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Sept. 13, 2022 - Sebastian Gorka
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Sebastian Gorka LIVE: Is Ukraine really defeating Russia?
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Welcome, dear friends.
Greetings to all of you across the nation.
A very special edition of America First today.
Why?
Because we have one of the bravest people fighting swamp monsters every single day with us in studio.
He's a great supporter of the show.
He's proven himself in battle against the deep state as chairman of the Intelligence Committee of the House.
And now he runs Truth Social.
Congressman, Chairman, President, CEO, Devin Nunes, welcome in studio.
Seabass, it is a pleasure, honestly, to be here.
You've invited me for so many years, and it's great to see your Millennium Falcon, all your Star Wars paraphernalia around here.
You got your red phone.
I mean, it's great.
I think we're of a similar vintage, so I think you can appreciate all the stuff that my wife likes me to get out of the house and stuff my studio full of.
My wife would like for me to get all this stuff out of the house.
You have to get a show in Salem, then we have to build you a studio, and then we can fill it.
All right, I'm glad we've got a sense of humor, because in Reagan's tradition, we have to be happy warriors.
I can't but start with the news.
Two shocking items that we have.
We have Steve Bannon mentioned this last week after he has to go to New York.
He was on the show with us after he walked out of that indictment.
In New York, that dozens of people associated with President Trump are being ambushed, being subpoenaed by the DOJ.
We have the confirmation today, 44-0, including our regular friend here, Boris Epstein, who is a lawyer to President Trump, had his phone, his phone taken away from him by the federal authorities.
And then as you're walking into the studio with your colleague, we find out that Danchenko, the notorious Danchenko source for the Steele dossier, thanks to a Durham filing, we now know he's an FBI informant.
Did you know all of this?
Did you know the subpoenas were coming?
Danchenko was a plant.
I have to have your response.
Well, I think that let's take the Danchenko stuff first, and we can come back to the other subpoenas that Steve Bannon mentioned.
But this is really breaking news right now.
It's only a few hours old.
Durham went to unseal some findings, and in that, just to remind the audience, Danchenko was the super-secret Russian source that, when we were investigating this, everybody said, oh, these people are going to die.
These are sources that are close to Putin.
Putin could off him at any minute.
And it ends up, Seabass, that he was within a few blocks of here.
Yeah, he was at the Brookings Institution, just a few blocks from our studio in DC, very susceptible to the Kremlin killing him.
Yeah, all nonsense, right?
But remember, that was what was leaked to the fake news.
They pushed it out that we, the Republicans... Can I give the timing?
Because you pointed out how crucial the timing is.
This is from the Durham unsealed document.
This is from Twitter.
March 2017.
The FBI signed up Danchenko as a paid confidential human source until October 2020.
Why is that so significant?
So this is really fascinating.
And like I said, we're just discussing breaking news right now.
What people have to remember, you have to go back in time to March 2017, the first year of the Trump administration.
This is right around the time that myself, Chuck Grassley, Senator Chuck Grassley, and others, Trey Gowdy at the time, we all figured out that this was total nonsense.
The Steele dossier, Russia collusion.
The Steele dossier, collusion, there was nothing.
They had zero, zip.
So why does this matter so much?
It's because this, now that we know this was a confidential human source, this is the guy that through 2016 was working for Fusion GPS as essentially their phony Russian.
The FBI knows at that point we're on to them, right?
This is McCabe, Strzok, all these guys that are now no longer there.
Maybe some guys that are still in the building, but they quickly go out to sign this guy up to what?
To protect him.
had to have been to protect them.
So this is a retroactive action because as soon as they make him a CI, oh, we can't talk about him, super, super secret, because they know that you're going to work out.
He's not in Moscow.
He's not working in the Kremlin.
He's some guy working for Hillary Clinton's hit team of propagandists here in D.C.
Right, right.
No, he's a dim operative, I mean, for lack of a better term.
He clearly knows what he's doing.
He's working for Fusion GPS.
He has to know what this is all about.
And so the fact that the FBI would sign this guy up right Right at the time that we had discovered that this whole thing was phony, because remember it was at that point that we learned that the dossier had been paid for by the Clinton campaign.
That's when we learned it.
Now the whole world doesn't find out about it for another 10 or 11 months later when we came out with the memo that disclosed it.
And remember, The Deep State, these crooks, were putting pressure on the Congress, on me specifically, and my colleagues.
We knew that.
And I remember I kept having to say, look, I can't tell you what I know, but what I know is really bad.
Because they were looking for any reason they possibly could to shut our investigation down.
And what an easier way to shut it down than to say, oh, they're leaking classified information.
So the fact that they hired this guy at that time and brought him onto the payroll I mean, look.
It's just to hide him.
Clearly, it was to obstruct our investigation.
This guy would have zero relevant information.
The FBI knew the whole damn dossier was a total frickin' fabrication and a lie.
They knew.
We knew it at the time.
What did they do?
They bring him on the inside.
And remember, it's not the only one that we caught them later with these other cats like Halper.
Remember that guy?
Stephen Halper.
And it even appears like now a guy we never found was this guy named Jaffe was supposedly working for The cyber executive.
The cyber guy.
And then don't forget Azra Turk, the FBI investigator who's in a bar with George Papadopoulos in London.
To this day, we don't know if she even exists, what her cover is, and whether she was working for another agency.
These are the questions we still don't have answers to.
So you mentioned one thing just a moment ago.
You said, the people who've left the building.
Are there some still in the building?
After the Mar-a-Lago raid, I designed this.
And my team said, that's far too extreme.
Don't do it.
It is now the hottest selling item on our website.
And it just says, Joe Biden's Gestapo, the FBI, 80 years from Nazi Germany to the USA.
This hurts me because I've worked so closely with the Bureau prior to joining the White House.
But I tell you, Devin, and tell me if I'm stupid for feeling this.
If the Bureau knocked on my door tonight, I would say, you go talk to my stinking lawyers.
I'm not talking to you.
I don't trust them.
So how much of a problem is the Bureau even after the people you were battling have left the building?
After the subpoenas.
Let's talk about the subpoenas.
I've long suspected that there's been a unit operating within the FBI.
And after the Mar-a-Lago raid, it came out that it had to be.
So like a dirty tricks unit.
Yeah, very sophisticated unit.
So remember what they did to hide this from Congress and from the American public is they kept this investigation.
I'll just call it the Get Trump investigation.
They kept it within the National Security Division.
Then they kept it even tighter in what's called counterintelligence, which is super tightly held.
So they figured out how to create these, essentially, Gestapo teams within DOJ and the FBI.
There's no question.
I mean, after Mar-a-Lago, there was zero question that that was going on, because it's impossible that all the same people, like Forrest Gump, end up showing up in all these crooked places.
Even in Mar-a-Lago?
Well, you're right.
The people who did the Mar-a-Lago raid, I'm just saying, reportedly, we don't know how much of this is true so far, but we're on the Mueller team.
Right.
The Mueller witch hunt team.
Remember, and this is, they're on the Mueller witch hunt team after everybody knows, and Mueller knew the first day.
I always said the first day that SOB walked into the building and became the special counsel, he knew it was all a hoax.
Those people knew it.
So that team, think about it.
That team ends up where?
Continuing on, Mueller moves on to Biden laptop, Hunter Biden laptop.
Timothy Tebow suppressing the laptop.
Moves on to Jan 6.
Moves on, also possibly involved in the phony Governor Whitmer kidnapping debacle, where that was more FBI agents or informants than there were FBI agents.
And they basically perpetuated that hoax and got these people to go out and say that they were going to kidnap the governor.
And then, same people, similar people, end up raiding Mar-a-Lago.
I mean, I don't think you can call it anything else but that.
Now, how pervasive?
Is it throughout the... I don't know.
Let's hold that thought about it.
There's definitely a Get Trump team.
It's a Dirty Tricks team inside the FBI.
We're witnessing it every single day.
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What is it that Grassley does, or is it something else Why does one guy get thrown out?
Why Thiebaud?
Because they've been covering each other's backs.
I mean even, what's his face?
The guy they fired before his pension, right?
Gets his pension back.
So why does this guy suddenly get escorted out of the building on Friday?
Is he like the worst of the worst?
He must have stayed hidden in there.
Must have burrowed in.
But why do they get rid of him?
Why do they feel they need to get rid of this guy?
I think we don't know the answer to that yet, right?
Right.
I mean, look, we know that Mar-a-Lago raid occurs.
They don't know what the hell to do because in three or four days pass by.
And the story keeps changing.
They don't have anything.
Right.
Right, clearly.
Then Garland marches out there like he's, you know... Don't you dare criticize the FBI.
Right.
And they clearly, by that time, they know this is botched because whatever the hell they were looking for, they didn't find.
And you know how we know that?
Because it hasn't leaked.
Exactly!
Oh my gosh, that's such a good point.
Yeah, that's how we know it.
But 50-50 of his personal client, attorney privilege, medical records, passports.
Yeah, well the fact that that warrant was so open-ended, the fact that they used Kash Patel An interview in Breitbart with Cash.
Yeah, they never use Breitbart.
They treat Breitbart as total fake news, but the one time they want to use it to get Cash Patel, they put it in there.
And I guarantee you, that's taken totally out of context.
I mean, that right there, as soon as I read that, I said, this is a fraudulent warrant.
They're taking Cash Patel's, if you're going to go raid the President of the United States, former President of the United States' home, you better go out first And get anything you can.
I mean, they should have went and got a subpoena against Cash before you're going to raid the president.
You go get Cash's communications and you figure out, well, God, what did he know?
Now what it ends up, they're so stupid and juvenile.
But what he's referring to, they portray it as that he's referring to what's at Mar-a-Lago.
What he was referring to are the documents that myself and many of the Republicans have seen, Cash obviously being at DOD and the White House late afterwards in the National Security Advisor's office.
These were all the Russia hoax documents that we had all seen that we wanted declassified.
But he's convinced that's why the raid occurred, that they could reclassify those documents, that President Trump had them and they wanted to deep-six them.
It's a pretty telling sign, isn't it?
And they're using, they take those words from that Breitbart article, I'm paraphrasing, but it's something like, I've seen the documents.
And they use that as if he saw the documents at Mar-a-Lago, not that he had seen the documents.
I mean, hell, I've seen the documents.
So FBI, you can raid my house if you like.
I've seen the documents.
Go ahead and raid.
As chairman of the Intelligence Committee.
If you can find them.
God, it's crazy.
It's crazy how they're just how corrupted it is.
Oh, come in with our favorite Adam Schiff.
Oh, come in with our favorite come in with our favorite Adam Schiff.
Oh, come in with our favorite Adam Schiff.
This affidavit is revealed.
It will put those sources of information at risk.
We've seen the president retaliate against anyone he considers a whistleblower, accuse them of treason, and of course we've seen the president's incendiary rhetoric already lead someone to go to an FBI building with a assault weapon, who was shot to death by the FBI defending itself.
So the risks the Justice Department identify are real.
Now the public interest is also real, but I think the question is, at what point in time does the public get to see that affidavit?
And I think the Justice Department makes a powerful case that at the early stage of the investigation, when it could jeopardize the pursuit of justice, this is not the time to be giving essentially the Trump lawyers a roadmap into how to intimidate witnesses or how to derail a legitimate investigation.
The Trump lawyers are intimidating witnesses.
Yeah, tell that to Mike Flynn.
That is the man who still hasn't provided us, after five years, the incontrovertible Russian collusion evidence that he's seen.
Where is it, Adam Schiff?
Let's talk to a man who actually takes his oath of office seriously.
He runs Truth Social and we are on rumble as well right now, guys.
You've got to follow him.
Devin Nunes on Truth Social, former chairman of the Intelligence Committee.
You talked about there's a Get Trump team at the FBI.
Adam Schiff is part of the larger Get Trump team.
I have to ask, because I think it's a done deal, especially after Mar-a-Lago, will President Trump be served some kind of subpoena or indictment based upon a criminal referral from the January 6th Committee.
We're 60 days away from an election.
Democrats are desperate, are they not?
Well, the irony of this guy, this cat, talking about transparency.
I mean, you want to talk about stuff that somebody who's not transparent, it's them and everything they're doing with January 6th.
So, you know, that's been the least.
Remember, I was in Congress Up until last year, and I said from the very first day, I said, great.
There's 14,000 hours of tape.
Show the tapes.
They never even showed the tapes to the Republicans, not much less the public.
So they're back there.
It's like a witch's brew.
They're crafting it.
And it's all about what narrative they want to create.
Now, whether or not Schiff and Pelosi and the Democrats know about this cabal within the FBI.
I'm assuming at some point, some of the people traded messages.
So they had to have known and they had to know this was a Clinton deal, right?
You know, even probably before we did, they they must know that they've got that counterintelligence division completely wired up, you know, with a direct line basically reporting to as Democratic operatives to the Biden White House.
Look, and they always run cover for him.
I think it's I think it's pretty clear.
So do you think there will be referrals against the president?
I'm sure that they just, they can't help themselves.
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah.
I, you know, whether or not, you know, but I don't know what it's going to possibly be on.
But it's not just president Trump.
Let's listen to a very clear description of the situation from our buddy at Fox, Tucker Carlson.
Cut five.
Play cut.
The point, and this is a theme in every authoritarian regime, the point was to use government agents to intimidate enemies of the regime on the basis of an anonymous tip.
Quote, I have never been so frightened in my life, Lisa Gallagher said.
The rest of us should feel the same way.
Snitches?
Anonymous snitches?
The secret police showing up at your door when you're in bed?
This is Soviet, and there's no other word for it.
You wrote the book Countdown to Socialism.
Did you think we would be here so quickly?
That the FBI is actually a political arm of the White House and the Democrat Party?
It was political.
We thought that, at a minimum, that we had at least stopped the bleeding.
But clearly, like we were discussing in the last segment, we didn't stop the bleeding.
The bleeding continued.
And you know that from just this FBI cat that got escorted out of the building a couple weeks ago.
Tebow.
Yeah.
So I don't know how deep it goes, CBass, but it looks like there's a lot more there.
Um, you know, and you see just today with the Durham that I mean, there is something that the FBI clearly obstructed Congress on.
We should have deliberately hid somebody.
Yeah, they hid that they hid an important witness, right?
I mean, remember, we spent a year coming through nothingness, zero, less than nothing.
And you know, and every time we would get to the dossier, it was just all made up crap.
And we would say, who are these people?
Who are they?
And remember they had the one time that, you know, every time they say, people are going to die, people are going to die.
It was all BS.
It was all nonsense.
And we just learn it today that the FBI had them on the payroll.
I mean, Mueller had to know this.
That whole Mueller team knew this.
Of course.
Everybody knew it.
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But, you know, there's a whole spate of fake news over the last couple weeks that Google was not going to let them on.
We have not received that from Google.
We've continued to talk to Google.
Now look, we're We want to be approved.
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I'm sure what they're trying to do, that's the left telegraphing to Google.
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We have on the line from Pennsylvania none other than Dr. Mehmet Oz.
Dr. Oz, welcome to America First!
Thank you very much for having me on.
We've got lots to talk about and I think it's an example of how sometimes the media can twist the truth quite a bit.
It's intensified by my opponent in this race.
To say the least.
But first things first, I have to ask the question.
Is he still hiding from debating you?
Is Federman on the run?
He's on the run.
You know, he gives the head fake.
but doesn't agree to a time, a day, a network, a host, all the things you need for a debate.
And he's coming under a lot of pressure, thankfully.
Even the Washington Post, hardly a conservative icon, has been hitting him saying in an op-ed last night, for example, that he must debate numerous times and he must debate early because he's trying to, if he does ever debate, stall so late into the process that we would actually lose the ability to stall so late into the process that we would actually lose the ability to influence some of the early voting that But this is a bigger issue.
Why doesn't he want to debate?
He's been saying he's healthy.
If that's the case, the only reason he would not debate is because he doesn't have confidence in his ability to defend his far-left radical positions.
But no, if that's not the case, if he's too sick to debate, then they've been lying to us.
And he doesn't have much credibility in that regard because they've been pretty clearly, you know, in the corner, in the basement, so to speak, of his house, not going out, not campaigning.
He's not answered a single question on the campaign trail in a traditional setting.
He's not talked to the press in that setting.
He's not talked to voters, not answering my questions.
So how can we in a democracy judge our candidates if they're never in front of us answering our questions?
Yeah, no, it's a fundamental issue that he is hiding from the people of Pennsylvania.
You're on one of the most America first MAGA shows in the nation from California to New York, three million listeners.
I I want to give you an opportunity to address what some have said about you.
You have a fascinating history, you're family from Turkey, you're a self-made man, successful in media.
But you have been accused of not being fully America First, of having less than conservative views on things like, you know, gay marriage and so forth.
You've got my old boss's endorsement, so I want to give you an opportunity to address those critics here on America First right now.
What do you say to those who say, eh, he's not quite MAGA enough for me?
I'd be honored.
I may get enough for President Trump, and I do believe, as I speak to people across the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, even very conservative individuals, our family values are aligned.
My father, who grew up on a dirt floor, The faraway land knew his only way out of that forming community was through an education, and he was able to succeed, finishing top in his med school class, was recruited here.
Think about this.
The American government would recruit top students from other countries.
The opposite of what we do now, we can't get in no matter what, unless you're coming in illegally.
And so he came, and we witnessed the American dream.
As a family, if you work hard, you serve America, serve the American people, you get to be an American.
And patriots like my father, so many others who immigrated here were so passionate about protecting America.
And I feel that obligation as well because I'm the product of the American dream.
I will not let the American dream be tarnished by far left radicals in the Democratic Party.
It's not even the Democrats because many of them in Pennsylvania don't share these beliefs.
They're as frustrated by this as anybody.
But what ends up happening is as you're fighting these battles, media, liberal media, legacy media will get involved and literally divide the Republican Party.
I have dealt during this campaign with remarkable efforts by media to chill the Republican Party.
Look, for me it's very simple.
You have been a darling of the left, the liberal media, because you're a successful media personality.
You've sacrificed all of that to support President Trump's agenda.
That's impressive enough for me.
I've got 30 seconds left.
I have to ask you, Dr. Oz, why does Fetterman want to release more than 30% of the criminals from the prisons in Pennsylvania?
Because he values the criminals over the innocent.
He feels he's better than the average person and above the law.
That's why, although he raises middle class tax rates quite dramatically, he himself has had 67 liens against him for not paying his own taxes.
That's why he wants an open border with of sanctuary cities and no limitations on illegal drug use because, you know, he doesn't scare him that we have the largest open air drug market.
He's funded by liberals from the coast.
Please go to Dr. Oz.com if you're concerned because you should be.
Support me so I can define him appropriately and win this election, which I pledge to do.
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He's got President Trump's endorsement.
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And he doesn't want to release prisoners from prison.
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Simply because he thinks he can get their vote.
We've got to defeat Fetterman.
He is a threat to Pennsylvania.
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All right, what do we think?
Jeff should go first on this one.
Jeff?
Same as before.
What, you mean like Youngkin?
No, no, no, no.
Oh, yeah, you just...
Nothing's changed for you, right?
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Alex, what did you think of Dr. Oz?
I thought it was good.
All right.
John, were you paying attention?
No, not really.
Guy, what do you think of Dr. Oz?
Yes, sir.
I think Dr. Oz provided very informative information to us.
And I mean, very, very valuable, I think.
Uh, and also, I mean, I'm just joking.
The time, I mean, the moment when I saw his name, of course I was, I mean, I didn't really know him, so I thought it was someone else, maybe Oz.
All right, Eric needs to give you some political background briefings.
Eric?
I think that interview reaffirmed for me that he's a double-edged sword at this point.
He's very good at attacking Federman, which is arguably the most important thing.
Which is what he has to do.
Yeah, but he was pretty vague on the issues.
He didn't really... You mentioned the gay marriage thing, and I'm sure that probably for a moment threw him off, but of course he didn't address that.
People in the rumble chat are saying he didn't address gun control, he didn't address abortion.
He wasn't asked about gun control or abortion.
I know, I'm just saying, but like, he didn't give... Six minutes, what are you... I'm just saying, he didn't give... He didn't talk about space travel either or the mission to Mars!
How dare he!
On his website, though.
I am not worried about him being swampy, that's the one thing.
I don't think he will.
But you can understand why some people are skeptical if he doesn't state his views on a number of key issues.
And the fact that he talked about, you know, of course, his father's an immigrant.
I get it.
I get it.
You know, if he just wanted to be a senator and he ran in the Democrat Party, he'd win by 10 points.
Bingo.
He's not doing that.
All right, guys, do we have Guy's 9-11 b-roll?
Yeah, we have two.
We have a long one that's eight minutes.
So eight minutes.
Excellent.
Yeah.
So I'm going to tee up the audio now.
Do a picture of Giuliani from yesterday if we have that.
Do we have that?
Um, do we?
Let me see.
If we don't, don't worry about it.
I just wanted to do that for 30 seconds.
Let me see if I can, let me see if I can find it real quick here.
Yeah.
All right.
If you find it, just play, just show that picture for the first half a minute of the audio and then switch to Guy's B-roll.
Okay.
You've got the audio, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
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As I promised, we're going to give you every day part of the oral history I recorded with Mayor Giuliani.
This Sunday I was in New York for 9-11 for the commemorations.
Here is a fascinating cut on what he saw when the first impact occurred at the World Trade Center.
And Joe Loder immediately tells me people are jumping out of the buildings.
My reaction is, that can't be true.
Maybe Joe is overreacting or something.
And who's Joe?
Joe was my chief deputy mayor.
Number two to the mayor.
So God forbid I died, he'd become the mayor.
Or if I were out of the country, he was the acting mayor.
I looked up, all I saw was debris, and I didn't ask Bernie.
And then I said, let's go see Dancy.
We start walking down there and we turn the corner so we're facing it directly.
And my, it was like, I've never seen anything like it.
It was like looking in hell.
It was like looking at something out of Dante's Inferno, kind of reversed, where you would, where the fire would be below rather than above.
And you started to, I could start making out people on the roof.
And then, I don't know the sequence in which this happened.
I think the first thing I did was I saw Father Michael Judge, who was the chief chaplain for the fire department, and my very, very close friend, and maybe I should say spiritual guidance counselor or spiritual person I went to for support and advice.
The person who taught me how to tell people about death, when my first firefighters died, three of them died.
It turned out to be three, but it was one.
Then the next day, one, and then finally one.
Three months later, I said to him, I don't know how to, you know, I'm a lawyer and a prosecutor.
I know how to put people in prison, but I don't know how to explain death.
He said, well, you come with me.
When you go to their house, the fact that the mayor is coming to their house will be a great honor for them.
It'll make them feel like their son was a very important person.
Because he was.
There's nothing you can do for them except make them feel that he was a hero.
Because he was a hero.
And make them feel that the city appreciates The terrible sacrifice he had to make and also make them feel that they're going to have support.
If they're not alone, they're going to have support, including financial support, because at least that that takes care of one area.
So that was my first of 40 with firefighters, 46 or 47 police officers, about the same number.
And in the case of firefighters, Father Judge was always with me.
So I saw Father Judge, and I said, I went over to him.
Where are you now physically?
So now I'm walking, I'm walking, I'm walking on the west side, what would be the west side drive, the westernmost avenue.
So I'm walking along the west side drive.
The World Trade Center is over here, and I'm about a block away.
And Pete Gansey is over here.
With his command post set up so that he has a view as best he can of both buildings because they overlapped each other.
So you couldn't see all of the second building.
It was covered by some of the first.
But from where he was, you could see the largest amount of it selected, I'm sure, for that purpose.
So I'm walking.
I can now see him, but I'm not in Really talking distance of him, or even yelling distance.
See Father Judge, and I ask him, Father, pray for us.
Which I always would ask him, and we had a joke in which he would say, oh, it would be better if you prayed.
It would be more unusual, and God would pay attention to it.
And I said, OK, Father, thanks.
You're off the hook.
He wasn't funny.
I said, Father, pray for us.
He said, I am.
And then he grabbed me, and he says, You know you have it in you for this.
I said, what do you mean?
He said, this is much worse.
This is much worse than anything we faced.
You got it in you.
Don't worry.
I think he knew he was going to die.
I just had a feeling he knew what was going to happen about a half hour later to him and about a half hour later to me.
Almost immediately, I looked up because the police were saying, look up, look up, because debris was falling.
I could see people being hit with things.
And all of a sudden, I just got fixated on a man up about 100 stories.
And I could see a body sort of dangling out of a window.
And all of a sudden, the man fell.
And I just stopped.
Probably shouldn't have stopped.
But I was transfixed.
And I watched it come all the way down.
And it hit the ground.
And I... I never saw anything like that before in my life.
Almost impossible to calculate what that was all about.
And I grabbed Bernie's arm and Denny.
And I said... I probably repeated a little bit of what Father Judge said.
I said, you know, this is much worse than anything.
We've ever faced before.
We're going to have to just make it up as we go along.
And stay calm.
Pretend we're calm.
Stay calm.
And just make the right decision, common sense, and ask God to help us.
And God will make the decisions right.
This is beyond us.
And they agreed with me.
And the next thing I remember, we got to Pete, and first question I said to him is, can we get helicopters up there?
Because the man had jumped, and at this point now, I had seen other people jumping, and I had seen people hanging out the windows, and I had seen people at the top of the building.
And I thought, simplistically, maybe we could get helicopters up there.
And Pete answered it in a very firefighter kind of way.
He said, boss, boss, my guys can save everybody below the fire.
It was an interesting way of saying, you're not really stupid.
Look at those fires.
The helicopter's going to blow up.
And how are they going to walk through that?
And when he said it, it had a different effect, though.
I mean, the effect it had on me was, everybody I'm looking at above that fire is dead.
He just told me everybody above that fire's dead.
That's when Mayor Giuliani realized, based upon that commissioner of the FDNY, they could save maybe some of the people below the impact point but not above.
We'll share more of that oral history every single day to remember those that we lost and the bravery of those that saved others that day.
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Uh, from yesterday, I need Wilkie, Fox, and Solomon.
And then, uh, today... Wilkie, Fox, and Solomon, oh my gosh.
Um... Yeah.
Also Oz.
Fox.
My decision to play Hunter Biden.
Wilkie.
The ties that bind, colon, America and the United Kingdom.
And then Oz.
Dr. Oz on America First.
Okay.
Oh, also in Solomon and the Limbaws.
What was Solomon about?
What does the DOJ have to hide?
The limbars.
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What did he say?
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Line one, Sean in the great city of New York.
Dr. Gorka, I was thinking that Mehmet Oz needs a little levity for his campaign, and it dawned on me this week that his opponent actually is the spitting image of the character who plays young Frankenstein in the 1970s.
Yes!
Putting on the Ritz!
Peter Boyle!
All he has to do is have that clip where Gene Wilder is introducing him, and it's the creature!
You mean when he says, put it on the Ritz?
Yes, yes, yes.
I love it.
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Stay on the line, Sean.
You deserve.
If you don't have any of my books, ask him which of my books he'd like.
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Let's go to Brian in Green Bay, line two.
Welcome, Brian.
Hi, Seth.
That was real emotional for me to listen to America's Mayor and I know that the strength he had to get through that, and I lost a friend in that.
I just wondered, your opinion, why do you think America has kind of forgotten, you know?
I just don't understand that because it's been such an emotional week for me.
No, it's such a powerful question, Brian, so I was at this...
Firehouse in Brooklyn, thanks to the FDNY all weekend.
And last year was the 20th anniversary and the captain, Captain Tim Rails, said we had hundreds, hundreds of people outside the firehouse for the commemoration.
And this year it was maybe, maybe 200, maybe 250.
How we forgot The largest terror attack in modern history.
It's shocking.
It's shocking, Brian.
And the museum's closing.
Yes!
The New York 9-11 museum's closing!
I have a lot of friends that are very powerful business people and I'm just trying to get them to donate to keep it open because You know, I've been there.
All right.
This is super important.
This is super important.
So stay on the line, Brian.
I want to offer my services if there's anything I can do for you and to help the museum.
So, Jeff, two things.
Get Brian's email.
Give him your email if we can do anything to help keep that museum for 9-11 alive in New York.
And also, let's give a copy of Defeating Jihad to Brian as well.
It's just the idea that the museum is closing down after the 20th anniversary they announced it.
What is happening to America?
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When you look at these pictures, you get a sense of what black life was like.
Some of them look pretty prosperous.
Divide Providence was clearly operating in the lives of black Americans.
Throughout history, black folks were honorable.
They had integrity.
That's what black people were.
We were never taught that America was bad and that we were not Americans.
We were raised to love America.
Protestors topple a statue of Christopher Columbus and hundreds of statues have been vandalized.
You see people trying to rewrite history.
The American people know these names have to go.
Why is that?
Whenever you have something to be proud of, People have less of a chance of controlling you.
This country is racist from top to bottom, from right to left.
And for black people to become a part of that is for them to become, in fact, anti-black, and to hate themselves.
You're a part of my friend!
There is no country in this world that a black person would rather be.
Unless, of course, they grow up in this country.
You broke the contract rule for 400 years!
We played the game!
Then they're fed a lie that is so deceptive The reason that that lie exists is power.
There are certain people who are using the Negro in order to establish that power in Washington.
And the Negro is just merely a pawn in a game that's bigger than he is.
Hey, I'm so close!
Right!
Thank you.
Will you, the youth of the British Family of Nations, let me speak on my birthday as your representative?
Thank you.
Now that we are coming to manhood and womanhood, it is surely a great joy to us all to think that we shall be able to take some of the burden off the shoulders of our elders, who have fought and worked and suffered to protect our childhood.
If we all go forward together, with an unwavering faith, a high courage, and a quiet heart, we shall be able to make of this ancient Commonwealth, which we all love so dearly, an even grander thing, more free, more prosperous, more happy, and a more powerful influence for good in the world, than it has been in the greatest days of our forefathers.
To accomplish that, We must give nothing less than the whole of ourselves.
There is a motto which has been borne by many of my ancestors.
A noble motto.
I serve. - We saw a report earlier today that at Buckingham Palace in London, Where Queen Elizabeth II lives when she is in London.
The Coal Stream Guards, who change the guard.
Not the Coal Stream Guards, but they change the guard every day at Buckingham Palace, as we know.
And we are told that at the request of the Queen, the Coal Stream Guards band played the Star Spangled Banner.
Let's listen.
Let's listen.
Yes, sir?
I'm going to come in with a clip of the Queen right after her coronation, and then we're going to talk about Her Majesty, and then we'll move on from there.
Great, sir.
Okay.
30 seconds.
Stand by.
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We'll see you next time.
Will you, the youth of the British Family of Nations, let me speak on my birthday as your representative.
Now that we are coming to manhood and womanhood, it is surely a great joy to us all to think that we shall be able to take some of the burden off the shoulders of our elders, who have fought and worked and suffered to protect our childhood.
If we all go forward together, with an unwavering faith, a high courage, and a quiet heart, we shall be able to make of this ancient Commonwealth, which we all love so dearly, an even grander thing.
More free, more prosperous, more happy, and a more powerful influence for good in the world, than it has been in the greatest days of our forefathers.
To accomplish that, we must give nothing less than the whole of ourselves.
There is a motto which has been borne by many of my ancestors, a noble motto, I serve.
A noble motto, I serve, which truly embodies what that woman did.
With her life, 70 years of which she spent on the throne as the monarch of the Commonwealth.
We have with us, as we regularly do, a citizen of that Commonwealth and a member of the House of Lords.
We watch today the footage of the Queen's Coffin being transported to Buckingham Palace.
Welcome, Lord Black, back to America First.
Thank you so much, Sebastian.
Can you help place... I have two questions in terms of the events of the last few days.
The significance of the loss of the reigning monarch, and then, if you will, as somebody so well positioned to do this, Not a state of the Union, but a state of the English-speaking peoples, as Winston Churchill put it.
Where are we in comparison to the Halcyon days when the Queen was on the throne?
Give us your impression, please, Lord Black.
Yeah, look, I think that
Obviously these, I think, universal and unanimous recollections of the Queen by her fellow citizens, or in antique terminology, her subjects, as well as by foreigners, as an outstanding figure of the last century, a stable, reliable, admirable A highly respected person.
All of that is true.
And I think the surest measure of what she achieved is to compare the status of the former British Empire with the status of the other former colonial empires of the European powers.
Now, General de Gaulle built a French community and kept it somewhat together, but the largest units of the former French world, Indochina and And Algeria aren't amongst those countries.
And what you have is a modest group of small African countries where the French, frankly, send a few thousand paratroopers around from time to time to prevent seriously bad things from happening.
And they've made some progress.
He did the best he could with what he had.
But in the case of the British Commonwealth, I mean, in some respects it's a ceremonious thing that doesn't do much.
They are united in their goodwill towards Britain.
They do work together.
You have a bunch of very advanced countries like Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, dealing with a range of developing countries.
But it does achieve something, and it works.
And that is largely the single-minded contribution of the late Queen.
I mean, she built that.
It's an extraordinary thing, which goes relatively unnoticed and underappreciated, but it's real and it's there.
And the example she set in Britain, of course, is a very high one.
Now, she inherited that from her parents.
King George VI was a man who didn't want the job, didn't expect it, and it fell into his lap because the British, the powers that be in the in the British establishment.
I don't mean that in a sort of social way.
I mean the institutional powers, the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Lord Chancellor and the leaders of the Conservative Party and the opposition and so forth, they didn't think Edward VIII was the right person for it.
And I think historically they're probably justified in that.
And George VI, as I say, he was drafted into the job.
And he was, I think, a beloved king and a very admired king.
And certainly the Queen Mother, who most of us remember, was a remarkable woman.
So the Queen continued a great heritage and raised the heritage.
When she not one single time embarrassed or annoyed or in any way let down any of the scores of millions of people that she was serving is an utterly astounding record.
And it is quite right that we should all pay some homage to it now.
Comments of people that she was a colonizer and so on.
It's just the most unutterable rubbish.
I mean, she was recognized by Nelson Mandela's, the greatest friend he had outside South Africa, and what an absolutely unwavering champion of racial equality she was, and so forth.
So all of that is right.
Now, on the balance sheet of today and how the English-speaking people's look, I would say Well, obviously the principal one is the United States, and the United States at the moment isn't looking terribly good.
But I do not buy into the theory that it's an irreversible decline, and it's just having a somewhat downward fluctuation of a temporary kind.
And fortunately for the United States, its former principal rival, Russia, has made a horrible mess of things, and is, in my opinion, It's a seriously damaged condition as a country and as a regime.
China, for all its pawing the ground and making portentous noises that it's about to become the leading power in the world, has terrible financial problems.
Not one word or number published by the government of the People's Republic is believed by anybody, including the Chinese themselves.
It has no institutions that work, except possibly the Chinese military.
And its threat is, in my opinion, certainly one to be taken seriously, but it is not a mortal threat, and it is not as formidable or dangerous as the threat previously posed within the memory of a great many of your listeners by Nazi Germany, and then by almost all your listeners, including us, of the Soviet Union.
And I would say for the rest of the English-speaking people, We're doing well, and India is advancing by leaps and bounds, pulling tens of millions of people out of poverty every year.
Britain is stable and solid, and having left the European Union, it has effectively voted to get closer to its natural allies, the United States and Canada.
Canada just elected a brilliant leader of the opposition on Saturday, and I think we're doing fine, but I think we all want a Frankly, F sharp in performance in Washington.
That is without a doubt.
Lord Black, I am open to criticisms of being nostalgic, and maybe you are too, but is it fair to say that the generation that brought us Queen Elizabeth is, well, that generation cannot be compared to later generations.
I think that is true, but I would make this point.
These comments on the Great Generation are accurate, but they often leave out one thing.
The Great Generation that fought and won World War II, and fought, economically speaking, out of the Depression, and then stayed in place to a satisfactory, very satisfactory, peaceful end to the Cold War.
They were a great generation, but they were a great generation because they had great leaders.
They were led by Roosevelt and Churchill and Truman and Eisenhower and General de Gaulle and Adenauer and comparable people to scale in other countries.
And with that quality of leadership, all peoples will respond and do well.
And on the other hand, those leaders came out of that population and at the moment we do not have leaders of that caliber and uh we came back fairly close to it i think in the reagan thatcher era of the time pope john paul ii and helmet cole in this country brian mori and all together they they won the final phase of the cold war and so you know that wasn't so long ago and we haven't
We haven't suddenly decayed as a people, but there are fluctuations in these things.
You're right, but I don't think there's any cause for despair.
We need leaders again to bring us back to where we were.
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You can come in with the Peter Jennings cut for the beef segment.
Yeah.
What?
What?
Peter Jennings.
What are your reminiscences of the Queen?
I met her quite a number of times.
That's why I'm asking.
She was always very congenial.
You know, when you could actually speak with her and she knew you a bit, you know, she was just a very intelligent, pleasant woman with a good sense of humor and extremely well-informed.
Always knew everything that was going on in areas that were in any way her responsibility.
And, you know, she was very discreet.
I mean, if she knew you well, she'd say some funny things about people knowing that her Discretion would be respected.
But in general, she was very discreet and never frivolous or silly, but did have a good sense of humor, and was really remarkably unaffected, I think is the word.
I mean, just natural, given the lofty position that she held and the length of time she held
Even when I got to have conversations with her, just in the normal course in England, because of my position as the owner of a big newspaper, she had held that position at that point for more than 40 years, and yet there was nothing slightest bit pretentious or pompous about her.
Well, I think that you mentioned is really quite the metric that over 70 years she never embarrassed her own Commonwealth.
Not once.
Yeah.
Stunning.
I mean, it's very rare that you find a, you know, an elected leader of whom you could say that even over a period of five or 10 years.
I mean, it happens sometimes, but not very often.
But in 70 years, I mean, it's extraordinary.
Stunning.
Stunning.
And, you know, she had to... it shows great self-control.
There must have been times when she really felt like, you know, getting a few things off her chest and saying what she thought of a lot of people, but, you know, she had to put up with... you know, her position required her to, you know, to just ignore the fact that the people she was dealing with at times were appalling dictators or, you know, treacherous
What are your expectations of Charles?
I think that he is a man who has had a rocky time.
At times, as you know, he was excoriated by the press, and it had to be a terribly It's a difficult thing for him, not getting into the rights and wrongs of it here, to go through all that business with Diana and the death of Diana and the public revelations of the breakdown of his marriage and some of the embarrassing aspects of that, as well as the tragic ones.
And I believe he is a man who has gone through a lot, had many dark nights of the soul, has arrived at a point where he knows what he has to do, he's ready to do it.
He's determined.
He's determined.
Where Queen Elizabeth II lives when she is in London.
The Coal Stream Guards, who change the guard, not the Coal Stream Guards, but they change the guard every day at Buckingham Palace, as we know.
And we are told that at the request of the Queen, the Coal Stream Guards band played the Star Spangled Banner.
Let's listen.
Quite a sight to see the Coast Green Guards with their bare skins playing the Star Spangled Banner the day after the September 11th attacks in 2001.
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Lord Black, you responded to my question on the state of the English-speaking peoples that We can return to whence we came, but America is not where it should be.
Let's discuss the state internally of things here in the United States.
Your reaction to the confirmed news?
We had Steve Bannon on the show last week.
Afterwards he said that People are being targeted by the Department of Justice.
It has been confirmed, as of today, 40 individuals associated with the former president.
People who work for him, like my friend and former White House colleague Boris Epstein, who is one of his attorneys, have been subpoenaed, have been raided, have had their phones removed from them by the FBI and the DOJ in just the last few hours.
Did you expect this to ever happen in America, 60 days before an election?
No, I did not until recently, because of this extraordinary and, I must say, insane, I have great reluctance and hesitation in using the word, but I think it is an accurate usage of the word, this insane overreaction to the Trump phenomenon.
I mean, if people don't like Trump, I understand why some people don't.
The answer to that is this was very clearly furnished in 200 years of American history.
You oppose him politically, and if you can, you defeat him politically by fair means.
But the politicization of the Justice Department and parts of the intelligence agencies by one party against the other main party is a process so dangerous and so unconstitutional That it ultimately will threaten the stability of the American state if it doesn't stop.
And we now know just what everybody knows and is not disputed, as far as I know, by anyone.
It can't be disputed about the Trump-Russia collusion affair, where very high officials knew perfectly well that they were dealing with a pastiche of lies and defamations commissioned by the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign.
And they presented it as intelligence, leaked it as intelligence to the media with the authority of intelligence agencies, so they didn't have to chase up and verify the facts.
They were supposedly attested to by the intelligence apparatus of the country.
and put this out on the absolutely spurious basis of it, sign false affidavits, accompanying requests for authority to conduct telephone intercepts on the Trump campaign under visa arrangements, all of that, totally unconstitutional. accompanying requests for authority to conduct telephone intercepts on the
The implications of that are extremely dangerous, and I am flabbergasted and distressed that for the most part the media of the United States don't seem to recognize that they are playing with fire in terms of maintaining a democracy.
And I have faith that good sense and legality will prevail, but it is very worrisome.
And I'm not getting into partisanship at all.
It has nothing to do with that.
The distortion, manipulation, and corruption of the system in the way that I've just very inadequately described is terribly worrisome, but I'm confident that the You know, the great majority of Americans don't approve of that sort of thing, and it will be discouraged.
But it seems not, as you say, it seems not being discouraged at this point.
They're continuing, on course, down the torpedoes and, if anything, accelerating.
They're just trying to turn that regrettable incident of January the 6th, which was just a lot of hooliganism and no great damage, and only people They're trying to turn that into the preposterous idea that the incumbent president at the time was trying to stage an insurrection.
The last thing, in God's word, Donald Trump wanted was an attempted insurrection.
As the former chairman of the Hollinger Group, you understand marketing and branding better than most out there.
If there is a reversal in the midterms, if we take, conservatives take the House, the Senate, and if President Trump or another Republican becomes president again, I'm just curious, do you think that the Federal Bureau of Investigations can ever recover its renommé, the prestige that it had given what we've learned in The last 48 hours, the Mar-a-Lago raid, the Steele dossier et al.
Yes, it can, but I think you need a thorough housecleaning.
You need what is in the private sector effectively a receivership.
You have to take the entire Bureau
And put it under the temporary direction of people of absolutely unquestionable qualification and integrity, with a license to reestablish the guidelines within which the Bureau operates, what its mission statement is, and weed out anyone who's transgressed significantly in that area, and just reinforce the authenticity and best tradition
of the bureau and and that of course that can be done and and and and i'm confident it will be done but i i suspect it will mean cleaning an awful lot of rot out of the upper areas by the way i'm not one of these people who thinks that 95 percent of fbi personnel are are squeaky clean and from what i've seen i mean i i had them around and the legal problems i had years ago uh the They all lied.
They were incompetent and dishonest.
And I don't think they're bad people.
I just think that the whole place is out of control.
And that the example of getting from their leaders is one of dishonesty and a perversion of the legal and investigative process in order to produce the But the sad thing is, somebody is serving those warrants and those subpoenas.
It's not being done by the leadership of the seventh floor, so the idea that it's just the leadership no longer holds water, especially after the news of the last 48 hours.
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How do we fix all of these broken systems?
Some of those answers will come from Republicans, not the extremists that we're dealing with every single day.
We've got to kill and confront that movement.
That's Tim Ryan.
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So you gotta kill them!
Yeah, you got MAGA, America First, just kill them.
But we're the extremists, right?
We're the quote-unquote semi-fascists.
No, the Democrats are the full cream fascists, 101%.
But we still have to fix our side because there's a lot of people without requisite courage to fight the extremists and the fascists.
One of them in studio has more courage than most of us.
She's the founder, the president of Moms for America.
We are delighted to have her in studio.
Kimberly Fletcher, welcome to America First!
Thank you, glad to be here.
So what kind of trouble are you mixing up in DC tomorrow?
Tell us.
Yeah, so we put together a congressional report card, you know, traditionally the scorecard, but we graded them like moms should grade them.
On what issues?
All 535 members of Congress are graded on 12 issues that matter very much to moms.
So one of them is the economy.
Now, the economy isn't something that moms usually focus on, but when you're having to decide between buying a gallon of gas or a gallon of milk, suddenly it's something you care about.
So that was an issue.
The border was an issue.
We've got a lot of moms who have been affected by these open borders, and not just on the borders.
They're all over the country.
This is being something that they're right closely being, I guess, aggressively attacked with, because if they push back at all, then people are pushing on them.
And then, of course, there's what's happening in the schools, and that cannot be understated.
The way that the government is calling us as moms domestic terrorists for going into the school system and standing up for our kids, That was on the ballot, you know, parental rights.
And then there were a smattering of other issues that had to do with everything from our right to protect ourselves with our gun to our safe communities, which we do not feel that we have.
When you are defunding the police, that's the reason why the gun sales are going up so high.
If you're not going to protect us, we're going to protect ourselves.
And you said in the break when you were walking in, you've made some people very angry who have the letter R behind their name.
So, for example, who's annoyed at Moms for America?
Not just the people who got the F on the R side are angry with us, but there are people in the whole entire political realm who are saying, you shouldn't have done that.
Why would you put Dick Durbin and give him an F and then put Mitch McConnell and give him an F?
We didn't give anybody an F. They earned their own grade based on their vote.
In school, you get a grade based upon the work you do or don't do.
So if somebody gets an F, they earned the F. So who did you give an F to?
So you gave an F to Mitch.
Mitch McConnell earned an F and so did Lindsey Graham.
They're the only two Republicans that earned an F and I have to say that Between 2018 and 2020, I think that Lindsey Graham had like a big, wide-open picture of what was really going on and how he was a part of making it happen, this establishment mentality here in Washington, D.C.
And I was totally impressed with him.
And I kept telling everybody, who ever would have thought that Lindsey Graham would have become the rock star?
But he quickly has gone back.
Well, he sold himself as an A-grader, right?
And he never did the homework.
He never did the work.
Well, and when you send a boatload of money to a foreign country, now there isn't anybody who isn't going to have compassion for the people of Ukraine and what they're suffering.
But there is no place in the United States Constitution where it gives the Congress or any member of government the authority to take money from the people Who have earned it and given it to the government for the very minute positions that they have to fill and throw it off into another country.
There is no authority for them to do that.
And when we're trying to put gas in our car, food on our table, that's something that was suddenly made a lot of sense to moms.
Of course we care about them, but that doesn't justify sending all that money over there.
Although that's really the House's fault, right?
It is.
Because the purse strings, the money is the House, not lives in the Senate.
And there were a lot of people on the house who would have gotten a better grade had they not done that vote.
It's momsforamerica.us.
If you go there right now, you will see the scorecard.
They are having a press conference tomorrow on the congressional report cards.
Sorry, Lindsay.
Sorry, Turtle.
You got an F, but you roundly deserved it.
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2004.
And we've grown exponentially, obviously, in the last four years.
It really took off when the Pink Hat Brigade descended on the Capitol to throw their middle finger up at the duly elected President of the United States.
And that was the beginning of a large growth.
Is it available now or just tomorrow?
It's available now.
You can go directly to Moms4AmericaAction.com.
Moms4AmericaAction and the scorecard is linked on our main site.
Oh, I've got it.
That's right on there.
I just want to see some of the grades.
I have to tell you though, I was really excited because there were 169 members of the House that got an A and 20, I think it was 21 in the Senate that got an A. I was very impressed.
I didn't think there would be that many.
Oh, here we go.
Alright, I want to see the names.
Two minutes.
I got a title in mind for Black, by the way.
Not at the moment.
Something about the Queen or more about the FBI thing?
Our own PR team called to yell at us about giving them an F. Who did?
Our PR team.
The PR team that I pay for our PR called and said, why would you do that?
That's exactly what I told our vice president.
I said, they're done.
They're done!
And they said, we can't legitimately put this out there.
Wow.
This is what's wrong with the schools.
You're adjusting the grade, you know, so changing the parameters so everybody gets a good grade.
I'm not doing that.
- I'm gonna read some of these out. - Maisie got an F.
Tim K got an F. - Well, and the cool thing is that we converted the report card into a questionnaire with 12 questions.
So the candidates who are running for Congress can fill it out, and they can put themselves side by side.
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We are back with Kimberly Fletcher, the founder and the president of Moms for America.
They've issued their report card for Congress.
We're going to read you a couple.
They're going to have a press event concerning it tomorrow.
But let's give a couple of the grades out there already.
We have... We even have some A-pluses.
They've got A-pluses out there.
Who's got an A-plus?
Marsha Blackburn!
Of course!
The only senator I let on my show.
What other grades do we have here?
We have Susan Collins.
F!
Tom Cotton.
Tom Cotton has an A. You've got to work a little bit harder.
You've got to get that A-plus, Tom.
Come on, come on.
Ted Cruz only gets an A. We've got Dianne Feinstein, an F. Bill Hagerty, A-plus.
Josh Hawley gets an A-plus.
And Maisie Hirono, what a surprise, an F. You were saying in the break, Kimberly, you were surprised by some of the big figures when it comes to the house.
You were pretty impressed, right?
I was!
169 members of the House got an A. And that blew my mind.
I honestly didn't have that much hope.
You didn't have that much faith in Congress.
I can understand that.
I can relate to that.
So, I want everybody to go to mumsforamerica.us, then to their Action site, where you can read the whole report.
Tell us why you created this organization so many years ago.
What was the impetus for you, Kimberly?
Well, it started with the election in 2004.
As I was going and knocking on the doors and telling people about the election, all these moms kept saying, don't bother, I'm not going to vote in this election.
And they kept saying the same thing, that they felt it was just too important of an election and they didn't want to make the wrong choice.
What?
I know.
I was like, let me help you.
It's too important, therefore I'm not going to.
Right.
And they didn't know where to go to get the information.
They didn't know how to find the information.
They weren't engaged in the public square like men are in general.
And I'm not saying that there aren't women who aren't involved.
Are you saying men and women are different, Kimberly?
You sexist.
How dare you?
I know this is a shock.
How dare you?
I know.
Men are interested in football and women are interested in their little chats with their girlfriends.
How dare you say stuff like that?
So here's the proof that they're different.
When you tell a girl, do not put metal in the microwave, she says, OK.
When you tell a boy, do not put metal in the microwave, he says, why?
And you tell him, and then he proceeds to put the metal in the microwave and turn it on.
Of course, we want to see what it does.
We love it when it gets all sparkly and stuff before it explodes.
It's the fun part.
I rest my case.
Bingo.
Nicely put.
All right.
So you saw this weird, I'm not going to vote because I don't want to vote for the wrong person.
I don't have enough information.
And then what did that spur you to do?
It spurred me to reach out to moms on a very different level.
They don't want to get involved in politics.
And that's one of the things that we've learned over the course of the last almost 20 years working with moms, is the vast majority of conservative women of faith aren't voting.
And most of them aren't registered.
Why don't they want to get involved?
Is it dirty?
Is it complicated?
It is!
They look at politics and they see things like what happened with Kavanaugh or, you know, what they're doing to President Trump.
I mean, they don't want anything to do with it.
We spend our whole entire day teaching our children not to behave that way.
Why would we voluntarily do it?
So what we do is we help moms understand the difference between civic responsibility and politics and help them understand that politics is what happens when you don't do your civic duty.
But where does it begin?
Because that's an amazing, nuanced approach.
I don't need you to be involved in politics, but I need you to understand your civic responsibility.
Where does that conversation begin?
How do you bring in, because you've got how many members now?
How many people?
Over 500,000.
So how do you bring those people in whose automatic setting is not interested?
Where does that conversation begin?
It starts with a golden rule.
Something as simple as that.
We help them understand what civic responsibility is, and that is protecting the rule of law, teaching those things and those values that you're teaching to your children.
And then you start to work in things like the Constitution, and they don't even realize it.
It's the cottage meeting project that we do.
It's kind of like Tupperware for Liberty.
And we promote the principles of liberty and the Constitution in a way that instantly resonates with moms through stories that inspire them and touch their hearts, examples that they can relate to.
And by the end of a 12-week course, they have more knowledge and understanding of the Constitution and principles of liberty than the majority of people serving in Congress.
So it's very simple when you teach what America really is about.
It's those foundational values and it's really what's inherent in all of us.
It doesn't really matter what your political persuasion is.
When you get down to the bottom foundation of, I want to keep what I earn, I want to share with my family, I want to be able to help my community.
That's who we all are.
And when you start putting in all these policies, that's when it gets in the dirt.
One of the reasons, the main reason why we've been losing is because we've been fighting principle with policy.
And we need to start fighting principle with principle.
Hang on, that's super important.
Explain that.
We've been losing because we've been fighting principle with policy.
What does that mean in English?
So it means that we're fighting with all these policies to try and combat the principles of big government and socialism and communism.
We need to fight principle with principle because when we do, freedom wins.
So it's like using a handgun against a nuclear aircraft carrier, right?
or a fly swatter against radioactive fireflies that are flying all around us right now.
So if you go to the bottom line principles, those principles are what unite us and connect us.
And that used to be what we all agreed on, policies are what we disagreed with.
Now we're battling principle.
But we're on our side, if you will, we're taking all these policies and making all these laws and trying to push back on their principles that they're taking out to the culture.
So we're focusing only on politics while the culture is tanking and we're going to lose the country completely if we don't start going into the culture with the principle of freedom.
I'm 51 years old.
I've been around.
I was born in England.
Lived in Hungary.
Trained the military for 20 years.
Served in the British Territorial Army.
Traveled to Africa, to Asia.
I love it when I learn stuff.
This woman just educated me.
I get Andrew Breitbart.
God bless him.
Totally right.
Culture is downstream from politics.
But this other way of looking at the issue, that we're using fly-swatting policy responses To questions of principle from our demonic adversaries.
And we're fly swatting at howitzers.
And it's getting to our children.
And that's the problem.
Have you got three more minutes?
I sure do.
All right.
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1A was 9-11, right?
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We're back with Kimberley Fletcher, president and founder of Moms4America.
They've rated everyone in Congress.
You need to check out the scorecard.
They're going to have a press event here in D.C.
tomorrow to let everyone know who got A's and who got F's.
Yeah, we're looking at you, Mitch.
Yeah, you, Lindsay.
Kimberly, you said something in the break that was so important that is a kind of theme for our show here.
Courage.
What's happened to courage in America?
It's seriously lacking.
It's kind of like we're in high school right now and you've got all the, you know, the jocks and the cheerleaders are the cool people and you're just following along there and it's the nerds who make all the money, I'm just saying.
So the people who are sitting back and just not speaking, they're afraid of losing their job.
They're afraid of being called all kinds of horrible names.
Who wants to be in that position?
But the really exciting thing that's happening right now is That we are in the midst of a mom-led revolution.
And we have moms who are now rising up, and they're saying, you know what?
I'm going to stand on those front lines of freedom.
And my children are going to be behind me.
And I'm not going to let you cross that line.
And they're drawing that line in the sand, because this is about our kids.
And there is nothing more powerful than a movement of moms protecting their children.
And it's about our freedoms, our families, our future, our finances.
Everything is about protecting those kids.
It starts in the classroom.
But it's now covered the whole entire culture because we realize that's what we're fighting, the whole culture.
See, this is why I'm so happy about all this at the end of the day, because when you're in the wild, what is the most dangerous place to be?
Yeah, you know, between a mama bear and her cubs.
Not a good idea.
That is why I know That we will win.
Because the dumbest thing the left did.
You can put me on that camera.
When I'm pointing at that camera, you can put me on that camera, General.
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The dumbest thing you can do is to come between a mother and her children.
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We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.
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The 2020 election was the most secure election in American history.
Let me begin by asking a very simple question.
Do we know the truth about what really happened in the 2020 election?
I think millions of Americans know something went wrong, and they have little pieces, and no one's really put it together.
I'm agnostic on this question, and I am awaiting more information.
If I believed the president were a Nazi, I might steal an election.
Bold accusations require bold evidence, and they haven't seen it.
We have been working on something big.
Show me the money.
Can we meet?
I've been working with Greg Phillips.
He has a deep background in election intelligence.
True The Vote has the largest store of election intelligence for the 2020 elections in the world.
No one has more data than we do.
We identified in Atlanta 242 mules that went to an average of 24 drop boxes.
But Philadelphia alone, we've identified more than 1,100 mules.
What is a mule?
This is not grandma out walking her dog.
Bad backgrounds, bad reputations.
They are interested in one thing, that's money.
This is organized crime.
Four million minutes of surveillance video around the country.
What you're about to see is disturbing.
So this is one o'clock in the morning.
Don't we all vote at one o'clock in the morning?
One night, this person, this mule, went across six counties to 27 different drop boxes.
I call it the Mexican Mafia, seriously.
Because they work like that.
This is jaw-dropping.
What you showed is frightening.
It's just sickening to me.
Now we come to the most important question of all.
Was the magnitude of vote trafficking enough to tip the balance in the 2020 presidential election?
It's not a leap to say this would have made a difference.
They have ruined election day in the United States of America.
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Your Congress and our Parliament are the twin pillars of our civilizations.
And the chief among the many treasures that we have inherited from our predecessors.
We, like you, are staunch believers in the freedom of the individual and the rule of a fair and just law.
These principles are shared with our European partners and with the wider Atlantic community.
They are the bedrock of the Western world.
The bedrock of the Western world, from Queen Elizabeth II's address to a special session of Congress back in 1991.
We're going to devote the next hour, one-on-one, to geopolitics, geostrategy and national security, but we have to discuss the topic of the passing of a monarch that reigned for 70 years, Because the individual we have in studio, a regular supporter of this show, spent some formative years in the UK.
We are delighted to have him in studio for the whole hour.
Former member of the Trump Administration of the Cabinet, Secretary of Veterans Affairs, served two of our armed services with distinction.
Secretary Robert Wilkie, welcome in studio.
Thank you, Doctor.
And I'm going to take guest privilege here.
Describe the first time I met Her Majesty.
Please.
My father was the liaison officer to the Royal School of Artillery in Wiltshire, outside of Salisbury.
And she was coming to bestow the royal title on the school.
And as the senior allied officer, we were a senior allied officer's family.
We received a visit from some of her strap hangers the night before, telling the children how to behave.
In the presence of royalty.
That's right.
You don't throw your hand out.
You don't talk.
Well, so she comes to the line.
And I've been told since then that she instinctively knew when she was around Americans.
And she liked our forthrightness.
She liked American children.
And of course, my little brother, who was six years old, immediately throws his hand out.
And I could see the guys with all the feathers in their hats swooning.
I mean, it's a catastrophe of the first order.
They ate the car fainting.
And she stood there for five minutes and talked.
My brother, sister, my mother, me.
How old were you?
I was nine.
No, I was eleven.
I was eleven.
And she talked about everything from the difference in the British school system, and were we learning languages, and how did we like British sports.
And my sister talked about learning how to show jump, which really caught her.
Of course.
For five minutes.
She is the last, she was the last link to the leaders of the Great Cause, the Great Crusade.
Winston Churchill was her first Prime Minister.
And I think of her in the comments that you have played, the Anglo-American imperium that has given the world It's greatest, it's great taste of freedom, liberty, the rule of law.
It's been the bulwark against fascism and communism.
And looking at this administration, and the Obama administration, and some of those who have been her prime ministers, what a fragile thing it is.
Well, you've almost preempted me there.
As I told our listeners yesterday, I spent the weekend in New York with the firefighters of New York.
Spent two days with one of the specific firehouses that lost a whole engine, lost six firefighters, and then On September 11th, we had the honor of spending a very large chunk of time at Mayor Giuliani's home, where we did an oral history of that day with him.
And before we sat down to interview the mayor, he took us into his inner sanctum, this beautiful office where he has a shirt signed by Babe Ruth on one side, On the other side, he had this very simplistic, beautiful piece of art on some off-white card.
An individual from the back, an older person clearly, sitting at an easel.
He said, this is my prized possession.
This is Churchill's daughter's drawing of her father, signed by Churchill's daughter.
With what you've just said, the phrase comes to mind of the history he wrote of the English speaking peoples, this unique entity that combines America with the UK, with Australia, with others.
Can we just draw back to that level of geopolitical analysis?
Would you give us a state of, not the union, but the state of the English-speaking people's relationship?
Where is that entity today?
What is the health of that entity that Churchill so well described?
Let's look at it from the American side.
It is in danger because we have a political class and a media class.
that preaches the irredeemability of the United States.
And by extension, the British Empire.
An empire that on its deathbed saved Western civilization.
All things are denigrated.
Churchill's statue is covered in graffiti in Parliament Square.
Abraham Lincoln is ripped down on the Boston Common.
The Secretary of Veterans Affairs this week is putting the final touches on removing Abraham Lincoln's words from veterans' hospitals and buildings.
The words of the second inaugural address that we shall care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow.
With what justification?
It's not inclusive.
It's misogynist.
It's anti-homosexual.
Those are the words of the soon-to-depart Congresswoman.
Has the Veterans Administration ever not treated minorities or homosexuals?
Absolutely.
But this is part of a larger effort to delegitimize American history and delegitimize our place on the planet We are the freest people.
Our institutions are a bulwark against tyranny.
We've sacrificed more for others.
I mean, if you look at the United States and Britain in the lifetime of my parents, the only two nations in the history of the world to have offered a helping hand to all the peoples of the world, including their enemies.
We've given the world the rule of law.
We've given the world a sense of what it means to be free people.
We're the most prosperous societies in history.
If you look at the great nations of the Commonwealth as it exists today, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Bulwarks.
Canada has some rough times, but the others are bulwarks against communism.
Sacrificed incredibly to stop the Japanese, and in the case of the New Zealanders and the Australians, both the North Vietnamese and the North Koreans.
Yes.
They punch above their weight.
But they are questioning America's resolve.
They're questioning America's commitment to the English-speaking world.
And I think we're in a period of danger.
We have in the White House a staggeringly ignorant group of people.
And they're the products of an education system that denigrates Everything that has made this Anglo-American period in world history great.
And in the case of the British, you look at nations in Africa, like Uganda, Nigeria, places like that, it's all British law.
The British handed over their civil service in ways, this is not the French Empire or the Belgian Empire.
Or the German Empire, or even the mistakenly labeled Italian Empire.
This was a nation that did its best given the circumstances of the time and left a rule of law and order that still exists in many parts of the world.
As Tucker Carlson said in his fabulous monologue on the death of the Queen, this was an empire that added, didn't just take away, but added to those countries.
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I wanted to shift to a far more national security oriented question, that is of course the state of hostilities in Ukraine.
But first, just to close down the discussion of the English speaking peoples.
There is, of course, the question of values.
That we share certain values.
But those values have to be carried and pushed forward and defended by leaders.
What is the state of leadership?
We just have a new Conservative leader in Canada.
Looks promising.
Very promising.
We've lost Boris.
Is it too early to say where trust falls in this constellation?
Yes, but there's hope.
And I was just in Canada Two weeks ago.
And you could see that there's a restlessness, particularly in Western Canada.
That liberties are vanishing.
And there needs to be a return to a Canada that was really a shining light in the liberal world order.
And also a Canada that played a larger role On the world stage.
When I was born, when you were born, Canada had the fourth largest army in NATO.
Dwight Eisenhower said the finest troops he commanded in World War II were Canadians.
Incredible battle history.
And now the Canadian Army is smaller than the Alabama National Guard.
Wow.
They've lived under the good graces of the American military umbrella since the first Trudeau.
Truss, I think she has an opportunity to correct Boris' missteps.
Boris committed the typical Tory sin of coming to power and governing like a Liberal Democrat.
Climate change nonsense.
Shutting down nuclear energy.
Shutting down nuclear energy.
Continuing down the road of socialized medicine that is bankrupting the country.
Truss is determined to reverse that.
The good thing about her, for our future, when this president is no longer in office, She sees the future of Britain as in the Indo-Pacific.
And that ties into what we were saying earlier about the impact of the British Empire and its Commonwealth, the traditional ties to Australia and India.
She sees the menace that China is.
And that they have to be contained in their part of the world.
And I think that's important.
She has plans to expand the Royal Navy, which is now the smallest it has been since the reign of Charles II.
So we're talking about 1666.
And have a much more robust defense program.
So that's important.
She's going to keep Britain out of Europe, even though there's still a lot of Remainers within the Tory party.
But she has assembled, I know many of the people in her cabinet.
These are good conservatives.
Big C. And if she just lets them loose, I think they can do wonders.
One last thing.
She has promised to go after the deep state.
In Britain they call them quangos.
Quasi-government, non-governmental organizations.
Right.
Run by these unelected Unaccountable lifetime bureaucrats who tried to thwart Boris and the good things he was doing, particularly when it came to the exit from the European Union and also the push against Vladimir Putin.
She's got two very capable cabinet ministers who are dedicated to weeding these people out and getting rid of them.
They've already dismissed, they've done an unthinkable thing.
They have dismissed the senior civil servant in the Treasury Department, been there for 30 years.
And if any of you are fans of BBC television, yes, Prime Minister, that character, I forget, Sir Humphrey.
Sir Humphrey, the permanent undersecretary.
The permanent undersecretary.
Those people always stay.
Politicians-- That's the deep state in the UK.
That's the deep state in the UK.
So she's giving us a roadmap on how to do that.
And she's put really her most talented minister, Williams Reese Moog, on it.
Probably the most capable debater in the Western world.
And classic conservative.
Very classic.
Old school.
But let's just talk about the reason this is important.
And I'll name a few tyrants in history.
Napoleon, Kaiser, Hitler.
They all came a cropper confronting the British Lion.
Without Great Britain, we have a completely different world.
Completely different Europe.
And we need them to be strong.
Even Mrs. Thatcher was credited with We're propping up the courage of this first Mr. Bush.
And I'll give you one quick Thatcher story which tells you about the scope of British history.
And Rumsfeld swears it happened.
The Chancellor of Germany, Chancellor Kohl, was teasing Mrs. Thatcher about Germany defeating England in the semifinals, I think, of the 1990 World Cup.
He said, well, once again, Prime Minister, we've defeated you in your national sport.
Without skipping a beat, she said, "Yo, that's quite all right, Chancellor.
We've defeated you twice in yours." Let me ask, given that you grew up where you spent time as a child in the UK, and this is a nation where I was born.
Is the bulldog spirit dormant?
Is it retrievable?
Is the old Tommy of yore still there, or has it been browbeaten into political correctness?
It's teetering, particularly in the military.
What I've observed, both at the political and at the military level, in uniform with Britain, the days of the regimental sergeant major Representing the doggedness and resolve of the British working class.
That's going away.
My RS7 was straight out of Central Casting.
It's the backbone of the fighting forces.
Boris touched on that vein in British society when he broke the red wall in the industrial heartland.
Getting Labour voters to vote for Conservatives.
Because there's a great line from George Kennan, our great 20th century diplomat, And he was an aficionado of British television and he loved Upstairs, Downstairs.
The classic Victorian series?
Yes, about those who lived above stairs and those who were the servants.
It was the original Downton Abbey.
Many years before Downton Abbey.
Better actors.
And Kenan said, that's when I realized.
That it wasn't the working men and women who lost the spirit of Britain in the 1930s.
It was the upper classes who cracked and who said no more for king and country in the Oxford debates.
Yes.
And then, of course, after the First World War, the compounded Loss of belief in their own system.
I was not familiar with that quote from Kennan.
That is fascinating.
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Amazing, amazing news in just the last week from the battlefield that is Ukraine.
You have a very, very, you hold a very close eye to these issues.
How much of it can we credit?
How much is it plausible?
How much is...
I I have to recognize Ukraine's Information warfare is some of the best I've seen I mean what they are doing on social media as Putin is doing basically nothing is stunning But let's talk about a sit-rep of the actual situation on the ground are these Advances recapturing territory from Russia.
How significant are they?
How much can we believe them?
In the last week they've recaptured 3,000 square miles in a week.
Classic deception operation.
Think Patton's phony army prior to Normandy.
They gave every indication and they flooded the airwaves with false messaging that they were coming in the south.
They watched Putin take the bait, move all of his forces to the south, to the east of the Crimea, and then they pounced in the north.
They've recaptured all of the ground around Kharkiv.
We call it Kharkov.
We have, for the first time since the Italians in North Africa, Seeing entire armies abandon their equipment, strip off their uniforms, and take off.
Or even worse, that video of a private saying his tank was deployed without ammunition for the main gun.
Right.
With no ammunition.
No ammunition.
And we saw some of this when we began, when Yeltsin let us have access to certain parts of the Russian military, and we'd see packets, looked like medical packets, that have tablets.
If there's a nuclear attack, just take this pill, you're fine.
And it was sugar.
Many of the same things.
It's starting to crumble.
Now, don't get too excited, because in a thug state, in a gangster regime like Russia is, it's hard to kill the king.
But the Putin bloggers have completely turned on him, because now they're starting to have more empty seats at the dinner table across Russia.
Nobody's responding to the call for volunteers to save the motherland.
Just had another businessman mysteriously fall out of a window.
We know they've picked up three, perhaps four, of the Kremlin inner circle for plotting.
And this is the kind of thing you see when an authoritarian regime begins to collapse.
When you go to the North Koreans for munitions, you're in deep trouble.
You're in deep trouble.
Let's put this in perspective, since we've got a British theme.
1941, the British Western Task Force, Desert Task Force, 30,000 troops, under the command of Sir Richard O'Connor, confronting 400,000 Italians.
Within two weeks, they'd captured 200,000 Italians, who just quit.
You know, captured thousands of tanks, millions of rounds of ammunition, all the food they could have.
This looks like that.
People who are put into a situation they don't want to be in.
They're conscripts, they're poorly led, poorly fed.
He just fired the general on the northern front who'd only been in place for 16 days.
The defense minister has disappeared.
He's not a soldier.
He's not a soldier.
No, he's a bureaucrat, an operatic.
And the Ukrainians have taken the war to them, and now I think They are reaching for Crimea.
They have gone, they've got Marapool back and they're very close to cutting the Crimea off from Russia.
From Russia.
And if they do that, now people are worried about Putin and the nuclear weapon.
But we should be cognizant of that because Russian military doctrine says that we escalate in order to de-escalate.
If he does that, he knows that's the end of his regime.
And the notion, would you hear some of the talking heads and the nonsense bureaus of CNN and MSNBC that he would take his army and lash out against NATO.
Could you imagine this Russian army confronting the Finns?
The Finns who have more artillery than any nation in NATO?
And also have an argument to settle with the Russians for more than a century.
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I want to just, I'm not pushing back, as it were, but I have one historic reminder that I'd like you to comment on, Secretary Wilkie.
The Russians are famous for needing a strong man, for not wanting representative government, but from Peter the Great to Stalin to The current incumbent of the Kremlin.
And the other thing, when it comes to warfare, is they're famous for being a meat grinder.
Absolutely.
The individual means nothing, and the individual is treated like a cartridge round.
Is this not the biggest challenge for Ukraine that in terms of relative size, Just the war of attrition that the Russians will, because they don't have representative government, they'll just throw more and more conscripts, more and more old tanks.
Could this be like the frozen conflict of Transdnistria, which just eke on out for years or decades?
It could be, but there's some differences.
There's a difference between invading a sovereign friend, ties of blood.
Yes.
And defending oneself in the great patriotic war.
Mm-hmm.
The other side of that is that the United States and Britain kept Russia afloat, no matter how many men that they lost.
Trucks, ammunition, weapons.
Absolutely.
And that their foe was being ground down from the other side, from the western allies.
So there's some difference there.
I don't see how he reconstitutes his military.
While he's at war?
Right, while he's at war.
I'll give you just a silly anecdote, but if you watch From Stalin's time to the present, the victory celebrations, Red Square.
You always tell what they were thinking by what they paraded.
Yes.
They paraded one tank this last.
One tank?
They had nothing else.
They cannibalized everything.
They had one tank that had first made an appearance in 2014.
It was the same tank.
Everything else is being sent.
They've emptied their museums.
They're asking the North Koreans for old Soviet parts.
China has to make a calculation.
So this is my question.
So let's talk about China.
How does the lack of a definitive success in the last six and a half months factor into Beijing's calculus on Taiwan and everything else?
I think Xi has to take a middle road with Russia.
I think he'll continue buying their energy, but I can't see him right now coming to the military rescue of an incompetent and inept Kremlin.
I don't think he wants to throw all of his weapons into that meat grinder.
I think he has to take another look at Taiwan.
Because he wasn't counting on the Western resolve that greeted Putin.
And it's quite a different thing if they're British submarines and they're French submarines in the Pacific and the Australians are building a nuclear capability and the Indians are moving farther and farther out into the ocean.
Because they've seen what happens if you let a tyrant loose.
And they have to live with the Chinese in their backyard.
I'm talking about the Indians, the Australians, Singapore, Japan, Korea, Philippines.
But let's get back to the weakness of Mr. Biden.
These nations are having to look to each other because they can't trust this White House.
I'll give you an example.
You and I have talked about the Solomons rejecting the presence of an American Coast Guard cutter in exchange for Chinese money.
The same day that that's happening, our Secretary of State is putting out a memo to all of our embassies that we should not use inflammatory rhetoric when it comes to Chinese, words like malign influence, because that will make them mad.
The Chinese see that.
I think they're more worried about the coalescing of everyone from Korea to India than they are about the United States right now.
Well, and I would say they're the most worried at a second Trump administration.
Absolutely.
Because if they put their money on a second Biden administration, why would you not invade Taiwan?
Right.
Or make it untenable, and then they... Right.
Give up.
And we see this administration giving the Taiwanese incredible headaches when it comes to munitions that we've already promised them.
We keep trying to sell them things that they don't want, instead of turning the place into a hedgehog, fill the oceans with mines, anti-aircraft, anti-ship missiles.
It's still quite a feat to come across 110 miles of ocean.
This is not Portsmouth to Normandy.
This is a much bigger bite than D-Day was, at least in terms of logistics, territory, what have you.
And we can help make Taiwan just prohibitively expensive for them.
Because the other side of this for them is, for the mainland Chinese, They really at their heart just they want the chip industry on Taiwan.
Yes, if they flatten the country Then they don't have the stranglehold over the global economy.
No But that's a rational actor, you know, are they still thinking in those two I think so I I think they see what irrationality has brought to Jiang Yang, what it's brought to the Kremlin, what it's about to bring to the theocratic fanatics in Tehran, because the Israelis aren't going to let this play out, no matter what Biden says.
And it's not just the Israelis.
The great Charles Krauthammer had a wonderful line describing what's going to happen in the Saudi desert should the Israelis decide to move.
There's going to be a massive five-mile-long neon arrow pointing Tehran this way in the middle of the Saudi desert.
And it's going to be illuminated at night as well.
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Secretary Wilkie, you have a storied career, not just as a political appointee and rising to the cabinet level as well, but you serve two of our armed services with distinction, and inside the Pentagon, you rose to be, I think, one of the toughest jobs out there to make sure that all of our armed services are ready to fight.
You're responsible for readiness.
We talk about the wokeness of recruiting here in the last year and a half.
What do our enemies think of our readiness now?
I can tell you that when we went through periods of weakness under Obama and Clinton, our enemies became bolder.
The chuckles coming out of the Troika in Beijing, Tehran, Moscow, as the American military rips itself apart, Give you an example.
We had a Secretary of the Navy deliver a State of the Navy address two weeks ago.
It was all social policy.
There was not one mention of deter, fight, win.
Or enemies.
Or enemies.
If you remember the Obama National Security Strategy, which you helped rewrite, there was not one mention of Islamic terror.
Refuse to mention it.
It shall not be named.
Don't want to hurt anybody's feelings.
Victor Davis Hanson had a piece about the woke religion this weekend when he said that the Pentagon's recruiting films now look like presentations worthy of a woke kindergarten.
Our naval, our seamen are being subjected to three to four hours of mandatory training on the proper use of pronouns.
We have the lowest recruiting numbers since Richard Nixon and the blessed Creighton Abrams created the all-volunteer force 49 years ago.
And the nonsense that they're spouting that the economy is strong, that's not true.
The economy was roaring In the Reagan years, and recruiting went through the roof.
We have guidance now from the Defense Department that the military who are in dire straits should apply for food stamps.
Yes.
Members of the military.
That's what we've come to.
And they're proud to talk that way.
Just to give you another example, in the Veterans Affairs Department, within a week or two, the Secretary will rip down The words that created first the Veterans Bureau, then the Veterans Administration, and then the Department of Veterans Affairs.
Lincoln's second inaugural address, which I use the Protestant vernacular, the most biblically righteous address ever given by an American president, to care for him who shall have borne the battle And for his widow and orphan to bind up the nation's wound, to establish for us and our posterity a just and lasting peace for ourselves and amongst all nations.
That's going to come down because it's not inclusive.
And if you think that that's an anomaly, Lincoln's come down in the Boston Common You go to James Madison's home right down the road here in Montpelier and there's no mention of the Constitution.
You would think that Thomas Jefferson was the greatest tyrant in American history if you go to his home today.
Why do I say all that?
Because it's all part of a spectrum that begins early on where our children are told That we have a country that's not really worthy of praise.
That we've been oppressors.
We've stolen things from other people.
And if you look at the parts of the country that provide the majority of troops, Trump states.
The reddest of the red states.
All of them with a martial tradition going back to Cavalier, Virginia.
That's been part of the DNA.
These are the people who are saying, we are not going to send our young people, our children, to a military run by Joe Biden.
Given everything we know that's happened to the U.S.
actual preference instead of recognizing the military for what it is.
It's the great leveler.
It doesn't matter.
As long as you perform, you're accepted.
And that really is what's at the root of this.
Given everything we know that's happened to the US military under Obama and now under Biden, I have to ask as the person who was responsible for readiness at the highest level of the Pentagon, explain how it is recoverable.
Explain how it was done after the 1970s, after Vietnam.
It is drastic now, but it can be fixed, can it not?
It can be done, and you're absolutely right.
As a child, as a young teenager, I remember my father having to arm himself to go into the barracks at Fort Bragg.
Because they were overrun by biker gangs, drug gangs, Nation of Islam, Black Panther Party.
You're talking about inside the base.
Inside the base.
Yes.
And these were elite troops.
This is not, these aren't conscripts.
This is the 82nd Airborne Division.
And the Special Forces.
And it took a Ronald Reagan.
It said, it took Ronald Reagan to say, we are proud of our country.
We want you to serve.
We will do everything we can to fund you.
And when I say that, also remember my father and his senior colleagues with maps of Fort Bragg laid out on the dinner tables on Friday or Saturday night where they would plot how to go into the Special Forces area and siphon off gas from Special Forces vehicles because the 82nd couldn't even get artillery tubes from the motor pools To the range.
Stealing from Peter to pay Paul.
Yeah.
It was that bad.
And we fixed it.
And we fixed it.
The cavalry came.
A second Trump administration, I believe, I know would have the same effect.
America is proud.
Without America, the world collapses.
The liberal order.
They used to be proud of saying, Woodrow Wilson's liberal order.
Liberal world order.
Now they don't even like Woodrow Wilson.
That without America, there's nothing.
Liz Truss knows that.
Her Majesty, the Queen, knew that.
The free nations of the world that have limited capabilities, especially in the Asia-Pacific, they all... What did Winston Churchill tell de Gaulle?
If I have a choice between you, meaning Europe, and the Atlantic, I will always choose the Atlantic.
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We've gone from Winnie back to Winnie.
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