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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Mike Pence thinks he can be president

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	The election event for her latest endeavor.
	We will get to that momentarily.
	But what do you need to know?
	We have a roster of superlative guests today from Cash Patel, Eric Greitens, John Solomon, Margot Cleveland, and also Well, somebody who is fighting the swamp and making sure that the diversity goals of the left aren't quite as effective as they would like them to be.
	But we have news, of course.
	Monkeypox is the next big threat.
	Are you ready to get Triple mast and quadruple vaccinated.
	Where's Fauci?
	I think he got a couple of honorary doctorates at the weekend.
	If you're a college inviting Fauci to give a commencement or give him an honorary doctorate, you may wish to think twice about giving money to that college after your son or daughter Graduated this weekend.
	Biden has done it again.
	I forgot the first instance of when he put his foot into it a year ago.
	He's done it again, talking about how the US military will defend Taiwan from Communist China.
	Of course, the White House had to try and pick up the pieces of that statement after his multiple gaffes in Europe with regards to Ukraine.
	I guess they're getting used to it.
	Don't worry about baby formula!
	Biden has deployed the US military to bring 70,000 pounds of baby formula from Europe, which will last us, given the average intake of newborn formula in America, two days.
	Yes, two days.
	Then what happens?
	The Sussman trial is getting ever more interesting.
	And then, perhaps the biggest news of the day for the MAGA audience that is America First, Mike Pence, according to his staff.
	Is considering running for President of the United States.
	What do you think of that?
	Give us a call.
	The number here.
	I know you have an opinion on that one.
	It's 833-33-GORKA.
	Let's unleash the calls.
	Let's open the lines.
	833-334-6752.
	That's 833-334-6752.
	Okay, let's talk about the interesting weekend my wife and I had.
	833-334-6752.
	That's 833-334-6752.
	Okay, let's talk about the interesting weekend my wife and I had.
	After the local community center and library decided that transgenderism is what the local community is interested in, and decided to host a Drag Queen Story Hour for Children, Many people said, no, that's wrong.
	That isn't diversity.
	That is grooming.
	That is attempting to sexualize and undermine young children, minors.
	My wife, who'd eschewed active politics for a decade over me trying to encourage her, suddenly said to me one day, two, three months ago, I'm going to run for the local community centre board and I've already put in my application.
	I was stunned.
	I was floored.
	I was impressed.
	And she worked hard.
	Here's a photograph of her, Katie.
	This weekend at the McLean Day celebrations, which is when the community votes for their community centre board, three positions were open, nine candidates, and Katie was the only Conservative, thank you Eric, of nine candidates.
	Let's just stop there for a second.
	That, in a nutshell, is the challenge.
	We don't even have to get into deep discussions on critical race theory, critical theory, queer theory, James Lindsay's book, Chris Ruffo's work.
	No.
	Forget about the deep dive.
	In a local community center election, in the richest county in America, there are nine people running and one conservative.
	Why is that?
	If you're a conservative listening in Fairfax County and McLean, why didn't you run?
	I think I'm going to run next time.
	I think Katie should run again because she didn't win, although Amazing result in an election that usually garners a thousand votes.
	That's another indictment, I guess, of American politics.
	A thousand people vote in that community center election.
	She got 600 votes.
	Great result.
	First time she's run for anything.
	However, there were 2,000 early votes this year.
	Isn't that fascinating?
	Isn't that redolent?
	Doesn't that echo with regards to 2020?
	2,000 early votes in an election that in toto usually has a thousand people bothered to vote?
	Of course the democrat anointed slate of three individuals, radicals, won.
	Naturally.
	Because where are the conservatives?
	We drew the requisite lessons.
	My wife is more energized than ever.
	But here's a story I want to share with you from that day.
	We were outside in 93 degree heat for six hours, encouraging voters, telling them about my wife's platform, when a woman who was loitering at our table for the longest time, as we were talking to a real conservative, started to bait us.
	She said, I'm not voting for you, but I want to know what your policies are.
	And then she did the guilt by association.
	I was standing next to my wife and she said, I'm going to vote against you because of him!
	I joined the conversation.
	Because of me?
	Why, pray tell?
	Because I'm afraid of you.
	You frighten me!
	I looked you up.
	And your stance on what America should be is frightening.
	And I said, oh really?
	At which point she lectured me about her credentials.
	I'm a PhD!
	Yeah, great.
	So what?
	So am I. I dug a little deeper.
	So what is it that frightens you about me?
	What do you know about me?
	At which point this white, liberal, PhD said, well I've looked you up on Wikipedia.
	There you have it.
	America has a race problem.
	It's race problem.
	It's white liberals.
	PhD or not, male or female, but white liberals who think they're educated And think an argument is won because of something they read on Wikipedia.
	That is an organ of propaganda in which anybody can write anything, but if you challenge it as a conservative, as I did once I joined the White House and all kinds of smears were written on my Wikipedia page, what did they do?
	They locked the page from further editing.
	After our conversation, do you know how she ended it?
	She said, I'm so afraid that my husband and our children, we're probably going to leave America for Europe.
	With one footnote she just had to add.
	I don't know if she knows about my background.
	She said, but the one place we're not going is Hungary.
	I'm sure President Viktor Orban is happy about that.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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	Can you play me cut 11?
	I'm sorry.
	The abortion rights battle is starting to blur the lines between church and state.
	The Archbishop of San Francisco It's calling for Speaker Nancy Pelosi to be denied receiving Communion because of her pro-choice stance.
	He's one of the priests who also called for President Biden to be denied sacrament.
	This is not your job, dude!
	That is not, you can't, that is not up to you to make that decision.
	How dumb is she?
	Again, a non-religious person telling religious people what to do.
	Wow.
	It is exactly his job to do that.
	Uh, okay.
	Oh, let me hear nine.
	Go ahead.
	If you attend a small dinner party of typically very liberal, upper income Angelenos, it is not uncommon to hear parents who each have a trans kid having a conversation about that.
	What are the odds of that happening in Youngstown, Ohio?
	If this spike in trans children is all natural, why is it regional?
	Either Ohio is shaming them or California is creating them.
	Okay.
	Six.
	So are you saying that the United States would come to Taiwan's defense if China attacked?
	Yes, we have a commitment to do that.
	And then five.
	Are you willing to get involved militarily to defend Taiwan if it comes to that?
	Yes.
	You are?
	That's a commitment we made.
	Okay.
	That's a commitment we made.
	We are not, look, here's...
	Three and four.
	Here you have her campaign manager blurting out in open court in a very sort of casual way that, yes, she approved referring these lies to a reporter.
	And I think this is just the tip of the iceberg.
	I think anybody with common sense understands all of this originated with Mrs. Clinton.
	It was all executed by Mrs. Clinton.
	None of these people freelanced any of this.
	It all came from her.
	And the web is incredibly wide.
	So good for Derm for being very Methodical is taking a lot longer than a lot of us expect and want, but he is putting pieces of the puzzle together.
	And again, I think it extends beyond Mrs. Clinton well into the Obama White House.
	That includes the current president.
	Alright, I'm going to use that after Israel and before we get to Margo.
	Alright.
	Is she calling in?
	Jeff says she's not answering.
	Can you play me 4?
	4.
	Give it to him.
	Are we really surprised that those who are comfortable with the fact that America has exterminated 63 million babies since 1973 support violence?
	I can't think of anything more violent than killing tens of millions of God's precious children.
	And look, we know how Biden and Kamala will respond.
	They'll Go ahead now.
	So you're not coming in with anything, Seth?
	this violence.
	And conservatives believe in rights for pre-born children.
	I believe life is sacred, and I am unapologetic about this.
	Democrats believe in death and violence, and the DHS is warning us we could see a lot more this summer.
	Go ahead now.
	So you're not coming in with anything, Seth?
	No, just Israel, and I'll tee up that cup.
	Please, go Oh, there he is.
	There's my guy.
	Good job.
	Thank you, Mr. President.
	How's your new show going?
	Good?
	Very well, thank you.
	I heard good.
	Thank you.
	Yes, indeed.
	Thank you, Mr. President.
	Welcome back to America First.
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	Mr. G, are you there?
	I'm here.
	Who gave Monica Crowley permission to go on somebody else's show?
	I heard she was on Fox.
	Yes, she was last night and it was good.
	I heard it was.
	I thought she was our buddy.
	No, we can let her do stuff like that because she was on fire with our buddy Steve Hilton.
	Let's play that cut from Monica Crowley.
	Cut three.
	Here you have her campaign manager blurting out in open court in a very sort of casual way that, yes, she approved referring these lies to a reporter.
	And I think this is just the tip of the iceberg.
	I think anybody with common sense understands all of this originated with Mrs. Clinton.
	It was all executed by Mrs. Clinton.
	None of these people freelanced any of this.
	It all came from her.
	And the web is incredibly wide.
	So good for Durham for being very Methodical is taking a lot longer than a lot of us expect and want, but he is putting pieces of the puzzle together.
	And again, I think it extends beyond Mrs. Clinton well into the Obama White House.
	That includes the current president.
	Includes the current president and Obama as well.
	What do you need to know about the Sussman trial?
	There's a superb article, I have it in my hands right now, that we are posting on Twitter and Facebook.
	But even better than that, we have its author on the line.
	She is Senior Legal Correspondent for The Federalist, Margot Cleveland.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Thanks so much for having me.
	Margot, before we dive into your summation of what's going on and the significant developments of late, I have to ask you, given your 25 years of being a clerk in the federal courts, your reaction to the leak of the 67-page Supreme Court justice memo on Roe v. Wade and Casey?
	Oh my gosh, I am so glad you asked.
	It was horrifying.
	I for two days was just jaw dropped.
	There was so much stuff that over 25 years that I had knowledge of, even thinking of discussing a vote would have been just beyond Anything I would consider, much less the opinion.
	And I still don't think that the populace as a whole understand how outrageous this was.
	After it happened, I spoke with a couple other people that I had worked with over the years, and they said the same thing, that it's really hard to convey to someone not in that setting how just mystifying it is.
	We have such confidential communications with judges, Not just about them, but also about what other judges are thinking.
	And you just can't do that without destroying the judicial system.
	It was appalling.
	You need to follow this lady.
	You need to read her article.
	We're posting it right now.
	Prof MJ Cleveland on Twitter.
	The article is, here's where the special counsel criminal case stands.
	Give us the highlights, the things that millions of people listening right now may not know, but are very important about this case and recent revelations.
	Margot.
	Sure, so you can kind of look at it from two perspectives.
	One, the purely legal, and then two, the what was really going on.
	And the clip that you had played for Monica is kind of the what was really going on that we learned last week, that yes, Hillary green-lighted this.
	And throughout this case and the court pleadings, you know that all this originated with Hillary Clinton.
	So that's something that's been going on and has been exposed.
	Let's be explicit here.
	So the smear campaign that was paid for by the Hillary campaign that Michael Sussman, the lawyer, Planted with his contacts at the FBI.
	The biggest revelation is that that was okayed and authorized for dissemination by Hillary Clinton herself, according to one of her campaign staffers, senior individuals, Robbie Mook, last week in that court.
	Right, that it was okay for her to distribute it to the media.
	And they haven't gone so far as to say, well, yeah, she knew it was going to the FBI.
	But if you look at what she tweeted out, which was the, I think it was Jake Sullivan, who is now in the White House, is now working back in the government.
	They said, oh, I hope the government's looking into it.
	One, there were emails showing that Fusion was telling the media folks that the government is investigating this.
	And two, They know very well that when they said, hey, I hope the government's investigating it, that's telling the government, investigate it.
	So I don't think it's much of a leap to say that there was a wink and a nod about also it going to the government.
	But she definitely gave it the green light to the media.
	But it goes beyond that.
	It wasn't just this Alpha Bank.
	Fusion was doing everything with the Steele dossier.
	And that was all Hillary Clinton, too, paying for it, disseminating all of these lies, and it's appalling that this media has been silent on the Sussman case.
	There has been more coverage of monkeypox than there has been on the pox of our house in the White House.
	Oh, come on, Margot, two people out of 330 million caught monkeypox.
	Seriously, I mean, how can you degrade that story?
	We're only talking about the attempt to subvert an election in the most powerful nation in the world.
	Margot, with your decades worth of experience, I have to ask you the question that most of our listeners and callers ask.
	Is Durham the real deal?
	Is he concentrating on small fry, or could this actually go up to the real propagators, originators, and the people who really had most to benefit from the Steele dossier?
	I think that he is going to find how high it went, but I think that we need to be prepared that justice is not necessarily going to be jail.
	We might not see any charges brought against any of the big people or any of the people in the swamp who knew what was going on, but exposing it is still very important.
	And I think that Durham is really getting to the bottom or trying to get to the bottom of it.
	But I think that your listeners also need to realize he is playing up against people who aren't being frank.
	Baker didn't go back and look at his text.
	He said in trial, this was something kind of interesting.
	This isn't my investigation.
	This is yours.
	When you heard the if you saw anyone following the testimony from today, Priestap was very, very tight in how he was testifying.
	He's not there to help the government's case.
	When you see the Office Inspector General who didn't disclose information to the Special Counsel, they're not helping him.
	So, yes, this is taking a long time because they're protecting their own.
	And hopefully he's still going to get through it.
	You look at the details that he's brought out here.
	He's come a long way of putting it together.
	And don't forget, we have Danchenko still coming up.
	And Danchenko has a lot more involvement than what Sussman does.
	All right.
	You need to stay apprised of these things, not just by reading the indictments, but by reading the coverage from the Federalist, from this superb correspondent.
	It is Prof. M. J. Cleveland on Twitter.
	The article we're posting right now is, Here's Where the Special Counsel Criminal Case Stands.
	Thank you, Margot.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	are your calls next here on America First.
	Right, can you play one and two? .
	What have your health advisors told you your level of concern should be about monkeypox and the cases that are in the United States and around the world?
	Well, they haven't told me the level of exposure yet, but it is something that everybody should be concerned about.
	We're working on it hard to figure out what we do and what vaccine, if any, may be available for.
	But it is a concern in the sense that if it were to spread, it's consequential.
	That's all they told me.
	Last weekend on Fox News Sunday, you were asked, where were you an adjunct professor?
	And you did not answer that basic question. - Yeah.
	No, that's not true, Brian.
	Again, I don't know if it's laziness or being insidious.
	No, no.
	I don't know if it's laziness as journalists or just as something more insidious, but it is a dereliction of duty because it is all right there.
	I have been running for over 13 months and just five days ago the media finally paid attention that there was someone else other than Mamet Oz and Dave McCormick Runny.
	I worked at Justin University and what I said, if you can go to my website even now, BarnettForSenate.com and it's there.
	I did do that.
	But if there was true If there was true vetting, then you would be vetting on why John Fetterman chased down a black man with a shotgun.
	And now that particular person is the Democrat nominee for the Senate.
	And so that would be very good vetting that needs to be done.
	I embellish nothing.
	My life has been out there as an open book for many years.
	But again, whether laziness or just something more insidious, the media refused to do their job.
	Nice, good job, good job.
	Titles for Monologue and Berman and Cleveland.
	John Durham's Uphill Battle.
	And Cleveland.
	Preferences, Jeff?
	Hold on.
	John Durham's Uphill Battle.
	I don't know if you want five, but anywhere else other than that.
	You see what five wants.
	Okay, thanks.
	John Durham's Uphill Battle, that's Cleveland.
	And then, monologue, America's problem, white liberals.
	Oh, stupid white liberals.
	Or is that, is that like an oxymoron?
	I mean, is that tautology?
	If you're a liberal, you're stupid, right?
	Uh, Jeff, what say you?
	Stupid sounds better.
	Yeah, good.
	Uh, and then Berman.
	Oh, um.
	Something like the information warfare, possibly?
	Yeah.
	Information war, colon, Kiev is beating Putin.
	Kiev is beating Putin.
	Thank you.
	Does this mic look silly?
	It's so tall.
	I think it looks cool.
	Good.
	It's like... Are we coming in with anything?
	I'm going to do... I forgot 2000, so I'm going to do 2000 here.
	I'm going to do 2,000 here.
	All right.
	With more journalism in his little finger than CNN has on its entire network.
	Sebastian Gorka.
	Just when you think Whoopi Goldberg can't get any stupider.
	She does.
	Her latest commentary on what the Bishop of San Francisco has said about Nancy Pelosi.
	You want to hear it.
	But the most important part of the show is you, the listeners, so we're going to take your calls.
	But first, it is breaking all records.
	I never thought a documentary I'm in, a documentary I've a vested interest in financially, would be open in 415 cinemas last weekend.
	That's Dinesh D'Souza's 2000 Mules.
	Not just a million downloads and 100,000 DVDs mailed out.
	More than 400 theaters.
	If you haven't seen it, go to see it.
	Go to SalemNow.com, stream it, order the DVD.
	It's produced by us, by Salem Media.
	It is the evidence of the biggest heist in American history.
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	We will have an impact on the election because we have the evidence.
	Okay, let's go to Brian in Sacramento.
	Brian, welcome to America First.
	My girlfriend and I saw 2,000 Mules in the theaters.
	It's absolutely enlightening.
	It's eye-opener.
	And not to mention the beginning of it, I saw my heroes, you, Larry Elder, Charlie Kirk, and the rest of the team.
	It's an absolute sea.
	I was very involved with my girlfriend in promoting President Trump.
	In spite of all these attacks on him, he loves this country, and as you and I do, and you've done quite a bit, you have done quite a bit to enlighten people and make him aware.
	This movie is a must-see for everybody.
	Explain, Brian, to those who haven't seen it, why 2000 Mules was such an eye-opener for you.
	Well, I'm an engineer.
	I love technology, and what was used was technology to bring it in and to show as evidence Which they use the same technology to actually find a killer of an eight-year-old girl, I think.
	Yeah.
	Where they narrowed down the two cell phones of the people, gentlemen, the two killers, the accused killers that they caught.
	So they use technology to show how these mules are hired to go from the stash houses and just stuff the ballots.
	And it was combined with a video.
	It's a must-see to enlighten you.
	I have to congratulate you.
	I have to congratulate you.
	I've been trying to think of a good phrase for those NGOs where the ballots were harvested too before the mules pick them up for dissemination in the drop boxes.
	You just called them stash houses.
	That is genius.
	That is ballot stash houses.
	Stay on the line, Brian.
	Let's give Brian a copy of why we fight for that superb, superb comment.
	David, California, welcome to America First!
	Oh, thanks for taking my call, Sebastian.
	I have three things I'd like to say.
	First of all, Biden said again, trying to give away our sovereignty with the WHO.
	And if that isn't bad enough, this guy, I mean, I can't even believe it.
	And I don't think the monkeypox is going to kill everybody.
	But what I'm really afraid of, here comes his desire to give away our sovereignty.
	Here comes his monkeypox.
	And They'll explode it into a fair campaign so they can get more mail-in ballots.
	And the last thing I'd like to say, maybe you can really help me.
	I get these mail-outs all the time to my home about give money to the Republican Party.
	Who is, and I keep hearing these phrases, who is the new Republican Party?
	I refuse to give money to the, I won't do it because I want it to be designated to like Ron DeSantis or individuals.
	I don't want to do a party because I don't know where it'll go.
	Good.
	No, that's a great question.
	It's one of the most frequent questions we get.
	Do this.
	So either you can go to every candidate has a web page and you can donate to them whether it's somebody who's in a race You can look them up and go to their webpage.
	Or, if you believe in MAGA, if you believe in America First, then you go, of course, to the Save America PAC, which is President Trump's PAC.
	So, Save America, or Individual Candidates, and then you will be ensuring that the people who did nothing, NOTHING, to stop election fraud last time, the RNC and the GOP, who actually Garnered 200 million dollars after the fact to try and clean up the elections but did nothing with it as Rudy Giuliani's being hammered, is being attacked, is having his law license revoked that they don't get a penny.
	So great, great question.
	More of your calls momentarily here on America First.
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	you can walk the lines - Alright.
	Give me five.
	Are you willing to get involved militarily to defend Taiwan?
	Line five.
	Hello?
	Who's this?
	Carlos from Carson.
	Hello?
	Yes, hello.
	A couple of quick statements.
	Am I on the air?
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, a couple of quick statements.
	I believe the recent spate of massive killings are driven by the deep state designed to create racial polarizations and massive psychosis.
	What is your proof of that?
	My proof is that three of these massive killings will occur within a week.
	That just doesn't happen.
	What's that got to do with China?
	What's your proof?
	What's your proof?
	China's part of the deep state!
	What's your proof?
	What's your proof that they're connected?
	What's my proof?
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, China is, uh, all the rhetoric about going to war... No, no, you're not listening to me.
	What is your proof that the shootings are connected to China?
	My proof?
	Well, look, they came out spinning it as a hate crime.
	Of course they did.
	What's that got to do with China?
	Carlos, what's that got to do with China?
	Well, it's all part of the massive psychosis that's been created.
	Look, we got... And Sussman is on the line.
	Alright.
	John, how you doing?
	Hey there.
	I am well.
	How are you?
	Good, good, good.
	Pretty good news day for a Monday.
	Yeah, where do you want to go?
	Probably Sussman.
	What else are you working on?
	So there's an amazing document that a lot of people aren't paying attention to, but it got released today.
	When the FBI opened up the Alpha Bank portion of Crossfire Hurricane, they falsely claimed it came from the Justice Department when it came from an ex-Justice Department.
	So think of this.
	Remember 15 years ago this month, everyone was aflame because Judy Miller had called Scooter Libby a former congressional aide, which was very disingenuous.
	Saying Michael Sussman was the Justice Department was just as disingenuous, but I doubt the media will cover that today.
	But if this is such a righteous investigation, why do people have to keep lying?
	That's where I'll go with it.
	That's where I want to go with it.
	All right.
	Love it.
	All right.
	Crossfire Hurricane.
	Let's go there.
	Are we coming in with anything?
	Nope.
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	A legend.
	A legal immigrant.
	Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
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	Now, I don't usually go to justinews.com and John Solomon for this kind of news, because I want news about the deep state and corruption, but At the top of John Solomon's feed, wow, bear attacks Wisconsin couple in their home.
	You've got to read this story.
	They tried to shoo the bear away from their bird feeder.
	It ran through the glass plate window into the kitchen and they had to attack it with kitchen knives before the husband found a gun and shot it.
	Wow, guys, the Second Amendment, it's not just about muggers and protecting yourself from criminals.
	You might want to have one for Wildlife's Challenges.
	He's with us right now, John Solomon.
	Welcome to America First.
	Good to be with you.
	Yeah, who would have thought a bear would come crashing through a window?
	But that's a real story and a scary one.
	This poor family was bitten badly before they could get their gun and save themselves.
	So what up?
	I hear from wildlife people, this is becoming more common.
	Deer and bear smashing through and coming into houses, becoming more aggressive.
	Amazing story.
	Yeah, kitchen knife may not cut it, guys, so 12-gauge slugs, that's what you want to afford.
	That works better.
	All right, you've got some fascinating news about Crossfire Hurricane, the FBI, but the trial of Sarsen is going on right now.
	We had Margo Cleveland on earlier, who's been watching the trial, saying, it's weird, John.
	This individual, who's the special counsel, John Durham, he works for the DOJ.
	He's a government prosecutor, investigator.
	But the people he's putting on the stand, like, you know, Baker and Priestap, who are government or former government, they're not being very helpful.
	They're being very tight-lipped.
	Why would they not be assisting their colleague, John?
	That's a great question.
	Yeah, today's witnesses were not very strong, to be honest with you, for the Durham, even though the evidence that they were asked about was very strong.
	So, some days, witnesses give you the bombshell.
	That happened on Friday, when Robbie Mook, a defense witness taken out of order, said, oh yeah, Hillary Clinton approved giving the whole Alpha Bank-Russia collusion thing to the media, even though we weren't sure it was true.
	That's a bombshell testimony.
	That came last Friday.
	Today, the more important thing that happened wasn't in the form of testimony, it was in a document that John Durham slipped into the transcripts and into the exhibits today.
	It's the FBI electronic communication that opened up the Alpha Bank portion of what is known as Crossfire Hurricane.
	So, each aspect... Sorry, I got interrupted because there's so much stuff to keep track of.
	It is, it's tricky.
	Will you explain Crossfire Hurricane and who was targeted by Crossfire Hurricane?
	So Crossfire Hurricane was the umbrella investigation of all things Russia and Trump, and it included Michael Flynn, it included Paul Manafort, it included the Trump campaign, it included Carter Page, and then there was a subset of it that was called Alpha Bank that had to do with this crazy allegation that Donald Trump had a secret computer phone to the Kremlin that went through this bank.
	If you were trying to hide it, you wouldn't make it publicly through a bank.
	But anyways, it got dismissed very quickly, but they opened up an investigation.
	And what we learned today is that the FBI agents Even though they knew it came from Michael Sussman, a former DOJ official, by the way, hadn't been there in years, they claimed in their electronic communication that they opened it up on, that it came as a referral directly from the Justice Department.
	That is false.
	And it raises a question, because this is a pattern we've seen now.
	The FBI, Hillary Clinton, Michael Sussman, All lying to keep this investigation going.
	My question now for the jury, for the American people, is if this was such a righteous thing, which is what Hillary Clinton and her gang claims this was, a righteous effort to get something checked out, why were people constantly lying about something so righteous?
	Hillary Clinton can't tell the Federal Election Commission she's actually paying her lawyers for opposition research.
	She disguises it as legal bills.
	That's false.
	There's an FBI agent that doctors a document saying, oh, we know Carter Page is a CIA asset, but we're not going to tell you that.
	We're going to pretend he's not.
	He doctors a document.
	Now we have an FBI agent opening up a portion of the investigation, knowing it's coming from a DNC-Clinton campaign-connected lawyer.
	And he lies about it and says, oh no, this came directly from the Justice Department.
	People lied constantly to get this going.
	And it fits the lie that Michael Sussman lied, right?
	Because Michael Sussman came in and said, I'm here as a good citizen to give you this Trump dirt when in fact he was here on behalf of the Clinton campaign and a computer executive supporting the Clinton campaign.
	Five lies to sustain one investigation.
	The reason they were lying?
	They knew what they were doing wasn't righteous.
	Right, and they knew that it was actually political.
	He's the author of Fallout, Nuclear Bribes, Russian Spies, and The Washington Lies that Enriched the Clinton and Biden Dynasties.
	He is the founder.
	He's the editor-in-chief of justthenews.com.
	His Twitter feed is JaySolomonReports.
	I have to ask, with regards to that Friday bombshell, John, How do you read, because you have so much experience in the field, how do you read this incredibly senior campaign official, Mook, ostensibly under oath, throwing Hillary under the bus when it came to the smear campaign against President Trump?
	It can't have been an accident.
	What's your take on it?
	Well, I think he had an answer, honestly.
	And the truth of the matter is there was no other answer than that to give, because if you look at the evidence that's now out there, the day that the Alfa Bank garbage came out in the media, on or around October 31st, 2016, Hillary Clinton put out the first tweet saying, oh my God, look, there's proof of Hillary.
	It was her proof.
	But she pretends it's independent proof by the media, and then Jake Sullivan immediately comes out and puts the statement out, saying, this proves what we've been saying.
	Actually, it was their own dirty trick.
	Again, being dishonest again.
	But given that scenario, Robbie Mook knew that Hillary Clinton was out there, and the only answer was he had to tell the truth, or they'd come back and say, well, if Hillary didn't approve it, why didn't you put the statement out?
	So he was boxed in.
	I think it was a tremendous strategic error by the defense to put Robbie Mook on if they knew that answer was possible, and anyone who's filed the case knew that was the likely answer.
	It really blew up in their face.
	It was a big day for Durham.
	That one scored a lot of points for the Durham prosecution team.
	And please, just remind everybody who Jake Sullivan is now.
	Yeah, he failed up.
	He's now the national security advisor for this president.
	This is a guy that has a lot of questions about his own testimony in the Russian collusion case.
	He was the senior national security advisor for Hillary Clinton's campaign.
	Before that, the architect of the Iran nuclear deal that is so widely panned today.
	He's a man who hasn't done a lot accomplished, but keeps moving up in the ranks.
	Now he's the number one national security advisor to our current president, Joe Biden.
	The swamp is deep.
	The swamp is wide.
	Keep doing what you do.
	Thank you, John.
	Follow him.
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	And this is a more significant propaganda lie than even the fascist pharma's genocide jabs and the Biden election landslide.
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	What have your health advisors told you your level of concern should be about monkeypox and the cases that are in the United States and around the world?
	Well, they haven't told me the level of exposure yet, but it is something that everybody should be concerned about.
	We're working on it hard to figure out what we do and what vaccine, if any, may be available for it.
	But it is a concern in the sense that if it were to spread, it's consequential.
	That's all they've told me.
	That's quite stunning.
	Allegedly that man is the President of the United States.
	He didn't know the level of exposure and he didn't know what we could do about it in terms of vaccine.
	I spent maybe four minutes on something called the Internet prior to going on an interview for British television and I found out there is no vaccine for monkeypox and the level of exposure is two people in America and the last time this scary thing landed on our shores from Africa In 2003, no one died.
	He's the president.
	I'm just a former assistant, deputy assistant to the president, who runs a national radio show.
	Maybe somebody else should be running the country.
	This is America First, I'm Sebastian Gorka, and this is the Salem News Channel.
	Delighted to have in studio none other than, well, let's just say he doesn't like the swamp.
	What does he?
	Because as a former seal, you've got to be pretty at home in aquatic environments, Eric Guyton.
	You've got to be ready to fight in the swamp.
	You've got to be ready to fight in the swamp, Dr. Gorka.
	Former governor of Missouri, now he's running for the U.S.
	Senate.
	We're going to talk about this interesting new campaign you have, Traveling the Nation.
	You're in the swamp right now.
	I'd need to get your take as somebody who is avowedly America First, avowedly MAGA.
	It's been a very heavy week or two of primaries, of local elections.
	How do you measure, if you had to do a snapshot, the balance of forces, the current battlefield, how do you look at MAGA, Vice, RINOs and Conservatives versus the crazy left?
	Where are we?
	Yeah, balance of forces when you pull back.
	We're at a very interesting time in the country, where all of the people, all of your listeners, are America first.
	And yet, and yet, you still have a legacy elected officer class of rhinos, and you have a donor class So you have this great division within the Republican Party.
	When we're in Missouri, we're on our No Mo' Rhinos tour, and people come up to me because I was, as you know, the first guy in the country to say, when I'm elected to the U.S.
	Senate, I'm voting against Mitch McConnell because we need new America First leadership in the Senate.
	And what's very interesting is that very patriotic, conservative people across the state of Missouri come up to me and they say, I guess I'm a Republican.
	But they're a Republican because they know that the left is absolutely crazy.
	They know that they're not a Democrat.
	But look at what the RINOs do.
	They watch how the RINOs stab the president in the back on election integrity.
	They watch how they failed to fund Trump's border wall when he was in office.
	They watch how rhinos support Joe Biden's $1.2 trillion Green New Deal.
	They watch how the rhinos fail to investigate Hillary Clinton's roots in the Trump-Russia collusion hoax.
	They watch time after time as rhinos cave to or even aid and abet the left, and they say to themselves, I don't want to be part of the rhino class.
	So I think that what's happening is that you've got a big surge of America First candidates who are coming up this cycle.
	My hope is that when we look back 10, 20 years from now, that what happens is not just that Republicans pick up a lot of seats.
	We did that in 1994.
	We did that in 2010.
	But that what you see is that the right kinds of Republicans pick up the seats.
	We need to have America First winners.
	You said something very interesting that hasn't been expressed like that before.
	You talked about the rhino class of politicians and then you said the rhino class of donors.
	Now let's look at this because without money you can't win elections and this may be the biggest problem because you have rhinos because you have People supporting them who want them to behave like that.
	We've got a handful of people.
	Matt Gaetz was the first.
	I think Marjorie Taylor Greene joined him in the house.
	Who refused to take PAC money.
	Just individual donations.
	Your campaign is doing very well apparently.
	Do you have any plans?
	What are you doing?
	And what plans do we have to break the stranglehold of the rhino donor class who can pretty much pick and choose their candidates?
	Such a good question.
	So here's what we're doing.
	First, we're dominating among small-dollar donors.
	So we have tens of thousands of small-dollar donors, and here's what's also good about that.
	When somebody sends in a $5 check, it's not only $5, which can help the campaign, help us to buy a yard sign, but it also means they're in.
	It means they're invested.
	And we're dominating among those small dollar donors.
	And people are saying, we're going to do our part to counter that rhino class, that country club class of people who've always written the checks and kind of controlled where politics goes.
	The second thing that's very important about this historical moment is that in the past, all of that money was used to buy TV and radio ads.
	On the mainstream media!
	They were sending all of those Republican dollars, were going to ABC, CBS, NBC.
	And now what's happened is that again, you talk to voters around the state of Missouri, they don't believe what the mainstream media is pitching.
	They're getting their news, listening to your radio show.
	They're getting their news, checking in Revolver News.
	They're looking at just the news.
	They're going out to other sites.
	And so, the good news is, for us, I also believe that that big RINO class money is going to be far less effective this cycle.
	Because if their political consultants are directing them to spend it in the ways they've always spent it before, on lots of big TV ads, I don't think that they're going to get their bang for their buck.
	All right, so you're going on a big tour.
	It's called, what's the name of your tour?
	The No Mo' Rhinos Tour.
	Mo' for Missouri, obviously, so yes.
	The No Mo' Rhinos Tour.
	I love the name.
	By the way, it's ericgritens.com is the website, ericgritens.com and on Twitter, at ericgritens.
	Talk to us about So, as with, I think, you know, it is a simplification, but it's pretty solid that all elections are won in the center.
	Every party has its base, has its tribe, the people who will always vote for that particular party.
	But you win it by, you know, there's shocking figures that there are between 20 and 28 percent of the electorate decide who to vote for in the last eight days before an election.
	Which is, like, stunning!
	In the last eight days.
	So what is your message 15-16 months into this administration as you're traveling the state?
	What is your message to those people who don't particularly see themselves as political but realize there's a problem?
	They also may have a stigma that they associate with our party that the left is stuck on it as being whatever the uncaring party The party of January 6th or what have you.
	What frequency are you communicating on and what is the data packet you're giving to those people to bring them over to your campaign and our side?
	Yes, sir.
	Three key points.
	Number one, we recognize the country's in crisis.
	Everybody knows it.
	You're in an auto body shop in southeast Missouri and they saw the disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal.
	If you're talking to people in a supermarket in Springfield, Missouri, they know what happened with COVID tyranny.
	They've seen how RINOs stabbed the president in the back on election integrity.
	So the good news is, again, in the past, people thought you had to, well, educate people about what's happening politically.
	Everybody knows.
	So, what we say is, the left is actively trying to destroy the country.
	RINOs are aiding and abetting them.
	And what I've been saying to people is, if you're on the sidelines, you're on the wrong side.
	This is a time for courage.
	People need to stand up and get involved.
	They will only take the country if we let them, and we're not going to let them.
	So we let them know courage is contagious.
	And then, relatedly, we let them know courage is fundamentally, you think of the etymological root of it, it's rooted in love.
	The idea of courage comes, you're willing to stand up against the tyranny of the left, against their bullying, against their campaign of fear, because we love our country, because we love our community, because we love our neighbors.
	We recognize our country's not perfect, our communities aren't perfect, but because we love, we're willing to stand up and to fight.
	And so the message to people across the state of Missouri and to the supporters we have around the country is, If you love the country, stand with me.
	Stand up with me, join us in this fight, and let's together take our country back, because there are only two choices before us.
	It is surrender to leftist tyranny, or the true revival of our republic, and I'm here for the revival.
	I love it.
	What a great, great message.
	EricGrytons.com, EricGrytons.com.
	Dear friends, let me take a moment to tell you about an inspiring gospel-centered program that is transforming lives every day in our nation's prisons.
	It's called the Prison Fellowship Academy and its mission is to create and maintain a prison environment that fosters respect for God's law, the rights of others, and to encourage the spiritual and moral regeneration of Tom Stafford is the Program Manager for Prison Fellowship Academy at Goose Creek Correctional Facility in Wasilla, Alaska and he's seeing God's work every single day.
	The goal of the program is to produce good citizens, people that are going to be in our communities.
	We know that at least here in Alaska, 95% of everyone incarcerated today will eventually be released, and they're coming back to our communities.
	They'll be our neighbors.
	They'll be our co-workers.
	So the question is, what do we want to do to see people come back into our communities with a pro-social attitude?
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	All right.
	Thank you, buddy.
	Well, we want it to come out before the climate.
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	Hello?
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	The goal of the program is to produce good citizens, people that are going to be in our communities.
	We know that at least here in Alaska, 95% of everyone incarcerated today will eventually be released, and they're coming back to our communities.
	They'll be our neighbors, they'll be our co-workers.
	So the question is, what do we want to do to see people come back into our communities with a pro-social attitude, ready to be a part of the community and be a productive part?
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	Oh my gosh, how many guests is that?
	This is I think the fourth guest of the day.
	He is a trooper par excellence when it comes to fighting The Deep State.
	He is former Chief of Staff at the Pentagon, former investigator for the Intelligence Committee of the House.
	Kash Patel, welcome back to America First.
	Zeb, thanks so much.
	The studio is looking better and better and better.
	Love it.
	Thank you kindly.
	We've got to talk about this new, very different initiative that you have become involved with, a new publication.
	But first, because we've been discussing it already with Margot Cleveland, John Solomon today, the Sussman trial continues.
	And it seems very strange that your former colleagues, you're also a former DOJ prosecutor, your former colleagues Taking the stand, being asked very important questions by this independent counsel.
	They're not being very talkative or helpful for John Durham.
	Why is that, Kash Patel?
	It's amazing!
	Some of these people, and actually all of them, I worked with at the Department of Justice.
	I know them personally from my time as a national security prosecutor.
	These are some of the most intellectually smart, advanced people I've ever met.
	And all of a sudden, it's, I don't know, I can't remember.
	I'm not really too sure about that.
	This is what happens when you politicize the national security apparatus.
	These people were supposed to take their oaths of office seriously, especially when called upon to testify in a federal prosecution Should not be allowed to get away with this nonsense.
	But to me, it just shows the jury and the world that they were all in on it.
	They don't want to get in any trouble.
	They're being forced to testify.
	So they're just going to go up there and do their song and dance and get out of the way.
	But it doesn't look good in front of a jury.
	I've tried 60 cases in front of juries.
	And when you do something like that, it does not bode well for the defense.
	Yeah, when you're very tight-lipped and you're a former government official of senior rank and you don't want to help a government prosecutor, it's not a good look.
	It's not a good look, Baker.
	It's not a good look, Bill Priestap.
	There is something you are clearly hiding.
	You are now under Twitter.
	I've looked for your name.
	I can't find you, but I've got Cash's Corner.
	That is your new column, your new contribution to Epoch Times.
	Follow Cash's Corner on Twitter.
	You're also on Truth Social at what?
	At Cash?
	Yeah, I'm only on Truth Social.
	The other accounts are not me.
	That's my show's account over there, but I'm at Cash on Truth Social and Cash's Corner on Epoch Times.
	Love it.
	And also, my account is nuts.
	My Truth Social account, it's like, I can't keep up.
	Every day it's another thousand, another two thousand follies.
	It's growing like crazy.
	Guys, you've got to have a Truth Social account.
	It's also fightwithcash.com.
	But you've got another venture.
	Tell us about your latest venture, Mr. Patel.
	Well, Seb, I thought after running the Russiagate investigation for Chairman Nunes, why should that story belong to only adults?
	Why shouldn't the biggest criminal enterprise ever perpetuated in modern American history be taught to our youth?
	Why shouldn't they know about the importance of the truth?
	So we wrote the first and only Russiagate children's book.
	It's called The Plot Against the King and you can get it at theplotagainsttheking.com.
	Why not have the story about the Maga King who took on Hillary Queenton and Keeper Comey and guys like Devin Nunes who took out a Shifty Knight and a wizard named Cash who go on a quest for the truth.
	The illustrations are brilliant.
	The story is fun.
	Adults who don't know Russiagate can talk about it and teach their children the importance of the truth and serving in government with honor and distinction, not like some of those folks, because they're going to be our bench in the future, and they need to know what happened today.
	And Americans need to educate themselves on, we can't listen to the media, or as we call them, the heralds in the plot against the king.
	You have to go out and find the truth.
	So it's a fun read.
	Everybody's going to have a blast.
	Get your copy of theplotagainsttheking.com today.
	Okay, so I want to know why my publisher, I've written three books already, why my publisher didn't say I could have a fantasy storybook in which I am the wizard.
	You made yourself the wizard, am I right?
	Well, that was the brilliant team at Brave Books.
	I was like, I don't know that anyone's going to buy this one.
	But they were like, nope, that's what we're going with.
	They write children's books.
	So the guys at Brave Books and my publishers, Erica over at Knight Agency, crushed it on that one.
	I didn't think it was going to take step.
	All right we need to put that that book cover up put it back on the screen okay it's not the plot against the president that's an amazing movie starring Kash Patel by our friend Amanda Milius who's swanning it up on the French Riviera as we speak at the Cannes no she is I was texting her today she's at the Cannes she's at the Cannes Film Festival some people have all the luck right put it back I want to see that cover it's such a cool cover I want to see where There he is!
	Look, there's Cash!
	He's got a Gandalfian staff as well, a nice pointy wizard's hat, and there is the plot again.
	I gotta know, when on earth did you do this?
	Because did you have some really cool intel that... You can drop it now, Eric.
	That the old senile guy in the White House, after six months and millions of dollars, was going to come up with UltraMAGA as the worst insult in history and then talk, use this phrase, the King of MAGA for President Trump.
	Did you guys know?
	Did you plant that?
	Did you like MKUltraMindControl?
	I need to know.
	It was a Russian disinformation campaign against the Dems and now it's our turn.
	Facebook ads!
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	It cost us $12.
	That's fabulous.
	What a great idea.
	But seriously, look, you've been fighting in the real world, in the courtrooms, in Congress, DOD, but this is how we win the long war, isn't it?
	It's by, you know, inserting the truth back into culture.
	100%.
	It's not just culture.
	Yes, it's our kids, that's why we wrote the plot against the king, but it's correcting and destroying the fake news media.
	They have to be called out for their lies on Russiagate, on Ukraine impeachment fiasco, on Afghanistan, on everything that they said about Donald Trump that was fake, and they knew it was fake, and they have to be called out on it.
	It's nice to have, you know, The mainstream media outlets slowly starting to come around on Russiagate now that Robby Mookin has forced their hand with his brilliant testimony basically where he says Hillary Clinton was orchestrating, authorized, paid for, and knew about the entire Russiagate hoax.
	I mean it can't get more damning than that if your number two officer or lieutenant kicks you out.
	But I think it will.
	It's the plot against theking.com.
	A nice compendium.
	A matching, matching compendium to the plot against the President movie.
	It's fightwithcash.com.
	It's cash with a K on Truth Social.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	Your calls next here on America First.
	wherever you are, whatever you're doing, don't you dare touch that dial.
	All right.
	All right.
	Oh.
	All right.
	Yeah, that's fine, if you can get them done then.
	Do the Patriot Mobile first, and the Prison Fellowship one second.
	They're the ones I need tomorrow.
	The other two can wait.
	if you don't have time you're going
	to have time to go to the next one.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Or actually, no.
	Give me a tracking on four.
	Can you see the MAGA hat?
	Okay, you can just about see the MAGA hat.
	Okay, cool.
	Nice.
	Good.
	All right, excellent.
	Thanks.
	I'm probably going to use...
	Five and six at some point, but I'm gonna go to cause.
	Okay.
	I'm going to do Israel first.
	I'm going to do Israel first.
	Allen in Alabama.
	Welcome, Alan.
	A lot of people don't realize some of the most informed people in the world are truck drivers because that's what we do.
	Of course!
	Exactly.
	Sebastian Gorka comes from the inside.
	He knows what he's talking about.
	He's worked for the president.
	He's worked for all these organizations with the military.
	You can believe what he says.
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	John South Carolina wants to comment on Governor Greitens' interview.
	John, welcome.
	I accidentally touched the dial and I can't move my left hand now, Dr. G. Good!
	Good!
	You warned us not to.
	What should I do now?
	Take some monkeypox vaccine that doesn't exist.
	There is no vaccine.
	We know that.
	Hey, let me cut to the chase here.
	Basically, when you're talking about inserting truth back into the culture, one of the things we need to do is to reach people that talk radio doesn't reach and get them on talk radio.
	We've got to do that.
	Truck drivers, Eric Greiten and Cash Patel, all have a bit of the answer there, and it could also hook into Truth Social and Salem Media.
	And basically the suggestion is that you guys form a consortium and you purchase basically road signs, you know, programmable road signs where you can plant all sorts of suggestions into people's minds as they're driving past.
	And just hook them into your program, Dennis Frager... Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	I love that you jumped on this phrase because as soon as it popped up in our conversation with Cash, Over that children's book I realized we've got something here this inserting truth back into the culture, but I'm not being facetious or anything, but do you think You think billboards work today in an age of, you know, TikTok and social media?
	Is that a good place to start?
	Absolutely.
	That's what beat Larry Elder.
	And Larry Elder will tell you that.
	I've actually heard him say that.
	I mean, he said that and he said that they just bombarded him with, you know, people have to drive.
	And there's also the subliminal suggestion of just the suggestion, you know, people wonder, And you can make all, and it just, you know, you can promote Truth Social.
	You can promote your program.
	You can promote Salem Media.
	I mean, any number.
	You can promote John Solomon, and it can be programmable.
	I mean, it rotates.
	I have to say that, who was it?
	The Pennsylvania businessman who bought all of those billboards with Biden in a Taliban, you know, outfit and you're talking about how, you know, he helped fund the Taliban.
	That was news for weeks and weeks and weeks.
	So you may be onto something, John.
	Just let it soak in and let it soak in with President Trump.
	It's an idea and you know that I'm an idea generator.
	You are.
	And I'll get back the use of my left hand somehow.
	Well, we'll talk to somebody about making you some.
	We'll get Wizard Kash Patel to make you some magic monkeypox vaccine that'll help you.
	But in the future, don't touch that dial, John.
	Let's go to Brooklyn.
	Judy's back.
	What happened to you, Judy?
	You fell off.
	I was going in and out of a tunnel, and again in and out of a tunnel, and I lost.
	I was hanging.
	It was so frustrating.
	Oh, my God.
	Anyway, finally got home, so I think let me call.
	Thank you so much.
	First of all, I am an ultra-ultra-mega-ite.
	That means I'm an ultra-ultra-make-America-god-loving-again.
	I like it.
	I like it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	And also, let me ask you a question.
	I mean, her husband, I put him in the basket of diabolicals.
	That's my thing.
	Okay?
	Her husband?
	Who are we talking about?
	Yeah, I'm telling you.
	Well, her husband is Conway, but Kellyanne Conway is coming out with a book.
	Could you please tell me, please tell me all about her?
	Is she good?
	Is she on the good side?
	What?
	She's awful.
	She's really awful.
	She's not like a psycho like her husband, George Conway.
	He was just like, TDS patient number zero.
	But she was a woman... He's diabolical!
	But in the White House, she was doing all kinds of nasty stuff behind the scenes, leaking to people in the mainstream media, trying to hurt other people in the administration.
	So, Kellyanne Conway... Dr. Gorka!
	No, I'm talking!
	You asked my opinion!
	No, no, Dr. Gorka, I just heard her interviewed.
	She denies all of it.
	Yeah, well, I was there.
	And she's putting the blame on Kushner.
	Garbage.
	I was there.
	She was so plugged into the fake media.
	It's not true.
	Kellyanne, come on this show and defend the actions I know you took inside the building when I was there.
	Great question.
	Thank you, Judy.
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	Okay, Mike's on two and a half minutes.
	are Are our comms up, Jeff?
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay.
	Oh, I think that's all the titles, I think, for... Yeah, we got all the titles.
	Awesome.
	Oh, is Seb's mic on?
	Yep.
	Oh, okay.
	There we go.
	There we go, thank you.
	That's commando for your phone case, right Seb?
	Yeah, Commando.
	Commando, yeah.
	Guy was asking.
	But you see how, like, the three lenses on the back of the phone are arranged like the barrel of the rocket launcher?
	That is genuinely amazing.
	So good.
	I was thinking, too, Seth, we mentioned when that caller a while ago referred to Biden as Resident Biden, and we said we should do some, like, Resident Evil-style t-shirts.
	Have we played Whoopi Goldberg yet?
	I'm thinking something similar like the cover of the Resident Evil 3 game in particular has the main monster, the game lurking at the top of the screen, like in the background, and the heroes below it with their guns.
	And I'm thinking, I'm sure you know that one photoshopped image of Trump on Schwarzenegger's body.
	Yes.
	We could use that image of Trump below the image of Biden looking for monster life.
	Have we played Whoopi Goldberg yet?
	No, I'm doing it.
	We teased it like an hour ago.
	I know.
	Yeah.
	You want to come in with that?
	No, I've teed up.
	All right.
	Apparently, the rumble chat today is a lot of focus I'm seeing that apparently Jack Posobiec got arrested in Davos or something?
	He got detained, yeah, because he was filming.
	Detained by sitting on a public table with not in handcuffs, standing up, walking around.
	I know, I know.
	It was, uh, slightly, uh, it's typical, Jack.
	Yeah.
	Alright, get ready.
	Well, you know he's single-handedly is the reason we don't have the disinformation of truth.
	I saw that!
	Did you see his thank you video?
	I know everyone's crediting me.
	I just told the truth.
	You know, it wasn't that bad.
	Oh, that's great.
	That's great.
	All right, 30 seconds. All right,
	30 30 seconds.
	All right.
	Class is now in session.
	In the Court of Political Incorrectness, the Honorable Dr. Gorka is now presiding.
	Lock and load!
	Let's get this party started!
	Hey Jeff, I think that's one of my favorites, that Judy liner.
	How about you?
	I like that one.
	I think, however, I don't want to be the honorable Dr. Gorka.
	I'd like to be the notorious or the infamous.
	What do you think?
	Is that because the politicians are referred to as the honorable?
	Yes, yes.
	I figured that.
	I don't like the honorable since then either.
	All right.
	So, Judy, we're going to re-record that next time, but we love it.
	Thank you, Judy, for that superb line.
	I love Jeff pulling up those lines.
	There's a guy, a German, who's on Twitter, who probably shouldn't be.
	His name is Sidney W and he's got a German flag, an American flag, and a Ukrainian flag on his Twitter account.
	I can't tell you anything more about him because he blocked me after I engaged him because a friend of mine, an amazing guy, you know who you are, Joel, he responded to Mr. Winston thusly.
	Mr. Winston says, as a German, I don't know why Americans like guns so much!
	Joel Fisher, my friend, responded, As a Jew, I do.
	Yeah, Mr. Watson, maybe you shouldn't be commenting on self-defense and guns as a German.
	Alright, dear friends.
	Gotta get to your calls.
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	Oh, Geoff reminded me.
	I've been teasing something for over an hour and I hate that when other hosts do it.
	So, just when you thought Whoopi Goldberg couldn't be more of a cretin, more of a clinical imbecile than she already was, She must know absolutely nothing.
	I know she doesn't believe in God, but she must know absolutely nothing about the oldest Christian faith on the planet, which happens to be my church, the Catholic Church, founded by the Apostles, by Saint Peter, because this is her reaction to the Archbishop of San Francisco saying that Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden cannot receive communion because they are pro-abortion.
	Play cut 11.
	The abortion rights battle is starting to blur the lines between church and state.
	The Archbishop of San Francisco is calling for Speaker Nancy Pelosi to be denied receiving communion because of her pro-choice stance.
	He's one of the priests who also called for President Biden to be denied sacrament.
	This is not your job, dude!
	That is not, you can't, that is not up to you to make that decision.
	Who's it up to, you cretin?
	The view?
	Is it up to the view?
	Actually, it's up to the Catholic Church.
	It is up to the bishops or the archbishops who outrank the bishops.
	It's even up to the local priest.
	If a local priest knows that you are pro-abortion, that you are facilitating the culture of death and the genocide of the unborn, it is their duty to not provide you Holy Communion.
	What a moron brings up the separation of church and state.
	Does she have any idea what that means?
	It means there should be no state religion in America and that the state can't punish you if you're a member of the quote wrong religion.
	It doesn't tell the churches what they can or cannot do God, these people are so stupid, unlike our listeners who are superb.
	Let's go to Sandy, California, line four.
	Hi, Sebastian.
	Thank you for taking my call.
	You're welcome.
	I was just wondering, with all of the overwhelming evidence on the election fraud, do you think the Supreme Court will ever hear that case?
	Well, which case are you talking about?
	Well, you know, Mike Lindell worked really hard and tried to take it to the Supreme Court and I don't know what the reason was why they wouldn't hear it.
	No, hang on, hang on, hang on.
	The only case that was taken to the Supreme Court was the one brought by Texas and 16 other states.
	That wasn't heard because the Chief Justice is a coward.
	So do I think that The court is going to hear another case that rises to their level.
	I doubt it because, you know, the Chief Justice showed himself to be without a spine when Texas, Texas, with 16 other states, brought a case.
	So, I doubt it.
	I think, my friend, I think, Sandy, this is going to have to be fought at local jurisdictions.
	Wow.
	Also, Seb, what do you think about the Convention of States?
	Is that a good thing?
	Look, in principle, it is an incredibly powerful tool, and I'm very leery of questioning anything that is championed so wholeheartedly by amazing, great minds such as Mark Levin.
	I just, I have an issue with getting, you know, two-thirds of the states, or whatever the magic number is, to try to come together For any period of time whereby they could do something effective to change the policies of the crazy leftists.
	So, look, God bless everybody who's trying to move something in that direction.
	I think we've got, what, 16, 17 or maybe even more states that want to hold a convention.
	We shouldn't not try to do that.
	But in the meantime, elections are being stolen right now, as 2000 Mules tells you.
	We have Two million illegal immigrants crossing the border in just 15 months.
	We have wars in Europe.
	We have the surrender in Afghanistan.
	We have the highest inflation for 40 years.
	We have, you know, lack of baby formula.
	I want to try and tackle those issues head on in ways that a congress, a convention of the states, I don't think he's able to do.
	But for longer-term things, absolutely.
	We have to be having a full-court press on all fronts.
	So, Sandy, thanks for two amazingly, amazingly deep questions.
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	I might use...
	Oh, no.
	What about the Barnett Stelter thing?
	Yeah, that's not time sensitive and that's a bit long.
	I'm probably going to use the two Biden cuts and then go to Joe.
	Actually, yeah.
	five and six uh-huh all righty and you'll tee them up yeah gotcha all right uh actually um yeah okay okay
	45 seconds
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	CNBC Just tweeted out this report.
	Americans now have an average of $9,000 less in their savings than they did last year.
	CNBC.
	What is going on?
	The worm has turned.
	Can you be surprised?
	This guy isn't satisfied with what he's doing in Ukraine.
	He wants to do it with regards to Taiwan.
	This is what he said about our brand new commitment to have the U.S.
	protect that nation.
	Cut five.
	Are you willing to get involved militarily to defend Taiwan if it comes to that?
	Yes.
	You are?
	That's a commitment we made.
	That's a commitment we made.
	We are not.
	Look, here's the situation.
	We agree with a one China policy.
	We signed onto it and all the attendant agreements made from there.
	But the idea that that could be taken by force, just taken by force is just not.
	It's just not appropriate to dislocate the entire region and be another action.
	Similar to what happened in Ukraine.
	And so it's a burden that is even stronger.
	He's actually saying that in theater.
	He's saying that in Japan.
	We have no treaty obligation to do that.
	But then Mr. Xi reminded me that he's done this before.
	During the campaign trail with the guy that looks like a grandmother.
	What's his name?
	Cooper.
	Anderson Cooper.
	He said the same thing in 2021.
	Cut six.
	So are you saying that the United States would come to Taiwan's defense if China attacked?
	Yes, we have a commitment to do that.
	Who's telling him this stuff?
	I mean, either that or he's just senile.
	Very quickly, Joe in Illinois, line 5.
	Dr. G, Don the Builder, the best boss this country has ever had, ran it like a well-oiled machine, drew in 74 million votes, including independents, democrats, and union members.
	The rhinos are crazy.
	This is a new party today.
	There's nothing crazy about the rhinos.
	There's another C word.
	They're craven.
	They're cowards.
	And this is another party, but it's up to us to finish the job President Trump started.
	We have to take it over.
	If you're not part of the GOP, you're part of the problem.
	It's our party now.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	Stay with us for one-on-one here on America First.
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	All right, Patriot Patriot Mobile first.
	All right.
	We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.
	Let me say it again.
	The 2020 election was the most secure election in American history.
	Let me begin by asking a very simple question.
	Do we know the truth about what really happened in the 2020 election?
	I think millions of Americans know something went wrong, and they have little pieces, and no one's really put it together.
	I'm agnostic on this question, and I am awaiting more information.
	If I believed the president were a Nazi, I might steal an election.
	Bold accusations require bold evidence, and they haven't seen it.
	We have been working on something big.
	Show me the money.
	Can we meet?
	I've been working with Greg Phillips.
	He has a deep background in election intelligence.
	True The Vote has the largest store of election intelligence for the 2020 elections in the world.
	No one has more data than we do.
	We identified in Atlanta 242 mules that went to an average of 24 drop boxes.
	But Philadelphia alone, we've identified more than 1,100 mules.
	What is a mule?
	A person picking up ballots and running them to the drop boxes.
	This is not grandma out walking her dog.
	Bad backgrounds, bad reputations.
	They are interested in one thing, that's money.
	And in no shape, in no way, in no time is that legal.
	This is organized crime.
	Do you have video evidence?
	Four million minutes of surveillance video around the country.
	What you're about to see is disturbing.
	So this is 1 o'clock in the morning.
	Don't we all vote at 1 o'clock in the morning?
	One night, this person, this mule, went across six counties to 27 different drop boxes.
	I call it the Mexican Mafia, seriously.
	Because they work like that.
	This is jaw-dropping.
	What you showed is frightening.
	It's just sickening to me.
	Now we come to the most important question of all.
	Was the magnitude of vote trafficking enough to tip the balance in the 2020 presidential election?
	It's not a leap to say this would have made a difference.
	They have ruined election day in the United States of America.
	That's provable.
	And that's enough for me to fight the left with every fiber in my body.
	Without free and fair elections, we are not a democracy.
	We are a criminal cartel masquerading as a democracy.
	2,000 Mules.
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	You got more questions, Val?
	I tell you, if you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black.
	Really?
	Is that identity politics at its highest or rather lowest level?
	That was on the campaign trail from the man who now allegedly wears the title, sadly, of Commander-in-Chief and Chief Executive.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	Let's delve a little bit deeper.
	This is America First one-on-one with a guest who My boss has said you gotta get him in studio on the show, and when Katie says that, we get him on the show.
	He is a contributor for The Blaze's Fearless with Jason Whitlock.
	Welcome in studio, Delano Squires.
	Thank you for having me.
	Can we start?
	You're an outspoken individual.
	Last time you were on remotely, we talked about an article you did in The Federalist.
	Let's just start with setting the scene.
	Where are Race relations in America today, and how would you see their evolution compared to ten years ago, five years ago?
	Better, worse, where are we at, and what are the key drivers, Delano?
	I feel like they're worse than they were 10 years ago, to be completely honest.
	I think, obviously, the election of the nation's first black president was a watershed moment that even many Republicans, conservatives, says this is a sign of progress for us as a nation.
	I mean, during the Obama presidency, there were issues that came up.
	Famously, you know, when the president said that the police in Boston Were stupid.
	Yeah, acted stupidly or foolishly arresting, you know, Professor Henry Louis Gates.
	That was an issue.
	His comments around Trayvon Martin were an issue for conservatives.
	And then, obviously, with the election of President Trump, that threw the question of race and racism, I mean, into overdrive.
	So then the left was saying that the things that the president, you know, said, whether it's about People from certain countries or about immigration and building a wall.
	Those things were racist.
	So I feel like we teeter back and forth and now at a time where you know, we should in theory be further down the road on race.
	I think it's even worse because one of the things that's happened is that this current president president Biden and left Racialized issues that previously had not been racialized.
	Two quick examples.
	One, abortion.
	Abortion was never framed as an issue to protect low income black women.
	But now every time you hear the president talk about it, it's about, well, if Roe was overturned, here are the communities that are going to suffer.
	And first up in line is always poor black women, women of color, um, That's a change.
	And the other one I would say is everything having to do with sort of LGBTQ issues, right?
	What used to be the gay rights movement and really was pushed forward by, you know, middle class, educated, economically stable white men is now about portions of the following program may contain pre-recorded material in our streets and so on and so forth so i think what what what the left does is what i've termed they practice a form of uh chocolate covered this is america first and here's your house doctor so fast
	so so so what they do they know they have a radical agenda Really?
	And they know certain things are going to be easier for people to swallow if the face of those agenda items is not the straight white male.
	So it's rapping.
	Correct.
	Correct.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	Let's delve a little bit deeper.
	This is American First 101.
	What ends up happening is that black people end up getting used And when Katie says that, we get him on the show.
	He is a contributor for The Blaze's Fearless with Jason Whitlock.
	Welcome in studio, Delano Squires.
	Thank you for having me.
	This is fascinating.
	We could spend the whole next hour just on that phrase, that the chocolate had covered the Marxism.
	So let's just start with this abortion issue.
	So you said, and I agree, something which had nothing to do with race, which was really identified with their evolution, privileged white middle class activists for decades.
	I mean, the feminist movement wasn't working class, wasn't minority based.
	It was middle class white or upper middle class white.
	It was the academy, the lounge of the professors.
	How do we get around this issue of 90 plus percent of the black community votes Democrat?
	An issue like an abortion, which should be a very personal choice, a choice about your values, your ethics, is suddenly radicalized in one direction, racialized by a party.
	And then when you look at the actual facts, take the politics out of it, you look at the fact that 40% of all abortions are black babies, despite the fact that the black population is only 12% of the nation, and you go, hang on, there's a factor of four more black abortions.
	How do you black community ever get pissed and say then the left was saying that the things that that's just wrong you know said whether it's yeah i mean people from certain countries or about immigration there are those things were racist black voters i feel like many of whom teeter back and forth socially conservative at a time where personally and i'm sure you heard this term we should personally pro-life in theory but politically further down the road
	um that's the classic politicians get out correct right and And you saw this actually during the 2020 campaign where particularly older, black, church-going women were seen to be the demographic group that was going to help, at that time, candidate Joe Biden in South Carolina, for instance, in that primary.
	And there are a lot of women, particularly in that category, It is a paradox because these are people, again, who if you ask them whether they think a man can become a woman, they'd probably say no.
	If you ask them whether they think abortion should be legal up until nine months, they'd probably say no.
	But they vote for Democrats anyway.
	And I think a big part of it is because the one thing that Democrats hold, in my opinion, over the black community is the issue of race and racism.
	So what they do is they say, well, if you don't vote for us, You're going to get the Republicans, and they're going to take you back to Jim Crow 2.0.
	I believe you.
	My wife and others who work with her have told me again and again and again these stories of going into these communities, also in the South, behind closed doors, members of the black community saying, yes, this is my view on abortion, on race, on sex, on transgender, but there's no way I could admit in public that I'm a Republican.
	Yes.
	There's that stigma of the label.
	Yes.
	Now, you're not a historian, but you follow these issues so closely.
	How did that happen?
	Because, you know, the Southern strategy is a myth.
	Right.
	The Democrat Party was the party of the KKK, of lynchings, of standing in schoolhouse doors.
	You know, it is clear what their heritage is.
	How did they flip it in terms of PR and communications that, you know, Nathan Bedford Forrest's party are now the good guys?
	Right, right.
	And the party that brought you the first Republican president who emancipated black slaves, Abraham Lincoln, they're the ones that have the stigma.
	Have you dug into how that happened?
	I think it's been a process over decades.
	My thought, my guess would be that with the election of President Obama, that really solidified the notion that to be black is to support the Democratic Party even more resolutely than has been the case.
	Again, you're talking about a shift that's happened over a number of decades.
	I actually call the hold that the Democrats have over the black community and the way the Democrats frame sort of black thriving and flourishing and say it's either you're either with us or you're going back in history with the republicans i call it the selma syndrome and really what it is it's a fusion of america's racial history right which is why they always talk about jim crow 2.0 they talk about selma the democrat jim crow rules right
	but it's a fusion of the country's history which is real i'm not papering over it in any way shape or form with elements of the stockholm syndrome Interesting.
	Where the person who's captive... The hostage.
	The hostage sees their fortunes tied to their captor.
	Wow.
	So anytime the captor is threatened, the hostage feels like something is about to be taken away from me.
	So does that mean they see the Democrat Party truly as their savior?
	In many respects, many people do.
	Absolutely.
	Which is why, to your point, they could never see themselves voting for a Republican.
	Even if they say, yes, I tend to be conservative on certain issues.
	Even if you give a list of issues, and you strip the parties from them, and you say, do you believe this or that?
	Even if they, 9 out of 10 issues, they would lean conservative.
	There's a part of them that says, I can't vote for this party because they're going to take me back and threatening the Democratic Party, the party of our first black president, um, is something that would be an act of betrayal and, and ultimately to my detriment.
	All right.
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	Okay, so we've discussed the Selma syndrome, the Stockholm syndrome of the black community, why 90 plus percent voted not just for a black president but for a Old senile white guy who'd been a machine politician for 47 years out of Delaware.
	Talk to us about the other side of the aisle.
	Talk to us about the strengths or the weaknesses of the GOP, the party of emancipation, of Lincoln.
	I don't want to get too cliched, but I see a party that kind of wrote off minorities.
	They don't know how to communicate with minorities, whether it's Asian, whether it's black, and they kind of just Didn't bother.
	Is that fair?
	I think certainly that's been the case historically and to some respect.
	I understand it because you know time is the one resource.
	They're not making more of so as a political party you want to invest your resources in places where you think you can get a return.
	I'll say this about today's GOP.
	If today's GOP, let's say 2024, right?
	If the Canada in 2024 is going to be a Mitt Romney esque establishment guy establishment guy I don't think that type of person is going to move the needle not not in terms of the people that I know personally
	but if it's someone more in the let's say mold of the current governor of Florida someone who understands policy someone who's willing to to fight the right fights in the right way with the right people I I think that type of candidate could move the needle, certainly among Hispanics, because they are starting to move away from the Democratic Party at a fairly rapid pace.
	I even think in terms of the black community.
	So I think if you have the right type of conservative candidate, I could easily see that person getting 25% of the black vote.
	Really?
	Yes, yes.
	But I'll say it this way, I think here's the key, and this is what I would say to friends and family of mine who may be saying, well, I could never vote for a Republican.
	This is what I would say to them.
	I would say, I'm not trying to convince you to vote for a Republican.
	What I'd like you to do is to be clear on what your values are.
	Yes.
	Understand what you believe and why you believe it, and then as you go out in the marketplace, right, and you look for a political candidate to represent you, because that's all...
	You're not searching for a pastor, you're not searching for a father, you're not searching for a lover, or a friend.
	You're looking for someone to represent your interests in whatever level of government we're talking about.
	Know your values, know what you believe and why you believe it, and then you go out and ask yourself, which one of these two or three people is most aligned with the things that I believe?
	And then vote for that person.
	See, that seems to be apparent cognitive dissonance because As an outsider to that community, I see a community that shares my values, whether it's values to do with family, with the roles of the male or male and female, the importance of education, I would hope.
	But then I see this kind of disconnect, this cognitive dissonance and the tribal attitude to, well, but I'm still going to vote Democrat.
	How much does reality matter?
	Because you look at the four years of my old boss, you know, in the White House, President Trump, After, if you look at lowest unemployment for blacks and Hispanics since record-keeping began, you look at the First Step Act, the first serious, you know, prison reform act in years, if not decades, which should give him some credit with this population, but it seems nugatory.
	Yes, he got more votes, but does hard work for a given community actually pay off the dividends of popularity two or four years later?
	I would say absolutely yes, because failing to do that means you're guaranteed to not ever get any of those votes.
	You can't get votes from people if you don't show up and talk to them.
	I'll say this, even what you mentioned with President Trump, if you all were consulting me three, four years ago, it's fine you didn't.
	But if you were, here's what I would say.
	As somebody who's lived in and around cities my entire life, I would be more interested in hearing the Trump campaign tout the efforts of Operation Legend than the First Step Act.
	Okay, explain that.
	So, I'm sure as you know and many of your listeners know, Operation Legend was a joint federal initiative, FBI, DOJ, ATF, that I believe was in nine cities, including Chicago and I believe St.
	Louis and a number of other cities.
	Where, I mean, they were having issues with crime within the cities.
	It was named after legend Talaferro, who I think was shot, not intentionally, but was the victim of a drive-by shooting.
	And the purpose of it was to get guns off the street, to get violent criminal suspects off the street.
	And I think over the course of Five, six months, there were over 450 homicide arrests, a number of arrests for illegal guns, and you know, those types of things that really impact communities on a granular level.
	Because here's the problem.
	This is a problem on the left and the right.
	When both sides of the aisle think about the black communities and black populations, they see, in relation to public safety, they see black people as primarily victims of a racist criminal justice system and not victims they see black people as primarily victims of a racist criminal justice system So to me, I would flip it on its head.
	I'm not I'm not arguing against the First Step Act.
	But if I'm if I'm a person who lives in Philadelphia or Atlanta or Baltimore, New York City, and I'm seeing the bodies piling up in terms of homicides and all of the homicide victims are young black males, I want to know what the federal response is going to be as it relates to crime in my neighborhood. I want to know what the federal response is going And not just when the shooter is a deranged racist white supremacist.
	You can't just come around... And say that one matters more.
	Correct.
	Right.
	Correct.
	So I would sort of...
	You know, massage my messaging in that way.
	But again, to be clear, there is a fairly significant segment of the black community who feels, look, we do share the less values on abortion, on LGBT issues.
	And those people you're never going to get.
	But you can get the people who are more socially conservative and you can get men.
	Because the Democratic Party is turning in basically to the women's Labor and Perpetual Support Party.
	It is a party that is going to drive away men, starting with straight white males, and certainly right behind them will be straight black men as well.
	Yeah, yeah.
	No, I think you're absolutely right.
	The endangered class in the future is going to be heterosexual white guys closely followed by heterosexual black guys.
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	Delano I'm gonna play a little bit of a devil's advocate here because you talked about First Step versus Operation Legend but before that I asked about how you relate as a conservative to a black community said forget about party affiliation look at values what values do you have and does that other person have the same values okay I'm gonna use that yardstick
	To talk about crime in the black community, because let's be honest, we can have mass shootings in New York or even in a Taiwanese church in California, but it's 9,000 black Americans killed by black Americans every year, which is 3,000 more than were killed in Vietnam, black Americans.
	The most dangerous thing for a black young man is to be murdered by another black young man.
	So you're an expert on gun violence, so get me wrong.
	But to say that the federal government should be helping in these societies, in these communities, there should be a focus on gun violence.
	I'm a Catholic, and there's a beautiful Catholic word called subsidiarity, which says, if there's a real problem, fix it where it's happening.
	Don't wait for Uncle Sam.
	What the hell does Uncle Sam know about the South Side of Chicago?
	What does he know about the Crips and the Bloods in LA?
	And for me, as a big gun guy myself, I think focusing on the guns is irrelevant.
	It goes back to your initial point.
	It's the values.
	What are the values in that society?
	Is it cool for a 16 year old kid to be carrying an unlicensed weapon tucked into his pants?
	If it's cool, You know what the feds do is really irrelevant unless you come down like the hammer of hell and say okay you're 16 years old carrying an unlicensed weapon that's 20 years to life which I don't think changes values in a culture so can I suggest flipping it on its head and to say
	What have you seen as the best way to morph values in those cultures where the wrong things are cool, Delano?
	That's a great question.
	I agree with your general premise that Many of the issues that we talk about in our country are not and cannot be solved with the federal government, primarily.
	The government may have some ability to help at the margins, right?
	I only mention Operation Legend because oftentimes what will happen, and this happened even in the wake of the Buffalo Massacre, is I will see certain black commentators, journalists say, well, where's our executive order?
	In the same way that the president did after the shooting in Atlanta at the Asian spa.
	And my position is, if the federal government is going to marshal its resources, I'd rather they marshal them in this particular way, to fight crime.
	But going back to the question you asked, I believe in order.
	In the natural order.
	Boarded liberty, like the U.S.
	Constitution.
	Moral order, social order, and public order.
	And there are different parts of the body politic, right?
	There's family, there's community, there's faith institutions, and then there's government.
	So, what our consciences will not constrain and our families cannot contain Eventually, the government has to step in and detain.
	So what you see by the time the government has to step in, whether it's police or other law enforcement agencies, is a number of other things that have failed to take place.
	Correct.
	Across the culture.
	And this is regardless of race, right?
	Because even whether it's this shooter, Whether it's the homicide victims, you know, in urban areas, whether it's the deaths of despair or suicides in white rural areas, there are certain things that are not happening, particularly in American families, because as the family is broken down, Disorder has been released into the culture.
	And let's let's remind all of our millions of listeners and viewers that it's no accident that the element that was scrubbed off the BLM website after it was made a big issue of was the line which said we need to attack and dismantle the nuclear family as if the nuclear family in the black community hadn't suffered enough.
	Okay.
	All right, so first things first, let me ask you, how did you get to have your values?
	How did Delano Squires get to have his non-chocolate-covered, non-Marxist values?
	And have you paid a penalty for the views that you have?
	So I'll go with the first question first.
	I mean, I got my values from my parents.
	I grew up in New York City.
	Did you have a dad at home?
	Yes.
	So my parents have been married, this year will be 41 years.
	Nice.
	So they immigrated from the West Indies.
	They married here in the States.
	And I also grew up And I'll say this, this is important, because sometimes when conservatives hear the term, it takes a village to raise a child, they immediately think Marxist indoctrination.
	But that's not how I grew up.
	When I think it takes a village to raise a child, I'm thinking about my extended family, my church family.
	Your grandma, your cousins, your aunts, your uncles.
	Correct.
	And all of those people.
	Not the state.
	Correct.
	All of those people had a hand in raising me.
	So I grew up, you know, with my parents, my extended family, with an extended church family, people who I've known my entire life.
	And we, I mean, these values were pressed into me and my best friends.
	I remember Sunday school, the gentleman who was teaching, I remember him telling us distinctly Wow!
	that a man that does not take care of his own household is worse than an infidel, worse than an unbeliever. - Wow. - So, and I may have been 10, 12 years old 'cause out of my four friends, I'm the youngest and that stuck with us.
	And now out of the four of us, three of us are married.
	We have eight children across, and all of whom born within the context of marriage.
	And we get to enjoy seeing our parents enjoy their role now as grandparents.
	So I grew up in the type of village that I think that proverb speaks to.
	And is it hard to have the values you have today as a black American?
	No, not at all.
	You don't pay a price?
	I might.
	It's not a price that I mind paying.
	It's not one that matters.
	I mean, I have a lovely wife.
	We've been married almost 10 years.
	We have three children.
	I have a very fulfilling personal life.
	I have family that love me and support me, even when they disagree with me.
	But I also know that, for instance, I'll give you a quick example.
	The barbershop I go to, right?
	None of the guys there would say that they're Trump fans.
	But as I talk to them and I ask them, what are your values?
	I'm to the point where there are people who would say I would never vote for Trump who are sharing my blaze articles with with their friends and their family.
	But that's a problem because for me that's the issue of the last two years which is a lack of courage.
	It's like you know when I went to a GOP event and a woman ran up to me and asked for a selfie and I said sure and I gave her a you know the selfie and then I said don't forget to tag me and this woman at a GOP MAGA gala said oh I can't do that because uh Virginia's so left and I and something died I mean inside of me either you're a conservative and you believe your values or you don't right
	So the disconnect between what they're telling you offline, sharing the articles, and what they're prepared to say publicly, those things should be together.
	Okay, let me ask a second question.
	Yes, go ahead.
	But I think part of it is that they don't perceive themselves as conservative.
	Right.
	I can understand that.
	But then I ask the question, why?
	Who has indoctrinated them to a point where they can hold really core conservative values, but then not connect that to the self-image of being a conservative?
	Yeah.
	And that's a good question.
	And I mean, there are all different reasons why that can take place over a course of time.
	Part of it is if you grew up in an area that is all blue, You don't have any conservatives to vote for.
	But I will say this.
	The most effective ambassadors for conservatism are the far left.
	Especially in the last 16 months.
	Right?
	We've seen that with School Choice.
	We've seen that with Libs of TikTok.
	These are the types of things that will turn guys that go to my barbershop... And the guys that are harassing judges outside their homes.
	Correct.
	Let me ask you this question.
	Dr. Ben Carson on my Newsmax show yesterday and his story of growing up single mother, I think five kids, but his mother, you know, every day said, okay, how many chapters of this book have you read?
	Give me a report.
	And he didn't know that she was illiterate until he was like 12 or 14.
	Talk to us about how education fits into this.
	How poorly served has that 12% of the American population been by the public education system, for example?
	Very poorly served and I'm a person who I mean I grew I went to Catholic school for two years between through K through 12, but every other year the other 10 I was in a public school and I thought I got I did get a very good education it was I never felt like I was being preached to in terms of politics and
	But as I grew and mature and grew in my faith, I started to see education as equal parts scholarship and discipleship, right?
	So academic mastery and moral formation.
	And the current education system is failing all students, but particularly black students on both accounts.
	This is part of the reason why you see so many urban school districts moving into the political indoctrination.
	Because they can't... They're failing at teaching, you know, reading, writing, arithmetic.
	So now they've jumped on to something else.
	So, I think I'm a big proponent of school choice, but I also know that school choice is not the magic bullet.
	Because if all of the schools are teaching race essentialism and sexual orientation and gender ideology, then you're still choosing among schools who don't understand their core mission.
	I think the biggest problem with public education today is that the people who run it fundamentally misunderstand their authority.
	They think our children belong to them and that we are allies with them in the education process.
	And part of that is our fault as parents.
	Because we have discharged that responsibility onto the school blindly.
	Right.
	And now we're trying to get it back.
	And you know how it is whenever somebody tries to take back power that they've given to somebody else, it's always a fight.
	And that, and that's one of the things that you see here.
	So I'm a big proponent of, um, you know, school choice, my wife and I, we actually homeschool.
	We made that decision a couple of years ago, but you know, co-ops, uh, voucher programs, being in DC, Right, but I want to say something about D.C.
	because I think this brings home the bankruptcy of our current political culture, right?
	D.C.
	voted at least 94% for Biden-Harris ticket.
	D.C.
	is also the only jurisdiction that has a federally funded voucher program called the D.C.
	Opportunity Scholarship.
	I guarantee you that there are black parents who voted for Biden-Harris With the thought that I'm glad that my VP looks like me, right?
	Under the notion that representation matters.
	Who did not know that that administration, when it comes to education, wants to kill the voucher program that that family is using to educate their children.
	The federal government wants to kill the D.C.
	program?
	President Obama wanted to kill it in 2008 when he came in.
	He was unsuccessful.
	I think John Boehner blocked him.
	President Trump, I think, increased funding for it.
	And then before President Biden came in, the National Education Association outlined their education priorities, and one of those things was to kill that program.
	And in, I believe, the budget proposal that was submitted for 2023, it includes ending the D.C.
	Opportunity Scholarship Program.
	But if it ends, will there be any political consequences?
	Will that voters say, oh, I voted for the wrong ticket?
	That's a good question.
	And to me, that's one thing that the local GOP or local conservatives should use as a way to reach parents and say, look, you think that it matters that they look like you, but they don't share your values.
	They send their kids to Sidwell, and they won't even let you get a $10,000 scholarship to send your kids to a private school.
	Bingo.
	Bingo.
	You've nailed it.
	Okay.
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	Okay, you made a kind of, it's been a fun interview, I could continue for hours, but you made a kind of little barb about my former boss saying, I wasn't called up five years ago.
	Well, we can probably change that.
	So let's play a little scenario planning.
	Okay.
	My former boss runs.
	I know he's running.
	We secure the election and he wins.
	He's back in the White House.
	It is January the 21st, 2025.
	If it's not the First Step Act, give us the two things, the two things that the black community deserve from the next conservative president.
	So here's how I would answer that question.
	I'm going to add one more.
	Yeah.
	I'm going to quote the great Thomas Sowell, who said, he was giving a speech, and he said, a lot of liberals congratulate themselves on things that they've done for the black community.
	But when you destroy the family, education, and law and order, there's nothing left.
	And nothing you can do can replace those things.
	So for me, it would be, Focusing policy, to the extent possible, on restoring, reviving, and strengthening the nuclear family, the natural family, as I call it.
	Improving education, right?
	Which, again, is always going to mean working with parents and children.
	Not the government coming in and dictating where kids can go to school.
	And then restoring moral, social, and public order.
	But to go back to the point, I mean, you're a conservative.
	I think you like this concept of subsidiarity.
	Aren't there limits to what the feds can do about families and education and moral order?
	Absolutely, absolutely.
	But here's how I would answer that question, right?
	The federal government is already involved in family policies.
	And screwing it up and giving the reverse incentive.
	There you go.
	So what I would say is instead of lamenting, oh, well, we got what we paid for.
	Why don't you pay for what you want?
	Right?
	I'm thinking and I'm sure you would appreciate this.
	I'm thinking of how Hungary has the tax credits for married couples.
	There you go.
	So part of it, and here's how I would say it, both within policy in the political realm and the cultural realm, You can move the needle through the pen, the purse, and the pulpit.
	So that's, whether that's in the political realm, that's legislation, that's funding programs, and that's using the bully pulpit to say, these things are important.
	And to me, the most important thing, the fundamental building block of any civil society is the natural family.
	So I think having a president who can articulate that clearly and consistently There are other people who live their lives in all different types of ways, but only one type of pairing produces children.
	So, I would hammer that as much as possible and again, provide incentives, tax credits, tax rebates, whatever it is.
	When a couple files their marriage license on every anniversary, you can provide voucher programs, voucher schemes, or credits for families who want to homeschool and say, look, we would have paid $12,000 a year for you and your jurisdiction, right?
	And this could be a partnership between federal and local government.
	But if you want to be a homeschool family, that's fine.
	We'll give you a third of that.
	Because to your point, you don't want to incentivize the wrong type of social ordering and behavior, like what we did with welfare policy, where you provide an incentive for women to have children out of wedlock.
	So what I'm saying is prime the pump in a way that moves, understanding that we can't solve all problems, but at least moves the citizenry in the right direction.
	And I think that's the type of policy that would benefit every community.
	Well, you've given me a third thing I'm going to use with full credit.
	I like this.
	Not traditional, but natural family.
	I love that, Delano Squires.
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