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	Welcome to your friends.
	This is America First on the Salem Radio Network with me, your host, Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to President Trump, member today of the Pentagon's National Security Education Board.
	We have a packed show for you tonight with, today, tonight, with our regular guest, Conrad Black, a very special one-on-one with that Fiery pestle of an anti-communist Morgan Zegers.
	We're going to have a former NFL player who's running for the Senate and an individual who, um... Hey, I gotta talk protocols.
	Is Mr. G there?
	I'm here.
	What are the rules for slamming other radio corporations like Cumulus?
	Uh, go after it.
	There's no problem, right?
	Why wouldn't you?
	Because they're scumbags.
	Exactly.
	I just want to make, because you're the radio, I mean, when did you start working in radio, Mr. G?
	Mr. G 2004.
	2004.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	So you know everything.
	I know when things that are being said now on radio wasn't a problem.
	Yeah.
	Yes, when radio companies didn't have a list, a blacklist of things you're not allowed to say, like Q-Alist does.
	Or care about a tweet that isn't even controversial.
	And gets a host fired.
	Yes.
	All right, well, let's do it.
	We're going to have Amber Athey, who tweeted a joke, an innocuous joke, about the vice president, the cackler, and was instantly, boom, unpersoned, fired by the libs at Cumulus from WMAL.
	Dan Bongino's been talking about it.
	Even my good friend Chris Plant from WMAL has mentioned it this morning.
	Well, we're going to give you the whole story.
	You don't want to miss it.
	But first, Let's talk about geopolitics.
	Let's talk about the address that a beleaguered president of Ukraine gave to the UN today, hammering a certain member of the Security Council who is responsible for genocide and war crimes.
	Speaking through an interpreter, this is President Volodymyr Zelensky.
	Cut 12.
	Yesterday I returned from our city of Bucha, recently liberated from Russian troops, not far from Kiev.
	So there is not a single crime that they would not commit there.
	The Russian military searched for and purposefully killed anyone who served our country.
	They shot and killed women outside their houses when they just tried to call someone who is alive.
	They killed entire families, adults and children.
	They killed entire families, adults and children, as we read to you yesterday, the details of a mayor of one of the suburbs, one of the towns in the suburbs of Kiev, killed with her family, with her daughter, and thrown into a mass unmarked grave.
	Now let me, at the risk of getting heated, let me address some of the things that are being said about the war in Ukraine.
	Sadly by some who pretend to be conservatives.
	I'm going to address them one by one.
	Mr. G, you text me if I'm forgetting something.
	You really helped me out last time I did this, but I need to do it again.
	First, we've got people who are saying Ukraine deserved it.
	We've got people saying Vladimir Putin's the good guy.
	We've got people saying that because there were bio labs in Ukraine, it justifies the invasion.
	And we've got people saying NATO caused this by expanding.
	Let's walk through all of those.
	Ukraine.
	It's corrupt.
	Yeah.
	Well, maybe.
	We know that it is the hotbed of corruption stories affecting the First Family.
	Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, Jim Biden.
	We know that a Ukrainian oil and gas company was paying Hunter Biden $83,000 a month for a no-show job.
	We know that The current incumbent in the White House had a prosecutor investigating that company fired when he withheld a billion dollars of U.S.
	aid.
	All of that is true.
	So what?
	How corrupt is D.C.
	right now?
	I mean, seriously, has it ever been more corrupt?
	I don't think so.
	I think of the history of this nation.
	We've never had an administration more corrupt than this one.
	Opening our borders, With Chairman of the Joint Chiefs giving secret phone calls to Communist China, undermining conservative presidents with everything that's happening in terms of undermining the economy.
	Yeah, massively corrupt.
	And a media that helps them.
	So, if that's true about America, would that justify China invading America?
	Would that justify?
	The bombing of kindergartens in Boston by Russian strategic bombers?
	No, of course not.
	Because administration isn't the nation.
	This is the problem with sanctions right now.
	We are negatively affecting millions of Russians with our sanctions against Russia.
	We're not really hurting Putin.
	Putin's the richest man in the world.
	He could care less.
	But we're hurting Russians.
	So the fact that Kiev is problematic It's not an excuse.
	So that's done.
	Number two.
	That Putin is some savior of Western civilization.
	He's an anti-globalist.
	Since when?
	Since when is that true?
	Just look at the history.
	Look at the evidence arrayed in front of you.
	If you just search the phrase Russian war crimes.
	What has Russia done?
	Has Russia liberated any countries?
	Really liberated countries.
	Ask the Hungarians, ask my family members who fought for their freedom, for a government that represented them, and were crushed in the Hungarian Revolution as the Soviet tanks came in from Ukraine, from Romania, to stifle That call for liberty.
	Ask the Czechs, the Slovaks in 1968.
	Ask the Chechens a little bit more recently, who wanted their independence when the Soviet Union fell and resisted and went to war with Moscow, only to have their capital, Grozny, literally turned into rubble, into a sheet of glass by Vladimir Putin.
	That's the Russian definition What about those notorious biolabs?
	Well, who built them?
	Who built the biolabs?
	The Soviet Union built the biolabs.
	Ukraine inherited them and kept them when the West said, hey, give your nukes back to Russia.
	You don't need the nukes.
	We'll protect you.
	They said, OK.
	And we very wisely said, OK, let's find out what's going on in those labs.
	Let's see what the Soviet Union illegally developed and find out antidotes and ways to resist if they are ever used against America or our allies.
	Even if we were building chemical weapons and bioweapons in Ukraine to use against Russia, in what scenario?
	Russia is the largest nation in the world.
	Its army is 20 times larger than the Ukraine.
	It has nuclear weapons.
	What's Russia afraid of?
	Us invading?
	Really?
	A nation of 11 time zones?
	What are we going to do there?
	And what's going to happen to the nuclear weapons when we cross one soldier's boot onto Russian soil?
	And as for the NATO expanded?
	NATO is a club.
	Imagine if one street of businesses used the same insurance company for their businesses, but one didn't and took Umbridge.
	Does that mean that one company that doesn't want to use that insurance company gets to burn down the other businesses?
	Of course it doesn't.
	So the idea that NATO caused this is sheer insanity.
	At the end of the day, the Kremlin is doing what it does best.
	Oppressing, murdering and killing children and unarmed civilians.
	Show me the proof to the contrary and then we'll have a discussion.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	This is the Salem Radio Network.
	The Salem Radio Network.
	- Mics are on.
	Let's see. - Oh, will you play me?
	Oh!
	Well, well, well.
	Hi.
	Hey.
	How are you?
	Good, welcome.
	Good to see you.
	How you been?
	Good.
	How you been?
	Well, it's been a day.
	Alright, get comfortable.
	The mics are still on in the break for the video feed.
	Now get comfortable.
	Get nice and close to the mic.
	You know the drill.
	Yep.
	Not my first rodeo.
	No.
	Switch a little bit this way.
	That'll be good.
	Alright.
	That's your head down to the right.
	Great.
	How long were you co-hosting?
	- You co-hosting? - It was six months almost exactly. - Okay.
	Don't know how you do that.
	What co-hosting?
	The morning shift.
	Oh.
	I did it a couple times at WMAL.
	Got in the studio at 4.15, I lit.
	Three times, I'm done.
	I'm toast.
	It was brutal.
	I only did it twice a week, so on Fridays I would just sleep till like noon to catch up.
	Yeah, I bet.
	It was rough.
	Alright, what do we say?
	We say U.S.
	Spectator.
	What's your affiliation?
	Just say Washington Editor for The Spectator.
	Washington Editor.
	Our role is not to be bound by the First Amendment, but our role is to serve a healthy public conversation.
	Good.
	All right.
	Is there anything?
	Yeah, you can put those on.
	Can I hear?
	Cut four, please.
	Four.
	Our role is not to be bound by the First Amendment, but our role is to serve a healthy public conversation.
	And our moves are reflective of things that we believe lead to a healthier public conversation.
	The kinds of things that we do to work about this is to focus less on thinking about free speech, but thinking about how the times have changed.
	Okay.
	Can you find the tweet that got ambified?
	Uh, hang on.
	Yeah.
	What do you want me to do with it?
	Make a buffer.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	Was Heather producing for you?
	Mm-hmm.
	She's good.
	She's very good.
	And she had a little baby or something.
	How was she producing?
	She has two daughters.
	Three.
	She just had her third.
	Oh my gosh.
	Yeah.
	I don't know how she does it.
	Sorry, Eric, could you play me Mitt Romney 7?
	In the prior confirmation, I was concerned that she was outside the mainstream.
	And as a result of our meeting for an hour together and reviewing her A testimony before Congress.
	I became convinced that she's within the mainstream.
	That's incredible.
	She's also highly qualified, intelligent.
	He's gonna burn in hell.
	He is gonna burn in hell.
	I'm sorry.
	She's inside the mainstream.
	Down there with John McCain.
	That's Utah.
	That's where you can get a real senator.
	I know!
	Hypothetically, yeah.
	It's not like if he was Massachusetts, you could live with it.
	Right.
	Okay.
	35 seconds.
	Let's do a little quick selfie.
	Israel here.
	Alright.
	Let's see if it's lighter.
	Send that to the guys.
	Alright, we're coming with Israel here.
	Yep.
	Sounds good.
	Standing by.
	You got the buffer, Eric?
	Not yet, I'm still working on it.
	Just text me.
	me all right 10 seconds goodbye portions
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	Look, I see myself as a bit of a neophyte still.
	It's great to have people like Mr. G at my back, because I'm pretty new to this side of the microphone.
	I've been listening to radio since I was a kid, but I've only been producing it.
	What do they call us?
	Are we the talent, Jeff?
	Is that what we are?
	Yeah.
	The talent.
	I've only been a... I hate that phrase.
	I sound like a prostitute.
	I'm the talent for the last three years.
	So I think one of the things you're not supposed to do is talk about other shows.
	You're supposed to live in this kind of, la la la, there are no other radio shows, only mine.
	It's kind of corporate mindset.
	But that stinks.
	That's silly.
	And I listen to WMAL sometimes.
	Sorry, Because I've been living in the swamp for 13 years now.
	And I love Chris Plant.
	I love Larry O'Connor.
	But I hate Cumulus.
	Why?
	Because of the guest we have in studio.
	She is the Washington editor for The Spectator, Amber Athey.
	Am I pronouncing it correctly?
	You nailed it.
	Athey.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	And until recently, what were you doing at the godforsaken 4am slot at WMAL?
	Yeah, that's true.
	I would get there around 4.30 every day.
	I'd host the 5 to 9 a.m.
	Morning Drive Time show alongside Larry O'Connor, actually, twice a week.
	I was one of the rotating co-hosts on the O'Connor & Company program with Patrice Onwuka and Julie Gunlock, and every Wednesday and Thursday I'd go in and I would co-host the show.
	And I was doing that for six months until March 9th, I got a little phone call from Cumulus Executives.
	And they were letting me know that I had been terminated, effective immediately, over a tweet that I had sent making fun of Kamala Harris' outfit.
	Okay, so, um, did you say something racist?
	Did you say she should be in chains?
	Don't forget that her great-great-grandfather was the biggest slave owner on the island of Jamaica.
	That's just a little reminder of who she hails from.
	What did you say?
	Did you say she should be killed?
	What was the joke that you tweeted?
	Yeah I wish it were anything as edgy as that because then I would at least feel like maybe I deserved what happened to me but the tweet was sent on March 1st which was the night of the State of the Union and as everyone I'm sure remembers she was wearing this god-awful brown suit.
	It was like in a thrift store they wouldn't sell it for a dollar.
	And she paid thousands of dollars for it like an idiot.
	And the color matched exactly what?
	The UPS uniforms.
	Which aren't exactly sexy!
	And there we have it.
	There we have the tweet.
	Kamala looks like a UPS employee.
	What did you say?
	What can... What can Brown do for you?
	Which is the catchphrase of UPS.
	What can Brown do for you?
	Referring to the uniforms, and then my response to that rhetorical question was absolutely nothing, apparently.
	Obviously referring to the fact that Kamala is probably the least effective politician and public policymaker in the past, I don't know, two decades?
	Maybe human history.
	Possibly.
	I would accept that interpretation, too.
	Makes Dan Quayle look like Napoleon.
	I'm sorry.
	Kamala Harris makes Dan Quayle look like Genghis Khan.
	So you posted that, and then you lost your job six days later.
	What's interesting about the way this all shook out is when I first sent the tweet, nobody cared.
	Everybody was just kind of laughing along with this sort of obvious joke that I made.
	I didn't think it was my most original or funniest joke.
	I mean, I'm a woman, what can you expect?
	But I did my best, and you know, some people liked it, and it was getting some decent traction among friends.
	Was anybody calling in the lame, streamlining legacy press that this woman must be tarred and feathered?
	No, not yet.
	So what happened was, a few days later, There were these protests at the University of North Texas and the protests were going against this guy who wanted to criminalize medical transitions for children that are transgender.
	You mean to stop the mutilation of children?
	Correct.
	Okay.
	Must be a good guy.
	To save children from abuse.
	Right.
	And brainwashing.
	So they were protesting against this man who's protecting children.
	Right.
	So how does that connect to you?
	I spoke out in favor of this guy, and a bunch of activists, including this freelance journalist for the Rolling Stone, Daily Beast, Yahoo News, who later was on the video with Steven Crowder getting absolutely destroyed over this exact issue, screenshotted the Kamala tweet.
	posted it up, claimed that What Can Brown Do For You was referring to her skin color, fired off a bunch of emails to Cumulus, and then it was a week later after that that I was fired.
	So I wasn't even really fired because I sent the tweet, it was because a bunch of radical gender activists decided that I needed to be silenced for speaking out in favor of children, and so they manufactured this idea of me being a racist so that I would lose my job.
	And tell us about that phone call.
	So Cumulus calls you up, and what do they say to you?
	It was a fascinating phone call.
	I was on the air that morning.
	It was a Wednesday morning, and then a few hours later, I think it was three or four in the afternoon, I got a phone call from Jeff Bowden.
	And yes, I'm naming names.
	Jeff Bowden, who is the Vice President of the DC Operations for Cumulus Media, and Kristin Franzelis, who is the Vice President of Human Resources for Cumulus.
	As soon as I heard HR, I knew I was screwed, because that's kind of how it goes.
	You never want to be in front of HR.
	But during the phone call, it was very short, they told me that they were made aware of this tweet that I sent on March 1st, that it was racist, and that subsequent attempts to defend myself and mock the people who were trying to cancel me were a violation of the social media policy.
	And that I was terminated effective immediately.
	I would get nothing else from the station except my last pay stub and I was off the air and that was that.
	They didn't offer me a chance to defend myself.
	Nobody else on the show knew what was going on.
	The program manager at WMAL didn't know what was going on.
	This was completely out of the blue from corporate.
	And at the end of the phone call, I said, I would really like to put a statement on the record, if I may.
	I think it's important that my voice gets heard on this issue.
	And I spoke for maybe three or four minutes, pretty much the exact same things that I'm telling you now, because I wanted them to hear my perspective on what I thought was very unjustifying.
	And at the end of it, the HR woman, Kristen, said, okay, thank you, and Goodbye.
	Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
	Now, Cumulus is run by a radical lefty.
	Yes.
	What's her name?
	Her name is Mary Berner.
	She's the CEO.
	She makes a million and a half dollars a year of a base salary, about six or seven million total if you count all the stock options that she gets from Cumulus Media.
	And I've heard from actually other Cumulus employees who have mentioned that she apparently has a transgender child herself.
	And we'll often brag on company meetings about it.
	She's a lesbian, right?
	I have no idea.
	Okay, Mary Berner, right?
	Mary Berner.
	Do you know if this was from her?
	Were the orders given down from Mary Berner?
	We still don't know.
	To get rid of you?
	A lot of people have tried to speculate about where the firing actually came from and get a name responsible for it, and to this day there has been zero transparency.
	We haven't finished yet.
	Wherever you are, whatever you're doing, stay on this channel.
	We'll be back in a moment.
	Mike's back on.
	They were horrified by a lot of the things that she would say during these internal company meetings.
	About transgender stuff?
	Well, like, apparently instead of talking about, you know, company success and things like that, she would start waxing poetic about having a trans child and, like, all this weird woke nonsense.
	So I've been told that there is a list Of things you're not allowed to say.
	Nobody at Cumulus is allowed to see the list, but hosts are called in by the PMs and they are read the list as what you're not allowed to say.
	Have you heard this?
	No.
	That definitely didn't happen to me.
	That's the latest.
	Interesting.
	That happened about two weeks ago.
	Really?
	That doesn't surprise me.
	It's totally your way.
	It's like Kafka.
	There is a list, but you're not allowed to see it.
	Right.
	We'll tell you what's on the list.
	They were very squirrelly about anything with vaccines.
	I will say that.
	Yes.
	And Wuhan.
	You can't talk about Wuhan.
	I was pretty good at doing it without getting in trouble for that.
	I don't know.
	Maybe they were upset about that too.
	Who knows?
	How did Larry react?
	I haven't spoken to him in a while.
	Larry's been good.
	He talked about it on the show this morning.
	Oh, he did?
	He did.
	Good for him.
	As did Chris Plant.
	Um, Dan had me on yesterday.
	Yes.
	And, yeah, which was hilarious.
	And, uh, no, Larry's been really vocal on social media and, you know, everyone who hosts a show there was internally over the past month trying to fix this.
	Um, and we finally exhausted all options and I was like, all right, I'm just going to drop a nuke on you then.
	Okay.
	Let's do that.
	Good.
	Um, what's your beat at The Spectator?
	I cover anything political, really.
	Okay.
	Politics and culture.
	Good.
	Good, good, good.
	Alright, we shall continue.
	Two minutes.
	Uh, title for the monologue, by the way?
	Um... Debunking all the conspiracy- oh, excuse me, theories.
	Debunking, um, the Ukraine conspiracies.
	You sound like you fell down a hole there.
	Play cut six for me, please.
	Cut six.
	Sorry, my throat just gave out out of nowhere.
	This current Justice Department has no problem, you know, hinting that they're going to look at Hunter Biden.
	It feels, I mean, I think just to folks who are not professional prosecutors and not experienced with the DOJ, like there is one standard for Democrats and another for Republicans.
	Trump is starting to look untouchable.
	Right.
	I'm seeing that everywhere.
	I'm seeing everything that the news is coming out.
	It's just the opposite of what the truth is.
	Washington Post, Elon Musk's Twitter investment could be bad news for free speech.
	Yeah, because getting rid of somebody with 91 million followers, that's good for free speech.
	Give me cut nine.
	Nine.
	The CDC has been very clear, as you've indicated, That in fact if things turn around and you have a rather substantial uptick in cases that is associated with an increase in hospitalizations, the CDC might turn around that recommendation and say we've got to go back to indoor masks.
	I think there's going to be a lot of pushback On the part of the American public in doing that, although it would be the prudent thing to do.
	Wow.
	Come in with that.
	What is that weird chyro on the left?
	Like symbols.
	I didn't see it.
	So weird.
	It's like a one-hit wonder that desperately is trying to make a new single.
	Doesn't look good though.
	No, no, no.
	All right.
	We've got merch and title lock here.
	Ten seconds.
	Portions of America First are brought to you in part by Stand With Israel Tour.
	The CDC has been very clear, as you've indicated, That in fact, if things turned around and you have a rather substantial uptick in cases that is associated with an increase in hospitalizations, the CDC might turn around that recommendation and say, we've got to go back to indoor masks.
	I think there's going to be a lot of pushback on the part of the American public in doing that, although it would be the prudent thing to do.
	You heard it!
	He's trying to be relevant again!
	Indoor masks!
	Aren't you so excited?
	I thought he disappeared.
	Let's get back to something far more important than the little fascist Fauci.
	Amber Athey is in studio.
	She has...
	The Politics Culture Beat, you know, small things like that.
	The Spectator, you can follow her, Amber underscore Athey, that's A-T-H-E-Y.
	We're talking about her run-in with the crazy extremist intolerant cumulus owners like Mary Burner.
	Amber, so you've said in the break, as we keep the mics on for our rumble, guys, guys, if you're just listening to the radio, check out the feed.
	Go to rumble.com slash sebgorka.
	That's rumble.com slash s-e-b-g-o-r-k-a.
	You said you're going to drop the bomb on them.
	So what have you been doing since they called up and said, yeah, jokes on Twitter about Kamala?
	Not allowed.
	You're fired.
	Well, as soon as I exhausted all of my potential legal options and allowed the hosts to work internally to see if they could get me back on air, I decided to go public with this to warn other people about what could potentially happen.
	I have no illusions that I'm going to get my job back, right?
	I mean, I've embarrassed them publicly.
	They'd be really stupid, dumber than they were firing me to bring me back.
	But I have a couple of goals.
	One is I want them to realize that if they thought they were taking the easy way out by firing me and giving in to half a dozen, a dozen of these radical activists who emailed them, they're going to get a hundred times, if not a thousand times more pressure from conservatives who are really, really angry about what they did.
	Well, this is the weird thing.
	You look at Disney, you look at the massive franchises that have been killed because of wokeness, whether it's Star Trek, Star Wars, you name it.
	Talk radio is conservative.
	I mean, the libs have tried it.
	It's a disaster every time.
	We own one part of the culture and it's talk radio.
	And to have leftist crazies like the head of Cumulus, like Mary Berner, fire people because they're conservatives and they don't follow their party line.
	They're basically killing the golden calf, are they not?
	They absolutely are.
	They make the vast majority of their money over at Cumulus from conservative talent.
	So if you're going to sit there and tell them that no matter whether or not what they say is racist or not, if it has the perception of being racist to certain people who are bad faith actors, then we're going to fire you.
	That is the destruction of political commentary.
	There would be no Rush Limbaugh.
	There would be no Ben Shapiro.
	There'd be no Seb Gorka.
	There would be no Dan Bongino.
	All of these hosts.
	I don't work for Cumulus.
	I'm just saying.
	Just pointing out.
	If that's the standard.
	I gotta give full credit.
	Dan Bongino, Chris Plant.
	These are all Cumulus.
	Larry O'Connor.
	They're taking the fight to their intolerant overlords.
	So what's your plan?
	First things first.
	First things first.
	I'm going to just read out the contact details for Cumulus.
	Maybe you should tell them what you think of Amber being fired for making a joke about the bad pantsuit that the cackler was wearing.
	You can go to press at cumulus.com.
	You can write them a letter at 780 Johnson Ferry Road North Northeast Atlanta Georgia 30342 or just go to cumulusmedia.com.
	All the details are there.
	Cumulus.
	With a C, like the cloud, cumulusmedia.com and you can actually write them an email.
	What would you like our millions of listeners and viewers to do?
	Absolutely that.
	And I would also say that, you know, the left, I think what they do usually is terrible and for awful reasons, but they've given us a really nice blueprint about how to effect change in this country when you don't actually have political power.
	So, why don't people, if they're not comfortable boycotting, why don't they boycott?
	Listen to other radio stations.
	Find other hosts that you like.
	That's part of it.
	Stop listening.
	Two, why don't you find out who advertises on WMAL and maybe ask them what they think about this situation.
	I have a pretty good feeling, knowing some of those people who buy ads on that network, they actually agree with a lot of the values that are being espoused and that's why they like to spend their money there.
	If they find out that Cumulus is actively undermining those values, I think they might have a problem with that.
	Funny how that works.
	Let's play hardball.
	You know, my company, Salem, Could maybe poach some of these people.
	Just a thought, guys.
	You know who you are.
	Dave, Phil, Tom, Ed.
	You know who you are.
	We've been talking to Anne Beatty.
	The discussion has just started.
	But follow her on Twitter.
	Washington editor for The Spectator.
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	Yep.
	Okay.
	Anything you want to use this segment?
	Videos or anything?
	I might, so Jeff, would you walk Amber down?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Thank you.
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	I forgot to tell you this, Jeff.
	Matt Gaetz is going to come on tomorrow, right?
	Will you reach out and make that happen?
	Because he texted me earlier today.
	He asked for some help on Sunday.
	He said, what should I ask Secretary Austin, the guy who likes CRT, because he's going to be in front of our committee.
	And I said, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	There's a couple of things to do with National Defense University.
	And he fried Lloyd Austin, that disgrace.
	Just listen to what happened today in Congress.
	Cut it.
	Your own people brief us that we are behind and that China is winning.
	Are you aware of the briefings we get on hypersonics?
	I am certainly aware of briefings that we provide to Congress.
	But it's not just the hypersonic.
	It's all over the world.
	It's in Taiwan, where China last year flew more sorties than ever before.
	It's North Korea, on pace to shatter prior records, the number of missiles that they are testing.
	And so while everyone else in the world seems to be developing capabilities and being more strategic, we got time to embrace critical race theory at West Point, to embrace socialism at the National Defense University, to do mandatory pronoun training.
	Again, this is the most capable, the most combat-critical force in the world.
	It has been, and it will be so going forward.
	Not if we can take you down this path.
	Not if we embrace socialism.
	The fact that you're embarrassed by your country... Oh, no, no, no.
	I'm embarrassed by your leadership.
	I am not embarrassed for my country.
	I wish we were not losing to China.
	You know what?
	That is so disgraceful that you would sit here and conflate your failures with the failures of the uniformed service members.
	You guys said that Russia would overrun Ukraine in 36 days.
	You said that the Taliban would be kept at bay for months.
	You totally blew those calls.
	And maybe we would be better at them if the National Defense University actually worked a little more on strategy and a little less on wokeism.
	Has it occurred to you that Russia has not overrun Ukraine because of what we've done and our allies have done?
	Have you ever even thought about that?
	That was baked into your flawed assessment.
	I saw that the Obama administration tried to destroy our military by starving it of resources, and it seems the Biden administration is trying to destroy our military by force-feeding it wokeism.
	I yield back.
	God bless.
	What do you think?
	How do you like that, Mr. G?
	Wasn't that impressive?
	That's one of his better ones, seriously.
	I thought it was really good.
	Yeah.
	You know, it depends on who preps you, you know what I mean?
	It was good prep.
	It was good prep.
	So, seriously, look at the underhanded.
	I mean, truly, that is straight out of the Daily Beast.
	What's that guy, Zachy Pooh, who's being sued for $15 million?
	Who does he work for?
	Eric, who does he work for?
	Daily Beast.
	Daily Beast.
	Straight out of the, you know, steel dossier DNC Central smear machine.
	Oh, you're asking me a hard question about why I'm an incompetent buffoon.
	I don't like why you don't like America.
	Really?
	You're the guy who allows critical race theory to be taught at West Point.
	You're the guy who's having lectures at the chairman of the Joint Chiefs University, where I used to work, National Defense University, Fort McNair, in DC, the oldest military base in the nation, about why socialism is the answer for America.
	But you dare to attack Matt Gaetz?
	Who's a bigger patriot than you'll ever be, because you may have worn a uniform, but you sold your nation down the river.
	You're a sellout.
	You're a traitor to the values that uniform imbues.
	The second you became a big mucky muck at Raytheon, the second you actually said, CRT, yeah, that's fine.
	That's fine.
	And we need gender awareness training in the U.S.
	military.
	You stood down the U.S.
	military for 60 days to hunt for Extremists.
	Who believe in pro-life.
	Not Black Lives Matter.
	Not the killers from Antifa who are firebombing federal buildings with employees inside.
	No, no, no.
	MAGA hat-wearing radicals.
	You're a seditionist traitor is what you are.
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	Uh, title for A-Thief.
	Um... What's a good eyeball catching... Fired by a conservative station or something like that?
	Oh.
	Conservative host fired by conservative station.
	Conservative second time in quotes?
	No, no, no, that's fine.
	Okay.
	Also the pre-record.
	record with That's a good title.
	Something working in like how transgenderism is basically blasphemous.
	Oh, um, that's good.
	Yeah.
	The blasphemy of transgenderism.
	The demonic contagion that is transgenderism.
	What?
	I've said for a long time we should have an absolute zero tolerance approach to the transgenderism stuff because that is just once you mainstream that then everything is off the table at that point.
	Well it started you know a long time ago when you say a man can marry a man.
	I just think you have to make fun of it more.
	I feel like we don't make fun of it enough.
	We treat it with, you know, like... You mean the transgenderism?
	Yeah.
	I agree.
	I think it's gotta be the biggest joke.
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	I gotta pivot a drop, I hope you don't mind.
	Austin and Millie, They are into the sissyism of the American military, okay?
	And I'm outraged.
	I'm outraged with this transgender encouragement and going behind parents' backs in school.
	Do you know that?
	And they give them hormones and whatever.
	I wonder how many suicides are there, by the way.
	No one talks about that.
	Talk about power of suggestion.
	When you're dealing with little kids and young kids, the power of suggestion is very strong, very powerful, and very dangerous.
	And they know it.
	And they know it.
	So that's Dr. Gorka.
	I'm actually talking about Zelensky.
	You opened up your show talking about corruption, whatever.
	Yes, Ukraine is corrupt and whatever with the oligarchs and blah blah blah.
	But I'm going to compare Zelensky, I feel, to President Trump, which President Trump came in.
	He inherited a corrupt bunch in Washington, including the swamp and all.
	And I think Zelensky had the same thing.
	He inherited this bunch as well.
	And he is, in my opinion, a true commander-in-chief in Ukraine.
	Hang on, hang on.
	This is really important.
	This is superb, Judy.
	Yes, absolutely.
	Because he was also an outsider.
	He was an actor.
	He was a comedian.
	And he decided to stay and fight.
	The comparison is superb.
	Thank you, Judy.
	Let's squeeze in one more called Brian in Cleveland.
	Welcome!
	Hey, Dr. G, hey.
	Question.
	Who is actually going to hold Putin responsible?
	It's not going to be Mr. Potato Head on Pennsylvania Avenue.
	It's not our DOD.
	Who's it going to be?
	The UN?
	NATO?
	Hang on, hang on.
	Don't you mean the United Nations that was created to prevent wars?
	Well... That was the original mandate!
	And they've done a pretty good job since 1945, haven't they, Brian?
	They've done a great job, yes.
	So, Korea, Vietnam, we can talk about all the wars in Africa, Afghanistan, Iraq.
	Wonderful job, Brian.
	So, no, it's not going to be the UN.
	The only person who's going to keep Putin responsible is a president who has the gumption, the spine, to do something about it.
	I know somebody like that, and he's my former boss.
	Great call.
	Thank you, Judy.
	Thank you, Brian.
	We're going to have to wait three years, but in the meantime, we've got to make sure that we trounce the Democrats in the midterms.
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	Hey, it's Jeff with Sebastian Gorka.
	Mike's are live on Rumble during commercial breaks, alright?
	Conrad!
	Dad.
	Yes, sir.
	Greetings to you.
	Greetings to you.
	I've just written a piece for the New York Sun.
	I don't know how I'm going to continue to come up with spectacular ways of describing how hopeless this administration is.
	I'm running out of adjectives.
	I know, you're going to have to get your, what did they used to say in Ronan Martins, look that up in your Funk and Wagner.
	You're going to have to get a larger thesaurus.
	Yeah, in Australia they always say thesaurus, but put a very rude word in front of it.
	Well, I think we can dedicate the whole two segments to your piece in the Epoch Times.
	What's happened to the Democrat Party?
	It's sheer insanity.
	The whole thing is falling apart.
	The piece I'm just sending in to the New York Sun You know, Biden's last chance was to play the statesman in Ukraine, and it was easy.
	The Russians are in a mess.
	It would be easy to get a satisfactory solution.
	Let's tease that.
	And then when would that run?
	Would that be tomorrow in the New York Sun?
	Yeah.
	I mean, if you want, I'll send it to Jeff as soon as we finish.
	Please.
	All right.
	Standby.
	30 seconds.
	So much to discuss.
	Was that one of yours, the New York Sun?
	I was an investor with others.
	Okay, but it wasn't part of Hollinger.
	They've relaunched it now, and it's quite a solid financial business now.
	Good.
	Excellent.
	Stand by 20 seconds.
	Stand by.
	All right, you've got the books and everything.
	Yes.
	Yep, podcast here, 15 seconds.
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	This is America First, and here's your host, Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	Are you supposed to admit that you have favorite guests?
	No, that's naughty, you can't do that, but we were saying, Eric, weren't we, that there are some guests that you can just ask a question and let them talk and it's superb, right?
	They could talk for ten, this guy could talk for ten minutes straight and you would never be bored of watching.
	Never be bored.
	That goes for all of our guests, but especially one of our regulars, along with the great Victor Davis Hanson, his co-host for the podcast Scholars in Sense, along with Bill Bennett, none other than Lord Conrad Black, who regales us every week.
	Lord Black, welcome back to America First.
	Thanks Sebastian, you're flattering me.
	What happens is you ask me questions and I feel I answer too late probably, but... No, no, no, not at all.
	Well, your latest piece in the Epoch Times, we're going to tease a little bit of a piece you are currently submitting to the New York, what is it, the New York Sun?
	Yes.
	We're going to talk about that maybe in the next block.
	But the piece that you've just written is, Biden has sunk the progressive option.
	And there's one sentence in here that I think nails it.
	The presidency of Biden has failed so badly and so quickly that it has made the Democrat Party synonymous with bad policies.
	Now, you are a historian of note.
	You're a person who understands the media and American politics like A few others.
	You've written biographies of Nixon, of FDR, of my former boss, President Trump.
	If a Martian landed, a Venusian landed tomorrow, and you had to explain to them what the Democrat Party had represented until recently, what would the taxonomy be?
	And then we'll go to what it is today.
	Yeah, well, look, historically it is a great party.
	It was founded by Jefferson and Madison.
	And, you know, up to the Civil War, it ran, frankly, a bit of a scam, masquerading in the South as the party, not explicitly of slaveholders, but defending the South and making the Union work for the South.
	And then the North, it ran as the party that could keep the South in the Union.
	And then it all came apart in the Civil War, and they were out of office for a long time.
	But they came back after the collapse of the economy in the end of the 1920s, and Franklin D. Roosevelt built a new party, which is still open to considerable controversy in some of the things it did, but it did get the country out of the Depression.
	It did see the danger in the world And they maneuvered the isolationists to help keep Britain and Canada in the war, and then led the Allies to an overwhelming victory in the most just war in history, except for perhaps the U.S.
	Civil War.
	And Roosevelt and Truman and Adlai Stevenson and John F. Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson and Hubert Humphrey were sensible, reasonable centrists.
	I mean, they were A little more generous on the redistribution side than the Republicans, but they were well in the mainstream.
	They were reformers, but reasonable people who gave ethnic groups, the African Americans, all sorts of people who felt somewhat or altogether left out of American public life and policymaking, gave them a sense of participation.
	And if we use modern terms, such as branding, from the layman's perspective, this is the party that branded itself, at least by the 1970s and 80s, as the party, not explicitly perhaps of the working class, but for the underdog, for the less privileged, and with some... Exactly, but also the academics, The working press and a lot of the middle class.
	You know, it was no left-wing party.
	It was more reform-minded than the Republicans.
	But the fact is, you know, the very distinguished Republican leader, General Dwight D. Eisenhower, came into office after five straight terms of Roosevelt and Truman, and he really didn't change anything that the Democrats had done, despite all the rhetoric that had gone on.
	And he built on that, and he was a distinguished president also, but of a slightly different ideology.
	But look, it was a mainstream party, and the Republicans were also, and they both generally put up good candidates, and both sides came to bat.
	And in general, they gave the country damn good leaders.
	I mean, Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon.
	Reagan.
	They were all very good, I think.
	But now, they've had one of their periodic collapses.
	I mean, in 1972, they went right over the cliff and nominated a wingy leftist, George McGovern, an amiable little chap.
	I met him a few times, but the idea of him as president was just preposterous.
	And Nixon buried him by 18 million votes are still the biggest plurality that anyone has had, even though the electorate is now twice as large.
	But they didn't elect him, they just nominated him and he lost.
	You call it the kamikaze candidacy of McGovern in 72.
	Well it was, it was insane.
	I mean it's the New York Times who did endorse him, said he was proposing terms to end the Vietnam War Harsher and more humiliating to the United States than the North Vietnamese government was asking for.
	I mean, that's what the Democrats came up with.
	But he wasn't elected.
	They came back to their senses, and the next election that produced Jimmy Carter was no prize, but he was at least a plausible president.
	But here, they're actually in office, enacting or trying to enact a program that is in fact A suicide pact.
	I mean, let's focus here on I think the best summation or the most succinct expression of what you've described with that one anomaly of McGovern is that this is a mainstream party.
	That's the most important adjective.
	Now, let's go back to our Venusian interlocutor.
	How would you describe what has happened to that erstwhile mainstream party, Lord Black?
	It's almost impossible to describe it in a way that would make sense to the arriving Martian you described.
	In fairness to Bill Clinton, he wasn't an extremist.
	There's certainly room for a lot of discussion about him as a person and as a president, but he wasn't an extremist.
	Obama was too much for me, but he at least He was an intelligent, competent man.
	Again, his attractions are somewhat lost on me, but I can see that he was a formidable, highly intelligent, articulate political leader.
	And it was a great thing to break the glass ceiling and have a non-white president.
	I can't think of a more absurd reason for deciding out of both than what some skin color is.
	But here we now have a party that, in the name of a unity program between the center, supposedly represented by Joe Biden, and the left, represented by Senator Bernie Sanders, produced this compromise program.
	But in fact, it was an absolute pastiche of every harebrained left-wing position.
	And instead of getting bits and pieces of it, but presented gradually and with moderate modifications, as was represented during the campaign by the media that ran Biden's campaign forums, he sat in his basement in Delaware, listening to as he put up a can of the geese, Canadian geese he called them, because it was a matter of nationality.
	And we have a program that they have presented that is a far-left series of absolutely insane proposals in every field.
	And your listeners all know this as well as I do.
	We don't have to recite them, but just in case anyone has had a moment of mental abstention from grim facts of current political life, The country has the highest illegal immigration and the highest gasoline prices in its history, the highest inflation in 40 years, the worst humiliation in Afghanistan since General Hull surrendered to the Canadians and the British at Detroit in the War of 1812.
	And no understandable war ends in Ukraine.
	It's not clear what the objectives are.
	And it's the whole, you know, it's just a shambles.
	It's an absolute shambles.
	All of it is a shambles.
	COVID's a shambles, the way they've been.
	We have five-year-olds with these masks on.
	Yeah, there is a question some of my other radio colleagues ask, and I know it's rhetorical, but it does provide a certain illumination.
	If there were an administration that actually wanted to undermine the United States, which it represents, Would they do anything differently than the current incumbent and his quote-unquote team?
	We're talking to Lord Conrad Black.
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	He is the author of A Matter of Principle, the autobiography.
	The Flight of the Eagle, the grand strategies that brought America from colonial dependence to world power.
	Then the FDR tome, Champion of Freedom.
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	He is the co-host with victor davis hansen with bill bennett of scholars and sense we'll be back with a little black after these messages stay with us here on america first commentary at so closely here
	Is there anybody who has a D behind their name who sees what everybody else who's sane sees and that you just described?
	What do they have behind their name?
	A D, a Democrat.
	Is there any Democrat who sees what the Democrats have done to themselves?
	Look, I think so.
	I mean, I think they are really scared.
	I see that Schumer has allegedly advised Biden that there's no way he can bring The nomination of the mayor of Los Angeles to be ambassador to India to vote, which means that they've lost some Democrats in that one vote.
	I mean, it was an asinine appointment anyway, like a lot of Bidens have been, although not as bad as that lunatic that was put in the EPA and that Comey wanted to put on the Federal Reserve and so on.
	But, you know, Garceta as ambassador to India is just nonsense, and that's a very important country and a very complicated country, and yet there's so much Syria out there, and particularly since they're pretty good allies of the United States.
	But I think the wheels are coming off in all directions, and what I don't see is anyone in the Democratic Party trying to say, look, let's You know, we're on the five-yard line here with our own goalpost right behind us.
	Let's see what we can do here.
	Let's try and hold the line.
	Let's, you know, let's not just be swamped.
	Let's, you know, give it our best try.
	But nobody's doing it.
	They're all just running for cover.
	And, you know, to me, when the president interrupted a discussion of the Ukrainian crisis, By wasting the country's time with a lot of nonsense about transsexual matters.
	It was like a... If it had been anything humorous about it, it would be like a Peter Sellers movie.
	But Garcetti, I don't think the average American could care less who the ambassador to India is, sadly.
	No, but it's just indicative.
	But if you look at the Supreme Court nomination, they're not backing down on this person who can't define what a woman is, Conrad.
	Well, I think she just doesn't choose to.
	But look, I accept, everyone says she's a nice lady, and I can see that she is just from the interviews with her.
	I mean, apart from the fact that basically her interpretation of the law is whatever she wants it to be, you know, from the standpoint of an interventionist authoritarian liberal, she has a good word to say about Louis Farrakhan.
	Look, I have to tell you, I don't object so much to her position on possession of child pornography.
	It's hideous and horrible, but if you're not distributing it, Nobody's making money from it, and you just have it in your own home and nowhere else.
	I don't think that should be persecuted the way it is.
	I mean, that kind of person.
	I'm not talking about dissemination of it.
	That is a terrible thing.
	But that's a side issue.
	But I don't think she should... I don't think anyone should vote against her for that.
	But here's a woman who, you know, comes in and basically proclaims her admiration for Louis Spirochan.
	Yeah.
	Do we want that on the Supreme Court?
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	I feel very special because Lord Black has given me a peek at his next piece that will be out tomorrow in the New York Sun.
	But before we talk about the argument you make in that article, I have to play with you, given your experience at the hands of the US judicial system, your reaction to Joy Reid, who is well known for her homophobic posts on her blog, talking about the man you wrote a book on, President Trump, and how he seems to be immune from prosecution.
	Cut six.
	This current Justice Department has no problem, you know, hinting that they're going to look at Hunter Biden.
	It feels, I mean, I think just to folks who are not professional prosecutors and not experienced with the DOJ, like there is one standard for Democrats and another for Republicans.
	Trump is starting to look untouchable.
	The idea that Democrats get a hard time at the hand of the judiciary, but people like President Trump are handled with kid gloves, Lord Black.
	It is almost too contemptible to demean your listeners and ourselves by replying to it.
	I have to say, that is the most asinine comment I've ever heard from her, and I don't watch or listen to her often, but she's never said anything sensible in the many times I've heard her.
	She's always utterly stupid and completely biased, but that is one for the record books.
	I mean, the fact is, There is no doubt that the chief prosecutor in the Southern District of New York, Bragg, acknowledged that they had done everything they could to find the grounds to proceed with a charge against President Trump, and they couldn't find one.
	Now, the United States is a country where, in federal criminal cases, 98% of accusations lead to some sort of conviction, and 95% of those without a trial.
	It's an evil system, and Americans shouldn't be proud of it, and they shouldn't tolerate it in its present form.
	I mean, that's just a conveyor belt of a prison, so it isn't really a system of justice.
	And even at that, Yeah, absolutely.
	They can't find anything to throw at him.
	Nothing.
	The reason they're not charging him is he didn't commit any crimes.
	Right.
	And the fact that Mueller had 50 FBI agents, 20 months and millions of dollars, hundreds of subpoenas and witnesses, and still nothing could be found is quite, quite remarkable.
	Lord Black, you make a point in your upcoming article On the perfect opportunity that has been handed this White House with regards to the conflict in Europe, but they're not taking it, are they?
	No.
	I mean, at the beginning of the war, when the Russians invaded in the last week in February, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Milley, who should have been court-martialed years ago, but he
	with the same genius that the chiefs showed in Afghanistan, said that he expected the Russians would occupy Kiev within three days, and President Biden said that he had offered a safe flight out for President Zelensky and his family.
	So the United States government, the military and civilian, were completely resigned to the Russians taking over, stamping out Ukrainian independence, and just crushing the project of democracy in that country of 40 million, just crushing its windpipe.
	They were resigned to that.
	then the They had trained hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians up to a high level of military capability and had armed them with a lot of good defensive weapons, anti-tank weapons and low-flying anti-aircraft and anti-helicopter weapons.
	And so they knew that the Ukrainians were going to put up a serious resistance, but that didn't register with them in terms of what they expected or predicted.
	And so if Biden is really left with a position that a Nixon or even, let's say, a JFK or let alone an Eisenhower or Truman or something could really make something of that.
	I mean, the fact is that the United States had raised NATO's advances of weapons to Ukraine sufficiently to really challenge the Russian position in Ukrainian airspace.
	It's defensive missiles.
	No one's talking about NATO planes going in there and exchanging fire with Russia.
	We're talking about giving the Ukrainians a little more and better things to fight with.
	If he'd done that and started brokering a deal based on a genuine, internationally supervised referendum in the Russian areas, including Crimea, About whether they wish to be Russian or Ukrainian, and apart from that, the Russians would leave Ukraine.
	Ukraine's security would be guaranteed by all of NATO and Russia, but it wouldn't be a member of NATO.
	That would have worked.
	The Ukrainians would accept that, and the Russians could take that, and presumably they'd pick up some of the Donbass, if not all of it, and Putin could say that he accomplished something.
	And the Americans, Biden could have done it.
	He'd have laid that position out.
	and advocated and armed up the Ukrainians to get parity on the ground and in the air over Ukraine quickly.
	If you've got a stalemated war, both sides will want to end it.
	But he didn't do anything.
	He went and said, repeated, like a 19th century elocution school student saying, C-A-T spells cast.
	He said, we're defending every square inch of NATO territory.
	Nobody's threatening NATO territory.
	I mean, you might as well have said they were defending Paraguay or Uzbekistan.
	Do you have a theory, Lord Blanco, why this administration is acting like a bystander in the biggest war on the Eurasian landmass since 1945?
	Well, I have a horrible feeling that for some reason, to me, is completely inexplicable, they're afraid of the Russians.
	They shouldn't have the Russians dealing for them with Iran.
	They shouldn't be dealing with Iran at all.
	Trump had that one right, like he had most of these things right.
	But they shouldn't have Russia in that role.
	They shouldn't have Russia in the energy role.
	It is where the insane green policies of the United States are, in effect, forcing up energy prices and financing this aggressive war that the United States otherwise condemns.
	But to judge from That terribly inarticulate and awkward, though I don't doubt it well, meaning man, the spokesperson for the Pentagon, Admiral or whatever his name is, Kirby, I think, he said it would be escalatory to approve what the Secretary of State had said a couple he said it would be escalatory to approve what the Secretary of State had said a couple of days before he did approve, namely the transmission to the Ukrainians of Polish warplanes,
	And, you know, that's escalatory.
	And, you know, that's escalatory.
	I mean, how could it be escalatory?
	I mean, how could it be escalatory?
	The Russians are all over Ukraine's airspace pounding the hell out of Ukraine's civil population.
	The Russians are all over Ukraine's airspace pounding the hell out of Ukraine's civil population.
	What is he talking about escalatory?
	What is he talking about escalatory?
	And then since when does the Pentagon briefing person contradict the Secretary of State?
	What would have happened if someone had done that to Henry Kissinger?
	It happens in this administration, and it truly seems as if we are condemned to witness more of the same for the next three years.
	Whichever book it is, I heartily recommend you start reading Lord Conrad Black's Library of Publications.
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	And that wasn't that wasn't part of Hollinger?
	Or was it?
	Who was it originally?
	Oh, well, originally was a group of New York businessmen, okay, pretty prominent ones, Roger Hurtog, and what's his name?
	Steinberg, I get there, you know, one of the tissues.
	It was a nice group, a very nice group.
	And And then we all put something in, you know, and then we helped them a bit.
	We gave them all our feed from the Daily Telegraph and things so they could put that in for free.
	And it was a good paper, it's just the economics weren't there.
	But they've come back at it as an internet paper.
	And, you know, I think its prospects are good.
	And I believe it's really, you know, Seth Lipsky's a good editor.
	And it's New York needs I mean, the Post is sound, the Journal is sound, the Times and the Daily News are not sound.
	But, you know, it needs a paper like that.
	It needs a, you know, it needs a thoughtful voice of that kind.
	I know the Lipsky name.
	Where was he previously?
	Seth Lipsky, he was the European editor and at one time, I think, the Asian editor of the Wall Street Journal.
	Yes.
	And he was the editor of the Jewish paper, The Advance, I think it's called.
	Uh-huh.
	Excellent.
	He was mainly in the Wall Street Journal, but in senior positions all around the world.
	All right, I'll have a closer look.
	Thank you so much, Conrad.
	And his wife, Amity Shlaes, is a very good historian.
	Oh, of course!
	Of course, that's why, that's why.
	Another biographer of... Yes, yes, the Forgotten Man.
	Yep, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Superb.
	Thank you so much, Conrad.
	Look forward to your new piece.
	Yep, thanks.
	Bye-bye.
	Uh, title for that?
	Bye-bye.
	Title for that.
	What was the phrase?
	Biden's just a bystander now.
	- No. - Uh-huh.
	One minute.
	Alright, so we've got all these great... Doocy... What else?
	Doocy.
	What else?
	Saki.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Doocy.
	The Romney cut.
	Oh, Romney, absolutely.
	It's the title of the livestream, so we... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It's a shortcut, too, so... Okay.
	Whoopi Goldberg.
	Whoopi.
	Alright.
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	We are doing MyPillow and PatriotMobile here.
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	Okay, I will do that.
	Alright.
	25 seconds. 25 seconds.
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	Not that the FBI is even sniffing and looking.
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	We are going to subpoena all his account records and this and that, and then all of a sudden we make the news.
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	The big news last night was the deadlocked vote in the Judiciary Committee of the Senate, 11 to 11, meaning that Ketanji Brown, the extremist's nomination for the Supreme Court, was deadlocked for the time being.
	Haven't heard anything since then.
	They were planning to have the vote, the final vote on her.
	On the floor of the Senate, Thursday or Friday, Mitt Romney voted against Judge Brown when she became a federal judge.
	Somebody doorstepped him in the tunnels underneath the Senate and asked him why he's voting for her now.
	Cut seven.
	In the prior confirmation, I was concerned that she was outside the mainstream, and as a result of our meeting for an hour together and reviewing her testimony before Congress, I became convinced that she's within the mainstream.
	She's also a highly qualified, intelligent, capable person, and I wish her the very best.
	So let's just track this.
	When you blocked her, when you voted against her, she was outside the mainstream.
	She was fringe.
	Now that we've heard her say, I can't define what a woman is, and we know her track record of giving the lightest, even the beneath the lightest sentence for paedophiles, for those that traffic in paedophilic pornography, giving 12 months to a man who raped his 13 year old niece.
	Now she's in the mainstream.
	I think we have to draw our own conclusions about Mitt Romney, but I do like to unleash Mr. G at this point.
	Romney, that comment, your reaction?
	PTSD.
	Explain.
	It was fuel for President Trump.
	It was like oxygen for the fire.
	couldn't handle the year onslaught of the media just destroying them.
	Trump, the opposite, enjoyed it and fought back harder.
	It was fuel for President Trump.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It's like oxygen for the fire.
	It made him better.
	So he's doing this because he's never recovered from the noogie in the high school, the dog on the roof of the car.
	Something happened.
	He's not the same person.
	I mean, we always knew that he was kind of a soft type of Republican, but not like this.
	This is ridiculous.
	Who does he think this plays with in Utah?
	That's what I... blows my mind.
	I have no idea.
	You're a coward, Mitt Romney.
	I mean, I think Mr. G may be right there.
	There may be some...
	Pathetic trauma he's suffering because the Washington Post wasn't nice to me with my binders of women.
	But seriously, you're a grown man!
	The media?
	Seriously?
	Have I been called a Nazi for four years or a white supremacist?
	How about having your wife attacked?
	Your children?
	And by the way, I'm not talking about President Trump.
	I'm talking about myself.
	But it's the same story.
	You don't see me or President Trump whining to the mainstream media, trying to be accepted by them again.
	Maybe they'll love me this time.
	No they won't.
	But deep down you know that.
	You're only doing this because you're a coward.
	Pierre Delecto has a pseudonym?
	Seriously?
	Mittens Mitt Romney?
	The man who went to dinner in Bedminster because he thought he could be the next secretary of state in the Trump administration.
	No.
	Bye bye, Mitt!
	And you're still smarting from that.
	That is how pathetic a not-man you are.
	If there's anybody who's renegotiated his chromosomes, my candidacy, my nomination goes to Mittens Mitten Romney Pierre Delecto.
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	I lost the pressure earlier.
	I hate that.
	And then midway through the last segment it Just shot me back, and now I can't get it to stay not leaning back.
	Oh, it went back.
	Yeah, it went backwards, so I was leaning back the entire time.
	Every time I see a clip like that of Romney, all I can think is, I want my vote back, dammit.
	My first presidential election.
	If he's not going to oppose her, what judge would he ever oppose?
	Of course.
	Yeah, right.
	Right, right, right.
	Jeff's right, and I also think, certainly, it was a bit, this sounds basic, but it was jealousy with him and McCain.
	They can't stand the Trump people.
	Totally.
	Totally.
	It's ego.
	It's ego.
	You reminded me of that hilarious picture of Trump with Romney, like at Marlowe's.
	Yeah, at the dining table.
	With him throwing a little crayon at his face.
	When he strung them along, yeah.
	Please, please sir, can I have some more?
	That was the funniest.
	Trump's grin in that picture.
	He knew what he did.
	Oh, I gotta call this guy up.
	Oh, bio!
	Oh, yeah.
	Let me get his campaign website here.
	Can you not just grow another pair of hands?
	Seriously, that's the second thing.
	Come on.
	I gotta get some radioactive waste in order to do that.
	Hang on.
	It's ringing on the far end.
	Oh yeah, here we go.
	Still ringing.
	You want the phones open for the last segment or no?
	I know there's too many stuff.
	Oh, can you get Casio number nine, Jeff?
	The full number eight.
	I want that reposted the full the full four minutes.
	Yeah, right.
	Says not on Romney.
	What's it?
	I've got his error.
	Did someone fix this printer?
	Uh, yeah.
	Yeah, Matt's good fit.
	All I needed apparently was toner cartridge.
	It did something just print out of your printer?
	It is roared to life.
	That's, uh, that was me.
	That was me.
	Don't be scared.
	The, uh, they see by movement.
	Printers do.
	Okay.
	Here it is.
	Thanks.
	Yeah, hi.
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	So CPAC, was it CPAC?
	It was CPAC, right?
	Seemed like years ago.
	It wasn't.
	Feels like a long time ago, doesn't it, Mr. G?
	Yeah, it does.
	It does.
	And I'm there, waiting to do a little Newsmax hit from the podium at the back.
	And there's a very handsome, tall chap looking there, looking very military.
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	Jake Beckett, welcome to the Salem Radio Network.
	Hey, it's great to be on with you.
	Thanks for having me on.
	So tell us, what is this crazy thing you've decided to do now, Jake?
	Well, I'm running for U.S.
	Senate.
	As you and your listeners know, we don't just need Republicans, empty-suit rhinos who have an R next to their name.
	We need conservative warriors.
	And that's me.
	I'm not a career politician.
	I'm an outsider.
	I come from an athletic background.
	I played for the University of Arkansas, New England Patriots, and then I come from a military background.
	After my football career ended, I decided to enlist in the infantry, become an infantry officer, go through a ranger school and deploy to Iraq at the 101st Airborne Division.
	And I'm going to D.C.
	because we need America's first Patriots who aren't going there to cash a paycheck or get their name on the door.
	They're going there to fight and going there to win.
	That's why I'm in this race.
	Because the people of Arkansas are sick and tired of these invisible, empty-suit rhinos who say one thing to the voters and then do another behind closed doors.
	Yeah, there's a video from somebody you're running against in your race.
	Who, it was surreptitiously taken, it's on Twitter right now, an individual who paints himself as a Trump supporter, has an endorsement, and then unbeknownst to him he talks about how, you know, the insurrection is bad, I don't support Trump, so there's some really bad rhinos already in your race, correct Jake?
	Yes, you're exactly right.
	I'm challenging an incumbent, a 22-year career politician who's been in D.C.
	since around 9-11.
	And, you know, he's one of these guys, these classic rhinos, who, you know, only stands with President Trump when it stands to benefit him.
	And, you know, he thought he was having a candid conversation, and he, you know, he laughed at President Trump's concerns about election integrity.
	He mocked him.
	And not just President Trump, but the millions of Arkansans and America First patriots who have real concerns about the 2020 election and about election integrity.
	We can't have a constitutional republic if we don't have confidence and faith in our electoral process.
	And in this video, he laughs at that.
	He compares Trump's concerns over 2020 to Al Gore's claims in Florida in the year 2000.
	He called concerns about the 2020 elections crazy.
	He actually used the word crazy.
	And these are things that are offensive to Republicans in Arkansas.
	They're offensive to conservatives and America First Patriots around the country.
	And I think it's a symptom of a wider disease in D.C.
	You've got these rhinos who they memorize talking points.
	They say one thing to deceive their voters.
	They get elected term after term, year after year, and they go to D.C., and they say a different thing behind closed doors, and they vote a different way when it comes down to it.
	I'm not going to be one of those guys.
	I'm going to be someone who goes to the mat to the people of Arkansas every single day of the week.
	All right, you can follow him on Twitter, JakeBeckett91.
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	You've served this nation already honorably in uniform with the 101st.
	We've got a minute left.
	I want to know, Jake, was there one thing, was there a moment, was there an incident that made you decide Okay, I've had enough of the rhinos, I've had enough of the swamp, and I'm going to run for the Senate in Arkansas?
	Absolutely.
	When I came home from Iraq, it was right before 2020, right before the pandemic, and all the insanity as our country has unraveled.
	And I saw some of the same things, the looting, the violence, the destruction of our economy.
	I saw some of the same things in the places that I love that I saw over in Mosul, Iraq.
	I just said that was unacceptable.
	You know, we've got to have real leaders, people who have the spirit of 1776, real patriots who have the mentality of our founding generation, who are willing to go to D.C.
	and make it a service and a sacrifice and actually fight for their constituents.
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	All right, so where was I?
	We said Mitt, Fauci... Plain Mitt.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, no, no.
	For Cassio.
	For Cassio, right.
	Maybe the Joy Reid one?
	No, you said in the full gates.
	The full gates.
	Yeah, Fauci, full gates, Romney.
	That's good.
	That's good.
	And let's get that cut one again.
	That was good.
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	Okay.
	Did you see this video of Biden at the White House?
	Big dissed by everybody.
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	Yeah.
	He's walking around like the guy in the old people's home is lost.
	Staring out the window, despondently.
	And he wants people to look at him and nobody's looking at him.
	We've got to get the best cuts we've had of him and I'll put them together as a supercut.
	Oh, that's a good idea.
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	I can see it and I believe it honestly for no other reason than he probably gets a thrill out of it at this point.
	John Jr.
	I think he might smell blood in the water.
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	I think with all these leftist outlets actually coming after the White House a little bit by little bit, we saw it in January start to happen, I think he might be like a shark smelling blood in the water.
	Ready for the coup de grâce.
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	Mr. G, what do you think?
	I just think Saki's been calling on him more because she wants more Saki bombs to get more money out of MSNBC.
	See, the cynic brings it.
	It's a negotiating tactic from Peppermint Patty.
	Let's listen to the latest.
	I love Pete Doocy.
	Cut to 10.
	And one about this new law in Florida.
	At what age does the White House think that students should be taught about sexual orientation and gender identity?
	Well, I would say, first of all, Peter, we have spoken to the Don't Say Gay Bill in the past, I believe is what you're referring to, and made clear that as we look at this law, what we think it's a reflection of is politicians in Florida propagating misinformed, hateful policies that do absolutely nothing to address the real issue.
	So you should talk about sex with seven-year-olds.
	Unbelievable.
	But that's not everything!
	Cut 11!
	So if you guys oppose this law that bans classroom instruction about sexual orientation and gender identity in K-3, does the White House support that kind of classroom instruction before kindergarten?
	Do you have examples of schools in Florida that are teaching kindergartners about sex education?
	I think that's a relevant question because I think this is a politically charged, harsh law that is putting parents and LGBTQ plus kids in a very difficult, heartbreaking circumstance.
	And so I actually think that's a pretty relevant question.
	Hey Cupcake, you're the spokesperson.
	You don't ask the questions.
	Okay?
	Job confusion there, Peppermint Patty.
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	The End
	The End Can you provide a definition for the word woman?
	Can I provide a definition?
	Yeah.
	I can't.
	You can't?
	Not in this context.
	I'm not a biologist.
	So you believe the meaning of the word woman is so unclear and controversial that you can't give me a definition?
	Uh, definition of a woman?
	Uh, no, I can't!
	Uh... Why not?
	You're a judge.
	You're a federal judge.
	And you've been nominated to the highest court in the land because you are a black woman.
	The insanity.
	Could you imagine if that were a hearing just a few years ago?
	Let's unpack it all and let's talk about what we do in response to the insanity with somebody who's become a good friend of this show.
	She's a true patriot.
	Her name is Morgan Zegers.
	She is the founder of Young Americans Against Socialism, and I don't know if I can say it yet, but I'm gonna!
	The newest member of the Salem podcast faculty.
	Morgan, welcome to One on One.
	Thank you so much for having me.
	I appreciate it.
	All right, we have so much to discuss today, not just your new podcast, but your new series of The Testimony.
	We will discuss all of that.
	Let's start with what we're witnessing in D.C., what we're witnessing across the nation with Will Thomas, the fake female high school swimming athlete, then Judge Katanji Brown saying, woman?
	Of course I can't define what a woman is.
	You're not of my generation, but I presume you think as well as I do that this is sheer lunacy.
	I absolutely do.
	And I actually, first of all, thanks for having me on again.
	I haven't seen you since this most recent thing happened to me, but I got invited to speak at Colorado School of Mines.
	And I was invited to speak about history because I'm known for caring about things like communism and America's founding.
	And I arrived to campus and there's all these posters, Sebastian, of human rights activism.
	And there was 40 students out there protesting me for being a transphobe and a misogynist.
	And I found out it was because I did a few videos on women's sports and on the differences between a man and a woman.
	And I even dared to cover the story of the ninth grader that was raped in a school bathroom, a girls' bathroom, by a boy in a skirt.
	And so to see that and to have them call me a woman, a misogynist, which the definition of that is to hate and hurt women, it was pretty crazy.
	And like you said, it's lunacy.
	So I think it's more important than ever for both men and women with common sense, with sanity in their brains, to just address the basic scientific facts.
	And that is that men and women are different.
	And I think when we don't address that, it really hurts women and it hurts our society.
	Hang on a second.
	The Colorado College or University of Mines?
	I would presume if you're mining, then the truth, science, engineering, the load-bearing capacity of a girder and a beam in a mine, these things are pretty objective and non-negotiable.
	How are you as a diminutive American woman accused of being a misogynist at the Colorado University of mining?
	Well, it's this whole thing, right?
	I mean, they care about gender inequality and they care about women's rights.
	But then at the same time, they tell us that gender is a social construct and that there isn't a woman or a man and they can't even define a woman.
	So none of it really makes sense, at least for the liberals and the left.
	For me, they tell me and they tell a lot of my conservative female friends that we are problematic because our conservative views are hurting women.
	And so that makes us misogynists, even though we are women, which is just trying to, you know, try and follow along with me here.
	But swimming as a man against women and destroying their futures, that's not hurtful to women, right, Morgan?
	Oh, of course not.
	I mean, we don't deserve fairness and competition.
	So it turns out that these students, it turns out the actual group that was there to protest me, guess what they were?
	They were the female engineering club at the campus.
	And so the women that are supposed to be very educated in science and very for, I would say, women's empowerment, saw a female speaker coming who had defended women's sports, defended fairness for women and women's equality, like I always do, and they decided to protest me.
	Not only to protest me, but they wanted my presence removed from campus.
	So this stuff is just disgusting once you start looking into it.
	They really don't care about protecting women.
	They just want to promote anybody who promotes their own agenda, and I don't do that.
	Yeah.
	It's tolerance for those who agree with them.
	We're talking to Morgan Zegers, the founder of Young Americans Against Socialism.
	She has a rather superb social media presence.
	Follow her, Morgan Zegers, that's Z-E-G-E-R-S.
	Everything from handicrafts to the truth about communism to what your daily carry should be when it comes to concealed carry weapons.
	Morgan Zegers is right there for you.
	However, I'm going to do something very indiscreet and impolitic.
	How young are you, Morgan?
	I'm 25 now.
	25.
	So here's the real conundrum.
	It's easy for me.
	My parents were persecuted under a communist regime.
	My father was liberated from a communist political prison.
	How does a 25-year-old born in America end up being as anti-communist?
	Some who have listened have heard your story before, but it was a long time ago.
	So share with us your incredible college story that kind of lit the fuse.
	Yeah, so I went to American University in Washington, D.C., and my roommate was a communist with a poster of Mao Zedong, Lenin, Stalin, Karl Marx, and Fidel Castro on her wall.
	And as she has these mass murderers and dictators on the wall, she was telling me that her ideas, the similar ideas to the men on the poster, they were going to end poverty in America and uplift the working class and bring progress and all the usual talking points.
	And something in my brain just didn't compute.
	And not only that, I mean, I knew that that didn't add up.
	But I just didn't know what to say to her.
	And so that really sent me on a mission to help young people in America that understand at the core that, you know, these guys were really bad mass murderers and dictators, but we just don't know what to say to our peers that are falling for it.
	I want to help equip them with the truth and equip them with the way to have a conversation that could change a heart and minds.
	Because what really inspires me, there's this Michigan State University study that said the best way to change a young person's opinion with an opposing viewpoint is actually hearing it from a peer, not from a parent or a professor.
	So we really like to use that concept of peer rationale to reach as many young people as possible.
	Yeah.
	And the way you told it before is that she had this poster of, you know, "Welcome to the party" with the world's greatest mass murderers on the left, including Mao, who killed tens of millions of Chinese.
	And when she said you were, she said, I'm a communist, you're kind of dumbstruck.
	You knew it was wrong, but you didn't know what to say.
	So was that the point at which you said, okay, it's time for me to educate myself.
	So I have something to say in response.
	Walk us through what happened afterwards.
	Well, yeah.
	So my dad is a colonel in the military.
	He served in Iraq, Operation Iraqi Freedom.
	He was there on the scene of 9-11 the day after cleaning up.
	And I was raised in a proud military family.
	We love history.
	We always watch History Channel together.
	And so you would think at least that I would know what to say if I met a communist with mass murders and dictators on the wall.
	But I didn't.
	And it was a really embarrassing moment for me because you'd think I'd be able to at least defend my basic values.
	And so understanding now that 70% of young Americans would currently vote for a socialist and are falling for these ideas, like my roommate, made me realize that it's not just me that's gonna get confronted and not know what to say, but so many of my peers.
	And so that really encouraged me to look into it.
	The more I looked into it, the more I was shocked, because the behavior and the tactics used by the American left today is consistent and repeated with the patterns used by radical leftists throughout history.
	So understanding what happened in previous countries Not only gives us better awareness and knowledge, but helps us fight back with what we're dealing with today.
	And where did you create your organization to fight socialism?
	And what mission did you create it with?
	So I started a nonprofit called Young Americans Against Socialism.
	And I started this in 2019.
	So way before COVID.
	And we would travel and do little short interviews, like five minute interviews.
	And we would interview people that escaped communism and socialism.
	So our first video is about five minutes.
	It interviewed a man who windsurfed from Cuba to the Florida Keys.
	And so that got 25 million views.
	And ever since then, we've been grassroots fundraising and trying to get the support that we needed to do proper productions where we can document and archive these stories so that the left can't erase them.
	Because that's what they're doing these days in America.
	They're preventing this information from being spread in the public education classrooms, and they are preventing it with mainstream media propaganda.
	And pop culture is pushing a pro-socialism, pro-communism, pro-Che Guevara-style socialism onto our youth.
	And so we want to fight back by making sure we're telling as many of these stories and documenting them as possible.
	So we're actually filming that first series right now where each episode is over an hour, it's a long-form discussion, and we're trying to interview as many people as possible.
	So you can go to fightsocialism.org if you want to help us and support us, if you want to subscribe to our channels where the episodes will live, or if you want to donate, we would love that.
	It's perhaps one of the most powerful things we can do to turn that love of communism around amongst the youngest in America.
	It's to tell those horrific stories of those who've escaped communism.
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	Morgan, let's talk about the way you affect change amongst those who believe that the deadliest ideology known to man that took more than a hundred million lives in the last century is a good thing.
	First, let's diagnose the situation.
	You're of that generation.
	Can you help us understand I know part of it is ignorance, but can you help us understand why more than 60% of those polled in your age group say, yeah, I'd like to see a socialist or communist America?
	What do they believe that is and who has indoctrinated them?
	Of course.
	And thank you for this, because it's the most important question.
	If we don't understand what we're up against and the true facts of it, then we're never going to be effective with our communication.
	And so effective communication is the most important thing.
	I mentioned earlier that basic concept from the Michigan State University study of peer rationale being the most effective way.
	So we take that, but we have to understand who we're even communicating to.
	If you look at these numbers of 70% of my generation want socialism over capitalism or would vote for a socialist, You have to understand that most of that group does not understand what it means to seize the means of production, to have the government... Hang on, you're using very technical terminology right now.
	So she's using the actual Marxist technical phraseology that to create socialism, which is the way station, which is the penultimate form of government prior to communism, The party, the revolutionaries, the true communists have to seize the means of production, which is the stuff, the factories, the things that make wealth have to be taken over by the party or the state.
	Sorry, not everybody's done their, you know, Karl Marx 101.
	So you're talking about a generation that has never heard of that phrase, correct?
	Exactly.
	And so to seize the means of production, to nationalize industry, and what I say is to take power away from the people and put it into the hands of the government, specifically with the economy, that is socialism.
	The people no longer have power.
	And so when you do that, it's very, very bad.
	Unfortunately, most people that say they want socialism have no idea that that's what they want.
	But here's the thing.
	There's a small, minute, but growing group in America of actual socialists, actual economic socialists and communists that do intend to do so.
	What they do is they understand our generation has no idea what that means, but they're going to push forward and use them as useful idiots.
	And so they tell my generation, oh no, our democratic socialism will just look more like something in, in Nordic Europe, where they have the government help the people and are helping the people with, with services and goods.
	And they help them with welfare programs.
	When in reality, Nordic Europe has private economy.
	It has a capitalist economy, and they have huge welfare programs.
	There's a major difference, and when I communicate with my peers, that is really the number one thing to talk to them about, is the difference between a Venezuelan socialist economy and the economy of Nordic Europe.
	They're two completely different conversations, and they're being lied to right now.
	Now, this is what every socialist in history has done, though, called themselves a democratic socialist.
	Fidel Castro called himself a democratic humanitarian.
	So once we can start to understand their repeated tactics, it becomes a lot easier to make our generation more aware that they're being lied to and they're being used.
	For those who aren't familiar with the actual background, for example, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez is a member of Congress, not because she was elected to the Democrat Party.
	She's actually a member of the Democratic Socialists of America, the DSA.
	So when Morgan says they're real socialists, that's not just the crazy people in Chopt, in Seattle, in Portland.
	They're actually members of Congress, like AOC and the Squad.
	OK.
	So that's the socialists who are true socialists.
	That's the reality of what the ignorant young people believe, that we're creating, you know, Denmark or Norway, despite the fact that we've had the prime minister of one of those countries say to Bernie Sanders at an event at Harvard, no, we're not socialists and stop calling my country a socialist country.
	Then tell us, who is it?
	Who's misinforming these people?
	Because it's not, you know, you don't have millions of kids saying, well, you know, communism is really what Sweden looks like.
	Somebody's telling them that.
	And who is it, Morgan?
	OK, so this is where it's really convoluted.
	There's multiple layers.
	The first problem comes in middle school and high school when the kids are not properly taught about economics or policy.
	And so instead of it being like a direct propaganda indoctrination camp, Where they're told socialism, communism, very, very good.
	Capitalism, bad.
	Instead, they're more so just taught about the Industrial Revolution.
	They're taught that capitalism is greed.
	Capitalism is the abuse of the worker.
	And good government stepped in to help protect people when the Industrial Revolution came up.
	Then you don't really learn much about socialism and communism.
	And then you go out, you graduate.
	All you know is that, ooh, capitalism is greedy.
	You are not, here's the thing.
	You are not properly taught that capitalism is the people having economic power.
	You and me and every other average Joe Schmo out in America.
	The people having economic and financial power to take care of themselves and to be reliant on themselves only.
	Not the government.
	Not the government specifically for life-saving and life-continuing services and goods.
	So capitalism is really power to the people.
	You do not learn this in school.
	So scratch that concept out.
	That anybody exits the public education system with basic information in their mind.
	Now, going into that, as they're on social media, they're seeing AOC go on Instagram Live and bake cookies and mix her margaritas like she does, and she just casually talks about, oh my God, those Republicans and conservatives, they're always saying that I'm some evil socialist, but I'm always trying to tell them that no, my socialism is different.
	So she talks to them on a peer-to-peer level, does things like goes on social media live from her kitchen and cooks with her boyfriend.
	And she talks about it from a very feel-good, heartwarming way.
	So these people don't have any ability, young people, they have no red flags go off in their head when they hear her crazy ideas, because to them, they've never even been taught that her language, her tactics, are red flag worthy to begin with.
	Does that make sense? - No, absolutely.
	And that's why you are such a trooper for the truth.
	The website is fightsocialism.org.
	You can follow her at Morgan Zegers.
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	And you've got to check out the new season of The Testimony, which I'm absolutely convinced of the fact.
	I came to this realization a few years ago.
	It's easy for us to try and educate others, those of us who haven't lived under socialism and communism, but when you actually hear it from somebody who's escaped a gulag in China, somebody who windsurfed across the seas for 60 miles to escape communist Cuba, it's a very, very, very different story.
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	Morgan, Thank you.
	Morgan, can you share with us some of the tips and the tools that have helped you in your mission to educate young Americans beyond introducing them to the stories of those who have escaped and survived communism?
	What are the angles?
	What are the modalities?
	What are the concepts?
	Because clearly they've been sold a bill of goods that socialism is about equality, it's fairness.
	How do you dismantle that?
	Okay, well we've covered a few of them.
	The first one is to just understand that when you see these crazy numbers in the polls that a majority of young people want socialism, understand that there's a big difference between the radicals like AOC who went to college and are fully red on Marx and want to actually try and implement socialism after it's been attempted and failed dozens of times in human history and led to massive suffering.
	You want to know what I call those people?
	I call them flat earthers of economics because they've seen it tried They've seen it fail, and not only seen it fail, but they've seen the massive suffering.
	There's no denying the massive suffering of this.
	They've seen it, and they say, I really think we can make it happen this time.
	I call them flat-earthers of economics.
	So let me just unpack that.
	These are the people, and we've seen this in all generations, who say, well, communism failed in 42 countries, but with different people at the helm in a different country, this time it could work.
	That's what you're talking about, correct?
	Absolutely.
	So explaining that and understanding that those people, those crazy people, that if they got power, many, many people would suffer and die.
	It's not funny to just laugh at that.
	It's very, very serious.
	And understanding that they are different than the young people who just haven't been taught about this information and would probably be on our side if they were explained the full situation is very important because you can't look at a young, naive person and say, well, I'm going to ship you off to Cuba if you keep this up.
	Instead, we should say, You want to know the best way to help people, empower them, and help them become individually self-reliant.
	The next thing is to stop saying socialism sucks because you only have one option for a deodorant or one option for whatever food that you want.
	We need to start to understand that socialism is not just bad because, yeah, the options for products are bad and the economy starts to suffer.
	No, what happens is the economy fails.
	The government is the only provider of major services and goods that you need to get by.
	And it's all about control.
	The problem with socialism is control.
	So they can start to tell you, you're not going to get XYZ service or good, including healthcare or your employment or your pension or your home, unless you start to comply with our demands.
	And that's where things get very, very dangerous and deadly.
	That is what is wrong with socialism.
	And we learned that during COVID, that the government can actually tell you, you're not going to get XYZ unless you comply.
	We felt that for the first time in American history, I would say.
	And it was shocking over the last three years.
	So understanding it's about control, understanding there's different groups, and then this, basically explaining that there's a difference between Nordic European economics and Venezuelan or USSR or Cuban-style socialism and communism is the next one.
	And the other one I would just say is that this is about power to the people.
	You hear all these rock songs and all these, you know, hippie music, especially from the 60s and 70s, that act like it was the government And the goal isn't to magically turn millions of young Americans into raging capitalists.
	and the bootlickers, when in reality, bringing power to the people means giving them economic and financial power to take care of themselves.
	That's what this is all about.
	And the goal isn't to magically turn millions of young Americans into raging capitalists.
	The goal is just to what, plant a seed that they're not so sure of the delightful utopia that is communism?
	Yeah.
	I mean, for how many years now we've been around We've been around for centuries in America.
	We've been on one foundation, classical liberalism and capitalism, or I should just say economic independence.
	Those two concepts used to be the foundation that we stood on and debated each other on over how to best solve our other problems.
	Now, we have this rising faction that completely rejects all of those principles.
	They're authoritarian, they're totalitarian, And they're socialists, and it's very, very dangerous.
	So they are not just our opponents on the debate stage.
	They want to demolish our way of life.
	And so what I like to say is that I'm sick of hearing conservatives specifically say that I just want to be left alone.
	I don't do politics.
	We need to do politics in a way that preserves our ability to be left alone.
	We need to do politics in that way because there's leftists out there, communists, that will destroy our way of life if they get power.
	It's not about party politics, it is about freedom.
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	Zegers, Z-E-G-E-R-S, Zegersfreedomflags.shop, go there.
	And let's do a little bit of an infomercial for you right now, Morgan.
	Describe the variety of handmade wooden flags, different finishes, available at your store.
	But don't mention the 5'1", because that's just me.
	Carry on.
	Oh well thank you.
	Well we started with just two foot and three foot but now we offer four and apparently I guess we could do the Gorka five foot flag if you want to reach out.
	But we do a variety of flags and I personally love the classic or the Betsy Ross.
	We do the auction with the circle of 13 original stars for the 13 original colonies during the Revolutionary War that was commissioned by George Washington.
	Um, I personally love if you just get the plain, no burn on the white, and then we do a deep burn on the red stripes so that the, the natural grain of the wood really pops out.
	I love making these flags and what we can offer too, we do a cedar option if you want to reach out to us.
	People like that cause it makes like their, their bedrooms smell nice and everything.
	So, so we can get creative.
	We also do many customizations.
	My dad loves playing with logos.
	He loves doing it for especially people that are retiring from the military or law enforcement.
	And we can really get creative.
	We also do state flags, but I will say it's a lot easier to do a Texas flag than a flag like Florida.
	One time I had to hand paint the Florida seal and that took me many days.
	What about the tyrant being killed on the Commonwealth of Virginia's flag?
	Have you ever done that?
	I have it.
	You know, I would love to though.
	All right, that might have to be a very special order.
	Zegasfreedomflags.shop.
	Do it today, guys.
	Seriously, you won't regret it.
	I've got one, two, three, four flags, I think, already.
	And I paid for most of them.
	Morgan, you mentioned COVID.
	How does COVID factor in to your mission when you talk about the threat of communism, less as a political or ideological one, but better understood in terms of a loss of freedom?
	Does the lockdowns, the masks, the vaccine mandates, the school closures, what have you witnessed?
	Is it helping people understand or has it actually been more destructive with more people being more afraid?
	What have you witnessed?
	Oh well this alone could be a one hour at least conversation.
	I was laughing because I went through my, I have like a little box of memorabilia and in that box is a late March 2020 article that I wrote for I think the Washington Times.
	about how if we look at history, we have to understand that the left uses moments of a crisis where people are scared and insecure to grab power.
	And not only that, but to normalize their very radical ideas that most people wouldn't usually support in a normal, happy, prosperous time.
	And I told the story about Vladimir Lenin, who during the 1891 famine in his country, he was very well to do.
	And he talks about how he specifically didn't want to help people get in a better situation during a famine.
	Because he knew that they had to feel downtrodden and desperate in order to get them to mentally be willing to support his crazy ideas one day for the future of Russia.
	And look how that went.
	And so even somebody like Lenin has addressed this.
	People use that often of, don't let a crisis go to waste.
	The left is very good at this.
	So I tried to warn about that.
	There's a video on my YouTube channel for the nonprofit in late March as well saying, do not give up your freedom in exchange for a false sense of security.
	Look at us now, almost three years later, and look where we are.
	It's very disturbing to me.
	It's very sad.
	People look at this and I, here's my evaluation.
	It could go one way or another, especially with young Americans.
	They are either going to grow up and despise the adults that put them through the problems they went through.
	The adults that made them suffer for so many years over this virus that kills less than 1% of the people that get it.
	Or they are going to grow up and think that this is the proper role of government in their lives.
	They have either been brainwashed to agree that this is what government should be able to tell us to do, whether we should put a mask on our face when it makes no sense or not, what they can shut down our business or not, or they're going to be completely anti-government.
	And I'm really, really worried at this point that it's going the wrong way against the tide of freedom.
	So if we could communicate to our generation, how dangerous this is, And communist China's role in it.
	I think it's going to be great, but we need to take on that responsibility.
	So you think Covid has actually made things worse?
	Absolutely.
	Wow.
	Well, God bless you for fighting all the harder.
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	Morgan, you are a trooper.
	In the scant few years I've got to know you, I've never seen you falter or shirk from your mission to stop socialism and communism in America.
	Would you tell us, has that cost you anything?
	What has been the personal consequences for you for being such a truth teller?
	Oh, I honestly, I am living the dream.
	I love this so much.
	It's an honor.
	And I do feel like I'm Providing a good service.
	I think life is all about service serving others And I'm concerned with my generation partly because this all goes down to a lack of moral character We don't live by a code anymore and that most important code is to serve others not yourself So we're a very selfish generation and I hope to fix that at the end of the day though I mean the left calls me sexist misogynist and a boot licker, which I think is hilarious because they actually lick the boot of the big corporations and big government the most.
	I believe in freedom.
	And so I get called all these weird words like white supremacist and Nazi and bigot.
	But it's really an honor because I think if a communist wants you to F off the way they tell me to all the time, I take that as a badge of pride.
	Any friendships lost because of your truth telling determination and courage?
	Plenty.
	But do you really want to be friends with someone that wants to try something like that in this country?
	I don't.
	No.
	All right.
	So what is your message?
	You're talking to millions of people across the nation from, you know, tough places like California all the way through Texas and back to the swamp in D.C.
	If they haven't taken a stand on these issues, where should they start and how do you convince them?
	What would you say to them about the enormity of the threat?
	Well, this is incredibly serious.
	I would say the most important thing for us to all do is better ourselves as individuals, focus on our families, focus on our communities and state-level power, and that will improve the country as a whole.
	If we start to understand what it actually means to organize on a community and neighborhood level, We will have massive political power and move this country forward in a better way.
	We need to rethink community, rethink our personal lifestyles and gain more independence away from the governments and the international supply chains around us.
	And we need to also rethink education.
	Those are the three key things to move this country in a better direction.
	When you say community rethinking, are you talking about being more engaged or more self-sufficient?
	What does that mean to you?
	All of those things.
	I think a lot of people are first of all worried about how many people are moving into communities that are more red and might turn them more purple.
	Well, one of the best things you can do is take that concept of pure rationale And introduce yourself to these new people, make sure that they feel a part of the community and that you communicate clearly to them as a friend.
	You don't have to go in and start lecturing to them, but make sure that you are going to be the one to take up the mantle and let these new people know just why your community was so worthy of being moved into.
	It was because of policies and not the policies of places like California and New York.
	There's a major difference.
	The next thing is to focus on self-reliance and building independence.
	Remember, socialism is so bad because it gives the government economic and financial control of you and your family.
	If you can take care of yourself, you're going to be in a much, much better place, and you can also help others from that position.
	If you're reliant on the government, they're going to be able to control you one day, one way or another.
	It's all about freedom.
	God bless you, Morgan Seggers.
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