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Dec. 21, 2021 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: January 6th committee subpoenas my phone records

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	In the back and then... Will you reverse the travel ban now that Omicron is so prevalent here in the U.S.?
	I'm considering reversing.
	I'm going to talk with my team in the next couple of days.
	Look, remember why I said we put the travel ban on?
	Is to see how much time we had before it hit here so we could begin to decide what we needed by looking at what's happening in other countries.
	But we're past that.
	And so it's something that is being raised with me by the docs, and I'll have an answer for that soon.
	The importance of keeping your word of trust.
	Do you believe Senator Manchin kept his word to you?
	And how do you rebuild trust with progressives in your party?
	Can you imagine how worried they were here?
	He's just given his speech of doom and gloom about the Omicron and vaccination and boosters and masks and he was going to walk away from the podium and he decided to take questions.
	Can you imagine what the White House press team is thinking?
	No, no, don't take questions!
	And he's still standing sideways to the camera.
	He's actually standing sideways to the camera when he's addressing the nation.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	It's great to be back in studio here on America First on the Salem Radio Network.
	Gotta go straight to Jeff.
	Gotta ask a question.
	Number one, why can't this man even read a teleprompter?
	We were watching.
	It's unbelievable.
	I mean, just every sentence, he was making a mistake and stumbling.
	He really is getting worse.
	And what did you say?
	You said, what did you say about the speech?
	Oh, I said someone should copy and paste at the end of the speech, the entire speech in the teleprompter, and he would read the entire speech again.
	No, first he'd say, end of speech, and then he'd start reading the whole thing again.
	I forgot about that, end of speech.
	Oh, and the second time.
	What?
	How many times did he say the word booster?
	And unvaccinated.
	I think we've got to get Eric to count how many times he said unvaccinated or booster.
	But in the meantime, we've got a radio show to do.
	Guys, first things first.
	Gotta doff my cap.
	Thank you, Jennifer Horne.
	I flew to Phoenix back in a day yesterday.
	Yes, that's how insane I am.
	I had nine hours on a plane yesterday.
	Why?
	Because I had the opportunity, thanks to Charlie Kirk, to address 10,000 patriots.
	I've never done that before.
	My wife asked me yesterday, Have you ever dressed 10,000?
	No, no, no.
	I've done 8,000 before, but 10,000 in one room.
	It was America-fest incredible.
	Finally, Turning Point has done it.
	Yes, they are the most important cultural institution in America today, but they've usually done exclusively programs for high schoolers, for college students, fighting the insanity on college campuses.
	Yesterday, it was for everybody.
	It was families.
	It was all generations from across the country.
	It was amazing.
	Even the few hundred people I met there, it was an incredible experience.
	And then, I made an announcement.
	But in the meantime, I've got to thank Jennifer Horne.
	Jennifer Horne, I got to listen to a little bit as I was getting on the plane coming back.
	Did an amazing job.
	God bless you, Jennifer.
	Merry Christmas to you and Grant, and thank you for sitting in my chair yesterday.
	So, my speech...
	I always ask my wife, usually about 30 minutes before I'm about to speak, hey, Muse, what should I talk about?
	And she said, how about that early Christmas present the Grinch left you on Saturday?
	And that's what I did.
	In front of me, I have this FedEx envelope.
	It was on my doorstep.
	I didn't even have to sign for it.
	That's how seriously these guys take it.
	On my doorstep, Saturday afternoon, sent to me by the Verizon Security Subpoena Compliance Division.
	I thought I could guess what's in it when I saw that.
	The Verizon Security Subpoena Compliance Division.
	One page letter from Verizon and then pages and pages of a congressional subpoena to Verizon.
	Dear customer, this is to notify you that Verizon has received a subpoena requiring the production of records associated with the phone number referenced above.
	You have until January the 5th to challenge this subpoena.
	What's the subpoena about?
	What is the crime I've committed?
	Well, I sat down and I read the subpoena.
	I will be publishing pages of the subpoena online.
	If you're a member of my Locals community, you'll get it first.
	That's how we do it here.
	Gawker.locals.com.
	No crime is mentioned.
	None.
	No allegation is made against me.
	However, Everything to do with my phone, and all phones associated with it on the account, includes my wife, my children, must be data dumped to the January 6th Witch Hunt Committee of Nancy Pelosi.
	That includes all the telephone or instrument numbers, including Mac addresses, if you have a Mac, right?
	Electronic serial numbers, I'm reading from the subpoena now.
	Mobile electronic identity numbers, the M-E-I-N, if you're familiar with how phones work, subscriber identity modules, SIM cards, and anything related to those accounts.
	Why?
	What's the real reason?
	On January the 6th, I didn't go to Congress.
	I didn't even wear a silly hat!
	I didn't have a shaman's hat on!
	No!
	I like that hat though, it's pretty cool.
	However, I was invited to speak the same day at the Supreme Court, on the steps of the Supreme Court, by the organizers of various rallies associated with the Women for Trump movement.
	I didn't speak on January the 6th because my former boss, President Trump, started his speech late and went long.
	I was there.
	I was in the front row listening to him.
	As a result, my speech, the event at the Supreme Court, was bumped.
	But I presume my name came up on text messages among the organizers trying to get the schedule right that day.
	So the fact that I was slated to speak, to use my First Amendment rights, is the reason that my Fourth Amendment rights are being denied.
	In our Constitution, you have a guarantee to undue search and seizure.
	You cannot have your private communications or your property taken away from you.
	But that's exactly what Verizon is going to do.
	Why?
	Because they're cowards.
	They will comply.
	And giving me 15 days over the Christmas break?
	Yeah, right.
	That's a joke.
	But it's interesting because they've not done this before.
	Other people who've had their records subpoenaed, Mark Meadow and others, they weren't told.
	Verizon informed me, which means they might be afraid.
	Maybe they realize that Nancy, that Schiff, have overstepped the mark.
	Well, I declare political war on all of you.
	Because you've chosen the wrong man.
	My family survived fascism as children in an occupied country.
	My parents survived communist persecution at the hands of the secret police.
	And I've got one message for you, Nancy and Adam.
	Bring it, because I'm ready for you.
	More to continue later today.
	We've got an amazing show for you.
	Don't miss a single moment, a whole hour with Harmeet Dhillon, Warrior Princess, Phil Kirpin on the latest insanity of Omicron, Lord Conrad Black and former member of the Trump cabinet, Robert Wilkie.
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	Secretary, how we doing?
	Good.
	John, can you fix the mic for him because I just swung it back there after we did the video.
	Good, good, good.
	We're broadcasting on our Rumble channel.
	You got it?
	Get it coming from the side so I can see him.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	How are you?
	Excellent.
	Good, perfect.
	If I come in in January, I'm going to bring Adam.
	Oh, definitely do it.
	How have you been?
	Good, good.
	I had to go to Phoenix yesterday in a day for Turning Point, which is great.
	Amazing, amazing.
	America First, what's your name?
	No, the President just said at the presentation that he's not supposed to be having a restaurant.
	I agree.
	Let's talk about that.
	Let's talk about the... Oh, did you print me the article of the three generals?
	Oh, hang on.
	Let me see if I can find that.
	Yeah, you got two minutes.
	We're talking about the two dead generals who are predicting an insurrection.
	Did you see they found 100?
	100, yeah.
	I can tell you that from my childhood at Fort Bragg, as the army collapsed after Vietnam, there were Black Panthers, biker gangs, drug gangs, just eating away at the military.
	My father I had to arm himself to go into the barracks.
	And this is at Fort Bragg.
	These were not conscripts.
	These were... Yeah.
	And, of course, Creighton Abrams came to the rescue when they made him Chief of Staff.
	He set the Army on its course for better days.
	But the United States Army, after Vietnam, imploded.
	Right.
	And discipline was shot.
	And so if anybody wants to talk about disintegration of discipline and extremism, they should look at the history of the institution, not what is happening.
	Perfect.
	Perfect.
	All right.
	I'm going to do Israel, and I'm going to tee up the cut 14 Biden cut, and then I'm going to come straight to Rob.
	All right.
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	Oh yeah?
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	Oh, I'm sure it is.
	They've decided no more, oh no, that was a Scottish minister, our first minister I heard today saying, everything's shut down, all sports activities will be without viewers from now on.
	It's like, she's such a little fascist.
	She is.
	She's really totalitarian.
	But she stays in office.
	Yeah.
	A lot of problems in Scotland.
	Yep.
	You tell them.
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	The president has just finished his speech, an impromptu Q&A.
	Very, very strange.
	But I think the tone of the next few weeks will be set by this 18-second cut.
	Cut 14.
	We're unvaccinated.
	We are looking at a winner of severe illness and death.
	They're unvaccinated.
	For themselves, their families, and the hospital, they'll soon overwhelm.
	But there's good news.
	If you're vaccinated, you have your booster shot, you're protected from severe illness and death.
	Death, death, death.
	That is the message from the White House.
	A winter of discontent.
	Who better to comment on it than somebody who served the prior administration at the highest level in the cabinet, former Secretary for Veteran Affairs, distinguished fellow at the Heritage Foundation.
	Delighted to have him in studio.
	Robert Wilkie, welcome back to America First.
	Thank you, doctor.
	Good to be here.
	You are a historian as much as anything else.
	Can you talk to us about what happens when leaders are negative?
	I mean, even in the darkest hour, Churchill said, we're going to fight them on the beaches, Robert.
	And I'll give you another, a better Churchill, at least for me.
	He just learned Mountbatten tells him Lord Louis Mountbatten tells him that the Japanese have just attacked Pearl Harbor and he looks and Alan Brooke and the chiefs are there and said well we've won after all.
	Wow!
	The strategist sees it.
	I go back to my childhood at Fort Bragg.
	There was a billboard that was put outside of the entrance to Fort Bragg during the hostage crisis and it said Iran let our people go.
	And that's what we had become.
	And that played off... Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	The Carter administration was putting billboards?
	No, no.
	No, it was just there.
	But it was the byproduct of the malaise.
	Of that attitude.
	The attitude, which plays to your question.
	That hangdog look that President Carter had.
	That the country had seen its better days.
	And the entire world reflected the retreat of America and the The paucity of American energy and leadership, that cascades through an entire society.
	If you look at the great leaders in our history and in British history, it's a continuum.
	There was always this nation has better days ahead.
	We protect the most timeless values of Western civilization and nothing can stop us.
	That was Franklin Roosevelt's message.
	I mean, look at his address to Congress after the attacks on Pearl Harbor.
	The American people in their righteous might will see through to eventual victory.
	So here's something that just came to me, a kind of philosophical point, but I think you can address it robustly.
	I can't think of an example in modern history of when it's worked That a leader is angry with his own fellow citizens.
	Because the speech today, we played the prior clip, but the speech today was, get vaccinated!
	Put masks on your kids!
	And it was this repetitive anger against fellow Americans.
	Isn't that the antithesis of leadership?
	Well it is.
	It's like his diplomacy where performance art masquerades as diplomacy and here the The anger masquerades as leadership, a feigned anger.
	But the American people have always done what was right.
	But I do see worse than Jimmy Carter.
	And the reason I say that is that at least Jimmy Carter at the end of his administration woke up.
	The things that helped Ronald Reagan win the Cold War, Jimmy Carter put in train.
	You know, the B-1 bomber.
	Afghanistan, the deployment of covert operatives in Afghanistan.
	Right, sending my former boss Bob Gates to the border and said, gentlemen, what do you need?
	Right.
	And the Minuteman missile.
	And Carter said, I was wrong.
	They're better days ahead, but we need to do these things.
	Of course, it was too late for him.
	But what you see here is a level of incompetence I don't think can be matched in American history.
	Is it fair to say, because what I see is two things, and tell me if you see anything missing.
	I see rank incompetence and the admixture of a mentality wherein they are hostages to their own ideology, which is a dangerous mixture.
	Well, it goes back to the theses of the Vietnam War, the theses of the retrospection of the Vietnam War, and the best and the brightest.
	The cocooned, as Nixon said, the cocooned Eastern liberal establishment.
	Now this is infused by radicalism that we really have not seen in the higher echelons of American power in our history.
	And it is contempt.
	It is the deplorables.
	It is the unwashed in between San Francisco and Boston and New York and Los Angeles.
	The people who cannot see the light as the light is presented to them by their betters.
	Can I, on this point, this may seem out of left field, but you use the term deplorables and the contempt of the elite, and this is not a politician, this is not an individual with political ambitions or a member of the quote-unquote intelligentsia, but she has several million followers.
	So this is Bette Midler's tweet with regards to Joe Manchin.
	Well, Joe Manchin, who represents a population smaller than Brooklyn, so what?
	Has done to the rest of America, by stopping Build Back Better, who wants to move forward not backward, like his state.
	Backward is horrible.
	He sold us out.
	He wants us all to be just like his state West Virginia.
	Poor, illiterate and strung out.
	Isn't that all part of the same thing?
	It is.
	It is.
	And it's a mindless disgust on the part of the elites for the people that they live with, the people that they make money off of.
	I mean, Bette Midler, of course, she saw her better days in the 70s.
	But that's what we're dealing with.
	And by the way, I'm going to go back to something that happened in your youth when the socialists, the British Labour Party under a fellow named Michael Foote, put out a manifesto that was dubbed the longest suicide note in British history.
	I thought of that when Psaki went after Joe Manchin and mentioned that he had lied seven or eight times.
	That is a political malfeasance of the highest order.
	But illustrative of an utter detachment from the American people.
	Not just reality, but from the American people.
	That's right.
	We're talking to Robert Wilkie, former Secretary of Veterans Affairs.
	He's staying with us here in studio.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	To the Battle of Edge Hill, his ancestors were on.
	That was his father.
	I remember Foote so well.
	We lived down the road literally after he was ejected.
	Kinnock was our neighbor down the road in Ealing.
	Yeah.
	Well, Biden got all of his best material.
	I know!
	All the stuff about being down the worst coal mines in Scranton.
	Stunning.
	Oh, man.
	But yeah, they came up with 100 extremists.
	We're going to mention that next.
	What is, Eric, can you look up the fighting force?
	Do you know how many we have?
	It's a little over 2.1 million.
	2.1?
	That includes the active and guard.
	Oh, and guard.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So 2.1.
	Yeah.
	Crazy.
	You saw the survey that the DoD issued, the 40-page survey?
	I have not seen it.
	Attitudes to women?
	I have not seen it.
	Oh, I'll send you to that.
	We discussed it with Jim Carrafano.
	Do you think women should... I mean, these are questions they're asking.
	Do you think women should live more traditional roles?
	What has this got to do with fighting performance?
	It's like having the political commissars in each battalion.
	Yeah, they sample it.
	Strange days.
	Very strange.
	You know, it's funny watching this and having been on the President's COVID task force and the decisiveness, the ability to move industry and science to do something that no one thought possible to produce these vaccines.
	Fauci said it was impossible.
	He said it's five years for a vaccine.
	You know, at VA, we...
	We took the president's guidance.
	It's interesting, we provided manuals on how to run nursing homes because we had so few deaths in our nursing homes.
	The one governor who never talked to me, who wouldn't even return my phone calls.
	The other Democrat governors in New England did.
	I didn't even know you had nursing homes.
	132.
	Oh my gosh.
	Everywhere?
	Everywhere.
	And the average age is about 89.
	And if you look at the scale of illness that the gerontologists create for nursing homes, the average nursing home is 4 out of 10.
	At VA, it's 8 out of 10.
	And yet, the number of deaths, the prevalence of illness was much lower.
	Will you come in with Cut 5?
	Cut 5.
	Are you sure that's in San Francisco?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Alright.
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	Trying to give a speech in San Francisco.
	My, she's done so well for San Francisco.
	When somebody says, let's go Brandon, USA, USA.
	It is happening guys.
	The worm is turning.
	We are delighted to have back in studio.
	None other than the former secretary for veteran affairs.
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	Have to get your response.
	Washington Post article.
	The military must prepare now for the 2024 insurrection written by four retired generals, none of whom I've heard of.
	And I speak as somebody who's briefed the commandant of the Marine Corps, worked with the, you know, the CGs in Bragg.
	Paul D. Eaton, Antonio Taguba and Steven Anderson.
	One, one.
	One line from the end here, the Defense Department should war game the next potential post-election insurrection or coup in an attempt to identify weak spots.
	I think the weak spots are probably these kinds of generals, aren't they?
	Absolutely, and it's a repeat of history.
	Ronald Reagan had to deal with a cadre of about 20 general officers who created something called the Center for Defense Information that was funded by Paul Newman's food.
	Oh, the salad dressers.
	The salad dressers.
	And they were, I don't know the background of these folks, but these people were nothing more than apologists for the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact.
	Everything Reagan did they condemned.
	These are people who are completely out of touch.
	And the sad thing is that this administration continues down the road to politicize the officer corps.
	You and I were talking about surveys that they're putting out asking soldiers their view of traditional roles in the family.
	That has absolutely no place in the armed forces of the United States.
	It's none of their business.
	And then the announcement that a hundred, quote-unquote, extremists have been found out of a fighting force of two million?
	A hundred out of 2.1 million.
	And let me tell you, I saw what happens when extremism infects the military.
	The United States Army imploded after Vietnam.
	It was beset by drug abuse.
	You talk about insurrection.
	There were insurrections all across the post by father.
	As a senior officer in America's most decorated combat unit.
	Had to arm himself to go into the barracks.
	The Black Panthers were rampant.
	Biker gangs were rampant.
	Drug gangs were rampant.
	This is the post-Vietnam collapse?
	Post-Vietnam.
	So this is the mid-seventies.
	And there were more than a hundred extremists on Fort Bragg then.
	And now to say that after everything that they've done to turn over the military, to create such chaos within the ranks, that they've come up with a hundred people.
	Do you think any of those hundred people are connected to Antifa or BLM, Secretary?
	No, as a matter of fact, I think, I think you'll go back and Kirby was asked why BLM was not on the list.
	And this is very sad.
	You and I have talked.
	The tradition in this country is unlike any other.
	It's not like France.
	It's not like Britain was before the war, before World War Two.
	These were people who had no political connections.
	They came up through the meritocracy of the military.
	And to see this happening is counter to everything that began with George Washington.
	Well, and the civilian control principle.
	And civilian control.
	And the idea that you wouldn't even know if an officer voted, how they voted, or if they voted at all.
	And no one talked about it.
	No!
	We've got a minute left.
	I'll play it later after you've gone for our listeners, but our friend Kurt Schlicht has served the nation for 20 years in uniform.
	On Fox last night he said, the next Trump administration, the next Republican administration, we have to get rid of all the senior generals.
	Your comment?
	Well, I think we do.
	I think we have to clean house and we have to get these generals and these colonels back into the field.
	Get them out of Washington DC.
	Because it infects them.
	They become political animals.
	And we have to change military education.
	We have to allow, once again, for the future Eisenhowers to spend years studying strategy and the globe.
	I'm annoyed, I'm angry again.
	Far too short a visit from Secretary Wilkie.
	Can you come back for a longer discussion like you did last time?
	We'd love to.
	In the new year, we shall do that.
	In the meantime, follow this man's work at heritage.org.
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	Jim Cleveland, welcome to America First.
	Hey, Dr. G, long time listener, since the very beginning and first time caller, and I'm not sure if I heard it right, but I thought that guy was yelling, love Joe Manchin in the background.
	That's a good one!
	And I think it might be a new t-shirt.
	I like the idea.
	I'm going to talk to our team.
	We're going to talk to Randy.
	I love Joe Manchin.
	Or let's go, I don't know.
	Jim, it's hard to tell.
	Great, great idea.
	Stay on the line.
	For a loyal, loyal listener, let's give Jim one of our America First hats.
	What a superb, superb idea.
	Elliot, New York, welcome!
	Elliot, are you there?
	Yes, I'm here with you, Dr. G. You know, my father was in, during the war, he was in Europe, in Poland, and he had a great education from the University of Buchenwald.
	Oh my gosh.
	Oh, go ahead.
	Keep going.
	We lost you there.
	How long was he a prisoner in Buchenwald?
	About two years, but he was in different camps before that, like ghettos.
	He was in the Tarnow ghetto, he escaped, he got caught, they sent him to another, and then he finally ended up in Buchenwald.
	And there at that university, he got a doctorate in humanities, and he told me, the difference between a Nazi and a communist, the Nazis extinguish your life, where the communists steal your soul.
	Oh, that's good.
	And I think that's very profound.
	No, that is very, very profound, yes.
	As my father put it, who was arrested at the age of 20, put in a political prison for six years before he was liberated, he called his time in prison the best education he ever had.
	He was surrounded By the creme de la creme, the priests, the intellectuals, the people who are class traitors according to the communist regime.
	So yeah, I'm sure your father learned a great deal in the horrors he survived.
	But yes, the fascists, the Nazis exterminated the communists.
	Target your soul.
	Beautiful, beautiful call.
	Let's go to our good friend in Brooklyn, Judy!
	Welcome!
	Hi, Dr. Gorka.
	You know, I just heard our hypocrite-in-chief speak, you know, to everyone.
	And I want to say something jumped out.
	He said, it's your patriotic duty.
	And I thought I wanted to wash his mouth out with soap.
	He has the nerve to talk about patriotism?
	You know, he's the one that is allowing streaming.
	He's for streaming and protecting illegals versus American citizens.
	He doesn't give a flying flip at anyone that's American.
	It's all about illegals coming in, streaming in.
	And also, look what he did.
	He abandoned Americans in Afghanistan.
	He handed Afghanistan to China on a silver platter, didn't care.
	And then you look at Hunter Biden, the corruption, what he did.
	Hunter was a cover for him, for China and the European corruption.
	I have the flu, so I sound a little bit like off, but...
	Look, let me share with you what Secretary Wilkie said in the break for those who aren't watching and rumble and get to hear that.
	He said, when we left Americans, when Biden left Americans in Afghanistan, the fact is we sent a message to dictators like China, like Russia, That we will abandon our own, which means there is no hope for countries like Taiwan and Ukraine.
	That is the message.
	This man is lecturing us on patriotism, and he left American citizens stranded in Afghanistan.
	You are absolutely right, Judy.
	God bless you.
	Thank you.
	Let's go to John, San Diego.
	Lots of calls.
	The number is 833-33-GORKA.
	That's 833-334-6752.
	333 Gorka.
	That's 833-334-6752.
	Welcome, John.
	Sebastian, I have two things.
	First, I'd like to know if any of the reporters asked Biden after his speech if he was grateful to Trump for getting the vaccines created so quickly.
	They did not.
	We caught most of the Q&A and nobody asked him whether he's grateful for the vaccine, which he said he didn't even remember when he got it.
	Do you remember?
	He was vaccinated when President Trump was still the president and he said, oh, I was so lucky to be vaccinated after I was sworn in.
	He is that Oh yeah, well he is an imbecile.
	British TV show today where they said at the end, after I called him, well, I don't think we can say he's senile.
	If you don't know who the president is when you're vaccinated and you are one of the two choices, then yes, you are senile.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, he is an imbecile.
	But the other thing is the reason he's so angry is that the administration is in a panic because COVID is burning itself out.
	It's doing what vaccines do.
	It gets weaker with every strain.
	Otherwise, it never survives.
	So people are not going to the death rate is going to continue to drop.
	But unless they have, they can claim 99% vaccination rate, They can't claim credit for it because the unvaccinated are going to be just as healthy.
	Yeah, you know, I'm not sure about that.
	I think the bigger problem may be that what have we had in just the last few days?
	Senator Warren, Spartacus, what's his real name?
	Cory Booker, Psaki, Governor Hogan.
	They've all caught COVID and they've been vaccinated.
	So the whole narrative is collapsing, John.
	The End
	The End ...said that Jennifer's really good and might be even better than me!
	I heard that one.
	And she didn't dump it!
	Outrageous!
	There was like four or five of those.
	What?
	Wait, we missed one?
	You heard it, that part?
	That's the only thing, I listened to like two segments as I was waiting for my plane to take off.
	Do you want any cuts from yesterday?
	There were some better ones yesterday.
	From her show?
	No, we didn't play.
	Video cuts.
	I've got so many here.
	Can I hear Newt?
	Newt's good.
	I think you have to start with the notion that these are people who need therapy.
	Their level of anger is so... I'm serious.
	Of course.
	We keep trying to deal with this as though it's a political problem.
	It's not a political problem.
	It's a mental health problem.
	These people are crazy.
	People like AOC are so out of touch with reality that you can't have a political conversation with them because you're not on the same planet.
	I mean, they're on Planet Fantasy Left, where they... I always tell people, these are folks who saw The Lion King and thought it was a documentary.
	They think lions and zebras dance and sing together.
	Alright, stop.
	Give me ten.
	There's a concept in the law called aiding and abetting, and that's the big danger for Donald Trump.
	That he, you know, he was there, he took a long five-hour coffee break on January 6th and did nothing.
	And what was going on?
	He was watching television.
	He saw everything that was happening on Capitol Hill.
	Mark Meadows was coming in trying to tell him he's got to do something.
	He's got to make a statement.
	His own daughter, Ivanka Trump, came in to try to tell him he had to do something.
	And like the security guard, he had a duty to stop what happened on the hill if he could do that on January 6th.
	I love that the Chiron says conservative lawyer.
	I like it goes from incited it, then planned it, now it's aiding and abetting.
	Make that comment.
	I love that.
	Thank you.
	Dr. G is in the house on America First.
	So no one at CNN has died of Omicron, thank heaven, but we're sad to tell you there has been an outbreak of pedophilia there.
	In just the past few days, two producers of that network are busted for allegedly molesting children.
	But the real headline is at Fox News.
	What happened there?
	The punchline is there are more pedophiles at CNN than there are people who've died of Omicron in America.
	Tucker Carlson has a way with words.
	But it's not just hardcore conservatives like Tucker we have to thank.
	We have to thank, what does the chyron say?
	Conservative lawyers like Kellyanne Conway's husband, George Conway, because he's finally in his Legal preeminence given us the solution for all the violence in America in Democrat cities.
	Listen to his sterling analysis, I don't know how she's married to him, on CNN, George Conway, on January the 6th.
	There's a concept in the law called aiding and abetting, and that's the big danger for Donald Trump.
	That he, you know, he was there.
	He took a long five-hour coffee break, in effect, on January 6th and did nothing.
	And what was going on?
	He was watching television.
	He saw everything that was happening on Capitol Hill.
	Mark Meadows was coming in trying to tell him he's got to do something.
	He's got to make a statement.
	His own daughter, Ivanka Trump, came in to try to tell him he had to do something.
	And, like the security guard, he had a duty to stop what happened on the Hill if he could do that on January 6th.
	Wow, wow.
	I mean, just Grotius was less of a legal scholar than this man.
	Because private citizens were committing crimes and President Trump didn't stop them means he was aiding and abetting.
	Which I guess means Lori Lightfoot is responsible For about a hundred shootings every weekend in Chicago and twelve murders.
	Which means everything illegal happening on the streets of San Francisco is actually being committed by London Breed the Mayor.
	We're going to clean up America!
	George, you're a flipping genius!
	Oh, and something else that Mr. G realized.
	What did you say about the evolution of the January 6th narrative?
	Yeah, first Trump incited it, then it went to that he planned it, and now it's aiding and abetting.
	Next week he was gonna be, uh, he was awake.
	Donald Trump was awake as private citizens were breaking windows on January the 6th.
	Oh my gosh.
	Oh, and by the way, Newsweek...
	Why does any conservative write for Newsweek said, yet again, yesterday, that Brian Sicknick was killed by January 6th insurrectionists?
	What garbage.
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	The End
	The End The End The End The End The End The End The End Okay, uh, six and then seven.
	Let me grab that.
	Very briefly, we've heard now that Senators Warren and Booker both have had breakthrough cases.
	Have you heard of any more cases?
	And what concerns do you have about the protections against COVID in the Senate, as you've all been working together so closely?
	Well, we are working together closely.
	People on my side of the aisle are uniformly wearing masks.
	Unfortunately, people on the Republican side majority are not, which is also frustrating.
	Unvaccinated Americans should be banned by law from flying on airplanes in their own country.
	He announced that last night on Twitter.
	Now, the airlines disagree with this.
	They thought a lot about it.
	So does any sane physician.
	They have two.
	But Eric Swalwell, who's probably the most physically unclean member of Congress, now imagines himself a public health official with the power to make these decisions.
	So before we go any further and grant Eric Swalwell that power, we probably ought to see his medical records.
	It'd be kind of ironic if a guy with multiple chlamydia infections was lecturing the rest of us about how to keep safe from a virus.
	Oh!
	I think he hates Swalwell more than anybody else.
	I believe it.
	Oh yeah.
	It was funny too, there was a USA Today op-ed saying, no one fears the Democrats anymore with the whole Manchin thing.
	And they said like, Democrats need to start playing hardball.
	They need to start putting forward their best communicators, such as Eric Swalwell, Jamie Raskin, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
	You are kidding me.
	They literally said that.
	said that let me find that article again who was it by It was by some DNC guy.
	Can you send a couple of videos to Casio?
	Yeah.
	Hey, it's Jeff with Sebastian Gorka.
	Yes.
	Put you on hold, just remember the mics, they're live on Rumble during the commercial breaks, alright?
	Hang on.
	Go ahead.
	Uh, can you do number four?
	AOC thinks, um, The Lion King was a documentary.
	Yep.
	Um, I put, like, Newt Gingrich, colon.
	And then, uh, Pelosi, um, Let's go Brandon Reaches San Francisco.
	And then what's another good one?
	One of the Tucker ones, the one we just played.
	Speaking of which, I don't know why I didn't take a picture.
	At the gas station in Arlington today, I did that Biden sticker was on it.
	In Arlington.
	Do my one, Turning Point USA, the four minute one.
	Of course.
	Okay, good.
	Alright, we have him on the line?
	Yes.
	Okay, I'll bring him up.
	Conrad, greetings!
	Hi, I'm Sebastian.
	Did you get the email of the story?
	I did it and I watched it and you're like Hulk Hogan.
	That was great stuff.
	All right, I need your commentary on this subpoena.
	Let's start with that.
	Well, it's a complete outrage, of course.
	Yeah, it's just incredible.
	But the fact that Verizon sent it to me first, I think even they're worried because everybody else, Mark Meadows and everybody else, had the texts subpoenaed and sent to Congress without being informed.
	So something's happening.
	It's very interesting.
	All right, stand by.
	They're issuing subpoenas, brother!
	All right.
	And then I wanted to play in the second half something for Lord Black.
	What was it?
	The selector thing?
	Uh, no.
	Oh, the Genghis Khan.
	Of course, the Genghis Khan.
	All right.
	Thank you.
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	Welcome back, dear friends.
	It is a peculiar position I find myself in.
	There is the aphorism, the cliche that all news is good news from the point of brand building.
	Not sure I agree with it, but when you are the story, or when I am the story, my producer is always very happy.
	I think he thinks it's good for the ratings.
	And yes, Today I did break some news in front of 10,000 assembled Americans at the AmericaFest in Phoenix, and I can't think of anyone better to comment on it than our regular guest, Lord Conrad Black, historian, columnist, financier, a man who has suffered the abuse of an unjust judicial system himself.
	He is the author of so many seminal works, a matter of principle, biographies of FDR, Nixon, and most recently President Trump.
	A president like no other.
	Donald J. Trump and the restoring of America.
	Lord Black, welcome back to America First.
	Thank you, Sebastian.
	I must start by saying how much I admired your performance at Turning Point.
	You were marching back and forth like Hulk Hogan.
	It was terrific.
	Thank you kindly.
	I didn't rip my t-shirt off quite, but it was quite an impassioned... I was angry.
	I was angry at this early Christmas present left on my doorstep on Saturday.
	For those who missed the opening of the show, who haven't seen my speech, it's posted on my Twitter and Facebook pages.
	You're right to be angry.
	It's an outrage.
	It's a complete outrage.
	And turning the telephone company into an auxiliary of...
	This attempt by the Speaker of the House to operate the Congress as a prosecution service.
	Well, for those who missed the top of the show an hour ago, Verizon sent me a package of documents, including a House subpoena from the January 6th Committee to them, demanding they disclose all my telephonic information to the committee.
	And I have 15 days over Christmas to appeal and get a court injunction, despite the fact that the document I have in front of me here mentions no, no crime committed by me.
	Just the phone number.
	Any phone associated with my account also has to have all the data passed over to the committee, despite the fact that they can do with it whatever they want.
	Lord Black, if you were in my shoes, what would you do?
	I'm curious.
	Well, look, as I assume you've done, I've consulted counsel.
	I have.
	Normally, if you get a preposterous subpoena, you make a motion to quash and rub their noses in it.
	Now, I mean, it's not for me to ask you, you know, privileged information between you and your counsel, but I mean, if you don't answer if you don't want to, but if you don't mind answering, Has council advised you that you've got a good grounds to quash the subpoena?
	Well, council has advised me that because the time frame is so absurd, 15 days over Christmas break, and the cost would also be not minimal, to not take legal action, but to use it as fodder for my political and media campaign against the committee, which, let me be very specific, I don't want to get into the legal minutiae.
	But the committee as currently created is illegal.
	It is unconstitutional on two grounds.
	I mean, one side shows all the members.
	Yes, so two reasons.
	One of them is that one.
	The first one is That any investigative committee, it is very clear when it comes to the US Constitution, must have a legislative purpose.
	It must be investigating something to do with a bill or an act, not just whatever the majority party wishes.
	Yes, just an institutional smear campaign.
	And secondly, since we have a system of political parties, both parties must nominate members to that committee.
	On the one hand, Kevin McCarthy did nominate members to Nancy.
	Nancy rejected all of them.
	And place two pro-impeachment Republicans, Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, on the committee.
	That does not make it legal.
	As such, that's why the Chief of Staff of President Trump is not cooperating with the committee because it is illegal, Lord Black.
	Look, I suspect, and I'm getting out of my depth or close to it here,
	But this attempt by her in particular, and I'm old enough to remember the McCarthy era, I mean it happens occasionally, when a prominent member, in this case the Speaker of the House, attempts to transform the Congress into a prosecutorial organization and to lever on a paper-thin majority the authority of the entire House of Representatives
	And projected into a sector where they're way beyond legislation and into what amounts to the executive administration of the law.
	And then in addition to that, doing so in a way that itself ignores the entire code of procedure.
	So they run roughshod over rules of notice and identification of potential offenses and all that sort of thing.
	I mean, it is just, it is, to take a phrase from the Bible, it is pilon pelion on ossa.
	It's just heaping illegalities on top of each other, all in a pathetic and contemptible partisan effort to keep the Trump 8 movement going.
	The whole thing is, it's a manure pile of of abuse of office. - Look, you always, when I ask you similar questions, Lord Black, you always do caveat them with, you know, the provisor that, you know, we are not psychiatrists or psychologists.
	But as a historian of note, I have to ask, what is the rationale here?
	Because this is not, if you're a politician, if you're the Speaker of the House who's been around for decades, I'm not sure this is a way to win votes or to actually win over people who are independents or in the middle.
	Is there a belief?
	Are they hostages to their ideology or is there a belief that with the tools they are using, such as the ones against me, Meadows, Bannon and others, they just think that they can crush Please don't take this in the wrong spirit, Sebastian, but I doubt if the Speaker or any of the Democratic leadership are particularly preoccupied with you, or Mr. Meadows, or certainly not Steve Bannon.
	It's Trump they're after, and they're doing this, I think, because the only game they've got, and the only one they've succeeded at in the last five years, is the mobilization of Trump aid.
	actually win the election, by which I mean they managed to get their candidate inaugurated as president.
	We all know that with over 40 million harvested ballots, they reliably won the election when 46,000 votes flipped in Pennsylvania, Arizona and Georgia would have given it to Trump.
	We all know that the election was to some degree tainted and rigged.
	But throughout the last five years, they have focused entirely, and it must be said in a cynically partisan way, successfully, on turning Trump hate into obstruction of Trump.
	I mean, Trump has shook, to take a phrase from the late George Wallace, he shook that complacent, torpid, flabby, and largely corrupt political establishment and shook it by the IT.
	And they have made, it must be said, a very vigorous but completely unethical comeback.
	I mean, even by the most rough and tumble political standards, the phony Trump-Russian collusion, the phony impeachments, the manipulation of the coronavirus crisis to make it possible to rig elections in six swing states.
	All of that, but at least they've had a success there, and it's the only way in their unimaginative and decayed minds that they can hang on to this position that they're abusing.
	But where you've got this bipartisan group of complacent people who mismanage the country after the Reagan period, or at least after Bush Sr.
	I mean, the mediocrity and flim-flam and policy disasters of Clinton and George W. Bush and Obama, and they naturally think it's a pretty good thing and want it to continue, and the only way they can fight it is not on its merits, you know, not the way Lincoln and Douglas did or something like that, but by constantly abusing the law and with the extreme complicity of an absolutely degraded political national media,
	Just throwing muck at Trump and anyone associated with him.
	I don't think they're particularly after you.
	They're just trying to pick you up.
	No, it is clear to me that you're absolutely right.
	I have no delusions of grandeur.
	We are simply proxies for the president.
	But in the last 30 seconds we have with you in this segment, Lord Black, can you build another campaign exclusively on Trump hatred, given what we witnessed in Virginia?
	No, I don't think you can, and I think they've outsmarted themselves.
	They ran the most rancidly illegal and unethical political operation in the entire history of the country, starting with that Trump-Russia collusion nonsense.
	I mean, no one ever nominated that the opposite president would have colluded with any foreign power in such a thing.
	And it's all I have.
	Stay safe, stay true.
	We have only just begun.
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	Co-host of the podcast Scholars in a Sense.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First.
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	Trump is evil.
	Some of them actually believe he is evil.
	But some are cooler heads.
	No, some are just cynical, but I think some like AOC have convinced themselves.
	Yeah, well, she's a naive young person.
	I mean, what the hell does she know anyway?
	But, you know, she actually thought that you would reduce funeral expenses if you broaden the proportions of assisted health care.
	You know, AOC on top, we're all going to die eventually, and we've got to have the funeral.
	So I think you've got a blend there of total cynics who are firing the only pitch they have, And true believers who really think they're fighting evil.
	You've got this odd situation where they convinced themselves when Trump appeared that he was a menace to constitutional democracy and they then completely subverted the Constitution.
	They intimidated the judiciary.
	I mean, the judiciary just advocated instead of adjudicating the merits of the claims on the questionable election and vote counting techniques.
	And so they are the ones who are violating the sort of Saul Alinsky writ large.
	I mean, you accuse your opponent of what you yourself are doing.
	No, this is the point that my friend who has the morning show in D.C., makes, that a large chunk of all of this, and this is where it is about me and Bannon and others, is to make sure that others are disincentivized to ever serve in a Republican administration.
	Oh, it's intimidation by all means.
	That's what they're trying to do.
	They're trying to convince, let's say, mobile opinion, unfixed opinion, the independent voter, I mean, the open-minded.
	They're trying to convince them that any association, even of the most distant kind, with the Trump-Republican movement is toxic and infects you with a terminal social illness.
	And, of course, it's not going to work.
	I mean, it's a bunk and it won't work.
	You really think the intimidation is not going to work?
	I don't know.
	Absolutely not.
	If I thought that the great United States of America, and God knows, as you've said, I've seen what a dysfunctional justice system it has in many ways.
	In some respects, I regret to say, an evil system.
	But that's not the point.
	It is fundamentally a democracy.
	I might have to ask you that question on air, because I think our millions of listeners need to hear that.
	All right.
	Look, I hope you don't feel I'm ranting.
	No!
	No, my gosh.
	After the video you saw me give and that speech, I'm never going to accuse anybody of ranting.
	I thought it was very effective.
	Thank you.
	We had a lot of fun.
	30 seconds.
	Standby.
	JCN.
	Yes.
	And that's just about it.
	Want to come in with anything?
	No, I'm going to tee up the Gingrich cut.
	All right.
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	We are back with Lord Conrad Black, historian, columnist, financier, author of just superb books.
	You must check them out wherever you get your books.
	Follow him at Conrad M. Black.
	Also the co-host along with Victor Davis Hanson and Bill Bennett of the Scholars and Sense podcast.
	Most recently his book is a present like no other.
	Donald J. Trump and the restoring of America.
	Lord Black, let me play for you a shortcut from one of the most sagacious political minds in America today, if not the most, of course, former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich describing the state of the modern Democrat Party.
	I think you have to start with the notion that these are people who need therapy.
	Their level of anger is so... I'm serious.
	Of course.
	We keep trying to deal with this as though it's a political problem.
	It's not a political problem.
	It's a mental health problem.
	These people are crazy.
	People like AOC are so out of touch with reality that you can't have a political conversation with them because you're not on the same planet.
	I mean, they're on Planet Fantasy Left, where they... I always tell people, these are folks who saw The Lion King and thought it was a documentary.
	They think lions and zebras dance and sing together.
	They're shocked to discover that terrorists want to kill you, murderers want to murder you, rapists want to rape you.
	It doesn't fit their vision.
	Given the title of your latest piece at AmericanGreatness.com, The Gathering Cloud of Political Madness, I presume you would concur with Speaker Gingrich.
	I almost always agree with you, and I do in this case.
	But in addition to what he says, there are other ingredients.
	Apart from madness, you have the desperation of people who realize that the sands are running out and they're almost finished.
	You know, the famous biblical story from the time of Nebuchadnezzar, you know, you've been weighed in the balance and you've been found wanting.
	And in addition to that, they have gone so far off the dock and into the deep end that they are doing things that are, in fact, self-destructive.
	I mean, this business of trying to ramp up The lockdowns and the mandates and the authoritarianism, again, is insane.
	I mean, we're talking about a variant of the virus, which now is the variant of which 70% of those currently suffering from COVID are the hosts of that variant.
	And it is one for which there is a grand total, as I understand it, of one fatality in the United States.
	Alleged!
	Alleged!
	And eight in the world, which normally means that these people died with the virus, but you don't know if they died effectively from the virus.
	So for this, a fatality rate of an infinitesimal subdivision of one percent, they're trying to shut the country down.
	Now this one, It is particularly ironic, they quote, won in quote, the election by exploiting COVID, rigging the election rules, stopping the ballot boxes in the particularly sensitive areas in the swing states, and having ridden that spavened horse to victory.
	They have now lost complete control of it, and it's trampling over them!
	And they are going to crucify themselves!
	You know, an auto-crucifixion, a new concept.
	The auto-crucifixion.
	I think we have the title for your next piece.
	We are posting it right now on our Twitter and Facebook pages.
	The Gathering Cloud of Political Madness.
	Lord Black writes for the Epoch Times and American Greatness.
	We love both of them.
	Amgreatness.com.
	Lord Black, is the recent decision or the maintained decision by Senator Manchin to not support Build Back Better, is that a sign of a ray of sanity?
	Or is he just like King Canute trying to stop the sea and it will be impossible?
	Again, I don't know him, but I would say it is definitely not a King Canute thing.
	I'm speaking here as a member of the public.
	I believe he has been absolutely consistent in his position.
	He's invulnerable in his own state.
	And he is clearly a robust personality who does not like people trying to intimidate him.
	And they did try to intimidate him.
	I've made something of a study of how some presidents have worked with Uh, prominent figures in the Congress.
	I mean, I went very carefully through President Roosevelt's relations with the Congress, which were extremely fruitful from his standpoint.
	President Johnson, whom I knew slightly as an ex-president, was a legendary figure both in the Senate and in his relations with the Congress as vice president and president and others.
	What they have done is absolutely the model of how not to do things.
	You know, you do what the LBJ did with Senator Dirksen over civil rights.
	You sit down and say, what do you need to support this?
	You don't publicly have a staff members.
	As Newt Gingrich said with Tammy Bruce, I believe, last night, mouthing off and insulting elected officials.
	They're just staff members.
	You know, it's fine.
	That's a perfectly important position.
	But, God damn it, they're not elected, and they don't get off telling prominent senators what they have to do and threatening them.
	And Biden knows better than that.
	I mean, he's no genius, but he sat there festering in the Senate for six or seven terms, and he knows what not to do, and yet he allows people to do it.
	In Manchin's own case, I think he's sincere.
	Now, I don't like this business that he wants to try and repeal Trump's taxes.
	I mean, if he comes on to that and they actually get 51 votes to do it, that'll be a bad business.
	So I don't think he's rolled over.
	I don't think he's sold out to the Republicans.
	He's been consistent, and his view is responsible.
	This Build Back Better bill is nonsense.
	From A to Z, it's just rubbish.
	When it comes to the rest of the Democrats who say who are seasoned politicians, they may be seasoned politicians, but isn't the issue that they're so divorced from American reality?
	Yeah, I think that the young ones like AOC are really like, they're like people I knew when I was in our undergraduate, when I was an undergraduate, our model parliament it's called in an Anglo-Canadian context.
	I myself made a coalition with a party I didn't agree with except just to keep another party out.
	You do that at university, you're having fun, you know?
	Well, that's, I think, what AFC and these others are doing.
	They're highly motivated for narrow reasons, but they're very inexperienced at what they're doing.
	I mean, in the league, they're doing it.
	But some of these guys are just decayed servitors, like Durbin and these others are doing it.
	They're atrophied.
	We talked to somebody who is not inexperienced.
	Read his autobiography, A Matter of Principle, to find out.
	Wishing you a very, very Merry Christmas.
	He's Lord Conrad Black.
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	We're going to give you a little snippet of what I said at Turning Point USA that Lord Black found so stirring.
	This is my declaration of political war against Nancy and Chef.
	So, I've served this nation multiple times.
	I spent five and a half years in the Defense Department.
	I was a professor of counter-terrorism.
	When I did that, I swore an oath of office to become a DoD civilian.
	I did it the same day I was sworn in as Deputy Assistant for Strategy to the President.
	So, what happened to me on Sunday, or on Saturday afternoon, really hurts.
	And it's got me pissed.
	I arrive home with my family.
	And this is on my doorstep.
	I didn't even sign for it.
	This is how amateurish these people are.
	And I looked at it, and it's addressed to me, and it says, from the sender, Verizon Security Subpoena Compliance Department.
	Verizon Subpoena Security Compliance Department.
	I think I have an idea what this is.
	So I open it.
	There's one page from Verizon, and then there's multiple pages from the US Congress.
	Verizon says, the committee investigating January the 6th has requested my phone records and I have 15 days to get a judge to stop them.
	Why did they do that?
	Why does Congress want a legal immigrant who was deputy assistant to the president to have his text messages, his phone calls, and I mean everything.
	I mean everything.
	Let me just read to you what this illegal committee is having access granted to it.
	And think about this for your phone and your family.
	They will have access to the telephone and instrument numbers of every phone on my account.
	Which means my wife, which means my children.
	Including, this is from Congress, MAC addresses.
	Electronic serial numbers.
	Mobile equipment identifiers.
	Subscriber identity modules.
	SIM cards.
	Mobile subscriber identifiers.
	On and on.
	Seven pages of my rights being negated.
	Why?
	Forget the fact that the committee is illegal because you're not allowed to investigate anything unless it has a legislative purpose.
	The Constitution is clear.
	There is no legislative purpose to Nancy's witch hunt.
	And secondly, secondly, you cannot have an Investigatory Committee of Congress without both parties designating members.
	Both not fake conservatives, not pro-impeachment rhinos like Kinzinger and Cheney, not disgraces to the oath of office they took, but people designated by their party leadership.
	Kevin McCarthy's nominees were rejected, which means this committee is illegal.
	But not only that, and I will be posting these documents online, Nancy, because I ain't afraid of you.
	No crime is mentioned.
	Amen.
	What am I accused of doing?
	Because I was meant to be speaking on the same day at the Supreme Court?
	But didn't?
	Because the President's speech went too long?
	That's my crime?
	In America?
	Speaking?
	There is no crime!
	And I'm going to tell you something, Adam Schiff.
	I'm going to tell you, Nancy.
	You chose the wrong enemy.
	That's just part of what I had to say in front of 10,000 patriots at America Fest in Phoenix yesterday.
	Thank you, Jennifer Horne, for covering the show.
	If you want to see the whole speech, go right now to my Twitter feed, my Facebook page, and you can see and listen to the whole speech.
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	hi my name is michelle i'm Hi Michelle, what's your question, what's your comment?
	So, just to give you a little demographic, I'm a 45-year-old female.
	I live in the South, in Florida.
	I'm a Coast Guard reservist.
	I have a master's degree.
	I'm a registered Democrat, but I consider myself more of an independent.
	I listen to your show every day because I like to hear what the other side thinks.
	I don't agree with most of what you say, but I just get frustrated when people talk about COVID in terms of death or the sniffles.
	And there's no in between.
	The reason people need to get vaccinated and people, you know, companies are doing, holding this accountable is because they can't afford their workforce to be sick.
	And what about those hundreds of thousands of people that don't have sick leave, that get paid hourly, and they can't afford to be sick?
	So now we've got people coming into the office with fevers and sniffles, not getting COVID tested, spreading it around to everyone else.
	And there's nobody saying don't do that.
	And so I just don't understand why it's got to be either I'm afraid of death or everything's fine.
	It's very simple.
	I'll tell you what you don't understand.
	It's not your bloody decision, Michelle.
	No, I don't mean mandating.
	I get that.
	If I'm not afraid of getting sick, who the hell are you to tell me I'm not allowed to get sick?
	But it's different than just the common cold.
	This is a highly contagious disease.
	Which has a 0.3% mortality rate.
	Why is it up to you, Michelle?
	You're not listening.
	Stop talking and listen.
	Who are you to tell me that I can't get sick?
	Are you going to force me to get a flu shot?
	Are you going to mandate flu shots?
	The Coast Guard mandates flu shots.
	I have to get them every year.
	shots.
	Why?
	I had to get them every year.
	But that's different.
	You actually...
	Why?
	Why?
	Because when you take the UCMJ oath, you are actually giving up lots of your rights.
	When you put out on a uniform, you're not a citizen in the same sense that a civilian is.
	Don't you understand that as a coastie?
	Do you not understand what it means to be under the UCMJ?
	You're not allowed to politically...
	You're not even allowed to politically campaign.
	Michelle, you don't listen.
	You don't listen.
	You don't listen.
	Go and listen to the show and stop being a totalitarian, okay?
	If you serve this nation, understand that we are citizens and not subjects.
	That's why America was created.
	20 seconds. 20 seconds.
	America First Can you believe it?
	They are saying that they don't agree with America first.
	How do you say that?
	Magnificent.
	For unvaccinated, we are looking at a winner of severe illness and death for unvaccinated.
	For themselves, their families, and the hospital, they'll soon overwhelm.
	But, there's good news.
	If you're vaccinated, you have your booster shot, you're protected from severe illness and death.
	The winter of death.
	He doubled down today.
	Boosters, boosters, boosters, vaccines, masks, federal assets used.
	Is it the right response?
	Where is this logic or illogic coming from?
	Let's talk to the president of the Committee to Unleash Prosperity, a man who's done more than almost anybody else, I think, by himself to tell the truth about COVID, Phil Kirpin.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Hey, great to be with you.
	Phil, did you listen to Biden's pronouncements today?
	I watched some, but not all of it.
	As much as you could stomach?
	I looked about a thousand years old.
	He did not look good.
	He did not look good.
	So talk to us.
	Is it what you expected?
	And were you surprised by... We still have to count it, but the number of times he said, get a booster, get a booster.
	It's patriotic.
	Your children should be vaccinated.
	Is this going to work?
	Do public health No, I don't think it's a very effective strategy or message.
	Essentially, it's a more aggressive form of the same things they've been saying, and I was particularly struck about, you know, when the passage, when they said we're going to set up more vaccination centers, it's going to be easy and convenient and free, and it's like, buddy, you can go in any drugstore right now and get it.
	It's not, people are not having difficulty Finding it, and in fact, we've had very high uptake.
	That's the other thing that's so odd about this obsession.
	We've had very high uptake, especially among older people.
	The fact that we continue to have a high level of virus circulating is indicative that the vaccine is not going to stop the virus from circulating.
	It may reduce severity, and that certainly is desirable, but we would need to stop obsessing about this virus circulating as if it's even possible to stop it from doing so, and I would have liked to see much more of a stress on treatment.
	It does seem like they're going to move forward with the Pfizer pills sometime soon.
	That may be good, although I'd like to see final data.
	I've always seen the press release so far.
	I'd like to see a lot more focus on the monoclonal antibody treatments, which they almost never talk about, which are extraordinarily effective.
	And I would like to see them talking about less testing rather than more.
	They should say, unless you're sick enough to require treatment in the event that you test positive, There's not really much benefit to testing.
	They're sending out 500 million tests.
	It seems like they're doing something that would have been helpful a year and a half ago, but is basically useless for where we are.
	Let me ask you the tough question.
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	Phil, you've been following this so closely, not just at the federal level, but at the state level, analyzing the policies, looking at the actual data.
	Have you come across, or do you have a theory, a supposition, as to what is driving this seeming illogical policy, with the emphasis, as you said, on the wrong things, like testing, vice, therapeutics, and other things?
	Is it a narrative that's taken control?
	Is it a fear of I don't know what.
	What is the possible explanation for just how bad these policies are?
	Honestly, I think almost everything that's happening now in COVID is driven by an unwillingness of our public health authorities and politicians to admit that they were wrong.
	And they can't admit that they were wrong to disrupt the lives of children.
	So instead of saying normal school, they say, oh, well, we can maybe stay open.
	We're going to do even more testing and we're going to mask them and we're going to do outdoor lunch and all this kind of thing.
	Instead of saying, You know, for the vast majority of people, this is not a very dangerous virus, especially the current version, which is even more attenuated than the previous one.
	And so we're going to sort of stand back from the emergency sort of stance.
	They want to say it's more of an emergency than ever, and we're going to start moving military around.
	And I really think it stems from the one thing they're just never willing to do, which is admit that they were wrong.
	I also think, Dr. Gorka, that a lot of what we've seen today Especially the military deployments and the FEMA centers is just about trying to sort of work the refs and convince the Supreme Court not to stop the vaccine mandates.
	Remember, they're going to decide on a stay.
	The briefs are due December 30th.
	And so, you know, creating sort of an emergency crisis mentality.
	I think it's really important for them to have any sort of credibility on their argument to the Supreme Court that we're in an emergency right now, you know, contrary to the reality.
	Which makes everything fall apart as a house of cards.
	I heard a doctor say the following, and I'd like your reaction.
	If you know That what you are telling people to do will not be done.
	It's like the boy who cries wolf.
	The next time you ask them to do something, they're even less likely.
	So whatever it is, the policy is just heaping failure upon failure, is it not?
	Oh, it absolutely is.
	It absolutely is.
	But, you know, we're sort of locked into this past dependency now where they'd rather have more failure than admit that they failed in the first place, essentially.
	And that's why all the same errors are on the table again.
	I mean, we've got a bunch of schools here in the D.C.
	area closing again.
	Prince George's County closed basically for the month of January.
	It's unbelievable.
	They've learned nothing.
	They learned nothing.
	And today Muriel Bowes declared another emergency in Washington, D.C.
	Mask mandates are back.
	It's not going to stop anything.
	We need sanity to prevail.
	At least get reliable information from sources you can depend upon.
	Follow this man right now on Twitter.
	From the very beginning, he's been our source of unbiased truth.
	It is at Kirpin.
	Phil Kirpin on Twitter at K-E-R-P-E-N.
	God bless you, Phil.
	Have a wonderful, wonderful Christmas.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	you We have.
	We've used it in the past.
	It's probably here somewhere.
	It's gotta be there somewhere.
	It's just not... Because Leroy did a lot of it, I remember.
	Anything that's right available, I'm gonna have to pull it from somewhere else and bring it in.
	Yeah, I'm sure it's in one of those files.
	There has to be.
	There's just no way.
	Unless it got cleaned out last time.
	I don't think we did it last year because we were too busy planning for January 6th.
	But you were texting me that way.
	You were texting me those plans.
	I was the one that texted, everyone leave their guns at home.
	That was you?
	Yeah.
	I want to know who did that.
	Was that the machine guns or the explosives?
	I just want to know.
	Oh, I didn't mention Zacky Poo!
	How did I not mention Zacky Poo?
	I couldn't find out that thing he wrote.
	That like one paragraph hit piece?
	Yeah.
	Embarrassing.
	And he left out the mention of my parking.
	He always does this deep thing about how I park on sidewalks.
	Is he the guy that wrote about it?
	I remember seeing it.
	They what?
	No, he picked it up.
	He picked it up.
	What?
	Something hit the undercarriage of my car, right?
	Really loud as I was going around a roundabout near Arlington Bridge.
	And so I thought, what did my muffler just fall off?
	It's a new car.
	So there was nowhere to park because it's a roundabout.
	So I went up onto the sidewalk.
	Some asshole photographs me and then, oh, the random parker.
	Hater of pedestrians.
	With more journalism in his little finger than CNN has on its entire network, Sebastian Gorka.
	Thank you, Deep Voice Dave!
	I almost forgot to mention, who's the guy with the squeaky voice?
	You know, Eric, what's his name?
	I call him Zachypoo.
	Zach Patrizio!
	Oh, that's good!
	Is that Zachy?
	Zach Patrizio!
	He wrote this attempted-to-hit piece after my Turning Point speech yesterday.
	Sorry, it's just so funny.
	And he lied!
	He lied in this bit!
	Well, of course he lied.
	It's the Daily Beast.
	And he said, we contacted Gawker.
	We contacted Gawker!
	And he didn't comment.
	Dude!
	As soon as you emailed me, I replied.
	Here's my comment, Zaky Poo.
	And I put it in quotes.
	Is your voice so squeaky still?
	And have you given your mother her phone back yet?
	You didn't put it in the article!
	It's not I didn't comment, I did comment!
	Why did you leave that out?
	I know it's the Daily Beast, but do you have no, not one scintilla of moral fiber?
	Just a little soupçon?
	A little nanoparticle of morality?
	Or is your voice too squeaky to allow you to do that?
	I don't do impersonations, but Eric is much better than me.
	Eric, what's that guy's name again?
	Zach Patriso!
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	That is wonderful.
	I'm sorry.
	We're going to do some liners.
	Eric is going to get into the liner business, because that is just too good.
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	The most popular shirt right now is the one with the president.
	When he came on the show, he made it for that interview.
	If you're woke, you're a loser.
	But we've got the Let's Go Brandon gear.
	We've got the t-shirts, the hats, the yard signs.
	We've got the Kyle Rittenhouse.
	He spoke after me!
	A turning point.
	Wow, what a barnstormer.
	The t-shirt is Kyle with his AR-15 and it says, this is what the Second Amendment looks like.
	That's not how Zaki talks.
	This is not Zachy Patrizio, most definitely.
	He could never talk like this because he's anatomically challenged in that way.
	You need to have certain anatomical aspects to be able to talk like this.
	And little Zachy, let's actually post this segment and I'm going to post it.
	I'm going to send it to little Zachy Poo so he can know what a man actually sounds like who owns his own phone.
	Oh, by the way, My phone will no longer be connected to Verizon because they're a bunch of cowards.
	Today, everything, not just our work phone, my personal phone, my kids' phones, my wife's phone, will be connected to Patriot Mobile.
	Yes, the only conservative Christian cell phone.
	This is fun.
	I'm gonna talk like... This is the anti-Zacky Poo Patrizio voice.
	I may do three hours like this and then ask him if he can do 33 seconds in a man's voice.
	I know the answer.
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	The End
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	of a But can you imagine having his beat?
	I mean, just the gawker beat.
	And that's the best you can do.
	Why did he flip though?
	I know, I'd love to know why.
	I thought he was interviewing someone, Joe Pags, making fun of liberals that talk about toxic masculinity.
	Are you serious?
	Yes.
	Oh yeah, he used to be a, quote unquote, conservative.
	Well, I know he was a college blah blah whatever, conservative.
	But can you send me that Pags thing?
	I gotta find it.
	Oh, we gotta do the, did I miss it?
	Oh no, you're gonna do it for tomorrow.
	Gotta do the, um...
	That's the golf thing.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Oh, shoot.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	There's no rehearsal.
	Do we have promo for tomorrow?
	Promo?
	No.
	Okay.
	No promo.
	Who should we ask tomorrow?
	Oh, oh. oh.
	Who should we ask tomorrow?
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	If I were a betting person right now, I'd say Trump is gonna run again.
	I mean, he seems to be setting himself up to do that, and if he's not held accountable, then he gets to do it again.
	I think that could be the end of our democracy.
	Not to be too, you know, pointed about it, but I want people to understand that this is a make-or-break point.
	If he were, or someone of his ilk, Quite truly stunning.
	Hillary Clinton saying, if President Trump were re-elected, that would be the threat to American democracy like none other.
	will not recognize our country.
	Quite truly stunning.
	Hillary Clinton saying if President Trump were reelected, that would be the threat to American democracy like none other.
	Not, for example, her purchasing of Russian smear material used against the president's campaign to unleash the FBI, the CIA and the NSA.
	No, not the deep sexing of 35,000 emails, many of them classified.
	No, none of that is a threat.
	The democratic process in our republic and the re-election of a president is the threat.
	I know somebody who thinks a little bit differently on that issue.
	Welcome, dear friends, to America First one-on-one with me, your host, Sebastian Gorka, and we are joined today, we are delighted, a good friend of America First, chair of the Republican National Lawyers Association and founder and CEO of the Center for American Liberty.
	Harmeet Dhillon, welcome back.
	Thanks, happy to be here.
	I want everybody to have the chance, because you've been on our show, you are a well-known personality on TV, but I want you to introduce yourself to our millions of listeners across the nation.
	But first, if I may, would you be so kind as to react to that little clip from Hillary's interview of last week?
	Well, this American doesn't recognize America right now.
	So I'd say that the average American is the one that's under attack from the extreme left policies that Joe Biden is forcing down our throats and just the sheer incompetence.
	I think a lot of Americans right now, if they didn't vote for President Trump for re-election last year, they regret that and they wish they could have a do-over.
	And so, you know, when you listen carefully to Hillary, she's not just saying President Trump, she's saying Trump or some of his ilk.
	So what she's really saying Is if you vote for a Republican, it'll be the end of the world.
	And I don't think that rhetoric is really helpful or particularly convincing.
	Well, when you look at the election last year, you have been a staunch fighter for election integrity.
	Give us a little update from where you are in California.
	How have things improved or remained in stasis in the last 11 months since the inauguration and the election?
	I'd say the only good news we have here in California is that we took back four seats in the House that we had lost in the midterm elections in 2018, and that was through, you know, the sheer hard work of
	You know people all over the nation really supporting us But other than that the quality of life has gone down significantly in California cities people are fleeing, California Crime is way up Quality of living is down the cost of gas is five dollars a gallon throughout the state and even higher in some places and so overall I think California is really a poster child for what could go wrong and
	If the types of liberal policies that Nancy Pelosi, Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsom, Dianne Feinstein, and their ilk have forced on my city, San Francisco, and the whole state, if they're allowed to infect the whole country, you will all be living in the state of misery that we live in here in California.
	Many have said it before that the way California goes, that way goes the rest of America.
	We'll talk about San Francisco later in the recent, the starting statement by London Breed, the mayor of San Francisco.
	But first, for those who aren't familiar with your story, your background, will you tell us your background, family background, where you came from and how you ended up being the founder and the CEO of the center and doing the work you do for the Republican Party and for election integrity?
	Well, sure.
	Thanks for asking, Sebastian.
	I'm an immigrant to this country.
	My father came here with his whole family, my mom and my brother, in the early 1970s.
	During the Vietnam War, there was a shortage of physicians throughout the country, and America invited well-trained doctors from abroad.
	So, started out in the Bronx, like so many American families, and, you know, my dad finished his medical residency there, and then we moved to the rural South, where there was a need for orthopedic surgeons like my dad, and I grew up in A rural community called Smithfield, North Carolina, in the heart of tobacco country.
	Uh, it was a, you know, yellow dog Democrat country at the time.
	And, uh, you know, during the time that we lived there, when my parents became citizens, they registered as Republicans because the Republican party was the party of freeing the slaves of ending segregation and of really economic opportunity for people like my parents.
	And so they're very proud Republicans.
	And, you know, when I was a young kid, my mom was a volunteer wearing her sari, her Indian dress, uh, as a Republican poll watcher.
	in the deep south to make sure that democrat property owners didn't vote for They're uneducated sharecropper and other workers in the field so that was kind of my background.
	We grew up when I was a kid during the gas shortages of the Jimmy Carter era and having to wait in line to fill your tank every other day and ninety percent marginal capital gains tax and stagflation and we would talk about these issues around the dinner table.
	My dad is a small business owner would tell us why he was voting Republican, why he was voting for those policies to change and so That's the background when I went to Dartmouth College at the age of 16, where I met friends there who were involved in the Dartmouth Review newspaper.
	My predecessors at Dartmouth Review had been Laura Ingram and Dinesh D'Souza, so I got to be, as a teenager, influenced by some of the great conservative activists of our time.
	And, you know, I never looked back, so I've been a conservative activist since I was a teenager.
	I supported Jack Kemp for president in 1988 as my first political campaign I worked on.
	I worked at Heritage Foundation in Washington for a year and then I decided instead of being a journalist I'd like to actually affect the change in our country and be a lawyer.
	So now I'm nearing the end of my third decade as a lawyer and throughout that time I've been active in civil rights issues on behalf of people of faith in our country, all different faiths.
	On behalf of civil rights in our country, dating back to my opposition to the Patriot Act, which I think now a lot of Republicans 20 years later realize was really the first step into a police state and surveillance state that is incredibly disturbing that we are seeing deployed right now on the January 6th protesters and on simply supporters of President Trump.
	And a few years ago, I realized that, you know, just doing all of this work pro bono really limited It to being me who was doing it.
	So I founded the Center for American Liberty to help raise money from the public to fund litigation that existing conservative and liberal nonprofits were not doing.
	People were not supporting things like, you know, parents whose kids were being, you know, sort of brainwashed in the schools, people who are suffering from government tyranny.
	Most of the conservative nonprofits are focused on Making the world safer for corporations, quite frankly.
	The United States Constitution doesn't say, we the multinational corporations.
	It says, we the people.
	It's been an honor the last three years to raise those funds.
	It happened right before COVID.
	During the last three years, we started this nonprofit and then COVID hit.
	We weren't planning.
	We didn't know COVID was going to happen.
	But our nonprofit filed 17 lawsuits against governors throughout the United States to challenge overweening COVID restrictions, including but not limited to opening up the beaches of California, opening up the businesses, making sure that children were allowed to go to school, not through Zoom classes, but through real school where they could actually learn, and on and on.
	And three of those cases succeeded at the United States Supreme Court this year.
	So that's my public type of work that I do.
	In a total parallel track, I've been a Republican lawyer activist in favor of electing Republicans to office throughout the United States, and I've been active as a volunteer and a professional lawyer in election-related matters.
	I became a member of the Republican National Committee, one of California's three representatives, five years ago.
	And in that capacity, I played a very active role in the 2016 election for President Trump, the 2020 election.
	And I filed dozens of lawsuits throughout the country over the years on different cases involving the right of access to the ballot of citizens, the right of Republican candidates to be allowed on the ballot, like President Trump in the 2020 election, like Larry Elder in our recall election recently.
	And I think it is so important.
	And so I would say for the next coming year, I was just having this conversation earlier today with some Republican lawyer friends of mine.
	This is an existential moment for the future of our country.
	And the Democrats view it as the same.
	They're pushing a narrative that Mark Elias and the tens of millions of dollars of slush fund that he has is necessary to stop Republicans from taking back the House and winning back the White House and we have the opposite problem.
	We must take back the House and stop this disastrous government in 2022.
	We must take back and hold the Senate and we must take back the White House in 2024 or America as we know it and as my parents brought me to as a small child in the early 1970s will cease to exist.
	Couldn't have said it better myself.
	That's why she is so needed and requested across the nation.
	You see her on TV almost every single day.
	Please follow her on Twitter at PNJABAN and support her organization, the Center for American Liberty.
	She is the chair for the Republican National Lawyers Association.
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	Hamid, I want to talk about the fight against those who wish to criminalize people who politically disagree with them.
	But I have to ask, given the story that you shared with us, I love hearing these back stories of your family, your immigration here.
	They're registering, your parents registering as Republicans once they were naturalized in your activities.
	What was it like for your parents as immigrants here choosing the Republican Party?
	How did the people around them react?
	And how was it for you as an avowed conservative in all places like Dartmouth?
	Well, on your first question, my parents, you know, didn't know much about Americans, different communities.
	What they did know is that when we landed up in the Bronx, where my dad was finishing his medical residency in orthopedics, one of the fine institutions there, it was actually an institution that was managed and run by a lot of Orthodox Jews.
	So for me, growing up in the Bronx as a small child, when I went to preschool, I thought everybody's dad wore, you know, something on their head and they had a beard.
	And, you know, My dad wears a turban, and he has a beard.
	It was a bit of a culture shock to then begin second grade in rural North Carolina.
	My parents didn't know what the Ku Klux Klan was, but the Ku Klux Klan was very much active in the rural South in the 1970s.
	In fact, it was a civic organization listed on the Welcome to Smithfield, North Carolina sign on Highway 95.
	Just like the Methodist Church, the Baptist Church, the Lions Club, the Rotary Club, the Klan was an open and proud civic organization there.
	They didn't know that, but we learned about it pretty fast.
	I mean, there were threatened cross burnings and cross burnings still in the South at that time.
	My parents quickly got the picture that the people who were doing that were the Democrats.
	They weren't the Republicans.
	They somehow got introduced to Senator Jesse Helms, who was a Republican senator who actually cared a lot about religious liberties, which was an issue dear to my family's heart as a religious minority in India.
	We are part of the Sikh community.
	They became good friends with Senator Helms, held many fundraisers for him.
	And really were among the first Indian Americans that I knew who actually got involved in politics and understood the importance of not just sort of phoning it in and letting the next generation worry about it, but if you care about your community, getting involved and doing what you can to change it.
	So I grew up in a North Carolina that changed.
	From Democrat to Republican.
	And it was really pretty fascinating to have a front row seat and listen to talk to politicians as a kid about those issues.
	And that's the American dream, really, to come here with no money in your pocket, your kids and small kids, and send them to public schools.
	I went to public school pretty much throughout my education before I went to college.
	And, um, you know, it was, it was challenging.
	I would say we did experience racism.
	Um, there would be some patients who came to the hospital who did not want my dad wearing a turban to treat them.
	They would have to go.
	He was the only orthopedic surgeon in the County.
	They would have to get back in the ambulance and go to the next County.
	Um, you know, so I do sympathize when I hear stories of racism in our country, it has existed in recent history and it does exist for some.
	And so we have to acknowledge that as Republicans, but we're really the ones who can be the solution to that.
	I think by offering.
	Opportunity and equality.
	You never hear me or my family, you know, complaining about how that's a structural barrier to success.
	I feel like I've been successful in my career and so has my family and my brother who wears a turban.
	And so, you know, our faith is actually what helps us be successful, not an impediment to that.
	And so, you know, those are my values from childhood, praying together, Every day, eating together as a family, talking about cultural issues and matters, limited amount of television.
	That was something that my mom thought was important as well, one hour a day.
	Wise lady, wise lady.
	I blew my one hour on 60 Minutes on Sundays.
	You know, I was a nerd and I read a lot of books.
	And so when I see young kids today, it's all, you know, Instagram and TikTok, and it's not really very, frankly, educationally fulfilling.
	And that's why you get such low information voters.
	And so, you know, fast forward to Dartmouth, you know, even whatever the flaws were of the South, everybody was polite to your face and, you know, said sir and ma'am and had good manners.
	And I just remember moving into my dormitory at Dartmouth, There was one of the few all-girls dormitories then.
	I think those are now eliminated.
	But, you know, somebody let the door slam in my face in front of me.
	It was a guy.
	And I wrote a letter to the editor.
	I was 16.
	And I said, you know, this is, you Yankees have very bad manners.
	And the paper happened to be the Dartmouth Review.
	I did not realize it was not the mainstream paper of the college.
	It was the alternative paper of the college.
	They invited me to become a writer for the paper and the rest is history.
	If I hadn't had that guy slam the door in my face, I might be a very different person today.
	That's fabulous.
	Now I understand your warrior spirit.
	I've always had the utmost respect for the Sikhs of India and their warrior ethos.
	That explains a lot.
	We're talking to Harmeet Dhillon.
	Harmeet, let me jump straight in here.
	You mentioned January 6th.
	We've got everything that's happening with the National Association of School Boards.
	Are we witnessing an attempt in the last 11 months to criminalize conservatism?
	Oh yes, and we've been seeing that for some time.
	I think we've been seeing it since before President Trump was elected.
	The seeds of the deep state conspiracy against not just him, but people who enter public service to support him in the White House has been really stunning and shocking to me and I think many other Americans.
	It was actually relatively easy to convert.
	People in the FBI to really betray their oath to make up and forge documents, alter documents, lie to a secret court, and conspire against the White House.
	Now looking back, I see that that rot must have been there for many years, but the average American doesn't interact with the FBI or the Department of Justice.
	What I saw as a lawyer who was a member of the Republican National Committee and, you know, sort of dealing with the whole transition process as a volunteer and observer, I saw how rapidly even the so-called conservatives in D.C. really sort I saw how rapidly even the so-called conservatives in D.C. really sort of took over the process and placed their own people
	So there really is, when you hear the term uniparty, even though there are Republicans staffing the DOJ or Democrats staffing the DOJ, I could tell you so many stories of conversations I had about people like Rod Rosenstein, who, you know, the sort of intellectual class of D.C.
	Republican lawyers would say, what a wonderful person he was, above reproach, beyond reproach, et cetera, et cetera.
	James Comey, same thing.
	I think in retrospect, you don't hear a lot of that anymore.
	You don't hear a lot of defense of that because those people were completely wrong.
	What was needed was not just Donald Trump to come in from outside and clean things up, But everybody in the White House and everybody around him.
	So that was a failure of the transition, was to allow the usual suspects to populate the government.
	And we suffered from that throughout, and that ultimately may have led to the results in the election in 2020.
	We're talking to Hartmeet Dhillon, chair of the Republican National Lawyers Association and founder and CEO of the Center for American Liberty.
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	I think you've got to have a slash in there somewhere.
	And she fights for the truth.
	We've got to talk about last year's election.
	The big question at the beginning, I ask as we set the stage, who dropped the ball?
	When President Trump in office says the idea of mailing out unbidden 80 million mail-in ballots is how you undermine an election, he was right.
	Who should have defended against that?
	Was it the GOP?
	The RNC?
	Should it have been the local legislatures?
	Is there a locus?
	Is there a focal point for responsibility in just how shoddily the last election was exploited?
	Well, Sebastian, you know, you're asking me to indict a lot of, you know, people with that question.
	And I'd like to also... I'm asking where's the most important place to fix it.
	I'd like to also have friends and a job after I leave this stage here.
	Let's make it less pejorative.
	Where is the place where we fix it first?
	So let me first start by saying, not like who dropped the ball, but where was the die cast?
	And I think China cast the die of the results of the 2020 election with COVID.
	I believe, like many others believe, that this was not some sort of a freak accident.
	This was a virus that was intended for malevolent purposes that has in fact had malevolent results on our country and the world.
	And so that enabled Democrats to rapidly put into place their playbook, which they have wanted for years.
	The elements of what we call HR one, the Nancy Pelosi attempt to make America California, that dates back.
	I mean, Chuck Schumer has been pushing that agenda ever since he's been in Congress.
	You know, so 20 years they've been trying to put this mail-in balloting, loosen up the restrictions and all of that, and they finally got a chance to do that, and so with disastrous results.
	And so I think that's how a foreign power takes over and corrupts our infrastructure here in America.
	but as to who, there are all kinds of complicated campaign finance reasons I could bore you with, but there's hard money and there's soft money.
	And the Republican National Committee has certain limitations as to what they can raise and how they can spend it and how they coordinate.
	Presidential campaigns can raise and spend a lot of money.
	And so I think a lot of money was raised and I think some of that money was spent, some of it was not spent.
	But as important as how much you spend is who you spend it with and who are the lawyers you select To do that work, and so I would say that like I said before with respect to the people who staff the administration Those same people are also kind of the lawyers who?
	Were selected because they're the usual people who get the jobs you get the big you know contracts from our NRCC, NRSC, RLC, RNC, these organizations, these alphabet soup organizations, hand out contracts to their friends, and those friends let us down in the 2020 election.
	So the lawyers were not the best, in my opinion.
	I'm sure President Trump, I know he shares that view.
	And they did not make the not just the after the fact election.
	That's what all of us see.
	And that's what Democrats mock us for the attempts to fix things after the fact.
	But the work needed to have been done starting years earlier.
	And Democrats did quietly do it years earlier.
	Mark Elias was quietly.
	with the help of tens of millions of dollars of dark money funding, quietly undermining our democracy in ways that Republicans never noticed.
	And Republican legislatures and Republican county elections officials in red states were very happy to take this mystery cash, like kids who are being handed a lollipop by a stranger, Hundreds of millions worth.
	Hundreds of millions of Zucker bucks.
	I mean, Idaho, Utah, you know, like Georgia, certainly even all over the country.
	People took this cash.
	Nobody knew what it was.
	It was poison.
	It was accompanied with contracts.
	Those contracts required election officials to basically turn over our elections to non-profit activists.
	That was disastrous.
	But that did not happen at the RNC, contrary to all the defamation I see by some conservative activists of the RNC.
	It happened at the local level by thousands of people who should have known better and betrayed the public trust.
	They didn't do their jobs, and I'm afraid some of them are going to do it again.
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	Let's stay specifically on this issue from the point of the Constitution and just our rights as individuals devoid of whatever happened in the election.
	I am saddened as a fellow immigrant That a nation I believe was founded truly on rugged individualism on, you know, a breed of individual who went out into the wilderness and settled, you know, dangerous parts of the West that we've been cowed that, you know, the odd story of a restaurant owner in California or a bar owner in New Jersey where the outliers and Americans didn't say, no, you're not closing down my business.
	You're not making it impossible for my employees to feed themselves.
	Will you talk to us about the How concerned you are, not just masks and mandates, but in general, at the level of ignorance or willingness to stand up for our civil rights under the conditions of COVID, Hamid?
	So I don't think I've had a good night's sleep since March of 2020 when I heard about shutdown starting.
	I think that it has been in crisis mode.
	It's in crisis mode right now.
	I'll tell you that.
	For every American I'm able to help at my law firm and my nonprofit, there are literally a hundred who ask me for help, and I don't have enough hours in the day to do it.
	It's been 18-hour days since the beginning of COVID.
	And the reason that I am working so hard like a one-armed paper hanger is that there are very few conservative civil rights lawyers in the United States.
	Why?
	Well, when you get out of law school, you know, all your cronies at the Federalist Society, and I say that as the former president of the largest Federalist Society chapter in America, University of Virginia Law School, they all want to go into big law, make millions of dollars serving napalm and asbestos manufacturers and making the world safe for, you know, polluters, and not actually sort of changing America for the better through the courts.
	And the left is the opposite.
	The best of the brightest of the liberal elites They go into nonprofits.
	They go into the government.
	They go into actually implementing their ideals.
	I'm just talking about them at cocktail parties, you know, once a month.
	And so we don't have that.
	I happen to love it as an American citizen, an immigrant.
	I love my country.
	And so throughout my entire career, I've always done civil rights work.
	And I'll tell you, it was very lonely opposing the Patriot Act in 2020.
	It was kind of very lonely at the beginning of COVID because a lot of conservative law, you didn't hear a peep From all those intellectuals in DC and around the country, they quietly, with their big law jobs, went home.
	Someone was going to pay them anyway.
	They didn't really care how the janitor was going to get fed.
	They didn't really care how the nail salon lady was going to feed her children.
	It was okay for them, and so it was okay.
	But for me, You know, I was one of the few lawyers who was doing this work even before COVID, so I began to get the phone calls and they were heartbreaking.
	And people were asking me legal advice.
	What if I do nails out of the back of my thing so I can feed my children?
	How am I going to feed my children?
	And, you know, can I do that?
	And things like that.
	And so we assembled a team of lawyers at my firm and outside, and we just began filing lawsuits against the governor based on what we believe were constitutional limitations on California's governor's emergency authority.
	We got a variety of judges, Sebastian, Republican and Democrat.
	The Republican judges were no better than the Democrat judges.
	To a man, and occasionally a woman, but mainly to a man, every single one of the first level of my COVID challenges was denied by the courts.
	Then we went to the Ninth Circuit, we went to other courts of appeals, and eventually we started winning these cases.
	Some of them had to go all the way up to the United States Supreme Court.
	I'll tell you in retrospect, and we're still fighting now, I'm representing the Daily Wire in challenging the president's OSHA mandates, which are failing pretty badly at the box office, as Arnold Schwarzenegger would say.
	But what we found was that it was really only in the very narrow area of the rights of religious liberty that even our United States Supreme Court justices were willing to say, this is too much.
	The government cannot allow marijuana stores and big box retailers and the government itself to operate but say that religion is not essential.
	Can you tell us why that tiny sliver is the only thing that the conservatives on the Supreme Court stood up for?
	Is there an explanation, Harmeet?
	Is it a lack of courage?
	It's a very boring explanation that has to do with the evolution of the First Amendment jurisprudence on even religious liberty has been a second-class citizen in First Amendment jurisprudence.
	For ever since Justice Scalia of all people in an employment case said that it was okay for the government to fire a Native American who had used peyote as part of his religious ritual, dictated by his faith because it was a facially neutral rule.
	That's the Smith case.
	And so that dates back to when I was in law school, like more than 30 years ago.
	And that case has really put religion in a second class status.
	The other rights, what I'm telling Americans today, now that we have the vaccine issues and vaccine mandates, literally every day, at least 100 people try to contact me What I have to tell them is, Republicans and Democrats, since way before COVID, have made the world safe for American corporations to fire you for whatever reason they want, including forcing you to take a drug that you don't want to take.
	So vaccination mandates have been legal under federal law and most state laws since way before COVID.
	And if you don't like that, you have to change that politically.
	The courts are not going to step in and legislate.
	So I think Americans, and that has to be at the congressional level for most Americans, for Americans, For example, the EEOC says it's legal for employers to require vaccination well before COVID.
	So if we don't like that, we can change that when we get back to the White House, the Senate and the House.
	And we have a president who is well advised and isn't just advised by a bunch of corporate shills who are feathering their resumes and then going back to big law afterwards.
	He needs lawyers who care.
	He or she needs lawyers who care about The future of this country and about we the people, not we the corporations.
	Now I run a corporation.
	You, you know, work with a corporation.
	I appreciate that we need corporations.
	Corporations need liability protection.
	But it doesn't mean that corporations should be allowed to force us to put things into our bodies as a new condition of employment that we didn't sign up for in order for us to be able to feed our families.
	I think that's wrong.
	You have opened so many... This is an incredible discussion.
	I know you're short on time.
	I have to ask you two more questions.
	First things first.
	Hamid, you said earlier something fascinating.
	You said the different cultures that exist between conservative lawyers and liberal lawyers.
	The Federalist Society, they want to get their big bucks, their big corporate jobs, but Democrats will do the grunt work at foundations, will fight for civil law issues and civil rights issues.
	Why is that and how do you fix that?
	Because that seems to be a cultural issue.
	Where does that stem from?
	Because we as conservatives can't get to where we want to be if that personally driven greed is what defines the future of law on our side.
	Well, so I'll tell you this, if you're an intelligent Ivy League or other good school graduate, you have a lot of choices.
	If you're really solely about greed, you go into finance, you go into VC investing, you go into Wall Street, or now maybe you go into crypto, I don't know, or you go into startup companies or whatever, but you don't do law.
	If you're a lawyer, you're kind of conflicted.
	you know you you have some intellectual pretensions and you know desire for the truth and higher principles and all of that but you kind of also want to do pretty well for yourself and be respected
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	you you you you you you you a lot of people think they have no role to play whether it's in cleaning up election rolls whether it's making sure the republic functions properly how How flawed is that thinking, that I'm just a regular person and I have no role to play, Hamid?
	I have a few suggestions.
	Number one, don't sit on your butt and get all of your information from Twitter or from Fox or CNN or television.
	Get out there and talk to other human beings.
	Don't be scared.
	Get involved at the local level.
	That's how I ultimately became a member of the Republican National Committee is I was fed up here in San Francisco.
	I lived here because of my job.
	I decided to volunteer for the Bush campaign in the early 2000s and I got involved in the local county party.
	I helped register voters and convince them to become Republicans when they became United States citizens at the citizens swearing-in ceremonies.
	I helped walk precincts for candidates.
	I helped volunteer for political parties and all that.
	Get involved at whatever one hour a week, 10 hours a week, 40 hours a week that you can do in your role.
	One of the most destructive things for us, Sebastian, in the last election was that some Republicans believed the hype that their vote wasn't going to count.
	And I don't know if the left fanned that.
	Certainly the right fanned it.
	And now today people are saying it.
	I saw it in our recall election.
	Republican voter turnout was lower because of our own rhetoric.
	That's a shame.
	People should stop saying that.
	It's outrageous and they should stop defeating our own efforts.
	I think that everybody can get involved at that local level and do something consistent with their time.
	and energy and availability.
	Convince your neighbors.
	One more thing I would say is I think that we saw in the Glenn Youngkin campaign in Virginia recently, how powerful the voice of American parents can be.
	That's not a political issue.
	Both Democrats and Republicans, normal people care about their children.
	And the school boards have quietly been a place where the left goes to get the training to then run for other offices.
	So there are the most malevolent Democrat totalitarians in waiting.
	who are running our American school boards.
	We can replace them very easily.
	It takes a few thousand dollars, a knocks on some doors and some friends to overthrow a school board.
	That should be the Republican goal and the conservative goal and the goal of even non-conservatives.
	Take over America's school boards is the first step.
	And I think that anybody can get involved in a local school board race There are non-partisan throughout the United States, and it's an easy way to take control at the local level.
	Show up and have your voice be counted.
	If you're too cynical to think that Republican versus Democrat is going to be any different, and I understand that, because when Republicans had the White House, the Senate, and the House in 2017, 2018, we did not move the needle like you should have.
	You can still move the needle in your community and make sure that pernicious gender identity issues and Marxism does not come to your home and into your children's minds.
	Go to gawker.locals.com.
	Check out our new community, gawker.locals.com.
	We are going to have her back, because that went far too far too quickly.
	In the meantime, follow her on her Twitter feed.
	Follow her at P-N-J-A-B-A-N.
	Although, that's not where you must get all your information, as she said.
	And please support her organization, the Center for American Liberty.
	She is the chair of the Republican National Lawyers Association.
	God bless you.
	Keep doing what you do.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	You've been listening to One on 1 wherever you are.
	Keep your head on a swivel.
	Watch your six.
	Hold the line.
	Never give up.
	Never give in.

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