Jennifer Horn LIVE: Did a Silent Civil War cost the GOP the Senate majority?
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Thank you, Dr. G. It is such a pleasure to be with you.
I am Jennifer Horne.
I'll be with you for the next three hours.
Welcome to America First!
If you have ever been through California or Los Angeles, hopefully you have heard me.
I'm co-host of The Morning Answer, Salem Radio LA on AM 870 The Answer, AM 590 The Answer, co-host along with Grant Stinchfield, who sometimes appears on this program too, and always A pleasure to be with you and of course sit in for Dr. G. He's out working on that top secret video project of his and sure you'll get more details as they become available.
But a really serious question for all of you as we start to consume the results of the 2022 midterm election.
That's a question that I think has been popped in my mind over the weekend.
We do have some news to tell you today.
On America First, the House of Representatives, according to NBC News, well, they project that the GOP will win the House of Representatives by a majority of 219 to 216.
Now, that's a very tiny margin.
A teeny tiny margin, I think, is a scientific term.
218 makes you have the majority in the House.
It seems Republicans will be there with 219 seats, many of them coming through my home state.
of California.
We're still waiting for votes to be counted here out west because we are in the midst of election month, not election day these days.
And the Senate over the weekend, if you're just kind of catching up after a weekend off, Catherine Cortez Masto was projected the winner in Nevada over the weekend.
Along with Mark Kelly in Arizona giving Democrats the majority no matter what happens during that runoff election in Georgia.
Right now the count in the Senate is 50 votes for Democrats, 49 for Republicans.
So even if Herschel Walker wins in Georgia, that means it would be a 50-50 split with Kamala Harris, the Democrat VP, coming in to cast a deciding vote.
So when thinking through all of this, is it possible that it's actually the Republicans, our own party, that's behind our big loss?
There's been lots of conversations about Mitch McConnell, who is the minority leader in the Senate.
And what's really kind of interesting is that just to set the scene, there was a lot of talk about this big red wave, this big red tsunami.
Which was really an uphill climb for Republicans from the beginning.
The Senate, this time around in 2022, well, it was favored to go towards the Democrats.
The GOP had to defend 60% of their seats.
So when the momentum was really ginned up, Biden failing, the Republicans having a great message, they actually created the circumstances that led people, the media, pollsters, everyone, to believe that Republicans had a chance to win the Senate, even though they weren't favored just by the numbers, mathematically, it was going to be a much tougher climb.
Now next year, next election cycle in 2024, Republicans are favored to do much better in the Senate, mathematically, if you look at the at the map.
So if the momentum was kind of heading in the direction of the RNC, where was Mitch McConnell?
You had some states that were in play, Nevada, Arizona, Pennsylvania, and Georgia, And we're trying to scratch our heads and wonder what happened.
Now, a lot of people are blaming Trump.
Some people say it wasn't quality candidates, but anybody with a pulse and three brain cells would know that Dr. Oz is a better candidate.
I don't care what you think of Dr. Oz.
That's not even the debate.
But he's a much better candidate than John Fetterman in his sweatsuit.
So I don't buy the argument that it was quality candidates or that it's somehow the Trump factor.
I think it was money and support.
And if you look at the amount of money that was spent on these Senate races in Arizona, Blake Masters spent $9 million compared to Mark Kelly's $73 million.
In Georgia, Herschel Walker spent $32 million compared to Raphael Warnock's $76 million.
In Nevada, Adam Laxalt, who had a real chance, $12 million against Cortez Master, who spent $47 million.
And in New Hampshire, Bulldog, this is the crazy one, $2 million.
This was a great guy, great candidate.
Would have been great for the country and for New Hampshire.
And Senator Hassan spent $36 million.
Why would Mitch McConnell, who is leading the Republican Party in the Senate, not want to be the majority leader?
Why would he pull money from these key states and put it into places like Alaska to save his friend Lisa Murkowski when he could have won?
Mitch McConnell's not a dummy.
He's smart.
He's calculated.
He knew the Senate would be a tough get, so instead of working for it, he decided to take the loss.
And I believe this is where we are today.
I think Mitch McConnell took the loss on purpose, did not help the candidates in the states where we could have won as a party, because his hate and distrust and dislike for Donald Trump is that great.
What do you think?
This show is going to be about you today.
We have some big decisions ahead of us.
Who's going to lead this party?
Trump, DeSantis, that debate is on 833-33-GORKA.
That's the number to call, 833-33-GORKA.
I want to talk to as many of you as we can today because I think this is really important.
And again, I offer to you this, Mitch McConnell is smart and calculated, not my favorite guy.
So instead of working to take control of the Senate, he took the loss because he knew he could hang it around Donald Trump's neck.
Was his hatred for Donald Trump worth more than the power he could have had for these two years?
I think so.
I think his hatred for Donald Trump is worth more than what the country deserves, right?
New leadership, something different.
And he knew, because he is that smart and calculating, that the media and the establishment Republicans who were the never-Trumpers, who never liked Donald Trump from the beginning, were going to come along with him.
They were going to help Mitch McConnell do his dirty work.
And this is why I call it a silent civil war with the party.
So he knows that this is going to create problems for Trump.
He knows that a loss is going to maybe catapult Biden into thinking he can run again.
And maybe Mitch McConnell's playing the long game here and thinks that he can take control in 2024 with a candidate of his own choosing.
But did it work?
Because McConnell is not popular.
New polling out today suggests that only 7% of the American people like Mitch McConnell.
Like, there's a greater favorability rating for, I think, rats or cockroaches.
I think more people prefer rats than they do Mitch McConnell.
And so that's causing some problems, some debate about whether or not the scheduled vote to vote for Mitch McConnell as leader of the Senate, well, it's being questioned.
It's being questioned by Josh Hawley.
Even Lindsey Graham has come to the table about whether or not this vote should be held before the runoff election in Georgia on December the 6th.
And then, of course, tomorrow, the big day I'm excited for.
President Trump is going to, or at least we expect him to, announce his run for the presidency.
And what has Mitch McConnell, the establishment Republicans in the media, done?
Well, they've been doing everything they can to infuriate President Trump and pump up Ron DeSantis's ego so that they can create a civil war that will ultimately destroy the Republican Party.
Instead of Trump versus DeSantis, and I've said it here on this program before with Seb, we need to have Trump then DeSantis.
We need four more years, in my mind, of President Trump.
And then maybe eight years of Ron DeSantis.
But we need these two power players to work together.
This is the plea today.
We need Ron DeSantis to make it really clear that he is not going to run in 2022.
We need to hear from President Trump.
We need to hear his plan immediately and right out of the gate with passion like he gave all of us in 2015.
We need that tomorrow.
And maybe there needs to be a conversation.
Maybe Ron DeSantis needs to call President Trump.
And he needs to say, you know what?
I'm not going to run.
You set me up.
I'll serve four years in this governor's mansion here in Florida.
I'll do my best to support MAGA principles.
Maybe after four years, he gets two years in Trump's administration before he himself runs for the presidency.
We have so much talent in the Republican Party, and a war like they'd like to wage between Ron DeSantis and President Trump will simply blow that up.
What do you think?
833-33-GORKA, that's our topic of conversation today.
Do we want to see Mitch McConnell continue?
As the leader of the Republicans in the Senate, do we want to see change?
Do you think he could have been in on this?
Should some of that blame for Republican loss be on Mitch McConnell's doorstep, not President Trump's?
And do we want to see Trump then DeSantis, or are you guys ready for the Civil War?
Trump versus DeSantis.
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Up next, the surge!
Larry Elder will join us.
Jennifer Horne in for Seb Gorka.
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Thank you, Dr. G. That is Sebastian Gorka.
And of course, always a pleasure to be filling in for him right here on America First.
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And we're waiting to hear from Larry Elder.
So if we catch up with him, we will have him join us in just a few moments.
But what, before we get to Trump versus DeSantis, let's, that's on the table.
But what went wrong for Republicans in this election?
Now, I don't think that it was a complete loss for Republicans.
I think having the majority, no matter how slim the margin, is a good one.
And again, the breaking news as we start the program today, NBC News saying that they project that the House will go to Republicans.
Having a slim majority, by the way, if you're worried about the establishment types, well, This is going to give Kevin McCarthy a test of his leadership.
You're going to have a lot of power given to members of the Freedom Caucus to, I don't know, negotiate with Kevin McCarthy because they are going to be such a large chunk, about 26 members deep, in the Republican pool in the House of Representatives.
So you will have accountability.
Republicans will be in charge of the House.
Again, the House and the Senate, very reflective of where we are as a country, right down the middle, 50-50 split.
But we also have to fix the voting problems in this country.
The fact that the West Coast, and I live in California where we count for weeks before we can deliver results to Election Day.
Arizona, we see the same problems.
They're still counting to see if Carrie Lake or Katie Hobbs will be governor.
Nevada's a disaster.
I mean, the whole West Coast is really rough because of their voting rules.
We need some shakeup at the RNC.
I love Ronna McDaniel as a person.
I think she's fabulous.
But I think it's time that we have a leader who is ready to fight and who has backbone that can go out and legally take on these ridiculous COVID-era election laws.
Let's get out there.
Let's get someone like Lee Zeldin, who is looking for something to do right now after suffering a very close loss in New York to Kathy Hochul.
He was able to communicate the message of the Republican Party maybe better than anybody.
Let's get him into that position.
Let's shore up all of these voting problems.
Let's get the RNC involved.
Let's start being competitive because it's good for the country, not because of the political power and who we can hold to blame, which is really what I think Mitch McConnell did.
Mitch McConnell wanted to see problems for Donald Trump because he knows he's going to announce his run for the presidency this week.
What do you think about that?
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We'll take some of your phone calls right now.
I know lots of you standing by.
I want to get in as many of you as we can.
Let's start with Line 5.
Dan in California.
You're on America First.
Hi, Dan.
Hi, how are you?
I think Mitch McConnell did this on purpose because I think if we have investigations, he is going to be implicated along with Paul Ryan and some of the other Uh, kind of bushy type Trump haters in this whole frame job that occurred during President Trump's administration.
Now, of course, Trump doesn't help things.
He should, Trump should have been focusing his anger.
He took the bait.
He should have focused it at McConnell, not DeSantis or anything else.
There's plenty of time for him to call DeSantis or, or confront him.
But on this week, I can tell you, I've talked to probably 25 Trump supporters and all of us, as much as we love Trump, think it was idiotic for him to go after Youngkin and DeSantis.
It's just stupid.
Well, you know, as much as his ego is just— Well, Dan, I don't know if it's the ego.
I think that something may have gone on or he heard something or got some information about the plans of Ron DeSantis.
I think it would be really smart for DeSantis to come out and say, I have no intention of running for the presidency this time around.
That would be really helpful from the governor.
And I think that there should be a little pressure on him to do that.
As far as Trump goes, I think what he said is true.
I just think it was unnecessary at the moment To send anger in the direction of DeSantis and Junkin, certainly because we need this party unified, especially the MAGA branch of this party.
We can't have the two best MAGA candidates that we have going after each other because no one will survive.
Trump's going to need the people who are going to support DeSantis, and DeSantis certainly is going to need the Trumpers in the party.
President Trump is still extremely popular, especially in the middle of the country.
So We need these guys kind of working in tandem, I would believe.
And thank you so much for the phone call, Todd, in Atlanta on Line 4.
Hi, Todd.
You're on America First.
Thanks for calling.
Hi, Jennifer.
Yeah, I just want to point out that Charlie Crist accused DeSantis of using the governorship as a stepping stone to the White House, and DeSantis point-blank said he was going to serve his full term.
And I think that Trump and DeSantis should have a united front, you know, because our common enemy is the Democrat Socialist Party.
And I think that, you know, Mitch McConnell, it was the revenge of the RINOs.
We're stuck with Obamacare thanks to John McCain and that Inflation Incendiary Act that they passed.
$300 billion of that is to prop up Obamacare.
So I think the last thing we need is a fight between our two top guys.
They should have a united front against the real enemy, which is the Democrat Marxist Party.
Yeah, no, I agree with you 1000%.
Todd, thank you for the phone call.
There's so much that needs to be stopped.
I mean, think about how far our country has declined with two years of Biden at the helm.
And I think one of the arguments that I make every single time for President Trump to come next Is that he knows where the proverbial bodies are buried in Washington, D.C.
He was the best president of my lifetime and I lived through Reagan.
I think Reagan was excellent.
But in that short amount of time, President Trump's deliverables to the country, it was unheard of what he was able to do under duress.
He needs to get back in there.
The country needs him to get back in there.
And by the way, If I were Ron DeSantis, and I know what a mess the country is in right now, from multiple perspectives, whether it's the economy or national security, crime, there are a lot of problems that have built up.
If you're Ron DeSantis, don't you want Trump to go in there and dig you out a bit so that when you come in, you're going to have easier circumstances?
Because DeSantis has never sat in that chair before.
He's got lots to do, lots to think about before he is able to get started, because it takes a while.
You have to get your feet wet.
Trump's feet are wet.
Let him start cleaning out the mess and digging it up, and I think that's only good for Ron DeSantis as well.
Let's see, Vince in Ohio, line three.
Hey, Vince, you're on America First.
I'm Jennifer Horne.
Hi, Vince.
Hey, Jennifer, how are you?
Good, good.
What do you think?
Is Mitch Mc— Oh, you're welcome.
He's got to go.
Mitch has got to go.
I'm sorry.
You think he's out?
Mitch has got to go because, again, you just said it.
For him to withhold or block or do anything like that because of his hatred for Trump is not serving the party.
He's putting his self-interest above the party and, quite frankly, above the country.
and he should be fighting.
He should be fighting.
The people that are out here, I mean, look at all the demagoguery that went on during this past election campaign.
How many times did you hear, you know, democracy's at peril if we reelect MAGA, and nobody's out there refuting it.
Nobody from the Republican Party is standing up and yelling loud and clear.
We've got the money.
Mitch has got his hands on it.
If he doesn't cut it loose, he needs to go.
And the other quick thing is about Donald Trump.
Should he, should he not run anything after that?
I've been a big Trump fan, a big Trump supporter, but I've got to tell you, it turned me off this past week or so when he started bad-mouthing Ron DeSantis and the Virginia government.
It's like, you know what?
There'll be time for course correction.
Thank you, Vince, for the phone call.
Appreciate it.
Lots of topics on the table for you.
Does Mitch stay or go?
And who is going to lead Republicans into 2024?
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Thank you, Dr. G. Jennifer Horn in for Sebastian Gorka.
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And so much going on today, really, for Republicans and the future of our party.
Everybody that was expecting a big red wave, a big red tsunami, well, all of that disappointment is now shifting into the blame game.
Do people blame Trump?
Do they blame Mitch McConnell?
Do they blame our system of elections in this country?
I think Quite frankly, it's a combination of Mitch McConnell with the Senate races.
Certainly the counting, endless counting, isn't doing anybody any favors.
That doesn't make you an election denier to say, hey, I remember the good old days and we used to know who won elections on election night.
That just makes sense.
There's a lot going on.
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Tomorrow we anticipate hearing from President Trump jumping into the race for 2024 as president.
I'd like to see it.
I'm still ready for it.
But is everyone else?
Are you on board with President Trump's run?
There's been a little kerfuffle.
I love that word.
A little stir up between Ron DeSantis and President Trump.
I think we need to get away from this war that will break apart the Republican Party and instead Get Trump and DeSantis on the same page.
And quite frankly, I think that belongs to DeSantis.
I think he needs to call Trump.
I think he needs to make a statement.
I think a run from DeSantis would be poorly timed and a bad idea in 2024.
Let Trump get in there and finish his work.
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You can join us in conversation.
There's new polling out that indicates President Trump is losing support when it comes to Republican voters.
A new poll out suggests that Ron DeSantis has more support in the party.
This one coming from YouGov in the last couple of days.
So post statement from Donald Trump on Ron DeSantis.
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Do you fall in line with that?
Are you concerned?
Joe is in California on line one in my home state.
Hi Joe, welcome to America First.
Thank you, Jenny.
You are so good, it's crazy.
If I didn't love Dr. Borca, I would put you there.
Thank you.
I'll send you your check, Joe.
Thank you for that.
Thank you very much.
Basically, you can blame anybody that you want to blame for this mess, but the fact of the matter is there was only one man working very hard.
Well, there were a few others, but that was President Trump.
And let me tell you also why they slowed down the discounting.
Because they can analyze the ballots and discard and switch and do whatever they have to do.
Time is on their side and they're very good at it.
These machines are a problem.
Arizona specifically.
Two-thirds of prisons have problems.
Two-thirds of machines, I mean one-third of machines, one-third of prisons have problems.
Is that a coincidence or is that a plan?
That's a plan.
I think, Joe, with the count, and thank you so much for the phone call.
With this, we've got a multi-pronged problem with the election.
Number one, the early voting.
In our state of California, ballots are sent to everyone, and they don't even check the Whoever is on the voter rolls.
You could have dead people.
You could have people who moved out of state.
I have listeners who call my radio program, The Morning Answer, who've said, at my address, we got 18 ballots sent to this one address.
So that leaves opportunity for bad people to pick up ballots and do bad things.
That's number one.
So mail-in ballots, bad.
Early voting, also bad.
Look in Pennsylvania.
Before John Fetterman even had to utter one crazy word, Half of the state of Pennsylvania voted, and then you wonder what happened with Dr. Oz?
Half the state voted before they even heard whether John Fetterman was in good health to run for office.
In Arizona, you had incompetence, glaring incompetence, printer problems, and by the way, a huge conflict of interest with Katie Hobbs, who was the Secretary of State, the chief election officer in Arizona, overseeing her own election for governor.
There are so many problems, and so this calls into question, where are the lawyers for the RNC?
I know that there are a few opportunities for them to crow about victories, but we need more.
We need to go into every state and decide what's appropriate and talk about real reform.
Look, I know a lot of conservatives were against the idea of having a day off for elections, but I'll tell you what, I'll come to the table if states agree to have one election day, make it a holiday, And then show voter ID.
How about that?
Then we all have faith in our system.
Because what's going to happen now is when we question these crazy election processes, then we're called election deniers.
And they are going to run with that to try to damage Republican candidates and, quite frankly, silence you, the Republican voters.
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Lots going on today.
Mitch McConnell.
Should he stay?
Should he go?
Should Republicans get some backbone and maybe look for another alternative?
And what about Trump and DeSantis?
Tomorrow's the big announcement.
What do you want to hear from President Trump when he declares that he's running for the presidency in 2024?
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Such a pleasure to be hanging out with all of you today for America First.
I'm Jennifer Horne.
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And two big topics today.
The Mitch McConnell factor in Republicans' loss Well, we didn't lose, but I guess our lackluster performance during the midterm election.
And then, of course, the big announcement from President Trump tomorrow.
We're expecting to hear him put his name in the ring for the 2024 presidential election.
So today's show, we're really trying to make it all about you, what you think about the future of the Republican Party.
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But Mitch McConnell, first up in our focus, he is getting a little bit of heat, finally, from Republicans and from MAGA parts of the party, which, by the way, may not be all of the senators' point of view, but if you look at the bulk of the country, If you look at the people, the constituents, those who are supposed to be represented by the United States Senate, most of us consider ourselves to be MAGA Republicans.
The majority is with the MAGAs.
Yet it seems that Mitch McConnell hates it.
I think he possibly, very possibly, through the election, when Republicans could have won really big Senate races in Arizona and in Nevada because he pulled money out of there in order to help his friends, could have done it on purpose because he knew that this loss would have been attributed to Donald Trump.
Instead of finding its way to his doorstep.
But I think some of that blame rests squarely on the shoulders of Mitch McConnell.
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This is Blake Masters running, who ran for Senate in the state of Arizona, furious about the lack of support he received from Mitch McConnell.
But you know what else is incompetent, Tucker?
The establishment.
Right?
The people who control the purse strings.
Senate Leadership Fund.
Mitch McConnell.
McConnell decided to spend millions of dollars attacking a fellow Republican in Alaska instead of helping me defeat Senator Mark Kelly.
Had he chosen to spend money in Arizona, this race would be over.
We'd be celebrating a Senate majority right now.
And so my message to the people of America, my message to actually the Republican senators, hopefully my future colleagues, Let's not vote Mitch McConnell into leadership.
He doesn't deserve to be majority leader or minority leader.
You get a choice.
You can stand with your constituents and stand with Americans, or you can stand for Mitch McConnell.
Tucker, if I'm lucky enough to represent Arizona in the U.S.
Senate next year, I think it's clear where I'll stand.
That's Blake Masters, who ran for Senate in the state of Arizona over the weekend.
His race was called, along with Adam Laxalt, the Republican in Nevada, both of them losing.
And these could have been tighter races.
Adam Laxalt, it was a very tight race.
These could have been winning races for Republicans.
But guess who wasn't in Nevada?
Guess who wasn't in Arizona?
The answer is Mitch McConnell.
And neither was his money, by the way.
None of that made it to Arizona or to Nevada.
They turned their back on two candidates that could have been successful, that could have given Republicans a majority, that could have stopped the terrible policies.
Forget about the party stuff.
They could have stopped the policies of Biden.
If we had both bodies, if we had both the House and the Senate, you would put a damper on the Biden agenda.
But instead, Mitch McConnell chose Joe Biden.
Over Republicans and over his country.
You know who was in Arizona?
You know who was in Nevada?
Donald Trump was in both of those places.
Donald Trump stood in rain.
He took time away from his life, private life.
To go and rally because it was important enough, because these people needed his support.
Mitch McConnell wasn't out there rallying.
He wasn't out there spending any money.
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What do you think?
Could he be the one?
Could Mitch McConnell?
Shouldn't he own some of this?
Sure feels like it to me.
Let's start with Sharon in Los Angeles on line one.
Hi, Sharon.
You're on America First.
I'm Jennifer Horn.
Hi, Jennifer.
Thanks so much for taking my call.
I totally agree with everything you're saying.
It's so good to hear you say all this.
Mitch McConnell's got to go.
He should have stuck behind every great Republican candidate that was running so that we could have taken the Senate as well as the House.
But he was a traitor, and I think he's got to go.
It's time.
And President Trump, who I still call President Trump, he's all about loyalty.
He's all about loyalty and Governor DeSantis, I love him, I think he's great, but President Trump stood behind him when he ran for governor, so he helped him do that.
I think that DeSantis is young enough that in 2028 he can run.
And I actually, I mean, I would like to see him run with President Trump as vice president.
I would love that too.
That's really unlikely.
I've heard just inner workings from people around DeSantis that says that's very unlikely for him.
But, and I also wouldn't want them to go together.
I don't think they should go to war together, but they shouldn't go together.
I think that they are so strong that they can both be standalone candidates, but it is Trump first.
And you know, what's funny is that most Trump fans still really love Ron DeSantis.
It's the never Trumpers who are trying to pit these two against each other that won't stand behind President Trump.
And remember where the Republican Party came from.
Sharon, thank you so much for the call in Los Angeles.
The Republican Party that used to be the party of Mitt Romney?
No backbone.
We got called names and we'd run.
Remember, they called Mitt Romney a sexist.
He had the binder of women.
They called him all sorts of things, and he crumbled.
President Trump showed our party how to fight, and what these establishment types want to do is they want to stop ruffling feathers.
After all of that work, after all of that sweat, blood, sweat, and tears to make us a party of fighters, they want to crumble all of that down.
Harry in San Francisco online, too.
Hi, Harry!
Hello?
Harry online.
Hey, there he is.
How you doing, Harry?
Thanks for calling.
This is Rick in Los Angeles.
Oh, well, Rick, I thought you were Harry.
Hi.
Can you hear us, Rick?
Okay.
No, I hear you fine.
You hear me?
Okay.
Yes, go ahead.
We're good.
Okay, good, good, good, good.
Well, I'll try to stay calm.
But Mitch McConnell, this rhino turncoat, pathetic excuse for the leader of the Republican Party, was only concerned about getting the Republicans he wanted elected.
So he could keep his power and he could keep his control.
That is just unbelievable.
I mean, I'll try not to cuss how irritated I am with this man.
Well, he knew, and Rick, he knew who would vote for him for leader of the party, and he knew it wouldn't be Blake Masters and it probably wouldn't be Adam Laxalt, and so he saved himself accordingly.
It is infuriating, and I can hear that passion in your voice.
Thank you so much for the phone call.
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Does Mitch McConnell deserve a little bit of blame here?
Everybody likes to throw it in President Trump's direction, but what about Mitch?
It's only got a 7% approval rating.
Gum on your shoe rates higher than Mitch McConnell right now.
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I'm on alone from AM 870, AM 590, The Answer, the morning answer in Los Angeles, Salem Radio.
And here's where we are at this moment.
Right now, NBC News has projected that Republicans will win the House of Representatives.
At this moment, 218 is needed for a majority.
There are 212 Republican seats, 204 seats for Democrats.
19 seats still left in play, many of those in my home state of California, but they do project the Republicans will win by a narrow margin, only 219 seats for the majority.
In the Senate, however, and this is the one that has me furious, because the Senate shouldn't have been in play for Republicans anyway.
Mathematically, it favored Democrats, but Republicans built enough momentum and they put up enough, yes, you heard it here first, good or decent candidates at the very least, For the 2022 midterms, and they got zero support in these key states from someone like Mitch McConnell, who you would think would have vested interest in becoming the majority leader in the Senate.
I contend that I think Mitch McConnell took the loss on purpose because he knew that a Blake Masters or an Adam Laxalt may cause him trouble in the upcoming election cycle.
Maybe he'd lose his power.
Maybe they wouldn't vote for him as leader.
Maybe he thought he could hang their losses on the neck of Donald Trump.
And so now we have the Democrats controlling the Senate.
Again, they've got 50 seats.
We've got 49.
Georgia is in play.
But even if we win that seat, it will be a 50-50 split.
And that means Kamala Harris is a decision maker and Republican hopes to control the Senate.
Gone.
So shouldn't there be some accountability for Mitch McConnell?
It seems that we're just not hearing much of it, except for a few Republican fighters, MAGA Republicans, who are standing up against him.
All right.
So there's that going on.
We've got President Trump getting ready to announce as well tomorrow.
So what do you make of this?
Who is set to take Republicans into 2024?
Is it Mitch McConnell, Ron DeSantis, Donald Trump?
Nick in Minneapolis on Line 3.
You're on America First.
Hi, Nick.
Hi, Jennifer.
Thank you for doing such a great job of keeping us all informed.
My pleasure.
I want to say I am a huge supporter of Donald Trump.
Me too.
I will vote for him again for the third time.
However, with that being said, I do think that what he said about DeSantis and Youngkin was pretty idiotic.
And I think that it's important that we say that and people hear us say that because the Democrats like to call us Trump followers rather than Trump supporters.
Yeah, I don't really care what they call us because they do that to silence us, you know, and that's that's really sad, Nick, 'cause what they're doing is like socially conditioning us And I see it in California all the time.
People who are scared to death to say they're Republicans or that they voted for President Trump.
So the media is socially conditioning us to say, oh, we don't want to be called election deniers.
We don't want to be called Trump followers.
I hear what you're saying.
I didn't love the statement, in all honesty.
And look, President Trump's my guy.
I'll vote for him again, happily.
I want more Trump.
Best president in my lifetime.
But I do want to see less attacks on Ron DeSantis moving forward, unless DeSantis punches.
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And yes, Eric, now it's time to hear from Chris Christie, Video Cut One.
The independents are sending a very clear message to the Republican Party.
If you're going to go for the Trump-style stuff, in terms of the rhetoric, in terms of the conduct, those kind of things, and certainly the election tonight, we're not going to vote for you.
This is the first time that a party that's held the White House has won independence in 20 years.
And the message for that is Trump is dragging the party down.
That is the voice of Chris Christie, who, oh, by the way, used to be an advisor to Trump's campaign back in 2015 when Chris Christie couldn't cut it as a candidate himself.
But now he's finding relevance hitting up the campaign or the potential campaign of Donald Trump, which starts tomorrow, by all accounts, at Mar-a-Lago.
There will be an announcement.
President Trump Jumping in the race for 2024.
And joining us right now is a guy who knows Florida, knows Donald Trump, knows Ron DeSantis.
Carl Jackson is here, host of The Carl Jackson Show, heard in Orlando, Florida.
And of course, you hear him all the time on Salem Radio, one of our best colleagues and hosts.
You can follow him at CarlJacksonShow on Twitter.
And Carl, thanks for being with us today on America First.
Thank you, Jen.
I appreciate you having me on.
Now, this is going to be an interesting one because we know Donald Trump is jumping in and we hear Chris Christie talking about the independence that he's going to turn off and that perhaps maybe someone like a Ron DeSantis is better suited.
I would contend, Carl, that there aren't a lot of moderates, independents.
I almost feel like they're kind of like the unicorn.
Everybody is so divided.
Everybody has such strong opinions right now.
And I believe, like what happened to our friend Larry Elder, it doesn't matter who you are.
If you have a Republican by your name, They're going to come after you.
I don't know if you're Trump or DeSantis, whoever you are, they're coming for you.
Yeah, honestly, this is why, Jen, when we get in power, the Republican Party, we need to wield power.
I mean, it's as simple as that.
Listen, I don't think that Trump is a liability to the GOP.
That's a bunch of nonsense.
I defer a little bit in where I didn't like the tag to DeSantis.
I think this is the time to be united and not divided unless they do get into a primary.
But I'll say this.
I want Trump to be the next president, and I'll tell you why.
Foreign policy is it.
No one's talking about that.
But for God's sake, we're damn near in World War III.
Trump was able to curtail Xi Jinping.
The guy in North Korea, I don't know why his name escapes me right now.
Kim Jong-un.
Thank you.
Kim Jong-un.
The world has gone to hell in a handbasket without him in office.
He did things that were... He was very good when it comes to foreign policy.
I think another fight that we have to have is the DOJ and the FBI.
I don't think there's anyone more qualified to take on the fight.
And I'm sorry.
I know there's a lot of people out there that talks about, hey, the FBI can't be dismantled.
I don't think you have a choice.
I mean, I really don't.
I don't get that argument.
I don't think you have a choice when you have the world's premier law enforcement agency ostensibly operating as the law enforcement of the Democrat Party, I don't think you have a choice.
We have J6 protesters that are still in jail.
It makes no sense to me.
Also, I want somebody in office, and I think Trump will do this because he got us out of the climate Paris accord.
I want somebody to take the fight to these freaking climate change hoaxers.
I'm tired of this nonsense that EVs are the way to go when they destroy the planet more than ICE engines.
I'm sick of that nonsense.
I'm tired of Republicans playing the game because they invest in Tesla or wherever else they invest.
I want to fight.
And also deregulation.
Now listen, I have to say this.
I do think Trump's tone is going to matter.
And this is why I think the shot at DeSantis was the wrong approach, particularly so early.
I just think it was a bad idea.
Having said that, I would like to see Trump for four years.
I would like to see DeSantis for eight years.
But I think the audience has to be honest.
The Republican Party has to be honest.
We are.
We are fighting communism inside of the United States of America, and I think the next fight has to there.
We have to approach it, I think, like Reagan in an optimistic fashion.
But we have to say what we believe and we have to do what we say.
And I think people have to understand that if Trump were to get in and fight, there's a chance there is a chance that DeSantis won't get in eight years because we do have to—me personally, I do believe that we need to wage war, but we need to persuade people.
I'm sorry, the Republican Party, I think the leadership has to go.
I've been saying this for quite a while.
I was never impressed, Jen.
I was never impressed with the commitment to America.
I couldn't remember—I mean, nerds, political nerds like you and I, okay, yeah, we want to cut inflation down.
How?
What are we going to do?
When you have the Democrat Party that constantly throws, they gift the left with Santa Claus as far as like, hey, we're going to forgive your student loan debt.
What's the argument?
What was the argument from the GOP?
I want the GOP to be able to come out and say, you know what we're going to do?
Essentially, Dan, we've got to impose freedom on people.
Because we don't have a lot of Americans, sad to say anymore, that even enjoy or can conceptualize freedom.
So in arguments like that, we have to be able to go back, and we have to be able to say, well, you know what we're going to do?
When these freaking woke universities give you a degree for $200,000 in basket weaving and social justice, you're going to be able to sue that freaking university, and you're going to be able to get all your money back.
Screw the 10,000.
Screw the 20,000.
You're going to be able to sue.
They had nothing.
OK, you're going to fight inflation.
Tell me how.
They came out with general ideas and they didn't have a damn plan.
Yeah.
You know, it's so funny that you bring it up because my degree is in basket weaving, Carl.
So that's exciting.
But I think I do think you're right, though, Amy.
If we started allowing people to sue the universities instead of just waiting for the government handouts, you're right.
And there are so many problems right now with our party, and so much of it comes from leadership.
Today, I've been saying that Mitch McConnell gamed all of us.
I don't think he really cared about winning the majority in the Senate.
He let Blake Masters hang.
He let Adam Laxalt hang.
He had no intention of helping Hershel Walker.
He is not He allowed them to be outspent.
Democrats fought.
Yes, they had to spend a lot of money, but they maintained those seats because Mitch McConnell failed, not because Donald Trump failed.
And I also think we need a new leader of the RNC.
I'd love to see someone like a Lee Zeldin come in who knows how to identify issues, who knows how to talk to people, and who knows how to fight.
Those would be great changes to the Republican Party.
I am disappointed, and I do hear what you're saying, and I don't necessarily disagree because, gosh, the future, we have no guarantees.
So if you tell Ron DeSantis, hey, you can run in four years, you can run again in 2028, these are things that we can't guarantee someone.
But I do think if they brokered a deal and Trump gets in, and in four years, or after Ron DeSantis is done as governor of Florida, he gets appointed as Secretary of State or some high-level position within the Trump administration, he's beautifully appointed to Yeah, I don't.
And I don't disagree with that, again.
I just don't like the attack.
I think right now is the time to show a united front.
And frankly, I think the better way for Trump to push DeSantis to the side is to attack—honestly, to attack the Democrat Party, to attack the leadership, Jen, I was one out saying before the election, I had Ned Ryan on my podcast, and I thought Trump should have announced before the election.
And I'll tell you why.
What is the narrative from the Republican Party?
What do they stand for?
And this is where, and this is why I got a little frustrated with the jab at DeSantis.
DeSantis isn't an average governor.
Yes, Trump did give him the position, but Trump didn't give him the spine.
But I feel like Trump should have announced before the election because I saw that the GOP didn't have a freaking clue when it comes to narrative.
And you need someone to come in and to start setting the narrative.
Because going forward, the race that we're going to be looking at in 2023 is who can set the narrative.
The GOP is scared to do it.
They don't know how to do it.
So I think it's a waste of time for Trump to go after DeSantis.
If you want DeSantis out, the way that you push DeSantis out is you start moving forward with your agenda.
You do it in a positive manner.
You tell people how you're going to make America great again.
You tell people how you're going to make their pockets fat again.
You start listing the things that you've accomplished and the things that you're going to do again based upon how the Democrats are destroying the country.
And you just go point by point, and you keep blasting the Democrats.
And then, guess what they have to do?
They have to focus on Trump and policy.
So, I'm not mad at Trump.
I just think it was the wrong tactic, and it was definitely too early.
If DeSantis announces, okay, then go after him.
I just don't think there's any need, because I do think we have to be realistic.
There is no guarantee.
I hear it all the time.
Four years Trump, eight years DeSantis.
That's right.
There is no guarantee.
Guys, this country is almost gone because Biden and these left-wing radicals have been in office for just two, three years.
So we have to be able to fight.
Carl Jackson, always such great perspective from you.
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There's new polling out that says Republicans and Republican-leaning independents Now prefer Ron DeSantis over former President Trump.
Do we believe this?
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This is a survey conducted by YouGov and found that 42% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents said they would prefer DeSantis over Trump.
35% say they would prefer Trump over DeSantis.
This happened after the memo, the statement made by President Trump with the Ron DeSanctimonious.
Curfuffle inside of it.
I still contend that President Trump, when he announces tomorrow, he'll have my support.
I think he should have the support of the country.
There are so many things that need Trump's attention, including, and you heard it from Carl Jackson, foreign policy is a must.
Today, I call him Chairman Joe.
President Biden goes shuffling into the G20 meeting.
He has a meeting with Xi Jinping from China.
He looks kind of out of it.
He talked about being in Colombia instead of being in Cambodia, and he said that he wants no conflict, that he wanted to make sure China knew there would be no conflict that we would seek.
He didn't mention the origins of COVID.
He didn't mention all of the Chinese-produced fentanyl.
None of that.
No balance to the trade inequities.
Don't we need someone in here fighting for this country?
Not just saying we don't want conflict with China.
Of course nobody wants to go to war with China, but we need a leader who's strong enough to at least ask the tough questions.
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That person I believe is President Trump, who we'll hear from tomorrow.
Let's jump into some of your calls, by the way.
A lot going on about Mitch McConnell, whether or not he bears some responsibility in Republicans losing the Senate.
Of course, should it be Trump or DeSantis?
Tomorrow's the big day.
That's the announcement.
DeSantis not saying he's running, but I think many of us who are Trump supporters would like to hear him say he's not.
Sandy in Arizona on line four.
You're up next on America First.
Hi, Sandy.
Hi, Jennifer.
Thank you for taking my call, hon.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Tell us what's going on in Arizona, first of all.
Well, here's the thing.
I'm going to quote Carrie Lake to all the Trump haters right now.
Well, I wouldn't say they've all switched to DeSantis.
There's a quote Carrie Lake made the other day.
She said, stop smoking the hunter crack, the pipe.
OK?
And I'm serious.
I agree with her 100%.
You know what?
Loyalty is a big thing.
Our party has no loyalty.
It seems we're becoming, you know, sensitive, just like these Democrats who are thinking with their emotion.
Politics is a dirty game, okay?
And Trump has a good heart, no matter what comes out of his mouth.
Deep down inside, the man has done so much for so many people, okay?
Well, and he's doing it for the country.
That's one thing I'm sure of.
Say what you will about, you know, take what he says, Sandy, with a grain of salt or however he says things that people get offended by.
I don't.
But he doesn't have to do this.
He's doing this because he thinks he can make real change, good change, and meaningful change in this country.
Don't you agree?
I agree 100%, honey.
And the thing was, this is what we have, a quote in our culture.
We say, I trust somebody who speaks with their mouth volatile, but they are deep down inside, there's nothing in their heart, like no mean intention in their heart.
Had Trump hated DeSantis, he would not have endorsed him for governor.
Okay?
And yes, he's sensitive.
The man is very, he likes loyalty.
And let me tell you one thing.
I don't think DeSantis will be running.
I don't want any... Don't hold my word, but DeSantis left Washington because he was a congressman for a reason.
He didn't like the environment.
He wanted to be governor.
So I highly, highly doubt he's going to go back to that swamp.
I would disagree because I do think that Ron DeSantis is ambitious.
I do think that he wants to be president.
He has shot to a lot of fame and notoriety.
People are calling him the best governor in the country when it comes to his performance in Florida.
So I do think that he wants to run for president.
I do also think that there are probably a lot of rumors swirling that he's investigating a run right now, which is why you saw that attack from Trump.
What we know about Trump is that he doesn't start a war, but he is a counter puncher.
So obviously somebody brought Trump something that would indicate that DeSantis was trying to sniff around about a run for the presidency.
If everybody is smart and if everybody, cooler heads prevail, and this is the danger of having all of those never-Trumper talking heads, media members and members of the establishment, our colleagues, some of them on talk radio, trying to bolster up Ron DeSantis's ego and try to bolster up the anger that Trump feels because everybody has thrown everything at Trump, including the FBI, including the government.
I mean, he's been under attack for years.
They're trying to pump this up so that we have a civil war in our party that will result in nobody winning.
And that's the problem.
We need everybody to keep their eye on the prize.
And DeSantis, I think at this point, needs to let Trump run in 2024 and then figure out what his future looks like in 2028.
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Thanks, Sandy, for the call.
Larry in Long Beach, you're on Line 5.
You know that, Larry, I like alliteration.
Are you really from Long Beach?
Such a coincidence.
Hi.
Well, I actually am.
And you're really Larry.
Yeah, I actually am.
So I'm very happy to be talking with you.
I listen to your show every morning and I love what you do.
Now right up right up front.
I'd like to say very quickly, the election processes have got to be fixed, but I don't have a lot of confidence in that since each state can make up their own rules.
So I don't know how we're going to figure that out.
And then, actually, I think McCarthy and McConnell have both got to go.
America is done with the status quo.
We really need to get something done and something tangible done.
And then, thirdly, the reason I really called was to say that I love Mr. Trump.
I voted for him.
I have all of his memorabilia.
I think he's going to go down as one of the great presidents of history.
But I do not think he can win in 2024, and I'd like to be able to explain why.
Yeah, I would love to hear why.
Why do you think that?
All right.
Mr. Obama, in 2008, when he first ran, garnered 69 million votes.
And I think he's probably one of the most popular Democrat presidents of history.
He garnered 69 million votes.
The next election, well, he garnered 60 million votes.
Now, Mr. Biden, after having spent six months in his basement, garnered 81 million votes.
I think he garnered 81 million votes because Mr. Trump was so hated by Democrats, 20 million of them that probably would not have voted, went out to vote simply because they hated Mr. Trump, not because they liked Joe Biden.
And I think when those 20 million go out to vote that wouldn't have voted otherwise, they're also going to punch the rest of their ballots.
The reason that I disagree with you on that, Larry, and I appreciate the point.
Look, we have to have these conversations, I think, for sure.
If you look at California, if that were true, we would have someone else besides Gavin Newsom sitting in the governor's office in California.
He's not popular.
He wouldn't drive enthusiasm.
And a candidate who was not offensive ran against him this time around in Brian Dally, yet we still don't have Brian Dally in governor's mansion.
We have Gavin Newsom.
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Larry Elder is here, host of the Larry Elder Show.
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Larry Elder is here.
Hi, Larry.
How are ya?
Thank you so much for having me.
I appreciate it.
You are traveling all over, I know.
And before we chat about that, let's talk about a couple of things.
First, we have on tap the big announcement scheduled for Donald Trump tomorrow.
He's jumping into the race for the presidency in 2024.
A lot of media establishment types Are trying to turn this into a civil war, I believe, between Ron DeSantis and Donald Trump.
Ron DeSantis hasn't said he's running yet, but certainly there is stuff happening behind the scenes.
And what do you make of that?
Do you think there's room for both of them?
Or do you feel like I do, where it should be maybe Trump then DeSantis, not Trump versus DeSantis?
Well, the media doesn't need to make it into a civil war.
Donald Trump has already fired the first shot by calling him Ron Sanctimonious and saying that but for Donald Trump, he would not have become governor and that he had some dirt on Ron that he may put out in the event that Ron decides to run.
So I think the first volley has already been fired by Mr. Trump.
Yeah, there's room for people.
As you know, I'm thinking about running myself.
And I think it's healthy for us to have a primary.
And I don't think that Donald Trump expected to be, what's the word, coronated?
Coronated.
Yeah, I don't think so either.
Yeah.
I don't think Donald Trump expected there to be a coronation, and there's not going to be one.
Mike Pompeo is going to run, probably.
Nikki Haley is probably going to run.
I think Mike Pence is going to run.
So this could be very, very interesting.
Now, because you brought it up, do you have any announcements for us, Larry?
Because you just said you are thinking about it.
We know this.
You've been traveling around.
I am not sure you're in Iowa for the weather right now.
So what are you thinking about?
I'm in Iowa for the state fair where I was during the summer.
They have pork chop on a stick.
They've got bacon on a stick.
They've got butter on the stick.
That's why I've gained about 15 pounds.
I haven't been able to lose it.
So I'm in Iowa for the food.
No, I'll make a pre-announcement.
My pre-announcement is I'm thinking about running for president.
And if I decide to do it, I'll be announcing officially sometime early next year.
How's that?
Well, I love it, and I think no matter whether it's Trump or it's Elder or it's DeSantis or it's Haley, what do you think needs to be that top issue that Republicans are moving forward with?
Because there's been a lot of controversy about whether or not we got the messaging right.
I feel like we did.
I don't know how you can say that talking about people's pocketbooks and their safety is wrong, but what should it be?
Well, it should be those pocketbook issues, but I do think we underestimated the power of a couple of issues.
One, abortion.
And the other one is this phony issue of so-called election denial.
When Roe v. Wade got overturned, I wasn't terribly concerned about it, although there was a flurry for a while, a threat on the part of conservatives that's going to energize the Democrats.
But I thought it was going to go away.
I thought it had gone away.
The polling suggested that it had.
But the exit polling suggested that the polling was wrong.
It was the number two issue after the economy and well ahead of crime.
And so we got that wrong.
And I think a lot of Republicans fail to convince people that the The reality is all the reversal of Roe did is put this issue back to the states where it was for the first nearly 200 years of our republic.
What's wrong with that?
And I think a lot of Democrats believe that Yeah.
The reversal of role meant that abortion was going to be illegal.
And I think it was a bad move on the part of Lindsey Graham to suggest that there's going to be some sort of national legislation to codify restrictions on abortion.
It should not be a federal issue, either pro-choice or pro-life.
It should be a statewide issue.
And I think that scared a lot of people.
Regarding the election-denying nonsense, you know, Carrie Lake, I thought, handled it pretty well when she informed her voters that Hillary's been denying elections for five years.
And Stacey Ayderman denying elections for two years.
And Al Gore to this day believes that the Supreme Court put George W. Bush in office.
Benny Thompson, the chair of the January 6th committee, tried to overturn the election first week of January 2005 by claiming that the Ohio D-Bowl voting machines have been tampered with.
There's no evidence of that.
My point is, for 22 years, Democrats have been denying elections.
I think a lot of Democrats are unaware of that.
The reason I know that is I was in Dallas at an airport just a couple of days ago, Jen, and I'm talking to this moderate, self-described moderate, Polly Sci professor.
And he was talking about how he felt that election denying hurt the Republicans on Tuesday.
And I told him what I told you about Hillary denying election for five years.
He said, and I quote, I never heard her do that.
I said, Professor, with all due respect, you are part of the problem, that you are unaware she's been saying it at meetings, in book signings, in speeches, on television.
And some guy who wasn't even hearing the conversation yelled, and she's been saying it on her book tours.
So this professor, teaching kids, is unaware that Hillary has been an election denier for seven years.
Larry, hang on.
We're going to ask you to stick around for another segment because we've got to talk about Republican leadership and the failures there as well.
All of this as we kind of figure out what happened last week on Election Day and how we can do better moving forward to 2024.
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Larry Elder is here.
We call him the Sage, or as I like to do, I bark it a little bit and go, Sage, Sage, Sage!
The Sage, Larry Elder.
You can find him at Larry Elder on Twitter.
He is the host of the Larry Elder Show on the Epic Times and elderforamerica.com.
And Larry, welcome back.
You know, I kind of, I was just thinking things through this weekend.
And all of this blame when, really, the red wave wasn't as disappointing, I guess, as I thought.
The Senate map heavily favored Democrats.
Republicans created enough momentum to put it into play.
And then Mitch McConnell left many of these candidates, like Hershel Walker, like Blake Masters, like Adam Laxalt in Nevada, out to dry.
They didn't have nearly enough money.
They didn't have any support, really, from Republicans, I thought, could this have been on purpose from Mitch McConnell because he didn't want those folks infiltrating a Senate that is favorable to him?
And of course, with a loss comes the blame game, which he knew the media would love to hang around the neck of Donald Trump.
What do you think about that with Mitch McConnell?
No, I don't.
I don't think he wanted them to lose.
But I do think that he underestimated the amount of money that he should have put in those races.
But big picture, Jennifer, I just saw an article by a long-time conservative named Richard Vigery, and he talked about the fact that in the last 20 years, the non-profits that are liberal have out-raised the non-profits that are conservative by 700%.
In the last 20 years, there have been 20,000 single-issue non-profits that have filed for tax-exempt status with the IRS, versus between 1,000 and 2,000 single-issue non-profits on our side.
The money is being generated by the Democrats.
They're outspending us.
They're out organizing us.
They're out ballot harvesting us.
They're early voting, and we're simply asleep at the switch on all sorts of levels.
So I don't put a whole lot of blame on Mitch McConnell for all of that.
Some of it had to do with so-called candidate quality.
On the other hand, what do you say about John Ferryman?
What do you say about Joe Biden?
They survived.
I mean, you may think that Dr. Oz wasn't conservative.
Whatever you think about Dr. Oz, he was a better candidate than John Fetterman.
I mean, I guess in that state, and again, we look state by state to see what went wrong, half the state had already voted by the time that people even heard John Fetterman have a debate or utter a full sentence against Dr. Oz.
I think there are many things that need to happen, including leadership changes that would make sure we're in these states that matter, and even in our state of California, and start fighting to get election laws back in check again.
Absolutely.
We need to have same-day voting, not season-long elections.
We need to have paper ballots.
We need to have an ID, and we need to count them on that day.
Uh, and, uh, remember when I was growing up, uh, the only way you voted absentee ballot is if you were disabled, if you were sick, or you were going to be out of the country.
But this business of people voting so early, and you're quite right, in Pennsylvania...
Half of the voters had already voted before the debate between Oz and Fetterman.
And so it didn't have the effect it should have had.
It's ridiculous to vote as early as we're doing.
And Democrats are doing that because they know that's their advantage.
Out here in California, there's a little place called Culver City.
I know you know Culver City.
They had a proposition on the ballot to lower the voting age to 16.
The polls show between 16 and 17-year-olds are far more likely to be more liberal than their parents.
That's why they're doing it.
They wouldn't be having that conversation if 16 and 17 year olds were more conservative than their parents.
My point is Democrats change the rules and bend the rules and modify the rules for their benefit and we need to fight back.
And what's your experience?
I think it's so interesting to chat with you about this because if you don't know, Larry was a candidate for governor in our state of California and he made great progress.
There was so much momentum flying at you.
But for those folks who say that an issue with Donald Trump is that people just don't like him and that they're going to be nicer to someone like a Larry Elder or Ron DeSantis.
That's just not true, because I saw what the media did in California to you, Larry.
I mean, they were trying to rip you apart.
Now, they didn't because you've got thick skin and you had great responses to them, but they tried.
That's something that they're never going to stop doing.
I don't care who the candidate is, if they're running as a Republican.
Well, that's right.
I was called, as you know, the black face of white supremacy.
And the guy that Gavin Newsom ran against this time is named Ryan Dawley, and there was a conference between Gavin Newsom and his supporters, and he referred to Dawley as, quote, Trump through and through.
So it doesn't matter.
You know, they ran ad after ad after ad when I was running, and the ad always showed the picture of Donald Trump and me with our thumbs up.
Even though Donald Trump did not formally endorse me, did not get involved in my candidacy, they linked us to Trump.
And if DeSantis is the nominee in 2024, next thing you know, he'll be the new Hitler.
That's what they do.
That's how they roll.
They play the race card.
They play the Nazi card.
It doesn't matter.
Yeah, and I think that's something that we have to be prepared for.
If you do jump into this race for the presidency, if you run again, you were a great candidate in California.
What do you need to see?
What changes should be made at both the state and at the national level for Republican Party support?
Can we rely on the Republican Party to support any of our good candidates?
Well, that's a good question.
As you know, the party did not support me when I ran.
The state party did not.
And Kevin McCarthy told the congressional delegation not to get involved in this race.
Only two of them formally endorsed me, Doug LaMalfa in the Sacramento area, and Michelle Steele.
Outside of that, all of the rest of them stayed out of it.
They wanted Kevin Faulkner, the two-term mayor of San Diego, to be the frontrunner, and when he wasn't, Kevin McCarthy told everybody to stay out of it.
It might have been a whole different deal if I hadn't gotten outspent five, six, or seven to one the way I was.
And I got 3.5 million votes, Jen.
Brian Dolly got 2.4 million votes.
I got 1.1 million votes more than he did.
And he was running against Gavin Newsom alone.
I ran against Gavin Newsom and 45 other people on the replacement side.
So who knows what would have happened if McCarthy and the Democratic Party here in California had gotten behind me.
But one of the things I'm going to do if I decide to run, Jan, is talk about two issues that we don't spend enough time talking about.
And the first one is the complete demise of the nuclear intact family.
40% of kids entering the world right now in America Enter the world without a father married to the mother.
70% of black kids, half of Hispanic kids, 25% of white kids, substantially up from what it was in 1965.
You've heard me say this before.
Through our welfare state, we've incentivized women to marry the government and incentivized men to abandon their financial and moral responsibility.
That's why we have the crime.
That's why we have the dropouts.
The other major issue is this BS about America being systemically racist.
When Obama got elected, he walked into the White House with 70%, even though he only won with 52%.
Why?
Because so many people who didn't vote for him thought, at the very least, he'll bring about some racial reconciliation, he'll put a fork to the notion that America is systemically racist.
He did the opposite, to the point where he left, blacks and browns felt race relations got worse because he played the race card time and time and time again.
Whether it was Trayvon Martin, if I had a son, he looked like Trayvon, or Embracing Black Lives Matter, you name it, he played the race card.
He did it every single time.
And Larry Elder, always so much fun talking with you.
Check him out right now at Larry Elder, all the social media platforms, The Larry Elder Show, on the Epoch Times, and of course, elderforamerica.com.
And Larry, thanks so much for being with us today.
There is so much more up ahead.
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Thank you, Larry.
Thank you.
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We thank you for being with us.
Lots to talk about.
Trump getting ready to make his big announcement tomorrow.
Mitch McConnell finally getting a little pushback.
Does he have to own some of the losses in the United States Senate?
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Pete in Ohio, line one, you're up first on America First.
How about that, Pete?
You're first all the way around.
Get out of here!
One of the perks of waiting for an hour plus on hold is that I get to listen to your program uninterrupted and you're doing a stellar job.
You're a spy!
You get to listen to the whole thing.
Well, thank you, Pete.
I really appreciate that.
Thank you.
I'm so impressed.
I'm so impressed.
You're doing a great job.
I've got a couple of quick points.
Thank you.
And I apologize, but I'm going to mumble through them.
Go for it.
Look at what all of the people that are against Trump have in common.
Their establishment, the media.
We allow them to dictate the narrative.
They want to throw a grenade into the room and just wait outside for it to go off for the Republican Party.
So they need to get rid of Trump.
In order for that to happen.
We've got great bench and they're trying to take out our quarterback.
Just let Trump be the quarterback.
Imagine what would have been, we'll always wonder this as voting adults, what it would have been if he had gotten the second term.
Well now we get a chance to find that out.
And the thing about DeSantis, what Trump said, it's what he didn't say that I think we should focus on.
DeSantis used, and I was a little disappointed because I'm a huge DeSantis fan, I wish we had him here in Ohio.
And which, by the way, Trump will always carry Ohio.
Good, good.
He gave a canned answer.
Oh, I'm focused on being governor.
I'm not interested.
I'm not talking about the presidency right now.
That isn't what Trump wanted to hear.
Politics 101.
That's that answer.
Right.
Of course, he wanted to know.
I'm not running.
He got a whiff of that pot vapor and all of a sudden he's got a buzz and he feels he's got to say the same thing as everyone else.
And he didn't need to do that.
What he could have said, and I think this is where Trump was going.
And I hope everybody pays attention to this.
Is that Trump was saying, you know, you could have just said, DeSantis, you could have said, no, Trump's got that.
He needs, he's got unfinished business.
I'm focused on the governorship.
If Trump calls me for the VP slot, I'm going to take that call.
But right now I'm going to support Donald Trump and I urge everyone else in the party to do the same.
He didn't say that.
Yeah, and I think you're right.
And Pete, I'm so 100% on board with you.
I don't hate DeSantis.
I think he's doing a wonderful job.
I think we need to cultivate two really big stars.
But Trump does have unfinished business, and he knows how to go in there and do it quickly because he's only going to have four more years.
So we got to have him get in there, do it.
And I think DeSantis needs to be explicit.
In saying President Trump was great for this country, I'm on board and I'm going to support him.
It doesn't even have to be about the VP, because there are a lot of issues which we can talk about when it comes to whether or not it would even be workable for them to both be president and VP from a state of Florida, from a single state.
So we'll talk about that, but at least a denial, saying I'm not running.
Let President Trump have his time.
I think that's the bottom line.
Pete in Ohio, thanks so much for the phone call.
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And I'm very proud to introduce our guest host for today, Jennifer Horn.
Thank you, Dr. G. That is Sebastian Gorka.
He is out today, but he will be back.
I'm Jennifer Horne.
Happy to be sitting in.
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President Biden told leaders that the U.S.
Chairman Joe, while he was shuffling through Cambodia, he is at the G20 summit and had a meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping.
And in that meeting, President Biden told leaders that the U.S. competition would not veer into conflict with China on Sunday.
This is his report to our Asian allies in meeting with President Xi today.
He said he wanted to avoid conflict.
He didn't talk about the fentanyl problem that is being generated in China, didn't talk about the origins of the COVID virus, didn't talk about the inequities with trade.
Instead, he said he wanted to continue our friendly relationship after reminding Xi just how much time they spent together in the past.
Remember, that was one of those claims that Biden has made along the campaign trail before he became president.
Of course, now as president, he echoes those claims.
So we'll see what comes from that.
Not a mention of Taiwan.
And of course, the big fear is that China is planning on invading that area of the world.
Our foreign policy, just one of the problems facing this country, Biden has really kind of driven our economy, our standing in the world stage, crime and safety, all going downhill.
And tomorrow, we're expecting to hear from President Trump, we're expecting to hear his big announcement that he is going to run for the presidency in 2024.
The question is, is it time for Trump?
Is it time for DeSantis?
Or is it someone else A lot of people still think that President Trump is the way I'm one of those people.
I think that he has a job to finish.
I think he is the best president in my lifetime.
He put out so much during his time as the presidency.
So many achievements.
So many successes.
Under duress while the media and everybody was coming at him.
Investigations.
Everything was thrown, including the kitchen sink.
President Trump, and he continued on delivering for the American people.
We need more of that, in my opinion.
New polling and some established Republicans are saying that it's time for change.
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Meanwhile, we're still watching the counting going on in the House of Representatives.
Right now, it seems that Republicans are getting closer to a majority than...
They're at 212.
Democrats at 204.
You need 218 to get a majority.
And NBC News today predicting that we will indeed, Republicans will indeed capture the majority.
219 seats for Republicans is the projection by NBC News.
John Ratcliffe, who served during the Trump administration, talked about what even a slim majority does for Republicans and for the country.
This is cut six.
But in addition to getting stuff done, it's stopping bad things from happening.
So people can't lose sight of the fact that even by the smallest of margins, a Republican-controlled House of Representatives provides a tremendous firewall against the worst legislative intentions of the Biden administration.
Things like the Inflation Reduction Act won't happen, can't happen with a Republican-controlled House.
Well, we will see.
Some people, there's some school of thought out there saying that a slim margin for Republicans actually helps candidates like President Trump MAGA Americans because it gives more power to groups within the party like the Freedom Caucus, that they can actually broker a deal with Kevin McCarthy before they offer him support as Speaker of the House.
And if that's true, maybe bringing more transparency and more power back to the people.
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Lots of topics to discuss.
The future of the Republican Party, front and center.
And of course, the debate, Trump versus DeSantis.
Well, I'm Trump, then DeSantis.
Sheldon in California, online one.
You're up on America First.
Hi, Sheldon.
Hey, Jennifer.
Hi.
Hi.
Yeah, here in LA County.
Yeah, McAuliffe.
McCullough was High State's name, I forget already.
He's definitely purging the Republican Party to fit his ideas and what he likes.
And even to the point where he took our money and he didn't use it.
That's like fraud.
The other thing is... Are you talking about Kevin McCarthy or are you talking about Mitch McConnell?
Mitch.
Good old Mitch.
Oh, Mitch McConnell.
Sorry about that.
Okay.
Yes.
Yes.
Mitch McConnell taking money and not putting it in races where people wanted to see it.
They didn't put anything where we asked, where we donated to.
It's a bunch of baloney.
The other thing is, As conservatives, we have to start speaking conceptually.
As conservatives, we love facts.
We love truth.
The guy you had a while ago?
Carl Jackson, yes.
Yeah.
I want to go further with that.
We have to start speaking conceptually.
As conservatives, we love facts.
We love truth.
But a list of facts and truth only tells you something.
We've got to start telling a story.
You got to start selling.
And I've been texting here and there trying to find the right person to talk to.
But so when you get to Herschel and get him a coach, a performance coach, and they got to start helping that guy even to look better on TV.
But we just got to start being able to say things Like Reagan did.
Reagan always told a story.
You go watch Reagan, you see how he does it, man.
It's beautiful.
And we could do the same thing.
I know.
He was a great communicator.
Look what Joe's done with us.
I mean, he's always talked about putting you in chains.
Hey, America, man, he's got you handcuffed, baby.
You're in chains.
You can't get your family going.
Are you saying that Chairman Joe is not as good a communicator as the great communicator Ronald Reagan?
I think that's the understatement of the day, Sheldon.
I think you're absolutely right about that.
Biden struggles to even tell you what he wants for lunch.
But I do believe that there are lessons to be learned from Ronald Reagan, and one of them—thank you for the phone call, Sheldon—in my mind is that sense of optimism.
The sense and I think as much as people laugh about Trump being so rough around the edges, what drew me to Trump and I was one that loved him from the minute he came down the escalator and that is not true of many of my colleagues in talk radio.
A lot of people had to just kind of begrudgingly come to the table to support Trump.
I got it from the beginning.
And part of that is because he was optimistic.
As much as he was funny and plain spoken and a little rough around the edges, you knew that he loved this country and that he wanted to see good things for the country.
And that's what I'm hoping we're going to get from President Trump tomorrow, is that same style when he announces.
And I think there is something to it, storytelling, because half of the country votes with their feelings.
The conservative half typically votes with their minds.
So we got to reach people, their hearts and their minds, and I think tell a better story.
Great phone call.
Joe in Illinois on line two.
Hi, Joe.
Hey, Jen.
Yeah, I think the original attraction to Don the Builder was he was not a politician.
That was my first attraction to him.
And I believe the perfect running mate for Mr. Trump Would be Carrie Lake.
Like, she's a firecracker, and they kind of speak from the same, you know, shoot from the same hip, you know?
Yeah, it's probably a possibility.
She's probably on a list somewhere, I would think, Joe.
And I love Carrie Lake.
I think she's got an incredible future.
But is she ready to go?
Is she ready to be president, do you think?
I think we need a woman on the ticket, and I like the way she talks.
I know.
Straight to the point.
And not afraid of pushing back to all this censorship and monitoring of the news.
I would love to see Trump run with a woman, too.
Look, I think our friend Larry Elder would make a great vice presidential candidate for Trump.
And Joe, thank you for the phone call.
If we are playing that game, one of my great friends, Congressman Mike Garcia, who just won in California's 27th congressional district, he's up.
He won in a district that leans Democrat by 12 points.
And really never gave away that allegiance to President Trump or even made it a part of his race.
He just ran for his constituents.
But he says if Trump announces tomorrow, he'd like to see him announce a vice president soon after, if not at the same time.
And I would, too.
I think that only helps add power to your ticket.
And I would love for it to be a good conservative woman, because I think one place where Trump struggles—and I don't know why, because I love the way President Trump communicates, but Some women are turned off by that rough rhetoric, by the rough talk, by the jokes.
So maybe he needs someone who is a woman who can speak to other women to bring them in and communicate his messages.
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Is that Carrie Lake?
Is it Kristi Noem?
Is it Nikki Haley?
I don't know.
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You're up next.
Hi, Marianne.
Hi, Jan.
I listen to you and Grant every morning.
I love you.
Thank you.
First of all, I have to disagree with the previous caller a few calls ago that said Biden got 81 million votes.
There's no way I know how we all know that.
Anyway, wink, wink, wink.
We'll just say that.
Anyway, I would like Trump to come out and surprise everybody.
And say he's going to put a pause and have everybody focus on getting the Senate seat and supporting Herschel Walker.
I think he can help Herschel though, Marianne, he can help Herschel and still run for the presidency at the same time.
It might even actually bring more power and more attention to Herschel Walker, perhaps.
There's so much hate on the other side at this point.
I mean, I love Trump, I do, but I think he turned a lot of people off with the attack and give it a little cool-down period, have them not about me.
All right, Marianne.
So you say a cooling-off period.
Thank you for the phone call.
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And I told you at the beginning of the show, I said, guys, this one is about you because this is a conversation that Republicans need to have.
We need to be talking about who is going to carry our party into 2024.
I'm firmly in the camp of Donald Trump.
I think he is the one that is best positioned to go in there and make real change and do it quickly.
He knows how to get in and do it, and I think he's ready.
And I hope to see it.
He's getting ready to make a big announcement tomorrow.
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Establishment Republicans and the media, everybody seems to be throwing some air and eco points in the direction of Ron DeSantis, who had a big night on election night last Tuesday.
And then there are others.
Who's going to come along and jump into the race as well?
Who will President Trump pick as his VP?
And how much accountability should be given for some of the Republican losses to some of the leaders of the GOP, the RNC?
Mitch McConnell in the Senate, Kevin McCarthy, 833-33-GORKA, Tony in San Antonio on Line 5.
Hi, Tony!
It's Tommy, but that's okay, Jennifer.
Thanks for having me.
Even better.
Hi, Tommy.
It definitely is Trump who we've got to put forward.
I also agree with you that he should announce his VP sooner rather than later, and this might surprise you.
I actually think that it should be Tulsi Gabbard.
If you listen to why she left the Democrat Party recently, I think it reflects the same reason why a lot of Americans have left the Democrat Party.
I think we need to bring those people over, and I think she's probably a good person to do it.
I may not agree with everything she's said or done, but I do believe that she's the kind of politician who wants to put America first.
I had kind of a visceral reaction when you said her name, not because I don't like Chelsea Gabbard.
I do.
I just think that Republicans that are putting a lot of faith in her are kind of falling victim to wishful thinking.
I think that she wants to see good things for the country.
I think the argument that she's going to somehow bring any Democrat along to vote for her Is not a good one.
Democrats hate Tulsi Gabbard because she's called them out.
So I don't think she's one that can bring in, I think some people might call it the middle third.
I don't think that she does that.
What I worry about with Tulsi is that she is not very supportive of the Second Amendment.
In fact, she's spoken out against gun owners and the NRA quite frequently.
She's also, and I believe unless she's changed her view, she's pretty pro-choice, I believe.
Not that that necessarily has to be a metric that would kick someone out of Trump's VP position, but I do think it's something that we have to think about as conservatives where, as much as Mike Pence kind of fell apart at the end, and I think we would have all liked to have seen more from Mike Pence, for a long time he was a really good VP for Trump because he was someone that had seriousness, he didn't conflict with his personality, but he added some seriousness to the Trump candidacy, and I don't know if Tulsi Gabbard can do that.
What do you think about any of those arguments, Tommy?
Still convinced it's her?
Well, I can make some very blatant valid points, Jennifer.
And you can be!
However, I really think that, you know, as much as I am of course anti-abortion and pro-life, I think that, you know, most of the country unfortunately isn't.
And we have to kind of, you know, have purpose there.
Yeah.
Tommy, thanks so much for the phone call.
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Elizabeth in New York on line 4.
Hi, Elizabeth.
Oh my goodness.
Good afternoon or good evening, Jennifer.
Hi.
I'm very... I'll just tell you this, that I got fired for being called Little Trumpet.
I will say that one.
No, I'm sorry you lost your job, but I appreciate your love for Donald Trump and the country.
Um, that man from the very beginning was not a politician.
He gave up a fantastic life that I only wish I had to give it all for this country.
And I've been watching politics on and off for my entire life.
I'm not and I'm not exactly 30 and I want to keep this short.
What that man went through for six or seven years is inhuman.
I know.
And everybody's acting about one tweet.
About this guy from Florida, as if they were 12-year-old girls.
He's human.
And I have a place in Florida, and I gave DeSantis a shake.
And I watched him.
And I also lived in New York City, where I remember everybody literally having, you know, whatever, dreams about Cuomo, who was everybody's darling during COVID.
What DeSantis did, actually, was not do anything.
It was the opposite of issuing a mandate that doesn't take anything to do, but don't do it.
So I'm not taking anything away from him.
But to not do something is not the same thing as doing something.
Okay?
Yeah, yeah, I kind of get that.
So where are you going with this?
So you think that what should DeSantis be doing right now?
Should he be coming out and saying he's not running for president?
What would you like to see from him?
What I would like to see from him is what I won't see from him, because I heard you say something.
You say he's ambitious.
I gave DeSantis a chance, and I said, Liz, don't judge.
Listen to the guy speak.
Don't prejudge.
Because I've already seen what Trump can do, not just for the country, but for all the countries that America has enemies.
And America suddenly forgot that they have enemies.
I listened for 45 minutes to DeSantis.
This was after the Mar-a-Lago raid.
I waited and was quiet.
One word.
Yeah.
And I saw that, you know, it's funny, Elizabeth, because we get a little snippet of what you want to talk about.
And you actually made me think, why didn't he say anything?
DeSantis did not say much about that Trump raid.
And you're right about that.
Look, I think that DeSantis is an ambitious guy.
I think he wants to run for the presidency.
And I think it's probably pretty easy to get your ego pumped up when you hear everybody's talking about how great you are and you win by 20 points.
And you think, You can rule the world, but I think that that would be a hard reality.
I think the biggest way that you see Ron DeSantis's political career go up in flames is if he runs against Donald Trump.
You don't recover running against Donald Trump.
The smart thing for DeSantis to do Totally, 100% agree with you.
Donald Trump, make a deal for a position high up in his administration after he's done serving as governor in Florida, and then announce Iran all on his own.
I really believe we don't have to tear down DeSantis, but it definitely needs to be Trump, then DeSantis, not Trump versus DeSantis, Elizabeth.
Totally, 100% agree with you.
The thing that I don't bank on is his ego.
Yeah.
Thank you so much for the phone call.
I appreciate you.
Glenn in Arizona.
Hey, Glenn.
Hi, everyone.
So when Donald Trump ran the first time, he took Mike Pence because Mike Pence was looked at as kind of like an intellectual conservative, like a Tea Party.
More serious, yes.
Yeah.
And so there was, Donald Trump ran and he ran against 16 individuals.
Do you remember who the first individual to bail out to support him was?
Well, it was Scott Walker first, but I don't think that's who you're going to say.
Are you sure?
It was Dr. Carson.
Okay, because I thought in my mind it was Scott Walker, but we can agree.
I think Ben Carson has been a great ally to Trump and, by the way, served in the Trump administration.
And Ben Carson is an awesome guy.
I think he's fantastic.
And as a VP candidate, I think he would be somebody that President Trump should consider.
I think he's fantastic.
the right, the religious right, he marks the conservative right, and he marks all the...
Diversity, yeah.
For Trump to...
Ooh, your connection is kind of losing it here, Glenn, but thank you for the phone call.
I think Ben Carson's a really good idea.
I don't know if he brings a lot of, like, pep and excitement, but I think he brings solid and a good foundation for President Trump.
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Thank you, Dr. G. Seb Gorka will be back later this week.
I'm Jennifer Horne, happy to be in for him today and very happy to welcome back to the program a friend of both mine, Seb Gorka's, Joel Pollack is here.
And you should check him out on Twitter at Joel Pollack, Senior Editor at Large at Breitbart.
Breitbart.com is where you can find him.
And Joel, thank you so much for being with us.
As usual, you always come up with some lovely gem that catches my attention.
And we've been talking about the loss, the midterm elections, and whether or not you consider it to be a full loss, a big loss for Republicans.
It didn't reach the anticipation of the pollsters and the mainstream news media, to be sure.
But my thought is, was it kind of an inside job?
Do we have Mitch McConnell not putting money in the right races?
Because maybe he was happy that some of this blame is going to Donald Trump.
Maybe the Republican National Committee could have done a little bit more to shore up some of these election integrity issues that we've seen across the country.
And you had a conversation with Sean Steele, who is high up and operative in the Republican Party in California, who says, we're going to get murdered, essentially, if we don't start playing by Democrats' rules during these elections, including Ballot harvesting, which nobody wants to talk about.
Tell us about that conversation.
Well, Sean Steele is the Republican National Committeeman for California, and he is the husband of Representative Michelle Steele, who was narrowly reelected to Congress from Orange County.
She took that seat back for the Republican Party in 2020.
And perhaps because he has some skin in the game, so to speak, John Steele has spearheaded the effort to help Republicans play by the Democrats' rules in California.
Bell Harvesting has been legal in California since Jerry Brown signed it into law in 2016, and it shocked Republicans in 2018 when Democrats performed a near sweep of all seven of the districts in which Hillary Clinton had beaten Donald Trump.
I think Republicans held on in one or two seats, but basically Democrats One, many of those races simply by dumping a huge number of ballots legally that had been filled out and handed to party operatives.
Republicans decided that they have to do what Democrats were doing to survive.
The problem is that culturally Republican voters prefer to vote in person and don't like the idea of giving their ballots to a stranger.
So they had to develop different methods rather than going door to door.
As Democrats do, Republicans started collecting ballots in churches, in local Republican Party offices.
They put ballot boxes in places where conservatives were likely to gather.
And because of the trust that developed between voters and these institutions, Republicans were able to harvest ballots, not to the same extent perhaps the Democrats did, but in a way that allowed them at least to compete in these districts.
And so Republicans won back two of the four Orange County seats they lost.
And they are close, although perhaps not close enough, in the remaining two.
There are Democrats tonight who are still nervously eyeing the returns as they come in, in the 49th District, and I believe the 47th District, Katie Porter and Mike Levin.
They are likely to be elected, but by a very narrow majority returning to Congress.
So, Sean Steele and the California Republicans have ironically led the way in showing Republicans across the country that you have to compete with Democrats in this new vote-by-mail era.
I personally think that vote-by-mail is garbage, but as long as it is the system and there's no way to reverse it, given that you have to have both parties on board now to do it, Republicans ought to use it effectively.
Maybe Democrats will decide that single-day voting in person with photo ID is a good idea as soon as Republicans start showing up with truckloads of ballots.
Yeah, and I think that's really the only way, right?
When we start beating them at their own game, then maybe they'll want to change the rules.
But in the meantime, why would they?
They're winning elections.
They've extended election day into election month.
I mean, you look not just in our state of California, Joel, but you look at Pennsylvania, and you realize that half the state casts their ballots before John Fetterman even sat on a stage with Dr. Oz.
That's not an issue about quality candidates or not.
That's an issue about trying to get as many votes as you can in before people realize the real truth that happened with Biden, too.
That's right.
And it really is strange to ask voters to make a decision before the candidates have really had a chance to make their case.
So I think that vote by mail, especially in Pennsylvania, where there are 50 days allowed for vote by mail, is just not really democratic.
The Democrats seem to have this idea that Voting is a process of registering whatever subconscious political impulses your neurons might be firing.
I mean, if you have any sort of political feeling, they want to register that and hand it in on a ballot.
But for Republicans, voting is a kind of civic ritual.
Ironically, what vote by mail does is it takes us back to the days of the late 19th century.
When in the age before the secret ballot, the political parties actually controlled the voting process.
You showed up at a polling place and you said in public who you were voting for and the party operatives would hand in your ballot.
Now you have to do it on... I know, we're back to that again.
Now you just have to tell people on social media.
Joel Pollack, thanks so much.
Follow him right now at Joel Pollack.
Check out Breitbart as well.
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Thank you, Dr. G. I am Jennifer Horne.
Happy to be sitting in for Seb Gorka today on America First and happy to welcome back to the program my friend Joel Pollack is here, Senior Editor-at-Large at Breitbart.
Check him out, Breitbart.com.
And of course, always follow him on Twitter and all social media at Joel Pollack.
And Joel, thanks for coming back with us.
You are traveling all week.
Normally you're based in Los Angeles with me in our great state, the People's Republic of California, but You were actually out last night having dinner.
Was it Sunday night?
Yeah, having dinner with President Trump.
So what was that like?
How did you get to the... I mean, you were really hobnobbing and rubbing elbows with the president.
Well, I was invited to the annual dinner of the Zionist Organization of America, which is the oldest pro-Israel group in the United States.
And about three or four weeks after I accepted the invitation, they told me that Donald Trump had accepted an invitation as well.
They are giving him, and they gave him last night, the Theodor Herzl Gold Medallion, which is an award they've only given a handful of times in the entire 125-year history of the organization.
They gave it to Lord Arthur Balfour, who wrote the Balfour Declaration establishing the legal basis in international law for the State of Israel.
They gave it to Winston Churchill.
They gave it to Israeli Prime Ministers David Ben-Gurion and Golda Meir.
And that's just about it.
Oh, Harry S. Truman, they gave it to President Truman.
Wow.
He recognized Israel.
So, you know, that's five people.
And then Donald Trump for his outstanding contributions to the safety and security of the state of Israel and to the Jewish community in the United States.
It was a long overdue recognition.
And he deserves that.
He really did a lot for Israel.
He did, and the list is quite incredible.
We know about the move of the U.S.
Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, and the recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital, the sovereignty over the Golan Heights, the Abraham Accords, all of that.
But he also did a great service to the American Jewish community.
There was an executive order at the end of 2019 that placed Jewish students on campus College campuses across the nation under the protection of the nation's civil rights laws.
And this is very important because of the shocking degree of anti-semitism on campus.
In fact, right now there's a big controversy at UC Berkeley over the law school.
There are some law school student groups that are refusing to allow Jewish speakers who support Israel to address them.
And Berkeley is defending these groups saying, well, it's their freedom of association, even if it means violating freedom of speech.
So this is a huge problem.
The far left on university campuses has basically turned some of these places into anti-semitic campuses, and under a Trump administration, if President Trump were still around, you can be sure that the Department of Justice Civil Rights Division would be getting involved.
As it is right now, the Civil Rights Division is busy going after teachers who show up at school boards meetings to complain about transgenderism and critical race theory, but when they get back to enforcing real civil rights, they're going to go and look at these university campuses and what's happening.
And that's because of President Trump.
So it was a long overdue recognition.
And sadly and shamefully, I say this as a Jewish person involved in the Jewish community, it was the first time a nonpartisan Jewish group had actually thanked the president.
Of course, the Republican Jewish groups had done so.
But this is a nonpartisan organization.
It has Democrats involved, as well as Republicans, people who are just staunchly pro-Israel.
And they thanked President Trump.
So he flew up from Mar-a-Lago to receive the award and to give a speech, and he was very gracious.
It was Trump at his best, really.
And he got standing ovations over and over again.
You know, he obviously you saw him and gave a great speech and I heard wonderful things about what he had to say and he seemed grateful and happy.
You look at the pictures of him at his daughter Tiffany's wedding.
He looks great.
Tomorrow we expect a big announcement from President Trump.
So in your mind and how How are you handling it?
How is Breitbart handling President Trump's announcement?
Are we ready?
Are we ready for this?
And is the country ready for this?
Because everybody that's talked to us today on this program, by and large, is ready for another run at Trump.
Well, it's very interesting.
I think Republican voters are excited by the prospect of a primary.
You have people who are very staunchly pro-Trump.
You have those who believe the party should switch to a new candidate like Ron DeSantis, who's got a lot of momentum right now.
I think the voters want a primary.
They want the process to go forward.
They want to see the debates.
They want the nominee, the eventual nominee, whoever it is, to ask for their vote and their support.
And I think that's the way it's going to shake out.
You know, as Breitbart, we were a website quite identified, I think, with Donald Trump's first run for president, largely because we helped build the audience for a lot of the policies that he championed on trade and immigration and so forth.
And in this Round, I think we're very careful to frame ourselves as the Switzerland of this particular political war.
You know, we want to be there as a news organization that's going to cover what happens, that's going to let readers and listeners have a real sense of what the candidates are about and what the stakes are in this election.
And it's going to be a contest that I think Republican voters want to feel good about.
And they also want to feel that the party is going to come together at the end with whatever candidate is nominated with a sense of new leadership, new strength, new vitality, because even though there was such a huge turnout for Republicans in this midterm election, the results were rather disappointing, and people don't want to repeat that again in 2024.
They want a winner.
Do you think that DeSantis is really in?
Joel Pollack is with us, by the way, from Bright Bar at Joel Pollack on Twitter.
Do you think he's in?
Because so far we've heard not much from Ron DeSantis.
We haven't heard any denials.
We can imagine that President Trump made a statement against Ron DeSantis because he heard some spinning that DeSantis is investigating, at least, Iran.
But is it the wisest thing for him to do?
And do you think he's jumping in?
I think there is a stronger chance he jumps in this week than there was a week ago tonight.
On the eve of the elections, it did not It seemed that Ron DeSantis would run in 2024 because we were expecting a nationwide red wave, the candidates that Trump had backed looked like they were going to do very well, and Trump looked almost like the presumptive nominee because many of the alternatives had owed their careers to him in some fashion, including Ron DeSantis.
But then after last Tuesday and the results as they've come in, Ron DeSantis led the red wave along with Lee Zeldin in New York.
There was a red wave.
It basically was concentrated in Florida and New York.
And DeSantis was the big winner of the night with that wonderful primetime speech and the 20 point victory, picking up Hispanic votes, taking Miami-Dade County, traditionally Democratic Miami-Dade County and Palm Beach County.
So DeSantis looked like a real winner.
And then many of the candidates that Trump endorsed and many of the candidates that had focused on revisiting the 2020 election, they didn't do so well.
So now... Alright, so you think he's jumping in?
I do think he will eventually.
Okay, here we go.
We'll see what happens.
A big announcement from Trump scheduled tomorrow.
Joel Pollack, thanks so much.
Follow him at Joel Pollack.
And of course, check out Breitbart every day.
Breitbart.com.
Your phone calls up ahead.
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Thank you, Dr. G.
Always a pleasure filling in and sitting with all of you.
Thank you guys for having me today.
And I want to remind you, Seb is out tomorrow because, oh, he might be busy.
I think he's going to be at Mar-a-Lago.
Don't know why.
Maybe the big Trump announcement.
And then he'll be back on Wednesday.
But stick with America First.
Complete coverage of Trump's announcement tomorrow.
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Rex in California, line four.
Hi, Rex.
Thank you.
I think that President Trump should run again.
He proved that even though he had everybody fighting against him, he'd still continue to perform.
And DeSantis in Florida has supported the legislature, the judiciary, attorney general, and his staff.
Trump didn't have any of that, and he still fought it out.
So he deserves it.
And he's proven that he will still fight it out.
I think you are right, Rex.
Thank you for the phone call.
We need the fight.
He knows where everything is.
I say it's where the bodies are buried.
I don't mean that literally, but he knows how to get in there and fix things.
We can't have someone waste a couple of years trying to get their feet wet into what it's like to be in the White House.
We need Trump, who's ready to go on day one, to turn around all of the atrocities committed by the Biden administration.
Let's see.
Louise in Atlanta.
Hi, Louise, on line three.
Hi, I just wanted to say, I just wanted you all to hear from someone like me because I am a diehard conservative.
I voted for Donald Trump twice and I would like to see him not run again.
Why?
Because I, you know, I've got a lot of friends.
I just think his actions You know, are not statesman-like, and I think he... Specifically.
I think his behavior has turned people like me off.
I mean, I think... Louise, just specifically, what's an example?
Well, all throughout his presidency, when people were fired, they were fired over Twitter.
He bad-mouthed them when he left.
I mean, he just, it just was like, you know, not appropriate.
And then last week when he wrote about Ron DeSantis, Over his whatever's equivalent to Twitter.
I mean, I don't see what's the purpose of that.
Thanks so much for the phone call.
And I think, look, President Trump is a counterpuncher.
When someone takes aim at him, he's going to fight back.
And the reason that you like all of the stuff that he did is because he has that backbone and that fight.
So much of people's perception of Donald Trump, you're allowing that to be created by the mainstream media and the elites in the party who don't want you to focus on what he actually did.
President Trump's going to announce his run for the presidency tomorrow.
He is going to come out with his platform that will save this country and turn it around.
And that's where I will be.
I'll be in the camp of Donald Trump.
I urge all of you to do that, too, and focus on the output of his candidacy.
Thank you so much for joining us today.
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