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Jan. 12, 2023 - Sebastian Gorka
02:42:08
Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Third batch of #BidenFiles found
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We had the Attorney General come out indictment style and say he had these documents in two locations that were unauthorized.
And then we had the President's representatives come out and say that they were inadvertently misplaced, which is not a defense.
Under the Espionage Act.
So I think, you know, there's a lot to be done here.
Facts are still unfolding.
Lots of things we don't know.
But we already know enough on the basis of what they put on the record to say that there's significant criminal potential vulnerability here.
What on earth is Andy McCarthy talking about?
We used to like Andy a lot.
He went a little bit TDS, Trump Derangement Syndrome, but he's still a good guy when it comes to legal analysis.
Greetings, dear friends.
Welcome to the Gawker Reality Check.
Do you know what he's talking about?
Because it sure ain't about Mar-a-Lago.
It's not about President Trump.
You may just be tuning in now.
Maybe you've been, you know, working all day and you're not a crazy media hound like we are here at America First.
So here's the update, because you won't believe it.
We found out a few days ago, what?
That in the empty offices of the Biden Penn University think tank in DC, in a closet, all of which is illegal, right?
We found top-secret SCI documents dating back to Biden's time as Vice President.
That's outside of nuclear secrets, Q clearance, the highest level of clearance.
Top-secret, special compartmented information.
Documents to do with Ukraine, Iran, and the United Kingdom.
And then we found out That's just part of the story.
Other documents, other classified documents were found where?
In Biden's garage.
Yeah.
And he admitted it.
He said, I don't worry because they're locked up with my Corvette.
That famous, famous defense.
You don't believe me, do you?
I don't blame you.
Let's listen to him.
This is cut to Joe Biden.
Let me, uh, I'm going to get a chance to speak on all this, God willing, soon.
But as I said earlier this week, people, and by the way, my Corvette's in a locked garage.
Okay.
So it's not like you're sitting out in the street, but at any rate, Yes, as well as my Corvette.
But as I said earlier this week, people know I take classified documents and classified materials seriously.
By the way, the classified documents were in my garage, where I lock up my Corvette.
He actually said that today.
You could hear Steve Doocy's incredulity.
Asking the question.
How many more documents are we going to find?
Oh, and by the way, here's the point that Andy McCarthy was making.
Two crucial points.
Just bear with me, because this makes the whole Mar-a-Lago thing collapse.
You're not allowed to have classified documents outside of a secure facility that has been certified as a secure facility.
You have to have a place to store them that is up to US code when it comes to classified materials.
You can't have discussions of a classified nature outside of a SCIF, which is a special compartmented room that can't have electronic devices inside it.
You can't take in a cell phone that can broadcast.
These are the regulations for the handling of these materials.
The empty office in DC connected to Penn University, which by the way received 42 million dollars of anonymous donations from China, is not a skiff.
The closet is not an authorized, classified, document container.
Number one.
That's a crime.
And now, we find he has them in his garage?
Where he keeps what?
The old tins of paint and the step ladder?
Also a crime.
And the second part of what McCarthy said is key, which applied to Hillary Clinton with her emails and applies to Joe Biden.
Ignorance or accident mishandling is irrelevant.
The SDB&R Act is unusual amongst U.S.
code because it says motive is irrelevant.
Usually in a crime, motive matters.
If you knock somebody over with your car because it's late at night, it's raining, and they run out in front of you, that's not murder.
If you follow your ex-wife with your car and decide to run them down because you hate her, that is murder!
Motive matters.
In the Espionage Act, it is clear.
If you mishandle classified information, it doesn't matter whether you're giving it to the Russians, the Chinese, or whether you accidentally left it in your briefcase and you walked out of the skiff and then dropped it on the street as you were pulling out your newspaper.
Both of those are felonies.
Intent is irrelevant.
So Andy's right.
I think we, you know, Biden should be confessing and pleading guilty.
Will he?
Of course not.
But the question is, why now?
And why one after another?
Are these things being dropped?
Let's listen to Cut 2 again, because this is not a man spinning a narrative.
This is not a man in control of what is happening to him.
And this is the man who bears the title President of the United States.
Mr. President, classified material.
Next year, Corvette.
What were you thinking?
Let me, uh, I'm going to get a chance to speak on all this, God willing, soon.
But as I said earlier this week, people, and by the way, my Corvette's in a locked garage.
Okay?
So it's not like you're sitting out in the street.
But at any rate, yes, as well as my Corvette.
Um, but as I said earlier this week, people know I take classified documents and classified materials seriously.
The Department of Justice has just confirmed a third document discovery and that meat puppet disgrace to the Office of the Attorney General is announcing a special counsel to investigate these documents.
Are they throwing Joe Biden under the bus?
Is this some personal revenge with somebody who has animus and an axe to grind?
We're going to discuss that with our special guest today.
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Yeah, give me a second here.
Do you want to do ins and outs for Mr. Squires?
Can you block?
You can put the mics on.
They are on.
to some of the allegations involving the Biden's and the Hunter laptop, Hunter Biden's laptop and Ukraine and China and some of the more serious allegations that this family...
You can put the mics on.
Are on.
Yeah, my mic busted.
You want to do ins and outs for Mr. Squires?
Can you just play eight and nine first?
Famously, President Lincoln had a team of rivals.
Sometimes I think President Biden has a team of morons.
I don't mean to be unfair.
That's fair.
Many of President Biden's appointees are very smart.
I've been calling for Mallorca's impeachment as well, because if you look at what he's done, he will look in the camera, look in the camera and tell the American people the southern border is secure.
We're not sure.
Oh, my gosh, so much for Delano.
Oh, my gosh.
The truth about the trans cult.
So is there a third thing or not?
I mean, the Chiron on Fox two minutes ago was third document dumped. - He actually worked off these documents, which were clearly marked as classified.
Oh, are they counting Mar-a-Lago?
No, they said third Biden one.
Oh, hang on, hang on.
There was one yesterday.
Undisclosed location.
That's the third.
That's the third.
Explains why the mainstream media is not describing it as a third.
They probably hoped- Oh, the two are lumped together, so people think two, because two is not as bad as three.
Alright, uh, 45 seconds, we have him on.
I am here!
Colonel K, are we having fun with, uh, hashtag Biden files?
Dear gosh!
Holy cow!
Un-real.
Alright.
Are we doing classified information is important or not?
Yeah, yeah, I hope you're Skyping in from your Skiff.
Skype from the Skiff, alright?
This is my Skiff.
Alright, stand by.
10 seconds.
Hi, this is President this is President Trump, and Sebastian is really a friend of mine.
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Who better to discuss It's really, you know, mind-boggling, the third instance in just two days of Biden documents, Biden files revelations.
He is Skyping in from his skiff as we speak.
Colonel K, Colonel Kirschlichter, welcome back to America First.
Thank you, Dr. Gorka.
I am the huggy bear of American conservatives.
Huggy Bear, what a dude, what a dude.
All right, I'm gonna have to watch some Starsky & Hutch tonight.
All right, just to reprise, because things are moving so incredibly at the speed of MAGA, at the speed of Trump.
This is what, you know, the senile old, you know, dodderer said in Mexico two days ago, just as a reminder to set up this story.
Play cut.
People know I take classified documents and classified information seriously.
When my lawyers were clearing out my office at the University of Pennsylvania, they set up an office for me, a secure office in the Capitol.
The four years after being vice president, I was a professor at Penn.
They found some documents in a box in a locked cabinet, or at least a closet.
And as soon as they did, they realized there were several classified documents in that box.
And they did what they should have done.
They immediately called the archives, immediately called the archives, turned them over to the archives, and I was briefed about this discovery and surprised to learn If there were any government records that were taken there to that office, but I don't know what's in the documents.
I've my lawyers have not suggested I ask what documents they were.
I've turned over the boxes.
They've turned over the boxes to the archives and we're cooperating fully cooperating fully with the review and which I hope will be finished soon and will be more detail at that time.
The first question now I forgot.
That's the best bit.
The first question I forgot.
And also where he starts the whole spiel with a lie.
When I was a professor at Penn... He never taught a call!
We're not a professor!
Okay, in your time as a colonel, I gotta ask you, if you were ever found with a top-secret TSSCI, you know, next to your BMW and the stepladder in the garage, that was a perfect defense, right Colonel K?
Yeah.
That would have worked out well.
My next assignment would be making large rocks into smaller ones.
But, you know, when he calls himself a professor, though, Dr. Gorka, I'm not sure that's completely inaccurate.
Professors are largely useless parasites who contribute nothing to society.
So, I mean, he's got that nailed down.
But at least they could talk for 40 minutes, you know, in full sentences.
Some of them.
Some of them.
We're having fun here, but I'm trying to be serious, but I don't think I can be.
So number one, top secret SCI documents in a closet in an empty office, which is being cleaned out by his lawyers, which is weird, because whenever I move offices, I always call Kurt.
Kurt, can you go and clean out my offices?
That's classically what Dr. G does.
Then we find out yesterday, a second location with classified documents undisclosed, we don't know.
And then today, with his Corvette and the old paint cans in his garage.
But don't want Kurt.
His garage is locked up, so everything is hunky-dory in Bidenville.
Well, he's got that dog wandering around, the vicious one, that attacks a Secret Service guy.
Look, you know, I stopped pretending that classified material had to be taken seriously when Hillary Clinton's didn't.
I mean, they told us it didn't have to be taken seriously.
And, you know, and then they decided it had to because it was Trump.
And now it doesn't have to again.
But I assure you, if you're one of the men and women charged with defending our country and you stir up classified information, they're going to take it seriously.
Yeah.
This idea, and as Annie McCarthy and I've made out the point frequently, it's one of the rare cases in the U.S.
Code where intent is irrelevant.
You mishandle something that's classified, whether you're an agent of North Korea or you're a cretin, it's a felony, Kurt.
Am I right?
Look, I don't have the statute in front of me, and I'm sensitive about that stuff.
I'm not going to speculate until I have it in front of me.
Pretend you're on MSNBC.
Pretend you're on CNN.
Just pretend you're on MSNBC.
Well, if I'm on CNN, Donald Trump made my garbage disposal break.
The thing is, with classified information, if we had a reasonable understanding of how we're going to deal with it, everybody would be treated the same.
But they're not.
So I don't feel really compelled morally to go nuts because it's one guy or not because it's another.
It's stupid and it's corrosive to our society.
One standard.
Tell me what it is.
Let's step beyond that for a second and put on our political spectacles.
You know, you're a flamethrower at Town Hall.
You've got to read his townhall.com columns.
You've got to get his new book, Inferno.
But I want the political analysis right now.
What the hell is going on?
Because, you know, he's still the Democrat president.
Three leaks or three announcements in 48 hours.
Are they maybe throwing Joe under the bus, Kurt?
Well, look, they may well be.
You know, January 20th, 2023 is coming up.
And, you know, one or two days after that, Kamala Harris can go two full terms.
Just saying.
Throwing that out there.
Look, you know, either somebody's trying to torpedo this guy.
Maybe it's Gavin Newsom.
Maybe it's the cunning Pete Buttigieg.
Or maybe they're trying to get ahead of the problem.
You know, that's why I think we're seeing a lot of this Hunter Biden stuff now, so that we don't see it down the road during the campaign, so they can go, well, it's old news.
It's been hearsed out.
Yeah, this was the interpretation of my producer, Mr. G. They want to make this old news by 2024.
He changed his mind this morning in the production meeting, saying three announcements in 48 hours, that's too much.
We shall see.
We're going to have Greg Jarrett analyze it in the second hour.
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Trying to get the story out and ahead of it, or do you think this is something darker?
I think they're trying to get ahead of it.
They know it was going to come out sometime.
They managed to hold it till after the election.
The one thing it does is I think it makes it very, very difficult, practically and politically, to indict Trump on this nonsense.
Oh, it collapses it, doesn't it?
I mean, it just collapses it.
I wouldn't put it completely behind him.
You've seen the narrative.
Oh, this is different because reasons.
And also, shut up, transphobe.
It's going to be much harder, though.
Yeah, look, it's always... and these things boomerang.
You know, you think you're smart by throwing out a norm, you think it's not going to come back at you, that you're going to get the short-term advantage, and then inevitably it sticks you.
Bingo.
And I don't know how it's going to bite them, but I know it's going to bite them.
It's going to bite them.
Thank you, dude.
That was superb.
Hey, thanks a lot.
Look forward to talking to you.
You too.
See you soon.
Bye.
Bye. Bye.
Third, hashtag Biden files number three, colon, what's going on?
Question mark.
Question mark.
Three announcements.
The only way it's two is if the undisclosed location is the garage, but nobody's clarified it.
But we're using three.
Are they throwing Joe, are they throwing Biden under the bus?
Foxnews.com is saying two, but the TV is saying three.
The Cairo still says three.
Yeah.
We're definitely not seeing the last of them.
That's for sure.
There's going to be more.
The longer response where he talks about the Corvette.
Um, that was the same thing they do, so there's a minute later and he, like, really stumbles in the speech.
Do you want that?
Yes, the sec- give me another cut.
Eric, get that other cut too.
Yeah, yeah.
And the way he ends it, you can tell he's, like, nervous and... Uh, is it available?
Go to, like, the fifth or sixth- it's the one that says 32 seconds, even though it's not.
Is it ready?
It's a minute 27.
Let me get it.
Is it ready?
It's not ready.
No, I gotta- I gotta get it.
Is it another minute 20, or is it- It's a minute 20 seconds long.
Geoff.
Yes.
Is it a completely new Minute 20?
No, it's got that first 30 seconds that we already played.
Can you cut it so it's just a second?
Yeah, let me do that then.
All right.
One minute.
He probably left some there, too.
Yeah.
That's good, what's the name?
DD1924, a regular in the chat.
All the content is about the office.
Thank you.
Thank you.
There's a point at which you really should shut up, okay?
I mean, nobody accused Corinne Jean-Pierre, or Corringe as she's known, of having any brain cells.
But literally 60 seconds ago, from the podium in the White House, she said, to justify the Biden Files fiasco, it was inadvertent.
Those classified documents were left in those locations inadvertently.
Corringe, read the law.
The Espionage Act says it doesn't matter.
Mishandling classified information willfully or inadvertently is a crime at the same level.
Intent is irrelevant, but you just keep on talking.
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Let's go to Philly.
Nancy, welcome.
Hi, Sebastian.
Thank you for that I love being a sexist.
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All right.
What's your question?
What's your comment, Nancy?
So when Biden got elected, I wondered when and how they were going to get rid of him.
And when he says he takes classified information seriously, of course, because it's a way for him to continue to milk money out of China.
Iran and other communist totalitarian dictatorships.
And I think they want to get rid of him now because the whole investigation into the laptop, which isn't just about Hunter Biden, will probably implicate a lot of people and people not even just on the Democrat side of the aisle.
So you really are convinced that they're trying to ditch Biden now?
I think it's a good possibility.
Yeah, I think you're right.
The jury is out.
We shall see.
Are they trying to get it out there two years before the election?
Is it, as Kurt said, time to get rid of him at the point at which Kamala can serve two consecutive terms and take over this presidency?
We shall see.
We'll keep you updated.
Thank you, Nancy.
Let's go to Derek Cleveland, line one.
Hey, thank you, Dr. G. Hey.
What stands out to me about listening to Biden's reaction to Peter Doocy is that it's out of character for him.
I'm used to him sounding, you know, angry and... Angry or arrogant, right?
Angry or arrogant or both.
Right, or the name-calling.
And he sounded more like he had something, like he sounded like a man who was maybe caught.
Let's actually play the later part, the new clip, which just confirms what you said.
Stay on the line.
Play that new Biden clip, Eric.
Seriously.
I also said we're cooperating fully and completely with the Justice Department's review.
As part of that process, my lawyers reviewed other places where documents from my time as vice president were stored, and they finished the review last night.
They discovered a small number of documents of classified markings and storage areas and file cabinets in my home and my personal library.
This was done in the case of the Biden-Penn Center.
The Department of Justice was immediately, as was done, the Department of Justice was immediately notified and the lawyers arranged for the Department of Justice to take possession of the document.
So, you're gonna see, we're gonna see all this unfold.
I'm confident.
Thank you very much.
That doesn't sound like a confident man, does it Derek?
Not at all.
But, you know, I always take classified documents very seriously, except for when I just, you know, leave them on the workbench in my garage.
And don't know that they're there!
And there you have it.
People are confused.
Is it two document findings?
Is it three?
You heard it right there as he was stumbling through that announcement.
We have the office, the empty office and the closet connected to Penn University.
We have the garage next to his Corvette.
And there he just divulged it, Derek.
In his private office as well.
Three!
Mar-a-Lago was one secure facility protected by the Secret Service.
This is, this is getting exciting.
Thank you, Derek.
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Well no, because somebody asked him.
It was an open press conference.
With Obrador.
And sock boy.
Oh yeah, sock boy.
I'll never forget the one of him wearing the stupid rubber duck socks.
He's such a prick.
Hi!
Hey!
How are you?
Good, good.
Am I joining you today as usual?
For, uh, War Room?
Um, I think so.
I actually hosted the show by myself this morning, because Steve was busy.
Right, so that's why I'm asking, because usually I'm on with Steve, uh, Thursday afternoons.
No, Steve is back.
Steve's back.
Oh, he's back?
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
All right, so what happened to the sentencing?
I don't know.
I just got out of another interview, so I haven't even looked.
How could you not know what happened to your boss?
That's very, very rude.
I never know.
You know, I didn't even know why I was hosting today.
Steve didn't even tell me.
He's always like, oh, I'm on assignment, so... But, you know, I'm busy writing stories.
Yeah, yeah, right, because you're always busy writing stories.
I'm glad you're wearing very, very, you know, because you're pretty short, right?
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Are you trying to intimidate everybody else who's short?
You know, they're not that high.
They're only, like, four inches.
For platforms?
This isn't the 1960s, my dear, OK?
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All right.
Not me.
All right, we're going to talk about your War Room article on pen, all right?
Sounds good.
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All right, I mixed things up there, right?
I've already done PhD, so now I need to do my pillow, right?
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Steve Bannon wasn't hosting the War Room this morning because he had to go to court for his sentencing for being in contempt of Nancy's congressional January 6th witch hunt.
He should have... Steve, you should have used the Biden response!
You know, the defense from the classified documents.
Sorry, I didn't mean it.
It was just an accident.
We will be speaking to Steve later today.
I'll be on his show, The War Room.
Don't miss it.
But in the meantime, let's go to the prettier host of that show, Natalie Winters, co-host of The War Room.
Welcome back to America First.
Happy New Year!
Hi, thank you so much for having me.
It's an honor to be back.
I just saw the Chiron.
She's not just co-host.
She's also executive editor.
Excuse me for the faux pas.
Natalie, we have an article with your name on it from the War Room.
We're going to post it right now.
Explain to us, if you will, a detail from the hashtag Biden files.
It seems to have been missed by all the other fake journalists, unlike you, who is a real journalist.
Who is Amy Gutmann, Natalie?
Sure, well, I too take offense when you call me a journalist, but putting that aside.
So Amy Gutmann is one of those names that you probably aren't familiar with, right?
She's one of these kind of DC bureaucrat types, but she's someone that you should get familiar with.
And why that is, is because she really plays a key role in this whole Penn-Biden Center classified document debacle.
So she was the president of University of Pennsylvania, held that position since 2004, held it during the opening of the Penn-Biden Center, held it all the way up until 2022 when she was confirmed as the ambassador to Germany.
She got this cushy gig despite even Politico saying that she had no formal experience, no professional experience in Germany.
In part, I think because of the events that went down at the Penn Biden Center.
So specifically, what is so interesting about Amy Gutman and her, I would say, I'd say appointment to this role is that she was identified as the key person within the Penn Biden Center within the University of Pennsylvania, who was actually responsible for stonewalling investigations into where these tens of millions of dollars that was coming in from China, who was actually responsible for stonewalling investigations into where these tens of millions of dollars
But really stonewalling where exactly that money was going.
So let's just stop here for a second because a naive question that I'm sure millions of people listening right now live are sharing with me or thinking about, How does a communist dictatorship that has Lao Gai labor camps and a one-party regime, how is that nation even permitted to make anonymous donations to any entity in the United States?
Well, that's the billion-dollar question, not just the million-dollar question, but they're allowed to do it because it's totally legal, because the people who are writing the regulations about financial disclosure, whether it's donations to academic institutions or think tanks, you name it, really academia more broadly, you don't have to disclose the size of the gift, who it's coming from,
Also, it's one of those laws, much like the Foreign Agent Registration Act, where it's very selectively enforced in the sense that You're probably not going to have the Biden DOJ, of course, the Biden regime, which is rife with people who have very compromising ties to the Chinese Communist Party, of which Hunter Biden is the poster child.
That DOJ is probably not likely to go after these Chinese Communist Party entities that are funneling money into these Ivy League universities.
I think it's sort of just an unspoken norm in these Ivy League universities in academia as someone who's tracked the way that Chinese Communist Party money flows.
They expect a very high return on investment.
Right.
The Chinese Communist Party is not a silent investor.
Oftentimes these organizations pump out Chinese propaganda in return.
So it really is a nefarious ecosystem.
And I think the Penn Biden center.
Sure.
Go ahead. - Oh, that's so strange.
This is the crux of the matter, and as somebody who's done more than any to do the real in-depth investigative research on China's nefarious influence in America, the only question that matters right now is, and maybe you can't answer this but maybe you have a sense of it, is Communist China
Donating tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars to organizations like Penn and Penn's Biden Institute to curry favor so that when a certain piece of legislation or some deal has to go through, the Democrats, the corrupt Republicans smooth it through?
Or do we have evidence or indications that They're actually buying American politicians and influence.
Is it greasing the wheels of Communist China's takeover?
Or is it even more blatant than that, Natalie?
Do you have a sense?
Well, I think it's much more blatant than that.
You know, one of the leading strategies that's, you know, replete throughout PLA military strategy is that the supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.
And of course, there's information warfare that goes on, but a lot of this has to do just with cold, hard cash.
And I'll provide some facts to back it up.
Again, it'll probably be a while before we actually get documents, you know, understand what exactly these classified documents were.
But it is certainly curious that starting in 2017, which is the year that the Penn Biden Center was in its kind of initial phases and getting ready to open in 2018, the amount of money that flowed in to Penn From again, these anonymous Chinese sources, sometimes you're talking donations as big as $14.5 million.
Well, the donations tripled once the Penn Biden Center opened.
So yeah, I can't give you a paper trail exactly, you know, itemized list by list, in part, thanks to the actions of Amy Gutmann, right, because she blocked an investigation into where these funds were going and who they were coming from.
But I think that right there is the telltale sign, right?
That's saying the quiet part She survived hosting Steve's show by herself this morning.
I'll be on with Steve this afternoon, but we need you back.
Can we get you back for an hour to talk about all of this stuff next week?
Of course, happily.
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Dumbest?
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This is about an hour and a half too late, too.
They were delaying it, delaying it.
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This is about an hour and a half late.
They were supposed to go to this at 2 o'clock.
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Like, I don't think, to a certain extent, I don't think Saki was dumb.
She was just- No, no, Saki wasn't dumb.
No, no.
She wasn't smart, but she wasn't dumb.
Right.
She was just arrogant.
Perino?
Is that her name?
Perino?
Not the sharpest tool in the shed.
What do you think, Geoff?
Dina Perino?
Yeah.
Not at all, no.
No, no, but I think- Dumbest?
Who's the dumbest?
Out of the ones like this one, by far.
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Well, that's where my second question comes in.
Did you hear any news that the National Archives recommended that he put an extra lock on his Corvette's glove compartment?
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The presser in the White House, Corinne Jean-Pierre, trying to explain why a third set of documents was discovered, classified documents, that were being kept in a garage.
Next to a Corvette, and then in a private library in Biden's home.
Oh, and before that, in a closet in an empty office, in a think tank associated with UPenn, the same UPenn that got 54, 52, 54, doesn't matter, I mean 2 million amongst friends, let's say 53, 53 million dollars from Communist China in anonymous donations.
Let's walk you through, because this story, I got a weird feeling, this is, My Spidey sense is tingling.
Something's going on here.
It's not clear exactly what, but this is not your average story of Democrat incompetence or Democrat arrogance.
So let's walk you through what happened.
Let's talk about the first discovery, the UPenn closet office discovery.
Question was asked during the Canada-Mexico-U.S.
summit meeting.
And this was Biden's response just a couple of days ago.
People know I take classified documents, classified information seriously.
When my lawyers were clearing out my office at the University of Pennsylvania, they set up an office for me, a secure office in the Capitol.
The four years after being vice president, I was a professor at Penn.
They found some documents in a box in a locked cabinet, or at least a closet.
And as soon as they did, they realized there were several classified documents in that box.
And they did what they should have done.
They immediately called the archives, immediately called the archives, turned them over to the archives, and I was briefed about this discovery and surprised to learn If there were any government records that were taken there to that office, but I don't know what's in the documents.
I've my lawyers have not suggested I ask what documents they were.
I've turned over the boxes.
They've turned over the boxes to the archives and we're cooperating fully cooperating fully with the review and which I hope will be finished soon and will be more detail at that time.
The first question now I forgot.
Still love that last bit.
Right, so let's just dissect that for a second.
First, he can't get the story straight in the first sentence.
The secure offices I had in the Capitol.
When you say the Capitol, Jeff, tell me, I'm an immigrant, maybe I'm... When you say, in the Capitol, what do most people who are into politics think he's saying?
The Capitol?
The Capitol building?
Yeah, don't they?
Absolutely.
Right?
Not in the Capitol, Biden.
They're in Washington, D.C.
in a private office, which is empty.
And then he says, in a locked cabinet or at least a closet.
Well, which is it?
A locked cabinet or a closet?
And then he says, he was surprised.
Surprised that... Well, hang on a second.
They're your documents from when you were vice president and your attorneys found them when they were clearing out your old office.
Let's drill down on that.
Your attorneys?
Who uses attorneys to clear an office?
You only use attorneys if there's a problem.
If there's a crime scene or potential crime or Or if you know that there are classified documents there, and you want witnesses who can immediately say, oh, oh, oh, that shouldn't be here, let's call the National Archives.
So why are your attorneys going to an empty office to clear out some boxes?
And then he says he was surprised.
Hang on a second.
Top secret SCI documents?
Relating to your time as Vice President and you're surprised?
Let me talk to you about, let me walk you through this from my perspective as somebody who still has a clearance.
I can read top secret documents.
Even SCI.
But I have to do it in a facility that is certified to do so.
That is secure.
If I have those documents, I can't take them away with me and put them in a box in my office?
They have to be kept in a facility that is the holder of my clearance or is otherwise certified to US government standards for the handling of classified information.
And if I took classified documents from the White House after I left I'd have to have the authority to do so.
And by the way, I wouldn't forget that I've taken them out of the building because I would be responsible for the security of those documents.
I would have to guarantee that if they're leaving the building in a secure pouch, I'm not going to say anything more than that.
If you're in the, you know, national security business, you know what I'm talking about.
And they would have to be transported from that secure facility, in that secured pouch, to another secure facility.
Not... put in my garage.
And this is where we get to the second cut.
Now, before we play that one, about the Corvette.
As one of our callers illustrated, this is pay dirt, guys.
The U Penn Institute, the Biden think tank, oh dear, that's ironic, was created in 2017.
Biden left the White House as vice president in January of 16.
So where were those documents for a year between him leaving the White House and the center being opened in DC?
Where were they?
Next to his Mustang?
He doesn't have a Mustang.
He's not cool.
I have a Mustang.
Play the next cut.
Mr. President, classified material.
Next year, Corvette.
What were you thinking?
I'm going to get a chance to speak on all this, God willing, soon.
But as I said earlier this week, people, and by the way, my Corvette's in a locked garage.
Okay?
So it's not like you're sitting out in the street.
Yes, as well as my Corvette.
But as I said earlier this week, people know I take classified documents and classified material seriously.
It's not like... Did you hear what he said?
It's not like they were out on the street.
Oh, well, that's a relief!
I mean, that would have been a problem.
At least they were in the garage with my Corvette.
A lot garage, don't you know?
That's how we keep classified documents, top-secret SCI documents.
But it continues.
Go ahead.
Seriously.
I also said we're cooperating fully and completely with the Justice Department's review.
As part of that process, my lawyers reviewed other places where documents from my time as Vice President were stored, and they finished the review last night.
They discovered a small number of documents of classified markings and storage areas and file cabinets in my home and my personal library.
This was done in the case of the Biden-Penn Center.
The Department of Justice was immediately, as was done, the Department of Justice was immediately notified and the lawyers arranged for the Department of Justice to take possession of the document.
So you're going to see, we're going to see all this unfold.
I'm confident.
Thank you.
Closet in an empty office in DC.
In his garage with his Corvette and in his private office in his home.
All right, guys, I need some input.
This is weird.
I'm not sure what's happening.
Alex, what do you think?
Weird?
Weird?
What do you mean disarm President Trump?
Weird?
But it also undermines any investigation of Mar-a-Lago if you're trying to make excuses for Biden.
Very weird.
Eric, weird, not weird?
Oh, very weird.
I think the most telling thing is that, especially in that last clip, he comes across as so nervous, like even more so than usual.
He doesn't know what the end result is.
Maybe he's probably thinking in the back of his senile old mind, oh, maybe they are trying to get rid of me at last.
Guy, weird, strange, not weird, not strange?
Yes, sir.
In a sense, I feel like it would be a huge surprise if I dig out Highly classified documents from my grandfather's garage, you know, 20 years later.
Yeah, you would be surprised.
Jeff, you had a theory about getting ahead of the 2024 election.
Where do you stand now, 24 hours later?
I'm not as confident with that just because of Biden's response.
I'll never see it.
But the only thing I'm going to bring up, though, if the Democrats wanted to push him out, if they're doing it this way, where he's going to have to leave office in disgrace, that's bad for the party.
When you would easily have the option to say that he's leaving for medical reasons.
No one on earth would question that.
That's the thing that doesn't make sense.
Interesting.
Which makes me think it could be even a third scenario.
Somebody who's got personal animus.
Maybe a Democrat who hates him.
Things are interesting again.
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Yes.
Oh, do we...
He has a new book.
Do we have his new book?
The Trial of the Century about the Scopes Monkey Trial.
Oh, cool.
getting it now.
He's on.
great greg Yeah, hey Seth, how are you?
Happy New Year!
You too.
Are you a busy chap today?
Yeah, a little busy.
Alright, we're going to have fun.
We'll be live in 90 seconds.
Is the Trial of the Century actually out yet or soon?
No, soon it comes out, but it's available for pre-order online.
Alright, when does it actually drop?
In, I think, three months.
Okay, good.
All right.
We'll have you on for a longer chat when the book actually drops.
That'd be great.
I'd appreciate it.
Awesome.
All right.
Stand by.
I think you know what we're talking about.
Oh, yeah.
All righty.
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Today would be a good day for Trump to return to Twitter.
Oh my god.
Hey, tweet that out.
Send it to me.
Tweet it out.
Come on, Colmpop.
Get busy.
Get busy.
Or he just holds a rally real soon.
He could riff on that for just hours.
Oh my gosh, yes.
Can you imagine if I did that in my car in my garage?
Yeah, but your Corvette is there, so that protects it.
No, no, come on.
But my Corvette is locked up there, Greg.
I mean, that makes it a skiff.
All right, stand by.
I'm going to use the second Biden cut again with Greg.
The new one?
Or cut two?
No, no, no, no, no.
Cut two.
Cut two.
Got it.
Yeah.
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That's my official account.
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We are delighted, we are honored to have him with us right now.
He is a good friend of the show, legal analyst, political commentator extraordinaire, Greg Jarrett.
Welcome back to America First and Happy New Year!
Yeah, you too, Sebastian.
Just been sitting around doing nothing.
Yeah, right.
I object to that statement, Your Honor.
We're going to talk about your new book in the next segment, super exciting, about to drop.
But first things first, I just can't get enough of it.
Play the cut from the man who sadly bears the rank, the status, the title, President of the United States.
Let me, uh, I'm going to get a chance to speak on all this, God willing, soon.
But as I said earlier this week, people, and by the way, my Corvette's in a locked garage, okay?
So it's not like you're sitting out in the street.
But at any rate, yes, as well as my Corvette.
But as I said earlier this week, People know I take classified documents and classified materials seriously.
That will go down in history as the Corvette defense.
God bless Steve Doocy.
Just that line at the beginning.
What were you thinking?
Greg, I presume the White House hasn't read, because I've been listening to Corinne Jean-Pierre, hasn't read the Espionage Act and they don't understand that intent is irrelevant when it comes to the mishandling of information.
How much of a big deal is all of this?
Oh, it's a huge deal.
It's a crime to remove and store classified documents in an unauthorized location.
Thus, Biden is more at risk of having committed a crime than Trump because, you know, Trump declassified his documents, he claims, and good luck to Merrick Garland proving otherwise, because the president has the authority to do it without telling anybody.
He doesn't have to remove the markings.
He doesn't have to sign any papers.
He can simply do it.
But Biden's defense seems to be that, you know, I have a Corvette.
And, you know, therefore it's a secure location, which, you know, I really couldn't stop laughing when I heard him say that.
I mean, that's really what he was saying, that, you know, I have a big time, expensive Corvette.
So, you know, it's just as secure as any classified top secret Documents that foreign adversaries would want to get their hands on.
You know what, I am pretty confident that foreign adversaries at the University of Pennsylvania got their hands on those classified documents there, unlike Mar-a-Lago secured by Secret Service.
You know, that university building where the Biden think tank is located, and there's an oxymoron.
Um, is guarded by a, you know, geriatric rent-a-cop snoozing on the job, and any... Greg, Greg, I object.
I object.
That rent-a-cop, he may... Any foreign intel agent could... Greg, he may have a Corvette.
That security guard may have a Corvette.
You know, but no, and think about the University of Pennsylvania was being funded Sixty-seven million dollars by China.
Anonymously.
Anonymously.
You know, the university gave China the keys to the campus.
And so, you know, you can bet that it was pretty easy to get into the office suite and pick the lock.
You know, see whatever classified documents there were.
Alright, I'm going to have to ask you, because you do both things at Fox.
You do the political analysis and the legal.
We'll save the political for the next segment, but let's speak on the legal and the judicial.
After these events, is it not reasonable to posit that the whole special counsel, the Jack Smith investigation of Mar-a-Lago has to, by dint of these new revelations, collapse?
Because as you said, President Trump at his secure facility with the Secret Service, he can declassify anything.
If they go after him, then they've got to lock up Biden.
It would be difficult to justify criminally charging one president, former president Donald Trump, while turning a blind eye to the other current president.
Legally, it would backfire.
Politically, it would be poisonous.
Look, Trump, if Garland is foolish enough to proceed against Trump, the former president could assert what's known as selective prosecution as an affirmative defense.
In other words, it's okay for Hillary to do it, Bill Clinton to do it, and it's okay for Joe Biden to do it, but it's not okay for Donald Trump to do it.
That's a legitimate defense.
So that's an existing technical defense, selective prosecution.
Yeah, selective prosecution.
Absolutely it is.
But, you know, the broader thing is that, you know, if these are not classified documents, it more or longer that they were in fact declassified, then the criminal charges that are threatened in the warrant are irrelevant, because It's simply a dispute over presidential papers.
It's governed exclusively by the Presidential Records Act, which is a civil act, not a criminal act.
Right.
Absolutely.
Which is very different from the Espionage Act.
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Smith or Jack?
- Yeah.
Yeah, it's Jack Smith.
He's the special counsel investigating Trump and it's Robert... What is it?
The new one?
Yeah, Robert Koo, I think he's his name.
Oh, yes, yes, yes.
I saw a photograph of his.
Yeah.
Yeah, he was.
He's a buddy of Rod Rosenstein.
Yeah, that's reason enough to be suspicious.
Yeah, quite.
I had run-ins with that guy.
I met him at DHS a few times when I was in the White House.
He is such a slimeball, that Rosenstein.
Rosenstein?
Yeah.
He's oligogenous.
He, like, drips sliminess.
He's a piece of work.
Yeah.
Claudia Tenney just sent me this.
Biden would have burnt the classified documents, but those electric stoves just don't get the job done.
That's great.
We should get Claudia back, Jeff.
Will you get Claudia back next week or tomorrow?
Oh, I need to send you the 2A guest for tomorrow, right?
I'm still waiting to hear back from Harmison first.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Did you text him or email him?
I texted him.
Okay.
So anything else special we have to say about this, or should we go straight to your book, Greg?
You know, I just think that— Oh, I have to ask you the political ramifications.
Yeah, yeah.
So we've done the legal.
I'm going to ask you a little bit of the political ramifications.
Is there anything else that... I think it's reprehensible that Biden waited for more than two months to disclose to the public what, you know, was learned on November 2nd.
And same with Merrick Garland.
Good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good.
But my impression is, just watching him operate and knowing who Lisa Monaco is, that DOJ isn't being run by Garland.
He's just a meat puppet and really it's Lisa that's running the show.
Yeah, I think that's probably true.
I mean, just look at the way he comports himself.
I mean, he's just, he's such a husk.
Well, you know, he was a federal judge.
And in my experiences, trying cases in front of federal judges, you know, they, they think they're God, you know, and really, yeah, I mean, you know, it's a whole different kind of personality than the normal type of person who runs just egos.
Yeah, huge egos.
Holier-than-thou and insufferable.
And that pretty much describes Merrick Garland.
But Garland, in my judgment, is just plain corrupt.
He's been running a protection racket for his boss, Joe Biden.
And, you know, he should have appointed a special counsel for the Hunter Biden matter.
I mean, you can't investigate your boss's son without there being a conflict of interest.
Right.
All right.
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We have the Russia hoax and a new book that I will keep you in suspenders suspense for a couple of minutes because first I have one last question on hashtag Biden files Greg Jarrett.
Political ramifications.
We are of two minds here at Team America First.
We're not sure.
Is this trying to get the story out, get in front of the story two years before the election?
Is that why they're doing this right now?
Or are they throwing Biden under the bus?
Do you have a sense?
Do you have a tingling either way in your spider senses as to what this is?
Well, the White House had to come clean.
Because with the aggressive reporting that's been taking place recently, with Republicans regaining the House of Representatives and voting in a new speaker over the weekend and poised to undertake nettlesome investigations, they knew this was going to come out.
It's reprehensible to me that Biden waited more than two months before finally telling the truth and disclosing this to the public, that he had his own classified records problem.
He did it, likely to help Democrats in the midterm elections.
And there's a pattern here.
He did it in the 2020 election.
The Biden White House and the FBI or the Biden campaign and the FBI pressured Social media platforms to censor and suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story.
And so, you know, the cover up is their middle name.
Yes, indeed.
All right.
You have ventured out onto new waters with your next book, The Trial of the Century, which is about the Scopes trial, the monkey trial.
Greg, tell us why you chose this topic.
Well, Clarence Darrow has always been my hero, the greatest trial lawyer who ever lived.
And he went against the establishment when states like Tennessee made it a crime to teach evolution in the classroom because it might conflict with the Bible.
He took the case for free.
The media all over the world converged.
On to this small town in Dayton, Tennessee.
It was the first trial ever broadcast live on radio.
No, I didn't know that.
Yeah, but most importantly, it set the stage for free speech rights in America that we're still debating about today.
Suppression of opinion and intellectual liberty and censorship.
And, you know, Darrell had the courage to fight for what is right.
And, you know, the New York Times at the time called it the greatest courtroom scene in Anglo-Saxon history when Darrow cross-examined the great William Jennings Bryan and absolutely destroyed him in front of an outdoor audience of thousands.
And again, this, in my mind, has always been the real trial of the century.
Wow, I had no idea it was broadcast on radio.
All the more reason to pre-order it right now.
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Thank you for joining us, and Happy New Year, Greg.
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Play me cut eleven.
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...after the fact that at the end of the day she was, as she described herself, pro-life and that she felt that it was important to vote for these measures despite their potentially politically damaging or politically unappealing appearance, if you will, for future votes.
Garrett, let me just interrupt and say that pro-life is a term that they may, that an entire group wants to use, but that is not an accurate description.
Wow.
That's pretty bad.
Wow.
Wow.
Who was that again?
Andrew Mitchell.
Oh, goodness gracious.
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We'll come in with that.
Cut 11.
No liner.
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Oh, play me the 10.
Cut 10 again.
One area where we have seen some bipartisanship this week is on the new committee that has been found focused on China and the United States' competition with China.
You actually voted against that committee even though a lot of Democrats voted for it.
Can you explain why you voted no?
I voted no because, again, it's another sham effort here.
It's really clear that this is just a committee that would further embolden anti-Asian rhetoric and hate and put lives at risk.
Thank you.
And that she felt that it was important to vote for these measures despite their potentially politically damaging or politically unappealing appearance, if you will, for future.
Garrett, let me just interrupt and say that pro-life is a term that they may, that an entire group wants to use, but that is not an accurate description.
Spoken like a true fascist, Andrea Mitchell.
She actually did that on live television, on MSNBC, telling one of her colleagues, a correspondent, standing in the Capitol, what do you mean pro-life?
You can't say pro-life.
They're not pro-life.
I will control your language, damn it!
Out of the closet, as a fascist.
But it's understandable.
I'll play it in a moment.
You've got to hear what Jerry Nadler said when he was voting with every other Democrat bar one to stop the bill that would protect children born alive after an abortion.
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If it's Thursday, Antoinette will call us.
Let's go to California, Line 1!
Hey, Dr. G. Dang, it's gorgeous here today.
And unfortunately, Biden has to ruin the damn Corvette.
It's gorgeous.
It's like a Formula One car.
Darn him.
I know.
I know.
It's not as good as a Mustang.
It's not as good as a Mustang.
But yeah, he's he's done a lot of damage to the Corvette brand in the last 24 hours.
Oh my God.
Listen, I want to thank the Congress people here.
Wagner from Missouri, Scalise from Louisiana, and Comack from Florida.
Thanks to those Congress people for doing their job.
And I don't understand the Born Alive Abortion Survivor Protection Act that the evil Democrats didn't want to support.
Alright, stop here, stop here.
I teased it up, stay on the line.
This is Jerry Nadler, the Wadler as I call him, saying why the Born Alive Act protecting those who survive an abortion is bad.
Cut six.
The problem with this bill is not that it makes anything That is not that it provides any new protection for infants.
The problem with this bill is that it endangers some infants by stating that that infant must immediately be brought to the hospital, where, depending on the circumstances, that may be the right thing to do for the health and survival of that infant, or it may not.
That is the problem with this bill.
It directs and mandates a certain medical care which may not be appropriate, which may be endanger the life of an infant in certain circumstances.
Did you hear that, Antoinette?
Taking an infant to a hospital will endanger it, unlike killing it.
The man is sick and he needs to be, I'm sorry, besides treason, he needs to be put to death.
That is harsh indeed.
What?
I'm over these Democrats.
They lie.
Nancy, the evil... Yeah, but lying in Congress isn't a crime.
You'd have to arrest all of them.
So why'd you get to kill him?
I'm not sure, Antoinette.
You've crossed the line here.
Justify it for me.
I'm sorry, the man has become, he's part of, was the part of the CIA and now the part of Congress and a few other things.
There's so many treasonous persons in our legislators group.
What the hell are they doing there?
Will people of the United States of America, will you wake up?
Well, that's one thing waking up, and that's why we're here every day.
But executing people, that requires a charge, an arrest, and a jury of his peers deciding that he's guilty.
Thank you, Antoinette.
Let's go to Mike in Springfield, PA.
Hey, Sebastian.
I love your show.
Thank you, buddy.
I just don't know if the Corvette is like Hasselhoff's kit car or Batman's rocket car that seals itself in a titanium shell.
Oh, you think he's got like a super special Superman kind of vehicle that protects classified documents, Mike?
Yes.
I don't know.
I mean, you know, it still doesn't make it a skiff.
I mean, those cars are cool.
The Trans Am, the jet-powered Batmobile.
But I'm not sure it still qualifies as a government-certified secure facility for intelligence documentation.
But it's a good question.
Thank you, Mike.
Richard, Pittsburgh, line three.
Hey, Dr. G. What an honor to talk to you.
Carry on.
I hate myself for thinking like a Democrat to come up with this thought, but this is how diabolical the Democrats really are.
They are going to get rid of President Biden for stealing secret documents.
Not stealing, but hiding secret documents.
If they can do that, that's a precedent that will give them the right to keep Donald Trump from ever running for president again because he Well, it won't.
It won't, actually, because as Vice President, he has no authority to declassify documents or to store them in his garage with the paint tins.
I mean, I understand what you're saying, Richard, but the law is clear.
The only person who can declassify documents at whim without a written Documentation is the president and Mar-a-Lago had a secure facility defended and protected by the Secret Service.
So, I understand where you're getting, where you're coming from.
And I do know that they are diabolical, they are truly evil.
But at the end of the day, that argument wouldn't hold water.
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The one that you read.
Yeah, said, should check in an ice cream parlor.
Biden may have left it there.
Yes.
Yes.
All right.
I played Mitchell.
How long is it?
Oh, good.
Yeah, come in with that.
Jeff, I presume that Trump cut is from a longer video he posted?
Yeah, it was like three or four minutes.
Okay.
Oh, it's so weird being a Wednesday with a – or wait, is today Wednesday or Thursday?
Thursday.
Oh, okay, sorry.
That's why it's weird, because it's not a Wednesday.
For a moment, I thought Jennifer Horne was supposed to be on today, then I'm like, wait a minute.
But she wasn't on yesterday either, was she?
No, she wasn't.
Oh, what happened there?
What's going on, Geoff?
She had a... speaking engagement.
Sure it wasn't the flooding that California's going through right now.
Some of those pictures are unreal, from areas that have never seen something like that before.
But she said, Antoinette said it was shiny, bright and shiny today, right?
I guess L.A.
LA is a little better off than in portions of the central coast, a little further north.
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Joe, Illinois, line four.
Dr. G, I hit my ear on the rail and the word on the street is that Dems do not want Biden They want Pretty Boy Gavin Nossum for their candidate in 2024.
What about Pretty Boy Pete Boot-Edge-Edge?
That's long gone.
Oh yeah?
Yeah.
So when you say you've got your ear on the rail, who is giving you this information and how trustworthy is it?
Well, it's the people I work with and my own family members, unfortunately.
And they really want Pretty Boy with the starched hair?
They want Gruesome Newsome, Pelosi's nephew?
The guy who goes to the French laundry and drops, you know, $3,000 on a bottle of red wine?
That's what they're telling me.
Why?
Why?
I guess it's all image.
I don't know.
My other point is that anytime you want to meet on the drag strip, I have a Mustang myself.
All right, what vintage?
Tell me, what kind of Mustang do you have, Joe?
It's a 71 Mach 1 with a 429 Cobra Jet.
Oh, you bastard.
Mint condition.
How dare you?
How dare you?
How long have you had it?
How long have you had it?
I've had it about 10 years.
Color?
It's black with pewter.
Black with pewter.
What are your rims?
What rims have you got?
The rims are, well, they're Mustang rims, but they're aftermarket.
They have the Cobra in the middle and it's kind of like the old... Now I'm really annoyed.
I'm really annoyed.
Sorry.
I'm going to have to get some rims.
That's the next purchase for my OG Mustang.
Still got the steel rims on it.
We're going to upgrade.
It's got to be period correct.
Don't worry, guys.
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We are beginning to wake up from a nightmare to a country we no longer recognize and from a coup we never knew.
Usually I hate playing clips of myself.
I hate it when other hosts do it.
It's weird.
It's just something that shouldn't be done.
But that's not me.
That's me reading somebody else's words earlier this week and it's a guest that I wish we could have on every single day.
I deem him to be the most strategic Public thinker of weight, of consequence in America today.
And his latest piece, which is titled The Coup We Never Knew, well basically I read it on air because it was that important.
But now we have him with us.
From the Hoover Institution, from Stanford University, the author of a veritable library of works on ancient history, strategy, domestic politics, anything with his name on the spine of the book is worth your time, Professor.
Victor Davis Hanson, welcome back to America First.
Thank you for having me, sir.
Now, I have some big questions to do with the so what of your latest piece, which was unusual in terms of style, because basically it's just a list of questions, a list of questions across a complete panoply of topics from natural gas to Lack of sovereignty and open borders.
From the point of view of the scribe of the Man of Letters, I'm just curious, and this is a peek into the sausage factory, if you will.
What made you write a piece purely positing... I mean, it works.
I read it aloud to my wife on a long car trip.
Then I read it to my three million listeners on the radio show.
Was there some trigger, something that made you say, OK, I'm just going to ask questions for a thousand words?
I wanted to capture the bewilderment that I had sensed across the country, and it was almost as if no one yet has explained the multiplicity of radical changes in American life or the effect that they've had on people, and the result is sort of a bewilderment.
We all in the abstract know how they happen, and we all know the effect and the future of their consequences, but The process, I think, is so bewildered, so I wanted to somehow find a rhetorical way of conveying that bewilderment to the reader.
I'll just bookend the article.
We're reposting it right now.
We posted it on Monday when I read it.
We're going to repost it on all our media platforms, social media platforms.
The full version is of course at American Greatness, Chris Buskirk's superb site, The Coup We Never Knew.
So the first question is, what happened to the U.S.
border?
Where did it go?
And then the last question, I think maybe one of the most powerful is, How did a virus cancel the Constitution?
And then you close the piece after this list of very, very important questions with the phrase, we are beginning to wake up from a nightmare to a country we no longer recognize and from a coup we never knew.
Now, when I was teaching, The thing I said to all of my officers on day one is the only question that really matters whether you're a brain surgeon or whether you're an 0605 at National Defense University is the so what question.
You can learn a lot of things, you can be studious, but what does it all mean in practice in real life?
So here's my question to you.
What's the next phase of this article?
The questions have been asked in their multiplicity You've used this very powerful phrase that became the title for the work, The Coup We Never Knew.
Where does this leave us?
You've put up the rhetorical question, what's this so what that comes next?
Are you working on a next piece or can I tease you out here?
I think the answer, it begs the question or begs the answer, I should say, is what are you going to do about it?
Right.
What are Americans going to do about it?
And the answer is, Most immediately, they need to do three things.
They need to increase the margin in the House, they need to take the Senate, and they need to win the presidency.
And then they have to get the people in power who will have sort of a revolutionary contract with America and push through border control, energy independence, debt reduction,
Jacksonian foreign policy, and probably have some federal oversight of this shocking lack of law enforcement, and then reform the FBI, the CIA, the DOJ, the IRS, the NIH, the CDC.
These bureaucracies have been weaponized.
Things like that, and hit the ground running.
But that requires political power.
The cultural and social end of it is people, I think, have already started to disengage.
I think people, if you ask them, what was the Grammy Awards the other night?
What about the Oscars?
Who's going to win the Tonys?
They don't know.
What do you think of the Super Bowl halftime?
I don't watch it anymore, they'll tell you.
How about the NBA?
I haven't watched it.
Are you going to try to get your kids into Stanford, Harvard?
No, I don't think so anymore.
I think they'll just be indoctrinated, it's too expensive, and they're woke, and they don't have a very good curriculum.
It's that kind of disengagement.
Not all of it's good, because we're surrendering these valuable institutions to the left, but it's kind of a retreat into a monastery of the mind that we're starting to see with people, culturally and socially, but they have to be engaged politically until we can get back these institutions.
But for now, People feel that they're on the ledger, they're on the negative side, so they don't want to participate in them or have anything to do with them.
Well, for all those things to happen, at least in the lower house, we'll talk about the chances.
We've had less than a week to witness what happens under new leadership, under Kevin McCarthy.
But I have to ask you, so many people, even on the right, said this is chaos.
Newt Gingrich said, although he walked it back 48 hours later, Why don't they just, you know, basically suck it up and vote for Kevin McCarthy?
And then he said, well, democracy is messy.
In comparison to other countries where they have a parliamentary tradition, like the UK, a little bit of a tussle for four days is no big deal.
Can I get your reaction to the election of the speaker?
I was asked that by Tucker on Fox News on, I think, day two, when I said, I think another 48 hours would be helpful, but after that it would be counterproductive, only because While they were hammering out an agenda and a protocol that was long overdue when it was messy, you looked at the other side and it was almost Stalinist.
It was 212 on every single vote.
There was not one defection for Jeffries.
When they have a defection on Ukraine, they squash it.
We're dealing with some of the most disciplined, hardcore cadres on the left.
This is not the old messy Democratic Party that was all over the map.
These people are hardcore leftists.
So when we're trying to deal with them, I like the idea that we're getting these issues out in front of the American people, we're arguing over them.
But my only point was after three or four days, I think it's time to put on your armor and face these people rather than look vulnerable because they know what they want from us.
And they're not kidding around.
They don't They have all control of all the institutions, and they have all the money in the country, and they're serious about a serious revolution that's right in our midst.
And unless we can get some discipline to fight it, we're going to be all over with.
So I think it was very salutary.
I'm very happy the way it worked out, because to my way of thinking, they got the necessary reforms in, and then they stopped the Civil War in time to get organized for the investigations to come, etc, etc.
And how significant was it, in your opinion, that it's clear President Trump stepped in at the end, helped broker the deal, and at 2.18 in the morning on Saturday, Kevin McCarthy on cable TV did a two-minute long thank you to President Trump.
How significant was that act?
That was very important for two reasons.
One, It reminded people that he still had clout and he was willing to use it for a practical, pragmatic goal.
I mean, he doesn't agree with Kevin McCarthy on everything, of course, but he saw that he had reached the point where you needed a Republican House to take charge, and that was good.
The other is that since the election, Trump has had a series of unenforced errors, I guess we could say, when he talked about the vote and changing the vote or So it was time for him to reassert a very sober, careful sign of his leadership.
Yunkin's name, all of these things were kind of funny, but they were unnecessary, and they heard him in the polls.
So it was time for him to reassert a very sober, careful sign of his leadership.
And if he can do that, and gain the reins of the party and have an agenda and then talk about his wonderful four years, I think he'll be in good shape.
But if But he's got to get disciplined and that was a good first start.
We're talking to the Hoover Institution's Professor Victor Davis Hanson.
The website is victorhanson.
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He is on Twitter at VD Hanson.
His books are The Dying Citizen and also The Case for Trump.
Co-host of the Scholars in Sense podcast with our other regular guests Conrad Black, Lord Black and Bill Bennett.
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That is the first speech of, I guess, substance by Hakeem Jeffries, who would have been the speaker if that vote had gone another way. - Okay.
Maturity over Mar-a-Lago?
Professor Hanson, number one, the speech was just churlish and sophomoric.
Hardly indicative of a great brain or a great speech writing team.
Please give us your reactions, but also to this question of the monolithic voting record for the Speaker's race with nary a dissension.
Is that monolithic nature of the Democrats today?
Is that really ideological and Stalinistic step with each other?
Or is it a function of fear or a combination of both?
Combination of both they don't have any they don't tolerate any dissent and remember they're fused with the media so The architects of this fusion insist on absolute political loyalty, and they have ways of punishing it.
If you wanted dissent from Nancy Pelosi in the past, then you were going to be hit with a Twitter barrage or Facebook barrage.
You were going to get your money cut off.
You might be primary, so you weren't going to do it.
And the same thing, from that speech, there will be talking points, and you will hear them on network news, PBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN.
So they've got a very tightly, they've got a Pravda-like megaphone, and then they've got this ideological straitjacket.
But as far as his speech, there were just a bunch of incoherent binaries.
And it was kind of like Jesse Jackson back in the 90s, kind of a hip thing.
But You know, this is a guy who always talks about election integrity, but on over 70 occasions claimed that the 2016 election, which we know now, both through the Mueller investigation and some of the inspector general's reports, was not rigged by the Russians and it was a fair election.
And yet he has denied the results and said that Donald Trump was an illegitimate president.
Not once, but again and again and again.
And, you know, I don't like guilt by association, but I remember that as a classics professor, I read and I wrote about Professor Jeffries, his uncle.
Yes.
And he was this Afro-centrist professor in New York that, you know, he made up entire mythologies that the Greeks were black or Socrates was black, etc., etc.
And he was very intolerant.
He went after Mary Lefkowitz and other classicists in various ways.
And I don't know to the degree that he supports his uncle's views or not, but I never bought into the George Will idea that he was this new generation of moderate politician.
He's not.
He's a Nancy Pelosi, but younger and more dynamic, probably.
So here I'd like to test a hypothesis of mine on you, Professor.
I look at people like that, and I look at that speech, I look at the Nancy Pelosi as was, I look at Chuck Schumer or even Ron Klein in the White House, and one thing that strikes me that whilst these are ideological, while these people hate America and walk in lockstep, I don't see a brain of significance amongst them.
You know, you don't have to agree with Axelrod or like him as a human being, but at least he was moderately intelligent.
Would you concur with me that what we have here is a peculiar admixture of arrogance, extremism, but also ignorance.
There's no significant brain here.
When people run clips of these people, I have a game I play sometimes with my wife.
John Brennan pops up on the screen and starts lecturing America, and we say, oh, lied two times under oath to the United States Congress.
James Clapper butts in as a pundit, oh, he lied under oath about the NSA spying.
And then Andrew McCabe will come in and say, oh, he lied four times under oath.
Or there'll be Chuck Schumer, and we say, oh, wow, he got at the doors of the Supreme Court and threatened justices by name and said, they had sowed the wind, the whirlwind was coming, and they will not know what hit them.
And of course, we had people in the months ensuing, marching on the private homes of all of conservative justice, in one case, an assassin was found.
And it's easy to do that.
So all of these people, it's funny, I know it sounds a little bit too corny or Complex, but they all practice the art of projection.
If you just say when you listen to these people that they are accusing people of doing what they have done or what they would like to do, you'll pretty much be correct.
What their venom is right now and why they're so hysterical about the McCarthy fight and the Republican House is that they are deeply afraid that they feel the Republicans might do what they would do If they had an eight seat or seven seat advantage.
In other words, they think, wow, if we got in power, we would tell all of these Republicans they can't serve on these committees.
We would tear up the State of the Union on national TV, which they did.
We would subpoena people and have criminal referrals if they didn't show up.
So that explains all the hysteria and anger.
They're just terrified that this kind of lackadaisical Sometimes disorganized Republican Party and political class might have the discipline and might have the intent to do what they would surely do, and that's what scares them.
Yeah, as my good friend and colleague here at Salem, Dennis Prager, says, whatever the left is accusing the right of, they are doing themselves.
Professor Hanson, does their lack of mental sophistication or intellect make them potentially even more dangerous?
I think so.
That's a very famous quote from Thucydides when he's talking about the civil unrest on the island, of course, Syra.
And he says that the blunter wits won because they're single-mindedly and they don't have any self-doubt or they don't try to think of counter arguments.
They're just intent.
And so somebody who is, I think, a very limited ability, a Chris Walwell or AOC, because they're just intent and they don't waver and they know exactly what they want.
Yeah, they make them very dangerous.
The blunter wits is a perfect...
Yeah, they can't be appealed to.
You can't argue logic or reason with them.
Ignorance mixed with certitude, perfectly described as the blunter wits of Thucydides.
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Let's drill down a little bit on news of the day, or at least of the last four or five weeks.
Hashtag Twitter files, Professor Hanson.
I was on a few Twitter spaces with Elon Musk himself.
Whatever his politics truly turn out to be, I have to say the idea that a man of his power and wealth would stay with an open chat room of 100,000 people, including people he's never heard of before, and take questions, including people he's never heard of before, and take questions, demonstrates an openness I haven't seen from another CEO or politician in a long, long time.
How significant do you see the revelations?
We don't have a smoking gun of the White House telling Twitter to do something, but the evidence about the FBI, DHS, collusion with Palo Alto is...
Is this a big deal politically and historically?
Yeah, it is.
And we wouldn't know any of it if it wasn't for Elon Musk, who will probably take a big hit for this, at least financially, because he bought a company that was a money losing company and was overpriced, but he did it.
Apparently, because he wanted to expose what was happening in American social media in Silicon Valley.
And remember that 1975 Church Committee, that was the heartthrob of the left.
And they said that the FBI and the CIA had systematically robbed us of our constitutional rights.
But one of the things that people forget was, Church uncovered that at that time, the CIA was working with news organizations.
To promulgate, direct, warp the news and suppress news they didn't like.
And people right now who are still active, like Carl Bernstein, were writing these Rolling Stone articles about, we've got to support church, we've got to have free expression.
You cannot have the government contracting out to private news organizations to evade or get by the First Amendment in their efforts to censor people.
That's exactly what's happened with Twitter.
And the very people who were on the left as so-called civil libertarians 50 years ago are now, I don't know what you call them, they're totalitarian.
They are angry about it.
They railed against the man and they have become the man.
Are you a fan of the ideas to revivify a new church committee?
Yeah, I am.
Notice what the left is doing.
They're not disagreeing with what happened.
They're saying, you people are un-American because you want to destroy these hallowed institutions.
And what we need to say is, we're trying to save them from yourselves.
Because we didn't make Andrew McCabe lie.
We didn't make James Comey say 245 times under oath he couldn't remember.
We're not Kevin Clinesmith that forged a document.
We didn't cut and paste this phony Steele dossier to fool a judge.
We weren't Robert Mueller who said he had no idea what the dossier or Fusion GPS was.
We didn't wipe clean phones under subpoena.
We didn't use James Baker to contract out and then to work for Twitter and to suppress free expression.
So they have done all this stuff.
And we're trying to save the FBI.
And they've destroyed it.
But they're going to call people on patriotic and say, oh, you conservatives, we thought you were law and order people.
Now you're destroying this holiday agency.
No, we're trying to liberate it from its Washington hierarchy that betrayed We betrayed the agency's trust and traditions.
And do you have hopes that the GOP without the Senate and the Executive can do something meaningful with a church-like committee for the next two years?
Well, I'm not sure about that because if they're going to have meaningful laws that come out of that, reform laws to reform the agency, they're going to have to be passed by the Senate and that Senate will not pass them.
And if they were passed, then Joe Biden would, of course, veto them and they would not have the votes.
If they didn't pass them, they surely couldn't override the veto.
But one thing they can do, and I think that's what they want, they want to express to the American people the urgency of the problem.
They want these people to get up and look the America in the eye and swear under oath when asked what they actually did, with the reminder to them that it was the Democrats who really put teeth into subpoenas and said they really matter and we need to start charging people with perjury who don't tell the truth.
And we'll see what their attitude is now when it's directed against witnesses that they find sympathetic.
But that's their great power, to run this investigation.
And they have the majority of the committee so they can call on the witnesses.
And I think that's why the Democrats are sort of terrified.
They know what they did, Seb, with the January 6th.
They really understood what they did.
And they're not guilty about it, they're just worried that they set a precedent that somebody might do to them what they did to the Republicans.
And it is a significant thing if we can get the information out.
It is, it's true.
At least the American people who are paying attention will know what really happened.
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So, Professor Hansen, I would like to submit some coursework to you for grading.
I would dearly hope to take one of your classes either at Hillsdale or somewhere else in the not-too-distant future if I could tear myself away from this putrid, rank, malodorous swamp.
But on my TV show on Newsmax, I did a monologue on Sunday where I said, look, I've worked in the White House.
I've lived in the swamp since 2008.
Here's one man's plan for defanging the deep state.
And I'd just like to run these propositions past you and get your take on them.
Number one, move U.S.
departments and agencies out of Washington D.C.
The permanent bureaucracy does not want to live in South Dakota or Wyoming and their power would be diminished and real patriots and Americans would volunteer from those states to work in them.
Identify, fire and charge the worst seditionists in the first 30 days of the administration.
Find those who have stolen funds, who have undermined the U.S.
Constitution, who have leaked top secret documents and charged them, let them be judged by a jury of their peers, to change the culture of those who think they decide how to, the country's direction and not the elected chief executive.
Number three, which is something I actually recommended to the White House in my first month there, is to have a roving team of policy enforcers who every Friday go to each cabinet member and say, Mr. Secretary, Madam Secretary, what have you done to further the interests of the man elected by the people?
And if the wrong answers are provided, the The teams can report to the president that that cabinet member is, how shall I say this, no longer needed.
And then lastly, as President Trump declared war from Mar-a-Lago about seven weeks ago, if we had term limits, as he suggested, and a lifetime ban on lobbying for members of the swamp, things would look a lot different.
Am I missing anything?
Is any of this pie in the sky?
We have to have a plan of action to drain the swamp, and I would dearly like to have your input.
Yeah, I agree with all of those.
I think we need to finish the wall first thing, and we have to have some kind of balanced budget protocol to enforce that.
And we've got to immediately start for our foreign policy and energy needs We need to start producing more natural gas and oil.
The thing that Trump found, I think, and some of your recommendations address it, he had three types of employees in high-ranking positions, many of them he inherited.
We had some that were masters of the bureaucracy and using those, often in the Pentagon, the FBI to thwart him, to deliberately ignore executive policies and undermine them.
And then he had people And those were like anonymous.
And then there were those who thought that they knew better than Trump.
And while he may or may not agree, they thought what Trump really meant is what they really wanted to do.
And then we had a few who, even when they didn't agree with Trump, they'd say, okay, I know the bureaucracy and I will try to use the tools of the bureaucracy to enhance your agenda.
But they weren't a minority.
And so that really hurt him.
That he had these people who were leaking and especially when things about the wall I mean they were constantly going to court against him they were When you had anonymous saying that he was deliberately among many others even though he wasn't as important as he said he was but they were actively trying to thwart the president or you had the whistleblower that wasn't even on a phone call and he was being fed the information by Lieutenant Colonel Vindman and all of that stuff and It was really hard for Trump to get through it.
And so, if he is the nominee or whoever's the nominee, they're going to have to face the fact that a real conservative will be immediately confronted by this administrative state that will try to destroy him by using these institutions that they know better than anybody, because they've been there for years.
Anthony Fauci is a good example.
He runs $50 billion in research.
I don't think Trump understood that if you're a scientist or a researcher at Harvard, Stanford, Duke, Texas, Nebraska, wherever you are, and you get on the wrong side of Anthony Fauci, he's going to shut down your lab.
That was where he got his power.
We never should have invested that much power in one person.
Yeah, a person who earns twice as much as the incumbent president and who was in his position for 37 years as director of that government institution.
Look, I find it very peculiar that people are already anointing The next candidate for president, you know, it's got to be Ron DeSantis or it's got to be President Trump or it's got to be, you know, Youngkin out of Virginia.
I want there to be a primary.
I think the primary is a very healthy process.
However, there's one aspect of my former boss which people seem to miss that I think is important and I'd love to have your reaction.
To fix the situation, the level of corruption in this city, to have those swinging changes that a president can bring with the executive that he controls, President Trump has one advantage over every other individual in America who could run for office, including DeSantis or Yankin or anybody else.
President Trump, per our constitution, can only serve four more years.
He cannot be re-elected if he becomes president, which means He pays no political penalty in terms of re-election if he does what I recommended or does what you recommended.
He can slash and burn the administrative state in ways that somebody like a DeSantis or a Yankin would not do if they wanted to be re-elected.
How significant is that truly sui generis nature that he has as a candidate?
It's an advantage and that's why I But notice that you won't see other candidates say, when Trump makes that argument, and you probably will, you won't see the other candidates say, well, I take a note that I'm only going to serve four years as well.
And they won't do that just because they'll say, well, Trump had four years and then he had four years, so he wants eight.
Because they understand the way our system is that the moment you come in, And you aren't going to run again, then the state and the news media and everybody feel that they can wait you out, so to speak.
Right.
And that you're a lame duck from the first day.
So Trump's going to have to use that in the way that you say is an advantage rather than a disadvantage.
And I think he can by saying that he's not worried about who he offends.
And to do the right thing, he's going to have to offend a lot of people.
And he doesn't want any job lobbying position.
He doesn't want any recompense from a corporation afterwards.
He's not a revolving door person.
His children are not going to be lobbyists.
All of that stuff would be—if he says that explicitly, I think it would really help him.
Because people are really tired of—whether it's the Biden family consortium or all of these retired generals that have been so vocal and so moralistic And yet we find their own Raytheon and General Dynamics and Lockheed and Northrop, the moment they leave these high positions in the Pentagon.
And that's what people don't like.
It's a very good metric to do the right thing.
The next president will have to annoy a lot of people.
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We have remained for most of our discussion, Professor, in the realm of strategy and politics and policy.
Why?
One thing that you touched upon that I think perhaps is as important as all of those is, of course, culture.
Do you have any thoughts as to, A, why it is that conservatives, the billionaires on the right, the Bernie Marcuses of the world and so forth, the Peter Thiels, haven't invested in culture and allowed the left to capture all of it, bar talk radio, and beyond that diagnosis, How do we remedy it?
Can we start building a conservative culture, or are we going to create potential echo chambers of conservatives a la Daily Wire, where it's known to be conservative content and conservatives join it, but it doesn't have a trickle-down effect.
So, diagnosis and then a remedy.
Well, I think part of the problem is that the left has taken institutions that conservatives help build, if not build entirely, and they have, kind of like a virus, substituted the DNA.
So there was a time when the New York Times was the paper of record.
There was a time when everybody loved NPR and PBS 40 or 50 years ago.
There was a time when Stanford, Yale, and Harvard were They did a lot of very important research for World War II, and I could go on with the corporate boardroom.
Disney's a good example, United Airlines.
But what's happened, the left has come in and taken over those institutions and claimed them as their own and used them as agents.
So the conservatives say, well, we have to build alternate institutions, but we're going to have to go from the ground up.
They've got trillions of dollars in labor and capital that they just They just hijacked.
And so are we going to go fight for Harvard University?
Are we going to fight for the Washington Post?
Are we going to try to do what they tried to do with CNN and get a new CEO or what Elon Musk did with Twitter?
Elon Musk basically said, I mean, he had for $44 million, he could have made it something like True Social, but he knew the brand was so well, and it was established, he was going to take it back.
And so there's these two different strategies, but I think a lot of very wealthy people say, well, I'm willing to give a million or two a year, but my God, Harvard's got $60 billion in endowment and Disney Corporation is, you know, a multi, multi hundred billion dollar corporation.
And so they don't know how they're kind of baffled how they would start from scratch.
So, and I don't know the answer either, but I don't want to cede these institutions over to these people who have grabbed them.
They're not theirs.
And there has to be a way.
I mean, I think we can have a two-pronged approach.
We can build more Hillsdales and model it after a Hillsdale College and encourage that.
And, but we also shouldn't give up on, you know, there's no reason that University of California, Berkeley or Princeton University has to be an agent of the left.
I like that double-pronged approach.
How much of a stumbling block, strategically and tactically, is that in the ideological battle royale during the Cold War, with certain exceptions domestically in terms of agents and useful idiots, the enemy to the US Constitution was external.
It could be pointed at.
The Soviet Union, the Warsaw Pact, Cuba, what have you.
How much of a taxonomic challenge is it that the threats to the U.S.
Constitution are now overwhelmingly domestic?
They are people who have U.S.
passports, U.S.
citizenship, protection of the U.S.
Constitution, who don't believe in the U.S.
Constitution or America.
Does that force us to have to come up with a new strategy to protect America?
Yeah, I think it does.
I think the American people We looked at politics, the yin and yang, that the Republicans were for law and order, and they were for structure and tradition and customs, and the left was for reform and innovation politically and experimentation, and this tension they sort of liked.
And each side kept the other honest.
But when you get the left, Getting into the Pentagon and the media left and getting into the FBI and the CIA.
It's very hard for conservatives to criticize those institutions because traditionally they had supported them.
And there's no media now at all that's going to support a church like that.
If Frank Church was alive again, the media would be hammering him as a McCarthyite.
So what's happened is when the left takes control, and given the media is the left, there is no watchdog.
There's no guardian to watch the guardians.
And It's very scary what's happened because these people are not... I mean, I grew up with Democrats.
These are not Democrats.
These people are hardcore Jacobin neo-socialists, or maybe worse.
And they're very regimented and disciplined.
And they don't take prisoners.
And we don't understand that at all.
And they're very careful about how they take over institutions.
I can see it at Stanford University, what's happened to that great university.
It's been completely taken over.
It's the most woke university in the world now.
And they did it systematically, insidiously, and they always said, oh, we don't want to take it over.
We're just old.
We believe in bipartisanship.
And that's how they operate.
I can testify to that as my son graduated from Stanford just last year, and at the graduation for the Classics Department, he was a double major with Classics and Human Biology, the head of the Classics Department started his graduation speech to those gathered, parents and students, with an apology for slavery, not in ancient Rome or Egypt, but in America, which I set the stage for the rest of the workery.
It's so great to have you back, Professor Hanson.
I can't close the conversation without getting your reaction.
The schadenfreude, perhaps.
President Trump, as president, can declassify whatever he wishes to declassify.
Your reaction to the fact that top-secret S.C.I.
compartmented information was found in a closet in the Biden think tank in Washington, D.C., in a think tank that receives money from anonymous Chinese donors, despite the fact that the former vice president has no right to declassified documents.
Source for the goose, professor?
Yeah, first thing I did was start reading the Polifact and Snopes and how all the great contortions they took Mentioning all the things that you just did and then suggesting that we have the wrong context.
They have to be seen in a proper context.
But yeah, it's pretty embarrassing.
And it happens at the same time that we haven't heard much news about nuclear secrets and nuclear codes and all of these things that were supposedly so damning.
So I think it's really going to hurt the special counsel.
That's going after Trump.
I don't think he's going to have a leg to stand on.
Funny how that story has disappeared.
About the nuclear secrets in the Espionage Act justifying the raid of a private residence protected by the Secret Service.
A little bit different from a random closet in an office space in Washington D.C.
It's been an absolute pleasure.
Thank you, Professor, for joining us.
Happy New Year.
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