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Sept. 21, 2022 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Now Putin wants to nuke us

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	- Do we have a show?
	We do!
	It's great to be back.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First.
	I've been in studio filming a TV show for the last four days.
	Yes, Saturday, Sunday.
	Sorry, I was working on Sunday.
	And a Monday and Tuesday.
	But we had superb fill-in guest hosts.
	Thank you, Grant Stinchfield.
	And thank you, Uncle Jimbo Jim Hansen, for stepping into the breach.
	But it's good to be back, especially Oh my gosh.
	Who is the dumbest person on social media?
	In the media!
	Maybe in America.
	His name is rather citrusy.
	He is on CNN.
	His last name is Lemon and you know how the British can just destroy you without breaking a sweat?
	Here's a historian who taught Don Lemon a lesson and we're going to open the show with it.
	Play cut!
	And then you have those who are asking for reparations for colonialism, and they're wondering, you know, $100 billion, $24 billion here and there, $500 million there.
	Some people want to be paid back, and members of the public are wondering, why are we suffering when you have all of this vast wealth?
	Those are legitimate concerns.
	Well, I think you're right about reparations in terms of if people want it, though, what they need to do is you always need to go back to the beginning of a supply chain.
	Where was the beginning of the supply chain?
	That was in Africa.
	And when that crossed the entire world, when slavery was taking place, which was the first nation in the world that abolished slavery?
	The first nation in the world to abolish it.
	It was started by William Wilberforce, was the British.
	In Great Britain, they abolished slavery.
	Naval men died on the high seas trying to stop slavery.
	Why?
	Because the African kings were rounding up their own people.
	They had them on cages waiting in the beaches.
	No one was running into Africa to get them.
	And I think you're totally right.
	If reparations need to be paid, we need to go right back to the beginning of that supply chain and say who was rounding up their own people and having them handcuffed in cages.
	Absolutely.
	That's where they should start.
	And maybe, I don't know, the descendants of those families where they died in the high seas, trying to stop the slavery, those families should receive something too, I think, at the same time.
	It's an interesting discussion, Hilary.
	Thank you very much.
	I appreciate it.
	What?
	Does he agree?
	Is he a white supremacist?
	Don Lemon, you're agreeing that it should be the African slave traders who sold their fellow black Africans to the West?
	That should be paying reparations to the British naval officers and seamen who died stopping the slave traders.
	I have to ask Mr. G, maybe I missed something.
	Was that some kind of special editing?
	Was that a deep fake?
	How did Don Lemon not actually say something there?
	Because he's never heard that before and he had no idea how to respond.
	But he's wearing those glasses that make him look so clever.
	Did they not work?
	I don't know.
	Is he going to wear them in the morning or is he going to get rid of those glasses when he moves?
	Oh, hang on.
	I forgot.
	He's been quote-unquote promoted, hasn't he, from the prime time in the evening to nobody watches in the morning show even less.
	And has to get up at 3 a.m.
	and do three hours a day.
	Yeah, I'm not sure that's a promotion.
	Thank you guys.
	I might have to play that every single hour.
	I might have to play that every single segment.
	It's just too delicious.
	Yeah, Britain stopped the slave trade.
	Fought to stop it.
	We had a war here in America where 600 Americans died as a result of stopping slavery.
	So who should get the reparations?
	Hmm, interesting.
	And who should be paying them?
	Right, dear friends, big news of the day.
	Let me put on my national security hat.
	For the first time since the cessation of hostilities in 1945, the Kremlin has reinstituted the draft.
	Yes, they will be drafting young men To be put into the meat grinder that is the war in Ukraine.
	And secondly, as that statement was made by Vladimir Putin, the former KGB colonel, we have him saying he is prepared to use whatever means necessary, including nuclear weapons.
	And he added, and I'm not bluffing.
	A little tip for you, old Vlad, my chum.
	When you have to add, and I'm not bluffing, it means you are bluffing.
	It's like when, you know, the old guy here in the White House says, no joke, it's a real story, you know he is lying.
	Now, this has been going the rounds for the last 12 hours like crazy.
	This is the big news of the day.
	Vlad's going to nuke us.
	Let's start for a second.
	What's happened in the last eight months in Ukraine?
	Let's begin with the classic.
	Classic Cold War phrase.
	Balance of forces.
	The estimate of the situation.
	The SITREP as we used to call it in the British Army.
	The Situation Report.
	Before Russia again invaded the Ukraine, because remember they did so under Obama's presidency when they took the Crimea.
	Yes, the Crimea belonged to the Ukraine and was taken by Vladimir Putin.
	Why?
	Because a pathetic stick insect of a man, a lanky chap from Illinois, was in the White House and they said, OK, this should be easy.
	Let's take Crimea.
	Well, they did it again when his Vice President became the Commander-in-Chief.
	And what happened?
	On the invasion of Ukraine eight months ago, Russia, depending on which metrics you used, was ranked as second or third most powerful military force in the world.
	Second only to us and perhaps China.
	On that same international ranking of defense capabilities, national security capacity, Ukraine was in the 21st, 22nd position, depending on which list you consulted.
	So if the guy who's second place goes up against the guy who's ranked 22nd, should be pretty quick, right?
	I mean, that's what that fat, useless oxygen thief Mark Milley said, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs.
	You remember when he said, yeah, they'll probably be in Kiev in three days?
	Not so much.
	I guess there must be a lot of white rage in Kiev, eh, Mark?
	Because Ukraine has basically fought Russia to a standstill.
	The unclassified estimates, if you look at reports coming out of the UK and elsewhere, is in excess of 20 or 30,000 Russians killed in action.
	Which is stunning.
	Because the war has lasted less than a year.
	We're talking about the same rate of casualties for the 10 years.
	The 10 years.
	of the Afghan invasion by the Soviet Union.
	How is that possible?
	I'll tell you how it's possible.
	Two things.
	Massive graft and corruption in Russia with generals selling Russian national assets and weapons and armaments to the highest bidder to pad out their bank accounts in Cyprus and in Switzerland.
	And secondly, going up against a nation such as the Ukraine, whose citizens were killed in mass numbers by the Kremlin in the 1920s and 30s.
	Eight million Ukrainians that we know of murdered, starved to death by Stalin in the Holomodor, which means that nation They're gonna fight till the last 12-year-old that can carry an AK is killed.
	They will never give up.
	Now, I'm not saying that they're going to win overnight or it's a de facto foregone conclusion because Russia is a meat grinder.
	We saw that in Stalingrad and elsewhere.
	But this is embarrassing.
	Mobilization?
	The draft?
	Very embarrassing for the Kremlin.
	I've said it before and I'll say it again.
	We don't have to fight for them and we shouldn't fight for them.
	But what is happening in Ukraine is their 1776.
	And if we hadn't been assisted in our war against the British by people like the French, you'd all be speaking real English like me.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker, this is America First, coming to you live from the reliefactor.com studios.
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	I'll just...
	You just want to call one to stop it or...
	Yeah, I'll call one to stop it.
	Mic's are live.
	Welcome back, Rumblers!
	How are we doing today?
	Is it ready now, Geoff?
	Yes.
	I'm getting it now.
	Let's play it when it's ready in the break right now, and then I'll know when to cut out.
	Okay, grabbing it.
	Oh, and can you, on camera four, can you zoom in on... Where is it?
	Can you zoom in on my bobblehead?
	Because I want to talk about it.
	He's working it now.
	I may have to run this through the fixing thing.
	Give me one second.
	I'm working on the Buzmanoff cut.
	Not me, the bobblehead.
	Right there, to the right of the book.
	All right, can you leave that camera there?
	Just leave it there.
	Leave four there.
	And then I'll call for it.
	And you'll cut back to it.
	All right.
	Yes, sir.
	Yes, sir.
	All righty.
	Let me get this fixed version of Besmonov.
	This should work.
	Start playing it.
	Hang on.
	Okay, now it's not showing up for me.
	No tracking shot, no.
	Okay, playback one.
	Give it to him.
	Ideological subversion.
	That is a phrase that I'm afraid some Americans don't fully understand.
	When the Soviets use the phrase ideological subversion, what do they mean by it?
	Ideological subversion is to change the perception of reality of every American to such an extent that despite of the abundance of information, no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community and their country.
	It's a great brainwashing process which goes very slow.
	It takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation.
	Marxism-Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least three generations of American students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism.
	And you can see it quite clearly that influence of Marxist-Leninist ideas in the United States is absolutely fantastic.
	All right, we'll stop there when he says fantastic.
	So after we see the school and the excavator, I'll start indicating.
	And fantastic.
	Yep, you got it.
	God, that is such a good cut.
	All right.
	Jeff, is there any way you can send that?
	Oh, no, he sent us that link, right?
	Yes.
	Okay, so I should have that in an email.
	It was a text.
	You texted it to me.
	A text.
	Okay.
	One minute here.
	Are we dialing him up?
	I was, but he just sent me a new Skype.
	Hang on.
	Okay.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It's almost done here.
	It's almost done here.
	It's almost done here.
	We're out of control.
	Have you seen what Letitia James has done against President Trump and his family?
	We'll give you that momentarily, but first things first.
	I met my colleagues from Salem.
	Yes, the mucky mucks.
	The C-suite individuals are in the swamp.
	And they're all, to a man of them, very complimentary about They think I'm gonna waste away.
	Not so fast, but it is.
	Sebastian Gawker, Mark II, 40 pounds lighter, thanks to the amazing work of the PhD weight loss team.
	First diet in 20 years that has worked for me.
	Super easy.
	My wife is ecstatic.
	She's lost almost 30 pounds.
	Find out for yourself.
	No stupid starvation diet.
	No calorie counting.
	They loved that the best.
	My boss loved that photograph.
	That's my vest, my waistcoat from my tailor-made suit.
	Looks like it was made for a walrus.
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	You could be that slim.
	Go to myphdweightloss.com or call 864-644-1900.
	That's 864-644-1900 or myphdweightloss.com.
	Myphdweightloss.com.
	More thanks to my Salem buddies, Joe Ferraro, Pete Packett, and Tim Robich of our Orlando stations Who just sent me this in the mail after we had that amazing event at that Harley-Davidson dealership.
	It was our Freedom Expo.
	It's a bobblehead of me on a Harley.
	They said they couldn't mail me a Harley, so they sent me a little one.
	But what do you think?
	He's such a cynical individual.
	We'll ask Mr. G. Mr. G, I always thought bobbleheads don't really look like the people they're meant to represent.
	Does that look like me?
	A little bit.
	It's pretty good.
	I think it looks like Jim Rome, to be honest with you.
	That's what I thought it was at first.
	I have no idea who that is.
	Eric, does that look like me?
	When I first saw it in the green room for a split second, I thought it was a representation of Schwarzenegger on the motorcycle from T2.
	Then I saw you and I was like, oh, that does look good.
	John, does that look... put it up again, Guy.
	Does that look like me?
	It's a spitting image, Dr. G.
	Thank you!
	Thank you!
	Give that man a pay rise.
	Okay, let's get back to work.
	Our first guest of the day is the director of amazing movie.
	He's the star of the first one.
	This is the sequel.
	And this is perhaps the most powerful, no, second most powerful part of the movie.
	I'll tell you what the first one is.
	It's an amazing clip from a certain Yuri Bezmenov.
	Play cut.
	Ideological subversion.
	That is a phrase that I'm afraid some Americans don't fully understand.
	When the Soviets use the phrase ideological subversion, what do they mean by it?
	Ideological subversion is to change the perception of reality of every American to such an extent that despite of the abundance of information, no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community and their country.
	It's a great brainwashing process which goes very slow.
	It takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation.
	Marxism-Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least three generations of American students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism.
	And you can see it quite clearly, the influence of Marxist-Leninist ideas... The basic values of Americanism That individual, now past Yuri Bezmenov, who described what is happening to America back in the 1980s, it's a clip that others like Dan Bongino use a lot.
	And I want to ask, why was it in a movie about what's happened to black America?
	We're delighted to have with us the man who wrote that book, starred, wrote that movie, part director of it, Chad Jackson.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Hey, Dr. G, thank you for having me on.
	So I told you privately, I'm going to say it now again in front of all of our listeners, this movie from Larry Elder and you guys is even better than the original Uncle Tom.
	If you haven't seen it, I'm sorry, you're missing out.
	I don't care that it's on our website.
	It is that important.
	But why is a Soviet, a white Soviet defector in your movie?
	Explain the relevance of that Besminov clip.
	Well, as he says in that clip, the name of the game was demoralization.
	And really what they were able to do were to demoralize all of America.
	Black activists were just in and amongst this whole umbrella of demoralization that took place in our country.
	And so as our title suggests, the film isn't just about black America.
	It's about America at large.
	That's why we call it an American Odyssey.
	Because we wanted to demonstrate how Marxism, this disease, has infected all of America and it reached its peak in the 1960s, which is around the time that Yuri is talking about.
	So let me, let me, let me mention that clip of Besimenov is, you know, just stunning.
	But the most powerful part of the movie for me as an immigrant to this country were, you know, the pre-titled credits, the first four, three, four, three minutes, where you showed amazing color footage I'd never seen before of incredibly clearly prosperous black families from the 40s and 50s.
	Why have I, I mean, I've been here for what, 12, 14 years?
	I've never seen footage like that.
	Who's hiding footage of Black Wall Street, of successful Black America?
	Why would people hide that footage, Chad, that you opened your movie with?
	Well, it's not so much that they're hiding it, it's that they're ignoring it.
	The mainstream media, unfortunately, and mainstream historians in our public school system, it really comes down to what do they emphasize.
	They emphasize struggle, they emphasize oppression when it comes to black people, because they want to communicate this narrative that we are oppressed, And downstream of that being bitter, downstream of that being anger or angered or enraged is the demand for policy.
	And so they want to push policy, socialist egalitarian-esque policy is really their end goal.
	Stalin famously said, if I can take your history, I can take your country.
	And that's exactly what they've done with this black success that our great grandfathers and great grandmothers enjoyed.
	They were patriots.
	We found hours of footage of black southerners having Fourth of July parades, marching down the street with their American flags.
	These were people who loved their country and they loved their God and they loved their communities.
	And so if we can be blinded from that as American youth, as black American youth, and the story that we're constantly being told is that this country hates us, it's always hated us, that's why you're an African-American, then we can begin to usher in some kind of egalitarian policy then we can begin to usher in some kind of egalitarian policy that will make life better for And that's exactly where we are right now.
	Has black America Forgotten this story?
	Do they not know that their grandparents and their great grandparents were incredibly successful?
	What happened to those cultural memories, Chad?
	That's a fantastic question.
	The fact of the matter is what people understand today as black culture really is, as Brandon Tatum eloquently points out in the film, it's a facade.
	The reality is that we get our ideas and our notions of what black culture is from the television screen and or from whatever rapper is popular more so than we do from our parents and our great-grandparents.
	People like to say that, oh, black people are naturally conservative.
	And they're right to a degree, but they're right to the extent that there are some relics of that traditionalism that's passed down.
	But there's this kind of disconnect with how we vote.
	There's this disconnect with how we see ourselves as being a part of the larger American family.
	And all of this is deliberate.
	We also point out an individual in the film named Stokely Carmichael.
	Stokely Carmichael was one of the people who was pushing for us to refer to ourselves as African Americans.
	We'll talk about what you reveal in the movie about the NAACP as well, which is shocking.
	We're talking to the co-producer of Uncle Tom 2.
	He's Chad Jackson.
	You can see it right now at SalemNow.com.
	That's SalemNow.com.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	We'll be back with Chad in a moment.
	Stay on this channel.
	Show camera four again.
	Amen.
	So who is this guy that's supposed to look like?
	Who is that person, Geoff?
	Is it a sports person?
	Is it a member of the Mafia?
	Because I know those are the things you care about.
	A sports radio.
	Very big.
	Sports radio.
	What's his name?
	Jim Rome.
	Jim Rome?
	Yeah, I was wondering why, when I first saw it, you had a Jim Rome bobblehead dog.
	How do you spell that?
	Is it spelled like the city?
	J-I-M-R-O-M-E.
	Oh, like American Sports Radio.
	In a millisecond, I thought it was Rocky Balboa riding a bike.
	Yes, Rocky Balboa with a goatee.
	No, I'm more handsome than that guy!
	He looks like a weed!
	He is, but I'm just talking about what I thought that was.
	I've never seen you in a leather jacket, though, either.
	I do own a leather jacket.
	You do?
	I do.
	I have two leather jackets, in fact.
	All right.
	When we post these segments, or when you work on them, Eric... No, leave it up.
	I love that.
	Put it up on Rumble.
	I like it.
	And then my forehead can... Loading screen.
	That's our loading screen.
	It's just your bobble head.
	I've got to bobble it.
	I've got to bobble it.
	Bobble.
	Bobble.
	Yes.
	When you're posting the interview with Chad and the two segments, can you also just give me the first, you know, the bit about the bobble head As a video file email to me.
	Separate from Chad?
	Or still include in the interview?
	No, just the beginning.
	So after I talk about Letitia, I'll cut that out and then cut out the interview and just give me that so I can send it to the guys in Orlando.
	Okay, got it.
	All right, cool.
	All right.
	Two minutes.
	Chad?
	Yeah?
	So I'm going to ask you next why you changed professions, right?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Such a powerful movie.
	Thank you.
	Who found that footage for you?
	At the beginning?
	It just took a lot of digging.
	We delved through many archives and home video footage.
	We're going to label everything, though, and index it all.
	All right, 90 seconds.
	What have we got?
	Nobody's ever sent me a bobblehead, so you should feel free.
	When I opened it today, I went to the post office, I asked my wife afterwards, does that mean I'm famous?
	Because I've got a bobblehead, and I didn't make it, and you can't buy it on my website.
	Somebody made it for me!
	Yeah, there you go.
	That's pretty good, right?
	You've arrived.
	I hope so.
	Alright, so... Got a title in mind for the monologue and or... Is Putin going to nuke us?
	and then i'll do jcn here at the top yep oh and did we did you say jeff that we've got video for uh mighty oaks We've got two cuts.
	We haven't tested them yet, but we have.
	Alright, we'll test them in the next break.
	Yep.
	And I can't get any footage of that trans because it's an unlisted YouTube video he sent us.
	So I can't rip it.
	Which one?
	The trans rack.
	Oh, of course.
	I can get b-roll of the trailer if you want it.
	Oh, you can get b-roll?
	Of the trailer.
	That's fine.
	That's an art.
	On the side of the U.S. Constitutional Constitution, America first.
	Just stay on camera four for a little bit.
	It's too much fun.
	The woke crowd have seized control of America's public schools and universities.
	Now the minority of loud, loud woke voices are trying to take over our corporate... Yeah, camera four.
	The bike.
	There you go.
	Let's have some fun while I'm doing this.
	From Disney to American Express, companies are taking political positions they have no business taking.
	But there is an organization that's pushing back.
	It is the Job Creators Network.
	They need to hear from you.
	We outnumber the crazies.
	Check out your role in pushing back on the extremists trying to woke-ify private business at rockthewoke.com.
	Disney and others have heard from Woke America.
	It's time they heard from you.
	Go to rockthewoke.com, rockthewoke.com.
	All right, we are back with Chad Jackson.
	Follow him right now on Twitter at Chad O. Jackson.
	He is co-producer, co-writer for the amazing sequel to Larry Elder's Uncle Tom.
	It's called Uncle Tom 2.
	Chad, you were a kind of star, I think, very early on in the original movie.
	It focused on your story as a successful self-made man and entrepreneur who didn't see himself as a victim because of his his skin color.
	How did you transition to being a co-producer and co-writer for the sequel?
	I'm curious.
	That's a great question and just to kind of close out the last thought that I was making yeah so Stokely Carmichael he said oh sorry no no yes yes so let's go back so Stokely Carmichael NAACP give it give us that that historic nugget that most people have forgotten.
	Yeah, so Stokely Carmichael admitted in the 90s, and we have video footage of this.
	In fact, it's in Uncle Tom 2, where he said that he was part of that agenda to impress the term African-American onto black folks.
	And what he had in mind is, if you think you are an American, you'll fight to preserve and to conserve
	Capitalist America, however, if you know, you're not an American you'll fight to destroy America and he was absolutely right I mean look at the riots look at The fact that a lot of these egalitarian socialist programs that are being pushed in this country They're using black people to do it and you know, it's unfortunate what's happening But it was important to showcase that in the film to your question about how I got involved in Uncle Tom 2
	As you mentioned, I was running my business here in Dallas, Texas.
	My business is still active.
	We're still going.
	We're still, you know, taking care of our customers.
	But I am a natural researcher.
	If something interests me, I'm going to obsess over it.
	I'm going to dig deep into it and find out everything I can about it.
	That's something that Justin Malone, the director, noticed in me.
	And so he asked me if I'd be willing to come on board to join He and Larry's Uncle Tom team, and I was happy to do so.
	So I downscaled my plumbing company and working for Malone Pictures full-time, and I'm proud of the work that we're doing.
	Well, you've done an amazing job.
	Everybody needs to go and watch it.
	It's Uncle Tom 2, the sequel at SalemNow.com.
	I have to ask you, with this change you've made and the story that you've told about yourself, what is your response when you're told by white people that America is systemically racist, Chad?
	That's a lot to deconstruct and that's a lot to unpack.
	I mean, they are literally somebody who are regurgitating things that they've been taught, things that our own public school system is teaching our youth.
	And so they're basically just kind of mimicking things that they've heard.
	And it's kind of a slap in the face to black people, because it presumes that As black people because we can't take care of ourselves because we don't know how to utilize this thing called capitalism because we don't know how to Interact and engage in the free market system.
	We need to be taken care of So we need socialism to take care of us and it's not so much that the system is systemically racist It's more the case that we do have still some relics of a meritocracy and so if America requires you to be a person of merit and And you're saying that black culture is incapable of being people of merit, then naturally you need some kind of egalitarian system to come along and take care of those who are incapable of being people of merit.
	And so that's what they're assuming and that's what they're saying when they say that America is systemically racist.
	And one of the fascinating things in the movie, which is a complete kind of volte-face, a kind of re-appreciation of what really happened in America is, I think, who is it that says it?
	One of your experts, one of your guests says, if you think they took God out of the public schools, you don't know anything about the public school system.
	They didn't take it out of the schools.
	The public school system was designed to be secular.
	It was designed to go against the church.
	These are the things that you can learn, even if you're not an immigrant to the United States, from Larry Elder's, Chad Jackson's incredible movie, so many amazing people in it, like Vody Bokum.
	You've got to see it today.
	It should be a book.
	Maybe I've given you an idea.
	Uncle Tom 2, the sequel.
	SalemNow.com, SalemNow.com.
	And don't forget, you can follow our guest at Chad O. Jackson on Twitter.
	Keep doing what you do, my friend.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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	Send us names of other people we should have on from either in front of camera or behind of camera.
	I'd like to get at least one person a week on the show, OK?
	OK, absolutely.
	I'll send you some names.
	All right.
	God bless.
	Can you play me the Mighty Oak stuff that Jeff found?
	OK, here's cut one.
	Playback one guy.
	In 2015, I tried to commit suicide.
	I tried to take my own life.
	I took a bunch of pills and tried to drive off a cliff.
	By 2023, we will have more deaths by suicide than we will post 9-11 combat.
	Babe is referring to a report out just this summer that estimates that since 9-11, we've lost more active duty personnel and veterans to suicide than those actually killed in combat.
	Okay, and here's cut two.
	I want his death to mean something.
	Depending on the time, there's between... For a long time, it was 22 active duty soldiers or veterans that commit suicide every day of the year, on average.
	That number during the pandemic has gone up to about 30.
	So I think something really needs to be done because it's just not right for these people to risk their lives and then come back and not get all the support they need.
	Are those things you found or they're actually from Chad?
	Those are things I found.
	OK, good.
	All right.
	Will you come in with the first one, please, Eric?
	The first one.
	And you want mics off for this guest?
	Yes.
	Mics off.
	So M3 guy.
	Kill mics, Alex.
	Okay.
	We have one.
	by suicide than we will post 9/11 combat.
	Babe is referring to a report out just this summer that estimates that since 9-11, we've lost more active duty personnel and veterans to suicide than those actually killed in combat.
	Just think about that for a second, guys.
	More veterans in America died at their own hands than were killed in combat.
	How do we stop that?
	How do we get that number of 22 per day committing suicide down to zero?
	Can we do that?
	Well, there's one way.
	We help those who've been in theatre not only reintegrate, but to put salve on the psychological wounds they suffer beyond the physical ones.
	There are many organizations that try and do that.
	One of the best that we are honored to be associated with that is run by combat veterans is Mighty Oaks.
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	All right, we're here to speak the truth, even if the left hates it.
	If they get crazy about it, it means we're winning.
	One of the biggest issues out there are the transgender extremists.
	We have an individual with us right now who has made a movie about the insanity, and he's going to reveal some of the things he found.
	His name is Frank Panico.
	Frank, welcome to America First.
	Hi, thank you.
	It's my pleasure to be on your show.
	All right, so this movie, Trans Rec, transrecmovie.com, tell us first, what inspired you to deal with this diabolical plot that attacks our children?
	Yes, you used the right word.
	Thank you so much for having me on the show.
	It is diabolical and it's evil.
	This is my 10th film, and whenever I start a film, I want to basically say, you know, is this something God would be happy with?
	You know, and like my last films had to do with abortion, how it's more murder, and my film before that, how we need to come together and not divide our nation with black and white.
	So, I kind of ask God, you know, like, do I feel it's okay in His eyes to the message I'm conveying?
	And I'm sure He would be approving of the message of conveying to stop destroying His creation by mutilating it.
	You know, the evil one wants to destroy God's work created in God's image.
	And I feel that he very much wants to destroy that through abortion, through suicide, through the self-mutialization.
	So this film touches base on the moral and the spiritual as well as the scientific viewpoints of the film.
	So tell us one.
	I want everybody to go see the movie.
	You can follow this man, it's Frank Panico, P-A-N-I-C-O on Twitter.
	It's Trans, as in Transgender, transrecmovie.com.
	Just share as much as you can, given that this is, you know, radio across the nation in the afternoon, some of the things that you found as you were researching and making your movie.
	Well, most suicides come after someone transitions, so it's a big lie when somebody says, if you don't affirm your child and tell them, yes, it's okay, that they'll kill themselves.
	The facts are, they're 19 more times likely to kill themselves after they transition.
	Also, through Walt Heyer, who's in my film, it's all a big lie.
	Even the word transgender, it's a lie because no one could change their sex.
	You can just masculinize women and feminize men.
	No one could actually change their sex.
	So the whole word is a lie.
	It's all a big lie.
	The concept, I mean, you can't change your genetic chromosomal makeup.
	So the idea that you can transition from anything to anything is actually science denial.
	Frank, did you identify The source?
	I mean, this isn't happening by accident.
	This is a new thing.
	It is, as Dr. Miriam Lieberman said on our show, this is like a psychic epidemic.
	Who's behind all of this?
	Is there a force?
	Is there an organization that's driving this?
	What did your research find?
	Well, I'll have to first say off the bat, it's a spiritual battle driven by Satan.
	Okay, now having said that, the schools are pushing it immensely on our children, social media is pushing it immensely on our children, it's on television, it's everywhere you turn, it's almost like a fad.
	And like Walt Hyer says in my film, a young girl, 14, doesn't get along with people real shy, she can suck the air out of a room just by saying, hey, I'm transgender.
	And all of a sudden, she's in a group.
	You know, so there are a lot of things.
	What I learned is it stems from, it's not about gender.
	It stems from trauma from the past, whether it be abuse or pornography.
	It's really not about gender.
	It's about the person really just hating themselves and wanting to change.
	You know, Walt Heyer asks every person he talks to him is like, what exactly do you hate about yourself?
	So it's kind of not real about gender.
	And just so you know, if you don't mind if I throw it out there, I'm having the premiere of the film in the Woodlands, Texas at Grace Church in the Woodlands, Grace Woodlands, At 6.30 tomorrow, which is Thursday.
	And my website is transrecmovie.com.
	Yep, absolutely, guys.
	Check out the premiere if you're in the area.
	And please support this man because he is fighting for some of the most vulnerable in society.
	transrecmovie.com, transrecmovie.com.
	Thank you, Mr. Panico.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	Mic's off.
	Oh, off.
	Okay.
	and we have to go to the next one.
	I think a little bit more about that.
	I think we're going to get to that.
	You know what I'm talking about?
	I mean, I think we're going to get to it.
	I think we're going to get to it.
	And we're going to get to it.
	We're going to get to the next one.
	And we're going to get to it.
	We're going to get to it.
	We're going to get to it.
	I'm going to get to it.
	Okay, I'm going to get to it.
	I'm going to get to it.
	I'm going to get to it.
	It was just on Fox.
	Is he American or is he Ukrainian?
	It says he was an American soldier.
	Alright.
	If he's... After the show, watch that interview and if he's good, let's reach out to him.
	Alright.
	You wanna post Panico?
	Yeah, sure.
	Title?
	The Transgender Movement is the Devil's Work.
	Jackson?
	Uh, Jackson, um... And also, um, Ataxis.
	Jackson.
	All right, hang on. All right, hang hang on. All right, hang All right, hang hang on. All right, hang All right,
	I know Sebastian well.
	Listen to him.
	He's with us.
	Can Federman ever get on stage without blowing a gasket?
	Here's the latest.
	This is John Federman.
	Cut three.
	Illuminate the filibuster!
	Cut three. - Eliminate the filibuster. - Get things done. - Send us back to New Jersey.
	- Send us back to New...
	Send us back to New Jersey?
	Do you mean send Oz?
	Whoa!
	Get rid of the filibuster!
	I'm sure that's why Pennsylvanians are considering voting for you.
	Embarrassing.
	Let's go to our friends.
	Let's go to Alex in Brooklyn.
	Alex, welcome to America First.
	Hey Sebastian, thanks for taking the call.
	I'm calling in about Ron DeSantis getting sued by Martha's Vineyard for sending these illegal immigrants to Martha's Vineyard.
	I think that a great comeback for Ron DeSantis would be if he He sues the people that threw the illegal immigrants out of Martha's Vineyard on behalf of the illegal immigrants because Martha's Vineyard, you know, considered themselves a sanctuary city.
	So these people thought that they would be welcomed with open arms.
	Yes!
	I mean, it says, hang on, hang on, it actually says, there's a sign as you get to Martha's Vineyard.
	We welcome everybody.
	I guess not, right?
	They should be sued for false advertisement.
	And I think they would actually be able to make more of a case than that which is being made against Ron DeSantis.
	No, I think that's very good.
	I like that, Alex.
	Very, very good.
	Good idea.
	I think Ron's probably going to do something fun because, you know, he's a pretty active governor.
	Let's go to our good buddy Brent in Los Angeles.
	Welcome, Brent.
	Welcome home, dear Gorka.
	It's good to be back.
	Well, I wanted to talk about, to honor the heroic, virtuous, valiant, woman, mother and matriarch, Queen Elizabeth.
	At this time before Rosh Hashanah, which seeks reflection and repentance from all humanity, loving, righteous Americans must reach out to America's abused and betrayed women and beg them to wake up.
	Teach them what is being delivered to their children and the children of the world, and that if Democrats cannot abort them, or withhold baby formula from them, or sexually sell them, or fentanyl overdose them, or psychologically and spiritually bankrupt them, they will degrade and dehumanize them, and show them that their denial of reality is summoning up only insanity, suicide, and these never-ending nightmares.
	Yeah, it's so true.
	If you think about, you know, is there a war on women?
	There is a war on women, mostly in the womb.
	There's a war on black America and on the unborn females as well.
	God bless you, Brent.
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	Hello, hello.
	Jen, how you doing?
	Hi, good.
	How are you guys?
	Doing all right, doing all right.
	How about yourself?
	Oh, good.
	I'm just getting ready to dial in.
	Yes.
	Don't switch to it now, guys.
	But I will want to use Camera 4 for Jen, all right?
	Yeah, set that up, guy.
	Hello, Jen!
	Is that something fun and exciting?
	Yes!
	Very!
	I like it.
	Well, it is for me.
	It is for me.
	Is it the secret cam that's been following me around?
	Your spy cam?
	Yeah, it's UAV.
	Perfect.
	Can you play me Cut 2, guys?
	Cut 2.
	Yep.
	So we invested an additional 12 billion dollars into community banks.
	Because we know community banks are in the community and understand the need.
	We're going to use that with Jen.
	Thank you.
	And then we'll probably use four.
	That's a fun one with Jen.
	Everybody knows community banks are in the community.
	She is so amazing.
	What else is good?
	And I just sent you some fun California stuff.
	Let me have a look.
	Okay.
	Fun California stuff.
	Yeah.
	55 seconds.
	Said come in with Kamala.
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	Mic's off.
	Are you ready?
	Things are about to get MAGA-nificent.
	America First with Dr. G. They're always MAGA-nificent here.
	That's why the show is called America First.
	And it's why we have amazing warriors for the truth, like my colleague Jennifer Horn with us every single week.
	Jennifer, welcome back to America First.
	Thank you.
	Nice to be back.
	I feel like these weeks are just going by quickly, aren't they?
	You know, now that you say that, I feel like we're getting back into, you know, Trump era time.
	I used to call it moving at the speed of Trump.
	Things are accelerating, aren't they, Jen?
	Yeah, it's like a ceiling fan around here, not only with the new cycle, but I feel like I just put out my fall decorations last year, now they're out again.
	I'm already starting to think about Christmas.
	My grandfather used to say, and he was a wise man, that the older you get, that life is like a roll of toilet paper, and the closer you get to the end, the quicker it goes.
	That is.
	Is that like a Czechoslovak phrase?
	Isn't that pretty good?
	That is good.
	That's like deep, deep, deep Eastern European philosophy.
	Alright, she's the host of The Morning Answer and The Inland Empire Answer, AM 870, AM 590.
	Follow her on Twitter at Jennifer Horn.
	Are you on Truth Social?
	Absolutely.
	You follow me there.
	Good.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I'm just asking for the sake of our millions of listeners.
	I'm just being polite.
	At Jennifer Horn.
	We love it.
	Okay.
	And at CRN Digital Talker.
	You've got... I just looked at the stories you sent me.
	I think four of them can't be true.
	You will sadly explain how they are.
	But before we go there, I want to get a little bit of deep, deep wisdom from the second-in-command in America, who I always wondered.
	I mean, I drive past them every day on my way to work and on the way home.
	I always wondered what a community bank was.
	And here's Kamala Harris explaining what this complicated phrase, community bank, actually means.
	So we invested an additional $12 billion into community banks, because we know community banks are in the community, and understand the needs and desires of that community, as well as the talent and capacity of the community.
	Does that clear things up for you, Jen?
	You know, it's like when we go to the recreation center, Seb, and we have recreation, because it's a recreation center.
	Right, because I could have gone there to, like, stress out or, you know, commit some crime, but it's a recreation center.
	We recreate there, yes.
	We have recreation at the recreation center.
	So hang on, are you saying that in the swimming pool I might get wet?
	That's right, because it's a pool that you swim in.
	Oh, how do we survive without this?
	Mind blown, right?
	How do we survive without the help of our bettors?
	I mean, really.
	Thank God she is in charge.
	I mean, she's the borders are at the president.
	I like to call him Chairman Biden.
	He calls her the president.
	I mean, thank God she carries such important stature because, you know, we're in good hands.
	All right.
	So before we get to your California stories, I want to have a little fun because Well, you've got a good sense of humor.
	There are three gentlemen I'm going to recognize from our Orlando stations.
	Joe Ferraro, Pete Packett, and Tim Robich, the GM, who have been trying to deliver a package to our studio for the last week.
	FedEx refused to leave it here, and there's nobody at the front desk to sign for it.
	So finally, they had it redirected.
	I picked it up from my post office box today.
	Let's go to camera four!
	Do you love...
	Bobbleheads, Jen.
	Look at that.
	First of all, this is like Jim Rome's show.
	This is great.
	Oh!
	I love it.
	That's it.
	That's it.
	I know it.
	We have proof that you are colluding with my producer, Jen.
	What are you talking about?
	That is a great bobblehead, and I love that you borrowed one.
	Yeah, but who is it off?
	Who is the bobblehead off?
	Jim Rome.
	Right.
	You're fired.
	All the money I've been paying you for three years now, I'm going to take it back.
	No, in all honesty, Jeff did tell me, he goes, hey, it's Jim Rome.
	Of course he did.
	But let me tell you, camera four, first of all, I love the angle.
	And that's a cool bobblehead.
	And I'm going to tell you this in all seriousness.
	That is the coolest bobblehead I've ever seen.
	And I have a collection of bobbleheads.
	What?
	Because I love the Dodgers.
	You know, we're going to the World Series, by the way.
	Knock on something.
	So you have Dodger bobbleheads?
	And that one's way cooler than any of the Dodger bobbleheads.
	Well, because I'm on a Harley.
	I went to their Freedom Expo in Orlando.
	They held it in a Harley dealership because they're bloody geniuses.
	It's where I met amazing people like Gene DeSantis, the legend in the gun industry.
	And I tried out one of their Harleys, and they said, we tried to ship you one, but it's a little bit big.
	So they sent me that little bobble-headed one.
	It's good, right?
	It's really, really cool.
	That's the best one.
	That needs to be prominently placed.
	Even if you do have a likeness to Jim Rome, you know, I think it needs to be prominently placed.
	Even if I have no idea who you're talking about.
	Yeah, yeah.
	There's far too much collusion going on here.
	No, I love it.
	All right.
	Let's go to a story that I wasn't familiar with who this person is, but I saw her photograph, you know, being led off in shackles all over the internet at the weekend.
	Barefoot, by the way.
	So who is Sheila Kuhl, and what did the California attorney's office just do?
	Okay, so first of all, do you love old TV shows like I do, right?
	You like Gilligan's Island?
	Yeah, we never had that.
	I'm familiar with it.
	We didn't have it in the UK, but whether it's, you know, the Jetsons, whether it's the Rockford Files, I love all that stuff.
	But is she a character from Gilligan's Island?
	Well, spoiler alert, they never got off of Gilligan's Island.
	But Gilligan, what was his name?
	Bob Denver, starred on another show called Dobie Gillis.
	On that show, Sheila Kuhl, who now sits on the L.A.
	County Board of Supervisors, was a child actress.
	She's now an out-of-the-closet lesbian, serving on the Board of Supervisors, I think, for the last probably 10 years or so.
	You can count my math on that.
	Not running for re-election.
	But, as most California politicians learn quickly, if they don't know when they go into office, You can get a lot of power and a lot of money for yourself if you award these no-bid contracts to your friends.
	And Sheila Kuhl is now being accused by the L.A.
	Sheriff's Department.
	And they had a warrant when they went into their home to raid her.
	Take her—sound familiar?
	Take her cell phone, her computer.
	She got to taste what a raid felt like.
	But here's the difference, Seb.
	She was warned by the FBI the day before, excuse me, she was warned by the judge the day before the agents showed up and the officers came in to raid her home.
	The sheriff's department wants to know how she was given that heads up by her legal representation.
	There is also some questions about what she did to get into trouble.
	She has a very close bosom friend who has been one of her allies for a long time, who's donated very generously to her campaigns through the last few years.
	And she was awarded this sexual harassment hotline for the subway, the metro in Los Angeles.
	And when you take into account how many calls went into that sexual harassment hotline, It came down to $8,000 a call that this group made.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	There's a typo in that article.
	Are you serious?
	$8,000 a call.
	And what's really funny is if you ride the subway in LA, like every four seconds, they tell you, if you're a victim of sexual abuse on this train, please call.
	It's almost like they're giving people suggestions or ideas about what to do.
	How many cops could you actually put in each carriage for that kind of money?
	Well, exactly.
	And they've been giving the sheriff, the Board of Supervisors, they've been giving the sheriff a hard time because he wants to pull his deputies off the train because the Board of Supervisors wanted to pull them from their uniforms, wanted to tell them that they couldn't carry guns or firearms on the train.
	It's been this whole deal.
	So now Sheila Kuhl comes out there and says, well, I'm a political victim.
	This is just persecution because the L.A.
	sheriff hates me.
	Well, the sheriff recused himself from this very fairly.
	He kind of came out and he said, now you know what it feels like to be Donald Trump because there's a lot of things that you could correlate.
	A lot of situations are similar in this.
	And now what we're finding out is this corrupt attorney general who's never won election in the state of California, who's on the ballot in 48 days, Rob Bonta, appointed by Gavin Newsom, has now pulled the investigation from the sheriff's department, even though the sheriff himself has recused himself from this.
	He's pulled it.
	And I can guarantee you this thing is going to go poof into the clouds.
	They wanted to have a third party come in just like Trump asked for.
	And it's really funny when it's the liberals and the power establishment of L.A. County.
	They're totally fine with all of the circumstances until Donald Trump asked for them.
	And then all of a sudden they go, oh, we can't have that.
	But a special master would be fine in the case of Sheila Kuhl because they want to protect themselves.
	It's really hypocritical.
	And we're finding out that they're going to pull this.
	I'm telling you under the rug, this thing will disappear.
	There will be no investigations.
	No bid contracts will continue.
	And the cronyism that is California politics will just continue to grow and roll on because they make it disappear when we're a state that's got one party rule in it.
	Yeah, absolutely incredible.
	I wanted to mention it.
	We'll talk about it in the next segment.
	It's another example of just how incredibly crooked the justice system has become, not just in the swamp.
	I look at South Dakota and this individual, Shannon Brand, who murdered an 18-year-old because he is a conservative and a Trump supporter.
	This individual who murdered Kyla Ellingson walked out of the jail with a $50,000 bond If somebody had murdered a Democrat supporter of Biden, you know for a fact they wouldn't have walked out of the jail.
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	And I think I have the right cut, Eric.
	Eric has it for the green Jean Pierre.
	Oh, good.
	Yeah, play it.
	Playback one guy.
	Give it.
	These people are fleeing communism, as we have said, as you heard DHS say as well.
	Falling authoritarian regimes in Venezuela, Nicaragua, and Cuba are causing a new migration challenge across the Western Hemisphere.
	And then can you just give me an audio of Nica-Wag-Wag.
	Do cut 12 so that works.
	I did the video.
	It's literally one second long.
	Where is Nikawagwa?
	Okay.
	You can just keep dropping that.
	Alright.
	I'm gonna send you something now.
	That you need to turn into a buffer, Eric.
	Wanka wanka wanka!
	Alright.
	No, it's what's-his-face.
	It's Elmer Fudd.
	Nikawagwa.
	Nikawagwa!
	I'm hunting wabbits.
	I'm hunting wabbits in Nikawagwa.
	All right, so what else have we got?
	We've got the... And that's the most coherent she's been in a long time.
	I know.
	That new talking point.
	We've got the burial in the landfill.
	We've got marijuana.
	Oh, we've got to talk about the Newsom thing.
	Let's talk about the trash and the Newsom thing.
	Okay, good.
	And that really is a cool, cool bobblehead.
	That is really good.
	I know, and I didn't even make it.
	It's great.
	And the bike is amazing.
	The detail on the Harley is nuts.
	That's a cool thing.
	These, I think they're really expensive bobbleheads.
	Yes.
	If you try to make your own like single one, they're like at least a hundred to 150.
	And those are for kind of dorky ones.
	That one looks nice.
	So you're into, you're into baseball.
	Oh my God.
	I love baseball.
	Is that from your dad?
	Uh, yeah.
	And from Bunky Horn, my grandpa, we've, uh, he used to have season seats.
	We used to, I spent my childhood at Dodger stadium.
	Really?
	Oh yeah.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	I love baseball and I love hockey.
	Hockey's fun.
	Hockey's way fun.
	And I, you know, I play fantasy football.
	It's just I can't keep up with everything year to year.
	So I just do my best.
	But you didn't know who Jim Rohn was, right?
	Jim Rome the sports guy?
	Yeah.
	Sports host?
	Yeah.
	I wouldn't have said that you look like him.
	That would be... No, I don't think he does either.
	I think I'll have to send Jeff to the ophthalmist.
	Jim Rome is like 5'6".
	He doesn't look anything like you.
	He is.
	But when I came in today, I saw it quickly and I was thinking, why does he have a Jim Rome bob cut?
	Because I knew you wouldn't know who he is.
	They even put the gray in my beard.
	I mean, that's how accurate.
	Just go to camera four.
	Just look how accurate my little goatee is there.
	I mean, it's really... It's a really cool one.
	And let me just show you from a distance.
	This is... I mean, it's not... Look at the photograph next to my book!
	Yeah, and look at this photograph.
	You see me?
	I know!
	It's pathetic!
	Little dweeby pencil neck.
	No, it really is good next to your book.
	Look at that.
	I see Kurt Russell.
	Kurt Russell, that's a good call.
	There's a bit of Kurt in there.
	Now you've got all your doppelgangers coming out.
	I know.
	I want his death to mean something. - Depending on the time, there's between, for a long time it was 22 active duty soldiers or veterans that commit suicide every day of the year, on average.
	That number during the pandemic has gone up to about 30.
	So I think something really needs to be done because it's just not right for these people to risk their lives and then come back and not get all the support they need.
	It's not 22 now.
	Under the pandemic, it went up to 30 veterans taking their own lives every single day.
	What do we do?
	How can we help stop that?
	Well, there is one organization That is helping our veterans after they return from combat duty, not just reintegrate into everyday life here in America as civilians.
	But help them find a little peace of tranquility, a little salve against the psychological damage they've suffered by the things they've seen.
	It's called the Mighty Oaks Foundation.
	It's run by combat veterans like Chad Robichard, who's a great friend of the show.
	They have a series of ranches that the veterans can go to just to find themselves.
	They're not charged a penny for that Restorative stay.
	Will you do something to help those veterans?
	Will you help?
	If you haven't served this nation in uniform, or if you've weathered your service well, without trauma, without PTSD, or just want to help those who have it like maybe you did, please go to my website.
	Support Mighty Oaks today.
	You're really doing the Lord's work to help those who stood on the wall for us, to protect us.
	It's sebgorka.com and at the very top you'll see my photograph with Trad and with the phrase Restore Our Warriors.
	It's an amazing service that you are involved in if you support them.
	Give as much as you can.
	It is sebgorka.com, S-E-B-G-O-R-K-A.
	And it's the tab at the very top, Restore Our Warriors.
	Thank you to all of you.
	We are back with our West Coast warrior princess, Jennifer Horne, AM 590, AM 870, the answer.
	Jennifer, I feel very much like a grown-up because last year my wife and I, she's the real grown-up, but she hired an attorney to write our wills, to get a trust so our kids won't have to deal with all of this stuff.
	If we shuffle off this mortal coil, as the Bard puts it... We all go at some point, unfortunately.
	Well, yeah, I mean, you know, you got your, what is it, your 3 score years or your 4 score years in 10, and then you have to answer some questions, like...
	How do you want, what do you want them to do with your body?
	I don't like this cremation thing.
	I think it's creepy to be burnt.
	I think that's for hell.
	Hopefully I'm not going there.
	So I had to pick a place to be buried.
	And I picked a place with my wife.
	It's where we spend our summer holidays.
	But it wasn't a landfill.
	I guess in California that's an option now?
	Well, you know, to the trash heap with you.
	So this is interesting.
	And I posed this to our friend, Grant Stinchfield.
	I know he's been here on the program with you.
	Yes.
	And he's my co-host on The Morning Answer.
	And so I said, OK, we've been talking a lot about the Queen's funeral, and that makes you kind of think of your own longevity.
	What do you want to do?
	Well, he wants to be sprinkled on his golf course.
	And I, like you, don't like the idea of being cremated.
	I know I'll be gone, but I don't like that.
	I guess burial's okay.
	I've read that you can be turned into a diamond, which I'm really excited about that.
	I love that.
	So I'm taking volunteers if anybody wants to like sit on me, because I think you need pressure, right?
	Quite a bit of pressure.
	Quite a bit of pressure, right.
	So if, you know, you can turn yourself into a diamond, that's a good one.
	So California says, you know, it's really not environmentally sound to put all these dead guys in the ground, so what can we do with them?
	That's how they talk here in California.
	You've got to have that optic at the end of the sentence.
	You really do.
	It's so gross to put so many dead guys in the ground and we're just running out of room.
	So the geniuses in the California State Assembly said, what could we do?
	Well, why not do what the farmers do?
	And they have signed a human composting bill.
	It's now legal.
	This is Assembly Bill 351 and it's going to allow natural organic reduction burials beginning in 2020.
	So you just walk into a field and like keel over and they leave you there in the field?
	How does it work?
	I'm curious.
	Throw some coffee grounds on you.
	Right.
	Like you're just supposed to do home composting.
	A banana peel, a little bit of coffee grounds.
	Right.
	So, what they do is they put you in some sort of steel container and then they cover you with different organic material and wood chips, cedar chips.
	I guess that's a big key component of this.
	And then they leave you there for about 45 days.
	Once you've turned into dirt, here's the great part, you can either send yourself back to your loved ones so that they can like fertilize their yards or something with you.
	Or you can donate yourself to like indigenous state-run land, conservation land, and you can be sprinkled there.
	Isn't that nice?
	So is that like some kind of response to white guilt?
	Yeah, and I think also petunia guilt.
	You know, if you've been taking good care of your petunias, you can put grandpa in there.
	So this is law now, right?
	This is law.
	This is law.
	2027, you'll be able to do human composting.
	So you still have brownouts.
	You're not allowed to use electricity at certain hours of the day, but you can compost yourself.
	You can absolutely do that because it's better for the environment.
	There's a lot of energy for crematoriums and a lot of chemicals that go into them.
	Let's move on to Looneyville story number two.
	Is there going to be a duel between Newsome and DeSantis?
	Is it going to be sabers at dawn?
	What's the latest?
	God, I hope so.
	I'm going to tell you right now, I do hope eventually these two run against each other for the presidency because I will have the popcorn ready.
	We can have debate parties all day long because all you have to do is show the differences between California and Florida and you win a presidential election.
	But Gavin Newsom, Who is literally certifiably a maniac.
	And I don't like to, you know this, I don't like to diagnose people with medical conditions.
	But the guy's the governor of California.
	He is up for election in November.
	I know he's not concerned about it.
	He's running against Brian Dolly, who's in the California State Senate.
	But he seems to forget that he's not running for the presidency already, or maybe he thinks that he's running for Florida governor because he is obsessed, like every other leftist in this country, with what Ron DeSantis is doing.
	But why is that?
	Why are these leftists so obsessed with a governor of Florida?
	I don't get it.
	You know what, just the same way.
	Look, of two people on this planet, in this country at least, who the media is obsessed with, it's Donald Trump and it's Ron DeSantis.
	And so clearly they both pose a threat to the leftist way of life.
	They are set, we saw what happened today with Letitia James, they are set to destroy, not just take down Donald Trump anymore, they want to destroy him and they have no basis to do it.
	They are doing the same thing with Ron DeSantis.
	So, I mean, the proof is perfect with the Martha's Vineyard story.
	Poor Governor Greg Abbott has been sitting in Texas for months now shipping migrants or invaders from the third world, as I like to call them, to places like Washington D.C.
	He's been sending them to Chicago, New York, and yeah, it's gotten a little attention.
	But my goodness, Ron DeSantis puts 48 people on a plane and sends them to Martha's Vineyard, and everybody's head is exploding, and now it's a front burner.
	It's because he threatens them, and that's why Gavin Newsom Well, it's beautiful to watch.
	He has spent more money running against Ron DeSantis in this election he's having in his brain than he has on his own governor's race here in California.
	He hasn't spent a dime on that.
	Well, it's beautiful to watch.
	At least we now have it confirmed for us that we have border security in America.
	Well, in a very little part of it.
	It's called Martha's Vineyard.
	She is Jennifer Horne.
	Follow her at Jennifer Horne.
	Host of the Morning Answer AM 870 and AM 590.
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	So this isn't the first thing he's done.
	So he's obsessed with Ron?
	Oh my gosh.
	So he not only has asked to debate him, and he hasn't even said he'd debate the candidate, Brian Dolly, he has run commercials in Florida that talk about how bad Ron DeSantis is.
	Weird.
	It's just bizarre.
	I mean, it's crazy, crazy behavior.
	He's constantly talking about Ron DeSantis.
	So he knows who he's running against and what's going to be really great for get DeSantis and Newsom?
	Newsom against Kamala Harris.
	You want to know about all the dirt with those two?
	They are going to have at each other.
	I've got to get another Skype guest on but I had lunch with Phil today and I brought up the podcast and he says he's got to have another chat with Mike.
	Oh, that's because he told us that we're supposed to all talk next week.
	I think he said he was traveling for a little bit today.
	So, uh, or this week, I mean, so that's, yeah, that's our next step.
	Good.
	We're on it.
	All right.
	Thank you though.
	All right.
	I'll talk to you later.
	Bye.
	Bye.
	All right.
	Want the mics off?
	Yes.
	All right.
	Dr. G is ready for anything on America First.
	Yes I am, and so is Mike Lindell.
	Did you hear?
	He's suing the Department of Justice and the FBI for harassment.
	Those three unmarked vehicles that blocked him into that fast food service way.
	Why?
	Because they wanted to take his cell phone because he's a friend of President Trump's.
	God bless Mike.
	Oh, DOJ, I don't feel sorry for you for a second, but you are going to get some from Mike Lindell.
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	Welcome back, Chad Robichaud.
	Thanks, Dr. G.
	All right, so we've got lots of organizations out there.
	Not enough, I would say, but several organizations that help veterans.
	I've been talking about Mighty Oaks all day.
	I've been away for a couple of days, but we've been talking about it in the first hour, the second hour.
	What's different?
	Will you tell our listeners why you created this organization and what's different about it?
	Well, I created the organization because I came home from eight deployments from Afghanistan.
	All right, let's call Chad back on his phone because he's mobile.
	He's a man of action.
	I don't think this Skype connection is going to work for us.
	So call Chad back on his phone.
	In the meantime, please, the easiest way to support our veterans.
	We want to stop these suicides.
	It was up to 30 a day.
	30 a day during covid is to go to our website sebgorka.com that's s-e-b-g-o-r-k-a that's s-e-b-g-o-r-k-a and at the very top you can see me you can are we calling him up are we dialing him Are we getting him up?
	It's me and Chad at the top of the website and it just says Restore Our Warriors.
	That's Restore Our Warriors.
	They specifically focus on preventing or helping to prevent suicides by veterans who've come home from multiple combat tours in what?
	Well, in the name of our country to protect you and me.
	Do we have Chad?
	Is he back?
	All right, so let's go to your calls while we're getting him back.
	Victor's been waiting very patiently in Silver Spring.
	Line three, welcome, Victor.
	Thanks, Sebastian.
	My question is, how do you deal with a total leftist neighbor?
	Two of them came over today, and they wanted to know who I was listening to.
	And I said, oh, I was listening to you.
	And this one woman says, oh, he probably Said this and said that.
	Well, you ought to watch the regular news.
	Maybe you might learn something.
	And then I got into a little bit with her about... Oh, Victor!
	What happened?
	Did you press the wrong button, my friend?
	I want to give you some advice how you deal with those individuals.
	In the meantime, how are we doing with Chad?
	We're getting Chad back on the line.
	All right, Chad, are you there?
	Yes, sir, I'm here.
	Alright, Sam Pogambi, you've always got to be flexible.
	So, we were asking you, what's special about Mighty Oaks, my friend?
	Well, you know, for Mighty Oaks, it's really just a pay-it-forward effort.
	I came home from my eighth and last deployment as part of a Special Operations Task Force in 2007.
	I dealt with my own issues of anger, frustration, anxiety, and a suicide attempt.
	And on the other side of it, some amazing people helped me.
	And one of the most profound things that they helped me with was the restoration of my faith.
	And so Mighty Oaks was born out of that desire to pay that forward.
	And that was 12 years ago.
	We are doing non-clinical faith-based peer-to-peer mentoring.
	And so as veterans who went through the same things that I went through helping other veterans, And we've had the opportunity to speak to 350,000 active duty troops around the world, on bases around the world.
	We run our non-clinical recovery program, which is a legacy program.
	We've had 4,600 graduates.
	From that program over the last 12 years, all four branches of the military send people in orders to us.
	It's all non-clinical, faith-based, peer-to-peer mentoring, warrior-to-warrior.
	I want to hear a little bit.
	I know you're busy.
	I know you're on the road.
	I want to hear a little bit about what you do at these retreats and what the ranches are like where these veterans go to for your assistance.
	So stay on the line because I want people to understand just how important the mission of the Mighty Oaks Foundation is.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka, this is America First, coming to you live from the reliefactor.com studios.
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	Hey, did we know he was going to be calling from his car?
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	One minute.
	And I'm going to use the statements from the president in the e-block, Eric.
	Oh, the picture I sent you?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Look at that motley crew.
	Oh, God.
	I wonder why Trump called her peekaboo.
	I'm curious as to what he means by that.
	We'll have to look it up.
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	Constitution, America first.
	Welcome back, dear friends.
	We've got Victor back.
	We're going to go to him momentarily.
	We've got to continue that conversation.
	But one more question for our buddy Chad Robichaux of the Mighty Oaks Foundation.
	So, Chad, you help our veterans.
	You're there to try and prevent suicide and you send them to these amazing ranches.
	Will you tell us a little bit about these ranches and what happens when the veterans go there and how much it costs them?
	Yeah, so we have five locations, California, Ohio, Virginia, two in Texas, all four branches of the United States military.
	Some active duty to us on orders in the veteran community comes to us as well as for as well as first responders and spouses.
	And, you know, when they come for that six days, we pay for everything.
	So they have their trains covered, their travels covered.
	It costs us about $2,500 a person to send through.
	We're doing about $4 million a year in programming.
	So even though we did 4,600 graduates over the last 12 years, we're doing 1,000 per year now.
	And it's just an incredible opportunity for them to get in front of other veterans who have struggled just like they have and learn the way forward based on biblical principles through our 14 14 core programs that they go through in that one week.
	And then after they finish that week, then they're tied into our aftercare program for continued on care moving forward, whether they're in active duty still, integrating out of the military back into civilian life, or if they're veterans that have been struggling for some time.
	And like I said, we've had 46.
	And I have to ask you, You must have examples of veterans or active duty servicemen and women who've actually said to you after one of these visits to one of your facilities that they considered suicide and now they're not going to.
	Does that happen?
	Do they share that with you, Chad?
	You know, over and over we've had, and we've had people that have just got up a suicide chance.
	You know, we have a Marine Corps master sergeant who, who, uh, right in front of his wife, jumped out of a seven story window, missed the pavement by a foot, uh, shattered his legs.
	And the day he got out of the hospital, he came, uh, he came to our program and then not only, uh, wanting to live again, but ended up wanting to pay it forward and became an instructor at our program.
	Uh, one of, one of my favorite, uh, instructors right now is a Navy SEAL, retired Navy SEAL named Colin Fields.
	Colin came to our program in a hold drive there.
	He was coming to our program.
	He refused to fly.
	He wanted to drive and he had a seatbelt off looking for... He was looking for something to crash into.
	So his wife would think he accidentally died on his way to the program.
	But he said he never found anything and ended up at the ranch.
	And now...
	You know, not only is he just an amazing man of God, he's committed his life to helping other veterans move forward just like he found.
	Alright, let's get him on the show next.
	God bless you, Chad.
	Keep doing what you do.
	You can follow him at ChadRobo, ChadRobo on Twitter.
	But more importantly, Please support this organization.
	Go to my website, sebgawker.com, and click on the Mighty Oaks banner at the very top.
	It says, Restore Our Warriors.
	That's S-E-B-G-O-R-K-A, sebgawker.com.
	Stay safe, my friend.
	Alright, he's back!
	We've reconnected with our Star Trek fan par excellence, Victor in Maryland.
	So, you had a liberal neighbor who doesn't like me.
	How did that conversation proceed, Victor?
	Well, I was trying to explain to her about DeSantis sending these illegal aliens up to Martha's Vineyard, and I said the people up there couldn't stand them and got them off the island within 24 hours, and she says, no, that's not true.
	The people welcomed them.
	They fed them.
	They clothed them.
	And then they were sent to another place.
	And then they were deported to a military camp.
	Yes.
	And she told me I should listen to some regular news and I would know a lot more.
	What's the point of arguing with these people?
	I mean... Well look, here's the approach.
	And I know you listen to my buddy as well, Chris Plahn.
	He says, you know, you've got to...
	You gotta challenge them.
	You gotta get them to tie themselves up in knots.
	So when you hear people, you know, criticize those you know to be decent patriots and say nasty things like they're fascists or, you know, you've heard Chris say, okay then, can you define for me what a fascist is?
	And I'd be curious as to whether your neighbor could even define that word, Victor.
	She's one of these typical 1960s hippies.
	If she's been like that since the 1960s, it may be a hopeless case, Victor.
	It is a hopeless case.
	I'm outnumbered here.
	And my fiancé tells me, don't argue with them because you do depend on them to help you, you know, read your mail and take you places, stuff like that.
	So I got to be a little bit careful and not get them really ticked off.
	But I will have the last laugh because I don't tell them what's going on.
	They're going to find out for themselves what's going to happen down the road.
	They're going to find out in November.
	They're going to find out when President Trump is back in the White House.
	Thank you, Victor, talking of last laughs.
	Let's have a little laugh with the... Oh, do you have that map?
	How is that word pronounced here in America, Mr. G?
	Can you push that map up on the screen?
	Mr. G, I've just picked a map at random.
	There's a word in the middle of the map.
	It's spelt N-I-C-A-R-A-G-U-A.
	I know my English is a little bit strange, but put it back.
	Put it back.
	How is that word pronounced here in America, Mr. G?
	Nicaragua.
	You mean like it looks?
	Yes.
	Nicaragua, okay.
	Where all the cigars come from.
	Oh, there you go!
	There you go.
	Alright, well, there's somebody who's paid to be the press secretary of the president, and this is how she pronounces it.
	Play the cut.
	These people are fleeing communism, as we have said, as you heard DHS say as well.
	Falling authoritarian regimes in Venezuela, Nicaragua, and Cuba are causing a new migration challenge across the Western Hemisphere.
	So what we're seeing is a new, definitely a new pattern.
	Nicaragua?
	I didn't say any W's.
	Nicaragua.
	I mean, you see, you know, the CNN talking head saying Nicaragua.
	I mean, this kind of Hispanic, but Nicaragua.
	That's Elmer Fudd.
	I know that.
	That's how Elmer Fudd says Nicaragua.
	Can you just play just the word a few times, Nicaragua?
	Where is Nicaragua?
	Where is Nicaragua?
	Nicaragua.
	That's hilarious.
	We gotta put that in the sound box.
	It is the best thing ever.
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	After hearing Chris play it so many times today.
	Yeah.
	Can you, Alex, can you make a loop of just the word for like, I don't know, like 15 seconds?
	Just Nicaragua with a little pause.
	Nicaragua.
	Can you make a loop for me for tomorrow?
	Yes.
	Thank you.
	Absolutely.
	90 seconds.
	So what do we do with Robichaud then?
	Like the bit where he came back on the phone and then the second segment?
	Because the bit with him on Skype just... Yeah, forget the Skype thing.
	Yeah, okay.
	And what do you want to call it?
	Hang on a second.
	70 seconds.
	Yeah, Rubishaw.
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	The fascist.
	The bigot of the vineyard.
	From Michigan.
	Mike, welcome.
	Hi, Sebastian.
	Good!
	Hey, good.
	I've got a statement that I thought about after I'd heard about all of this is basically I believe that the reason everyone is so upset on the left about what Ron DeSantis is doing is because he's actually showing what their definition of a sanctuary city is.
	Martha's Vineyard is a sanctuary city.
	Correct!
	They are safe there.
	No, absolutely.
	No, it is a sanctuary for white racists who, when these individuals who aren't white arrive, pull the emergency ripcord signal and get the National Guard to deport them and put them in a military camp.
	That's why the left can't stand it, absolutely.
	Alright, let's go from one mic to another mic.
	Mic in Detroit, welcome to America First.
	Oh yeah, Dr. Kolka, I know that you're a student of history, or you know how important history is, and it just seems like when you have this alliance of the deep state, the Dems, and the radical left, they've adopted—I was raised by the World War II generation, and it's obvious to me they've adopted the two worst ideologies in the history of the world, and that's Stalinism,
	And Hitler's Nazism, you know, they started introducing race into this, and I'm waiting for, you know, a propaganda, Goebbels propaganda film of rats flowing out of a sewer as, you know, white supremacist uprising.
	And you've got the Stalinist show trials, beginning with Kavanaugh, and you've got Mueller, and the elimination of President Trump's associates.
	you know, this is a plan.
	You know, this is not just, you know, just not some sort of random, angry Trump derangement syndrome.
	They've got, they're working together as a plan and history is repeating itself.
	Well, you know, they will.
	No, but it's a new version.
	It's not an exact repeat, but you are right, Mike.
	And you're so very correct that the show trials didn't begin with January the 6th.
	It began far earlier with Kavanaugh as well.
	And this is what happens when you have nothing else, when you're desperate to maintain power, you demonize the other.
	With Letitia James in New York filing, filing indictments against the Trump family, including his children.
	Guys, everybody has a role to play.
	We've got to take back the Republic.
	One of the smartest guys doing something about it is our next guest here on America First One on One.
	Do not touch that dial.
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	We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.
	Let me say it again.
	The 2020 election was the most secure election in American history.
	Let me begin by asking a very simple question.
	Do we know the truth about what really happened in the 2020 election?
	I think millions of Americans know something went wrong, and they have little pieces, and no one's really put it together.
	I'm agnostic on this question, and I am awaiting more information.
	If I believed the president were a Nazi, I might steal an election.
	Bold accusations require bold evidence, and they haven't seen it.
	We have been working on something big.
	Show me the money.
	Can we meet?
	I've been working with Greg Phillips.
	He has a deep background in election intelligence.
	True The Vote has the largest store of election intelligence for the 2020 elections in the world.
	No one has more data than we do.
	We identified in Atlanta 242 mules that went to an average of 24 drop boxes.
	But Philadelphia alone, we've identified more than 1,100 mules.
	What is a mule?
	This is not grandma out walking her dog.
	Bad backgrounds, bad reputations.
	They are interested in one thing, that's money.
	This is organized crime.
	In no way, in no time, is that legal.
	- This is organized crime.
	- Do you have video evidence?
	- Four million minutes of surveillance video around the country. - What you're about to see is disturbing.
	So this is 1 o'clock in the morning.
	Don't we all vote at 1 o'clock in the morning?
	One night, this person, this mule, went across six counties to 27 different drop boxes.
	I call it the Mexican Mafia, seriously.
	Because they work like that.
	This is jaw-dropping.
	What you showed is frightening.
	It's just sickening to me.
	Now we come to the most important question of all.
	Was the magnitude of vote trafficking enough to tip the balance in the 2020 presidential election?
	It's not a leap to say this would have made a difference.
	They have ruined election day in the United States of America.
	That's provable.
	And that's enough for me to fight the left with every fiber in my body.
	Without free and fair elections, we are not a democracy.
	We are a criminal cartel masquerading as a democracy.
	Two Thousand Mules.
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	This state is governed by the interests of the people of the state of Florida.
	It is not based on the demands of California corporate executives.
	They do not run this state.
	They do not control this state.
	I also thought it was interesting.
	I talked to the Speaker of the House yesterday afternoon.
	And he said Disney never called him while they were putting this through the house.
	They didn't seem to have a problem with it when it was going through.
	If this was such an affront, why weren't they speaking up at the outset?
	And yet they won't.
	And then for them to say they're going to actively work to repeal substantive protections for parents as a company that is supposedly marketing its services to parents with young children, I think they crossed the line.
	And, you know, people ask me, you know, kind of about their posture on the bill.
	I said, you know what?
	Well, if we would have put in the bill that you were not allowed to have curriculum that discussed the oppression of the Uyghurs in China, Disney would have endorsed that in a second.
	That's hitting them where it hurts.
	That is the governor of Florida, Ron DeSantis, taking on wokeism across American corporate environments in all states, Disney being one of the biggest.
	Our special guest for America First One-on-One has focused on that wokeism, but now he's broadening the aperture from Woke Inc.
	to Nation of Victims.
	We are very, very, very delighted to have him with us on the show today.
	Vivek Ramaswamy, welcome to the Salem Radio Network.
	Good to be on, as always.
	So, you're a hard man to keep up with.
	I thought, you know, Woke Inc.
	was published yesterday, but clearly it's time to go on to the next mission.
	Let's just start with, for those who aren't familiar with your story, you have a very, very short bio on Twitter.
	All it says is capitalist and citizen.
	Tell us your story.
	Tell us where your family hails from and why you wrote the book and what else you do during the day.
	Yeah, sure, absolutely.
	So, you know, the capitalist and citizen, that captures the most important parts.
	But I'll rewind the clock.
	My parents came to this country in the late 70s and early 80s, my mom and dad, respectively.
	They came to Southwest Ohio, where I was born.
	From?
	I joke around with my, in Cincinnati, just outside Cincinnati.
	But where did they come from?
	They came from Kerala in southern India.
	Yeah.
	So they're both Indian immigrants.
	And yeah, actually, it's a funny story about that.
	My dad, I would frequently ask him, why'd you come halfway around the world to Cincinnati, Ohio?
	And he said that his older sister was in Fort Wayne, Indiana, and that was the closest place he could find a job at the GE plant in Evendale, Ohio.
	That, of course, begged the question of why his older sister came halfway around the world to Fort Wayne, Indiana.
	And our family joke is it is the only U.S.
	state with the word India contained in the name of the state.
	So that's the family story and the joke of how we ended up in the Midwest.
	Grew up there.
	Went to Harvard for college.
	Thought I was going to be a scientist.
	Graduated in 2007.
	Then I got into investing.
	That was interesting.
	On the eve of the 2008 financial crisis, getting a job at a prominent hedge fund in New York City.
	Pretty interesting.
	Shaped a lot of my views of capitalism in ways that even affected my books.
	But anyway, from 2007 to 2014, I did that in New York.
	I was a partner in a hedge fund.
	I managed a biotech portfolio.
	Three of those years I spent at the same time in law school.
	I went to Yale for law school from 2010 to 2013.
	Kept my job at the hedge fund as well.
	When I came back to New York City after law school, I just had my hedge fund job, and so I took the extra time for a six-month stint in stand-up comedy.
	That did not go well.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
	What did you just say?
	You did stand-up?
	I haven't told a lot of people this story.
	I did six months of stand-up comedy in New York City.
	Why?
	What made you do that?
	It's not a natural progression.
	Harvard, Yale, biotech and stand-up.
	How the heck did that happen?
	You know, I used to go to shows a lot, actually.
	So I used to go to this place called The Comedy Cellar.
	I liked it.
	You know, at a certain point, you watch people do it enough, you're like, you know, I think I could do that.
	I want to give that a try.
	That was a bad idea.
	Yeah, it didn't go super well.
	I did about 10 shows.
	Probably the most prominent places I did something were I did the Broadway Comedy Club.
	I did Gotham Comedy Club.
	The people who loved me most had to talk with me and said, Vivek, this isn't going to work out as your next career.
	I wasn't imagining it would be the next career anyway, but I thought I was having some fun.
	But the audience and the people spoke, and they decided that I'd be better suited.
	The market spoke, right?
	Yeah, the market spoke.
	And they said, you know, stick to the other part of the market that you're focused on.
	Have you been on my buddy's, the Trigonometry podcast in the UK?
	No, you know what?
	I want to say actually last year I was on that podcast.
	It's funny you mention it.
	Yeah.
	Did you tell them?
	Because they're both stand-up comedians.
	Did you tell them the story?
	I don't think I did.
	No, they're pretty funny.
	Actually, I did remember that show.
	It was kind of fun, but I haven't told this story during the podcast.
	All right.
	As soon as we're done, I'm going to text them and tell them, guys, you've got a fellow stand-up comedian.
	All right.
	And then what happened?
	So you realized that your market was elsewhere.
	What happened next?
	Well, then I realized I had too much spare time on my hands, so I need to really figure out what I need to do.
	So actually, the funny version of the story is, one of the things that I picked up from my hobby instead of comedy, and it's sitting right there, is a notebook that you carry everywhere you go.
	So that was one of the things that I learned.
	Because you're writing down jokes, right?
	Of course.
	And you're not even writing down jokes, you're just writing down experiences of things that annoy you, or things that stick out to you.
	And then you go home and you think about if there's a joke in there.
	So that habit stuck.
	I actually ended up carrying it around with me as well in my day job as a biotech investor.
	But I jotted down all the things that were annoying me about the pharmaceutical industry.
	I mean, it is one of the most bureaucratic, government-regulated industries.
	We could go hours about that.
	But the funny thing is, kind of stand-up comedy led me to my career as an entrepreneur.
	I wrote down all the things that annoyed me about pharma.
	And it turned out that was my business plan for actually starting the company that I did.
	So I left my job.
	So in 2014, I started this biotech company that was designed to address these inefficiencies in pharma.
	Built that company for seven years, led it as CEO.
	I will tell you, building something from scratch, it is humbling, but it was rewarding as well.
	How old were you when you built that?
	Let's see, I was probably 28, I want to say, when I started it.
	28, 29, somewhere in there.
	Wow.
	Let's see, it was 2014 when I started the company, right?
	So what am I?
	I'm 37 now.
	Eight years ago.
	Yeah, 29 years old, let's call it.
	So started the company, ended up having some drugs that didn't work.
	That's drug development, but ended up having some that did too.
	And so five of those are FDA approved products today that we worked on.
	I'm incredibly proud of that.
	Led the company as CEO.
	It's a multi-billion dollar company today.
	But I stepped down in January of 2021.
	to work on a different kind of cancer.
	Actually, one of the drugs that I had the privilege of working on is now an approved drug for prostate cancer today, one of several of the drugs that I had a chance to work on during those years.
	However, I actually grew concerned that this biological cancer, while important, was something that other people could address There was a new cultural cancer in corporate America that I was uniquely positioned to see.
	It landed even on the doorstep of my company and my experiences as an elite investor and CEO of a prominent biotech company that involved pushing one-sided political agendas through corporate America that I grew worried was not only going to threaten the integrity of American capitalism,
	But that it was also going to threaten the integrity of American democracy, because it said that rather than settling these political questions through free speech and open debate in the public square, where every citizen's voice and vote counts equally, we had to settle those questions through elite corporate boardrooms instead, taking direction from large money managers like Larry Fink at BlackRock.
	To me, that was a betrayal of what American democracy was supposed to be about.
	It was a betrayal of the vision that set this country into motion, a system of self-governance over a monarchical system in Europe.
	And I was deeply, personally worried about it.
	So I couldn't address that while keeping my seat as a biotech CEO without having an adverse impact on the business, at least.
	Actually, there were a couple advisors to my company that resigned after I wrote an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal.
	That was a wake-up call to me.
	To say that, you know what, if I'm going to do this, I'm going to have to speak as a citizen rather than, for the time being then, as a capitalist.
	So I stepped down as CEO.
	I remain on the board, but I stepped down as CEO, decided to write Woke Inc., did it without any agenda, which I loved, just wrote the book, going deeply into my own personal thoughts on these issues that You know, I thought was, I didn't think of it as a conservative book.
	I think that liberals could effectively, principled liberals certainly find the same resonance as conservatives would with the message that said we need to separate politics from business.
	That was the heart of Woke Inc.
	But, you know, there were some questions that, by the end of writing the book, and by the time of my book tour, and questions that I got, questions that were unaddressed.
	Questions of, yes, even if corporations were cynically using these political agendas to aggregate greater profit and greater power, why is it that the citizenry is still falling for it?
	Why is the general population falling for it?
	That was a question I didn't answer in Woke Inc., and that led to the latest book that I just put out this week.
	All right, so to be explicit, he went from battling cancer in the biotech, biological cancer, to battling the cancer of wokeism.
	The first book was Woke Inc.
	We had you on the show, I don't know, over a year ago when it came out.
	Inside Corporate America's social justice scam.
	But some questions were left unanswered, and that's why we have available today, order it right now, Nation of Victims.
	We're talking to Vivek Ramaswamy.
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	We have to beat this cancer.
	So, Vivek, I gotta ask the question.
	How does somebody who goes to Harvard and Yale and then works in, you know, venture capital and biotech, why aren't you woke?
	I'm gonna ask the... Why aren't you a champion of wokeism?
	You know, it's an interesting question.
	I can't give you my own personal journey for why I arrived at my views.
	I only know that I believe what I do.
	I will tell you that, you know, so there was a there's a journalist that's interviewing me now for some big profile that are going to do in the next month.
	And and here was a diagnosis that she gave me, which I thought was kind of interesting.
	Nobody had put it to me this way.
	I hadn't thought this way.
	So we'll see what she comes out with in her piece.
	But, you know, it's actually from a from a left leaning outlet.
	And so we'll see how those those pieces turn out.
	But The interesting question that I got was, she was like, look, have you ever experienced racism growing up?
	And I said, yeah, actually I have.
	I grew up in Southwest Ohio as an Indian American kid with a funny name and parents speaking with an accent.
	It was a little different.
	But when I think about the kind of racism I've experienced, did it come from white kids I grew up with?
	At times.
	But, you know, I went to a relatively, you know, not well-to-do public school as well, but if I had to pick, much of the racism I've experienced actually has come from non-white students, non-white peers.
	Oh, Vivek, you're not allowed to say that.
	No, I'm just telling you about my experience, actually.
	Are you saying that people who aren't white can be racist too?
	Oh my gosh!
	No, of course, I'm just joking.
	I mean, it's my personal experience, right?
	Hang on, hang on.
	Let's use the right terminology.
	It is Vivek Ramaswamy's lived experience.
	Am I doing that right?
	Yeah, my lived experience.
	You can't argue with it, right?
	That's the point of using a lived experience as opposed to the other kinds of experiences.
	Right, dead experiences or zombie experiences.
	Dead experiences, lived experiences.
	This is one of my lived experiences, not my dead experiences.
	Thankfully, I haven't had too many of those yet.
	But the interesting thing was that was a 360 degree experience that taught me that, you know what?
	There's a lot of injustice that runs in a lot of directions.
	Racism or injustice or oppression.
	It's not unidirectional.
	It's complicated.
	It runs in a lot of different directions.
	And I think the right way out of it is to stop searching for those invisible lines of oppression.
	Rather than reviving the idea that we're individual agents who, at the end of the day, are authors of our own destiny.
	And so, you know what?
	I was, like, pushed out the stairs by a black kid in 7th and 8th grade in middle school that, you know, I think, you know, resulted in what my family believes was a hip surgery that I had at that point in time.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	It broke up there.
	What happened to you?
	What happened to you in school?
	Say that again.
	Yeah, so I was in middle school.
	This was in about 8th grade.
	And, you know, I was a studious guy, scrawny Indian kid running from class to class.
	Carrying my science textbooks.
	And there was a kid who pushed me down a flight of stairs.
	Why?
	It's just what you did to an overachiever.
	It was a punishment for an overachiever in school.
	Now, as I said, I didn't go to the richest of public schools through eighth grade.
	It was actually filled with kids who had been held back by a grade or two grades or sometimes three grades.
	This kid happened to be black.
	But anyway, for me, the eye-opening feature was that people can behave in barbaric ways, even in racist ways, regardless of the color of their own skin.
	Had we experienced it, you know, some sorts of, you know, condescension amongst, you know, certain white families or people who came from economically more privileged backgrounds or people who Didn't talk with a funny accent, or their parents didn't talk with a funny accent, sure.
	That was part of it, but it came from people who were black, white, brown, in every given direction.
	And if I look back, am I sure that I was the noble kid that behaved every way that I was supposed to have growing up?
	I probably didn't.
	But it laid out for me the fact that it's about human beings and the mistakes we make with respect to one another, and the way we treat one another as individuals that matters more than one unidimensional narrative of systemic racism that runs only in one direction.
	I would reject that narrative.
	This is the question I wanted to ask you next.
	If somebody said to you, if a foreigner said to you, who's visiting or whatever, you know, isn't America a systemically racist nation?
	What would you say to them?
	I would say no.
	I would say at the end of the day, first of all, the word systemically racist, is purposefully created to evade definition.
	I know what it means to be a racist.
	It means to judge someone on the basis of the color of their skin rather than on the content of their character or their beliefs.
	To think that you can look at their skin color and know something about their character or their beliefs That is racism.
	Today, that's anti-racism.
	That's called anti-racism.
	But to me, that's what racism is.
	What does systemic racism mean?
	How can a system itself be racist if racism itself is about the invidious judgment that an individual human being makes about another?
	So the first thing I would say is your question is ill-formulated because systemic racism is purposefully vague.
	It's kind of like when you put social in front of justice.
	I know what justice is.
	It is reaching the right outcome and the just outcome in a case of a dispute between two individuals or agents in the world.
	But what does social justice mean?
	It tries to generalize the concept of justice in a way that betrays the idea of justice itself.
	So that'd be my first response.
	But my second response would be, you know what?
	Even if systemic racism did exist, America was the best, last human For being able to create a meritocratic society, a free society, where people were able to achieve whatever they wanted, regardless of the color of their skin, or where their parents came from, or what their accent was.
	America was the country that they were able to achieve their dreams without inhibition through a system of meritocracy in this country.
	Were we always perfect?
	No, we weren't.
	But I would rather live in a nation that was hypocritical in living up to its ideals than in a nation that did not have those ideals at all.
	In a certain way, having ideals is what made our hypocrisy possible, but America itself was born on an idea.
	It's not even a geographic place.
	It was born on an idea that brought together a divided group of people 250 years ago around the common idea that you are free to do what you want as an agent in this world, regardless of where you came from, and with your own hard work and commitment and dedication, you can realize the American dream for yourself.
	Those are the ideas that this country was built on, that our national culture is built on, and to call that a systemically racist nation is to reject, I think, the last best hope for the free world as we know it.
	I want to ask you, how hard was it to make that decision?
	To go from just keeping your head down, being a businessman, being an investor, an entrepreneur, Being a political actor, if you will, being an author and championing those values openly.
	I mean, you said a couple of your board members resigned.
	How tough a decision was that for you personally to take this public, outward-facing stance?
	Yeah, I mean, it was a couple advisors to the company that I mentioned.
	Let me be really honest about it.
	I mean, I think it was not easy.
	But I don't want to paint some story of hardship that I uniquely faced.
	In a lot of ways, it was easier for me to do than a lot of other ordinary, everyday Americans.
	I didn't have to worry about putting food on the dinner table.
	Let's start with that, alright?
	I had achieved enough success by that point in time that I knew I was not going to have to worry, probably in my lifetime, and my kids wouldn't have to worry in their lifetime either, about putting food on the dinner table.
	Well, you know what a lot of other Americans face right now is a choice between putting food on the dinner table and speaking freely between the American dream and the First Amendment.
	I had already lived the full arc of the American dream, right?
	I was in my early 30s down in a multi-billion dollar company.
	For me, that made things very pragmatically a lot easier.
	So were there some practical ways in which it was difficult for me?
	Did it feel difficult?
	Did I want to pat myself on the back every day telling myself how brave I was?
	Probably a little bit.
	It's human nature to want to want to sort of Compliment on stuff.
	But as I've sort of traveled the country over the last year, it was easy by comparison for me to do relative to a lot of people who didn't have the luxuries that I did to be able to do the same thing.
	That's frankly what gave me even a greater sense of obligation and purpose to do it.
	And that if it was going to be hard for me to do, I can only imagine how hard it would be for someone else without the same good fortune to be able to do the same thing.
	He would not make a good liberal or a democrat because he doesn't want to be a victim.
	He assumes being a victim.
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	Okay, so let's walk through... Oh, first, before I walk through some of the chapters of your book, Vivek, can you just give us a snapshot?
	You are the doctor, you are the specialist right now, you're looking at the corpus that is corporate America.
	Give us a diagnosis.
	How rampant is the virus of politics that undermines meritocracy in the C-suites of America today?
	So if you ask me, even a year ago, I would tell you that it was rampant and it was killing the host.
	However, I'm a little bit more optimistic now relative to then, and I'm not going to take the credit.
	Whatever.
	I've been focused on this over the last year with the book, and I think it's had some influence.
	But I think there's just cultural tides that have begun to change, some of which have been introduced by economic hardship itself.
	Right.
	So the Federal Reserve.
	...is now tightening monetary policy instead of raining money from on high like mana from heaven, okay?
	That's created a different economic environment in the country where much of the woke-ism that you saw in corporate America was really just a feature of excess.
	When times were so good, fueled by Federal Reserve policy, fueled by government throwing money into the system, now as those times begin to get harder, those excesses aren't so easy to afford anymore.
	So a good example is Netflix, even earlier this year.
	This is a company I'm picking.
	It's in the heart of Hollywood.
	I've been very critical of the company in the past.
	However, I want to call out good behaviors when I see it.
	Earlier this year, after they had a disastrous quarterly earnings report, after they reported subscriber declines and revenue declines and profitability declines, then they put the word excellence at the top of their cultural document and they tell their employees, You know what?
	If you're gonna, you know, not want to work on a project because it offends you, if it has artistic merit, we're still gonna keep doing it.
	And you know what?
	You could show yourself the door and close the door on your way out.
	That is pretty remarkable as a 180 for a company in the heart of Hollywood.
	But what was the prompt for getting them there?
	You know, look, do I think that some of us who have been changing the intellectual environment with the books we're writing, you know, we might change the conditions a little bit.
	But the real winner here was the economic lever that said that, you know what?
	They're losing customers.
	They're losing subscribers.
	They need to get their act together.
	As we now see economic hardship hit other segments of the economy, I think that's actually going to be a tailwind to drive change to get companies to start saying, you know what?
	Actually, we may need to focus on our productivity again.
	And you know what?
	If we're going to hire engineers based on diversity, equity and inclusion driven racial quota systems, rather than how effective they are as engineers, we might not be as competitive, which means we might have a serious problem.
	We might have an existential risk.
	So.
	I'm not yet an optimist on this, or I'm not yet in a position to say we need to be optimistic about this happening automatically.
	But even relative to a year ago, at least there's a There's a good basis for at least thinking that the tides are turning and I think that with more of us on the front lines pushing this ball forward, I'm more optimistic about the change we can have if we keep our foot on the gas.
	Is there a danger, Vivek, of a bifurcation of the economy when, you know, some corporations understand but then there is a state-driven political matrix being pushed down on them when California says you've got to have I do think there's a danger of a bifurcated economy in a couple of different ways.
	A lot of this is state-driven, though, Seb.
	that are stuck in this political miasma and others who say, "Okay, I'm moving to Florida or Texas." Is that a danger, a bifurcation of the economy? - I do think there's a danger of a bifurcated economy in a couple of different ways.
	A lot of this is state-driven though, Seb.
	You put your finger on the right pulse.
	I'm giving a colloquial version of what happens here, but let's take in the energy sector and certain other sectors.
	Europe adopts some disaster policy in the name of fighting climate change.
	Okay, that's step one.
	Step two is California copies Europe, and both the citizens of California and those of Europe live second-world conditions as a consequence.
	But that's not enough.
	They then say, okay, they want the rest of the country to live that way too, and so they use the CalPERS Pension Fund or the Sovereign Wealth Fund of Norway or other European financial institutions that say they won't invest in other asset managers or in other financial institutions unless those other institutions in the private sector
	Adopt those same criteria, and that's how it gets permeated and gets gets Multiplied throughout the rest of the country as well even though the rest of the country didn't voted for those policies Even because the rest of the country didn't even know those policies were being implemented through the private sector using their money to do it because California held the keys to tell Blackrock to say that Blackrock has to adopt these commitments or else CalPERS isn't gonna give them money that Blackrock then takes everyone else for a ride from states ranging from you know
	Ohio to West Virginia to Indiana to Missouri to Texas for that matter until some of these more recent changes.
	Large asset managers like BlackRock and Statespring Vanguard have taken everyone else along for the ride that California and New York put them on.
	Do you follow what I'm saying?
	Yeah, no, I have to ask you one more question on that, but before I get to this question of, you've got a chapter on conservative victimhood that intrigues me.
	We're talking to Vivek Ramaswamy.
	Follow him at vivekgramaswamy on Twitter.
	The book is Nation of Victims.
	Order it now.
	You are listening to America First, one-on-one, coming to you from the relieffactor.com studios.
	You've mentioned one entity multiple times in our interview already, and for most people out there who don't live in the rarefied atmosphere that you do, or who haven't worked in Wall Street, they won't be familiar with it.
	What is Black Rock?
	Can you tell our three million listeners, what is Black Rock?
	And why is it acting in very irresponsible or dangerous ways?
	Sure.
	So BlackRock is arguably the world's largest financial institution in the private sector.
	It's the world's largest asset manager.
	It manages nearly $10 trillion and allocates that by investing in companies, in publicly traded companies.
	And they're using the money of everyday citizens, probably the money of many, if not most of the listeners of this program, to buy shares in corporate America, in publicly traded U.S.
	companies.
	So far, so good.
	Well, the problem is that in recent years, BlackRock, and they're the biggest, but there's other firms just like them, including Vanguard and State Street and Invesco.
	I could go on, but BlackRock's the biggest of them.
	What they're doing is using the money of everyday citizens to tell corporate America... Hang on, we lost you there for a second.
	They're using what?
	They're using the money of everyday citizens to tell corporate America to adopt social and political agendas That most of those everyday citizens actually disagree with.
	That is a fiduciary breach.
	I believe that is a breach of trust.
	You know, I can give a couple examples.
	Before you give us the examples, why is it a fiduciary breach?
	Is it because they are acting in a political way, which is not their mandate?
	Could you give us just, you know, the correct description of why they're not supposed to do that?
	Sure.
	So if you're managing someone else's money, you have an obligation to look after their sole best interest without any other mixed motivation.
	Under state fiduciary law, under ERISA laws, which are the laws that govern how retirement accounts can be invested, you have to look at the capital owner's sole interest.
	What I see in the landscape, you know, Larry Fink a few years ago said that businesses have to earn Their social license to operate.
	These are the kinds of things he said.
	Now, what are they doing?
	Let's look at the facts.
	Blackrock earlier this year voted in favor of a racial equity audit proposal at Apple, the world's largest company by market capitalization.
	Apple's board recommended against this proposal.
	Blackrock, a large shareholder, still voted in favor of it.
	And indeed, the proposal carried majority shareholders support.
	Now, Apple can't say anything in response to that because that's the shareholders of Apple saying that this is what we, the shareholders, want to see.
	But here's the problem.
	BlackRock claims to be the shareholders, but the real shareholders are the everyday citizens whose money they are investing in Apple or in Chevron, where they voted for a scope three emissions proposal that was proposed to fight climate change.
	Why is it in the best interest of Chevron as a business to adopt a scope three emissions cap?
	The correct answer is it's not.
	That's why the board of Chevron recommended against it.
	Yet even still, BlackRock, State Street and Vanguard in 2021 all voted in favor of it.
	I consider that a breach of fiduciary duty.
	And as a side note, Seb, you may have seen this.
	I sent a public letter, shareholder letter to the board of Chevron just last week, calling this out and asking, For greater accountability by providing a different shareholder voice that told Chevron, you know what?
	You should do whatever allows you to be most financially successful without apologizing for it, even if that means drilling for more oil, because that's what a company should do.
	And whatever your views are on climate change, we should sort that out through the political process without BlackRock deciding what the answer to that question is in our corporate boardrooms.
	So I'm going to jump right in to the end point, you know, the winning the war question.
	I got lots of more questions and we'll get to them.
	Relax, guys.
	Who fixes this?
	Because if, you know, fake shareholders, the Potemkin shareholders, who aren't really the shareholders, can get a corporation to bend at the knee at the altar of wokeism, who the hell is going to fix this?
	God bless you for writing your books, coming on my show, going on, you know, Fox and Newsmax and everything else.
	But at the end of the day, are we just beholden to, I don't know, another Ron DeSantis or President Trump coming back?
	And as conservatives who believe in free markets, Do we want more regulation or do we just wait like Rip Van Winkle for the real shareholders to get their crap together?
	I mean, who's going to fix this?
	I would say the latter approach is far more promising than state action because this is a problem in the markets and in the culture.
	Let's fix it through the market.
	So, Seb, I'm with you, writing books and talking on cable.
	I've been doing that for a year and a half or two years.
	That's great.
	That's all well and good.
	I said, you know what?
	We need to fix the problem.
	So earlier this year, I started Strive.
	Strive is competing directly against BlackRock.
	So this is an asset management company.
	You've created it, Strive Asset Management.
	So what's different about Strive?
	Let's just give let's give a case study.
	Yes.
	So case study is we tell companies using shareholder power to tell them to focus exclusively on excellence, on delivering excellent products and services to their customers and making money without apologizing for it, rather than advancing someone else's social or political agendas.
	So I'll give you just for a case study.
	Well, Strive launched its first index fund last month in the month of August.
	It's an index fund of the U.S.
	energy companies.
	It's the U.S.
	Energy Index Fund.
	Its ticker is DRILL, D-R-L-L, DRILL, with a very simple message, as you might have guessed from the name.
	It tells American, we tell, Strive tells American energy companies to drill, to frack, to do whatever allows them to be most successful without regard to any political or cultural agenda, period.
	Financially measurable return on investment, that's what a U.S.
	energy company should care about, not announcing its support for the Paris Climate Accords or its support for a carbon tax, as Chevron has done over the last year after these shareholders pressured them into bending the knee.
	The funny thing about this is within the first month, DRLL drill raised over 300 million dollars.
	Wow.
	I was able to send a letter to the board of Chevron bringing a different shareholder voice to the table.
	I've been great gauged on behalf of Stripe with over 10 U.S.
	energy companies already.
	But I hope, Sebastian, this is just the beginning of a broader movement in capital markets.
	And I am personally much more optimistic about driving change this way than through the political process.
	If I cared about the political process, I would run for office in politics.
	I think this is actually how we drive change.
	All right, well, I'm going to talk to my financial advisor as soon as I'm off the show, and I'm going to have him check all of this out, and I'm just... Blows my mind!
	Blows my mind that nobody had the ticker name Drill yet, and you're the guys.
	It's like when I came to D.C.
	and I had my Mustang registered, I said, OK, I want a really cool license plate, and nobody had registered Art of War, so my license plate... How can I be in D.C.
	and nobody, nobody thought of Art of War as a license plate?
	I'm very impressed with your approach to all of this, so God bless.
	We're talking to Vivek Ramaswamy.
	The book is Nation of Victims.
	Order it right now.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First, coming to you from the reliefactor.com studios.
	All right, I wanted to ask you this for about the last 30 minutes.
	What is conservative victimhood?
	This is a chapter in your book.
	Explain that to our listeners and viewers.
	Sure, and I'm a big fan of challenging every audience I speak to, and this is a big part of challenging myself as well.
	You could not write a book about victimhood culture in the United States without devoting at least a chapter.
	To our breed of it, as conservatives, conservative victimhood.
	And what I say in this book is that, look, even if it started with the woke victimhood complexes, there's two ways to respond.
	Either to create a political movement that says we're going to embrace excellence and greatness and not equate hardship with victimhood, which is the path I'd like to see the conservative movement take.
	Or we can become victims of our own and play the victimhood and oppression Olympics, saying that, you know what?
	Well, you think you're a victim?
	Well, guess what?
	Things that have happened to me.
	And then we play the oppression Olympics where there is no gold medalist and America is the loser in the end.
	Well, because nobody's interested in meritocracy.
	Nobody's interested in meritocracy.
	And you know what?
	If somebody else wants to dismantle meritocracy because of oppression to them, there's two responses.
	One is we recreate the case for actual meritocracy.
	The other is that we claim why we were the ones who deserve a special favor because we were oppressed instead.
	And if I'm being really honest, Seb, I see some in the conservative movement going in that second direction.
	Oh, I know.
	It drives me insane.
	The men's rights movement and all this garbage.
	Are you kidding me?
	Stop crying about it!
	We shouldn't be a political movement of crybabies.
	We need to be actually practicing what we preach to win and win unabashedly.
	To win unapologetically.
	And I think the pursuit of winning unapologetically To pursue excellence unapologetically, that's actually what it means to be American, okay?
	At the end of the day, that's what we need to revive.
	And part of what I wanted to do was... And you know what?
	Seb, I'm gonna be really honest about this.
	This came from me looking in the mirror.
	Woke Inc.
	was a book about pointing out all of the hypocrisies.
	There was enough of them to make for a successful book.
	That's great.
	And I think it's important to see the problem with clear eyes.
	But I look myself in the mirror and say, how much are we moving the ball forward just by pointing to somebody else's hypocrisies versus recreating the national identity that we're missing?
	So when I think about conservative victimhood, it's as much of a self-critique and self-reflection as any other.
	At the end of the day, though, I'm talking to myself.
	We need to wake up and actually recreate that American identity, rather than just complaining about the people who have managed to destroy it.
	Well, that takes a big man to do that, as they say, Doctor Heal Thyself.
	Give us a couple, give us one or two examples of people who you think are getting it right, outside of Strive Asset Management, you know, the obvious ones like Elon Musk.
	Where do you say, huh, that's the kind of thing I want everybody to be fighting for?
	Who impresses you out there?
	Yeah, so I mean, a lot of people who you may not have heard of is the answer to that question, actually.
	I think it almost correlates with people that you haven't heard of.
	But somebody who is a teacher who comes back to school and says, you know what?
	I know that it was recommended politely that I not teach this chapter or this way that I'm proud of American history.
	Guess what?
	I'm going to anyway, because it's easy to get on air when you have a lot of listeners or when you start a business that could have customers.
	But at the end of the day, when you're taking a personal risk, In the classroom, to teach something that you believe the next generation needs to know, there's no personal upside to you from doing that.
	There's only personal downside, but you're doing it out of your sense of duty, okay?
	Your sense of purpose.
	And when I look at a lot of people, be it from people who are police officers in the streets, keeping streets safe, even at a time when police officers are vilified for doing exactly the kind of work that keeps us safe, to teachers in the classroom, at least that minority of teachers, Who resist the demands of the managerial class in our public school system?
	To me, those are brave people taking actual, real risks without any benefit in return.
	Sure, I mean, folks like myself, great.
	If I build a successful business, I'm doing it because I think it's going to have a positive impact.
	But will I benefit from it?
	You're darn right I will.
	Same goes for Elon Musk with respect to whether or not he wants to buy Twitter.
	Clearly, he's sensitive to the price he wants to pay.
	A lot of us in the business world, that's going to drive change, I hope.
	That's positive in the private sector.
	But I think the people who I admire most are not the people who also stand to benefit from it personally, but the people who take immense personal risk because of their convictions, not because of necessarily what it means for the number of green pieces of paper in their bank account.
	Wow.
	I think, guys, I think we need to get this man back.
	So we just launched a new podcast called The Manhood Hour.
	We started with Jack Carr, the author of Terminal List, the former SEAL, then we had Delta Force founding member General Jerry Boykin.
	I think we need to get Vivek back just to discuss what excellence means at the individual level because this this truly is the American way and and this this this discussion I mean I love all of it but this last five minutes gets me very excited so last question to you and I could go on for hours and thank you for doing this I mean thank you for Taking a stand, because you could have just been that super successful guy behind the scenes, stayed in that biotech sector, but you didn't, and you've put your money where your mouth is.
	So, there's a chapter, chapter 8 in the book, that is called The Need to Forgive.
	Here's a question for you.
	If we're going to engender an anti-pandemic, a new virus of excellence.
	This is for me why people missed what Top Gun Maverick was about.
	I sat there and I loved it.
	I saw the original one when it came out.
	And I'm in the movie.
	I'm about an hour in.
	And suddenly this thing came to me, Vivek.
	I said, this is great, but not because it's rah-rah America, not because it's Tom Cruise and G-Forces, because everything about this film is a celebration of America and a very specific aspect of America, which is excellence.
	That movie was the celebration of bloody excellent performance.
	That's what it was.
	These people were the best of the best, irrespective of their skin color.
	So, here's my pushback.
	Can we celebrate?
	Can we engender?
	Can we propagate a culture of excellence or return to the one that we had that built this nation?
	In an age where social media is not controlled by those who believe in excellence, there is no opportunity for, you know, forgiving people on Twitter, on Facebook, on Instagram.
	So how much of a stumbling block or an obstacle is a clearly woke, politically active social media Palo Alto class?
	Have you thought about that?
	I have, and it's a big obstacle.
	I do not believe it is yet insurmountable, though.
	And here's why I hold out some hope.
	The answer isn't going to run through social media or the digital world.
	The answer is going to run through the offline world.
	And I think that this is where the everyday citizen can play a role in the offline world of reviving the civic fortitude, the psychic fortitude that comes from the everyday real experiences we have in the offline world.
	When people complained about Facebook or Instagram not doing enough for teen girls who worried about body image issues, they expected me to criticize Facebook for that too.
	You know what I said?
	No, I'm not going to criticize Facebook for that because I don't want Facebook being even responsible for managing the psychic state of teen girls or the cultivation of virtue in a society.
	Mark Zuckerberg is not a priest.
	He is not a rabbi.
	We don't want him.
	to be our priest or our rabbi or Jack Dorsey either.
	We need to recreate the kind of institutions, religious institutions, family, civic institutions in our private sector that give us so much self-confidence both as individuals and as a people that we're not vulnerable to the exploitation of algorithms that have a knack for sussing out human insecurities.
	That's what this whole social media empire is built on.
	Identifying human frailties and picking at them Algorithmically, in a way to gain a greater window into our soul than we have into our own, maybe the right answer is actually to gain that greater window into our own soul that doesn't leave us vulnerable to being picked at by the algorithms of modern social media.
	Which is also why I worry about the metaverse.
	Because the whole premise of the metaverse is dissolving the boundaries between the online and the offline world.
	I think we need to be really careful about that because it's going to be our path in the offline world.
	That ultimately gets us to our restored path back to excellence and our path back to a shared American identity.
	You can't have excellence in a world that is artificial and doesn't exist.
	I would make one modification.
	It's not the offline world.
	It's the real world.
	That's where we have to engender meritocracy.
	All right.
	I'm going to stop it now.
	I'm out of time.
	Absolutely superb.
	Follow this man on Twitter.
	Order the book right now, A Nation of Victims, so we can stop being a nation of victims.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to President Trump.

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