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May 24, 2022 - Sebastian Gorka

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	�� This is about as clear evidence you could find of intent by the campaign to collude with the Russians, to get useful information from the Russians.
	I think there's plenty of evidence of collusion or conspiracy in plain sight.
	I did say that there is ample evidence, and indeed there is, of collusion of people in the Trump campaign with the Russians.
	He is going to be delivering what I think are going to be his indictments, the final indictments.
	I would not be surprised if there were a number of indictments that still were going to come down the pike.
	There are indictments in this president's future.
	And I think they're shocked that the noose is tightening.
	He feels the noose is tightening.
	The noose is tightening.
	The sound of hoofbeats of all those investigations catching up with Donald Trump must be loud in his ears.
	He may be the first president in quite some time to face the real prospect of jail time.
	People might go to jail.
	You're exactly right.
	For the rest of their lives.
	I think they're all going to jail.
	Well, I think they're all going to end up together in prison, and maybe that's a good thing.
	Oh my God!
	He has no idea that he's going down.
	You're confident that at least some Trump associates will wind up in jail?
	If I was betting, I would say yes.
	That's what you were told for four years incessantly.
	And in fact, a large chunk of the American population still believes that that is the case.
	That the Russian Federation, the Kremlin, Vladimir Putin somehow colluded with the duly elected President of the United States, so that Russia somehow helped that man win the election.
	Let's listen to some more recent cuts.
	Just two.
	One from a liberal left-wing attorney, a learned individual, and one from my former Fox colleague, another lawyer, Greg Jarrett.
	This is first Jonathan Turley talking about the recent revelations regarding the Russia hoax, the Sussman trial, and John Durham's special counsel investigation.
	Cut ten.
	And what's really, really quite breathtaking in this case is that Hillary Clinton green-lighted the release of this claim, even though the campaign was told that there are serious problems with what they were alleging.
	But she green-lighted it and then told the public something that was pretty much untrue, right?
	She went on to Twitter and said, hey, Slate just ran a story that there's this connection through Alphabank.
	She and Jake Sullivan, now the National Security Advisor, basically pretended to the public that this was all news to them and that they were breathless at this new disclosure when the campaign created this scandal.
	That is the recent revelation just last week in a court, sworn testimony from Robbie Mook, one of Hillary Clinton's top campaign managers, stating that she authorized, she knew about, she authorized the Smear Dossier and its dissemination to the press.
	An act that afterwards she tweeted out as if she had nothing to do with it and said, oh my, look at this accusation in the press.
	Jake Sullivan, her foreign policy advisor, did the same.
	The same Jake Sullivan who happens to be today Biden's national security advisor.
	But that's just half of the scandal, really.
	That a political party, that its presidential nominee, lied to the FBI and tried to have her opponent smeared in the mainstream media.
	The other half is what the establishment did with that smear and with that story.
	Here is Chief Legal Analyst for Fox News, another truth teller, Greg Jarrett.
	Cut nine.
	And it should be especially disgraceful to Mueller and his 19 prosecutors that they either didn't know that Hillary Clinton invented all of it, or they knew it and covered it up.
	There's only two options.
	If you understand rhetoric, logic, and factual reasoning.
	The 40 people working, the agents, the lawyers, the investigators, working for that former FBI director who wanted to be the FBI director again under the President Trump's administration, either they didn't know what has now been sworn to in a court of law,
	that the Russia collusion accusation was an artificial made-up smear funded by the Clinton campaign and funneled through a former MI6 intelligence officer.
	Either they didn't know, which means they're incompetent, or they did know and they covered it up.
	Dear friends, I'm Sebastian Gorka, this is America First, and just the last Seven minutes is all the evidence you know, or you need to know, that this constitutes the largest scandal, as we here at Salem call it, the biggest heist in American history.
	64 million Americans Chosen outsider.
	An individual who'd never run for political office before.
	Why?
	Because they'd had enough with the swamp.
	They'd had enough with the professional political class on either side of the aisle that had betrayed them.
	Betrayed the working class.
	The heart of America.
	Whether it was with deals concerning China, outsourcing millions of jobs to that communist regime,
	Or whether it's the backroom deals, whether it's the pork-filled bills that were written by special interest groups, by lobbyists, to create not really a free marketer system, but really a system in which the richest and the biggest corporations try to create conditions that benefit them to the detriment of real free market practitioners.
	Because that man didn't belong to the swamp.
	Because nobody owned him.
	No special interest group could tell him what to do.
	Because he was, in fact, a self-made man.
	An outsider.
	A contractor.
	A builder.
	And, with his reality TV show, an incredibly successful Popular culture figure.
	17 seasons of The Apprentice being the most successful show of its kind.
	He walks into the White House and there's no lobbying group, there's no union, there's no dark money interest that can control him, that can call him up and say, oh, we need you to do this for us, Donald.
	Oh, and remember that money we gave you two years ago, five years ago, when you were starting your political career?
	Well, now it's payback.
	We need this line.
	We need this paragraph to be inserted into the next bill that Mitch McConnell brings before the Senate.
	Will you do that and then sign it into law for us?
	Nobody can tell President Trump to do that.
	And that's why he had to be destroyed.
	When he was so successful, that he created the most powerful economy America had ever seen and the world had ever seen, he had to be stopped.
	And that's why the Russia hoax.
	While Hillary was colluding with Russia, using a Russian smear dossier from a Russian working at the Brookings Institution in DC, whilst her husband was getting $500,000 for a 40-minute speech in Moscow from the same company that was buying 20% of America's uranium, which is illegal.
	Yeah, a man was running the country who wasn't controlled by the establishment on left and right.
	And that's why we need him or somebody very much like him, and I don't see anybody out there who can fill a stadium like he does in 24 hours, back in the White House.
	So 2024, it's up to us.
	He's going to run.
	Are we going to make sure he wins?
	Ask yourself, what are you doing about it?
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First.
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	The End
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	All right.
	All right.
	So, um... We've got to talk Taiwan, but go ahead.
	Yeah, great.
	I talked about it on Newsmax today.
	I'm going to be joining America First Policy.
	Oh, good for you!
	Yeah, the president wants more... Yeah.
	Alright, I got the mics muted.
	Just let me know when you want me to put them back on.
	The mics are muted, let me know when you want me to put them on with him.
	The mic's on.
	because of what he was talking about.
	Yeah.
	Am I good to put the mics on now?
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Can we get a check from... Oh, would you just say a few sentences?
	Yep.
	Five, four, three, two, one.
	Great.
	Perfect.
	So the new name for Fort Bragg came out.
	Are you kidding?
	Well, it's got to get through the Congress.
	Is it Fort Buttercup?
	Fort Liberty.
	I would hope that... So what does that have to go through, like armed services?
	Yeah.
	Because it's commissioned and their recommendations have to be approved by Congress as far as I know.
	And I would hope on his way out, Senator Inhofe kills that.
	America First Can you believe it?
	They are saying that they don't agree with America first.
	How do you say that?
	Magnificent.
	You just don't say it.
	Not on this show.
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	Okay, perfect timing to discuss national security issues with none other than former Secretary of Veterans Affairs in the Trump administration, a man who served in our military more than one service at the highest levels of the Pentagon as well, and now he is Newsmax's senior national security contributor.
	Secretary Wilkie, welcome.
	Doctor, it's always good to be here.
	So much to discuss and how we're going to cram it into two segments.
	We'll get you back for a longer chat.
	But first things first, twice in a row, how many times do we have the current Commander-in-Chief say something and then have to be corrected within minutes or hours This time it's in Japan, it's this commitment treating Taiwan, God bless Taiwan, don't misunderstand me, but treating Taiwan as if it is a treaty ally of NATO, for example, saying the US military will defend that nation, White House having to walk it back.
	Let's start with how damaging is this kind of Constant flip-flopping on very serious issues at a time of international crisis.
	Well, it shows that this president is not in charge.
	He said the right thing.
	And let's take a step back, Doctor.
	Xi has blown through the strategic ambiguity agreement that the United States and China developed back in 1979.
	He's been threatening Taiwan.
	He says they will come back into the fold.
	Air incursions, all kinds of things.
	So he blew through that.
	And it's about time we said, all right, there's no longer any strategic ambiguity.
	This is the linchpin.
	This is nothing new in that it is the latest in the line of military decisions that date back to Thomas Jefferson.
	That the United States will protect the global commons, as Jefferson said.
	This is the linchpin to the busiest global commons on the planet.
	To lose Taiwan... Will you explain the concept of the global commons and how it compares to the sea lanes of your... Sure.
	The global commons in Jefferson's day meant dispatching the entire United States Navy to the Barbary Coast to take out Muslim terrorists.
	Right, who had taken our citizens hostage, some as slaves for years.
	And were forcing American merchants to pay a fee to get into the Mediterranean.
	Jefferson put an end to that, really the birth of the Marine Corps as a global force.
	Yeah, the first, you know, special operation by Marines was, that's why the Marine Corps Anthem says, off the shores of Tripoli.
	That's right, the shores of Tripoli.
	So the global commons in his day meant the sea lanes.
	It morphed into the air lanes, space and now cyber.
	Taiwan produces the world's semiconductors.
	To lose Taiwan is a direct blow to the national security of the United States, just with that one product.
	But the other thing it does, it would give China that unsinkable aircraft carrier to take out Japan, take out South Korea, the Philippines, and even threaten as far south as Australia.
	If the president were going to do this right, he should have done it with the prime minister of India, of India, the prime minister of Australia, standing with him, as well as the president of South Korea.
	This is another example of this haphazard, nobody's in control national security team at the White House.
	But it also had a surreal quality.
	We played the cuts yesterday on the show where it seemed as if he blurts it out, U.S.
	military will defend Taiwan.
	Then he, I guess he saw the expressions on the faces in the room in that press conference in Japan.
	And then he says, but we reiterate our commitment to the one China policy.
	Well, I mean, there's strategic ambiguity and there's just barefaced ambiguity.
	And barefaced incompetence.
	Yeah.
	Because no one is in charge.
	I can't remember who it was that said that the most powerful person In Washington, D.C.
	is the person who controls the teleprompter for President Biden.
	That was Elon Musk last week.
	Musk said it.
	Can't get a better source than that.
	But let's look at this.
	Let's look at what Biden said.
	Let's take him at his word.
	He has given us the weakest, smallest United States Navy since actually 1938, 1937, 38.
	Because back in the 80s, Reagan wanted how many ships?
	600.
	600.
	We will go under Biden from 298 ships to 280 ships.
	- In the 1980s, Reagan wanted how many ships? - 600. - 600. - We will go under Biden from 298 ships to 280 ships.
	The Chinese can put just in the waters around Taiwan, 250 ships just launched.
	We're wearing our hauls out.
	We're wearing our people out.
	In order to do this, we have to return to the Reagan-esque view of the world that the key to American security is the Navy and the Air Force.
	God bless the Army and the Marine Corps.
	This would be a Navy and Air Force fight.
	The other thing that we need to do is do what we've haphazardly done with the Ukrainians, and that is turn Taiwan into a hedgehog.
	And just fill it with weapons.
	Fill it with mines.
	Fill it with anti-ship missiles.
	This administration refused to give to the Ukrainians.
	The mini-subs they've been requesting for a long time.
	Absolutely.
	This can be done.
	Britain has not been invaded successfully, or England has not, since 1066.
	Correct.
	There's a reason.
	It's hard to cross water and land troops.
	How does the Ukrainian war Factor into China's reassessment of military action.
	Two weeks ago I would have told you that Xi would be taking a step back.
	Simply trying to assess the force of the Western reaction.
	Not so much Boris Johnson.
	That's expected.
	But Finland and Sweden.
	Right.
	Eastern and Central Europe.
	Even Germany.
	Even Germany.
	But now you start to see the cracks.
	They're coming home to Rus.
	Macron is on the phone with Putin every day offering a way out.
	The Chancellor of Germany is now starting to speak that way.
	So Xi is taking all of this into his calculus.
	The other thing that he's doing is that he's looking at countries like Australia.
	Entering into separate defense agreements with the Japanese.
	The Japanese and the South Koreans under the new South Korean leadership coming closer together.
	That's a seismic event in that part of the world.
	Two countries with thousand-year hatreds of each other.
	I want to drill down on the recent Moscow pronouncements.
	Regarding Finland and Sweden, we're talking to former Secretary of Veterans Affairs from the Trump administration, Robert Wilkie.
	You've got to watch him regularly at Newsmax.
	Download the app.
	Watch my show, The Gawker Reality Check, every Sunday.
	You're listening to America First.
	This is the Salem News Channel.
	Well, finally, we'll have some good snipers. we'll have some good snipers.
	Yeah.
	And snipers who know how to kill Russians.
	And want to.
	Yeah.
	The White Angel.
	Remember the Angel of Death?
	Yes.
	I'll give the statistic when we talk.
	They killed 380,000 Red Army troops.
	Incredible.
	Mannerheim was the genius behind that.
	They can put into the field in 24 hours a force four times the size of the British Army.
	Oh my gosh.
	They can put into the field 280,000 troops.
	It crashes me what's happened to the British Army.
	It's sad.
	It's even worse for the Royal Navy.
	Smallest since the reign of Charles II.
	Sharing a carrier with France.
	Yeah.
	And getting rid of the fleet air arm at the same time they're building the carrier.
	I want to come in with... What was I looking for?
	Putin threatening Finland.
	I have an audio cut.
	Where is it?
	Oh, can you come in with Sarah Saunders, cut 7?
	Come in with 7, so no liner.
	No liner.
	Hey Jeff, we should get her on.
	Do you have a contact or should I text her?
	I have a contact now.
	I have primaries tonight.
	She should win today, handily.
	Why is Kissinger saying that Ukraine needs to give up territory?
	Because he's a senile old git, that's why.
	I keep forgetting he's still around.
	Oh, I got a title in mind for that monologue?
	Yes.
	Two minutes.
	The biggest heist in American history.
	How regularly are they having you on?
	Three times today.
	On Newsmax?
	Yeah.
	I leave here, go back home.
	I've got Spicer.
	I did America Reports and forget the other one with Bachman.
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah.
	Good.
	Midday, right?
	Bachman.
	Yeah.
	And then Bob Sellers at 2.
	And then it comes to you.
	You saw the big news.
	Yeah.
	Good.
	I always liked her.
	She's an interesting... She is.
	Unusual.
	Very.
	I guess she'll have six o'clock show?
	Because they say they're opening the evening with her.
	It didn't give a time, no, the press release didn't give a time.
	Spicer's on at 6.
	Who's at 5, then?
	That's Greg Kelly, right?
	No, no, Greg Kelly's 7.
	Bowling's 5.
	Is he 5 now?
	Bowling's either 4 or 5.
	No, he's 4.
	That's Salcido's 5.
	Salcido's 5, that's right.
	Because we always did those simulcasts.
	Well, she was a big deal at Fox.
	And I don't know, I wasn't around.
	I killed Mike's.
	She had great ratings.
	Thank you.
	What is going on in our country at the hands of this administration is absolutely pathetic.
	And frankly, it's insane that we cannot provide for babies in this country and are having to beg Europe to bail us out.
	And they're celebrating that instead of being embarrassed by it.
	That's one of the things I find so astonishing is that they somehow think that that is a good thing and a win for our country when they should be embarrassed about it and they're not.
	My former colleague in the White House, we just called her SHS.
	She has a primary today in Arkansas, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, making a very powerful point.
	The only nation to put men on the moon, to have defeated the fascists of the Third Reich and the Soviet Union.
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	Secretary Wilkie, Sarah Huckabee Sanders' comment, how do you equate being the world's only hyperpower, not even a superpower, and we can't even feed our infants?
	Well, we can't even feed our infants and we're going...
	We have not been this low in anyone's collective memory.
	and to the Iranians to ask for fuel. - Yeah. - We have not been this low in anyone's collective memory.
	And one of the reasons we have so many problems in the world is that we have a president no one believes, no one fears.
	Or just takes seriously.
	That's right, or respects.
	And I always go back, before I even talk about fuel and formula, Afghanistan.
	That is the indictment of indictments against this leadership and this leadership team.
	And they don't care.
	If you read Thucydides, you understand that nations act out of three reasons, fear, honor, and national interest.
	It seems as if Finland and Sweden have taken those factors very seriously.
	We're about the same age.
	For me, as a child of the Cold War, it was carved into stone.
	These are nations that are forever going to be Independent and neutral.
	The fact that they're putting in articles of accession to Brussels.
	How significant is that and the recent pronouncements from Moscow?
	It's seismic.
	Let's just talk about Finland.
	Finland has been officially neutral since 1945.
	They have a thousand year history with the various iterations of Russian civilization.
	In 1939-40 Stalin invaded Finland lost 380,000 troops.
	To a tiny country?
	To a small country.
	Every male serves.
	In 24 hours, the Finnish government can put 280,000 troops in the field.
	That's stunning.
	They have a reserve force of 900,000.
	So let's put that in perspective.
	280,000 troops in the field.
	That's four times the size of the Army of the United Kingdom.
	They are all trained.
	They are trained from the time they are 16.
	And you and I have talked about a poll that Reuters conducted about two years ago, where they concluded that 74-78% of Finns are ready to kill Russians.
	Because they've done it before when they have to.
	They've done it before.
	They see the threat.
	They have the historical Knowledge of what this threat means.
	And the same with the Swedes.
	Sweden has been officially neutral since 1845.
	After Napoleon's former Marshal Bernadotte passed away.
	And they have one of the most sophisticated military industrial systems.
	A very special coastal defense system.
	Absolutely.
	Very powerful artillery small arms industry.
	Silent submarines.
	Outstanding air force.
	They have been focusing their attention on that thumb that sticks out in the Baltic, Kaliningrad, to surround it.
	And now, with Finland and Sweden, Putin is now looking at a Baltic that is a NATO lake.
	Yeah.
	And it is seismic.
	And what the mainstream media won't report, it puts the Arctic in play.
	Exactly.
	It puts the Arctic in play.
	That's one of the new frontiers in this fight.
	Sorry, we have so much more to discuss.
	Jeff, I know, is listening right now.
	We need Secretary Wilkie In studio for one of our third hour one-on-ones where we can drill down on all of these issues for a whole hour.
	But in the meantime, watch him on Newsmax already.
	Three commitments to Newsmax today.
	That's how much he is in demand.
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	Thank you. Thank you.
	Yeah, I'm calling right now.
	Yep, I heard it.
	Thank you.
	Eric, slide over.
	I've got to see this clock.
	Thanks.
	There's a clear matching time.
	So, yeah.
	How's everything going?
	Thank you.
	How's that working out?
	How's that working out?
	Yes.
	Not bad.
	No?
	You've got more people like you.
	Oh, can you say a few sentences?
	Yes.
	So today, the FBI announced they broke up an ISIS plot to assassinate George W. Bush.
	All right, I got your article.
	I got your article.
	You listen to your guests.
	You let them speak.
	You don't interrupt them.
	You talk just about the right amount.
	I get informed at the same time I'm entertained.
	And I really appreciate your show very much.
	America First.
	Magnificent.
	I talk just about the right amount.
	Thank you.
	I try.
	And, you know, I invite people I want to listen to.
	There was one exception that Cenk Uygur guy we just did that for a laugh and he was so petrified he gave one word answers that pathetic individual who's obsessed with Sex and bestiality for some strange reason.
	The left is so strange.
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	We are going from one great guest to another.
	She's in the swamp.
	I hope she gets out of here quick, because we need her somewhere safe, continuing to fight the good fight against the swamp creatures.
	She is a reporter extraordinaire of matters to do with the politicization of law enforcement.
	I said that right.
	That's a hard word.
	The politicization of federal law enforcement across the country, telling the truth about January 6th, political prisoners, American greatness, senior contributor, Julie Kelly.
	Julie, welcome in studio.
	Thank you for having me.
	I hope I get out okay.
	I hope I'm not detained.
	We'll look after you.
	We'll take care of you.
	So what brings you to the swamp?
	Tell us.
	Actually, Seb, I'm going to be covering one of the January 6th trials of a man named Tim Hale-Cusinelli, who was set up by NCIS.
	I had an informant record a conversation with him after he participated in the event on January 6th.
	He has been held under pretrial detention orders in the D.C.
	Gulag since January of 2021.
	He is not charged with any violent crimes.
	So he now finally is going on trial before a D.C.
	jury.
	I'm sure highly unsympathetic.
	They're saying they voted 94% for Biden and Hillary.
	Exactly right, yeah.
	Okay, so I have to ask you this stupid question, but I know the millions of listeners are, you know, hair on fire right now.
	How does somebody sit in jail for more than a year on misdemeanor charges?
	How are they kept there when a 16-year-old who shoots a cop in New York is released with no charges?
	So what Biden's DOJ has been doing is adding this obstruction of an official proceeding felony to mostly misdemeanor cases.
	That is a felony.
	So this is used as justification by D.C.
	District Court judges, in this case Judge Trevor McFadden, a Trump appointee, who has held Tim Hale behind bars since January of 2021 based on this felony.
	Again, Which, let me be clear, and I just want to make sure the listeners understand, that original charge in federal law was created to stop people, for example, destroying evidence, like after the Pentagon Papers.
	They didn't want people taking sensitive material and destroying them, and now it's being used for people who are in a riot or a disturbance outside of Congress.
	Exactly right, Seth.
	So this is a law that was passed in 2002, post-Enron, and it was designed, exactly what you just said, to stop people from tampering with evidence, interfering in criminal investigations.
	This Biden regime, this is an Andrew Weissman favorite.
	If you recall, this was the same charge that they wanted to use against Trump after the Mueller report came out, obstruction of an official proceeding.
	So now the DOJ is getting their way.
	About 240, 250 Americans faced this felony charge, including people like Tim Hale and others who walked into the building peacefully, no weapon, didn't attack anyone, didn't vandalize any property.
	In fact, there was no proceeding going on when most of them entered the building.
	But nonetheless, dozens, upwards of 100, have been held under pretrial detention orders since early last year.
	And let's talk about the other story that you've written.
	We'll post it right now to American Greatness.
	Another January 6th lie.
	No recon, no reconnaissance tours on January the 5th.
	So this is the story whereby conservative members were accused of Being fifth columnist infiltrators helping quote-unquote insurrectionists case of the building prior to January 6.
	Will you tell us about this story and how it's collapsing?
	So this is another lie, as I write about in my book, several lies that surround January 6th.
	I always say stuff, January 6th was so bad, why did the Democrats and the media keep lying about it?
	So this was a rumor that was launched a week after the protest by Representative Mickey Sherrill of New Jersey.
	She claimed that she saw large groups of tours on January 5th, large groups of people who were being led around by her Republican colleagues in the House, giving them what she later called reconnaissance tours, I guess, you know, so they could map out the insurrection the next day.
	16 months later, no video proof that that ever happened.
	Not one of the more than 800 Americans who've been charged with January 6th offenses The DOJ has not accused any of them of going on any kind of tour with a Republican the day before.
	So there's no evidence of this.
	But they came out, January 6th committee last week, and accused Representative Barry Loudermilk of giving a tour.
	Was not a tour.
	He met not in the Capitol, in his office building with a constituent family that included young children.
	That family didn't even go to the Capitol on January 6th.
	So these lies, and I know it seems petty by comparison to somebody who's been, you know, in a gulag, in a political prison for more than a year on a misdemeanor, but this is one of the most tragic aspects of this story, that when I came here, so I've lived in the UK, born in the UK, I've lived in a post-communist nation in Hungary, and nobody gets to walk into the Houses of Parliament, Willy Nilly and the beautiful Gothic Houses of Parliament in Budapest.
	You have to have a signed invitation from a Member of Parliament or their staffer, prove your ID at the front, have to go through a magnetometer.
	When I arrived in America and had my first meeting on Capitol Hill, I was like, so how do I get in?
	You walk in.
	That's gone, Julie.
	And as a person who's chosen this nation, the idea that we had the National Guard, razor wire, 12-foot fences, and still now they have magnetometers for members of the House, This is when you realize it's not business as usual.
	It's not politics as usual.
	It's far, far darker.
	Let's put her book up on the screen, Eric.
	She is the author, senior contributor to one of our favorite websites, American Greatness.
	That's Am Greatness, Julie Kelly.
	The book is January 6, How Democrats Use the Capitol Protest to Launch a War on Terror Against the Political Right.
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	Let's give them an update on the two.
	Okay, great.
	Thanks for having me on.
	I have a book for you, by the way.
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	Jeff was like, can you come out yesterday?
	I go, I'll be here tomorrow.
	Is there any procedure for getting in on the court and how do you do that?
	I don't think so.
	They're just going through, you know, super tight security.
	So, and of course with the Sussman trial, it's pretty jammed.
	But most of the media is covering that.
	Right.
	So, I'm going to sit in on the courtroom.
	I won't go to the media room.
	I'll just, I'm going to watch it there.
	Good.
	Yeah.
	It's crazy.
	We could talk about the juries though, Tripp.
	The what?
	We could talk about the D.C.
	juries.
	Let's do that.
	How they have this, you know, the Sussman trial is going.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Alright.
	Yeah, because the Whitmer thing might be too complicated.
	Right.
	It's a short amount of time.
	Don't want to come in with anything?
	No, I don't have enough time, so let's go straight to her.
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	We've got to get Dinesh on the show again to discuss it in depth.
	But right now, it's Julie Kelly, the author of January 6, covering the trials occurring here in D.C.
	Let's talk a little bit about Getting a fair trial in D.C.
	in the jury pool.
	So what's happening right now, Seb, that's interesting is, of course, Michael Sussman is on trial.
	So you have all these things happening in the D.C.
	federal courthouse.
	Michael Sussman, the lawyer who was accused of lying to the FBI, we're getting all kinds of bombshells dropping every day about that.
	But what really, I think, alarmed people was the jury selection process when you had self-avowed Democrats, donors, who were placed on the jury.
	Now, as someone who's been watching this very carefully, this court for the past 15 months related to January 5th, of course, it was not a shock.
	What's happened in January 6th, you've had four jury trials.
	The jury has come back in record time with all guilty verdicts on every single count for these Capitol protesters.
	One jury, one juror in one of the cases joked that it took more time to order lunch than it did to find this particular defendant guilty.
	Now, these are complicated charges.
	The obstruction charge that we just talked about has never been used that way in 20 years.
	All of a sudden, D.C. juries are coming back in record time and finding these people unanimously guilty.
	Well, they wore a red macket hat.
	They've got to be guilty.
	They've got to be insurrections, right, Julie?
	Yes, and quite a few of the defense teams have conducted surveys of potential juries, the jury pool in D.C.
	And as you can imagine, it is highly partisan.
	These people take what happened on January 6th very personal.
	So many of them have connections to the federal government.
	And so it's nearly impossible.
	We'll see what happens in this particular trial this week.
	I don't have a lot of hope either.
	What is the fund they can support the prisoners with?
	Thank you.
	So the name of it is PatriotFreedomProject.com.
	PatriotFreedomProject.com.
	Please support these political prisoners.
	You've got to follow this lady.
	She is a hair's breadth away from a quarter of a million follows on Twitter.
	Let's get her there by the end of the show today.
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	As you probably heard, I had COVID three weeks ago.
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	Then I was positive for another week.
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	Fortunately, I had two boosters.
	It starts with people just having to defend their own shops, or their own homes, because police won't get there.
	And then you get into the vigilante situation.
	We are one step away from vigilante justice in America, and I don't think the media sees it coming at all.
	Because the minute it does happen, they're going to blame the person that's doing something about it.
	Thank you.
	No, I'm going to use it again with Conrad.
	Okay.
	Oh, and cut two.
	I'm going to tee them both up.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	It probably has expired, but I'll send you another one.
	Thank you.
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	Dave, Phil, Tom, you know who you are.
	I'd love to have him in studio for a longer chat.
	He's one of your favorites.
	He's an author extraordinaire, former media mogul, justice reform advocate, co-host of the Scholars and Sense podcast with another of your favorites, Victor Davis Hanson and Bill Bennett, Lord Conrad Black.
	It's that time.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Thanks very much, Sebastian.
	And by the way, what was the name of the Oh, Julie Kelly.
	of the book you just mentioned?
	Julie Kelly.
	Sorry.
	I don't think I even mentioned her name.
	Julie Kelly is a great star.
	I mean, I've never met her, but I always, I've read a lot of her things and I've agreed with and admired every word of it.
	Well, she flew in from Chicago to actually cover the latest court case.
	She is going to the court right now here in the Swamp, and she stopped by to be with us.
	So thank you so much, Conrad, for actually reminding me to mention her name, Julie Kelly.
	You can read her superb writings at American Greatness.
	Conrad, I've had a lot of fun with you lately.
	I'm getting you to react to some, you know, bon mots, some clips of breaking news or events occurring in America.
	I've selected two today and they have the following theme.
	One is competence and the other one is honesty and they both have to do with this administration.
	Let's start with, well, let's start with honesty.
	So I saw this today, came up on my Twitter feed and it was a I am Alejandro Mayorkas, U.S.
	the Department of Homeland Security's official account, a two-minute video.
	We've just taken a snippet of it.
	It's the first 40 seconds from the current Secretary of Homeland Security who, well, he shocked me with what he had to say, and I'd like to have your reaction, given what we have witnessed in the last 16 months.
	This is Alejandro Mayorkas, cut two.
	I am Alejandro Mayorkas, U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security.
	The United States continues to enforce its immigration laws.
	Individuals and families should not put their lives at risk by taking the dangerous journey only to be sent back.
	The restrictions at our southwest border have not changed.
	Single adults and families encountered will continue to be expelled where appropriate under Title 42.
	And those who are unable to establish a legal basis to remain will be removed.
	So, let's just take that.
	I've written down what was said there.
	We are enforcing the immigration laws.
	We are sending everybody back.
	There is no change.
	People are expelled and we are using Title 42.
	I'd like to have you react, but I think such a bare-faced level of mendacity is hard to remember from any recent administration.
	Yeah, I have two comments on it.
	First of all, Of course, it's nonsense.
	I mean, in theory, the law is what it is.
	And in theory, if the law enforced itself or there were adequate enforcement procedures and personnel to make the law relevant to the facts, as there were in the previous administration, that that would be a truthful, purposeful, accurate that that would be a truthful, purposeful, accurate statement and an unexceptionable, clear statement of fact by the by the cabinet secretary most directly involved.
	Nothing wrong with that.
	Of course, they don't have remotely the personnel they need.
	They have done everything possible to open up the border that was substantially closed when they came into office a year and a half ago.
	And therefore, the statement that the secretary made is complete bunk.
	I.
	I object in principle to using the word a lie, because it just envenoms the atmosphere.
	But it is not accurate, not truthful, and it is bunk.
	And the second comment I'd make is actually more favorable.
	It tells me that the Secretary himself is sending a hint that he actually Have some concerns about the declared policy of the administration and the president who deserves and is pleased to say that the section 42 The statute regarding application of COVID rules to border crossing.
	It sounds like he's happy to repeat that that's still in place despite the administration's effort to dispense with it.
	Yes.
	So I think Mayorkas, who has shocked me by his incompetence and, as you said, his mendacity, and particularly early on when he kept repeating like a nodding doll The border is closed when on the split screen on various networks, not just Fox, you saw people pouring in hundreds and thousands, if you watch long enough, across the border, wading across or walking across wherever they were.
	And this was the Secretary of Homeland Security's definition of the border being closed.
	I mean, it closed as much as it is closed for me to walk down the street outside my high school convenience store.
	And it sounds to me like even he is a little frightened at the proportions of the disaster that is occurring there.
	And the administration's concerns on that score must not be judged from the conduct of the remotest thing to do with letting anybody in the world who wants to enter the U.S.
	do so.
	It may have something to do with the fact that the polls indicate that Those groups of voters whom they're most aiming at to impress with this insane and suicidal policy, the Hispanic Americans, are now three to one opposed to the administration.
	So even as low contemptible partisan politics at the expense of the national interest, it is reassuringly and happily a failure.
	Let's try momentarily to just take politics out of it and just focus on one line in that 41 second clip where he said, do not, messaging to the people of the hemisphere, do not come here, do not risk your lives.
	Just the moral culpability of What we have witnessed, the lives lost two weeks ago, a National Guardsman, the mere fact that we have to have National Guardsmen assisting the federal authorities, and he died trying to save an illegal alien.
	Just the idea that people are risking their lives to the extent of more than two million illegal immigrants in 16 months, but then to say, don't risk your lives, that takes a certain A certain skill to so pervert the sense of truth in one statement, does it not?
	I'm afraid it does, and I'm afraid I've had that impression of this Secretary, Mr. Mayorkas, all along.
	He has one of these expressionless faces where he manages to utter total falsehoods, having no relevance at all to the facts, facts of which he, because of the responsibilities that he showed, is more aware of than anyone because of the responsibilities that he showed, is more aware of
	And yet he manages to utter, and I suppose it's a remarkable quality, but he manages to offer it in an expressionless way, giving no indication of the fact that he knows that it is completely false.
	But this is one of the scary aspects of this whole subject.
	I mean, it's not only insane policy, it not only leads, obviously, to the importation illegally of vast quantities of extremely dangerous drugs, and the arrival of, no doubt, a great majority of them very good people, but without any documentation, and not well qualified to arrive in the U.S., most of them Uh, not speaking the official language, and many of them not even literate.
	But unfortunately, among them, there's no question, there are also a great many utterly undesirable people, dangerous gang members, and habitual criminals.
	And it is all through a process that enriches the probably the most dangerous and horrifyingly sociopathic group of Professional violators of criminal laws in the world.
	That gang or group of gangs in northern Mexico that handles the drug trade and what amounts to the slave trade and is set on top of this whole process and profits immensely, billions of dollars constantly, is in fact being supported by the negligence and the malice And the stupefying incompetence of the U.S.
	government as a matter of policy.
	As one of our guests put it, this administration has become one of the biggest traffickers in humans by dint of their policy that we have ever seen.
	He's the author of Donald J. Trump, A President Like No Other.
	You can follow him on Twitter, Conrad M. Black.
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	Back with Lord Black in a moment.
	Did the DVD arrive, Conrad?
	It's just arrived.
	I'm looking forward to watching it.
	Good.
	Excellent.
	I can't wait for your reaction.
	And thank you for your nicely inscribed book, also.
	Good.
	I'm not sure if I'd sent you that one before, so I just wanted to make sure.
	You're not, so I'm glad to have it.
	Good.
	Thank you.
	This is the audio?
	Okay.
	them either C or E.
	Sebastian?
	One moment, Conrad.
	Sorry.
	C or C.
	You can do it anywhere.
	Be it balance of nature.
	All right.
	I'll do it in C.
	Okay, good.
	Sorry.
	Go ahead, Conrad.
	No, I was just going to ask you, if you're free, I was just going to ask you, I assume that the governor is going to be renominated in Georgia today, but I suppose we should brace ourselves for all the Trump papers claiming that this shows that Trump no longer has any but I suppose we should brace ourselves for all the Trump papers claiming that But I don't know.
	On the other hand, it looks to me like Oz is going to win, doesn't it?
	I mean, they're down to 5,000 votes to count and he's still leading by 1,000.
	Yeah, I think it's his.
	I do think it's Oz's.
	He wouldn't be in the race if it wasn't for the ex-president.
	No, no.
	And I have to give full credit to Kathy Barnett, who I've known for years, for doing as well as she did for being a complete neophyte.
	Yeah, but she was a spoiler.
	I mean, she was being used by the anti-Trump people, wasn't she?
	I wouldn't say she... I don't think in terms of her wanting to run, but eventually, yes, that's how it ended up.
	By the way, I agree with you.
	I don't know her at all.
	I only know what I saw of her a couple of times.
	Extensive interviews.
	I found her an impressive person.
	I hope she comes back in another position.
	So, before I joined the administration, a long time ago, so maybe 7-8 years ago when I was with Fox.
	They had this idea when ISIS was on the rise to create every week they'd have a national security moms segment where they invited actually bipartisan mothers from across the nation to New York and I would host a discussion with them in the morning on Fox and Friends and that's how I knew Kathy.
	They brought her in as a former veteran, the mother, to talk about her concerns and that's how she became, that's how her media star began to rise.
	I see.
	Look, you know, I was one of those who was really delighted.
	I happen to see live, often staff came on late at night, the president's response to that question about Taiwan.
	And I said to my wife, you know, he was actually pretty good and what he said was good.
	And he was so emphatic, I doubt if the White House and the Pentagon will walk this one back.
	But I was too optimistic when I turned on the news, you know, in the normal hour the following day.
	And they walked it back.
	They were all in a foot race, but going backwards.
	Eric, when I come in, when I introduce Conrad, will you just cycle through his books as I'm introducing him?
	Yep, you got it.
	All right.
	Standby, Conrad, 20 seconds.
	And then we'll tee up Sarah.
	Talk to you.
	really popular, even in the internet age.
	What you are about to hear them say is mind-boggling.
	Here's looking at you, Snowflake.
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	We are back with Lord Conrad Black, co-host of the Scholars and Sense podcast along with Victor Davis Hanson.
	And Bill Bennett, he's of course an author of a library of publications, including Donald J. Trump, a president like no other.
	Franklin Delano Roosevelt, champion of freedom.
	Conrad Black has also written on Richard Nixon, A Life in Full.
	Whatever book you see with his name on it, it is worth your read, especially A Life in Progress and his other autobiography.
	Lord Black, if I may, I'm going to continue the pattern I established earlier.
	I have to play you a cut.
	This is from my former colleague in the White House, former Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders, discussing the way America looks to the world under the current administration.
	Cut seven.
	What is going on in our country at the hands of this administration is absolutely pathetic and frankly it's insane that we cannot provide for babies in this country and are having to beg Europe to bail us out and they're celebrating that instead of being embarrassed by it.
	That's one of the things I find so astonishing is that they somehow think that that is a good thing and a win for our country when they should be embarrassed about it and they're not.
	After the open border, Afghanistan, the events in Ukraine, inflation, and now having to fly 70,000 pounds of formula from Europe to the United States, it seems to be that wherever one looks in terms of policies, there's no saving grace for the administration in the last 15 months, is there?
	I'm afraid not.
	I mean, I would wish it otherwise.
	I was one of those who Predicted that it would be a pretty, you know, a pretty difficult time and quite an objectionable administration in policy terms.
	But I never imagined for an instant that it would be as incompetent as this.
	I don't have a lot of bad ideas, but this process of virtually every time the president makes an important foreign policy statement, within a few hours, And other people are not, as far as I know, vested with the constitutional authority to do it, inform the world that what the president and commander in chief of the armed forces just said is not, in fact, what he meant.
	And that adds to the embarrassment and the confusion in the world.
	And, you know, we're getting perilously close to the position where the country, long regarded, whether by America's admirers or its detractors and its opponents, long regarded as the most important, most powerful country in the world, is like the, most powerful country in the world, is like the, you know, the senior most respected student in the school who suddenly lost his ability.
	Uh, lost.
	You know, he's suddenly become sort of incompetent and has become a butt of jokes and humor.
	And there's no figure in international affairs, as in more microscopic ones, more pathetic than the champion who's lost and becomes the subject of abuse and mockery
	And is taken advantage of, and that's what, I mean, it's got to be absolutely temporary, and we'll end at the next inauguration day, no matter who it is that's sworn, I think, but within reason.
	That's where the United States is now.
	I mean, I, you know, as you know, I'm a member, kind to mention, a member of the British Parliament, and I'm often in England, obviously.
	That is a country, almost all of whose inhabitants are fundamentally well-disposed to the United States.
	But, as you know, in the Afghanistan affair, the Parliament of the United Kingdom voted its contempt for the President of the United States.
	This is a first, a completely unheard of event.
	They didn't do that even during the War of 1812, when they were at war with the United States.
	And it's a shocking state of affairs.
	Senator Huckabee Sanders is absolutely right.
	Your latest piece, which we're posting right now at the Epoch Times, is Trump's base isn't shrinking.
	So, after January 6th, there was this expectation or this prediction that that's it, Donald Trump's star has fallen, he's out, he can never come back.
	Given the last 16 months, that base has to be larger than ever, does it not?
	Well, I think probably, but I put it slightly differently.
	As far as I can see, it has not shrunk at all.
	He got almost 75 million votes.
	I don't see any evidence that any of those people at this point, and particularly after the horrifyingly incompetent performance of the ostensible winner of the election and the administration he selected, have changed their minds.
	I don't see that at all.
	And obviously, A great many independent voters and some Democrats and some non-Trump Republicans, in the light of this shambles, this gong show that is going on in Washington, are holding their noses and saying, look, we aren't necessarily particularly pro-Trump, but he did run a tight ship.
	In policy terms, he certainly had majority support.
	The votes against him had to do with his personality and misrepresentations of him.
	And it must be said, some tactical, presentational errors, stylistic errors he made himself.
	But in these circumstances, it's no longer a sort of casual, what is our preference?
	It is now, I think, an attitude of collective concern That now grips the overwhelming majority of conscient Americans who say, these are difficult times.
	The country is in a difficult situation.
	I don't have confidence in the leadership.
	If Trump is the alternative and he appears to have more support than anybody else, let's bring him back, put him in, and God bless him.
	The country wants a serious president and a government that Yeah, and that actually gets things working once more, as he did when we were in the White House.
	The count is Conrad M. Black on Twitter.
	The podcast is Scholars in Sense.
	I think we have our subject decided for us in advance.
	Yes, I personally mailed a copy of 2,000 Mules to Lord Black, so I can't wait to hear your analysis.
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	2000 mules.
	Lord Black?
	Yes, sir.
	Are you on a different phone?
	Because it's much clearer this week.
	No, I'm not.
	I don't know.
	Look, I'm sorry if it's fuzzy on other occasions, but no, this is the same phone.
	Is it a cell phone or a landline?
	Yeah, this is a cell phone.
	You have my landline, and that's normally a good line, too, although it comes in through the internet, so it's not as reliable as, you know, the old Bell system was.
	Because last week was a little ropey, this week is very clear, so I guess it must just be atmospheric conditions.
	Could we maybe try the landline in the future, just in case?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Have you got the number?
	Do you want me to speak to him now?
	I think I'll just email you because we're going out over the video.
	I've got it from before.
	Oh, you've got it.
	Jeff has got it.
	Jeff has got it.
	Yeah.
	Good.
	Super.
	Good stuff.
	Thank you.
	Not a bit.
	Okay.
	Bye-bye.
	Bye-bye.
	All right.
	Title for that.
	Probably with the phones open.
	Uh, yeah, sure.
	And you got another Twitter verification code, that was me once again.
	Yeah, I sent it.
	Okay, thank you.
	What's a good title for that?
	Something about the supply chain issue, pending to Europe?
	Huckabee is 100% right.
	Future Governor Huckabee.
	Let me text her.
	Yeah.
	It's pretty interesting primaries tonight, after all, because you also got Alabama with the whole Mo Brooks thing.
	And, uh, Bush is on the ballot, too.
	Texas runoff.
	Yes.
	Well, not only that race, that's 3G, but also that one district, the only House district in Texas that has had to go to runoff, the, uh, where that Democrat, Henry Queller, the guy who's always criticizing Biden's immigration policy, he's being challenged by a crazy, amnesty-loving lefty.
	So, obviously, like, the base supports her, but the party leadership supports him.
	So, that'll be another fun Democrat-on-Democrat violence.
	Where's the call about the Bush story being fake because it's primary day with his nephew?
	I've already seen that.
	I've seen some people sharing that, yeah.
	To boost George Bush.
	George P. Bush.
	Alright, are we calling him or is he calling us?
	He's D.
	He's D. Oh!
	And he's Skype.
	I had him in C. Okay.
	Good.
	So I'll do balance of nature and my pillow here.
	Balance of nature.
	Do you have to send them a sound check, Geoff?
	Uh, no.
	No, I just got to tell them what it is.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Five seconds.
	Oh, yeah, you don't have to start recording yet, but get ready.
	All right, kill them, Mike.
	Thanks.
	The End
	such a brave man.
	But where is the Russian collusion evidence you promised us?
	I'm so disappointed.
	Peter Lor, God bless him.
	Or somebody who's very good at impersonating him.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka, this is America First.
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	Yes, I am, as always.
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	I mean, the way he delivers that, killing Mike's, you think that something's actually being exterminated, don't you?
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	Okay, I had him on this show last week, and he had done a new video.
	The file was so large we couldn't convert it when Armie Horowitz was on the show.
	So I want to show a little clip now.
	We'll go to your calls in a second.
	We've got two calls up on the line.
	But this is Armie Horowitz's latest.
	It has to do with the Supreme Court.
	He goes to New York and he just asks people not just about the Supreme Court decision, But about the Supreme Court.
	And you need to hear what they said.
	Cut 11.
	I'm Ami Horowitz and the U.S.
	Supreme Court is poised to overturn Roe v. Wade.
	But this video is not about abortion.
	It's about illuminating how the left feels about our founding institutions.
	Do we need insurrection against the Supreme Court in order to reverse this?
	Yes.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Don't hold back!
	There's nothing else, like, what else are we gonna do?
	Don't mention words!
	What are we gonna do?
	Like, they're not listening to us.
	We have to fight back.
	Rebellion?
	Particularly against the Supreme Court.
	Against the Supreme Court?
	Now, do we still have the Supreme Court?
	Yeah, show them we mean business.
	Is that the right way to go?
	Would I get it done?
	I don't know, I don't, I don't... What do you think?
	I've never been...
	I guess you could.
	You know, like, I wouldn't be mad about it if people did that.
	But I am, I am such a passive person on so many levels.
	That might, that might be what we have to do, yeah.
	I think, yeah, that's what sometimes it's needed to have government to listen.
	And this will actually go to the Supreme Court?
	Yeah.
	You agree?
	Listen, if we have a rebellion, then I will join the rebellion.
	I'm not gonna start it.
	Okay.
	But if it begins... We'll jump right in.
	Yeah.
	Okay, let's go.
	I'm like, I'm here for the cause.
	Let's roll.
	Let's do it.
	Obviously, yeah.
	So Armie, who I call a guerrilla journalist, he is a brave man.
	He interviewed 40 people, 40 people that day, in New York and not one of them disagreed with his premise that we need a revolution and we need an insurrection against the Supreme Court.
	How did we get here?
	We snoozed for far too long, and we watched and did nothing as they executed a long march through the institutions.
	Let's go to your calls.
	Dave, Arizona, line one.
	Welcome, Dave.
	Perfect lead-in, Dr. Gorka.
	This relates to your conversation with Lord Black and AMI's great work, too.
	I think there's been an insurrection.
	It was on 11-4.
	You know, what the establishment class is doing because they hate we, the people, is they put Puppet Biden up to look incompetent, but it's actually sabotage.
	They're trying to break down and delegitimize all of our institutions.
	I've published this on the Twitterverse since May of 2020.
	It's not unknown.
	Hang on, hang on.
	You think a guy with two brain aneurysms is acting?
	No, I think he's a puppet.
	He's saying what Obama is feeding him through Susan.
	No, no, no.
	Sorry, I don't buy it.
	I don't buy it.
	These are conspiracy theories.
	They're just leftists who hate America.
	There's no need for a secret, you know, earpiece.
	They're leftists who hate America.
	If everybody hates America on the left, This is what you get.
	But thank you.
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	Is he wearing an earring in his left ear?
	He's got an earring.
	Eric Adams!
	Oh, I wouldn't be surprised.
	Wow.
	Um, Jeff took his headset off, right?
	Uh, Jeff's... He can hear you, but he's answering calls right now.
	Um, so he said we were being too soft on Biden?
	Yeah, that's what he said.
	Wow.
	He said he thinks Biden's doing it on purpose.
	Right, because that guy doesn't even know which door he's walking in.
	Two minutes.
	Yes, we're working on getting him on Skype now.
	Yeah, he's Skype, so get that split screen ready.
	minute 45 up we appear to have him so Jeff make sure their mics are not going out of our video
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	Transcription by CastingWords
	Thank you.
	With our nation's most beloved legal immigrant, Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	Welcome back.
	Thank you, Mr. Connery.
	Most kind.
	How many guests have we had today?
	I can't even count.
	We're going to get to your calls momentarily.
	The lines are hotting up.
	Let's block them so we don't have any more calls before we finish the second hour.
	Got to get to Sandy, Al, Steve.
	Everybody who's already on the line.
	But first things first, we have to remind you, 2000 Mules is available at salemnow.com, the most successful political documentary of the modern age.
	Over a million downloads, over a hundred thousand DVDs already mailed out.
	It's so important.
	I've got a financial stake in it because it is the evidence of the election they stole.
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	All right, next guest, live here on America First, representing the 10th District of Pennsylvania, a good friend of the show, Congressman Scott Perry.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Great to see you, Sebastian.
	Love your opener.
	Thank you.
	Look, you have been speaking out.
	We could discuss so many things, but the time is limited.
	You've been very vocal recently, along with others like Chip Roy, that the Congress has kind of devolved into a rubber stamping mechanism for the majority.
	Not even your staff is allowed the requisite time to read the bills, and then you're expected to just have a voice vote on billions of dollars.
	Look, we're used to the swamp being the swamp and for behaving like this, but I have to ask you, is it qualitatively different?
	Are things getting worse for people like you and the Freedom Caucus?
	Well, believe it or not, and Sebastian, you've been on the inside of this operation, it actually is worse at this moment, so if you can imagine that.
	I mean, it's bad enough under normal conditions, but right now there is no debate And as you said, we find out about at this point because they're caught what we call suspension vote.
	What we do is we have a set of rules in Congress.
	We suspend the rules on a regular basis because allegedly everybody agrees with these bills.
	So every week when we come in, We find out there's 30, 40 bills on the schedule on Monday when you come in, Sebastian.
	And they start debating the bills immediately, but votes aren't until 6.30.
	So what happens is they just call for a voice vote.
	They call for a vote.
	There's probably three people in the chamber.
	And if nobody objects to the voice vote, then they say the ayes have it or the nays have it.
	And it's done.
	And all this policy and all these billions of dollars are then spent.
	All we've done is say, hey, can we have a few days to look at them?
	Otherwise, we're going to call for a recorded vote on every single one of them because we don't know what you've slipped in there.
	But hang on, this is worse than obnoxious.
	This is an insult to the American people.
	Sure it is.
	You can have three people in the chamber and there's no roll call and they just say no objections and it passes.
	This makes a mockery of the process.
	This creates a kangaroo congress that is befitting of a banana republic.
	What is the GOP doing about it?
	And why is it up to individuals like you or Chip to demand a roll call vote?
	Why isn't the GOP saying, you don't get to do this with the people's representatives or the people's money and it has to stop?
	Well, that's exactly right.
	And so since no one else is willing to do it and demand that we at least have an appropriate, a reasonable amount of time to read the bills.
	Folks like us are going to the floor and just demanding a recorded vote.
	Most people think we vote by name, by, you know, by putting our card in and being shown on every single vote.
	But when it's a voice vote, all of us are counted, however that voice vote went, whether we were present or not.
	And look, if it's something that absolutely everybody agrees to, some post office naming about a World War II veteran who's then a Korean veteran, It was in a Vietnam veteran and we love him and we want to we want to applaud his service.
	That's great.
	But as you know, Sebastian, what has always happened here is the leadership abuses that privilege and then start putting substantive policy and spending on the table.
	And since you don't know what's in it and you haven't had time to look at it, you have to call for the recorded votes.
	And of course, both sides are so angry with us.
	And we said, look, Just give us some time to read it and look, if it spends money, if it grows government, if it imperils freedom or destroys our culture, we're going to call for a recorded vote anyhow.
	But if it's something that all 435 agree with, You know, we're not going to make such a fuss of it, but don't act like all these bills are ones we all agree with.
	The Democrats are in charge, the left are in charge, and they're destroying the country, and we have something to say about this, and for sure we're going to.
	Alright, follow this man right now, Rep.
	Scott Perry.
	Last question, how do we stop it?
	How do we stop it?
	I'll tell you.
	The only thing that the Congress has is the power of the purse.
	And until, Sebastian, as you know, we're willing to restrict spending and take some of the hard votes to stop all the spending, there's nothing we can do.
	We have an administration that, as you know, refuses to faithfully execute the law.
	We can't make them.
	We're not the police.
	We're not the judges.
	But we can stop sending them one more dime.
	And that's what Congress needs to do.
	All right, I'm going to halt the interview here before I get even more angry and my blood pressure gets out of control.
	Follow this man, perry.house.gov.
	Rep Scott Perry, thank you.
	We've got to get you in studio for a longer chat.
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	Can you give me Al?
	.
	Thank you.
	Mics are on?
	Yeah, hi, who's this?
	Hello?
	Yes.
	This is Al.
	Hi, Al.
	What's your question?
	Oh, I got two questions.
	One about... I had an observation on Russian paratrooper training, and the other was on the Russian diet.
	I keep seeing these Russian diet packs, and I was wondering if you might know what are in them.
	There comes in a green box with a star on it, and they never say what's in there.
	They keep saying they're getting lousy rations, and I was wondering if you had any idea what the Russian ration packs are.
	I gladly have no idea, Al.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, the most important one is I saw some Russian paratroopers being trained a couple of years ago and their sergeant, they were laying on the floor of the barracks, now get this, their sergeant was jumping on their stomachs with paratrooper boots from stomach to stomach to stomach.
	I've seen that, yeah.
	Isn't that something?
	Yeah.
	I guess that isn't helping them too much against the Ukrainians.
	Great questions.
	Thank you, Al.
	God bless.
	Guys, can you come in with Cut3?
	Yes, come in with Cut3, no liner.
	Title for Perry?
	Congress.
	It's worse than you think.
	Okay, you ready here guy?
	Yep.
	Take it.
	Enjoy, Bob.
	Take it.
	We are desperately concerned about the circumstance relating to avian flu.
	We don't have enough vaccines.
	We don't have enough police officers.
	And we're going to debate the next three weeks, I'm told, gay marriage, a flag amendment, and God only knows what else.
	I can't believe the American people can't see through this.
	We already have a law.
	That's stunning.
	marriage act.
	We've all voted, not where I voted and others said, look, marriage is between a man and a woman and states must respect that.
	Nobody's violated that law.
	There's been no challenge to that law.
	Why do we need a constitutional amendment?
	Marriage is between a man and a woman.
	What's the game going on here?
	That's stunning.
	That's Joe Biden.
	Marriage is between a man and a woman.
	It's hard to recognize his voice.
	Things have changed so much in recent years.
	I bet that clip will go viral soon.
	Let's go to your calls.
	Tom Atlanta, Line 4.
	Welcome to America First, Tom.
	Hey, Professor Gorka.
	It took 2,000 mules to put one jackass in the White House.
	Correct.
	So don't be a jackass and watch 2,000 Meals.
	Oh, I like that.
	That's good.
	All right.
	Clip that.
	I love that.
	We're going to use that video.
	We're going to send that to Dinesh and the whole team, Catherine Engelbrecht.
	I love it, Tom.
	Nicely done.
	Don, Denver, welcome to America First.
	Hi, Dr. G. Hey.
	Thanks for the time.
	All right.
	You've got a minute before we end this for a second hour.
	Hit me.
	Quick question then.
	As Democrats consider January 6th an insurrection, can't Nancy Pelosi be considered an accessory as she didn't accept the 20,000 National Guard troops from President Trump?
	That's an interesting question.
	You have to be conscious to be an accessory.
	You know, being merely incompetent or drunk or senile I don't think is an adequate measure.
	But it's a good question.
	I like that.
	Stay on the line, Tom.
	I think that deserves a signed copy of Defeating Jihad.
	Yeah, it's a good question, because President Trump did offer thousands of National Guardsmen, and what did the Speaker of the House do?
	Said, sorry, we don't need them.
	And then, allegedly, there's an insurrection.
	How did that happen?
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	We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.
	Let me say it again.
	The 2020 election was the most secure election in American history.
	Let me begin by asking a very simple question.
	Do we know the truth about what really happened in the 2020 election?
	I think millions of Americans know something went wrong, and they have little pieces, and no one's really put it together.
	I'm agnostic on this question, and I am awaiting more information.
	If I believed the president were a Nazi, I might steal an election.
	Bold accusations require bold evidence, and they haven't seen it.
	We have been working on something big.
	Show me the money.
	Can we meet?
	I've been working with Greg Phillips.
	He has a deep background in election intelligence.
	True The Vote has the largest store of election intelligence for the 2020 elections in the world.
	No one has more data than we do.
	We identified in Atlanta 242 mules that went to an average of 24 drop boxes.
	But Philadelphia alone, we've identified more than 1,100 mules.
	What is a mule?
	Do you have video evidence?
	and running them to the drop boxes.
	- This is not grandma walking her dog.
	Bad backgrounds, bad reputation.
	They are interested in one thing, that's money.
	- And in no shape, in no way, in no time is that legal.
	- This is organized crime.
	- Do you have video evidence?
	- Four million minutes of surveillance video around the country.
	- What you're about to see is disturbing.
	- So this is one o'clock in the morning Don't we all vote at 1 o'clock in the morning?
	One night, this person, this mule, went across six counties to 27 different drop boxes.
	I call it the Mexican Mafia, seriously.
	Because they work like that.
	This is jaw-dropping.
	What you showed is frightening.
	It's just sickening to me.
	Now we come to the most important question of all.
	Was the magnitude of vote trafficking enough to tip the balance in the 2020 presidential election?
	It's not a leap to say this would have made a difference.
	They have ruined election day in the United States of America.
	That's provable.
	And that's enough for me to fight the left with every fiber in my body.
	Without free and fair elections, we are not a democracy.
	We are a criminal cartel masquerading as a democracy.
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	What does the word war mean?
	It has been grossly overused in the last few decades, the war on drugs, the war on poverty.
	For millions in Europe, it has another meaning, the original meaning.
	Let's listen to a man who understands what it means as he leads his nation against invaders.
	This is President Zelensky talking recently at the Grammys.
	The war.
	What's more opposite to music?
	The silence ruins cities and kills people.
	Our children draw swooping rockets, not shooting stars.
	Over 400 children have been injured and 153 children died, and we'll never see them drawing.
	Our parents are happy to wake up in the morning in bomb shelters, but alive.
	Our loved ones don't know if we will be together again.
	The war doesn't let us choose who survives and who stays in internal silence.
	Our musicians wear body armor instead of tuxedos.
	They seem to be wounded in hospitals.
	Very, very solemn words there.
	What is the opposite of music, of celebrating music?
	It's having civilians and women and children under attack by a nation that has a record of doing that again and again and again.
	What is the latest from Ukraine?
	How far will it go?
	Let's talk to a man who knows, who's been covering it, and who has a very special qualification now, as of this weekend.
	He's the Senior Vice President of the American Foreign Policy Council, Ilan Berman.
	Welcome to America First.
	Oh, thanks, Sebastian.
	Good to be back.
	So you've changed your bio on Twitter.
	There's a new line at the end of it.
	There is.
	Sanctioned by Russia.
	Ilan Berman.
	Sanctioned by Russia.
	Yeah, quite a few of us have been, but... I'm jealous now!
	I would like to be sanctioned!
	Okay, guys, put the tweet up on the screen.
	I received this from Ilan on Saturday.
	Quote, there's nothing quite like waking up on a Saturday morning and finding out you've been sanctioned by the Russian government.
	Quote, I finally made it, guys.
	Little old Ilan Berman, what did you do?
	Did you, like, take back the Crimea single-handedly?
	What did you do?
	Well, so, as they say in business, you haven't really arrived until somebody's sued you.
	So I feel like in politics, this is sort of proof of concept that the work that I've been doing, you know, for years, and you and I have talked about this a lot, on Russian politics, Russian demographics, Russian neo-imperialism, you know, the right people are taking notice.
	Okay, so you append a link in your tweet to the official document.
	Is your crime against the Kremlin listed there?
	What did you do specifically to get sanctioned, Ilan?
	No, it doesn't.
	It just... It's just you're a bad guy.
	You're a bloody, bloody boy.
	Me and, I think, 961 other people, including people like former Senator Orrin Hatch, former Senator John McCain, who are not with us anymore.
	Hang on, they sanctioned dead people?
	They did.
	This is a real thing, right?
	This is not some Russian troll using the Russian official government website.
	No, my sense is that it was cobbled together over the series of months, right?
	But McCain's been dead for years!
	But uh well.
	How come we don't sanction deaf people?
	Close enough for government work.
	Oh my gosh.
	Should we sanction Khrushchev next?
	I mean what would you do?
	Stalin should be sanctioned.
	Okay I'm glad we can laugh about it because there are things of such enormity that a little bit of humor is is necessary but but seriously I am a little bit jealous.
	Okay so God bless you and seriously congratulations if a murderous thug KGB colonel's government sanctions you It's as Churchill told us, a man is measured by his enemies and your estimation has gone up in my eyes even more than I thought it could.
	So congratulations.
	So let's talk about what's happening.
	First, a kind of general observation I've been feeling for the last two or three weeks.
	Sadly, as some predicted this, Ukraine is not in the front of the headlines as it used to be.
	Are we really that short of attention span that Americans aren't adequately following this truly monumental story as closely as we should?
	So I think that was always the fear that everybody had, which was that the longer the war dragged on, the more Western attention would waver.
	And the second part of it, which is the more worrisome part, is the more Western resolve will waver.
	Because what you're hearing now is more and more politicians in Europe, including politicians in the United States, talking about the fact that in order for the war to end, we should be pressuring the Ukrainians to make compromises.
	To negotiate.
	To negotiate, essentially to relieve the pressure to give Vladimir Putin a soft exit.
	And I actually think this is a really fascinating situation.
	The Russian military has blundered gloriously, right?
	This is a colossal military miscalculation.
	Same number of casualties in three months as in 10 years in Afghanistan.
	Exactly, exactly.
	And this is all at the feet of Vladimir Putin.
	And the worry now is this really paradoxical thing that we didn't think about three months ago, which is the Russians are losing so badly that there's really no graceful exit for Vladimir Putin.
	There's no way to save grace after what's actually happened in the last three months.
	Exactly.
	And also, if we can go back to Afghanistan.
	In Afghanistan, the pressure on the then Soviet regime It took seven, eight years to build because there was no access to information.
	The conscripts' bodies were simply, you know, they died in training accidents.
	Although social media is fatally compromised in the Soviet Union, but at least the deaths of conscripts are an issue a month in, not a decade in.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	And this was always, you know, with the new media cycle, the new saturation with social media, though any conflict like this has a much shorter shelf life, a sort of life cycle.
	It turns over very quickly.
	Because the amount of information that's available.
	Exactly.
	And because, quite frankly, the Ukrainians are winning the information war against the Russians.
	I have to say, can I just interrupt you there?
	For a country, and we know it's got problems, and yes, we know there's corruption.
	I get it, guys, but it's still a free, independent country.
	Washington is corrupt.
	We don't think China invading would be a good thing either, okay?
	But for a country that is, let's say, backward in terms of civil society compared to Belgium or Switzerland, their information warfare Has been stunningly good.
	I mean, the videos of Ukrainians, you know, of a peasant girl in traditional dress, you know, with a dead Russian soldier at her feet.
	I, as somebody who worked in military intelligence in a Western army, I'm impressed, Ilan.
	No, absolutely.
	And by the way, as you know, success begets success.
	Yes.
	And so the fact that the Ukrainians are doing well on the battlefield, the fact that they have things to report on and the Russians don't, really sort of elevates that imbalance.
	It amplifies the good job that they're doing with good news stories that they can actually tell and they can telegraph.
	And I think President Zelensky, in particular, right, in personifying the war, in showing a strong leader, a strong image of leadership, has been indispensable in keeping attention on the conflict in terms of Western audiences.
	In terms of media spectacles like the Grammys, where really there's no political thought other than correct political thought that's expressed, this is, I think, very much a breath of fresh air.
	And whilst there is, of course, a huge amount of Russian bot activity and the standard kind of TASS, Izvestia propaganda line, there's a lack of sophistication, especially from the head of that country, by comparison, who allegedly doesn't have a cell phone, doesn't use computers.
	Well, and it's interesting also because what the Russians are doing and what the Russians are facing in terms of disinformation and media manipulation, it's a moving target.
	Because now the Russians have different problems.
	The Europeans have banded together.
	They've kicked out Russia Today, now known as RT.
	They've kicked out Sputnik.
	Which is a state, let's be clear, a state broadcasting organ.
	Absolutely.
	And they've kicked them out of Of being able to broadcast into the Eurozone.
	So the Russians have a whole demographic inside the European continent that they are having trouble messaging to.
	And they also have other strategic problems that they're trying to deal with.
	So the newest messaging campaign that the Russians have embarked on is to try to convince Swedish and Finnish publics that it's not a good idea for their countries to join NATO.
	And so that movement of disinformation I think is such a fascinating phenomenon.
	Which likely, I mean it's hard to say in warfare, which will likely have the opposite effect and actually make Finns and Swedes even more committed to joining NATO.
	Absolutely.
	And in part because the Ukrainian messaging has been so compelling and so arresting visually.
	Because the Finns and the Swedes I think understand better than most people that there's a bear at the door and they need to stand together or fall separately.
	Right.
	And the Finns, as my son asked me, what's the significance of the Finns joining NATO?
	I said, finally we'll have some good snipers.
	Snipers who know how to kill Russians.
	That's gawker humour.
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	Okay, before we get into it, I could do this for hours with you, Ilan.
	Let's talk about the exigencies of warfare.
	War is about maps, okay?
	If you can't read a map, you're not going to understand warfare.
	Right now, the burning, the burning strategic The challenge, to put it mildly, for Ukraine is to stop Russia taking Odessa and linking it to Mariupol in a land bridge which will effectively make one of the largest nations in Europe a landlocked country, meaning it cannot export anything the way it used to export by the sea.
	Is that close to happening?
	First, do you concur?
	Is it close to happening?
	How significant a threat is that for Kiev?
	Well, that was always the Russian plan, right?
	The idea, if you go on Google and you Google Novorossiya, right, New Russia, you see all these fairly arresting, thankfully sort of not actual images, but fairly arresting representations of what Vladimir Putin wants to do.
	The fantasy, Vlad's fantasy.
	Right, and that is precisely what you said, which is to create a corridor that extends, like a jutting lower lip, extends for the Russian Federation into Ukraine, links up with, as Putin thought he was going to, links up with Ukrainians of Russian extraction, Russian sympathizers, and creates a situation where the Russian Federation Occupies all of the south of Ukraine.
	And by the way, as it creeps further and further west in the Kremlin imagination, you can begin to imagine things like linking up with other enclaves like the enclave of Transnistria in Moldova.
	Or not just enclaves.
	I mean, it's always rule number one of warfare, listen to what the enemy says.
	If you read or listen to the translations of Putin's speeches, he has said, just as he posits Ukraine being illegitimate, a non-nation, he's said the same thing about the Bolsheviks, he's even said the same thing about NATO nation Poland.
	No, and that's exactly right, and that's a fascinating point, and we talked about this earlier.
	The idea that Vladimir Putin is not a Soviet aspirant.
	He's not somebody who's trying to recreate the Soviet Union.
	In fact, in his speeches, he reserves a lot of vitriol for Lenin, because he thinks Lenin was, in your words, too woke.
	Right?
	Lenin created this federated structure that provided too much autonomy to all these different ethnicities.
	Giving national identity, autonomies, and then Khrushchev recognizes Crimea, he's a weakling as well.
	I am the new czar.
	Not a Soviet leader, but the czar of the neo-imperialist Russia.
	Which I think, by the way, for American policy makers is really very difficult to understand.
	The idea that you now have in charge in Russia a leader who believes the Soviet Union was a little bit too much of a politically correct model, and it afforded too much power.
	Just that sentence.
	Let's repeat that.
	The Soviet Union, with its gulags, was a too politically correct version of Russia.
	Stunning.
	No, absolutely, in Vladimir Putin's imagination.
	Because it afforded to all these ethnicities, to all these what Putin would call artificial nation states, the idea that they were real states, that they were real ethnicities.
	And in his conception, there is nothing like that.
	All the boundaries are erased.
	All you have is the Russian Empire.
	And the seat of the Russian Empire, the seat from which the Russian Empire sprang in antiquity, was called Kievan Rus, which had as its center the modern nation state, the territory of the modern nation state of Ukraine.
	Which the irony of which is, if you really understand, if you want to make historic arguments of who came first, it should be Ukraine taking over Russia, right?
	Because, you know, the Rus' land comes out of what is Kievan Rus'.
	Absolutely.
	And this is why, and this is I think a very important point because I've talked about this a lot with fellow academics and think tankers and there's really not a lot of understanding about why Russia cares so much about Ukraine.
	Right, why Ukraine really occupies, why Ukraine is, as the kids say, living rent-free in Vladimir Putin's head.
	But the reason is because Ukraine is the wellspring from which the Russian imperial impulse sprang.
	Without Ukraine, without Kiev and Rus', there's no Russian Empire.
	So you cannot be a new Russian Empire without subjugating Ukraine today.
	It's like Pepsi saying, we are Coca-Cola.
	Right?
	No, seriously.
	It's the latter brand that is built upon the popularity of a progenitor trying to steal the authenticity of the progenitor.
	Right.
	No, no.
	Try to be American about it.
	Right.
	Well, I think that's right.
	I'm not sure if that analogy is exact, but I think the thought is exactly right, which is that the Russian Empire, as Putin conceives of it today, so this neo-imperial sphere of influence, doesn't actually exist in the absence of a whole series of countries that are now countries, real countries, that accept him as a sovereign.
	And increasingly, you're seeing that the opposite of that is happening.
	And as somebody else put it, if you want to have a Russian empire, you can't have it with Ukraine.
	You've got to have that bread basket.
	There's, you know, a rump Russia without Ukraine.
	With Ukraine you can talk about being an empire.
	Talk to us about the significance of this land in terms of economics, in terms of agriculture.
	People forget that, for example, 60% of the wheat that makes the bread in Egypt comes from Ukraine.
	The last Egyptian government fell because of bread prices.
	So people think, Ukraine, far away, who cares?
	It's kind of Russia, isn't it anyway?
	But this is a nation that provides so much to so many, that if it becomes landlocked, that's not a geopolitical crisis we can stay out of.
	No, no, absolutely right.
	And I think that that's the sleeper issue, the issue that most people aren't focusing on, the food security issue, because the ripples of the Ukraine war are going to extend far beyond Ukraine in terms of the disruption that you have to global markets.
	I was in the Middle East a few days before the war started and I remember looking at grain prices and commodity prices there and I was struck by the fact, I was in Israel, and I was struck by the fact that already Israeli Politicians, Israeli analysts, were worried about what this might do.
	What this disruption of grain supply might do to Israeli consumption of bread and cereal and things like that.
	Things that aren't super sexy.
	Or the neighborhood.
	Absolutely.
	But this is precisely the point.
	Israel is a first world economy.
	They are resilient.
	They are stable.
	They can weather, because of the average cost of living, they can weather a hike in grain prices.
	Unlike other nations.
	Unlike Lebanon.
	unlike Tunisia.
	And we're talking about not a small nation of a few million.
	We're talking about nations of tens of hundreds of millions who suddenly will wake up one morning and not be able to afford bread.
	That is how global crises are born.
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	That's SalemNow.com Ilan, we've talked about the danger of a landlocked Ukraine.
	Let's talk about our actions to date.
	I've said $40 billion worth of aid doesn't make a lot of sense in terms of cash to Kiev, especially when it has line items for $7 billion for the State Department, an undisclosed amount of money for the CIA.
	That doesn't look like aid to Kiev.
	Having spoken to criminologists, people who've worked in the Ukraine, What they need is what Zelensky is calling for, which is weapons.
	Which is weaponry, ammunition, wheeled vehicles to move their troops and also training of their reserves in safe locales like the Baltics and Poland.
	Will you give us your assessment of the West en bloc's response to this war in the last three months?
	Right.
	Well, I mean, there's a lot there to unpack, but listen, I think generally I'm positive on the Western response.
	I do have some of the same misgivings as you, which is because our politics, I may say charitably, have become intolerably stupid.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I firmly believe sunlight is the best disinfectant.
	I want to see what is allocated, whether it's actually going to be useful to Ukraine.
	And accountability.
	Absolutely.
	But can I just flip on that stupid politics?
	There's also the flip side of that.
	That if you're pro, as we are, supporting what I see as Ukraine 1776, suddenly you're an interventionist neocon.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	Nuts!
	And that isn't true either.
	Listen, I think the center of gravity, and I think you'll agree with me, I think the center of gravity of any aid that we give, that our European allies give, has to be robust enough and effective enough to stand down the Russians and to create the breathing room that Ukraine needs to succeed.
	I've used harsh language in everything I've written or said.
	I've said, aid we give to Kiev should have one purpose, to make Russians bleed.
	To make, you know, those in uniform who are executing the mission of this mass murderer now, because you can say that, make them bleed, make them hurt.
	Whether it's weaponry, whether it's intelligence, help the Ukrainians win this war.
	I think it's a very simple metric.
	No, I think you're right.
	But what I don't like is the idea that you have a large aid package that resembles a lot the old Nancy Pelosi canard of you have to pass it in order to find out what's in it.
	I don't think that's a good way to do defense allocations.
	I do think that we really need to listen to the Ukrainians and listen to what they're actually asking for.
	As opposed to having promised something via Poland, such as the backfilling of Soviet jets given to Ukraine, and then having somebody in the Pentagon say, we think Ukraine doesn't need that.
	I think probably when Ukraine says they do, perhaps the person on the front line knows better what they need.
	No, absolutely.
	But I think all of this needs to be balanced against the realization, which the other side doesn't understand, is that our allocation of effective defensive aid is not us itching for a fight with the Russians.
	It's us understanding that if Putin is not deterred now, we're going to need to deter him later.
	Right.
	So this is a crench or stupid tweet that, you know, this is how we defeat Russia.
	No, no, no.
	It's how we stop the first domino falling.
	Correct.
	Yeah.
	And because, you know, we were talking about history, it's useful to remember that Russia is approaching all of this encroachment on its former holdings.
	Right.
	Because let's be clear, it thinks of it as its former holdings.
	Soviet territory is ours, is ours and will in perpetuity will be ours.
	It thinks of it as a multi-course meal.
	It seizes, it eats, it digests and it comes back for seconds.
	And it's been doing that since, well, the mid-2000s, right?
	Because you had the cyberattack against Estonia, you had the war with Georgia, which also lopped off semi-autonomous parts of territory, you had the occupation and annexation of Crimea in 2014, and now you have what's happening in the east of Ukraine, in the Donbas.
	And so, the idea that this has not happened before is frankly ahistoric.
	The Russians have an established pattern of behavior.
	The only question for us is whether or not we have enough skin in the game to prevent another course from coming.
	Right.
	That's the big question.
	As President Trump said in his, I think his most important speech, the speech in Warsaw, the question for the West is do we have the will to fight and defeat those who wish to destroy us because of the value systems of the Judeo-Christian system.
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	We're talking to Ilhan Berman.
	He's the author of Implosion, The End of Russia and What It Means for America, Senior Vice President of the American Foreign Policy Council.
	So, let's talk about Putin and scenarios.
	As far as I'm concerned, there's no negotiated off-ramp because he wants Ukraine, he wants the Bolts, he wants all these breakaway republics, he wants Poland.
	So, the way you stop this is by making it impossible for him to go further.
	So, the latest reports out of Kiev, no, we're not negotiating.
	We are fighting for free Ukraine.
	God bless them.
	Let's talk about inside Russia.
	Allegedly he had some cancer operation.
	He's been arresting people left right and center.
	He doesn't look too healthy.
	He's not a crazy guy.
	This is what KGB colonels do.
	When it comes to scenarios inside Russia, has he effectively Destroyed, killed or imprisoned any resistance?
	And if there is a quote-unquote regime change, it's only going to come from people who are already inside the Kremlin or the General Staff, is it not?
	Right.
	Well, so there's two things there, right?
	So the first question is, if there is some sort of political transition in Russia, what kind will it be?
	And we all hope that it is the Russian people rising up, but I mean... To be a democracy like they've never ever been?
	Absolutely.
	But they've never had in history in a country that spans nine separate time zones.
	Bingo.
	So the idea is a good one, and I think it's a laudable one.
	But there's many a slip between cup and lip.
	And so you have politicians, politicians like Alexei Navalny, who are really galvanizing increasingly the young cohort in the country to start to worry about things like corruption, to worry about things like transparency.
	There have been protests, but they've been brutalized.
	They have, and they've been isolated, which is, you know, when you have cities with protests in the Russian Far East, this is many time zones and many hundreds of thousands of miles away from actually affecting change, right?
	And so you have, I think you have an agency problem, right, with regard to the Russian opposition.
	The most likely regime change, if it does happen, is actually from within the cohort that surrounds Putin.
	Now, some have said that, oh, it's going to be the oligarchs because the oligarchs don't like their yachts being taken away.
	But people don't understand how the oligarchs became the oligarchs.
	The oligarchs became the oligarchs because Putin said, you don't ask me how I got here, I want to ask you about your first million.
	I mean, they're not there, but for...
	Putin.
	So the idea that an oligarch is suddenly going to take him down, isn't it more likely to be members of the Siloviki or the military who say, this is hurting the official establishment, not the oligarchs.
	And we're just going to do like, you know, like, like a Caesar, we're going to take him out.
	So, right, so, not to wax too academic, but I think that's absolutely right, because if you look historically over the instances of regime change in the 20th century, and there have been a lot of them, the average regime change, if you could call it that, is not an authoritarian to democratic transition.
	It's actually an authoritarian to authoritarian transition.
	It's the, you know, one member of the old guard taking out another member of the old guard.
	Right.
	And that, I think, that leads me directly to my second point, which is that I think we structurally have a Russia problem in the way we think about Russia.
	Because we know that Russian institutions are famously corrupt.
	We know that the force ministries, the Siloviki, the intelligence services, those professionals have infiltrated and permeated all of the structures that could potentially ever lead to a democratic Russia.
	But we have personalized our understanding of Russia to such an extent that if Vladimir Putin does leave the scene, you know that the next minute there will be conversations about normalizing Russia, allowing Russia to re-enter the global community of nations.
	Which is exactly what happened with Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
	We looked at them as the saviors of US-Russian relations, when in fact they were neither.
	Right, and that's why, that's where I think the danger for Putin as a person comes from.
	Because the crowd that surrounds him, the Sileviki, the enforcers, the people who are in positions of power, understand very well that their system, the system that brought them to power, that elevated them, that made them famously rich, will remain intact if only this troublesome individual is removed.
	They're banking on the idea that we won't look behind the curtain and look at the fact that the Russian government, as currently constituted, is really a problem and a drag on international security.
	We're just going to be thankful that Putin is gone.
	And sadly, I think they're probably correct.
	We're going to address one issue that comes up again and again and again and is kind of unsubtly used by the Kremlin, and that's nuclear weapons.
	Now, in comparison to the Cold War, yeah, the control is far looser.
	It used to be Communist Party and Politburo, very tight reins on nuclear weapons.
	Communist Party doesn't exist anymore.
	The control is in the armed forces.
	But the idea that this is a crazy man who's gonna, you know, nuke Kiev.
	This is a posturing act.
	It's not a scenario he's considering.
	Or is it?
	Well, I think really that's a $64,000 question.
	I am not sure that I am comfortable wagering even one life on the idea that I could be wrong.
	But my sense is what yours is, which is that the Russians, and before them the Soviets, were very good at gaming Western strategy at creating what we still recall was called the balance of terror.
	The idea that they would hold our populations at risk and constrain the way we reacted to them.
	Why?
	Because, well, Western countries tend to value the lives of their citizens more than the Soviets did.
	And therefore, they could get away with a lot by targeting what they call countervalue, right?
	Cities, population centers, things that we value.
	And my sense is that's really the thinking today.
	The worry that Western leaders have of overpowering.
	Over a Russian utilization of nuclear weapons, tactical nuclear weapons, theater nuclear weapons, what have you, is propelling some of what we talked about earlier.
	This idea that you have to give Putin an off-ramp.
	You have to create a face-saving measure for him to step down from this war.
	And if we don't, bad consequences will ensue.
	They may.
	But it's also a calculation that's baked into everything that Putin is doing.
	He is expecting that reaction from us.
	Right.
	If you want more on this, this is actually a quasi-theological item in Soviet doctrine.
	It's called reflexive control.
	It's understanding your adversary's pressure points and what they are most sensitive to and driving them down a certain decision tree based upon their sensitivities.
	There's some great writing on this.
	Tim Thomas out of Fort Leavenworth.
	I talk about it in my second book, Why We Fight.
	Look up Reflexive Control in Why We Fight and also Tim Thomas.
	We're talking to Ilan Berman.
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	So you said something about how we've personalized our understanding.
	We've been seeing We have the wrong metrics or the wrong prism through which to even begin to understand Russia.
	If there were a new administration, if it were a robust administration that Let's just leave it at that.
	A robust administration.
	What would be the first thing that Ilan Berman would recommend or the first two things that should be done differently in terms of understanding today's Russia, yesterday's Russia, tomorrow's Russia?
	Right.
	Well, I think we're sort of, you know, the administration is coming to these conclusions as a result of what it's seeing.
	Kicking and screaming, being dragged to those conclusions.
	Reality is a harsh mistress, right?
	But I think it's precisely what the administration has learned over the last several weeks of watching the Russians fight.
	It is that Russia is Yeah.
	in essence, at its core, an expansionist endeavor.
	They believe, truly deeply believe, that they're destined to be an empire, that they have an imperial calling, and they want to expand their borders outward.
	And they will do so even against adverse conditions unless there is some sort of break on their expansionism.
	And that break, you know, we may, our politicians may talk about things like climate change, may talk about things like international institutions, but the most effective break on Russian expansionism has been visual images, arresting visual images of our willingness to supply free peoples with the weapons to stand them down.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	They look at this expansionist mandate paradoxically as a mode of defense.
	It's manifest destiny, right?
	We must be an expanding empire and also this is how we defend against those who wish to encircle us is by expanding and taking other people's territory, correct?
	It's this very strange bad neighbor problem, right?
	When you have a bad neighbor who constantly, you know, doesn't mow his lawn or doesn't take out the trash or, you know, throws trash all over his driveway and then he yells at you for the perceived wrong that you're doing by calling attention to it.
	Yes.
	Right?
	So you have this weird situation where the Russians for years have railed against NATO expansion, right?
	The idea that NATO is expanding, that they have a sense of siege.
	That free countries shouldn't be allowed to join the club of free countries.
	Right.
	And yet, they create the military conditions that propel free countries to join NATO.
	Which is the beautiful irony of the last three weeks, three months, if anything can be said about it.
	It is beautiful that by using this dogma, they've actually encouraged erstwhile neutral nations like Finland.
	I don't know.

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