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But Biden came out as a really sleepy, sweet grandpa.
And he was like, he's always repeating this story, you know.
Yeah, I went to Scranton.
I grew up in Scranton, Pennsylvania.
My dad, my dad lost his job.
No joke.
I'm not kidding around here.
No human being in the world thinks that's a joke.
Nobody.
Is anybody.
I lost my job.
And then he would do the number thing.
Number one, the one part.
Number two, what the guy said.
Number three, you know the drill.
Come on!
No, we don't.
Now what he does is he kind of whispers and then he yells.
If you know, I think it's a wonderful move.
Don't you love it when he's like...
We know how to get natural gas.
Because we can get it!
We know how to get it!
Yes we do!
Because the people, the pirates, the pirates of the Caribbean!
That's actually what late-night TV should be like.
That was, of course, Dana Carvey.
Nicely done, my friend.
Could you imagine if you're one... He's hosting for Jimmy Kimmel, right, Jeff?
Could you imagine the difference?
Am I right, right?
That's the best part about it.
That's whose show it was on.
So can you imagine being in the audience or at home, the usual Kimmel, you know, attack dog for the DNC?
No jokes, not funny, and then this guy Carvey comes on and it's actually funny?
I know, usually it would be, Steve Bannon's trial starts today, then they would all just cheer.
But they were laughing!
They were actually laughing there.
Okay.
That man is hilarious.
Dana Carvey.
Waynesworld.
We are not worthy.
If you haven't seen his original Netflix special from, what, three or four years ago, it is clear if you watch his Netflix special.
This guy is a conservative and he's also very, very funny.
Welcome!
By the way, dear friends, I'm Sebastian Gawker.
This is America First.
We have an amazing show for you today.
We have regulars Lord Black, we have Ilan Berman, and also we have Ari Fleischer, the former press secretary for the Bush White House, and a good buddy of mine, the editor of the best gun magazine on the planet, Recoil, the champion of the TV show Top Shot, another former serviceman from the British Army who has just gone to the front lines in Ukraine and will be reporting to us on what he saw.
But let's start with some Good news or the amusing?
Let's do some more amusing.
Let's show the footage of AOC outside Capitol Hill getting quote-unquote arrested.
It was, what was it, an abortion thing or a climate thing?
What was it, Jeff?
It was like an abortion protest, right?
It had to be because it's the Supreme Court.
Okay.
Oh, Supreme Court.
And for those of you who are watching, watch what she does with her hands, because she's being led away by a police officer with her hands behind her back, which makes you think, oh no!
They handcuffed a serving congresswoman!
Except at the end where she waves at somebody.
play cut hey Cortez it If you're trying to fake people out that you've been handcuffed, here's a little clue.
Don't wave at anybody afterwards with your free hand if you're trying to pretend that you've been handcuffed but you don't have any handcuffs on behind your back.
Man, how stupid is she?
Good news.
The individual who was arrested and charged with second-degree murder, the bodega owner, the 61-year-old Jose Alba.
Finally, the insane people, the Soros-funded prosecutor of New York has said, yeah, we're not going to charge him with murder because he was defending himself.
Yeah.
Good on him, a true hero.
Not only is he a hero, but also The 22-year-old man, who when he saw an active shooter come out of the restroom in the mall in Minneapolis, sorry, in Indiana, with two rifles, unholstered his Glock
and killed that person who was initiating a mass shooting.
Well, that individual, he's a true hero.
And here's the police chief from Greenwood, Indiana, telling it like it is.
Cut five!
I will say his actions were nothing short of heroic.
He engaged the gunman from quite a distance with a handgun, was very proficient in that, very tactically sound, and as he moved to close in on the suspect, he was also motioning for people to exit behind him.
He has, to our knowledge, he has no police training and no military background.
That individual is Alicia Dickin.
Yes, I don't know what kind of name it is, whether it's from the Old Testament.
And I posted his photograph on Instagram with one word.
Warrior.
Think about it.
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But think of this.
That's what the left would call toxic masculinity.
community.
And that's what we need a lot more of.
When a man has already opened fire, he wasn't just, you know, walking out of the restroom and threatening people or about to kill people.
He'd already shot three people.
What did this young man with apparently no military experience, no law enforcement background, what did he do?
Clearly he didn't think about it because he neutralized this threat within seconds.
He unholstered his weapon, which clearly he has been training with very effectively.
It wasn't a barrage of bullets, it was a very well-placed shot.
He gestured, he motioned to the other unarmed civilians To clear the area, to protect them from any exchange of shots with the murderer.
And then he closed with the enemy.
It goes against the human instinct, the survival instinct.
When imminent lethal force is apparent, most people do two things.
Many shut down.
They don't know how to react.
There's a moment where they're frozen in time.
The system overloads.
The brain doesn't know what to do.
They've never been in that situation.
And they just freeze.
They become static.
They become motionless targets for the killer.
Others, the obvious reaction is they just run.
They flee.
The fight or flee reaction.
But a very few, usually those who have had to have it inculcated in them, over time, with muscle memory, with training, with repetitions again and again and again of scenarios.
Sometimes it's just innate, because that's what a real man is.
They actually run towards the danger.
They run towards the gunfire.
And that's what this young man Dickon did.
He protected the innocent and he killed evil.
Every man listening to this show should be able to do that.
If you don't, you're not a man.
Part of your job description, your PD, your position description as we say in the industry, If you're a man, it's to protect the innocent and to combat evil.
Are you strapped?
Are you carrying a weapon?
Are you licensed to do so in those municipalities that don't recognize the Second Amendment?
Because if you're not, you're not a man.
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I am using her phone.
I actually saw the video, though, of... I watched that same video of AOC and Ilhan Omar, and it's pretty hard, even as a Democratic supporter like I notoriously am, it's hard to argue that.
You know, that it was pretty embarrassing, that video.
Is that why you rang to share your embarrassment with AOC?
Um, I mean, I guess, kind of, yeah.
Like, I thought it was, like, a big stretch, uh, that they would, uh, that they would actually arrest them anyways.
Um, so I, yeah.
Like, I, the idea that they would arrest them and handcuff these two sitting Congress people was quite a big stretch for me.
Okay, is that all you've got, really?
Well, that's what I wanted to talk about, but, like, I saw that as a big stretch, but, like, I mean, I know you're not going to take my call on the air, so should I just, like, talk to you now, or what?
Yeah, dude, because I'm not giving you three million people to listen to you.
You're a loser.
Why would I do that?
All right.
Okay.
I think.
Yep, we're good.
Switch back to him.
Mic's back on.
One minute.
It's been almost a year since he's called.
I forgot.
He sounds like he's on lithium, doesn't he?
That's how he's so easy to pick up.
It's been a year and I knew it was him right away.
Got titles in mind for Cooper and or Matt Monologue?
Man up, America.
Put his name, Dickens name, the shooter and then colon man up America and for Horace black America is waking up.
Black America is waking up.
You said his first name was Alicia?
It's spelt weirdly you need to look it up and double check it.
Please go.
Oh, there he is.
There's my guy.
Good job.
How's your new show going?
Good?
Very well, thank you.
I heard.
Good.
Thank you.
Yes, indeed.
Thank you, Mr. President.
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So you know Stephen King is a lunatic.
When he's not writing filthy novels about 11-year-old girls in gang rape situations.
I mean, he really is a sicko.
Not just a former junkie, he's a sicko.
He is also patient zero when it comes to Trump derangement syndrome.
He detests my former boss.
He is foul-mouthed about my former boss.
But a prankster...
Managed to get him to praise Nazis.
Yeah, it's really quite something.
So this is a Russian prankster who's pretending to be the president of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, Calling up Stephen King and the brain-addled anti-Trumper buys it hook, line and sinker.
And he makes excuses for Nazis because he wants to pander to Zelensky.
Listen to Cut12.
People who really love Ukraine.
Yeah.
It's not Nazis.
It's Azov.
They, of course, they love some people like Bandera.
It's our national hero.
So what do you think about Bandera?
He was in the Second World War and he fighted against Soviet Union.
But, yeah, he had some crimes, but it's not so big crimes.
It's, of course, accidentally.
Well, crimes against Jews, but, you know, it's really important to keep him opposed to Putin and his propaganda.
Oh, yes.
I mean, you can always find things about people who pull him down.
There is Washington and Jefferson.
so he makes excuses there the tape sped up he says you can always find things to criticize people about like washington and jefferson were slaveholders but they were good people so he's making excuses For somebody that the caller is labeling a Nazi because he wants to be in the good books with Zelensky, Stephen King was punked.
I guess Trump is bad, but Nazis are okay.
Right, Stephen King?
That is the left in a nutshell.
Let's go to your calls.
Victor, good friend, line two, welcome to America First.
Hey, Sebastian, I voted today in Maryland.
I know, we've got a big primary all over the state.
Good for you, my friend.
When I went this morning with my friend who assisted me, there were like two or three people ahead of me and that was it this morning.
I don't know what it is during the day, but I've heard people call in on a Baltimore station saying that voting was light today.
Maybe it'll pick up after work.
But, um, I, I definitely voted for Dan Cox.
And, um, I recommend... Endorse my President Trump.
Yes, I heard him interviewed on the same station a couple of weeks ago and he was great.
He answered the questions, he didn't hem and haw.
I heard Kelly Schultz yesterday and she sounded a little panicky and they played the clip of her saying, wear the damn mask!
Yes.
So that turned me off right there.
And not only that, the last three weeks of attack ads against Dan Cox have been so utterly vicious that that by itself is a sign that he's probably the right guy to vote for.
Thank you for your call, Victor.
If you're in Maryland, get out there and vote.
Let's go to Florida.
Martha, line three.
Martha, you are up across the nation.
All right, let's leave her.
Let's go back to our cuts.
Let's talk about the imminent.
What is it?
It's Tuesday today.
Is it Thursday?
We're going to have the final.
Well, God willing, the final.
But I don't think it's going to be prime time January 6th committee hearing.
And Adam Schiff, well, he thinks that you liked it so much.
You deserve to have more!
Cut three.
You know, I think at the beginning of this process, when we were scheduling and sketching out the hearings, We did conceive of this as probably the end of this first set of hearings, even while we were considering another set of hearings in the fall that were focused on our recommendations for protecting the democracy going forward.
But as we've gone along and new witnesses have come forward, and we've added hearings like we did with Cassidy Hutchinson, we realized that witnesses continue to come forward.
And we may very well be adding other hearings to accommodate new evidence, new testimony, Protecting the democracy?
What does he even mean, protecting the democracy?
Do you mean the republic?
Because we're not a democracy.
We are a republic of states.
But you're a congressman from California and you don't even know that little detail about the constitutional order of the republic.
And you have more witnesses so you're going to have to schedule more January 6 hearings?
Are there going to be witnesses like Cassidy Hutchinson?
The sudden appearance of whom this amazing star witness was supposed to bowl us away.
Bowl us away with stories of her being in the White House at age 23 as a quote senior advisor to the chief of staff of the president.
Telling us stories told to her by other people about how President Trump on journey the six was in the back of the beast which he wasn't and managed to reach 20 feet to the front of the vehicle grab the steering wheel from the Secret Service agent and insist that he be taken to Capitol Hill After which he threatened the other person in the vehicle's clavicles.
Yes, she actually said clavicles because that's how all 23-year-old junior junior coffee maids in the White House talk.
They use medical terminology.
They always use the Latin terminology for parts of the body.
I can't wait.
Schiff, here's a message from Sebastian Gorka.
Please, please do it.
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Yes, that happened moments ago.
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An missing baby formula?
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Carry on, Adam Schiff.
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Right, let's make sure let's make sure that all cuts are ready by 3 o'clock and everybody is playing.
Well, the issue is that, hang on, Jeff, me turn the mic mic up, please.
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What is the definition of the swamp?
We are sitting in the swamp again.
A very very humid hot day here in the nation's capital.
But what is a swamp creature?
Richard Haass is a swamp creature because only a swamp creature would say this about the incompetent senile old man in the White House after his recent trip to the Middle East.
Play cut!
And we do have to deal with the Saudis, not simply over oil, but I would say, more importantly, over Iran.
That's coming to a crunch, and it's important that Saudi Arabia and the United States be on the same page, both in terms of what we do vis-a-vis Iran, but also, we don't want Saudi Arabia feeling so adrift from the United States that the idea that they would need their own nuclear arsenal, that that somehow becomes a real option for them.
So again, I understand the critics, but I think the critics are wrong here.
This is grown-up foreign policy.
You gotta sometimes deal with really objectionable people.
How strange, because I don't remember the president of the Council on Foreign Relations saying that about President Trump when he dealt with nasty people.
That was wrong of him.
That wasn't adult foreign policy.
Let's actually talk about real geopolitics and geostrategy with one of our friends.
He is the Is it Senior Vice President?
Senior.
He's not the Junior.
He's the Senior Vice President of the American Foreign Policy Council.
Ilan Berman, welcome back in the studio.
Oh, thanks, Seb.
Thanks for having me.
So, let's talk about what happened over the last few days and what's happening right now in Tehran.
Sure.
So, give us your take.
Israel, then the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
Are you impressed with the performance of this administration so far?
So, in a word, no.
I was like worried for a second, hesitating.
Is he going to say yes?
It was superb.
It was superb.
But sort of qualified, because I think it's better that you admit your mistakes later than not at all.
And that's my big takeaway from President Biden's Middle East trip.
Because what you have is, for the last year and a half, you've had an administration that's been pursuing a fundamentally misaligned Middle East policy.
Explain.
So, on three fronts, right?
So the first is Iran.
The Trump administration's maximum pressure policy had been enormously successful, empirically speaking, objectively, at putting Iran on the back foot.
You mean the Trump administration?
Yes.
Yeah, correct.
And when the Biden administration came in, they reversed almost everything, right?
And this was one of the things that they reversed.
They rolled back maximum pressure.
They preemptively declared that it was a failure, even though objectively, economically, Iran was on the back foot.
And they decided to do outreach to Iran once again.
Again, over the objections of our allies in the Gulf, over the objections of our ally Israel, in a way that fundamentally put U.S. policy at variance with the evolving dynamics in the region.
And by the way, let's remember that the last time there was a Democratic president in the White House, and he tried to sign a deal, a nuclear deal with Iran, It was what created the coalition that blossomed into the Abraham Accords, right?
It was the fact that the countries in the region figured out that the current occupant of the White House did not have their back and they had to band together, right?
You stand together or you fall separately.
I have to ask, I'll just inject the naive question at this point.
When all the empirical evidence points to the contrary, what makes any administration say it's not working?
If policy is working, is it just because it had a certain man's initials on it?
I mean, the empirical data was it was working.
They were on the back foot.
The economy was in trouble.
So what makes a White House say, oh, it wasn't working?
I think there's a lot of that.
There's a lot of the fact that the American policy pendulum is swinging pretty significantly.
And so we've gotten into this cycle now where every administration comes in and says that all of the policies of the last one are wrong.
Even though, objectively, they're working.
There's also, remember, that personalist policy.
And so what you have in the White House is you have people in the personality of the Secretary of State, the Deputy Secretary of State, the Special Envoy for Iran, all the way down the line, people that were present at the creation of the first Iran nuclear deal in 2015.
But interestingly, in many cases, not the first tier, not even the second tier.
So these were the bag carriers for the likes of Susan Rice.
We're talking to AFPC Senior Vice President Ilhan Berman.
You can read his writings.
I recommend Implosion, the end of Russia and what it means for America.
We'll be back with Ilhan in a moment.
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And MBS was like, Hey, dude, how you doing?
It's like, oh, buddies.
Right.
Well, listen, so there's something to be said for the fact that the Saudi monarch in waiting may be a little leery because this guy has, you know, has lit the U.S.-Saudi relationship on fire for the last year and a half.
And now he's coming because he needs something, right?
It looks inauthentic.
It looks, you know...
So, this is sort of, I think, the macro point, which is, better late than never, he said fundamentally, basically, you know, we were wrong on Iran.
We'll see if that changes.
We were wrong on the Abraham Accords.
We were wrong on Saudi Arabia, right?
We need to be more pragmatic.
We need to cooperate, right?
So, this is all, I think, positive.
Now, whether they actually... No, but they haven't said they were wrong on the Abraham Accords.
Well, so, I mean, they have in the sense that they're now talking about it, and they weren't even talking about it before.
They wouldn't call him the Abraham Accords for a full year.
So now, all of a sudden, he, you know, the point that he was making was, he said, no, no, no, this connectivity is good, right?
Which everybody in the region said, uh-huh, you were wrong the first time, right?
Connectivity is good.
So, you know, for them, right, I mean, they have sour grapes, but ultimately, an America that's engaged, an America that actually invests in this stuff, is much better than an America that is trying fundamentally to undermine it.
I just don't think they take him seriously.
Huh?
I just don't think they take him seriously.
I think you're probably right, right?
And actions speak louder than words.
And so, it doesn't matter what he says.
It doesn't matter if he signs the Jerusalem Declaration on Strategic Cooperation with Israel, if he's doing things that fundamentally undermine Israeli security, right?
We'll see.
My sense is the big test is not there.
The big test is here.
If he comes back and if he changes, maybe.
Maybe it's okay.
But he's not going to change.
So is Bibi coming back?
I don't think so.
I don't think he has the numbers for it.
I was in Israel, I was in the Knesset having meetings, at the moment they were voting to dissolve the government.
It was very strange.
So I actually asked the person I was meeting with, I said, so what happens now?
And she said, you know, we come to our offices, we sort of do our daily work, we can't pass any legislation until there's a new government.
So their legislative branch is frozen.
And Bibi had an opportunity, the President gave him a week and a half, To try to build an alternative coalition, and he couldn't do it.
He couldn't do it.
He didn't have the numbers.
So maybe something changes, but right now he doesn't have the numbers.
So the president invites... Yeah, yeah.
So the president is sort of a curator, right?
He says, you have the more...
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Here's an interesting one.
Winning the long war.
Retaking the offensive against radical Islam.
The fight for Iran.
Opposition politics.
Protest and the struggle for the soul of a nation.
And connecting all of them together in the next question.
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The end of Russia and what it means for America.
Why am I connecting them?
Because, Ilhan Berman, former KGB colonel, decided he needs to go to Tehran and to hang out with the Mullahs, right?
Right.
Bad news, no?
Yes and no.
Oh, OK.
So what I find fascinating about this, right, so Vladimir Putin today is in Tehran.
He's there for a sort of mini summit to try to juxtapose the summit that happened in Saudi Arabia.
He's there with the president slash dictator of Turkey, Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
But what's interesting is the venue, which is Tehran.
It's not the Iranians traveling to Moscow, as they usually do.
It is the Russians coming to Tehran.
And it really shows you, I think, something very interesting.
Because historically, the Iranians and the Russians have been partners for a long time.
But historically, the Iranians have been the junior partner, and the Russians have been the senior partner.
Exactly.
And the Russians have carried their water at the UN and multilateral fora.
Now, all of a sudden, the shoe's on the other foot.
The Iranians, because of Biden's outreach, are much stronger, much more stable, rehabilitated.
And it's the Russians that are being set upon as a result of their aggression in Ukraine.
The Russians are isolated.
The Russians are the one coming to Tehran and saying, we need your help.
We need your assistance.
That's a fascinating turn-up for the books.
Having a strong Iran is a bad thing to begin with.
And having Erdogan there as well.
I liked the quasi-dictator in Turkey.
And also, apparently one of the reasons for the mini-summit is for drone purchase, right?
That's correct.
Well, that's certainly something that the Russians want.
They want the Iranian drones.
So the Iranians have been flirting with this idea of providing the Russians with advanced unmanned aerial vehicles, drones, which the Russians will then repurpose for the Ukraine fight.
And the Iranians have been holding off so far because they think it will alter their balance, sort of the correlation of forces, not between the Russians and the Ukrainians, because it obviously will contribute to the Russian fight, But the political correlation of forces between Iran and Europe and Iran and the United States.
The Iranians don't want to do anything that really fundamentally derails this re-engagement that's happening on the part of the White House, on the part of European capitals, with Tehran.
But to quote a Palestinian negotiator yesterday, this is from memory, the amazing Middle East Media Research Institute, he was on some local whatever Arab news thing and after the Biden He said, I don't know what to say as a member of the Palestinian Authority because there was no proposal to reject because they were so weak to begin with.
So the idea that the Iranians are worried by this administration reacting badly, this is the administration that wants to give them the Iran deal back.
No, that's correct.
And so if you notice what the Iranians have been doing historically over the last year and a half, they haven't been bolting out of the nuclear box.
They've been sort of inching out.
They've been violating tactically so they can say, you know, oh, I'm sorry, we made a mistake.
We'll walk it back.
Nothing irreversible.
If they insert qualitatively new weapons onto the Ukraine battlefield, that's irreversible.
And that makes them a stakeholder in the Ukraine war.
And it's frankly a fight that the Iranians at least at the moment, don't necessarily want to pick.
And this is why it's something Vladimir Putin wants very much, and it's something the Ayatollahs in Tehran don't want nearly as much, which is why you see this sort of change in the dynamic.
What on earth is a Sunni neo-Ottomanist like Erdogan doing in a Shia Iran?
That's a very good question.
And what's interesting to me is how Turkish foreign policy has sort of bobbed and weaved.
Because, look, fundamentally in the Middle East there are two macro trends that are happening right now.
There is a connectivity trend.
It's Israel and the Moroccans.
Israel and the Emiratis.
Israel and the Bahrainis.
Thanks to President Trump.
No, absolutely.
And on and on and on, right?
The big ask, which I think is coming down the pike, probably from the Biden administration, is whether or not Saudi Arabia wants to jump on the bandwagon, wants to join, which would be an unalloyed good no matter who concludes it, right?
But fundamentally, in every scenario, the adversary also gets a vote.
And in this context, there's a rejectionist trend.
It's a rejectionist trend that's headed by Iran, but it includes groups like Hamas, groups like Hezbollah, that are fundamentally disadvantaged by the new connectivity.
They want more conflict, they don't want less conflict, because they thrive in the historic hostile environment of the Middle East.
And so, Turkey is sort of in the middle, and it's trying to find its way between the two.
So, they've begun outreach to the Emirates, they've begun more outreach to the Israelis, but at the same time, they're flirting with the Iranians, they're flirting with the Russians, they're trying to figure out where they fit.
And this is, I think, the big story that hasn't yet been written, which is that the Turkish foreign policy, in a very fundamental sense, could go either way right now.
They're up for grabs.
Absolutely fascinating, because there are few, very few nations out of, what, 200 we have today that are actually of strategic import, and one of them is, of course, Turkey, and always has been.
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for the sanctions to kick in, so that the costs rise for the Russians.
The Russians are waiting for us to lose interest.
The Ukrainians are waiting for Western weapons, right?
Everybody's waiting, right?
So this is sort of, this is why it's taking so long.
Yeah, we were going to have a buddy on who just got back from Ukraine literally three days ago.
He said the drone thing is a real problem for the Ukrainians.
The Russians are like flooding the zone.
They can shoot down the low-flying ones, but the high-flying ones...
That's right.
And it also, it's a problem in another sense also, which is that the Russians really, pardon the French, right, they shit the bed on EW, on electronic warfare.
Their comms did not work the way they were supposed to, and the UAVs help with that, right?
They help with the connectivity in a way that they didn't have in the first month of the war.
So now all of a sudden they're more interconnected, they're more netted, they understand where everybody's moving.
So, we'll see, but we also have stuff that we can give.
The problem that we have is, that I'm hearing from military folks, is that we're giving the Ukrainians so many weapons that we're running low on our supplies.
So, for our planners, we don't want to be left, you know, sort of without the potential to surge into a conflict that affects us, right?
So, but we'll see, we'll see.
All right, standby.
Standing by.
30 seconds.
Want to use any cuts in this segment?
It's a short one.
No.
Alright.
All right, kill him, Mike.
All right, kill kill him.
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Let's find somebody who has been boycotted himself, put on a sanctions list by the Kremlin because, well, because he's a good guy who could tell us about what's happening in Europe.
Oh yes, he's right here in studio.
Ilan Berman, Senior Vice President of the American Foreign Policy Council.
Give us an update.
It seems sadly as if Ukraine is kind of falling off the the mainstream media's radar.
Where are we at right now?
You said in the break there's a waiting game occurring.
Right.
So this to me is really, I think, the most important strategic dynamic.
It's that everybody's waiting.
The Europeans recently passed their sixth sanctions package, which will, when it's seen through by the end of the year, will cause Europe to almost go cold turkey on Russian oil and natural gas, right, to essentially strip out almost all of the imports of Russian oil and natural to essentially strip out almost all of the imports of Russian So the Europeans think, I think sort of prudently, that when that happens, the marginal costs of the war are going to go way up for the Russians.
The war machine that Vladimir Putin is fielding is going to become more expensive, and the Russians are going to have less money to sort of fund it.
So the Europeans are waiting.
The Ukrainians are waiting because we've promised them weapons, and the weapons are trickling onto the Ukrainian battlefield, but they're not flooding onto the Ukrainian battlefield.
And so what you see is that the Ukrainian military, which was really running numbers around the Russian armed forces in the early stages of the war, are grinding a little bit more to a halt than, They're even in some cases overmatched, for example, by the Russian fielding of drones into the battle space.
And so the Ukrainians are waiting because they have confidence from the early stages.
But in order to retake the offensive, they need Western weapons.
So they're waiting for those weapons to arrive.
And the Russians are waiting.
For us to lose interest because the Russians understand our political system very well.
They know we have midterm elections coming up in the fall.
They know that Western unity on Ukraine was never a sure thing to begin with and may fragment as we move further in time.
And so the Russians think that as long as they can hold and not retreat, as long as they can hold, and the numbers are, by the way, astounding.
The Russians are advancing something like 500, 600 meters a day on average in Ukraine.
So it's really nothing.
But they're standing still, basically.
Well, we're going to have an update from the field.
Former British serviceman Ian Harrison, a good friend of mine, will be with us in the next hour.
He just got back from Ukraine and it is a story that you will not hear in the mainstream media.
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It's all documented.
There was an illusion being created using the most awesome tools and the greatest tricks that the American intelligence community had learned to use against our enemies.
Now it was being deployed against the American people and our president.
This is the biggest political scandal in modern history which makes Watergate look like a tiff.
The FBI director has no credibility.
The left used to not trust the FBI, and now they love them.
This can happen to General Michael T. Flynn.
Imagine what they do to anybody who has a single strike against them.
35 Russian diplomats in the U.S.
expelled.
The prosecution of General Flynn wasn't a pursuit of criminal activity.
It was a setup.
Flynn actually had details.
So he was talking about going after people's budgets.
They were terrified.
Media didn't start as neutral.
Media hasn't been neutral all its life.
The two faces of Hillary Clinton are coming out.
In fact, through WikiLeaks, that she says one thing and...
Oh, no.
They worked hand-in-glove with Comey to try to delegitimize Trump.
They were not there to tell the truth.
A political dirty trick is being carried out by our intelligence community.
Honestly, none of us really know, sort of holistically, what to think about this dossier.
They went into Congress.
They said, there's nothing here.
Doesn't matter.
We'll keep going with FISA.
We'll keep going with the investigation.
And more importantly, we will go on TV, day in and day out, and lie to the American people to their face.
And nothing's going to happen to us.
The nation and all of our freedoms hang by a thread.
And the military apparatus of this country is about to be handed over to scum who are beholden to scum!
Russian scum!
We had not one person claim that they had or had seen evidence of Trump colluding with the Russians.
Devin Nunes was the hero in the forest.
He was alone.
He was mocked.
He was attacked.
Devin Nunes was subject to such scorn for saying the conclusions that we brought forth in that report, which all proved to be true.
Russiagate was a false story.
To target their political opposition.
To carry out their insurance policies.
I believe that this is a conspiracy.
These guys have perpetrated the greatest crime against the American people ever seen.
It was a coup d'etat.
This is how sick and twisted these people are.
First, I recently confirmed that on numerous occasions the intelligence community incidentally collected information about U.S.
citizens involved in the Trump transition.
It was shocking to see some of the over-classification that was done to hide either corruption or abuse of authority and just to make sure certain agencies didn't look bad.
We have a peaceful transition of power process.
That's not what happened.
There were more meetings.
There were more leaks.
There were more attacks.
The thing that they were investigating the Trump campaign for is what they themselves were doing.
Not just the Democratic Party and their operatives, but also the FBI.
If we're writing about the time frame that we lived in, and that we're living in now, I would say it wasn't supposed to happen.
They weren't supposed to know.
The entire time this was going on, they thought this was going to be what sunk the Donald Trump presidency.
and they were just looking for the golden goose and they still haven't found it because it doesn't exist.
Thank you.
Yes, sir.
How are we doing?
Fine, fine.
How are you doing?
Good, good, good, good.
Trying to survive in the flipping heatwave here.
God, it's 96 here.
Really?
Yeah, it's pretty hot for here.
Mind you, I just came back from London.
It's 104 in London.
104.
Record breaking.
The British can't handle it.
I mean, they can't take it.
They've got headlines about the apocalypse.
Yeah, unfortunately all the global warming nuts have come out of a closet again.
God, I'm getting emails from these people.
We're suffering from systemic idiocy.
I like that.
That might have to be your next article.
Alright, we're going to come in with a recent cut from Adam Schiff and then we're going to talk about the continuing clown show that is the January 6th committee.
We'll have fun with this one.
I've written a piece saying I think that Trump's the presumptive president.
I know, I know.
After two weeks you said that's the obvious conclusion.
Stand by 30 seconds.
Mm-mm-mm.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Even while we were considering another set of hearings in the fall that were focused on our recommendations for protecting the democracy going forward.
But as we've gone along and new witnesses have come forward and we've added hearings like we did with Cassie Hutchinson, we realized that witnesses continue to come forward.
And we may very well be adding other hearings to accommodate new evidence, new testimony.
Seven hearings weren't enough, apparently.
That's Adam Schiff telling us that the Thursday primetime January 6th hearing may not be the last because, as he said, we need to protect the democracy.
I don't know what that is, given that we are a republic.
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Let's get a take from somebody who follows our political malaise very closely.
He is presidential historian, financier, a follower of all things insane in the swamp.
Lord Conrad Black, welcome back to America First.
When you say follower, you mean an observer. - Yeah.
Right, right.
Not a fellow traveler.
So we're going to discuss your latest piece in the Epoch Times.
They say a change is as good as a rest and you took a couple of weeks off.
You've been traveling now.
You have taken another look at the situation here in America.
You came to a certain conclusion about political runners and Who would win the next election?
We'll get to that in a second, but let's stay here with this individual who is clearly not satisfied with the last six hearings, with the fact that just, I think it was yesterday, we had the trial of Steve Bannon, former strategist, sorry, I was strategist, he was former chief strategist of President Trump, his trial for being in contempt of Congress beginning with jury selection.
Give us your I just find it, OK, I'm in the midst of it.
I worked in the Trump administration, but I don't see how anyone could be interested in this, given not just the heat wave, but the lack of baby formula, the open borders, the war in Ukraine.
Am I seeing things from a far too partisan angle?
I wouldn't say so, but I would give slightly different reasons for it.
Look, those who are interested are essentially the committed Democrats who realize that they have a completely incompetent administration, an utterly contemptible congressional leadership, a congressional delegation that is almost entirely, absolutely Terminally boring mediocrities or ludicrous charlatans like this squad.
And, you know, being a democracy with fixed-term elections, they're just on the way to the guillotine.
So the only conceivable argument they have to try and avoid that fate, or at least diminish it, is the only argument they've had for the last six years, which is Trump hate.
And in that, it must be said, they've been furtively and in an absolutely craven manner supported all along by the never-Trump faction of the Republican Party.
And so with Adam Schiff, who was a shameful and despicable public person, He may be an individual for all I know.
He may be a nice man.
He may be nice to his dog or something.
I don't know anything about that.
But as a public person, he's a disgrace and an outrage.
You know he's lying when you see his lips move, and by the same token, you know he's lying when his lips aren't moving.
And for him to take this position is, I think, indicative that all they have is to try and push This partisan, weak attorney general into approving spurious criminal charges against Trump so they can disqualify him by distracting him from running for president and winning a presidential election again.
And they'll have then the consolation, if that's what it is, of losing to a Trump-supported and Trump-programmed supporting candidate, you know, DeSantis or Or one of, you know, Pompeo or whomever, but whoever it is won't be a Bush, Romney, McClain Republican.
It'll be a Trump Republican.
And that's all we're playing for.
Now, I think that it's not so much the price of gas and the absence of baby food that would motivate people to pay no attention to this nonsense.
It is that it is such a ludicrous mockery of any kind of fair proceeding of investigation.
Where there is no cross-examination.
The witnesses all come in pre-programmed, reading off teleprompters, which is just a farce.
And there are no Trump supporters on the committee.
The so-called Republicans are trumpeters who are on their way out of Congress, voluntarily or otherwise.
And the whole thing is just an absolute fraud in terms of any probative value, and the whole country knows it.
So, you know, I think it's just hot air that will vanish into the summer heat.
At the beginning of your response, you used these phrases that I wrote down, Conrad.
You called this coterie in the White House or on Capitol Hill incompetent, boring mediocrities, and a combination of ludicrous charlatans.
To this point, and I still, every day, I asked myself this question.
I have yet to come up with a good answer, but as somebody who's written seminal works of presidential history on FDR, on Nixon, and on my former boss, President Trump, I don't understand one thing.
How, after a year and a half, when you heap mistakes upon mistakes, Whether it's Afghanistan, whether it's inflation, whether it's the price of gas, whether it's supply chains and cargo ships off, you know, the L.A.
port, there's not one instance I can divine in a year and a half where somebody in the administration or somebody amongst the leading Democrats said, OK, that was wrong and here's the corrective, or we made a mistake and I'm resigning.
To function in politics, at least in a system where you have to get elected, you have to have a semblance of some connection to reality.
It seems as if these people don't, Lord Black.
I agree entirely, and it all comes from the top down.
The President said Afghanistan was a complete success, a splendid success.
That's what he called it.
You know, $85 billion of equipment left to the Taliban.
Thousands of Americans and Afghan allies of the Americans abandoned their probably horrifying fate at the hands of the Taliban and he thought it was a splendid success.
The chairman of the Armed Forces Committee of the British House of Commons, Thomas Tugendhat, for the only time in the history of the United States, stated with the approval of the House of Commons that the conduct of the President of the United States was contemptible.
As I said in one of your previous programs, Even during the American Revolution, General George Washington was accused of treason, but no one suggested he was contemptible.
And this is an unprecedented event.
The British House of Commons, despite the nonsense of the last few weeks, is called the mother of parliaments for a reason.
It's a serious, important, historic place, and it doesn't utter or take decisions of that kind.
other than thoughtfully and weightily.
And it comes down from there.
I mean, President Biden, this nodding doll of a homeland security secretary, Mayorkas, it repeats like a cuckoo clock that the border is closed, meaning the border with Mexico.
Of course, it isn't closed.
Millions of people are pouring across illegally, and they're now turning up in some numbers in your city of Washington to the discountenance of your nincompoor mayor, Bowser.
And so we have an administration with its congressional allies that sit there pretending that everything that is happening is not happening.
And I guess you can do that, but it is not going to be ratified by the voters because, as you said, all of these people who are...
They're paying $5 a gallon gas, unable to find baby food, and are disgusted by millions of illegal entrants of shambles in Afghanistan, skyrocketing crime rates that turn large parts of great cities into shooting galleries, and they won't forget, and they won't fail to recognize the facts when it comes time to devote their pleasure.
And just as a small side note or asterisk there, the individual that Conrad mentioned, the Honorable Tom Tugendhat, Colonel Tugendhat, who made that comment as the Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the Parliament in the UK, that's an individual who at least until recently, I think, was in the running to replace Boris Johnson, potentially, as Prime Minister.
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I haven't seen the latest.
I think he has withdrawn, but I think he'll have an influence on who wins.
So, Rishi, do you think it's Sunak?
And I think when the new government is installed, you know, he will be a prominent cabinet member, which he has not been up to now.
He's an important committee chairman, but not a cabinet member.
Do you think it's soon next to lose, then?
I think so.
That wouldn't be my choice, but I think so, yeah.
Because he's too slippery?
I can tolerate that, but I think he's a high-tax guy.
I think his solution is to spend more and tax more, and that's not conservatism, and it's not what the country wants.
I mean, the fact that his wife's a tax cheat, or, I mean, a reformed tax cheat, doesn't bother me that much.
I mean, I don't think... As I once said to a parliamentary commission in Australia, in general, I don't think the political leaders in any country I know do such a good job with our money that we should pay them any more than we have to.
And you think Boris is done for good or he'll be back?
No, I don't.
And I wrote a piece about that too.
I don't think he is.
And I think the way he was treated was utterly disgraceful.
And I made the point in what I wrote that This is now 15 leaders in a row of the Conservative Party, going back to all of those after Stanley Baldwin in 1937.
None of them have left in good physical and political health altogether voluntarily.
They either were defeated and quit, or they were pushed out.
Even Mr. Churchill, he was 80 and he'd had a stroke, but he was Mr. Churchill, and even Margaret Thatcher, you know, led them to three straight victories.
It's an awful party that way.
The bitterness after Heath was pushed out lasted for a long time.
The bitterness after Thatcher was pushed out lasted for a long time.
And this will, too.
What do you think of Heseltine?
Look, I like him as a man.
He's an able, Man, he was an able member of the government.
He handled the deployment of the missiles very well as Secretary of State for Defense.
And he handled the coal mine thing, which was terribly difficult, also well.
He's an able man and he's a very successful, well-to-do businessman.
But, you know, he was a Euro-enthusiast.
He still is!
He was a raving Euro-joiner, and I just never agreed with him.
He's a friend of mine, but I never agreed with him.
But now he seems to have such disdain for 17.5 million Brits.
He still thinks it's a bad idea and somehow Brexit should be reversed.
Yeah, well, but, you know, fine.
But, Michael, you know, that ship sailed.
You know, you're talking to yourself.
All the polls now show that the country, 70% of them, think it was a good thing to leave.
Yep, yep.
It was a hairline margin on the day, but now it's been, you know, as these things usually are, quite widely ratified.
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We are back with Lord Conrad Black, the author of Donald J. Trump, A President Like No Other and numerous other works.
You can follow him at ConradMBlack on Twitter.
The latest piece is taking a break from the circus.
Lord Black, you were traveling in Europe for a couple of weeks.
You're back.
You switched on the TV, the radio again.
What is your prediction for the next year and a half in American and presidential politics?
I think that it will be, as is widely predicted, a heavy Republican tidal wave in November.
I I don't want to be too arbitrary, but I would think they would gain at least 50 congressmen.
Yes, exactly.
And I think they would gain at least five senators.
And it'll be clear that it's a massive rejection of the Democratic Party, both in the administration and in the Congress.
And a rejection shared By the President, the Speaker, and the Majority Leader in the Senate.
And I think it will be clear at that point that virtually all of those people endorsed by Trump will have been elected, and that as of the end of the midterm campaign and the election, that Trump is effectively the presumptive nominee Because nobody can beat him in the primaries.
And he's therefore the presumptive president, because the Democrats could not possibly win a consecutive election as president after this debacle.
I mean, obviously they'll have to find new candidates.
They won't be running Biden or Harris, but whoever it is, We'll be the Democrat with the donkey icon, and we'll have to carry the can to some extent for this absolute shambles that is embarrassing the whole world.
And I can confirm that doubly after my recent days in Europe.
I mean, everybody's just appalled.
Even people who don't particularly like the United States aren't accustomed to seeing it as, in Mr. Nixon's famous phrase, a pitiful, helpless giant.
And now, the one monkey wrench in that could be if the Democrats succeed in bullying Garland, the Attorney General, into approving an indictment of Trump, even though everyone knows they will.
have a completely spurious case.
I mean, in the District of Columbia, being Republican is a criminal felony.
So they might win in front of a, you know, a rabidly Democratic jury in D.C., but they couldn't sustain such a thing in a serious court of appeal.
So in the end, if they do it, it will keep them out of office for 20 years.
It will be exposed to such a disgraceful abuse of the system.
But if they don't do that, Trump is clearly the nominee, and he's the odds on next president.
And all these people are in denial, are telling themselves that his support is eroding.
But anyone who saw the Kentucky Derby and saw 177,000 people from the billionaires and the boxers down to the racetrack,
So let me ask you your response to a family friend, actually a relative by marriage, who sent me a very long text that I read out and responded to on the show last week, and an arch-conservative big donor and fundraiser to President Trump in the last time around, who said, and this is something I hear again and again and again, he mustn't run because he's too divisive.
I gave my own response.
What is your response to those who call themselves conservatives and say, no, no, no, his time has gone and he needs to ride off into the sunset?
Look, I understand that these people just yield to the temptation about analyzing what They yield to the temptation of saying, let's have Trump policy without Trump.
That's fine.
Except it is Trump policy.
Romney and McCain and Bush and the rest of them were never going to produce a policy that would have the Republican Party poaching heavily on the working class.
Hispanic and African-American fiefdoms that have been in the pocket of the Democrats since the piping days of Franklin D. Roosevelt.
Only Trump could do that.
And secondly, that election was a very questionable result.
I won't say it was stolen, but the fact is, were there 40 million harvested ballots and 50,000 votes flipping in Pennsylvania and any two of Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin, and Trump wins it, it's not clear who really won.
And in those circumstances, you don't reward Trump with Devising the genius technique of using traditional or public capitalism, putting it heavily into underdeveloped and low wage areas, low income areas, to eradicate unemployment and bootstrap those people up or enable them to bootstrap themselves up.
And bring in the votes in millions from people who were traditionally reflexive Democrats.
You don't reward that, and you don't reward a man who's probably been cheated out of his incumbency by throwing him out and saying, tough luck, we like your ideas, but you're too divisive.
He's only too divisive because he's absolutely successful in every major policy adopted.
Was correct, and we now see before us, every day unfolding, the horrifying spectacle of reversing all those policies.
Every one of those reversals has been a complete and shameful failure.
From the border, to crime rates, to Afghanistan, to treating Iran, dealing with Iran, you know, to the shambles of the relations with China.
Yeah, that was far more eloquently put than my monologue last week, and I think I might have to send that audio clip to my relative, of course.
I don't mean to fulminate... No, no, but you're not, you're not.
I mean, I just... It's just, I think it's...
Pretty obvious what's going on.
I wrote down why, you know, these two things that were so obvious.
He's divisive because he's successful and the real, the real test is the reversal of his policies have led to disaster.
There is no empirical way to argue against that and that is why you are Lord Conrad Black.
And if you bring back a complete milquetoast like Romney, he won't be divisive and everything will be fine.
Bingo.
Bingo.
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Next, an update from the front line in Ukraine.
That was so, so clearly put. so clearly put.
Thank you.
You always get me raving, Sebastian.
But it's so helpful, because these things drive me insane.
Every week, a well-meaning person... Well, I agree.
I can't stand it.
I mean, I hear that argument, too.
I mean, he had his chance, and he blew it.
Yes!
He blew it?
I mean, the Trump-Russia collusion, I threw that at him for two years, then two, the two dumbest, most fatuous impeachments in the history of the country, and he blew it?
I mean, the voters blew it.
Yeah, and then this idea that he's somehow weak politically or problematic when he has the greatest number of votes for any incumbent president.
It's like people just, these facts are in front of them and they just, they refuse to internalize them.
Well, people, you know, believe what they want to believe, and they don't believe what they don't want to believe.
So that's how it is.
But they're in a dream world.
I mean, what is going to happen, I think, is, as I say, the day after the election, people are going to say, well, wait a minute here.
We're now less than two years to the election, only a year and a half, less than a year and a half until when the candidates are known.
Nobody's going to stop Trump.
I mean, of course he's going to win.
I mean, he's going to swamp them in the primaries.
And I don't think any serious person is going to run against him.
No.
There will be narcissists.
There will be narcissists, but no serious persons.
Look, it would be like Jim Farley, who was a great party chairman, deciding that since Roosevelt didn't declare whether he was seeking a third term, he would run.
So he threw his hat in the ring, and needless to say, he got completely steamrolled by what was a rigged convention masquerading as a draft.
And he was out as party chairman.
Say it's the Potomac Fever, then they'd pay the price for it.
But I think Trump will make his deal with DeSantis and say, look, you stick with me.
You're only in your 40s.
You're my man for 28.
Bingo.
Exactly.
If Ron is sensible, that is what he does.
Alright, thank you.
It may be a straight glide path.
No, it's straight in at 28.
Perfect.
Straight in at 28.
Thank you, Conrad.
Superb.
Thank you so much.
God bless.
Bye-bye.
Why?
Bye.
Well, get him to ring us.
Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen.
Yes.
Why it has to be 2024?
Why it has to be 2024, why it has to be Trump.
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Journalism is dead.
We know that as a fact.
There are very, very few people out there that deserve the title of journalist today.
In the meantime, we have people... Well, we thought the border wasn't being covered, so what did we do here at America First?
We bought a camera, and with Jeff, we flew down to the border, and we hung out with Sheriff Mark Lamb Pinal County Sheriff and we found our own evidence of what is really happening.
So that's what you have to do.
You have to fill the gaps.
Somebody else who has done this just recently I have in front of me in my hand the product of what he has done is Well, he's not a journalist.
I think he'd probably find that an insult.
He's the editor of the greatest gun publication on the planet.
It's called Recoil.
Beyond that, he served in the British Army.
And not only that, he was the winner of Top Shot Season 1.
And we're delighted to have him on the show.
Ian Harris, welcome back to America First.
Sebastian, great to see you.
All right, so you have done something quite remarkable.
You've sent me the fruits of a trip to Ukraine.
So why did you decide that as somebody who has a very safe, successful life here in the United States, an immigrant like myself, that you had to go to a war zone?
War zones are where you find the greatest concentration of truth and also the greatest concentration of lies.
So I thought I'd go there and just go on behalf of Recoil, readers who I think expect this sort of level of journalism, and go and find out some hard facts for myself.
Let's start at the beginning.
Your article is going to be in Recoil.
Is it going to be in the hard copy or online or both and when can people read the full article?
It's going to be on both locations, sir.
It should go live this afternoon on our website.
Okay.
You had a rather interesting trip to get out there through Poland, but first I want to ask you, what is the status, what is the frame of mind, what is the esprit de corps, what is the mental health of the Ukrainians that you met in theatre?
The guys who are rotating back from the front line, it was a mixed bag, very much a mixed bag.
I think in the West, media especially, we tend to portray people with either black hats or white hats and try as well to simplify our worldview down to just, you know, A or B. And it's, you know, real life is not like that.
And certainly the guys that I spoke to, Some guys, say from the International Legion, were basically being used as cannon fodder.
And then other guys... Hang on, let's just slow down here.
So the volunteers from other countries weren't being treated well?
They were fighting a war with limited resources, put it that way.
And it was interesting to see, it was interesting to get that perspective.
They're certainly bearing the brunt of a lot of the fighting.
The Ukrainian SF guys that I spoke to were better equipped and basically because I think they were more of a cohesive unit and had been training and fighting since 2014.
And definitely the difference between the two perspectives was telling.
There's one line in here.
Let's talk about the harsh realities of going up as the 20th ranked nation in the world militarily against the second rank.
There's a line.
Keep it clean, by the way, because you are on national radio, Harrison.
There's a line about Tylenol.
Talk to us about the line about Tylenol in your article.
Yeah, and one of the medics I spoke to from the International Legion Basically said that their medical supplies were low to the point where they were giving people who received either gunshot or shrapnel wounds Tylenol.
No morphine, no opioids.
It was basically just NSAIDs and grin and bear it and get on with it.
So, this gives you some indication as to the conditions on the front.
Hold it right there.
We're going to continue.
We're going to hold you over for a couple of more segments.
The article that will be published imminently at Recall Magazine is Truth is the First Casualty of War, which is, of course, an understatement.
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Mic's on.
Alright, so let's- can we get this video up?
Yes!
Alright, we're gonna have to get- we're gonna have to get you to- There you go!
There he is.
Nice.
Excellent.
Have we got his sound?
Is his sound up?
It should- did you do something to it?
I haven't- Say something Ian.
Can you hear me, Mr. Harrison?
Can you hear me?
Why is it- One.
Three.
Four.
Oh, good.
That's better.
Keep- keep talking.
Do you want the mic live?
Mic's on?
Yeah, mic's alive.
Keep talking.
in one two three four five six all right um okay so you can join us on thursday on tv okay good this is superb so is this going to be multiple pieces um i hope so because we want to go back and we want to set up the training card over there
um and as i said try and reduce the number of ifacs that are going to be required by increasing guys here in the field um is that When you come on the TV show, you said you took a lot of footage.
Is there anything we can use as B-roll when you're on the TV show?
Like 30 seconds, 60 seconds.
If you could pick something and send it to Jeff, then we'll use that when you're on air with me.
Yeah, for sure.
For sure.
I'll set up Dropbox link so that you can get hold of that.
Great.
It's so good you did this.
Thank you, Ian.
My pleasure.
So how many of you did you take?
How many of you were there?
There's two of us.
That was it.
The little charity that Steve Krosky, he's a lawyer out of Florida and married to a Ukrainian lady.
He set that up and then They've moved about 11 tons of medical supplies over there just by jumping on aircraft and overloading their baggage and just taking it out there and then putting it in civilian cars and taking it across the border.
All right, I want to put that in the URL, Eric.
It's peoplehelpingpeopleacrossborders.com.
I'm finding the URL right now.
Peoplehelpingpeopleacrossborders.com, hang on.
The URL is letmehelppeople.com.
Hang on.
What is it?
Let me help?
What is it?
What is it?
HelpUA.com.
LetMeHelpUA.com.
Yep.
Let.
LetMeHelpYouA.com.
Me.
Yep.
Let me help. LetMeHelpYouA.com.
Is reality just too much?
There's always NPR.
I hear they have tote bags.
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We're talking to the editor of the best firearms publication out there.
It is Recall Magazine.
He is Ian Harrison, another American with an excellent accent because he comes from Blighty.
Ian has just been to the battlefields of Ukraine.
You were helping or you were helped by the good offices of a Steve and Victoria Krosky who have a foundation called People Helping People Across Borders.
Will you say a little bit about the Kroskys, Ian?
Yes, of course.
I'd be delighted to.
It's a fantastic organization.
It is very, very grassroots.
In fact, it's the epitome of grassroots.
And they've managed to move almost 11 tons of supplies into Ukraine just by the simple expedient method of jumping on aircraft, overloading their baggage allowance, and then taking the bags off, putting them in civilian cars, and running them across the border.
And at the same time, after they drop off the supplies, they then grab refugees all Girls and women who can't have their menfolk escorted across the border themselves because the restrictions have been placed on military age males in Ukraine.
So we had a bunch of reports with regards to human trafficking and people disappearing as they cross the border.
And so the return trip is then we then escort women and girls out of Ukraine And into the arms of aid agencies who can then place them as refugees.
Well, God bless them.
We have to get them on the show.
That's Steve and Victoria Krosky, the organization's people helping people across borders.
You're former British military.
You're also the champion of, what was it, Top Shot season one.
You made some observations in this article that you sent me before it's been published.
God bless you.
Thank you for sharing that.
About what's happening on the battlefield right now.
Putin The head of the Russian Federation is in Tehran.
He is at a summit with the Mullers, with the IRGC, with Erdogan of Turkey.
And one of the subjects of that meeting is Iranian UAVs, drones, to be potentially purchased by Russia.
Why is that a big deal?
Talk to us about what you found out on the battlefield in Ukraine.
If there's one aspect of warfare that I think has really been highlighted by the current conflict, and that is the use of drones, and it's use of drones at all levels.
Some of the guys I spoke to on the front line were being overflown 10 to 20 times a day by small drones, and a lot of times you can't see them.
So they're being used very much in the role of directing artillery, of reconnaissance, of spotting for other troops and directing troops on to on to defensive positions.
And there is new there's really very little in the way of counter drone measures that are effectively deployed at the Soviet and the unit level.
So I think that's something that we're going to have to address as a country as well as a nation when we go up to next deploy our troops overseas is that it's a very real Yeah, the Russians have a practice.
It's basically irradiating everything in the sky with massive doses of microwaves.
That's their tactic.
Talk to us about, you spoke about the foreign assistance.
the people who are being volunteered or volunteering for fighting there.
You talked about the Ukrainian soldiers and the SF, the special forces.
What about Ukrainians, the civilians who aren't fighting?
Did you get to talk to them?
How are they dealing with this?
Do they see this as the long haul?
Are they prepared to fight till the bitter end, Ian?
In short, yes.
Morale is extremely high.
Everybody realizes that, at least I should qualify that, the people that I spoke to realize that this is a battle for their nation's survival.
And they're doing everything they can in order to facilitate and improve a lot of the guys at the front.
And there is a lot of very, very patriotic Ukrainians that we worked with that, okay, they're not fighting, but they're doing everything they can in order to assist those who are.
You mentioned in the article that you met a former member of the Azov Battalion.
I have to ask the question because they're accusing this diminutive little Jewish president of being a Nazi.
Did you see a lot of Nazis on the battlefield, Ian Harrison?
So I actually asked that question and I was talking to them.
So you guys are a bunch of Nazis, right?
And he basically just laughed.
Yeah, no, we use a lot of pagan symbolism, which predates 1930s Germany by about 2,000 years.
And so consequently, Russia has capitalized on that and really is putting the screws to them in terms of trying to win that information war.
But no, to put it bluntly, I did not see any evidence of Nazis on the battlefield.
Why am I not surprised?
We're going to keep you for one short segment.
I want to talk to you about Second Amendment issues back here in the United States.
But just one last question.
You talked about drones.
What's the thing that you're going to organize some training for them?
What is the thing they need the most?
Is it ammunition?
Is it training?
Is it Soviet-era equipment from other NATO nations?
Was there something they identified to you that they need stat?
One thing that I think they're going to need as the war enters It leaves its third phase and enters the fourth, which is when the Ukrainians are going to mount a counter-offensive.
Talking to some of their line infantry, I asked them, you know, are you spun up when we go into urban areas?
Are you spun up in post-war battle?
Are you spun up in advanced combat medicine?
Do you know how to breach?
And they basically looked at me like I had two heads.
So urban warfare.
So they need training in urban warfare.
All right, beautiful stuff.
That's why we love Recall Magazine.
It's at Recall Boss for him, for Ian, and at Recall Mag for the magazine.
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What was your regimen, Ian? Ian? - Useless.
It's fine.
Wikipedia is so good.
They don't even have that.
I can't find their URL for this charity.
It's hard.
I searched on Google.
I couldn't find anything.
I know.
With their names included.
Nothing.
The website is letmehelpua.com.
Let.
Me.
Help.
U-A is in the letters?
U-N-A?
No, aid.
Yep.
Aid isn't the word aid?
Uh, no, just UA.
Oh, UA!
Oh, yeah, like Ukraine.
Yeah, UA.
Okay, okay.
Let me help UA.com.org.
Uh... Let me help UA.
Let's try .com.
Yep.
Yep, that's it.
Dot com.
Alright.
Put that up in the last chyron for the show.
There it is.
Yep.
Alrighty.
Are these the people we had on before, Jeff?
Do you remember that Ukrainian couple?
I don't.
What's the name again?
Krosky, Victoria, and Sleepy.
Weren't they brother and sister, I thought, that we had on?
They talked about their father?
They did.
That was... I don't believe it was them.
They didn't mention it when I saw it.
They did?
No, they didn't.
Her name was Mary.
Okay, then let's get this couple on as well, Jeff.
All right.
See why they call you the doctor?
Because you can operate.
Magnificent.
We are back with Ian Harrison.
It is the best gun publication out there.
Recoilweb.com is the publication.
Recoilweb.com.
The charity that he connected with to go to the Ukraine is Let Me Help UA, which is the international abbreviation for Ukraine.
Let's put it up.
There you go.
Thank you.
Let Me Help UA.
We're going to get them on the show as well.
Ian, let's have a shift of azimuth for the last couple of minutes.
Will you stop smiling so much in the editorial photographs of your magazine?
All he does is grimace.
He just has this super sexy gun and he just grimaces.
But on a more serious note, the Biden administration, should we be afraid when it comes to the Second Amendment or are they just a bunch of pikers?
Right now, with the Bruin decision from the Supreme Court, and especially the opinion handed down by Justice Thomas, I think the Biden administration, no matter how much they bluster, have a very hard road to hoe in trying to take away the rights of American citizens.
But we don't get complacent, right?
Not at all.
Not at all.
And if anybody does try to do that, then we need to hold their feet to the fire.
And a message for the, what is it, I think the latest count was 33, 34 million new gun owners in the last two years, as the guy helming Recall Magazine.
What is your message to the new members of our family, Ian?
First of all, welcome.
We don't care who you, you know, what your color, creed, who you love.
Don't care.
Just welcome.
It's a big tent.
Come out, come train with us, come shoot with us.
You'll be made extremely welcome.
Last question.
When I saw you at SHOT Show, I think it was the SIG 365.
Got to ask you now, what is your carry weapon of choice at the moment, Mr. Harrison?
Captain Harrison?
It is still a P365 in name only, however, it's evolved, so I now have an Icarus precision frame on it, and a comp from Park & Mountain Machines, so it shoots like a full-size gun, but carries like a subcompact.
Being able to make 100-yard torso hits with it, it's fun.
It's a great, great piece.
Just like Obama's relationship to the idea of homosexual marriage, and Biden's relationship to abortion, it's evolved!
His CIG 365 has evolved.
Thank you, Ian, for giving us an incredible, what the mainstream media won't do, we will do it here, and he has done it by actually telling us the latest from the battlefield in Ukraine, and they're going to help the Ukrainians with training for phase four in this war because they have to beat those Russian bastards.
It's help me.
It's letmehelpua.com.
Letmehelpua.com.
Don't forget, this is America First.
Next up, it's one-on-one, a whole hour with none other than Ari Fleischer, former White House press secretary.
Wherever you are, whatever you're doing, don't you dare touch that dial.
On Thursday, are you going to be in the same place that you are are you going to be in the same place that you On Thursday, are you going to be in the same place that you are now?
Uh, can be.
No, no, I mean, when it comes to internet connectivity, are you going to be the same strength, same...
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay, good.
What we're gonna have to do, what we're gonna have to work out, do you have an old pair of headphones that has an inline mic?
iPhone headphones?
Because we're gonna need for you to sit further away from the camera to frame you up better for the TV, because right now you're this massive head.
But I don't want to lose the, I don't want you to be too far away from the microphone.
So you might want to just have that with you on Thursday.
Okay, no problem.
I've got a wireless lab.
I can, uh... Yeah, yeah.
If the wireless lab gives us a good enough audio, then we'll definitely use that instead.
Okay, perfect.
Perfect.
That was excellent, dude.
Thank you.
Thanks for the opportunity, sir.
Do me a favor.
Will you take a photograph of the 365 and send it to me?
I want to see what it looks like.
Yeah, you can do that now.
Yeah, cheers.
All right.
Thanks, buddy.
Talk to you Thursday.
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If you were the White House press secretary for a president, irrespective of party, I don't care whether it was a conservative, a Democrat, a libertarian, independent from the planet Mars, it doesn't matter.
And your incumbent president, well, let's just say a voicemail was left to...
To his son, which was leaked to the media, which contradicted completely what that president had already said about his knowledge of his son's nefarious business dealings.
How would you react?
Let's probably say it wouldn't be like this.
Why is there a voicemail of the President talking to his son about his overseas business dealings if the President has said he's never spoken to his son about his overseas business dealings?
Well, first, I'll say that what the President said stands.
So, if that's what the President said, that is what stands.
And secondly... He's put a voicemail around a New York Times article concerning Hunter Biden's business dealings, and he says, I think you're clear.
How is that not him talking to his son about his overseas business dealings?
We're not, from this podium, I am not going to talk about alleged materials from the laptop.
Are you disputing the President's voice on the voicemail?
I am not going to talk about alleged materials on the laptop.
Are you disputing that it is not... Peter, I refer you to his son's representative.
I'm just not going to talk to you about that topic from this podium!
Well, let's talk to somebody who spent a lot of time at that podium during some of the toughest times in American recent history, including 9-11 and the anthrax attack.
He's a good friend of this show, a fellow Hungarian-American, Ari Fleischer.
Welcome to America First One-on-One.
Thank you.
It's always good to be with you.
That's so kind.
That's so kind.
OK, we have a big, big news here.
You are number one in the politics section on Amazon with your brand new book.
You're dueling it out with your Fox colleague, Pete Hegseth, with your book, Suppression, Deception, Snobbery and Bias.
Why the press gets so much wrong and just doesn't care.
That last piece of it is the most important one as far as I'm concerned.
But let's dive right in here.
When everybody, if they wish to, and it has nothing to do with the laptop, this is a hack of an iCloud account, Hunter Biden's account, everybody can hear the voicemail Joe Biden left his son saying, I've seen the article coming out in the New York Times tomorrow.
It's okay, you're in the clear.
Shouldn't that be something that any press secretary should have something to say about, Ari?
No.
Because when you're Joe Biden's press secretary, what she's really saying is, this is a topic that's off-limits, it's taboo, I won't talk about it, and I know no one other than Fox News will ask me about it because all the rest of the reporters in this room are soft and easy on my boss, so therefore I don't have to.
And she gets away with it.
So she gave the perfect answer because she knows how the mainstream media would react.
So, let's dig a little bit deeper.
We've seen amazing fluctuation.
People thought that our administration, the Trump administration, had a lot of revolving doors.
I think the news as of yesterday, of Monday, is that the vice president's speechwriter, after just four months in office, has already handed in their notice and is leaving.
Is something happening?
Can they get on or get away with this in perpetuity for the next four years?
Or are you seeing a sudden crisis?
We heard Joe Biden on Monday say, oh, my dear, my poor husband, so many crises.
Well, isn't that the job of a president and his team to deal with crisis?
You and President Bush had to deal with one of the biggest.
Yeah.
You know, the question is, can they get away with this type of personnel turnover for the next four years or remaining four years?
The answer is yes, because Sebastian, Joe Biden, is not going to run for president again.
Anybody who thinks, after the drubbing the Democrats are about to take this November, where the Democratic Party does not want Joe Biden, the 82-year-old man, to lead them into the future.
You're fooling yourself.
Joe Biden will declare in early 2023 that he is no longer a candidate.
He will not run for the presidency.
And then it's going to be Katy Barr the door.
People are going to leave the White House in droves and new candidates are going to emerge.
There'll be some 20 or 30 Democrats running.
It's going to be an amazing situation.
We haven't been that way in this country since Lyndon Baines Johnson in the early 1960s or mid-60s when he declared, I'm sorry, in the early 60s when he declared he would not be a candidate for the presidency in 1968.
Well, we will see soon enough.
We have that very strange campaign trail interview when somebody asked the then candidate Biden, what will you do if you have a disagreement with your number two in office?
And he actually said on camera, still gobsmacked by this, he said, oh, I'll do what I promised to do with Obama if we had a disagreement.
I'll quote, invent An ailment and I'll resign.
Is that going to happen?
He's already promised it.
Let's have a look at the book.
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Suppression, Deception, Snobbery and Bias.
Why the Press Gets So Much Wrong and Just Doesn't Care.
Let's talk about the first word there.
Perhaps the most disturbing of all.
Talk to us about what you've witnessed in terms of suppression of the stories in the mainstream media in the last five years, Ari.
Well, and frankly, let me tell you why I wrote this book.
And you know, Sebastian, I call the balls and strikes as I see them.
I was very much for President Trump's policies.
Sometimes I would criticize his behavior and his tweets.
But I try to be fair.
And when I watch the mainstream media cover him, when I watch their Ridiculous gobs of coverage about collusion, about the Steele dossier, how unfair and biased they were toward President Trump.
I just knew I had to blow a whistle.
It was wrong how the press treated him.
It hurt our democracy.
It hurts our country when the press becomes activists for a cause, and that cause was to get Donald Trump.
And so I wrote this book and it's full of examples of how the press air stories that were deceptive that made President Trump look bad or Republicans look bad or populists look bad.
They They suppressed news, news that would have hurt Joe Biden and helped Donald Trump, of which there was much.
They suppressed it.
They didn't let the American people hear about it.
And the manner in which they cover the news is so snobbish.
They look down at half this country.
They look down at people who own guns or whose grandfather taught them to hunt or who pray every day or who think life might begin at conception.
And so I wrote this book about the bias I see.
Suppression, deception, snobbery, and bias, and I blow my whistle on the mainstream media.
How bad can you compare for us comparatively when you were at that podium to the situation today?
What has been the marked deterioration in the media?
Was it overnight?
Was it the Obama years?
Is it Trump derangement syndrome?
Or was it just a gradual deterioration?
As you who've been there at the podium, what has been the evolution of this rot?
Well put.
It is remarkably different.
When I was there, everybody knew that the mainstream media was liberal.
But they really tried not to be activists.
They knew their job was to be objective and put information on the air that could claim to be objectively true.
Their agenda was liberal.
The things they asked about were liberal.
But their reporting, they at least had the pretense of being objective.
That is blown to smithereens.
It was blown to smithereens in part by the internet, in part by technology, social media, the ease of giving your opinion as a reporter.
It was blown to smithereens in part because reporters just are so liberal and democratic to begin with.
It is also blown to smithereens because of President Trump.
President Trump gave good to the press.
The press decided they were going to give it good back.
But worse than that, the mainstream media decided that the American people made a mistake by electing Donald Trump in 2016.
And they were there to fix the mistake.
And this is why I call them out.
It is up to the people to decide who our president should be.
It should never be up to the media or the agenda they set.
But they decided that Hillary should have been president, that Trump was dangerous, and to save our democracy.
The press started to air stories that were wrong, air stories that were deceptive.
That is bad for democracy.
That is dangerous to the country.
It increases the polarization in this country.
And my conclusion is one of the big problems in America today is the mainstream media themselves.
Yeah.
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You are a straight shooter.
You do call balls and strikes, and you have one of the most, you know, honest Twitter channels out there.
Let's talk about what you saw in terms of The four-year reaction to President Trump, which hasn't diminished in the last year.
I recall a month before the election in 2015, the New York Times, in this quote-unquote scientific poll, said Hillary has a 92% chance of winning.
And then on the night of the election, the Huffington Post, I've saved the tweet because I think I need to get it framed.
On the night of the election, the Huffington Post said something to the Equivalence of Hillary has a 96% chance of winning and Donald Trump is a 2.3% chance of winning.
That's on the night of the election.
So here's my honest question to you.
What are the dynamics?
How do people who are supposed to, for a living, process information, get it so stinking wrong that 64 million Americans chose the other person, not Hillary?
Do they really just sit in their cocktail parties at Georgetown and just talk to fellow Democrats?
How do they get it so wrong again and again and again, Ari?
Sebastian, twice I've gone to, I was invited by the Columbia Journalism School to go to their classes and meet with young reporters, and both times I did it, I asked them in the previous presidential election, who did you vote for, Democrat or Republican?
24 to 0 was the count, Democrat to Republican.
Yeah.
The problem with newsrooms is in its original sin, that my first chapter in the book is called Original Sin, They consist of too many like-minded people who drink alike, talk alike, act alike, think alike.
They cannot understand people, Sebastian, who pray every day.
They have a hard time understanding people who were raised with weapons in their homes or whose grandfather took them out hunting.
They don't understand people.
They look down on people who think life begins at conception.
So when you are surrounded by everybody who thinks the way you do, has disdain for people who think otherwise, you minimize the otherwise, you think those people, who could be those people, and you miss the news.
You miss the story.
You live in your own bubble.
And I lament it.
I decry it in my book.
It is journalism's original sin, and it's why they're so badly out of touch and didn't see Trump's victory coming.
They should have been able to see it.
They should have been able to say something is amiss in the country.
There are too many blue-collar workers who feel aggravated, who think the economy is bad, who've lost their jobs to China or Mexico.
Why couldn't they be in touch?
So one of the things I found in this book, a Pew study, that shows the only group of Americans who say the press understands them are college-educated Democrats.
That's it.
If you're a Democrat with just a high school degree, you told Pew, the press doesn't understand me.
Independents, high school or college, press doesn't understand me.
Republicans, of course, say that about the press.
The press has driven itself into a little, narrow, ideological, cultural cul-de-sac where they can only relate to themselves, and that's still in good journalism.
Now, I don't want to make excuses for these people because they're persistently showing that they are biased, but talk to us a little bit about the dynamics of what has changed in media since you were at that podium.
Twenty years ago, there was still media.
You didn't have to look hard for real journalists, but I think the impact of social media, the impact of the internet, meant that the old-school journalists, people like you and I know, you know, the rich ministers of the world, who'd have expense accounts, would fly across Africa, you know, tracking down al-Qaeda terrorists, interviewing them, doing a 5,000-word multi-piece, you know, expose in the Wall Street Journal.
That doesn't happen I mean, that's dead.
That's buried.
That's gone.
Instead, the 23-year-old graduate from the journalism school at Columbia is given a laptop and a Google account, and they are labeled a journalist.
And the emphasis is on clicks, on advertising clicks, and getting the story first, not getting the right story.
I know it's a little bit of an exaggeration, but has the change in the industry and the mechanics of information Well, I think all you have to do is look at CNN.
Yeah.
And you see that their daytime reporters and anchors have been licensed to become advocates, activists.
So much of what they say on the air is not the voice of an objective, neutral reporter.
And it's not just the 23-year-olds.
It's the 40-year-olds, the 50-year-olds, it's the anchors.
They have become, with the permission of the former head of CNN, an activist determined to take Donald Trump down.
And again, it's why I wrote my book.
I spent a lot of time watching CNN to write this book.
There's a chapter about CNN in the book.
The book actually begins with a Don Lemon episode where he's interviewing two guests who are both anti-Trump guests.
They are mocking derisively Trump voters.
Not just Trump, But people who are for Donald Trump, they're laughing at them.
They talk with disdain about them.
They call them rubes.
They call them, basically, people to be held in disdain.
And one of them puts on a fake Southern accent and pretends he's a Trump supporter.
And the other just, they belt him back and forth, mocking Trump voters.
Don Lemon, the anchor from CNN, is laughing his head off.
He bends over and starts wiping a tear from his eye.
He was crying, laughing so hard.
And then he says, thank you.
I needed that.
I don't understand in what world CNN thinks this is good for the country or good for journalism to mock half the country.
And when you're a conservative, a populist, if you see this, all you say is, these people hate me.
These people don't understand me.
And it polarizes.
This is what polarizes America.
So the problem really is when newsrooms say your job is not just to tell the news fairly factually and accurately down the middle.
Your job is to play a role and give the public what their opinion should be.
This is destroying journalism.
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So, Ari, right after the election, the publisher of the New York Times held an all-hand staff meeting, and the content was leaked, and allegedly he said, Yeah, I think we got something wrong there with regards to Hillary.
We might have to change our practices, be a little bit more open, hire other people.
Of course, none of that happened.
And that's how we get cuts like this from Katie Tur just this weekend.
This is five years later.
Play cut.
There was just a Gallup poll out today that shows that the trust in media and newspapers and television is hitting an all-time low.
People don't trust us, they don't believe us, and it makes me wonder if this job, as I'm currently doing it, is effective, but if it's doing more harm than good.
I mean, I could laugh, you know, grab my belly and just, you know, like a big Santa Claus laugh there.
But, I mean, seriously, the lack of... Oh, I wonder, six years later, why we are hated so much.
That's like a comedy skit from when SNL was good, Ari, no?
It's not the job that's the problem.
The job of journalism is noble and necessary.
It's the way they're doing the job.
They're doing the job with putting their finger on the scale.
They're putting their whole writing hand on the scale and some of them put their whole bodies on the scale.
It's the bias.
She acknowledges it.
She sees it.
Sebastian, just this very week, another poll came out that said news outlets whose audience is mostly left, Don't think by two-to-one margin it's worth telling two sides of a story.
Yeah.
Whose outlets, whose audiences are mostly right, said by 60-40, yes, you tell both sides of a story.
The liberal media thinks there's only one side, and it is not the populist side, not the conservative side, not the Republican side, certainly not the Trump side, nor will it be the DeSantis side, the Christy Noem side, the Ted Cruz side, the Tom Cotton side.
Whoever follows Donald Trump, whether it's in 24 or 28, they're going to do to them what they did to Trump.
Because it's in their genes.
Until journalism gets a booster shot of independence, conservative thought, conservatives in the newsroom, people who think differently aren't cut from the same cloth.
Journalism will continue to make the same mistakes.
And the word that's very interesting that you've highlighted on the cover of your new book is snobbery.
Is that something that can be fixed with HR policies?
I mean, isn't the challenge really a cult?
When you disdain millions of people, it's very hard to fix that, isn't it?
Well, if I ran journalism schools that had a 24 to nothing ratio of Democrats to Republicans, of Democrat voters to Republican voters, I would say in the interview process to an applicant, Tell me about your hobbies.
What do you like to do in your spare time?
And if they said, I like to hunt, I like to go shoot, I like to fish, I might think that these people are the types of different voices I need in my newsroom.
You can figure out a lot about people in an interview process, but they won't do that.
I hope or will because they need that diversity of thought in the newsroom.
But, Sebastian, they care about gender diversity.
They care about sexual orientation diversity.
They care about racial diversity.
The most powerful diversity of all There's a diversity of the mind.
There's a diversity of ideas, of thoughts.
This is how you intellectually bring something to a bigger, richer, better life.
This is how you shape ideas and have good debates.
But when a newsroom is so lopsided, they can't possibly think that people could intelligently vote for Donald Trump.
I have to ask you, because you must have all your old connections.
Is there anybody off record, behind the scenes, who's working at CNN or New York Times or whatever, who says, yeah, yeah, we've got a real problem, Ari, but I don't know what to do.
Are there some normal people that you still talk to in the legacy media?
I'm just curious.
I do.
I hear that from reporters.
I've actually gotten one real notable email as a result of my book with a reporter from the mainstream media telling me just that.
I do think, and I say this in the book, there's a split between older reporters and younger generations of reporters.
I think there still are a number of reporters who want to be objective, neutral, and down the middle.
That's how they were raised to be journalists.
That's how they tried to practice it.
But this new generation, particularly when it involves social issues, or racial justice, or social justice as it's called, are pushing these old-timers out.
Because these newer reporters come in thinking the news should be subjective.
There's something inherently wrong with objectivity because there are not two sides to every issue.
And so they only want to tell one.
And of course, that is their determination of who is right and who is wrong, which is subjective in and of itself and bias.
So I think there's a strain underway.
One chapter in my book is called The Way It Was, and I kind of walk through the evolution of how journalism has changed.
And I conclude, I think 30, 40 years ago, it was much more fulfilling to be a reporter.
I think a lot of them lament what's happened to their industry now, but they can't stop it.
Yeah.
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I want everybody to get the book.
The book is Suppression, Deception, Snobbery and Bias.
Why the press gets so much wrong and just doesn't care.
But what does it take to fix it?
Because, look, I have a modest radio show.
We've been on air for three and a half years now we have an audience in the millions three million live listeners across the nation from california to new york then we've got the video streams the podcast and everything else and then i look at cnn the one that you devoted a chapter to in the book and i say This is amazing.
Now that President Trump has left the White House, on a good night, they get 400,000 viewers out of a nation of 320 million.
And this is why I will never be invited back onto Anderson Cooper's show on air, on his show live.
I said, look, I know it's embarrassing when more people are watching reruns of Scooby-Doo and Yogi Bear than CNN, but surely... And this isn't a criticism of you.
Should we not be giving them that much oxygen if they only have 300,000 viewers?
Aren't they going to eventually collapse in on themselves or are they just pet projects like the Washington Post is a vanity project of Bezos?
Can you take us to the end point where there's some kind of resolution or collapse?
I think the balkanization of news is bad for democracy.
I know, and I am part of it, and I enjoy it.
Conservative media is booming.
People increasingly want to hear a conservative voice.
Liberal media is dying.
I still say to you, I don't think it's good for democracy.
I would much rather have everybody in this country, myself included, be able to go to one source, be told what took place, what the facts were, and then let me and the other people in this country figure out what it means.
I want the reporters to tell me what happened, and then I will give you my opinion and my analysis.
I don't want the press doing that for me.
And I hear it all the time.
People say, where can I go just to get the truth about what happened?
So I do think it would be better for our democracy if people were like that.
And then we can go left, right, center.
And it's up to the people.
It's not up to the journalists to tell us what the right answer is.
But what do you think is going to happen if you have 300,000 viewers?
How long can you maintain that?
Who's going to advertise with CNN when you've got, you know, a fraction of a conservative radio show host's audience?
Well, this is why it's fascinating.
The new ownership at CNN is trying, they say, they're going to take CNN in a different direction, a more objective, neutral return to basics direction.
And I'm fascinated by this experiment.
I'm, one, fascinated to see if they mean it.
Two, who will they fire?
And three, can they be successful as a business?
We should all keep our eye on that, and I do believe it's important to democracy.
I'm going to read from your book some of the things the mainstream media told us, and I want you to tell me which one was the most shocking or the most damaging to America.
Donald Trump colluded with Russia.
The Steele dossier is true.
Church bells rang in Paris and fireworks were set off in London when Biden won the election.
Russia secretly offered Afghan militants bounties to kill US troops.
Kim Jong-un is brain-dead.
Oh, this is a classic one.
Melania Trump, I forgot this one, turned the Rose Garden into a neo-fascist parade ground.
Or Nicholas Sandman was a murderous thug and, uh, was a thug and Kyle Rittenhouse was a white supremacist.
Or the last one, COVID-19 could not possibly have originated in a bioweapons lab in China.
I mean, that's quite a list to choose from, isn't it Ari?
Amazingly, every single one of those was reported on the air as the truth by the press.
There was Katie Turr, who you just showed a clip from, of NBC, MSNBC, who said that Kim Jong-un was brain dead.
He's brain alive.
The one that I get the biggest kick out of is, and it shows how like-minded reporters are, when Joe Biden was declared the victor the Saturday after the Tuesday election, church bells did ring in Paris.
Fireworks did go off in London.
CNN, ABC, and NBC reported to their viewers it was an international celebration of Biden's win and Trump's loss.
You know what?
It was the weekly call to mass in Paris of the church bells ringing.
And it was a 500-year-old holiday in England called Bonfire Night, Guy Fawkes Day.
Guy Fawkes, right.
A fascination attempt of King James I in 1605.
They mark it with fireworks.
None of this had anything to do with our election.
But when you're a liberal reporter and everybody in your newsroom can't stand Trump and they're all celebrating that Trump is gone, you think the world looks like you do and thinks like you do.
So you just put it on the air.
And again, that's why I called my book Deception.
That was deceptive reporting.
And then when it was pointed out to them, no, it had nothing to do with the American election, they just kind of quietly went on to the next story, didn't correct it, didn't apologize.
I mean, these reporters were a laughingstock in England.
Everybody was laughing at them, thinking, how can you say this has anything to do with Biden?
Have you seen anything at a managerial level in the last six years where, I'm not talking about promises, like the publisher of the New York Times said, yes, yes, we've got to fix things, but not promises, but in fact, any remedial measures that the legacy media has taken in the right direction?
I'm curious.
I just, you know, I'd like to see one.
Well, first and foremost, all these things were done because the management of the media companies pushed reporters to get Trump.
I mean, that seems too blunt, but what they were saying is Donald Trump is a danger to democracy, and so if the news is anti-Trump, it gets a bump.
We'll put it on the air, even if it's not true.
But yeah, CNN.
You do have to say CNN fired Jeff Zucker because of his lying to CNN and his support for Governor Cuomo, where he was giving advice to Andrew Cuomo for how Cuomo could survive the sexual assault allegations against him.
So they fired their former head, Jeff Zucker, who really was the one pushing CNN to become activists.
And now they say they'll go neutral.
We'll see, for the reasons I discussed earlier, but that certainly is one.
Are you holding your breath on CNN as a neutral platform, Ari?
I'm sorry, I'm laughing, but after the last 20 years, I have to laugh.
No, but I am hopeful.
I'll never give up hope for it because journalism has to change, Sebastian.
Yes.
It's just not good for all of us, left, right or center.
And you know, the group that really is hurt the most by liberal bias, we conservatives have gotten so used to it, it can roll off our back and we just know we have to work twice as hard.
Yeah.
But liberals, I mean, imagine being the liberal who just watched MSNBC and read the New York Times and was convinced for sure that Hillary was going to win.
I know far too many of them.
I know far too many of them, in fact, in my wife's family as well, and I don't know how you function.
If you only watch CNN and read the New York Times, I truly do not know how you function in the real world.
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President Trump has made his decision.
I know he's made his decision.
He is running.
The question is, when is he announcing?
My hunch says, given what somebody said to me last week, he will announce before the midterms.
What would your one piece of advice be to President Trump in terms of if he wins, he's back in the White House, whoever his press secretary is, what should he do differently or what should he add?
You can be Twitter, can be nicknames for his opponents.
If Ari Fleischer had a magic wand and Donald Trump would listen to him, what would you say?
The most important thing if he is reelected is to recognize the independence of the Department of Justice.
I know he wants to settle some scores.
I know he has some things that he believes were wrong.
But it's not good for the country if a president pushes the Department of Justice to make criminal decisions.
It has to be blind.
It cannot have White House interference or influence.
Respect the independence of the Department of Justice.
And is that, I mean that has to be in praxis, but is there a communications aspect to that?
Does he have to say that?
Or is that already too defensive?
Or just act in accordance to that?
He'll get asked that in the course of the campaign, and he should say it, and then he should govern by it, too.
That's the most important, in reality, that he governs by it.
Look, his gut is so good.
The things he did, the Abraham Accords, the destruction of ISIS, the tax cuts, the deregulation, the energy independence, the shutting down the southern border, so you could come to this great country legally, not illegally.
So much was so good!
He just has to tone down some of those edges that sometimes make him go too far to avenge things that he says were wrong.
I'm curious.
It's very interesting.
He didn't mention the tweets.
What a great piece of advice, and I'm sure President Trump will take it.
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