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Aug. 19, 2022 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Why it has to be Trump

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	Welcome, dear friends.
	Fridays are supposed to be fun here on America First, but sometimes things intercede.
	That man is worshipped by the so-called elite, the left.
	His name is Sam Harris.
	He is a philosopher.
	He is sometimes, I don't know whether it's jokingly or sincerely, referred to as one of the four horsemen of the new atheist movement, along with Richard Dawkins.
	He was interviewed by two friends of mine, individuals who are on this show.
	Not too long ago, for their visit to the United States, hosts of an American podcast, of a British podcast, an amazing podcast called Trigonometry with two Gs, Francis Foster and Constantine Kissin.
	Two men who are not of the right, although I think that might be changing, especially after their recent visit to America and a dinner party we had at the Gorka residence, if you will, with a few of my good friends.
	And they did something quite stunning this week.
	They released that interview, an hour and a half long interview, with this doyen, this sweetheart of the left.
	And they managed to get him to say things that... I'm not sure he was fully ready for the repercussions, and he's been paying for it on Twitter for the last two days.
	Because, as the saying goes, he said the quiet part out loud.
	Sam Harris, who is supposed to be a pillar of the left, of the liberal establishment, he said lying to win an election was fine.
	If you watch the whole podcast, he even uses phrases like the tens of millions of morons who voted for the political outsider who is Donald Trump.
	He made fun of those who have faith.
	I mean, he's made his millions by attacking all religions.
	Well, not really.
	I mean, Christianity and Islam.
	I don't see lots of attacks from him on other religions.
	This man has given you a glimpse behind the curtain.
	He was asked about the censorship of the Hunter Biden laptop.
	And he said, absolutely.
	Anything.
	A conspiracy by the New York Times, by Twitter, by the people running social media to keep that story out of the bloodstream, to make sure people didn't know about it.
	He's fine with that conspiracy.
	He used the word conspiracy and he called it warranted.
	With what authority did he say that?
	Who elected him to represent that view for the American people?
	No one.
	He's a talking head.
	As far as I know he hasn't run for county dog catcher.
	He has no right to say he represents anyone except his twisted self.
	Why would he say that?
	Well later on in the interview he explains that in comparison to other candidates Biden Hillary, or he says at one point, anyone, Donald Trump, must be stopped because anyone would be better.
	Here, in his own words, is Sam Harris.
	And Hillary Clinton, for all of her flaws, was not worse than Trump.
	Joe Biden, we could have known Joe Biden was going to just be comatose in office, not worse than Trump.
	Kamala Harris, not worse.
	And again, it's not just a marginal call, it's just these are people who are Normal politicians who are so much more constrained by predictable machinery, right?
	There's like, there's such less of an opportunity there to destroy institutions that we have to rely on, right?
	With any of those people in charge, including a random person in charge.
	Let's pass that, because he's not off the cuff talking to some random person in a bar.
	He's asked a question.
	Justify keeping a story out of the news about the family that has a son in vagold in Chinese business, Ukrainian business, prostitution, drug-taking, whose father is running for office.
	Suppress that.
	Suppress that.
	That's fine, because we have to stop The choice of the American people getting re-elected.
	The man who was, well, voted on, 64 million people, and in the second time got more votes than any other incumbent president in US history, 74 million.
	Gotta stop him getting re-elected.
	Why?
	Because we need normal, quote, normal people like Hillary Clinton.
	Or Joe Biden.
	That will be constrained by the system, by the institutions that must not be destroyed.
	Did you hear him?
	Normal people who are constrained by the institutions that mustn't be taken apart.
	They're the normal ones.
	Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden.
	Two of the corrupt political, most corrupt political dynasties in America.
	Individuals who are known, known for their corruption.
	The Clinton Foundation.
	Look at the deals the Clinton Foundation did in Haiti after the earthquake.
	Look at the Uranium One deal.
	You know the one scandal, the one scandal in 90 minutes that Sam Harris brings up?
	Trump University.
	Trump University, he says, is worse than anything, anything the Bidens could have done.
	Anything.
	He uses the phrase, I don't care if there are dead children in Hunter Biden's basement.
	Trump University.
	Trump University?
	And the institutions must be protected?
	Why, Sam Harris?
	Well, I know why.
	Because they're the institutions that made the left almost a monopoly power.
	That's why, because they keep you, your friends and the Democrats in power.
	And that's exactly why we voted for Donald Trump.
	I am grateful.
	It's like the interview I did with David Rubin a few years ago.
	I told David afterwards, I've said things on camera for you I've never said before in an interview.
	You have a capacity to get things out of the subject you're interviewing.
	Well, that's what Constantine and Francis did on that interview.
	And I think it's changed politics in America.
	No, that's not an overstatement.
	Because we have a leading light of the left admit that they are fascists.
	That their little coterie of elitists, of intellectuals, they get to decide what a threat to America is.
	They get to stand in the way of 74 million Americans.
	Thank you, Sam Harris.
	Thank you for showing us What you're really about.
	Why we need Donald Trump back in the White House.
	And why you and the left are the greatest threat to representative democracy in our republic that we have seen in a very, very long time.
	Subscribe to Trigonometry.
	They're the good guys.
	They're fighting the woke agenda.
	And you should see the expression on their faces when Harris was saying what he was saying.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First.
	We have an amazing, amazing lineup of guests for you and some special venues from whence we will be broadcasting today.
	Make sure you never miss any of our one-on-ones, especially today's with Carl Benjamin.
	Amazing!
	Go to Spotify, plug in my name, Sebastian Gorka, America First, give us a five-star review, makes a difference with the dastardly algorithms, tell your friends, and share the links, because we've got to stop people like Sam Harris.
	This is America First.
	America First.
	So Seb can talk.
	All right, mics are back.
	Skype guy.
	All right, mics are on.
	You can turn the radio feed down to us, Alex, so you're not feeding us audio anymore.
	Okay.
	I made it in the building.
	You can turn the audio back on.
	Robuchor is going to be Skype, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Oh, that's this segment.
	Yeah.
	So, yes.
	All right.
	Oh, by the way, I need a title for the monologue and also for VDH.
	Yeah.
	Can you first make sure, because with Robuchor I'm going to want the Ned Price Afghanistan cut.
	Yeah.
	Give me a second here.
	Let me find it again.
	We've used that cut a lot this week.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I have it.
	Good.
	Alright.
	For the monologue... Sam Harris.
	Thank you, Sam Harris, exclamation mark.
	Uh-huh.
	Okay.
	And for VDH...
	And then for VDH...
	Sam Harris is a buffoon.
	Sam Harris is a buffoon.
	He said that, right?
	Uh, I think so.
	VDH said that.
	He said something like that, or a joke, or something.
	No, I said it was a joke.
	He called him a buffoon.
	Yeah.
	Okay, good.
	Alright.
	Are we dialing him, Jeff?
	Yeah, he's not answering.
	Let me text him.
	Okay.
	Alrighty.
	People in the rumble chat commenting, where is Seb?
	That's not the usual setup.
	It's a secret.
	Tell him I'll tell him when I come back online.
	Suggestion, they said Mar-a-Lago, Australia, the company... Mar-a-Lago's a little more gold than that.
	Why would you be in Australia?
	I'm just reading what the chat's saying, man.
	More guesses.
	I want more guesses.
	Not Mar-a-Lago, not Australia.
	Where else am I?
	The company break room.
	Looks like a Holiday Inn Express.
	Do we even have a company break room?
	No, we don't.
	You caved, you're talking to J6 committee.
	With your logo behind you.
	What is this break you speak of?
	How dare you?
	You can break when you're dead.
	Alright.
	I think it'd be a good idea if David let you have your logo behind you like that and testify.
	Yeah, free advertisement.
	I will testify before your committee as long as you have a big America First big ass flag behind me, that's fine.
	Hey, Skype 2, bring up the audio.
	Yeah, we have him on.
	One minute left.
	You can let him know the mic's live.
	Can we switch?
	Can we switch?
	Hang up and call back.
	Alex?
	Yes, sir?
	Can you come in with the new audio for Food for the Poor?
	Copy.
	Coming in with Food for the Poor audio.
	And then I'm going to use the Ned Price with Chad as soon as I've introduced him.
	You got it.
	There we go.
	Hey, buddy.
	How you doing?
	You're good.
	It's been a while.
	Yeah, it has.
	How are you?
	Did you steal a chair from Air Force One?
	What is that chair?
	This is a Texas legislative chair.
	Oh, OK.
	All right.
	All right.
	It's a gift.
	A little bit worried there.
	A little bit worried.
	Stand by. Stand by.
	Stand by. Stand by. Stand by. Stand by.
	And it was sub-zero.
	They were freezing.
	And then they even had to, once they got across the border, walk another kilometer or so with their 10 kids.
	They had abandoned everything on the side of the roads.
	They literally crossed into the country with nothing except the clothes that they were wearing.
	They left everything behind.
	That incredible news report is about one Ukrainian family with 10 children who have escaped the war zone.
	It's happening right now.
	That isn't ancient history, dear friends.
	It's happening right now, just a few hours from the east coast of the United States.
	Whatever you think about the war, humans are suffering, children are suffering.
	Please help.
	Thank you to all of you who've donated to our Food for the Poor campaign, which is bringing Very much needed refugee supplies to the children who are suffering and have been displaced and bombed out of their homes.
	Already 11 million meals have been distributed by the local missions, the local churches.
	Make a difference.
	Call today 855-330-HOPE.
	Make a tax-deductible donation in any amount, any amount, but $100 is 400 meals.
	Yes, they have the food.
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	They just have to get it into the war zone.
	Make a difference today.
	Save a life, please.
	Easiest way is to go to my website, sebgorka.com, and click on the Help Ukraine banner at the top.
	That's S-E-B-G-O-R-K-A, sebgorka.com, and the Help Ukraine banner at the very top.
	Or you can call 855-330-4673.
	Alright, I will tell you where I am momentarily.
	I like all the guests on Rumble.
	Keep guessing where I am.
	It's not Mar-a-Lago.
	Mar-a-Lago's a little bit more gold leaf than here.
	I'm not in Australia.
	Somebody thought I was in Australia.
	We'll get to that momentarily.
	But first, I have to ask Mr. G. Mr. G, are you there?
	I am.
	The Sam Harris interview.
	Your reaction?
	I think it's great.
	I mean, he literally just let everything out of the bag.
	I couldn't believe it.
	He did, and I just want to spread, I asked you for like a million cuts from the interview before we get to our first guest of the day.
	This is what he thinks of the American people who elected President Trump once and then 74 million who voted for him again.
	Cut five, Sam Harris, darling of the left.
	Like Trump, every time Trump singles out a specific citizen and says, look at this jackass who's trying to, you know, whatever the claim would be, that is a human sacrifice.
	We know that person's life is just never the same again because he's turned tens of millions of morons on that person.
	Tens of millions of morons.
	That's what the elite thinks of you and that's why we are here to push back on them because we don't need them.
	Nobody elected you, Sam Harris.
	Let's start the work of the day.
	It is a sad, sad week in American history.
	The first anniversary of what happened in Afghanistan.
	A strategic catastrophe the likes of which we haven't seen in decades and decades.
	One man who had to deal with the aftermath He's a good friend of the show.
	He served the nation in uniform.
	Now he's doing it with the Mighty Oaks Foundation.
	Shad Robichaux, welcome back to America First.
	Thanks for having me back on.
	I just wanted to say, I just seen the food for Ukraine.
	I just got back.
	I was in eastern Ukraine as of four days ago.
	Thank you guys for what you're doing there and for the audience for helping.
	God bless.
	We can talk about what you see, what you saw in Ukraine in a second, but first, Got to get your reaction given what you did for the thousands who were trapped in Afghanistan after that cowardly surrender by Biden.
	Here is the State Department's reaction to the anniversary of our running out of town.
	Play cut.
	Let me start with this.
	Many of us here at the Department and across the government, and millions of Americans and Afghans alike, are mindful of today's meaning as the 20-year-long U.S.
	military mission in Afghanistan ended nearly one year ago.
	Ending the longest war in American history was never going to be easy.
	But one year later, we are in a stronger position as a country because of the President's decision.
	He's proud of that decision and we're stronger.
	Shad, are we stronger?
	What are your friends in Afghanistan and your former warfighter buddies telling you?
	Well, I can tell you from people around the world, including people here in this country, we know we're not stronger.
	We're not only weaker, but we're in a much more dangerous place.
	The world is a much more dangerous place because of that disastrous decision that the president made one year ago that cost thousands of lives and put the world in a dangerous place.
	I mean, we have al-Zahiri walking around Kabul, which they're celebrating the killing him.
	And I'm glad they killed him.
	But look, you can't light a house on fire and then throw a cup of water on it and say you did something.
	They created a scenario where the terrorists have a safe haven in Kabul, Afghanistan, in Afghanistan because of that decision.
	So will you give a little bit of a picture of what you had to do, what you volunteered to do, and what you've achieved since the greatest fighting force in America just left Bagram and left Afghanistan?
	What have you been doing for the last year?
	Yeah, well, when the president first announced he was going to withdraw, and then when I seen him in February of You know, a month after you took office, signed that Doha agreement.
	Uh, I knew that, you know, the people there were in danger, people that I served with on eight deployments, uh, in a special operations task force to be there and fight the Taliban.
	And, uh, one particular friend of mine, uh, Aziz, who did eight deployments with me, uh, and, and did over 15 years in special operations, his life was in danger because of the service to us.
	He had been in the SIV process, which is the immigrant visa process for interpreters for six years.
	Which is only supposed to take nine months, contractually.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	Slow down, Chad.
	So somebody who was your terp, who helped you fight the bad guys, was supposed to be given six months of processing to come to the United States, and how long did it take?
	It was six years.
	It was supposed to take nine months contractually, as part of the SIV agreement that we contractually have our interpreters sign.
	And it had been six years for this guy who served, I mean, this is a guy who had been polygraphed, vetted, had access to top secret information in six years.
	And this is a guy who personally saved my life three occasions, probably saved my life every day in all eight of my deployments, saved the lives of countless Americans.
	I could not leave my friend and his wife and six children to be killed because of what he did for me.
	So we made a decision to go and get him.
	How many people did you help after we just ran out of the country, Chad?
	Yeah, we totally put together a team of about 12 people at Save Our Allies, Mighty Oaks Foundation, Independence Fund.
	So you're not a government agency, right?
	We got Aziz, his wife and six kids, and we ended up getting a total of 17,000 people, 12,000 at the airport, 5,000 outside of the airport, and then myself and another team member went into Tajikistan and built routes out.
	We went, two of us went into-- - So you're not a government agency, right?
	I mean, you're just a guy with some buddies, former war fighters, a foundation, and you got out 17,000? - We were just a group of veterans that knew we had to do the right thing.
	When the governments of the world wouldn't do the right thing, we knew we had to.
	All right.
	Well, we're going to talk about the story of saving Aziz, what the DOD is doing to you, and the incredible work.
	It's the Mighty Oaks Foundation Saving Our Allies.
	Chad Robichaud.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First.
	I'll tell you momentarily where we're broadcasting from.
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	America First Good, good, good.
	And what's the extent of the exhibit for him?
	Good, good, good, good.
	And what's the extent of the exhibit for him?
	Well, Jeff is in control of the entire museum.
	No, no, but for me, there's a special exhibit for him?
	Okay.
	Great.
	Good.
	I boned up a little on him, but you're gonna have to do the heavy lifting as to who he is.
	Did you get the questions?
	No, I got, when was that sent?
	I got a copy.
	That would be great.
	Okay.
	Three minutes.
	All right, what are the other guesses, Eric?
	The Ukrainian embassy, campaign headquarters somewhere.
	Ooh, that's good.
	I like that.
	Trump Hotel, Washington.
	Unfortunately, you can cut back now, Guy.
	Unfortunately, it's not Trump Hotel.
	There is no such thing as Trump Hotel anymore.
	I've got one guess.
	Are you auditioning for reliable sources?
	Ooh!
	Jeff, they can't afford me.
	Mr. Robichaud is still here, by the way, Seb.
	I know!
	He's doing another segment.
	So, what should I know about the book?
	Are DoD still stalling you?
	Is it coming out?
	What's the plan?
	I just got it yesterday.
	Five months into it, just got it yesterday.
	It did push our deadline back, so we're missing midterms, which I wanted to release before midterms.
	And are they redacting stuff?
	Oh yeah, 98 of the 236 pages have redactions.
	98?
	Of the 236 pages have redactions.
	Are you the guy with the nuclear launch codes?
	Is it you?
	Did the DJT give them to you?
	Did you put them in your book?
	You know, if I had the nuclear, it's going to be in black because I'm not editing, I'm leaving the black lines.
	So that people will see the black lines that are there.
	Insanity.
	All right, buddy.
	Seven minutes.
	We'll talk about the book.
	And then what URL should we put at the bottom of the screen?
	Mighty Oaks or Save Our Allies?
	I'd say MightyOaksPrograms.org.
	MightyOaksPrograms.org.
	Got that, Eric?
	MightyOaksPrograms.org.
	Programs or program singular?
	Programs plural.
	Plural.
	OK, thank you.
	Let me go ahead and get the copy.
	Oaks plural and programs plural.
	Okay, and the latest book, Saving Aziz.
	Saving Aziz, yep.
	And there's a URL for the book, SavingAziz.org.
	Alright, MightyOaksPrograms.org.
	And then SavingAziz.org.
	You can show the expressions here real quick, guy.
	Yeah, we have the cover of the book.
	Good, alright.
	Very nice.
	Alright, back to them.
	One minute going.
	Can you play me Cut 7?
	Cut 7.
	Go ahead, guy.
	Alex Jones is, for me, a different case, but I hear what you're saying.
	Yeah, but I think Trump, I mean, Trump is just... I hear what you're saying.
	In your mind, they're similar.
	He got the reputation-washing of having successfully become president.
	You know, he's Alex Jones.
	I know, can you come in with that?
	Coming in with Cut7.
	Jeff?
	Yes?
	Can you send that to Newsmax as well?
	Yeah, Cut7?
	Yeah.
	Mic's off.
	Coming in with cuts.
	Coming in with cuts.
	Coming in with cuts.
	Alex Jones is, for me, a different case, but I hear what you're saying.
	Trump is just... I hear what you say.
	In your mind, they're similar.
	He's got the reputation washing of having successfully become president.
	He's Alex Jones.
	The reputation... Did you hear that phrase from Sam Harris?
	President Trump is Alex Jones, but he has the reputation washing of successfully becoming president.
	I wonder if Sam Harris knows how you become president of America.
	You have to be elected, unlike Sam Harris.
	Reputation washing?
	You mean 64 million people once and then 74 million people again?
	The biggest number for any incumbent president in history?
	That's what the left thinks of you, you unwashed masses.
	How dare you wash the reputation of the person you want to be the Commander-in-Chief.
	We, we should get to pick who your president is.
	Don't you know who we are?
	That's Sam Harris.
	All right, back to our very special guest, Chad Robichaud of the Mighty Oaks Foundation.
	You have, what, eight combat tours in theatre?
	Now you're helping the people who helped us fight the war on terror.
	17,000 people you got out of theatre.
	God bless you.
	Not like the US government with people climbing on the outside of planes and then dropping off them at 4,000 feet.
	You've written the story.
	It's Saving Aziz, your interpreter, who helped you save your life three times.
	Savingaziz.org.
	Tell us about your attempt to publish this book, Chad.
	Well, I mean, I wanted the American people to know what happened during the evacuations.
	Not only the mistakes that were made, but the intentional decisions that cost the lives of Americans, 13 of our service members.
	We don't know how many Americans were left behind there.
	We know that 74,000 of our interpreters are still there.
	And with their family members, 30,000 are still eligible to come here, moving only 200 per week, which takes 140 years to get that done.
	So I wanted the American people to know the truth.
	Before the midterms came, we had an October 4th date set to publish the book.
	It sat at DoD review for five months.
	We just got the review back yesterday.
	Pretty heavily redacted, by the way.
	But we had to move our date to release with Thomas Nelson, Harper Collins.
	So I'm curious, you know about sources and methods.
	Why are they redacting 94 pages of your book?
	Are you expecting an FBI raid on your personal residence as well?
	Is this just trying to slow roll the embarrassment to the Biden administration?
	What's behind it, Chad?
	It's certainly, as you know, my book, Saving Aziz, with the truth that's in it about what happened, it's certainly meant to slow roll and stop me from releasing it before the midterms, which they successfully have done.
	The investigation report that's coming out, they're attempting to stop the American people from seeing that, and they probably will be successful before the midterms, so people can't see the truth of what happened in Afghanistan.
	Alright, well let's tell 3 million people right now across the nation from California to Washington D.C.
	What is the message in the book that you want to get out before the midterms?
	Give us a couple of examples.
	Well, I'll give you the boldest point, and it is we didn't have to leave Afghanistan.
	And we've been told live from the media for many years that we were in Afghanistan, we were in this war, and we had to get out.
	And there was this urgency rush to get out.
	The truth is, at one point we had 2,500 troops there.
	At the time we did the withdrawal, we had 4,000 troops there.
	And we were controlling Bagram Air Force Base, which is a strategic location, the most strategic location on the globe between Iraq, Iran, Russia, and China.
	That we was not ours to give away, especially to a terrorist organization.
	It was the international community's hub to defeat terrorism, keep it in Afghanistan.
	And the president was told that by his advisors.
	The president was told that by the intelligence committees when he chose to sell Afghanistan to whoever he did without us knowing where it went to, because it certainly wasn't the Taliban.
	We just know that the Chinese have Bagram Air Force Base now.
	They had mineral rights to the Hindu Kush mountains.
	And all of our world's enemies has access to billions of dollars in our weapons and technology.
	And we don't know why this happened.
	There's no explanation for it.
	We just know that Americans' lives were lost and our Afghan interpreters were left behind.
	And, you know, the truth behind it needs to be told to the American people, and that's why I put it in Saving Aziz.
	We need to get you back to discuss those strategic issues at much more length.
	We've only got 60 seconds left, Chad.
	Chad Robichaud of the Mighty Oaks Foundation, SavingAziz.org.
	What is your message to those who are still trapped in Afghanistan, who've been left behind by this government?
	Just very briefly.
	You know, I want the people that are trapped behind to know that you're not forgotten and that we do appreciate what you've done for us and that we will fight, those of us in the veteran community, we'll continue to fight every day to make sure that you're not forgotten and that the world still knows you're there.
	Well, that's the reason we have the flag up at our website.
	It was a caller who suggested it, who helped design it for us.
	We will not forget.
	You can get it right now.
	SebGorkaStore.com.
	That's S-E-B-G-O-R-K-A-Store.com.
	It says, Americans Abandoned.
	You are not forgotten.
	13 stars for the 13 Marines.
	One Navy corpsman and one U.S.
	Army sergeant who was murdered when we left Kabul airport because of Joe Biden's treachery.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	That email or that website is sebgorkastore.com.
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	He's still on the line.
	Thank you, buddy.
	Let's get you back on for a longer discussion of the book.
	So what's the plan now?
	When do you think it's going to come out?
	January 17th.
	They didn't want to run into Christmas, so they just pushed it back to January 17th.
	Got it.
	Got it.
	And we have a movie deal.
	They already have a $26 million budget to make it into a film, so we'll get the word out.
	Nice.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	God bless.
	God bless.
	Thanks, Sebastian.
	Bye-bye.
	Do you want the phones open for e-block?
	Yes.
	Alright, phone's open and we have Boris in the segment.
	He's on.
	Two minutes.
	title for that one.
	Why Biden's DOD is censoring my book.
	D-O-D.
	Censoring my book.
	Alrighty.
	Some more suggestions.
	Oh, let's see.
	Somebody said, um... Oh, where was it?
	Trump Force One.
	President Trump's... Oh, that's good.
	That's a good guess.
	I like that.
	Trump Force One.
	That is a good one.
	Not quite, folks.
	Not quite.
	Someone said the Obama Presidential Library, which hasn't been built yet.
	But they haven't built it yet!
	Exactly, because they keep spending money on it.
	Alright.
	Alex, bring him up.
	Alright, minute 15.
	Mike's alive, he's on the phone.
	Is that my war room, buddy?
	I'm right here.
	How we doing?
	Good, how are you sir?
	Running around a little bit today, so doing the phone.
	Okay, no worries.
	Alright, I'm going to get your take on the Sam Harris interview, then we're going to talk about Mar-a-Lago, okay?
	Okay, sounds good.
	Which cut do you want to use for this one?
	Blade cuts 2, 3, and 7.
	Sorry, 1, 2, and 7, so far.
	There's just so much.
	Another one of the Alex Jones ones?
	No, 8.
	I'm gonna tee up 8.
	Heal tee-up cut eight.
	See you.
	Hi, this is President Trump, and Sebastian is really a friend of mine.
	He's a great guy.
	He's been with me from the beginning.
	Listen to him.
	We all learn.
	All right, guys.
	I love the guesses as to where I'm broadcasting from.
	We will announce it imminently.
	It isn't the Obama Presidential Library, and it's not Trump Force One, but that's the best guess so far.
	Call us with your reaction to the cuts from the Sam Harris interview or any news of the day.
	The number is 833.
	33 Gorka.
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	How strange.
	All right, let's get back to business.
	My former White House buddy, former special assistant to President Trump, strategic advisor to the Trump 2020 campaign.
	We just know him as the baron.
	Welcome back, Boris Epstein.
	Thanks so much.
	It's so great to be here with you, my friend.
	And it's an honor to be back with the one and only Seb Gorkow.
	Although now and again we cross paths on the war room for Steve Bannon.
	You're like a regular there.
	Now I'm going to be there once a week.
	I have to praise you.
	You are like indefatigable when it comes to the war room.
	Don't ask me to spell that, but you are definitely indefatigable.
	We're losing you a bit.
	I don't know if you're mobile.
	We're very lucky.
	America first audience.
	All right, we're losing you a bit.
	I don't know if you're mobile.
	It's hard to- I said it's vital to talk to the America first audience and the war room posse all day, every day, my man.
	We're very lucky.
	All right.
	Do you know who Sam Harris is, Baron?
	Well, I probably shouldn't, but unfortunately I do.
	We're having fun at Sam Harris's expense because he gave us a little peek behind the curtain of who the left are.
	And here is just a delightful interpretation of who his heroes are.
	This is Sam Harris with my buddies on Trigonometry.
	Cut eight.
	Play cut.
	I think it was totally appropriate to view Trump in a to be existing in a in a domain that was orthogonal to partisan politics i my criticism of trump is totally non-partisan right there is absent there's literally nothing i say about trump that i could say about any other republican right and i think liz cheney is a total hero i don't ask me to spell orthogonal either
	but he's totally uh unpartisan but liz cheney is his hero boris i mean it's the most pathetic typical swampy perspective Oh yeah, Liz Cheney who lost by 40 and was completely rebuked by the people of Wyoming, completely disrespected by really the whole American populace.
	The electorate.
	They have absolutely no time for Liz Cheney.
	They have no time for Sam Harris.
	They have no time for any RINOs.
	And what they do have time for is for reality.
	And reality is that President Trump continues to be the leader, the undisputed leader of the Republican Party, of the MAGA movement, and of America.
	What was it, that phrase?
	The former Trotskyites who became neoconservatives said that they were mugged by reality.
	Well, I think the left and Sam Harris are going to be mugged by reality come November and come 2024.
	I've got to get you to give your tuppence on Mar-a-Lago.
	You've been giving your sage legal analysis as a very fancy, fancy graduate of the Georgetown Law School.
	This is a joke.
	I mean, now we're not allowed to see the reason.
	First it was presidential records, then it was nuclear secrets, then it was the Espionage Act, and they're still trying to hide it.
	What is the game plan here?
	Are we not allowed to know why the FBI busted into Mar-a-Lago, Boris?
	Well, Sebastian, it's the same old game from the FBI, DOJ.
	It's the weaponization of law enforcement.
	It's exactly what it is.
	They are targeting President Trump because he's the most powerful political figure in America.
	He continues to be in full compliance with all applicable laws, rules, and regulations.
	There's absolutely no reason for this raid and this break-in.
	And the president has already stated that he's for full transparency, but the DOJ for some reason is hiding the affidavit.
	And now let's remember, the affidavit is the same document on which the DOJ either withheld or lied in terms of FISA, Carter Page, Michael Flynn, so on and so forth.
	All right.
	So he's – I haven't mentioned this before, but I've got to punch them between the face with their narrative that has to be deconstructed.
	We're supposed to believe, first they said the White House knew nothing of this.
	I remember a time when a DOJ memorandum was declassified of the then Attorney General acting.
	In the White House, in the Oval Office, with Obama and with Vice President Biden, and Biden, Biden telling the DOJ to use the, what was the Act Against Foreign Policy Intervention?
	You know the one.
	The Hatch Act.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	The Logan Act.
	The Logan Act.
	We have the minutes of that meeting where Biden told the DOJ to use the Logan Act against Mike Flynn.
	And now we're supposed to think that the White House knew nothing about this.
	It just doesn't pass the sniff test, does it, Boris?
	No, of course not.
	It doesn't pass any sniff test.
	This was obviously coordinated and the White House supposedly didn't know.
	I don't buy that one bit.
	Here's the bottom line.
	The bottom line is that there was no need for it.
	It was unnecessary, unwarranted, un-American.
	And now you've got the New York Times and Judicial Watch together fighting to unseal the affidavit.
	So it's a completely surreal situation now where you've got the whole country coming together and coalescing, let's be honest, behind President Trump.
	They're all backing President Trump because they know that this raid was un-American and not something that we can see in this country, not something that we can stand in our democracy.
	Well, I'm going to be covering the whole story tonight.
	You've got to watch me, The Greg Kelly Show, the number one show on Newsmax 10 p.m.
	I'll be hosting for Greg today.
	We will have the president's attorney on the show.
	Don't miss it, Newsmax 10 p.m.
	Eastern.
	In the meantime, follow this man, Borisep.com.
	Boris Epstein, former strategic advisor to the Trump 2020 campaign.
	My colleague in the White House, a special advisor to President Trump.
	God bless you, Boris.
	Have a wonderful, wonderful weekend.
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	It's not on the line anymore.
	You can cut right now, guy.
	Mic's on.
	Um... Can you... Can you... I'll keep talking.
	Can you just dial it down a bit?
	Uh, okay.
	Testing, testing.
	No, no, not you.
	Not you.
	Here.
	Keep going.
	Uh, that's good.
	That's good.
	Great.
	Thank you.
	Alright.
	More guesses!
	Someone said... Seb's in his basement.
	If Brandon can do it, so can he.
	Um, you'll like this one.
	He's broadcasting from inside the TARDIS.
	Oh, that could be.
	I might have to confirm that.
	I may have to confirm that.
	The Weeping Angels are right outside the door.
	Don't blink.
	Don't blink.
	Alright.
	80 seconds.
	Title for Boris?
	Sam Harris has revealed the left.
	When are you going to reveal where you are?
	Second hour?
	I think top of the hour, when we get our first in-local guest.
	Oh, okay.
	Makes sense, makes sense.
	Oh, can I... Can I hear 11 and 12?
	Take 11 real quick.
	People keep saying a civil war is coming.
	I would say a civil war is here.
	And I don't mean to be hyperbolic.
	We can look at what has happened just in the past week alone, since all this has happened.
	We've had two people try to declare war with FBI field offices.
	Not two people!
	Two whole people.
	You know, I should have every single Republican co-sponsor, but unfortunately I don't yet.
	I only have five co-sponsors.
	I'm talking to all of my colleagues.
	Oh, Nancy's got a very good guess for where I am.
	The best so far on RumbleChat is inside the TARDIS.
	It could be maybe I'm the new Doctor, maybe I can save Doctor Who.
	If you can connect with that person, Eric, who said the TARDIS, give them one of our new FBI, is the Gestapo mugs, reach out to them, get their address, because that's a pretty good bloody guess.
	It's being released, I think, today.
	It is Uncle Tom 2.
	It is the sequel to Larry Elder's amazing film.
	It gives you all the details on what they've done to the black community in America, the hidden agenda of the NAACP and the truth about Black Lives Matter.
	Go right now to salemnow.com.
	The first movie was a blockbuster.
	This one is going to be even better.
	It's Uncle Tom 2.
	Right now, you can get it, you can order it, stream it, get the DVD at SalemNow.com.
	That's SalemNow.com.
	The likes of Ben Carson, Brandon Tatum, and of course, the sage himself is in the movie.
	All right, let's take some calls.
	Let's go to Pepe in El Paso, line one.
	Hello, Mr. Future National Security Advisor.
	How are you?
	I'm very well.
	How's it going, my friend?
	Are you keeping us safe?
	Very busy.
	Very busy.
	I bet you are.
	I just wanted to bring something up really quick.
	I know that the FBI is getting a really, really bad rap.
	I do not believe for a second that the FBI is irredeemable.
	I know that there are many people putting their lives on the line.
	doing very difficult things for all right so this is crucial so so so we've discussed it chris farrell who's going to be on on newsmax with me tonight on the greg kelly show says take it apart victor davis hansard one of the smartest guys in america is going to be on the show for a whole hour on monday he said i think on tucker's show we've got to dismantle it and give its different agencies departments to other parts of the u.s government tell us you are a national security professional we love your support for the show pepe why do you think we can save the fbi
	well those guys with all due respect those guys are not part of the apparatus um They might have some... unless I don't have any... Well, Chris Farrell spent 14 years as a counterintelligence officer in the U.S.
	Army, so he's not some guy in an ivory tower.
	I understand.
	Very well.
	And I did not know that, so I apologize.
	It's just like the church, Dr. Gorka.
	You and I are Catholic.
	Bad priest does not make the church bad.
	Even a bad pope does not make the church bad.
	The church is instituted by Christ.
	We have idiots who are driving the boat.
	You need to get people that can drive the boat.
	I firmly believe there's still a lot of great All right, here's my response to you and you're right, there's still a lot of good guys there.
	I know because I have met them, I've trained them, I've been at Quantico with them, I've been to the RAs and the field offices.
	Here's the problem, Pepe.
	I want to see them.
	I want to see the good guys resist, and not just privately at the water cooler.
	I want to see the good guys say, if you continue to do this, here's my badge, here's my gun.
	I know it's about your pension, but sometimes things are more important than your pension.
	But God bless you, Pepe.
	Keep keeping us safe.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First, coming from a place that I will disclose imminently.
	So stay on this channel.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	The event was, it was not comparable to what Hitler did, but it was unacceptable.
	And whatever one's view of the nature of individual elections during the voting day, the outgoing President of the United States The event was, it was not comparable to what Hitler did, but it was unacceptable.
	And whatever one's view of the nature of individual elections during the voting day, the outgoing President of the United States ...has an obligation for a transition to his successor, and that had been done throughout American history.
	And so an organized demonstration against the Congress, invading the Congress, was totally impermissible.
	Hannah Reed handed the gun to Halls and said, don't give it to Alec until I get back to the setup.
	I've got to go do something else.
	And he proceeded to the set and, A, handed me the gun.
	Baldwin said Gutierrez-Reid should have known the difference between dummy rounds, which make a rattling sound, and live ammunition.
	I mean, anybody on earth who works in that business can determine that.
	Baldwin raised questions about the supplier of guns and ammunition for the film, Seth Kenney, who is being sued by the Armorer.
	An FBI report said 150 live rounds were found on set.
	What was the provenance of all the bullets on the set?
	Where did those come from?
	Well, according to the FBI report, as far as I'm aware, the bullets were co-mingled.
	Right, so if that's the case, then who commingled them?
	Did Seth Kenney provide her with prop ammunition where he commingled live rounds with blank rounds?
	Thank you.
	Are they all the way up?
	Jeff?
	Are you good?
	Now you can hear me?
	Are they good now?
	Okay, can you say something?
	Testing, testing, one, two, three.
	Okay.
	Okay, good.
	All right.
	Mic's on, please.
	On.
	Three minutes, okay.
	Great.
	Okay.
	Alright, I'm going to do car 15 at the top here.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	Sure.
	Sure, either one, just put it on.
	Okay.
	I just need to know in each case whether it's audio or video and audio.
	Thank you.
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	So where am I?
	A couple of amazing guesses.
	I enjoyed them.
	Everybody watching on Rumble.
	Especially the persons who combined my love for science fiction with the guests for where I am.
	No, it's not the TARDIS.
	It's not the Trump Air Force One.
	I am in an incredible institution just a couple of miles from our studio that is a gem that should be world renowned.
	Because it is probably the best museum of its kind on the planet.
	It is the Museum of the Bible.
	And we are here with one of its founding donors, who has been a great supporter of the show.
	He is from a company you're very familiar with over the last nine weeks.
	It is Cornerstone Financial.
	He's John Harvey.
	But he's here with me to celebrate somebody who has an exhibition to him here.
	I feel really bad, John, because I hadn't heard of this individual.
	I'm a cradle Catholic, maybe a little bit out of my knowledge base.
	But who is Watchman Nee, and why does he get an exhibition here at this incredible museum?
	And welcome.
	Thank you, Dr. Gorka.
	Isn't this a beautiful museum?
	When I first, I came here before it opened for a kind of little walk around, private tour.
	I was blown away by how they found this property, this old industrial building, and then what they did with it.
	And then just, whether you're a child, whether you're a grown-up, walking through the living dioramas of the Old Testament, then videos about archaeology, then amazing treasures from the Vatican, a truly Catholic, in the original sense of the word, a truly ecumenical It's an institution that everybody should visit.
	Absolutely.
	It really appeals to all ages, whether you're old or young.
	I brought my kids here many times.
	They have a fantastic time.
	It's one of the most technological top museums in the world.
	I think it was about $500 million.
	Jeff can tell you a little bit more later.
	We're going to be talking to the chief curator, so we're going to talk about the museum, but you're here because of this individual.
	Explain to us a little bit of the story about this martyr to the faith.
	Yes.
	So, down on the first floor, under the impact of the Bible, is an exhibit on Watchman Nee.
	It's running the entire year until March of 2023.
	And the reason we're doing it this year is because it's the 50th anniversary of his martyrdom.
	And it's on Watchman Nee.
	Many of your listeners probably know Watchman Nee.
	Watchman Nee was born in 1903.
	He was saved.
	He met Jesus as his personal Savior in 1920 through the preaching of Dora U.
	He went to school with Anglo-Chinese schools that were kind of modeled after the Trinity University in Dublin.
	But when he made his decision to be for Christ, that was a big decision.
	Because he knew it wasn't just to receive Christ, but he was going to give his entire life for the faith.
	Well, I know I've looked at his background, and he planted churches at a very early age, started writing works.
	We have one of his books here.
	We'll talk about the normal Christian life.
	And then he had a challenge.
	He had to choose between helping out in his family's industry and in the business side.
	Or continuing to plant churches.
	And then he made a very, very tough decision to come back to China from Hong Kong.
	So will you walk us through these seminal milestones and why they tell us so much about this man?
	Absolutely.
	You know, he basically began to read the Bible.
	We're in the Museum of the Bible.
	He just started reading the Bible.
	He read it once a week, the New Testament, for many years.
	He began to see things and he began to write things.
	He wrote a Christian periodical that spread throughout China, The Christian Magazine.
	And he then began to write many books that spread throughout the Western world, including The Normal Christian Life, Sit, Walk, Stand, What Shall This Man Do?, The Breaking of the Outer Man for the Release of the Spirit, The Glorious Church, And ultimately, you're right, he had to make a huge decision.
	He saw that the communists were coming in to take over the country.
	In 1949, he sent his co-worker, Witness Lee, to Taiwan to escape from the Chinese.
	And he himself actually went to Hong Kong in 1950.
	Where he could have stayed and been safe.
	He could have stayed.
	Right.
	But the way he describes it is that what mother Having their child in a burning building, knowing the risks, would go back into the building to save the child, and he thought he had to go back into mainland, knowing full well he might be arrested for the sake of the brothers and sisters that he was leaving behind in China.
	So he goes back, and eventually, of course, he is arrested in 1952.
	Yes.
	He is meant to be released 15 years later, but that's not how it works out, correct?
	Right.
	In 1952, he's arrested.
	He's held for four years in Shanghai, not seeing his family or friends.
	It wasn't until 1956 that they actually got around to officially charging him, and he gave him a 15-year sentence based on trumped-up charges.
	During that prison sentence, he experienced many, many sufferings.
	He had a 9 by 4 and a half foot prison cell.
	He had no uniforms.
	It was his own tattered clothes.
	No heating.
	Just two meals a day.
	Eight hours of hard labor.
	Propaganda.
	And despite all these indignities, this is incredible, there was another foreign prisoner who escaped who reported that in the morning hours, before the propaganda would start on the loudspeakers, he could hear me singing in his baritone voice these five hymns that he wrote and composed.
	So he kept his joy, even in prison, just like the Apostle Paul in Philippians.
	Well, the same is true for my father, who his faith kept him sane in the six years that he was in a political prison in communist Hungary.
	So, I can relate familiarly to the story.
	So, tell us about why there's an exhibition here for the next year to Watchman Nee.
	Tell us a little bit about the book, The Normal Christian Life, and what's special, what's different about this man?
	Yes.
	Well, the reason really is because it's the 50th anniversary of his martyrdom.
	And we consider him a martyr because he could have been released at any time.
	All he had to do was to Renounce his faith in Jesus Christ and write a declaration to that effect.
	As a matter of fact, many other Christian prisoners were released.
	The same day that they were recanted, they would be released.
	And you know, he married his childhood sweetheart, Charity Chen.
	And he was separated.
	He so much wanted to be back together with her.
	She died before he was released.
	She died in 1971.
	He died in 1972.
	But he could have been released at any time.
	Matter of fact, they even tried to get him to recant.
	They sent a couple thugs into his cell to beat him with the promise that they would be released if they would get him to recant.
	But he wouldn't do it.
	So ultimately, he wouldn't recant.
	They extended his prison sentence another five years.
	So he was totally imprisoned by the Communists for 20 years.
	And at the end of his life, he wrote a letter.
	The day before he died, he wrote a letter to his sister saying that, in sickness, I retain my joy.
	He retained his Christian joy throughout all these indignities and all these sufferings.
	And then ultimately, he passed away On April 12, 1972, his sister-in-law and another relative came to collect him.
	They actually cremated him the very next day on June 1st.
	They didn't even tell anybody the cremation was happening.
	They just got rid of his body.
	Right, exactly.
	But they did.
	One of the guards found under his pillow a note that he had written in large Chinese letters in a shaking hand, and the note said this, "Christ is the Son of God, "who died for the redemption of sinners "and resurrected on the third day.
	"This is the greatest truth in the universe.
	I die because of my belief in Christ.
	Watch my knee.
	Wow.
	So for that fact we consider him a martyr.
	I don't think I've heard a summation of our faith that is that succinct.
	Yes.
	That's one sentence.
	Exactly.
	That tells you what you need to know about our faith.
	Exactly.
	And you know in July of So, people need to come here.
	You're talking to three million people across the country.
	actually wrote the history of watching me into the congressional record.
	- So we have recognition here.
	- We do, yeah, and he included that statement.
	- So people need to come here.
	You're talking to three million people across the country.
	I've always wanted to bang the drum loud, blow the trumpet for the Museum of the Bible 'cause it really is a gem, a world-class gem.
	Everybody needs to come here with their families, We've got 60 seconds left with you, John.
	John Harvey, why should they, when they come here, also spend time at the Watchman Knee exhibit?
	You know, I would think you have to really see these unseen-before artifacts that we have here in the exhibit.
	It's really fantastic.
	It actually took two years to bring this exhibit together from all kinds of resources.
	And there are many different publications that are in English that Watchmenny published that are on sale here in the gift shop.
	And these include books like The Normal Christian Life, which you can actually get free of charge.
	If you come to the exhibit, you get the book.
	And if you also go to nebookclub.org, you'll get a free copy.
	You've got to come here and visit.
	And this is a man who I should have started the interview with.
	Watchman Nee, martyred for our faith, has been named one of the most influential Christians in history by Christianity Today magazine.
	I'm indebted to John for being here, for making all of this possible with the great team here.
	Thank you, John Harvey of Cornerstone Financial.
	I'm going to go see the exhibit.
	Because that sentence, that summary of what we believe, is truly majestic.
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	That was awesome.
	Thank you.
	Thanks, Ron.
	Hi, Sebastian.
	Pleased to meet you.
	Thanks for joining us.
	Please.
	Thanks for coming.
	Let's get you mic'd up.
	Great.
	How you doing?
	Great.
	Do you have an inside pocket that I can put this in?
	Uh, yeah.
	Hi, Sebastian.
	Pleased to meet you.
	Thanks for joining us.
	Yeah, thanks for coming.
	Let's get your mic up.
	Great.
	How are you doing?
	Great.
	Do you have an inside pocket that I can put in?
	Yeah.
	Can you do the buckle?
	Three minutes.
	Can you come in with that audio again, Alex?
	Food for the poor.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Mics are live, by the way, or do you want them off?
	Live is fine.
	Live, okay.
	Title for, or you want to post that segment?
	Who was Watchman Knee?
	I'm talking to my team.
	I want you to sing about the museum for us.
	Okay.
	Well, I'm not going to sing, but I will talk.
	All right.
	You want the cameras on now, Seb?
	Yes, please.
	All right.
	- I'm sorry.
	- Cover the screen.
	- Okay.
	- Yeah, yeah.
	I want you to sing about the museum for us.
	- Okay.
	Well, I'm not gonna sing, but I will talk.
	- All right, you want the cameras on now, Seb?
	- Yes, please.
	- All right, cameras are on for the Rumble audience.
	- I spilled water over myself.
	- Yeah.
	- How's your day going?
	So far, so good.
	So far, so good.
	And the pronunciation of your name is just as it looks?
	Say it.
	Cloja?
	That's good.
	Most people skip the H, but it's supposed to be there.
	Where is it from?
	Is it Czech?
	- Bohemian, yeah, actually.
	Usually people ask if it's Hawaiian.
	Right.
	Two minutes.
	Two minutes.
	- All righty. - So I'm just gonna ask you to just really do a big introduction for those who've never heard of it before, how it came about, what you have under here, and the fact that you've got changing exhibits as well.
	So just a general introduction.
	Sure.
	All righty.
	90 seconds.
	And that is, let me see here.
	Sorry?
	Uh, and the title is Chief Curatorial Officer, Museum of the Bible?
	Curatorial, yeah, Curatorial Officer, is that right?
	That's right, yeah.
	If it's easier to say Chief Curator, that's fine.
	Alrighty.
	One minute.
	So this is live, right?
	This is live across the nation.
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	All right.
	So we are here.
	We are at this unbelievable world-class museum.
	If you haven't heard about it, shame on you.
	You need to come here and see it.
	It truly is world-class.
	I've been to the Vatican's museums.
	I grew up in the UK where, you know, they have a few museums that are rather world-class.
	This one is up there with them, and we are delighted.
	Allegedly, allegedly, my sources tell me, our next guest came in from vacation to be with us live across the nation.
	Jeffrey Klohe is the chief curatorial officer of the Museum of the Bible.
	We're just going to say he's the boss curator.
	Jeff, tell us how it came to be first.
	What's the origin story of this incredible institution?
	Well, it's a really interesting story.
	It really began with Steve and Jackie Green, the Green family, were approached about starting a museum.
	It wasn't going anywhere and decided they would take it on as a family.
	And so in 2011, they kind of really got going.
	2012, acquired this property here in Washington, D.C., just a couple of blocks from the Air and Space Museum.
	Yeah, the location is incredible.
	It's amazing.
	All right, Capitol Building is right there.
	And construction process, building out the exhibits, bringing the artifacts over, opened in November of 2017.
	So tell us about what you provide to the people who come here.
	Who should come here?
	What kind of audiences?
	I'm just not sure about that.
	But how much money did you raise to create this incredible institution?
	A good amount of money.
	It shows.
	It shows.
	So tell us about what you provide to the people who come here.
	Who should come here?
	What kind of audiences?
	What kind of permanent exhibits?
	So it really is for all people.
	And that's in our mission statement.
	The Museum of the Bible's purpose is to invite all people to engage with the transformative power of the Bible.
	And we do so primarily through exhibits.
	We have three main areas of focus in our permanent galleries.
	That is the history of the Bible, the stories of the Bible, and the impact of the Bible.
	And the way the museum design was approached was to be very creative, immersive, engaging.
	I mean, you know, right?
	When most people hear the word museum, what do they think?
	Old, boring, dusty.
	And when most people hear the word Bible, what do they think?
	I get excited.
	I don't know about most people.
	Well, most people will probably think, old boy, so what could possibly be worse than with the Bible, right?
	So the goal was to not have that happen, right?
	So there's interactives, sound everywhere, visuals everywhere.
	People come, there's things for little kids, there's scholarly, academic things, archaeology.
	Everything from, you know, ancient manuscripts to fun walks through, or flies, literally fly through Washington, D.C.
	Well, and you have towns.
	You have not only this... Nazareth.
	You can walk into Nazareth Village.
	Right.
	You're actually going through not little models of the Old Testament or the New Testament.
	You're walking through the life of Jesus.
	Right.
	So rather than a lecture on what life in Galilee is like at the time of Jesus, you go to Nazareth, right?
	So who comes here?
	Who have you managed to attract to the Museum of the Bible?
	Well, certainly people of faith.
	But from all over?
	From all over, yeah.
	All over the world, all over the country.
	And, you know, believers, non-believers, we've had a great response.
	It's really designed to be something that anyone can approach.
	It's not going to overwhelm people.
	It's not going to, you know, shove something down your throat.
	It's really just to let the Bible and its history and its impact and its stories be something that's known by all people.
	And as with the Vatican Exhibit and the Watchman Knee Exhibit, you have rotations as well of special... Yeah, we have actually three long-term relationships with the Vatican Museum and Library, also with the Israeli Antiquities Authority, so the largest exhibit of archaeology of Israel outside of Jerusalem is here in Washington, in our museum.
	And a long-term partnership with the Ecumenical Patriarchate in Constantinople.
	And then we do a series of special exhibits.
	We try to do kind of one main one per year.
	Last year, for example, we had an exhibit on the Magna Carta.
	I had two Magna Cartas here.
	Yes.
	One from Hereford, one from Sandwich, and talked about the role of the Bible in the formation of Magna Carta.
	We just concluded one on the Shroud of Turin.
	Very well received about that fascinating object and its history and why people think what they do about it.
	Next month we're opening an exhibit on the Samaritans, biblical people, and there's still Samaritans today.
	When does that open?
	I've got to come and check that one out.
	September 15th, 16th, I should know.
	September 16th is opening.
	And also, I've seen a play here and a couple of events.
	There's actually a theater as well.
	We have a theater, a small theater, about 470 seats, and we do various concerts, productions.
	We have a production of A Horse and His Boy.
	Coming up in January, the C.S.
	Lewis adaptation.
	So, yeah, all kinds of things going on all year round.
	Are you excited to have this kind of facility?
	What's different for you?
	I mean, you are the Chief Curatorial Officer.
	What would your message in a sentence be to the people who are coming to D.C., busy schedule, want to go to the air and space?
	Why should they come here, Jeff?
	Well, first of all, the Bible has never been presented like it is here.
	You have amazing objects, the entire history of the Bible, the manuscripts, just amazing collection, world-class collection.
	But it's also, again, fun, interactive.
	We've won national awards for our Hebrew Bible experience, which is just a great walk through the Hebrew Bible in a very different way.
	The best thing that we get from our guest feedback in the museum is about that experience.
	So, even if you know the Bible, if you don't, you're going to find something here and learn about the Bible, its impact.
	What's really exciting to me is you have, you know, with the Bible you have, what, 4,000 years of history, virtually every culture, almost a limitless range of topics.
	And you can spend a lot of time in this large building, correct?
	Well, the average visitor spends three to four hours here.
	Right, but you're kind of scratching the surface.
	Scratching the surface, yeah.
	But if you want the academic stuff, you can go do that.
	If you want the fun stuff, you can go do that.
	And then come back and do it all again.
	He is the Chief Curatorial Officer of the Museum of the Bible.
	Guys, it really is something else.
	I want to find out more about it every time I come here.
	If you're in D.C., you've got no excuse.
	If you're in Northern Virginia, you've got to come here.
	If you're coming to D.C., make time.
	At least half a day, I recommend it to you.
	God bless you, Jeff, for what you're doing.
	This is really an inspiration.
	Thank you.
	You need to be a world class in terms of how much you are known because you deserve to.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First coming to you live from the Museum of the Bible in Washington, D.C.
	What a place to put a Museum of the Bible.
	Maybe it'll help clean it up.
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	What am I missing?
	Everything.
	Oh, Rumble!
	Rumble.com slash Seb Gawker.
	We'll be back in a moment.
	We'll be back in a moment.
	Three and a half minutes.
	Three and a half minutes.
	Yeah.
	All righty.
	We can turn the mics back on.
	Not the camera yet.
	The mics.
	Thank you, Dr. Barker.
	Thank you guys.
	God bless.
	Thank you.
	That was superb.
	And thank you for this.
	Excellent.
	Can't wait.
	Wonderful.
	Superb.
	Thank you, John.
	Hello again, Rumble.
	just leave his loud mic on or do you want to use this?
	Yeah, give me my, give me my, you don't have to put it on, but you're going to, you can, there's a prop.
	Three minutes.
	Okay.
	All right, so.
	Camer's back on.
	Hello again, Rumble.
	Can you play me 14 again?
	14, one more time.
	Playback one, go.
	Hannah Reed handed the gun to Halls and said, don't give it to Alec until I get back to the set.
	I've got to go do something else.
	And he proceeded to the set, and A, handed me the gun.
	Baldwin said Gutierrez-Reed should have known the difference between dummy rounds, which make a rattling sound, and live ammunition.
	I mean, anybody on earth who works in that business can determine that.
	Baldwin raised questions about the supplier of guns and ammunition for the film, Seth Kenney, who is being sued by the Armorer.
	An FBI report said 150 live rounds were found on set.
	What was the provenance of all the bullets on the set?
	Where did those come from?
	Well, according to the FBI report, as far as I'm aware, the bullets were co-mingled.
	Right, so if that's the case, then who commingled them?
	Did Seth Kenny provide her with prop ammunition where he commingled live rounds with blank rounds?
	How about who pointed the gun?
	Yeah, right.
	I'm going to use that before I introduce Adam, okay?
	All right.
	Oh, and you've got the...
	I've got the B-roll and I've got the two pictures.
	All right, I'm going to do the...
	The one with the targets first and then the one with you?
	I'm going to do the...
	No, I'm going to do the me with the gun and the targets, and then I'm going to tee up the B-roll.
	You with the gun and then the targets, and then you'll tee up the B-roll.
	Yes.
	Copy that.
	And that's next segment.
	This is C, so...
	Oh, okay, yes.
	Yeah, so you've got time for callers this segment.
	Do we have?
	Jeff?
	Yeah, I sent him to me.
	Oh, yeah, he says he sent him to me.
	Oh, I need a title for Mr. Cloha.
	Washington's most amazing museum.
	Mm-hmm.
	Really is.
	What is that thing with the antenna?
	No.
	What is that thing with the antenna?
	What is that thing with the antenna?
	What is that thing with the antenna?
	To work on the best show.
	Now, seriously, congratulations, guys.
	Really, you make this look easy.
	And thank you to everybody who helped us here at the museum.
	Charlotte and everybody else, super fun.
	This is really a truly incredible, incredible, not just location, but museum as well.
	Guys, seriously, if you come to DC, actually plan a trip to DC to come to this.
	You will not regret it.
	OK, it's Friday.
	It's Friday.
	It's Ask Dr. G Anything.
	It's Second Amendment Friday, but I just can't stop.
	Stop!
	My buddies, they did it to Sam Harris.
	Did they walk him down the primrose path?
	Did they manage to get him to open his kimono?
	Yes, they did.
	Because this is what the left thinks about you and the man you voted for.
	This is Sam Harris.
	A lovely, lovely chap to cut for.
	I think Trump is essentially, we got Alex Jones as president of the United States.
	I don't think they're very different people.
	I think it's the same phenomenon in my world.
	How so?
	Because just the level of misinformation, disinformation, lying, the charlatanism, the conscious fraudulence of everything at scale, and the targeting of individuals with known consequences.
	The fraudulence at scale and the targeting of individuals.
	I wonder if he's heard of Mike Flynn.
	I wonder if he's heard of Carter Page or Paul Manafort or Steve Bannon or the 800 people arrested after January 6th.
	I wonder if that counts as the targeting of individuals or charlatanism.
	I wonder if he's heard of Hunter Biden, travelling to China with no background in banking or in Asia, getting a 1.4 billion with a B dollar deal with the National Bank of Communist China.
	A deal, by the way, you talk to anybody on Wall Street, nobody.
	Not JP Morgan, not Goldman Sachs, nobody could get.
	But the crackhead Prostitute-loving Hunter Biden, yeah, he gets that deal.
	But no, no, no, President Trump is Alex Jones.
	But it gets better.
	Cut six.
	As a Venn diagram, it's just, it overlaps 80% with the Alex Jones phenomenon.
	So I just, I see them as the same problem.
	I see these are, these are, you know, if they're not actually clinically, you know, diagnosable as psychopaths, they're the next best thing.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	We're the psychopaths, not the guy firming himself smoking a crap pipe.
	No, that's not the psychopath.
	I want to know.
	I need a sanity check.
	Am I reading too much into this?
	Eric, what do you think of these clips of the wonderful, lovely liberal who is Sam Harris?
	I think the sheer arrogance above all else.
	He just so confidently says, oh, yeah, Trump is Alex Jones.
	Tens of millions of Trump voters are morons.
	He believes it himself.
	And that, I think, is the most revealing thing about the law.
	It's not even necessary that they believe it.
	It's how sure they are of their beliefs in that.
	It is the incredible arrogance.
	Absolutely.
	Okay, let's go to your calls.
	We've got Dan in California, line four.
	Dan, happy Friday.
	Happy Friday, Seb.
	Sorry, I'm a little nervous.
	Don't be nervous.
	It's easy.
	It's only three million people listening.
	Just relax.
	Imagine everybody's naked with black socks on.
	It helps for me.
	You're the guy who's got clothes on.
	They're all naked with black socks on.
	You feel a certain superiority.
	That's an old piece of public speaking advice.
	Carry on.
	Right.
	Well, this is the very first time that I've ever called into a radio station, and I've enjoyed your thoughts and wisdom over the years.
	Even before you created this show, America First, and so it's a great honor to speak with you, and you also have a great crew working with you.
	Stop it!
	Stop it!
	It's going to go straight to their heads.
	What's your question, please?
	Carry on, Dan.
	They're going to want to get paid next!
	Well, I just want to do a shout out to my compadres on RumbleChat that's watching.
	Hey, guys, this is Maha2.
	But I'm not an artist or anything, but I have an idea for a t-shirt or a mug design.
	Good, go ahead.
	We love the artistic input from our listeners.
	What's your idea?
	Well, recently Liz Cheney outrageously described herself as Abe Lincoln.
	Well, because of her obsession with Trump, there's actually a different character with a similar look that I think is more befitting, and that's Captain Ahab.
	Oh, that's a little bit of a literary reference in there.
	I see what you did there, Dan.
	But, you know, what I see is Trump as Moby Dick riding atop an enormous red wave which is depicted as we, the people, with angry eyes and a toothy Monogate, you see the great white whale about to slam into the ship, the USS Establishment, where you see Cheney as Ahab at the bow, about to throw a blunted and derf foam spear.
	You also see others on the ship, as well as rhinos, jumping ship, trying to escape in puny lifeboats.
	Of course, Cheney isn't the only Ahab, so you can have multiple Ahabs and, you know, adjust as needed.
	The only trouble is, Dan, the whale can't be white, remember?
	Because then they'll say, oh look, he is a white supremacist!
	Yeah, right.
	We'll have to change the color of the world.
	I love it.
	Genius.
	The Ahab, Liz Cheney, President Trump as Moby Dick riding a big red wave.
	Although guys, please, can we switch the colors of the parties back to what they were?
	Everywhere in the world, the commies are red and the good guys are blue.
	How much time have I got left in the segment?
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	Yes, I did.
	Okay, nice.
	Funny thing is, actually, VDH... What's up?
	Drop line four, Alex.
	Drop him.
	Line four.
	He's still on.
	Funny thing is, VDH wrote an article back in 2019 describing Trump as, quote, the Democrats' great white whale.
	Oh, interesting.
	And I'm like, it's so true.
	Someone in the chat, by the way, saying, uh, that's not a good comparison because the whale dies in the end.
	And I'm like, ah, not true.
	It's technically left unclear what happens to the whale in the end.
	Ah, Eric comes through with a little literature.
	I loved it.
	It's only the single greatest novel in American literature, in my humble opinion.
	All right.
	Two minutes, 15 seconds.
	The cliff notes weren't bad.
	The what?
	The cliff notes weren't bad.
	The cliff notes of Moby Dick.
	It's about a whale.
	Trust Jeff.
	Trust Jeff.
	Two minutes.
	All right.
	So now's Ruanala.
	You'll be teeing up those pictures, and then the... Is this when the Second Amendment audio comes in?
	Yes, it is.
	Copy that.
	I think our team needs a range day at the gun range.
	I think that's a very solid idea.
	I have not been to a range in so long.
	What's your latest acquisition?
	Who's?
	Mine?
	Well, I don't know that.
	I think he's talking to someone else.
	Oh, okay.
	Is it a hunting or a long range?
	What caliber?
	You can swap it out?
	Yeah, I've got a 6.5.
	I haven't even shot it yet.
	I need to try it.
	All right.
	We're still dialing him up on Skype.
	Okey-doke.
	All right.
	One minute.
	Skype to Alex.
	He's here.
	Hey guys, can you hear me?
	Yes, we can hear you.
	Hey Adam.
	Hey bud, how are you?
	Good, good, good, good.
	Hey, I'm in a remote location.
	I don't have all my notes with me.
	What's your title?
	National Marketing Director.
	National Marketing Director.
	All right, we're going to talk about the stuff you sent me and then we're going to talk the state of the Second Amendment, okay?
	Perfect.
	All right, cool.
	Nine minutes.
	minutes we're gonna have some fun um all right
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	Oh, when it comes to the Second Amendment, who's that chap Baldwin?
	He had something to say about the woman that he killed.
	Play cut.
	Hannah Reid handed the gun to Halls and said, don't give it to Alec until I get back to the set.
	I've got to go do something else.
	And he proceeded to the set and, A, handed me the gun.
	Baldwin said Gutierrez-Reid should have known the difference between dummy rounds, which make a rattling sound, and live ammunition.
	I mean, anybody on earth who works in that business can determine that.
	Baldwin raised questions about the supplier of guns and ammunition for the film, Seth Kenney, who is being sued by the Armorer.
	An FBI report said 150 live rounds were found on set.
	What was the provenance of all the bullets on the set?
	Where did those come from?
	Well, according to the FBI report, as far as I'm aware, the bullets were co-mingled.
	Right, so if that's the case, then who commingled them?
	Did Seth Kenney provide her with prop ammunition where he commingled live rounds with blank rounds?
	Yes, who did commingle them?
	But perhaps the more important question you should ask, Adam, is, uh, Alec, is who pulled the trigger?
	Was it you?
	Because if that's the case, you killed her.
	All right, let's talk about people who know how to handle weapons.
	I'm delighted to have with us once more the National Marketing Director for Sentry International, including Canik, Adam Rualnala.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Great to be back.
	All right, so I have to commend you.
	I wasn't sure about the stuff I saw you peddling at Shock Show earlier this year, and then I tested out your AP5 and your AP5K.
	We've got a picture of me shooting them and then the target.
	I took them out to where I shoot a couple of weeks ago.
	These things These things must be made on original H&K machinery, because these things are as good as the original German ones.
	They are like tack-driving lasers.
	You've got a serious product there, Adam.
	Congratulations.
	Thank you so much.
	And actually, you're dead on.
	They are made from original H&K machinery.
	They built a factory in 1970s in Turkey and they've been staying on the same technical data package, same machinery, metallurgy.
	Everything that made these products so successful for many militaries and law enforcement across the world are now available in a civilian form that is the same quality of reliability that came with the brand and came with the iconic platform now available at a third of Yeah, it is the sexiest submachine gun in the world, from Operation Nimrod, the Iranian embassy siege, right all the way through Delta and everybody else.
	So check it out, amazing weapons, AP5, AP5K, very happy.
	However, you know what I really want to commend you on?
	Play this B-Roll.
	So this is the Canik, if I get it wrong, the rival SFX, that you sent to me to check out, and it comes in a box.
	I thought it was, I thought somebody had mistakenly sent me an Apple Mac computer, because the packaging was unbelievable.
	Look at this, look at, it's about 48 times bigger than the gun, it's got blueprints inside, you open the box, and then you get what?
	You get the Red Dot sight in a separate little compartment on the left, And then you open, you pull out the gun case itself, open that, which is inside the box it arrived in.
	You got a little cool key ring, a little miniature of the gun, which I did not expect.
	Very little nice touch there.
	And then you open the box itself, and there's this race gun.
	I already have a Kanik I bought years ago, one of the most accurate 9mms I have.
	just ready to race.
	And you also threw in a Kydex holster as well.
	You know, the gun's cool, Adam, but I got to ask, who the heck came up with that marketing and packaging design?
	Because it's genius.
	Well, you know, I think it's a team effort.
	Oh, he's such a diplomat.
	He's such a diplomat.
	Look at that.
	Ooh, I'm not going to take credit.
	I might have come up with it.
	Who knows?
	But he's going to say it's a team effort.
	But I have to say, I haven't seen anything like, I mean, it really is like an Apple product.
	I thought it was an Apple product.
	You know, it was something we put a lot of time and effort into the actual product itself.
	The gun itself was a culmination of many people's hard work, many years of research and development.
	So we thought it only fitting that we also had to make sure that we did it, gave it, you know, the proper send off with the packaging.
	So we're really glad you like it.
	And that little keychain, as you put it, isn't a keychain.
	If you actually pull the bottom of the grip off, that's a toolkit.
	I thought it was a little heavy for a keychain, so I didn't mess with it before I came on the show today.
	I wanted you to explain it, so I'm glad in front of three million people you told them what it really is.
	So I'm gonna go home after the show and check out my little toolkit.
	Okay.
	Let's get to the serious matter of the state of the industry, the state of our rights.
	You were really very outspoken the last time I came on, not the average industry guy and I commend you for that.
	How concerned should people across the country who understand the import of the Second Amendment, how concerned should they be?
	We've seen 87,000 IRS agents hired who have authority to use lethal force according to their website.
	Should we expect the ATF to be ramping stuff up as well, Adam?
	You know, I think it all starts with what you're seeing is the narrative.
	And as you said, you know, the popular narrative across the media isn't education in terms of firearm news.
	It is strictly a sizzle.
	You know, as we saw, unfortunately with COVID and everything like that, you know, fear and, and, and recklessness is that's what sells.
	That's what keeps people glued to their television.
	A lot of the time.
	So anytime there's a negative narrative, they're going to focus on that.
	But anytime there's a good guy with a gun or, you know, the true stats of what happens, it's not going to, it's not going to be reflected.
	And then that is a perfect time to do things like the bipartisan gun safety legislation.
	We all agree that there should be gun safety, but how they're going about it is what I think we start to see, uh, where, where the different sides disagree.
	And the fact that it is bipartisan doesn't necessarily mean that our constituent, the constituents truly believe that's the direction we should go.
	And then you see, it's a slippery slope.
	You see what the House did with the measure on July 29th.
	While we're saying, hey, that's not going to make it through the Senate, the fact is that it shouldn't have even made it through Congress.
	Correct.
	So when you're looking at these kind of things, it really is scary to see the direction this is going.
	And while people don't think, oh, nothing's going to come from this, the fact of the matter is, 10 years ago, we wouldn't have even been thinking this could have gotten to this point.
	So I think we need to really be paying attention to what happens right now, and we need to come together.
	We need to.
	We need to support real organizations like Gun Owners of America.
	We need more people like you, Adam, who are faces of the industry, who are actually prepared to talk about things that are more than just their product.
	So, God bless you and the team at Century Arms.
	It's CenturyArms.com, CenturyArms.com.
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	All right, anything coming down the pike?
	Any product we should be aware of in the next few months?
	Well, I mean, between you, me, and the fence post, we've got a couple.
	We've got our Rival S, which will be actually the steel frame version of the Rival.
	Oh, very cool.
	Yep.
	Yeah, so it'll be like... So same setup, funnel mag, same size, race gun, but steel.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's actually some more accessories and a little bit more customizable.
	You can put different grips on it, things like that.
	So going against the CZ Shadow and Walther steel frame, but it's going to be literally a third of the price.
	Wow.
	And the other thing, you said a couple?
	The biggest one is where right now we're having to work with the ATF is our micro compact.
	So same size as the Hellcat, a little bit smaller than the P365.
	But actually holds 15 plus one.
	What?
	And it's gonna come in at under $400 retail.
	And it'll look like the Canik or it's a new design?
	It looks like the Canik, it's just a small size Canik.
	I mean, it's literally the same size as a Hellcat, but 15 plus one standard.
	Alright, keep me posted, buddy.
	I will, brother.
	I'll talk to you soon, alright?
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	My comment is the border disaster, let alone Afghanistan inflation, Biden has to go.
	We talked about this a year and a half ago.
	Yeah, I know, but it's not up to us.
	I understand.
	But I just want to comment that to you, because you're the commander of Conservative Radio.
	I appreciate it.
	I think they're going to pitch him under the bus very soon, but then they get Kamala, which is great, because it's going to be even worse for them.
	So I agree.
	I think he's got a couple of months left.
	Then comes the cackler.
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	Okay, a couple of weeks after the Ukraine business got started, a fellow called in and mentioned he'd seen what he thought was a bullpup version of the AK.
	I wondered if you'd gotten any more info on that.
	Yeah, I have.
	I've seen it on various social media sites.
	It's actually made in Croatia.
	It's just a restocking of the AK.
	Nothing, you know, really mind-blowing.
	It's like the Kushner pop.
	If you Google Kushner pop, that's the same kind of concept, but it's made in Ukraine.
	Great question.
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	Hey, Dr. G. Talk about guns.
	In the state of California, it became legal on August the 18th, here just a couple days ago.
	People are going to be shocked.
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	They passed it, people don't even realize it, here in the state of California.
	It's shocking.
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	We've got to get ready for our next guest.
	Amazing, amazing commentator from the UK.
	You might have heard of him.
	Sargon of Akkad.
	He's not actually the ancient Syrian king, but he goes under that title for his podcast.
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	We'll be back with the one and only Carl Benjamin and his explanation on why it has to be Trump.
	Thank you.
	We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.
	Thank you.
	Let me say it again.
	The 2020 election was the most secure election in American history.
	Let me begin by asking a very simple question.
	Do we know the truth about what really happened in the 2020 election?
	I think millions of Americans know something went wrong, and they have little pieces, and no one's really put it together.
	I'm agnostic on this question, and I am awaiting more information.
	If I believed the president were a Nazi, I might steal an election.
	Bold accusations require bold evidence, and they haven't seen it.
	We have been working on something big.
	Show me the money.
	Can we meet?
	I've been working with Greg Phillips.
	He has a deep background in election intelligence.
	True The Vote has the largest store of election intelligence for the 2020 elections in the world.
	No one has more data than we do.
	We identified in Atlanta 242 mules that went to an average of 24 drop boxes.
	But Philadelphia alone, we've identified more than 1,100 mules.
	What is a mule?
	This is not grandma out walking her dog.
	Bad backgrounds, bad reputations.
	They are interested in one thing, that's money.
	This is organized crime.
	in no way, in no time, is that legal.
	- This is organized crime.
	- Do you have video evidence?
	- Four million minutes of surveillance video around the country.
	- What you're about to see is disturbing.
	So this is 1 o'clock in the morning.
	Don't we all vote at 1 o'clock in the morning?
	One night, this person, this mule, went across six counties to 27 different drop boxes.
	I call it the Mexican Mafia, seriously.
	Because they work like that.
	This is jaw-dropping.
	What you showed is frightening.
	It's just sickening to me.
	Now we come to the most important question of all.
	Was the magnitude of vote trafficking enough to tip the balance in the 2020 presidential election?
	It's not a leap to say this would have made a difference.
	They have ruined election day in the United States of America.
	That's provable.
	And that's enough for me to fight the left with every fiber in my body.
	Without free and fair elections, we are not a democracy.
	We are a criminal cartel masquerading as a democracy.
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	It is crucial, dear friends, to understand that what we have witnessed in America in the last six years isn't sui generis, isn't unique, isn't just about to understand that what we have witnessed in America in the last six years isn't sui generis, isn't It is part of a global, a global phenomena.
	Well, I'm biased.
	I grew up under Maggie Thatcher.
	I think it begins with Maggie Thatcher in the UK.
	Then it permeates its way through the establishment.
	We get people like Nigel Farage fighting back.
	We get Brexit.
	And then we get a certain businessman going down a certain escalator in Manhattan.
	And the rest is history.
	But why does it take another Brit?
	I'm an American now.
	I know I've got a funny accent.
	But why does it take another Brit?
	To give us perhaps one of the most trenchant analyses of why we have to get this man back in the White House.
	A good friend of mine, Dave Reboy, you know who you are.
	You posted this on Twitter a few days ago.
	It's a seven minute video.
	I'm just going to share a couple of seconds of audio and it's bloody good.
	Play cut.
	I've got no doubt that Rand Paul or Ron DeSantis could very competently implement a similar agenda.
	However, it has to be Trump, because Trump is the protagonist of an important moral story whose narrative arc has yet to resolve, and resolve it must.
	So what this reveals to us is the shape of the cartel that is currently occupying the seats of power in the United States.
	A gross, corrupted, degenerate, Machiavellian collection of villains who have decided that they cannot live in peace with their fellow countrymen and do not care about the established rules and customs of the republic in which they live.
	They will break any rule, tell any lie, and persecute any citizen as long as it helps them maintain their hold on power.
	That voice may be familiar to some of you out there.
	It disembodied.
	It may make you think of an Akkadian legendary leader.
	He went by the name of Sargon for a good few years, but he's here now as Carl Benjamin.
	Sargon, welcome to America First One-on-One.
	Thank you so much for having me.
	It's a pleasure to see you again.
	So I want for those who are not familiar with you because you've got three million listeners across the nation, then all the video streaming audience and everything else in the podcast.
	I want to delve into your success on YouTube with the Lotus Eaters and your background philosophically.
	But first, your argument in the video, and I'm going to retweet it right now.
	Everybody needs to see it.
	It's six minutes long, guys, okay?
	You can actually, you know, spend six minutes watching this video.
	Your argument is a fascinating one, which delves into something I first appreciated maybe five years ago.
	Human beings need stories.
	There's a reason every parent reads bedtime stories to their child, or as I had to for my daughter, make up mythical stories, you know, extemporaneously to send them to sleep.
	We live for narratives.
	The idea of the Iliad, the Odyssey, the Minstrel Shakespeare, is crucial to human, human meaning or the search for meaning.
	But what the hell has it got to do with politics?
	Because the logic of your video and I love it.
	The logic is we have an arc.
	We have an arc of justice and Donald Trump has to come back to finish the job he started in the first term.
	But nothing's a given in politics.
	Give us the logic of why the story has to have a happy ending.
	Because if Donald Trump isn't the person who was chosen to head the Republican Party in 2024, then he can't avenge himself on the Democrats.
	Now, I don't know what I'm allowed to say about the 2020 election.
	Oh, we are banned on YouTube.
	On a private video, a private video where a guest said, lots of Trump voters have issues with the last election.
	We were nuked.
	So we are on every platform except the fascistic YouTube.
	Go ahead, dear sir, you can say what you wish.
	Well, just to make sure that I don't get in trouble after this then, I will just say that there is a wing of politics who feels that perhaps this wasn't fairly equated, and I think you all know what I mean.
	Use big, fat, fancy British words that the censors don't know, okay?
	It just wasn't fair play.
	It wasn't fair play.
	The wicket was, you know... It wasn't cricket.
	Yes, it wasn't cricket.
	It wasn't cricket.
	Good.
	And this is something that the American public, I think, have to live with now.
	Because obviously, being international on the internet, I get to hear from lots of Americans, and they all project the same sort of sentiments towards me when I'm interacting with them.
	And I'm very, very tangibly aware that coming out of the patriot side of American politics is this overwhelming feeling of loss and of not quite bitterness, but a growing awareness that, oh, actually, Things are not as they seemed before.
	We thought we were playing a fair game.
	We thought we were having a game of cricket.
	We thought that both sides agreed to the rules and we were going to play by these rules and it turns out that one side is not.
	And it's not the Patriots.
	And so If we want to be able to say that America is a good, fair, decent country that is run responsibly by people who take the interests of Americans into their own hearts and actively govern according to those, if we want to say that America is a country that is law-abiding, of rules,
	that is morally correctly organized, then the, as I described, the villains who are currently squatting on your great country, they have to lose.
	They have to lose.
	And they have to lose to Donald Trump.
	Because I do think there is something genuinely symbolic about Donald Trump.
	Now, I wasn't initially a supporter of Trump, because in 2015, 2016, I didn't really see these things as clearly as I do now.
	But it's after a great deal of research and soul searching and just reading into what I think is really going on here, that it's become apparent that Donald Trump is something of an American icon in some way.
	He is aesthetically everything that a foreigner looks at America and sees.
	And for good and ill, for good and ill, like, you know, the traditional stereotype of an American to a foreigner may well be, well, he's quite brash.
	He's overconfident.
	Loud.
	Yes, but not in a spiteful way.
	It's sincere.
	It's archetypal.
	It's archetypal, but the American comes across in a very sincere and compassionate way.
	It's a way that you can, as a Brit, and I'm sure you have this experience, it's like Having to listen to your sort of successful younger brother or something.
	You know, he's bragging about how much money he made that year.
	He's like, OK, yeah, good, good, good.
	But Donald Trump really does represent this kind of iconic Americanness, this difficult to pin down, but it's a real aesthetic that you can see.
	And it's everything about him, the way he talks, the way he moves his hands, the way he addresses the opponents.
	And he is totally unbounded in his love for America.
	You can see it.
	Yeah.
	Like, this attempt to portray him as some sort of traitor is just ludicrous, and there's not a person on the planet that believes it, not even the Democrats themselves.
	They know that they are lying to you, and they've been lying to you for years.
	And they know they're lying, and you know they're lying, and yet they are still lying to you.
	So what does that tell you?
	That tells you they don't respect you.
	That tells you they don't care.
	They don't think you have the power to overthrow what they are creating in your country.
	And it was only two years ago, only two years ago that people can remember easily back.
	Well, hang on a second.
	When the scary orange man was in power, actually, everything was great.
	Everything was genuinely great.
	Like everyone had money in their pockets.
	No one was worried that Russia was going to start invading places.
	You had peace in the Middle East.
	He was making peace with North Korea.
	Like these things are genuinely incredible.
	Right.
	And so you can see that we have these two titanic forces in opposition.
	We have the forces and this, the reason this matters in England, in Canada, in New Zealand, in Australia, in Europe, in anywhere that we consider to be the free world is because I do think what we are looking at are these two titanic forces.
	One of internationalism, globalism, uh, that is, I think, and the other of patriotism and I think this was best portrayed.
	Do you remember that photograph of Angela Merkel leaning across?
	Yes, with Abe smiling at Trump and just this domineering washerwoman leaning in and Donald just sitting there like that.
	Exactly and Shinzo just behind him and like you could see this was the divide right there.
	These were the globalists looming.
	We need to unpack that taxonomy because we're still kind of struggling with the right labels to use, but you said a couple of words that I think are very, very useful.
	We're talking to Carl Benjamin, Sargon of Akkad, TheLotusEaters.com is the platform, the podcast, The Lotus Eaters.
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	Carl, let's dive a little bit into how you got to where you are today.
	For years I knew you as this disembodied voice behind a stylized drawing of a a Cadian legend, a king, a statue, if it were.
	And then you grew and grew like Topsy.
	What is your background?
	Because your podcast is very unusual because you're not one of these faux intellectuals or a person with lots of titles who has, you know, I went to Harvard kind of status.
	But you do throw in the odd, oh, as Kierkegaard or Wittgenstein said.
	So you're clearly a well-educated man.
	How did you get to the Lotus Eaters and the Sargon platform?
	Tell us a little bit about the Carl Benjamin story.
	Right.
	So I come from a very humble background.
	My father was a sergeant in the RAF before he retired a few years ago, and he had worked his way up from the very bottom because he came from a council estate in Yeovil, and my mother also came from a council house in Wotton Basset.
	So, very humble position.
	I was fortunate enough to do computer science at university when I was 19.
	There's a degree, but honestly, I found it really boring.
	And so I dropped out.
	And so I spent the next 10 or 15 years just working in just tech jobs, really, because that was what I had an aptitude for, until woke politics came for the things I like.
	So let's start at that point in time, how would you have described yourself politically?
	Well, I would have described myself as left wing, actually.
	But like, like, like Labour Party or that kind of thing?
	Yeah, I probably would have done.
	Although I have to say I wasn't politically very interested because it wasn't terribly interesting at the time to me.
	But it turned out that... Whose Maxim was it?
	It was Pericles' Maxim.
	See?
	He's doing it now.
	He's doing it now.
	He's dropping in a little Bowmo.
	Carry on, Pericles.
	Go ahead.
	You might not be interested in politics, but politics is very interested in you.
	And stolen by Trotsky.
	Yes.
	And it was, it was absolutely true.
	And once I became aware of this, I was like, right.
	So luckily I'd always taken a deep interest in history.
	I just, I'd always found it fascinating.
	And so even it just in my spare time, I would read history books, read, you know, the original texts of like Thucydides or Theodorus or whoever.
	It was just things I just found interesting, luckily enough.
	I'm just curious, and I'm sorry, this is a little nuanced detail.
	Who got you interested in that stuff?
	Because it's very rarely that an autodidact will say, oh, I just found Thucydides.
	Was there somebody who pointed you in the right direction?
	I'm curious.
	You know what?
	Weirdly, it was actually a video game called Rome Total War that got me interested in this.
	Because I was like 19 or something when this game came out, and I really enjoyed it.
	But I didn't know anything about Rome or Carthage or Greece or anything like this.
	And so I would just get, you know, a few books and then I realized that audiobooks existed and that was brilliant.
	And so I just started enjoying these things and it turned out that I was, because I was working in offices a lot, And I was doing a lot of, you know, computer work.
	No one really wanted to interact with you.
	So I could just have an earphone in my ear, listening to Caesar conquering Gaul or taking part in, you know, performing the Civil War as I was doing this boring desk work.
	And it turned out to be a very useful thing to have done when I finally decided to make a YouTube channel and start talking about the things that bothered me.
	And from that point onwards, I was like, right, I'm going to have to read a lot of philosophy to understand the threads of how we have arrived at the place that we're at.
	And in the most recent years, I've been studying aesthetics and storytelling a lot, because actually I think there's a lot of value there.
	And that's why when people chose Trump as their champion, it became evident that this was part of a sort of world historic story that was going on.
	And that's why I think This is genuinely important.
	You know, this is why I think it is Trump himself that is genuinely important.
	I don't think that the Democrats can be given the victory over him as they have been done, because it's not really him that they conquered.
	It's the American people that they conquered.
	And notice how they dispose of your country as if it is a conquered country.
	Notice how they, well, we're just going to loot your treasury.
	We are just going to take your money and pour it down the drain on any environmentalist boondoggle that we want.
	We are going to ruin you through inflation. - And open the borders. - Open, oh my, yeah.
	That's, what borders?
	What borders?
	A million a year plus coming through your southern border.
	That isn't a border.
	That is just an open patch of ground.
	And so it's, these people are acting as if you are a conquered country, like they have taken you.
	And the only person who's standing in the way is Donald Trump.
	And he is the champion of the American people that they chose overwhelmingly, in my opinion.
	But again, we won't go too far into that.
	No, no, hang on, let me just put it thusly and then everybody can make their own decision.
	You have to believe the following mythical narrative, that a decrepit old man who's been in politics for 47 years, who's had two brain aneurysms and campaigned from his basement, got more votes than the first black President of the United States.
	If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.
	He is the host of the Lotus Eaters podcast, lotuseaters.com, Sargon Avocad, Carl Benjamin.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	Carl, you've thrown out the, well, A, I always find it fascinating because, for example, I just hosted two weeks ago.
	They were in studio.
	I took them to a gun show.
	I took them shooting.
	The hosts of the Trigonometry podcast.
	Likewise, two Brits of a left-wing bent, Francis Foster and Constantin Kissin.
	And one of the things I find fascinating is that people like them and you have very, very interesting.
	Incisive things to say about American politics.
	And I'm kind of surprised that I have to go to foreigners for the analysis, which shouldn't be surprising given the best book on America was written by a Frenchman, Alexis de Tocqueville.
	But let's talk about what your findings are.
	And left and right wing have kind of broken down as taxonomies.
	You use the phrase, not globalists, you use the phrase internationalists, which I find interesting.
	And instead of nationalism, which of course the left has very effectively turned into a pejorative term since the National Socialists of the Nazi Party, you use the descriptor patriotism.
	Is this, are these more discreet It's interesting how you picked up on that.
	Not many people actually do.
	Should the adjective for politics in the UK and India and America be internationalists vice the patriots?
	Give us your expansion on that.
	It's interesting how you picked up on that.
	Not many people actually do.
	Yes, I think that the terminology that we use is very important because I've read a lot of leftist theory.
	And most leftist theory is based in the idea of expanding words to mean something they do not mean.
	And so one thing that the patriots can do is define their own terms.
	And this is genuinely a problem for people, what we'll broadly call conservatives, against the progressive wing of politics.
	Because the progressive wing of politics is very aggressive to define the term for their enemy first.
	Deeply uncharitable and unfair.
	And so conservatives have to take this linguistic battle very seriously.
	And so what is it that we are actually talking about?
	So I am personally talking about Those people who, uh, it was Roger Scruton who coined the term, but he used the term, uh, the, the somewheres, the people who belong somewhere, people who are in say America, Americans, they feel an emotional attachment to their country.
	You know, the, the, the local people in England and compare that to I call them the internationalists, but it could easily be globalists as well.
	That economist author used the phrase of the anywheres, right?
	The people who can function anywhere.
	So it's the somewheres vise the anywheres.
	For me... Just a quick thing to add on to that.
	The important thing about the anywheres is that you'll notice that they literally could be from anywhere and they could exist anywhere.
	Whereas when you see a Donald Trump figure, He couldn't come from anywhere.
	He can only come from America and he's like the avatar of America.
	Whereas Justin Trudeau is not very obviously Canadian.
	He doesn't actually think like a Canadian.
	He thinks like one of these universal internationalists who think that all mankind are the same and In some way, they've got a point.
	There are commonalities between all human beings.
	But then in other ways, there are lots of things that are distinct parochial cultural habits that we can recognize, even if we can't properly articulate what we mean when we say them.
	But we get the feeling, oh yes, Donald Trump's an American, But Justin Trudeau would be happy in China, as he has said before, and that's very peculiar to me.
	And also, their characteristics, their mode of functioning for a Trudeau, etc., is a negation, really, of the Westphalian system.
	If you can function anywhere, then you're the antithesis to the concept of nation-states functioning with discrete identities.
	And for me, and I'll just put this out there for you to ruminate on, For me, it came to me about two years ago, and I'm trying to understand the vituperation and the hatred that they have for President Trump and anybody who supports him.
	The dividing line, and it may be oversimplistic, but it seems to work, is the division is between those who love America and those who hate America.
	Between those who think America is a good thing, And those who think America is a bad thing.
	And I think the same thing stands for the UK or anywhere else.
	If you vote Brexit, it's because you love the UK and you think it's a good thing.
	You don't think the statues of Churchill should be toppled.
	We're talking to Carl Benjamin.
	He is, of course, Sargon of Akkad.
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	All right, so I want everybody, as I said, to watch your video.
	You can find it on all my social media platforms.
	Seven minutes, six and a half minutes on why it has to be Trump.
	My argument for weeks has been it has to be Trump for one very simple reason.
	I don't care who you pick, Ron DeSantis or anybody else.
	Nobody will have the commitment to take down the corrupt enterprise that is federal government the way that this man has.
	A man who, from the Billy Bush tapes to the first impeachment, to the Mueller probe, to the second impeachment, to the Southern District of New York assaults on his family, understands the power of the deep state.
	That's why it has to be him.
	God bless Ron DeSantis, but Ron DeSantis hasn't been, you know, attacked for six years by the FBI, the CIA, and the NSA.
	So that's my logic.
	Carl, let's get your take.
	How has the raid on Mar-a-Lago reverberated in the UK, for example?
	Are people still obsessing with, you know, the post-Boris environment, the illegals coming across the channel?
	Or did this send reverberations through the British people as well, like it did here?
	Unfortunately, British politics is essentially calcified into a Blairite chamber at this point, and so the raid on Mar-a-Lago wasn't recognised as the genuine Rubicon crossing moment that it was.
	I think your summary of why it has to be Trump there as well is a very good one.
	I think that there have been legitimate criticisms of Trump for being slightly naive when he first came into office.
	He governed as a moderate, which I think was to his credit, but that's because at the time I don't think anyone really knew the evil that lurked in the hearts of the Democrats, frankly.
	We did not know.
	We did not know that they were going to go this far, and it should never have gone this far.
	And the fact that they are still persecuting a previous president As if America is a banana republic.
	I mean, this is probably the most important part of the peaceful transfer of power.
	It's that the previous regime or administration, whatever word you want to use, doesn't feel that they are going to be politically persecuted by the state when they leave.
	And that's what ensures harmony and tranquility.
	And this is the most fundamental thing.
	The bonds of trust between Americans.
	It is so they know it's actually not just a piece of paper.
	It's written in the hearts and it's written in the way you treat one another, that this is how things should be.
	And what you're watching now is that being just torn up and torn out, looked upon and spat.
	It's just they are just it is the worst thing you can do if you want trust in the country.
	And then Merrick Garland coming out and saying, well, look, you're just gonna have to trust us.
	This was a good idea.
	It's like, sorry, mate.
	Sorry.
	It's gone way too far.
	This is disgusting.
	You all have to lose.
	This is a crucial point that attacking the elements, the key elements of the peaceful transition of power.
	Rends the whole fabric of peaceful transition and on top of that, it's even worse as you know, the El Salvadorian presidents just a few days ago.
	It's not just the former president.
	It's the head of the opposition because we know he's running.
	We know he's going to be the man challenging Biden or Kamala.
	So you're actually using the state against the person who will be the political candidate against you.
	Let me Try and keep tying the UK and the US together.
	An observer of this phenomena, the MAGA, Brexit, Modi, Orbán phenomena, said, again, there is a Rubicon element to the personal choices people made.
	And I've been told this by somebody and I have to test it with you.
	If you look at the Brexit vote, the biggest vote in British history, 17 what?
	17.3 million people said we're going to leave the EU.
	These people voted in many working-class districts that were dyed-in-the-wool left-wing Labour voters, and they said, no, we want our sovereignty, we're not going to vote with Labour, we're not going to toe the line.
	And this British observer said, the importance of that is, once you break with the establishment once, after 20 or 30 years of loyalty to your party, you never go back.
	You are now anti-establishment in your gene code.
	Is that being overly optimistic, or do you think there's something to that argument?
	Whether it's voting for the non-politician Trump or voting for Brexit, are we creating new constituencies in our countries?
	I think it might be too early to tell, to be honest with you.
	I would like that to be the case, and were I an unrelenting optimist, I might well just headlong agree with it.
	But I'm slightly cynical these days because I've been following politics for too long.
	But it could well be that that's the case.
	But I think that the most salient part, though, is that Trump and Brexit, they genuinely were the same phenomenon.
	And it was the local and the patriotic, the particular Aspects of each culture asserting itself.
	Brexit was a peculiarly British phenomenon.
	It was people in Britain saying no, decisions about Britain should be made in Britain and it is essentially treasonous to sign these off to a European power.
	That is the worst you can do in this country.
	And so, and again, for the establishment to tell any lie, take any action to try and overthrow this was disgraceful.
	And it is the same in America.
	You can see it with the Trump phenomenon.
	You just don't get politicians that popular if there's not some sort of spiritual energy behind it.
	If this wasn't a question of the general, genuine sort of civilizational movement that America is making against the very ethereal and decomposed, almost, kind of skeletal form of globalism.
	Because you'll notice that it's not Rich, right?
	It's not something where it, you know, it doesn't have a beautiful anthem.
	It doesn't have glorious marble buildings.
	What it has is glass and steel skyscrapers.
	What it has is people wearing, you know, finely tailored suits, but all looking the same and all sounding the same.
	Soulless.
	Soulless dead husks.
	The expert class and the billionaires as we had Bill Gates admit just two days ago.
	Bill Gates admits on a podcast he's the one who convinced Senator Manchin to betray the people of West Virginia, the coal miners, and vote for that $700 billion complete slap in the face to the American people.
	The billionaires!
	They're the ones.
	Yeah, nobody invites him.
	Go ahead.
	I was not aware of that, but I'm not trying to stigmatize billionaires, because I think you get billionaires like Elon Musk who are not aware of that.
	No, but he doesn't.
	For me, a Musk isn't a WEF guy.
	You're absolutely right.
	We're not pillorying billionaires because they're billionaires.
	We're pillorying a billionaire who convinces the senator from a working class coal mining state to screw the American people.
	Yeah, I mean, watching the crushing of Liz Cheney by the regular American... Don't steal my thunder!
	I'm going to ask you about Cheney in a second.
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	There's one aspect of all this, well there are many that we haven't discussed, That I wish to ask you on before we have to close this discussion that feels like it's lasted two seconds, not an hour, and kind of outrageous.
	We'll have to get you back, Carl.
	I'll get you on my podcast for a longer chat.
	Thankfully we're not on radio time.
	Let's do that.
	I love it.
	There's an aspect of this which is, of course, the experts.
	I want to play a little clip that I've been using as an evergreen that's about two weeks old here from the expert in America, a man who earns $416,000, the highest paid bureaucrat in the nation, earns twice what the president does.
	Play St.
	Fauci.
	And what I symbolize in an era of the normalization of untruths and lies and all the things you're seeing going on in society from January 6th to everything else that goes on, people the craving for consistency, for integrity, for truth and for people caring about people.
	They say Donald Trump has an ego.
	What I symbolize is integrity and truth.
	How much of everything we've discussed for the last hour, Sargon, is a revolt against the fake experts like Fauci?
	Now, that is perfect, in fact, because look at the very sanitized place that he is in.
	And he's speaking as if he is the progenitor of some sort of almost divine cosmic reality, whereas Fauci has been on both sides of each issue on the coronavirus pandemic from the start.
	He's been for Musk, he's been for against Musk, he said the vaccine would make you impervious to the virus, or maybe it would just be a small bonus or something like this.
	And it's just the idea that the experts have not been roundly refuted by their own Essentially, certitude when they come to this.
	If they had just approached the issue saying, well, look, we're not actually sure.
	It's all a bit up in the air.
	So here's some advice.
	But of course, you're a citizen.
	You get to make your own decisions with your life.
	Then no one would have any doubt in the experts because that's a reasonable position to take.
	However, that's not what we got.
	We got this is the case.
	This is the case.
	This is on every issue from day to day.
	And then when it literally 180s, I mean, the CDC now saying, well, there's no difference between a vaccinated and unvaccinated person.
	I'm sorry?
	How can you, as an institution of all places, come out and say such a thing?
	That's the anti-vaxxer position.
	Well, that's the science deniers.
	You're a science denier!
	Exactly.
	That is literally the science denial position, or it was until yesterday when they changed it, or whenever it was.
	And it's incredible that Fauci can represent what is essentially this kind of commitment to a narrative, right?
	They're sort of, again, this narrative that is always right, even though it may be proven wrong on a day-to-day basis.
	Like tomorrow, Fauci might change his mind completely, but he will consider himself to always be right because he only acts in the moment.
	He thinks, in this moment, I am right.
	No matter what happens, because I define myself as right.
	And that is just the expert class, in a nutshell.
	And it's not that they're necessarily stupid people, but fundamentally, I think what they're doing is, it's this ego trip that they have, where they can say, well look, we've actually got the megaphone of the media, and the censorship of Silicon Valley, that will constantly project whatever it is we say is true, and therefore, we don't need to be humble.
	We have the power of God, is what they think.
	And then on the other side you've got, again, the regular patriot who's like, well, I'm not sure, I don't have all the answers, but I do have some common sense, and I do live in the real world, and I can see for my own eyes, and I can remember your lies from yesterday, and so I think I'm not going to just trust you implicitly, I'll make my own decisions on that.
	Which is a much more reasonable, much more sensible position than someone saying, I'm right in all things, in all times, in all places, and have never been wrong.
	Which is Fauci's opinion.
	No, just one issue on the plasticity of truth in their hands and it's not just arrogance.
	I used to teach the military and here in the US and I used one case study, one of the few where we actually got it right in terms of analyzing a threat and coming up with a decent strategy, and that's of course the Cold War.
	And if you read the original classified long telegram from John Kennan, which became the sources of Soviet conduct article, there's a key passage where he says, you've got to understand the Politburo and the Communist Party For them, truth is, by definition, mutable.
	Truth is that which serves the interests of the party.
	If on Monday the sky is blue, but on Tuesday it has to be red, it is true on both of those days because the party has deemed it to so be.
	That's exactly what we witness with Fauci, with Birx, and everybody else.
	I get to define the truth, which is, of course, connected to everything else in postmodernism and what have you.
	All right, I promised we'd do this.
	We have to ask the question.
	And again, you know, I'm a Hungarian genetically, but I'm an American by choice, which means I have to be an optimist.
	I think there's a thread of pessimism somewhere deep down in Sargon.
	But can we draw A positive conclusion from the 37% trouncing of one of the political dynasties in the form of Liz Cheney just a few days ago.
	Well, I'm not a pessimist.
	I am an optimist.
	Good.
	I try to be a realist.
	Good.
	But when the stats, when the real reality tells you that the American people are clearly wide awake to the problems in their country and are on the march That's what a two-thirds landslide against a globalist, one of them.
	When you see that kind of swing, then you can tell that the regular Americans aren't right.
	I can feel it.
	And again, this is one of the things that the media and the left always try to trip people up on.
	And I tell you what, folks, go with your guts.
	Go with your guts.
	They are clever, they are good at words, and they are going to use them and all their training to bamboozle you so you feel flustered and you might make a mistake.
	But you know what?
	It's your choice when you vote.
	If you're looking at that person and think, right, instinctively, I don't really like that person.
	There's a reason for it.
	Right.
	But we see Trump.
	He's just being Trump.
	You know, when Trump's doing his rallies, he's just riffing.
	Isn't it just the best?
	Yeah, it is the best show.
	When he goes off script.
	I mean, you just have to be grateful that this man made politics fun again.
	Exactly.
	But that's because he's just speaking from his heart.
	Right.
	Because, I mean, Donald Trump's a lot of things, but I don't think he's actually Young enough to be able to hold a sort of double, like, life in front of so many people.
	You know, I think he's just, you know, he's a grandfather.
	No, no, no, let me tell you.
	I mean, everybody who ever meets me says they don't, you know, after we discuss, you know, counterterrorism and North Korea or whatever they, all they ever want to know is, what's he really?
	And I have to tell them, behind closed doors, if it's just the two of you in the Oval, it's exactly the same as in front of 60,000 people in a stadium.
	What you see is what you get.
	He doesn't have the Janus face, double face of everybody else in DC.
	And that's why they voted for him.
	And that's why he has more votes than any other incumbent president in history.
	OK, we're out of time.
	This is pathetic.
	I'll see you on the Lotus Eaters, my friends.
	In the meantime, follow him.
	LotusEaters.com, the podcast of the Lotus Eaters.
	He is everywhere.
	Sargon of a Cat on Getter, Truth Social.
	That was far too much fun.
	As ever, it's Friday.

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