's top secret documents.
What you need to know.
What you need to know.
That was a pretty good clip from Byron, wasn't it, Geoff?
Yeah.
Geoff said, yeah.
You think he's going to be good in the next Congress?
That was the unforgettable Inethia Lynette Hardaway.
Or Diamond.
Of Diamond and Silk.
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The saga continues.
What do we need to know about the Biden files?
Hashtag Biden files.
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She's already published on the topic.
The article is in my hand from The Federalist.
The difference in Biden and Trump's classified documents isn't what you think.
Senior legal correspondent for The Federalist, former federal law clerk Margot Cleveland.
Happy New Year.
It's been too long.
Welcome back.
Thank you so much, and Happy New Year to you as well.
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So give us some examples of why this is different and why people may be surprised as to the real reasons, Margot.
Great.
So everyone is looking at how this is similar, and the similarities being, obviously, classified information, top secret, that it was stored in a closet.
And then you've got the left-wing media trying to spin it, saying, well, this is different.
It was an accident.
There weren't that many documents.
And he's cooperating with the archivists.
Really, the problem here goes back to the day Trump left the White House.
When Trump left the White House, you had the National Archivist watching him.
He said this.
The archivist said, I'm watching him with these boxes thinking, what the hell has he taken with him?
They were looking to get Trump from the moment he left the Oval Office.
And they treated Trump differently from day one.
When it was Obama, the National Archivist and the National Archives, they were working with Obama to set up his library.
They sent the documents to suburban Chicago.
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
Let's get a little bit accurate here to that highly protected secret service.
Oh, sorry, wrong.
That former furniture warehouse where they kept millions of documents from Obama's administration, correct?
Right.
So, you know, I'm not sure where it was, but it was in one of the suburban Chicago areas, Hoffman Estates, I believe.
And the only difference there is that the archivist was working with Obama, and they were technically under control of the archivists and the archives.
Well, you know what?
If they wanted to work with Trump and they were concerned about them being in Mar-a-Lago, they should have worked with Trump and said, OK, we'll put this in our possession and we'll start working with you to have your library set up.
But they didn't.
Instead, they referred it to the DOJ, which never happened before.
It didn't happen under Hillary Clinton.
And the irony, I mean, I have just had this grin on my face all day because it's so ironic.
Because the way they treated Trump, now the National Archives had to refer it to DOJ.
And Merrick Garland had to have a U.S.
attorney investigate it.
So they're looking at it and saying, oh look, we're treating this the same.
They had to treat it the same because with Trump, they had such a high profile, different way of treating the president.
So now they're stuck with having to do it.
But the whole problem stems back to when Trump left the White House, the National Archives should have been working with Trump to set up his library, to make sure that these were technically in the possession of the archives and that they were stored in a way that they were comfortable to make sure that these were technically in the possession of the archives and that they were And they didn't.
So because of that, this is this huge scandal, which, you know, it really shouldn't be a scandal.
The scandal is merely because of what they did to Trump.
So now they have to act like they're being serious about it.
I think there's a phrase for this, Margot, and the phrase is hoisted on your own petard.
Because if you're a Democrat, they will facilitate everything, even furniture warehouses in Chicago for millions of documents.
If you're a Republican, if you're President Trump, they will try and trap you.
And now it's going to be hard to avoid this.
From a historic sense, Margot, can you think of Forget presidents.
Can you ever think of a cabinet member who had his home raided by armed agents of the federal government to re-obtain classified documents in American history?
You know, I can't.
And that's the other part that's just, you know, fascinating watching this spin.
They're trying to say, oh, well, with Trump it was like 300 documents and Biden it was only 10.
Well, yeah, because it's six years later and they didn't rate him.
If they rated Biden or Obama, who knows how many documents they would have found that were classified that were not kept under Yeah.
you know, whatever the National Archives says they have to be maintained by.
So the whole disparity between the number of documents is ridiculous.
They found them, but they weren't even looking for them.
Right, so they weren't looking for them.
It was six years after he left his position.
And the number of documents is bloody irrelevant.
It can be one document with the nuclear launch codes vices you know three million with the you know the the itinerary of the president from his diary.
The number is absolutely irrelevant.
God bless you Margo for illuminating the story for us.
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Hey, Margo?
Yes.
Title for that one. .
What did we call A?
Biden's top secret documents that you need to know.
What did I call it?
Biden file gate.
Biden files.
Biden files.
But that's a D, right?
Okay, great.
Biden files.
Hashtag Biden Files.
What everyone's missing.
What everyone's missing.
Alright.
This guy is not very smart.
I mean, looking up how to dissolve a 105-pound body on the Internet is not smart.
All right, what have we got?
- Oh, this is C. - Let's see.
I wanna use cut 11 with Conrad.
Let's start potting it down about 40 seconds in.
Alright guys?
Alright.
Not coming with anything here?
Um.
Um.
Come in with 10.
Come in with 10.
No liner?
Oh, actually, no.
That's really good.
We'll use that with Alfredo.
That's good.
Oh, okay.
He is six already.
Five.
Some of the earlier stuff?
- No, we're good.
Alright.
90 seconds.
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We should.
I don't think he's very technologically minded, but... His phone lines are usually fairly clear, too.
Yeah, now that we switched from cell to landline, it's usually better.
40 seconds. 40
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When is the FBI going to raid the many homes of Joe Biden, perhaps even the White House?
That's an interesting question.
These documents were definitely not declassified.
Who said that?
President Trump said that on Truth Social after he shared the report from CBS News.
Yeah, they weren't declassified because Biden, when he was vice president, couldn't declassify anything, now more than ever.
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Good afternoon, Dr. Gorka.
I'm a retired senior NCO who held a NTS clearance, to you are how are politicians able to circumvent established protocols safeguarding classified material and two why are they not prosecuted that basically is no protocol how does somebody like eric swalwell who by the way was kicked off the intelligence committee by speaker mccarthy along with adam schiff oh
Oh, how lovely.
How does Eric Swalwell, who to this day cannot say these words, Paul, he cannot say, I never slept with a Chinese intelligence officer, how does that person maintain a security clearance?
How do people like Joe Biden become vice president?
Look, when you were a senior NCO, Paul, I don't know if you still are, but if you had relatives that were in business with communist Chinese government companies, with crooked Ukrainian energy companies, and were persistent, persistent felons when it came to the use of drugs and prostitutes, would you still have your clearance, Paul?
No, Dr. Gorka, but here's the problem.
There are protocols.
I had to follow them.
No, you did.
You did, but Eric Swalwell doesn't.
That's my question.
Why are they not held to the same standards that we hold our military to, to this day?
I think you know the answer to that question.
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Home of election fraud 2020 and 2022.
Yeah, I wouldn't say you're the center of it.
You're one of the centers, but carry on.
Thank you, sir.
Appreciate it.
Well, as Admiral Bannon would share with us, you got to look at the noise in the signal.
The noise is there were classified or secret documents that Biden had from his time as a vice president, as Paul mentioned.
The signal is the establishment class hates us, we the people, and they continue to break the law.
They continue to do things that we the people would never be able to do.
So unfortunately the lamestream media keeps couching this is exactly the same as President Trump.
President Trump had the authority to declassify anything and everything.
His vice president, resident Biden puppet, did not have that ability.
We need accountability, sir.
We do, we do, but it's up to us and we're not going to see any accountability outside of a couple of new investigations in the lower house of congress until we get the chief executive position back in our hands.
And it should be President Trump.
And I've made this argument many, many times before.
Of all the people out there who should be president, there's only one who can only be president for one term and that's President Trump and that's why we need him because he needs to burn down the deep state and there is no person out there, not even Ron DeSantis, who wouldn't want to be re-elected and wouldn't take the necessary measures.
So Dave, Accountability, yes, but accountability that has to come from the Chief Executive and we need to get him elected.
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Alfredo?
He's on.
Alfredo?
Yes, Sup?
Hey, Happy New Year.
Hey, Happy New Year to you.
How are you?
Good, good, good, good.
Congrats on the book.
Thank you, sir.
Thank you.
Uh, I, uh, I'm exciting.
It sounds like we're, uh, we're getting some great hits.
So, uh, hopefully this narrative really gets, uh, gets some air coverage.
Who did you publish with?
Uh, it's called Defiance Press.
Okay, good.
All right.
It's a great idea.
It's a superb idea.
I look like I'm going to be on Dinesh's podcast here anytime soon.
Oh good!
You should get on Dennis' show as well.
I did.
I just did Dennis and PragerU actually is going to do one of their 5 minute videos on it with me.
The dens are going to know what hit them!
Well, just like your testimony in 2022.
Oh, that really pissed him off.
Yep.
Oh, man.
I feel an audit coming.
I feel an audit coming.
I'm not worried for you.
I hope so.
There's nothing that he did any... I mean, it's a W2, so it's pretty easy.
All right.
Standby, 50 seconds.
Sounds good.
Not coming in with anything?
No.
Alright.
Oh, hang on, no, I did.
I did, um... Oh, diamond and silk?
Yeah.
Cut, cut ten.
Cut, uh... Yes, cut ten.
All right, no liner, Alex.
Yeah.
All right.
All right.
You know, the more they hate it, or the more they hate, the more we continue to educate, especially the Black community, by letting them know we can no longer vote for a system that keeps handing us crumbs.
Diamond and Silk telling the truth about if we educate all Americans, then one of the great, great consequences will be our Black brothers and sisters leaving the Democrat political plantation.
That's why Diamond and Silk were so very, very powerful.
We lost you far too early.
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All right, somebody else who fights every single day for the real heart of America, which are the small, medium, business-size owners that employ more than 60 million Americans, is our good friend, the founder and CEO of the Job Creators Network, Alfredo Ortiz!
Happy New Year!
Happy New Year to you, Seb.
Thank you for having me.
Now, you've surprised me!
You have a new book out, super excited about this book, The Real Race Revolutionaries, How Minority Entrepreneurship Can Overcome America's Racial and Economic Divide.
It's a great, great concept.
Tell us what made you write this book first, and then we'll talk about what happened in Congress with you last year.
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, it actually was exactly related to a testimony that I gave last spring.
I'll send one to Hakeem Jeffries.
Firehouse Ways and Meetings Committee, because it was a narrative that I'll tell you, though, as we go into it, they didn't appreciate it.
So I'm thinking of getting them all a signed copy of the book so they can read.
I'm sure they're going to use it.
Hey, you've got to send one to Hakeem Jeffries.
Will you do that for me?
Oh, I will definitely do that.
Oh, that was such a horrible speech, by the way.
Appalling.
Appalling.
So what's the main message here?
What's the main idea?
Because, sadly, when I moved to America in 2008, we didn't have, you know, real racism.
There was no systemic racism.
Somebody reintroduced it.
His name is Barack Obama.
And it's only gotten worse from there.
You have a solution, Alfredo.
What's your answer?
Well, the answer, as you and I know, and we experienced it under the Trump administration in the environment of low regulation and low taxation, but the best way to close racial income and wealth gaps is by expanding our economic opportunities through the free market.
And ironically, though, the very same free market that liberals want to curtail, regulate, and rule over in the name of addressing racism is the most potent antidote to really address racism.
Capitalism financially punishes racial prejudice, and that is the premise of the book.
And I tell you, when I basically had that testimony in the House Ways and Means Committee last year, it did not go over too well.
All right, so let me share just how badly it went over your message that we can help minorities in America by allowing them to run their own businesses.
Here's a quote from a response to your testimony from a Democratic member who said the following.
She said, your rhetoric is troublesome and it is inappropriate to argue that minorities can overcome their circumstances through entrepreneurship.
Alfredo, help me out here.
Why would it be inappropriate to help American minorities be successful?
Oh, by the way, you forgot one little piece in there.
And ignorance, by the way.
Yes, of course.
Ignorance, right?
If you argue that.
Look, because that rhetoric just doesn't fit their narrative, right?
That the government is a solution.
That more government is a solution for everything, according to Democrats.
But you know what?
How does that saying go, Seb?
That, you know, if you only have a hammer in your toolbox, everything looks like a nail?
Right.
Right?
I mean, so yeah, so they were not too happy with that.
And that's what made me think.
I was like, you know what?
This is a narrative we have to get out to the American public.
And I'm just really, really excited that we were able to do this, get the book out.
And we're getting some great traction.
So I'm really, really thankful for that.
Well, let's put the book up on the screen.
Everybody needs to get it right now.
The Real Race Revolutionaries.
By our friend Alfredo Ortiz from the Job Creators Network, the president and founder.
Can I make one addendum, one suggestion to that?
Your comments have to be labeled not only inappropriate but ignorant.
Because if the minority community, if the black community, actually becomes successful and not dependent on the Democrats and on big government, then the Democrats lose their power.
Isn't that the real reason that you had to be attacked, Alfredo?
Oh yeah, 100%.
And Ced, let me give you this quick point here, because it's in the book, but there's several actually great data points.
So this is a great one.
A Congressional Black Caucus Foundation study found that the median net worth for Black business owners is 12 times higher than that for Black non-business owners.
In other words, Black entrepreneurs more than eliminate racial income and wealth gaps, earnings, and savings far more than median white households.
They do not like that.
That study was buried, and we found it, and we got it out there.
Twelve times more prosperous than if you depend on somebody else, if you're paid a salary by somebody else, or if you work for government or local government.
There you have it!
That's the real answer.
That's why they don't want you to tell the truth.
You've got to get that book today.
You've got to go also to thejobcreatorsnetwork.com.
Keep telling the truth, Alfredo, and keep driving the Democrats insane.
The book is The Real Racism Revolutionaries.
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In's and out's?
In's and out's?
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46. 6.
Thank you.
47.
Block the lines.
Block the lines.
And...
And...
Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh.
Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh.
So I think, I don't know if this is the end of the beginning or the beginning of the end, but I think we're going to enter a new phase where we will see criminal charges out of Georgia with respect to the former president on this aspect of what he did to overthrow the will of the people.
Really?
Really?
Isn't that Mueller's old pitbull, Weissman?
President Trump, he was so busy.
He was also orchestrating January 6th, but he overthrew the elections in Georgia.
Hey, Jeff, I forgot to ask you.
Why do you think, you had an interesting theory.
I thought maybe they're throwing Biden under the bus right now with the classified documents.
You had the opposite.
What was your theory?
The Democrats, whenever they know something is going to come out, they always get it way further away from the election as they can.
Like Hillary Clinton's emails.
That was the early spring of 2015.
Yeah, they did the same thing with Biden and Tara Reade.
That was a year and a half before the election.
They beat it to death for a week or two in their media.
That way when it comes up three, four months later, oh, that's an old story that's already been forgotten about.
Alright, because you think he's running, right?
I don't know how, but I guess maybe at this point he is.
I think you're right.
I think you're right, Jeff.
Good hypothesizing.
Let's go to your calls.
Phil, Minneapolis, line one.
Hi, Dr. Gore.
Joe Biden left the vice presidency in 2017.
Yeah.
The Penn-Biden Center opened in February of 2018.
Yeah.
Where were those documents for that year?
And how many more does he have?
Well, that's a very good question.
You're a genius.
What a fabulous question, Phil.
Yeah, where were those documents for a whole year?
Stay on the line.
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But that is the question.
Where were they?
In Jill's closet?
Let's go to Stanley.
Stanley, line three.
Welcome.
Hi, Dr. Gorker.
Hey.
I was thinking like son, like father.
Hunter forgot his laptop at the repair shop and Joe forgot his documents at Penn State.
And what I think is you'll hear John Brennan come out and say, this smells like Russian disinformation.
Yeah, yeah, a Russian disinformation campaign.
Like father, like son, you're absolutely right.
Leaving laptops full of evidence of felonies at a computer data recovery store.
Or just leaving top secret SCI classified documents in a closet of a quote-unquote think tank that's affiliated with a university that has received 54 million dollars from Communist China.
You drew your own conclusions.
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Did you see, by the way, Seb, by the way, Seb, that Katie Porter announced she's running for Senate?
I saw that.
I just keep- anyone who wants to run against her, she just posts that stupid picture of her as Batman.
And that's all you need to do.
That is still one of the ugliest things I've ever seen in my life.
It is frightening.
It was so ill-fitting.
Oh, I'll go ahead and send you the link to the 1A, because you wanted that posted right away.
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Conrad.
Yes, sir.
Greetings.
How are you today?
Not bad, not bad, not bad.
In the thick of things.
My wife is monitoring.
She's the chief election officer for a special election in Virginia.
So she got up at 4 a.m.
and won't get home till about 8.
So I'm grass widowing all day and got to rush back home to be with the dogs as soon as we're done.
Okay, well, you know, we all love to do our civic duty.
Indeed.
If we've got just a second here, how do you, I mean, my theory is that, well, our candidate had a rocky last month of last year.
He's actually looking a lot better in the last couple of weeks.
I think it did a lot of good for him to put McCarthy across, for example, while McConnell was hobnobbing with Biden.
I think you're right, and I think we should discuss that, how he looks right now.
So we'll start with Let's start with the race for Speaker, and then we'll move to this question of the classified documents that they found under Biden's office.
Did you see the thing I sent Jeff?
I've got it.
I've got it right now.
I've got it in front of me.
I've got it in front of me.
All right.
Standby.
30 seconds.
Right.
When do you want to come in with that?
And... ...and
you can see it.
Because they're very hypocritical.
Whenever you walk off that plantation and you choose to run for office and can win it, they don't like it.
If you don't agree with them politically, if you don't agree with their ideology, they have a problem with it.
So this is what we are witnessing.
This is what we are seeing.
And it doesn't matter whether you're black, white, pinstripe, polka dot, or plaid when it comes to these people.
If you don't go along with what they want you to go along with, then what they do is demean you and disparage you.
That's right.
Doesn't matter whether you're pinstripe, polka dot, or plaid, or black, or white.
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So much to discuss, and I can't think of somebody better to discuss it with than Lord Conrad Black, one of your favorites.
Lord Black, welcome back to America First.
Thank you, Sebastian.
Always glad to be with you.
We have to discuss the news that broke not too long ago regarding multiple top-secret SCI documents found in a closet in President Biden's former quote-unquote think tank in D.C.
But before that, as a, well, I think as perfectly situated as a lord from the British system, I find it quite amusing that for four days we were told that there's chaos in the lower chamber in Washington, I find it quite amusing that for four days we were And it just made me think of my erstwhile home and what things are like in the lower house of the House of Commons in the Palace of Westminster.
Here's a little, little snippet.
Cut seven.
John Bercow.
That's not uncommon for the House of Commons.
Your reaction to those who say four days of voting on the Speaker of the House in the United States is catastrophe.
Well, that's just rubbish.
I mean, it's just the Democrats trying to make the Republicans look ridiculous.
By the way, John Bercow was an appalling speaker of the House of Commons.
He was a grandstander and a bully, and Boris Johnson, when he became Prime Minister, refused to elevate him to the peerage, which traditionally a former speaker of the House of Commons always is.
But your listeners aren't interested in that.
Look, I think that the way it's worked out is actually pretty good.
And I thought the people saying that, you know, McCarthy has shown he can't make it, so he should withdraw, were just fools or hypocrites.
Because what that would mean was another 50 ballots, while the Republicans must have made complete asses of themselves.
And I thought that the gang of 20, as they were at the outset, were more obstreperous than they should have been and strained their moral credibility by steadily upping their demands.
But with all that said, I thought McCarthy showed Uh, strength of purpose.
President Trump's intervention was decisive and helped make it harder for his critics to lump him in with the extremists and the reactionaries in that party since those were the elements that he was opposing in favor of McCarthy.
And I thought that those who tried to say it was just a healthy exercise in democracy were being unduly chipper and cheerful.
It wasn't that, but I thought it worked out all right.
And all this wailing and gnashing of teeth and crocodile tears, if I may mix metaphors, About the destruction of the authority of the opposite speaker.
This is just a load of codswallop.
I'm taking it back to England again with that one.
Because one party or the other is going to have a substantial majority soon.
I mean in the next house or soon after.
And if these rules as revised don't work, they'll revise them again.
I mean you can revise the rules whenever you have the votes to do it.
So that is just a load of rubbish.
I think that the speaker has shown
Firmness, and he was very conciliatory and statesmanlike in his remarks, unlike the outrageous comments of the new Democratic leader, Hakeem Jeffries, saying that Mar-a-Lago was tasteless and identifying QAnon with the Republicans, which was about as inappropriate and obnoxious an opening statement as I have ever heard any new entrant into any public office utter.
I think it was just a disgrace.
So I think it's come out actually not badly.
I tend to agree.
And I think the fact that at 2 a.m., 2.18 to be precise, you had Kevin McCarthy on the cable news thank President Trump Saturday morning for helping close the deal.
And I listed the concessions made, which were all eminently reasonable and would not have occurred were it not for those 20 holdouts.
But in your latest piece, you have a fascinating story from the longest-serving Speaker of the House, Sam Rayburn.
Will you just share the essence of that story, Lord Black?
Indeed.
The late David Brinkley was a friend of mine, of course, who was a very famous newsreader and commentator, from NBC and then ABC.
And he is from North Carolina, and his first job in the media in Washington was in 1943, And he went over to the Capitol to sit in the press gallery, and the Speaker, Mr. Rayburn, a 24-term Congressman, and I think, well, he was Speaker 17 years, but leader of the Democratic Caucus or minority leader for another approximately 20 years.
He was a gigantic figure in the history of the Congress.
And that's one of the reasons that one of the buildings of the Congressional Complex bears his name to this day.
Right you are.
Anyway, he stood up and said, I have a message from the President of the United States, who was Roosevelt at the time, of course, which is a request for a supplementary estimate of $50 million, which a lot of money at that time.
And this is a matter of absolute national security urgency and absolute requirement for total confidentiality.
And in the circumstances, the President has asked that I call for a voice vote for approval and that the That the House accept the word of the President and my word, because he has told me what this is, that this has to be done and it has to be done in this way.
So with that, all of them, everybody except one congressman agreed.
Rayburn asked the dissenting congressman who wanted a debate and said, I have great admiration for you, sir, and for our President, but I really think that democracy requires we have some debate and some disclosure.
So he said, I asked the congressman to approach the chair.
And according to David Brackley, you saw Rayburn whispering to him for about 30 seconds, whereupon the man went back to his chair and said, Mr. Speaker, I wish to change my vote and join in the consensus.
And so Brinkley said to him after he went up to this conference and said, look, you may not want to say exactly what the speaker said to you, but tell me what you can about what he said.
He said he gave me the distinct impression that if I didn't change my vote, my political career was over.
Is it a thing to be regretted, Lord Black, that we don't have a parliamentary system here as we have elsewhere, which is just a little bit more enjoyable to watch?
Yeah, and people tend to get better at debating.
I mean, in the congressional system, there are good debaters, but really, these people give speeches back and forth.
Yes.
And you don't get that repartee that some of the greatest parliamentary leaders, like Disraeli and Churchill and so on, are famous for.
Or Thatcher, too.
But I think you could stand a bit more of that, yeah.
And also, that parliamentary system is Frankly, it's less pompous.
There's something terribly pompous about the Congress at times, I think.
And not only that, because it isn't really a debating chamber, most often you have people stand there and read speeches onto the record with nobody in the chamber or, you know, three people sitting behind them.
It's not exactly... Yeah, and then they put in attachments, and I also want... So you have a 50-page article from, you know, the Palookaville Gazette or something.
Yeah, that is true.
In the parliamentary system, as you know, in Britain and in Canada, very few seats are safe.
Some of them are safe.
But the fact is, the majority of them can change parties in the election.
And in the U.S.
Congress, the Senators have a six-year term, so they're fairly secure.
Those seats can change.
But most of the House of Representatives seats, I mean, at least I would say at least 300 of them.
Really, almost never change.
Bingo.
Yeah, that is the cost of gerrymandering.
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Yeah, Burkhard was a disaster.
yeah burka was a disaster he was an awful man what's he doing now I think he's got maybe some sinecure with some media company.
No, I think he's just gone to the practice of the law.
I don't think he's got... I mean, if he's in the media, I haven't seen it or heard of it.
Maybe it was just a podcast interview or something.
But he thought himself terribly flamboyant and entertaining, but he wasn't at all.
No.
And you made outrageous comments about Trump, too.
Wearing colorful ties does not make you truly flamboyant.
And is not appropriate to the position of Speaker of the House of Commons.
No, no, no.
I don't know.
I think it's looking a little better.
And I like what the Republican House has done so far.
They seem to be purposeful.
One of the things that all of us whose voices are ever heard, you much more than I obviously, in the media have to do, I think, is Not allow the Democrats to get away with this nonsense that if any committees are set up to look into things in the past, That will prevent any legislation.
It's a complete bunk.
I mean, you can have select committees investigating all manner of things.
That doesn't get in the way of the legislative agenda at all.
Correct.
But I have to agree.
I mean, and I think it's so telling.
By the way, Eric, come in with 11, and then I'll indicate when you can pot it down, okay?
Hakeem Jeffries, I mean, outside of just qualifying that speech, I think it's an indicator of just a lack of intelligence that you'd give such a speech as your first act as the leader.
I agree, and I think it's a lack of intelligence collectively that would elevate him.
I mean, I almost found him, just as a member of the Congress, whenever I saw him, he was always very obnoxious and just unnecessarily abrasive.
I mean, I don't have any objection to a person, you know, taking a strong stand or attacking his opponents when there's any reason to do it.
Nothing wrong with that, of course, but he was just always as aggressive and belligerent and annoying as he could possibly be, and I don't know why they're Putting this guy up there, I mean, he's not some long-serving parliamentarian of distinction.
He's only a free-term congressman, isn't he, or something like that?
Right, but the same reason that Kamala Harris is the vice president.
It's tokenism.
No, but frankly, they've got lots of African-American congressmen apart from him they could have put up there.
If you ask me to name them, I might have a bit of a problem, but that's just because I don't know the Democratic congressmen so well.
I mean, I've seen, if I'd thought about it, I think I could think of some that I would think would be better, but my goodness, they've got some awful committee chairmen now.
They really have some terrible people.
But at least Schiff and Swalwell have been kicked off the Intelligence Committee.
Well, Schiff is cranking up to try and take Feinstein.
Is there any chance the Republican Party can revive in California any time soon?
They can, but it'll take some time.
Stand by.
If the Trump people represented that they provided all the classified or national security information and didn't, that's a serious problem.
I can tell you anyone in the intelligence community that had documents like that marked top secret SCI in their residence after authorities went to them, you know, they would be under serious investigation.
Well, Joe, absolutely the American public should trust what the FBI is doing.
And I'll say it, I think it's imminent as it relates to the president.
Look at the timing and everything else.
I think he's in trouble.
I think his surroundings, Jeffrey Clark, John Eastman, perhaps Mr. Giuliani, it's going down, as they say.
I'm not a lawyer, but without getting too technical, I think both Rudy and Trump are screwed.
When we talk about this, there are laws against the impact... From Adam Schiff to John Brennan to Nancy Pelosi and the mainstream media say, oh my gosh, the ramifications for the Mar-a-Lago raid are gargantuan.
Well, what about the breaking news regarding the current incumbent of the White House?
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Lord Black, a couple of phrases come to mind.
One of them is hoisted on your own petard.
But here we have a former vice president who has no authority to unilaterally declassify anything, being found in possession in his former offices of top-secret SCI materials, some of which, according to latest reports, pertain to the Ukraine of all countries, and found by accident six years after he left office.
Your reaction?
Well, of course, it's hilarious in a way.
I would certainly give Mr. Biden the benefit of the doubt on this, as I did Mr. Trump.
I just don't believe either of them would have anything to do with the violation of the Espionage Act.
And I think it's quite clear that the actions at Mar-a-Lago at the end of August were a straight political move to remind people of the negative aspects of Trump by enabling and facilitating the The lackeys of the Democratic National Committee in the national political media, which is 95% of the people in that media, to sling mud at Trump again just to get people back, you know, thinking about him in a negative way.
And so the fact that it appears to have evaporated, nothing is happening, and it's just another nothing burger like his tax returns, which for years they were screaming for them to be revealed as if they would As if they would expose him as a terrible grifter or tax cheat.
You know, I think that's nonsense, and I don't believe Biden would.
I mean, I'm not an admirer of him as president, but I don't think he would break any laws in that way.
So it's not clear to me whether Garland, who is just taking political orders as far as I can see, and is effectively being directed by the powers that be in the Democratic Party,
Is doing this for tactical reasons to show even-handedness preparatory to some new attack on Trump, or is actually signaling a de-escalation that the Democrats, either because they think Trump is no longer likely to be their chief opponent, or because they think a change of tactic is necessary, are just making it harder to make the arguments that you and I do, and lots of others do.
Almost every week about how uneven the justice system is and how partisan it is.
And the fact that this actually was uncovered by the National Archives before the midterms was not announced until now, and there was nary a leak from any bureaucrat concerning this discovery, unlike with everything to do with President Trump.
Isn't that also quite a condemnation of the establishment?
I would say it's an extremely severe indictment of them, and added to that is the fact that it's just come to light that that institution that held those documents, I believe this Penn-Biden thing.
Yes, Penn-Biden.
Pennsylvania.
You know, that particular entity has received $50 million of donations, contributions, anonymously, from China.
And, you know, you don't get a tax treatment for it in China, so what are these people putting $50 million in there for?
Yeah, exactly.
So, given that, given the lack of any serious consequences for the Mar-a-Lago raid, sticking to President Trump, and now of course it being impossible to discuss those without reference, to the Biden lapses in security.
And add to that, we now know that the closing deal for Speaker McCarthy's 15th vote was brokered in part by President Trump.
It does look like his star is rising, perhaps? - I think so.
And it's also making it harder for Trump's most vehement enemies to accuse him of being an extremist, I mean, at the outset of the contest for elevation of a Republican speaker, they were lumping Trump in with the more, you know, the more easily caricatured members of that dissident group.
And, you know, going through the old thing again about how Trump is, you know, way out of the mainstream and so forth.
And, of course, as it turns out, he was instrumental in producing a mainstream solution.
And it makes it harder for them to lump him in with people who are quite easily, whether fairly or not, portrayed as extremists, like Congressman Boebert and people like that.
I mean, I have no objection to her myself.
She doesn't always do herself a favor the way she presents, you know?
So I think he's showing himself as a centrist, a constructive person.
The revelation of his taxes, which was a co-celeb for years, has been a nothing burger.
Mar-a-Lago raid was a nothing burger.
So I definitely think he's off to a good start this year.
Do you have any significant expectations for this Congress, at least for the House?
I do.
I think some of these committees will actually produce some very interesting evidence, and I'm sure that they're going to be set up in a seriously bipartisan way, not a kangaroo court like Pelosi set up over the nonsense to do with January the 6th of two years ago.
The Democrats will have their say in that it won't be just prerecorded evidence read off teleprompters as part of a, you know, for the delectation of the Trump-hating media.
It will actually get people's attention for the fact-finding that goes on.
And these things have to be aired.
I don't mean with a view to sending a bunch of people to prison or anything.
I wouldn't prejudge it, but I think we all want to know, you know, what was the FBI doing conducting wiretaps on the Trump campaign and the Trump transition team on the basis of false affidavits?
And, you know, what really went on in the organization of this massive ballot harvesting?
And what really is the story behind the Biden family's longstanding activities in other countries?
which looked awfully like influence peddling.
Now, I've said all along, I don't see any evidence that government policy was changed because of contributions to the Bidens.
But on the other hand, there's a great deal of evidence that the present president and members of his family were guilty of improper behavior.
The truth will out, to quote the Bard.
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Sure, sure.
Look, I want to talk to you about substack.
Could I call you during the week or something?
Yeah, absolutely.
Mornings or after the show, absolutely.
Well, do you mind sending me, at your convenience, an email with the right phone number to call?
Liz Harrington.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
President Trump's star is rising.
No, we haven't.
What do you know about him?
Oh, okay.
Okay.
Okay.
you By grabbing him on the mouth is rather weird.
It does look like a tableau, that's true.
Alright, so coming with cut two.
What's his name?
These really monumental changes that he did have to agree to in order to get the speakership, to make sure that we actually have conservative bills coming out of Congress, conservative representation, on these very important committees that I think have been neglected, like the Rules Committee, are very important.
They're a very big deal.
But for him to go back on that in such a short amount of time, I mean, the public outcry would be enormous.
And President Trump would be at the forefront leading that charge, and he's going to be holding Kevin McCarthy's feet to the fire, because Kevin McCarthy would not be Speaker had it not been for President Trump intervening and lending his support and his powerful endorsement to Kevin McCarthy.
Statement of fact from President Trump's chief spokesperson, Liz Harrington.
Now do you understand why President Trump endorsed Kevin McCarthy?
Because Kevin McCarthy would not be Speaker without President Trump.
And if we do our part and President Trump is back in the White House, then guess what?
Yeah.
He's got somebody who owes him something.
You may not like it, but that's politics.
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Yes, I've got a few observations and then a question I want to pose to you, Dr. G. Is this not proof, this raid on Biden's papers that the walls are closing in on President Trump?
I wish it were a raid.
The absurdity of the whole situation is that they found these top secret SCI documents that included documents relating to Ukraine, Iran, and the United Kingdom in a Closet, Ray, not in a compound protected by the Secret Service, in a closet.
It was a very secure closet, much like an old furniture warehouse, you know, very secure.
It might have had a chair up against it, you never know.
Okay, observation number two, something we all know, that Democrats always accuse Republicans of what they've already done, what they are currently doing, or what they are planning to do in the near future.
And this is just more evidence of that, that they're trying to project onto someone else their own guilt, their own crimes.
And then, number three, the DOJ, I've noticed, especially recently, they do not prosecute by accident or because they bumbled onto a crime.
They do things on purpose.
They're very deliberate about what they're doing and who they prosecute.
And Democrats with press passes also.
They bring us the news story that it's very calculated in state-run media what we're allowed to see and what we're supposed to be outraged by.
So my question to you, is this The beginning of the takedown of Biden or who is working to weaken Biden to make sure he doesn't run in this next cycle.
Right.
So you know me, Ray.
I like to deal in facts.
Now and again, I will hypothesize based upon experience and based upon data we have from other related stories.
So here right now, there are two options.
The first one is the one that I suspected originally, which is they want to get rid of him.
And they're throwing him under the bus.
However, you know, Jeff posited the following, which is just as feasible.
Let's see where the data leads us to as it starts to dribble out.
But the left has this penchant, this tradition of when there's a problem that is significant, they Release it really, really early.
Whether it's Hillary in the emails or anything else.
Just so people get fatigued and tired of it.
And they may be doing this right now deliberately.
Why?
Because he really is running again.
And if he is...
That's great.
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It's easier to get President Trump on the show than it is to get this woman.
She is, how do I put this?
She's like a whole, not a regiment, she's like a division.
of Culture Warriors, and the left hates her, and that's why they've tried to destroy her, even doxing her.
She's out of the closet.
She put her face to the cameras for a recent interview with Tucker.
She is libs of TikTok, or rather, Chaya Raychick.
Chaya, welcome to America First.
Hi, thanks for having me here.
I wanted to have your pretty face on the screen.
All I have is your symbol libs of TikTok because what did you say in the break?
You're a complete boomer when it comes to technology.
Yes, exactly.
Well, since you're a social media warrior, shouldn't you be better at technology?
I should be.
And I'm going to have someone help me with this for all these Zoom and Skype interviews.
So next time I come on, which hopefully will be soon, we'll have the video set up.
All right.
Well, you said that in front of three million people.
So now you are committed to come back in full Technicolor and Panavision.
All right.
For those who aren't familiar with who you are, you've got to follow this lady at Libs of TikTok.
Explain What is this dastardly thing that you do on social media?
And also, perhaps most interestingly, why you started?
So I started posting videos from TikTok onto Twitter because I was noticing all of these bizarre videos that were also, I think, dangerous.
And I was like, I gotta Share this with more people.
I think more Americans need to see what's going on in our culture.
So I share, I basically take TikToks and I post it to Twitter.
But what, tell us what it was at the beginning.
What were the kinds of things that you said, Oh my gosh, that's weird.
People need to see this.
So it started with, uh, it really started during COVID with, it was a lot of the vaccine stuff, you know, they created a cult around Lord Fauci.
Um, so there was a lot of, uh, Fauci and, and COVID cult videos, you know, people just being really crazy when it came to masks.
So there's mostly that kind of, of videos.
And then what happened?
What were you accused of doing and what happened to you when the mainstream media discovered you Chaya?
So the mainstream media hated me.
They accused me of being a hateful, bigoted, dangerous account, you know, for simply just reposting videos.
So your sin was the accusation of bigotry and hatred came because you were editorializing and editing and changing these things, correct?
So I do no editorial.
I just take the videos from TikTok.
I post it to Twitter with very minimal commentary.
And like they say, sunlight is the best disinfectant.
So they just really can't handle seeing themselves saying things in their own words.
Which is weird, because if you didn't want to see these things out there, you probably shouldn't post videos of yourself talking about how you're brainwashing your children in kindergarten.
I mean, wouldn't that be rule number one, Shia?
I would think so, yes.
All right, I'm looking at your Twitter right now.
When did you get 1.7 million followers?
When did that happen?
Well, a couple months ago when Taylor Lorenz from the Washington Post doxed me, my following more than doubled.
And then over the last couple months, it just kept growing.
Don't be shy.
Don't say some people from the Washington Post.
You're talking about Taylor Lorenz, aren't you?
Taylor Lourdes, also known as TayTay.
TayTay, who has issues with herself being doxed, doesn't she?
So, the first time I ever heard of Taylor was a few weeks before she doxed me, and that was through a video where she went on TV and basically started crying actual tears about being doxed and about having her information shared.
That was the first time I ever heard of her.
And then a couple weeks later, she puts out this article doxing me.
The hypocrisy is just unreal.
Others in your position who had the mainstream media hounds unleashed on them would likely disappear, would stop what they're doing, would take a pause.
You did the opposite.
You kept on posting.
You actually put your work, you know, you put a name to the face.
You did that long interview with Tucker.
Why are you still doing this?
What is the real reason for why you're doing all of this?
Well, I think that since I've been doing it for so long, I see what's out there and I see what a sad state our culture is in right now.
And I just feel that I can't stop.
It's too important.
I have a moral obligation to continue exposing this stuff and to protect the innocence of children.
And I'm never going to stop.
What do you mean doing it for so long?
You only started in, what was it, 2020?
Yeah, it's been about a year and a half.
Yes, so very long.
Alright, what is your message to those out there?
You've got three people, three million people listening and more watching.
Those people out there who think we should just keep our heads down, we shouldn't comment on the transgender insanity and everything else.
What do you say to those people who think it's better to just play safe and it'll all go away?
Well, I think that we have done that for too long, and it's obviously not working.
And what I'm doing is really having an effect.
And I've seen other people start channels similar to help expose this and educate people.
So we have to continue doing that if we want to have a real chance at taking back our culture.
We have no other option.
You are absolutely correct.
What was your training in all of this previously?
What background do you have in social media and journalism, Chaya?
Absolutely not.
I was a real estate agent, as Taylor Lorenz put in her article.
So I have no... I'm a total outsider.
No background in this.
And it just shows that anyone could do this.
Anyone can become a journalist.
If you see something, you have to... No, no, no, no.
You're right.
Stop it.
That's absolutely wrong.
I tell you, somebody who can't be a journalist, Taylor Rurens, will never ever be a journalist.
She's just a hack and a propagandist.
You gotta follow this lady right now.
She is a warrior princess, Chaya Raychick.
Just go to Twitter right now, Libs of TikTok.
You could even send her crazy stuff that you found at submissions at Libs of TikTok.
Next, you'll actually get to see her when she comes back on the show.
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I bet that PR company charges a lot for that as well.
Alright, what have we not played?
We've played everything, haven't we?
We haven't played Cut 4.
of Skype three minutes ago.
I bet that PR card charges a lot for that as well.
All right.
What have we not played?
We've played everything, haven't we?
We haven't played Cut 4.
Oh, Bordella!
Oh, that's too good.
All right.
That's the only one we haven't played yet.
Or also Cut7.
He's the guy that used to be at Breitbart, right?
Yes!
And he's been one after another with these ridiculous things.
Yeah, he's the guy who left when Shapiro left.
Oh boy.
You want to come in with that, Cut4?
Yes, what's the other one I haven't played?
Thank you.
There's a reason why the hideaway, the hideout for some of these bad actors is to go to Ron DeSantis' and Donald Trump's Florida.
That's where they're going.
So that tells you everything you need to know about why they've chosen Florida and places like Mar-a-Lago as safe haven.
At this point, Mar-a-Lago is nothing more than just a front for a criminal enterprise designed to undermine democracy worldwide.
That's what's happening right now.
You know, that's probably worse than anything on QAnon.
I mean, isn't it, Jeff?
Mar-a-Lago is the headquarters of an international enterprise to undermine democracy everywhere.
That is actually unbelievable.
And the way that he says it, just so smoothly, it's not even a big deal.
Yeah, and the fact that he used to work for Breitbart, that's Kurt Bardella, is even more interesting, isn't it?
That is very interesting.
What a change in five or six years.
I know, it's so strange.
And what about this?
It's a lovely tweet I just found from Rob Reiner, that expert on politics and judicial matters.
You know, the film director.
After the January 6 runoff, there is absolutely no reason for Merrick Garland not to indict Trump for stealing top secret classified government documents to strengthen democracy.
It must be done.
I guess we have to arrest Biden now, right, Eric?
It would only be fair.
Again, at least President Trump had the authority to declassify documents.
Vice President Biden never had that authority.
Yeah.
Hey, Rob, we should arrest Biden, right?
Let's go to your call, Scott, California, line one.
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I'm there.
Can you hear me?
I can.
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Good.
I just want to make sure you can hear me okay.
I can.
What's your question?
What's your comment?
So I wanted to get the point.
I want to ask you a question.
You know how there was talk, I think even on your show, from some of the experts that said when they grabbed all these documents from Trump's Mira Lago, that really what they were doing was trying to get these documents that incriminated Obama and Biden and Clinton and basically lock them down.
They're not under purview because they're part of an ongoing case.
Right, right, right.
Cash Patel mentioned that, yes.
Could they be doing the same thing?
Yeah, they could be, but we don't have evidence to that effect, and the story is that they were discovered accidentally by his lawyers.
But, you know, given the fact that we now know that they're about Ukraine, Iran, and the UK, anything is possible.
Listen, we are dealing with the most corrupt administration in the modern age.
We're dealing with, truly, I mean, Bardella's right, but it's not that Trump Family.
It's the Biden criminal cartel.
So anything's possible.
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So we have a new speaker of the house.
We have some rhinos that are losing their coveted positions that they expected to receive as chairman of key committees.
Is it all show and tell?
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Or did the few days of holding out by the Freedom Caucus hardliners make a difference for the future of the conservative movement?
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Chris, so let's start.
I'd like your take on, first things first, this idea that, ooh, it's so chaotic.
It's so bad to wait a few days to choose a Speaker of the House.
Your reaction to the accusations of unheard of chaos on the right.
No, of course it's not chaotic.
I mean, elections are just this way, as they say.
I mean, I wish I'd come up with what I'm about to say.
I didn't, but it's right.
I mean, we wait a long time to find out—too long, actually—to find out the results of elections in places like Arizona after we have our big election.
And that's after all the votes have been cast.
It's perfectly fine.
For the members of the House of Representatives to have multiple votes as they negotiate who they want to be speaker and what they want to see the future House look like, not just in terms of who the leadership is, but also in terms of what the rest of the structure looks like, the rules of the House, the chairmanships, the vice chairmanships and so forth.
The argument that this was chaotic, I think, is not the argument.
I just think that's false.
I mean, the rules under which a Republican majority operates are pretty important.
Well, especially when you look at the nature of the rules that they propose, and I read a few of them out yesterday on Monday.
They were like, oh, members should be allowed to add amendments to budget bills, as opposed to the leadership just deciding fait accompli what should be in a budget, and members being allowed to propose a vote on the vocation of the chair.
None of these things seems to be extreme or radical.
And I thought, don't you agree, it was rather telling that the other side, the McCarthyites, never spoke of the substance of what the Freedom Caucus 20 wanted.
They just said, oh, this is bad.
Why would you not speak of the substance if it was actually a policy problem, Chris?
I think, um, so I have a little bit of criticism for both sides here, to be honest with you.
I think what you're saying is correct, is that if they wanted to address the substance, meaning the leadership side, then they should have done that.
I think it would have made their case stronger, by the way.
But the flip side, I think, is also true, which is that the rhetoric that was coming from several of the, I don't know, I feel like it's wrong to call them the dissidents, but the people who were not originally voting for McCarthy, a lot of their rhetoric was just, we don't like Kevin McCarthy and he's bad.
And that was the part that sort of led to the accusations, I think, of this being chaotic and rather than substantive, because I think when it came to the substance of the arguments about, well, we should have certain people, we want X, Y, and Z to be the chairman of these certain committees and we want these rules and Z to be the chairman of these certain committees and we want these rules changes, they were on very, very firm ground when they
When it was personal and sort of venting spleen against Kevin McCarthy, that's when I think the arguments became a lot weaker.
And so the American people in general and the Republican electorate in particular, I think is very sympathetic to the rules changes that were proposed and that were ultimately being made.
And so my general view is that had those arguments been at the forefront, In that regard, I see an analogy to the midterms, Chris.
It seems as if both sides, just as with the GOP writ large, really failed to make a case, which is, I think, fair to say, of the midterms.
changes that would make the House run better in the future.
In that regard, I see an analogy to the midterms, Chris.
It seems as if both sides, just as with the GOP writ large, really failed to make a case, which is, I think, fair to say of the midterms.
As a Conservative and as a voter, I couldn't tell you what the GOP stood for in the midterms, could you?
No, I mean, this was a big failure that Republicans had in the midterms, which is the decision was explicitly made that Republicans should run against Biden, try and make the election a referendum on Biden.
You talk about the Bidenflation and that sort of thing.
And that wasn't it at all, because basically, I think one of the things that people fail to recognize is that we're a pretty dicey economy.
There are a lot of unknown unknowns, as Don Rumsfeld would say, going forward, and people feel a little precarious in their lives.
And that makes them not more likely but less likely to want political change.
They want some type of stability.
So, like, the economy is dicey, but it's not horrible.
Like, we're not deep in a recession yet.
That may come later this year.
And as a result, just running and saying, well, we're not Biden and, you know, inflation is too high, etc.
It just wasn't enough.
And there had to be a positive vision for the future.
There had to be a positive vision for what Republicans want the country to look like and how they were going to get us there.
And that vision was never, ever articulated.
And this is actually one of the biggest critiques that we have of our own side, which is that We consistently fail to articulate a vision for the future that makes people's lives better, and instead really do just become a permanent opposition party.
And that's just no way to run a country.
And beyond the debate itself and the shenanigans of the last four days, what is your opinion of Kevin McCarthy?
Well, I mean, so McCarthy, I think the good, the bad and the ugly here with McCarthy is that, you know, in some ways he's been pretty effective.
Let me say the good first, because I want to start with the good.
So McCarthy has been a very effective fundraiser for CLR, for the Congressional Leadership Fund.
That is part of the leader's job, and he should get credit for having done that.
He also, I think, should get credit He also I think should get credit for taking a job, meaning minority leader, that is like a super undesirable job.
Like it's just, there's no glory in it.
You can't ever pass any legislation.
You really are just trying to herd cats all the time.
And so there is, I think some, there is some merit in being the guy who kind of The criticism of McCarthy on the other side, which is also fair, and that's what I think drives a lot of our fellow conservatives crazy, is that McCarthy doesn't seem to be especially ideological.
He's sort of broadly right of center.
But when it comes to the things that we all think are really, really important, you never really get the sense that he's 100% there.
You know, he may be there a little bit, or if he's forced to do stuff, he'll do it.
But I think what people, what the base is really looking for is somebody who's going to lead on these issues, not be led on these issues.
And I guess a final comment on leadership in general.
And this speaks to, this I think really speaks to the House in general, is that there were not really good plausible alternatives, or they would have emerged.
And this is a place where I think we have some real spade work to do in Republican politics in general, which is that we need to get new, better, energetic, smart leaders into the House so that there's a crop—so we have a batch.
So, you know, there's a crop of leaders in waiting who can—you know, they can start running their committees, and eventually they become—and eventually they get into leadership in the House, and eventually they become speaker.
And there are people that can lead the Republican Party and the country forward.
I mean, and just so I'm not all negative, one person who I, by the way, I think fits that bill is Jim Banks.
Like, Jim Banks ran for whip.
He lost by five votes.
Jim Banks, I think, would be a great, smart, energetic, legitimate conservative member of House leadership, and Republicans should consider him.
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The rhinos, for example.
He will never live this down for the rest of his political career.
This is Dan Crenshaw using the kinds of language that we use for people that we want to kill and are enemies of this nation.
Play cut.
Get another scalp, get another scalp, whether it's Boehner or Paul Ryan or then McCarthy, Scalise would just be next and we all know it.
We just can't allow that to happen.
That's why those of us who are saying, look, you pushed us into this corner, so now we're saying we won't vote for anyone but McCarthy.
That's why we're saying it, because we cannot let the terrorists win.
That's basically what's happening.
We cannot let the terrorists win.
This is from a former SEAL who used to kill terrorists.
I guess he wants to kill some of his fellow Republicans.
Chris, was there a positive aspect here of a kind of winnowing, of a separation of the chaff from the wheat, that now we know who the real, really hidden rhinos are?
You know, yes and no.
I mean, a lot of these people, I think it just exposed or shed more light on some of the things that we basically already knew.
There weren't really that many surprises.
Like, I mean, the clip you just played of... Crenshaw.
...that they call him, of Crenshaw, is, like, not surprising at all, right?
But he'd never used language like that before.
He'd never called his fellow Republicans Terrorists.
Yeah, no, I agree with that.
I mean, this is somebody who is permanently at odds with the rest of the Republican conference in the House and with the base.
And we're not psychiatrists here, but why is that?
Do you have any supposition as to What is his goal?
Is he trying to become the next McCain or does he think he's just too special and that these people shouldn't represent their districts?
What's your hypothesis to why somebody like him or even, you know, Judge Janine and others say, just suck it up and vote!
Well, in his particular case, I mean, we've seen this over and over again.
It's just bad character.
Like, this is somebody who does not have the character of somebody who should be in high government office in this country.
Just full stop.
Like, he needs to go and find some other line of work.
I think that's the best answer.
All right, let's talk about your book, America and the Art of the Possible.
Out today, where can everybody get it, Chris?
I can get it on Amazon.com, of course.
It's a little website.
You may or may not have heard of it.
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How dare he!
I bet they can get it at Am Greatness, right?
They can you can get it on them.
Greatness or our publisher actually does a very good job on their website.
Encounter books and you can order from them.
They do fulfillment.
It's it'll be there just as quick as if you order from Amazon.
I have already been promoting the book.
You'll appreciate those.
So you'll because I get these tweets and things from people who are like, I don't want to buy it from Amazon.
Where else can I buy it?
Encounterbooks.com.
It's available on their website.
You can buy it from them and fulfillment is, you know, within a matter of days.
So, it's available wherever good books are found.
All right.
Excellent.
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So, first things first.
What is the biggest... I understand the book is a diagnosis of the challenge we face as a nation.
Then your recommendations as somebody who's steeped in America first, who is a very successful businessman, what's the biggest challenge?
You know, five, six years ago, It was the, for me at least, and I think for you to a certain extent, it was doing the ideological heavy lifting for America First and for MAGA.
We had the president.
He'd won the election.
And there was the kind of so what movement like, you know, 1980, 81 for Reagan, that we have to build the ecosystem of doing the big thinking about what this means going forward.
I think the situation is probably worse today, given the state of the nation and geopolitical affairs.
But you tell me, based upon your book, what is the first thing?
What is priority number one for conservatives and for patriots?
I think it's a big question.
I mean, because there's a lot that needs to be done.
And this is why in the book, what I spend the first half of the book and what I would call this sort of descriptive element of the book and the second half of the book is prescriptive.
Because what we see in the country isn't just sort of a political problem, though we obviously spend a lot of time thinking and talking and working on that problem.
But there are a host of problems that run from sort of the physical, you know, biological problems in the sense of people are unhealthy in this country.
Like American lifespans have been declining for 10 years.
You see that people have a harder time making money.
Living standards are actually declining and have been declining.
A lot of these things play out in politics and they take on an ideological valence to them because people realize that, you know, they've sort of been promised one thing within the context of the American dream and they're getting something that actually is quite different.
I mean, a fundamental problem.
AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT THING.
Maybe this is the right way to answer your question.
The fundamental problem is that implicit and often explicit in the American promise is that you will do better than your parents and your kids will do better than you.
And that requires that the country is growing, that it is dynamic, or the term I use is vital.
It is a civilization that has vitality.
It is dynamic.
Good things are happening.
There's innovation.
There's growth.
There's expansion.
And that means, like, in very concrete ways, you know, people are living longer and they're healthier when they're older, right?
Those things have been going in the wrong direction in this country.
People are living less long and they're sicker when they're older.
And so people, yeah, I said this in the book, people say, well, isn't it great?
Like, we have these great pharmaceutical companies that, you know, they develop these great pills you can take if you have heart disease or or you or you or you have diabetes or whatever yeah that's great but what we're missing is is that we have more better medicines for heart disease but we have more heart disease like why maybe go back a step why do we have those problems and so the way i think about this is that uh and this is one of the things i sort of described it's like how do we get back to and this is job one how do we get back to
in America in which you have an expectation that if you or your kids sort of basically works hard and plays by the rules, you're going to do better than your parents and your kids are going to do better than you.
That's a very big, that's a very big question.
And that's why I tried to spend the back half of the book going through very concrete ways in which we could start to rebuild a country where that's possible.
All right.
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All right, Chris, how are we going to fix things?
You're absolutely right.
The expectation, you know, it's like it reminds you of, you know, when every year When my son was young, on his birthday, we'd sit down in the kitchen and I'd have my wife or my daughter film us.
And on my son's birthday, as he was a teenager, we'd arm wrestle.
On his 18th birth... I mean, he's a D1 athlete and whatever.
I mean, six foot six and what have you.
And on his 18th birthday, it was like we were in the middle.
It was like a stalemate for about three minutes.
And I said, dude, OK, you got me.
And I remember so well that day when My father looked up at me.
My father was six foot tall and he looked up at me and he said, you're taller, you're stronger, you're smarter.
That's the way it should be.
And I think that's the American ethos that, you know, you translate that to the prosperity of the next generation should always be greater than those of the parents.
And you're right.
We've we've lost that.
Now, how do you re inculcate that?
It's not just the indices.
of the economy.
It's not just the S&P.
That's really a cultural challenge.
So what are your recommendations for how we revivify, reinvigorate that ethos into the culture that was really built upon it, Chris?
Yeah, this is one of the things I stipulate this in the book.
This is just a massive problem and so nothing that I suggest in the book do I say will solve everything.
What I really try and do is I go through very concrete proposals that can maybe help change the trajectory.
In other words, they're a start.
You know, we're planting seeds here.
They're real.
They're tangible.
Do I think that in and of themselves any one of those things will solve everything?
No.
Like we didn't get here overnight.
We're not going to fix it overnight.
However, that doesn't mean we lack agency.
It doesn't mean we can't do things that are definable and good and positive and can help change the trajectory.
So, you know, it's sort of like turning around an aircraft carrier.
It takes a little bit of time.
And some of the things that I've proposed in the book really go and directly address the problems that I address.
Because what I try to do is be, you know, a lot of times you write their sort of political books and everything's up at 100,000 feet and they're not concrete enough.
But when I, you know, the problems that I've set out to try and help solve are where you, you know, we've got, for instance, like we've got the health issues.
You know, life's expectancies are down.
Chronic disease is up.
You've got the sort of material economic aspect of it, where you see that, that real wages have been stagnating, or for some groups of Americans have been declining for a long time.
Or you have another part where you have all the political dysfunction.
How do you solve those problems or at least begin to solve those problems?
One of the things that I spent a good amount of time talking about is how we might empower groups of people, smaller groups of people, in order to find the solutions.
That, I think, is half of the problem, is that you have such stifling conformity in this country.
Some of it is socially pressured, but some of it is also legally pressured.
You have HR law.
You've got sort of the education system that is very homogenizing.
And so I talk about how do we reinvent the American education system.
You know, the system that we have right now is basically invented at the behest of the Ford and Rockefeller Foundations at the beginning of the 20th century.
And it was really designed to try and adopt industrial principles.
In other words, how you run a factory and apply that to a school.
And the thought was that, like, we run these factories in a certain way.
We're in an industrial age.
We want to be an industrial country.
And so we're going to treat people like widgets, and we're going to run them through the system.
And, you know, I tend to think that was a bad idea, even at the time.
Maybe there was an argument for it 100 years ago or 110 or 120 years ago when this was being adopted.
That argument, if it was ever any good, and I'm skeptical of that, it is gone.
Yeah.
So we need to rethink our entire education system.
School choice is a good start, but there are ways that even that could be made more robust.
And one of the things, just to make it concrete, is, for instance, we should make college I love that.
I love that.
You should be also there should be an option where it could be two years if you just want to go and get a degree.
But we should also adopt a system where you can get a GED for college.
So maybe you don't have to go at all if you're able to demonstrate knowledge.
And that eliminates some of the sort of roadblocks in front of people, eliminates or reduces credentialism.
It allows people to get on with their lives in a way that is much more efficient where they can do it when they're younger.
I love that.
I love that.
And vocational.
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Chris, that focus on doing things at a smaller group level and a more local level, that sounds a lot like a...
A certain book by a former French aristocrat who visited France.
It sounds like what de Tocqueville identified as really one of the key building blocks of America.
The volunteerism and the fact that really, you know, we were built on subsidiarity.
The founding fathers wanted Washington to be an irrelevance.
Gridlock was designed into the system and everything, I mean, and this is what the left Yeah, yeah, no, 100%.
so well since Tip O'Neill and the, you know, everything is local act, politics is all local, is that it's that the local community is where America is at.
I think it sounds to me like you're talking about that as well, that kind of Tocquevillian thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, 100%.
I mean, I do think, I do think to the extent we're able to empower people, whether it be individual people, small groups of people, you know, sometimes they're called intentional communities.
And there's a sort of whole literature based around that It could be, you know, religious communities.
It could just be communities based on interest, geography, political outlook.
All of these sorts of human groupings, I think, should be given more power than they are presently.
There's actually a section on this.
One of the things that I think would be tremendously beneficial to the country and to the people involved in these projects is if we carved out a system In which people could build new cities in this country, like actual de novo cities, where they had a unique, shall we say, legal mandate, and it would allow them to experiment with different types of political arrangements within the context
of their city.
People have thought about this a lot.
There's a group called the Charter Cities Institute that has worked on things called charter cities.
There's another group called Praxis, which is working on something similar.
But basically the idea is that if people are able to, meaning legally able, to do something different and experiment within the context of American constitutionalism, that benefits some foreseeable and some unforeseeable.
I think we'll accrue to that.
Number one is building a brand new city is a huge undertaking.
Like the idea that we as a country would start building new cities, I think, in and of itself is exciting.
It would come with a lot of challenges and opportunities.
It would also force people to solve problems that were unforeseen.
And that's where innovation occurs.
You know, innovation always occurs at the margin where there's some challenge that you just absolutely positively need to solve for because it's an existential crisis.
And when you're building a De Novo city, you know, we saw this with Constantine.
He built Constantinople.
You saw this even in Brazil when they built Brasilia.
When people or civilizations undertake to build brand new cities, that's not only a sign but an impetus towards dynamism.
And the example that I use as kind of an analog for the way this could work is Puerto Rico, right?
Puerto Rico exists within the United States.
It is not a state which is sometimes said to be detrimental to the citizens of Puerto Rico.
I think that's not true.
Actually, it gives them a unique opportunity to innovate.
They have all their citizens with all the rights of being citizens of the United States.
They have a much lower federal tax rate.
They have a much lower federal regulatory burden.
And it creates kind of the structure around which, you know, for instance, a place like Hong Kong was able to flourish as kind of a window into mainland China and a way that it was able to trade and interact with the wider world.
There's an analog there that if we take kind of a Puerto Rican type system, we start building new cities in the United States, that those cities will, if they're given more latitude, more sort of legal latitude within the broader American constitutional framework, that they will be able to unleash dynamism, you know, that is latent within the that they will be able to unleash dynamism, you know, that is latent within the American people and that that will help make All right.
So we're creating new Constantinoples, new Brazilians in America.
We're going to talk about Brazil in a second before we run out of time.
But here's the challenge.
This is enticing.
This is seductive.
But let me throw it back at you.
I was on Twitter Spaces.
After the final McCarthy vote.
And somebody asked me a question about the conservative leadership in America.
What should they do about X, Y, and Z?
And I laughed and I said, what do you mean conservative leadership?
Who are the conservative leaders?
I mean, President Trump is still an outsider, not a politician, who's hated by a large swath of those who have the letter R after their name on Capitol Hill.
So even when it comes to such a concrete concept as building these new communities, who's going to be the standard bearer for this?
I don't see a cadre of conservative leaders.
How are we going to do this, Chris?
Yeah, there's a major leadership gap across the board.
Trust me, it's not just on the idea of building new cities, which I sort of intentionally tried to pick some ideas which were large and just sort of maybe on the borderline of where people would say that's completely undoable, because we've got to be thinking big like that.
We've got to be trying to undertake really big projects.
And I think that the leadership on issues like this is not original, is not going to originate in the political sphere.
It just can't.
It's going to have to originate possibly in like the intellectual world at a basic seed level.
But when, you know, to go to kind of realize this and make it real, it's probably going to come out of the entrepreneurial world, where people just say, you know, this is where people say, like, we actually want to build this, and we have experience at building things and making them work.
And part of this is a reaction to the fact that the political class doesn't have the experience of building anything and sure as hell doesn't have the ability or the history of making things work.
So I suspect that we're not going to find that leadership on these issues is political leadership, at least not at first.
The political class will come to this very, very night.
But it's going to be the innovators and the entrepreneurs who take this up, if anybody takes it up at all.
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I should have asked you earlier, since we're almost at the end of our hour, Chris, but you reminded me so graciously, so subtly, when you talked about new cities like Brasilia.
The events of the weekend, I was on another Twitter space, it is not good for my sleep.
Jeff, my producer, said you're absolutely right.
I listened to this Spaces with left-wingers, right-wingers, MAGA, hardcore Democrats, and it was like my head was spinning at the end of it.
I had conservatives telling me that it was Antifa types that faked it all.
I had left-wingers telling me that this is Trump and Bannon orchestrated insurrection in Brazil.
What's your reaction to these historic things we are witnessing from Brazil?
I don't think any of it's real.
I think just like the moon landing, it was filmed on a Hollywood set.
It's CGI!
It's Avatar.
This is Avatar 2.5.
No, exactly right.
I mean, look, this is...
I'm not in Brazil.
I for people who I trust on the say it is that it is real.
Bolsonaro supporters out there.
There's a lot of them.
So if this was fake, that's like an amazing fake job.
Um, but it's also consonant with what we saw right after the election down down in Brazil.
I mean, Brazil, I guess I look at this from an American context.
I spent some time in Brazil actually like the country quite a lot.
Um.
It is a country that we do not want to become.
And I say this as somebody who likes Brazil.
It is geographically very divided.
In the north, you basically have the left wing is very much in evidence in the north, and you have sort of the Bolsonaro sort of populist right that is in the sort of central and south part of Brazil.
So you have a geographic divide that is also a political divide.
And you have this sort of endemic corruption.
I mean, let's remember why Lula, the current president of Brazil, why his last term as president gave rise to Bolsonaro, which is because of a massive, massive, massive multibillion dollar political and financial corruption scandal, which wound up sending him to prison.
With three convictions.
With three convictions.
And then you have him in prison.
You have a corrupt Supreme Court, which sort of throws out the conviction and gets him out of jail.
And there is just a there is a pervasive sense where in Brazil that the system is broken.
It doesn't work.
And there's a reason for that.
It's because it's pretty broken and it doesn't work very well.
And so when that happens, this is exactly the sort of thing that you see.
And this is something that you see to a greater or lesser extent throughout the world.
We've seen it in Europe.
We saw it in the United States.
You see it, you know, kind of writ large.
In Brazil is when these systems become, they get gamed by the ruling class.
Everybody's in on the joke and they know that there is a small segment of the country that is gaming the entire system for their own private personal benefit and that everybody else is shut out.
And that leads to social breakdowns, social and political instability.
And so when I look at this, what I see is a cautionary tale.
And this is why we need to be very much on guard in this country to see that we have a system that is transparent, that is not corrupt, that has some integrity, and where we have a broadly shared American experience where everybody thinks they're getting a more or less fair deal.
It's a perfect setup for, I don't know, somebody to write a book on America and the Art of the Possible.
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