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March 22, 2022 - Sebastian Gorka
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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Why is the GOP playing nice with Ketanji Brown?
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But look, today, my administration is issuing new warnings that, based on evolving intelligence, Russia may be planning a cyberattack against us.
As I said, the magnitude of Russia's cyber capacity is fairly consequential.
And it's coming.
The federal government is doing its part to get ready.
But under U.S.
law, as you all remember, the private sector, all of you, largely decides the protections that you will or will not take.
Does that sound like a statesman?
The cyber attack is coming, guys!
What does a statesman do?
Say, if you do that, we're going to shut down your economy.
We're going to attack you in the cyber domain in a way that will turn Russia back into the Stone Age.
Last time it happened, a week ago, when Putin threatened nuclear war, same thing.
Ooh, that would be bad.
Don't do it!
The right response is, you start that, and we will end it.
I'm Sebastian Gawker.
That was the man who sadly bears the title Commander-in-Chief and President of the United States.
You are listening to America First on the Salem Radio Network.
We have quite the show for you today.
We'll be talking to one of my White House colleagues.
We'll be talking to Congressman Matt Gaetz, Lord Conrad Black, Fox's Greg Jarrett, and a real champion fighting political correctness across the pond.
But first, let's go from the strategy of Ukraine To the soul of that conflict.
Let me share with you a piece I received that really, if you're an American who believes in America, you should agree with it.
As Russia's invasion of Ukraine now targets military bases and supply lines just miles from one of the busiest Polish border crossings, the letter Z has morphed from a proud symbol of Russian arms into a mark of Russian terror.
What did the nearly two million women and children passing through overwhelmed humanitarian corridors like this one ever do to have their homes, their hospitals, their farms, their businesses, the factories, let alone their very lives, destroyed by brute Russian aggression?
Ukraine's guilt is manifold.
She is guilty of not surrendering.
Guilty of ferociously fighting like lions against impossible odds.
They're guilty of standing up to the tyrant of a mighty and criminally aggressive neighbor to celebrate her national identity and independence.
But worst of all, Ukrainians are guilty of not succumbing to the ever-growing terror from the East, nor the neglect from the dazed and irresolute quote-unquote leadership of the Western alliance.
Ukraine now officially puts the number of its fighting war dead at more than 1,500.
But as in all wars, the heaviest price is paid by those who cannot fight back.
Those who couldn't find refuge, not even in the hospitals and apartment blocks targeted by Russian heavy guns.
Their numbers are unknown.
Ukraine's armed forces are now joined by a tragically growing but weaponless army of inconsolable mothers and orphaned children.
Recently vibrant urban landscapes rendered lifeless by Russian armor.
Tanks parked where cars once parked.
Apartment buildings without walls.
Homes without roofs.
And churches without spires.
The longer it takes Russia to occupy Ukraine, the more it's turning this country into heaps of unhabitable rubble.
The more valiant Ukrainian defenders stifle Putin's plans, the more he turns to vengeance in a war he has by no means yet lost.
What must go through the minds of the Russian soldiers as they get their orders to destroy civilian neighborhoods?
Do they think they right the wrongs against a Russia more sinned against than sinning?
Can they possibly think of themselves as real victims of Ukrainian aggression?
What is it they see themselves fighting for as they traduce the fields, the villages and the cities of this now godforsaken land?
Do they think whatever that is truly worth dying for?
These questions need not be asked of Ukraine's defenders.
They well know what they are fighting for and fighting against.
They are fighting for their homes, their families and their very lives.
Putin may deny the right of Ukraine to exist, but with every shell he lobs into the parks once filled with pram-pushing mothers, every artillery shell or vacuum bomb that rains down on maternity hospitals, Putin makes the Ukrainians' case for them.
Like so many times in the long lamentable history of this too often defaced land, Ukraine's national identity is being forged once again on the anvil of a brutal and unforgiving war.
Ukrainians are not Ukrainians, says the man who unleashed his massive terror army to destroy them.
They are really Russians, whose yearning to be reunited with their motherland is prevented by a gang of Nazis led by a five-foot-four Jewish comedian-turned-president elected with 74% of the vote.
But then, who are these non-existent Ukrainians fighting so ferociously that their self-appointed liberators must now call upon their blood-soaked Syrian mercenary brothers to assist them?
If the war is, as Putin says, about the very existence of Ukraine, then Putin has already lost.
To those blame-America-firsters who proclaim that it was NATO that somehow provoked this war, how is it that none of those thousands who pour through this border crossing every hour seem to believe so?
Orwell once opined that the first task of responsible citizens is to restate the obvious.
Here are a few indisputable but forgotten facts.
NATO is a defensive and open alliance that Russia has been repeatedly invited to join.
In 1991, in 1994, and in 1997.
In 2002, Russia and NATO created the joint Russia-NATO Council.
and in 1997.
In 2002, Russia and NATO created the Joint Russia-NATO Council.
So, where is the threat?
Not to mention the absurd notion that Russia, a country so large it stretches across 11 time zones, encompassing 10% of the Earth's entire landmass, somehow needs, quote, strategic depth.
What possible threat does it face?
Is it Estonia that's going to invade?
Russia and the Ukrainians are not enemies, or at least they didn't used to be.
However, every day that Ukrainians resist gives us another week or month or year of the kind of life our forebearers sacrificed for us here in America.
Every day they fight grants us another day to reflect on their struggle in a way that helps us recommit to protecting the blessings of peace and freedom that we enjoy here.
Ukrainians lived under the same tyranny as did their Russian cousins when they were both part of the Soviet Union and before under the Tsars.
Yet Ukraine chose differently and now fights valiantly to defend that choice.
It is to Ukrainians that we owe more than me gratitude for reminding us Americans of these hard and bitter truths.
We owe them our support.
That article was written by Tom Rose, my former White House colleague, who will be joining us here on America First.
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The governor and I, and we were all doing a tour of the library here, and talking about the significance of the passage of time.
Right?
The significance of the passage of time.
So when you think about it, there is great significance to the passage of time in terms of what we need to do to lay these wires, what we need to do to create these jobs, And there is such great significance to the passage of time when we think about a day in the life of our children.
John was enjoying that.
He was doing some kind of pantomime to the five accounts, the five times he said the passage of time.
I don't know what she was talking about.
That is the person who is one heartbeat away from the president.
Maybe our next guest can explain it to me, can translate Kamala Harris.
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First guest of this show, we have Congressman Matt Gaetz from the 1st Congressional District of Florida.
Welcome, Congressman Gaetz!
Thank you, Seb, and I would suggest that time never passes more slowly than when we're having to listen to our cringe Vice President.
I just cannot believe that they continue to trot her out and send her around the world For a pronouncement such as this, it's quite something.
It is.
I think that's a fabulous adjective, the cringe vice president.
And you know, this is, I did a radio hit earlier this day, today, and I asked the question, who is more, well, look, he's cognitive, cognitively challenged.
She's intellectually challenged.
She may be beating AOC now.
What do you think?
Well, I mean, look, this is why the deep state wanted these people in charge, because they're useful idiots.
I mean, when you have folks like President Trump, you know, Mark Meadows, folks who know how to ask tough questions, you know, folks like me and Jim Jordan in the West Wing and at the Oval Office, folks like you, Seb, as a strategist to President Trump.
You know, contributing to, I think, the reform-based approach that ought to dominate Republican messaging right now.
They really fear that.
The powers that be in the bureaucratic agencies, those who would do harm to the country if it just means they enrich their own power.
So I think in Biden-Harris, you sort of see the vacuum.
That the permanent bureaucratic state wanted to create.
It's on purpose.
Yeah.
I got a couple of burning topics we've got to talk about, but you did just mention a congressman who ended up in the White House working for President Trump.
President Trump is running, and if we do our job he's going to be back there for a second term.
Would Matt Gaetz consider working in a second America First White House?
I am here to advance the cause of my district and to help President Trump right now.
My focus is actually getting a Republican majority that is worthy of President Trump because it was so darn frustrating when we had all the branches of government and you had Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell getting in the way.
So I think right now the best thing for me to do is serve in the Congress and to try to really position the battlefield For Trump's return, so that we can advance, advance, advance.
He didn't rule it out.
Did you hear guys?
He said, for now, for now, it's about a Republican majority, but he did not rule it out.
Follow him right now.
Rep Matt Gaetz on Twitter.
Also Matt Gaetz, the podcast, the book is firebrand.
Okay, first things first.
I know it's a Senate hearing.
It's happening right now.
Chris Coons is Doing whatever the Democrats do to their fellow nominees at the Senate Judiciary Committee.
I have to ask you this question, because it's for the House as well, it's for all Republicans.
Why do we play nice, given what they did to Kavanaugh?
Is there any justification for the GOP playing by the markers of Queensbury rules, given what the Democrats do to our guys?
Well, I think the Republicans don't want this fight.
I think that Katonji Brown-Jackson is not someone that they really are going to come off the top turnbuckle at.
I remember her as sort of a debate legend in Florida.
She's a Florida woman, and when I was in high school in the high school debate circuit, she was like the person that had won every award, had a brilliant reputation at really competitive argumentation, and based on what I've seen out of members of both parties on the Senate Judiciary Committee, they may have their hands full.
So I think this is a purposeful decision on the part of the Senate to say, this is not the fight we want right now.
This was a liberal seat on the court.
And, you know, they choose other battles.
That's my observation.
All right, let's stay on the great state of Florida.
Disney wants to boycott, Disney wants to create problems for the current governor.
What is your message to those who think that children should be given gender identity education and training in kindergarten in Florida, Congressman Gates?
Well, that's ludicrous, but the best thing that could happen for the state of Florida is a full liberation from the political clutch of this mouse, right?
I used to be in the Florida legislature, and if your bill was opposed by Disney, they said it had a rodent problem.
And that was always fatal.
And there are a lot of policies that Disney pursued that were not good for Floridians and seemed to wrap the apparatus of government around their business model.
So if Disney wants to suspend their political donations, which they've indicated now they're going to do in response, to Governor DeSantis' wise legislation to actually keep education about education.
I say so be it.
Liberate Florida from the mask.
How powerful a lobby is, Disney?
I mean, there are two powerful lobbies in Florida, the sugar growers and Disney, and they go back and forth as to who's the most powerful, but my suspicion is that Florida will be a far better place without all the lobbyists getting paid by Disney and the political donations if they choose to be too erudite and too put off by Governor DeSantis to engage in our state.
You know what?
Maybe Disney and Gavin Newsom deserve each other.
Liberate Florida from the mouse.
We've got a minute and a half left with Matt Gaetz.
Follow him at gaetz.house.gov.
The podcast is Firebrand.
The book is Firebrand.
You've been tweeting like a firestorm when it comes to gas prices, gas policy.
Now America is groveling to Venezuela, Matt.
It's ridiculous.
I asked the leader of the Southern Command, General Richardson, what would happen if there was a huge influx of cash for Venezuela?
And her answer was that they would use that money, likely, to buy Russian weapons and Russian arms.
So how dumb is this?
So that we can claim some moral victory and do some virtue signaling?
We're literally going to give Venezuela Russian arms As a favor for laundering U.S.
dollars into Russia.
That's crazy!
Yeah, it reminds me of when Kerry was asked about the Iran deal and admitted, yes, that some... And by the way, Seb, you wrote a book about how to beat Islamic Jihad, and you specifically wrote about how these petrodollars are very problematic for our country and for our security, and so to be cutting a deal with Iran Right now, it's also nuts.
We should have interior development in Colorado, in North Dakota.
That's how we ought to meet our energy needs.
He's so smooth.
He is plugging my book on my show.
His is Firebrand.
He's Matt Gaetz.
He's gonna be in studio next week with MTG.
I'm Sebastian Gorka.
I'm Sebastian Gorka.
A Okay, mic's back on.
titles?
Um...
Matt Gates, um...
Liberate Florida from the mouse?
Yeah, I like that, but it's kind of, people won't understand it.
I guess, yeah.
So funny.
The Tyranny of Disney?
The Tyranny of Transgender Disney.
Ah.
And then one A, uh... The Rose Article.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ukraine's fight is our fight.
Ukraine's fight is our fight, okay.
And the pre-record.
Something like inside Operation Warspeed or something like that?
What did he say?
I think he said something.
Put op, op, dot, op, warp, speed, and the truth about Fauci. warp, speed, and the truth about Fauci. - Okay.
And the truth about Fauci.
Yeah.
Has anybody said anything to you about what happens when we move?
Is this all staying here as a backup?
Anybody know?
Uh, John?
Anything?
No.
I mean, I think most of it is, but I think some of the equipment they may have to pull over.
They said, I think when I asked Garrett at the most, he said maybe a couple of the PCs that John uses over there.
So like, the actual, not the audio boards themselves, but the computers.
Which means it won't be able to function as a backup.
Yes.
I thought the whole point was that- If you take the computers out of here, this does not function.
Well, no, I asked Garrett, he said like one of the computers.
He just said not all of them, because the point is that it must stay- Okay, I doubt they're gonna take- Alright, want me to email him?
Unimportant.
No, I'll talk to Phil.
Okay.
Uh, what have I not heard?
We played... We played Vine, we played Kamala.
There's the Trump cut, the long- Let me hear six.
Six.
I was very disturbed during the debate when Candidate Biden lied to the American people about the laptop.
He squarely confronted with the laptop and he suggested that it was Russian disinformation and pointed to the letter written by some intelligence people that was baseless, which he knew was a lie.
And I was shocked by that and fortunately the DNI came out And said, no, it's not disinformation.
The FBI said the same thing.
Media ignored it.
So when you're talking about interference in an election, I can't think of anything more than that.
Oh, now he cares.
I know.
Yeah, now he cares.
That's why I thought it was interesting.
Ugh.
25 seconds.
It's like, oh, I was very disappointed when it happened.
Yeah.
I said nothing, but, uh, yeah.
I had the power to do something, and I didn't.
Exactly.
Alright.
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America First I'm really heartened, guys.
What day is it today?
Tuesday, right?
John, Tuesday?
How many days till the midterms?
We've got to work that out.
We'll give that to you later.
I was very heartened every Tuesday I have a call with Randy who runs our store and he said the hottest item is still the Zelensky t-shirt which means what?
It means that you guys care.
There may be crazies out there QAnon 2.0 that talks about the Jewish Nazi that's you know running Ukraine but you listeners to this show want To send the Biden administration a message.
This is the t-shirt.
We're showing it up on the screen.
When Biden said, hey, we'll send you a plane.
We'll get you out of there.
We'll extract you.
He told the White House, I don't need a ride.
I need ammunition.
It's a great thing to buy.
It's a great thing to, you know, use to support this man who is a hero fighting for his nation, fighting for sovereignty.
But here's something even more important.
Oh, that's the new t-shirt.
Okay, guys, if you're not watching, we've got a brand new t-shirt.
It's, as of yesterday, the fight for freedom is forever, with an American minute man, with the Ukrainian flag as well.
The connection between 1776 and Ukraine is without a doubt.
You can check those all out at the store, sebgorkastore.com.
But the reason I'm talking about this now is that it's not just about t-shirts.
It's not just about sending a message.
It's about what you can do to help, and you can help right now.
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They have partnered in just the last week with an organization called Feed My Starving Children that has been in Eastern Europe for eight years helping the destitute, helping innocent children.
And when you see the images of war from Ukraine, a conflict that seems so far away, you can actually help right now from where you are.
Listen to the importance of this.
Listen to just How dire the situation is.
This is from a mother in Ukraine speaking through an interpreter on the BBC.
We have been in a basement for 11 days.
We've been counting every one of them.
We're cooking at a fire.
For now, we have some food and some firewood.
In a week, we will have nothing.
No food at all.
What should we do?
For now, she says, for now, I have food for my children.
But what happens next week?
In a basement with firewood, trying to survive?
Well, guess what?
You can feed that child.
You can help that mother feed her children.
Three million people out of 44 million have escaped.
But the rest of them are in Ukraine, either fighting, if they're men, or just trying to survive in those areas that haven't yet been surrounded by the Russian forces.
So let's help them right now.
Please make a donation in any amount.
It's very very easy.
You can call food for the poor on 855 3 3 0 hope or you can go to my website that number again 8 5 5 3 3 0 4 6 7 3 or We've changed the website.
It's the easiest thing right at the very top.
It's in the Ukrainian colors It's the help Ukraine banner Go to SebGawker.com.
Anything.
Five bucks.
Fabulous.
Five hundred.
Amazing.
Five thousand.
How many hundreds of lives are you helping?
This is a war zone.
These are innocent people living in the country that has been invaded.
The images are shocking, but we can do something about it.
This is their 1776.
We're not going to fight for them, but let's help those who are stuck in Ukraine, especially the children.
Go to sebgorka.com, that's S-E-B-G-O-R-K-A, sebgorka.com, and click on the Help Ukraine banner at the very top, or if you prefer, just call Food for the Poor that is working with Feed My Starving Children that have been in the region for eight years.
They know how to get to the food, get the food to the people suffering in the refugee camps and in the war zone.
That number 855-330-HOPE, that's 855-330-4673, or just go to sebgawker.com and click on the Help Ukraine banner at the very top.
God bless every single one of you who is helping, every single one of you who is donating.
This is how you can do something tangible.
Thank you to all of you.
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Uh, no.
No, let's just dial up Tom.
Okay.
Mic's on.
Any other cuts you want to hear?
No, let's just dial up Tom.
Okay.
Sir, I'm going to have to put you on hold for just a second.
I'm going to have to put you on hold for just a second.
I'm going to have to make the phone call.
Right back.
Okay.
Wait, what the fuck?
Don't do that on my lap.
Okay, hang on.
Yeah.
He went straight to voicemail?
You can just say this is what the Sebastian Borker show.
Wait, you went to first.
Don't do that.
Wow.
Yeah.
Is he not answering?
Okay.
Yeah.
He's going straight to voicemail.
90 seconds.
He'll text him, and we'll see what happens.
Anyone set?
Okay.
Merch and relief.
I've, I've, I've got to wait.
One minute.
To figure out what's going on with this.
I'm so confused because now there's like three different email chains that I've run into.
I'm like, just send the scripts.
I'll call them.
It's fine.
I think he just sent the scripts now.
A new script?
No, just the ones that he wants.
That isn't on there.
Yeah, I'll bring him up real quick.
Awesome.
He's on the line.
Mr. Rose!
How are you, sir?
Better for having read your article.
Well, that's very kind.
Very, very kind.
Congratulations on the show.
I didn't know anything about it.
What do we put in your chyron?
What was your title at the White House?
Uh, Senior Advisor and Chief Strategist.
Okay.
Chief Strategist, okay?
Chief Strategist to Vice President?
Yeah.
Alright, stand by.
America first.
Can you believe it?
They are saying that they don't agree with America First.
How do you say that?
Magnificent.
How do you say that?
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Now, I love talk radio.
I love listening.
Now I have my own show, and I try not to read stuff on this show, okay?
I'm not sure it always makes for good radio, but sometimes you get something that's so amazing, you just say, okay, there's my script for my monologue, and that's how we open the show today.
It is from the New York Post.
It's entitled The Long Lamentable History.
Tom Rose on the war in Ukraine.
And he is now with us.
Tom Rose, my former White House colleague, former Chief Strategist to the Vice President.
Welcome to America First.
It's a great honor and privilege as always, Dr. GW Leakey.
It's been far too long, my friend, been far too long.
Meet you in studio here in the swamp.
Tell us why you felt you had to write this piece that I read to our millions of listeners just half an hour ago.
Because, you know, there's something very odd about living in a world where you and I can live perfectly normal, blissful existences, go out, have dinner, and then in a country that is Western, that's a free country, not a perfect country, but a free one, it's being obliterated by the power Many people call him a madman.
I don't know if that's the case.
There's much rational and evil that Putin is doing.
I mean, he is absolutely addicted to power and to escalation, and escalation, as we know, is a narcotic.
And to see this country struggling to be free, struggling to fight off an invader whose numbers and power quotient are off the chart compared to that of the fledgling democracy of Ukraine, So, I was only there for a couple days and it was one of the most inspiring things I've ever seen.
I have to, you know, say here it's remiss of me.
I didn't read the dateline when I read your article on air and it starts with a Krakow love this blast of Ukraine.
So you were there when you wrote this, Tom.
Yes, yes I was.
Will you help me with something?
I've been struggling with this for three weeks now, and you address it fabulously when you talk about this five-foot-three Jewish comedian who's now the president.
Why are there people who ostensibly seem to be on our side, Tom Rose, Who say that Russia is justified, there was a genocide against the Russians, and we're responsible because NATO.
You know, you lead a wing of our party I'm proud of, proud to be part of, the America First movement.
But we also have, unfortunately, a Blair America First movement.
And it ranges from the right, to the center, to the left.
The media is consumed with it as well.
The Democrats are also blame America firsters.
There is a disconnect.
I think there's a sense that everybody has innately, that they don't want trouble, and that somehow if we feed the tiger, as Churchill would say, he will eat us last.
And you know this, Sebastian, better than anyone.
The attempt to placate, for instance, 1956, when upheaval started first in Poznan in Poland, where the Communist Party ousted the Moscow favorite and brought Vyacheslav Gomułka into power, that sent a signal to your brethren, your countrymen in Hungary, who waged the most heroic, if not ill-fated, rising of the entire Cold War.
They did it.
They did it against odds far more dire than that which Ukrainians face today.
We have an opportunity now to stop this in its tracks, because if Putin wins, this isn't the end, this is the beginning.
But Tom, this is, for me, worse than appeasement.
This isn't a well-meaning Chamberlain.
These are people saying the Ukrainians are shelling their own hospitals, and I find that diabolical, Tom.
It's simply beyond any kind of description or definition.
The willingness of some people who, you know, I used to regard as very credible, very noteworthy, to suspend any and all rationality to somehow apologize for or excuse this unbelievably horrendous act of aggression, unlike anything we've seen in our lifetimes.
It's your western country.
My argument, and this is what I've been hammering on my Newsmax TV show, is what's happening in Ukraine, and we don't have to deploy our forces there, but we need to help them fight for themselves, because Tom, this is their 1776.
It is indeed.
It is indeed.
It's their 1776.
It's their 1789.
It's their 1848.
This is their, you know, I certainly don't need to teach you of all people history.
This is the third Russian invasion of Ukraine in the last 105 years, right?
Immediately after the fall of the Tsar.
Ukrainian Republic was declared a democracy crushed by Leon Trotsky and the Red Army, incorporated into the Soviet Union.
They invaded again to drive the Nazis out in the Second World War.
You know, don't forget about Stalin's Holodomor, the genocidal famine that killed 4 million to 7 million Ukrainians.
Don't forget Ukraine is the richest agricultural farmland on the planet.
Which, by the way, most people don't understand, wasn't just the breadbasket of the Soviet Union, but is the breadbasket for Africa now.
So much, so much food from Ukraine was being exported to Africa which is going to create a knock-on disastrous effect on that continent as well.
We're out of time but it's okay because he's gonna be on my show Newsmax The Gawker Reality Check this Sunday 7 p.m.
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On your second question about the suburb of Kyiv, we're not in a position to confirm that that suburb of Kyiv.
So for a century it's been chicken Kiev, but now it's suddenly Kiev?
Yeah.
Well, that was one thing that threw me off.
That video you posted of the Ukrainian with the bombed out kindergarten, he said Kiev too.
And I'm like, I thought you said they pronounced it Kiev.
Yeah, but he's been living in the West for 30 years.
Oh, okay.
...in places that they believe are the right places to defend, and we have seen them now in places, particularly in the South.
I thought you were going to go, for them, this is their finest hour.
It really is.
I think that's good good imagery Maps getting awful red Mm-hmm.
Something else I totally missed, because Geoff and I obviously have been emailing back and forth.
He's now signing his emails with Aloha.
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I totally missed that at first.
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Thank you, Dr. G, for taking my call today.
Yes.
So, yeah, so remember that Colonial Pipeline hack, you know, the East, you know, the Carolinas, especially.
And so, you know, and it was mentioned, you know, possibly that could have been Russia.
And I've been thinking where all this has been going on.
Is it possible that could have been some kind of beta test and the Russians were seeing, Maybe we could do that and they're going to plan for something again against us.
Derek, you are a wise man.
You're a sagacious individual.
I would put the likelihood of that attack, which led to a ransom of $50 million.
Yeah, right.
At the doorstep of Putin, because you don't hack America's pipelines from Russia without Putin's permission.
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Let's go to Elliot, New York line two.
How are you?
Good!
I was looking at the clip from Laura Logan.
I think she was on American First.
I'm not sure.
Like a little logo in the bottom.
And she was talking about she's not pro-Russian, but she was not really pro-Ukrainian.
She said there's a lot of baggage that goes on with the Ukrainian, some wing of the army, where she says they have Nazi symbols on their collars, the lightning bolt, their flag that one particular unit carries with them.
The Azov Battalion.
She's talking about the Azov Battalion.
Yeah.
I watched an interview she gave at the weekend, which was absolutely outrageous.
And, Lara, if you're listening, you've got to do harder.
Yes, there is something called the Asselt Battalion, 900 people out of a nation of 44 million.
And there is, of course, some Nazi history from World War II, as there are in many parts of that region.
But to use that as an excuse is outrageous.
And Lara said something else, which a reporter should never do.
She said things I've heard from somebody who's a reputable source that the Ukrainians are beheading children.
I haven't verified it, but I heard it.
Lara, that's what crazy people do.
And you can't call yourself a journalist and say, I've heard this, but I haven't confirmed it, because you're as bad as QAnon.
Don't do it, Lara.
Come back to the real world.
Thank you, Elliot.
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Conrad piece.
Yes, I'm printing it off right now.
Okay.
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We've got ins and outs.
We've got...
And after that, I'll tell you which...
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Come in with cut one from the president, okay?
And then we'll go straight to Conrad.
Conrad, greetings!
Greetings, Sebastian.
How we doing?
We're doing fine.
How are you?
Good, good, good, good.
Trying to survive the incompetence in the administration.
It just gets worse and worse.
It does.
It's stunning.
Absolutely stunning.
And Kamala Harris's latest pronouncements are mind-bending.
Mind-bending.
Oh, you mean the...
She had one of her tautologies, didn't she?
Yes, the passage of time is the passage of time, and it's really the passage of time.
Alright, stand by, we're gonna... She's Forrest Gump in drag.
That's good!
Forrest Gump in drag.
Okay, I'm gonna have to mention that.
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How about Iran?
We are told that we're going to be signing an Iranian nuke deal any day now.
I'm sure you oppose it.
You took us out of the nuke deal.
What do you think happens just a few months or a year down the road if we go back into that Iran nuke deal and they get a chance of a bomb?
Well, it's the end of Israel if that happens.
Israel is... I don't think Israel could actually let it happen.
It is the worst deal.
And also, you're going to see nukes all over the Middle East, and everyone else is going to get them, too.
It will be the end, because if they have them, Saudi Arabia is going to get them, and everyone else is going to get them, and how can you tell them not to do it?
So why is Biden doing it?
Because he's stupid.
Okay?
Because he's stupid.
And because they're stupid.
And they shouldn't be in power anyway, but they're destroying our country, and they may ultimately be responsible for destroying the world.
That was, of course, President Trump on Stuart Varney's show talking about this administration.
They're stupid and it could destroy the world.
Let's go a little bit deeper with our regular guest, one of your favorites, Lord Conrad Black, the author of several works on American presidents, FDR, of course, Nixon, and most recently, my former boss, President Trump, a president like no other.
You can hear him on the podcast he co-hosts with Victor Davis Hanson and Bill Bennett.
Lord Black, welcome back to America First.
Thank you, Sebastian.
Always glad to be with you.
You caught his deputy Kamala Harris' speech about, what was it, the significance of the passage of time, and you had a rather nice description of how she could be described in the future.
Well, I was a bit flippant, but I said it sounded like Forrest Gump in drag.
I mean, it's just rubbish, you know?
It's just nonsense.
And this is the same woman who just a week ago on a podcast for the black American audience, which I think in itself is insulting, treating them like kindergarteners said about the war in Ukraine.
Ukraine is a large country.
It's next to a larger country called Russia.
Russia has invaded, and that's bad.
The level of geopolitical analysis beggars belief, does it not, Conrad?
Yeah, that sounds like a kindergarten class.
Right, right.
And what does it mean when you think that's how the audience of a predominantly black podcast should be spoken to?
Well, it's absurd.
In fairness to her, I don't think she was singling out blacks for... I mean, it happens, I guess, that she was mainly speaking to African Americans, but I don't think she was singling them out For condescension.
I think she apparently talks like that to everyone.
So it's sort of equal opportunity, no fault, condescending, idiotic nonsense.
You have written numerous books on the rise of America, of the presidents that have led this country.
Let's talk about what's happened in the last few weeks here in America.
We had first the Kremlin threaten the use of nuclear weapons, or at least saying it's not out of the question, to which the administration said that would be bad.
Then we played the cut earlier of the president warning that there will be a cyber attack from Russia.
Irrespective of what party you're from, when your adversary makes threats of that nature, the standard isn't to say that would be bad, is it?
No.
No.
The standard is either to dismiss it as insane and therefore very unlikely, Or if you wish to do it, to raise the ante.
I mean, I always think of the famous exchange between General Secretary Khrushchev and President Eisenhower in 1959, when Khrushchev said, well, you know, we could certainly eliminate your position by conventional means in West Berlin.
And Eisenhower said, if you attack us in West Berlin, there will be nothing conventional about our response.
I mean, the United States is a very great military power, a much greater military power than Russia.
And it doesn't have to endure threats like this.
I mean, it should either say, look, you know, we've been hearing this intermittently from Russian leaders, starting with Stalin.
Fortunately, though, many of them had their problems.
They're not so insane as to actually attempt in the thing with nuclear weapons.
Or you can just make the point that Trump made to famously Kim Jong-un, that if we're sort of flexing our nuclear muscles, nobodies are greater than our own.
In your latest piece for the Epoch Times, you talk about not just the lack of leadership, but also concrete policy concerns.
What message does it send the world, where one part of the administration says, yes, we love this idea, Poland has Soviet-era MiGs, they can give them to the Ukrainians, Terribly negatively.
First of all, it's incoherent.
F-16s, when two days later, the same administration's Defense Department says, no, that's of zero utility to the Ukrainians and we won't do it.
How does that reverberate around the globe?
Terribly negatively.
First of all, it's incoherent.
Secondly, it's sort of the wrong noises from different people in the pecking order.
I mean, can you imagine if, I'm just naming a few people, Henry Kissinger or George Shultz or James Baker, when they were Secretary of State or even General Powell, if they had then been contradicted by the spokesman for the Pentagon, a much lower level official, Uh, it would have caused that official to leave the administration within 10 minutes involuntarily.
And secondly, it shows, I'm afraid I don't want to flip it and sing this, but
That comment by Mr. Kirby that the Ukrainians didn't really need those planes and that it wasn't really particularly what was necessary for them, a matter that really should be left to the determination of the people conducting this heroic and successful defense in Ukraine, not
Spokesman responding to press questions for the Pentagon in Washington, but it unfortunately, at least in my case, confirms me in my fear that I first had when President Biden offered President Zelensky and his family a safe passage out of the country and when the sage of Kabul General Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, told the Senate committee that the Russians would occupy Kiev within three days.
I mean, I think the administration got off to the wrong start, assuming the Russians would win easily, and have gradually upped their game, responding to pressure from the public and the Congress, and in fairness, both parties in the Congress.
I mean, the Democrats have been pretty strong on this.
As have the Republicans.
We have to do more to help the Ukrainians.
They do have a serious defense.
They are putting up a valiant defense and a successful defense.
And what Russia is doing is a monstrous crime, and we have to assist the Ukrainians.
And for Kirby to say that this could be escalatory, it just made my heart sink.
I mean, it's just the worst type of appeasement.
Well, the Ukrainians are fighting for their lives.
There's this utterly outrageous invasion, which is now having ground to a halt on the ground and conducted cheaply by bombarding civilians with high explosive weapons.
And we are concerned about an escalatory move if Poland sends some elderly aircraft to Ukraine.
You can't suck and blow at the same time.
Either we're trying to help the Ukrainians or we're hiding under the bed because of the Russians.
And if it's the second, it is a shameful thing and a dangerous thing.
But isn't it more than just rank incompetence?
I mean, how about the arrogance of saying that I get to decide in this country what the Ukrainians at war need to defend themselves?
I mean, it's like...
You know, the left accuses the right of being the new colonialist.
Well, is there anything more colonial than that attitude to another country?
Nothing more condescending.
I mean, can you imagine if when the Lend-Lease Act was passed in early 1941, President Roosevelt had said to Mr. Churchill, look here, you don't really need these airplanes.
I mean, it seems to me what you need are more firefighting equipment or something like that.
I mean, if you're going to Supply someone defending themselves against an aggressor.
You have to go a long way towards accepting the view of the person you're helping as to what that person needs.
Yeah.
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That that reason is the vice president.
She's not only totally incoherent, you know, he may or may not have cognitive decline problems at his age, but at her age, she's just dumb.
I mean, let's be clear.
Kamala Harris may be the dumbest person ever elected vice president in American history, and that's why people keep resigning.
I mean, if you were her national security advisor, and you were competent, And you'd worked hard, and you knew what you were doing, and you watched her in Poland break up laughing when she's asked about Ukrainian refugees?
You had to feel a sense of total humiliation.
So I'm not surprised that that particular advisor resigned, because it's very clear that Kamala Harris should never, ever be allowed to leave the country.
She probably shouldn't be allowed to leave the Naval Observatory, which is the residence of the Vice President.
Fabulous.
That was sharp.
God.
When I heard that passage of time multiple times, I'm like, she's like a kid who just read Wrinkle in Time for the first time.
But does she think she's actually communicating?
I just... I just think we forget that there's a great significance in the passage of time.
No, you have to say it five times.
Yeah, you're right.
Five times.
So we've got, I haven't really been paying too much attention today, but the rumble chat is quite active.
Good.
A username I don't recognize, prayingalways13, says you should stop promoting the Zelensky t-shirts until reports are confirmed that he has been jailing political opposition.
At that point?
Why?
Apparently that's a bad thing, I guess?
Yeah, because we didn't suspend habeas corpus during the Civil War, did we?
People need to open history books, just now and again.
It would be nice if you opened history books.
Oh dear.
Alright, 90 seconds, Conrad, and we are back.
OK.
I thought Lincoln did suspend habeas corpus at one point.
Am I wrong?
He did.
He did.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
That's the point I'm making.
Zelensky is taking martial actions and certain legal measures, which is not unusual in a time of war.
I do think, by the way, this Lend-Lease thing is really what we should be doing with Ukraine.
Well, yeah, something like that.
I agree.
Yeah.
No, it's...
But, you know, I just...
Words fail me on this thing, and I think I more or less said that in what I wrote, you know, Secretary of State, I thought I spoke well answering the question on that Sunday show.
No, I'd give a green light to that.
I think it's a good idea.
And then three days later, he's contradicted by this pipsqueak, this bumbling, inarticulate official who unfortunately invades our Wherever our television sets are in our homes every night, you know, humbling along.
And he doesn't seem like a bad man.
He's just an incompetent.
Just an incompetent.
Yeah.
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The latest piece, we're going to post it right now in the Epoch Times, is the best we can hope for is to stay the course behind Ukraine.
Let's look at, we can perhaps remedy with a new administration in 2024 for the damage done to America's reputation We did so in the Trump administration the first time around after Obama.
But let's draw out, let's go to the 50,000 foot perspective, Lord Black.
What happens as an incredibly successful businessman, media mogul, head of the Hollinger Group, you have that perspective, what happens to the future of Russia?
The swinging sanctions, will it forever remain a pariah nation?
What is your expectation if some settlement is arrived at in Ukraine?
I think that things will settle down quite quickly.
I think that there is a strategic recognition in Washington that we really should, as soon as we can do it, Respectably and appropriately.
Attempt to encourage the Russians to put some distance between them and the Chinese.
And I think we can count on the traditional Russian sense that it is, after all, a great nation in the world.
And we have to make this distinction between this undoubtedly important country and important people.
And a very rich and distinguished culture and civilization.
It's the country of Tchaikovsky and Tolstoy and so forth.
And the extraordinary bad luck that they have had in government.
I mean, I just sent in a piece today to the New York Sun pointing out that Russia has never had one day of good government.
And, you know, you can't say that about any other important country.
And so, but I think the key here, strategically, is we want to separate the great natural resources, the treasure house, the strategic treasure house of that vast chunk of the Eurasian landmass, 11 time zones that Russia occupies.
We want to keep it away, if we can, from the Chinese.
And that does align our interest with traditional Russian pride.
that it is a great and independent country, even if a frequently discovered one.
And so I think everything would operate in the interest of returning to a normal status and, if possible, a constructive status between Russia and the West relatively quickly.
And so it can be done.
I mean, you know, that's certainly been more extraordinary changes have operated in Europe, even in our lifetime.
So, I mean, who would have imagined that Germany, after the horrible crimes committed, would in 1955 be completely overused?
Openly admitted and welcomed into the Western Alliance, as President Eisenhower did.
Yes, indeed.
And of course, the future of the Eurasian landmass, if we go back to the theories of Spikeman and Mackinder, is crucial to the stability of the whole globe.
However, the question I would have is, is it a question of luck?
Or is it a question of culture?
The fact that they've never had one day of decent governance perhaps is not accidental to the culture of the Russian people.
I'm afraid it is not.
Again, one doesn't want to be cavalier or, you know, flippant about ascribing characteristics to an entire people, but the Russians historically have not been terribly demanding of their rulers, and they've put up with a level of misgovernment that demonstrably, for example, the French and the Americans would not put up with, and in fact did not put up with.
And we're getting into sort of the nature of the Slavonic masses.
It is their strength and in a way their weakness.
But with that said, the Russians are very attuned to their national interests, and it is not their national interest to be a junior partner to China.
And we also have the welcome evidence that the Chinese, under their present dispensation, are so arrogant and irritating to their neighbors that I don't think it will take long for them to grate on the Kremlin.
Don't, for a moment, allow me to be misunderstood as being anti-Chinese or a Sinophobe.
I'm not.
But the Chinese government, when it's in a strong cycle, does tend to be terribly irritating and somewhat provoking towards its neighbors in a way that, for example, the United States isn't.
The United States has not done anything serious to bother Canada for 200 years, although it could easily do it if it wanted to.
And China's not like that.
I mean, even now they're skirmishing with India and the Himalayas, and they're constantly arguing with the Vietnamese and so forth.
So the fact is, if the Democrats in the United States had not devised that utter outrageous nonsense of Trump's supposed collusion with Russia,
which in fact was something the Democrats were guilty of, not Trump, which in fact was something the Democrats were guilty of, not Trump, he had it, as he clearly stated in his designs, to improve relations with Russia, precisely for the reason that he didn't want them toppling into the arms of He had the strategic sense to see that.
I mean, he told me that himself.
He probably told you that.
But he couldn't do anything about it because the Democrats fastened this lead weight around his ankle with this outrageous fabrication that he'd had an improper relationship with the Russian government in the election campaign.
And they will try to do that again if we are not successful in securing both the House and the Senate, that I think is the only requirement, the sine qua non, for President Trump running in 2024, because you know what they'll do.
It'll be impeachment number three on day one.
So that is the stakes of the matter this year.
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Look, you're the newspaper mogul.
What other reason would there be, a year and a half later, For the Grey Lady to admit the story was true, unless some hammer is about to drop.
I mean, we know the grand jury is still investigating the Hunter Biden laptops.
So what other reason would they have than they have some, you know, expectation that he's in big trouble?
And they're just getting on side.
Yes, they're getting out in front of it.
Can you imagine what it's like when he's indicted for something, or one of his business partners is, and the New York Times' denial of the story is still up there?
Well, you know, it raises the point Newt Gingrich raised.
I mean, if Hunter Biden is indicted, then the chips are falling all over his father, because there's no doubt the big guy was.
And in those circumstances, You know, Biden's position could be, I mean, President Biden's position could become quite shaky.
But the sobering thought is the idea of President Kamala Harris is going to scare the entire world.
I know, I know.
And you look at the press, at least across the pond, they're merciless in Australia and elsewhere.
Here she's treated with kid gloves, but the international media pulls no punch when it comes to her performance in Poland and elsewhere.
He makes Dan Quayle look like Einstein.
Okay, well, what can I... never a dull moment.
Yep.
Okay.
Dan Quayle, but I love that line, Forrest Gump in address.
I may have to credit you with that.
Okay, well, never a dull moment.
Never.
As the Chinese curse goes, may you live in interesting times, and we do.
All the best.
God bless.
Bye-bye.
Greg's not Skype?
What?
Oh, we can't do Skype?
Uh, drop, drop down.
Okay.
Why?
Why is he phone?
I don't know.
That is how it was sent to me by the man.
The Aloha man?
Oh man!
Picturing with one of those leis, those flower necklaces on.
We need photographs of him doing the hula or something.
Just totally deadpan face.
I never understood dancing.
I'm not much of a dancer.
Maybe he is.
Maybe he's gonna surprise us.
I'm not a big hugger, though.
I never understood hugging.
I can picture him on a jet ski, for sure.
Oh, totally.
That's a hilarious statement.
I've never understood hugging.
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He is the legal and political analyst for Fox News and also the author of The Russia Hoax and Witch Hunt.
Sebastian, good to talk to you.
How are you?
Good, good, good.
So much to discuss with you.
We are witnessing, as you are on air, the continued testimony, the confirmation hearing of Judge Brown.
Right now it's Ben Sasse that is interrogating her.
We'll get to that in a moment.
But first, if I may, if you will indulge me, I want to share a short clip with you with the man who was the second highest ranked law enforcement officer in America after President Trump.
This is Bill Barr surprising us with his take on the Hunter Biden story.
Cut six.
I was very disturbed during the debate when candidate Biden lied to the American people about the laptop.
He's squarely confronted with the laptop, and he suggested that it was Russian disinformation and pointed to the letter written by some intelligence people that was baseless, which he knew was a lie.
And I was shocked by that.
And fortunately, the DNI came out and said, no, it's not disinformation.
The FBI said the same thing.
Media ignored it.
So when you're talking about interference in an election, I can't think of anything more than that.
He was shocked.
He was shocked.
He was shook, which is strange because he's the Attorney General and those laptops were sitting in the Delaware FBI office for over a year.
So do you believe that he was shocked, Greg?
Jared?
If he's shocked, he's clueless.
You know, Joe Biden has a long and distinguished record of lying to the American people, and he did it during the presidential debate when he didn't.
Actually deny the authenticity of the laptop of the legitimacy of the incriminating information contained therein, but instead he deflected by relying on, you know, these former intelligence agency officials who said, oh, it's it's Russian disinformation.
I mean, keep in mind who those guys are.
James Clapper, John Brennan, Mike Morrell, Mike Hayden.
I mean, those guys would know Russian disinformation if they tripped over it.
Those guys single-handedly managed to turn the term intelligence community into an oxymoron.
Because they're morons.
But more than that, they're malevolent.
They are such partisans that they have turned the intelligence community agencies into political arms of the Democratic Party in the deep state.
And so, you know, I don't know why Bill Barr was surprised.
I wasn't surprised that Joe Biden was lying about what his son did and the incriminating evidence that implicates himself.
Joe Biden directly making millions from foreign governments and foreign sources By putting a for sale sign on his office door as Vice President.
So we have that statement from a man who is a very rich man, was a very rich man before he became Attorney General for a second time.
Why is he doing it?
It must be more than just selling books.
Is this reputation management and damage control for Barr?
Yeah, I think some of it is certainly that.
He felt the heat of having worked for President Trump.
Not only the heat from Trump himself, but the heat from others.
And I think this was his opportunity to try to resurrect his good name and reputation.
And I frankly find that a bit shameful.
Yeah, we agree.
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Katenji Brown, Cut 7.
As you said, the guideline was based originally on a statutory scheme and on directives, specific directives by Congress at a time in which more serious child pornography offenders were identified based on the volume, based on the number of photographs that they received in the mail.
And that made total sense Before, when we didn't have the internet, when we didn't have distribution, but the way that the guideline is now structured based on that set of circumstances is leading to extreme disparities in the system because it's so easy for people to get volumes of this kind of material now by computers.
So it's not doing the work of differentiating who is a more serious offender in the way that it used to.
So the commission has taken that into account, and perhaps even more importantly, courts are adjusting their sentences in order to account for the changed circumstances.
So child pornography is easier to get now that we have the internet.
Therefore, some people should get a break.
I mean, that's what she's saying.
Well, you said it a while ago, though, like with the whole transgender stuff, what the inevitable outcome of that, what they're working towards is.
Normalization.
Pedophilia.
Yeah.
All right.
Stand by, Greg.
60 seconds.
Eric, will you get Cassio to post 1, 2 and 3?
1, 2 and 3, you got it.
Do you want to come in with any of the audio?
No, I'll just read a couple of things about her record, then I'll go straight to Greg.
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Right now we are witnessing it is Dick Da Nang Blumenthal who is asking questions, puff piece questions, from the judge that has been nominated to the Supreme Court by the Biden administration.
Greg, just a couple of things about this individual, Judge Katenji Brown-Jackson.
She helped bring a case against the Trump administration to reinstate 81 Planned Parenthood programs across America.
She has refused to state whether or not she believes in a living Constitution.
And then the strangest thing of all, we played it in the break, Greg, she has this logic about why she gave the lowest sentences possible.
to a child pornographer.
She said, well, because the law was written before the Internet, the amount of porn that you can chill, child porn that you can access is so much easier today.
Therefore, they should be given a break.
Is that is there some legal principle behind that?
No, there's none.
And actually, one can make the opposite argument because of the ease of gaining child porn.
And people taking advantage of that ease, the penalty should be more stringent.
So it's not an argument that I bought, but it's an argument that others will buy into.
I think she's obviously incredibly smart, knows a great deal about the law and the Constitution, but she's been very clever in her responses.
She will tell you how she'll go about deciding a particular case, but she won't tell you how she goes about interpreting the Constitution, which is principally what Supreme Court justices do.
She has declined to say that there is any Supreme Court justice upon whom she relies or models her own decisions.
And she has insisted that she approaches cases based on a methodology of independence, neutrality, examining carefully the law and the facts, and not exceeding her authority as a judge.
Now, that all sounds very, very good.
And it's certainly better than coming out and saying that I believe in an expansive interpretation of the Constitution, which as a Supreme Court justice, I can decide rights that don't exist.
One wonders whether that's her personal agenda.
We just don't know.
Independence and neutrality, which, you know, we have the First Amendment, of course, but this is a woman who volunteered for the Obama campaign.
Yeah, you know, I'm not sure that that is terribly unusual.
Well, you know, look at the Supreme Court justices in some way or another.
They're all tied to either Republicans or Democrats.
And, you know, that's generally how they rise through the refrains.
But to volunteer, to actively be part of a political campaign, I knew if you were a federal judge, I don't think Greg Jack would do that.
No, I would not.
And it was probably regrettable and unwise, but nevertheless, the fact of the matter is she will be confirmed.
The votes are there.
She's not going to change the composition of the court.
And frankly, you know, she is smart enough based purely on credentials and merit to be a Supreme Court justice.
But if you use the Democrat standard of the last 35 years, a judge, a nominee, can be rejected based on their judicial philosophy.
Republicans on the Judiciary Committee and at large in the Senate are more than entitled to vote against her.
Are you surprised by how mealy-mouthed and how, with kid gloves, she's being handled by the Republican senators?
No, I think they're making a political decision.
You know, Democrats begged Republicans at the commencement of this hearing to be respectful and courteous and civil, exactly what they denied Donald Trump's nominees, particularly Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett.
And Republicans, I think, realizing, as I say, that she has the vote, she won't change the court.
uh... and realizing there's an important upcoming midterm election uh... have have decided you know this is a fait accompli and we're not going to do anything to damage ourselves politically before november Playing it safe.
I'm retweeting it right now.
It is at the top of my Twitter feed as we speak from Greg's own account.
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Okay, um... Can I try to do it during this next segment?
That's fine.
No, yeah, I don't need it during this segment.
I just need it after.
We have two more things to read.
Yeah.
Uh, titles.
A little bit behind.
We got Rose, Black, and Jarrett.
Jared, um... You wanna go like Hunter or the Katenji Brown thing?
Katenji Brown, colon, why the Republicans aren't attacking her.
Aren't attacking Biden's pick.
All right.
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Black.
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Um... Yeah, Cup 5.
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Do you know what that is?
It's the new world order.
Well, here he goes.
Cut five.
You know, we are at an inflection point, I believe, in the world economy, not just the world economy, It occurs every three or four generations.
As one of the top military people said to me in a secure meeting the other day, 60 million people died between 1900 and 1946.
And since then, we've established a liberal world order, and that hadn't happened in a long while.
A lot of people died, but nowhere near the chaos.
And now is a time when things are shifting.
You?
You are gonna lead it?
You don't know what day of the week it is.
Guys, he said the phrase.
Does it mean anything?
Not really.
to the free world and doing it.
You?
You are going to lead it?
You don't know what day of the week it is.
Guys, he said the phrase.
Does it mean anything?
Not really.
Why?
Are we surprised?
We shouldn't be.
It's just a new, more politically correct way of saying socialism.
There's no massive conspiracy about a new form of power.
It's the old one.
Communism failed, it collapsed, and they still want the power.
That's what AOC is.
That's what the Squad is.
That's what Klaus Schwab is.
These are the elites, just like the Politburo in the Soviet Union.
They want to control your lives.
Don't be confused with the new labels.
It's the same old power grab.
Handful of people control the economy, control everything, and they decide how you get to live your life.
So don't be confused by the new wrapping.
It's the same old threat from 1848.
The Communist Manifesto, Das Kapital, Karl Marx, Engel, and all the rest.
It's been the same story since the beginning.
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Welcome dear friends, this is America First one-on-one with me your host Sebastian Gorka.
It's been a crazy few weeks, in fact it's been a crazy few years, but the last three weeks with the largest invasion in Europe since World War Two has, I don't know, done something to the brains of peoples on both sides of the political divide and I was feeling pretty black for at least a week because I didn't understand
How people were saying the things they were saying and then I saw somebody on Twitter post a post from Instagram.
I don't know this individual.
He's called Nuclear Patrick and he cut and pasted this comment from Instagram.
The pandemic completely fried some people's brains.
There are people out there and even on here who now see everything Everything as a hoax, a plot, a setup by the World Economic Forum as part of its planting of political leaders in every nation on earth and its preparation of a new world government.
Covid was made up.
Even the war in Ukraine isn't real.
And as for Zelensky, he's literally an actor put in place by the WEF to wage war for a new world order.
And if you question this patent nonsense, well, you are clearly, quote, controlled opposition.
These new conspiracy theorists have convinced themselves they are brave, independent thinkers, when in truth, They don't think at all.
They have retired from critical faculties, the burden of reason, in preference for the comfortable delusion that everything is being controlled from on high.
It's such a dangerous, depressing, life-zapping way to quote-unquote think.
I could not have put it better myself.
He stole my thunder.
But that's OK, because we know who he is.
He's a good guy.
He's Brendan O'Neill.
He's with the superb platform SpikedOnline.com.
Welcome back, Brendan, to America First.
Hi, Seb.
It's a pleasure to be here, always.
So I could just talk about that one post on Instagram for the next hour.
You're in the UK.
You're fighting the good fight.
Will you tell us, clearly, you're seeing this on your side of the pond.
Here in America, It's the quote-unquote conservatives, and it's weird.
It's a lot of anonymous accounts, people who don't put their name to their social media account, who are saying people like Gorka, whose dad actually escaped from a communist prison, he is somehow pro the global world order and controlled opposition.
It looks like it's bad over there as well.
Brendan, share with us the state of affairs.
Oh, it's very bad here too.
And I really do think, as I said in that post, I really do think that the pandemic has fried some people's brains.
It's driven them completely mad.
Now, on one level, I kind of understand.
You know, lots of strange things happened during the lockdown.
The lockdown itself was strange.
Here in the UK, we had three or four lockdowns One of them was very severe, a complete suspension of civil liberties and also the media wasn't always forthcoming with the truth and with all the facts in various different situations.
We know for example that the lab leak theory was quite consciously suppressed.
We know that there are certain things you are not allowed to say on social media or you risk being banned.
We know that you could be thrown off social media and even arrested by the police for organising a protest.
So we've just been through a period in which people feel like they've been bullied and beaten up and lied to.
And you actually have a disclosure, correct me if I'm wrong, from within the British government that there was actually a conscious decision to use, to amp up fear to support the policies of the lockdown, correct?
Exactly right.
So there were various advisors to the government Sociologists, scientists, epidemiologists and they, some of the advice was, look we've got to use the politics of fear in a more successful way in order to get people to abide by the lockdown.
So there was a fairly explicit top-down pressure on ordinary people to shut up, to stay at home and to not use any of their freedoms.
So it was a very strange period in history.
And I understand that some people came out of that thinking, well, we can't trust anything they say.
They're all out to get us.
There's a global conspiracy.
So I understand where this thinking comes from, but it still irritates the hell out of me because I just think it is completely wrongheaded.
I think it is.
They've gone off the rails and then they're living in this kind of fantasy, this comfort blanket that says everything is being done by the sinister forces outside of our purview, up there, puppeteering politics, puppeteering our daily lives.
It's an easy and ridiculous explanation for what are, in fact, very complex social and political forces.
Right.
So it is absolutely understandable, as you say, when you find out that you've been lied to, whether it's we now know Fauci was attacking other scientists simply because they dared to ask questions.
orchestrating smear campaigns.
The suppression of the lab leak theory, on and on and on.
But the key issue for me, Brendan, and it really goes to the end of your post, you can mistrust anything that's an official statement, that's fine, but that doesn't justify the lack of critical thought.
The issue we have here is, you can distrust things, but that means you need more critical thought, not less critical thought.
Exactly right.
And the way I see the problem is that what we need is scepticism.
What we currently have is cynicism, and they are very different things.
Skepticism is a very healthy worldview.
I think we should be sceptical about all sorts of truths and orthodoxies.
We should be sceptical about the idea that climate change spells the end of the world, for example.
We should be sceptical about the idea that the only way to deal with a global pandemic is to lock down ordinary people.
We should always be sceptical of experts.
And we should ask questions of them and we should say, listen, you need to justify this course of action because it's having a severe consequence for my life.
But that's very different to being cynical and conspiratorial, because scepticism is, you know, the Enlightenment was fuelled by scepticism, by this questioning of authority.
Whereas cynicism is basically you shrug your shoulders, you say they're all evil, they're all wicked.
Everything they say is a lie.
I will never trust anything in the newspapers again.
And I'm just going to build my own view of how this world has come about and what are the real forces deciding what I can do in my life.
So when you cross that line from being sceptical of authority towards being cynical of everything that you are told and every report in every newspaper, then I think you're entering a dangerous territory where you actually open yourself up to new theories that are far crazier than anything that's coming even from our governments.
Yeah, I don't, honestly, I don't know how these people function.
I don't know how an adult who thinks everything is run by a cabal, you know, gets up in the morning and goes and does their grocery shopping.
The thing that's vexing me right now is, what's the genesis?
Where's the source?
Here in the US, you can find a couple of, you know, no-name podcasters.
And of course, there's Infowars.
Have you identified, you know, the sources of this craziness when it comes to the UK audience?
It's very hard to tell in the UK where it comes from.
I think a lot of people in the UK are watching American sources like InfoWars for example and other outlets too.
I think they have a global reach now, scarily in my view.
I think a lot of it also comes from social media.
I think people create their own social media bubbles in which they can spout their theories and listen to other people who share their theories.
So they kind of, they start to lock themselves away from reason and from discussion and from people who actually have sensible points of view.
And then it becomes a kind of dangerous spiral.
So I think social media has a lot to answer for here as well.
But I think, you know, the way I see it is that conspiratorial thinking has been around for quite a long time.
I mean, it's been around for it's been around for centuries, obviously, but the modern form of it has been around really.
It really took off with 9-11.
And the conspiracy theory that that was all done by the American government and Israel was probably involved.
Israel apparently is always involved in everything.
And that really snowballed into 7-7, the attack in London in 2005.
Was that meant to be an inside job as well, Brendan?
Yeah.
Yeah, there was a conspiracy theory that that was done by the British government.
And we've seen a lot of these kinds of theories emerging over the past 20 years or so.
And I think they're really snowballing as a consequence of the pandemic and as a consequence of lockdown.
But what's really depressed me is the swiftness with which people have now pushed their conspiracy theories onto Ukraine, onto the war between Russia and Ukraine.
Russia's barbarous invasion of Ukraine, in my view.
People are now saying, well, is it really happening?
If it is really happening, it's probably Zelensky's fault.
We'll unpack all of that.
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Brandon, you so nicely let up, you teed up the next topic, which is, you know, COVID...
I get it!
We still have people right now denying the fact that, yes, there is a massive virology lab run by the Chinese military in Wuhan, and we're not allowed to ask questions?
It depends as to whether the Wuhan flu came from Wuhan.
So the cynicism or at least the scepticism with regards to Covid or the lies from, what is it, Neil Ferguson who said two million people are going to die, lock down the UK as he's having sex with his, what is it, married paramour and, you know, running out of the house when we're supposed to lock down.
I get it.
But what really, and I have baggage, I'll admit it, parents who suffered under communism, escaped communism, but to see a man Stand and fight in his country as the Russian tanks are flooding across the border.
And then to be told, as I am every day on social media, you know he's an actor.
What?
You mean like Ronald Reagan was an actor?
And these are conservatives.
Talk to us about how the COVID cynicism has been translated to a point at which people are saying, yeah, you know that hospital that was bombed?
The Ukrainians probably did that.
I mean, you know, the first thing to say is this stuff is just repulsive.
Let's be honest, especially, you know, the conspiracy theories about the hospital bombing.
I mean, I'm not easily shocked, but I was shocked by those conspiracy theories and people saying the woman on the stretcher, the pregnant woman on the stretcher was an actress and I've seen her somewhere else.
This is a woman who subsequently died as a consequence of this bombing of a maternity hospital.
And those conspiracy theories were repeated by Russian officials.
So the Russian officials are actually playing into those kind of corrupted Western audiences and giving them what they want.
So it's really ugly stuff.
But I think it really demonstrates that there's an appetite out there, worryingly, for these kinds of theories and for just disbelieving everything.
And so when you get to a situation where you disbelieve everything, you find yourself not even believing that a war is taking place.
And not even believing that someone like President Zelensky, for all his faults in the past, may actually be a good guy, may actually be rising to the occasion under the extraordinary pressure of a Russian onslaught, and may be leading his people pretty well in a resistance against the fourth largest army on earth.
So instead of seeing those positive sides to the Ukrainian people's fight for freedom, people just have this instantly cynical interpretation.
It's all made up, it's all an act.
It's all for the World Economic Forum, as everything is these days, so I find it a really depressing narrative that's being pushed.
Which is not to say, and I think we're not of the same political tribe, you and I, but I think we can agree, Brendan, that we don't like the Great Reset, we don't like Klaus Schwab, we're not big fans of the federalisation of the world, But you can believe these two things.
You can believe the WF are bad guys and Zelensky's actually a brave person at the same time, can you not?
Oh, absolutely.
I'm not a fan of any globalist institution, whether it's the European Union, the WEF, or even the United Nations has numerous, numerous problems.
I'm not generally a fan of these kinds of cross-border institutions, which can be very interfering and which very often override democracy.
That's one of the reasons that we in the UK voted for Brexit.
We voted against one of the most powerful globalist institutions, which is the European Union, because we recognize that they do actively interfere in democratic life.
So this kind of stuff does happen.
But the problem is when people start to think that these organizations control everything secretly to the extent of staging a war, to the extent of posting an actor into the presidential office in Kiev to to wage a war against Russia and.
bringing in a new world government.
That's when criticism of globalist institutions just becomes a form of hysteria.
And it's so important that those of us who are worried about globalizing tendencies and the way in which they undermine national interest, it's very important that we distinguish ourselves from these conspiracy theorists and say, "Listen, no, we need a reasoned, "open political critique of these institutions, we need a reasoned, "open political critique of these institutions, "not these kinds of hysterical stories."
For me, and I don't want to get into, you know, armchair psychiatry here, but I did political training for the new democracies, quote unquote, of the Eastern Europe and the Baltics and the Balkans when I was living in Budapest.
And this was in the 1990s, and it was rampant back then.
I mean, these are 22-year-olds, 23-year-olds, who just thought the whole world was run by, you know, guys in smoke-filled rooms in Manhattan and, you know, the cabal.
And I got really incensed during one of these trainings, and I said, look, you know what the big problem with all of this is?
You can believe what you want, but at the end of the day, whether you think it's the Jews or you think it's, you know, the Americans or whatever, what you are doing is you are Sacrificing your responsibility for anything.
If the world is not, if everything's fixed and you can't control it, then I have no responsibility for anything.
Do you think that could be the attraction of this?
That you can just say, well, you know, I'm screwed.
That's such an important point.
It's a very defeatist way of thinking.
And it basically says it absolves you, the person of responsibility for trying to change politics and for trying to have an impact on your community or on your nation, because The theory is, well, everything is controlled by people beyond our reach who we don't really know, these kind of faceless institutions and these faceless individuals.
So what can we do?
There's nothing we can do.
It's an incredibly defeatist, depressing way of understanding the world.
And it absolves the conspiracy theorists of responsibility that we all have as citizens to understand the communities we live in and to try to improve them.
That's why I would celebrate something like the vote for Brexit as being a very positive revolt against globalizing tendencies and technocrat, technocratic politics.
And it was done by people who did believe that they could change things and who thought they had a responsibility to do so.
That's a very healthy form of politics, but you mentioned there that it very often comes back to the Jews, and I was just watching that advert for your tour, which looks absolutely brilliant.
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It's an absolutely glorious country to visit.
I encourage everyone to visit it.
And you're right, so many of these conspiracy theories end up blaming the Jews.
They really do reach that level at some point.
And I've seen some anti-Jewish conspiracy theories about Zelensky.
Who of course is Jewish and is descended from a Holocaust survivor.
So it starts to get really nasty when you dig down into this stuff and that's why we've got to shine the light of reason and open debate onto these kind of dark corners of discussion.
It really gets to a point where you are wrestling in the gutter with the pigs in the mud and it gets really, really distasteful and disgusting.
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You've mentioned it a couple of times already, Brendan, and I'm glad that I didn't have to bring it up.
Brexit.
I think you would consider yourself a man of the left.
When this question came up of leaving the EU, were you from the beginning a Brexiteer or did your opinion shift and how is that affecting politics today in the UK?
Oh yeah, I was a Brexiteer from the very beginning.
I've always been a Eurosceptic.
And in fact, something very interesting has happened in the UK over the past 40 years.
In the past, Euroscepticism was a largely left-wing phenomenon.
There were very influential voices in the Labour Party, the left-wing Labour Party, who were always sceptical of the European Union.
You know, well-known politicians like Tony Benn, Barbara Castle, Peter Shaw, these were Labour heavyweights who in the 70s and the 80s were leading the charge against the European Union and for Britain to leave.
But sometime around the 1980s what happens is that the left Loses faith in ordinary people because people were voting for Margaret Thatcher.
They were voting to be wealthier.
They were voting for their material interests and the left lost faith in the working classes.
And so it turned to the European Union and it saw the European Union as a way of enacting legislation and changing laws and creating a new kind of politics for the UK.
So the left's turn away from Euroscepticism towards loving the EU is really a broader story of the kind of thing we've been talking about, which is what happens when you lose faith in democratic discussion and public discussion and ordinary people, and you start to embrace that kind of ideology.
What are the long-term ramifications for that?
Because we could spend the whole rest of the program talking about how the labels conservative and left-wing or Tory and Labour don't really function or have any, you know, taxonomy today that really means anything.
After Brexit, after the success of actually negotiating it and Boris Johnson making it happen, What does politics look like across the pond?
Because here we say we have the elites in the big cities like New York, like Boston and DC and then we have everybody else and we're vying for different visions of populism.
The Bernie Sanders versus the Trump.
Is there something analogous happening in the UK?
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No, I think the populism question remains the most important question of our time.
And as you say, there are different forms of populism.
I find myself interested in all of them.
Even the Bernie Sanders variety.
In Europe there is left-wing populism and right-wing populism and I think what it represents is a sense of exhaustion among ordinary people with the old liberal elite, with the old technocratic elites, with the Hillary Clinton style establishment in America or the European Union in Europe.
People feel really sick and tired of those kinds of people and those kinds of institutions Looking down on them, looking down on their cultural values and their way of life and their ability to influence politics, and really treating ordinary people as schmucks who need to be bossed around all the time.
People got really sick of it.
That's why so many people voted for Trump.
That's why so many people voted for Brexit and that's why people in Europe are turning away from the mainstream parties and embracing populist ideas and populist beliefs.
And even Zelensky, Zelensky is a bit of a populist too.
Yes.
And, you know, the European Union has not always been a big fan of Zelensky.
He definitely was not their top choice to be president of Ukraine.
Across Europe there is a sense of disdain and exhaustion with that old politics and people are looking for populist democratic answers to the problems that they face.
I think that's a very exciting moment in modern politics.
Well we've seen in the last couple of years attempts to create new anti-establishment parties in the UK but none of them seem to have gained traction.
Is that correct and why so?
I think that is correct and it's, you know, Nigel Farage has tried and the Brexit party that Nigel Farage set up was very successful for a short period of time.
On that issue?
On that one issue?
On that issue, exactly.
When it looked like the establishment might stab Brexit in the back and actually prevent it from happening, The Brexit Party was very successful and in 2019 it came top in the European Union elections and it sent a bunch of Brexit Party MEPs to the European Parliament, basically to be a thorn in the side of the EU.
So it was very successful, but for a short period of time and on one issue.
I think the problem in the UK is that we have a very ossified political system.
The two big parties dominate everything.
We've got a first past the post system, which makes it very difficult for smaller parties to break through.
So there's a structural problem.
And I think if we fix some of those structural issues, we might open the space for more parties and more discussion.
But I think the bigger challenge that we face is just defending populist ideas.
against the decaying technocratic establishment and making sure that this moment in Western political life isn't lost, that it doesn't come to nothing and that we really pursue the belief that ordinary people have a right to influence the nations they live in.
Absolutely.
A great vision.
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Brandon, I think we've diagnosed the problem that we have.
You called it the cynicism vise the skepticism.
Let's be proactive and talk about how we fix it.
What do we do?
Because if it is allowed to fester, Then a larger amount of people will simply buy out of the system.
They'll believe, yes, it truly is all fixed.
Voting means nothing.
Becoming an activist, volunteering, running for even, you know, local office at the library means nothing because I can't change it.
Where do we begin to sow the seeds of some real vaccine that helps us counter the insanity of these conspiracy theorists?
That's such an important question and I think there are two things.
The first thing is that we absolutely must not fall for the idea that censorship is the solution to this problem.
And I know that there are some people in Silicon Valley, and I've spoken to friends of mine in the UK as well, who believe that the best response is to censor this kind of nonsense, especially when it gets really nasty and when people are spreading very blatant misinformation.
I think censorship is a mistake because it actually increases these people's sense that they are martyrs.
And they say, look, look, we're right.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
They say, look, we told you so.
The establishment is out to get us.
It's probably all down to the WEF who's telling Twitter to ban people.
Right.
And then they go somewhere else on the Internet and it festers and gets even worse.
And the theories get even worse.
You know, it's not A coincidence, if you look at France for example, France outlawed Holocaust denial about 25 years ago or more and it now has a very serious problem with Holocaust denial and there is at least a connection between those two things.
Because you allow these things to go underground, they're hidden away from the light of reason and discussion and debate and they get worse and worse.
So censorship is not the answer.
But I think the second thing is we've got to challenge it wherever we see it.
And that's why having this discussion with you is so important and encouraging other people who, like us, would be considered to be critics of the current political system, skeptics of expertise and certain forms of authority.
You know, that's our way of approaching politics, but we don't agree with conspiracy theories.
We think they're very problematic.
We think they have a very dispiriting impact on people's sense of themselves and their sense of what they can do in the world.
And so we call them out.
We call them out whenever we see them and we challenge them.
And I think that's the way to do it.
Not through censorship, but through a robust, free challenge to the nonsense that is emerging on the Internet and a really strong pushback.
Let me get really specific here because you know I'm looking for for advice for counsel on how we do it because we have platforms you have your platform I have mine and you know even within my team there's a disagreement as to how we approach it not strategically but but tactically what are the nuts and bolts some people say just just ignore the crazies who are trolling you don't respond to them because you can't have a reasoned discussion with an individual who thinks
That, you know, Zelensky the Jew is a Nazi, and that, you know, the KGB colonel that invaded is the good guy.
Once they believe that, it's like, well, I'm sorry, there's no conversation that can be had.
So when you say challenge it, what is it?
Is it ignoring the crazies, but then shining a light on the Big issues, the geopolitical realities.
Let me ask, what is Brendan O'Neill's response to the conspiracy theories that are now rampant?
Well, I think there's, you know, challenging the crazies on a one by one basis would be incredibly time consuming.
And I'm sure you and I and everyone else have got better things to do.
There may be instances, I've had instances of this.
The only social media I use is Instagram, which I know is quite unusual.
But I've had instances where people have said things that are so ridiculous or so repugnant that I've said to them, Look, this is absurd, it's offensive, it's prejudiced, it's vile and it's completely untrue and then you get a lot of support when you do that and people see that it's happening and I think it probably gives other people a bit of courage to do it too on their own platforms when they see this kind of stuff.
So you can challenge the crazies on a one-by-one basis but I definitely wouldn't advise doing that every day because it's just a time suck and we've all got better things to be getting on with.
But I think challenging them through having these kinds of discussions that people have public access to, through writing about the problem of conspiratorial thinking, through having that broader challenge which doesn't just take them on one by one but instead raises the bar and says listen you've all lost the plot and there are lots of people out there who are talking a lot of nonsense And conspiratorial thinking is not brave or edgy.
It's lazy and defeatist and dumb.
And I think having that kind of challenge where you make those statements publicly really put pressure on people to, you know, have some self-respect and to understand the world in a reasonable way.
And I think that's probably the most effective way to do it, to put into the public sphere the idea that it is really stupid to be a conspiracy theorist and it's much more fruitful to think carefully about the world that we live in.
Yeah, that's such an important way of couching it, that conspiratorial thinking is in fact lazy thinking.
I don't know about you, Brennan, but you know, I've got people who I consider friends, who are really, you know, PhDs in mathematics, scientists and so forth.
Maybe that's the problem because they're not versed in geopolitics or whatever, who believe this stuff!
You know, this isn't somebody who's, you know, living in a cave somewhere.
These are well, well-educated individuals who will buy any of this garbage and then propagate it.
Oh, yes.
I've noticed that over the past few years, where conspiracy theories have moved very much into the chatter in classes.
Yes.
Conspiracy theories used to be much more pronounced amongst minority communities or communities that were cut off from the mainstream, who didn't have access to certain ways of understanding the world.
And you could understand why conspiratorial thinking would take hold in some communities and some sections of society.
But in recent years, it has definitely become much more of a chattering class pursuit.
I saw that even around 9-11.
I've spoken to very respectable people here in the UK, in the media, who said, well, you know, there's something fishy about it.
And similarly with Israel, I think the hatred for Israel amongst the supposedly right thinking set has become so intense that they actually do sometimes buy into the idea that Israel is puppeteering political life.
It's the most powerful force on earth.
It has a toxic influence over America and over Britain and over Europe.
And that itself becomes a way, a conspiratorial way of thinking.
So yes, educated people are increasingly falling for this lazy way of understanding the world.
And that's incredibly worrying.
Because if the intellectual classes aren't going to push back on this stuff, then we've got a bit of trouble.
Yeah, indeed.
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Let me run a theory or a scenario by you, Brendan, that for all the horror, and maybe because of the horror of what we are witnessing in Ukraine today, with 3 million refugees, hospitals being with 3 million refugees, hospitals being bombed, civilians being targeted.
I know, how do you label?
I hate labels.
I'd say I'm, you know, an old, old school conservative, grew up under Thatcher.
Do you have a label for yourself?
I struggle a lot with labels.
That's fine.
I sometimes say humanist or Democrat but it doesn't really work.
Okay, you're not a conservative, let's say that.
So we're from different sides of, you know, either side of the aisle.
But I know you fight the crazy political correctness, you know, you fight the wokeness.
That's like our buddies on trigonometry, Francis Foster and Constantine Kisan.
Do you think that That this insanity that a man can be a woman and mathematics is colonial, do you think all of that is now teetering?
Do you think it could turn into a house of cards because of this shock to the system, this reality check that is war on the European continent again?
I mean, I hope so.
I mean, I definitely think that the Western world needs to get very serious about itself and we've spent far too long doing stupid stuff like obsessing over pronouns and cancelling people who believe in biological sex and pushing all sorts of woke politics and obsessive identity politics, divisive politics.
We've been doing that for so long and we've ignored the fact that history hasn't gone away and the Russians' invasion of Ukraine really demonstrates that.
And it was probably a mistake of Britain to shrink its military forces as we've done.
Germany is currently trying to reverse its shrinking of its military forces.
We probably shouldn't have outsourced so much of our energy production to Russia and to China and to other countries.
We should do that a bit more domestically, a bit more independently.
But the problem is that we've been so obsessed with frivolous nonsense politics, the kind of obsessive politics of the new elites, that we've lost sight of the big issues like production, producing energy.
having a strong military, having young generations who are capable of standing up for the country and capable of defending democracy.
We don't do those things anymore.
So, for example, in the week that Russia invaded Ukraine, the Ministry of Defense here in the UK, its LGBTQ wing was tweeting about pansexuality and asexuality.
Then we had the head of MI6, who by the way has his pronouns in his Twitter biography.
He says he's he him.
He was tweeting about the importance of LGBT month and what that can teach us about Russia and the invasion of Ukraine.
These people are fiddling while Rome burns.
That's what our Western identity politics represents.
An attempt to escape history and to escape Serious political issues.
And they are really fiddling with pronouns while Rome burns, i.e.
Ukraine.
You know, this is the real problem we face.
So I hope it encourages us to become more serious, to take national security more seriously and to take democracy more seriously too.
All right, last question.
That's for the leaders, I guess, for the people that shape nations, that they need to get more serious.
What about the average person, the taxpayer, the citizen, the person that listens to the Brendan O'Neill show?
Do you give them advice?
Because for me, it's the same thing every single day.
I say, get involved politically.
It's It's sexy to be a senator, it's sexy to be a president.
The thing that really matters is to do what my wife did last week, where she handed in her application to run for the board of the local community centre.
That's where politics really, you know, to use that Catholic phrase of subsidiarity, it is all local.
What advice do you give to people who are fed up, don't have a podcast, but want to help?
Yeah, I agree.
I think getting involved at any level is always a very good thing to do.
One thing I've been inspired by over the past year is the parents revolt in America, where you have all these parents groups or individual parents going to PTA meetings and school meetings and saying, look, stop teaching our kids about critical race theory.
Stop indoctrinating our children into transgender ideology or identity politics.
We don't want it.
And I think that parental pushback has been a model in some ways.
of how ordinary people can get involved in these kinds of issues and can make a real difference.
I think one of the problems in the UK is that there was so much pushback from the chattering classes against Brexit that people thought, well, you know, we voted for change and it looks like it's not going to happen.
And it took six years for it to actually happen.
So people started to lose faith.
But I think over the past few months, as we've come out of lockdown, as we've rediscovered normal life, and as we've seen war erupting in Europe in a terrible, terrible way, I've heard lots of people having discussions about the need to be more serious about our nation's life and our community I've heard lots of people having discussions about the need to And I think people should try to do that in any way they can, including by getting involved at any level of influencing that they can do.
And that's really, really important.
Sounds like you're an optimist, Brendan.
I am.
Yeah.
Good.
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