Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: American truckers on their way to D.C.
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Sources from the administration of the senile old man say the invasion of Ukraine is imminent.
A ground attack is just about to occur.
I guess they missed the one that happened three days ago.
I'm Sebastian Gawker.
This is America First coming to you live from just outside the insalubrious fetid swamp that is Washington DC.
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In the preparations for the opening of the show with our first guest, we were trying to challenge each other with the dumbest thing this administration has done.
The choice is legion.
He is the author of the book Trumponomics, former advisor to candidate Trump and President Trump, senior economic contributor to FreedomWorks.
Stephen Moore, welcome back to America First.
Hi, Sebastian, great to be with you and my nominee for the dumbest Biden policy.
And you're right, it's a very tough decision.
But I'm going to have to go with this dismantling of American energy dominance and putting us in this position is We're in right now.
But I know that you may have another choice for the dumbest thing that he's done.
I just want to celebrate.
I want to invite you to celebrate with me because at least one thing has occurred that is, well, really a turn up for the books.
Apparently, thanks to the Biden administration, time travel is now a real thing.
We have invented time travel because CBS News, not CNN, CBS News has this headline.
The US economy has been hit with increased gas prices, inflation, and supply chain issues, quote, due to the Ukraine crisis.
Which is weird, because all those things happened before the Ukraine crisis, so I guess time travel is real, Stephen!
Help me understand!
No, it's true.
I mean, we've had this energy crisis now for a year.
A year ago when Trump left office, we were pretty much completely energy independent.
We were actually exporting oil and gas to Europe.
And now we're in this position where we have to import it from Saudi Arabia and from Russia.
I was just looking at the numbers.
We're down about 2 million barrels a day in production in the U.S.
since Trump left office.
And that's just putting, you know, somewhere in the neighborhood of $170 million a day into the pockets of the Russians who filled that void.
And the only thing that Russia really has going for itself as an economy is that they produce oil and gas.
And we played right into the hands, folks, of our enemies with this crazy green energy agenda that has diminished our capacity to produce what this country was built on, oil, gas, and coal. - Yeah.
I was having a conversation with Professor Victor Davis Hanson and I said, you know, we're in this weird cat 22 situation.
I'm often asked, what would you advise this administration they should do with regards to the Ukraine?
And I'm saying, it makes no difference.
You can't fix the cake once it's been baked.
You can't, you know, once an administration has shown weakness, short of replacing the Commander-in-Chief, you can't do anything.
Is the same true for the economy?
You're the expert.
You wrote Trumponomics.
Is it just, you know, the next presidential election that will make a difference?
Are we doomed to double digit inflation, Stephen?
So the name of this show is America First, after, of course, Donald Trump.
And you'd have to say You know, I don't say this with disrespect to the presidency, but this president has put America last with respect to almost every single economic decision that he has made.
We're going to see higher gas prices.
We're going to see higher food prices over the next six to nine months, at least.
It's already baked into this cake because of decisions that Biden has made over the last year.
Don't forget, and I remind people of this all the time, the first executive order, you know the answer to this, the first executive order that Biden made when he became president was to cancel one of the key pipelines in this country, the Keystone XL, which was supposed to get our oil and gas down from North Dakota and Canada down to Houston so we could export it around the world.
Think about how the geopolitical situation would be different today, Sebastian.
If Germany were getting its natural gas from Texas and Oklahoma, not Russia.
So we're basically doomed because these individuals are hostages to their own ideology.
It's like the figures I was looking at for Germany yesterday, Stephen.
The economy, the energy sector of Germany is being run by ministers who belong to the Green Party.
People who have shut down 50% of the nuclear power plants Who have a commitment to shut the other 50% of them down by the end of the year, which means what?
More dependence on Russian gas.
So is it the same situation here because we have an administration that is such a hostage to its own anti-science rhetoric that it's going to have to be the midterms and the purse strings and it's going to have to be 2024 before we see some kind of recovery, Stephen?
Well, I just want to add something.
Yes, obviously, Joe Biden, you know, a lot of the blame is on his shoulders.
But the Europeans are not blameless here either.
I mean, Europeans have played right into the Russian and Chinese hands.
You know this.
You were in some of these negotiations.
The Europeans acted when Trump was in office like they were closer to China and Russia than they were to us in terms of alliances, which was crazy.
I mean, we're paying for their military.
You know all this.
So, you know, you've had some really bad leaders and in these European countries who sucked up to Russia, and now they are held hostiles to Russia, and now they, you know, God forbid, we have to come to the rescue.
So it's, you know, you're right.
This green menace has really put the world in a very precarious situation today.
What is it?
What do you advise to our millions of listeners across the nation from California to New York, from, you know, D.C.
to Texas?
What is it that the average American should be paying more attention to that the mainstream media doesn't want them to know or cover when it comes to the economy or the future state of the economy?
Well, the good news or bad news, however you want to view it, is the Americans get it.
I mean, they're not Americans.
They're not stupid.
They understand what's going on.
I've seen polls.
I mean, 70 to 80% of Americans agree with us that we should be producing American oil and gas, and we should be producing all of it.
Our nuclear power, our coal, all of these things have gone away under Biden.
The other thing is, if you want to understand why inflation is out of control, don't look no further than what's happening With the federal budget, which is trillions of dollars in arrears right now.
And the role of the Fed with the increase of the interest rates three or four times, is that going to make things worse?
Is it going to be enough?
What does that do for the average consumer?
Well, you know, it's interesting.
I had lunch with President Trump about three weeks ago or so at Mar-a-Lago, and we were talking about the Fed.
And every time I see him, he says to me, you know, I think one of my big mistakes was putting Jerome Powell at the Fed.
And I kind of nodded my head because Jerome Powell has been an instigator of this inflation.
They have allowed this balloon to just get bigger and bigger and bigger.
We're basically what's happening, so people understand.
The Congress is appropriating trillions of dollars we don't have.
The Treasury is then having to issue trillions of dollars of debt.
And then the Fed is buying that debt by printing money.
It's a vicious cycle that is leading to very high prices.
All right, before he gets the buzzsaw for his feed, we're going to thank Stephen Moore.
He is the author of Trumponomics.
You can follow him at Stephen Moore on Twitter.
He is Senior Economic Contributor to FreedomWorks and also a founder of the Cloud for Growth.
I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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Okay, mics are back on, mics are back on, and we still have them on the line.
Do you want to talk to him real quick?
Oh, thank you, Steve.
Yeah, thank you, Sebastian.
See you soon.
All right, appreciate it.
Thanks, buddy.
All right.
Well, that was... At first, I thought it was, like, running water, and I was like, what does he want?
Yeah, I mean... No, that was a circular saw.
Yeah, it was very evident at the end of that.
Wow, yeah.
All right.
And it was close.
It sounded as if it was right behind him.
Uh, titles for either that or the pre-record.
Uh, for Steven, um... America First, what's your name?
Uh, what was it?
Uh, CBS News invents time travel.
Alright, what did you want to say?
And then, VDH, um... Why we can't just ignore Putin.
Uh-huh.
All right.
Got it. - And I'll probably tee up cut six.
Cut six.
Yeah.
All right.
Pizza, pizza.
America first, what's your name?
All right, what did you want to say?
Got Israel coming up.
And do you want, since we did MyPillow there, do you want to do podcast in C now?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Alright, two minutes.
Do you want three I'm not interested.
I was like calling in about four different times of the same thing.
No, I do not.
I'm not interested.
Yeah, you've asked that like three or four times.
The answer's probably the same as last time.
What was that one?
Do you trust the cops?
The same guy?
Well, that's such a... I mean... It's fine to do it once, but it's the same thing every day.
And again, there's 16,000 law enforcement agencies.
Yeah, the police aren't a monolith.
You cannot... I hate when we group things together like that.
You can trust some cop.
It's just like, if you get pulled over... It doesn't matter if it's the best point in the world.
You don't call up every day.
Yeah.
It's the same thing.
If you've already been on the air.
I mean, that's ridiculous, yeah.
But, I mean, balls and strikes.
There are some cops that would go along with things and there's some that wouldn't.
It's just... I still can't believe the Australia thing.
I know.
What's his name?
Craig what?
Craig... Kelly.
Yeah, Craig.
Is he up for election or something?
Or is he... Well, I don't know.
I don't know.
We're afraid it's gonna happen in Australia.
I mean, that's... They're gonna have truckers in Australia.
I'm totally fine with people being scared of the truckers.
That is amazing.
If that's the new normal, that's awesome by me.
I've been scared of truckers.
He is the former leader of the United Australia Party.
Oh, is that one of the populist parties?
I don't know.
Interesting.
All right, we got 10 seconds coming in with Israel here.
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Somebody else!
Another group of individuals that are traveling are the truckers, allegedly on their way to D.C.
We were texting back and forth this morning about the several different initiatives and Mr. G applied his healthy dose of cynicism to it also.
Are you excited about truckers coming to disable the swamp?
No.
Okay, thank you.
Let's move on to the next topic.
Why are you anti-trucker, Geoff?
I'm not anti-trucker.
I'm a little nervous of the groups behind it.
I started looking into it.
There's three main ones.
The one guy that was coming today is basically... I think he had like 20 or 25 trucks.
It's very small.
He's the guy that's been trying to run for mayor that's using it as a stunt.
And the guy, I heard him being interviewed and he couldn't tell the interviewer how many trucks are coming.
We don't know whether it's 5 or 5,000.
You probably have a problem.
And then there's the other one that's coming, I think it's supposed to be the State of the Union.
That's the one and I look at it and I find out the main organizer, he's a guy with a very small following and he happens to be running for governor.
Oh dear.
Okay, so these are tools for individuals, but not organic like Canada.
Exactly.
And the other one I've been looking into, there's lots of people on there too that aren't very well known, but they happen to be running for Congress.
Oh gosh, it's always the same.
So sad.
We need a real organic...
Are you sad, John, because you want to see some truckers shot down D.C., don't you?
I would be glad to see some truckers come through.
But also, you don't want the bad optics.
You don't want an unorganized group coming in and muddying up the water, because we know the left takes those things and they will run for years on it.
I think somebody, you know, a young man with lots of free time could organize it.
Eric, are you there?
I've got your six as always.
Don't you think somebody should just step up to the plate and organize the truckers?
You know, a crazy young radical.
Do you know anybody like that?
I can think of many crazy young radicals who would love to take up that job.
Are you excited?
Are you as cynical as Mr. G about the multiple quasi-trucker Freedom Convoys?
Full disclosure, I did not know that.
The multiple candidates, they're all running for Congress.
He's been doing a lot of work.
He preps for the show.
I'll have you know that Mr. G preps.
Yeah, no, that definitely makes a lot of sense, because a lot of these candidates, especially in California, in deep blue seats, they're never going to win, so they're just going to grift off of y'all.
I'm gonna run against Nancy Pelosi, so that totally makes sense.
I would love to see a real, like the Canadian, an organic truck movement.
Especially a city like D.C.
I love the image of D.C.
surrounded on all sides by truckers.
And all the lobbyists and bureaucrats just terrified for a few days.
But yeah, as it stands now, I don't see that happening yet.
Yeah, but it's not just the truckers.
It's everybody.
Even the Today Show interviewed a pizza chain owner who said that his... I mean, just listen to what he... This isn't the price of fuel.
This isn't gas.
This is just somebody who's trying to make something that usually isn't too expensive.
You know, some dough, some pizza sauce, some vegetables, a little bit of Italian sausage.
Count six.
The Today Show.
50 pizza stores and more than 1,000 employees in New England.
Sal Lipoli says skyrocketing food costs and now fuel prices are taking a very big bite out of his margins.
Every product that we use has gone up substantially.
Not only is it the cost of food, Tom, and the cost of delivery of that food, but it's also the increase in the expense of us running our own vehicles.
Those rising food and fuel prices have already forced him to raise prices an unprecedented four times over the past year.
And just to be clear here, I tweeted this out just before the show started to all of my conservative friends out there who say, you know, forget about Ukraine.
This is, you know, the tail wagging the dog.
If you think things are bad now, just wait until there is a conventional war in Europe.
If you think gas is expensive?
If you think food costs?
The chip for your new car?
Makes it prohibitively expensive?
Just wait.
The wording is the following, and I'll unpack this later.
We've got an amazing three-minute cut from President Trump from 2018 that lays this all out.
But here's the bottom line.
And please, don't react viscerally.
Don't go from the gut.
Just think about it for a second.
It's not that Ukraine matters.
Ukraine doesn't directly matter to the national interest of the United States.
It's the following.
A nuclear-armed bully invading anywhere, sooner or later, will have ramifications for you.
That's the fact of the matter.
Doesn't matter whether it's even that specific part of the world.
It could be Europe.
It could be Asia.
It could be anywhere else.
But you've been a child once.
You've seen.
You've maybe suffered at the hands of the playground bully.
What happens when a bully gets away with bullying?
Sooner or later, the whole environment in which that bully exists is infected by his behavior.
And the idea that America can just sit it out, and I'm not, again, I'm not talking about the 82nd Airborne deploying to Kiev.
By the way, guys, it's not Kiev, like it's not Paris, it's Kiev.
It's not about our young men fighting for a foreign nation.
And that's not what President Trump would have done.
We wouldn't be here if President Trump was still the Commander-in-Chief.
It's what happens when America doesn't show decisiveness.
When was Ukraine last invaded?
When Obama was the Commander-in-Chief.
Now it's being invaded again when the former Vice President is the Commander-in-Chief.
When did ISIS grow out of the ruins of Al-Qaeda to become the most successful modern insurgency?
Under Obama.
It's not about invading other people's countries, it's about showing weakness.
When we show weakness, Bad men do bad things.
They exploit the vacuum.
Nature, it is said, abhors a vacuum.
Well, so do tyrants.
It's not about the direct threat to us.
It is about the secondary, the tertiary consequences, which, my friend, will affect you and your family.
So, let's have a little bit of sophistication on our side.
Isolationism didn't work in 1941, didn't work in 2001, and it's surely not going to work in 2022.
More on the Ukraine, on what's happening in Canada, what's happening in California, here on America First. . . . .
No, we've got... I've been reaching out to some.
Glenn Story wants to come on the CEO of Patriot Mobile.
All right.
Do you have his details?
It's the same marketing people as before, right?
We booked at CPAC.
Mic's on?
No, we've got...
I've been reaching out to some.
Can you...
Glenn Story wants to come on the CEO of Patriot Mobile.
All right.
Do you have his details?
If it's the same...
It's the same, like, marketing people before, right?
Well, I can connect you with him.
Yeah, just do that.
Yeah, because he's on his way there now.
When you got him on my chat, I'm sure you'll give me the number for fans before you go.
Yeah.
Awesome.
Thanks.
How are we feeling about How far Russia's going to take this?
I think VDH is completely right.
They push and push and push until it gets a little bit too messy.
And then they put down their flag and say, we did it.
And this is all we wanted to get.
And then they come back when tensions grow again.
Probably before the end of this administration.
I would say.
That trucker one in California should just go to Silicon Valley.
Ooh, I really like that.
Don't think about it.
The GoFundMe, he takes it off Twitter, wouldn't let you post it, all that stuff.
Google lists the donors of the map and all that stuff.
All of it.
Go right to the people that took down the groups.
Blockade the Palo Alto Starbucks.
Because I would love to see... That's what you want to do.
Those are publicly traded companies.
Make them drink real milk.
That would mean Zuckerberg would have to meet with them.
Could you imagine him trying to talk to...
Zuckerberg talking to truckers, that would be most amusing.
I would get the vaccine booster if Zuckerberg would meet with the truckers just to watch it.
Wow.
Who's this guy?
I recognize that guy.
Crazy.
All right, where do I do the long DJD?
Oh, well, the rest of this hour is open, so maybe D?
Yeah, the D, is what I would say.
Because that way you can commentate on either side of it.
That's really the only option, because making it 2C would kind of, or this C would be kind of tight.
And then we've got another long cut.
Oh, Saki.
Oh, that's 25 seconds.
What's the other long cut?
The other long cut is the coach.
Oh, the coach.
That was so good.
How long is that?
122.
So you could do that.
You could do that here.
Or in an E. Or an E, yeah.
Yeah, it could work in an E.
The coach is excellent.
Why can't we get him on the show?
That would be great.
You can tell he's sick of it.
Oh, he's so fed up.
The way he just throws his head back.
The one thing that did stop a little bit is that after, you know, when COVID started was the handshakes.
And I think it's something that hockey does really well is at the end of a series in the playoffs, they all get in line and shake each other's hands.
Every single person does it.
Yeah, but other sports don't do that.
It's just so classy.
Everyone on either team, there's no one who pouts and goes to the locker room.
Everyone goes out there and shakes the hand of the opponent.
So is he famous, Jeff?
Oh yeah, he's been to a ton of Final Four.
I mean, he was popular back when I was in high school.
That's how long he's done it.
He's been to, I think, eight or nine Final Fours.
How many, John?
I don't know.
Every four or five years.
Yeah, he's perennial.
Tender.
Yeah, that's our sports coming up.
We're done with football for the time being, so we've got basketball.
March Madness.
30 seconds.
Not coming in with anything?
No, we have to do something here, right?
We've got podcast and relief.
So.
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That would be rather delightful.
There is an individual called Craig Kelly who was the former leader of something called the Australia United Party, who I guess doesn't have any mirrors at home because he's in Australia and he had this to say about undemocratic people.
Cut it.
Likewise, Mr Speaker.
Australia has the right, when we see abuses of human rights in other countries, to call them out.
And so today, as all Australians, when we look upon what is happening in Canada and what their Prime Minister Trudeau is doing to the Canadian people, to the truckers in Ottawa, we should call that out as an abuse of human rights.
Loudly and clearly, this is a shame of what is happening to our great Canadian brothers.
You mean likewise in Australia?
Do you know what's happening to human rights in Australia?
Do you know you have COVID camps, Mr Kelly, in Australia?
The irony.
Human rights abuses in Canada?
When you have camps for isolating your unclean COVID citizens?
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Let's go to Tom in Cleveland.
because it's 833-334-6752.
Let's go to Tom in Cleveland.
Welcome.
Hello, Sebastian.
How are you doing?
Good.
Fantastic.
Hey, I wanted to run some- Are you talking through a sock?
You're not very clear.
Where are you?
It sounds like you've got multiple socks on your phone.
I'm driving a truck.
Okay, carry on.
We like our truckers.
Carry on.
I heard before, many, many shows ago, I couldn't get through.
I was going to ask about Donald Trump running with his daughter.
I've been talking back and forth with people about what would be a dream team like Trump and DeSantis.
Ivanka is very well spoken.
She's a brilliant woman if you ever hear her do any of her speeches.
And I was wondering what your take would be if that would be something for Donald Trump to do to get her foot in the door for if she wanted to campaign as president.
Hang on, you mean she should run with him as the vice president?
Yes, couldn't you imagine that?
Make America America again, Trump and Trump.
Not really, for many reasons, no.
Number one, usually the vice president pick brings another demographic or another region that the first ticket individual doesn't.
I'm not sure what Ivanka would bring.
Secondly, we don't really like political dynasties, especially conservatives.
The idea that we'd have another Bush dynasty, I'm not sure sends the right message.
And thirdly, honestly, I think she's probably very glad to be free of the swamp.
I think her and her husband were probably horrified by what the media did to her and the idea that she'd come back.
I think she's probably going to very wisely stay out of this disgusting city called Washington, D.C.
Those are all brilliant points, and duly noted.
Thank you for the time, sir.
You're very, very welcome.
I think if he's a sagacious individual, if he knows what he's doing, it's going to be Ron DeSantis, because if Ron DeSantis, who has proven himself in Florida by being a kind of mini version of President Trump, reinventing himself as a MAGA individual in the suit, in the guise of a governor, if he wants to be president, which I think he does, He comes in as Vice President 2024 and then in 2028...
A very smooth transition just glides into the presidency after the second Trump term.
So I think a lot of people are talking about that ticket.
The fact that the mainstream media is trying to stir up this fake tension between Ron DeSantis and President Trump tells you, tells you that they're worried about that tag team there, which is perhaps another reason that it should happen.
There is no tension between those individuals.
And if Ron's smart, that's exactly what he's going to do.
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I'm kind of ignorant to the...
That was always one of my least favorite things of fighting.
What, what, what?
I'm kind of ignorant to the forced fighting for Ukraine.
If they hop across the border and really engage right now, who's...
Really?
Who's there backing them?
How long is it going to be an attack imminent?
I thought they already invaded.
They invaded.
They literally invaded.
Yeah.
Well, no, it was, um, what was it?
It's peacekeeping operations, I believe was the term.
Yes.
Well, that's, that's Moscow's term.
That's their term for it.
Yeah.
Um, there was something I didn't use yesterday.
What did I not use yesterday that we said we're going to use today?
We had a lot of cuts.
So, uh, a lot.
You, you played Bolton.
You played... We didn't use the teacher.
We didn't use Rittenhouse.
We did not play Rittenhouse.
What is the one thing you mentioned, Geoff?
Oh, the trans thing!
Which... Oh.
The trans thing.
Yeah, that with Jen, that's California.
Yeah, that's Jen, Jen, Jen.
Okay, good, good, good.
That's what I was thinking of.
Which video is that?
Okay.
Oh, that's not a video.
It is a video.
Okay, we're gonna do the... It's five from yesterday.
Oh, that!
We're gonna do the Trump one here.
Trump cut here.
That was my least favorite thing from House of Cards when they did that, when Kevin Spacey just chooses his wife to be his running mate, so it's an Underwood, Underwood ticket.
I'm like, that would literally never happen.
That's ridiculous.
If I were to pick Ivanka for anything, I'd rather be in charge of the RNC.
Oh, no, no, no, no.
That should be Eric.
Can you come in with Yesterday's 14?
Yesterday's 14.
Kyle.
I heard Eric on a podcast.
Yeah?
He was, like, furious.
It was funny.
He never really opened up.
What was the issue?
He said he was ready to smash his laptop.
Talk about how bad Biden is screwed up and everything and stuff like that.
What was the podcast, do you remember?
That one I listen to all the time, that Drinking Bros podcast.
Oh, Drinking Bros.
If you get about halfway into it, he's really good.
But the one impression I think he got from it is I think he understands that the staff was an issue.
He does?
He kind of went about personnel a little bit.
That's huge.
He's like, we'd be so much smarter the second time around.
Yeah, but who's building the bench?
Yeah, that's the problem.
Right?
The Drinking Bros, a nice beard action there.
Coming in with yesterday's 14.
He was on, I think, last week or something.
It was pretty good, though.
This is a nice title.
Hillary Clinton is a full-blown criminal.
Oh, here we go.
Here we go, got it.
So is Germany going to send those troops?
No, no, hang on, hang on, no, no, no, no.
Germany has sent 500 helmets.
Yeah, I mean, like, I don't know what that graphic's supposed to say.
Hold on, what?
They sent 500 helmets?
Yeah.
They wanted 5,000 or something, or 50,000 or whatever, and they sent like 5,000.
Don't forget your bicycle helmets, kid!
- Yeah, all right. - Dr. G is in the house on America First.
Um, well, right now we're looking at quite a few.
Politicians, celebrities, athletes.
Whoopi Goldberg's on the list.
She called me a murderer after I was acquitted by a jury of my peers.
She went on to still say that.
And there's others.
Don't forget about Cenk from the Young Turks.
He called me a murderer before verdict and continues to call me a murderer.
That is the young Carl Rittenhouse with Tucker Carlson.
He's creating a new organization to fight the smear artists, including Cenk Uygur, Whoopi Goldberg, and all those who called him a murderer even after he was acquitted.
So it's not just Cash Patel, it's Carl Rittenhouse.
Good for him.
And just like, uh, what is the name of the Covington Kid young boy?
The Nick Sandman who we think is, what, tens of millions of dollars richer because of the agreements settled out of court with CNN, The Washington Post and others.
Fabulous news, fabulous.
Okay, we're going to go to your cause momentarily, but I'm continuing my jag on trying to get our side to understand what's happening in Europe, understanding why Ukraine matters, not because of Ukraine,
But because of what Russia will do to that region, the ramifications for all of us, and who better to explain it than, well here's a clip Mr. G found of my old boss, four years ago, explaining why we are where we are, how our quote-unquote European Allies have empowered Russia and white needs to stop and the ramifications for you just when you're trying to fill up a tank of gas back here in the United States.
So this was four years ago.
President Trump cut 10.
It's very sad when Germany makes a massive oil and gas deal with Russia, where you're supposed to be guarding against Russia, and Germany goes out and pays billions and billions of dollars a year to Russia.
So we're protecting Germany, we're protecting France, we're protecting all of these countries.
And then numerous of the countries go out and make a pipeline deal with Russia, where they're paying billions of dollars into the coffers of Russia.
So, we're supposed to protect you against Russia, but they're paying billions of dollars to Russia, and I think that's very inappropriate.
And the former chancellor of Germany is the head of the pipeline company that's supplying the gas.
Ultimately, Germany will have almost 70% of their country controlled by Russia with natural gas.
So you tell me, is that appropriate?
I mean, we've, like, been complaining about this from the time I got in.
It should have never been allowed to have happened.
But Germany is totally controlled by Russia, because they will get it from 60 to 70 percent of their energy from Russia and a new pipeline.
And you tell me if that's appropriate, because I think it's not.
And I think it's a very bad thing for NATO, and I don't think it should have happened.
And I think we have to talk to Germany about it.
On top of that, Germany is just paying a little bit over 1%, whereas the United States, in actual numbers, is paying 4.2% of a much larger GDP.
So I think that's inappropriate also.
You know, we're protecting Germany, we're protecting France, we're protecting everybody, and yet we're paying a lot of money to protect.
Now, this has been going on for decades.
This has been brought up by other presidents, but other presidents never did anything about it.
Because I don't think they understood it, or they just didn't want to get involved.
But I have to bring it up, because I think it's very unfair to our country, it's very unfair to our taxpayers.
And I think that these countries have to step it up, not over a 10-year period, they have to step it up immediately.
Germany is a rich country.
They talk about they're going to increase it a tiny bit by 2030.
Well, they could increase it immediately tomorrow.
And have no problem.
I don't think it's fair to the United States.
So we're going to have to do something because we're not going to put up with it.
We can't put up with it.
And it's inappropriate.
So we have to talk about the billions and billions of dollars that's being paid to the country that we're supposed to be protecting you against.
You know, everybody's talking about it all over the world.
They'll say, well, wait a minute, we're supposed to be protecting you from Russia, but why are you paying billions of dollars to Russia for energy?
Why are countries in NATO, namely Germany, having a large percentage of their energy needs paid, you know, to Russia and taken care of by Russia?
Now, if you look at it, Germany is a captive of Russia, because they supply.
They got rid of their coal plants, they got rid of their nuclear.
They're getting so much of the oil and gas from Russia.
You take a look at some of the countries, they won't accept it because they don't want to be captive to Russia.
But Germany, as far as I'm concerned, is captive to Russia because it's getting so much of its energy from Russia.
So we're supposed to protect Germany, but they're getting their energy from Russia.
Explain that.
And it can't be explained.
You know that.
Can I just tell you, for those who don't know my back story, I spent a long time doing counter-terrorism, that's why I got into the White House.
Before that, at the age of 23, I cut my teeth first on NATO issues.
I was actually doing NATO issues in Europe for the longest time.
That was never said at any NATO meeting by any American delegation.
That was at a NATO summit.
And it wasn't our ambassador, it was the president, reading them the Riot Act, the truth.
Guys, you're supposed to be spending 2% of GDP.
It's a club.
You can't have some members of the club pay 50% of the dues and then we have to pick up the rest of the tab.
And then what about the fact we're supposed to defend you from the threat that you're paying billions to?
Billions into the coffers of the Kremlin.
Gosh you gotta love that man.
That is why we need him back because he told the world the truth about the freeloaders.
He told the world the truth about Who the threats are and why.
If you don't step up, seriously, then you're not a friend.
You're not an ally.
We will stand shoulder to shoulder with you if you are serious.
But you're not serious.
2% of your GDP.
That's all you're supposed to do as a NATO member.
That was the gentleman's agreement.
2% of your gross domestic product should be spent on your own defence.
So you look serious!
Less than a third of the NATO nations are doing that.
And the richest one, Germany, you heard him there.
Less than 1%!
And what, we're supposed to pick up the rest of the slack because what?
Because...
Because you couldn't take the threat to your national security seriously?
All right, we've got to post that video.
That is absolutely... That explains why we are where we are, because this president is a coward, is weak, and that's when the bad guys get busy.
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Next time someone calls him a bumbling buffoon or a puppet of Russia, boom.
Or doesn't understand foreign policy.
And he's not reading off-com.
And you know what the most beautiful part of that is?
When you watch the video, that scumbag Kelly just staring at the ceiling.
Eric did the same thing, and he was writing down the whole time.
I watched him that whole time.
He's looking awkwardly away.
He's writing down, drinking.
Staring at the ceiling, and then Pompeo's got this kind of little kind of tiny little smirk.
Like, the boss is going.
He's a guy who obviously understands what's going on.
It's not that complicated.
I would love to see the facial reactions to the moment he said, yo, the Chancellor of Germany, by the way, is with the company.
The reactions from the people.
I was writing papers on this in the mid-90s.
It was called the Freeloader Complex of NATO.
And nobody talked about it.
It's unbelievable.
Nobody talked about it.
And the other part, they're making right, yeah.
And there's no way to defend it, so just move on.
Just ignore it.
Nobody has an explanation.
You can't answer it.
Okay, let's move on.
That was one of the absolute best things he could do as president.
He was not afraid.
By the way, that was another thing the media hated.
They were upset that, oh, he's trying to kill NATO.
Right.
Also, clips like that just show me that anyone who has these criticisms, these basic criticisms of Trump, just literally never listened to them.
Ever.
Right.
Not even remotely.
It's amazing.
Because that's a puppet of Russia.
And this is the trouble, if you've been in politics, and I think this, you know, Ron and everybody else, if you've been in politics long enough, there's no way you do that at an event.
Yeah, you can't do, oh it's going to offend this, well this happens.
You never walk into an event and say, okay, I'm just going to turn over the tables, which is what he did.
All the time.
All right, five seconds of pod here.
You're listening to America First with Dr. G.
All right, I meant to take some calls there, but that cut was too good.
Kim, California, welcome!
Hello.
Hey.
You know, What I'm calling about is a guest on, oh, a couple months ago, and I don't remember what all it was about, but one thing he was giving was, he was actually trying to give the Democrats some advice in trying to get rid of the AOC and the extreme left.
And I have some of the same thoughts for the Republican Party.
Who are the extremists you want to get rid of, Kim?
Well, no, your guest was suggesting... No, I understand.
Who do you want to get rid of?
Who are the extremists you want to get rid of on our side?
Those that are so anti-abortion.
Why?
Do you think killing children is a good thing?
It's a necessary thing in life sometimes.
Abortion is necessary?
You are an evil scumbag.
Go away.
It is never, never justified.
Killing an innocent is never justified.
How dare you?
You're an old man by the sounds of it.
The fact that you would do that in the dotage of your years, say that it is sometimes necessary, it is never Line one, Judy.
Hey.
Hey, cheer me up, Judy.
Hey, love to speak to you.
Dr. Gorka, you're the best.
You know, I'm calling because I need to vent a little.
I'm calling about- No, I just vented!
You gotta cheer me up, come on!
All right, vent away, vent away.
Have a venting.
I'll cheer you up because you're going to CPAC.
You're going to be awesome.
You're going to be great.
You're going to challenge all of your anger and your frustration.
A fantastic speech you're going to give, I'm sure.
So listen.
I'm calling because of this brainless Biden with his decisions, and I'm also calling that Jen Psaki, whatever her name is, who gets under my skin, Dr. Gorka.
Oh, yeah.
First of all, first of all, I had the same thought as Stephen Moore, which is this Manchurian president, Biden.
He gets in first day and he empowers Russia.
And the reason this is happening is because that's what he's done on the first day, because he's a Manchurian president, too.
Biden was talking about something about nuclear power.
And what comes to my mind is, yeah, He's reinstating this dangerous deal with Iran, which is the biggest terrorist country, which threatens democratic countries like Israel off the face of the map, whatever.
Threatens America, and he threatens Sunni countries.
And then here's Jen Psaki, whatever her name is, with her ridiculous statement that Biden, unlike his predecessor, is able to globally unite.
Well, guess what, Dr. Gorka?
He's able to unite because all these countries are united because of Biden's brainless decision.
They're actually afraid of World War III, guys.
And the other thing they're uniting, he is uniting nations.
He's uniting the bad nations against us.
Great call.
We got a cut from Saki we're going to use later.
God bless you, Judy.
I feel moderately better.
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The End And he said to, like, you know, oh, we've got to get rid of some extremists in our party.
I was embracing, like, okay, he's going to say MTG.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
People who want to protect babies.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Let's get rid of them.
Right.
Unbelievable.
I did not see that coming.
I don't think that's an extreme in the party.
That's pretty mainstream.
It's one of the few where we're winning, like, in the mainstream media.
People like that who often say thank you, then you realize it's just like...
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Can I talk to my favorite Caucasian heterosexual female radio host?
Yes, my pronouns are she and her.
No, I thought they were princess.
They are.
That's actually what I like to address.
Mine are warlord and your majesty.
Thank you, your majesty.
Nice to be here with you today.
All right.
Well, we're going to have a couple of cuts I want to play because they're so good.
But let's talk about... And thanks for what you did for Don yesterday.
That was really, really nice of you.
You didn't have to do it.
That was great.
Let's talk about Don.
Let's talk about Rich Higgins as well.
My buddy.
So... Yeah.
Gosh.
It's enough of this stuff, huh?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he was only in his 40s.
I saw that.
Yeah.
Just never know.
Got to enjoy every single day.
Mm-hmm.
Where's your Skype?
Ugh, I look like hell.
It's my fault.
I said, can we just avoid the cameras today?
My eyes are swollen.
I just went to the dentist.
I look like a mess.
I know.
Wasn't a root canal, was it?
It was a hard day yesterday.
No, just a lot of crying from my eyes yesterday.
Right.
And so, stupid, which is, I can't believe.
14.
Just on and off all day.
Standby.
All right.
That's a good sign.
All right.
This is America First, and here's your host, Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
Welcome back, dear friends.
I never talk about first, second, third hours of the show.
This is no monologue second hour, because this is the time when we connect to our West Coast warrior princess, the hardest working lady in radio.
I think she might just be the hardest working radio host out there.
Jennifer Horne, are you there?
I am here.
I'm so happy to be here with you today.
Good to have you here.
Host of the Morning Answer, still training in that Granstonsville chappie, AM 590, AM 870, the answer.
We always have fun.
You give us updates from the West Coast, but first we have to talk about some serious things.
I'll start with my sad news, my former National Security Council colleague.
I knew him long before that.
He was a former NCO in the EOD.
Community Explosive Ordnance Disposal, then worked, ran some amazing projects for the Special Operations Command, a great patriot.
He ended up in the White House as Director of Strategic Affairs, Rich Higgins.
Young man, married, four young daughters, got the COVID infection, had a bad recovery from the COVID infection, had to get an organ transplant.
Couldn't get one the first time, that was cancelled about three weeks ago.
Just had the organ transplant two days ago, and we lost him.
We lost Rich Higgins at 3 a.m.
this morning.
Thank you.
I'm kind of angry with some people out there because this morning I posted everywhere the death notice of my former colleague Rich Higgins and I said if you'd like to support his widow and his four young children Here's the GoFundMe page.
And I get these snarky comments about, oh, I'm not giving anything to GoFundMe!
Guys, read the bloody link first.
It was made long before the trucker problem.
It was made when he was sick almost a year ago.
So don't be an ass, OK?
Read the links other people post.
And when somebody's died, count to 10 before you actually respond something that dumb.
Sorry, that's my venting.
That's my venting.
I could talk a lot more about the leftists who said diabolical things in the comments after I mentioned Rich's passing, but that's the left.
I'm not going to dwell on that.
Let's talk about the very sad news you bring from the radio world in California.
Yeah, thanks so much, too.
I know you did a little tribute to Don yesterday.
And my former co-host, actually, I think, Seb, the reason that we even met was because of Don Dick.
Yes.
And he was quite an advocate.
He was an activist in California.
Wasn't always that way.
He was a gemologist.
He traveled with the carnival, if you can believe it.
He was a what?
He was a gemologist.
I didn't know that.
Yeah, financial advisor for a while.
When he was a young crazy guy in his 20s, he used to travel with the carnival for a summer.
He was a carny.
And he just did a lot of crazy things and had a rich and colorful life and stress kind of took its toll and he decided he wanted to do something meaningful with his life.
Yes!
Yes!
started to work on activism, making California a better place.
And boy, he really did.
And the way that the connection between between you, Seb, and your wife and me is that Don would got very involved with national security first before he even got into politics.
Yes.
Al-Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood.
That's right.
And he sat for a briefing from your wife, from Katie, and started talking with her.
We had her on the program.
Of course, she was fantastic.
And then I think she mentioned to Don, you know, my husband's got this book out.
And that was when we all kind of came together for the first time.
And then Inland Empire, and then you took me around, and it was thanks to you and Don, and I, you know, total mea culpa.
I've done it several times on this show.
You don't give up, even on places like California.
When you meet at different events again and again and again, good Americans saying, we've had it with sanctuary cities, we've had it with the gas tax, we've had it with this punitive anti-business environment, you realize there are good people everywhere, Jen.
And they actually take, you know, it takes these good people to fight back.
The government's not going to save us.
Unfortunately, I'd like to say Republican politicians are going to save us.
Even President Trump.
It's us.
We are going to save us.
We are going to save the Republican.
One thing I'm really proud of is that Don in his literally what now has become his last year, he passed away from ulcerative colitis, developed this app.
So he, after national security started getting involved in local politics, started to run the GOP in Riverside County, a member of the Central Committee, elected member, and he developed this app, which I hope to be rolled out throughout California, in his name, using his legacy.
Because this app said Riverside County was the only county that voted to recall Gavin Newsom.
And it was Don's blood, sweat, and tears that put together this system that showed you who had voted, when they had voted, and it got volunteers together to go knocking on doors.
And it made the difference in Riverside County.
So this is an app that tracks voter preferences, voter, voter preference, voter turnout.
And he's hoping he's already on the, you know, he was on the plan to roll it out in a bigger way.
And, you know, it's my hope that there are enough people in Riverside County who can keep that legacy just marching along for Don, because he was really proud of that.
And he got sick right after the recall.
So maybe he worked too hard.
Maybe his, his resistance was down because he was so much, he was fighting, fighting for our state and getting people up off the couch and volunteering and being active.
So today just Remember, we can do something, whether it's talking to someone about our conservative principles, posting something small on social media, sharing a post or crying out loud.
You can do that today.
I'm going to do it every day that I continue to fight in his honor.
And he leaves a widow and a daughter?
Yes, he has.
He and his partner Annette were together a very long time.
His daughter, by a different woman, is his first marriage.
His daughter Alex is gorgeous and wonderful and is engaged to be married and I know Don would have liked to have been there for that.
But she's got lots of love and support around her.
I just talked to her today and you know it's hard.
Everybody was hopeful that he would recover and so After a surgery, passing away, and recovery, I think there were a lot of disappointed, sad people, but we realized that he's in a better place and that he leaves behind this connection.
He connected everybody.
Yeah, and he was just one of these people that you meet, you know, it's easy, especially in this city, to be hard-nosed, cynical.
One of these guys that reinstills your confidence in humanity when you meet people like Don Dix.
Happy warrior, 100%.
He was a happy warrior.
I want first, for everybody who, even if you didn't know Rich Higgins, even if you didn't know that he was fired from the White House because of a memo he gave to the President on the Deep State, turned into a book called The Memo.
If you want to do something for him, at the top of my Instagram feed in my bio is the link to the GoFundMe for his widow and for his four daughters.
If you see Rich's photograph on my Twitter feed, you'll find the link there on Facebook.
So if you want to do something good today, please support the Higgins family that Rich leaves behind.
He was, I think it was 45, 44 years old, a young, young man.
Too young.
Don was, I think, 65.
What is the one take home?
If you have to give a eulogy today, I know it's early, I know you've had a very, very tough day yesterday, Jennifer.
What is the big thing that Don Dix taught you about About what we need to do differently.
I think, you know, what we are all doing, our inclination, and I don't mean us necessarily, but I think collectively, our inclination is to stay within our own lane, to focus on what's going in our own life.
You know, I look, it makes me nuts.
I see these kids playing these virtual reality games where they create their own reality and they forget that they have to contribute to the rest of the world.
And I think one thing that Don did is he lived each day with passion.
He was happy to do what he did.
I don't even feel sad for him right now.
I feel sad for the rest of us because he's gone.
Yeah.
But he was living his dream.
He was doing exactly what he wanted to do, and he was making a difference.
And so, I guess, remember the outside world.
That's what he taught me.
Remember that it's not just about you.
There's a greater plan, a bigger picture, and connect with people.
And I think that's what he left behind.
I think that's what all of the hundreds of people who have reached out over the last 24 hours have said.
Don gave me my career in politics.
I work in Washington, D.C.
because of Don.
He trained me to be an activist.
I mean, he just didn't forget that it wasn't just about him or his his lane.
He was out there making things better.
And one of the things that I think for conservatives, the word the word activist has become so pejorative.
We, you know, we think of Saul Alinsky.
We think of Obama.
Think of it this way.
Think of one of the lessons of Don is you've got to be prepared to leave your comfort zone.
You know, one of the scariest things I ever did is, you know, when your kids are little and they dive off the 50-foot jumping board on holiday and you don't want to do it, you know, you just get up there, you take your heart in your mouth and you say, okay, I'm going to do this, I'm going to jump off that.
It's the same for saving this country.
When you think, oh, I can't knock on doors.
I can't greet strangers and tell them, you know, hey, what do you think about the future of America?
No, you can do that.
And that's, I think, one of the great things that, you know, the positive content of activists, correct?
Absolutely.
And it's very funny because I think activist does have kind of a negative connotation now.
And when we first met, they matched us together.
We had some chemistry doing the show.
He calls me, says, why do you do radio?
I said, well, I love radio.
I'm a student of radio.
My dad was in radio.
I love to entertain.
I love to tell stories.
I love to connect.
And he's like, oh, and he almost sounded like he was judging me.
I said, what do you mean?
Oh, I said, why are you doing radio?
And he said, to change, to change the state, to change the world.
Yeah.
Focus, focus.
She's Jennifer Horne, host of The Morning Answer, AM 590, AM 870, The Answer, syndicated on DJVshow at djvshowcrntalk.com as well.
I'm Sebastian Gawker.
We'll be back with Jen after these messages.
It's similar to Crohn's.
Oh, it is?
Yeah, it's very similar to Crohn's.
It's like the brother or sister disease, but it's an inflammation of the colon.
Crohn's is awful.
I had a friend of mine whose girlfriend had Crohn's.
It's just one of the worst things I can imagine.
And that's what he was going through.
He was in tons of pain.
And he'd go out to these events still and not say a word.
And then he just couldn't because he lost so much weight that he lost all of his muscle.
He had to be carried out of the house back and forth.
And he just got so weak.
But the doctor said to our friend, Dr. Jeff Barkey, who's been on this program, who was helping consult Don.
The doctor, after the surgery on Sunday, said that the colon was in such bad shape that it was just shredded.
And he had never seen anything like it in his life.
He was in sepsis on Sunday, which is why they had to do that emergency surgery.
When did he get really sick?
When did it start?
He started to go downhill literally right after the recall, but he got very sick around Christmas.
And I started, well, it was before then, I started doing his show for him because, you know, we're not doing Jen and Don anymore.
I had gotten away from that.
He was doing the show himself and I started doing it for him in October, I want to say.
So it's been a while since he's been really sick.
But he was doing better.
He got medicine.
He was getting treated.
He felt stronger.
And then on his third dose of this infusion, he had a seizure and developed this allergy.
So they couldn't give him that medicine anymore.
And that was a setback for him.
And that happened about a month ago.
And on that same day, his wife lost her mother who was living with them.
So she died while the paramedics were attending to Don in the house.
Oh my gosh.
So this poor woman is going back into a completely new reality.
Does she have any family?
She's got a brother.
I know she's got kids.
I think she's got a couple of sons.
And I think she has a brother and sister-in-law nearby.
So, I hope that they're there for her.
I know they were at the mortuary today when I talked to, because they asked me to eulogize today, and I was like, oh, that's going to be the hardest thing.
Where?
On the radio, or?
No, at the service on March 12th, the memorial service that they're having.
Tomorrow we're going to do a tribute, too, on the radio show, and I'm going to use your tribute from yesterday, if you don't mind.
We're going to put that up.
Oh, of course.
Of course.
I mentioned it to Danielle today.
All right, I'll see you at CPAC.
All right, buddy.
Bye, Jeff.
Be safe.
I think your news thing is kind of interesting.
Oh, OK.
So you guys are headed down today on a happier note?
He's heading down now, and I'm going to take the early flight tomorrow.
Nice.
You going to be there for the big guy, the boss?
Oh, yeah.
I'll be warming up the audience.
You're going to warm the crowd for him?
All right, see you.
See you.
All right, take it easy.
So we have that cut from yesterday, cut five that you wanted to play?
Yes, I'll tee it up.
Alright, it's two minutes long.
Did you just put a poll of people who approve and disapprove of Biden's, you know, dealing with Russia?
Uh-huh.
Who are the 36% of people?
I know, I know.
I always wonder that.
And it's always in the 30s.
Have you noticed that?
Yeah.
There's like a ding dong.
It's the ding dong population.
And there's about 30%.
Yeah, the bell curve.
He hasn't even hit his floor yet.
That's the best part.
Alright.
Alright.
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And we must provide you with breaking news.
And this is rather interesting.
The two prosecutors heading the Manhattan District Attorney's criminal probe into Donald Trump and his business practices have suddenly resigned from their posts.
Well, isn't that interesting?
I wonder what they have to hide.
What do you think, Jennifer Horne?
You know, I think we were together this week, Seb.
You were on The Morning Answer with me when I played the Attorney General, Letitia James, saying that, or Kathy Hochul, excuse me, the governor of New York, saying it's great, Letitia James, that you get Trumpism where it lives.
I'm sorry, your job is to, I don't know, prosecute a case, find out if there's a real crime, not go after Trumpism wherever it lives.
Maybe this is a sign that they were being pushed into the wrong direction.
What do you think about that?
I think we will get more information on that.
Let's talk about California.
We've got a story about a transition closet in a California high school in Oakland, but I wanted to play this cut since yesterday.
Unbelievable from KTLA News in California.
Cut 5 for Jennifer.
Micah, the parents tell us that their children came home from camp.
They were asking a lot of questions about gender and pronouns.
The parents then reached out to the camp director who told them that counselors, biological males who identify as they-them, are permitted to spend the night in cabins with the young girls.
In the parking lot of Weaver Elementary School in Los Alamitos, a group of parents.
No parent should feel the way I feel after knowing what could have happened to my daughter.
Upset by the sleeping arrangements at a school organized science camp.
I contacted the school and I asked them if they were able to confirm that there was not a man Actually sleeping in the same cabin as the girls.
They were not able to confirm that.
The parents say their fifth grade girls told them some of the biologically male counselors at Camp Pally in San Bernardino identified as they them and spent three nights sleeping in cabins with the young girls.
They're asleep, they use the shower, they go to the restroom.
Camp Pelly confirms, per California state law, we place staff in cabins they identify with.
Parents say they're not accusing anyone of a crime, but they are angry the school district did not let parents know about the policy.
A spokesperson told us the district takes all complaints and concerns seriously and is currently investigating.
These parents say they just want others to be informed of the policy so they can make decisions for their own families.
It's awful that children had to even experience this in fifth grade camp.
If I was aware of it and I had initialed something saying that this was going to be done at this outdoor science camp, I would have kept my child home.
Yeah, so those parents insist that they should have been informed about this policy before they sent their kids off to camp, and now they want the school district to step up.
They want them to inform the parents of the hundreds of other kids who were also on that trip.
We're live tonight, Los Alamitos.
I'm Sandra Mitchell, KTLA 5 News.
Sharon Micah, back to you.
Such a measured diplomatic little report there.
Grown men in the same cabin with 11-year-old young girls.
How are the parents not out there with, you know, torches and pitchforks, Jennifer Horne?
You know, I really think that they are, Seb.
I think stuff like this is waking them up.
I think the problem is that these schools are just doing this kind of under the cover of darkness.
I mean, I don't know.
I remember the good old days, you know, maybe when you were growing up, when I was growing up, where our parents would maybe keep us away from the boys camp or the girls camp in the middle of the night because they knew that there were going to be problems.
And now you have people who are capitalizing on the fact that they can choose their own pronoun and people throw biology out the window.
I just, I feel like though, if you look at the polling, This is going to be the issue that is going to sink Democrats.
I think you're right.
Especially with minority demographics.
But are they aware, so this is my question, this is one news story that pops up on the radar screen, but are most people who are just paying the bills, don't watch cable news, do they know what these local authorities are doing?
Oh, I think people are really waking up.
Did you hear the story about Hannah Tubbs in California?
No.
It's been a big story the last couple of weeks.
So Hannah Tubbs was originally James Tubbs.
And a few weeks shy of his 18th birthday, he went into a Denny's bathroom and molested and raped a 10-year-old girl.
Oh, this is the guy who was put into a juvenile facility.
Right?
So George Gascon, the very leftist DA, because he said he wouldn't prosecute juveniles, put him into a juvenile facility, even though the guy is now 26 years old, because it was a cold case crime.
And there was some phone call, some intercept or something?
What's the latest?
What was the content of that phone call?
So this guy then decides to transition so he goes into a girls juvenile facility even though he's a man and a sexual predator.
He took a plea deal with George Gascogne.
He'll be out before the summer.
He won't even be on the sexual offender registry list so he can go work in a preschool.
At the end of summer, if he wants to, even though he's a child molester.
He made phone calls to his father, to other sources where he disparaged the victim, things that the media won't even print.
He said so nasty about this 10-year-old girl at the time.
He also laughed about how he knew he wasn't going to get in trouble because of this DA and because he knew if he just said he'd plead guilty that he would be out by the end of summer and wouldn't even be on the sex registry list.
He played the system, and George Gascogne said that he didn't know about this, and now he might have to consider changing the rules about prosecuting juveniles.
But the truth has come out that he had these tapes, and he had them for weeks ahead of, prior to making the plea deal with this guy.
Right, his subordinate had sent them to him weeks before.
However, given the reporting I'm seeing, Gascogne is in trouble with his own prosecutors, is he not?
Yeah, and this is part of it.
And this is why I think this is the sinking issue here.
So there's a new, they went through and surveyed, I think there's 883 deputy DAs.
883 deputy DAs.
And of those deputy DAs, like 97 and change percent, almost 98 percent said that they want to get George Gascon out.
The recall for him is huge.
I mean, think about it.
If all of the people that work for you wanted to get you out, there'd be real problems.
And that's what's happening with George Gascon to the tune of hundreds of people working underneath him who knows he is ineffective.
What does that mean in practice?
If you've got 98% of your subordinates, how can he stay?
How can he stay?
And we've got a mayoral race coming up because the lovely Eric Garcetti has termed out.
He's going to India for Joe Biden.
And not one, just one candidate on the stage to become LA mayor and Karen Bass, who's a congresswoman and former candidate to be vice president.
She's up there.
Several others will stand for the recall of George Gascogne.
I really believe And I know I was all about the recall of Gavin Newsom.
There is an opportunity.
I believe he's going to be recalled.
I believe Chesa Bowden is going to be recalled in the spring.
I think there is a shift.
At least it feels that way if people are waking up to the fact that these policies and these people are no longer serving us.
So exciting.
Just as Don Dix taught us, anything is possible even in California.
Rest in peace.
Please say prayers for Don and his family and my colleague Rich Higgins and his.
We've been talking to Jennifer Horne.
Follow her right now at Jennifer Horne.
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They always ask me every year, Next year maybe.
Definitely.
You should come to Radio Row.
I know, I know.
That's what I keep telling Chuck.
Maybe I'll do it.
Maybe next year with Grant we'll make the trip.
You should.
We'd have fun.
We'll have a great time.
Yeah, Katie's going to be there.
Oh, tell her I said hi.
I will.
And if you see the president, you know, the big guy, tell him.
I'll tell him.
Jennifer Horne gives you big hugs.
Tell him I'm ready to vote.
I'm ready to vote right now.
You're ready to be his press secretary.
I'll be his press secretary.
That's what we want.
I'll stand in his sandwich board on the outside of Mar-a-Lago.
I'll do whatever he wants.
All right.
God bless.
All right, you guys.
Have a good one.
Bye.
Okay.
So Vance is the segment after K'nex.
You just can't be a they.
You can't be they.
They are multiple.
It's plural.
I don't understand the they thing.
I mean, all the other stuff is going, but why is the first thing they?
To imply it's neither gender.
Or you're bi?
Is that why?
Is that why it's gay?
No, no, no.
For me, that would immediately imply schizophrenia.
Multiple personality disorder.
I'm a they because I'm not!
That it would be more appropriate.
Multiple personality disorder, yeah.
That.
Hey, why isn't Media Matters talking?
Where's ZakiPoo?
ZakiPoo asked me if I'm coming to CPAC.
I've got- Dude, will you PLEASE come to CPAC?
I need more footage of Squeaky Voice.
Please!
Come on!
Tell me you're coming.
What?
I know!
I need- I need Squeaky Voice!
Squeaky Voice.
Come on.
Please.
CPAC.
What?
I would love to see more footage of like when he got trolled.
I know!
I need squeaky voice!
Squeaky voice!
Come on.
Please.
Media matters too.
I can never remember who he works for.
Who does he work for?
I think it's Daily Beast.
Is it Salon?
Or is it Beast?
I think it's Daily Beast, yeah.
They all merge together.
I think both of them actually.
What?
I think both Salon and Daily Beast.
It's not Slate.
It's not Slate.
I know for a while you'd say it's either Salon or Slate.
Yes, I'd say Slate.
Yeah, it's not Slate.
We should make one called Scum and it's just all of them.
It's Scum.
It's a conglomerate where you get all your garbage left.
It's the holding company for Slate, Daily Beast, and uh...
It's an app where you get fed all of their content.
Scum.
Just download the scum app.
Just take it and then we'll just shoot ads at you with terrible content.
Get like Zach.
Get like Jared Holt.
It's not Zach.
It's Zachy Poo.
Zachy Poo.
Zachy Poo.
The CNN plus of apps.
The former college Republican Zachary Poo.
How do you do?
I don't understand.
I don't understand how you go left to right.
I don't understand how you go right to left.
It doesn't track.
Did you have any experience with the college republicans, John?
Yeah, I was president of my chapter college.
Okay, did you ever deal with like state leadership?
Yeah.
Oh, they suck.
They're over Overwhelmingly, they're Paul Ryan bowtie-wearing losers.
I remember spending hours one day in Richmond and I walked out because it was like a seven-hour election because everyone was protesting each other and it's just weird diplomatic.
I'm like, oh, this is just deep state.
It's just the next generation of deep state sitting right in front of you.
Swampy BS.
Oh my goodness.
You're a college organization.
Oh my god, why would you want to do that?
You're a young kid.
Just have fun.
Please.
You know, do the fun part about being a Republican, not the garbage Capitol Hill.
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Because they're hiding something.
This is from our colleague at Town Hall, Matt Vesper.
Greetings, Matt.
Just a little news report on the data that you're not allowed to know.
CDC did a study on Covid vaccine boosters.
It was beyond brutal.
Get the shot and take off the mask.
It also prevents transmission.
That was the original selling point for the Covid vaccine.
It's all a lie.
The vaccine does not prevent transmission.
Those who got vaccinated can still contract and spread the virus.
We also went back to wrapping our faces in masks that don't work again.
Now we are told to get a booster shot whose effectiveness wanes after, and this is actually the latest thing that we have found out, Four months.
Yes, the booster shot lasts for four months.
Natural immunity is a real thing.
Yet it's dismissed as fantasy by the COVID panic porn peddlers and pro-jab advocates.
I like that.
COVID panic porn peddlers.
Look, I'm pro-vaccine and I got the shot.
This is Matt Vesper speaking.
I also recovered from Covid, but the experts have done an excellent job in shredding their own talking points.
You can see why millions have questions.
Those will linger, as the CDC is pretty much burying a study about the effectiveness of the vaccine boosters, especially for the key demographic of 18 years old to 49.
Why?
I'll take an educated guess.
Maybe it shows that they weren't really effective at all and the CDC doesn't want you to know.
The CDC has withheld vast swaths of the information it holds about the impact of COVID-19.
Two weeks ago, they published the first significant data on the effectiveness of boosters in adults younger than 65.
But the agency, headed by Dr. Rochelle Walensky, who said Remember, stay fearful.
Did not share the information on those aged 18 to 49 who are considered to be the least likely to benefit from the booster.
That age group is considered to have the lowest death rates.
It is far more likely for the elderly and the immunocompromised to get sick without their booster than young, healthy and middle-aged people.
And what was the reason?
For not releasing the information from public studies that you paid for?
And here I'm quoting from the official who gave the reason.
To prevent conspiracy theories about Covid.
Just stop and think about that for a second.
They have scientific data from a massive data set because so many millions have received the vaccine and the boosters.
But they don't want to release the information.
Why?
Because the information that is scientific could lead to conspiracy theories.
Number one, just two modest observations.
Number one, why would scientific data from massive data sets, the N category, the set of information you have, the bigger it is the better.
Why would scientific data lead to conspiracy theories?
Or is it because it doesn't comport with the narrative you've artificially manufactured?
And then secondly, and this is the kind of just common sense observation that I think a six year old advising Dr. Walensky would be able to say.
If you don't give out scads of scientific data and keep it from the general population, that's when you encourage conspiracy theories.
Not too complicated!
Because the question, the obvious question, that even people like me who hate, detest conspiracy theories come to is, What have you got to hide, Dr. Walensky?
What have you got to hide, CDC?
What have you got to hide, Pfizer and Johnson & Johnson?
It was never about flattening the curve.
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Planning to drain the swamp, he is the author of Hillbilly Elegy, running for the US Senate out of Ohio.
JD Vance, welcome to America First.
Thank you for having me, Seb.
JD, can I just, I didn't tell you this in advance, and apologies that I didn't, but I had a caller yesterday, and my team will back me up, who said, why are you backing JD Vance?
And I just, I was like, and he said, well, he's anti-Trump, and I got really I'm really pissed.
I said, dude, have you actually looked him up?
And he's a resident of your state.
Have you watched him change his opinion on President Trump?
Do you actually know what he stands for?
So I'm going to have my team record this opening part of this segment.
Then we're going to talk about the other things I want you to opine on, like Canada.
And just so I can just play this on my soundbox when I get another cretin, can you please tell me why you are America first?
Yeah, look, I think Trump was a great president.
I was one of these people in 2015, 2016, who did not think he was going to be a good president.
I said a lot of stupid things.
I was very proud to be and happy to be proven wrong.
And I think that, you know, aside from any great policy achievement of the Trump administration, and there were many, I think Donald Trump's presidency revealed a very deep corruption in this country.
I think one of the reasons I'm running for the Senate, not just to, you know, hopefully pass some good laws, but to actually get some consequences for some of the people who are taking advantage of this country and getting rich off it in the process.
So, you know, I mean, look, campaigns are campaigns, and politics is tough.
We're doing really well here in Ohio, but certainly because we're doing well, you know, there is 4 million, I think close to 5 million now in negative advertising that's been spent against me over the past couple of months.
And I presume they're all retreading things you said in 2015 and they're completely ignoring what you've done since then.
That's correct.
Yeah, that's exactly right.
And it's also they're paid for by some of the organizations who are the most anti-Trump organizations in the Republican establishment.
So if you follow the money, you realize that the true America first patriots are not tearing down my candidacy.
They're the ones supporting it.
And it's a lot of the GOP establishment trying to take me down.
But look, that's why we have the fight That's why we have the campaign.
Because the voters get to decide this, not the establishment money.
Yeah, this is a great point.
So I'm going to use this in the future.
If anybody has an issue with a candidate I support, look at who is attacking him.
And if it's the rhinos, if it's the establishment, if it's organizations like the pedo protectors at the Lincoln Project, you've got your answer.
You've got the answer that it's a good guy.
Okay.
Follow this man jdvance01 on Twitter.
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Gotta get your comments.
As a former Marine, as somebody who wants to help drain the swamp here in DC, is your heart broken for what you're witnessing north of the border?
Yeah, I mean, absolutely, man.
How could it not?
Look, we have an incredible crisis in this country, and in crisis invited by the policies of the Biden administration.
And I know that while everybody in Washington is obsessed with Ukraine and obsessed with Russia, of course, it's a tragic situation, but it's 6,000 miles away, and we have people suffering in our own country because of our own border problems right here in America.
And I'm sick of the official establishment, the Washington swamp, focusing on Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, while we've got a crisis right here in our own country.
And by the way, Seb, the reason that Vladimir Putin is powerful in the world right now is because American energy is weak.
And why is American energy weak?
Because Joe Biden destroyed it to sort of blow up.
Yeah, I was asking about events happening in Canada, which is less than 6,000 miles away.
And that's one of the reasons why, frankly, we don't have nearly as much leverage over this situation.
Yeah, I was asking about events happening in Canada, which is less than 6,000 miles away.
So talk about how concerned you are that a nation that we consider to be rather innocuous, a pretty functioning democracy, is now being run by people who want to freeze your bank accounts if you made a donation to truckers who want their freedom, J.D.?
Yep.
Yeah, sorry.
You said northern border.
I've got northern border on my brain.
No worries.
Look, the problem with Canada is that it reveals how tyranny is going to come to this country if it ever really does.
It's going to come through financial debt platforming.
It's going to come through them not letting you use a credit card to buy things that you need.
If you donate to a political candidate like Donald Trump in 24, maybe you get fired from your job, or maybe the media at a national level harasses you and gets you bullied by everybody with power in this country.
That's basically what's happening in Canada.
And what really bothers me about this is you watch these videos, Seb.
These are nice people.
I mean, Canadians, they're even nicer than we are in Ohio, right?
That's their thing.
No violence, no killing, right?
Black Lives Matter.
No arson, no churches being burnt.
Right.
Absolutely.
And yet these people are being treated like terrorists in their own country.
Again, it's a wake-up call to American patriots, because if they can do it in Canada, they're showing you how they'll ultimately do it here if we let them.
Now, you, for me, represent a kind of America First candidate.
What are you seeing?
I know you're focused on your campaign in Ohio.
What are you seeing across the country?
I get the impression, I'm not following every race, that it might be a slew of MAGA candidates for these midterms that win.
Yeah, no, I think so.
I mean, look, I think Republicans are going to do well, but the question is, do we send Republicans to Washington who actually represent their voters, who represent the Rhinos.
That's kind of why we have these primary fights that are so important.
In a lot of states, the most important election won't be the general election.
It'll be the primary fight.
So look, there's a lot of good guys running, a lot of friends of mine who I think if we get to Washington together, we can do a whole lot of good because, you know, it's one thing to send one or two good Republican senators.
It's another thing to have five or ten good Republican senators, and that's what we're on the verge of having if we do this the right way in 2020.
Yeah, we have to turn it around.
We have to take over the conservative movement in the Capitol so we don't have rhinos running the establishment.
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Ukraine declares state of emergency.
Huh.
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Took them long enough.
Is it because they're about to not be a country anymore?
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Alright, uh, titles.
JD, um... Yeah.
What is the first thing we discussed?
His comments on Trump.
Oh yes, um...
If the right people hate you, you're winning.
Uh-huh.
Uh, did we do Jennifer?
Oh, we have not yet.
Um... R.I.P.
Rich Higgins and Dondix.
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Alright.
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Let's do...
Not that the FBI is even sniffing and looking, but what if somebody came in and said, you know what?
We are going to subpoena all his account records and this and that, and then all of a sudden we make the news.
So it's more of a reputation risk.
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I was calling about when you said Trump and DeSantis should run together.
Yes.
Well, I love both of them, but I just think that And he needs like-minded people around him, but I think DeSantis is too strong a personality to run as vice president with Trump.
Explain why.
What does that mean to you, Della?
I think he'd do fine running as president, but I don't think he'd want to be vice president.
He's too powerful.
You mean as governor it would be a step down?
No, no, but I just don't think We need, like you said on another talk, we need someone to pull other people in because anybody that would vote for Trump is going to vote for DeSantis.
Yeah, that's his biggest problem.
If you're going to vote for Trump, bringing DeSantis on doesn't bring in more votes.
Great, great observation.
Stay on the line, Della.
Let's get Della one of our America First hats.
Leonardo!
New Jersey!
It's been too long, Leo!
First things first, I already said some prayers for your and Jen's compatriots.
Thank you.
They're now helping the cause from heaven.
Thank you also for straightening out that scumbag baby killer who called in.
That was crazy!
We have to get rid of the extremists, like people who are anti-abortion?
Who is that guy?
It's too bad his mother didn't take that advice.
Behave!
Alright, we've got a minute left before our special guest.
I wanted to say J.D.
Vance demonstrated great humility in admitting that he underestimated the great president DJT.
We gotta start like LBJJ.
DJ who was and will soon again be president.
45 equals 47.
I also love that James Bond bumper music.
Yes!
All I could think of was vodka, martini, shake and not stir.
I like your pronouns, Your Majesty Warlord, but Devin Nunes, who is our commander of Truth Social, called you Seabass the other day.
I know, he loves to call me Seabass and I let him because, hey, it's Devin Nunes.
Great hearing from you, Leo.
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The End
The End So if they get up and criticize science, nobody's gonna know what they're talking about.
But if they get up and really aim their bullets at Tony Fauci, well, people could recognize there's a person there, so it's easy to criticize.
But they're really criticizing science.
Because I represent science.
That's dangerous.
I represent science.
One man, one diminutive individual by himself is the god of science and you better not question him.
Well that's what we're going to do now for the next hour here on America First with The man I trust with my health, with the health of my family, an individual who doesn't believe that science is static or represented by one person.
He's my personal physician.
We call him the good doctor, Dr. Sam Pappas.
Welcome to America First one-on-one.
Hey Seb, how are you?
It's been too long.
Too long.
Welcome back.
Good to see you, my friend.
You're looking good.
Well, you know, I try to practice what I preach.
Yeah, you look healthy.
Well, both of us married up and, you know, we listen to our wives.
This is good for our health.
This is true.
OK, we have so much to cover, given the fact that you haven't been in studio for a while, given the fact that so much has moved in the last just A couple of days, let alone months, when it comes to COVID.
You came in here to discuss your COVID action plan.
We're going to talk about the update that I've just received from your lovely colleague, Tamara.
Let's begin right there.
As a medical professional, as a scientist, how dangerous is it for one individual to say, I represent science and I mustn't be questioned?
It just reminds me of what the Greeks said about hubris, right?
It's been 90 seconds and he's already brought up the Greeks.
You beat your record.
That's impressive.
That's good.
But you're right.
This is the definition of hubris.
And you know, you and I talk about the humanities and education and my, I believe, the noble critique from within, but the science community has really shown to be anti-humane.
Right.
And to think that one person or one organization has all the answers.
I mean, many, many of my colleagues are really scratching their heads now.
And people in my small circle of healthcare providers and super moms, we saw this ahead of the curve, but now the group has been enlarging and many people are seeing these challenges.
And if you look at, when was it?
It was Thursday last week.
Joe Rogan of course is in the news because he's an individual who allows good doctors like we had him on the show, Dr. Malone, the inventor of the mRNA vaccine.
He sits him down for four hours and they talk and Joe's open to discussion.
Of course he's not a medical professional but he had a COVID anti-no-vaxxer, I guess that would be the logic.
So somebody who's fighting for mandatory vaccinations on his show.
And this individual, we played the cut, Dr. Pappas said, no, we shouldn't be debating vaccines because the science is settled.
Let's take politics out of the equation.
Is that how science works?
When is science settled?
Because if it were, then we would still believe that the universe revolves around the earth, no?
Exactly.
I mean, I always say that science is often ready, fire, and then aim.
You know, and using the analogy with the military, right?
I mean, you have an action, and then you have to change.
It's fluid.
It's fluid.
Isn't it based on asking questions?
Absolutely.
You know, I have the unique position that, you know, because I take care of patients and I've known them BC before COVID, I've been following them to see how they did with COVID, how they did with the vaccine, how are they doing emotionally.
So if you're in this community and taking care of patients, you know that this is fluid.
The people in my experience who are making these comments have had no experience with real patients.
Yes.
You know, they're in the white towers of academia.
Or they've been bureaucrats for 37 years, as Valtteri has been.
Absolutely.
Which is not practicing medicine.
I mean, one of the shocking things we, and for those of you who are not familiar, so this is our one-on-one, this is the deep dive interviews, the long-form interviews we do with experts, with newsmakers.
We had on the show Scott Atlas from Stanford, who was part of President Trump's COVID task force, and he, Completely honestly, candidly said on the show, he came to meetings with stacks of papers, the latest scientific tests, examinations, peer-reviewed articles, to discuss with Fauci, with Birx, what have we learned from South Africa?
What have we learned from Israel?
And they didn't bring anything and they didn't want to discuss the data.
How is that possible?
I mean, it's just amazing what's coming out.
I think most moms intuitively knew that they couldn't wait for the healthcare system.
I like to say that your health is too important to leave just to the healthcare system.
And this is a great example of it.
We said early on, I can't believe it was two years ago, that we're in the fog of war, that you're listeners and we are going to make some plans with the best data we have.
First, do no harm.
But we're also going to take action and personalize.
And now it's coming to fruition that we know that behind the scenes, this was not being done.
And the principle remains, and this is one of the big so what's that I think I've ended two of my interviews with you that Your health is your health.
It is not a function of government, whether it's federal, state or local.
And your health should be a function of an action plan that is shaped by you and your doctor.
I mean, is it more complicated than that?
It's really not.
And I think, I think... Because how does the state know what 320 million people need?
Does North Dakota with, you know, 600 cases of COVID need the same policies as a metropolitan New York?
Because that's what we did!
Exactly.
And even within families there were differences, right?
So, you know, the questions that your listeners asked were just so ahead of the curve.
You know, they saw this and thankfully there's a large percentage of the population that said, look, I can take action with my health care provider and make an informed decision.
All right, let's talk about the last year.
What have we learned?
So now we have multiple vaccines.
Now we have, you know, Francis Collins and others saying, yes, there are issues of heart inflammation, myocarditis.
We have gone much further than what you helped me with originally, which is hydroxychloroquine, the Z-Pak.
Then ivermectin came along.
Now we have the new Nova.
The new vaccine that's still under testing.
Novavax.
So tell us about what we have learned in just the last few months about COVID and the way to treat it.
Well, we've learned that natural immunity is fantastic.
We kind of knew that already, but it's been proven now multiple, multiple times, but still not acknowledged.
So, we know natural immunity is a great place to be and a safety net.
We know that many, many more treatments are out there, and as the variants have gotten weaker, And the new variant, Omicron, and I want listeners to know that's how you pronounce it.
It's Omicron.
Omicron.
Yeah, not Omnicron.
So, you know, I had it.
And it's trachea.
I actually found out.
The British, I went and I checked with the 83-year-old professor of anatomy at Stanford from the UK, and it is trachea.
Not in America, but in the original, real English, it's trachea.
That's an in-joke from the last broadcast.
Excellent.
You're doing your homework.
So, we've learned that with the new variants that the treatments are much more effective, that less people are getting hospitalized and having serious complications.
And it's a mild aversion.
It's a mild aversion.
And attacking mostly the upper respiratory.
Upper sinuses.
Which is less dangerous.
Once it goes into the lower, into the alveoli, that's really dangerous, especially for the elderly.
Exactly.
But I'm a little different than a lot of my peers who are for early treatment.
Many of them say, well only if you're 50 or above.
And my take is, this can have a chronic component to it, So everyone's worthy of attention.
It may be that the college young man or woman only needs an antihistamine and a Z-Pak and some nasal rinses and someone older may need more treatments.
But we've seen a lot of younger people and other patients have some long COVID.
So there's a lot of discussions and debates within this community.
So what we're talking about, to be explicit, is to be more prophylactic.
So for example, you told me take hydroxy once a week.
Right.
And then when I actually caught COVID after you told me to do that, guys, it was three days of a little sniffles and a little tired.
That was my COVID experience.
Yeah, it was great.
Initially, we were doing a lot of more medicine prophylaxis and prevention because these variants like Delta variant were very difficult.
And the data is showing that a place in Brazil, 100,000 person population, a town, a city, did great with these prophylaxis medicines.
But many prophylaxis can be just vitamin D and zinc.
Right.
Zinc.
My producer, Mr. G, turned me on to zinc a couple of years ago.
I take it every day.
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Dr Pappas, I don't know if everybody gets the Dr G treatment when they go to your clinic.
I expect they do because I have heard from others.
But Going to the Pappas Health Center is unlike most medicine in America.
I remember when my son was born here.
I was on a scholarship to Harvard and he was at Brigham and Women's, which is allegedly the best, you know, obs and gynae institution in America.
And my wife was just, you know, a ticket was just a number on a conveyor belt.
In you come cesarean off you go.
She had a very bad pregnancy or the cesarean did not go well.
And it was like it was like a conveyor belt.
It was like, you know, Ford's Model T, you know, you're in and out, no actual personal connection.
You practice a very different kind of medicine.
And the first time I met you, we sat down, we spoke for hours about all kinds of things.
But it was a holistic approach that didn't say, OK, what's the one thing you're suffering from now?
Oh, here's a pill.
Go off and see if it works.
Can you explain what form of medicine that is and why you think it's what we all should be practicing?
Well, I like to say I kind of take the best of traditional academic allopathic medicine with, you know, health and wellness and an interest in the why.
Allopathic means what?
It means a traditional medicine where you're looking at diseases in a silo.
You have heart problems.
You're attacking a problem one by one.
Yeah, exactly.
Kind of like a disease.
But then also looking at this terminology called integrative, wellness, holistic, Well, it kind of asks, what's the why of the problem?
And I try to bring in my unique interest in biographies and people, and I believe that each person is worthy of a personalized, unique relationship.
I think the doctor-patient relationship is therapeutic in and of itself, which is why I want to know how many books you've read on Odysseus, as you told me, and of course, in history, and your goals and your interests.
And also your lifestyle, because, you know, you could have a proclivity to diabetes or you could have issues with insulin.
And maybe it's a function of how much sleep you get, which aren't usually questions.
You know, here, take this medicine and you'll suppress that phenomena.
But what if it's a lifestyle issue?
So, you know, you actually, in a nice way, you interrogate your patients to see, OK, what are the many factors that could impinge upon this one thing we're seeing in a family?
For example, you do extensive blood work, correct?
Right.
To get that big picture.
Exactly.
No, I believe people should know where their biochemistry is taking them.
Where is the river of life going at Snapshot?
What is their lifestyle like you said?
Do we dock points off if they're not eating the Mediterranean diet or not?
Do they have enough of nutrients in them?
So getting to know the real whole person and then creating a plan that may change with time, which is why when COVID came, We knew so many people.
B.C., before COVID, we said, OK, listen, for you, Seb, here's what we need to do.
I mean, you were going into it, fortunately, in a good place.
You had done some really good things.
I was less worried about you.
But there were some 30-year-old obese patients I was very worried about, and then some 70-year-olds I had less concern for.
So we know from COVID, for example, that obesity and metabolism was a big factor and still underappreciated.
Talk to us about, I know you experience this a lot with your clients, your patients, that less the objective The objective health statistics of individuals.
But how much fear, in many cases, took control of the individual's response to COVID?
You know, the psychological aspect.
Absolutely.
I've had countless moms tell me, you know, the stress and fear of COVID is worse than the illness.
And I really believe the hubris in the health care system sacrificed at the altar of progress in science are kids' emotional health.
And it's been really still underreported, underappreciated.
And again, these folks obviously did not imbibe their humanities that they were taught.
They did not imbibe the best of not only high tech, but high touch.
Well, and also just the essential Hippocratic Oath.
I mean, first, do no harm.
And if you're engendering, if you see the actual internal documents, especially coming out of the UK and Niall Ferguson, the chief advisor, where fear was deemed by the government to be Quote-unquote an effective tool.
I mean, how does that not go against the Hippocratic Oath?
You're actually generating a negative psychological effect, which we know can damage real health, but you think that's going to serve some public policy objective?
I mean, it's amazing.
I've had countless patients tell me, Doc, the data from other countries is much more clear to me than in a lot of the Western countries, in America in particular.
And when you combine that with these third world countries who spoke with their patients, created plans that were not fear-based.
They had less knowledge workers and more pragmatic people working in the healthcare world.
You got much better outcomes.
It was very unfortunate that places like Honduras and Brazil, parts of India and parts of Mexico City did much better than we did in the West.
We played a cut, I think it was on Thursday, from Fauci, a brand new cut, where he was asked, so when is the end of it?
When is the end of the pandemic?
And he said, well, I can't give you that answer.
Well, surely, you know, that is anti-science.
If certain conditions are met, then there is an end of a pandemic or even an endemic situation.
What is your expectation looking forward?
Are we going to be hostage to, oh, there's another variant, put your mask back on?
Given that this is a one coronavirus out of many coronaviruses, can we at some point put this behind us?
Or will there always be, you know, the next Greek letter that we have to be afraid of?
As long as it's not Z, because you're not allowed to say Z, remember?
Right?
Omicron was the response to not naming it after the Chinese head of state.
So, I believe you look at the current research that about 90% of the population in America are either vaccinated or have had the infection.
Correct.
So, that really, really bodes well.
That and a weaker variant and much more experience I think will keep us in a much better place going forward.
So, I'm very bullish this year that there's going to be a continued progress.
We're going to have seasonal changes that a lot of people still don't appreciate.
Yeah.
But the exciting thing is that you have control over your response to this infection and future infections.
It's not a moral feeling to get sick.
A lot of folks think that that is, but that you can respond.
You can respond with your lifestyle, with your vitamins, with targeted medicines.
There's many more things to choose from and patients are much more savvy.
So, I'm bullish on this year.
I think we're going to do much, much better.
And I think, frankly, the citizens have said, listen, we've had enough.
Time to move on.
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Dr. Pappas, way back when you had me on the original triple package that President Trump said is going to be good for us.
It's the hydroxy, the zinc, then the Z-Pak and then of course the vitamin D. Since then things have, you know, because science does change, because we learn stuff, because we ask questions Fauci.
Because that's the point of science.
We've moved from that to ivermectin.
Now we have additional vaccines that are being tested like the Novavax.
Talk to us about what we now know about therapeutics.
So what are you telling your patients about therapeutics?
Well, some things have stayed the same, that you need multiple treatments like you did.
It's not just taking one antibiotic or one vitamin.
It's combining things.
So that still remains.
We do have some other potential modalities that may help.
There's a lot of question marks.
Pfizer's, PaxLovid, and Merck's medicine.
It's like the Mona Lisa.
It looked good from far away, but when you got up close... Not too pretty.
Pretty average.
Pretty average.
And the challenge with the Pfizer medicine is...
Great experience in the research, but a lot of potential interactions with medicines that older patients have.
So a lot of cardiac medicines, other anti-inflammatories, so there's going to be a large population who need it, but can't get it.
And the Merck data looks pretty average and underwhelming, so I don't think it's a great medicine.
I think the Pfizer medicine is better, but it has a little bit more baggage on it.
But we have so many great treatments.
We have aspirins, we have steroids, and we have the old school off-label.
We have doxycycline and azithromycin, and now antihistamines.
Just over-the-counter antihistamines are great.
Explain to me if you can, because there's an amazing medicine I took three times for gout.
Colchicine.
Yeah.
Which, I mean, gout is bloody painful, okay?
I had it in one toe, okay?
That's all.
I wasn't drinking a lot of alcohol, because I don't drink any alcohol.
Just one little toe.
I took colchicine, and I'm not joking, Dr. P. Fifteen minutes later, those crystals were dissolved, the pain had gone.
Now I'm hearing colchicine has relevance to COVID.
So, are we talking about complicating the virus's capacity to work?
Do we know why these therapeutics like ivermectin and hydroxy function?
What do they do to the virus?
They have benefits outside of their normal capacity.
And Dr. McCullough, who you've had multiple times on your Way Ahead of the Curve, brought this up about really good research about colchicine having anti-inflammatory properties.
So now we're attacking inflammation.
So I want to be clear here for our listeners, because really, and correct me if I'm wrong here, Especially in the early stages, especially for the elder cohorts, the ones being sent back to the nursing homes by Cuomo.
The issue was less the primary infection, it was the secondary inflammation, especially in the lungs, the lower lungs.
So these are the things we know can help with the inflammation so you don't get to that point where you're on a respirator and you might die.
Correct?
Exactly, exactly.
And there are physicians in the rest of the world who are using these tools without any data.
But Virginia's own Dr. Merrick and Dr. Corey early on said, we're seeing that if you give steroids early on for inflammation and then blood thinners like aspirin and other medicines, you'll get significant protection and improvement.
And you're lessening the risk of that secondary infection.
Absolutely, and further illness to get hospitalized.
So they mentioned this early on, and I put this in an earlier blog, and that took six months to a year to be acknowledged.
Wow.
So it's just amazing how we knew a lot of these signals.
We had some good data.
More importantly, we had experiences of doctors on the front lines, and no one was listening.
Unbelievable.
Truly, truly unbelievable.
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You are an individual, Dr. Pappas, who loves knowledge.
I mean, you know, the original definition of philosopher, the person who loves wisdom.
We could sit down and discuss for hours, you know, ancient Greeks, strategy, the latest article by Victor Davis Hanson or, you know, or Larian, you name it.
With that in mind and understanding, True knowledge is never a function of rote internalization.
Yes, you could pass an exam, but that's not wisdom.
Wisdom comes through the Socratic dialogue, where you lead or are led through a series of questions where you dig for the answers yourself.
How concerned are you, how disturbed are you, that in the last two years, and I say this as an outsider to the medical field but as somebody who had COVID, that we have seen perhaps in the history of this nation the highest levels of censorship and information control within the sciences that we've ever had?
Is that an overstatement given what's happened to doctors and how, you know, my colleagues at Salem when they're in California cannot get a prescription to hydroxy filled until they go to the seventh pharmacist because the pharmacists refuse to accept a legal prescription for political purposes?
How disturbed are you?
I'm very disturbed.
You know, I think COVID has really unearthed cracks in the seams and fault lines they were building up.
The healthcare system has really been untaught by adversity.
Thankfully, patients know how to navigate and go around the obstacle, but it's become very difficult.
I'm concerned about future physicians not going into this field.
Because they don't want to go into a field that's rife with politics.
Absolutely.
I mean, the doctor-patient relationship should be therapeutic and unique.
We, for many, many years, I've been practicing over 20 years, have used medicines off-label.
And the patient understands that risk.
What's the statistic?
I think I read that between Between 40 and 50 percent of prescriptions are off-label, meaning, for those who don't know what that means, it's not illegal, it's not, you know, off-prescription, it means the drug is prescribed by a doctor for a purpose that wasn't the original invented purpose.
So they found out it has a secondary benefit, which means it's not just for diabetes, it can be used for something else, like Colchicine, not just for gout.
Perfect.
So, huge!
I mean, off-label is not unusual.
Right.
And the idea that something we've used for malaria for 60 years, like hydroxy, could be beneficial for something else, know it's bad, that's not how medicine works.
Is it?
You're spot on, as your tribe would say.
So to me, it's very, very frustrating that a mother's intuition, a patient's interest is being discounted when we've used these medicines in B.C.
And that was what I tried to tell some pharmacies.
And you know how Tamara is with pharmacies.
Tamara is the strong right arm of the Pathos Clinic.
Is she the XO?
The XO, she is.
She's the Chief of Staff XO.
Or is she the Sergeant Major?
All of it.
All of it.
So I would hear her discussions with pharmacists and she would say, well we've used this medicine and this person before COVID with no problem.
We want to use it now for a different reason.
The person tolerated, they understand the risks, we've discussed it and they would cancel us.
And they would say no.
How does that happen?
I mean, this isn't Cuba.
On what basis does a pharmacist, who's, I'm sorry, you're not a doctor.
Yes, you're trained, but you're not, you haven't gone through the hell of 10 years plus of, you know, internship and everything else.
How does a pharmacist say no to a doctor and the doctor's nurse practitioner?
Well, I love pharmacists and I think they're so helpful for us.
Well, they seem to have become hostages to politics.
Well, I think, again, within one pharmacy we have different pharmacists.
Yeah.
And another person would say, listen, you know what, I don't agree with my colleague.
I think this is fine.
So again, it's an art masquerading as a science.
I think patients have gotten a lot of experience in how to navigate the healthcare system.
And I think with the growing trend now to personal ownership, we're going to see improvements as well.
And we're going to go around the obstacle but it's going to be very very challenging and difficult because most physicians unfortunately behave like an assembly line, take a few minutes and don't want to listen to your script.
You're not a pediatrician but you speak to those in the field.
I have an estimation that The real cost of COVID won't be those who died of COVID but will be those who didn't have a cancer screening and who died.
The children who in various jurisdictions are still wearing masks who will be developmentally damaged by that.
Do we have a great deal to be worried of when it comes to non-COVID consequences of COVID policy?
Absolutely.
I mean, I'm seeing it.
We do a lot of work with teenagers.
We're always speaking to the families.
And we saw it early on, you know, the whole masking policy and the whole fear and the shaming.
And it is a tsunami of mental health problems.
I mean, if you ask colleagues, if you ask people in this field, they are acknowledging it.
And again, it's going under the radar.
As a country, we've never done a very good job with the mental health world to begin with.
Yeah.
And now it's gotten worse.
Especially since the 1970s when the Supreme Court said, unless a psychiatric case is actively physically harming themselves or others, you can't institutionalize them.
Which means they become homeless people.
That's a great point.
No, I mean, for me, that's the center of the problem.
There is no safe place for them to be because civil rights.
Well, I'm wondering what is the quality of the civil rights of that person who's been living on the street for years, malnourished, probably a drug addict.
I'm not sure that serves the civil rights or the health of that individual.
That's a great point.
I'm actually working on a long blog.
on diseases of civilization and looking to see, you know, why they've gotten worse and why are other factors and it's part old-school, you know, Greek Hungarian warrior instincts and part toll of unbelief.
Yeah.
And part society and organizations not looking out for the mental health of, you know, our most important people.
So much wisdom ...is ancient wisdom, and I think a lot of your practice is based upon that fact.
Humans have been around for a long time, and the nature of man, I'm sorry, doesn't change.
Therefore, what worked for millennia will work for millennia.
Go back to primary sources, go back to the things our civilization, Western civilization, has taught us, the greatest civilization on Earth, and live by those, and you are likely to do well.
Last question or couple of questions for Dr. Sam Pappas.
On Twitter, Dr. Sam Pappas.
It's the PappasHealth.com.
PappasHealth.com slash COVID action plan.
When it comes to health policy, isn't there also a huge risk that we face because So many people don't trust the founties of the world anymore, that the next time when there might be something really bad, I mean, a bubonic, you know, a serious issue, or something like, you know, what is that one that came out of Africa recently?
Ebola.
Ebola.
That most people are just going to say, oh no, that's garbage, they're going to go out and mask us again for no reason.
Is there also this secondary danger?
I mean, there really is, which is why I think living in the Commonwealth, it's a good time.
We have Dr. McCary, who's going to be leading the COVID team of Virginia.
Yes.
The new team in place in Virginia.
Johns Hopkins, right?
Johns Hopkins.
And he's been talking about healthcare systems.
So aside from his very reasonable approaches to COVID and the importance of natural immunity, he comes from a background of the challenge of the healthcare system.
So I think this is a really good person in place to help us.
Help Governor Yankin.
Yeah, I'd love to have Dr. Merrick from Virginia there as well.
But I do think patients need to be on high alert.
And say, listen, I need to take more ownership and be involved in my health care decisions.
You used that word before.
Let's unpack that.
Let's make that your last question.
What is your advice to our millions of listeners across the country in places like California, where they have those pharmacists that are politically indoctrinated and all the way to New York and the Commonwealth?
What is your advice to them?
Post-COVID, because I'm going to say we are post-COVID, you say take ownership.
Can you unpack that?
Absolutely.
You want to check in with yourself, be the CEO of your own health, find out where are you in the current state of affairs.
First, know thyself.
Of course, I have to mention Socrates and say, listen, I need to find out where I am.
Where am I going to?
I have control over my destiny.
I can respond to the stressor, whether it's emotional or physical.
I can work with communities and groups.
I can partner with healthcare practitioners.
I can partner with my neighbors and family to overcome this obstacle and like Alexander the Great, go around the obstacle.
I love that.
I think we have the title, Eric, for this one-on-one episode.
Be your own CEO.
Be the CEO of your own health.
He's my physician.
He's the man I trust with the health of my family and myself.
Dr. Sam Pappas.
The only problem with him He's not Hungarian, but we're going to work on that.
It's at Dr. Sam Pappas on Twitter.
It is PappasHealth.com and the latest as of Friday, just a couple of days ago, the latest updated version of the COVID action plan is available on his website.
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