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Doug Collins LIVE: Last call for elections in Georgia, and liberal hypocrisy

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	�� This is America First, and we are delighted to welcome our very special guest host, former Congressman Doug Collins.
	You're listening to America First.
	All right, everybody.
	Good afternoon, everybody.
	This is Doug Collins filling in for The Good Doctor.
	Dr. Gorka, America First Radio.
	Glad to have you riding along for the next three hours with us.
	We're going to have a good time together.
	We've got lots of stuff to talk about.
	Some great guests will be joining us along the way.
	We've got Michelle Tafoya.
	We've got Tom Holmans.
	We've got Sarah Carter.
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	We'll have a good time today as we've got lots going on down here in Georgia.
	We're in the last election.
	It seems like Georgia decides that we want to be the trail end of every election cycle.
	So we're doing it again down here and tomorrow is a very important day as we look ahead.
	End of this cycle.
	And it's important in a lot of ways.
	And now everybody can say that, you know, this race doesn't mean anything.
	The Democrats are going to take or have kept control of Washington, D.C.
	But let me just break this down just a little bit here.
	Yes, the Democrats are going to keep control, but the Republicans have taken control of the House.
	By the way, we're going to spend some time talking about that a little bit later today in the show.
	But this actually matters in the Senate because right now they're under a power sharing agreement with the Republicans.
	In other words, it's 50-50.
	Of course, the Vice President Harris breaks the tie.
	But in committees, each committee is lined up in a 50-50 votes.
	So you would have, there would actually be votes in which the committee is tied.
	That means that they have to then bring it to the floor if they want it and they have to have another vote on the floor.
	It's a lot of procedural hurdles.
	It is something Chuck Schumer has had to deal with for the last two years.
	It's something that we want to continue to see him have to deal with because it slows up and even stops some of their, the Biden agenda from getting through.
	And it also keeps Manchin, Sinema, these others in check who have said, you know, you're not just going to run roughshod over some of these rules.
	We're going to have a say here in filibuster issues and other things.
	That makes it more hard.
	If you take and get Warnock back that seat, making them the 51st Senate.
	And out of the state and coming from Georgia.
	And then you dilute the power of the two who said we'll never have the filibuster change, which actually continues to provide some sort of a was a beacon against the Biden administration, which now is also helped in the sense we do have the House.
	So what does it mean?
	It means that there's got to be people down here in Georgia who actually get out to vote.
	Let's take this.
	Let's go backwards for a little bit.
	I know Dr. Corker, who is, by the way, in Israel, making us say much prayers and thoughts for them as they have a wonderful trip over there during this time.
	But he'll be back.
	And I know we've been talking about this for the last, you know, month since this, the general election happened.
	Walker-Warnock is an interesting race.
	It's an interesting race on multiple levels.
	Let me just break this down for you.
	It's an interesting race in the sense that the two candidates have depended on their base for their support, and both of them have had at times trouble reaching across to the independent voter or reaching across to the, quote, voter who doesn't have a preference, who are willing to split their ticket, which we did see a good bit of down here in Georgia in this cycle.
	In the race, Warnock was only able to basically tag the base Democrats.
	In other words, he took Democrats, and that's all he took.
	After spending literally, I think it's up to 300 million plus in this cycle, in this race, he still could not get over 50%.
	Now, I want you to think about that for a minute.
	If you're listening here on America First, we deal in reality.
	And reality is, the Democrats have to look at Warnock and say, what's the problem here?
	Why can he not relate to the base enough to get us, like we just saw just a little bit ago, a situation in which, you know, we actually won these two seats.
	Now, I am one who argues vociferously about the fact that Georgia has not turned purple.
	I am sick of the narrative.
	I'm tired of the narrative.
	Have we gotten closer in some races depending on the candidates?
	Yes.
	Has Georgia inherently turned from a center-right state?
	No.
	And a heck no.
	No, we haven't at this point.
	But it keeps getting the narrative.
	Why is that narrative out there?
	Because the narrative wants it to be there.
	They want to see Stacey Abrams as the patron saint of Democratic turnout.
	They want to see her as the next, you know, big thing coming out.
	And by the way, you know what Stacey Abrams is?
	She's a two-time loser in Georgia.
	Yes, two times, Stacey.
	You lost both times.
	And you're now lost this time even further, meaning that you didn't even have what you had a few years ago coming back into this cycle.
	All down the list.
	The Republicans won their races, 52-51, a few a little bit closer, but by hundreds of thousands of votes.
	It went back to Georgia as normal.
	If you do not know Georgia politics, people begin to believe that we are, in essence, a state like Mississippi or Oklahoma or others in which you see 60-65% statewide results for Republicans.
	We've never had that in Georgia.
	So, this narrative that was out this morning and things like Politico and others, oh, if Warnock wins, it's a purple state.
	No, it's not!
	Quit going there, folks.
	That's why you tune in to America First.
	That's why you tune in to Dr. Gork.
	That's why you're here with me, Doug Collins, filling in today.
	Because we're going to give you the truth.
	Now, if you can't handle the truth, that's another problem that you'll have to deal with on another show, maybe a call-in show, whether it's a doctor or somebody, and you can have your feelings adjusted there.
	Not here.
	What we have here is the reality that Georgia is still a competitive state when the people don't have a connection to the candidates in which they are looking at voting.
	Now I'm saying this in honesty.
	Warnock couldn't get past the base and in many ways Walker was having trouble reaching those that joined the base of Republicans, which gave the election to Kemp and Burt Jones and many others, all the Republicans on the statewide ticket.
	And that's why he finished with a 200,000 vote deficit on the general election day.
	What's gotta happen now is that Republicans have to show up.
	Here's my biggest concern, and if you're listening in Georgia, or you're listening across the country, and you have friends in Georgia, please get on the phone, because Georgia weather right now is bad.
	Okay?
	It's rainy.
	It's cool.
	It's rainy.
	And people, I mean, I can see it now.
	They're gonna, that voter who said, well, I don't know if I want to go wait in the rain, or I don't know if I want to go take time, they're gonna look out there and they may not go.
	Folks, We have the ability to keep the power-sharing agreement in the Senate with a Walker victory.
	We also have a time, and this is not talked about enough, we can now begin to set the table for 2024, not only for the presidential race, but for the Senate.
	The Senate is going to be stacked against the Democrats in this next cycle and with states like Montana, Ohio, and others going to be in play, but they're having to defend almost three-quarters of the seats that are up.
	That means that Republicans have a very real advantage of not only keeping the ones we have, but picking up seats in certain states.
	If we can keep Georgia, that's one less seat we have to go out and win in two years to take full control back over of the Senate.
	That would lead us to taking over the Republican back in the White House and hopefully taking and getting bigger than a four-seat majority in the United States House.
	This is just where we are right now.
	So look, I'm laying this out.
	Walker's camp, the staff have done a good job.
	They've done all they can do.
	They're getting outspent, you know, three and four times to one on the campaign side.
	They're getting spent two to one on outside money that is deluged here into Georgia.
	Look, you know, in just a little bit we're going to talk about Angel Tree and it's a great cause.
	I'm going to tell you more about how you can get into that and all those donations.
	But you know, it is amazing to me, if Democrats gave to charities, it seems like as much as they give to political campaigns, it would be a whole different cycle.
	In Georgia and across the country, we saw Democrats through ActBlue and other dark money sites give more money to Democrat candidates than most Republicans could raise.
	I'm going to give you an example.
	And this is why Walker's race and the Warnock race is tight and why Walker is having to overcome.
	It is a simple issue of saying, if you put $14 million into a race against Marjorie Taylor Greene, you got a problem.
	So here we are.
	We'll be back here.
	We're getting started on the America First with Dr. Gorka's show.
	I am Doug Collins filling in for Dr. Gorka.
	Thank you.
	You're listening to America First.
	With special guest host, former Congressman Doug Collins.
	Ah!
	All right, we're home!
	We're home where I'm ready to go.
	Here on America First, Doug Collins filling in for Dr. Gorka, who is off in Israel on his trip.
	Let me finish up.
	I got a couple, we got some callers waiting.
	I want to finish up on the thought that I had and some of the lessons here in Georgia.
	And let's take this and parse this for just a minute.
	One of the things is that you've got to understand Republicans, and especially if you're in Georgia, and I know we're talking across country, and I said if you've got friends in Georgia, they've got to get out and vote.
	And I think that's the problem we saw in the runoff last two years ago in January of 21.
	We saw a significant decrease in Republicans not going to vote.
	And look, I get it.
	The Senate's not in play anymore.
	It's not the grand, hey, we're going to flip and kick Schumer out.
	But there is importance in making sure that they don't have that 51st vote.
	And so for Republicans, they've just got to turn out.
	Walker's campaign, you know, being outspent, everything else.
	I mean, you know, excuses, you got to get out and play.
	But, you know, it's also now it comes down to the voters, as a good friend of mine used to say, you don't, the candidate doesn't get to pick the issues, the candidate doesn't get to pick the, what the voters care about.
	In the end, it is the voters who get a say.
	And that's where we have to simply, you know, look at it from that perspective and go forward.
	and deal with it.
	So as we look ahead to where we're heading in this campaign, um, you got 24 hours, uh, you know, really before we're almost done and we got to get the votes out and at Georgia is still an inherently red state.
	We saw it up and down the ticket.
	Um, my hope is that people show back up, uh, as we get going.
	All right, let's take a, we got a few calls here, Greg in Pittsburgh.
	Yeah, I would ask the question.
	Good, good, doing good.
	Hey, I just want to ask a question.
	If you were to ask, say, the governor of Georgia, ask him a question, which would be, how do we know all this early balloting is legit?
	How do we know the total number on the early balloting before the actual election day?
	What percentage of that is phony ballots or ballots that are filled out in duplicates or ballots filled out people don't even live in the state anymore?
	Is there anybody checking into that stuff?
	Yeah.
	Well, first off, let me ask you a question first and I want to get back to it.
	And is what is the feeling?
	Cause you're calling from Pittsburgh.
	What's the feeling in Pennsylvania now after what just happened up there?
	Is it, is it cause I'm curious, cause I have a lot of friends on both sides there.
	What's the general overall feeling?
	And I'll answer your question after that.
	Well, you have, you have people call it, people have asked me, you know, I've been in the Naval defense industry for, for 30 years.
	Like, what's wrong with Pennsylvania?
	Well, you know, they had early voting for whatever long it was, two months or whatever it was.
	That early voting, before they even had the debate between, say, Fetterman and Oz, you know, I personally do not believe that all of the early voting is legit.
	The answer is that Democrats get out and they stuff the ballot box.
	They got out and voted.
	Well, let me ask you a question.
	Thank you for calling, Greg.
	I appreciate you calling in.
	And to answer your question, Greg, I think the biggest thing down here is that last year, Georgia tightened up a great deal of the voting.
	It was called Jim Crow 2.0.
	I mean, the left went nuts.
	That's how you knew it was good.
	Didn't want any part of it.
	I mean, we lost the All-Star game out of it.
	We gained a World Series title out of it, but we'll take that.
	But I mean, at a certain point in time, when you look at the ballots, you look at what happened, and you look at just the previous couple elections that we've had since SB202, which was the bill last year that was passed, there's not been those questions.
	We're now counting ballots.
	We know how many hourly ballots have came in.
	We know how they're being counted.
	And frankly, for those of us who actually watched the general election four weeks ago, we were shocked at how quickly the votes came in in places like Fulton County, DeKalb County, and Cobb County, which are historically terrible about turning in votes.
	And those votes actually came in, and we really haven't heard either side.
	I mean, except for, you know, in Cobb County, there is an issue where they didn't send out some ballots.
	But, again, those are being adjudicated.
	Those were, you know, the things that you see that do come up.
	But in the very heart of it, the SB202 bill did a lot to curtail the drop boxes, curtail, you know, how we're sending out.
	We didn't send out a ballot to everybody, a request for a ballot like we did in 2020.
	So a lot of that, I think that's how you actually get it to the point of it not being You know, it's a question.
	We didn't have any questions.
	Just like Florida, and I'll give the example of Florida.
	Florida was an absolute dumpster fire in 2000.
	In the election in 2000, for those of you who don't remember, that was the hanging chads.
	I mean, that was everything.
	It was just an absolute, you know, unequivocal dumpster fire.
	And they began to put into place, you know, controls.
	They know how many ballots.
	I mean, they did this over time.
	And over the past three cycles down, four cycles down in Florida, I mean, they've been called very early.
	Nobody questions, you know, if they're close, they do their recounts, but there's inherently a perceived fairness in the election cycle.
	And frankly, Governor DeSantis actually took care of Broward County and, you know, made them say, hey, you're going to have to play by the rules that are out there.
	So I think that's the same thing you're seeing in Georgia.
	And we'll see how it comes out tomorrow.
	But here's the other thing, and I'm going to say this, and Republicans, you like it, don't like it, whatever.
	You've got to show up to vote, and you've got to use the rules that's in place.
	If you want to have your vote counted, you go and vote, and if you don't think that you can make it on day of, then why are you waiting until the day of to go vote?
	And if you want to turn in, you'll get a paper ballot where you can actually do it, you know, in an absentee, then get it.
	We have no excuse absentee voting down here in Georgia.
	Go do it, but get your vote out and don't depend on day of.
	And I think that's a problem that we see, uh, you know, coming along, uh, in a part of this.
	All right.
	Thanks Greg for calling, uh, Mark in Cleveland.
	Mark, welcome to the America first show Doug Collins.
	Thank you.
	I was just wondering, we haven't seen any comment, at least I haven't heard or seen any comments from Uh, Donald Trump regarding having, um, you know, total losers like Kanye Fuentes and Milo at a dinner party.
	And he hasn't, number one, he hasn't apologized for having them.
	Number two, he hasn't said, you know, that these guys are complete jerks.
	Why?
	He has no chance of winning.
	Let me just tell you something.
	He has absolutely no chance of winning if he You know, this is the Jewish community.
	Yep.
	Alright, Mark, I mean, number one, you know, thanks for calling.
	I appreciate your call in.
	You know, look, Donald Trump is going to have to decide how he handles this.
	So far, you know, as I said, he chose to answer it the way he did.
	He didn't know who they were.
	But let me just be very frank, from my perspective, you know, that anti-Semitism has no place.
	Period.
	Full stop.
	Done.
	Gone.
	You know, get rid of it.
	If that's where, you know, this is not the part of the Republican Party.
	Shouldn't be a part of the Republican Party.
	Shouldn't be a part of any party.
	Let me just be very frank with that.
	Donald Trump's got to figure out how he wants to handle that.
	I hope it never happens again.
	I hope that there is staff around him that never would, you know, look at that from the perspective going forward.
	But he also, you know, he's got to, he'll have to address it as time goes on.
	I've been one to never do that for anybody else.
	He'll need to do that.
	I think he will.
	I mean, his record on Israel and, you know, moving the embassy, I mean, the work that's been done there, it can stand on its own.
	So, as you look at this, you know, again, that's it.
	From my standpoint, if you are anti-Semite, then please remove yourself from anywhere near me.
	That is not going to happen.
	You know, racism in all forms, both sides, is not acceptable.
	That's just not acceptable as who we are as a people.
	So, anyway, we got to get going on this process here in Georgia.
	This is what our election is about.
	We've got to get back to winning hearts and minds of those that are out there.
	How you do that?
	You get out there and talk about the issues.
	You get out there and talk about what people matter.
	People matter.
	So when people matter, they care about what they want to care about.
	We've got to make sure as Republicans, we're not talking over them.
	We're actually talking about the needs.
	That's where we're going to do it.
	Hey, 30 minutes into this thing.
	We still got two hours and a half.
	Doug Collins filling in for Dr. Gorka, who is in Israel.
	We have the great Michelle Trefoya still left to come this hour.
	You don't want to miss it.
	Be back here in just a minute.
	Thank you.
	First, with special guest host, former Congressman Doug Collins.
	All right, we're back.
	Back in black.
	That's where we are today.
	We're back in black.
	We're back on a Monday before the election down here in Georgia.
	Lots going on.
	Doug Collins filling in for Dr. Gorka today.
	Glad to have you riding along.
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	Also coming in today though it is a special time we are in that time of the year and believe it or not can you believe it I can't really Christmas is exactly 20 days from today so you'll spend much of this week putting up your holiday decorations shopping those last-minute gifts so you can ship them in time for Christmas or if you're at my house we've been decorated now for about a My bride loves it.
	But you know, all of this is a big job, but it's not as big as what's facing Prison Fellowship's Angel Tree team as they put the finishing touches on the arrangement to make Christmas special for over 1.7 million Angel Tree kids who have a mom or dad in prison.
	People like this Angel Tree volunteer in South Carolina are already hard at work because they know that every prisoner's child deserves to experience the love of Christ on December 25th.
	These kids are, they're special and they didn't ask for this to happen to them.
	This letter came this week and she looked at that tag and she said, my daddy gave me a gift and he loves me.
	It just means everything.
	It's Christmas!
	Oh, it is Christmas.
	And folks, if there's never a more reason, giving is this part of the season.
	It should be all year round.
	Angel Tree, though, provides that.
	Well, it will be if you is, and it's Christmas.
	If you remember, it's just 20 days from today.
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	Again, simply go to SebGorka.com and just click on the Angel Tree banner or phone your gift to 888-206-2794.
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	And make this Christmas special for a prisoner's child right here in America.
	And let me just add to that for Dr. Gorka and Seb in this.
	Folks, one of the best things that was said in there when you heard that was, is these children didn't choose this.
	And folks, people make mistakes.
	People are in jail and their families.
	I mean, it is called in the compassion for our faith and especially those of us as we celebrate Christmas is that is the giving of Christ.
	Christ gave to us, we give to others, and you know, having people like that, it makes a big difference because that gift may be the thing that lets that child see there is a hope and a future in what may be otherwise a pretty bleak Christmas time.
	So go be a part of that as we get into this.
	I want to switch gears here a little bit.
	We're going to have Michelle Tafoya coming up here in the next segment.
	I wanted to spend some time With that, one of the things, though, that we're going to spend some time as the show progresses, but I wanted to hit it.
	And that is this Twitter files that Elon Musk came out with.
	And I'm not going to dig into the details.
	You can go look it up for yourself.
	I want to hit the highlights here of what I see is the problem.
	And this Twitter file issue shows what many of us have been screaming for for a long time in Congress, that the relationship Between especially the Democrats, but also in fairness, there is some discussion about Republicans manipulating a social media platform to keep either information away from people or make others look better than they should.
	And the reality is that the social media platform should have been a place in which you have a everybody can go and free speech is there in the sense that you can put out what you want in a in an environment that lets your views, your voice be heard.
	And when you have a Twitter hierarchy that was completely giving to all Democrats, they were censoring stuff like the Hunter Biden laptop.
	This, this is an issue that needs to be, you know, we're going to discuss.
	We're going to talk about it.
	I wanted to get this in early.
	Um, uh, before, uh, Michelle Tafoya comes on, we've got some others, but folks think about this, the, and, and don't hand me this.
	We'll just do away with section two 30 altogether.
	No section two 30 is just part of the issue here.
	And it's not the whole issue.
	So we've got to look at this in a perspective of saying, um, You know, what can be done to make sure that it is an open platform and that these social media platforms are not becoming newspaper editors in essence by editing what is out there, what you will see, what you don't see.
	If they do that, they're opening themselves up for libel, they're opening themselves up for scandal.
	This is the problem that we have.
	Folks, we still got it going on here on America First.
	Glad to have you with us.
	Doug Collins rocking us with us while Dr. Gorka is out.
	We'll be back with Michelle Tafoya when we get back.
	We'll be back.
	All right, we're back here, everybody.
	Glad to have you going along with us.
	Remember the numbers, 833-334-6752, 833-33 Gorka, if you want to join in.
	But right now, we're going to a, he's become a good friend.
	We have, we're a part of the newer members of the Salem faculty here in our podcasting world, Miss Michelle Tafoya.
	I love that you call us faculty.
	is keeping everything together on Sunday Night Football and for all of that for years and bringing excellence.
	Now she has taken that to a different level, talking about everyday life and just the common sense.
	Michelle, it's glad to have you on America First today.
	I love that you call us faculty.
	That's very smart.
	I was trying to find a robe, but nobody would give me one, sir.
	I want my graduation robe.
	I want to be a faculty member.
	I'm going to put some reading glasses on just for this segment, even though you can't see me.
	Well, look, you got into sort of the commentary on not only politics, but the things going on.
	Tell first, number one, tell people about your podcast and then what sort of the atmosphere up there in Minnesota that got you into this?
	Yeah, I live in Minnesota.
	This is a kind of a wacky state when it comes to politics.
	It's the state that elected Jesse Ventura governor.
	It's the state that multiple times elected Al Franken as a senator.
	I can't say that I voted for either one of them.
	I did not.
	But it's a state where you would think that common sense reigns supreme.
	But the DFL, which is the name for our Democrat Party, continues to win and dominate certain races.
	And it did again.
	And so anyway, I've been living here since 1994, and I just am really tired of the politics nationwide and certainly here locally as well.
	So it was time for me to leave the sidelines.
	I tried to do it back in 2018, but they kept leading me back in again, just stringing me along.
	So I did the Super Bowl last February, and then I left because I needed To be part of a bigger conversation.
	And frankly, when you're on the number one show on television in primetime, it's not a good idea to spew politics on the side because it just brings some controversy.
	So I knew I had to separate myself from the show if I wanted to follow through with my own voice.
	And that's what I've done.
	Well, that is it.
	Sideline Sanity is the name of the podcast and it's been worth listening to.
	What's been one of the most, if you had to sit back now as a, not only as someone who is very public, very much in the public eye, knowing, you know, now able to express yourself, what is the thing that you're seeing that if you had to say, and there's so many out there, that disturbs you the most about the body politic in America right now?
	It just seems to be leaning authoritarian.
	I don't say that not knowing what authoritarianism is.
	I do know what it is.
	And it just seems that speech has been stifled.
	And we see it.
	You know, you can say Twitter is a private company, but the bombshells that we got over the weekend about a campaign and then a presidency communicating directly with Twitter and goodness knows what other platforms To stifle some speech to put out some fires that for their own benefit is really frightening.
	I see a lack of accountability on so many levels.
	There seems to be two systems of justice in this country and that irks me no end.
	That certain people in power don't seem to pay the price for what the average Joe would be thrown in the slammer for.
	So those are some things the border really bothers me.
	It feels as though This administration does not take seriously the responsibility of protecting a nation.
	And, you know, we can talk about who needs relief, who needs to come here, who should not come here, all of those things.
	It starts with strong border policy, which we just don't have.
	And the numbers right now are astonishing.
	So that's another one that has really got me alarmed.
	It feels Doug, like, things are just out of control.
	It feels insane.
	It feels upside down.
	That's why I started sidelining sanity, that word being critical.
	I'm just trying to have normal conversations.
	Well, I think, Michelle, one of the things that's interesting, because you have a family, you're growing up, is you had the ability to take that voice that you had, you know, from your previous, you know, world, bring it to this podcast.
	How can we make people who, you know, they may not have a podcast, they may not, you know, be in a very public job.
	What is the thing, and this is what I've been encouraging people, is they think that there's not a voice, but starting at the lowest level, you know, just making an active part in your community, your school boards, your schools, your county commissions.
	That's a way for people to take a part in this.
	Well, someone was reminding me earlier, too, that the voices, when our voices come together and make enough noise, things can change.
	We have that misinformation board that was about to be established in the Department of Homeland Security with the woman who sang all the songs and stuff.
	And people went crazy and said, there is no way you can do this.
	The uproar was loud enough from the saner voices in the world that they dismantled the idea.
	So people have to continue to feel as though their voice does matter.
	Because when you want to add all these voices together, it makes a very, very powerful voice.
	It's just like a vote.
	Really, and we hope, right?
	So I just encourage people to remember that it's their life here, and they've got to be courageous about it.
	They can't just fall in line and do what the public seems to suggest they should do.
	They've got to think for themselves, be proud of their values and their opinions, and use them, and not be afraid of that.
	What's scary to me is, and I've had friends tell me, I'd love to repost what you just posted on Twitter, but I'm afraid of losing my job.
	I mean, that's unbelievable!
	Yep.
	Well, and I think that's where we're coming out in this as we go forward, is there's got to be a time in which we understand that there's got to be civil discourse.
	There has to, there has to be those kinds of things.
	Michelle, real quickly before we get going, thank you for taking the time to come on America First Day.
	Tell everybody where you, as part of the Salem faculty, where can they find Sideline Sanity and tell us if you've got some guests coming up that they may be interested in.
	You know what?
	Anywhere you download your podcast, you can find it.
	MichelleTafoya.com is another place you can go to find it.
	It's Michelle with one L. But Sideline Sanity is the name of the podcast.
	Just Google it.
	We've had some great guests in the past.
	We have good guests coming up.
	My mind is a wall right now with names.
	So just go check it out.
	And down the list of names we've had, we've had Bob So go check it out and thanks for allowing me to promote that.
	I appreciate it.
	Michelle, thanks for everything.
	Look forward to seeing you on, listening to you on Sideline Sandy.
	Folks, we got almost an hour in the books.
	Come back.
	I got a special surprise for you here in just a minute on America First.
	Doug Collins filling in for Dr. Gorka.
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	All right, real quickly, we got a couple things.
	I'm gonna get to Tom in Atlanta here in just a minute.
	But you know, sometimes, you know, you just have to You know, they just got to throw a little humor into a Monday.
	So, you know, I just think about this, and you have the best of the dad jokes.
	We're going to have these at the end of the hour.
	The first one was my wife and I were having an argument about the laundry.
	She won.
	I folded.
	All right.
	Next up here.
	I mean, come on.
	At least the guys in the back could have laughed at it.
	Here we go.
	Tom in Atlanta.
	You're on America first.
	Yes, I want to know if you believe that we as Republicans must start getting our act together and acting more in unison like the Democrats. - Right.
	Yes!
	I mean, Tom, I don't say acting like Democrats in the sense of policy or anything, Tom, but making sure that we have a coherent policy.
	This is the thing that I've talked about, and Tom, I'm glad you brought this up, and thanks for giving a call.
	Let me ask you, because we've got a short segment here, but what Tom just brought up is important.
	We only have a certain amount of I mean, we only have a very small majority.
	Let's be frank with it.
	We only have a certain amount that we can...
	Deal with and so that means that if we're to actually get something done And I've said this over and over and over again if you cannot get 218 votes to pass something Then you're simply making speeches.
	You're simply making yourself a YouTube superstar or a Twitter superstar or a You know truth superstar, whatever you call it, but at the end of the day Every hill, and I'm going to be very frank here, and if it offends you, get on the phone and call.
	That's what you know.
	We'll have a whole couple of hours to do this.
	But we've got to get issues in which not everything is a hill to die on.
	We've got to get the most conservative thing that we can push through what will be a divided Congress.
	When you have the Senate in Democrat control, you still have a Democrat in the White House.
	We've got to push and use every bit of leverage.
	But that means we all have to come together.
	That means that some of us are not going to get what we want.
	This is not kindergarten anymore.
	This is not participation trophy.
	You don't just get what you want simply because you stomp your feet loud enough.
	The people don't want to hear that.
	The people do not want to be a part of simply watching us, you know, say, here's what we're going to do and never come together with a solution.
	Is it going to mean that we're going to get everything we want?
	No, but I am a full believer.
	Now, hear me clearly.
	Republicans in the House ought to come through with the most conservative package that they can because they run as a conservative party.
	And then you then move from that negotiation into getting the most that you can.
	And be then like Ronald Reagan who come back and said, I'll get 80% of what I want now, but I'll come back and get the 20% that I need later.
	We've got to be a part of that.
	If we're not going to, Tom, you've hit it perfectly.
	People are going to ignore us, they're going to write us off, and we can't afford that.
	It is one hour in the books here on America First.
	Doug Collins filling in for Dr. Sebastian Gorka who is away in Israel.
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	Hey everybody, it's Doug Collins filling in for Dr. Gorka here on America First.
	We got a second hour coming at you.
	You know, the administration may not be able to find where the border is at, but I know somebody who does.
	Tom Holmes is going to be with us.
	We're going to talk about the impeachment, hopefully of Mayorkas, if he doesn't go ahead and quit.
	Plus your calls.
	Lots still left to go here on the America First broadcast.
	Doug Collins filling in for Dr. Gorka.
	Thank you.
	The This is America First, and we are delighted to welcome our very special guest host, former Congressman Doug Collins.
	Alrighty, we're back here, hour number two on America First, going out all across the country.
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	Filling in for Dr. Corker, who is in Israel, and we'll be much prayers that they have a wonderful trip out there.
	Want you to be a part.
	Speaking of trips, in the Doug Collins podcast, which is where you normally hear me as part of the Salem faculty, The Doug Collins Podcast, find it anywhere you find your podcasts listed.
	And we're going to be part of a trip to Washington D.C.
	Me and Eric, the travel guy, are going to be taking in the sights of Washington, behind the scenes, some things you've never had a part of.
	April 20th through the 24th of next year, you can go to thedougcollinspodcast.com and
	4 slash DC and find out more about that trip, but I am glad to be filling in today We've had a big first hour Michelle Tafoya was with us in the first hour We had a lot of calls if you want to be a part of the show, I highly encourage you to it's 833-334-6752 833-33 Gorka be a part of the show glad to Take calls and then we're gonna get into some more stuff this hour in fact in just the next segment the the man who?
	Cuts no slack to anyone especially when it comes to I'm good.
	How are you doing, Doug?
	We're doing good.
	God bless Elon Musk.
	and taking care of and telling us why the border is so important.
	Tom Holmans is going to be with us.
	Looking forward to having him.
	But first, before we get to a few other things, Dan in Minnesota is on the line.
	Dan, how are we doing?
	I'm good.
	How are you doing, Doug?
	We're doing good.
	So God bless Elon Musk.
	I hope he can get a civilian freedom award for everything that he's doing to help save this nation right now.
	And I want to ask you what can be done.
	Obviously, Elon Musk is helping.
	Obviously, Twitter is not, God willing, won't be an issue again.
	But what can be done so that other sites like Michelle Tafoya was mentioning, so that we don't have these kinds of authoritarian problems in 2024?
	What can we do to...
	To make this not happen.
	I mean, I think we need criminal penalties to put people in prison for life or even the death penalty.
	This is treason.
	Well, I think the biggest thing here is what we got to have, Dan, and I appreciate you calling in in this is really it sort of sets us up.
	And I'm going to say something, Dan, and I appreciate your word here, because it is.
	I mean, what we're seeing was in kind contributions basically given to the Democrats over this Hunter Biden issue.
	And I was on with a an interview earlier today in which it was me and a Democrat were both online, and the Democrat basically, well, it didn't, you know, this didn't affect anything.
	No, it did affect.
	And I think because we've seen the work that Twitter had done to, especially the Hunter Biden laptop, you know, there's been other things that have been, you know, put out there in mainstream media that has been, you know, put forward on social media, Twitter, Instagram, and the likes and Facebook that, you know, and the likes and Facebook that, you know, have skewed, and the algorithms seem to always come up with the more liberal interpretation.
	That's not what these social media posts are supposed to be about.
	These sites are supposed to be an arbiter of not their own truth, but they're the arbiter of letting people express themselves.
	This is where though I will say there's two points I want to have here.
	The first point is, let me just go into it in a way that I hope you understand and hear me clearly.
	There's some personal responsibility to finding out what is going on in your world.
	Also, as part of that personal responsibility, I believe, one of the reasons I believe you listen to Dr. Gorka, you listen to America First, you listen to me, you listen to our podcast, you're a part of this, is that means that you take sources from all different places, even sources you disagree with, and you say, okay, how does this match up with what's being said here?
	And then you look again to say, okay, how can I match this in other areas of life?
	How do I take this and find what is truth?
	And in doing so, I think this is where we on both sides have really gotten into what I call tunnel vision in deciding what we believe and what we don't believe.
	And hear me clearly.
	I believe that you should be well-read and well-rounded.
	That means that you should read history.
	That means that you should read, you know, websites.
	That means that you should read newspapers, if you can find them.
	It means that you should read magazines.
	You should be a reader.
	A reader is a leader.
	It's an old saying that I used to have, you know, especially with my kids when I used to keep I would coach football, and we also talked about their academics, is being a part.
	And the reason I say this is that I see too many people simply taking a word of X for it.
	Fill in your X, your favorite X. If you're a liberal, it's this X. If you're a conservative, it's this X. Or this network, or this... Look, I will listen to things that I agree with most of the time, but if I'm only doing that, then I have a hard time understanding where the other side is coming from, and also finding maybe areas that I need to sharpen in my own argument.
	So in what's happening here with what we saw in in the social media platform with what you know was just said uh uh you know by Dan here and talking about this is yes they need to be held accountable and this is where I think they can be held accountable they have held it under this section 230 many of you've heard this for many many years
	Section 230 was designed so that you could have the websites and the comment boxes in which people could put what they wanted to put up there without being censored by the, or without holding the owner of that site liable.
	Especially when they were not editing what was being put in there.
	What Twitter and others have done through their algorithms and through just blatantly working with Democrats and working with others in this, and I think you're going to find where they did probably work with some Republicans in this as well, so it's going to be an interesting mix.
	But so far, dealing with this Hunter Biden laptop issue was an in-kind contribution to the Democratic Party by not putting out negative press about what would be that Joe Biden would have to answer to.
	So in looking at this, are we out there actually making sure that we're doing our due diligence?
	The second part is in this section 230, as I just mentioned, is there has to be now accountability in the sense of you're not going to be able to have a social media site in which you decide based on your political preferences or your political leanings, who's going to get seen and who's not going to get seen.
	I've always tried to describe Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, all these others.
	It's like the bulletin board in the dorm room where everybody can go along and say, hey, does anybody have a car for sale?
	Does anybody have a book for sale?
	Do you want to come to this party?
	And what is happening is that was supposed to be the social media platforms.
	And look, there are going to be things which will get you kicked off the bulletin board.
	That is part of this.
	But in looking at this, the question becomes is if the bulletin board itself, I went up and I took a and said, I'm having a party next Friday night at 4 o'clock.
	Dr. Gorka came along a little bit later and put up a say, I'm having a party next Wednesday at two o'clock.
	And then someone else came along and put their party up.
	And then the bulletin board itself decided, well, we're going to, we don't like Doug Collins.
	So we're going to put Doug Collins' party on the back and we're going to put these other two parties on top of them.
	So it's harder to get to.
	At that point, you have become an editor.
	You have become and put yourself into editing what is going on on this platform and thus subject to the libel and other standards out there of defamation that you can be held liable to.
	That's why you have editors in newspapers.
	That's why you have it in the media.
	Why?
	Because they're deciding what they will say and what they will not say.
	This is where it's got to come.
	I know that's a long answer, but it's got to be twofold.
	We have to have personal responsibility to not just simply accept what somebody may say, go check it out for ourselves.
	And then number two, these social media platforms have to be held to an accountability level as we look at this.
	All right.
	The next caller, we have another caller here.
	We have Bill in Texas.
	Bill, how are we doing today?
	Doug, it's nice to talk to you.
	Here's my question, sir.
	You know, when the Christmas guy that ran over those people, he was given bail under due process.
	My question is, the January 6th prisoners in a gulag Like you would find in China.
	Why has this venue not been moved because of the bias towards Trump in the jury pool?
	Isn't that normally a qualification to move the trials out of DC to somewhere else?
	And why has that not happened?
	Yeah, you're right about that, Bill.
	Bill, thanks for calling in.
	Look, here's the problem.
	I don't care what, and please hear me as, and I say this as an attorney, as someone who's represented defendants in cases ranging from a broad range of issues.
	My problem that I'm seeing here now is the longer that they keep without bail, without running these, you know, folks who have been arrested, no matter what you feel about the event itself, the law should be blind to the fact that they take what has been charged, they either prove it in court, they give the information, and they have their day in court, and then they're moved.
	If they need to be moved out of a jurisdiction, then they have those hearings, move them out.
	What's happening now is the longer this is drug out, the longer that these people are being held.
	And for many reasons, I've seen actually murder cases that have moved quicker than some of these cases that are up there now.
	That's where this is going to go long term.
	I think that needs to be investigated.
	Look, let justice go down where it may.
	But it can be quicker.
	It should be quicker.
	This is what has been a part that that is not a good thing.
	So we got to continue to look at it here as we go forward.
	When we get back, Tom Homans is going to be on with us here in just a minute.
	And one of the things that I have said all along is I think there should be robust investigations by the House Republicans into many things that have been going on in the Biden administration.
	One we're going to talk about in a little bit, and that's going to be Afghanistan.
	The Biden laptop is going to come up.
	Other things will come up.
	But one of the areas that needs to be done is our southern border and the absolute dereliction of duty by Mayorkas and others.
	Tom Holmans is going to be with us and we're going to talk about just that when we get back here on America First.
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	I was sharing earlier about an interview I was on in which they were talking about the fallout from the Georgia race down here.
	And the Democrat who I was on with said if we get 51 votes in the Senate, That Kamala Harris will not have to worry about having to come to the, uh, to the Hill to break ties.
	And I just made the comment when it came back to me, I said, well, then maybe she can figure out, find a map and figure out where the Southern border is.
	Um, that didn't sit well too much with the Democrat online, but I really didn't care.
	And I know that my next guest here, one that I've talked to many times, he's a man who shares a deep love for this country, but also a deep love for the guys and gals who are down on the border, uh, serving us every day.
	And that is Tom Holman.
	Tom, glad to have you with us again.
	Thanks for having me, Dave.
	Well, it's a good thing.
	Let's just jump in here, because one of the things we've talked about, and you've been very critical, I've been very critical.
	In fact, I was calling for impeachment for a long time ago on Mayorkas.
	I just am curious a second, because you know him.
	I mean, we've talked about this before.
	Does it surprise you that he just, frankly, just keeps doubling down on stupid?
	Actually, yes, I'm shocked.
	Because when he was Deputy Secretary under Jay Johnson, who I deeply respect, We had a border crisis in 2014 2015 was really out of control.
	Not not not not anywhere near the numbers we have now, but he knew how we how we stopped it in 2015.
	He knows.
	I met with him.
	I met him a hundred times as the attorney commands rights.
	We built detention facilities.
	We detained people.
	We made them see a judge.
	90% of them lose their case because they simply don't qualify for asylum under the rules.
	And we put them on a plane and sent them home.
	And the numbers on the border went down.
	And knowing all that, what's he doing now?
	He's not detaining him.
	They're releasing him without having to see a judge.
	And ICE can't remove him, even if they can order to remove him, because he has decapitated ICE.
	He's doing the exact opposite of what he knew worked in 2015.
	Yeah, well and I think that you know and I've heard that story before because I mean I was there in 2014-15 and you know what's amazing to me is they basically it was demanded of us that we stay in if you remember that summer Congress was getting ready for the normal August break and they kept bringing us back saying no we had to put money we had to do something you know to to begin to stop you know some of this issue at the border.
	Democrats just completely have lost it in that regard.
	But let me ask you a question.
	This is something I get a lot, and I've heard it from some Republicans, that why worry about bringing this to light in knowing that, you know, again, the Senate is going to be in Democrat hands.
	They're never going to do anything about it.
	But but Tom, there is value here.
	And I mean, if they won't bring impeachment, at least bring some censure, but at least have these hearings.
	Mayorkas in the in the Homeland Security Department have to answer for what's going on.
	Don't you feel like that there is value in that not only not from even from a political stance, but from people understanding what's actually going on down at the border?
	Absolutely, because here's the endgame, right?
	I don't know the number, Doug, you probably do.
	The number of Democratic senators up for election in 2024, I think it's over 20.
	It is.
	And we have oversight hearings, which the House can do now since Republicans have control.
	They can subpoena the right people.
	They can subpoena documents.
	And I'll help.
	I've done this for 35 years.
	I can tell you where the bodies are buried.
	If they subpoena the right people, subpoena the right information, it's going to be some very damning information, which is going to show that this administration has done nothing about the border.
	It's also going to show what the effects of historic illegal immigration that overburdened the Border Patrol, where 70 to 80% of agents are pulled off the line because of the surge.
	That's when the fentanyl comes across that killed over 100,000 people.
	That's when the known suspected terrorists come across.
	They've already arrested 116 of them.
	That's when the sex trafficking of women and children go sky high.
	They have oversight hearings.
	Bring out the truth.
	And even the Democrats are going to be in a tough spot to say, OK, maybe I don't support, you know, enforcement immigration law because this crisis has caused a national security issue, a public safety issue, a public health issue.
	They have to take a stand or they won't be reelected.
	So I think it's imperative to have oversight hearings.
	Well, and I think when you have those oversight hearings, it goes into the very issues that you just talked about.
	One of the things, and this has been just so frustrating to me, because you, like, we go on a lot of programs where they'll throw us against a Democrat or whatever, and they want to have this idea These poor people are just seeking asylum.
	They're coming from terrible places in terrible countries and ignoring international asylum law, ignoring the fact that you're supposed to stop in the first safe country coming out, ignoring the fact that the engendered fear of death and fear of your life is the situation caused not by the government but by the social conditions.
	Why is it that so far Democrats have been able to make that sympathetic argument, maybe this is where the hearings are going to come in, but the realization is that what we're doing now is taking them in and over 90 plus percent will never qualify for asylum, but yet we're sending them all over the country.
	And that's where that's where it takes you and me to educate the American people because you're right.
	percent nine out of ten will not qualify for asylum and that's based on the immigration court data because you're not escaping fear and persecution from the home government because race, religion, political affiliation.
	They're coming for better life and I get it but it doesn't qualify for asylum but what people need to understand is if you believe they have a right to claim asylum They have a right to due process.
	Then you also must agree, when a decision is made, those decisions must be carried out.
	Which means that 90% that get order removed must leave.
	And let me tell the people what's happening, since you're not containing them.
	If you look at the Homeland Security Life Suck Report, anybody can look it up, If you get ordered removed and you're in detention, you get removed 99% of the time.
	If you're not in detention and you're an unaccompanied ailing child, you're removed 3% of the time.
	If you're a family unit, you're removed 6% of the time.
	If you're a single adult, you're only removed 16% of the time.
	So that's the problem.
	They're never leaving.
	And they simply don't qualify to lose their case.
	So if you ask someone like Secretary Mayorkas or AOC or anybody on the left, okay, if you believe in due process and rule of law, Yeah, we'll put them in front of a judge, and they'll lose.
	But you have to agree to remove them.
	And that's something Mallorca's isn't doing.
	ICE has the lowest number of removals in the history of the agency, the same year as you have historic illegal immigration, historic denials of asylum claims, and yet nobody's leaving.
	No ways.
	Well, and one of the things is too, and Tom, this was something that bothered me just a few weeks ago, and it came out again.
	The Department of Homeland Security, with all of this going on, with all of the problems coming across the border, agents, you know, morale is in the tank, ICE is in the tank, trying to find agents to fill the jobs is almost impossible.
	And yet, I was seeing reports coming out of Homeland Security and Mallorca's office, basically saying that they were very concerned about making sure that the young immigrants A young, illegal immigrant that's coming across would have access to abortion rights.
	I mean, if they got their lives so screwed, we only got about a minute here, Tom, but I mean, are they that screwed up that they're thinking about abortion rights and we got a national crisis on our hands?
	Look, it's sickening, but here's what the Democrats need to understand.
	Under Joe Biden, we got a record amount of migrant deaths on the border.
	Over 1,400.
	That is record by far.
	Women are being sexually assaulted at a rate of 31%.
	Children are drowning in the river and are victims of sex trafficking.
	Many children have died.
	If they care, if they really truly care about these people, secure the border and save lives.
	That's the way to do it.
	That's straight talk from Tom Holman.
	Tom, thank you so much, buddy.
	It's always good to talk to you.
	You bring the truth and you bring it hard.
	Go have a great afternoon, folks.
	We'll be back here on America First.
	Doug Collins filling in for Seb Gorka.
	We will be back in a minute.
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	You're listening to America First with special guest host, former Congressman Doug Collins.
	Oh yeah, just slow and smooth coming out of Georgia today.
	We got the elections tomorrow.
	Doug Collins filling in for Dr. Gorka, who is off in Israel.
	Glad to have you riding along with us.
	Yes, the Dukes of Hazzard coming up down here.
	A lot of good stuff here as we go.
	I want to pick up on a topic that is, I do not want to let this go, and I'll talk about it every so often.
	It comes, it keeps coming around, and it is where I believe the turning point in the failed Biden administration really ended up, you know, having its greatest Problems and that comes from Afghanistan and the John Kirby who was the Pentagon's or State Department Pentagon spokesman.
	He's now over at the White House anyway, the National Security Council.
	Mike Waltz, good friend of mine, congressman from Florida, Special Forces Army.
	He just sort of lays bare this argument that that we are in a, you know, this position and hearing the administration explain Afghanistan.
	So we're going to hit clip two.
	And I know thousands and thousands of veterans all over the country, when they saw that garbage coming from John Kirby from the White House, they wanted to rip their TV off the wall and throw it out the window.
	It's shameful, it's disgusting, and it's a huge reason why Biden lacks so much credibility now.
	You know, when you stand before the world and the country, and say this was an outstanding success!
	This was great!
	My infant son could have planned a better withdrawal and a withdrawal that made more sense than what they did and the problem with what he's saying now is we have lost our intelligence assets in Afghanistan.
	We don't have a clear picture Yet, we also know that ISIS is rebuilding, Al-Qaeda is rebuilding, and I hope, I guess you're going to have to replay that clip if we have another 9-11 or Pulse nightclub or, God forbid, San Bernardino type attack.
	I mean, Mike is dead on.
	Just like Tom Holmes just in the last segment was dead on about the border, Mike is dead on about this issue.
	And this is one that you cannot, we cannot, I don't care if you're Democrat or Republican, you cannot let them off the hook here.
	The Biden administration orchestrated just a dramatic, terrible failure.
	Leave alone, you know, like, why we left Bagram Air Base.
	Why did we come back into Kabul?
	Leave alone, you know, the fact that we were, you know, just basically said, oh, the, the, you know, the forces, Taliban forces will not be a problem, we'll be able to handle.
	You know, look, and then also don't go back and try and reroute history to say, well, Donald Trump was doing the same thing.
	No, Donald Trump had made it very clear that there were, there were certain conditions and parameters that had to be met, or the troops were going to be left there.
	The problem you've got right now in Afghanistan is just what Mike just said.
	Just like on the border where the after effects are fentanyl and sex trafficking and illegal importation of minors, all this going on down there is all about a border that is not closed for a political agenda.
	The Afghanistan withdrawal has now left the Taliban and the Afghanistan government better Positioned than they were in 2000.
	Uh, in 2001, they're, they're better positioned now with intelligence, with equipment, you know, look, and I hear it all the time where we left $79 billion equipment there.
	Look, we had turned that equipment over to the Afghan army.
	Why?
	Because we thought they could actually defend themselves.
	That's what it was for is to defeat off the Taliban.
	And what we were doing is spending money after money, after money, and every bit of it was coming back.
	null and void because we were not holding it accountable.
	This is what happens when you just throw money at it.
	We did that over several administrations.
	That is one of the problems we have here.
	But when we left that country, now, here we're talking about we don't have assets and we don't have intelligence from this part of the world.
	Wonder why?
	Because we left many of the folks who were helping us there to be butchered.
	This is, look, as someone who served in the Air Force well over 20 years, who has been in the Navy, who knew some of these pilots, who did their job to get as many as they could out of those C-17s and others that were over there getting them out.
	This is disrupting.
	This is the thing that put the, I believe, put the ideas in Russia's head.
	It's put the ideas in China's head because they believe they have an administration who just really, frankly, doesn't give a damn.
	That's the only way I could put it.
	They only want their agenda?
	I mean, this is the same company now that is approving oil leases for Chevron in Venezuela, but yet won't approve digging more oil and drilling for more oil here in the United States.
	The lunacy just continues, folks.
	I don't get it.
	You explain it to me.
	Draw me a picture.
	I'm waiting.
	833-334-6752.
	If there is a liberal willing to admit that the Biden administration's energy policy is screwed up, You're first in line, and that's what I promise.
	Because look, you can't defend this.
	If you want to go beg from Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Iran, and Venezuela, instead of drilling right here, I don't get it.
	What I do know is this.
	Mike's gonna be on.
	He's calling in from Detroit.
	He's gonna be on when we get back here in just a minute.
	But again, you can't let them forget this.
	You cannot hold this accountable.
	We're gonna touch more on this after the call, after the next break.
	We'll see you back in just a minute.
	He was way behind and he was willing to make a deal.
	When he came across this young man sewing on a fiddle and playing it hot, and the devil jumped up on the hickory stump and said, boy, let me tell you what.
	I guess he did.
	All right, Mike's going.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	You're listening to America First with special guest host, former Congressman Doug Collins.
	All right.
	And if you're watching on Rumble Live or you watch it later, you're getting a free intro every time I either get you my, my air drums are going, my, my dance is going.
	It's, it's all there.
	Glad to have you with us today.
	Um, wanted to, let's do this real quick.
	Let's get to Mike in Detroit.
	We're going to continue this conversation.
	Mike, how we doing?
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	You know, I just I lived on the border for years and I can tell you there's been a there's a narco war that is absolutely unbelievable that's been going on for for years and years where hundreds of thousands of people have been killed and it's a black hole of reporting in this country where when a hundred
	More than 100 journalists in Mexico, mostly in Mexico and Central American Triangle, have been murdered reporting on government corruption and cartels while Mika and Joe Schmo and the mainstream media sit on their butts in their offices or whatever.
	And the thing of it is, you've got Kamala flying over our border, which is a disaster area, landing in the Central American Triangle, where these are failed governments with politically corrupt, criminally corrupt, and personally corrupt leadership that blame all of their problems on the United States and dump all the people they don't want on our country.
	And, you know, sooner or later, they're destabilizing the entire region.
	you know, the policy of this administration.
	And one hint of what's going to end up happening here by distributing all these people all over the country is, you know, this bug-eyed mayor of Chicago doesn't seem to understand that if public enemy number one in Chicago isn't Al Capone, it's the head of the Sinaloa cartel, we this bug-eyed mayor of Chicago doesn't seem to understand that if public enemy number one in You know, this is completely...
	Oh, I agree with you.
	And I think what you just hit there, and let's just bring back, you know, some of these cities who are them, like in Chicago, Lightfoot is sending them to the suburbs.
	I mean, you know, there's no compassion here.
	And I think this is for the group that says, oh, we want to help, we want to help.
	You know, I'll never forget, and I know the guys in the shop, it happened about the time, one of the times I was hosting for Dr. Gorka earlier this year, was when they got sent to Martha's Vineyard.
	And if you see the pictures of them being left out of Martha's Vineyard, They're basically hugging them and pushing them onto the bus, like, oh, here's your bag, here's your food, get out of here!
	It happens all the time.
	Thanks for calling, Dave, I appreciate it.
	But the issue here is pretty well, you know, set just the border the same as this Afghanistan story that we were just talking about beforehand.
	And that is that there are consequences of The actions or the problems in the Biden administration, their handling of this has secondary and third, first, second, third tertiary causes that people are just not reporting on.
	And I appreciate the caller, you know, calling in there saying, you know, look, the reporters in Mexico are getting killed about this.
	The cartels are in control.
	And if you think that the cartels are basically stopping at the border, you're a fool.
	I mean, they're not.
	And anywhere in this country that they're sending illegal immigrants, and they're sending them to all 50 states, they're sending them everywhere we go, to every community, and many times these are not going into larger communities, they're sending them everywhere.
	And if you do not believe that the cartel is not embedding people in those, you know, people that they know are going to get sent to different places, then, you know, again, it's hard to help you.
	And again, I made the offer.
	I'll make it again.
	833-334-4... I'm sorry.
	Let's start this over again.
	833-334-6752.
	If you are somebody who believes that the Biden administration has gotten this immigration policy right, or you believe they got the Afghanistan policy right, pick up your phone and call.
	I will devote as long as you want to talk to it because, you know, I would love to hear how you make up a reason that this is good.
	It's just not fair.
	And, you know, to understand this, and let me go back to Afghanistan for just a minute.
	You know, this idea, I mean, think about this from a long-term perspective.
	When Biden decided to just cut and run, and then tried again, I love how they tried to blame it then that it was the same as Donald Trump.
	It was not the same as Donald Trump.
	You know, John Rafka is a good friend of mine.
	We've talked about this.
	It was not the same.
	There were conditions put in place.
	And again, up to 18 months before, the last 18 months before this debacle, there were no Americans killed in Afghanistan in contact.
	There were not.
	But yet it was keeping the Taliban out because they knew that if they came in and they touched the hair of the heads of the Americans who were at Bagram Air Base and other places, that they would be a full-blown issue that they didn't have the capability of dealing with.
	So if they didn't meet the requirements of the targets, then they were going to have to deal with the consequences.
	Not Biden!
	Biden and his administration began walking back and then it was just, I mean, painful to watch.
	Oh, they're not going to get this far.
	And they ended up, you know, 20 miles further and they take this province and this province and this province.
	Oh, no, they're fine.
	We'll contain them.
	And then in the middle of the night, literally in the middle of the night, we leave Bagram Air Base.
	The Afghan army wakes up the next morning.
	This is not a joke.
	I am not exaggerating.
	They wake up and wonder, where did they go?
	You know, it reminds me of the old scene in the original Top Gun where Maverick, you know, Cruise's character's talking to Goose.
	He says, Goose, where'd they go?
	They said, where did who go?
	You know, they don't know where they're at!
	Because they went back into Kabul, into the middle of town, into the middle of the urban area.
	You cannot defend that.
	Bagram was defensible.
	Kabul was not.
	And now, anywhere else we go in the world, anywhere else we try, or anywhere else our units are operating, do you think it's going to be, or the next time the sort of the flag goes up and we get attacked, and we have to go into some of these countries?
	And do you think it's going to be easy to get the native population to help us after they just saw what we just did in Afghanistan?
	I mean, fool them once, you know, but they can be fooled twice.
	They're going to say, we know what's going to happen.
	You Americans are going to come in here and make promises and leave.
	And it had already happened under Obama in Iraq.
	I don't know why this again, I don't know why this again, you know, confused us so badly.
	Obama and Biden both gets out of Iraq and Afghanistan, both in leads to further problems.
	And the rise of ISIS came directly out of the way we got out of Iraq.
	And now, God only knows what's going to come out.
	As Mike Waltz said, you know, ISIS is getting stronger, the Taliban is getting stronger, the Al Qaeda is getting stronger.
	They are because they have a place to be.
	This is why the matters of a president matters.
	That's why putting a strong national defense matters.
	That's why taking us seriously matters.
	And it's also why you listen to America First.
	And this is Doug Collins here filling in for the good doctor.
	He is away in Israel.
	And we'll be back here to finish up the second hour in just a minute.
	Thank you.
	All right, we're back here on America First.
	Doug Collins filling in for Dr. Corker.
	You know, can you believe, I mean, I'm looking at the calendar that I was going through it, and this term for me, the days are long and the years are short, is really beginning, the older I get, the more it applies.
	And can you believe it, that Christmas is only 20 days away?
	Uh, you know, and you're right now, probably if you're like at our household, you're running around, you're putting much of the week, putting up holiday decorations, shopping for those last minute gifts so you can ship them, you know, so they get there in time for Christmas.
	And you know, it's a big job, but it's not as big of a job is, uh, our friends at prison fellowship and know what they're facing with their angel tree team.
	As they're putting the finishing touches on arrangements to make Christmas special for over 1.7 million Angel Tree kids who have a mom and dad in prison.
	People like this Angel Tree volunteer in South Carolina are already hard at work because they know every prisoner's child deserves to experience the love of Christ on December 25th.
	These kids are, they're special, and they didn't ask for this to happen to them.
	This letter came this week, and she looked at that tag, and she said, my daddy gave me a gift, and he loves me.
	It just means everything.
	It's Christmas.
	Well, it will be.
	And remember, it's just 20 days from today, so I need you to go right now to SebGorka.com, SebGorka.com, and click on the Angel Tree banner.
	Please make your most generous gift so we can get each boy and girl a specially selected present and a personalized letter from their mom and dad in prison and a beautiful new Bible.
	$125 blesses 5 kids with all that joy and $25 will bless 1.
	So again, simply go to SebGorica.com, click on the Angel Tree banner, Or, you can phone your gift to 888-206-2794.
	That's 888-206-2794.
	And to make this Christmas special for a prisoner's child right here in America.
	Alright, folks, and again, I'm going to just add my personal thoughts.
	I work with Prison Fellowship.
	These are good people who do good work.
	And, you know, I'll just highly encourage you to be a part of this ministry because that's what it is.
	It's a special time of giving.
	They're having a hard enough time.
	These kids are having a hard enough time as it is.
	And, you know, you could be a part of that.
	All right.
	But one of the things I did, it is Monday.
	And I mean, we've talked about a lot of heavy stuff from the border to Afghanistan.
	I've got, I've got a couple of great jokes here for you and you have to do it.
	And it was one, here's, they call dad jokes.
	We'll call them whatever.
	Call them Doug jokes today.
	It says, I searched for a lighter on Amazon, but all I could find was 6,000 matches.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I got one more for you before we get ready.
	It says, I sold our vacuum cleaner.
	It was just gathering dust.
	I know you're laughing.
	I can hear you out there.
	If you've got one on your own, if you've got a dad joke, you can call it in.
	833-334-6752.
	We would love to hear from you today.
	A lot still left to go.
	In the next hour, we've got Sarah Cardell be joining us.
	We've also got Maria in California, Lee in California.
	You'll be on with us next.
	We will be back.
	Doug Collins filling in for the great Dr. Seb Gorka here on America First.
	Go take a break.
	All right, come right back. All right. come right back. All right.
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	This is America First, and we are delighted to welcome our very special guest host, former Congressman Doug Collins.
	All right, we're here.
	I think we just came out of the woods out of a Disney flick there.
	I don't know where that came from.
	That's pretty cool.
	I feel all springy inside from that bumper music.
	Always good to be here today with you.
	Doug Collins filling in for Dr. Gorka, who's off in Israel, having a good time today.
	It is the third and final hour of the show today on America First, and joining me in just a little bit, we're going to have Sarah Carter.
	Sarah is going to join us.
	We're going to talk about what's going on and really the accountability factor that has not been happening a great deal.
	She's been investigating, again, everything from the border to the things we've been talking about today.
	So looking forward to having Sarah on in about 35-40 minutes.
	She'll be on with us.
	But first, let's get started with Leigh in California.
	Leigh, how we doing?
	Hi.
	Thank you for taking my call and for covering for Sebastian.
	I remember that Joe Biden was putting a $450,000 wall around his estate in Delaware, and I can't believe the irony of that, and that the news just kind of came and went, and we're not really making much of it, in terms of the fact that we're being invaded at our border.
	Could we address that?
	Yeah, it is really a problem that you have in the sense that the media just will not address the hypocrisy.
	Look, here's the bottom line, and thank you, Lee, for calling.
	I appreciate you sitting in today and listening to us.
	Look, the hypocrisy level here is just off the roof.
	I mean, it is, you know, the walls work.
	Let's get by the argument here.
	The argument that walls don't work, yeah they do.
	If they didn't work, the White House wouldn't have a wall around it.
	Pelosi wouldn't have put a wall around the Capitol last year.
	You wouldn't have the fencing around the Supreme Court right now.
	So let's just get off the crap that the walls or fencing doesn't work.
	It does work!
	Okay, the problem here is, and what the press does not want to talk about, and what the media will not get into is, is what they're wanting to say, they don't want this, they prefer this is an issue.
	And yes, I'm blunt about this.
	I do not believe there are maybe five legitimate Democrats in Congress that seemingly, seemingly, and I know that they'll be saying, oh yes we do, that want to work for a real solution to the border that includes security along with everything else.
	And how I know this is I was a ranking member of the Judiciary Committee.
	We handled all of the immigration, well, what we could, and I made it very clear that I was willing to work With, at the time, the chairwoman of the subcommittee, I was a ranking member, Zoe Lofgren out of California on an H-1B bill.
	Which, by the way, H-1B workers are your seasonal workers who come in.
	Georgia has the most of those.
	We use more than anybody else.
	They didn't want any input from us.
	They didn't want any input from my farmers.
	They didn't want any input from my agricultural industries.
	They didn't want it.
	And really what it came down to was, is as long as the unions, the worker unions, field worker unions out in California Got what they wanted, then that was the only way that they were going to actually agree to anything on immigration.
	So I'm just going to be very blunt with you.
	I do not think that the, in all fairness, I do not think that the Democrats, many of them have shown any propensity to actually try and solve the immigration problem.
	They always say to say, you know, Republicans don't want to do anything about it because all we talk about is, you know, security and then to Well, folks, we tried the other.
	Go back to the late 80s.
	We tried, okay, we make them all citizens, then we go back and close up the loopholes in the border.
	And frankly, it was one of the biggest problems that we came out of the Reagan administration is that we didn't fix anything.
	We didn't fix the idea that the border should have been secured before we gave this citizenship and its pathway to citizenship.
	So in looking at this, this is the problem.
	And Lee hit it head on.
	The media just doesn't want to report it because they don't want to have to deal with the ugly issues that right now in this country, there is anywhere from low estimates of 30, 35 million to higher estimates of over 60 million people who are illegally in our country.
	And what do you do with them?
	That has become the biggest issue.
	And also for Republicans who just want to simply talk about the southern border, half of our, it probably may still be maybe changing a little bit, but still roughly half of our border, the folks who are here illegally in our country, half of them are here because we gave them a visa.
	They came on a student visa, a tourist visa, whatever else kind of visa they got to come over here, and they just simply chose to stay and extend past their time of visa.
	Although we gave them the visa to stay here, we should actually know where they are.
	They stayed here illegally, and that is part of the problem.
	Lee, thank you very much.
	Marie, also from California.
	How we doing?
	I thank you for taking my call.
	So I think there are many dynamics going on with this open border, but I just it is so to me obvious that.
	The gross negligence in securing the border is simply that socialists move to overwhelm the system.
	It's right out of the playbook, so that the system is overwhelmed, it collapses, and then you redistribute the wealth.
	But I don't think all Democrats are radical socialists, and so then I can't help to wonder, what role does the almighty, powerful cartel have in any of this?
	Is there some cartel in the local, in the federal, or in the law enforcement?
	The cartel is mighty and I feel like we don't really look at the power they could potentially have and why this is so neglected.
	Well, I mean, I don't think you're wrong.
	I think the issue is is they don't in the cartels, especially when it comes to the smuggling operations across the border, they're frankly not having to work right now because it is open and they just simply put them on our on the Mexican side and they send them across the line or they send them across the river.
	And they know that the Border Patrol agency, if they catch them at all, are going to take them in, process them and send them throughout the country.
	So they're fulfilling the contract that the cartels had to start with.
	The problem I think here, and I don't think this is a good reason, I don't even think it should be even discussed, but one of the things I believe here is that the Democrats who understand that this is a problem, but seem to go along with it, I don't have a good answer for it, but I do know what it's causing in our country, and you're right about that.
	It's causing the overwhelming of systems.
	It's causing problems and chaos, and we see it from a national security.
	So, I mean, I think maybe that's it.
	I mean, I don't have a good answer for it, but I do know what it's causing in our country.
	And you're right about that.
	It's causing the overwhelming of systems.
	It's causing problems and chaos.
	And we see it in from a national security.
	As Tom Holtman said last hour, it comes in from a, you know, national security risk.
	It comes in from a, uh, you know, the health risk and, and a public safety risk.
	It's all there.
	So I'm ready.
	Thanks so much for, for calling in today.
	All right.
	Uh, it looks like we got Daniel from Texas.
	Daniel, how are we doing?
	Hey, doing good.
	Thank you for your service and thank you for taking my call.
	I want to give a shout out to the people of Georgia.
	Anybody that is a registered voter that has not voted yet.
	Make sure and get out tomorrow and make sure and stay there until you get a chance to vote.
	Our country depends on you right now, not the 22 election.
	I think a lot of that was people didn't get out to vote because they expected the red wave and didn't actually feel like their vote would be all that necessary.
	But people of Georgia, your vote is absolutely necessary right now.
	I'd like to make one quick comment about Texas and the border, too, if I could.
	You know, Greg Abbott has claimed that it's an invasion.
	According to what I understand of the law, since he has declared it being an invasion, he has the right now to take anybody that illegally crosses our border and put them back across the border.
	Instead of shipping them all over the country, they ought to put them on a military transport Climb down to Mexico City, let them out, and say, here, it's your problem, deal with it.
	Maybe we'd really get a stop put to it.
	Yeah, well, and here's the problem, and what Governor Abbott and others have done, and again, thank you for your call so much.
	Could you point out, but the problem is here, is that immigration, let's just face it, is a national issue.
	It is a federal government issue.
	It is not a state issue.
	The state issue, the states are doing their best with their national guards and with their others.
	At the end of the day, it is not the state's role, frankly, or even unfortunately the responsibility, although they're having to pick it up, to deal with immigration.
	Immigration is a federal issue and it needs to be solved and the resources put forth from a federal perspective to solve this.
	And we don't have that right now.
	So, I mean, the governors, and many of these governors are doing the best they can, but it is just lacking because they do not, you know, again, you have a federal government that is derelict in his job.
	I mean, it's the only way to put it.
	So let me just, I want to give real quickly, I appreciate the first part of his call.
	And the first part of his call actually laid this out, that Republicans have got to get out and vote.
	Of the early vote that has already been cast in Georgia, now I'm saying this to encourage and get Republicans out, because you got to.
	Model Democrat votes are at 50%, model Republican votes are at 41%, nonpartisan, in other words we don't really tell which way they voted in the primaries, is at 8%.
	Right now we've got to have, you've got to have enough to overcome approximately a 200,000 vote deficit, probably closer to 300,000 on election day.
	That means that Republicans, you have got to turn out.
	If you don't turn out, then I don't want to hear it.
	And if you don't go vote, you don't get to call in.
	So that's all the way we look at it.
	But right now we are here.
	Doug Collins filling in for Seb Gorka.
	We'll be back on this show with you here on America First.
	Just an old sweet song Keeps Georgia on my mind Georgia on my mind Georgia
	on my mind Georgia
	on my mind Oh, bringing it back to my day, back in the day.
	You know, no, I cannot dance.
	Then I cannot dance now, but oh, you know, tell the word.
	Word up, word up, word up.
	That's why you're here on America First.
	Doug Collins filling in for Dr. Gorka.
	Let's continue this path of discussion.
	And I wanted to hit it right before we went to break.
	I mean, right now, folks, Just to almost break even, Republicans are going to have to show up at almost a two-to-one clip tomorrow in Georgia.
	Now, can it be done?
	Sure, because we had a lot of Republicans not show up in early voting.
	But they've got to vote, and our caller from Texas was spot on.
	You've got to, got to, got to get out there and vote.
	Sarah Carter coming up in just a little bit.
	We'll have Sarian talking about the investigations, talking about other things coming up.
	As we go again, I'm Doug Collins.
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	We'd love to have you be A part of that team.
	Back to this, you know, some discussions in what we've been seeing with the liberals and with really what we've got to focus on, I think, in the next two years as we prepare for not only the Senate races that are going to be leveled more in our favor than even this cycle was.
	You're going to have a presidential time.
	It's time to, you know, we got to come together.
	We've got to get more than four-vote margin in the House.
	We've got to get our stuff together.
	Now's the time to actually do that.
	But one of the things is, is to do that, we've got to point out to, number one, what we would do different.
	And, number two, we've got to point out what is going wrong.
	Now, today we've talked about immigration.
	We've talked about the Afghanistan withdrawal, which was a complete and utter disaster.
	But also, and again, you will never hear me as a conservative say, let's just blame the media and go home.
	No, look, you got to understand your court or your field.
	You got to understand that the media is not going to report this.
	We've talked about it today.
	They're not reporting the Twitter files.
	That's the most amazing thing I've ever seen.
	New York Times, Washington Post, all these others have not even reported the Twitter file dump, for the most part.
	I've not seen it.
	I mean, if it's out there now, maybe it just came out, but they're not reporting it.
	Because, you know, and then they're actually attacking me, the guy who actually put it out, they're attacking him.
	You know, I go back to the old saying, I think thou dost protest too much.
	I think they thought of Twitter as their own little fiefdom in which they could spout whatever they wanted to spout, they could virtue signal to wherever they wanted to virtue signal, and they could do that all on.
	But the problem is now is that it actually, you know, I think crossed the line into affecting turnout and affecting elections as we did when you have The laptop, which has been shown to in polling since then that would have it affected your possible vote for Joe Biden in some of these states in which the margins were not that big.
	This could have been a difference, but they chose to ignore it.
	They continue to break down.
	It is amazing to me.
	And again, you know, for any listener out there, you could be liberal, you could be conservative, you could be whoever day you're listening today.
	You gotta, in my mind, see the double standard that is out there that is being treated with the Trump family and the Biden family.
	Well, if you want to go back and get Hillary Clinton involved in this too, it is just, again, Amazing.
	And if you want to see why, everything they did needs to be investigated, they need to be, you know, held accountable, they need to go to court, they need to go to jail, whatever you want to say.
	But then, you know, you have Eric Holder, who also, by the way, here's an interesting one for you.
	Eric Holder was found in contempt of Congress.
	Guess what?
	The Justice Department didn't even bother to prosecute it.
	I'm waiting, you know.
	But they didn't.
	You know, again, it's a joke.
	Okay.
	The, the, the two headed justice is a joke, but Eric Holder has resurfaced thinking about how, and part of it was thinking about how great the, uh, redistricting work that they did, which was more gerrymandering than anything else was out there as we go forward.
	But, uh, he was on with Margaret Brennan.
	I want you just to listen, think about how they treated everybody else and think about now how Margaret Brennan is asking this question about Hunter Biden.
	Play clip one.
	President Biden's son, Hunter.
	CBS has reported the FBI has sufficient evidence to charge him with tax and gun-related crimes.
	How would you handle this?
	A plea deal?
	Is the attorney general boxed in to take a hardline position because of working for the president?
	No, I mean, you have, they left in place the Republican, the Trump-appointed U.S.
	attorney in Delaware to consider the case.
	You've got career lawyers working on it, career FBI agents.
	You want to listen to their recommendations, and then again, make a determination based on the facts and the law.
	Really, facts and law coming from Eric Holder, wow, that's a rich one.
	I mean, you really get this out.
	But again, it just shows you, how does he start?
	What, do you think they ought to offer him a plea deal?
	Oh, dear God.
	This is where we're at.
	All right, let's get into it.
	Susan, calling in from Georgia.
	How we doing?
	Go Dawgs!
	Hey, Doug.
	Hey, go Dawgs.
	Thanks for your service.
	I watched two different people be interviewed outside the stadium on Saturday.
	Yeah.
	And both had said they actually did vote for Herschel on November the 8th.
	Neither were aware there was a runoff.
	And they were walking away from the reporter who certainly didn't tell him about a runoff.
	And they were walking away really surprised.
	So I wanted to get the word out, yeah, there's still a runoff.
	And I understand in this area you can vote.
	It doesn't have to be your normal polling place.
	You can vote inside your own county without going to your normal polling place?
	Yeah, well on election day you need to get to your own polling place.
	On election day it does change.
	You need to get to your own polling place.
	Now they'll take it, but it'll be taken under a contingency vote if everything is still the same.
	So they do need to get to their own polling place if at all possible.
	Thank you so much for correcting that.
	Thank you so much for getting the word out.
	Appreciate it.
	Now, Susan, you're great.
	Thank you so much.
	I can't emphasize this enough.
	We're in the final hour here of the show, and we got an election starting at 7 a.m.
	in the morning, an in-person day of election, and we got to get people turned out.
	Susan, you're wonderful.
	Thanks so much for calling in and just showing what we're saying.
	People don't know.
	I mean, I know, I know, I know.
	We do this all the time.
	You know, for those who listen to this show, you're informed, you're watching.
	But it is still amazing to me how many people do not understand what is going on.
	They don't understand an election is going on.
	I mean, if you were to go to ask, and again, I may be picky here, but if you went to ask a group of citizens from younger to older, and just ask them, who are your two senators from your state?
	Who's the lieutenant governor in your state?
	Who's the vice president?
	You know, you would be, you would be appalled at the answers.
	I mean, folks, and it's for people not to know that there's a runoff in Georgia.
	I'm assuming they don't own a TV of any kind.
	I mean, or a computer for that matter.
	All right.
	EJ in Kentucky.
	Welcome to the show.
	How you doing, sir?
	I'm wonderful.
	How about you?
	I'm doing all right.
	Thank you for taking my call.
	No problem.
	Okay, about this border problem we're having.
	Yep.
	I'll tell you how they solve it.
	Let's hear it.
	Put the dang border up, round them all up, make them walk right back across the same way that they come in.
	That's exactly how you solve that problem.
	And yeah, we do have a bad cartel problem.
	We really do.
	It's bad in this town.
	It's gotten worse.
	It is.
	Well, look, EJ, I think there's got to be a disincentive to come, and I think that's what we'd have.
	Thanks for calling it, but there has to be that disincentive.
	And the Biden administration has done nothing but make it an incentive.
	They're coming knowing that if they get here, they're going to be sent somewhere.
	If they get here, it's all going to be okay.
	Folks, we got to get out of this a little bit.
	Sarah Carter coming up shortly here on America First.
	Doug Collins filling in for Sebastian Gorka.
	Keep the calls coming 833-334-6752.
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	All righty, everybody.
	We're back.
	Yes, Doug Collins filling in for Sebastian Gorka here today.
	And a lot going on in just a few minutes.
	We're going to have the great Sarah Carter will be with us.
	We're going to talk some investigations, talk about where we're at in a lot of things that are going on out there in the world.
	Of course, a big thing right now is the Georgia election tomorrow.
	It is time to get out.
	I can't make it any more clear.
	We have got to get out and vote.
	If we're not going to get out and vote, then we don't, you know, we're not going to have a say.
	And especially, and again, I say this all the time, if you don't vote, Then don't talk about it.
	You've lost your right to talk about it.
	You've lost your right to complain about the administration.
	You've lost your right to complain about Republicans, Democrats, or elected officials.
	You've lost your right.
	Until you go vote and participate in the system, you've had your right to gripe card.
	uh removed so i mean this is just you know something that we got to get into so folks if you're in georgia you have an opportunity go vote don't talk don't whine don't gripe don't moan don't complain don't do anything do not pass go do not collect 200 go to the bowling place if you not already voted and go vote i mean how many times we make this clear i guess we're gonna have to keep doing it for the next few minutes anyway uh Ah!
	But right now there is something because you know sometimes people don't look at calendars they don't look at clocks but you better start looking now you better think about it because there's someone else looking at it and believe it or not Christmas is exactly 20 days from today.
	So really I know what's going on around my house probably going around yours as well people are you know you're Your family's putting up decorations, you're shopping, you're working to get those gifts and buy them so that you can get them shipped so they get there in time for Christmas.
	It's a big job!
	But not as big as what is facing Prison Fellowship's Angel Tree team as they put the finishing touches on arrangements to make Christmas special for over 1.7 million Angel Tree kids who have a mom or dad in prison.
	People like this Angel Tree volunteer in South Carolina who are already hard at work Because they know every prisoner's child deserves to experience the love of Christ on December 25th.
	These kids are, they're special and they didn't ask for this to happen to them.
	This letter came this week and she looked at that tag and she said, my daddy gave me a gift and he loves me.
	It just means everything.
	It's Christmas!
	Well, it will be.
	And remember, it's just 20 days from today, so I need you right now.
	Here's what I need you for.
	If you're driving along, you know, just, you know, listen to this here.
	Commit it to memory.
	If you're somewhere else, just make sure you do this.
	Go to SebGorka.com.
	sebgorka.com and click on the Angel Tree banner.
	And make a generous, your most generous donation that you can so that we can get each boy and girl a specially selected present, a personalized letter from their mom or dad in prison, and a beautiful new Bible.
	So, again, go to sebgorka.com.
	All it takes, $125, blesses five kids with all that joy.
	Or you could just, if you can, just do $25.
	That gets one child.
	Again, simply go to the sebgorka.com, sebgorka.com.
	Click on the Angel Tree banner.
	Or you can phone your gift at 888-206-2794.
	That's 888-206-2794 to make this Christmas special for a prisoner's child right here in America.
	Again, Prison Fellowship great people who do great work You would not go wrong.
	If you can support that, please go to SebGorka.com.
	Click on that angel tree banner.
	You will make a difference in somebody's lives.
	Who would know that they may, uh, your, your gift may actually turn their life around because they know somebody cares.
	All right, real quickly.
	We got, uh, Sarah Carter coming up here in just a minute, but first off, Laura from Louisville.
	How are we doing?
	Hi, how are you?
	I'm doing well.
	Hope you are.
	I'm good.
	What you got for me?
	Can you hear me?
	I do.
	What you got for me?
	Yes.
	I was, uh, listening earlier when you were talking about Hunter Biden, which, um, what do you think is more important?
	The things Hunter Biden has done or the criminal acts that Trump has done?
	Well, considering most everything that Donald Trump does gets investigated, most everything that Hunter Biden has done has been just, as we have seen, kept off of Twitter.
	Mainstream media doesn't talk about it.
	When you have pictures where you actually have drugs, you have prostitution, you have a gun that you should not have, maybe somebody ought to talk about it.
	Laura, thanks a bunch for calling in.
	I hope you have a wonderful Monday as we get into this day.
	Again, you know, again, folks, It is amazing.
	Right now, there is little less than three or four investigations of everything has been.
	Everybody wanting to get Donald Trump.
	Donald Trump's got to, you know, he's got to respond to those things.
	Hunter Biden, he's sitting at the Lincoln Center last night.
	Come on, folks.
	Let's keep our eye on the ball.
	You know, again, you got somebody who has drugs, guns, prostitutes.
	Nobody cares!
	Aw, who cares what they have?
	Doug Collins filling in for Seb Gorka here on America First.
	When we get back, Sarah Carter.
	You don't want to miss it.
	All righty.
	Three minutes, 45 seconds.
	I like how Laura tried to sling that in there.
	I like how Laura tried to sling that in there.
	I like how Laura tried to sling that in there.
	I like how Laura tried to sling that in there.
	I like how Laura tried to sling that in there.
	I like how Laura tried to sling that in there.
	I like how Laura tried to sling that in there.
	I like how Laura tried to sling that in there.
	I like how Laura tried to sling that in there.
	All right, we're here rocking the casbah, or as in the effects of our next guest, rocking the cash box.
	Because wherever she goes, she makes it, she makes it work.
	She exposes stuff, she gets it out in the open.
	She is one of the best around at making people understand what people want to hide or not really talk about.
	And that is Sarah Carter.
	Sarah, how we doing?
	Oh, so good to be with you, Doug.
	Thank you so much for having me on.
	It's going to be good.
	Hey, Sarah, we were talking off before the show came back on and we talked about, you know, Kathy Hochul, who is just frankly, just, I'm not sure which, and I mean, I guess we could have a running, you know, maybe a poll on here.
	Who's worse, Kathy Hochul or Gretchen Whitmer?
	But, you know, that would be, that would be fun.
	That's a race to the bottom that both of them are winning.
	But Hockel, again, do you think she gets the fact?
	I mean, because she showed that she was completely tone deaf to the crime situation.
	But Lee Zeldin really had a great campaign that focused on messaging.
	Frankly, if it wasn't for him in New York, we wouldn't have the house today.
	Are you still seeing some repercussions from that?
	Oh, yeah.
	Even with Hochul, I mean, Lee Zeldin came very close.
	I mean, I don't think anybody expected him to do as well as he did.
	And even right now, Democrats are angry with Hochul.
	It's crazy that she's back in office.
	She just vetoed a bill, and I just got back from New York City.
	I love this city at Christmastime.
	I know it's tough.
	People say, you know, it's a Democrat city, but this is one of America's treasures.
	You know, New York City is an American treasure.
	It's full of history, full of beauty.
	You know, and there are great people in New York City, Lee Zeldin being one of them.
	And, you know, Kathy Hochul just Vetoed a bill that literally was approved by both the State Assembly and the Senate in the spring.
	She just, like, kept it in her drawer while she was running for governor, like, hiding it away.
	And it would have created a 16-member fentanyl abuse task force and prevention task force in New York because they've lost so many people, not just to overdose with addiction, but to poisonings from fentanyl.
	This is something that I talk about, Doug, in my podcast, The Dark Wars Pod, which is like our nonprofit podcast to educate people about what's going on.
	But she literally vetoed that bill.
	And even Staten Island District Attorney Mike McMahon went after her.
	He ripped her apart, saying, you know, this is crazy.
	So I do believe that, you know, Lee Zeldin set into motion really is such an – he brought New York to the forefront.
	He let the rest of the nation know that, look, even in New York City, we've got great conservatives.
	We've got people that reach across the aisle as well.
	And we need, you know, we need to change it here in order to affect change across the board.
	And I just think, like, his campaign was so rich, it really did help us with the House.
	And we can see that, you know, because of the two seats that were picked up in New York.
	And so, I mean, I think he really was a force to be reckoned with.
	Well, Sarah, I mean, you do investigate.
	And today I've had, we've been talking about the border.
	We talked about Afghanistan.
	Of course, you've been examining that.
	Homelands was on earlier, and we talked about these things.
	But I want to take a little bit different, because I know you look at the body politic as a whole.
	We had a caller earlier, and it made a really good point.
	I'd love to see how we're going to do this.
	And at a certain point in time, is it Republicans, the sense of the caller was basically that Republicans have, you know, got to come together and quit, you know, fighting every little thing with each other and put together a very clear, very precise message That actually speaks to what voters, you know, are concerned about, but do so in a way in which it is, you know, it may not be everything that somebody wants, but it actually is something.
	What are you sensing right now with this coming in within the House?
	I mean, we're already seeing it with the Speaker.
	You and I know a four vote majority in this House is like, You know, it's not a majority, almost.
	I mean, look, I love them all, but I mean, I know what I'm looking at.
	How can we convince the 222 that they've got to find 218 at some point, or otherwise all they're doing is giving speeches?
	The House divided, right, Doug?
	And I agree with you.
	And I hear it all the time.
	I was in Mar-a-Lago this past weekend.
	There were a lot of fundraisers, a lot of heavy hitters, people.
	that are deciding where they're going to put their money, right?
	And we've got two years before the next presidential election, but more importantly, we've got a Congress, and we have a majority.
	It's a small majority, but we need to move legislation to protect our nation.
	And I saw Tom Homan while I was there, and we were discussing the border issue.
	And behind the scenes, I can't name names, people were talking about what's going on with the Republican Party.
	Are they going to unify?
	Are people going to unify behind a future presidential candidate?
	Is it going to be so divided that the Democrats are going to take it and just sweep up with the wind?
	We cannot afford that.
	Our nation is literally, and I believe the American people, every single person that's listening to this right now, are frustrated, They're upset.
	They feel as though there is a two-tiered justice system.
	Some people are just throwing their hands up in the air.
	They're saying, look, look at what just happened with, you know, with Twitter and the release of all of these emails that exposed what was going on behind the scenes and the fact that our own intelligence apparatus You know, uh, signed on 51 people saying that the Hunter Biden laptop was nothing but, you know, Russian disinformation.
	When you come to find out, you know, 18 months later, when the New York times decided to say it was true, you know, so people feel like they're being tricked.
	They feel like they're being played with.
	And I got to tell you, if the Republicans do not get together and it is frustrating, you know, people saw Kevin McCarthy.
	I'm going to bring it up because it's out there, you know, it's the big elephant in the room.
	But he went to the White House dinner.
	I'm not saying that people can't reach across the aisle, but there were a lot of people that were angry with the fact that he was sitting at a dinner, you know, with Macron, with Hunter Biden, you know, and with the Bidens, living the life while the rest of the, you know, the Republicans that are, you know, I call them the knuckle draggers, are out there trying to fight for legislation that they believe will truly change America and protect the American people.
	So, you know, it's hard for me to say what is it going to take?
	You know, Lee's Elgin did a phenomenal job when he was, you know, in New York and he was running.
	And I think he's a very he's somebody that is a good leader, right?
	Right.
	Somebody who you could see pushing forward, yeah, to unify the party in such a way.
	Maybe, you know, I've heard rumors.
	I've heard rumors.
	I could start rumors right now.
	All right, we're starting rumors here on American First.
	We only got about 15 seconds left.
	What, you got a big rumor for us?
	I've got a big rumor for you.
	Hey, I heard his name being tossed around with the RNC.
	I've also heard another name.
	Look, we need a strong country, we need a strong party, and the American people are the bosses.
	Sarah, appreciate it.
	We'll be right back to finish this thing and land it up here on America
	First.
	First. First. First. First. First. First.
	Thank you.
	First.
	You're listening to America First with special guest host, former Congressman Doug Collins.
	Ah.
	All right, we're back here, ready to land this plane.
	If you're flying with us all these three hours, we're glad to have you aboard.
	Doug Collins filling in for Dr. Gorka while he's in Israel.
	But as we're getting ready, I've already got the landing lights on, the gears are going down.
	We have been told and now if you will please bring your seat up to a locked right position, make sure your tray tables are secured.
	We're coming in for landing.
	But a few more things before we get done here.
	I got a few more of the dad jokes for you.
	Why didn't Han Solo enjoy his steak dinner?
	It was chewy.
	Oh, you know what?
	I was addicted to the Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around.
	There's some people right now are going to get a speeding ticket.
	I can feel it.
	I can feel it.
	All right, here we go.
	Here's the last one.
	Then we're going to do a wrap of the show.
	When does a joke become a dad joke?
	When it becomes apparent.
	Hi folks, it has been a pleasure filling in with today for Dr. Gorka.
	We've talked about a lot of things and again, sometimes you just have to laugh.
	Sometimes you have to smile.
	Down here in Georgia, we are coming up on an election that really truly does matter.
	It matters because we have a lot at stake.
	It matters Because we don't want to see, you know, from a conservative perspective, you don't want to see Chuck Schumer have to be able to have 51 votes and have committees that are in favor of Democrats.
	You want to have the power-sharing agreement still going on.
	Republicans, you've got to get out and vote.
	You've got to get out and vote.
	The numbers show it right now.
	If you've ever had a reason, you've got to see it because right now we're behind.
	You've got to get out and vote down here in Georgia.
	Across the country, we've had some great callers today who've emphasized the fact that we've got to get out there and we've got to be a part of You know, the solutions.
	Border's an issue.
	Afghanistan's an issue.
	And we just, it's so much, and I'm thankful for our folks who were our guests today.
	We had the wonderful Michelle Tafoya, a great podcast.
	Check it out on the Salem Network, Sideline Sanity.
	We had, again, the ever just right to the point, kill it every time Tom Homan's talking about what's going on with Mayorkas and the border situation.
	And then Sarah Carter, everybody's favorite investigative reporter.
	She keeps us all going and the stuff that she's in undercover for time.
	But this is why we do this show.
	We do it so you can be informed.
	We do it so that you can go out and then make a difference in your communities.
	You make a difference in your communities, we begin to change the world one community at a time.
	I truly believe that.
	That's not just a thought that I have.
	It's not just something... That's why I like to have fun.
	That's why I like to tell the dad jokes.
	That's why I like to inform and also I can have a rant and I can tell you why it's wrong, but I can also say if you don't take this for granted, if you don't take what you have around you and make it better, then what we're here for?
	If you're not making a difference, why are you here?
	And I think that's something we got to do as conservatives.
	We are the party that actually believes in people.
	We're the people who actually believe that everybody has a chance and that we need to give everybody a chance.
	It doesn't matter where you come from, what your background is, what you believe, you need to get out there and do it.
	So now's the holiday season.
	We've talked about Angel Tree.
	We've talked about this.
	Dr. Gorka does this every day.
	It is my privilege to fill in for him.
	This is Doug Collins, the Doug Collins podcast.
	Check us out as part of the Salem Network.
	Anywhere you get your podcast, the Doug Collins podcast.
	Until we meet again on these airways, we are now landed.

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