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Jan. 9, 2023 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: The truth about Brazil

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	�� The historic chaos in the House of Representatives this past week embarrassed not only a party, but an entire nation.
	A small minority blocked the House from electing a leader or even swearing in its own members.
	Embarrassed the whole nation?
	Were you embarrassed?
	Did you even notice?
	I think not.
	That was Leslie Stahl speaking for the swamp, speaking for the self-anointed elite.
	Greetings, dear friends.
	Happy Monday.
	Welcome to America First and an amazing lineup we have for you.
	Events happening domestically and internationally.
	Geopolitics in Brazil.
	Politics at home.
	And we have somebody visited the border.
	Who was it?
	Oh, yes, the senile old man in the White House went to visit.
	President Trump's beautiful border wall, but just for a few minutes and then he ran away.
	What is a real embarrassment to the United States?
	I don't do this often.
	I only do it when it's really important.
	Oh, by the way, breaking news, breaking news.
	DeMar Hamlin has been released from hospital and has returned to Buffalo.
	So that is some good news, at least to start the week.
	I don't like to read things on air, but when they're really that good, you just have to.
	It's a tribute to their authors, and we have booked him for Wednesday.
	He is perhaps the greatest mind in America today, especially when it comes to politics and to strategy.
	He is Victor Davis Hanson, and at American Greatness, our buddy Chris Buskirk's website, He wrote a piece that is just a list of questions and I'd like to share them with you and it closes with this phrase that is the title of the piece as well.
	The coup we never knew.
	Did someone or something seize control of the United States?
	What happened to the U.S.
	border?
	Where did it go?
	Who erased it?
	Why and how did 5 million people enter our country illegally?
	Did Congress secretly repeal our immigration laws?
	Did Joe Biden issue an executive order allowing foreign nationals to walk across the border and reside in the United States as they pleased?
	Since when did money not have to be paid back in America?
	Who insisted that the more dollars the federal government printed, the more prosperity would follow?
	When did America embrace zero interest?
	Why do we believe $30 trillion in debt is no big deal?
	When did clean, burning, cheap, and abundant natural gas become the equivalent to dirty coal?
	How did prized natural gas that had granted America's wishes of energy self-sufficiency, reduced pollution, and inexpensive electricity become almost overnight a pariah fuel whose extraction was a war against nature?
	Was it not against federal law to swarm the homes of Supreme Court justices to picket and to intimidate their households in efforts to affect their rulings?
	How then, with impunity, did bullies surround the homes of Justices Brett Kavanaugh, Samuel Alito, Amy Coney Barrett, Neil Gorsuch, John Roberts, and Clarence Thomas, furious over a court decision on abortion?
	How did we wake up one morning to new customs of impeaching a president over a phone call?
	Of the Speaker of the House ripping up the State of the Union address on national television live?
	When did we assume that the FBI had the right to subvert the campaign of a candidate it disliked?
	Was it suddenly legal?
	For one presidential candidate to hire a foreign ex-spy to subvert the campaign of her rival?
	Was some state or federal law passed that allowed biological males to compete in female sports?
	Did Congress enact such a law?
	When did the government pass a bill depriving Americans of their freedom during a pandemic?
	In America, can health officials simply cancel rental contracts or declare loan payments in suspension?
	Since when did the people decide that 70% of voters would not cast their ballots on election day?
	Was this revolutionary change the subject of a national debate, a heated congressional session, or the votes of dozens of state legislatures?
	What happened to election night returns?
	When did the nation abruptly decide that theft is not a crime and assault not a felony?
	How can thieves walk out with bags of stolen goods without the wrath of angry shoppers, much less the fear of the law?
	What happened to the once-trusted FBI?
	Why, almost overnight, did its directors decide to mislead Congress, to deceive judges with concocted tales from fake dossiers with doctored writs?
	Did Congress pass a law that our federal leaders in the FBI or CIA could lie with impunity under oath?
	Who redefined our military and with whose consent?
	Who proclaimed that our Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff could call his Chinese Communist counterpart to warn him that America's president was supposedly unstable.
	Was it always true that retired generals routinely libel their commander-in-chief as a neo-Nazi, a Mussolini, an adherent of the tools of Auschwitz?
	Were Americans ever asked whether their universities could discriminate against their sons and daughters based upon their race?
	How did it become physically dangerous to speak the truth on a campus?
	Whose idea was it to reboot racial segregation and bias as theme houses, safe spaces, and diversity?
	How did that happen in America?
	How did a virus cancel the Constitution?
	Did the lockdowns rob us of our sanity?
	Or was it the woke hysteria that ignited our collective madness?
	We are beginning to wake up from a nightmare to a country we no longer recognize and from a coup we never knew.
	That, my friends, is why Victor Davis Hanson is perhaps the greatest mind we have alive today in America, speaking about America, about politics, and about the future of our Republic.
	In the break, I'll post that article on all of our social media platforms.
	Read it.
	Internalize it.
	Share it.
	Because there is no better explication I've read in the last six years of what's happened to this, the greatest nation on God's green earth.
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	Mark, you're back up.
	Thank you.
	I started talking to Kevin McCarthy.
	And I went and met with him, and got to know him better, and got to understand where he sees the conference going, what he sees our agenda, and what we should do.
	And that's why I came around a lot sooner than 20 of my Freedom Caucus colleagues.
	But listen, here's the great news.
	I'm glad they came around this past week.
	So what you saw them do, learn to trust them and have faith in the plan going forward, I was able to do that over the past year.
	But I hope more of my colleagues do that.
	They didn't learn to trust him, Marjorie!
	They put him on a leash!
	What are you talking about?
	Marjorie Taylor Greene trying to justify her crossing the aisle to support Kevin McCarthy and she blew up my phone yesterday.
	I was trying to go to church in the morning and then Marjorie got very angry at me for telling the truth about her.
	I might Tell you a little bit about that conversation later.
	We'll see what my producer, Jeff, has to say.
	But tell us what you think about the news of the weekend.
	The phone number here is 833-33-GORKA.
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	dot com that's 864-644-1900 myphdweightloss.com if i could do it anyone can all right so as jeff has commented the twitter spaces platform or app is very bad for my sleep because at two in the morning somebody will say get on this conversation now - No.
	And I do.
	But over the weekend I was so glad that I did tune in to one because I could just take a back seat while the leftists, the anarchists, were crushed relentlessly again and again by a great patriot, a great fighter for the truth.
	And he's going to explain to us what's really going on in Brazil.
	Matthew Tirmand, welcome to America First.
	Great to be with you, Seb.
	We've been friends a long time, and I appreciate everything you do, and we see things very similarly, especially in the fight against global communism.
	We do indeed.
	I don't know what to call you, because I just love the first thing on your Twitter bio, which is, New York City public school survivor.
	What else should we say about you?
	Independent investigative journalist, dude who hates fraud.
	I hate communists, whether they're, you know, I've got a German MEP I'm blowing up.
	He's on the right, but he's on CCP payroll, so you know what?
	Hey, Media Matters, Matthew meant that metaphorically before you get your knickers in a twist.
	Follow him right now, it's Matthew Tyrmand, that's T-Y-R-M-A-N-D.
	He knows about communism, his family suffered under it.
	So, for those who I don't know anything about Brazil, Bolsonaro or Lula, but I understand that MAGA, that the new populism is an international phenomenon from Nigel Farage and Brexit to Brazil and President Trump.
	Will you explain to us, will you tell our three million listeners, Matthew, what really is happening right now in that populist country?
	Certainly.
	So as I wrote going into this election cycle, the first round of the election was October 2nd, that Brazil is the most important electoral battleground in 2022 against global communism because in many levels it's a proxy for China's total entry and control of Latin America and thus having a strong bulwark in our hemisphere.
	Who was Lula's partner?
	Say that name again.
	Fidel Castro.
	Forum, very important history, in 1990 when the Soviet Union was failing, Lula da Silva, who has just been quote-unquote re-elected president of Brazil, and Fidel Castro, his communist partner, founded the Sao Paulo Forum in Brazil.
	Hang on, can you just stop there?
	Can you just reiterate, who was Lula's partner?
	Say that name again.
	Fidel Castro.
	Thank you.
	The strongest leader in this hemisphere and the great proxy of the Soviet Union in the fight for workers of the world unite in a global Marxist hegemonic political takeover.
	And they formed this specifically because they knew the Soviet Union funding into Cuba was going to dry up.
	They'd have to do it themselves.
	And so Fidel partnered with Lula to start in Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Mexico.
	Mexico, and they have incubated every Marxist leader in Central Latin America.
	And they have incubated every Marxist leader in Central Latin America.
	I named some of the countries.
	I named some of the countries.
	You obviously have Chavez and Maduro.
	You obviously have Chavez and Maduro.
	Lula's the father of Chavismo.
	Lula is the father of Chavez.
	He was the mentor of Chavez and Maduro, Morales in Bolivia, Ortega, Kirchner and Fernandez in Argentina.
	He was the mentor of Chavez and Maduro, Morales in Bolivia, Ortega, Kirchner and Fernandez in Argentina.
	More recently, two good bulwarks for years, Chile and Colombia, were not totally controlled by the communists, but Petro in Colombia and Boric, two young, Petro was a narco-tropicante guerrilla like FARC in Colombia, also a Marxist politico from the Petro was a narco-tropicante guerrilla like FARC in Colombia, also a Marxist politico from the Forum Sao Paulo, and then Chile in Boric, a Marxist student leader
	Both elections obviously very questionable in their veracity and their purity and in their lack of transparency.
	And they are taking over South America and bringing Chinese-led global communism into our hemisphere in a big, big way.
	And we should be very, very, very worried and vigilant.
	And it's very, very scary what happened in Brazil, because their constitution is being eviscerated.
	That's why you're seeing these protests in the street.
	We're talking not like tens of thousands, we're talking millions.
	These are the largest manifestations of human protest in any constitutional republic, I think, in human history, on a per capita level, on a nominal level.
	It is overwhelming.
	And of course, the revolution would not be televised.
	Nobody in the global mainstream press covered any of it until the certification And Lula and his cronies sent in some Antifa types to set some buses on fire and say, hey look, Bolsonaro supporters did this.
	And by the way, this is not about Bolsonaro.
	This is about the Brazilian constitution, their constitutional republic, their sovereignty, and rule of law.
	They've had a cronied Supreme Court that has eviscerated the constitution, let Lula out of prison.
	He was sentenced to 12 years in prison.
	They let him out 580- He was convicted three times, correct Matthew?
	Correct.
	19 judges, 12 charges, three separate convictions, unanimous among the three tribunals comprising these 19 judges.
	And these are Bolsonaro appointees.
	These predate Bolsonaro.
	They convicted him.
	Nobody in the country doubted that.
	Hey, on the Twitter space that you and I were talking about earlier, I even had a leftist admit that, oh yeah, of course Lula was guilty of public corruption.
	So I timestamped that and I've been tweeting at her vociferously.
	These people are engaged in a wholesale dishonest takeover.
	And by the way, Brazil is a God-fearing, heavily Catholic, heavily evangelical country.
	These people are godly, these protests have been prayerful, and they are being run through the mud in the international media, obviously.
	They're trying to create this false correlation with Jan 6.
	They're suggesting that Steve Bannon and Donald Trump and myself and Jason Miller, and now that we did this interview, Seb, you'll be included in the list.
	We coordinated the coup because we're a bunch of evil right-wing fascist fanatics.
	It's funny because Mool in his press conference last night called the protesters.
	They said, fascist, stylist, thugs.
	And then he stopped himself and he said, oh, you know what?
	Just fascist, thugs.
	Stalin's the model.
	I am honored to be counted amongst those who hate communism.
	That was far too short.
	We have to get you back for a longer discussion.
	In the meantime, you have to follow this man.
	I've just retweeted his speech from CPAC Budapest.
	It's Matthew Termander on Twitter.
	That's T-Y-R-M-A-N-D.
	Keep doing what you do and I'll see you on Twitter spaces soon.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First.
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	back with your calls Yep.
	Can't believe they had their own shaman in Brazil, that's amazing.
	I think he actually looks kinda cooler than the one we had.
	He's a little bit more, um... Buff.
	You know, yeah, he's also got his act together a little bit better.
	Oh, man.
	Want a title for that one?
	Something about that very end there where he said, oh, you're going to be blamed for it.
	Like, am I responsible for what happened in Brazil?
	Or something like that?
	Just what's really happening in Brazil.
	What's really happening in Brazil.
	OK.
	And also the Buskirk one.
	I thought we made a title.
	No, we haven't yet.
	I suggested Constantinople.
	I thought we said something else.
	Maybe just the title of his book?
	No, no, no, no.
	And Patriot Mobile here?
	Can we trust Kevin McCarthy?
	Alrighty.
	So this is C you Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Popcorn can make you cough.
	Very true.
	Two and a half minutes.
	Popcorn and rice.
	Ah, rice.
	Interesting.
	This part 2 is when you ate it like a while ago and then it just suddenly comes back at the worst possible time.
	Want to come in with anything?
	Yeah.
	Cut one with the president.
	Cut one, the president.
	Actually, show me cut ten.
	Cut ten.
	You know, we used to talk about, and many folks still imagine this, and perhaps it's true to some extent, the U.S.
	exports democracy.
	But as you watch this, and how it was seeded by the losing candidate in that election who had a lot of rapport, one might say, with Donald Trump, is election denialism a new U.S.
	export?
	Still coming with cut one.
	No, come in with that.
	It's the new CNN, remember?
	They're gonna be in the middle now.
	Walsh looks so happy.
	Coming in with cut 10, no liner.
	So we spent more time at the border last year than...
	Oh!
	Jeff always comes up with these zingers, man.
	That's good.
	And we have a real job.
	30 seconds. 30
	seconds.
	You know, we used to talk about, and many folks still imagine this, and perhaps it's true to some extent, the U.S. economy.
	exports democracy.
	But as you watch this, and how it was seeded by the losing candidate in that election who had a lot of rapport, one might say, with Donald Trump, is election denialism a new U.S.
	export?
	Well, if it is, Jim Schudo, it's because the left has been pumping it out for you.
	They started it with Al Gore.
	That was a while ago, wasn't it?
	And then every election since then, the Democrats lost.
	Hey, Jeff, who is that guy in the background, that former radio host?
	What's his name?
	Joe Walsh.
	Joe Walsh.
	He looks very uncomfortable.
	Is he the best that CNN could... That's the guy who called Obama a Muslim.
	Yeah, but he's also a former presidential candidate.
	Remember he was going to beat Trump for the primary?
	Oh, yeah.
	Like Michael Avenatti, right?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I never understand when you go online and you go to social media and you see people put former congressional candidate, former senator.
	Why would you put that on your bio, Jeff?
	I don't get that.
	I know there's always like the people, oh, I ran against Pelosi.
	It's like, who cares?
	You got crushed.
	It's like, you know, former loser.
	I mean, you're probably still a loser if you're putting in your bio.
	All right, I'll still have to try and work that.
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	It's been too long.
	Hey, buddy.
	Dr. G, happy New Year.
	Hope this is your best one till the next one.
	Thank you kindly.
	What brings you to our humble shores today?
	So many things, so little.
	Quickly, quickly.
	They said about election denialism.
	Only fraudulent elections.
	Those are the only ones we deny.
	But you had a gentleman the other week, last week I think, about immigration and you kind of hedged and hemmed and hawed when you asked him about should we Try to get rid of all the illegals.
	And you kind of, well, if we, you know, and it's like, yes, the answer is yes.
	We should have zero tolerance for illegal immigration.
	We should expand legal immigration under Mr. Trump's guidelines.
	But, you know, the whole thing is just the will to do it.
	It won't get, we won't get rid of them overnight, but it won't take 40, 50 years to get rid of them because that's how long it took them to get here.
	My poor state, California, our only problem is we have a population of 40 million, according to Xavier Baccaria, as Mr. Biden calls him.
	We have 10 million.
	That's his words.
	We can't put illegal on the census because we have 10 million.
	They need services too.
	Yeah, right.
	So, bottom line.
	Doctor, putting a man on the moon, like splitting the atom, all it takes is the will to do it.
	You're absolutely right.
	I was surprised when Todd Bensman said that, Don.
	I think he had some issues, not with the ethics of it, but with the practicality of it.
	But you're right.
	If we can put 12 men on the moon, we can also get rid of the illegal aliens in our country.
	Nicely put, Don.
	Happy New Year to you.
	Let's go to Judy in Brooklyn.
	Hey, Judy.
	Good afternoon, sir.
	Greetings.
	Greetings!
	Listen, first of all, Biden is giving out free chocolate ice cream to all the illegals.
	And not for me and not for you, though.
	Okay?
	But is it low-fat?
	It doesn't make a difference.
	It's chocolate ice cream.
	He's in love with chocolate ice cream.
	He's giving out free to all the illegals.
	That's why he went to the border, just to give up.
	To be the nice Uncle Joe, you know?
	He's wonderful.
	Oh, he's such a nice chap, isn't he?
	And his son, Hunter, such nice people.
	Oh, sure.
	I don't care about Hunter.
	I care about him.
	I want to get him.
	Never mind Hunter.
	He's just like the guy, the cover-up, whatever.
	It's Biden.
	It's Joe.
	He's the worst of the lot.
	And we're the big guy!
	The big guy!
	The big guy!
	Exactly, the big guy.
	You know, Dr. Gorka, I told Jeff, because I was listening to you, and this is very simply, if Trump endorsed Kevin McCarthy, Then I trust Trump.
	Do you understand?
	If he endorsed him, then I have to trust him with his endorsement.
	But I have to say something else.
	You remember this woman?
	You've got, you've got 20 seconds.
	Quick.
	Okay.
	Cassandra something.
	She's the one that lied about President Trump reaching over.
	Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	The 24 year old who's a senior staffer.
	Yeah.
	He worked for Kevin McCarthy.
	Guess what?
	That's a red flag for me.
	I don't know.
	I don't, I don't know why, but like, That bothers me.
	But if Trump trusts him, I trust him.
	And by the way, Obama loves Lula from Brazil, whatever his name is.
	Lula, he does indeed, and that tells you everything you need to know.
	Thank you, Judy.
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	Done.
	And then this, you should come.
	Hey, buddy.
	How are you?
	Good, good.
	Happy Monday.
	Happy Monday to you.
	So, what do you want to cover today?
	Well, the last thing you sent me was the Capitol Police boss.
	Tell me if there's something else we should talk about.
	Yeah, that's really good.
	And when you go through the transcripts, which I've been going through, and I'll do something in the next couple of days at the January 6th committee, you really get a sense of how big an intelligence failure, how big a preventable attack January 6th was.
	Wow.
	Okay, perfect.
	You're starting to see the mainstream media catch up to this.
	It's very important.
	NBC, Washington Post, New York Times are finally, belatedly, two years later, catching up.
	So that could be fun.
	The mainstream media is moving on this.
	Love it.
	All right.
	I'm just going to tweet it out right now, and then we'll talk about it.
	Cool, that sounds great.
	And then we should probably talk about the Church Committee and the Holman Rule, which were two ideas that kind of were born inside just the news shows last fall.
	What's the second one?
	What's the second one?
	The Church Committee.
	No, no, the third one, the Rule.
	The Holman Rule.
	The Holman Rule is a Civil War era rule that says that you can, with a simple majority of Congress, you can defund any bureaucrat, agency, or program that doesn't comply with Congress's wish.
	And they've resurrected it from the Civil War.
	It started with a conversation with me and Andy Biggs, and it's I like that.
	Alright, let's talk about the police boss quickly and then let's move to those two things from the show.
	Outstanding.
	I'm looking forward to it.
	Alright, cool.
	I just tweeted it.
	We can refer to the tweet.
	I saw Tom Fitton tweet about that, like, the house can now fire, like, any federal employee, and I'm like, that, if true, that's huge.
	That's huge.
	Yeah, and it literally started with this offhand conversation that Andy Biggs and I had.
	It's crazy.
	Wow.
	One minute.
	All right, 60 seconds.
	Thanks, guys.
	Um, what have we got here?
	No, we're good.
	I'm in with two.
	Ooh.
	That fits what John was saying.
	Thank you.
	So you have no intention of resigning?
	I do not.
	I've got a lot of work to do, and we're gonna do it.
	Are you prepared for the investigations?
	I am.
	I will be, and I'll continue to do my work throughout them.
	I continue to do my work, which is what Alejandro Mayorkas.
	It's to allow millions of illegals into this country.
	He shouldn't be investigated.
	He should be charged with aiding and abetting the cartels in Mexico.
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	Good to be with you, Seb.
	I got six of those pillows.
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	All right.
	So much to discuss about things that came up on your show that are super exciting.
	But first, you're one of these strange journalists that actually reads transcripts and actually reads the material that's coming out of Congress.
	Tell us about this recent article.
	It's on My Truth Social.
	I just posted it on Twitter about the chief police officer on January the 6th, John.
	So for six months, as you know, because I've been on your show and you've been kind enough to focus on this, I've been going through Capitol Police documents I got and showed that there were these enormous warnings that were ignored, that they didn't put a security plan, even though they kind of knew everything was going to happen, that this was an intelligence failure and likely, according to the experts I interviewed, a preventable attack.
	And last week I had the chance to sit down with Stephen Son, the Capitol Police Chief Who was in charge that day on January 6th, and he confirmed everything in those documents.
	He said, there was intelligence coming in.
	They didn't give it to me.
	I, the Capitol Chief Police boss, didn't have it.
	And as a result, we had an intelligence failure that easily could have prevented this attack if we had done the right thing.
	He puts blame on a lot of different places.
	The FBI, the Homeland Security Department, his own intelligence division, not bringing things up to him that would be there.
	And then he focuses on one thing that I have been focused on for a while.
	The media bought this hook, line, and sinker.
	February 2021, Nancy Pelosi looked at the camera and said, I have no role over Capitol Security.
	Of course, that's anyone who knows.
	She's the boss.
	They answer to her, John.
	They do.
	Well, the police chief confirmed that.
	He said, I sent information up to Nancy Pelosi, including my request to have National Guard in advance of January 6th.
	And it came back from her, you can't have it.
	We don't like the optics.
	We don't like the look of National Police.
	So he also confirmed that fact in this really amazing interview.
	And now, if you go back and start taking a look at some of the transcripts that the January 6th committee put out, though they didn't focus on this a lot, you see all sorts of red flashing signs That the intelligence warning what was going to happen on January 6th was known since mid-December.
	December 21st is the date I've been using for the documents I got, and that it was a complete intelligence failure.
	Like 9-11, obviously much more consequential 9-11, but the same intelligence failure.
	Bureaucracy.
	So here's the big question before we move on to your other topic.
	Is it ranking competence or is it something more nefarious, John?
	What do you think?
	I think it's a combination of two things.
	I think there's some incompetence involved, people not following up.
	And I think a second part of it is there's a little bit of Trump derangement syndrome.
	They kind of knew something bad was going to happen.
	They didn't want to be like Donald Trump and deploy the National Guard like Donald Trump did during the summer 2020 riots.
	So they were so obsessed to be different by than Donald Trump that they blew a security opportunity.
	They use optics, which is not a security term, to make a decision instead of actually taking the intelligence assessment and doing the right thing.
	Combination of two things Very consequential.
	But the idea that this was an unavoidable attack has now been debunked.
	Yeah, that's such a good way of putting it.
	Optics is not a national security category.
	We're talking to John Solomon.
	You've got to just go to justthenews.com.
	You've got to bookmark it.
	You've got to follow him at jsolomonreports.
	Talk to us about this interview you had with Andy Biggs on, now that we have a speaker, now that we have a new Congress sworn in, the ideas for a new church committee, and then this fascinating rule you shared with us, the Holman Rule.
	Give us some details about that.
	So last fall, in early September, I had a chance to interview two really smart people.
	Andy Biggs, a congressman from Arizona.
	He and I started talking about this Civil War era rule, known as the Holman Rule, which allowed Congress, a century and a half ago, any program, federal bureaucrat, or agency that doesn't comply with the wish of Congress, simple majority vote, you can defund them.
	Defund the bureaucrats.
	We started talking about it, everyone said it, it kept coming up on my shows, and all of a sudden, it made its way into the rules that Kevin McCarthy agreed to, and Kevin McCarthy has signed off on the resurrection of the 160-year-old Holman rule.
	Second thing, church committee.
	We had a great FBI official on our program, Kevin Brock.
	He said, you know, I think we need a 1970s church committee that investigates the FBI.
	It's an FBI man saying this.
	That got all over town, and all of a sudden Kevin McCarthy said, I like the idea of a church committee.
	Jim Jordan said, I like the idea of a church committee.
	Well, on Friday night when the rules package came out, there's a special select committee to investigate the weaponization of federal law enforcement, i.e., the modern-day church committee.
	So two ideas that came from just interviewing smart people, now going to be the law of the land in Congress.
	John Solomon is changing political reality in America through the interviews he is executing with those who actually believe in the founding principles of the Republic.
	That's why he's a good friend of this show.
	Tell us more about this Holman Rule.
	What would it permit Congress to do?
	Because it would be a real, you know, dagger in the heart of the permanent bureaucracy that thinks that they are unanswerable to the will of the American people.
	Yeah, so originally it was created in case a seditious leftover confederate got into the government.
	They wouldn't want to go through a whole impeachment process.
	They could simply just get rid of that person in the aftermath of the Civil War.
	What it can be done now is, let's take the example you had at the start of this block.
	Alejandro Mayorkas, he's not enforcing the law that's on the books.
	The House can say, you know what, we don't want to go through impeachment because the Senate's not going to remove you.
	Here's what we're going to do.
	We're going to remove every dollar that supports you in your office.
	You want to keep working, you're going to work for one dollar.
	That's it.
	And that's what the Holman Rule can do.
	It's very, very powerful.
	It was first kicked around as being resurrected in 2017.
	Paul Ryan really didn't use it effectively.
	Now it's going to be part of the arsenal that they use every day.
	And so, if you're an FBI agent and want to turn over your documents, no problem.
	We're going to take your salary away.
	If you're a program that isn't complying with the law, no problem.
	We're going to take your funding away.
	A simple majority vote.
	No 60 majority threshold.
	It could be very transformative to shrinking this bloated government that we now have.
	See guys, this is why what we witnessed last weekend and over the weekend, last week and over the weekend, was so important.
	It wasn't just intransigence.
	It was tools to have representative government.
	He's John Solomon.
	Thank you, John.
	Follow him at jsolomonreports.
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	Amen.
	Title for that one?
	That would be fun.
	John Solomon changing rules or something?
	No, no, no, no.
	The truth about the National Guard on January 6th.
	Mm-hmm.
	Amen.
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	Let's go to your calls.
	It's been a while.
	Phil from Philly.
	Happy New Year, Dr. G. Thanks for taking a call.
	How you doing?
	Good, good.
	I'm like crazy about this statement you made.
	The last time we talked about there would have to be expeditionary forces.
	Hang on.
	Slow down.
	Slow down.
	Your line is not that good.
	So just calm down and tell me what's the issue.
	Okay.
	The last time an Asian country went full throttle building coal-fired steel plants, we lost a fleet in the Pacific.
	The Chinese are building a coal-fired steel plant one a week because they're building what I believe is pipeline.
	Once Biden depletes our national reserves of gas and oil, He's going to send in a million boat people, immigrants, but they're actually going to be Chinese soldiers.
	He's going to seize that state and put that pipeline back across the Bering Strait, which is only 400 miles.
	Nordstrom is 1,200 miles underwater.
	So this is what I think is going to happen.
	And I think Biden's not going to do a thing about it.
	But what are you basing this on?
	What are you basing this theory that we're going to have a million fake immigrants that are actually members of the People's Liberation Army come to America?
	Well, number one, the southern border is not our only border.
	I know that, but that's a very concrete accusation that members of the Chinese military are going to come here disguised as illegals.
	Okay, why would you deplete a national reserve of gas and oil unless you're going to leave us open to be invaded or attacked?
	Why would somebody do that?
	So you think Biden wants to have America invaded by the Chinese military?
	I think this deal was cut three, four years ago with him and Ping.
	And then what happens to Biden?
	If China invades America, what happens to Biden?
	I'm a little bit confused.
	He's just going to let it, he's just going to let them have it, because the Chinese are good people, folks.
	He's just going to let them have it, and God help us all, because China will have our sick industry up there and our oil up there.
	Yeah, I need more evidence.
	China is our number one enemy.
	Yes, they're building, you know, coal-powered plants, coal-fired plants every single day, but the idea that the Chinese army is going to Secretly come to America in the hundreds and thousands and millions.
	I need to see some evidence of that.
	Yes, they want to politically destroy America, but do they want to physically destroy it?
	I'd have to see some evidence.
	But maybe we could discuss it with that amazing strategist.
	Professor Ed Luttwak.
	We should reach out to him.
	And don't forget, the one and only Victor Davis Hanson here on America First on Thursday.
	What a day, what a week we have lined up for you.
	More of your calls don't go anywhere.
	Jerry and Annabelle, this is America First.
	America First.
	This hour of America First starts right now on Salem News Channel.
	We have a new speaker.
	Yes, it may have taken a historic number of votes, but Kevin McCarthy has been anointed.
	What is the deal?
	What kinds of things did the hardcore of the Freedom Caucus extract from Kevin McCarthy?
	And will it work?
	What can we expect from the new Congress?
	That and so much more.
	Nancy Mace has already said she doesn't like the deal.
	Why is that?
	Stay tuned.
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	The End
	The End The
	End I do want to especially thank President Trump.
	I don't think anybody should doubt his influence.
	He was with me from the beginning.
	Somebody wrote the doubt of whether he was there, and he was all in.
	He would call me and he would call others.
	And he really was, I was just talking to him tonight, helping get those final votes.
	What he's really saying, really, for the party and the country, that we have to come together.
	Who is that?
	Is that Matt Gaetz thanking President Trump?
	Was that Andy?
	Jeff, for those who are not watching us, who was that at 2am in the morning saying such nice things about President Trump?
	That is our new speaker, Kevin McCarthy.
	What?
	What was that all about?
	And why was it at 2am?
	What's your theory, Jeff?
	On what?
	On what's the real reason for him making that statement?
	I think because he had to, to be able to get it across the line.
	I think he definitely did.
	Yes.
	There are lots of theories as to who was engineering things behind the scenes and helping out Matt Gaetz, but the fact that Kevin McCarthy had to grovel at 2 a.m.
	after the 15th vote and thank President Trump, that's why President Trump endorsed him.
	Because President Trump knows a weak man when he sees him.
	All right, before we go to your calls, we've got multiple calls, don't go anywhere, Jerry Annabelle and everybody else.
	Let's talk about what actually happened as a result of those 15 votes.
	We have an article here from the great Emily Yashinsky of The Federalist, because nobody's going to tell, nobody is going to tell you in the mainstream media what the 20 Freedom Caucus guys were holding out for, and what they squeezed, the blood they squeezed out of Kevin McCarthy.
	And here you have the list.
	This is quite something, because Nancy Pelosi was the Empress.
	She was the Queen of Congress.
	Well, I'm sorry, Kevin isn't going to have a fraction of that power.
	So here is a list from Congressman Andrew Ogles of Kevin McCarthy's concessions To the Freedom Caucus, tough guys.
	As it has been reported, it will only take a single congressman or woman to act under the Jefferson motion to move to remove the Speaker if they break their promises.
	Isn't that great?
	Just one member of Congress can propose to have a vote on Kevin McCarthy as to whether he stays Speaker if he breaks his promises.
	Additionally, a church-style committee will be convened to look into the weaponization of the FBI.
	That is very, very exciting and needed.
	Term limits will be put up for a vote!
	Huh!
	Isn't that a big deal?
	Yeah, it is.
	Bills presented to Congress will be single subject.
	None of these disgusting 40,000 pages of omnibus bills and all the earmarks.
	And there will be three days.
	To read every bill.
	Minimum.
	None of this, oh, you gotta pass it to read it crap from Nancy.
	Number five.
	Concession number five.
	This is great.
	The Texas border plan will be put before Congress, which will aim to put a complete physical border infrastructure in place.
	Hmm.
	I think I've heard that before.
	Maybe they should use the word war.
	And then, number six, COVID mandates will be ended, as will any funding for COVID mandates, including so-called emergency funding.
	And then lastly, budget bills would stop the endless increases in the debt ceiling and hold the Senate accountable for the same.
	Wow.
	That's What those four days were about.
	That is quite an achievement.
	I texted him at the weekend.
	I congratulated Matt Gaetz.
	NTG, not so much.
	She texted me lots of nasty things on Sunday.
	Maybe I'll share a couple of them.
	But let's talk to you, our dear friends who are waiting so patiently.
	The number is 833-333-GORKA.
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	I have quite a few points to make.
	No, you have three.
	Nobody gets more than three points on my show because we have other listeners.
	Point number one, when the party of Biden was founded in 1830, it was immediately the party of evil because they're the one to cause this division within the country that we had to fight a civil war.
	Point number two, Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, and also, uh, The traitor, Benedict Arnold, better known as Mitch, basically did great damage to the Congress.
	And last but not least, point number three, is the reason there was no National Guards, because Pelosi had nothing to do.
	So by basically not allowing the National Guards, it wasn't a question of optics, it's a question of basically blaming someone else and pulling the fast one.
	Explain that last one to me, what do you mean Nancy had nothing to do?
	Nancy, well, she could have had the National Guard there, but she was looking for something that they could try and hang on Trump, that he was responsible and he didn't cooperate when basically the last two people that had the power was either her or the mayor.
	So you don't think it was just incompetence, you think it was some Machiavellian ploy?
	Absolutely.
	I'd have to see evidence of that.
	I'd have to see at least one email, one recording, one text where somebody says this is the plan.
	Right now I haven't seen that.
	I always prefer Occam's razor when multiple explanations are presented.
	The simplest one is most likely right.
	I've spent a lot of time in government Incompetence is usually the explanation, but these people are absolutely evil, and the party was evil from the get-go.
	Thank you, Jerry, and Happy New Year.
	Let's go to California.
	That's rather lacking in specificity.
	Annabelle, welcome.
	Happy New Year.
	Happy New Year to you and your beautiful family.
	Thank you.
	I am going to be really bold, I'll be really fast, to follow up the magnificent Victor David Hanson, but I'm going to add one more little question, if I may.
	Davis, Davis Hanson.
	I'm sorry, what did I say?
	David.
	I get so nervous on the air, I'm not good at this.
	No, not necessary.
	Alright, what do you want to say?
	Alright, I'll be really fast.
	This is my question.
	When did Americans simply become either heroes or villains, elevated or crucified, solely based on their worth to a cold, hideous, and soulless narrative?
	Defined by utter disdain for America First on every level.
	Republicans must keep a laser focus on our real enemy, the Democrats responsible for unleashing torment on our citizens.
	Woe to any so-called patriot who deviates who should be in their sights.
	And that's my edition.
	Were you reading from something that you wrote, Annabelle?
	I didn't write it down because I get nervous, I'll forget, but I thought of it as soon as I heard Victor David Hanson.
	You just thought that up and remembered it?
	That heroes and villains to a narrative?
	That's why I was in the hospital for high blood pressure, Dr. Corker.
	That is superb.
	Wow.
	I love that.
	Stay on the line, Annabelle.
	You deserve something.
	Let's give her one of these.
	This is our MAGA returns Trump 2024 hats.
	Let's get Annabelle one of those.
	Because that, you know, extemporaneously off the top of her head, That's blooming good, as we used to say in England.
	Let's stay in California.
	Paul, line one.
	Welcome, Paul.
	Hey, Dr. Gorka.
	Nice to speak with you again.
	Likewise.
	I agree with you.
	It was definitely worth the wait to get those, to avoid having, you know, three more repeats of Hastert, Boehner, and Ryan.
	Yes.
	My question is, How do we, my understanding is that because Congressional requirements for Congressional service are set in the Constitution, that statutory law, whether enacted by Congress or the individual states, can't add additional requirements such as term limits.
	How did, did the Congressman explain how they're going to try and go about No, the concessions package that was squeezed out of Kevin is simply, it's not about enforcing term limits, it's about having a vote.
	The point here is, Paul, to get every stinking member of Congress on the record about term limits.
	That's the point.
	That's where you have to begin, because then you know who wants to be a swamp creature or not.
	Oh, that's great.
	Even if they can't get it enacted as a statute, yeah.
	Yeah, it's the first marker in the sand.
	Great question.
	Good stuff.
	Stay on the line, buddy.
	Let's give Paul a... What should we give Paul?
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	Eric, can you post the beginning of that before we did the calls by reading the concessions?
	Yeah.
	What Kevin McCarthy was forced to agree to.
	That's a pretty good bloody list.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	What's your address?
	Three minutes.
	Three minutes.
	Oh, Morgan is, he's BC, right?
	Yeah.
	Oh, he should be.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	You want the mics on or off?
	Uh, on is good.
	Mike's on.
	He's on.
	Two and a half minutes.
	All right, buddy.
	Happy New Year.
	You too, Sebastian.
	Have you got any intel on the president's visit?
	Yeah.
	I mean, probably nothing that you don't already know.
	But, you know, I think that what we're trying to get is some, you know, intel on exactly what was said.
	Because, I mean, that's kind of the key.
	All right, I'm gonna just tee it up in general, how short the visit was, how he didn't meet with any of the rank-and-file, and then this... Well, he did, though.
	He did.
	Oh, I thought he didn't.
	I thought he just met with managers.
	No.
	So if you look at both the port of entry, so I know, I know the leaders that were there at OFO.
	I know both those port directors, the guys with the stars, but you know, there were a whole host of rank and file that were giving him demonstrations.
	And then when he was on the physical border by the wall, he had the chief patrol agent and the assistant chief patrol agent, but there were a couple of rank and file that were with him as well.
	Got it.
	All right.
	And then I'm going to talk about this expanded catch and release thing.
	Yeah, that's great.
	Yeah.
	Because I can tell you that the key is going to be, what did he hear or what he didn't hear?
	If he really set the forum up to have an honest and frank discussion, I know there's men and women there, and if he would have allowed it, they would have told him what he needed to hear.
	For example, he would have heard the borders aren't secure and the walls work.
	All right.
	What have we got here?
	I'm going to use Cut 2 again with Mark, all right?
	Cut 2 again.
	All righty.
	One minute.
	You'll see it up.
	Yes.
	And the irony was he was walking along the wall.
	Yeah.
	It works.
	I know.
	I know.
	I'm going to send you that image, Eric, to use here of Biden at the wall.
	I guarantee you the Secret Service picked that location so the wall was to his right so he was safe.
	And one reason why he didn't see any illegal aliens is because of the wall.
	Right.
	Alright.
	I just sent it.
	Yep.
	Alright.
	Standby.
	by 30 seconds.
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	Well, it took him 15 years because he hasn't been there for 15 years.
	It took him two years, sad it will be the two-year anniversary, just a couple of days, to go to the border.
	But Biden went to the border.
	Does this mean some kind of substantive change in the policies?
	Let's ask the man who knows, who has all the best contacts, who protected this nation for decades, former Commissioner of Customs and Border Protection, Mark Morgan.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Thanks, Sebastian.
	All right, so, as my producer pointed out, when we went down to the border and we were hosted by Sheriff Mark Lamb, we spent... How long were we there for, Jeff?
	It was like a whole day, right?
	Yeah, which would be about four or five times longer than Biden stayed.
	Yeah, two humble media people went down there and spent, you know, 12 hours at the border.
	The president spent three, Mark.
	Your reaction?
	Yeah, look, I think he spent a total of 17,000 hours in office.
	He spent about three and a half hours at the border, and he visited one site, one sector among nine along the 2,000-mile stretch of the shared border with Mexico.
	And look, here's the issue, Sebastian.
	You asked the question.
	So now what?
	After the photo op is over, How are we going to tell whether this was just really a photo op or there's any substance to the visit?
	Here's how we're going to be able to tell.
	One, he's going to start rebuilding the wall.
	Two, he's going to reinstate the Remain in Mexico program.
	Three, he's going to reinstate the safe third cooperative agreements we had with all three Northern Triangle countries.
	Four, he's going to remove the restrictions that Secretary Mayorkas placed on ICE so they can actually start removing criminal illegal aliens.
	And fifth, he's actually going to start applying consequences To those that illegally enter to stop the flow and for us to better secure our border.
	That is how we're going to be able to tell that this meeting and this visit was of substance rather than just a photo op.
	You used the phrase photo op there repeatedly.
	Let's put the photograph up on the screen.
	I guess walls are good now.
	Here's Biden standing next to the border wall.
	Will you comment on this photograph, please, Mark?
	Yeah, look, I hope that the irony is not lost on the majority of the American people.
	So look, I'm pretty sure the Secret Service said, hey, look, you can stand here, President Biden, because with the wall to your right, we feel that you're safe because of the wall.
	And oh, by the way, the reason why he didn't one of the reasons why he didn't see any illegal aliens right where he was standing was because of the wall.
	I mean, right, the irony and the hypocrisy.
	And then I'll go back, I'll double down on what I said, Sebastian.
	Look, if those border trogles, by the way, I know a couple of those border trogles right there, and I know them to be true professionals.
	If President Biden actually gave them the opportunity to have an honest, frank discussion, one of the first things they would have said, I have no doubt, was, "President Biden, our borders are not secure." You must apply consequences to those that are illegally entering, or it will never stop.
	Oh, by the way, the wall you're standing next to, it works, President.
	If they were allowed to say it, that's exactly what they would have told him.
	I have in front of me from my colleagues at Town Hall, Sarah Arnold wrote this article that I need you to comment on.
	Joe Biden's border visit only lasted three hours.
	It's two years too late.
	And then John Binder at Breitbart, expert Biden laying groundwork for, quote, mass amnesty with expanded catch and release policy.
	Is that even possible?
	Could it get any worse, Mark?
	Yeah, Sebastian, I'm glad you brought both of those up because they're both right.
	So let's keep in mind, let's call balls and strikes.
	Sebastian, I think you and I always have is, look, I'm glad the president went to the border.
	He should have been to the border.
	I mean, any time that our country is going through a catastrophic crisis that's impacting every aspect of our safety and national security, the president should go visit that.
	What's different, though, is this isn't a natural disaster.
	This is a self-inflicted, man-made disaster that happened at the end of the president's pen.
	I mean, he has signed over 90 executive orders that dismantled the expansive network of tools, authorities, and policies we have to develop the most secure border in our nation.
	So the critics that say it's too little, too late, I think are justified, and they're right on that front.
	The second front, yeah.
	Look, he has said during his speech this past week that the Cubans, Nicaraguans, Venezuelans, and Haitians That for those four countries, he's going to, what I believe, unlawfully expand the use of parole, and he's going to parole in up to 30,000 illegal aliens in those groups in the United States.
	So he's just simply making the crisis worse if that was possible.
	All right, last question.
	I know you're not a lawyer.
	You're a former Marine.
	You're a LEO, former commissioner for CBP.
	Is there any Legal recourse?
	Because to me, I just look at this as there's a federal responsibility.
	DHS, the White House, it is their responsibility to secure the border and to stop illegal immigration.
	Is there no way to get them to do that job through the courts, Mark?
	Is that a naive question?
	No, it's not.
	And I hate to admit it, I actually am a lawyer, Sebastian, but... We'll keep that quiet, we'll keep that quiet.
	Yeah, please, please keep that quiet.
	Yeah, there's multiple fronts on this.
	Look, and that's why you've had, you know, some states like the state of Texas, in fact, Missouri, Louisiana, there have been multiple states who have gotten involved and filed lawsuits.
	And so I think you're absolutely on to something that should be looked at.
	And I'm sure that Governor, I mean, A.G.
	Paxson of Texas is looking at further opportunities where he can push back against this administration.
	But here's what's really important in the law, is that Governor Abbott declared an invasion.
	Look, under Article 1, Section 10 of the Constitution, it's what I refer to as the state's self-help remedy.
	When the federal government, in this case, the Biden administration, has failed to further their constitutional responsibility to protect the states from threats outside its borders, the states can avail themselves of Article 1, Section 10, which the governor of Texas has done.
	So, I'm foreseeing that that is going to come to a head, that is going to enter the courts, and I think we're going to see some action on that front.
	All right, I need to ask you, stay on for one more segment, please, what that could concretely look like and what I'm curious what the capabilities of the states like Texas are.
	We saw Governor Abbott present a letter to Joe Biden.
	I'm not sure how much difference a letter makes, but perhaps there could be some concrete things that happen.
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	Do we know anything about what Abbott...
	You can put the mics on.
	Do we know anything about the letter Abbott gave to Biden?
	Yeah, look, he makes five very strong points of what Biden could do.
	And what's very important to that is the five elements that Abbott has in that letter, Sebastian, doesn't take congressional action.
	He could do those at the stroke of a pen to reverse course, just like he used his pen to dismantle the network of tools and authorities and policies we had in place.
	And I agree with him.
	The last point about, you know, specifically labeling the cartels a terrorist organization.
	I mean, you could go back and forth.
	I'm a full supporter.
	At a minimum, we should go after the cartels like we go after terrorist organizations, for sure.
	But all five of those points are very valid.
	They're very concise.
	And they all could be done by President Biden at a stroke of a pen without congressional action.
	It could be done tomorrow.
	Yeah, but there's no point giving that letter to Biden because he doesn't want to do any of it.
	No, that's correct.
	But I tell you, you know, what's important, though, is that the Republicans in the House, that's just one more piece of ammunition and one more set of actions that they could take, along with what we've already provided them, for them, what really should be H.R.
	1 to secure the border.
	If they incorporate those five things that Abbott has in their legislation, it'll make a difference.
	And look, let the Senate Detain and remove.
	security bill or let Biden veto a border security bill that every single expert says, if you have those elements, the border will be secure.
	But look, Governor, here's another thing, Governor Abbott.
	Look, I've been a full supporter of Governor Abbott and especially declared the invasion.
	The one thing he's not doing that he could do, though, is to detain and remove.
	Sebastian, if he starts doing that, you're going to see the crisis dramatically.
	Detain and remove.
	All right.
	We'll talk about that.
	Yep.
	All right, we'll talk about that.
	We'll talk about the cartels.
	We'll talk about Mallorca's.
	Alright, this time I'm gonna use Cut2, Eric.
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	I'll tee it up.
	We came in with it before.
	In the Solomon segment.
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	So he's back at the border.
	Not back, he's at the border for the first time.
	Standing in front of President Trump's beautiful border wall.
	But what does it all mean?
	What is it going to take to fix it?
	Mark?
	You said that you're a fan of Governor Abbott.
	He gave a letter to Biden, none of which will be acted upon, but talk to us about this.
	You said there's this policy that could come into play of the, what was it, the detain and Detain and remove.
	Detain and remove.
	So, what are the options for the states?
	And what is detain and remove?
	And how feasible is it for Texas, for example?
	Yeah, Sebastian, look, that really is the question, because we know, and I agree with you, that even after this visit and go down to Mexico, President Biden, Secretary of America, said they're not going to change policy.
	Look, that letter, by the way, that Governor Abbott gave the President, it had five things in there, and all five things are spot on.
	Oh, by the way, all five things are something that does not require congressional action that President Biden could have been.
	reverse course to the things that he destroyed through his previous executive orders, number one.
	Number two, under the Constitution, Article 1, Section 10, again, I call it the Constitution self-help remedy.
	When the federal government has abdicated their constitutional duty to protect America, it says in the Constitution that states can protect themselves under Article 1, Section 10.
	And all it takes is for the governor—in this case, Governor Abbott has already done—to declare an invasion, because now what that does is it moves it out of federal immigration law, which states can't enforce.
	Now that's not what they're doing.
	Now they're protecting their states via the Constitution.
	And look, Governor Abbott has done more than any other governor.
	Governor DeSantis has been doing a great job.
	But the one thing that could Walk us through it here.
	immediately put put a reduction of this crisis is if governor abett started detaining these illegal aliens and then removing them applying consequences i promise so walk us through it here walk us through it because you're the best positioned as former commissioner uh in terms of you know separation of authorities and just the difference between state uh and national capabilities how How does he get rid of illegals?
	He can, of course, detain them.
	Texas public safety can detain them.
	And then what happens?
	What can he physically do to illegal aliens?
	So that's key.
	Right now, very little.
	U.S.
	v. Arizona is very clear that states cannot enforce federal immigration law.
	So right now, if somebody illegally enters, if they did not commit a state violation, Governor Abbott or any other governor can't do anything.
	They can't detain these individuals, and they can't remove them.
	I gotta just be clear here.
	I've got to just be clear here.
	Being in Texas illegally isn't a crime?
	It's not necessarily a state crime.
	It's a federal crime to illegally enter our sovereign borders, but it's not a state violation.
	That is federal immigration law, and states cannot enforce it.
	That's why U.S.
	via, but Sebastian, this is a good line of questioning.
	That's why U.S.
	via Arizona is so bad.
	That's why that's one of the things we recommend Congress to do, is to fix that very bad lower case judicial course, U.S.
	via Arizona, that says states can't do that.
	Congress could reverse that.
	So a state can declare invasion?
	Correct.
	Right now they can't.
	But once he invokes invasion, which he has, now he can take additional actions because he's basically declared war against the cartels and he won't be enforcing federal immigration law.
	He will protect his state under the Constitution.
	So a state can declare invasion.
	Correct.
	And then we haven't played a clip of it, but President Trump released his immigration video last week that we have to basically declare war on the cartels in 22nd.
	What do you think about that, Mark?
	It's right.
	Governor Abbott has already done that.
	By declaring invasion under Article 1, Section 10, he has declared war against the cartels.
	And that gives him the opportunity to do a whole bunch of other actions.
	Now, look, there are some potential liability issues that he's working through.
	But until we apply consequences to those that are illegally entering, it's not going to change.
	And we do need to go after the cartels like we do terrorist organizations.
	Wow.
	I get a little bit buoyed.
	I feel a little bit better because at least there is a plan.
	There's no will to execute it in this stinking city, but maybe in Texas.
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	Hey, just a quick question, Mark. Mark.
	Yep.
	Why doesn't Texas or Arizona or all of those states declare it a state crime for an illegal to be on their territory?
	They can't.
	They can't do it.
	It's federal immigration law.
	They don't have supremacy over that.
	But it's not controlling immigration.
	It's just saying you can't have non-status.
	You can't be on my territory illegally.
	Why is that not So they can, if it's on private property or state property, they can say that's trespassing, but they can't make it a state crime to cross international borders.
	That's the primacy of federal law.
	So they could prosecute them under trespass law?
	Which is what they're doing right now.
	That's another great thing that Governor Abbott is doing under Operation Lone Star.
	He's doing that.
	The problem, though, is he's got a bunch of woke DAs, even in Texas, that aren't participating.
	The invasion is a good thing.
	Basically, he can do anything now because he has declared war against the cartels.
	The problem is that there's a potential liability to a Texas trooper Here's a nuance, though.
	that physically removes, they could be sued under the color of law of acting outside the scope of the authority, they could be even personally criminally charged, so they're worried about that.
	Now, the scholars that I've talked to says that that risk is almost zero, but he's still worried about that.
	But here's a nuance though, with the containers that he's moved, if you call Arizona, the Biden administration sued Arizona and made him remove the containers, right?
	Well now, but that's under a different policy and a different law.
	I hope Governor Abbott is going to push back that I can do this under the invasion clause.
	If he does that, I think this is going to go to the Supreme Court.
	And if he wins on the invasion argument, then that's Katie bar the door.
	Then that means he can do all of this.
	That's fascinating.
	Has anybody written a good article on this question?
	Yes, yes, yes.
	Ken Cuccinelli has done a great analysis, both on the Article 1, Section 10, and then it's Article 4, Section 4, which enumerates the federal government's responsibility to protect the states.
	But Ken Cuccinelli did a really good article.
	I can forward it to you.
	Yeah, please.
	That was great.
	That was one of your best.
	Thank you, Mark.
	Thank you.
	You bet.
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	But the reality is that the House Republican caucus as a whole is extremist, is conspiratorial, is far right wing, is in hock to one Donald J. Trump.
	Some of them just do a better job of hiding it than others.
	So everybody with an R behind their name Mehdi Hassan is an extremist.
	Well, that's weird because they were elected.
	Or are you an election denier, Mehdi Hassan?
	And if they were rightfully elected, are you calling half of America extremists?
	Are you a bigot?
	That's the kind of thing real radicals do.
	To label tens of millions of people extremists.
	Let's talk about that word extremist.
	I had a very interesting experience at the weekend.
	So I met a good buddy of mine.
	A really solid buddy of mine who's totally, I mean you cut him and he bleeds America first.
	And he said, hey I've got a neighbor literally across the road Impressive pedigree, recently retired, 06, he's a colonel in the army.
	He's going to some fancy college right now, Harvard or Yale, I think to do an MBA.
	And he wants to run for Congress as a Republican.
	Would you talk to him?
	Would you give him your advice?
	Now my friend is a very good friend, so absolutely.
	The first sign that something was up is that I texted him twice on Saturday.
	I said, uh, I'm coming over to see my good buddy across the street.
	Do you want to chat?
	Come over and we'll have a quick chat and I'll give you my advice.
	Two texts, zero response.
	He made up some excuse about he was walking his dog in the park.
	Okay, fine.
	Later Saturday he calls me and I don't know if you know this about me, I don't suffer fools gladly.
	I have very little patience for fools.
	And also, time is precious.
	When you've passed the half-century mark, time is precious.
	I either want to be spending time with my wife, my children, and my dogs, my best buddy, or not much else apart from doing this show and doing my TV show.
	Oh, and shooting and smoking cigars.
	That's about it.
	So I cut to the chase and I decided, OK, he's called me up.
	Thank you, Colonel.
	Let's talk.
	Let me get a sense of who you are and what you believe in, why you want to run for office.
	And first things first, he said, well, you know, it's time to serve and there's too much extremism out there and it's trying to To bridge the gaps.
	To bring two sides back together.
	And to fight the real enemy that's outside the country.
	And he talked about China and talked about Russia.
	My spidey sense started to tingle.
	Bring the two sides together and then fight the external enemy.
	Uh-huh, really?
	So then I asked him, Hey, Colonel, are there no problematic people inside the country?
	Are there no enemies on US soil?
	And he said, um, well, yeah, they are.
	They are.
	On the right.
	We have extremists.
	Like QAnon.
	QAnon?
	So I asked the good Colonel, is there anybody A serious politician, influential in the mainstream, who espouses the views of those crazy QAnon people?
	Is there any politician who's an extremist on the right?
	Give me just one name!
	And he paused, and he yawned, and he yawned.
	When I pushed him a few more times, he said, Well, the former president.
	At which point I said, Colonel, this call is over.
	And I hung up the phone.
	Now, afterwards he texted me, blah blah blah, kind of empty boilerplate stuff.
	And I said, dude, you're a perfect example of the woke officer corps that Milley, Mark Milley, and his predecessors created, and I witnessed their creation.
	I've been teaching the U.S.
	military since 2004.
	I became a DOD civilian at National Defense University in 2008.
	I spent five and a half years there on faculty, and then I spent two and a half years at Quantico teaching the Marines.
	And I saw it everywhere.
	As soon as they got to 0506 and then pinned that star on their epaulets, they became political animals.
	And the Wokery took control.
	And even more obvious than this man's pathetic threat analysis is how stupid he is.
	And this is the positive point I want to make, because whether it's rhinos like this Colonel, Whether it's leftists like AOC or even Hakeem Jeffries.
	I think we've got to cut from Hakeem Jeffries.
	Not the sharpest tool in the shed.
	This is the new leader for the Democrats in the House?
	I doubt his IQ gets to double digits.
	I said to him in response to his non-Mayor Culper text.
	What kind of ignoramus are you that you can't quote read the room that you're on a phone call an extended phone call with somebody who used to be the deputy assistant for strategy to the president of the United States whose name was Donald Trump and you called Donald Trump
	A threat to the U.S.
	Constitution?
	How stupid are you, Colonel?
	What kind of idiot does that?
	Especially on a call to ask my advice.
	Here's the good news.
	The left, it's bad.
	Yes, they're evil.
	And I include the rhinos too.
	But they're so dumb.
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	Can you believe how stupid that colonel was?
	That really is... Something else.
	Anecdotes.
	I think anecdotes like that are really good for radio, though.
	I hope so.
	I hope so.
	Most last time you told a story about, like, walking the dogs, or post office, or... What happened?
	I try and inject my life.
	80 seconds.
	Oh, I need a title for Morgan.
	Something about Biden's visit or Biden loves Texas has declared war on the cartels Prebiotic oats.
	Oh Okay.
	Close the lines.
	50 seconds.
	Any cuts?
	What's the second one?
	What do you think about what?
	The Convention of the States.
	What's the first one about?
	That's the... What's the first one about?
	Biden what?
	Can you come in with Hakeem Cut4?
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	30 seconds.
	Any media today?
	Any bookings?
	Today's... Today's...
	Today's...
	And while the Congress was held captive this particular time, what is going to be a problem is if the American people will be held captive over the next two years to the extreme MAGA Republican agenda that apparently has been negotiated into the House rules and the functioning of the Congress.
	That's going to undermine the health, the safety, and the well-being of the American people.
	It may undermine national security and a robust defense.
	Oh my gosh, that's the guy that would have been Speaker of the House if the Democrats had won.
	That's Hakeem Jeffrey.
	You're lecturing us on national security?
	The people who've let five million illegals into this country?
	Man, oh man, it's so good to see dumb people in positions of influence at the top of the Democrat Party.
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	Oh yeah, Dr. Corker.
	You don't know where to start with these people.
	You've got this doddering old fool called the President.
	He shows up at the border and Kamala can't find the border.
	I swear to God, she's too stoned and lands in Central America.
	But they're destabilizing the entire region.
	I lived on the border for years.
	And it's a black hole when it comes to reporting.
	People don't understand, you know, Mika and Joe Schmo and all the rest of these, you know, you know.
	you know, so-called journalists.
	Nobody's heard of the fact that 100 journalists had been murdered in Mexico and Central America reporting on the cartels, you know, and the corrupt governments there.
	And, you know, it's just, you know, incredible that people are fooled by this, you know, by this administration.
	They're not fooled.
	They're not fooled.
	They're useful idiots.
	It would be great if they were fooled.
	They are complicit.
	That's the trouble, Mike.
	When it comes to what happened on Friday with the anniversary, I wanted to share with you before we go to our special one-on-one with Mr. Reagan, what President Trump had to say about the anniversary Remember, we should call that day Ashley Babbitt Day.
	Cut one.
	Ashley Babbitt's mother was arrested yesterday because she was protesting the death of her daughter being shot by a lunatic who's got a record of not so good and then they try and protect him and they do things with what they've done to that family.
	But they shot her.
	There was no reason.
	And then they arrested, because the mother was in a group, and they arrested yesterday the mother of Ashley Babbitt.
	So she loses her daughter, and then on top of it, she gets arrested.
	And we're not going to let this go on.
	We're not going to let this go on.
	These people are horrible, horrible people.
	iPhone footage from Mar-a-Lago on Saturday.
	The president speaking out on what they did to Ashley Babbitt's poor mother.
	God bless him and God bless them.
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	He's in Mexico now and is about to meet with the country's president after spending a total of four hours on the ground in El Paso, Texas.
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	Chris Coles, my buddy in movie-making crime.
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	And I can't understand why you don't love this film, to be perfectly honest.
	I don't know.
	So this is where you get to earn.
	I mean, we pay you so much money.
	This is where you get to earn your title as co-host.
	Because I'm going to throw this over to you.
	Look, I managed to convince my wife.
	That she had to sit down with me and watch Back to the Future again.
	I have on my phone a slew of notes.
	Most of it is the really nerdy stuff, the behind-the-scenes things like, you know, who was the original actor and what, you know, Michael J. Fox was doing at the same time as making the movie.
	We can have a lot of fun with that.
	But let's start with you.
	Let's start with Chris Coles, the host of the Mr. Reagan YouTube channel and the Alpha Critic.
	Why did you choose this movie?
	Well, it is iconic in American culture, Back to the Future.
	It is one of the films that many people say is their favorite of all time.
	And my brother absolutely loves this film.
	I think it might be his favorite.
	I have a friend who literally can recite every line from the film.
	Literally can recite every line from the film.
	I mean, it is a beloved film.
	And I have to say, it may be a generational thing.
	Because this time, as I was watching through, it occurred to me, it's kind of a cartoon.
	Yes!
	This movie is kind of a cartoon.
	There's moments where Christopher Lloyd will react to something, and he reacts like this.
	Well, you know, whenever I see him in this movie, I think of Who Killed Roger Rabbit, right?
	Where he plays the villain who turns out to be a cartoon whose eyes bug out.
	And I find it hard to disassociate Christopher Lloyd from this incarnation and from the evil villain, the literal cartoon villain he plays in Who Killed Roger Rabbit.
	Yeah, and there is a lot of moments like that where the acting is very intentional.
	And everything's very clean.
	So there is a kind of, like, legend with this film that maybe it's because some film professors have started to teach the film this way?
	This is what blows my mind.
	When I hear that there are courses, college courses, on Back to the Future, I'm thinking, OK, can we have, like, 200 courses on Blade Runner and Casablanca before we have one on Back to the Future?
	And to the point of your, you know, the cartoonishness, This opening scene that we just saw, the clocks going through the professor's, the doc's house.
	At the end, what do we see?
	We see Marty McFly play this literal cartoonish amp with this 20-foot wide speaker that happens to blow him across the room because it's like something out of Spinal Tap that's been, you know, set to 11.
	And it is a cartoon!
	Yeah, I mean, it does have 80s movie logic.
	Okay, let's be clear about that.
	But, okay, so look at Michael J. Fox's face.
	He is essentially a child.
	He looks like a kid.
	He looks like a little kid.
	Yeah, and so this is what I'm saying by a generational thing.
	When this movie came out, I was a child.
	I think it was 1985.
	I was five years old.
	I was a man.
	I was 15.
	Well, people your age love this film as well, you know?
	Like, it's not as if most people your age don't like Back to the Future.
	Most people like Back to the Future.
	But if you were a kid when this movie came out, like a child, I think that people my age associated ourselves with the character.
	Because he looked young enough, you could say, oh yeah, in a couple years I could be this guy.
	And, you know, but there is a legend associated with this film that college professors, they don't just teach courses.
	You said college professors teach courses.
	That is true, but they actually teach that this is a perfect script.
	I know, I know, I know.
	It blows my mind.
	Alright, carry on.
	Keep convincing me.
	So what does your brother say about this?
	I mean, why is this your favorite for your brother?
	That's a good question, I don't know, but I'll tell you why I think that people say it's a perfect script.
	Because some people say it's the perfect script.
	Hang on, by the way, by the way, the perfect script that they couldn't sell for ten years?
	Well, the early drafts weren't very good.
	I've read the early drafts.
	Oh, you have?
	Oh my gosh, you're more of a nerd than I am!
	Well, when I was in college, I studied film, and one of the scripts I read was an early draft of Back to the Future.
	And I remember thinking, like, they fixed it.
	Like, they did good.
	But you know what's interesting?
	It's like, if you watch the whole first sequence, the first set of events before he goes back in time, everything matches up so nicely.
	Everything is like foreshadowing so perfectly what happens that the whole film really fits together like a puzzle.
	And if you've seen this film as many times as I have, you know exactly why they put this in this particular spot or whatever.
	And they foreshadow so many things, and so many things make sense together as the film comes together at the end.
	Uh, I think what they did is they wrote the film and then they went back and completely rewrote the beginning so that things that would happen later match up to things that they were foreshadowing at the start, right?
	They, they, they, they kind of finished the script and went, okay, now we have to rewrite the beginning to match what we did toward the end.
	And, uh, but it, it, everything works together.
	It like links together so brilliantly.
	It's all intertwined.
	So brilliant.
	I think that's why people think that it's a perfect script.
	But I don't, it's hard to say that it's like the perfect script because it's a time travel movie.
	And there really aren't that many time travel movies.
	There's like this, there's Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.
	Frequency.
	There's frequency.
	I mean, there are a few, but films that are like super great time travel films don't come along very often.
	I think for some reason it's hard to do a really good time travel movie.
	And I do think they did a good job with this film.
	I mean, Terminator is kind of a time travel movie.
	But I mean, you know, it involves time travel.
	But this film, I think, does time travel really, really well.
	But that's a kind of a unique genre.
	Because it doesn't come along very often, I do think that it's hard to use this as a template for anybody else doing a really great film, because it's such a unique kind of script.
	But I do think that it came together perfectly.
	It was really well done.
	I think it's pretty funny in moments, you know, when his mom kisses him and she's like, oh man.
	This is going to sound weird, but when I kiss you, it kind of feels like I'm kissing my brother.
	And he goes, no, no, that makes total sense, actually.
	She was very good, wasn't she?
	Leah Thompson.
	Fantastic.
	Fantastic.
	She's worked with a girl that I know, a woman that I know.
	And so I'm one degree separation or two degrees separation.
	And so, uh, I've always wanted to meet... She's so cool.
	She's, like, such a cool... She was in so many great films of the 80s, and... Oh, Red Dawn.
	She's just fantastic.
	And a completely different character in Red Dawn.
	Red Dawn, yeah.
	Incredible.
	Incredible.
	All right, he's still yet to convince me, but we have an hour to go.
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	All right.
	We're talking movies.
	We're talking about one that allegedly is a good movie.
	The movie is Back to the Future.
	It is treasured by my co-host, Chris Coles.
	Chris, let's share a little bit of... It's quite remarkable that A, this movie by the two Bobs actually got made, and B, that it actually got finished, is it not?
	Well, I mean, I don't think it's that amazing, because I do think the concept was stellar.
	And at the end of the day... Dude!
	Stop undermining your co-host!
	The guys had like four flops in a row before they did this.
	They screwed Spielberg over with 1941 that completely crashed and burned.
	That's true.
	The incest implications in the script meant nobody wanted to touch it.
	And he said, oh no, it's quite... Oh, of course it got made.
	Come on, help me here.
	Don't undermine your co-host.
	You're right.
	Disney didn't want to make it because of the incest thing.
	Well, because they were buddies with Spielberg.
	So Spielberg was just like, all right, we'll help these guys out, basically, is what happened there.
	But the truth is, they knew they had a hit with this one.
	And here's the proof.
	Here's the proof.
	And you were probably going to bring this up later, but I'm going to bring it up now.
	They originally couldn't get Michael J. Fox because Michael J. Fox was too busy with his show.
	With Family Ties, right.
	Family Ties, yeah.
	That was the show that kind of made him into a star, Family Ties.
	Which is a great show, by the way.
	If you haven't seen Family Ties, watch Family Ties.
	And of course, Alan, the funny thing is he's playing a conservative, right?
	He's the only conservative in the family.
	This kid who walks around in a suit, he's the only conservative.
	It's not just that he's only conservative.
	His parents are like, like hippie leftists.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And they raise this kid and he walks around in a suit with a briefcase and they're just like, what have we done?
	You know, we've, you know, it's like the opposite of what you expect.
	The rebellious kid rebels as a conservative.
	It's beautiful.
	It's really brilliant.
	And he's the star of the show, and the finale episode is really touching.
	If you've not seen that show, I strongly recommend people going back and watching it.
	But let me tell you why I love this film.
	Not why it's good, but why I love it is because of the nerd aspect.
	I mean, I love the car, and I love the time travel aspect, and I love the special effects.
	We all love the movie for all the normal reasons.
	But I also love his dad and how his dad is such a weak, nerdy loser getting picked on by this bully and he's got this plan.
	Okay, my mom's got a crush on me, but she needs to get with you because you're my dad.
	And in order for you to procreate and have me as a child, you need to get together with my mom.
	So we're gonna do this swap, right?
	So he's gonna like take advantage of his mom.
	This kid's gonna come, like knock him out, right?
	It's like a little bit of play acting.
	And then he will save his, like, you know, his mom in the car.
	Well, you know, Alex P. Keaton here, he gets thrown out of the car by Biff Tannen.
	And This kid comes thinking that it's Michael J. Fox, but it's not.
	It's Biff.
	So this kid then has to make a choice.
	Do I walk away from this situation?
	Because this is Biff.
	This is my bully.
	This is the guy that's going to kick my butt.
	Or do I try to save this girl even though I know I can't?
	And he stands up to the challenge.
	He takes Biff out.
	The heroic moment.
	Then they do it again on the dance floor where some other punk kid pushes him out of the way and he comes back.
	The music.
	Crescendos, he kisses the girl, Marty comes back to life, and everything's great.
	And it's, like, those moments are, you know, even though it is a cartoon, I think they're very touching, and I think that they're very inspiring.
	And I have a soft spot for nerds, because all my life growing up, I always had some kind of nerd sidekick with me all the time.
	Like, every grade, I had a new nerd sidekick.
	And so I always... So, hang on, hang on.
	You, of course, were the cool guy with the nerd sidekick, right?
	You were Batman with your Robin.
	I wouldn't, yeah, basically.
	But I wouldn't say I was cool.
	I was definitely not cool.
	Like, people did not like me.
	But I was kind of my own guy.
	Why?
	Were you the artsy guy?
	Were you the guy into poetry?
	Who was Chris Coles?
	No, I was a writer, but, you know, and an artist.
	I used to draw a lot.
	But no, I was an athlete and I was athletic and everything.
	I don't know why I was hated.
	I just wasn't very popular.
	I don't know.
	We're going to have an episode of America First on that.
	I need to know why Chris Colt's The Athlete and Artist was hated.
	Now you've really piqued my interest.
	Yeah, I've got to give it to this guy.
	What's his name?
	Chris Binglover.
	Apparently he was a disaster to work with.
	Just one of these artistes who just absolutely would not obey the director.
	According to that making, the movies that made us or whatever, they had to stand him in an apple box so he would actually stay on his mark because he was so often just walking out of frame because he said, that's what my character would do!
	But with regards to what you said earlier and these moments, you know, the standing up to the bully and the cartoonishness, watching this film again, and I haven't seen this film in I don't know, 20 years.
	Watching it this week, it's a bloody dark film in places.
	Yeah.
	So number one, when, you know, and spoilers, guys, if you haven't seen it, when Doc gets mowed down by the Libyan terrorists, I mean, a chest full of AK bullets, and he's just, boom, he's dead.
	Or you think he's dead.
	And then you have the rape scene.
	I mean, you have, you know, Marty McFly's mom is, you know, is about to be raped by Biff in the car.
	This is not exactly a light-hearted film all the way through.
	No, and in the 80s, this was actually pretty common with kids' films.
	Yeah.
	Which people don't even really remember about the 1980s.
	Like I said, I was a bit of an outcast in school.
	I was bullied.
	I related to characters like Marty or like Karate Kid or whatever.
	But if you watch Karate Kid or you watch Back to the Future, you watch any of these, or the Goonies, you know, The kids, high school kids, elementary school kids in movies in the 80s, weren't just facing down bullies.
	They were facing down mortal danger.
	The bullies were literally out to murder them.
	When Biff was trying to slam Marty into that manure truck, he was trying to kill him.
	Yep.
	And that was kind of the crazy thing about the 80s.
	You didn't just have bullies teasing you or pushing you around.
	You had bullies trying to murder the main character.
	It was pretty intense, man.
	No, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	He's getting closer.
	He's getting closer.
	We're not quite there yet.
	It's definitely not the perfect script, but we will keep on struggling to convince Each other of our views.
	That's why we have Making Movies Great Again for exactly these kinds of discussions.
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	This time it is Back to the Future.
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	All right.
	Let's talk about some of the background stuff here.
	Let's talk about the cast.
	Let's talk about who was meant to be Marty McFly and who was meant to be Marty McFly's girlfriend originally.
	This kind of broke my heart when I found out.
	So let's talk about the cast, Chris.
	Give us your comments.
	As an actor, as a writer, what do you think about the casting here?
	Well, I'm mildly biased because I do know Biff.
	I actually know Biff personally.
	What?
	No, really?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, I have a friend who's a writer out here in Hollywood that I met.
	I used to work on a TV show out here as a PA back when I first came to LA.
	And this writer guy that I'm friends with, his best friend is Biff from Back to the Future.
	Wow.
	Yeah, so I added him on Facebook and I wrote him a couple of times and I'm like, yeah, buddy's with Biff now.
	Did he do anything else?
	Is he from the theater?
	What did he do?
	He's a comedian.
	So he left Back to the Future.
	It was hard for him to get work after Back to the Future.
	So he ended up doing like some stand-up comedy stuff.
	He tried to kind of get the Back to the Future stuff off of his resume, more or less, so that he could get other roles.
	It didn't really work out for him.
	So now he actually kind of leans into the Back to the Future thing.
	He does like a song about Back to the Future.
	It's on YouTube.
	Everybody can find it.
	It's pretty funny.
	But no, look, this is a brilliant cast.
	As you know, they originally... And this is why I'm telling you that they really knew they had a hit on their hands.
	They couldn't get Michael J. Fox because he was working on this other show.
	Right.
	So they said, OK, well, we'll get this other guy.
	They brought in this other guy, Eric... Stoltz.
	Eric Stoltz.
	Yeah, thank you.
	Who's about a foot taller.
	It's about a foot taller, and some of these shots are actually the reverse of Eric.
	Not that one, though, but some of them.
	But Eric Stoltz just didn't have what Michael J. Fox has.
	Well, not that.
	It was worse than that.
	They did five weeks of filming.
	And Eric Stoltz thought this was a tragedy.
	He actually thought this was a tragedy because Marty ends up back in the future, and he's lost his crummy past.
	Eric actually thought that was sad, that he's lost this life that was crappy.
	And so he played this as some kind of Shakespearean tragedy.
	I mean, what a lunatic.
	Yeah, he wasn't playing it how the director wanted or anything like that.
	There you go.
	There you go.
	There's Eric.
	There's Eric in the original cut.
	That's right.
	Yeah, so you can see these.
	Well, so Michael J. Fox, if you watch the movie and just listen to how Michael J. Fox talks, right?
	He's got this very charismatic way of speaking.
	It's sort of like a young teenager.
	It's like his voice is cracking all the time, right?
	And it sounds great.
	It sounds like the kid that you want to see, he's very watchable.
	Eric Stoltz, not so much, I think.
	So, even though he ended up being a fairly successful actor, he was no star.
	He was no Michael J. Fox.
	And they got through shooting, like you said, what was it?
	Five weeks or whatever?
	And they said, you know what?
	Despite the fact that we've already started shooting, we've got all this in the can, this movie's so good, This movie's going to be such a big hit that we can't afford to have a second-rate Marty.
	We need a first-rate Marty.
	We did our first pick.
	We're going to stop shooting.
	We're going to shoot everything again.
	We're going to bring in Alex P. Keaton, Michael J. Fox.
	I keep calling him Alex P. Keaton because that was his name on Family Ties.
	Michael J. Fox, and let's do it right.
	Let's do it right.
	They were so convinced they had a hit on their hands, they didn't even want to mess it up by bringing in one actor that was wrong.
	They needed every actor to be just right.
	And, you know, and Doc Brown here, you know, when he sees that the DeLorean, the time machine, works, you know, young Doc Brown, when he finds out he's got a working invention, Uh, he starts yelling something like, uh, uh, it works.
	It actually works.
	I've built something that works.
	I've invented something that works.
	I've invented something that works.
	And it's so reminiscent of Dr. Frankenstein from the original Frankenstein film.
	And you can tell that they're getting their inspiration from the classics and that they're really, even though it is a cartoon, they are really doing a great job.
	And they really did make something special.
	And you gotta work harder.
	You can't just say it.
	Okay?
	You can't just say they made something special.
	You gotta work harder.
	You got 20 minutes left.
	I'm not gonna give it to you.
	I'm not gonna give it to you that easily.
	Come on.
	You gotta work a bit harder.
	Fair enough.
	Fair enough.
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	The question that is yet to be settled.
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	We shall continue.
	All right.
	We haven't touched upon some of the other aspects.
	of the casting so eric stoltz uh just didn't work at all he had to be replaced they managed to convince actually the head of who was i think it was the head of fox they had to convince to let him off uh the tv show no not let him off his work schedule was insane so he'd film the tv show that's right he did both he did both He'd get in a car, sleep in the car, and they'd film mostly at night and then he'd get back and have like three hours of sleep.
	And one of the remarkable things is because of his constraints, most of the the shots of different angles they did without him so when they're sitting at the dining table you know his mom and his dad are talking to an empty chair and then later when he arrives they'll film the frontal shot of him but also do you know who else they had to replace?
	Do you know who played Jennifer his girlfriend and had to be replaced?
	Yeah, I don't.
	I don't know about that.
	I mean, I know that they replaced her in the second film with Elizabeth Shue because she was a big star at the time.
	I don't know who was the original.
	Are you a fan of The Office?
	I know, but I know the office.
	So there's a woman called Jan Levinson who is a squeeze for Michael Lee, this very attractive... I do know who she is, yeah.
	So she was Jennifer, she was the girlfriend.
	Fascinating, I didn't know that.
	And then they cancelled and Michael J. Fox is 5'4".
	Yes, he was too short.
	And Jennifer's towering over him.
	And it's funny, they say in the making of the show, they say, every woman on the set said, there is no high school girl who would ever date anybody shorter than them.
	This doesn't work.
	You've got to get rid of her.
	And that's how they got his replacement.
	I will say, women are very heightist.
	Yes, they are!
	Greg Gutfeld talks about this on Fox a lot.
	And it is really vicious because, I mean, you don't have a problem with this, obviously.
	I'm 5'10".
	I'm fine.
	I've never really had a problem.
	I've dated girls that are six foot.
	They didn't care.
	But I do feel bad for short guys because women are always complaining like, oh, you expect us to be so perfect and so beautiful.
	Well, you expect us to be tall.
	So there, same thing.
	Yeah, it is.
	It is something you so take for granted.
	So, you know, I had to buy the beers for all my buddies from the age of 14 onwards because I was six foot two and also it's a curse as well because by Saturday night, There's always some cretin who says, I need to have a fight with you because you're the big guy.
	So every Friday or Saturday night, my buddies had to make sure I didn't, not that I got into a fight, but that somebody didn't want to get into a fight with me.
	But when I meet somebody who's taller than me, That's when I realized height matters, right?
	When my son, who's 6'6", walks up to me, it's like, yeah, height matters.
	Height matters.
	Yeah, no, it's true.
	It's true.
	My dad's 6'2", and I always felt like, you know, if you're walking down the street, the tall guy doesn't have to move.
	Whoever's shorter has to move out of the way.
	I'd always think, like, this is bullcrap.
	And so I always, like, walk with intention and I make the big guys move out of the way for me.
	The only disadvantage is flying, okay?
	The little guys have the advantage when they're flying.
	That's the only thing.
	I will say average size is good in every way possible.
	I'm not sure I'm going to agree with you there.
	All right, let's continue, because we're talking about Back to the Future.
	Other interesting things.
	Who also auditioned for Marty McFly?
	Did you see the audition tapes?
	I have, but I don't remember.
	It's been a while since I've seen those.
	A embryonic, he literally looks like he's just been given birth, Ben Stiller.
	Wouldn't that have been a different movie?
	Really?
	Ben Stiller auditioned for Marty McFly.
	Yeah, he probably didn't.
	He would not have been as good as Marty.
	No.
	It would have been an interesting film.
	And yeah, I will say, look, you know what?
	You keep acting like Back to the Future is not as great as it is.
	But let me read you some of the other films that were directed by this guy, Robert Zemeckis.
	Oh, I love Romancing the Stone.
	I love Romancing the Stone.
	He did Romancing the Stone.
	He did Romancing the Stone.
	He did Back to the Future.
	He did Who Framed Robert Rabbit, as you said.
	He did all the other Back to the Future films.
	He did Death Becomes Her, which a lot of people love that film.
	And then he did A little-known film called Forest Gump.
	Which is an insult to handicapped people.
	Another film that I have zero comprehension why it was successful.
	It is the most excruciating, dumbest film ever that insults the mentally handicapped.
	There you go.
	You just proved my case for me, Chris Coles.
	You are such the perfect co-host.
	Thank you.
	Unbelievable.
	Well, I guess I'll just have to stop there because I don't know how to respond to that.
	You see, this is how Democrats and Republicans should do this.
	Yes!
	In Congress.
	Over movies.
	This is how the debate should go.
	Over movies.
	Right.
	They need to watch this and then use it as a template for how they do their debate.
	I will say, though, I do love Romancing the Stone.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, classic film.
	I mean, well, here's your problem.
	I think that you do not tolerate any silliness in a movie.
	I'm a fan of Monty Python!
	Okay.
	Well, okay.
	Maybe that's not true.
	So for me, it just, there's no moment here that really touched me either in four terms.
	Maybe it's a height thing.
	Maybe I can't relate to short people, right?
	So a movie has to do a couple of things for me.
	Star Wars has Darth Vader.
	And so you're like, yes!
	I have to connect with the protagonist or with the environment.
	And I didn't go to school in America.
	We didn't have high school dances in the UK, so maybe there's that.
	Or it just has to be really tight and get my heart racing.
	You know, like a hunt for Red October or even a Romance in the Stone.
	That's like an action movie that gets me going.
	Here, and what about the ending?
	Dude, the ending was so flat.
	Oh, yeah, his dad's a success and blah, blah, blah.
	And Biff's polishing the car.
	And then he says, just get in my DeLorean.
	We don't need no highway.
	It's kind of like, really?
	Is that the ending?
	Well, at the time, the flying car visual effect was actually pretty spectacular.
	I will agree with you that there wasn't as strong as a distinction that was needed, I think, between the beginning of the film and the end of the film for you to really understand that they had become wealthy and successful.
	You had to watch it multiple times to really understand that ending.
	As a kid, I didn't really follow that, actually.
	So that I don't think worked as well as it could have.
	But yeah, the ending with the DeLorean.
	Look, this whole movie In the 80s, there was this whole thing about the 1950s, right?
	Like today, we have a kind of nostalgia for the 1980s.
	Well, in the 80s, they had a nostalgia for the 50s and maybe the early 60s.
	And there was a show called Quantum Leap.
	That's the other time travel program that really did time travel excellent, is this show called Quantum Leap.
	And they were always going back to the 50s.
	Always.
	Why?
	Because the adults at the time, the 30-year-olds, the 40-year-olds at the time, Reminisced about the 50s as if it was this sort of like perfect time because it's the time they grew up as kids and it kind of was in many ways and this film better than any other project in the 1980s captured that essence of the 1950s so well, you know and it did it I think in a pretty fair way where it showed that yes, it was somewhat idyllic and
	But then also, like, his mom, who pretends that she was a goody two-shoes in the 50s, actually was drinking and smoking as well, you know?
	So everybody wasn't perfect in the 1950s, like they try to say, but also people weren't as vicious and nasty as they say.
	Like, today, one thing I really don't like about the way that we reminisce about the old days today is that They pretend that everything was a veneer.
	Everything positive is a veneer.
	And everybody was like a sexual deviant in the 1950s and stuff like that.
	And let me just tell you, my dad grew up in the 50s.
	And when I used to go back to my grandma's house, all the stuff that we used to have, like all the board games and everything, or from like the early 60s in the late 50s, because that's kind of when all of the kids left the house.
	And so traveling to my grandma's house was like a time capsule, like going back in time.
	And I can tell you, my family, my grandparents and my uncles and aunts and my father, they were basically a perfect 1950s family.
	They did have those strong Christian ethics.
	And even my mom's family, who wasn't even religious, they were atheists, or at least agnostic.
	And they were still good people.
	Why?
	Because at the time there was a sort of fundamental understanding of the United States.
	Just be a good person.
	There was a moral code.
	There was a moral requirement.
	Shame was a real thing.
	It existed.
	And you know, you would be judged on your moral turpitude if you didn't stand up to those standards.
	Alright, you're getting closer, you're getting closer.
	We're making movies again with Chris Coles.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	All right, you mentioned morality, you mentioned, you know, Christian ethics.
	One thing that kind of, my wife and I, we went, whoa!
	What happened there?
	Do you remember when he gets in the car at the beginning and Doc's showing him how to set the flux capacitor?
	And he says, you can choose any date and time to go back to, like the birth of Christ.
	Yeah, no, that struck me as well, this time watching it, because it's so absent from cinema today.
	I know, I was like, my gosh, this was made in a different time.
	All right, we've got a couple of minutes left.
	I will give you one concession, one concession alone.
	I must have liked this movie a little bit.
	Because I was stuck in England in the 1980s where nobody had any of these.
	You couldn't even buy them.
	And I was obsessed with getting that red down vest.
	I wanted one really bad, Chris, and I still want one.
	Well, it's a good look, actually.
	And this kind of vest came back, I think, in like 2008, 2009, that kind of era.
	With a fisherman's jumper, right?
	With the Irish fisherman's shawl-neck jumper.
	Right.
	Everybody was wearing that.
	And what's funny is because, I guess, like the way things are today, you could dress like Doc, you could dress like Marty.
	You could, you know, and actually nobody would really notice.
	We live in such a weird time now with like Amazon.
	You can order anything you want.
	And so the movie is actually more timeless today than it was 20 years ago.
	Right.
	You can get whatever you want on Etsy as well, my gosh.
	If you're into movies, do not go onto Etsy.com.
	Do not.
	I warn you now, cut up your credit cards and do not go onto Etsy.com.
	I'm filming a TV show right now.
	I'm helping out, get the props, and my gosh, the things from your childhood you can find that people have made, remade, like, don't put in Raiders of the Lost Ark onto Etsy, and the word props, because you will not come out of that rabbit hole.
	Well, my bigger problem is eBay.
	Oh, eBay's deadly.
	eBay's deadly.
	I didn't even want to mention that.
	All right, all right, all right.
	We've got a couple of seconds left.
	The other two movies, your take, the sequels?
	Oh, well, you know what?
	What's interesting is that for a long time, people looked at the third movie as another classic, like as brilliant as the first, but that the second movie was more of a sort of transitional film between the two of them.
	But when I was a kid, I absolutely loved that second film.
	I loved it just as much as the third one.
	The first one best, obviously, but the second and third one I love equally.
	I think they had brilliantly written scripts.
	Yes, the second one is a sort of transition to the third film, and the third film is a pretty close sort of copy of the first film.
	They reference so much from the first film.
	But it's set in the Old West, and it really is a time travel story.
	And it's just beautifully done.
	And they reference, I think it's Good, Bad, and the Ugly, where he's got the pan underneath his vest and kind of copies that.
	And I love that kind of thing.
	I love how he references another old movie that he's watched.
	And, yeah, so here's the second film where he, like, takes the girl's scooter and turns it into, like, a hoverboard, which then comes back in the third film.
	And there's just so many brilliant little moments and everything.
	And, yeah, these are cartoons, but they're great cartoons.
	And as they noted in the making of, by the third film, he was already suffering from Parkinson's.
	You can actually see it when he's running down the high street.
	He actually limps when he's being chased.
	He didn't tell anybody, but Michael J. Fox already knew that he had Parkinson's disease.
	Let's just remember that this guy did what he did whilst suffering from what he was suffering from.
	Alright, not bad, not bad.
	Popcorn movies, popcorn movies.
	Not amazing, not perfect, but Romance of the Stone is better.
	Alright, so next movie I get to choose.
	Yeah.
	Are you ready?
	Yep, I'm ready.
	I'm fascinated.
	I can't wait to hear it.
	We need a drum roll.
	Come on.
	We've got to have a drum roll in the sound box or something.
	Thank you.
	We'll have an illusory drum roll.
	I think we've got to do it.
	We've got to do Lethal Weapon.
	What do you think?
	Oh, you have made me a very happy man.
	You have made me a very happy man.
	Richard Donner, Mel Gibson.
	Love Richard Donner.
	All right.
	We're going to do it.
	Of Lethal Weapon.
	Lethal Weapon.
	In the meantime, you know what to do, guys.
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