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Sebastian Gorka LIVE: Can we stop the woke corporations?

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	Thank you.
	Well, I think I speak for all Americans and perhaps the world.
	President Biden, please get well soon.
	I mean, really, really get well soon, OK?
	Don't get sick, please, because I don't want the crazy cackler in charge, OK?
	I think she was doing cartwheels to work.
	But the thing is, he does look fine.
	He looks fine.
	And we know with this stuff, the symptoms are mild in this strain.
	And remember, thank God his wife is a doctor.
	So I think that's important.
	Hey, didn't I call her the crazy cackler?
	Isn't that my line?
	Greg Gutfeld saying, get better soon, Joe Biden.
	Why?
	Because we don't want Kamala the cackler to be the president.
	Welcome, dear friends.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	It's Friday.
	It's Ask Dr. G Anything.
	We have a packed lineup today.
	You can call in.
	And of course, in the second hour, we will be celebrating the Second Amendment as we do every single Friday.
	We'll have a very special one-on-one with none other than Vivek Ramaswamy, the man who wrote the book Woke, Inc.
	here on America First.
	You don't want to miss it.
	We're waiting for two in-studio guests to arrive momentarily from across the pond, but the breaking news literally Less than 10 minutes ago is that my former colleague, my boss, not only at Breitbart but in the White House, has been found guilty of criminal contempt of Congress.
	Yes, Steve Bannon, which is quite remarkable because the trial, I think, started, what, Thursday with jury selection?
	Met on Friday and there has been a summary judgment already brought, which means that he has been ordered The official word of the judge.
	He has been ordered to appear before the illegal January 6 witch hunt committee.
	Now of course he's going to appeal.
	There's a reason that we call him the Honey Badger.
	As you know if you've seen the viral videos of honey badgers being bitten by poisonous snakes and then waking up a few minutes later It's hashtag honey badger don't quit and that is the spirit of Steve Bannon.
	But what is the bigger conclusion that we have to draw?
	That the legal system in America, the judicial system, has been fatally corrupted in a political sense.
	It's very clear.
	The Constitution is explicit.
	If you wish to have a temporary investigative committee of the Congress, it must be constituted by members chosen by the leadership of the parties in Congress.
	And secondly, that committee can only have as its mission a subject relating to imminent legislative action of Congress.
	Those are the two requirements.
	Both parties must have their members on that committee because it has subpoena power.
	Because it's powerful.
	It has sworn testimony.
	It has investigators.
	And secondly, it can't be done on a whim.
	It must be related to tabled legislative action.
	Some bill on whatever the issue is.
	National security, the border, the economy.
	Corruption in a specific department of the federal government.
	This committee has neither.
	We know who the leader of the minority is.
	It's Kevin McCarthy.
	Kevin McCarthy gave the majority leader, that is Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the House, his names for people who should be on the committee.
	Individuals like Jim Jordan.
	Rock solid conservatives, members of the Freedom Caucus, who would push back individuals like Matt Gaetz, who take no guff.
	She just ignored it.
	Like the speech of President Trump during the address of Congress, she just ripped it up.
	Because she doesn't care.
	Because she thinks she's a force unto herself.
	And so she put people on that committee who are nominal Republicans.
	Individuals like Adam Kinzinger, like Liz Cheney, who have personal animus to the person they are investigating, to President Trump.
	Individuals who, well, as somebody sent me today, I have it in front of me.
	This is a letter from Liz Cheney to the people who live in her district as registered Republicans in Wyoming.
	And let me just read to you her letter because this is the person who is One of the leading figures of this committee.
	Dear friend, God has blessed America.
	But our freedom will only survive if we protect it.
	If we take our duty and our obligations seriously.
	And she writes the next bit as a Republican.
	As someone who has the letter R behind her name.
	Let me finish this, guys.
	Just get the guys wired up and then I'll tell you what to do.
	This is what the letter says.
	I also know at this moment we are confronting a domestic threat that we have never faced before and that this former president who is attempting to unravel the foundations of our constitutional republic, our former president is attempting to unravel the foundations of our constitutional republic And he's aided by Republican leaders and elected officials who have made themselves willing hostages to this dangerous and irrational man.
	So send her some money.
	That's the person who is a nominal Republican on the committee.
	And what else do we have?
	We have no legislative purpose.
	None!
	As a result, it is an illegal committee.
	That's why I did not comply when I received a copy of the subpoena for my phone records sent from the January 6th Committee, 26-page subpoena, to my phone carrier Verizon.
	Not just my phone records as somebody who had nothing to do with January 6th, just a former deputy of the president, but my wife's phone records.
	My children's phone records.
	I consulted with people I trust, patriots, legal professionals.
	I hired a lawyer.
	And I sent a letter to Verizon, to the committee, saying, no, I'm fighting this in court.
	It's exactly what Steve Bannon is doing.
	Now, my case has been pushed and pushed and pushed.
	They're biding for time.
	Steve Bannon is, of course, a high-visibility individual.
	They hate even more than me.
	And so they have found him guilty today of criminal contempt.
	And they're going to force him to appear before an illegal committee.
	Let's be clear what's really happening today.
	This is meant to intimidate you.
	It's not about Steve or me or even President Trump.
	It's meant to intimidate you.
	And they don't care the consequences.
	Last night a friend of the show, a combat veteran, New York's Congressman Lee Zeldin, was attacked at a campaign event.
	Thanks to his quick reactions, he neutralized a person who lunged at his neck with a device that is designed to attack the jugular.
	It's a weapon, an edged weapon, that a Marine jumped on top of the individual, clearly a Democrat, and zip-tied him.
	That person has been released from jail without bail in New York.
	This is the reality.
	They know no limits.
	They use the system against those who dare to politically disagree with them, and then they have nothing to say when violence erupts.
	In fact, they facilitate it by releasing perpetrators back into the community.
	These are weighty times, my friends.
	Weighty, weighty times.
	And we will discuss them all with our guests in studio momentarily.
	I'm Sebastian Gawke, a former strategist to President Trump, member of the National Security Education Board, wherever you are, whatever you're doing.
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	We'll be back in a moment.
	We'll be back in a moment.
	We'll be back in a moment.
	We'll be back in a moment.
	Thank you.
	Hi, this is President Trump, and Sebastian is really a friend of mine.
	He's a great guy.
	He's been with me from the beginning.
	Listen to him.
	We all learn.
	Come on!
	The President says listen to me.
	You gotta listen to him!
	Thank you, Mr. Trump, President Trump.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First.
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	Now, you may be surprised, I do have a sense of humor, a little bit more than Mr. G. Jeff, do I have a sense of humor?
	You don't have a better sense of humor than me, come on.
	I do have a better sense of humor!
	But you don't!
	Eric!
	Eric, who's got a better sense of humor, me or Mr. G?
	Your job hangs in the... You watch sci-fi!
	I watch science fiction, what's that got to do with my sense of humor?
	You don't have a sense of humor, you're watching weird movies.
	Eric!
	Uh, you are a fellow Monty Python fan, so I'm gonna save you.
	Ah, thank you.
	Saved, of course.
	I laugh at Monty Python.
	Therefore, I must have a sense of humor.
	Here's the question.
	Is a comedy, is it alive?
	Has it survived?
	Has it been killed by the Wokarati?
	Let's look at somebody who actually is funny.
	Play clip.
	My mum came to this country 40 years, guys, as a first-generation immigrant, unable to speak the language.
	Two years ago, she voted Brexit.
	I know, I know.
	And when I asked her why, her response was, Francie, it's because there are too many foreigners in this country.
	It's like she got to the UK border, turned around and went, No, no.
	You're not coming in.
	Don't look.
	Britain's full.
	Goodbye.
	Now, I briefed the director of the CIA, the president of the United States, the commandant of the Marine Corps, but I could never do that.
	I could never make people laugh as a stand-up comic.
	Francie there is Francis Foster, and he is half of the dynamic duo.
	Can't believe they're in studio.
	I'm going to just fanboy out here.
	It is the lads from Trigonometry, the podcast.
	Cross the pond.
	We've been waiting a long time.
	Constantin Kiss and Francis Foster, welcome in studio.
	It's a pleasure to be here, Seb.
	Thanks for having us, Seb.
	All right, now I'm going to embarrass them royally because they said they'd be here on time.
	They were late.
	I had everything ready.
	I had Bakewell cherry tarts.
	Amazing!
	I had angel slices, typhoo British tea, and they kept me waiting!
	We did.
	We flew all the way over from England, we were seven minutes late.
	Yes, I know!
	It's outrageous!
	Because of some people in New York.
	Are they Mr Kipling?
	Yes, of course they're Mr Kipling!
	You spoil us!
	I know!
	Only the very best.
	By the way, did you like Seb's approach of bullying subordinates into claiming he has a sense of humour?
	I like that.
	You should try that out.
	That's the way to do it.
	That's the way to do it.
	You never make fun of Anton, ever.
	You never, live, make fun of him.
	No, that is very true, but you've seen the size of him.
	He's small, but he's ferocious.
	He looks rather athletic, and I finally met him.
	We'll keep him behind the camera because, you know, a little bit of suspension there of a disbelief.
	Right, gentlemen, superb to have you in studio.
	You've got a brand new book.
	We'll discuss it momentarily, but first things first, what brings you to America, guys?
	Well, we wanted to come over here because Constantine is promoting his book, but because we love America.
	I love America.
	Constantine does.
	And America is where things happen.
	And we wanted to meet people.
	We wanted to interview guests, meet different people like yourselves.
	We've got a connection.
	We became friends over the internet.
	But it's not the same as being in front of people.
	So we did that.
	And we're also going to go on a whole bunch of shows like yours and a few others.
	So we're really looking forward to it.
	Yeah, man, it's an exciting place to be, you know, just being around.
	I can see why you moved from the UK as well, because here, when you tell people something good is happening in your life, they're actually happy for you.
	This is not how we do things in Britain.
	It's weird, you know, this is literally, I met you for the first time, what, like seven minutes ago?
	Yeah.
	But I'm so happy for your success as two former stand-up comedians who said, this political correctness is out of control, launched a podcast, what, three years ago?
	Four years ago.
	Four years ago.
	And now, I mean, as far as I'm concerned, I'll say it live in front of 3 million listeners plus all the viewers.
	Best UK podcast.
	Of any topic.
	Thank you.
	I mean, I'm a political guy, but you have an honesty and you have an authenticity that I think is peerless.
	But let's stay on this issue of why you're here.
	I find it fascinating how much of your show is about our politics in America.
	Well, that's because your politics in America influences everything around the world.
	I mean, it's one of the things I talk about in the book.
	In Britain, people now started saying that we are a nation of immigrants.
	And that's just because that's what we heard on American TV.
	People, we just regurgitate American culture, and we think we live in the same place.
	Actually, quite different places, but that is the power of American culture around the world, which is why it matters so much what happens here, because what happens here bleeds out into the rest of the world, and we are all dealing with the same stuff that you're dealing with here.
	And listen, we're influenced in a positive way by America but also all the nonsense that you have in your country it's over here now yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it travels it travels we say it starts the craziness starts in California then it infects the rest of America and then it travels across the pond and elsewhere however I have to say for those who don't know you know well everybody knows who's listening to me I am a You're a traditional conservative.
	I don't like the word Republican.
	I grew up under Maggie Thatcher.
	My parents were refugees from a communist country.
	You come from immigrant families yourself.
	You were born in Russia.
	Your mother is from Venezuela.
	But neither of you would describe yourselves as conservatives, correct?
	No, correct.
	Labels, you can eschew them.
	I don't like them in general.
	But if you had to put yourself under a label, what would it be politically?
	Well, my label is I don't want to be part of a tribe.
	That's my label.
	I think the tribalism is the problem.
	I understand why a lot of people cling to that and think it's important.
	And certainly, if you want to achieve electoral success, you have to have a team, right?
	You've got to have a team.
	But we are not trying to be political activists or actors.
	We are just journalists, comedians.
	We try to have conversations.
	And I think being on a team makes it more difficult to have a good conversation because everyone suspects you of having some kind of agenda and there's always...
	Things you're expected to say.
	Right, exactly.
	Whereas we stay away from political.
	We get invited to meet ministers and we try and stay as far away from that as possible because we're not trying to be power brokers in the political world.
	We want to be outside of that, looking in.
	And when Boris Johnson, the Conservative leader, is doing something bad, we will mock him.
	And when the Labour leader is doing something bad, we will mock him.
	That's what I think the culture needs right now.
	People are willing to step out of the two-party system.
	Do you have a label?
	No, I don't have a label, because the reality is the left has great ideas, the right has great ideas, and they both have bad ideas as well.
	What is wrong with just standing, observing what's happening, going, this is a great idea, this is a great idea, I don't like that, mm, I don't like that either.
	And this, the fact that suddenly we're being driven into these camps, It's not helpful, and it's really detrimental to society, because nowadays, we don't think of somebody as being, oh look, it's Seb, come and have a chat.
	Oh, Seb's right wing, he's conservative, therefore this means X. Somebody's on the left, therefore that means this.
	If we continue to go down this path, what we're going to have, and we're seeing it more and more, is society that is divided.
	Well, and also there's the more philosophical or, you know, epistemological question.
	Do these labels mean anything after Brexit, after Trump?
	What is right?
	What is left?
	I think, you know, the taxonomy is breaking down.
	We're talking to the lads of Trigonometry, Francis Foster, Konstantin Kistin.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	Stay on this channel. Stay on this channel.
	Oh, the last 18 months have been insane.
	I love those.
	Big fan of the Jaffa cake.
	So how's it been the last few months?
	Oh, the last 18 months have been insane.
	This country is going down the crapper.
	9.1% inflation, 2 million illegal immigrants, you know, surrender in Afghanistan, Sena al-Dafa in the White House.
	I heard something about him yesterday that is even more disturbing when it comes to his health.
	But apart from that... Apart from that I've got a new four year contract with Salem, loving the weekly TV show.
	Great to finally meet you guys.
	I mean, really, it's like, you know, mates have arrived.
	It's great to see you.
	Yeah, it's great to be here.
	And that point you made is so, you know, every time I tune in to you guys and I hear somebody dump, you know, here's a $200, you know, PayPal or whatever, I'm so happy for your success.
	Yeah.
	And it's, I think that's, that's quite an American thing.
	It is, but Francis and I, We've always cultivated that for ourselves too.
	And that's why one of the things that's amazing to us about being in America is actually we feel like we're surrounded much more by our people than we are back in the UK where it's all cliquey and bitchy and everyone's... Plus you've also, and I always bang on about this, you've got the class system as well.
	You know, everything is Oxbridge, everything is Cambridge, that upper level... I can't believe, I think it's even tighter than it was when I was a kid.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it's like the same bloody school they went to.
	Yeah.
	On both parties!
	And that's not to say you can't make it, because of course you can.
	But you come here, and there's just an energy about being here.
	And you just feel that this is where it happens.
	And it's so much more exciting.
	Eric, cut two.
	Come in with cut two.
	No liner.
	So who's doing the driving?
	I did the first hour and a half and then Anton took over.
	Are you enjoying it?
	The driving's really easy, it's just straight roads, huge cars, you know, we've got one of those GMC, a big GMC.
	Oh, good.
	Yeah.
	Good.
	Yeah.
	They're huge, you'd never see a car like that in England.
	You couldn't park it, there's no parking spaces big enough.
	People think Range Rovers are big.
	Yeah.
	No, no.
	All right, we've got a great day planned tomorrow.
	Can't wait.
	It just happens to be, we're going to pop in before we go shooting, the nation's biggest gun show.
	So we're going to stop off there first to show you what freedom looks like.
	I can't wait.
	That is going to be so awesome, man.
	Just pick up some ammo on the way and then we'll go shooting.
	Amazing.
	Yeah.
	That'll be awesome.
	Now, are you going to be fed tonight, do you think?
	I don't know.
	I just... Because if not, I was going to get some curry and have it at the house if you want to eat late or whatever.
	I think we'll probably grab something as we're driving over to your place Oh, okay And then do that Oh, Katie'll look after you, don't worry about that You sure?
	- Sure?
	- Yeah, she's just done a big shopping.
	That was Dougie. - Dougie was top form.
	Turns out if you get a few cocktails into him, you get some great stories.
	- I bet.
	- I bet.
	- Yeah.
	- Thank you.
	- Thank you.
	- Thank you. - Thank you. - Thank you.
	Thank you.
	The good thing about being called a Nazi comedian, right, is I've now got a niche.
	I've got my voice, I've got something to write into.
	Problem is, I haven't got any racist, sexist, homophobic jokes.
	I'm actually quite a progressive guy, like some of my best friends are gender fluid lesbians of colour.
	I don't get on with all of them, I'm just unprogressive, so I have to, you know, fill the quota, that's what it's about.
	He's got his full quota of gender, fluid, lesbian, LGBTQ, LMNOP friends, but he's also a Nazi, a comedian, allegedly, despite being a Jewish-Russian-Brit.
	He's Constantine Kissin, he's half of the dynamic duo that is the Triggernomedy podcast, and they are with us here in studio, Frances Foster as well.
	Constantine, let's tell everybody out there listening, your claim to fame, is it before you started Triggerpod that you had that incident at the college?
	Shortly into it.
	So you are still stand-up comedians, you're earning a crust like that, and you go to a college comedy club?
	Well, no, these guys saw me performing.
	These students saw me performing at a comedy club in London.
	They invited me to help them raise money for charity, and when they did, they sent me a contract which said they had a zero-tolerance policy on racism, sexism, classism, ageism, ableism, homophobia, biphobia, transphobia, xenophobia, islamophobia, anti-religion, anti-atheism.
	And it also said, Seb, that all jokes must be respectful and kind.
	So you can make jokes about who?
	Like, white heterosexuals?
	As long as they're kind?
	I don't know.
	Well, unless you insult their religion, apparently.
	It was pretty crazy.
	So what did you do?
	What made you famous?
	Well, I turned it down.
	I tweeted about it to, like, at the time I had, like, three followers or whatever.
	It just happened to go viral.
	And it took off from there, really.
	And the reason I say in the clip that I got called a Jewish Nazi is because another comedian, this is the stage we've kind of got to, another comedian was critical of me for turning down that contract.
	And that's what she called me.
	Saying you should have given in to the censorious posts.
	Right, and how dare you turn this down, etc.
	So where is this at right now?
	So I've been saving this on my desk for a couple of days.
	This is the latest.
	This is from Minneapolis, something called the First Avenue, an iconic concert venue, that canceled Dave Chappelle's show literally hours before it occurred, saying they have to have a safe environment for their employees.
	Now, this is perhaps, right now, the best live comedian in America.
	I mean, he is our Eddie Murphy of the current age.
	Is this still happening in the UK?
	Is there anybody standing up to it who doesn't have the kind of range and podcast that you have?
	Give us the sit-rep of what's happening.
	Okay, so the things are actually even worse in the UK because what we have now are stand-up comedians being investigated by the police for jokes that they tell on stage.
	So there is a comedian, he's actually very famous, he's a very good comedian as well, called Joe Lycett.
	Joe would describe himself as incredibly mainstream and incredibly middle of the road.
	He's quite a camp comic, does observational material.
	Very funny.
	Anyway, he told a joke on stage.
	He's not edgy in any shape or form.
	Got home and a little knock from the police saying that they wanted to talk to him about his joke because somebody had made a complaint.
	And then the police opened an investigation into him because of this joke.
	To charge him with what?
	Being offensive.
	Being offensive is illegal in the UK now, Seb.
	And who defines what is offensive?
	What if I say Boris Johnson's haircut is offensive to me?
	Can I do a citizen's arrest?
	Well, you're mocking the right.
	That's fine.
	You can mock the right.
	Oh, okay.
	You can mock the right, but it's when you start to go into other territory, that's where they become very uncomfortable.
	You say that, Francis.
	I mean, cast your mind back only a few years ago, where Joe and Brand made a joke about Nigel Farage.
	Oh, that is true.
	Right, she made a joke about Nigel Farage.
	She was investigated by the police, which is why we've been saying it doesn't matter which side you're on, if you're a comedian, how you're supporting or defending this way of... So let's go back in time.
	I was born in 1970 and, you know, the age of comedy in the 70s and 80s was for me the high point, OK?
	Whether it's Bernard Manning or the two Ronnies.
	And there, it was offensive.
	I mean, the stuff Bernard Manning did was offensive.
	Did society collapse?
	Did the UK cease to exist?
	Were there riots because of Bernard Manning?
	But you know what's interesting about Bernard Manning is that anytime you talk about freedom of speech in comedy, they immediately use Bernard Manning as an example of offensive comedy, and you say, well, that point isn't even relevant anymore because he's been dead years.
	Yeah, and no one does that kind of material.
	But Seb, this is one of the things that, as you know, I talk about in the book, which is once you decide that words are violent... Yeah.
	This is the inevitable conclusion.
	Once you smuggle that idea in, everything else follows.
	If what you are doing by joking is being violent, then of course we should have the police on you.
	And by the way, we live in a country in the UK where the police barely investigate burglaries and all sorts of other carjackings.
	That's not fair, mate.
	You get a crime reference number.
	You get a crime reference number and you can claim Claim insurance.
	But if you misgender someone on Twitter, the coppers will be right at your door.
	He's so smooth.
	I mean, he's much smoother than my American guests.
	He just very subtly mentioned the book.
	And he's right to do so.
	I know, but really, it was just kind of touching.
	If you're not going to do it, I'm going to do it, right?
	I invited these people into my studio.
	It's called An Immigrant's Love Letter to the West.
	I've read it in printout.
	It's amazing.
	Guys, you've got to read it.
	It is.
	It had to be written, basically.
	It had to be written.
	We're going to talk about it momentarily.
	But first things first, you've got to pay the rent.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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	For some reason, the printing times are so long in America that my book won't come out in hardback until next year.
	Well that's absurd.
	It depends who you go with.
	My publisher can get you out in six weeks.
	Right.
	So is your publisher going to do it here?
	Yeah, no, no, they are going to do it here.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And by the way, breaking news, but very personally to me, the book is on the Sunday Times Bestseller for this week.
	It will be on Sunday.
	I did it.
	We did it.
	No small thanks to people like you, by the way.
	I appreciate you pushing it.
	Yeah, so number five on the Sunday Times Bestseller.
	That's your turn.
	He's got a stand-up talk.
	I've got a stand-up talk.
	One step at a time.
	One step at a time.
	By the way, Seb, we need to do something with you for one of our biggest fans and supporters.
	She's a huge fan of yours.
	Not Bloody Skies.
	No, Laura Smart.
	Laura Smart.
	So we'll need to do a little photo or something to send her.
	Or a little video.
	Yeah, we'll do a little video.
	That'd be awesome.
	It's a great little studio you've got.
	Yeah they just built this because they've created this TV channel so that you know you can watch us on Roku because we have six national hosts so we've got a whole day's worth of programming from 6 a.m.
	to 9 o'clock and so they're They're turning radio into TV so they built this for me.
	Was Larry another one?
	No, Larry was until he left us to do a podcast, some video podcast with Epoch Times.
	He did that about a month ago.
	Dennis Prager, Hugh Hewitt, Charlie Kirk, Mike Gallagher out of New York.
	Brandon Tatum.
	That's our national roster.
	That's some cool people.
	I love Salem.
	And it's doing very well, isn't it?
	Very well, yeah.
	And under COVID, we did better under COVID.
	People were like, they wanted information.
	They wanted content.
	And they wanted content that wasn't what they were getting from the mainstream.
	Well, yeah, I mean, you know, everybody did their homework.
	I was, I didn't talk about, I didn't make a decision on COVID for four or five months.
	I had to do, I didn't know anything about, you know, SARS viruses.
	So, but after that I said, hang on a second, let's talk about masks.
	Let's talk about vaccines.
	So, and we have, we have one host who's like, Oh, there he is.
	There's my guy.
	Good job.
	How's your new show going?
	Please.
	Oh, there he is.
	There's my guy.
	Good job.
	How's your new show going?
	Good?
	Very well, thank you.
	I heard good.
	Thank you.
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	But I want to tease the next hour because we're really excited about this as well.
	Have you watched the terminal list?
	That phenomena?
	The eight-hour TV show about the SEAL on his revenge?
	Well, guess who we're going to have.
	We're going to have the creator, former SEAL Team Sniper, Jack Carr, will be with us in the second hour.
	You don't want to miss it, so do not touch that dial.
	All right.
	He's been so subtle, he's mentioned it twice.
	That's why he's here in studio.
	We've got to talk about his book.
	First book, right?
	First book.
	Just made the Sunday Times Best Seller list.
	Yep.
	Congratulations.
	It's called An Immigrant's Love Letter to the West.
	It is superb.
	I've read it.
	Constantin Kisin.
	Let's start with, why did you write this book?
	Someone should.
	Yeah.
	Someone needs to say it.
	Why?
	Why?
	Because only people like me nowadays are allowed to say the things that I think people in the West need to hear, which is this is not the worst place in the history of the world.
	We're not the most racist country.
	We're in fact quite the opposite, whether that's the United States or the UK.
	And I'm frankly getting quite tired of people talking down these great civilizations.
	And at a time where we can't afford to engage in this naval engagement any longer, as you well know, Seb, with your career, we are in a dangerous time internationally and we have to be on top of our game.
	And if we spend the entirety of that time looking inward and beating ourselves up over things that happened many hundreds of years ago in a way that's ahistorical and inaccurate and fails to give us the full picture of what was happening, we're going to take eye off the ball and we're going to end up in a lot of trouble.
	So people like me, I feel immigrants, people from minorities who don't agree with this stuff, have an overweight responsibility to say something about it.
	And it's an amazing story, especially how you ended up at age 11 from Russia in the UK and how you got to learn the values of the West as a free human being who'd left the Soviet Union or the former Soviet Union.
	But I want to critique the book.
	I have issues with it.
	Number one, You give too much ammunition to our enemy.
	I mean the second half of the book is the ten ways to destroy the West and I understand what you're doing and it's a it's a nice device kind of updating Saul Alinsky but it leaves me hungry for the the what what now what what do we do to defend it because you're like the doctor who's prescribed who's diagnosed exactly the ailment You've shown how the disease can go even further to kill the patient.
	What next?
	And I know you're doing it every day with the podcast, but if there's a series, if there's a sequel to the book, where would it begin in terms of what do we do about the self-hatred in the West?
	Well, I think one of the things we need to do, and I talk about history an awful lot in the book, and I know that you're a student of history as well, we have to teach our children history properly.
	Not through the lens of colonialism or, you know, America.
	We have to understand history as it was happening around the world all at once, and we don't do a very good job of that.
	And also, this may be more UK-specific, but we have a problem with the housing crisis, which prevents young people from... No, no, it's the same here.
	Right.
	So if young people can't settle down, can't have a family, they're not going to be... If you can't make a down payment on a house.
	If you, I assume, would want them to be conservatives.
	Well, if you want them to be conservatives, then the next conservative administration of this country has to make sure that people are able to buy a house.
	And also...
	Again, this is something that sometimes people on the right don't want to hear, but wealth inequality is a problem.
	And it doesn't matter right, left, up, down, it's a problem.
	And if you have a society in which young people feel like they cannot get on with their life, even in a country like America, where I still believe, just like in the UK actually, if you work really hard, you can make it, you can achieve it, whatever.
	But at the end of the day, it's getting harder for young people.
	But you're not arguing for redistributed wealth?
	No, I'm arguing first of all for meritocracy, and I'm arguing for eliminating corruption from the system when it comes to things like the housing market, where it's about profiteering, it's not about allowing people to buy a house.
	We've got to a point in the UK where people buy houses not to live in them, but as an investment.
	That's good for those people, but if you want a cohesive society in which people have families and children, you need to deal with that.
	I mentioned in the beginning that, well, you're a teacher formally, but you're both comedians.
	You're going back on the road as a stand-up comedian, Frances.
	Would you share a little bit with our listeners and viewers, what has it been like for you in the last four years?
	What has happened to your being ostrous?
	I won't even steal your thunder.
	How have you been treated by your fellow comedic thespians?
	My fellow comedic thespians.
	So the first thing you've got to know is that there's always a minority of people who have been very supportive to us and they, you know, they say, really love what you do.
	Just not going to say it publicly.
	Yeah, don't ask me to say it in public.
	Yeah, just don't ask me to say it in public.
	I'll share a message with you that I'll delete two minutes afterwards.
	But no, the problem is, is that the comedy industry has been completely crippled by wokeness.
	And I'll give you an example.
	So, the Edinburgh Festival is where you go and get noticed as a stand-up comedian.
	You go up, you do your show, you get noticed, that's how you get TV, radio... Some big names like Cleese, Monty Python, you name it.
	Yeah.
	Everybody goes through it.
	Everybody goes through it.
	Eddie Izzard, all these big-name acts, right?
	They all go there.
	That's how you get discovered.
	In 2018, the head of the Edinburgh Festival Awards, Nika Burns, said that she's looking forward... She did this in a public speech.
	She didn't even hide it.
	She's looking forward to the next generation of woke comedians deciding what is and what isn't acceptable on stage.
	Hang on, this is the person running the festival.
	Running the festival, running the awards.
	Saying she's looking forward to more censorship and deciding what you're allowed to laugh at.
	Yes.
	And it's not looking forward to woke comedians and this new wave of comedy.
	I would disagree with that, but at least she's going, oh, I'm looking forward.
	No.
	She's looking forward to the next generation of comedians deciding what is and what isn't acceptable.
	And response?
	Was there a response from normal people?
	Oh, clapping.
	Yeah.
	The response is applause, Seb.
	Because it's a very small industry in which a handful of gatekeepers all buy into this worldview.
	And they control the entirety of the comedy industry.
	And by the way, both Francis and I wrote on the biggest comedy shows in the UK.
	So we've seen it from the inside.
	It's not like we didn't get our chance and we're here to complain.
	We are delighted with our lives, but it's an observation that is a fact.
	And by the way, all the big shows that used to run on UK television, their audience have plummeted.
	Because instead of focusing on what we talked about earlier, meritocracy, they focused on other things.
	Yeah, and that's the problem, because the vast majority of people aren't on board with this.
	This is a tiny section of society, they're the upper echelons, they're highly educated, and what effectively they're doing is they're not creating comedy, what they're doing is creating a series of programs telling people how to think, how to feel, how to behave.
	And they're killing the industry.
	We're talking to the trigonometry lads.
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	And she said, okay, give me some relief factor.
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	You've got to take it twice a day for three weeks before it has any effect.
	So don't take it a couple of times for a week and say, oh, what happened?
	Three weeks.
	Those were good, those little clips I found of you guys.
	Yeah, they're great.
	Somebody put the subtitles, it was great.
	Yeah, it's from Comedy Unleashed.
	One comedy night in the UK was actually trying to not do the stuff we've just been talking about.
	Nicely done.
	All right, do we have any cuts I need to... What's a nice short one?
	Maybe the Fallon one, making fun of Biden being positive for COVID.
	How long is it?
	It's 11 seconds.
	Yeah, sure.
	Which one is that?
	That's cut.
	Yeah, come into it.
	Come in with it?
	Alright.
	Alright, I'm gonna get you to do a bit of performance art now.
	Alright.
	Kissing so get rid of it.
	The End
	The End The White House announced that President Biden has a mild case of COVID.
	On the bright side, it's the first positive news Biden's gotten in months.
	Ooh, that's edgy.
	That's comedy.
	Jimmy Fallon trying to get some laughs.
	I don't know if he's going to pay the price for that one.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First.
	It's my favorite British podcast.
	You've got to listen to it.
	Trigonometry, especially the raw versions.
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	It's Constantine Kissin.
	It's Francis Foster.
	He has a new book.
	It's called An Immigrant's Love Letter to the West.
	It's superb.
	It's just made the Sunday Times bestseller list.
	But there's something much more important that he did prior to the book, and it's called A Letter to My Newborn Son.
	We do not kneel.
	And I've picked the best parts of it.
	I read it all on air a while back, but I'm going to ask the man who wrote it to do a reprise because it is worth your time.
	Constantine, will you do the honors?
	I will do, although I did say to you when you read it live out on air that you did a much better job of reading than I ever could, so this is going to be second rate.
	You're the author.
	The glory is yours.
	Son, I wrote this letter during your first few days in this world.
	Your mother and I are so happy that you're here.
	Your grandparents, great-grandparents, aunties and other relatives are excited to get to know you.
	Even strangers who will never meet you send their congratulations.
	And it is one of their messages that I want to talk to you about.
	Most people, me included, have been trained to fit in.
	The very genes we carry have shaped us to fear stepping outside the group.
	As your grandmother used to say to me when I was a little boy, if you spit society in the face, society will wipe it off and carry on.
	If society spits you in the face, you'll drown.
	Good Russian saying, that one.
	And your grandmother was right.
	If you want to live a comfortable life, this is good advice.
	Fit in, don't ask too many questions, and keep your head down.
	But son, if there's one thing I've learned, it's that comfort is overrated.
	You've only been here a couple of weeks, so I do not yet know who your heroes will be.
	But when you choose them, you will notice that they're all extraordinary.
	They did something different, created something new, achieved something impossible.
	Keep working until you're one of them.
	Many years before you were born, I knew that you were on your way, and I refused to accept that little boys and girls like you should be taught that their skin color, sex, and sexuality make some of them better than others.
	I rejected this new cult, and I made it my business to oppose it.
	I will never accept, and I will never keep quiet about the awful idea that you're better or worse than others because you're a boy, or because you carry our genes, or because of the person you marry.
	This ugliness has been tried before.
	Our ancestors paid for it with their lives.
	We come from generations of men and women who refused to accept what they knew to be wrong.
	They refused to kneel, and they lost jobs and livelihoods for it.
	They went to prison for it.
	They've starved to death for it.
	We owe it to them to speak the truth.
	I will never stop honouring their memory, because I know they're watching.
	And so are you.
	It's a beautiful, beautiful piece of writing.
	I think it embodies what you gentlemen do every day with your podcast.
	You are courageous individuals.
	I doff my hat to you.
	It's an honor to finally meet you.
	Keep doing what you do, Francis Foster.
	Keep doing what you do, Constantin Kissin.
	Get the book.
	It is an immigrant's love letter to the West.
	Subscribe to their podcast.
	Follow them on Twitter.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	Next we're going to have up Jack Carr.
	Yes, the sniper who wrote Terminalist.
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	If you're into weapons that go bang or have edged elements to them, sharp objects, you are probably enjoying a internet phenomena that is Terminal List with Chris Pratt.
	I I watched all of it last night.
	As my wife fell asleep, I caught the last two episodes as well.
	I said, I gotta see this before my Friday guests arrive.
	Why?
	Because it's the man who wrote it.
	None other than U.S.
	Navy SEAL Lieutenant Commander Jack Carr.
	Welcome to America First.
	Thank you so much for having me on.
	It's great to talk to you.
	All right, we're going to talk about the genesis of the book, the genesis of the TV show, Chris Peratt's involvement.
	But first things first, I got to get straight to it.
	As a gun guy, as a guy who, you know, likes edged weapons, talk to me about why hatchets?
	Talk to me about it.
	I can see it on the wall back there.
	Is this the rediscovery of a primal weapon?
	What does it mean to you and to the guys on the teams?
	That's exactly it.
	I happen to have one right here, actually.
	Nice!
	Yeah, Winkler, Sayoc, Tomahawk right here.
	That's the one from the show and from the books.
	But when I was creating the character, I wanted something kind of like the 21st century Rambo knife.
	Those of us who grew up in the 80s, of course, remember that being a very important element of that series.
	And I thought, what is the weapon that I can associate with this character that also tells a story about him?
	Tells us that he is a student of warfare, but also that it applies it in a modern context.
	So I thought that Tomahawk, we go back of course, well really to the beginning of time, but Yes.
	in America to Rogers Rangers and those rules.
	I mentioned hatchets, of course.
	I've been fascinated with hatchets and edge weapons since I was a little kid.
	And also, a lot of people carried them downrange in Iraq and Afghanistan.
	So I thought this was a weapon that I can associate with this character that really tells a story about him.
	So Tomahawks it is by Daniel Winkler out there, Winkler Knives in North Carolina, who also did the Tomahawks and Blades for "Last of the Mohicans." Alright, I am gonna check out Winkler's knives right now because I am an owner of one of the original Lyle Rambo knives from the first movie, and I have a Neely version from Rambo 2 as well, so I'm gonna have to up my game to hatchets, I think.
	That's pretty nice.
	I'm in the market.
	I'm looking.
	All right.
	I'll keep my eyes peeled for you if I find an original Lyle from the first movie.
	Okay, let's talk about the book, Runaway Success.
	It is the terminal list.
	It's the first of many.
	When was it written and how did it get made into this new TV show?
	Tell us the back story.
	Yeah, backstory is that from my very earliest days, I wanted to serve my country in uniform, specifically as a SEAL.
	Found out about SEALs at the ripe old age of 7.
	But then by about age 10, I was reading the same things that my parents were.
	And a lot of that had to do with the fact that in the 80s and into the 90s, a lot of the protagonists and main characters in thrillers, on TV shows, in movies, had a Vietnam background in special operations, either as Army Special Forces guys, maybe they were a Marine sniper, CIA paramilitary, or Navy SEALs.
	So I'm reading books by Tom Clancy and David Murrell and Nelson DeMille and A.J. Quinnell and J.C. Pollock and Mark Olden and all these guys that had these protagonists with that background, a background I wanted in real life one day.
	And I had such a great experience reading these novels that I knew one day after my time in the military, then I would write these types of thrillers.
	So as I crept up on that 20-year mark in the SEAL teams, and I started enlisted as an enlisted SEAL sniper and then became an officer about six and a half years in and finished up as a lieutenant commander, But after my last deployment to Iraq, I realized, Hey, if I stay in, I am going to come back as a commanding officer.
	And that really means I'm back in the tactical operations center and I'm allocating assets and, um, essentially managing.
	I'm not kicking doors in with the guys.
	And that's what I came in to do.
	Also, my family needed me.
	We have a special needs middle child.
	So it was very clear.
	It was time to get out.
	And I was very fortunate that I knew exactly what I wanted to do.
	Which was right, thrillers.
	And having read all these guys growing up, what I was really doing was giving myself an early education in the art of storytelling from the masters.
	So during my last year, year and a half, when my mission in the Navy became to get out of this gigantic bureaucracy, I started writing.
	And I sent it to Simon & Schuster.
	After I got out, a couple months after I got out, and Emily Bessler at Emily Bessler Books, Atria Simon & Schuster, loved it, and wanted to publish it.
	So, published, and before it hit shelves, though, a friend of mine from the SEAL teams called me, and I was actually at Thunder Ranch Shooting School up in Oregon, on the range, and I get this call from my friend Jared Shaw, who I had not talked to in five years, and first he asked if I remembered him, which I did, and then he asked if I remembered what I did for him in the SEAL teams, and I couldn't remember, and he said, hey, you're the only person that sat Down at your office, you introduced me to people in the private sector, talked about transitioning out of the military, and then you checked up on me.
	You're the only person that did that, and I always wanted to thank you.
	And I said, no problem.
	How's it going?
	And he said, it's going great, but I heard you have a book coming out.
	And I said, yeah, I have this book coming out in a few months.
	I can send you an early copy if you'd like.
	And he said, I'd like that, but I'd like to give it to a friend of mine.
	And I said, who's that?
	And he said, Chris Pratt.
	So he gave it to Chris.
	Chris read it at the end of December in 2017 and called the first week in January wanting to option it.
	So off we went to the races.
	Alright, well guys, you've got to watch it.
	I'm not going to give away any spoilers right now.
	It's rather different.
	In the next segment, we'll discuss what's different about this lead character.
	And, you know, the character that is played by Chris Pratt.
	But first things first, I need you to explain a little bit about the Frogmen, because I've worked a little bit with them.
	I've briefed the guys at Damnech, but I've spent most of my time with the guys in the Q Course at JFK, the Green Berets at Bragg.
	And these are different cultures.
	Very, very different to me.
	You know, all warriors.
	Total, total warriors.
	But the seals are different from the green berets, and the green berets are different from, you know, the airborne, you know, the rangers and everything else.
	Give us a couple of words, a couple of adjectives, for what's special about the Frogman community.
	Well, we all have, we all have, there's some blurred lines there.
	So we share some mission sets.
	I would say that we focus on different mission sets, even though we share similar ones.
	Army Special Forces, of course, is known for language capability, being able to go into a foreign country, build up a military to either overthrow a government or that sort of thing.
	The unconventional warfare side of the house.
	But when you're talking about irregular warfare, of course, and you have direct action missions, you have special reconnaissance, you have counterproliferation of nuclear, biological, chemical weapons, counterterrorism type missions.
	So there's all these different mission sets.
	And each group tends to focus a little bit differently because of their history and some of their experiences.
	But really, the proving ground for a lot of us was Vietnam.
	And that was really a watershed moment in special operations history.
	Of course, we trace our lineage back further than that, but Vietnam is really where, as a SEAL community, we came in to our own.
	I wasn't clear.
	I'm not talking about the different mission sets, IWV, UW, or DA, and everything else.
	I'm talking about characters.
	There's a different characteristic.
	SEALs carry themselves differently from Green Berets.
	What would you say is the difference in comportmental, because there is.
	They're different.
	You can spot one.
	I'm sorry.
	I mean, you can spot a SEAL, and I can now spot a Q Course graduate, and it's different.
	It's different.
	Don't you agree?
	I do, and I use this gear, clothing, vehicles to develop my characters in the novels, but just like you, I can see somebody that would walk here onto the property, maybe, and I'd say, ah, okay, gator sunglasses, hat turned backwards, flip-flops, shorts, okay, knife clipped in the pocket.
	I can be like, okay, that's a seal.
	And I can see somebody else come in and say, okay, little different type of a hat, different type of necklace.
	Oakley's exactly what I was going for Oakley's dead giveaway so and I can tell that's you gotta have the Rolex Submariner you're right you gotta have the Rolex Submariner okay very popular so you can definitely tell but it's been so fun for me to get to know both when I was in the service and now after A lot of special forces guys.
	I was just on my podcast actually with the guys that started Horse Soldier Bourbon.
	I just got off with them, the fifth group guys that started that, the horse soldiers from back in the day, the first in.
	So it's really a community that now, especially after the last You can tell I love this stuff, guys.
	Come on, get into the groove, read these books.
	much anymore as I think we may have before September 11th and maybe shortly thereafter.
	But it's really a brotherhood.
	You can tell I love this stuff, guys.
	Come on, get into the groove.
	Read these books.
	It's Terminal List, The Terminal List, True Believer, Savage Son, The Devil's Hand in the Blood.
	And just go to the website, Official Jack Carr, that's C-A-R-R, Official Jack Carr.
	And you can follow him on Twitter at Jack Carr USA.
	We're going to dive a little bit into this internet phenomena that is the terminalist TV show on Amazon Prime.
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	Yeah, can you turn the mics off?
	Thank you.
	Right, Best Defense Foundation.
	Mic's live.
	Okay.
	So you sound like you're a busy guy.
	A lot going on.
	Yeah, working on the sixth book.
	Working on the deal for the second season.
	We'll see if that happens or not.
	A bunch of other projects.
	I thought they already optioned it, no?
	Well, they have the option.
	Now they just need to figure out if Chris's schedule and Amazon's checkbook and, you know, if they can come to some sort of an agreement there.
	We'll see.
	I hope so.
	But, you know, if it doesn't It's still, it's been, it's a thrill.
	I couldn't be more thrilled with how it came out.
	Oh yeah.
	Alright, so we're gonna talk about that.
	Rescue 22.
	Rescue 22.
	You're a busy guy too, I see you everywhere!
	Ah, you know, you know, it's, you can sleep when you're dead.
	Do you want me to open the lines for C?
	Uh, sure, yeah, do that.
	I used to have that written on a yellow sticky note next to my bed when I was training to go to Bud's.
	Alright, 60 seconds.
	That scene with the 400 pound log, that was pretty intense.
	Yeah, that was a good one and Amazon was a little nervous about the gutting scene as well.
	I'm sure!
	I'm sure they were.
	Although they handled it quite subtly.
	If you weren't paying attention, you probably didn't work out what was going on.
	Right.
	That's mostly for fans of the book that didn't think that we'd do it.
	And there's a lot that ended up on the cutting room floor, though, that was quite a bit more graphic.
	I bet.
	Thirty seconds.
	Thirty seconds.
	Knock on anything, sub?
	Sorry?
	No.
	All right, kill mics.
	All right, kill kill mics.
	All right, kill mics.
	Mr. Grokka, it's an honor to talk to you.
	I'm also an immigrant since August 9, 1968, and I love this country.
	This country owes me nothing, and I owe it everything.
	That's why I served.
	Wow.
	This is America First with Sebastian Gorka.
	The best listeners, guys.
	That line from that listener, an immigrant, a veteran, this country owes me nothing.
	I owe it everything.
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	We are back with Lieutenant Commander, U.S.
	Navy SEAL Jack Carr, the author of Terminal List and numerous other books you need to read today.
	We're going to talk about the foundations he supports, but now we have to discuss Chris Pratt as Commander Reese, the hero?
	Or is he a hero?
	I don't want to give it away, but this is... What do you call him?
	Is he a hero?
	Because he gets up to some pretty dark stuff, Commander.
	He does.
	He does.
	And to me, he always is.
	He's the protagonist.
	He's the main character.
	He's the hero.
	It was interesting when the show came out to hear people label him an anti-hero or ask the question about is he an anti-hero, which is a more popular term from the late 90s in popular culture onward.
	But to me, yeah, he's a hero.
	He's the little guy.
	He's the person the establishment wants to crush and, in this case, actually kill and remove from the battlefield.
	But, of course, they mess with the wrong person.
	And he has this skill set, but he also thinks he's dying, and that was important to me because growing up in the 80s, that voiceover that they would have in the movie theaters before trailers, it would always say something like, He has nothing left to lose.
	And I always thought, well, he could die or he could go to prison or there's all sorts of things to lose.
	And I really needed to put a modern day warrior in essentially what the ancient samurai would, would do.
	And that, and that sort of a mindset, and they would go into battle thinking they were already dead because they thought that made them more effective and efficient warriors.
	So I thought, how do you do that in today's day and age?
	And I went back to the church hearings of the seventies and some of the, uh, some overreach by certain agencies in the federal government.
	Testing of drugs on prisoners, on mental institution patients, college students, and members of the military.
	And so I put that in modern day and put him in a situation, James Reese, where he thinks he is dying.
	And so he has to complete this list and use all the skills, but also essentially become the insurgent that he had been fighting for at that time, the last 16 years.
	Now it would be 20 years at war.
	So he becomes this insurgent using the tactics and techniques that the enemy used against us.
	I'm sure.
	I'm sure.
	Well, it is absolutely binge-worthy, guys.
	You need to watch it.
	Watch it tonight.
	and took out his family so it's uh it was very therapeutic to write on many levels i'm sure i'm sure well it is absolutely binge worthy guys you need to watch it watch it tonight i think i watched the last four or five episodes last night preparing for preparing for this interview my wife has to catch up on the last two she kind of you know she lost steam going there but she is going to watch tonight.
	I don't know.
	I have to ask you how So it's optioned by Chris Pratt even before the book comes out.
	He wants to make it.
	And I don't want to get you in trouble.
	I think it's going to be optioned for the second season.
	How hard was it to get to the screen?
	How hard was the political correctness to fight?
	Or were they saying, hey, we're just going to make this and Chris Pratt wants to pay for it?
	Well, you bring other production companies on that invest in it.
	And then Amazon, of course, is the big dog in the room there.
	I gotta tell ya, people like to dog Amazon quite a bit, but they came down on our side as far as all this stuff goes.
	On every single issue.
	And I didn't know what to expect walking into it because you hear all these things about Hollywood.
	But we were so lucky that we had Chris Pratt and Antoine Fuqua, the director, the two people that I wanted involved before they even knew that I existed.
	Those are the two people I wanted to lead this effort.
	And then we have a showrunner, David DeGilio.
	And all of us together, what we wanted to do was really make a show that would speak to those who have been downrange to Iraq and Afghanistan.
	They could sit there on the couch And they could say, this show is special.
	This one was made with me in mind because of this warrior mindset.
	And some of the critics do not like it, but it does have a 95% audience rating on Rotten Tomatoes.
	The viewers absolutely love it, and that's all that matters.
	This is a fictional character.
	You're a real SEAL.
	Let's talk about fellow real warriors.
	What is the Rescue 22 Foundation, Commander?
	Yeah, so Rescue 22 Foundation was founded by a friend of mine, and what they do is they fully train service dogs for veterans of our armed forces dealing with the physical and emotional trauma of the battlefield.
	So, amazing organization, rescue22.org, and they just do incredible work and change lives.
	Obviously, through training of these companion dogs for people who sacrificed, put it all on the line for us.
	I think I actually met those trainers at SHOT Show last year.
	We still need to get them on the show, but please support this organization, rescue22foundation.org.
	And one more we wish to discuss, which has an amazing mission.
	What does the Best Defense Foundation do?
	Right, so they're taking veterans, right now World War II veterans, back to the battlefields on which they fought to make peace with what's there, say goodbye to those who didn't make it home.
	My daughter and I just got back from Normandy this past June, where we took 23 World War II veterans, walked the beaches with those who stormed those beaches.
	We walked through towns with guys who jumped out over Normandy with 101st Airborne back then, others who crashed their gliders in with the 82nd Airborne.
	And then fought all the way to Berlin through the Battle of the Bulge through these incredible experiences so that we could have the freedoms the options and the opportunities that we have here in this country today.
	Stand next to them and hear their stories.
	I need to go on one of those trips.
	Please also consider supporting that organization.
	BestDefenseFoundation.org.
	You've already committed to come back on the show for a longer discussion.
	We have our one-on-one interviews.
	We've got 30 seconds left.
	Commander, what is your message to those warriors, frogmen, members of the SOF or SF community who are still in and are now being assaulted by the wokeness inside our military?
	That is a tough one, but all you really can do is do what you came in to do, which is prepare for war.
	And that's our mission, is to be prepared for war when that call comes.
	And all those other things are just static, and it's tough to put that aside and focus on the mission, but really that's Your only option.
	So focus on that mission, be the best warriors you can possibly be.
	So when that call comes in, then you're there for your brothers to your right and your left, your teammates, your best friends as you go downrange.
	That's what you owe them, their families and the country as a whole.
	So keep at it, head down, keep crushing.
	The terminal list was the first.
	How many more have you written and what else can we expect in the future?
	Five books total right now.
	The fifth one just came out, In the Blood, this last May.
	We'll see if we get a second season on Amazon.
	I know everybody wants to do it, but you never know with schedules and budgets and all the rest of it.
	So we shall see about a second season, which would be true believer.
	But I have a podcast, Danger Close Podcast, two a week.
	Those drop.
	But for me right now, it's about making the sixth book the best it can possibly be, because that's my goal each and every time is to get better at my craft.
	Quick question.
	Favorite AR platform?
	Guys, Bravo Company stuff's pretty good, but there's so many great AR platforms and companies out there.
	I saw that Bravo Company charging handle in one of the close-ups on the TV show, so I thought I could guess what it was.
	Okay, it is the terminal list, True Believer, Savage Son, The Devil's Hand, and In The Blood is the latest.
	God bless you, thank you for your service.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka, your cause next here on America First.
	All right, that was great. that was great.
	Let's get you back for a longer chat in a couple of weeks' time.
	That was superb.
	Thank you.
	All right, God bless.
	Okay, mics are on. mics are on.
	Titles!
	Hang on a sec.
	yep back
	back back back back
	back back back back All right, what do you want to say?
	Yeah, what do you want to say about it?
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Um...
	Wherever you want to go Thank
	you.
	Are you coming in with anything? - Yeah.
	Uh, what should I come in?
	Um... Well, do you want to talk about the, uh, Zeldin thing?
	Come in with the Zeldin attack, Cut4.
	Alright.
	Hold on. Hold on.
	Hold on.
	What you are about to hear them say is mind-boggling.
	Here's looking at you, Snowflake.
	America first.
	Is our last stand for New York.
	And there's only, there's only one option.
	Why did they let him get up there?
	All done.
	That is the footage of the assault against Congressman Lee Zeldin by an individual holding a cat's paw, a defensive device that is meant to be hard to detect, was going for his neck.
	Lee stopped him, then a veteran Marine jumped on him.
	He was zip-tied.
	That assault against a Jewish Combat veteran, U.S.
	Army, who is a congressman now for New York.
	That is a federal crime to assault a congressman.
	That individual has walked free today without bail.
	It is an outrage, an utter, utter outrage Whilst Peter Navarro is putting leg shackles at Reagan Airport.
	That is the depth of depravity in our legal system in America.
	And you know who is responsible.
	Let's go to your calls.
	Line 1, Walter, California.
	Welcome.
	Oh, bless you, doctor.
	You sent me a book of yours, which I sent to my son, the major in the Marines.
	He is a first-generation Ukrainian-American, and so we are very concerned about losing track of the war there.
	And are you aware of the promise that was made to Ukraine by America to support them and give them what they needed?
	Yeah, it's called the Budapest Memorandum, when they very, very graciously gave up their They had the second largest nuclear arsenal in the world after the fall of the Soviet Union.
	They were convinced by us, the then administration, and the Kremlin, to give those weapons to the Russian Federation, after which we, along with Russia, would provide for their security.
	And of course, Nothing happened after they were invaded.
	So yes, I am sadly aware of it.
	We need to support them in their fight for their independence.
	Please stay on the line, Walter.
	We know... Go ahead.
	We know that in 2012 Putin promised... I mean...
	Obama promised Putin his flexibility.
	Yes, he said more flexibility after the election, of course.
	We know all of that.
	If there's real Russian collusion, that's it, Walter.
	You nailed it.
	And thank you for reminding all of our listeners.
	Stay on the line.
	The book that you sent to your Marine Corps son, we're going to replace it and send you a copy of The War for America's Soul.
	Thank you for those very, very timely reminders.
	Line 2, Al, California.
	Is this DPM Gorka?
	It may be.
	What's your question for today?
	Okay, do you wear hearing protection when you shoot?
	I do, yes, I do.
	That's why I can still hear after all these tens of thousands of rounds.
	I'm starting to lose my hearing in my left ear.
	It might have been from shooting 30 years ago.
	Final question.
	I've been watching the last two or three days.
	I can't find anything in depth.
	No interviews on that Indiana guy that shot that bad guy in the mall.
	Have you heard any more about it?
	No, I haven't.
	I have put Mr. G on the case because we would love to have Eli Dickin on the show.
	I know Carl Rittenhouse is asking for assistance to connect with him, so we'll see who gets to him first, but I would love to interview him.
	Eli, or if anybody who knows Eli Dickin is out there, get in touch with me, DM me on Twitter, or reach out to us here at America First, 833-334-6752, and we'll try and get him on the show.
	6752, and we'll try and get him on the show.
	Tom, Atlanta, line three.
	Hi, Dr. Gorka.
	I really would appreciate your comments and maybe assistance with this.
	So, we all want to be part of something, and if it's bigger than ourselves, that's always better.
	So, this has several parts.
	The pen is mightier than the sword, and that came from a guy named Edward Bulwer-Lytton in 1839 from some play.
	But, and that is true if you look at the mostly peaceful takeover of America by the cadre of crazies on the left.
	Um, and so I would like to thank you for being in the forefront of something that I'm thinking calling the Patriotic Education Network.
	And there's no real organization to it.
	You don't need no ticket.
	You just get on board.
	And the goal, obviously, is not a revolution, but a reclamation of America for God, family, and freedom as envisioned by our founders.
	So I believe a conscious awareness of such an even unofficial network can be useful for our cause.
	Well, there's lots of things out there like that, Tom.
	So, whether it's the new organizations that parents have created across America, like Moms for Liberty, with more than 160,000 members in just two years.
	Whether it's Prager University, the amazing work of my colleague Dennis Prager.
	There's lots of things out there.
	I'm not sure we need another one, but we need everybody who's listening to this show, like you Tom, to get engaged, get active.
	We don't need another organization.
	We need to be politically engaged.
	We need to be educating our fellow American, because it is up to us.
	You're absolutely right.
	So Maybe not another organization leveraging the ones that already exist and that's how we take back our country.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	And what's his title, do you know, Aiden?
	And what's his title, do you know Aiden?
	He is, I've got it right here, hang on one second, Aiden Johnston is Director of Federal Affairs, GOA.
	And his Twitter handle is at Real Gun Lobbyist.
	As opposed to the Fake Gun Lobbyists.
	How do you know that about Thingy, Jeff?
	Mic's on.
	Oh, he's on the phone real quick.
	Test, test, test.
	Go ahead and kill the mics, Jeff. - He was listed in a couple of news reports, but I can still try him if you want.
	Yeah, yeah, keep trying.
	Aidan?
	Aiden?
	Can you turn the mics off, Jeff?
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	But I would like to nail down some hard facts about what sequence of events he thought was going to take place such that he would end up as president, at least for another four years, if not president for life at that point.
	All right.
	Okay.
	And you'll tee up Cut 11?
	I will.
	Yep.
	All righty.
	45 seconds.
	Do you want to use the calm music here for the short read?
	Yeah.
	Yeah. Yeah.
	Yeah.
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	A viral video has been going the rounds for the last few days.
	It is from one of those remote video doorbell systems.
	And it shows a homeowner being challenged by local law enforcement by the looks of it and an ATF agent who, for some unknown reason, because he says you're not in trouble, says, I need to see the serial numbers of your firearms. I need to see the serial numbers of your firearms.
	All I'm doing is verify that you have it.
	All I'm doing is verifying that you have it.
	We got two different purchases.
	If you have them, I'm out of here.
	That's how quick it is.
	Yeah.
	Do you have them with you by any chance?
	If you can unload them and bring them out, or you can go out to your foyer here, check them out by shared number, and we're out of here.
	Like this?
	Yep.
	The reason we're out here is obviously gun violence has been an uptick, so we want to make sure we're having a lot of issues with straw purchases.
	One of the indicators that we get is somebody makes a large gun purchase, and then a lot of times we've been there and like, oh those guns got tooken.
	So the idea is when you purchase more than two guns at a time, it generates a multiple sale report.
	It comes to us and we have to check them out.
	That's all that is.
	He did nothing wrong.
	Absolutely zero.
	I noticed that you were stopped in Philly though, right?
	With one of your guns?
	So you can see it's an ATF agent, the other one is a state agent, according to what his vest says, and there's a third one standing in the yard who you can't identify.
	And he says, I'm here because I want to prevent straw purchases, which is buying a gun for somebody who can't legally own one.
	But predicated on what?
	With what evidence?
	Just because you don't like somebody buying three guns?
	I often buy multiple weapons at the same time.
	With what evidence would you come to my front door, ATF?
	Well, let's ask somebody about how disturbing we should find this.
	He's the Director of Federal Affairs for the Gun Owners of America, Aiden Johnson.
	Welcome to America First.
	Hello, thank you.
	Thank you for having me on.
	I appreciate it.
	So, I don't know if you've looked into this case anymore.
	What do we know about it?
	And even if we don't have any more information, how disturbed should we be at this footage, Aidan?
	So, this is absolutely outrageous.
	Between the existence of a multiple sales report and the background check for 4473 that you fill out when you go to buy a gun, the ATF has nearly a billion records of gun owners and their firearms serial numbers in a digital searchable database in West Virginia.
	And this video shows exactly why the ATF has no business with a list like that, because they can use it to come to your door and to enforce various gun laws.
	So in this case, they were just doing a quote-unquote friendly checkup to make sure he didn't commit any straw purchases.
	But if he had had one thing out of line, he would have gone straight to jail.
	And, you know, Delaware just passed an assault weapons ban, and they have universal background checks.
	So, you know, the ATF could team up with state law enforcement just like this and go door-to-door checking just to make sure that everyone who bought an AR-15 still owns their AR-15, and if they transfer it to anyone without a background check, which I think is their constitutional right to do so, then they would haul them off to jail.
	This is a very dangerous example.
	I have to ask, we love your organization, Gunneros of America.
	What advice do you have right now for people who may be the next person who has the ATF and a state trooper knock on their door?
	Who haven't committed any crime, but the state wants to check up on them?
	Well, you need to, you know, you have a right not to incriminate yourself, and I would certainly call a lawyer and talk to an attorney before I, you know, spoke to an ATS agent like that.
	I'm glad this man seems to have, you know, walked away from that incident okay.
	But it's also really important for everyone who owns a gun and cares about the Second Amendment in this country to pay attention to what's going on with ATS.
	gun registry for a long time people said that ATF has a gun registry that background checks will create a list of gun owners and you know it was seen as a conspiracy theory but just this year GOI put out a report and It's, you know, almost 50 pages of detailing how ATF's registry, ATF has a database that is searchable, it's digital, it's centralized, and has almost a billion records in it.
	And tell us what is the latest on Capitol Hill.
	We see a lot of Democrats who don't know the difference between an arm brace and a bump stock.
	What is the most disturbing thing that's happening in Congress right now?
	So as you just said, the House Judiciary Committee just marked up the assault weapons ban of 2022.
	This bill may come to a vote as early as next week.
	Right now, things are looking very dire.
	Nancy Pelosi cannot lose more than four votes or else You know, she can't get this to pass.
	But this is the first time an assault weapon ban was marked up in 30 years.
	This is an extremely dangerous place for gun owners to be in, given that the Senate just had 15 Republicans stab gun owners in the back and pass gun control.
	And then, you know, last week, the House also passed an anti-gun amendment to the National Defense Bill and the Active Shooter Alert Act.
	So, you know, we have — everyone who owns a gun, again, and cares about the Second Amendment should pick up the phone and call their elected representatives and tell them to vote no on this assault weapons ban.
	And, you know, at the hearing, as you said, there were representatives — the representatives who sponsored this bill who thought that an arm brace meant for stabilizing a firearm if you are a disabled shooter.
	would actually turn an AR-15 into an automatic weapon.
	This is absolutely ridiculous.
	They have no idea what they're talking about and yet they want to ban most commonly owned self-defense firearms in our nation.
	It's utterly embarrassing.
	Call your congressman.
	Call your senator.
	Join the Gun Owners of America.
	That's gunowners.org and follow our guest Aiden Johnston at Twitter on at real gun lobbyist.
	That's at real gun lobbyist.
	Thank you for everything you do.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	Let's go to one of our callers who's been waiting very patiently in New York City.
	Rick, welcome to America First.
	Hello.
	Hello again, Sebastian.
	This is Rick again, New York City teacher for 26 years.
	I spoke to you a couple of weeks ago.
	It seems like every other day we see another rainbow hair-colored he-she talking on TikTok proud of how they're indoctrinating our kids in kindergarten and first grade.
	Hang on, hang on.
	This is perfect.
	Let's talk about it.
	We have proof right here.
	This is a second grade teacher on TikTok talking about how she is indoctrinating her children.
	Cut three.
	Okay, so it took a couple days for me to make this TikTok without crying, because that's what I do.
	Please ignore the dog bone crunching behind me.
	Anyhow, one of my students felt safe enough to share his pronouns with me.
	And when he did so, once the class knew that I knew, they all switched pronouns.
	They're second graders.
	Like, I'm torn between being really, really happy to be a safe space and just absolutely furious that an entire group of second graders has to keep this secret from not safe people.
	Her whole class, Rick, quote, switched their pronouns in secret.
	And this is exactly what I was talking to you about last week.
	I speak up.
	You see, I've been doing this for 26 years.
	I don't stay quiet.
	I speak up.
	I stop giving to the union.
	I don't need my keys anymore.
	I think I have the antidote for this, but it's going to take a lot of effort, maybe even help as far as advice from people like you.
	I spoke to Jay Sekulow the other day.
	All right, you've got one minute.
	What is the antidote?
	Share with us.
	We're going to have to pull these people from within the unions.
	They're in cahoots with the education department.
	So I'm planning here to start creating teachers' unions, which is centrist for those who are Democrats but are in the center, and conservative.
	And if they were afraid, we have to go to them and fight with them.
	The C is going to try to say that we, that they have already deals with the UFT.
	But the contract is over this year.
	So my point is, if you have no contract, There is no law against having two units.
	We have three units in the schools.
	We have the principal's union, we have the people in the kitchen, and you know, so we're going to have to try to do this and implode them from within.
	I love the idea.
	We have to discuss this at greater length.
	We do need new unions.
	We have to break the monopoly.
	Have sensible ones that aren't helping the indoctrination.
	Stay on the line.
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	We'll be back with the one and Vivek Ramaswamy.
	We'll be back with the one and Vivek Ramaswamy.
	We'll be back with the one and Vivek Ramaswamy.
	We'll be back with the one and Vivek Ramaswamy.
	Let me say it again.
	The 2020 election was the most secure election in American history.
	Let me begin by asking a very simple question.
	Do we know the truth about what really happened in the 2020 election?
	I think millions of Americans know something went wrong, and they have little pieces, and no one's really put it together.
	I'm agnostic on this question, and I am awaiting more information.
	If I believed the president were a Nazi, I might steal an election.
	Bold accusations require bold evidence, and they haven't seen it.
	We have been working on something big.
	Show me the money.
	Can we meet?
	I've been working with Greg Phillips.
	He has a deep background in election intelligence.
	True The Vote has the largest store of election intelligence for the 2020 elections in the world.
	No one has more data than we do.
	We identified in Atlanta 242 mules that went to an average of 24 drop boxes.
	But Philadelphia alone, we've identified more than 1,100 mules.
	What is a mule?
	This is not grandma out walking her dog.
	Bad backgrounds, bad reputations.
	They are interested in one thing, that's money.
	This is organized crime.
	in no way, in no time, is that legal.
	- This is organized crime.
	- Do you have video evidence?
	- Four million minutes of surveillance video around the country.
	- What you're about to see is disturbing.
	So this is 1 o'clock in the morning.
	Don't we all vote at 1 o'clock in the morning?
	One night, this person, this mule, went across six counties to 27 different drop boxes.
	I call it the Mexican Mafia, seriously.
	Because they work like that.
	This is jaw-dropping.
	What you showed is frightening.
	It's just sickening to me.
	Now we come to the most important question of all.
	Was the magnitude of vote trafficking enough to tip the balance in the 2020 presidential election?
	It's not a leap to say this would have made a difference.
	They have ruined election day in the United States of America.
	That's provable.
	And that's enough for me to fight the left with every fiber in my body.
	Without free and fair elections, we are not a democracy.
	We are a criminal cartel masquerading as a democracy.
	Two Thousand Mules.
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	Virtual premiere May 7th.
	Stream May 8th at Salem Now or Locals.
	Welcome, dear friends, to America First One on One.
	You know my backstory.
	If you're a loyal listener and viewer, you know that I came to America 13 years ago.
	Ten years ago this year, we're having a big party this weekend.
	I became an American citizen.
	I chose this nation.
	And my parents escaped communism.
	So for me, this is the greatest nation on God's earth.
	And for many years, when people said to me, Communism's coming!
	Communism!
	Socialism is coming to America!
	I said, oh really?
	Let me talk to you about communism.
	Let me talk to you about the secret police officers that tortured my father, that put him in solitary, and gave him a life sentence at the age of 20.
	I don't make fun of them anymore.
	We may not have the gulags yet, but there is a Marxist rhetoric coming straight out of the White House.
	If you don't believe me, listen to the man who sadly bears the title President of the United States.
	To the companies running gas stations and setting those prices at the pump, this is a time of war, global peril, Ukraine, These are not normal times.
	Bring down the price you are charging at the pump to reflect the cost you are paying for the product.
	Do it now.
	Do it today.
	Your customers, the American people, they need relief now.
	It's those wicked, greedy gas station owners!
	Where have we heard rhetoric like that before?
	Let's ask somebody who has probably one of the shortest bios on social media, and I love it.
	It says, capitalist and citizen.
	Vivek Ramaswamy!
	Welcome back to America First!
	Good to see you.
	How you doing?
	I'm doing well.
	It's been really hard to get you on this show.
	I think we've had President Trump on twice in the meantime trying to get you back on.
	But you're a busy man because you've got a very, very important message.
	You've got a new book coming out in September.
	You've got a new company.
	We'll talk about all of that.
	But let's start at the beginning.
	As somebody who is a proud capitalist and citizen, This language that we've been hearing at the moment out of this administration about the greedy, greedy gas station owners.
	Why can't you just sell it cheaper?
	Am I reading a little bit into it when I say this smacks of systems we've seen fail elsewhere, Vivek?
	I don't think you're reading too much into it at all.
	The only thing you might be missing is a bad understanding of how markets actually work that this president suffers.
	But what he forgets is that this is actually the direct product of their own policy agenda.
	I'll remind you that he said in September 2019, he made a campaign promise.
	The campaign promise was, I guarantee you, we're going to end fossil fuels.
	That was the quote precisely.
	Well, guess what?
	That seems one campaign promise he seems pretty intent on delivering on.
	Cutting permits for drilling in, say, Alaska.
	Over a million acres of land leases cancelled just in the last few months.
	You have a refinery expansion in the U.S.
	Virgin Islands that was ultimately cut.
	A lot of actions that have constrained the ability for the U.S.
	oil and gas sector to be able to produce.
	Guess what happens in the laws of supply and demand when you cut down supply?
	Prices go up, especially when demand stays flat or demand goes up.
	So when prices go up at the pump, I think it reflects a deep misunderstanding of how markets work.
	When you have a president of the United States issuing a wishful order to companies in the private sector as though in a competitive economy, they can voluntarily coordinate to lower prices, when in fact, it's been the public policies that that administration has advanced, combined with the ESG movement in the private sector that they support, which we can talk about later, but those factors are exactly the Biden policy agenda that led to higher gas prices in the first place.
	And I think the first step to a solution is to at least be able to talk about these issues in the open freely.
	Yeah, it's like the bad version of President Trump's promises kept.
	He made promises, get us off fossil fuel, get rid of all of this garbage, shut down the XL Keystone Pipeline, and he kept those promises on day one.
	However, I have to ask, I mean, we've seen the amazing statistics just this week that the majority of people with econ positions in this administration have no background in business.
	None.
	Zilch.
	Never signed the front of a check.
	And they're the people who are doing the economics policy.
	But even so, were you surprised, Vivek, this week, two days ago, we played the cut from testimony on Capitol Hill, where the secretary of transport, the guy who fakes riding on a bicycle to work, actually said the more pain people suffer as a result of higher actually said the more pain people suffer as a result of higher Pete Bootedge Edge said the better it is for people with their Teslas.
	Are you surprised that they're that disconnected?
	I'm not that surprised.
	I mean, you know, at the end of the day, I knew Pete in college.
	He was three years ahead of me.
	You know, he's a good guy.
	He's well-intentioned.
	I don't think his understanding of either economics or how to actually implement policy through the administration is necessarily up to snuff with the rest of his academic credentials.
	But we'll put that to one side.
	What I actually think we got to focus on is the ways in which A lot of what we're seeing is the intentional product of a policy agenda.
	And in that sense, there's a part of his statement that's actually honest.
	Now, I have my views on the merits of fossil fuels and their role in a vibrant American society, in any vibrant society.
	But whether or not you agree with my views, I think you at least have to be honest in acknowledging to people that this green energy transition comes at a cost.
	It comes at higher gas prices.
	It comes at the cost of subsidies for wind and solar and electric vehicles that increase the cost of capital for oil and gas projects.
	And I think what we're seeing from the administration right now is they've actually delivered on some of their campaign promises.
	Campaign promises I disagree with, but campaign promises like the commitment to end oil and gas in the United States But as they see the consequences of that economically, and as they see that possibly costing them politically starting this November, they're starting to say that no, actually, that wasn't part of the agenda they wanted either way.
	And so what I think we need to do is to actually air the issue for open debate.
	Let's put it out in the open and say that maybe if you're in the camp that really believes That climate change poses an existential threat in the next 10 to 15 years, that we need to dramatically shift to wind and solar, which, by the way, we're going to do very little to fight climate change, no matter what your views are.
	But if that's your view, great!
	Accept these consequences, own it, and say, this is the cost of the green energy transition, and these are the sacrifices that everyday Americans are going to have to make.
	Stick to the position and own it.
	But you can't have it both ways.
	On the other side, where I fall on the other side of that debate, to say that actually there's much more effective ways to fight for a clean energy agenda, much of that is through domestic oil and gas production here in the United States.
	Because you know what happens when you cut fossil fuels in the United States?
	Russia and China and other countries pick up the slack in a global market and people forget that actually U.S.
	oil and gas production is far cleaner than oil and gas production and coal production in places like China.
	But let's have that debate in the open rather than actually trying to now walk back, put the toothpaste back in the tube by saying that actually we want gas prices to come down magically because we blame oil industry profits for giving us those high gas prices.
	That's a myth.
	You mentioned the acronym ESG.
	What does it stand for, Vivek, and how does it fit into this discussion?
	So this is the lurking demon underneath the discussion that conservatives and liberals both miss, okay?
	ESG stands for Environmental, Social, and Governance Factors.
	Sounds benign enough, and it's an approach to describing how investors are to allocate their capital in the private sector, and how investors are supposed to exercise their voice as the shareholder of America's largest public companies, or really all of America's public companies.
	In reality, here's what's going on.
	You have a small group of asset managers in the United States, asset managers like BlackRock, State Street, and Vanguard, just those three, by the way, managing over $22 trillion, that is more than the GDP of the United States, that are aggregating the money of everyday citizens across this country, probably most of the listeners of this program.
	And what they're doing is they're showing up then as the largest shareholders of companies like Exxon, and Chevron, and Disney, and Nike, etc.
	And telling them that they have to adopt a one-sided political agenda when it comes to climate change, emissions cuts to fight climate change, racial quota systems to fight systemic racism, social agendas on one side of the political spectrum, that most of those everyday citizens, the people whose money they're managing, actually disagree with.
	That is, I think, the biggest financial fraud of the 21st century.
	Large asset managers using the money of everyday citizens To advocate for policies that most of those everyday citizens disapprove of.
	In the financial universe, it's what you call a fiduciary breach.
	In common language, it is the equivalent of, I think, a large-scale financial and ideological fraud.
	And yet, they've managed to dupe both sides of the political spectrum into submission because liberals, who used to be skeptical of corporate overreach, are now saying, well, maybe we're going to be okay with that type of corporate power being exercised because they're advancing the values that we love.
	And conservatives have actually, at least some of them, been duped into submission by saying that, you know what, we all said all along that the free market can do no wrong.
	This is just the free market doing its work, not the government, when in fact it's not the invisible hand of the market, but the invisible fist of government that's actually guiding that market behavior.
	So that's what this is all about.
	Right.
	We're going to talk about just how much we don't have a free market in America.
	If you want to know more about the ESG phenomena, my guest and his co-author, Alex Acosta have written a piece in the Wall Street Journal.
	I'm going to post it right now on all my feeds.
	Biden's ESG tax on your retirement fund.
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	Yeah, we're not.
	Here, I think this is thanks to Project Veritas, this is a video from an in-corporate all-hands meeting from Disney.
	With one of their chief executives who talks about things if I were an executive I wouldn't be talking about inside an all-hands meeting.
	Play cut.
	I'm here as a mother of two queer children actually, one transgender child.
	and one pansexual child, and also as a leader.
	One of our execs stood up and said, you know, we only have a handful of queer leads in our content.
	And I went, what?
	That can't be true.
	And I realized, oh, it actually is true.
	We have many, many, many LGBTQIA characters in our stories, and yet we don't have enough leads.
	That woman, that executive at the top of the chain, is talking about her pansexual children at a staff meeting.
	Later, one of her colleagues talks about her not-so-secret agenda to gayify the products of that corporation.
	Call me old school.
	I don't talk about the sexual habits of my children when I'm at a business meeting.
	But help me out, Vivek.
	You wrote, you literally wrote the book Woke Inc.
	Where did this come from?
	What is the transmission belt for this politicization of corporate America?
	Because you call me naive as far as I'm concerned.
	Corporate America has one job.
	Provide me a service or a product at the best price.
	That's about it.
	Was it the hiring of the gender study graduates who then worked their way up to the heads of HR, or is it a little bit complicated?
	You've mapped this out, so how on earth did this insanity occur?
	Well, look, it took a whole book to explain it because there's not one silver bullet.
	But one of the underappreciated causes was actually the 2008 financial crisis.
	So I remember this because I got my first job at a hedge fund in New York City in the fall of 2007.
	It was on the eve of the 08 crisis.
	And what happened with the 08 crisis was something really interesting in this country.
	It was the beginning of a political realignment where, historically, The left was actually really mad at what happened with Wall Street.
	They got paid a lot of money when times were good.
	They got bailed out by the public when times were bad.
	I was an opponent of the bailouts myself.
	But what happened was that Occupy Wall Street was on Wall Street's doorstep.
	And Wall Street, and eventually big business in this country made the same move along with them, said that, you know what, we don't want to talk about systemic financial risk, but we'll talk about systemic racism instead.
	You know, Occupy Wall Street is a tough bill to swallow.
	But the new woke stuff is actually pretty easy, right?
	Applaud diversity and inclusion, you put some token minorities on your boards, talk about the LGBTQIA plus movement, fly in a private jet to Davos after you, you know, you go to a fancy ski town to preach about the racially disparate impact of climate change.
	It's a pretty good gig if you can get it, as long as the old left looks the other way when it comes to leaving our corporate power structure intact.
	That was kind of the cynical arranged marriage between that new left and big business in this country.
	So they thought, let me just tease this out a little bit, the people who wanted to make money, the people in power inside corporate America said, this is going to be a sinecure, this is just going to be a little placation of these people and then we can get on with business.
	But it worked.
	It worked so well that they started doubling down on it.
	So Silicon Valley saw that that worked for Wall Street.
	What do they recognize?
	They say that, hey, you know what?
	The threat to monopoly power and breaking up big tech, that used to come from the left.
	You know, these Republicans over here, they're not going to bother us.
	They believe in the market anyway.
	They love companies.
	Let's do this.
	We'll agree to take down hate speech or misinformation or moderate content that that left doesn't want to see online, as long as they agree to look the other way when it comes to leaving our monopoly power intact.
	And again, that trade worked well enough.
	Then Nike and Disney and Airbnb and Coca-Cola and Delta and the rest of corporate America started getting on the act, right?
	If you're Coca-Cola, you'd rather talk about teaching your employees how to be less white or make some statements about a voting law in Georgia than you would about the nationwide epidemic of diabetes and obesity, including, by the way, in the black community that they profess to care so much about.
	This was a convenient trade.
	It was an arranged marriage, but not of love.
	It was more like mutual prostitution.
	And, Sebastian, the net result of that was the birth of what I call this woke industrial complex, a new force in modern American life that was far more powerful than either the private sector or big government alone, because it was a hybrid of the two that together could do what neither of them would have ever been able to accomplish on their own.
	Therein lies the birth of the modern Disney.
	And, by the way, the lurking sort of ghost behind all of this is actually the largest asset managers in the world.
	We talked about them before in the case of the ESG movement.
	But one of the things to look at in the case of Disney of why they've taken this turn is look at who Disney's top shareholders are.
	The top three shareholders of Disney are those same firms I mentioned before.
	Blackrock, State Street, and Vanguard.
	And guess what?
	Those firms should be directing a company as a shareholder to say that, you know what, you're alienating your customer base, customer volume goes down, your stock has underperformed the S&P 500, knock it off and get out of politics and go back to solving problems for your customers and giving them great products and services.
	But they're not delivering that message because they're delivering a one-sided political agenda using the savings and retirement funds of everyday Americans to do it.
	So, as I said at the beginning, there's a complicated problem.
	There are many layers to it.
	Some of it's cultural.
	Some of it starts with the 2008 financial crisis and then behaviors that then continued thereafter.
	But the biggest problem today is that the parties who claim to be the shareholders of the company, and after all, Milton Friedman said that if you're a company CEO, you work for the shareholders.
	Well, the guys who claim to be the shareholders today are exactly the institutions that are demanding companies like Disney to behave this way.
	He has a way with words, whether it's talking about mutual prostitution or the woke industrial complex.
	I think we have a title for this interview.
	He knows of which he speaks.
	Vivek Ramaswamy, the last book is Awoke, Inc., the new one we're going to mention in a moment.
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	I'm awful at mathematics and econ and all that stuff.
	I know how to spend money.
	Ask my wife.
	I'm very good at spending money.
	But here is my naive question.
	Is there not a point at which The business interest says to the woke interest, no, we're not doing it.
	For example, let me take Hollywood.
	Hollywood is irredeemably woke, whether you look at what they've done to Marvel franchise, Star Trek, Star Wars.
	They've just destroyed these golden geese laying billion-dollar eggs.
	Then along comes a guy who says, screw the woke karate.
	I'm not going to have China censor my movie.
	I'm not going to have any woke message.
	And Tom Cruise makes literally a billion dollars in six weeks with Top Gun Maverick.
	Is there not a point at which the profit motive buttresses up against the woke-ification and the real businessmen say, basta, or is it too ingrained in the system?
	What is your prognosis?
	I think that there's a better way forward and we're hitting a tipping point now.
	And that tipping point is driven by the fact that times of excess have now receded into times of necessity.
	You take one good example, you're talking about Hollywood, I'll just pick this example in Hollywood.
	Netflix, okay, reported disastrous quarterly results earlier this year.
	Subscriber growth went down, profits went down, revenue went down.
	The stock price took a beating.
	Guess what Netflix did not too long after that?
	They sent a memo to their employees, adding the word excellence to the top of their company's cultural document, something that the company had never done before.
	And they also told employees to say that, you know what, if you're going to work on projects that we think have artistic merit that make you uncomfortable and you don't want to work on them, Then consider working at a different company.
	Look, I disagree with a lot of what Netflix has done over the last few years, but I also believe in calling out good behavior wherever I see it.
	And if a company is going to right the ship in the right direction, then I'm going to call that out too and praise them for it.
	But at the end of the day, what's driving this?
	It was the fact that they had a disastrous quarterly results.
	They had a disastrous economic trend in their business.
	They had a time of necessity.
	And I think that that's what we're seeing right now, where this market crash That we've been in the middle of this year, especially in tech stocks and in fashionable high-growth companies.
	That could actually be a moment for a cultural turning point, because part of what's driven this is times of excess over the last half decade or more of easy monetary policy.
	We've been skiing on artificial snow.
	Once the artificial snowmaker stops making the artificial snow, you have to ski on real snow, and that time of scarcity is going to focus companies back on what they actually need to be focused on, or else another company is going to step up and put them out of business.
	So I think the tides are changing right now, and I'm pretty optimistic, actually.
	Well, that's a very, very nice scenario, and I hope it occurs, and yes, that memo from Netflix was fascinating.
	However, let's return to some of those titans that you mentioned, the Palo Alto, what is it Breitbart calls them, the masters of the universe.
	We don't have a free market.
	You used the phrase monopoly, cartel, absolutely right.
	So, if you're in a cartel or monopoly position, you can do whatever you like, can you not, Vivek?
	Oh yeah, I mean, I'm optimistic over the long run.
	Make no mistake, we have a lot of work yet to do.
	We need to break up some of those cartels, I think, through the market itself.
	You know, you could have a debate about which is the most dangerous cartel in the country right now.
	Is it the Silicon Valley cartel with the monopoly on ideas of what products to censor?
	That's a good candidate for number one.
	But the other good candidate for number one is the asset management cartel.
	That small handful of asset managers which are telling companies in every sector how to behave, wielding 22 trillion dollars of everyday citizens' money to do it.
	So you're talking about the Blackrocks?
	I'm talking about the Blackrock-led cartel and then Silicon Valley cartel.
	So those are the two big cartels.
	You know, everyone has to decide where they're going to focus.
	I've written a lot about the big tech cartel on the page of the Wall Street Journal and my book elsewhere.
	That's a really hard problem to take on.
	Elon Musk was looking to take it on.
	Maybe he'll, maybe he won't.
	I've decided to tackle the other one.
	Okay, I'm focusing on the asset management cartel because they affect every other industry from the U.S.
	energy industry to U.S.
	consumer companies.
	And if somebody creates competition that actually takes market share away from the black rocks of the world, that's part of what's going to change every industry.
	I can tell you from first-hand experience, having been in the early stages of this journey, that's not going to be easy.
	But the good news is that the majority of everyday Americans, certainly the ones who have capital to wield, right?
	Hard workers, net savers, people who actually have families that ultimately work hard to make a living and have growing investment accounts.
	These are the hundred plus million Americans who badly want to see a change in the private sector.
	And at the end of the day, I think that's going to provide the winning hand for new competitors that want to challenge these existing cartels.
	But it's a long road to hoe before we get there.
	All I'm saying is there are some beginnings of a cultural shifting tide that could really be a tailwind to folks like myself.
	Elon, if he's doing this in Silicon Valley, I hope he does.
	I think that there's room for new competitors to really take down these existing cartels.
	Well, you're a brave man, or maybe a quixotic individual, because I thought you were just about getting to some kind of critical mass, taking on the woke corporations, and you're saying, oh, no, no, no, that's doing fine.
	That'll trundle on its way, and now you're going to take on the likes of Blackrock.
	You are an ambitious individual.
	We'll talk about Strive.
	He is the executive chairman of a new venture.
	He's got a new book, new corporation.
	The guy is unstoppable.
	We're talking to Vivek Ramaswamy, the author of Woke Inc.
	and also the upcoming Nation of Victims.
	You can follow him at VivekGRamaswamy on Twitter.
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	Everybody needs to read Vivek's first book, Wokingk.
	It's superb.
	It's on one of my key bookshelves at home in my library.
	But let's give a little bit of a glimpse what is coming out later this year.
	It's Nation of Victims.
	What is the topic and what is the goal of this publication, Vivek?
	So the topic of the book is to raise the sad reality that victimhood has become the heart of American national identity today.
	We used to be unified by a shared pursuit of excellence as Americans.
	Unfortunately, one of the things that unifies us today is our shared competition to be seen as a victim.
	Black victims, white victims, I think even Democratic victims and increasingly Republican victims.
	And what I say is that at the end of the day, hardship is not the same thing as victimhood.
	The thing that can actually unify us in a more deep way as Americans is a revival of the shared pursuit of excellence in our country.
	And that is not a right-wing value or a left-wing value.
	It's a fundamentally American value.
	That's what we really need to revive.
	Now, I do it by tracing history from Roman history to the history of the Civil War and Reconstruction, all the way to how we got to where we are and the lessons we learned from that.
	But I think that at the end of the day, we're at a moment where we're looking for reviving a shared national identity, filling a black hole vacuum at the heart of what it means to be an American in the year 2022.
	We lack a good answer to that question.
	And my thesis in the book is that the shared pursuit of excellence as Americans can actually fill that void of national identity at a time where we could Well, I personally can't wait for that book to be published.
	Why?
	Because, and if you don't believe me, I will send you the audio tape from two months ago and the guys here will back me up, after I saw Top Gun.
	Have you seen Top Gun, Vivek?
	Okay, so I've seen Top Gun, and I did a little mini-monologue on it when I came back from the theatre, and I said, it's super fun, you know, the acting, the special effects, blah blah blah, but one thing struck me as I was sitting there.
	About three quarters of the way in.
	Of the many things it celebrates, America being one of them, the thing that really, you know, gut-punched me was, this is a celebration of excellence.
	This movie celebrates excellence.
	And it sounds like that's the aim of your book.
	That's absolutely the aim of my book.
	And, you know, I think, I mean, I'm a first-generation American.
	The reason a lot of immigrants come to this country, my parents came to this country, I was born here.
	The reason they came was to pursue excellence unapologetically.
	And I think that that's something that goes beyond partisanship and goes to the heart of national identity itself.
	And you know what?
	Victimhood has become a really valuable currency.
	And in some ways, people respond to the incentives they've been given.
	If you describe yourself as a victim, that's what allows you to get ahead in American society today.
	That's what I call the death of merit.
	I think the death of meritocracy paved the way, though, for this victimhood culture.
	And I think that whether that's black victimhood culture or white victimhood culture, I think we need to be able to talk about those things in the open.
	A lot of people say you can't talk about black victimhood culture if you're not black.
	I disagree with that.
	I think that if you actually care about lifting black lives up and all lives up, you have to be able to talk about these issues in the open in order to fix them.
	But I hope that shared pursuit of excellence It's something that can transcend the otherwise seemingly foreordained lines of identity politics and partisan politics.
	That's what the heart of the book is about.
	Right, so talk to us about your new mission.
	You've got Strive Funds.
	Clearly this is another venture in excellence, or to try and break this crazy monopoly, this political monopoly.
	So what is this new mission?
	Explain this new organization.
	It actually relates to the theme we were just talking about.
	Where what Strive is doing is competing with the black rocks of the world by delivering a different message to corporate America as a shareholder.
	So what Strive aims to do is exercise its voice as a shareholder on behalf of everyday citizens in this country to not tell companies to pursue politics or social agendas or ESG agendas.
	But instead, to mandate companies to focus exclusively on delivering excellent products and services to their customers and maximize value for shareholders that way, rather than any other agenda, including political or social agendas.
	That's not stakeholder capitalism, as you'll hear from the ESG crowd.
	It's what we at Strive call excellence capitalism.
	But is it advocacy or is this a fund that just will operate as funds should and not as BlackRock does?
	Yeah, so this is actually just competing directly against BlackRock.
	Just like as an asset manager would, what we've said is we're launching our first investment product in the third quarter of this year.
	But you think about the way this is done is these firms like BlackRock and Vanguard, what they offer is index funds, just funds that own the market or segments of the market and provide a vehicle for owning those companies.
	But when you own those companies, you also have an opportunity as a shareholder to deliver a message to those companies.
	What those large asset managers like BlackRock and Vanguard are doing is delivering a message to those companies to tell them to go political, to advance progressive values.
	Strive's voice is bringing a different voice as an asset manager to the table, telling them to actually knock it off with the politics and focus exclusively on products.
	And I'll have much more to say about that soon, but as we've said before, So it's strivefunds.com, strivefunds.com.
	Let's be realistic.
	Let's just do a little diagnosis, a snapshot of the global market.
	Right now, those that are political and the great reset, the Karl Schwabs, their dominance is what?
	99% or 90%?
	How much of an uphill battle is this going to be, Vivek?
	That is the reigning orthodoxy today.
	Okay, $60 trillion of capital in the global asset management industry is tied up in the Climate Action 100 Plus network.
	It's actually, Sebastian, it's pretty eye-opening.
	They coordinate with each other to implement these agendas onto corporate America.
	The woke corporate problem you described, the root cause of it is actually these large investment managers and asset managers that are enforcing that agenda on corporate America.
	Strive aims to be the leading affirmative alternative to ESG in capital markets.
	And you know what?
	A lot of my old, you know, let's just say compatriots at places like Harvard and Yale and the hedge fund crowds that I've been part of before, you know, look at this as actually a very contrarian play.
	I personally believe that in a couple of years, this will be the mainstream way of looking at investments.
	Which is to say, focus exclusively on delivering profits, focus exclusively on maximizing shareholder return, and that's actually what lifts all people up, including people up from poverty.
	That's how capitalism delivers on its promise.
	And by the way, that also allows the free market to be a place that brings people together across political boundaries, across the boundaries of identity politics.
	That's something we've forgotten as well.
	Well, it's super, super exciting.
	If I can do anything to help you, then I think this is the future.
	Strivefunds.com, Vivek Ramaswamy, superb, superb new enterprise.
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	So we don't rehearse any of our questions.
	Other people, you know, want to send us talking points they want to talk about.
	We say, nope, that's not how we do things here.
	So you don't know what I'm going to ask you.
	It might be a little bit out of left field, but Vivek, you are, and I used the word quixotic deliberately a few minutes ago, You're like a bit of a voice in the wilderness out there.
	There are not many like you who are prepared to go up against this gargantuan politicized wokery.
	What is that like and why are you doing it?
	I mean, you know, your parents are immigrants like I am to this country.
	Is it your inheritance?
	Because it must be quite lonely now and again.
	You know, sometimes I like a little bit of alone time.
	A little bit of alone time gives you extra space to think independently, right?
	Enjoy a nice bath at night.
	Sometimes you don't have people bothering you.
	It's kind of the same way intellectually, too.
	As Robert Frost might have said, you take the road less traveled, but you learn more about yourself that way as well, rather than taking your cues by saying what you expect the people around you to, what expectations they have for you to say.
	What you actually recognize is that most people are actually hungry to be led, not hungry to actually be followed.
	And so, you know what, I like to experiment, and also, I've changed my mind on things.
	Not everything I believe today is exactly what I believed 10 or 20 or 30 years ago.
	I think that's something the conservative movement would do well to remember, not just reciting slogans it memorized in 1980, when the times have changed.
	I'm first personally on a journey, too, that's not necessarily shackled by what I used to think a decade or two ago.
	But I think it's one of the things I enjoy.
	I think that creativity thrives on not being shackled by a prisoner of your own prior convictions, or especially a prisoner of what your peers' convictions are at a given time.
	Because what you realize is that most people around you don't actually have convictions.
	They're just saying what they believe the people around them want to hear.
	And at the end of the day, it's going to be the few people who actually originally offer their own perspectives authentically that ultimately drive change in the world.
	And you know what?
	I'm trying to do my part, being in business.
	Or be it through the books I write, or be it through conversations like this one, to be able to contribute in a small way to that myself.
	Fabulous.
	Last thing, what is your message to those who are inside corporate America and are feeling the pressure to give in to the woke industrial complex?
	What would you say to them, Vivek?
	I'd say two things, all right?
	You have a civic obligation, now more than ever, to find that moment when you're the only person in the room who believes what you do, That is the moment when you have a civic obligation to speak up and express yourself without apologizing for it.
	Be civil.
	Be respectful.
	But part of being respectful is actually saying what you think, rather than trying to shape it to what that audience wants to hear.
	And my commitment back at you is that if you do that, you'll probably discover that you weren't the only person in the room who believed what you did.
	And my own view is that yes, that involves taking some measure of personal risk.
	And yes, no person should have to choose between speaking their mind freely and putting food on the dinner table.
	But guess what?
	You have other people, myself included, who are stepping up and trying to come to the rescue.
	That's part of what Strive is all about, to change that environment in corporate America such that you won't have to take that risk between putting food on the dinner table and speaking your mind freely.
	You get to do both of those things at once.
	And guess what?
	That's part of what it means to be American.
	What a fabulous message.
	God bless you, Vivek Ramaswamy.
	Read his books.
	You've got to get them.
	Woking, Nation of Victims, strifefunds.com, and as ever, it's Friday.
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